Legal Analyst Bill Sheaffer on Casey Anthony Case

Witness for the Prosecution or Fall Guy for the Defense?

Posted in Latest Posts by William J. Sheaffer on November 24, 2009

Attorney Bill SheafferFor Scotswoman and other contributors who have asked about Andrea Lyon, and what is behind her shenanigans and pre-trial publicity seeking escapades:  To look behind the curtain, or, to see how sausage is made, as some call it, is often not very pleasant and sometimes downright ugly.  Such is the case with the recent release of the “teaching” tape made of Chicago law school instructor and attorney, Andrea Lyon’s lecture to Central Florida lawyers on the topic of defending death penalty cases during the penalty phase.

At this juncture, we will not address her distasteful and offensive remarks pertaining to judges, female prosecutors or jurors, but, instead, limit our discussion to a particular statement made by her that cornerstones the latest defense strategy that can only be described as a scorched earth approach.  Ms. Lyon’s approach, which has been adopted by Baez, Baden and company, disregards any consideration other than win at ANY cost, regardless of the truth, or consequence to  justice, the fair trial process or any innocent party ground under their boots.

Accordingly, let us now examine her statement as follows: “I understand that a lot of times our theory of the case isn’t a real theory.  Okay, it’s a way of us getting to the penalty phase.”  And contained in her words lies the fate of witness Roy Kronk.  He is only the latest victim of this scorched earth approach by the Casey defense team, but I suspect, not the last.

Looking behind the curtain to what this means:  Andrea Lyon has a job.  That  job, as she sees it, is to save her from the death penalty, should Casey Anthony get convicted in the guilt phase of her trial, and, to do whatever is necessary to accomplish this, regardless.  To comprehend this philosophy one must understand that there are lawyers that are so opposed to the death penalty, just as many non-lawyers are, that the ends justify the means.  Period.

I must ask that you not judge all criminal defense lawyers by the conduct of Ms. Lyons.  Most are competent, hardworking and passionate defenders who do not share this view of win at any cost, but still represent their clients with vigor, creativity and compassion, while preserving the integrity of our judicial system and not creating fall guys and ruining the lives of innocent everyday people.

But back to what this all means:  quite simply, the defense would sacrifice Roy Kronk, the meter reader, during the penalty phase when they argue that a compelling reason not to impose the death penalty is the reasonable doubt created by the implication that he is the killer of little girl Caylee.  A horrifying thought for anyone caught up in the criminal justice system as a witness or search volunteer.  And, will it end with a verdict in this trial?  Well, if I were Mr. Baez, I might be asking myself, when his job is done and all appeals have been exhausted, will I be next?

WJS

P.S.  To the many who have asked for the certification dates on the defense’s recently filed motion in limine and memorandum of law in support,  the motion and memorandum were certified to have been furnished by Jose A. Baez, to the Office of the State Attorney by U.S. Mail and/or  facsimile on November 18, 2009. But, both the motion AND the memorandum were signed as submitted by Jose A. Baez and Andrea D. Lyon, again, on November 18, 2009.

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  1. yankee said, on November 24, 2009 at 11:38 am

    Mr. Sheaffer you are so wise. I agree with you not all lawyers feel this way. I think Lyons is sorry that this tape surfaced. It shows here true colors which are not pretty in any fashion. I also agree Baez best be thinking when all is said and done could he be next. And how dare this woman talk as if the great people of FL are fools. They will see the evidence. And the defense needs to get use to the idea that they need more than 6 jurors to believe them and not the evidence from the state. IMO it will never happen. I do have a question: Can the judge ask that Lyons step aside from this case in light of the recent recordings?

  2. Gahoundawg said, on November 24, 2009 at 11:41 am

    Very well Stated. And we will TRY not to lump all Defense attorneys in with the likes of these disgusting, immoral, selfish clowns.

  3. Kim said, on November 24, 2009 at 11:44 am

    I think there should be several people asking if they are going to be next. I am fairly certain most people that ever met Ms Anthony now rue that day

  4. Gahoundawg said, on November 24, 2009 at 11:44 am

    but instead limit our discussion to a particular statement made by her that cornerstones the latest defense strategy that can only be described as a scorched earth approach. Ms. Lyon’s approach, which has been adopted by Baez, Baden and company disregards any consideration other than win at ANY cost, regardless of the truth or consequence to justice, the fair trial process or any innocent party ground under their boots.
    ———————————————
    STAAAAAAAAAMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ….and everyone wonders why there are Lawyer jokes.

  5. MeMe said, on November 24, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Very well stated, Mr. Sheaffer! I was truly appaled by A. Lyons statements.

  6. Gahoundawg said, on November 24, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Can we PLEASE get on to accusing CINDY? Pretty please?

  7. azrenee said, on November 24, 2009 at 11:48 am

    The innapropriate comments on that tape, are more a statement as to her personal bias and prejudice than anything else. Her humor did not get laughs as often as she wanted, she had to prod the audience for recognition often. I understand her theory, do anything for the client etc etc. The problem is, in a court of law is different than on national tv shows. The next time they complain they do not have time..time ..time for all their hard work, I would like the state to point out the travel time and media time they have spent on this case. The latest interview with Pippitone is interesting. Baden makes the statement that Casey made a very very stupid mistake not reporting her daughter missing…Baez claims there is a very compelling reason why 31 days of partying was recorded. Seems the seams of this team are raveling a bit, and Lyons is ONLY concerned with removing the death penalty, comparing her to Ted Bundy, etc. Interesting to see how this will proceed. Bill, can the defense continue to slam LE and the state and make statements that they have no case therefore bad faith using the DP? Seems they would be restricted in some of what they say.

  8. Joe Schmo said, on November 24, 2009 at 11:50 am

    I love the way that Attorney Lyon loves to emphasize the fact, as she states it, that “the state of Florida is trying to ‘kill’ Casey Anthony,” as if implying that somehow Casey’s potential (& likely) death penalty will somehow be a random, undeserved, unjustified murder.

    Yet, you never hear, neither she, nor anyone else on Casey’s defense team use the same word, ‘kill’ to show what Casey is accused of doing to her own, precious, defenseless, innocent, TODDLER, FLESH-AND-BLOOD, DAUGHTER, Caylee Marie!

    Anybody else notice this useless tactic Attorney Lyon keeps trying to use? I say trying, because it ain’t gonna help Casey one bit at her murder trial.

    The people of the state of Florida have already determined via state statutes that it’s legal for a jury to ‘kill’ someone, whose killed another, INNOCENT HUMAN BEING in an especially heinous, atrocious, & cruel way, as Casey is ‘accused’ of KILLING LITTLE CAYLEE MARIE!!

    “Psst Attorney Lyon, newsflash, not all 1st Degree Murderers get the Death Penalty,” “In fact most, DON’T GET IT!!”

    Also, as far as Attorney Lyon goes, that woman has never impressed me. I personally think & have always thought, that her bark was much, much bigger than her bite. She may be a successful ‘never-had-a-capital-offense-client-get-the-death-penalty,’ lawyer up in VERY LIBERAL Illinois.

    However, just in hearing/reading these ‘remarks’ she’s made, how I believe she views & treats jurors AND strategizes for her capital murder trials, that what may have worked for her in the corrupt Illinois state justice system, just ain’t gonna work down here in Florida.

    See, I’ve lived down here over 30 years, and although the Florida justice system is far from perfect, down here,

    ‘WE FRY OUR TED BUNDYS!!’

    Nuff Said!!
    Joe

  9. TJ said, on November 24, 2009 at 11:51 am

    Scorched earth policy…and the Law School that employs Ms. Lyons actually ALLOWS AND AGREES with that? Remember that she paints them with her brush by acquaintance, right or wrong. This is why companies pull their endorsements from people involved in scandal. I can’t imagine that Chicago wouldn’t kick her to the curb.

    As far as Shaeffer’s statement about the penalty phase, I’m confused. If they can’t create reasonable doubt to avoid a guilty conviction, why would the same statement make a difference in the penalty phase???

  10. Carol in VA said, on November 24, 2009 at 11:53 am

    Good morning all. Sorry to say but I think Ms Lyons reflects the thinking of most of the world these days. In my lifetime (65 yrs.) I saw this very attitude in people at work, etc. Thank God, once in awhile one or two wonderful, honest people came into my life.

  11. Gahoundawg said, on November 24, 2009 at 11:53 am

    Prayers to the one who matters in this situation… Judge Strickland.

    Judge, may you please see the bigger light, protect the rest of society who do NOT want murderers amoungst our children and families, and who Love and Honor those who protect us, and search for our missing ones selflessly to ease the suffering of the nightmare of the worst kind…

    DENY these stupid motions to ruin the lives of those like Kronk who should be THANKED for speaking for the lost…… and please GAG these revolting Defense Attorneys (with a squirrel)

  12. azrenee said, on November 24, 2009 at 11:58 am

    I would guess because death is final, no do over. If they can state more investigation will continue blah blah, they feel they can make the jury give her a wait and see with LWOP as the booby prize. I never believed she would get the DP simply because if the defense has ANY brains they would have gone with the possibility of accidental death.

  13. TJ said, on November 24, 2009 at 11:59 am

    On a side note – Defense motion to review TES volunteer docs. I know this was talked about yesterday… Didn’t the judge already DENY this request once before? I can’t seem to find the information about the previous request…. Why would they file a 2nd request when the judge denied the first? Or am I missing something?

  14. cecelia said, on November 24, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    i agree with yankee can judge strickland send andrea packin’ back to chicago? (though some residents there claim it’s not nearly as WINDY when she is gone)

  15. Inky said, on November 24, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    Interesting how these low life attorneys, actually do believe the people, the state, and the justice system is not intelligent enough to know and understand, murder of an innocent child, caylee marie. they refuse to say caylees name, like she never existed..and i must know how do these attorneys even begin to understand socio, when they already know, everything that comes across that murderesses lips is a lie, manipulation, and fantasy. i would wonder how they come to any conclusions with this particular client, who has not one clue how to be honest..where and how, do you get answers with a sicko like socio. ..if they believe for one moment socio has told them a truth..i will be laughing like a hyena when court gets into session. ps. low life attorneys….that child, she she she, her child, etc..her name is CAYLEE. use it. don’t try to make it look as if caylee never existed.

  16. justforcayleea said, on November 24, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    Pointing the finger at Roy Kronk will not work.
    He had no access or even knowledge of the life of little Caylee.
    Well, let’s see….with Lyon’s scortched earth tactics……no one will be above suspect.
    Only George, Cindy, Lee or Mallory had such access to Caylee. Well, there were the 2 little dogs….Or, maybe Casey and Jose actually knew each other before….Jose could have had access to Caylee. How was it that Casey chose Jose to be her attorney?

  17. sterling1462 said, on November 24, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    Judge Strickland I really hope you think twice before you throw away the privacy of volunteers. We the anonymous. We are many and we are strong but we choose to remain anonymous. We need no welcome matt – no pat on the back. We have the right to remain this way. And for our safety, in some cases.
    We walk the miles that not everyone can.
    We travel to other countries to come to the aide of those in need.
    We feed our homeless.
    We save lives.
    We build parks for all the children.
    we maintain roads.
    We build schools and hospitals.
    We man phones and answer questions.
    We donate our time and resources to help with Cancer research.
    We run hotlines for abused children and battered wives.
    We donate money to those in need.

    Please do not throw us away. We did not find our way though life behind the skirt of anyone. We choose to stay in the shadows for many reasons. It is not for the others to decide who stays anonymous and who does not.
    The fact remains that Caylee’s body was not discovered by TES Volunteers. They have the right to stay anonymous and clear of this case. If one or many come forward themselves and choose to speak, that is their right. Let it be for TES to contact the volunteers and if they choose to come forward that is their right. If they choose to stay out of this mess, that is their right. The resent motions filed inplicating Mr. Kronk is an example of what lays ahead for every volunteer for TES.
    Please Judge Strickland consider the ripple effects that forcing a non-profit organization to release private communications and volunteer identities will cause.
    By releasing their records is going to effect allot more people than just in this case. You open it up for a future wife beater’s lawyer to demand and receive the names of volunteers that assisted the victim. You open it up for people to solicit money from people who already do and give so much. The instances are many and too long to mention.
    Please Judge Strickland do not release any information regarding TES volunteers.

    Consider this: You call the volunteers yourself if you feel the “need to compel is there” so be it. But who will pay for the representation of the volunteers? Who will protect them from harassment and snide remarks made by the defense? Again look at what bringing up -The grand jury vendicated Roy Kronk and yet here it is again over 17 years later. They walked the miles in search for the truth. And this is the thanks they get. They did not want thanks they wanted to find a 2 year old missing girl. They did not find her so let them be. I would ask your Honor to consider all before deciding. If you need to know if there was standing water in that area ask the people who live there. Look at the timeline and water tables. But please protect our privacy.

  18. mikka said, on November 24, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    bill,mr.kronk is an innoncent man,of course the defense WILL blame everybody!the question is,who will be the next to get blamed!

  19. mikka said, on November 24, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    the defense make it so far,does people ,when she find a dead body,no more calling 911 and walk away!

  20. Jeansee said, on November 24, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    99% of all Murder cases the evidence is circumstantial. Why this Twilight Zone Defense Team keeps trying to minimize and down play all the evidence the State of Florida has against Casey Anthony is there Defense stratedgy . A poor one IMO. Casey Anthony will be convicted based on this type of Theory lies to get someone off.. Ms.Andrea Lyon is steering this Twilight Zone to oblivian. People in Florida are not twits or killers her track record is about to be broken. IMO

    Florida will make an example to show perpertrators that they will not tolerate harm to children in the State of Florida.
    JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE AND CHILDREN LIKE HER!!!

  21. RS said, on November 24, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    Mr. Sheaffer,

    Thank you as always for your insight.

    As one who searched for Caylee but thank God found not a thing significant or I’d be playing the In Limone lottery, here is my current view.

    Would not do it again. Might as time goes by change my mind.

    But, I realized, at least when searching for Caylee, it was hot, humid and also at times damp.

    Now imagine the same for poor Kronk, only insert any searcher really.

    What on earth would happen if they were sweating and a drop or two, which can contain DNA got on what they found or a head hair, or arm hair or two due to proximity and discovery of remains circumstance or because they felt they had to touch or lift something to be sure of what they thought they were seeing?

    This treatment of Kronk, other volunteers makes it too risky to assist finding a tiny little girl or any person even without a thing in your past.

  22. snoopysleuth said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Bill~~I am still confused here. You wrote…

    P.S. To the many who have asked for the certification dates on the defense’s recently filed motion in limine and memorandum of law in support, the motion and memorandum were certified to have been furnished by Jose A. Baez, to the Office of the State Attorney by U.S. Mail and/or facsimile on November 18, 2009. But, both the motion AND the memorandum were signed as submitted by Jose A. Baez and Andrea D. Lyon, again, on November 18, 2009.

    I am concered that on Page 31 of the Motion in Limine, they make reference to Kronk’s deposition of Nov 19th, the day after the signature. When you mentioned it was signed again, should it not have been Nov 19th and not Nov 18th.

    I like your suspenders better than Larry King. Now, by saying that, I deserve an answer to my question…ahhhhh Please.

  23. shyloh said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    sterling1462 I wish I could hug you for that. You are so right. I pray Baez does not get his way

  24. justforcayleea said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Kronk does not meet any criteria for being a suspect in the killing of Caylee.
    He had no access to her……
    It’s time for Andrea and Jose to spin the “scortched earth” wheel of shame again.
    No Anthony is safe. Look out Cindy, George, Lee and Mallory too.
    According to Grandma Shirley, Casey hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee.
    Hmmmmmmmmm…Casey would be her happiest sociopathic self if Cindy becomes the new likely suspect.

  25. eyespy said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    Mr. Sheaffer
    A lot of bloggers have been asking the same question as 3:06 has for at least three days on a lot of different sites.We have not been satisfied with an answer as yet. I also would like to know what ramifications this “error” of pre-dating a legal motion would/could have for the defense.Patiently awaiting your response.

  26. EliGrandma said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    Could Lyons have leaked these tapes herself as a ploy to scare Amy Huizenga into dropping charges or not testifying in the upcoming fraud trial? Or, perhaps, to scare other witnesses in the future? Just a thought.

  27. Mosby said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    Thanks once again for spelling all of this out for us Mr. Shaeffer. I love your blog as well as your analysis for WFTV.

    My big fear in all of this is that the good samaritans and caring volunteers of this country will have to think twice before doing the right thing. As I sit hear today watching what this defense team is doing, I ponder if I would do the right thing and risk opening myself up to what Mr. Kronk and all of the TES volunteers are having to contend with. I don’t think I’m the only one thinking about this.

  28. RS said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    eyespy and snoopy,

    I’m not a lawyer and I believe I see issues with that motion, assorted, not limited to execution date, so I will not speak for Mr. Sheaffer by any means, but it just might be that the response he gave to validate your observations is all he feels is appropriate at this time.

  29. Gahoundawg said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    We love you Sterling for what you do. We being your friends, my family, and the population in General.

    You are awesome, and one day good deeds and good people such as yourself will not be punished by the selfish.

    I believe this.

  30. blogwizzard said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    These kind of comments show that Miss Lyons presumption of brightness and inner self, are even less appealing than Roy kronk’s own past.

    pathetically ironic, but valuable as a reality “check-list”…

  31. george_anthony said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    Interesting tidbit here:
    Richard Hornsby is a bad boy according to the Orange Co Clerk.
    Driving with open containers, reckless driving, speeding.
    http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/default.aspx
    click on “Criminal and Traffic Case Records”.
    Search Richard E Hornsby
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91987&page=2
    Post#43
    He even missed his own court date on one of the charges. Ooops!

  32. BC said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    The certification dates for the motions were 11/18 and IN them, they state that Mr. Kronk gave conflicting answers to their questions on 11/19. How is that possible.

  33. Sanny said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Thank you again Mr. Sheaffer for your comments regarding A. Lyons…..who opened her mouth and called Jurors Killers, and no one has the intelligence that she has. She is on Baez’ team because of the DP phase of the case. She stated that she dpesn’t care how she wins the case as long as she wins it…….
    Does this also includeing LYING, CONNIVING, ACCUSING OTHERS OF THE MURDER? IMO YES it does. I understand that it’s her job to get Casey OFF DP and that NEXT VICTIM train just speeds down the tracks……stopping long enough to throw out that HOOK and drag the next poor slob in……..digging up dirt on that person and even going so far as to travelling to interview those people so that some of the MUD that the Anthony’s didn’t want stuck to Mr. Kronk…….stuck tighter than the Duct Tape that was on Caylee’s skull.

    So Mr. Kronk has been added to that long line of victims falling prey to Casey Anthony’s Defense Team ……. The VICTIM LIST is as long as the Miss. Rr. and just as winding & twisting too.

    Will Mr. Kronk be the last victim? I doubt it. Why? because the trial is a long way off and
    there are more victims out there, unbenounced to them. They too will fall under the Baez Team hammer and be forever linked to Casey Anthony.

    As for the Defense calling TES a Liar regarding who or who didn’t find Caylee…….this msy hurt future volunteers who will want to search diligently for the next ppor baby or person
    that is missing and that is truly very very sad indeed.
    I oinly hope that this isn’t the case because there are some wonderful, dedicated people who come together to search for the next Caylee who may be out there, dumped or discardted like common garbage.

    ALL IN MY OPINION.

  34. susan said, on November 24, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    Scott Peterson was convicted on much less circumstancial evidence than they have on casey. I for one cannot wait to see how they explain away all of casey’s lies, lies, and more lies. I think the biggest pointer to the truth is that as much mouth running as the defense likes to do to the media, why are they not screaming that justice be done and that the police continue to look for the “real” killer. I guess it would be pointless now for them to look for the nanny when to hear the defense tell it Kronk did it. Matter of fact why would the grandparents not be still yelling to the media “find our grandbabies killer”. Deep down in the part of their minds that still hold on to any shred of reality…it’s because they know. They may say they support their daughter but their lack of voice in shouting to the world to find the real killer speaks volumes…sometime silence says so much more.

  35. Kl said, on November 24, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    Mr. Schaeffer, I posted my comment on the former blog, as this new one was not yet active.

    I would like to bring the question forward to this one, that is, regarding Ms. Lyon’s statement about her current case, in which she faced the real problem case that she would not want to try until she had to, the case with her client caught in the act of the crime on video tape AND the evidence too, was caught on tape with the client.

    If I were the client, I’d be some upset, when this is revealed while motions to toss many of the charges are still in ‘the works’.

    Sure, Lyons can argue she has another such case, (if so, which one?) and afterall, a simple little fraud case, first time offender, isn’t what she was really talking about, she was clearly talking about a capital case. (well go figure– both are simultaneously active cases for the same client that are defended by the same Ms. Lyon)

    Ms. Lyon has seemingly used Ms. Anthony’s example to these multiple ‘third parties’ as an demonstrative exemplar of the case you want to just not face, that you want to hold off as long as possible. Then, there are hints or rumours from somewhere, that suggest a ‘plea’. (the state can’t be that hard up surely)

    Prosecutors would be interested to know about Lyon’s own fears of the double-whammy of this real, and real ‘evidence with crime act’ video of Casey Anthony caught in the act with the evidence, not simply in one instance, but repeated instances.

    Should the client be somewhat upset about this?

  36. eyespy said, on November 24, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    RS
    Thank you for your response.You could very well be right, i hate to think that he is misinterperating the question, but if no other professional will answer either there could be something there…..

  37. Kl said, on November 24, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    Anyone remember how long the Andrea Lyon audio files were? I have recorded two parts that equal about 20 minutes total, but they seem to cut off before the end. Is there more?

  38. Eileen M said, on November 24, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    The videos are still on YouTube.
    So Andrea cries foul when her past bad acts are exposed?
    Try explaining that to Mr Kronk!

  39. Jeansee said, on November 24, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    IMO
    ==========
    IN the motion by Defense the attatched affidavits of the two volunteers both STATE they searched by the privacy fence and beyond the area where Caylee was found.. the key word is AREA. the ditch there was full of water at the time… the remains were eventually found under a palmetto which has a thick curling trunk. No Way these people went through the water (reported as high as KNEE deep)and possible snakes as they were warned prior to searching. Also this woman from NJ states she went there on her OWN. She was not assigned to go there.. This is why records by TM do not show her. Also Defense already was granted access to all records if they go over to Mr. Nejames office and review them. Defense is still trying to make others pay for their dirt digging.Andrea Lyons recent taped released shows their strategy.. LIE LIE LIE create out there Twilight Zone theories to get your client off. Dont matter who you walk on. jurors are killers and nitwits. judges are conceited elected want a bees and woman prosecutors have a cutesie syndrome. LYON has an unethical practice of crying in front of a jury. The point is It DONT MATTER WHAT TIM MILLER SAID IN PAST!! It is what can be proven… Plant life in verterbrae and skull match the scene… NO WAY SOMEONE ELSE PLANTED THIS BODY!!!

  40. Antoinette Vawter said, on November 24, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    In her oh so secret and exclusive lecture, Ms. Lyon let her audience know that it would not do to examine the defense vehicle or conceit too closely to see if it meets the requirements of a theory. It won’t. It is just a grab here, grab there means to get to Manipulation Theater and bloody handprints are no deterrent at all. “Not really a theory at all,” she said.

  41. loves2talk said, on November 24, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Andrea Lyons audio part 1

    Andrea Lyons Audio Part 2

  42. loves2talk said, on November 24, 2009 at 4:46 pm

  43. Amy Jonas said, on November 24, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    Finally a voice of reason. After listening to Andrea Lyon’s speech, and the first thought I had was “the jury will hate her”. She will do anything, but a disservice to her client.

    I hope the State Prosecutor, Linda Drane-Burdick after the conviction of her client, Ms. Anthony, pulls her aside, and says, “I’m one of the pioneers and you’re embarrassing me by your behavior.’”

  44. cayleedeservesjustice said, on November 24, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    Legal Analyst Bill Sheaffer on Casey Anthony Case
    Witness for the Prosecution or Fall Guy for the Defense?
    Posted in Latest Posts by billsheaffer on November 24, 2009

    Attorney Bill SheafferFor Scotswoman and other contributors who have asked about Andrea Lyon, and what is behind her shenanigans and pre-trial publicity seeking escapades: To look behind the curtain, or, to see how sausage is made, as some call it, is often not very pleasant and sometimes downright ugly. Such is the case with the recent release of the “teaching” tape made of Chicago law school instructor and attorney, Andrea Lyon’s lecture to Central Florida lawyers on the topic of defending death penalty cases during the penalty phase.

    At this juncture, we will not address her distasteful and offensive remarks pertaining to judges, female prosecutors or jurors, but, instead, limit our discussion to a particular statement made by her that cornerstones the latest defense strategy that can only be described as a scorched earth approach. Ms. Lyon’s approach, which has been adopted by Baez, Baden and company, disregards any consideration other than win at ANY cost, regardless of the truth, or consequence to justice, the fair trial process or any innocent party ground under their boots.

    Accordingly, let us now examine her statement as follows: “I understand that a lot of times our theory of the case isn’t a real theory. Okay, it’s a way of us getting to the penalty phase.” And contained in her words lies the fate of witness Roy Kronk. He is only the latest victim of this scorched earth approach by the Casey defense team, but I suspect, not the last.

    Looking behind the curtain to what this means: Andrea Lyon has a job. That job, as she sees it, is to save her from the death penalty, should Casey Anthony get convicted in the guilt phase of her trial, and, to do whatever is necessary to accomplish this, regardless. To comprehend this philosophy one must understand that there are lawyers that are so opposed to the death penalty, just as many non-lawyers are, that the ends justify the means. Period.

    I must ask that you not judge all criminal defense lawyers by the conduct of Ms. Lyons. Most are competent, hardworking and passionate defenders who do not share this view of win at any cost, but still represent their clients with vigor, creativity and compassion, while preserving the integrity of our judicial system and not creating fall guys and ruining the lives of innocent everyday people.

    But back to what this all means: quite simply, the defense would sacrifice Roy Kronk, the meter reader, during the penalty phase when they argue that a compelling reason not to impose the death penalty is the reasonable doubt created by the implication that he is the killer of little girl Caylee. A horrifying thought for anyone caught up in the criminal justice system as a witness or search volunteer. And, will it end with a verdict in this trial? Well, if I were Mr. Baez, I might be asking myself, when his job is done and all appeals have been exhausted, will I be next?

    WJS

    P.S. To the many who have asked for the certification dates on the defense’s recently filed motion in limine and memorandum of law in support, the motion and memorandum were certified to have been furnished by Jose A. Baez, to the Office of the State Attorney by U.S. Mail and/or facsimile on November 18, 2009. But, both the motion AND the memorandum were signed as submitted by Jose A. Baez and Andrea D. Lyon, again, on November 18, 2009.

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    1.
    blogwizzard said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    These kind of comments show that Miss Lyons presumption of brightness and inner self, are even less appealing than Roy kronk’s own past.

    pathetically ironic, but valuable as a reality “check-list”…
    2.
    Gahoundawg said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    We love you Sterling for what you do. We being your friends, my family, and the population in General.

    You are awesome, and one day good deeds and good people such as yourself will not be punished by the selfish.

    I believe this.
    3.
    RS said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    eyespy and snoopy,

    I’m not a lawyer and I believe I see issues with that motion, assorted, not limited to execution date, so I will not speak for Mr. Sheaffer by any means, but it just might be that the response he gave to validate your observations is all he feels is appropriate at this time.
    4.
    Mosby said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    Thanks once again for spelling all of this out for us Mr. Shaeffer. I love your blog as well as your analysis for WFTV.

    My big fear in all of this is that the good samaritans and caring volunteers of this country will have to think twice before doing the right thing. As I sit hear today watching what this defense team is doing, I ponder if I would do the right thing and risk opening myself up to what Mr. Kronk and all of the TES volunteers are having to contend with. I don’t think I’m the only one thinking about this.
    5.
    EliGrandma said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    Could Lyons have leaked these tapes herself as a ploy to scare Amy Huizenga into dropping charges or not testifying in the upcoming fraud trial? Or, perhaps, to scare other witnesses in the future? Just a thought.
    6.
    eyespy said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    Mr. Sheaffer
    A lot of bloggers have been asking the same question as 3:06 has for at least three days on a lot of different sites.We have not been satisfied with an answer as yet. I also would like to know what ramifications this “error” of pre-dating a legal motion would/could have for the defense.Patiently awaiting your response.
    7.
    justforcayleea said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Kronk does not meet any criteria for being a suspect in the killing of Caylee.
    He had no access to her……
    It’s time for Andrea and Jose to spin the “scortched earth” wheel of shame again.
    No Anthony is safe. Look out Cindy, George, Lee and Mallory too.
    According to Grandma Shirley, Casey hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee.
    Hmmmmmmmmm…Casey would be her happiest sociopathic self if Cindy becomes the new likely suspect.
    8.
    shyloh said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    sterling1462 I wish I could hug you for that. You are so right. I pray Baez does not get his way
    9.
    snoopysleuth said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Bill~~I am still confused here. You wrote…

    P.S. To the many who have asked for the certification dates on the defense’s recently filed motion in limine and memorandum of law in support, the motion and memorandum were certified to have been furnished by Jose A. Baez, to the Office of the State Attorney by U.S. Mail and/or facsimile on November 18, 2009. But, both the motion AND the memorandum were signed as submitted by Jose A. Baez and Andrea D. Lyon, again, on November 18, 2009.

    I am concered that on Page 31 of the Motion in Limine, they make reference to Kronk’s deposition of Nov 19th, the day after the signature. When you mentioned it was signed again, should it not have been Nov 19th and not Nov 18th.

    I like your suspenders better than Larry King. Now, by saying that, I deserve an answer to my question…ahhhhh Please.
    10.
    RS said, on November 24, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    Mr. Sheaffer,

    Thank you as always for your insight.

    As one who searched for Caylee but thank God found not a thing significant or I’d be playing the In Limone lottery, here is my current view.

    Would not do it again. Might as time goes by change my mind.

    But, I realized, at least when searching for Caylee, it was hot, humid and also at times damp.

    Now imagine the same for poor Kronk, only insert any searcher really.

    What on earth would happen if they were sweating and a drop or two, which can contain DNA got on what they found or a head hair, or arm hair or two due to proximity and discovery of remains circumstance or because they felt they had to touch or lift something to be sure of what they thought they were seeing?

    This treatment of Kronk, other volunteers makes it too risky to assist finding a tiny little girl or any person even without a thing in your past.
    11.
    Jeansee said, on November 24, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    99% of all Murder cases the evidence is circumstantial. Why this Twilight Zone Defense Team keeps trying to minimize and down play all the evidence the State of Florida has against Casey Anthony is there Defense stratedgy . A poor one IMO. Casey Anthony will be convicted based on this type of Theory lies to get someone off.. Ms.Andrea Lyon is steering this Twilight Zone to oblivian. People in Florida are not twits or killers her track record is about to be broken. IMO

    Florida will make an example to show perpertrators that they will not tolerate harm to children in the State of Florida.
    JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE AND CHILDREN LIKE HER!!!

    Florida wont do shit to save these children. They have proven that over and over

  45. snoopysleuth said, on November 24, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    RS~~thank you for your response re those dates and what Mr Sheaffer stated. I am a stubborn old cuss and just want someone to explain to me how you can add facts after the Motion was off in the US mail.

    By making those assumptions on Page 31 of that Motion that Kronk would make inconsistences in his deposition on Nov 19th as specified on Page 31, they should be fortune tellers instead of lawyers.

    I retired from being an accountant and income tax consultant. Trust me when I say, dates and signatures are of the utmost importance in documents etc. One day’s difference can be like night compared to day.

  46. seemeatthebeach said, on November 24, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    Kl, I don’t know how long Lyon’s original audios were. The ones on WFTV were removed, and I never got the chance to hear them before removed. I listened to the 2 parts on youtube, and combined are about 20 minutes.

    Part 1

    Part 2

    Anyone have an idea of the reason for their removal. The article was removed as well.

  47. Dianne said, on November 24, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    Florida will make an example to show perpertrators that they will not tolerate harm to children in the State of Florida.
    ================================================
    LOL, had to laugh at this. FL is so low on the slush pile that no example will ever be made of them at this point. It’s embarrassing really. How about: “Move to FL if you want something really bad to happen to your children.” I’m starting to think that anyone who chooses to live here with their children, are committing child abuse already!
    I for one, want OUT.

  48. Marion said, on November 24, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Perhaps those recordings were removed because the copyright holder did not approve their use, therefore no article? If the person on youtube is not the original copyright holder of that audio then expect to see those removed too.

    Thanks for another fine blog. I think it’s despicable that Roy Kronk has been basically accused of murder by this defense team. So he has a troubled domestic past, that doesn’t make him a killer. If the defense wants to put a fall guy up against Casey Anthony, (not that any of it is going to stick anyway but..) why not the psychic? She supposedly led Dominic Casey to the woods where the body was discovered. Why not Dominic Casey himself? He was video taped being in those woods two days in a row and he does have a connection to the Anthony family, working as their “private detective” at that time. hmm.

  49. mikka said, on November 24, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    bill,i feel so sorry for the prosecution,when i am a prosecutor in this case,i think i getting grazy!

  50. Kl said, on November 24, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    thanks, seemeatthebeach– I have made audio’s of those two on YouTube. I wish I’d kept a copy and pasted version of K B’s article, then I could tell if I had all there was on audio.

    I have a feeling that the lecture was far longer, and the YouTube versions might be half each, of only the first audio from WFTV.

  51. denjet said, on November 24, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    Hearing Lyon’s lecture and her animosity towards victim’s rights advocates made me appalled and a little nauseous remembering her response to Ms Burdick’s statement in court :

    “No, I, actually my position is not to protect the family, my position is to protect the child who is deceased.” To which Lyon mouthed “oh my god” and rolled her eyes in disgust !! WTH?

    This says it all about the integrity with which Lyon defends her clients … win at all costs, destroy as many lives as you have to in the process … and by all means, make the jury forget about the victim and portray your client as the only real victim of state prosecution …

    And Judge Strickland, please, please, please put an end to dragging volunteers into the defense’s web … where are their rights ?? How does the accused’ rights trump the rights of so many innocent people that unluckily are somehow connected to this case through no fault of their own ??

  52. FRG said, on November 24, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    Thank you very much Mr. Sheaffer!!!
    You have integrity and we respect all of your comments. Very wise man!!!!
    I am appalled for the way Ms. Lyon considers herself having a high IQ but to me this is called lack of ethics. The lesson she is preaching is “do whatever it takes to win your case, even if your client is a killer”. Why do lawyers have to go to Law School??? Just cry, lie and say they are going to kill your client, and pin the murder on any innocent person you find, ruin their lives. Disgusting!!!!
    And yes Mr. Sheaffer you are the next to be sued. Just kidding. LOL
    Mr. Sheaffer are we all being sued??? It’s scary, isn’t it?
    I feel so sorry for Mr. Kronk, I really do.

  53. sedsays said, on November 24, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    Is it any wonder that defense attorneys are held in such low esteem??? No offense Mr. Schaeffer. Ms. Lyon is apalling. If this is what is taught in law school, have mercy on us all. I cannot believe that this “win at any cost” mentality is considered okay. Her victim rights attitude is from the dark ages. I can only hope that what goes around comes around. Our judicial system was not set up for the shenanigans of present day legal wrangling. There is NO such thing as a fair trial and that truly saddens me. This country is slowly sinking to an all time low. Ms. Lyon and her ilk need a huge reality check.

  54. Tulessa said, on November 24, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Bill are the rumors true?:(

  55. Gahoundawg said, on November 24, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    Is What Richard Hornsby reporting on his blog true????? and does it matter to you if it is being kicked out of the Defense Attorney association today?

  56. MeMe said, on November 24, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    Great find George Anthony!

  57. jmlm said, on November 24, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    Mr. Sheaffer question. Will the document to admit evidence on Mr. Kronk be admitted since it is saying he gave inconsistant statements at his depo for the defense on 11/19/2009 and the document is signed 11/18/2009? He could not have yet given any answers since this motion is signed the day before. The defense is yet again caught in their own mess.

  58. MeMe said, on November 24, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    Richard Hornsby needs to crawl back under the slimy rock from which he came!

  59. MeMe said, on November 24, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    george_anthony said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:46 pm Interesting tidbit here:
    Richard Hornsby is a bad boy according to the Orange Co Clerk.
    Driving with open containers, reckless driving, speeding.
    http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/default.aspx
    click on “Criminal and Traffic Case Records”.
    Search Richard E Hornsby
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91987&page=2
    Post#43
    He even missed his own court date on one of the charges

  60. MeMe said, on November 24, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    No response RH?? Cat got your tongue??

  61. talking2much said, on November 24, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    MeMe said, on November 24, 2009 at 6:59 pm Richard Hornsby needs to crawl back under the slimy rock from which he came!
    ***

    The rock won’t have him! LOL

  62. talking2much said, on November 24, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    MeMe the rock won’t have him back! LOL

  63. MeMe said, on November 24, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    MeMe the rock won’t have him back! LOL

    Can’t fault the rock for that…..

  64. shyloh said, on November 24, 2009 at 7:29 pm

    Another casualty of the Casey Anthony saga:
    http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2009/11/24/r-i-p-william-j-sheaffer/

    R.I.P. William J. Sheaffer, Esq.
    November 24th, 2009 Richard Hornsby Leave a comment Go to comments

    I have been informed that Mr. Sheaffer is being given the option of either resigning from the Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers or being expelled.
    So I only have one question Mr. Sheaffer, was it worth it?
    So I only have one question Mr. Sheaffer, was it worth it?
    Was it worth sullying your reputation among every criminal defense lawyer in the state just so Kathy Belich could get a story? Was it worth having your claims of “professionalism” published on Mr. Boedeker’s blog on the same day you sold out an entire organization.
    You may me an Internet sensation and a media darling, but you are a disgrace to your colleagues. Good job.
    You may me an Internet sensation and a media darling, but you are a disgrace to your colleagues. Good job.
    And for those that are interested, I did verify that Mr. Sheaffer lied to obtain the seminar materials. Apparently FACDL was concerned that the audio would be leaked, so they set up a system to stream the audio.
    Mr. Sheaffer called FACDL headquarters and claimed he was having a hard time hearing the audio and would like to have a copy sent to him. He went so far as to say he needed it so that he could maintain hid death penalty qualifications.
    FACDL believed Mr. Sheaffer and sent him the audio as he requested – he immediately turned it over to Ms. Belich. The rest is history – just like his reputation among his colleagues.
    The rest is history – just like his reputation among his colleagues.
    As a side-note, I was informed that when this situation was brought to the attention of the News Director for WFTV-ABC, he was the consummate professional and removed all references at the request of FACDL. I would like to not only commend him for that, I would like to say thank you.
    I would like to say thank you.

  65. Kimmie76 said, on November 24, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    I posted this on Mr. Hornsbys blog because I felt compelled to… sorry if I ruffeled any feathers…. her is the post

    Sir you are pointing out Mr.Sheaffer’s flaws would you like for someone to point out yours??? You are very judgemental of Mr.Sheaffer almost bully like… What is wrong with this picture, has Mr.Sheaffer ever made remarks directed at your character or analyzed every word you have uttered? I’m sure you have slipped up a time or two? Also you make a statement of Mr.Sheaffer being unprofessional, so what does that make you??? Aren’t you doing the exact same thing to him? Are you any better???

    Death is Different but Lyon’s comments are reprehincable no matter the what who where when or why she said it!!! Your fear would be that an innocent person could die,,, well mine is that some murder could walk free because of tatics that Ms.Lyon’s not only avocates but preaches…
    This is a paraphrase of what was stated in her little rant at the seminar like the murderer she was trying to get off for killing his entire family but the one surviving family member went on Oprah like she didn’t have enough issues with the case…
    So Ms.Lyon knew this person was guilty as sin, and this murderer now roams this earth with not only my children but yours so would you like to rethink your position here yet… yes everyone deserves a great defender…But these tactics are absurd…
    Can you please explain as a defense attorney if you know the person is guilty can you still stay on the case?

  66. MeMe said, on November 24, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    Kimmie76,
    Have you read the latest Horsby blog? He is a disgusting PIG.

  67. Thinker Belle said, on November 24, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    I guess I don’t understand how this man’s blog guarantees Belch a news story…anyone? Actually, I like both of their blogs; however, I could do without all the childish commenter fighting.

  68. RS said, on November 24, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    Here is my 2 cents on those tapes and the accusations.

    And let me say I am no attorney who should be able to allow for several possibilities before accusations fly.

    So, it cannot be that someone provided the tapes representing what they were and ordering of same was simply to verify that yup, that is a real copy you were handed there, before it was reported on.

    It has to be these wild accusations.

    And in future I hope people cease, myself included, from responding to the dragging of IMO manure here that is best left where it was first deposited by the manure source, elsewhere.

    What follows is the wisdom of an 84 year old lady.

    “If in order to retain memership in the criminal defense attorney “club” one must conform to a party line where people stand side by side with those who denigrate women, take pot shots at the elderly and otherwise disgrace their position as officer of the court, Sheaffer would be wise to get away from people like that.”

  69. MeMe said, on November 24, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    I guess I don’t understand how this man’s blog guarantees Belch a news story…anyone? Actually, I like both of their blogs; however, I could do without all the childish commenter fighting.

    Stuff it Thinkerbell. Hornsby is out for one thing and one thing only….himself and publicity!

  70. jeansee said, on November 24, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    FOR CLARIFICATION OF THE FACTS ABOUT MR.SCHAEFFER!!
    Casey Anthony: WFTV agreed to take down story on Andrea Lyon lecture as courtesy to lawyers’ group
    posted by halboedeker on Nov 24, 2009 4:51:40 PM

    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/11/casey-anthony-wftv-agreed-to-take-down-story-on-andrea-lyon-lecture.html

    WFTV-Channel 9′s Kathi Belich last night offered an eye-opening report on Andrea Lyon, a member of Casey Anthony’s defense team. The report drew on comments that Lyon made last year at an Orlando conference of the Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.

    But you can’t find the story on WFTV’s Web site.

    “We took it down. It was an editorial judgment,” WFTV news director Bob Jordan said today. “Our feeling is the story had its run.”

    The station had received a call from Barry Wax, a Miami lawyer who puts on the seminar and gets the speakers for the professional group.

    “We pulled it down as a courtesy to the attorney,” Jordan said. “He said it compromises his ability get attorneys to come to his seminars as presenters.”

    Wax agreed that the station took the story down as a courtesy.

    “The seminar is a program that the group puts on so lawyers can be qualified to handle capital cases,” Wax said. “The seminar is one of the finest death-penalty seminars in the country. The information shared in those seminars is proprietary and is meant to stay with members. We ask for that privacy so speakers can speak freely without fear of it being compromised.”

    How did this private information reach the public?

    “The fact this was disseminated without the permission of our organization and Andrea Lyon and surreptitiously obtained by an individual … really was very troubling to all of us,” Wax said. “Not for the content but for the way it was used for media purposes that was beyond the purpose for what it was intended. I made a request of Bob Jordan that it be removed, and he honored my request.”

    Wax described himself as a firm proponent of the First Amendment.

    “I’d never try to silence the media, but I believe this was our proprietary material,” Wax said.

  71. Jeansee said, on November 24, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE AND CHILDREN LIKE HER!!!!
    Casey Anthony: WFTV agreed to take down story on Andrea Lyon lecture as courtesy to lawyers’ group
    posted by halboedeker on Nov 24, 2009 4:51:40 PM

    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/11/casey-anthony-wftv-agreed-to-take-down-story-on-andrea-lyon-lecture.html

    WFTV-Channel 9′s Kathi Belich last night offered an eye-opening report on Andrea Lyon, a member of Casey Anthony’s defense team. The report drew on comments that Lyon made last year at an Orlando conference of the Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.

    But you can’t find the story on WFTV’s Web site.

    “We took it down. It was an editorial judgment,” WFTV news director Bob Jordan said today. “Our feeling is the story had its run.”

    The station had received a call from Barry Wax, a Miami lawyer who puts on the seminar and gets the speakers for the professional group.

    “We pulled it down as a courtesy to the attorney,” Jordan said. “He said it compromises his ability get attorneys to come to his seminars as presenters.”

    Wax agreed that the station took the story down as a courtesy.

    “The seminar is a program that the group puts on so lawyers can be qualified to handle capital cases,” Wax said. “The seminar is one of the finest death-penalty seminars in the country. The information shared in those seminars is proprietary and is meant to stay with members. We ask for that privacy so speakers can speak freely without fear of it being compromised.”

    How did this private information reach the public?

    “The fact this was disseminated without the permission of our organization and Andrea Lyon and surreptitiously obtained by an individual … really was very troubling to all of us,” Wax said. “Not for the content but for the way it was used for media purposes that was beyond the purpose for what it was intended. I made a request of Bob Jordan that it be removed, and he honored my request.”

    Wax described himself as a firm proponent of the First Amendment.

    “I’d never try to silence the media, but I believe this was our proprietary material,” Wax said.

    MR Schaeffer Thank You for the Truth and JUSTICE!!!

  72. Evangeline said, on November 24, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Shyloh, why did you repeat sentences twice, what is your point? Couldn’t you have left an excerpt & the link & leave it at that? Do you agree with Hornsby’s actions, the jealous little tattle tale or are you just informing Mr. Sheaffer of what I’m sure he’s already aware of?

  73. Kl said, on November 24, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    Did Ms. Lyon defend Eric Wrinkles in his failed DP case? Was this the killer who allowed one woman to survive the family mass killings and was this survivor the person who was on Oprah to the dismay of the DP lawyer?

    http://www.oprah.com/article/oprahshow/20090923-tows-death-row/3

    Andrea Lyon is touted as winning so many of her cases– but she did not win this one. Maybe that’s why she didn’t like the victim for speaking out.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/33622728#33622728

    Does MSNBC look forward to following this case through to the end, should Ms. Lyon again fail?

    It might do a client good, to review their thoughts on ‘no plea’ if they did kill their child on purpose. Maybe they can come up with an ‘I rolled over on my child in bed’ theory and accidentally she died, instead of trying to blame innocent people.

    Why put everyone through this, why not tell what really happened, the child died accidentally, a better story than Mr. Kronk did it. What? Mr. Kronk did the computer searches for ‘neck breaking, chloroform, shovels and other home made weapons’ on the family computer? A big man came into the Anthony home for some purpose with Casey and she let him plan her child’s murder?? Really…. there is no evidence of that.

  74. sterling1462 said, on November 24, 2009 at 8:24 pm


    andrea Lyon posted this on utube 8 months ago…..

  75. mickey said, on November 24, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    testing

  76. shyloh said, on November 24, 2009 at 8:49 pm

    Evangeline I copied and pasted. No I don’t agree with Hornsby. I told him personally I no longer respected him for his actions.

  77. Evangeline said, on November 24, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    Andrea Lyon let an innocent man rot in prison for 26 years. What could be worse than that? There must have been a way to free this man & not be disbarred. Lyon had options but kept silent so her guilty client would remain free. She’s a horrible human being with no professional ethics imo who stoops to bully tactics to make the jury cry.

    Lyon should have as much respect for murder victims like Caylee as she does for their killers. Andrea Lyon, Jose Baez, Todd Macaluso, Linda Kenney Baden are lowlife scum imo and could care less that Casey might go free to possibly give birth & kill again.

    If I were a lawyer I’d draw the line at defending baby killers. I’ve heard famous attorneys say they’d draw the line at defending Casey Anthony because of her obvious guilt in killing her 2 yr old Caylee. This group are the bottom feeders of their profession imo & are not respected by their peers or the public. I’ll add Hornsby to that list soon. What a whiny, envious little jack ass.

    *******************************

    Sorry Shylo & I’ve done my share of C & P too.. glad you don’t agree with Hornsby.

  78. Evangeline said, on November 24, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    Hornsby is so jealous of Mr. Sheaffer imo he can’t see straight..to stoop this low in attacking one of his colleagues…Bill is one of the few in the media who’ve asked the tough questions & been rightly critical of the defense, Casey & the Anthonys.

    Look at how Maggie Rodriguez of ‘The Early Show’ & ‘The 48 Hour Mystery’ on CBS was afraid to talk above a whisper & never once challenged the Anthonys on any of the lies they told during the interview, no follow up questions, it’s was a disgrace! Why… so she could have the Anthonys back for round 2 of more lies, ratings! No way would this family, cover-up agents for murder go on a show if someone demanded the truth!

    So the few who do challenge the defense, Casey the Anthonys (Sheaffer & Belich) will be dragged through the mud too because of professional jealousy…pathetic!

  79. onlyhere4caylee said, on November 24, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    Tiger please quit cring, i and others will never go back

  80. seemeatthebeach said, on November 24, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    Hornsby is posting on InSession board…..here’s the link to all of his posts today about him reporting Bill.

    http://boards.insessiontrials.com/search.php?searchid=1396957

  81. Gahoundawg said, on November 24, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    I’ll try not to take that personally. lol

  82. dawnisis said, on November 24, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    I saw Lyon’s conference, as I am sure all of us did, and Roy Kronk, the man who laid Caylee to rest is being used as a scapegoat. We all know it. What is really bothering me is to accuse Kronk of child murder is heinous in and of itself, but we all know what they are really accusing an innocent man of being is a child molester, a pedophile who killed a 2 year old after violating her. After all that IS why strangers kidnap children right? What of Mr. Kronk and his future when this is over. Forever an accused pedophile and murderer of a baby in the most high profile murder case this decade. I cannot stand for this injustice served to Mr. Kronk. I simply cannot. Casey and her devil family need to be made an example of in the name of justice. May GOD have mercy on their souls. I have never been a supporter of the death penalty but Ms. Lyon has opened my eyes. As Shakespear once said: “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.”

  83. shyloh said, on November 24, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    Evangeline, I so agree with you. And no need to be sorry.

  84. dawnisis said, on November 24, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    It’s nice to know all of the rapist’s crimes have a SET protocol:
    If you know the attacker then you consented
    :if you didn’t know the attacker then you are mistaken

    NICE TO KNOW SINCE I AM A FEMALE. Real nice.

    I wonder why women don’t report rapes??????

  85. Evangeline said, on November 24, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    R.I.P. William J. Sheaffer, Esq.
    November 24th, 2009 Richard Hornsby Leave a comment Go to comments

    I have been informed that Mr. Sheaffer is being given the option of either resigning from the Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers or being expelled.

    So I only have one question Mr. Sheaffer, was it worth it?

    **********************************

    Is this true? I hope to God not! What a sniveling little worm Hornsby is!

    Shylo, I just c & p this & it did the same thing to me too. The the sentences came up twice, weird! Didn’t mean to accuse you of being on Hornsbys side. This case is making me a little crazy!

  86. mickey said, on November 24, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    Hornsby lied about being a member of the FADCL on his blog so he says its OK he exposed WS to this organization well he is no better about privy info from them either..
    WS..thank you for exposing AL and the way she feels about Fl and the ludicial system..you are a class act as you did not bite on his childness and I am truly sorry if it cost you your membership to this FADCL..does it mean you can’t be a lawyer anymore?You have stood for CAyleewith the state and the discovery and a applaud you for that..thank you for being her voice..

    http://www.facdl.org/MemberCenter/Members_List.html
    Richard Earl Hornsby
    Phone: (407) 540-1551
    richard@richardhornsby.com

    http://www.richardhornsby.com/sitemap.html
    Call Today (407) 540-1551

  87. dawnisis said, on November 24, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    I would like to add a personal message to Mr. Sheaffer:

    We know why you started this blog. Little Caylee has gotten to you, as she has to all of us. Don’t let these people stop JUSTICE. We are craving it so badly for her.
    YOU are right, they are wrong.
    Being the victim of a murder or a rape means something more than lawyering & “winning”. Justice means something and to have someone like Lyon exposed for the demon she is, that will lie, falsely accuse and CLAW her way up on top of the back of victims makes me ill.
    Stay with us Mr. Sheaffer…
    We have to seek justice no matter the cost.

  88. jmlm said, on November 24, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    Mr. Sheaffer you are a wonderful lawyer. I would not go down without a fight! On another note I found this to be so true: While that FBI report states the hairs do not constitute a basis for absolute personal identification, it can be argued the hair from a dead body inside Anthony’s trunk matches strands from Caylee’s skull.

    Haskell also concluded that from the colonization of coffin flies at the scene, Caylee’s remains were dumped there as early as late June. Combine that with evidence of “grave wax” from the towels and matching hairs from the scene and trunk, it appears to be a forensic trail leading right back to Casey Anthony, the source said.

    Baez has declined to discuss these forensic issues specifically.

    Also is it not lying to the courts to sign a motion to the courts before the event happened as stated in the motion. They filed the motion on 11/18/2009 yet the depo was not until 11/19/2009. How could they know anything? Will the judge consider this?

  89. Kathleen said, on November 24, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    What a “common” person Andrea Lyons is. She may get her socks knocked off by some of these Blue Haired ladies she refers to! They are well-bred, and will easily see through her gutter type behavior! They aren’t called Steel Magnolias for nothing. Class and integrity are strangers. Totally repulsive IMO.

  90. Thinker Belle said, on November 24, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    MeMe-Thank you for the Thanksgiving suggestion…I may just “stuff it.” Lol! You are so thoughtful. In addition, IMO, I doubt what transpired today was because of Mr. Hornsby alone. Unless, he speaks on behalf of the BAR and is solely responsible for all decisions.

  91. Kushy said, on November 24, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    Ms Lyons is as ugly on the inside as she is on the outside. She should be very very ashamed.

  92. Eugenia said, on November 24, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    Oh my! Where was this Lyons woman raised?? I am apalled at her crude behavior and dirty mouth. I find her scary, and very “man-like” and tough,and rough in her behavior. She’s certainly what I would call “ill bred”. She is far too old to wear her hair long, it’s unbecoming to a woman her age. How cruel of her to even “suggest” that Mr. Kronk was involved with little Caylee’s slaughter! Thank heavens he discovered what remained of her tiny body. All of Miz Lyons suggestions will fail once the jury has the facts laid before them. Miz Lyons should behave more like a lady, not a tough man, regardless of her proclivities!

  93. MeMe said, on November 24, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    MeMe-Thank you for the Thanksgiving suggestion…I may just “stuff it.” Lol! You are so thoughtful. In addition, IMO, I doubt what transpired today was because of Mr. Hornsby alone. Unless, he speaks on behalf of the BAR and is solely responsible for all decisions.

    You are very welcome, Thinker. Stuffed inside a TURKEY, is exactly where this all belongs. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!

  94. John R. said, on November 24, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    Is it neccessary for defense attorneys to sling so much untrue mud to win a case? Dramantics have nothing to do with FACTS!

  95. Teddy said, on November 24, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    Thanks Bill, I think you are wonderful.How refreshing to here the truth about this case.I have often thought that the defence is so desperate that every witness might be quietly paid off just look at kid finders,x wives magicial people coming up out of noware with valuable imformation.hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm all the low lifes seem to be a magnet for the Anthonys oh how they want a not guilty vertict at any cost.I couldnt sleep at night but thats just me GOD BLESS AND GOODNIGHT.

  96. Evangeline said, on November 24, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    November 24th, 2009 at 19:29 | #31 Reply | Quote Richard Hornsby :

    @Question

    Only one problem with that theory – CBS is the one news station I have NEVER given provided commentary for.
    Now as a sidenote, I have given commentary for WFTV-ABC; but interestingly, once they put Mr. Sheaffer on their payroll, they never called me again
    http://www.richardhornsby.com/video/tv/casey-anthony/20081016-ABC.html
    http://www.richardhornsby.com/video/tv/casey-anthony/20081015-ABC.html
    http://www.richardhornsby.com/video/tv/casey-anthony/20080903-ABC.html

    ~~~~~~~~~

    Bumping this Hornsby quote, so all remain aware from whence this all arose.

    …………….”They never called me again.”…………………….

  97. miami4caylee said, on November 24, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    Mr. Shaeffer, i just want to thank you for such an excellent blog. all entries so far has been accurate and knowledgeable. as for attorneys that would lie to defend a client, that is not right. they just don’t teach you that in law school. that comes with your values. and unfortunately in this case we can’t expect this people to have a moral consciense. it just won’t happen.

  98. hvf said, on November 24, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    Thank you for your comments about this case. They are informative and helpful.
    I believe there is a huge difference between legal and moral. Throwing innocent people under the bus to win is totally immoral.
    OH yes……….I love suspenders and from a woman’s point of view, Suspenders are classy. That is at least in my estimation. Larry King wears them and he is a class-act guy. I also know another very cool guy that I adore that wears them. …. so just chuckle if anyone calls you “Mr Suspenders”.

  99. miami4caylee said, on November 24, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    on another note, has anybody notice how the anthony family are used to lie and steal to and from each other? george did not tell his wife the truth about his financial problems, cindy said that casey has always said “half truths”, whatever that means, george used to steal change from lee anytime he needed to buy the newspaper, cindy “would have say anything to get the police in her house” the night of the 16th of july… no wonder Cayse said in her initial statement “she would steal and lie to find her daughter”. Is not even funny to see this family completely in denial, how they are stated on their depos that they don’t believe anything but Casey’s version (OMG), that they never received a letter from Casey, when Lee texted his mother shortly after Casey’s arrest telling her not to tell anybody about Casey’s letters, that the meaning of the infamous tatoo is in Caylee’s memory, and so forth. This is a sad state of things. I’m just counting the days until the trial. I hope all of them are declared hostile witnesses and the prosecution can ask them very suggestive questions.

  100. Marion said, on November 25, 2009 at 12:05 am

    Mr. Sheaffer, please do not give Richard Hornsby any fuel for his fire, don’t even acknowledge him. This is quite typical on the internet, creating controversial topics to bring in readers from other sites across the web. He stuck his foot in his mouth resorting to such childish antics and we all realize it. You are quite the professional and appear to be gaining a nice readership that is growing at a very fast rate. He’s doing just fine by himself heading towards that crash & burn. Keep up the good work and look forward to your next blog.

  101. MeMe said, on November 25, 2009 at 12:14 am

    george_anthony said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:46 pm Interesting tidbit here:
    Richard Hornsby is a bad boy according to the Orange Co Clerk.
    Driving with open containers, reckless driving, speeding.
    http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/default.aspx
    click on “Criminal and Traffic Case Records”.
    Search Richard E Hornsby
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91987&page=2
    Post#43
    He even missed his own court date on one of the charges

    SO ANSWER THESE CHARGES AGAINST YOU”””””

  102. MeMe said, on November 25, 2009 at 12:21 am

    omg…can this crazies not end!

  103. CeeA said, on November 25, 2009 at 12:35 am

    Ya know what…it’s SO VERY OBVIOUS…that the defense has “bought” the ex wives tattle tale stories…IF THEY WERE TRUE…especially the one that said he duct taped her hands and made her sit on the couch….she says SHE BELIEVES KRONK HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH CAYLEES MURDER…

    SO TO HER AND THE REST OF THE REVENGEFUL MONEY GRUBBING TEN MINS OF FAME EX WIVES…HERE’S MY QUESTION

    CAYLEE WAS FOUND ALMOST A YEAR AGO…WHY NOW ARE YOU SAYING THESE THINGS IF THEY ARE TRUE..YOU WOULD OF CALLED THE POLICE DEC 11/08

    YOUR ALL A BUNCH OF CANIVING LYING IDIOTS…YOUR WASTING YOUR INVALUABLE BREATH WITH YOUR GARBAGE..

  104. John B. said, on November 25, 2009 at 12:56 am

    Hornsby is becoming a joke. Guess he thinks “any attention” is better than “no attention”, and THAT’S SHOWBIZ! Grow up Horns, and show a little dignity!

  105. MeMe said, on November 25, 2009 at 1:05 am

    yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyygeorge_anthony said, on November 24, 2009 at 3:46 pm Interesting tidbit here:
    Richard Hornsby is a bad boy according to the Orange Co Clerk.
    Driving with open containers, reckless driving, speeding.
    http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/default.aspx
    click on “Criminal and Traffic Case Records”.
    Search Richard E Hornsby
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91987&page=2
    Post#43
    He even missed his own court date on one of the charges

  106. Catgirl said, on November 25, 2009 at 1:11 am

    I think less people will be inclined to volunteer to help search (Equusearch for example) or to even get involved and report crimes or suspicious activities if there’s a chance that their past will be brought back to haunt them like what is happened with Mr. Kronk. I feel sorry for him. I’m sure he expected the defense to drag his name through the mud or maybe even try to pin Caylee’s murder on him (or at least his attorney probably told him to expect it some), but I’m sure not to the degree it has happened. Now it seems they are going to go after Equusearch volunteers and see what dirt they can dig up on them. I’m sure it can be an effective tactic. You either scare away the witness if they don’t have the fortitude to deal with the mud-slinging or you find something on them to try and discredit them.

    As for Mr. Kronk’s ex-wives, who appear to have their own axe to grind, it will probably be an exciting cross-examination for some attorney as proving bias on the part of his ex-wives should be easy to do. It’s just sad that we have to go through all of this when it really isn’t crucial to the issue of whether Casey killed Caylee. But I know the defense wants to try and discredit Mr. Kronk as much as possible.

    Mr. Sheaffer, I have 2 questions that perhaps you can answer.

    1. Why is it that during the whole time before anyone (except Casey, apparently) knew that Caylee was missing, did anyone question how on earth Casey could even afford a nanny to be looking after Caylee as much as she was not with Casey, when she was stealing money from her grandmother, her mother, borrowing money, calling people to come get her because she ran out of gas, and forging checks? It makes no sense to me.

    2. I’m a 2L attending a local law school and am wondering if you need any summer intern help (paid or volunteer)? If so, please email me or leave a comment on my blog and I’ll forward a resume. Thanks.

  107. Bswayzee said, on November 25, 2009 at 1:15 am

    Andrea lyons and casey anthony have so much in common they are both foul mouthed , jealous and derogatory of other women strong women in particular , they both see Caylee as a bag of trash , Caylee is just a troublesome victim and if it was not for her casey would not even be in jail . I would like to know what DE Paul university a catholic university thinks it is doing employing a vile foul mouthed revolting cold woman , they are sullying their reputation with her , she is disturbing to say the least !

  108. ArgentinaRose said, on November 25, 2009 at 1:27 am

    IMO, THE DEFENSE IS PAYING ALL OF THESE PEOPLE TO SAY THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE SAYING. AND AS FOR HORNSBY, HE’S MADE HIS REMARKS AGAINST BAEZ AND THE WAY HE IS HANDELING THIS CASE. THEY SHOULD ALL BE ASHAME OF THEM SELVES AND JUDGE STRICKLAND NEEDS TO IMPOSE A GAG ORDER ON THE DEFENSE. AND FOR LYONS TO SPEAK SO ILL OF WOMEN PROSECUTORS, MAKES ME THINK SHE IS A SWITCH HITTER IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

  109. Bswayzee said, on November 25, 2009 at 1:38 am

    Dear WJS on another note thank you once again for your excellent comments , I am shocked at the attack on you and Kathi B from Richard whoeverby, pretty poor and transparent, I read that he has given advice to jose baez so maybe this was his idea / motion and he was enraged when you pointed out the mistakes and folly of it. oh and by the way the story that andrea lyon told about the juror that she hand picked and who won the day for her , who started knitting and said I am going to vote not guilty let me know when you want to join me…………..that is right out of an old movie , she lifted the whole scene lock stock and barrel , I think it is called murder most foul , how dumb does she think we all are , like I said she has so much in common with casey !

  110. CeeA said, on November 25, 2009 at 1:47 am

    the defense is trying really hard to delay this trial as much as they can…in order for the memories to not as clear for the states witnesses etc..the longer they do that however..and claim her innocence..MAKES ONE WONDER…WHY DELAY AND SEND MOTION AFTER MOTION…DRAGGING EVERYONE INTO THIS MURDER EXCEPT OF COURSE THE GUILTY PARTY THAT SITS IN JAIL…

    IF SHE WERE INNOCENT..HER LAWYER WOULD OF DEMANDED A SPEEDY TRIAL!!!!

  111. Kl said, on November 25, 2009 at 1:59 am

    Seems that Richard Hornsby may think eliciting this type of public response is just fine against Mr. Evan’s client today:

    “ewingshannon (4 hours ago)
    I’m concerned about the impact the latest info on Kronk may have on jurors: the claims by ex-wives of kidnapping and using duct tape to restrain, as well as concerns about him being around young girls (a three-year-old niece, no less). I dont believe Kronk had anything to do with Caylee’s murder. And theres so much evidence of guilt and motive pointing toward Casey. I do believe that on his “day off” from work, Kronk placed Caylee’s remains where they were found the following day, as the defense claims. The prosecution should portray Kronk for what he is: a sleazy opportunist who went looking for a dead childs remains so he could cash in. He probably even held onto the remains until the timing was right, hoping the reward money would increase over time. That would explain why Caylee wasnt found by others. I cant wait for the Kronk testimony at trial!”

    Caylee’s body wasn’t found by others, because it was under water and no complete search was done for the same reason– Buchanan witness walked ‘past’ the area but on higher ground along the road, NOT where the body actually was, the defense carefully crafted her sworn statement to make people ‘assume’ what they should not assume. It was deceptively crafted– not proof, not complete– makes a fool of anyone who doesn’t think when they read it.

    Mr. Schaeffer has stood up to say this is NOT ok, and this may be against his collegues wishes in a defense ‘anything goes to win no matter what innocent person is taken down’.

  112. Miss Demeanor said, on November 25, 2009 at 2:24 am

    Mr. Sheaffer, I thank you again for providing some real information to the public concerning the State of Florida vs. Casey Anthony. Personally, the Andrea Lyon flailex is the proverbial straw for me, because my brilliant but often unscrupulous father/lawyer used to boast about getting criminals out of trouble. Andrea Lyon’s contribution to the Anthony trial is heaping duplicity upon duplicty ad infinitum. Not only is the defense swallowing all Casey’s fabrications, they are enabling her in the same manner as did her parents, and hat enabling ended in a deadly manner, didn’t it? From the Anthonys’ declasse gum-chewing, tattoo-mongering to the worst level of Casey’s crimes-from her promiscuity, drug use, thefts, lies and “alleged” (yeah, right) murder of her daughter, I KNOW the public has had enough. For Andrea Lyon to join the smarmy, smirking Jose Baez–who would do well to assume a little humility and lose his shiny suits with coordinating, fake handkerchieves–is more than most can tolerate, all at public expense, no doubt. While I remain mindful of your request not to judge all defense attorneys by the behavior of Lyon, all this leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and I so hope someone on the jury has also heard the tape’s remarks. It is likely Lyon will address that issue in voir dire, too, but I hope it will not matter and that the prosecution will get a conviction. Winning at all costs just to save a life is stupid. In something written recently, there was a reference to whether Casey would be a danger to society if she was released. Of course she would. A tiger cannot change its stripes any more than Casey Anthony can change her sociopathy. Ms. Lyon needs to be sentenced to live next door to the “old woman with blue hair and who carries a ‘real pocketbook’,” to quote this loathsome, vituperative creature, although Lyon would not be aware of her neighbor, because the view from Lyon’s mirror is all she wants to see. “Strap-ons,” indeed. Takes one to know one. Both Lyon and Baez qualify for need-based scholarships to attend Gerry Spence’s “lawyers’ camp.”

  113. Olivia said, on November 25, 2009 at 4:17 am

    Every time I hear the word “sausage”, I will unfortunately now see Ms. Lyons vile mouth and mug dancing in my head.

    Oh well, all the more reason to go vegetarian.

    Thanks, Mr. Bill, and we love you; Hornsby be damned!

  114. Tubesocks said, on November 25, 2009 at 4:35 am

    There’s already a letter writing campaign to the bar association and depaul university to get that mendacious, disgusting, dishonest piece of human garbage disbarred and fired. Probably won’t happen, but the public has had enough. I don’t know how we got to the point we have with OJ and similar outrages, but it’s so transparent that the attorney will do anything to win, whether or not it makes sense or is just. We refuse to accept this behavior from self righteous manipulative hateful scum anymore.

    Remember, the defense tried to originally say that Caylee was alive! Then, there was supposedly no duct tape, now there is…then that mentally ill blowhard Macaluso blustered to the court that they had evidence that the body was moved (which they have not provided to anyone)…THEN Roy Kronk comes up and suddenly the story changes yet again…and they want us to believe he’s suspicious because he has some angry ex wives. Wow, how uncommon!

    Bottom line is that the defense will change their story and lie lie lie to make whatever story is easiest to manipulate (they are lazy thinkers). We need some serious legal reform NOW.

  115. Dianne said, on November 25, 2009 at 5:47 am

    Poor Caylee. If I could undo all this for her I would. She may be in heaven, but this case will never leave the pit of hell.

  116. Gahoundawg said, on November 25, 2009 at 8:15 am

    Miss Demeanor said, on November 25, 2009 at 2:24 am
    ——————————-

    Outstanding comments!!

  117. Gahoundawg said, on November 25, 2009 at 8:25 am

    Mr. Sheaffer….

    If your “peers” are gonna throw you under a bus for calling a vile, repulsive Lyon out, I’m quite sure they would have a COW for you to discuss what I am about to ask, but I feel like if enough of us keep asking, Somehow we will eventually get an answer, so that being said…..

    CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE MONEY THIS DEFENSE IS COSTING AND WHERE IT IS COMING FROM?

    1) In your estimation, how many hours billed at $200 or $300 an hour do you think Jose Baez et al has billed? and what is your estimated total cost of this Defense team? (don’t forget the 6 hours a day for the 6 weeks or so at his office)

    2) If they are defending Casey for the Publicity (are they by the way?), would you still generate a billable hours statement, and then just write it off as a loss?

    3) If they ARE NOT defending Casey for publicity and are expecting to be paid at some point (because CASEY couldn’t afford gas for her car and we ALL KNOW THIS… How is this working? Money can ONLY come from Media, how does this scenario work?

    Thanks! (You have a legion of supporters by the way standing up for you, since you stand up for Caylee Anthony and Show some Morality in an otherwise Absurd Legal bubble with this case)

  118. Autumn Leaf said, on November 25, 2009 at 8:29 am

    Mr. Shaeffer: I’m wondering if Lyon’s “seminar” qualified for Florida CLE (Continued Legal Education) credits for the attending lawyers and paralegals. I would hope not. Her rantings although may be interesting to some, may have influenced inexperienced attorneys to take on her method of browbeating a jury panel. What a steamroller this “woman” is. Being in the legal profession I’ve sat in on many trials and observed many juries. Total turnoff to a jury in every way, and I would think and believe she’d be shut down by a judge real quick, and not in a good way. Ugly is as ugly does.How could ANYONE have any respect for this person?

  119. CeeA said, on November 25, 2009 at 8:34 am

    I am impatiently waiting to see what Kronk has to say in response to all of this. They are surely as outraged as the public is to see such vile and absurd allegations not only from these ex’s, one of whom CAN’T RECALL if she placed a protective order in place for her daughter regarding claims of Kronk introducing child porn to her but the dirty pool playing defense scheme team

    These ex’s ALL THE SUDDEN have alot to say and by the sounds of things…they don’t hold much credibility in their BREAKING NEWS….

    I have not seen one piece of evidence supporting any of their claims yet the defense files a motion…one that is once again NOT filed properly.

    Mr. Bill ~ How do you see the judge reacting to this motion as well as the defense now asking for ALL TES RECORDS…HAVEN’T WE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THIS …if there is a few more searchers…then ask for them…he wants all records so he can then FILE ANOTHER MOTION….TO DELAY THE TRIAL…cause with the check fraud case ( Whine Whine) we don’t have enough time to properly go through the thousands of searchers in time for trial…you can thank your client for the fraud trial bozo! She is a criminal on many levels…SUCK IT UP PRINCESS…DEAL WITH IT!

  120. FRG said, on November 25, 2009 at 8:49 am

    I agree with many people that Ms. Lyon should be disbarred and if all they need is to act, pay a good acting coach, there are so many out there. From what I saw Ms. Lyon preaching on the tape who needs to go to Law School anyway. That ‘s bad bad way to teach young lawyers, how to lie and HOW TO INTIMIDATE people, amongst other dirty games just to win a case!!! That’s very DISTURBING TO ME!!! These are people suppose to preach JUSTICE. Judges should put a stop on this type of defense. I am so disgusted by what I have seen. This is so sick, I am in disbelief!!!!
    So now Mr. Baez started babbling his 4 experts (how they are being paid just God knows) can’t wait to cross-examine Mr. Henkel from FBI. Should we believe all of these so called “experts”… I would ask “experts on what?” Getting a mistrial for criminals, all they are good at is smoke and mirrors!!!!
    Thanks Mr. Sheaffer for standing up for little Caylee!!!!
    We all love you and respect your opinion!!!

  121. westx2 said, on November 25, 2009 at 8:54 am

    ARGENTINA ROSE: agreed appears to be a muff diver to me

  122. Hazaka said, on November 25, 2009 at 8:56 am

    At the risk of “offending” ….. is there anyone on this blog who has not made up his or her mind as to guilt of Casey? Is this a duplicate ….. except for the legal explaination offered by Bill …. as ……TCD???? I guess what I am asking … is there anyone here for the legal aspects and not damnning the Anthony’s and the legal defense?? Just curious .. :-)

  123. Hazaka said, on November 25, 2009 at 9:01 am

    Curious as to what happened to my last post?

  124. lilone said, on November 25, 2009 at 9:17 am

    Does this evidence against Roy Kronk advance Casey Anthony’s defense, or does it have a prejudicial effect on the state’s case?

    (Williams Rule=prosecution; Reverse Williams Rule=defense)

    “IF A DEFENDANT’S PURPOSE IS TO SHIFT SUSPICION FROM HIMSELF TO ANOTHER PERSON, EVIDENCE OF PAST CRIMINAL CONDUCT OF THAT OTHER PERSON SHOULD BE OF SUCH NATURE THAT IT WOULD BE ADMISSIBLE IF THAT PERSON WERE ON TRIAL FOR THE PRESENT OFFENSE.”

    If I understand this correctly, then by requesting a ruling on the admission of this evidence, defense is preserving their right to an appeal without having to fly their witnesses in to offer the evidence a 2nd time. Is this correct?

  125. lilone said, on November 25, 2009 at 9:23 am

    Richard Hornsby strikes me as a jealous, low-hitting, vengeful and arrogant narcissist. His recent dramatic blog production, his disrespect and total lack of class repulses me. Like Hulk Hogan, he should take the “high road” and resist lowering himself to what I perceive as revenge. It’s all about perception, according to an attorney I heard speak recently.

  126. Fidget said, on November 25, 2009 at 9:54 am

    WJS thank you for the wonderful addition to the Caylee Anthony case.

    Despite her outlandish and rude comments at the lawyer convention, I am surprised she attached her name to the newly filed motion.

    Was it NOT indicated by the judge that the only information Baez would receive would be info on the individuals who searched the area *under the direction* of TES? Neither of the individuals who searched that specific area did so under the direction of TES. They conducted the search ON THEIR OWN. One specifially states this and the other, although a TES searcher, does not state he conducted the search under the direction of TES. He just used their paperwork and submitted it TES.

    Is this not correct?

  127. Dee said, on November 25, 2009 at 10:03 am

    Hazaka, we have eyes,ears and brains, innocent till proven guilty, is the jury’s job, not ours, from all I have seen…Hello? You’d have to be in complete denial not to see that her actions have proven time and time again, she is a big fat baby murdering physchopath..JMO

  128. Hazaka said, on November 25, 2009 at 10:12 am

    Dee said,
    =========================
    In no way construe my comment as my belief in her innocense……… just posing a question for thought!

  129. linda from jersey said, on November 25, 2009 at 10:14 am

    Hazaka,

    I believe that Casey is guilty, and I believe that even with all the legal wrangling by the defense. I am sure thater is much eveidence the state has yet to release that is more incriminating than what they have released so far, I think the defense knows that and therefore the ridiculous antics they are exhibiting have come to be. The mountains of
    circumstancial evidence points directly back to Casey & Hopespring Drive, and as far as I am aware, there are very few direct witnesses to murder.

    The defense seems to want people to believe that because she did it in private and no one saw her do it, she didn’t do it.

    The lies and cover-ups, the backtracking, the pathetic attempts to railroad innocent people by the defense, and unfortunately the family of the tiny defenseless victim in this case is what has turned this into a circus.

    I respect you choice to think as you do, I am sure you mean well.

  130. CeeA said, on November 25, 2009 at 10:37 am

    westx – ya lyon and her side kick bush pig baeden….

  131. CeeA said, on November 25, 2009 at 10:49 am

    Hazaka – Simply put…you need to have an IQ to be able to start up a computer ~ open up the blog ~ have a thought process both input and output…anyone that supports the ant camp or their murderous killer daughter has none of the above…

    So to answer your question….NO…

    The other thing is I’m sure nobody wants this blog to be about support/convict brawl so I am happy NOT to have someone here bashing us for believing what is so obvious.

    CASEY ANTHONY IS GUILTY OF MURDERING HER BABY!

  132. Mort Snerd said, on November 25, 2009 at 11:03 am

    I have not made a decision on anyone’s guilt regarding the death of Caylee Antony. As the trial has not started and under our system of justice, only evidence introduced at trail can be used by fact finders. Attorney comments both pro and con are their opinions only. I do believe that a capital crime has been committed. There is no possible action performed by Caylee to account for being stuffed inside of two bags with duct tape over her mouth. The conditions under which the body was found were not accidental in nature.

    Sincerely,
    Mort Snerd

  133. Hazaka said, on November 25, 2009 at 11:03 am

    CeeA —– I think your reply was snarky — and uncalled for ….this is,to my understanding….a “legal” blog …. I was raising a question for discussion– you have no idea of what I think, who I am … and what my thoughts are ….. otehr blogs are a “venting” place …. didn’t think this was one as well…. as Bill said … lets be kind to each other ——————–

  134. Fidget said, on November 25, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Hazaka, I made up my mind about Casey’s guilt the minute I found out she didn’t report her daughter missing (a legality) and saw her prance in front of the camera in her stolen jersey (another legality) with that evil, pompous and arrogant smirk (opinion).

    However, I do like to discuss the legal aspects of the case and have posted a legal question concerning the latest motion filing by the defense. If you would like to discuss legal issues as well, then please tell me how the defense could file such a motion? If you read Baez’s motion, even HE himself states in the motion that Judge Strickland only agreed to handing over information pertaining to those searchers “under the direction” of TES who searched inthat specific area.

    It is hard to not “damn” the defense with this type of motion, but if you can find something different, and, more importantly, a legally sound reason, for his newest motion, please post it.

  135. A Bar Room Brawl « said, on November 25, 2009 at 11:12 am

    [...] morning, a post appeared on Bill Sheaffer’s blog. Titled, Witness for the Prosecution or Fall Guy for the Defense?, it suddenly vanished into thin air and reappeared later in a completely re-edited form. What [...]

  136. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on November 25, 2009 at 11:56 am

    Marinade Dave…Altruistic Why not post on your blog about the shallow and YES
    hypocritical!

    You know the Attorney Game et al, albeit any of the blog fodder. Just trying to stir the pot, tsk tsk.

  137. sterling1462 said, on November 25, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    Mr. Sheaffer and Kathi Belich

    You guys need to do “a month in review” of all motions, evidence, and stupidity by the Defense.
    And run it on the First of every month. That would be informative and quite entertaining.
    Dont forget to attach the many National Media Blitz’s the Defense is doing.
    And the outstanding motions that have not been ruled on by the Judge.

  138. TJ said, on November 25, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    Hazaka,

    This is a circumstantial evidence case. Everyone is aware of that fact. However, even the DEFENSE has stated that the evidence makes Casey look guilty. They keep going on and on about how they will have their day in court and they have some “bombshell” evidence that will prove Casey’s innocence, but they’ve yet to produce that evidence. Their mouths keep flapping but only garbage comes out. Nothing SUBSTANTIAL. So if their client IS innocent, where is the proof? I don’t call speculation from Kronk’s ex-wives “proof” of anything other than bad feelings from a relationship gone sour. “Prior Bad Acts” is worthless without something to actually TIE KRONK to the kidnapping & death of Caylee Anthony. There is none. They have produced NO EVIDENCE that Kronk kidnapped & killed that baby. If they think he did it….then WHEN did he do it? HOW did he do it? And where is the proof of such claims? Again, there is none because it never happened. The defense is making a piss-poor attempt at misdirection and it appears to be backfiring on them. They did the same with Zenaida Gonzales, Richard & Jesse Grund….those didn’t work either. So who is next after Kronk?

  139. frankie said, on November 25, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    I highly question the qualifications of lyons. If this ignorance is the best the courts can do in allowing attorneys to be “officers of the court”, we are in serious trouble. This woman may be all that stands between a human being and his/her death. It is frightening that one would have to rely on such an individual, one full of hate and flippant disregard of the nature of other people. She should be disbarred and not ever allowed to teach again.

    Mr. Sheaffer, don’t Attorneys take some sort of oath, like Doctors take the Hippocratic oath? This is outrageous in every sense of the word and I cannot believe these people, baez and lyons, are considered viable Officers of the Court. Heck, even Notaries are held to higher standards!

  140. Kl said, on November 25, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    There is an illustration of the elevation maps of the woods where the body was found with how the water levels were the in early August and how they were on an early date in September.

    Ms. Buchanan either is lying through her teeth to aid the defense, or the defense has selected things to deceive the public about where that ‘searcher’ actually stepped. The searcher Buchanan knows she signed a sworn ‘deception’.

    The body was under 1 and 3/4 feet (predicted by the models) in early September, while it was clear of water in August when Mr. Kronk (the persecuted falsely, Mr. Kronk) saw what he saw, and made his calls.

    Want to see for yourself? Go to Hinkymeter and check Valhall’s work, and check out the comments from forsensic scientists who gave a thumbs up for excellent work.

  141. Kl said, on November 25, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    Remember, shutting down the voice of WFTV in part, works nicely for the opposition media giants in what is, remember, ‘SWEEPS MONTH’.

  142. RS said, on November 25, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    A Bar Room,

    It is called editing.

    See, when you have a blog there is a feature where you can go in and edit the content of your post, or story, you can take a word that has been misspelled and correct it.

    Here is another example: for example, if you made an error in claiming tapes are gone from a website, when they are not, well gosh, all you do is select edit feature for that post, and you can correct an error of a claim about tapes, or something represented as fact that is in fact not factual.

    If, as a further example, you have made a mistake with a claim, and you also have a spelling error or two, you can delete that post so as not to further unintentionally mislead people who might otherwise continue to read had you not deleted it whilst you take a copy and fix the issues and then repost it once you are satisfied with the content.

    Hope that helps solve your curiosity about blogs and blog content options that are available.

  143. Kl said, on November 25, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    Ms. Lyon belittled the surviving victim of her client, Mr. Eric Wrinkles, making a joke on her lecture tapes (the one that has ‘disappeared, the second half of the lecture is nowhere on the net), about the survivor who was courageous enough to go on Oprah. (her client too, was on Oprah from his death row cell).

    “I had this very strange case where…my client killed his mother, father and aunt, and near killed his sister in law, who survived to be on the Oprah Show, as if I didn’t have enough God Da***ed problems… [snickering from the lawyer audience] …and ahh…. anyway… ”

    Now we hear of Ms. Lyon’s great ‘win’ record– this is one that they don’t talk about– well, it’s all the survivor’s fault and Oprah’s fault. This was a man scorned, in a marital dispute, wiped out his whole immediate family.

    Ms. Lyon’s failure. She has no perfect record as they would like us to believe. She is an world-class actor, knows how to play each role to the public starting the day she arrived in Orlando and was announced.

  144. Kl said, on November 25, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Mr. Kronk’s August calls ‘water levels’ in the woods area where the body was found and why the defense is spinning tales with their idea that there was no water there to stop searchers.

    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/

    Look at the two maps– and full explanation of how the researcher arrived at those results.

  145. silverbullit said, on November 25, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    This should add an interesting twist to the civil case. Wonder how loud John Morgan and Keith Mitnick yelled when they heard of the new accusation? It almost sounds like an admission that she lied about ZFG.

  146. Kl said, on November 25, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    This comment is from the creator of those maps: (go to http://www.hinkymeter.com story is close to the top of the page and dated yesterday Nov 24th).

    Valhall is responding to a comment that Ms. Buchanan, the one whose sworn “statement” appears with the latest Motion to Get TES records, would NOT have walked over the area where the body was located, not in September, she did not.

    Valhall adds: (site gives permission to use selected credited contents so will do that here for the purposes of sharing)

    Quote:

    “The statement is made they walked along the fence line, which as I pointed out in the first entry on this, would put them about 40 feet away from the body. The only way they could get closer was to turn north and walk along Suburban Drive. As can be seen in the topo map, there is a fairly steep slope from the roadside down toward where Caylee was. This is also proven out by the account we have that when Cain showed up for one of Kronk’s calls I believe he fell on the slippery slope there as he was either attempting to go in, or come back out. But by the time September came, it would have been very muddy, extremely slippery, and if you lost your footing, you would have been headed toward water, so I don’t see these searchers getting all that close. Not close enough to see through the dense foliage and under water to see a black bag.”

    Unquote

    KUDOS to Valhall for excellent forensic work.

    Now, will Judge Strickland buy the defense’s ‘twisted’ Buchanan statements or will he notice there is a real problem with the argument that Buchanan walked over the remains. Also, there would be no smell, the body was completely skeletonized, AND it was in a smelly swamp UNDER water as Valhall illustrates. No buzzards would be attracted in September, and the foliage and bushes were thick, insect activity was long over (no more flesh). And the area slippery– we shall see if Judge Strickland is paying attention to what Ms. Buchanan ‘says’ and what is missing from her statement that proves her ‘conclusion’ a fallacy.

  147. Kl said, on November 25, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    Silverbullit– check out what’s happening with the civil case– they are asking it to be moved onto the docket for the next trial date. (www.forthepeople.com, link to the ZG case and look on the top right of the files– this newly filed motion is there, Casey’s lawyer has been served)

  148. TJ said, on November 25, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    Check out this link from DePaul University –

    http://newsroom.depaul.edu/NewsReleases/showNews.aspx?NID=2141

    Have the comments made by Andrea Lyon in regards to judges, jurors, prosecutors, etc…been picked up by the mainstream media? Or did the story get squashed first?

    I’m just shocked that DePaul would advocate for a person of that low character.

  149. Fidget said, on November 25, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    Let’s play along with the defense and say that Kronk had something to do with the death of Caylee. The lab reports (including the Body Farm) suggest Caylee (and no other person) was, at one time, in the trunk of the car, with her poor little body going through the decomp process for 2-3 days.

    If this is the case, Kronk would have had to kill Caylee and then place her into Casey’s car, without her knowing. Casey would, of course, not know any of this and would have driven around for a few days with the stentch and without realizing Caylee’s little body was there. Kronk would have then had to get access to the car again BEFORE June 24th (the time George said he saw the inside of the trunk of the car) , get caylee, keep her somewhere else, wait until December to bring her to her final resting place – a place her Mom used to play as a child.

    That HAS to be the most far reatching scenario I have ever heard. Ever.

  150. CeeA said, on November 25, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    Hazakar – My friend your are mistaken…my post certainly was not meant to be SNARKY as you so politely put it…It had a tone of sarcasm to it perhaps but clearly if you or anyone else can’t see how GUILTY this animal is then let’s just say I’m glad I have the ability to input/output.

    Don’t get so defensive, I don’t pretend to know you nor did I didn’t say anything that would suggest anything toward you on a personal level…I SIMPLY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION…if you don’t like my answer consider not asking any others.your not always going to take a post the way it was meant..this is the internet….just a suggestion.

    I was not unkind to you, nor did I mention any names, I gave my personal opinion on ANYONE who still can’t see how guilty she is…that’s my right.

  151. awareinflorida said, on November 25, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    I just wanted to leave a comment to tell you Mr. Sheaffer that I really enjoy your blog as I’m sure everyone does. And to the bloggers who have devoted much time doing research from all the documents and news stories out there, I want to say Thank You for being so diligant in your quest for justice for Caylee. I enjoy reading all your posts and when I need a good laugh I know I can find several. Happy Thanksgiving to all the bloggers who have cared enough to take time out of their day to fight for what they believe in.

  152. Hazaka said, on November 25, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    CeeA —————————- I never mentioned what I think …. in fact, I clearly stated that no one should construe my belief in her guilt or innocense from my question … I was raising a question … again … there are blogs in which posters rant and rave about the Anthony’s in quite despicable terms … .. just wasn’t thinking this blog was that sort of thing…. .. no harm no foul….. seems that you are quite emotional….. I just posed a question ……………. enjoy the day….

  153. CeeA said, on November 25, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Hazaka – FYI – That wasn’t venting either…lighten up buddy! sheesh!!!

  154. FRG said, on November 25, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    Mr. Sheaffer,
    HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!!!!
    To all of the bloggers as well!!!!

  155. CeeA said, on November 25, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    ok…allow me to humbly bow before you on my knees and apologize for NOT responding in legal terms or definitions derived from the stack of law books I have at my feet.

    LMAO – Thanks you enjoy your day too…I intend to…

    oh ya, yes I am very emotional about the death of this little girl that I have followed from the time she vanished, to the day she was found to present! I have cried over the murder of this precious angel many many times..I watched her pathetic funeral service her pathetic grand parents gave her ( or should I say to CMA). Caylee marie anthony is engraved in my heart along with many thousands of others who care about her!

    so forgive me if I have already formed my opinion on this case…I’ve seen everything and read everything there is to know so my opinion is well informed.

    lastly…I did not and I repeat, did not say anything about YOU or your belief…and yes..you posed a question I answered…you didn’t like it and felt the need to call me out on it…
    Can we move along now…

  156. mikka said, on November 25, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    bill for you and your family,HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!

  157. Hazaka said, on November 25, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    CeeA —0- wow … the steam is going to kill my new computer …….. you remind me of a young man who was on TCD back in the summer …… calm down…. watch your blood pressure ….. :-)

  158. susan said, on November 25, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    Please Hazaka and CeeA move your squabble along now, or if your not able why don’t you exchange email addy’s and the two of you can rumble bumble all day long about it. I personally and tired of shoveling through it and that is meant to be both snarky and sarcastic. For everyone else posting your intresting and thought provoking comments here. Thank you and thank you Mr. Sheaffer!

  159. WOW said, on November 25, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    I believe the same thing happened on Marinade Dave’s sight not long ago when he was defending the Anthony’s about their little cruise….. sooooo, (A bar room brawl) a/k/a Marinade Dave shouldn’t act surprised about a blog with backlash being removed.

    Shit don’t stink if you don’t stir it, right Mr. Bill?

  160. JohnR. said, on November 25, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    I wonder what the Anthonys think of Ms. Lyon’s filthy mouth? I think,imo, that she is going to tear them apart when this goes to trial. For instance: Cindy’s controlling behavior, verbal and physical abuse, intense anger over Casey’s stealing and nightclubbing to name just a few. Cindy has met her “match” in Lyons…

  161. Thinker Belle said, on November 25, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    I recall that post MD did about the cruse. IMO, the main gist of it was that people micro analyze the Anthony family and all their friends. Furthermore, what does that have to do with this man’s blog? I don’t get the connection.

  162. WOW said, on November 25, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    A Bar Room Brawl « said, on November 25, 2009 at 11:12 am
    [...] morning, a post appeared on Bill Sheaffer’s blog. Titled, Witness for the Prosecution or Fall Guy for the Defense?, it suddenly vanished into thin air and reappeared later in a completely re-edited form. What [...]

    Sounds to me Dave is questioning the content of the article that vanished….IMO this is the same thing he did with his post about the Anthony’s and their infamous cruise. I think that’s the connection, Thinker.

  163. pip said, on November 25, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    Think about it this. A question I asked Mr. Hornsby on his blog:
    Mr. Hornsby, it is your assessment that by Mr. Scheaffer, allegedly releasing these tapes, has in essence made it more difficult for the state to get a more favorable jury, thus damaging the state’s case against Casey. Reasonably then, if this is the end result, can we equally conclude that it is just as likely that the defense leaked these tapes for their benefit? If jurors will be weeded also via admitting knowledge of hearing these tapes, it would suggest they probably also haven’t been following the case very closely, rendering the most optimum seated jurors for the defenses case. And where exactly do you fit into this picture? As the messenger, are you are executing the defenses strategy? Something is smelling fishy in Or-lawn-do.

    Pip November 25th, 2009 at 14:57 | #20 Reply | Quote Waiting for the defenses morning show circuit to commence, where they discuss Mr. Scheaffer leaking these tapes, do I have that correct?

  164. JohnR. said, on November 25, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    I agree with Bill as far as how/when the decision will be made about Casey A. Once the Jury has “settled in” and has a chance to go over and study all the FACTS put before them, and can question/debate each other over everything they are reading, have heard in the courtroom etc….then, and only then will a decision be made as to wheather Casey will get the DP or a lesser sentence,

    HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO BILL, AND ALL THE BLOGGERS

  165. pip said, on November 25, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    Comment to Hornsby- PART 2
    Brilliant! Kill two birds with one stone. Knock out the defenses media nemesis.. WFTV. And also gain a tool (the tapes leaked) to be used for weeding out unwanted jurors, leaving the most pro-defense minded to be seated. So Scheaffer is the straw man, and the defense gave you the matchsticks. Is this just a favor to a fellow defense attorney or are you officially a part of the dream team now?

  166. CeeA said, on November 25, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    Ok Hazka…enough already! Get over yourself and stop. I really don’t need anymore back and forth…if ya didn’t like my comment…is this any better…come on…nobody likes this nonsense in a blog..and trust me…neither do I …so let this go please…no harm done..you misinterpreted my post but it’s over …

  167. vicki said, on November 25, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    My question is this, if the defense continues to file these false and incorrect motions, could they be removed from the case? The judge may just see these motions as incorrect and assume that if the lawyers can’t even file a correct motion, that they are not competent enough to defend in a court room and appoint Ms. Anthony a public defender. I don’t know much about law, but I always thought the judge was not supposed to let possibilities and emotions get in the way, but rule on the facts presented. He was presented with an incorrect motion in a very important case, regardless of the defense’s motive for filing such a motion.

  168. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on November 25, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    Vicki~ very astute post. Good Job! Perhaps, now that the WAR of WORDS. Instigated by RH that enjoys the rancor, and overtly desires to be a part of a defense, that will go down in flames, sorta of the reverse” scorched earth analogy”.

    This is nothing more than the DEFENSE Playing the I got you back game.
    Someone got spanked in the media. Initials AL…..yup and didn’t like to have the soft underbelly exposed. RH seized the opportunity! Too bad, because folks are way savvy to fall for this garbage.

  169. pip said, on November 25, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    Comments to Hornsby PART3 (INTERESTING…HE IS NOW MODERATING MY COMMENTS..THIS ONE IS PENDING “MODERATION”) Have I painted a valid scenario here?
    I’m having a hard time believing Mr. Sheaffer would be dumb enough to leak these tapes. He may be a bit out of practice, as you say, but certainly he would understand the ramifications to himself/WFTV and in doing so. He would also know it would be harmful more to the prosecution than the defense when it comes time to select a jury. You’re saying he’d risk that all for a story? Convince me the defense didn’t leak them. Do you have proof you can provide, other than your word? Also proof that he has to resign or be kicked out of the FACDL? You are stirring the pot without back-up to your claims thus far.

  170. Kl said, on November 25, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Mr. Schaeffer, to Lyon’s tactics, Sgt. Allen and his team of investigators, and every person who ‘handled’ Casey Anthony, will be in for a hard time on the stand.

    From a Chicago Tribune blog article:

    “In court, Lyon, who is 6 feet tall, would put on quite a show…

    She says she once cross-examined a police officer so ferociously that he came off the witness stand and tried to choke her.

    “That,” she says, “was a good moment.”

    “I do a lot of acting,” says Lyon…

    Prosecutors use words like “dangerous” to describe her. “No question, when you went to try a case against her, you went to war,” says Anthony Calabrese, who was in the Cook County state’s attorney’s office for 13 years.

    “She can bully a judge as easily as a prosecutor, and if she senses any weakness, she’ll exploit it in a minute. ”

    Now we know why Ms. Lyon is so incredibly attentive to Ms. Drane Burdick, and every player in the courtroom– she watches carefully.

  171. RS said, on November 25, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    pip,

    I believe you are wasting your time, IMO you will not get an unbiased response if any from him anymore than you would from MD who has glaringly inserted himself into it.

    And all this does IMO is drag manure here away from where it belongs which is where it was deposited.

  172. holly said, on November 25, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    Andrea Lyon Speaks At Conference In 2008 – Part 1

    Andrea Lyon Speaks At Conference In 2008 – Part 2

  173. pip said, on November 25, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    Well, by Hornsby assessing himself that the release of these tapes is beneficial to the defense, it does beg the question as to whether the defense did in fact release the tapes, and is he instrument in the execution of the strategy. I have posted several times on his blog and have never had a comment put into “pending moderation” until I brought this up. What does that tell YOU?

  174. FRG said, on November 25, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    Kl @ 4:19 pm
    You are right, her tactics are I would call “INTIMIDATION” and you are right she is tall and I can’t say the rest here LOL… but anyway, it doesn’t mean that people are not prepared… you have to be smarter than she is. I watched the Menendez trial and their lawyer, also a woman she even cried and coached the boys to make up stories on the stand and all of those tactics Lyon uses, I believe Judge has punished her… who here can help me on that?? I believe Lyon’s intimidation tactics may not work on everybody and now more than ever that we all know the way she tries to work with people’s mind. It’s all a dirty game to me.
    Does anybody here think Lyon is narcissistic??? I found very telling in that video. She has high regards about herself. Well, no ethics though.
    She is sick to me. IMO

  175. pip said, on November 25, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    When he puts the lid on the “important questions”, I think my question has been answered quite clearly.

  176. linda from jersey said, on November 25, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    It fascinates me that so many people feel threatened by Mr. Scheaffer. I am sure that an attorney, whether they be a defense attorney or a prosecutor, with the time in that Mr. Scheaffer has, is far to aware of ramifications that follow anything they do that is unethical, or illegal. To think oitherwise is silly. I think, and this is just MY opinion, that Mr. Hornsby for whatever reason, wants in on this hugh case. He wants to be as publically recognized as Jose Baez, Bill Scheaffer et al. It would not surprise me at all that this leak came purposely from the defense. I truly believe there is nothing they would stop at to win. There will be much money in this for them, and that is what it’s all been about from day one.

  177. Evangeline said, on November 25, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    MD- he’s better than you in every category that counts. As a human being, class, intelligence, success….get over it. It’s showing again..the green eyed monster. Why don’t you take it back to your cesspool…and leave it there. It was starting to calm down here & there you come with your nasty self.

  178. pip said, on November 25, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    Hornsby needs to put up or shut up. It’s as simple as that. Show me the money.

  179. Jeansee said, on November 25, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    Hornsby says WAA WAA WAA!!!! Sounds like some Defense Lawyers got caught with their pants down!!! Why so much attention to the release of a Theory maker (called Fiction) name calling unethical lecturer like Ms Lyon. Cannot deny she said these things. She even posted part of this on YOU tube herself 8 months ago… except for the truth about her name calling.. Jurors are killers and idiots… We the Public should be outraged that Hornsby and others in his little club are calling Mr. Sheaffer and Kathi Belich evildoers when all they have done is reveal the TRUTH!!!!

    Since when is it wrong to speak truth?
    IMO Some peeps need to get bigger pants and put them on one leg at a time like the rest of us and take the punches of life like the rest of us and accept responsibility for our actions. Instead of sicking our croonies on JUSTICE SEEKERS because things we said was not kind to them and we did not want it out about our actions. IMO

    THANK YOU MR SCHAEFFER and KATHI BELICH for JUSTICE SAKE!!!
    JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE AND CHILDREN LIKE HER!!!

  180. Evangeline said, on November 25, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    Mr. Sheaffer edited the article…so what MD? Are you that desperate to point out this honorable man’s faults? Is that the best you can do? And to think I told people to leave you alone, that it went too far. But you just can’t keep that jealousy in check can you, your attitude, language, name calling…that’s really you isn’t it?

    The truth is you weren’t being egged on or goaded to act like a pompous ass, that’s the real MD and you prove it ALMOST EVERYTIME you open your mouth.

    He’s a better man & didn’t do a thing to you to deserve your wrath, be jealous …keep wishing you were him…BUT do it at that place that’s self destructing before our eyes & let it go.

  181. Evangeline said, on November 25, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    He’s probably getting all worked up into a rage again & will add this to his “BIG BAD FBI REPORT”, good Lord. I know what he is now & this is the last time I confront this small, petty man who inserted himself in the middle of this latest drama caused by a jealous colleague & is using it as an excuse to bully Mr. Sheaffer.

    Go for it md, bet you’re all in a snit. You can write a good article I’ll give you that, and that’s where anything positive about you ends, imo. I thought you defended the Anthonys, you said you didn’t, now after seeing that you are a troublemaker I think maybe you do take up for them because you identify with the worst of society.

    I’m sick of you & at this point you can call in the LE, the FBI & CIA for all I care.

  182. FrankC. said, on November 25, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    Lyons has already started her bully tactics, and I say, have at it ,ol girl! Chicago’s culture is far, far different from Orlandos. What may work there, will be a pile of crappo in Fla. People in Fla. are not at all impressed by a crude woman trying to bully people into making a decision. Fear tactics and rude, crude behavior just won’t cut it with the people of Orlando. IMO.

  183. holly said, on November 25, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    jnetk says to Dave:
    “My opinion only – but as I see it, you are steamed that someone wrote some negative comments about you on the Bill Shaeffer’s blog. You say it doesn’t matter, but you always preface every article you commence new with bringing that up.”

    Then Dave castigates jnetk: “Are you a paranoid schizoid or something worse? You seem to be the obsessed one here. I recommend some serious soul searching and a lengthy visit with a compassionate psychiatrist. Maybe, you got off your Ritalin too young.”

    then later Dave goes on to say:
    “Bill Sheaffer comes across like his you know what doesn’t stink. He is pompous.”

    =============

    What’s with all this Dave, disgusting accusations from you. I see now what other bloggers say about you to be TOTALLY TRUE!

    Get off your high horse !!!

  184. Lilly said, on November 25, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    EVANGALINE: Maybe he needs the attention, or has TOE JAM in his brain. Some people just love too start or create trouble to get attention. It’s pathetic when you really think about it. (maybe a new hobby or girlfriend might help)

  185. Lilly said, on November 25, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    Hey, Maybe he and Andrea can “share a turkey” over Thanksgiing….they are both single, and I’m sure they would have a “fun time” together…then put it on a blog, photos and all!! YEAH! DO IT!

  186. Bonnie said, on November 25, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    I thought that I was really keeping up with all that has gone in this case but guess I BLINKED somwhere, so please, if anyone knows, answer this. Do we know how Casey’s defense team is being funded? Also, since Baez’s really isn’t the sharpest lawyer in the room, is it possible that he will be used as an excuse for a new trial, if the jury finds Casey guilty? Or is it possible that this is plan from the get-go. To go through a trial and if it turns out bad, claim ineffectual representation, try for a new trial, then hope the State would make a deal to save the cost of a do-over. What’cha think?

    Enjoy the blog.

  187. FRG said, on November 25, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    My opinion about Mr. Horsnby is that he wanted attention, the type of attention Mr. Sheaffer gets, Mr. Sheaffer is loved and respected and this type of respect you “EARN”, not throwing a tantrum fit, he sounds like a brat to me. All jealousy!!! IMO
    You go Kathi Belich!!!!
    You go Mr. Sheaffer!!!!

  188. lily said, on November 25, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    EVangaline: Maybe he’s out of his Thorazine! Quick! Get him a pill! (or git outta Dodge!)

  189. FRG said, on November 25, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    Bonnie,
    All I can say is that there was a hearing about the funding issue… Judge Strickland ruled there was no conflict of interest. We know Baez has a deal with Casey and Baez has a deal with LKB, correct me here if I am wrong. Judge Strickland is being cautious and going by the book so there is grounds for an appeal.
    According to Tracy McLaughlin, maybe I misspelled her last name, sorry… Casey told her Baez was looking for a mistrial and this was October 2008.
    Hope that helps.

  190. Eugenia said, on November 25, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    Bonnie, as I recall that question was put to Judge Strickland awhile back, and apparently he felt that who was paying them could be held in confidence.

  191. Bonnie said, on November 25, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    Thanks FRG, that did help. I thought I remembered something about the judge but remember exactly what.

  192. RS said, on November 25, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    Mr. Sheaffer,

    I am absolutely certain your contributions for WFTV viewers to enjoy are part of the reason for this great ratings news for WFTV.

    Clip from Hal Boedeker’s story in Sentinel today:

    WFTV dominates November news ratings; WKMG makes stridesThe ABC affiliate did the best job of attracting the 25-to-54 age group, the viewers most wanted by news advertisers. The ratings period ends today, but stations usually don’t include today’s ratings because it’s a heavy travel day.

  193. Lily said, on November 25, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    HAHAHA!!! Is sissy boy really calling the FBI??? That’s a HOOT HOOT HOORAY!! Maybe he can get his girlie girl A. to deend him!!! YA HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Git a rope!

    Frankly, I think he needs a “good woman” to get him all settled down, and if u ask me her name begins with A. and ends with L…..she’s a biggie, and protect the poor little sissy from ANYTHING (just ask her!) that bothers him. Plus, according to her…her IQ is above 70 and she uses Pioneer Flour.

    (She’s from Chi-car-ee! BIG CITY gal!)

  194. Jeansee said, on November 25, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    Truth be known… Andrea LYON cannot DENY she stated those horrendous claims and insults toward prospective jurors, the judges, proscutors and the public… Besides making a mockery of the Catholic School Face. Cursing and using God’s name in vain as she did in her speech is not TRUTH AND JUSTICE!!
    Hornsby says WAA WAA WAA!!!! Sounds like some Defense Lawyers got caught with their pants down!!! Why so much attention to the release of a Theory maker (called Fiction) name calling unethical lecturer like Ms Lyon. Cannot deny she said these things. She even posted part of this on YOU tube herself 8 months ago… except for the truth about her name calling.. Jurors are killers and idiots… We the Public should be outraged that Hornsby and others in his little club are calling Mr. Sheaffer and Kathi Belich evildoers when all they have done is reveal the TRUTH!!!!

    Since when is it wrong to speak truth?
    IMO Some peeps need to get bigger pants and put them on one leg at a time like the rest of us and take the punches of life like the rest of us and accept responsibility for our actions. Instead of sicking our croonies on JUSTICE SEEKERS because things we said was not kind to them and we did not want it out about our actions. IMO

    THANK YOU MR SCHAEFFER and KATHI BELICH for JUSTICE SAKE!!!
    JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE AND CHILDREN LIKE HER!!!

  195. Fidget said, on November 25, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    I find it rather ironic that anyone would write an entire two pages worth of commentary on a blog concerning the supposed video vs. audio of Lyons and how the audio came to be.

    If you think about it, the entire meaning and downright obsurdity of what Lyon’s stated was entirely lost simple because someone accused another of something that none of know much about.

    Moreso, if I were paying membership to a group and they encouraged and coddled someoen speaking in the manner in which she did, I would gladly turn over my membership.

    The “I told on you” approach is immature and honestly, is downright stupid. Should we expect more of the same “toungue sticking out” and fingers in the ears as well? How stupid.

    The reality is simple: someone who is supposed to uphold justice behaved in manner of injustice, basically claiming it was all just a GAME, a show of drama and a bit of bullying. This is what needs brought to light. I’m glad it was.

    If you simplify it even more, a baby girl, not yet 3 years old, lay rotting in the woods with duct tape over her mouth and bugs eating her skin.

    That’s not a game.

  196. yankee said, on November 25, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    Like the FBI has nothing better to do than deal with the 1st amendment. After all being a citizen of the USA we have “FREEDOM OF SPEECH” and the FBI, CIA are not going to give this guy the time of day. Just an empty threat. Sore losers are like that, they want to take their ball and go home. Should have left things alone. If you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen!

    Great work Kathi & William. Keep it up.

  197. onlyhere4caylee said, on November 25, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    well MD the I f— he is doesn’t even remember when they found caylees body, he had to ask loopy snoopy. real caylee blogger there. sofaking unbelievable

  198. onlyhere4caylee said, on November 25, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    opps posted on wrong blog sorry

  199. Shilo said, on November 25, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    I am so totally lost on this blog. It could be that I am a more visual person, and like to watch the videos. Also, there is talk on here that I have no idea what anyone is talking about. I do not live in FL. so when there is a reference to a news article, I haven’t seen it. I would love to know, why the audios of Ms. Lyons were pulled? Was there threats of legal action from the Baez team? Was it complaints from the public? I just don’t understand. I did see someone had posted they they are still on line somewhere. But when news reports from the beginning are still listed on a side link of the home page, leads me to believe that your station, for some reason decided to pull them for easy listenening. I found them disgusting, and obscene in some senses, but still like to be able to access them. Just for research and TRUTH…something that seems to be lacking from the defense. This is just my opinion but isn’t FL considered part of the bible belt? I am not making any desparaging remarks about anyone, or don’t intend to. I am just a disabled woman who has been following this, not because I am a nut. More for just understanding.

  200. Evangeline said, on November 25, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    Now I’m hearing rumors that WFTV is going to fire their legal expert Bill Sheaffer? If so I give up! It seems all the unscrupulous, illegal, greedy, ugly behavior from everyone involved in the Casey Anthony case is overlooked, accepted. The few good, upstanding professionals like Mr. Sheaffer & Kathi Belich who are standing up to to the ones causing this freak show, trying to get to the truth are being slandered & a target because of professional jealousy. PLEASE TELL ME IF IT’S TRUE, did WFTV fire BS or KB…I HOPE NOT?

    ***************************
    -Mr. Hornsby says- I have been informed that Mr. Sheaffer is being given the option of either resigning from the Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers or being expelled.

    So I only have one question Mr. Sheaffer, was it worth it?

    ***********************************

    -I’ve asked Mr. Hornsby to show documented proof that the Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyer expelled Mr. Sheaffer. I ASKED HIM 5 TIMES ON HIS BLOG TO SHOW PROOF! HE NEVER ANSWERED! If it’s true where is it? Is he the pot calling the kettle black? Or should I say the pot & the kettle because the only liar I see is Mr. Hornsby!

    ***********************************

    None of this is making any sense, why do so few seek justice for Caylee? And the ones who do are targets, some are out to destroy their reputations & careers BECAUSE OF PROFESSIONAL JEALOUSY! They ought to be ashamed & you know who you are, Mr. Hornsby is only one, there are othetrs who’s envy is eating them alive, such an ugly & transparent trait.

  201. Thinker Belle said, on November 25, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    JMO, but, as I recall that some of the (BS) beginning statements were something to the effect of “I’ve been given my marching orders” when referring to starting a blog. I was under the impression that it really wasn’t his idea in the first place. So, why would getting that tape be his idea?

  202. Thinker Belle said, on November 25, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    Why don’t you people talk about MD elsewhere. It has no place on this blog. IMO

  203. Curious1inPolk said, on November 25, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    I agree about taking the MD tirade elsewhere. It is disrepectful to Mr Shaeffer & the rest of us for it to be brought here, take it where it belongs please.

  204. Shilo said, on November 25, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    When does anyone suspect there will be an end to the list of the “walking wounded” in this case? I truly am FED up with all the antics. And am grateful that I do not live anywhere near the stink of this case.

  205. Curious1inPolk said, on November 25, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    Shilo I dont think we’ve even seen the half of it yet. The defense is going to try to drag everyone in their path down. Anything to save the monster in jail now.

  206. pipkin said, on November 25, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    Mr. Sheaffer,

    Please explain the difference between “hung jury” and “mistrial”. What happens in the event of a hung jury, and what happens in the event of a mistrial?

    On this Thanksgiving eve, let’s all take a moment to be thankful for WFTV’s coverage of this case, the fact that Roy Kronk FOUND Caylee’s skeletal remains, and for Mr. Sheaffer’s willingness to share his legal expertise with us.

  207. Evangeline said, on November 25, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    This is from Hornsby’s blog, I repeatedly asked him for proof in regards to Mr. Sheaffer being ‘expelled’ from the Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers & he wouldn’t give me a straight answer. He told me to ask Mr. Sheaffer..sounds like someone avoiding the question to me.

    November 25th, 2009 at 23:06 | #34 Reply | Quote @Richard Hornsby

    -Sooo Richard, I take your answer to me means this… you have no proof & are either exaggerating or lying about Mr. Sheaffer resigning from the Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers or being expelled.

    -So I only have one question Mr. Hornsby, was it worth it?

    ************************

    Oh this is your last day to blog about Mr. Sheaffer? Thank the good Lord, you will go back to being invisible to the public. I know I had my fill of you & hope Mr. Sheaffer continues his excellent reporting as WFTV’s legal expert. Is it true you were passed over for that position & are now trying to get him fired at WFTV? Jealousy has reared it’s ugly head Mr. Hornsby & I’m so glad we will no longer have to witness it from you.

    ************************

    No more discussing Bill Sheaffer…super…great…but I have to see it to believe you! To think you’ll have to get attention on your own merits…can’t wait to see how that works out for you!

  208. Evangeline said, on November 25, 2009 at 11:20 pm

    Richard Hornsby says-

    @evangeline

    He was given an option, resign or be expelled. Ask him which one he is going to choose.

    If he did nothing wrong I am sure he will choose the latter and defend his good name.

    In any event, I am trying to move on from WJS. So starting tomorrow, no more comments regarding WJS from me.

    *********************

    Yeah Richard bla, bla, bla,…I asked for proof!

  209. Evangeline said, on November 25, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    Thinker Belle- I forgot about that thing MD until you brought it up again…thanks a lot! We know where you come from & why you defend him…you fool no one. so if you don’t want us to talk about MD, why are you stirring the pot, I am really doing my best to forget this thing called MD. But every time it settles down here & no one mentions him, there he is with that hald faced avatar inserting himself in between RH & BS’s uh whatever it is started by Hornsby for the same reason the thing MD started his crap..JEALOUSY!

    Quit mentioning it’s name… that might help us forget until he scares everyone again with that weird half face avatar & next bully tactic & appearance on BS’s blog, ok!

  210. Scotswoman said, on November 25, 2009 at 11:41 pm

    As well as his motivation for the rant about the motion in limine, one surely has to question Richard Hornsby’s ability as a defence attorney.

    Rather than type it out again I’ll just cut and paste below one of my posts on his blog

    —————————————————————————————————————

    Richard Hornsby said:

    “So with the legality of Reverse Williams rule evidence established, the admissibility of Ms. Kerley’s claims boils down to this question:”

    “If Roy Kronk was on trial for Caylee Anthony’s murder, would evidence that he has used strikingly similar duct tape to subdue a women be admissible against him as similar fact evidence?”

    end quote
    —————————————————————————————————————–

    I cant believe I missed this ridiculous argument on first reading your rant.

    IF Roy kKronk was on trial for Caylee’s murder…………..lol Are you serious….IF

    Hello…Roy Kronk IS NOT on trial for Caylee’s murder. Casey Anthony was endicted by a grand jury for that crime. And as far as I am aware the brand of duct tape he is being ALLEDGEDLY associated with is not “strikingly similar” to the RARE Henkel, fire resistant industrial grade, limited edition and now discontinued brand found on Caylee’s remains and on George’s gas can AND on a “missing” Caylee poster.

    Furthermore the motion in limine offers no link between Mr Kronk and Caylee Anthony period. Are you actually claiming the Judge should consider hypotheticals as well. This is kinda like your “no smoke without fire” comment which has to be the most outrageous statement a so called defence lawyer could ever utter. Shouldn’t your mantra be “Innocent until proven guilty”

    You are really stretching credulity now Sir.

  211. Scotswoman said, on November 26, 2009 at 12:00 am

    Just to clarify previous post

    Whilst responding to a poster on his blog who pointed out that a grand Jury found no substance to the kidnapping allegations against Roy Kronk and that his record has since been expunged, Hornsby responded:

    ” Where there’s smoke there’s fire”

    Does this guy want to be taken seriously……………He claims to be a defence lawyer! !

  212. snoopysleuth said, on November 26, 2009 at 12:00 am

    Mr Sheaffer~~I want to let you know that I was not swayed one iota by the accusations that have been made against you by a disgruntled defense lawyer. I hold you in high esteem and admire you for standing up for Caylee Marie Anthony.

    It seems that some folks do not like the truth to be told and they tend to feel very insecure. I think this is why someone decided to smear your reputation. Anyone who has to keep referring to their credentials must be a very insecure individual. They come across like a school yard bully.

    I do not comment in here as often as I would like. It seems that a certain individual has taken over your blog and spends most of his/her time ridiculing others who come here to make a legitimate comment. You will know who that person is because, once I submit this comment, I will be the next victim to get bashed.

    Hang in there Bill! I am looking forward to your next post. Have a Wonderful Thankgiving!

  213. CeeA said, on November 26, 2009 at 12:19 am

    susan – BUTT OUT!

  214. Underdog said, on November 26, 2009 at 12:21 am

    pipkin said, on November 25, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    Mr. Sheaffer,

    Please explain the difference between “hung jury” and “mistrial”. What happens in the event of a hung jury, and what happens in the event of a mistrial?
    ***************

    pipkin,

    When there is a hung jury, pipkin, the Judge declares a mistrial. The prosecution then must decide whether to retry the defendant or drop it. Since it takes all 12 jurors to convict in a capital murder trial even 1 juror can hang the jury. Usually in that case the defendant is almost always retried.

  215. sterling1462 said, on November 26, 2009 at 12:25 am

    This is cute!

    Recently I received a parrot as a gift.
    The parrot had a bad attitude and an even worse vocabulary.
    Every word out of the bird’s mouth was rude, obnoxious and laced with profanity.
    I tried and tried to change the bird’s attitude by consistently saying only polite words,

    playing soft music and anything else I could think of to “clean up” the bird’s vocabulary.
    Finally, I was fed up and I yelled at the parrot. The parrot yelled back.
    I shook the parrot and the parrot got angrier and even ruder.
    So, in desperation, I threw up my hands, grabbed the bird and put him in the freezer.
    For a few minutes the parrot squawked and kicked and screamed.
    Then suddenly there was total quiet. Not a peep was heard for over a minute.
    Fearing that I’d hurt the parrot, I quickly opened the door to the freezer.
    The parrot calmly stepped out onto my outstretched arms and said
    “I believe I may have offended you with my rude language and actions.
    I’m sincerely remorseful for my inappropriate transgressions and
    I fully intend to do everything I can to correct my rude and unforgivable behavior.”
    I was stunned at the change in the bird’s attitude.
    As I was about to ask the parrot what had made such a dramatic change in his behavior, the bird continued,
    “May I ask what the turkey did?”

    Happy Thanksgiving to you and your families.

  216. CeeA said, on November 26, 2009 at 1:02 am

    susan…by the way…you are doing exactly what you are trashing us about with your little snarky/sarcastic post…hipocrite!!! mind your own business…nobody was talking to YOU..

  217. Kl said, on November 26, 2009 at 1:26 am

    Mr. Hornsby got it all wrong, when he thought his mistake was to use a couple ‘names’, and all would be well not using Mr. Suspender’s again. Well, I don’t think that’s what upset people– it’s a benign little term, a little humourous, and not at all, IMHO, offensive, not in itself.

    It was the rest of the ‘attitude’, arrogant and self-serving, and a tad schoolboy bully.

    There have been other lawyers comment on Ms. Lyon’s unprofessional attitude, not helping the profession, but damaging. Mr. Schaeffer is NOT alone, although it would be sad if he and a handful of others, were the ones who hold a higher, and more difficult to live by, set of ethics in the chosen profession of law.

    I don’t think that is elitist whatsoever. To me, it implies quite the opposite.

    Now, off to read ‘The Ethical Imagination’.

    Mr. Schaeffer and readers, Happy Thanksgiving! Mr. Hornsby will have his crow for maincourse.

  218. Kl said, on November 26, 2009 at 1:34 am

    Scotswoman, you know, it could well be that Mr. Kronk loved role-playing with his Dungeon’s and Dragons, just as there are people who love dressing up in medieval costumes, in one fantasy character or another, role playing/acting in an innocent second life.

    If what Mr. Hornsby meant, by if there’s smoke there’s fire, was simply that there is more to the story, he’s right– there’s a whole ‘OTHER’ side, and what if the disgruntled ex’s were upset about one thing, and making accusations to get back for something else. What if Jill had her own crazy imagination, like Casey Anthony, telling a boyfriend, that her brother made sexual advances towards her. Same thing– would Hornsby also say in this case, ‘where there is smoke there’s fire’? That story led people to speculate that the brother was the father of Caylee. The story does not always go where people’s imaginations do, when the ending is left off.

  219. Jan said, on November 26, 2009 at 1:47 am

    Have a Blessed Thanksgining Mr Bill. Love, Laugh, an enjoy all the wonderful holiday feast. We love an respect you. I will be back to chat,an ask some questions of you,after the holidays. Thought i would give you a break. lol. But i am very interested in what you have to say,conserning the laws,an court trials.

  220. Jan said, on November 26, 2009 at 2:02 am

    Mr Bill, Is it the prosicutions call,to offer a plea deal ? Or does the defence ask for one?..An if one is offered in a case. will they put a stipulation,on it ,as to the accused having to tell what happened with the crime ?

  221. Evangeline said, on November 26, 2009 at 2:25 am

    Who’s susan..lol?

  222. onmylastnerve said, on November 26, 2009 at 2:25 am

    http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-14615-Spokane-Homicide-Examiner~y2009m11d25-Orlando-Florida-Is-Jose-Baez-suborning-perjury

    Orlando Florida- Is Jose Baez suborning perjury?

    Interesting read, IMO.

  223. Evangeline said, on November 26, 2009 at 2:34 am

    Lilly said, on November 25, 2009 at 5:45 pm
    EVANGALINE: Maybe he needs the attention, or has TOE JAM in his brain. Some people just love too start or create trouble to get attention. It’s pathetic when you really think about it. (maybe a new hobby or girlfriend might help)

    ************************

    Oh oh Lily they might be tapping our phones & put a thingy to track our ISP’s lol…
    Can you believe they even went there…fbi…good God. D & AL would make a fine pair…personalities..and that’s a compliment…lol!

    I better go finish cooking my Thanksgiving dinner…vegetarian for my family..I found really good mock turkey breast “meat” & made a good meatless gravy. With all the trimmings it’s as good as any TG meal. Then we’re going on a trip Fri. to visit family…peace all & be kind to animals!

  224. Filipa said, on November 26, 2009 at 3:51 am

    Mr Shaeffer,

    If this is Mrs Lyon’s M.O. I would excuse it ,if she turned her attention to those parents of the defendant. Although they did not do it, they’re not excused of guilt.
    To simply choose the weakest link to blame,focusing on Kronk, reveals the lack of so many things…that I won’t bother to number!

    Unfortunatly for the defense team, the Anthony’s had no butler…..

  225. Lily said, on November 26, 2009 at 6:31 am

    Evangeline: R U skeered? ‘Ol” Open Can Hornsby” is just a silly acting cutie, he’ll mature with age.

    In my heart of hearts I think toe jam will have a long wait for the FBI to come to his rescue. You know, murders, rapes, abduction, slashings, abuses etc…I just don’t think a “computer misunderstanding” quiet fits the bill for FBI assistance. Heck, I’ll just get “open-can Hornsby” to defend ME!

    Happy and safe Thanksgiving to you…!

  226. CeeA said, on November 26, 2009 at 6:35 am

    evangeline….lmao…she’s nobody! ;)

  227. Scotswoman said, on November 26, 2009 at 6:37 am

    KI

    The context of Hornsby’s “where there’s smoke there’s fire” comment was purely in response to a poster sticking up for Roy Kronk. The poster reminded Hornsby that that a grand jury chose to believe Kronk as opposed to his accuser. And that the record was now expunged. The remark was simply imo a childish retort as in……… ‘well why was a grand jury convened in the first place. Kronk’s exoneration in the eyes of the law were totally ignored by Hornsby. Notably as posters continued to lambast him Hornsby’s responses became fewer and far between and they started to look rather feeble.

    Now given his chosen profession, the smoke /fire comment and the context in which it was given has to be the dumbest statement he could possibly have made. However, I doubt even he thought he expected to be lambasted by around 99% of the posters when he chose to publicly endorse the dream team’s latest publicity stunt whilst similtaneouly going after Bill Sheaffer.

    Hornsby embellished the facts quite blatantly to help support his original blog/contention that to have Kronk’s past ‘bad acts’ admitted as evidence was a smart move by Baez. What did he call it again? “In defence of the defence of Casey Anthony”

    For instance when challenged by posters, he describes the duct tape as “strikingly similar”, now where did that come from. He bolsters the Williams Rule’s applicability ability by asking the reader to assume Kronk WAS on trial for Caylee’s murder and then he works backwards by saying that his duct tape antics with former wife would be admissable as past bad acts. Now even Baez doesnt allude to that in his motion. And he writes as though the accusations by the ex wives are already sworn to and proven facts.

    Actually, I wouldn’t be suprised if Kronk had a decent case against Hornsby for defamation. Truth is, before this attention seeking tirade of his, he failed to plimpress me with his analysis of this case. I have never equated intelligence and common sense with education. Simply put, I dont think Hornsby is as clever as Hornsby thinks he is.

    Actually I listened to him on the Levi Radio show and the cockiness and arrogance were somewhat diminished. I honestly think he underestimated his readership and maybe he is now feeling his juvenile rant was probably not the best way to make friends and influence people.

    Having said that, he still managed to refer to Mr Kronk as “THAT WEIRDO METER READER.”

    But the rhetoric was milder and he inserted what many bloggers had reminded him of……… that this tactic of Baez could backfire badly. Ineresting eh?.

  228. Filipa said, on November 26, 2009 at 7:03 am

    NEXT, Miss Lyon is going to incriminate David Mauss (Volkswagen)…
    Whenever WFTV covers this case, that guy shows up!!!! (isn’t it suspicious????)
    I ‘d say he’s involved somehow…

  229. Lawrence said, on November 26, 2009 at 7:04 am

    Scotswoman, Hmmmm Wonder if that means he had a bottle of the “hard stuff” under the front seat of his car when he was open canned? lol

  230. Lily said, on November 26, 2009 at 7:40 am

    Fillipa: Sadly, in this case, I don’t think it would surprise too many people! They are desparate to come up with “reasonable doubt”….the neighbor with the shovel is probably next! Or the mailman, Cindy’s boss, even her mother! Whatever it takes, they will do. They really are showing their desperation, it is sooooo obvious, and people see right through this crapo. Personally, I think useing Roy Kronk as a POI is a huge mistake, and they will end up regretting it. Andrea Lyons actully thinks people can’t see through her crude tactics, even though they are very transparent. She needs to get her a$$ off that pedistal that she has convinced herself she’s on! People in Orlando are on to her and her BIG ego.

  231. Filipa said, on November 26, 2009 at 7:42 am

    Lily,

    I also subscrive all you said. Thanx for being agood sport! lol

  232. Valhall said, on November 26, 2009 at 8:35 am

    Happy Thanksgiving, Mr. Sheaffer!

    Keep up the good work.

  233. diana said, on November 26, 2009 at 8:40 am

    The defense has NUTHIN, so they are trying to implicate anyone and everyone who comes down the pike. The public is not stupid (excluding the OJ jury) and know what game they are trying to play.
    It’s really pathetic to watch Baez, Baden, and Lyon dodge questions, and try to spin the lies.

  234. sterling1462 said, on November 26, 2009 at 10:08 am

    Jose Angel Baez has several tickets in his past…
    This makes him just a likely to have murdered Caylee Anthony.
    Lets file a motion…. Titled….. “JOSE BAEZ TICKETS SHOW LINK TO MURDERED CHILD”
    The said tickets were obtained in Orange county, at the same time that the murdered child lived in Orange county. On or about 12-03-2007 Baez was seen driving within 6 miles of the Anthony home.
    this is breaking news!

  235. Ina said, on November 26, 2009 at 10:44 am

    Diana, if the public is not stupid, then why can’t the public spell? Just kidding.
    The public is stupid, believe me. We are ignorant, and we have no idea how this murder took place, but we love to think we do. En masse we say the mother most have done it, as it looks that way and because others say so. That is no evidence. We, the public, should really shut up about it. It is not our business. One day a jury will be formed. This jury will have read a lot of hate against the mother. How can a jury work properly? Just things I wonder about.

  236. RS said, on November 26, 2009 at 11:04 am

    Ina,

    Take your own advice and shut up about it.

    While for the rest of us, who are interested when we are lied to about a kidnapping, lies on a little tiny girl are concerned, IS our business.

  237. Thinker Belle said, on November 26, 2009 at 11:59 am

    Happy Thanksgiving Mr. Shaeffer, and many thanks for all that you tried to do.

  238. CeeA said, on November 26, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    When a child is murdered or goes missing, raped or all of the above…it’s everyones business..you see..if the public doesn’t get involved then how do we educate them to keep their children safe. If the public doesn’t talk about it how can we help? You just never know who is reading and a post from anyone on the subject can set off the light needed to CONVICT A KILLER.

    I do not believe casey anthony killed her daughter because OTHERS say so…I believe casey anthony killed her daughter because of the following, please allow me to paint the picture one more time

    June 16, 2008 – Last day caylee is seen and it’s her own MOTHER that she was in the care of….FACT

    RENTING MOVIES WITH HER B/F CAYLEE NOWHERE TO BE SEEN…CASEY ACTS AS IF NOTHING IS WRONG…RENTING CHILD ABDUCTION MOVIES…HMMM!!

    July 16 ~ one month after casey last reported seeing her own daughter she was doing the following…

    Whore dancing at Fusion with her bi and boy friends..laughing partying it up drinking
    ( she was looking for her missing and abducted child right!!!)

    Abandoning her car at Amscot ~ ( damn it smells like a dead body is in the damn trunk ..mental note to self..PLEASE SOMEONE STEAL MY CAR WITH THE PURSE AND KEYS I LEFT IN IT SO I CAN SAY THEY KILLED MY CHILD WHEN THEY REALIZE HER DEAD BODY WAS IN THERE )

    Helping herself to Amy’s checkbook and boldly going into the bank of america to steal her money ( money she needed to help find her child right!!! )

    Purchasing bras, beer and azz wipe at Target with AMY’S MONEY…( need to look good and have some liquid courage and a clean azz..that will help me find my child right!! )

    Going to get a tatoo…telling the artist when asked where caylee was that SHE WAS WITH THE NANNY… ( don’t want to not follow the script she was given, that will help her find her child) BELLA VITA…= BEAUTIFUL LIFE… ( that’s what all mothers of missing children do…lie and get tatoos right)

    when the so called grandmother calls 911 – MOTHER OF THE YEAR ASKS..WHY DO THEY WANT TO TALK TO ME… ( but my story isn’t perfected yet…damn i wish someone had stolen my car)

    The lie after lie…the universal story…the nanny has everything for caylee story..the different location of the kidnapping…BLANCHARD PARK…the bogus SCRIPT…( who does that…this is not a made for tv movie..or is it?)

    The jail house calls…ALL YOU GUYS ARE WORRIED ABOUT IS GETTING CAYLEE BACK??? ( OOPS…and so am I…whew that was close call almost let them know how i really feel)

    NO TEARS FOR CAYLEE…everyone has reported on it..those who spent time with her..but she did find the time to put make up on and tie her caylee shirt in a cute little knot when she delivered HOME MADE BROWNIES TO HER LAWYER ( I will have him eating out of the palm of my hand in no time)

    No pleas to bring caylee home safe…NOT ONCE…BY ANY OF THE ANTS

    The code talk between her and lee…SHE’S CLOSE..I FEEL IT …
    LEE: Look locally…in places that are known to us…SHE WAS TELLING HIM RIGHT THERE! OUR CHILDHOOD HANG OUT IN THE WOODS.

    Now let’s take a quick look at the scene where the body was thrown away like trash…right around the corner from the ants house…( have to get to Fusion for the hot body contest..don’t have time to drive around for days…this looks like a good spot..and this place floods alot in August…I need to find a way to delay anyone looking for caylee so she will decomp enough not to find cause of death…and the animlas will scatter her bones…they’ll never find her…)

    For those who don’t know…THE HOUSES ON ONE SIDE OF THE WOODS ~ THERE ARE TWO OF THEM…ONE HAS THE LAST NAME GONZALEZ…THE OTHER HAS A WOMAN WITH THE ZANAIDA…( this is how she remembers her lies…always a little truth, easier to remember)

    The laundry bag..cloth ..matches one that cindy has at the house..the duct tape is the same “limited” and discontinued duct tape that covered caylees nose and mouth and the same as the tape on the find cayleee poster that was made by one of the ants)

    The pooh blanket ~ identified by cindy as being missing from caylees room..
    The garbage bag ~ black ~ match the garbage bags in the ants home. ( all these things came from INSIDE THE ANTS HOME, wonder how ZANNY OR KRONK got away with that..)

    Do you remember the demeanor of Casey anthony while the rest of followed the search of Blanchard park? She was calm cool and collected…we all thought at one point if you were listening to Murts live stream..that they had found her…CASEY KNEW BETTER AND JUST WALKED BACK TO HER CELL) she “knew” they wouldn’t find caylee there, cause that’s NOT where she put her!

    However, when the news was broken ( ya right ) to her that the body of a small child had been found in the woods on SUBURBAN DRIVE…she went ballistic… ( DAMN PI…LEE…MOM …DAD…YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO GET MY HINTS AND FIND HER BEFORE THEY DID..)

    Cindys response might have been WE TRIED SWEETHEART, BUT YOU JUST WEREN’T SPECIFIC ENOUGH…THOSE WOODS ARE BIG YA KNOW..

    NOW WHAT WAS ASKED ABOUT WHY THE ENTIRE WORLD BELIEVES CASEY MURDERED HER CHILD?

  239. allisnotquietonthe westernfront said, on November 26, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    Happy thanksgiving to all .

  240. Kl said, on November 26, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    Scotswoman, ay lass, enjoyed your last wee post.

    “Ye see yon birkie cad a lord, wha struts and stares and a that,
    Tho hundreds worship at his word, hes but a cuif and a that,
    For a that and a that, his ribband star and a that,
    The man o independent mind, he looks and laughs at a that. “

  241. barbface said, on November 26, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    Hey CeeA…..You should be a prosecutor. LOL The most telling thing to me was when she said “All you care about is Caylee”. Whoa…spoke volumes didn’t it?

  242. barbface said, on November 26, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    Ya know….another reason I believe Kronk despite how strange this story is….I live in Bolingbrook, IL near Stacy Peterson and there is a certain spot around here that I always look for Stacy when I’m there. I’m convinced that’s where she could be (and have given the info to a hot line) so it makes sense that when Kronk heard “She’s close” he assumed Caylee was near the home in those woods. Makes sense to me. Thank God he he kept looking and found her.

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

  243. Patriacio said, on November 26, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    It baffles me how commentators will say there is no evidence against Casey. There is so much evidence in this case. If we were to use the no evidence theory because there is no picture of the person committing the crime, no eye witness, no fingerprint (which we don’t know for sure) then everyone in prison could probably be set free. When there is a long string of circumstantial evidence that becomes evidence. If Casey had never lied about everyone and everything, if her car never showed signs of decomp or smelled like a dead body, if she never partied for 31 days, if she acted like a distraught mother would act (and don’t give me the bs that everyone grieves differently, this was her child), if she had reported her daughter missing immediately, if the body hadn’t been found close to her home, if any of the lies she told had been true, if the laundry bag and duct tape hadn’t coincidentally also been found in her home, then she might not be sitting in jail right now. Casey supporters please give your opinion as to how these mitigating circumstances can not be construed as evidence? Because Casey says she innocent? Many prisoners continue to say they are innocent. Why aren’t they free? They said they were innocent.

  244. Kl said, on November 26, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    Happy Thanksgiving and all that!

  245. FRG said, on November 26, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    Ina @ 10:44
    Hello! If this is happening now it is the DEFENSE’S FAULT. Prosecution filed for a “gag order” on November 6, 2008 and Judge Strickland denied on November 25, 2008. Defense never fought for the gag order and well, we certainly know why, they need to run their mouths on National TV, sell Caylee’s photos and videos in order to make money to pay for Casey’s high profile attorneys. We wouldn’t be talking about it now. If jury pool is being tainted don’t put the blame on us. All we want is “JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE”!!!

    http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/11/26/gag_order_ruling_expected_wednesday.html

    http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2422993/Casey-Anthony-gag-order

    http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Gag%20Order%20Denied.pdf

  246. Shilo said, on November 26, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    I have NEVER responded to someone else’s post until today. The public is not stupid. The public can spell, but may not be able to type. The “just shut up about it” comment is word for word what Casey said. Does anyone honestly believe that all the blogs are going to be read in court. “Are you kidding me”! Another famous Casey quote. I am sorry, but sometimes I believe that Casey supporters, family or friends post on blogs just to get a reaction. If they do, they may consider trying to be a bit more clever with wording. I am not accusing anyone of anything, I am just expressing an opinion.

  247. FRG said, on November 26, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    Patriacio @ 1:11
    I agree with you a 100%. Casey’s and Anthony’s supporters have lashed out at LE and Prosecution and they are incapable to come up with anything reasonable besides Casey is pretty and that kind of stuff. Pretty people can kill. The Anthony’s don’t get any sympathy from us because they have lied through their teeth and completely forgot about Justice for Caylee amongst a lot of bad choices they have made. We have followed the case from day one so we have read documents and statements and when you connect the dots it points to just one killer… “Casey”.

  248. Scotswoman said, on November 26, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    Hi KI

    So you’re a Burns fan……me too.

    He was a wild man who loved his whisky and women and died far too young.
    But he was probably the best and most prolific social commentator ever to come out of Scotland. And our proudest export.

    Wonder what he’d make of this case. lol

  249. Fidget said, on November 26, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    Ina,

    It is EVERYONE’S Business when a child is maimed, tortured, molested, and/or murdered. If we “shut up” about it, then it will continue to happen and, in my opinion, it will two-fold. We need to speak up for those who cannot speak and to make sure justice is served for the victim.

    Since the day Caylee was finally reported missing, I have read every document, page per page, every sheet of evidence produced through the Sunshine Law, and read every news story I could find. I have watched every court appearance, every media appearance, every tirade from the Anthony family and/or protesters. I believe many have done the same as well.

    There is only ONE conclusion one could make after seeing so much evidence. Caylee was murdered, duct tape tightly wrapped around her mouth and nose, and left disgarded like trash so very close to the place she called home. There is only one person who saw her last. There is only one person who had full access to her. There is only one person who drove around for two days while Caylee’s poor little body lay rotting in the trunk of a car. There is only one person who has lied so much and has wasted LE’s time. There is only one person who should have, could have, but did not, report her missing.

    There is NOT one piece of evidence which even remotely suggests anyone else killed Caylee OTHER THAN her mother, Casey.

    There is mounting evidence that casey did it. I’m positive there is so much more that we have yet to see.

    Statistically, in the U.S., mothers kill their children at a far greater rate than anyone else. It is a true, and sombering fact,, but a fact we cannot dismiss.

    Is this what you’re afraid to admit to or is it really a matter of speading falst reasonable doubt?

  250. snoopysleuth said, on November 26, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    Fidget~~very good comments. When a person has really studied this case from the beginning, they come to the same conclusion that you have. I think some folks speculate and make inane comments to draw attention to themselves. Apparently they do not know how much evidence the state has amassed or have examined the forensics. I expect to see a plea deal if Lyon can get the DP removed. Whether this case will ever go to trial is still debatable.

  251. Scotswoman said, on November 26, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Patriacio

    The defence can spin it any way they like. They can continue to perpetuate the myth that the so called circumstantial evidence is meaningless when in fact the opposite is the case. They can attack the air samples as junk science . But lets not forget they are up against a formidable team lead by Linda Jane Burdick who will counter punch at every turn. And hasn’t the testimony of the dream team’s illustrious experts been noticably absent from their many motions.

    The reality imo is a jury will apply Occams Razor. Anthony’s own actions and lies will convict her.The evidence against this young mother IS overwhelming. Baez and Co currently have the stage and no doubt ,the media and talk shows will continue to indulge them. To do otherwise would be biting the hand that feeds them.

    But come some summer’s day when the futile motions, the rhetoric and the drama fade, a Jury WILL be selected and two stories will have to be presented. The State will present, their very solid case. And isn’t Linda Drane Burdick impressive in the Court room? She and her team have been quietly beavering away and know pretty much what they’re going to show and say to the Jury. In contrast,this defence don’t imo appear to know what story to run with. The phantom nanny did it seems hopeless but to stray from it would imo be equally damning. Despite the bluff and bluster portrayed on national tv shows, and the leaning towards Roy Kronk being their patsy, I don’t believe they know which way to jump.

    Now, what I’d really love to know……….are they privately being honest with Casey Anthony as to just how strong the State’s case against her is. Could some straight talking and a doze of stir craziness concentrate the mind? Will they hint to the Prosecutors that they are willing to plea? Will there be a trial?

    OR

    Will Casey remain defiant and take her chances. Im plumping for Casey to risk it, I don’t think at 23 years and Casey being Casey she would view mandatory life as a deal.

    But I’d love to be a fly on the wall when Baez and Lyon come visiting.

  252. sterling1462 said, on November 26, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    FRG

    if beauty is from the inside out….
    lets skin her and see how pretty she really is!

  253. Jerry said, on November 26, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    The more they point figures at Kronk the more Casey looks guilty to me.

  254. Honeymom said, on November 26, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    CeeA GREAT post !!

    Ina: before you post take the TIME to read the documents , listen to the audo tapes , the police interviews .

    It takes time thought and effort to sift through a ton of speculative excuse me for saying CRAP and find the factual data . there is a ton if it mixed in with the CRAP.

    If you read it and think about it the conclusion that this mother murdered her child is inescapable .

    What makes people upset is someone saying she didnt do it because she is young , white, pretty ( or was) and the mother of the girl involved- and she gets off cause we cant believe a mother could do such a heinous crime.

    READ the discovery . Listen to the audio of the old grandmother of Casey- Shirley
    Plesea . She knew Caylee was dead and she knew that Casey was complicit.
    She said ‘ sometimes I think Casey hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee”
    right

  255. Kl said, on November 26, 2009 at 8:29 pm

    Scotswoman, I sent a comment to your last post about what Burns might think of this case, but on the wrong blog story!

    You think that maybe he’d see what the defense is playing recently as simply a “tinsel show, and all that”?

  256. Kl said, on November 26, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    Question to the civil defamation trial, which had not had all of it’s motioned answered yet by the judge, regarding whether Mr. Dominic Casey should be required to answer questions in deposition. That was still up in the air, as far as I can see.

    The state, however, will depose Mr. Casey in December, his November deposition being delayed (again) for some reason. This deposition is by the state, so presumably once that takes place successfully, there will be no barriers to Judge Rodriguez refusing to grant Zenaida Gonzalez’s lawyers, the opportunity to question him under oath.

    This is strange, because the issues of Mr. Casey, his rather complicated scenario of ‘letters of engagement’ for a variety of people now called ‘joint defense’, hasn’t been clarified by Judge Rodriguez. Will the state be able to go forward with its own deposition of Dominic Casey and under what conditions, if any, will he have ‘workproduct and client confidentiality? Is this a different set of standards than is allowed in a civil case, where the death of a child is not part of the case?

    Why is Mr. Morgan now asking the court clerk to set the trial date without having Dominic Casey’s deposition in hand? Can Mr. Morgan ask Judge Rodriguez to review the scope of the state’s deposition with Mr. Casey, as to what privacy or priviledges he can or can not maintain on behalf of his ‘joint defense team’ clients?

  257. Kl said, on November 26, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    I suppose the recent attacks on Mr. Kronk, have alerted the lawyers for Zenaida Gonzalez, that she too, might be targeted somehow as a subject, as Casey refused to say ‘this is not the person I left my child with etc’.

    There is serious concern for Ms. Gonzalez, especially in light of the defense’s attacks on a good samaritan, Roy Kronk, who, by any measure of common sense, can not be connected to Ms. Anthony, her car, the Anthony home, the Anthony home computer from as early as March 2008, or any of the Anthony family phone incoming calls. But this doesn’t stop the Anthony’s and the joint lawyers, from inventing connections for the sole purpose of spinning tales to a prospective jury.

  258. FRG said, on November 26, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    Sterling,
    It is NOT going to be pretty darling!!! I doubt you can find any beauty… just $$$$$$$$$. LOL

  259. snoopysleuth said, on November 26, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    Bill~~have you ever thought of joining us commenters for a few back and forth questions. I appreciate the fact that you are a busy man but it would be nice to make a direct contact with you once in awhile. A few short snappers with some off the cuff answers from you. Maybe one nite a week or bi-weekly? I hope we see a new post up sometime soon.

  260. cheerios said, on November 27, 2009 at 12:23 am

    Bill – so glad you are enjoying our Thanksgiving holiday with family & friends and taking a break from this sadness and nonsense. Hope you and yours are well and you are not spending valuable time away from your loved ones by sitting on the computer all day and night. Happy Thanksgiving!

  261. CeeA said, on November 27, 2009 at 1:00 am

    sterling at 7:31 – lmao and what a wonderful way to spend a Friday..can we do it tomorrow?

    barbface at 12:54 – Should have been a prosecutor…would of loved that..

    Fidget – 5:13 – nicely tied up ..plain as day that animal is GUILTY…and in my rush to post..I left out what you pointed out…WE BLOG FOR JUSTICE FOR THE CHILDREN.

  262. lily said, on November 27, 2009 at 1:19 am

    The lily posting here earlier – is not the lily you see posting on Valhall and Blink. Someone is using that name here. I haven’t posted here – just read occasionally. I just wanted to make sure there is no misunderstanding because I might agree with the other Lily on some things I do not on others.

    A lot of animosity that has occurred here has been attributed to me on MD’s blog that I’ve had nothing to do with – but of course I’ve been accused of it. I post honestly – and although I disagree with many things about D’s blog – I am not happy about my nic/hat being used this way at all. If I have an issue with a blogger or their blog or the commenters – I let them know and then I leave if it doesn’t get resolved. Which is what I did. But it doesn’t go un-noticed that ‘the chihuahua from Texas’ has been accused of being a part of this break down in civility. That’s just not me. Another reason why I will not comment there again.

  263. CeeA said, on November 27, 2009 at 1:34 am

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/11/18/ng.brother.speaks.cnn

    I hope it’s ok to post this Mr. Bill..

    for those who are interested…take notice to the yellow and black sign…you’ll know it when you see it…A VISUAL…explaining beyond a reasonable doubt…there may be a few letters missing but you know without a doubt what the phrase says….

    I feel the circumstantial evidence in the CASE AGAINST CASEY if that is all they have and after having seen this video…will be enough to convict this animal of capital murder!

  264. CeeA said, on November 27, 2009 at 1:44 am

    oops..sorry…THAT PREVIOUS LINK WAS ABOUT LITTLE SHANIYA DAVIS…REST IN PEACE LITTLE ANGEL..BREAKS MY HEART..

    THIS IS THE LINK TO THE THE VISUAL ON BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT….

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/11/25/florida.v.mendez.wrap.insession

  265. Honeymom said, on November 27, 2009 at 2:41 am

    I find it ironic that this case and the monster responsible are keeping us awake and night and she is probably sleeping like a baby

  266. CeeA said, on November 27, 2009 at 5:58 am

    honeymom – totally~ these babies cross my mind everyday…prob. more then their dead beat mothers that kill them for sure..casey IS that self absorbed…I’m sure of that!

  267. CeeA said, on November 27, 2009 at 6:17 am

    How is Casey Anthony doing knowing that her life is on the line?

    “She’s scared. Wouldn’t you be scared?” defense attorney Andrea Lyon told WKMG-Channel 6′s Tony Pipitone. “She sad. She’s grief-stricken. And she’s terrified.”

    WKMG offered a well-promoted interview with Lyon and fellow defense attorney Linda Kenney Baden. Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.

    ____________________

    Those of us who have followed caseys demeanor and actions from the beginning KNOW FULL WELL…that is not Casey anthony speaking…THAT’S THE LYON HUMANIZING HER CLIENT..just like she said she does….casey was never and never will be grief stricken…NOT ABOUT CAYLEE ANYWAY.

  268. CeeA said, on November 27, 2009 at 6:22 am

    terrified, grief stricken and sad are all EMOTIONS …this demon doesn’t have enough feelings in her baby toe to experience these kind of human emotions.”these words have never been uttered by casey anthonynor has her behaviour exuded them…at least in the RAW reality of the beginning of this sad story…if she ever should have experienced these emotions we would have seen it then…she is not any more grief stricken now then she proved to be from the start.

    Such donkey whizz..

  269. Toasty1 said, on November 27, 2009 at 7:38 am

    I have total confidence in the State. Andrea Lyons, from some her crude remarks, think most people are stupid, and will believe anything she says. Especially when she brings on the fake tears. She also plans to make the jury feel guilty, I just don’t see that happening. Poor Roy Kronk, I can only imagion what he’s going through at this time. Along with Zanny, Richard and Jesse Grund.

  270. CeeA said, on November 27, 2009 at 8:07 am

    Hi toasty1 – I have faith in the state of florida as well..such class acts as well. so different from the scheme team that flaps their gums at every opportunity. Andrea Lyon is nothing but a fake. NO morals or values…JUST ME ME ME ..WIN WIN WIN. She finds herself rather amusing and seems to think that she is funny with all her little “side bar” one liners in those videos. She is so transparent.

    GO STATE…BRING ON THE JUSTICE FOR CAYEE MARIE….

  271. Toasty1 said, on November 27, 2009 at 8:08 am

    Besides Dr. Bethany Marshall, at least two other psychitrists have stated that Casey A. is a sociopath. Dr. Marshall said that Casey hated Caylee because she was getting all the attention, money and love that she thought she should be getting. So, Casey got rid of her. Even Cindy called her a sociopath at one time.

    I have no doubt that she will be found guilty. I also think that she will adjust beautifully to prison, just like Scott Peterson, and Susan Smith, and Downs have.

  272. CeeA said, on November 27, 2009 at 8:52 am

    personally…I hope your wrong about adjusting beautifully…I HOPE SHE SUFFERS. I hope she ROTS in jail. She certainly isNT living the Bella vita NOW…NEVER AGAIN…hope it was worth the 31 days of freedom CASEY..somehow I believe she doesn’t regret killing caylee…SHE REGRETS GETTING CAUGHT!!!

  273. FRG said, on November 27, 2009 at 9:00 am

    Mr. Sheaffer,
    Hopefully you had a wonderful Thanksgiving celebration!!!
    Do you believe there will be a plea deal in the check fraud case? Is it in the best interest of the Prosecution? Would Casey be charged in all of the counts?
    Thanks Mr. Sheaffer.

  274. Toasty1 said, on November 27, 2009 at 9:38 am

    Cee: If she doesn’t get the DP, and gets LWOP, she should have to do “hard labor”.

    She is a danger to society (a Big danger) and should never be released. No psychological help will do sociopaths any good. The same thing with pediphiles. They should never, ever be released.

  275. Toasty1 said, on November 27, 2009 at 9:48 am

    She is a master manipulator, and knows how to spot vunerable people…includiing other inmates. I really believe that she will do well in prison. She will probably do like Dianne Downs and get a college education. She’ll be able to alot of things that interest her. That’s why I think she should be MADE to do some kind of LABOR. Scrubbing toilets, mopping floors , laundry etc…

  276. Shilo said, on November 27, 2009 at 10:26 am

    There is topic that I would like to see discussed and that is one of lying. It appears that Casey learned it at both her Mother and Fathers knee. ( to quote Lyon) … Remember when George A. was talking to LE and they wanted to know if he wanted to hear the 911 tapes. He wanted Lee there, but didn’t want Lee to know he was already at the police station. Why did he feel the need to lie to Lee about something that? Even Lee in his deposition admits that they all lie, but for different purposes. I don’t understand this need to lie. Could that be discussed?? Or even a blog about it. I am now just curious. The psychology of lying. Is it no morality, or training, or what??

  277. Shilo said, on November 27, 2009 at 10:30 am

    Back to the topic being discussed. How many picked up on Casey referring to her cell as HER ROOM. I almost fell over when she said that. She said that in one of the taped visitations with parents. I’ve never heard a prisoner refer to the cell as their room. Have you??

  278. HAZAKA said, on November 27, 2009 at 10:39 am

    Shilo said, on November 27, 2009 at 10:30 am
    Back to the topic being discussed. How many picked up on Casey referring to her cell as HER ROOM. I almost fell over when she said that. She said that in one of the taped visitations with parents. I’ve never heard a prisoner refer to the cell as their room. Have you??
    —————————————-

    Your comment mystifies me……. what else is it …but …”her room” …and btw… not be be saracastic … if she did say that …so what … how many prisioners have you known????? Just asking …..

  279. mikka said, on November 27, 2009 at 10:44 am

    toasty 1 ,i agree with you,in prison she will get her “real” job!

  280. Fidget said, on November 27, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Shilo, You made a great point about the lying. There are many statements concerning one saying “Don’t tell them I said that” or “I told her *blank*, but really *Blank* was the truth”. George even lied about how he lost money. Cindy lied to George about the intensity of Casey stealing. Casey, well, just lied about almost everything. Lee? He just didn’t talk to anybody.

    The statements “Don’t tell so and so I did that or said that” and “It was a lie to …..” or “He/she told me to leave it alone to not cause trouble” occured over and over again in all of the statements.

    Appears to be living in some fantasy world and sweeping it under the rug was a way of life. Unfortunately for Caylee, sweeping it under the rug meant her death.

  281. RS said, on November 27, 2009 at 11:11 am

    “I called Brad Conway, their attorney,” Pipitone said. “He says they had no idea this was coming until they saw media reports. He says that they now just want to wait and see how this develops. … They say what’s important to them is to just know the truth.”

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    On 17 January 2009
    Geraldo asks Conway, “Do you think there’s more funky information to come out about him [Kronk]?” to which Conway replies, “I know there is.”
    Geraldo Video w/Brad Conway – start @ 1:50 mark Brad Conway’s statement about Roy Kronk
    youtube.com/watch?v=4oGQ1-otlD0

  282. RS said, on November 27, 2009 at 11:16 am

    Shilo,

    Until this case, I have never heard of so many blatant lies told by so many pertaining to a dead little girl, and hope to never again.

  283. BEES KNEES said, on November 27, 2009 at 11:20 am

    I think it is completely appropriate to be offended by Andrea Lyon. I would, in fact, question anyone who isn’t, after listening to her speech. What on earth are other, more ethical attorneys thinking about her spiel?

    IMO she is graceless, crass and unscrupulous. She attempts lowbrow jokes, waits for the laughter, which doesn’t always follow, and then she’s off to the next ridiculous bit of poorly-rehearsed melodrama (she actually sung a few words in the middle of her speech)!!! Boasting of how she once padded the courtroom in favour of her client by collecting a bus full of transient alcoholics with brown paper bags, she just can’t stop patting her own broad back. She is very happy with herself.

    I would love to know what the members of the criminal defense bar in Florida think of her remarks. I can’t imagine why Mr. Hornsby would even try to defend her. IMO it is NOT acceptable to make such disparaging remarks about women prosecutors, judges, jurors, and victims witness’. Let’s not forget she’s a teacher! Good Lord!

    (Hi mikka!)

  284. LindaRose said, on November 27, 2009 at 11:31 am

    I don’t understand how the defense can create a circumstantial suspect in Caylee’s demise? I’m at a loss at how the defense can get away with such defamation of character or character assassination without any penalites themselves. I think it’s abhorrant to do so under the guise of a motion in limine. Which is used to exclude evidence or guard against vindictive prosectution and not create a circumstantial suspect. How do they feel they can rewrite the law?
    I also have to wonder how much Roy Kronk’s ex girlfriend got paid to go against him? Are there any police reports to prove this? Is there domestic violence reports that can substantiate this claim of abuse? I truly have a hard time with how this is playing out. The defense are the ones who go on these media blitzes, then we get word of a new motion…Baez is becoming very transparent. I do believe he’s at a loss and is desperately trying to find someone other than his client to take the heat. He’s grasping at straws to see which one will hold tight. I hope this backfires on him big time….
    Justice for Caylee

  285. Scotswoman said, on November 27, 2009 at 11:31 am

    Hi KI

    Hope you had a lovely thanksgiving.

    Your 8.55pm post got me thinking. But I dont think the dream team will go after Zenaida from Kisimmee. In fact, the more I think about it the more I believe they have made a huge mistake in going after Roy Kronk. And for what’s its worth here is my humble take on it

    Many of us have posted our disgust over the dream team’s latest stunt, and how apart from being a despicable attack on an innocent, man it smacked of desperation.
    But imho this ploy is not only unlikely to free Casey Anthony, but it actually could damage her big time.

    If and imo its a big IF, Judge Strickland allows the defence to bring into evidence Roy Kronk’s perceived “bad acts” they will then have to present a theory to the Jury as to the how, when and why he took Caylee away from her mother.

    The why we can leave to Andrea Lyon who teaches the smartness of always having a theory on hand to present to the “killers” on the jury.

    But lets look at just ONE of the hurdles the defence has to overcome.

    Whomever they choose to implicate, they have to present a believable scenario to the Jury otherwise any defendant accused of a crime could insert their own bushy haired stanger and voila ” reasonable doubt”is created. We know it doesnt work like that, reasonable doubt has to be reasonable.

    So, in trying to establish the how and when Roy Kronk got a hold of little Caylee, they have to debunk the general perception that Casey Anthony left her child at Sawgrass Apartments, apt 210 with her FIRST perpetrator of choice, Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez or as we’ve come to know her Zany the size 10, straight white toothed Nanny who the police say does not exist.

    Caylee was last seen in the company of her mother on 16th June 2008.
    And George tells us he saw them leave the house at around 12.50.pm before HE left for work at approx 2.30pm. We can assume he told the grand jury this also. The defence next have to get around the fact that Casey Anthony was pinged around the Anthony home until approximately 16.00hrs,and that there was high computer activity on the Anthony desktop until 3pm. She was pinged again in the vicinity of Tony Lazzaro’s apt at around 16.30pm and was DEFINITELY with Lazarro in Blockbusters at 19.58pm. Lazzaro will testfy that Casey arrived WITHOUT Caylee and there is no known witness who saw Caylee again.. He will further testify that Casey spent the night with him and most of the following day as he had bunked off school.

    So in that window of opportunity between 12.50pm and the time Casey Anthony hooked up with Tony the defence will have to offer a plausible alternative to her nanny (alledged known acquaintance) to one that fits with Roy Kronk (complete stranger) abducted Caylee. They will further have to offer, just where and at what time on 16th June this occurred and crucially why Casey Anthony told police the story she did.

    Remember officially Casey Anthony has never deviated from the Nanny at the vacant apartment tale. And the prosecutin can further belittle their Kronk did it by bringing in the later Blanchard Park account she would tell to Robert Dick and Tracy McLaughlin.

    Now lets say for the sake of argument that Roy Kronk was at work on the 16th June and he has work colleagues and witnesses to prove his whereabouts from 12.50pm till 19.58pm, well, Id say its back to the drawing board for the dream team
    and mucho egg on faces. If they offer up another timeline, then they impeach George Anthony’s sworn testimony as to when he last saw his grandchild. We could dissect this even further when brining in the evidence in the trunk and that Casey was the last known person to drive the car as told to us by her and Tony Lazarro
    but no need methinks. You get my drift. The prosecution imo will easily easily destroy the Kronk did it absurdity. And the jury will remember that this girl tried to blame an innocent man. And this could mean the difference in a DP jury chooisng a mandatory life sentence of execution.

    I’d say this is a very risky and dangerous strategy the defence are emarking on. And Casey Anthony could well pay for it at the penalty phase of the trial.

    And for a certain legal analyst to author an Internet article titled “In defence of the defence of Casey Anthony” and to claim this was a smart move by the defence
    suggests to me that he simply engaged his keyboard before his analytical brain.

  286. FRG said, on November 27, 2009 at 11:38 am

    RS @ 11:11 am
    From my understanding BC came out to state about Mr. Kronk maybe to get some sympathy from us and also that was for us to read between the lines that Mr. Kronk is hiding something… which he is not, he is just one more victim of this ruthless family. They are dirty. I never fell for that statement they didn’t know about Mr. Kronk. I also believe Cindy has signed some deals to pay for Casey’s defense and that’s why she has access to all of the dirt they are digging out. Instead of the Anthony’s just to pay a visit to their daughter in jail and ask her what happened, which they have had plenty of time to do that before she was arrested, they had never done it… they decided to ruin innocent people’s lives. You can see how Casey is the way she is. Casey was never held accountable for her actions. That’s their family dynamics. IMO
    I am really sorry for Mr. Kronk.

  287. Anthony said, on November 27, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    Mr Kronk will be decimated on the stand if the judge allows his past history in the trial.
    Can you say ” Mark Furman”, and this guy was suppose to be a proffesional. OJ’s defense team had a field day with him and made the jury not look at the facts. Great defense ploy and it worked once they only focused on him. It ‘s looking like Baez & Co. will try the very same approach to get the jury hyped up on someone elses bad past. I sincerely hope that Judge Strickland can keep order and not sidebar this case into an aquittal because the jury lost sight of what they were there for……….

  288. Filipa said, on November 27, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    I think Baez is excited beyond mesure with all the fuss about this case!
    …it’s his great breackthrough!!!
    I seriously doubt he ever was in court with an audience bigger than 6 ppl (including Judge, defendant & bailiff!!)

  289. RS said, on November 27, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    Anthony,

    According to what this poll on WESH indicates, nobody is buying into the despicable defense tactic. In fact, appears it failed miserably and it would with a jury having seen and heard the evidence.

    Poll:

    Casey Anthony’s defense filed a motion to get the court to allow testimony that Roy Kronk, the man who found Caylee’s remains, should be a suspect in her death. Do you agree that Kronk should be considered a suspect?

    Choice
    Votes
    Percentage of 3328 Votes

    Yes 347 10%

    No 2981 90%

    Thank you for participating in our survey. Check back to see how others voted.

  290. Kl said, on November 27, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    Scotswoman, great post, the fallacy of when George last saw Caylee will be debunked also. And to Cindy’s own chat with a federal officer, with one other federal officer in the room, and all caught on audio/video, Cindy tells the Blanchard Park story as it happened on ‘the 14th’ as “the day that Casey couldn’t get.” (strange, huh!– rest of the sentence falls off the face of the earth).

    Cindy says also, ‘the 14th’ to answer the FBI’s question of when Lee and Casey talked about the Blanchard Park new kidnapping with the tall blonde woman (Cindy uses the word ‘Amy’). What ’14?’ No 14th in the 31 days, except for July 14th, the day before Casey came home.

    Was Casey, with Lee’s help, (and Baez pointing out the problem with the Sawgrass story once Mr. Morgan’s client was found and cleared), now setting up a new scenario in which there was no 31 days? The child was with someone but not Casey, until the 14th, and then what? Oh yes, Caylee phoned her mommy on the 15th, all happy and chatty. Makes even less sense.

    I’m beginning to believe that the help Casey had in all this, was in helping her fabricate better ones. But they weren’t better ones.

    I would like to listen to Lee’s FBI interview– we have George and Cindy, but no Lee. Why—

  291. RS said, on November 27, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    Ki,

    If you think that is interesting read the SAO depos where SAO asks them about that 2nd version of Zenaida at Blanchard.

    Since Casey was arrested while chirping the Sawgrass version right up to arrest and jailed and since she had not bonded out of jail yet even for the first time and since you cannot hear any 2nd version on jail visitation tapes

    just where did this 2nd version come from since the LE interviews were while she was in jail……..

    I believe SAO knows exactly where it came from and when….and intends to let the jury in on it too.

  292. BEES KNEES said, on November 27, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    Excellent comments, Scotswoman. You’re absolutely right! Either scenario is theatre of the absurd!!! It’s one thing to accuse, another to prove. It certainly could further damage her, big time ~ “mucho egg on faces,” as you say. I’m always surprised at what they hope we’ll believe, as though we’ve followed a big rabbit down a deep hole and now we are through the looking-glass so stay away from grinning cats and don’t drink from any little bottles that say “Drink Me.” I wonder who they’ll target next.

  293. Yankee said, on November 27, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Must ask this question, do Mr Baez’s prior bad acts show he has done much worse than KRONK! Read this. http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/decisions/pre2004/ops/sc95855.pdf

  294. Scotswoman said, on November 27, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Anthony, with respect, I cant agree with that analagly to the OJ case.

    Firstly, here, we dont have a lazy complacent prosecution team or an inept judge. Lessons were learned and forensic establishments throughout the USA took note after the OJ travesty.

    Nor can you compare the likes of Sheck, F Lee Bailey and Cochrane with Kenny Baden, Lyon and Baez. The defence would have to link Kronk to Casey on 16th June and present a plausible scenario of how he, a total stranger chose Caylee to victimise and persuaded Casey to behave as she did for the next 31 days.

    Then we have the rather inconvenient Zany the nanny to explain away and just why Casey never deviated from that story until 18 months after her child disappeared. Officially she hasnt. Then the evidence in the car, her car which a world renowned forensic entymologist Neil Haskel will testify had a decomposing corpse inside. A forensic computer expert will no doubt testify to searches on her computer for chloroform and missing children sites. I could go on…….. the rare Henkel duct tape, the Winnie the Pooh blanket etc

    And Robert Dick and Tracy McLaughlin will testify to Cindy and Casey herself leaning towards Jesse Grund whilst she was bonded out.

    Kronk might not be a choirboy but he DOES NOT tick any of the boxes that would explain Casey Anthony’s litany of lies and the evidence in the trunk of her car.

    The sprectre of OJ is being raised imo simply because of the so called noteriety of the lawyers involved and the wrongly attributed term of “Dream Team”.

    Personally, I think if OJ’S lawyers had inherited the Casey Anthony case with her wild story and stench filled car, they would have taken that limited immunity deal or played the temprary insanity card.

  295. toodygoodshoes said, on November 27, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    The defense probably has never dealt with anyone quite like Casey Anthony. They know the obstacles they face and are going to do everything and anything to get her acquitted. However, IMO they know she’s going to be convicted and they are concentrating most of their energy on preparing to keep her from being sentenced to death.

  296. Scotswoman said, on November 27, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    Beesknees

    LOL ………… Alice in Wonderland ……Brilliant

  297. Kl said, on November 27, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    Scotswoman, the need to have a witness point to the 16th rather than the 15th as the day Caylee went missing, you also have made clear. The 15th not only would point to an event in the Anthony household to cause Casey to act/leave, etc, but as importantly, the 15th is a Sunday, not a normal working day for Casey (but who knows, with her odd schedule), which could be one reason to use the more convenient sighting of the pair on their way to ‘work/sitter’.

    Beyond this, is another important reason for the defense, and that is Cindy would not be home or with Caylee during a Monday while Cindy was working, and so if a stranger were to ‘enter the picture’, that bad stranger person, would have a better chance at snatching the toddler while Cindy was not on watch (ie: Sunday) and said ‘stranger bad person’ could take advantage of a ‘mom on her computer’ being momentarily inattentive, and also, meter readers and the like, are in neighborhoods wandering around, poking at people’s property, looking over fences, or going through gates and no one would notice anything out of the ordinary– on a ‘Monday’ vs a ‘Sunday’.

    But Diners, Dives and Drive-In’s does not air on the Food Channel on Mondays, it airs on SUNDAYS.

  298. Scotswoman said, on November 27, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Hi KI

    You are very observant, I did notice Cindy’s 14th…… deliberate mistake…… and the way she side stepped the agent’s question. She also uses the 14th when talking about Casey’s erratic phone calls when we all know Lee was referring to the afternoon of 16th.

    Cindy was trying her best to persuade the FBI that Casey might have been in the midst of desperately trying to contact someone , presumably after she was thrown to the ground by BIG Zany at Blanchard Park. I think she used the 14th to avoid the obvious, that when Casey made her so called flurry of calls , most of those calls were to Cindy and George. She didnt want to explain why neither she or hubby repeatedly failed to answer the phone. And there is no way Cindy Anthony got the 14th confused with the 16th, not after the initial 9th shinola.

    What was really telling for me about Cindy’s stint with the Federal agents was how she claimed her biggest concern was that no-one was looking for Caylee ,yet for the most part she talked about Casey and not Caylee. Her goal was to rationalise her craxy daughter’s behaviour and implicate Amy and Riccardo.Renmember those clues. lol Caylee quickly got lost. But Cindy imo is very easy to read. For example when she talks of how they all used the white pontiac and it was often full of the family’s sweaty clothes, I immedaitely thought she was laying the ground should they find Caylee’s DNA in the trunk.

    She tells the agents the Blanchard Park story would likely soon be public knowledge which suggests to me that Baez was toying with the idea of going public with the new story, the story that hopefully would replace the vacant sawgrass nonsense.
    He never did…….probably thought better of it but Cindy just couldnt keep her gob shut.

    I dont think Lee talked with the FBI…….simply because Cindy initiated the meetings. It was her idea and they for the most part just let her run her mouth off. Im sure afterwards the tapes were scrutinised by OCSD and probably an FBI profiler.

  299. linda from jersey said, on November 27, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    Can anyone tell me anything more about “Joy Wray”. I don’t want to form an opinion without hearing more about her, and what her reason for being involved in this case is.

    I know she seems to have some mental issues, and have heard about the Baker Act, so I am referring to anything other than those points. I guess I am tring to put together what the defense thinks they can use her for in this case, especially with her history.

    What little I have seen of her leaves the impression that there is something severly out of the norm there, so why the interest in her?

  300. Kl said, on November 27, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    It took me quite some time, to notice/hear ‘the 14th’ on the first video, then to hear it with the BP story (next section of the fbi video), then she repeats her ‘mistake’ a third time. No mistake, agree– re: shinola– I didn’t have a term the for it! Thanks!

    Lee was with George and Cindy, and he too was filling out a questionaire, at least I assumed that, I doubt he would have been helping George with his, that wasn’t the point. Then Lee didn’t stay the whole day as things went on so long with Cindy and he left to do something else. I’m not sure that the FBI didn’t talk to Lee also, afterall, they had a missing baby, and Lee was the one who Casey had first confided in when she came home, with a huffing, pacing mother outside her bedroom door.

    (did you also notice how Cindy went to extra lengths to explain she was never violent with her daughter when they argued, didn’t get physical, and doesn’t stop at the basic explanation of when you say ‘I’ll shh–shake the sh*#! out of you’ it’s not literal but then she wouldn’t actually do that, but she goes on to add (without prompting) if someone says ‘I’ll kill you”, they don’t mean literally they are going to ‘Kill someone’, it’s just an expression, like (and she goes on… way too much)

    Yes, Baez would like to have been in that FBI room with her to shout “ZIP IT!” as he did when she wanted to explain/clarify too much about that photo, that Baez didn’t want to have revealed that Cindy saw Casey remove from the home– you know, surrounding that Caylee in the Big Trouble Tshirt. Did the prosecutors set Cindy up by having a note in that photograph, so she was going to need to go into ‘detail’ and ‘clarification’ mode, and spill something, as she almost did in her insistance to ‘go detail’?!?! Interesting that it was some lawyer not her own, who directed this woman to ‘ZIP IT!!’. Brad sat there… zipped himself.

  301. Kl said, on November 27, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    Linda, best place to start with that one, is to head to the wftv list of docs, and pull out the transcript. You will understand a lot more. Yes, Baker Acted something like 6 times.

    She didn’t mention any little ‘video’ she had to prove Caylee not there– only photos, which she showed to everyone she could. No one was very interested. What did she do, create a little video herself, with those photos montaged in or something? Or did someone with an interest in this ‘proof’, supply her with a little ‘footage’ with dating on the camera set to prove the defense’s position. She’s too risky, but I think she was used by the defense, setting her up like a little non-shrinking ‘violet’ so she’d be picked up by some unwary media person (like WESH). And watch her during the court hearing, that will tell you a lot too, not a great attention span. And scroll back, see the little video she made to show her new ‘go to court red hair dye job’ for the next day. She’s always creating videos. She is not important, but I suspect the defense is using her for the hype.

  302. RS said, on November 27, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Linda,

    Go here and read her transcribed interview with OCSO…then compare that with present claim of video

    wftv.com/pdf/19735491/detail.html

    Also note at one time she was running around holding a Caylee is Alive poster at events in the news going on and this after Casey was indicted for 1st degree murder…

  303. RS said, on November 27, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Claims about Kronk are appearing even more outrageous than the absurdity when you first heard them.

    IMO this appears to be an actual 2 page letter from the mother of the EX who claims Kronk used duct tape.

    She says the gal has past done jail time, also arrested this year and faces court for same at time of writing the letter, is Bipolar and has cancer, apparently writes bad checks too. Very sad for the mother of her if this is same woman and appears it is, but IMO no excuse for what she may have said or will say of Kronk.

    forallthewaysyoucare.com/view_story/storyid=4726418206195651796&viewmode=true#

  304. mikka said, on November 27, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    LINDA,joy say she saw no body there in november!!impossible,it was all under water there and tim miller and L.E have the photos,she is lying!!!

  305. Jeansee said, on November 27, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    MR. Schaeffer ….. What is your take on all these motions filed November 25,2009 by Lyon and BAEZ?
    11/25/2009 Motion
    to Declare Florida Statute Section 921.141 Unconstitutional Under Ring vs. Arizona
    11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law
    in Support of Defendant’s Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Under Ring vs. Arizona
    11/25/2009 Motion
    to Declare Fla. Stat. 921.141(5)(h) and/or the Standard (5)(h) Jury Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied
    11/25/2009 Memorandum
    Supporting Motion to Declare Fla. Stat. 921.141(5)(h) and/or the Standard (5)(h) Jury instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied
    11/25/2009 Motion
    to Declare Section 921.141(5)(d) Florida Statute and/or the Section 921.141(5)(d) Standard Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied and to Preclude their Application at Bar
    11/25/2009 Memorandum
    of Law in Support of Defendant’s Motion to Declare Section 921.141(5)(d) Florida Statute and/or the Section 921.141(5)(d) Standard Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied and to Preclude their Application at Bar
    11/25/2009 Motion
    to Declare Florida Statutes 921.141(5)(I) Unconstitutional and to Preclude its Use in the Present Case
    11/25/2009 Memorandum
    of Law in Support of Motion to Declare Florida Statutes 921.141(5)(I) Unconstitutional and to Preclude its Use in the Present Case
    11/25/2009 Motion
    to Declare Florida Statute 921.141(5)(L) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied, and to Preclude its Use in the Case at Bar
    11/25/2009 Memorandum
    of Law in Support of Defendant’s Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141(5)(L) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied, and to Preclude its Use in the Case at Bar
    11/25/2009 Motion
    (Defendant’s) for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances
    11/25/2009 Memorandum
    of Law in Support of Defendant’s Motion for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances
    11/25/2009 Other
    Table of Exhibits in Support of Defendant’s Motion for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Factors
    11/25/2009 Memorandum
    of Law in Support of Defendant’s Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
    11/25/2009 Objection
    Written Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
    11/25/2009 Other
    Table of Exhibits for Defendant’s Written Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
    11/25/2009 Motion
    to Declare 921.141(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority)
    11/25/2009 Memorandum
    of Law in Support of Motion to Declare 921.141(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority)
    11/25/2009 Motion
    to Declare 921.141 Florida Statutes Unconstitutional Because it Improperly Shifts Burdens of Proof to the Defendant, Thereby Creating a Presumption of Death
    11/25/2009 Motion
    to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury’s Role at the Penalty Phase Being ‘Advisory’ or to the Jury’s Penalty Verdict as Being a ‘Recommendation’
    11/25/2009 Memorandum
    of Law in Support of Defendant’s Motion to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury’s Role at the Penalty Phase as Being ‘Advisory’ or to the Jury’s Penalty Verdict as Being a ‘Recommendation’
    11/25/2009 Exhibit(s)
    in Support of Motion to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury’s Role at the Penalty Phase Being ‘Advisory’ or to the Jury’s Penalty Verdict as Being a ‘Recommendation’
    11/25/2009 Motion
    to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Due to its Failure to Narrow the Scope of the Death Penalty
    11/25/2009 Memorandum
    of Law in Support of Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Due to its Failure to Narrow the Scope of the Death Penalty
    11/25/2009 Motion
    for Jury Instructions Correctly Defining “Premeditation”
    11/25/2009 Memorandum
    Accompanying Motion for Jury Instructions Correctly Defining “Premeditation”

  306. Kl said, on November 27, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    Linda, you will also note in the transcript that RS gives the easy link source, what she says about her daughter and George. She is not with it, the police scare her with simple questions about how far she was from the spot Caylee was found– estimates of no. of feet, confuse her. If the defense is putting her in purple in the ‘gallery’ for some reason, they will never let her near the stand. The Anthony’s were using her to gain TES info or maybe info on her as a suspect, maybe her husband should also worry. Once read, you will see this person has no possible worth to the state, to TES, to the Anthony’s or to the joint defense mud making machine. She will never be a witness in court.

  307. Kl said, on November 27, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    It may be just the right timing for the political satire cartoonists, to take a few pen sketches in the direction of how innocent citizens, are being skewered and held to the flame by those under the Baez hug umbrella.

  308. Kl said, on November 27, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    Jeansee, I think Ms. Lyon answered that question quite nicely in her lecture, when she said that she wins about one (1) Motion per decade. And she noted that she can’t wait until ‘next year’ when she’s due for another win.

    If Ms. Lyons Motion winning stats are any indication, she may need to advance a ‘more is better’, because you just never know when you’ll win one, and you can’t win one if you don’t file it.

    I think Mr. Schaeffer once commented, that we should expect to see a flurry of motions come September, and that’s happening– that’s quite a list for Judge Strickland!! Now which one will she win…

  309. RS said, on November 27, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Jeansee,

    My take:

    Those students have been busy.

  310. Scotswoman said, on November 27, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    KI

    I think it shows the desperation and use of the bluff factor with this defence, when they resorted to use Joy Wray in one of their hastily written motions. Joy claimed she hadn’t been deposed by them when she talked to Bob Kealing of Wesh news. She told him she hoped she was NOT the person in the motion but thought she probably was. Weird or what?

    Notably, in the motion she was elevated to the rank of TES Team Leader .

    Ive heard the woman named in their latest TES motion has been described by Nejame as another Anthony groupie……She hails from New York and admits she and her team went maverick.
    New York is a long way from Orlando …….

    For people that dont know Joy, she was the one in the purple shirt sitting at the back of the court on 16th October 2009. How easy is it to get into these hearings if you’re not one of the press core?? Is Joy now suddently getting some attention from Baez and Co??

    http://www.youtube.com/user/weshtv#p/search/2/Ae5J_ObjkTw

  311. Fidget said, on November 27, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    Scotswoman, (re your post at 11:31am)

    In your post you stated:
    “And George tells us he saw them leave the house at around 12.50.pm before HE left for work at approx 2.30pm. We can assume he told the grand jury this also. The defence next have to get around the fact that Casey Anthony was pinged around the Anthony home until approximately 16.00hrs,and that there was high computer activity on the Anthony desktop until 3pm. She was pinged again in the vicinity of Tony Lazzaro’s apt at around 16.30pm and was DEFINITELY with Lazarro in Blockbusters at 19.58pm”

    I have two points to make in conjunction with you excellent post.

    1) I always found it very difficult to believe that George, provided the police, in great detail I might add, a complete description of what Casey and Caylee were wearing, from detailing of colors to type backpack, one month AFTER the fact. yet, If you read his other statements, he can barely remember other facts like “who did she steal the check from?”. Always seemed rather odd to me that he would choose this day to remember such specific detail.

    2) After reading your post from above, I went back to catch another lie (as if we need to find another). I may be late with this one, but it is one the defense will have to deal with, or so I hope, and a myraid of others.

    If you read here: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6036028/2008-0716-Casey-Anthony-Police-Interview-0411-Hours (on page 9 line 14-25), Casey states she came back to the “nanny’s” after work, paced around, made some calls, went to Blanchard, then around 7pm went to Tony’s. Yet, cell phone pings indicate she was never far from home (if she left at all), and it never, of course, pinged even close to Sawgrass or Blanchard.

    With the glowing stain they found on the rug on the back porch, I’m really starting to think that Caylee died in the Anthony home and not in the trunk. Just a thought I wanted to put out there.

  312. linda from jersey said, on November 27, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    Thanks to all of you for the information to look for. I’ll read this weekend. My original thought was the 15 minutes of fame thing with her, but there is something so off with her that I’m baffled.

  313. Scotswoman said, on November 27, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    Figet

    I think George surprised alot of peole with his description of what Caylee was wearing, right down to her little white bacback with monkeys on it. And you’re right there are many examples of his poor memory deliberate or otherwise. The event I find strange is when he talks about following her in his wife’s green SUV. It turns out he got his dates badly mixed up.

    But in the beginning didn’t George seem at ease with throwing Casey under the bus?. Some times he offers up too much information, actually treatng the officers like some sort of confessors. Just my own obvservation.

    But as mentioned by RS and KI, all three of the Anthonys Cindy, George and Lee lied in their sworn depositions to the State about just when they first heard about Casey’s new story that Caylee was actually taken from her at Blanchard Park.They further claimed they had never gotten any written communication from her whilst she was in jail.

    Cindy is heard quite clearly telling the FBI about this new version on 30th July 2008 whilst Casey was still in jail. The jailhouse and audio tapes of the family visiting never discuss this new story. This and George’s denial he put the Henkel duct tape on the gas can imo is what could lead to the State to follow through post- trial with OOJ.
    or at the very least have them made hostile witnesses for the trial.

  314. Fidget said, on November 27, 2009 at 8:49 pm

    The wild SUV chase George details has always been one of the “and where did THAT come from??” moment for me. It doesn’t it in anywhere and doesn’t make any sense. I honestly cannot imagine him doing it either, especially after being “scolded” to leave things alone and to let the master of the house handle all Casey dilemas.

    Not only did George seem at ease when throwing Casey under the bus (and rightfully so), but he always appeared to try an “make friends” with the detectives. Early on, he was very talkative, going from one subject to another, yet not making any clear sentences, and at the same time was giving them the “Hey, I’ve been one of you. I know what this looks like to you. Heck it looks like that to me too”. Then, he would slip back in his own world.. again. Later, he is almost defiant with them, blaiming them for trying to “trip him up” and suddenly cannot remember details about anything, of course, except that day he last saw Caylee.

    Something is amiss. :)

    If I remember correctly, there as a lot of talk about a “letter” early on when Casey was in jail. There was even a text written to Cindy from Lee concerning a letter and a jail house visit talking about letter (I think the one when George spoke to her alone). I also remember a media interview where George talks about a letter being written by Casey and give to Baez and George saying he hadn’t seen the letter yet. He seemed very sure he would soon. I will have to go back and see if I can find the media interview with him talking about the letter. It was right around the time when he swore Casey never drank. :)

    George’s whole statement about him not putting the tape on the gas can raised so many red flags for me. He seemed so ticked off someonbe would even remotely accuse him of doing such sloppy work, moreseo than the fact that it matched the tape found around his granddaughter’s mouth. THAT was his contention: He, George Anthony, would never do such a messy job. He cut things perfect, he placed things perfect, and this tape was not put on by him because well, it wasn’t perfect.

    I would love to hear the audio on that rather than read the transcript. He does not hesitate when he speaks about the “tape job”. He is clear, almost angry, and is very direct. He is not like that with any other question.

    The whole “the nanny threw me down to the ground” story is interesting and after reading all of their statments about when it happened, how it happened and who actually came up with the story, is baffling. It’s almost as if they tried to get the story straight,. but didn’t have enough time to talk about it to make sure they it all down pat.

    Although I would love to watch this trial, I really don’t think there will be one.

  315. tom said, on November 27, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    about cindy and lee’s prosecution dep,i noticed they tell different times of when they knew the PI-dom casey was searching the place where the body was found-cindy says she only found this out after caylee was found,i think she says 12-11-08 and lee says that he and cindy knew about it when it was happening and even argued over it-because it was searching for a dead caylee-those are lee’s exact words-he was mad about it because they were searching for a dead caylee-anyone else notice that?now i tend to believe lee on this-so cindy is forsure lying about that,ok now about caseys attorney named A.Lyon-i didnt really no alot about her so i goggled her case’s in Ill’and one case really stood out to me how scorched earth she can be-she let a innocent man stay in jail for more then 20 years and had evidence to free the man but sat on it until her cliant died in jail to finally come out with it,her and 4 other attorney’s for the guilty guy knew a innocent man was in jail and how lyons justified this was if she came forward to get the innocent guy out of jail her cliant could have faced the death penalty and since the innocent man only got life in prison they would just have there guilty cliant write out a confession and only come forward when there cliant die’s in jail,now i know legally they did the right thing but how can you live with yourself knowing a innocent man is rotting in jail?also after reading about the case there were ways that they could of leaked this info,i.e the cops could of linked the guilty guy to a gun used in the crime,if i was a lawyer and knew 100% my cliant was guilty and a innocent man was in jail-i couldnt live with that-id bite the bullet and get the innocent guy out of jail and go to truck driving school,if anyone else looks up that case let me know what you think-thanks everyone and happy hoildays to all

  316. tom said, on November 28, 2009 at 12:22 am

    i forgot to add about the lyons case-i looked this case up months ago when lyons came onto caseys case-but it was a double murder at a mcdonalds with a 12 gauge,i could probley find it again if anyone cant find it,lyons was not the lead attorney but it did say she was the one who wrote out the guilty guys confession and signed it,also the innocent guy did end up getting out of jail after the guilty guy died in prison but it was over 20 years he was in there,also i’d really like to hear what bill sheaffer thinks of this?thanks again all

  317. detwill39 said, on November 28, 2009 at 12:32 am

    Tom~~yes, Lyon let a man spend 26 years in prison, knowing he was innocent. How could she sleep at night?

    I recall Lee stating in his deposition that he was ticked off because the Private Investigator was searching for a deceased Caylee. Cindy told LE that she had a man, she did not specify whom, do a walk through out at Suburban near the school. Of course, we know it was Dominic Casey in November. Unfortunately Cindy cannot keep her stories straight. In order to be a good liar, you must have a good memory. The truth is so much easier to remember.

  318. tom said, on November 28, 2009 at 12:59 am

    well detwill39-i know you are right about the truth is easier to remember but the truth and the anthonys are complete strangers–about attorneys leaving innocent people in prison-i’m just saying that i couldnt do it,so id probley be a sucky lawyer but after reading about that case-there were ways of leaking info out that the bar would not of found out about,i’m just amazed 5 lawyers could keep a secret for 26 years-take care-

  319. Scotswoman said, on November 28, 2009 at 1:17 am

    “The whole “the nanny threw me down to the ground” story is interesting and after reading all of their statments about when it happened, how it happened and who actually came up with the story, is baffling. It’s almost as if they tried to get the story straight,. but didn’t have enough time to talk about it to make sure they it all down pat.”

    Figet

    I think you might be right about the getting it “down pat” Im thinking it was possibly something concocted between Cindy, Lee, and Casey with lawyer approval but probably wasnt yet ready for public cosumption. lol Didnt Cindy miss out the script? I think Cindy blurted it out to the FBI. I thnk the bones of it though came from Casey, after all it was one of the reasons she found herself in jail…….lying to the police.

    One thing that’s clear about Cindy is she doesnt like loose ends and if she can find a story that fits the bill, she will. It doesnt have to be a sensible one. Hence Riccardo or Amy could = Zany and Caylee might be alive cause she had 20 teeth, not 18 and we know that in ‘Cindy’ world pizza’s and wrotting corpses are indistinguishable and science is just science.

    After they tried it out on Padilla and crew, Im sure Lee and Baez deemed it not such a good idea. And remember if Baez knew of it which he surely did as he was playing postman,why didn’t he share it with LE immediately . Weren’t they looking for Caylee.?
    And wouldnt it have been vital that detectives knew exactly form where Caylee had been taken from.?

  320. tom said, on November 28, 2009 at 1:21 am

    i had one more question-if casey is found guilty on the check charges and is sentenced to prison time-would she be moved to a prison right after sentencing or would she stay in orange co jail until her murder trial starts?seems like they might not need a murder trial if they get casey in a fl.prison after her check case-just a thought-thanks

  321. Scotswoman said, on November 28, 2009 at 1:41 am

    “Although I would love to watch this trial, I really don’t think there will be one.”

    Figet

    I keep thinking about Casey’s chat with Tracy McLaughlin where she talks of a mistrial. The last thing this crew want is to have to present Casey’s story to a jury.

    So will we have the MOTHER of all motions. ‘ Casey Anthony cant get a fair trial in America’. Im sure one of Lyon’s students is already filling a scrap book with every article that has ever been written about Casey Anthony.

    I think the Jury Selection in the coming fraud trial will be made into a Production by Baez and Lyons and if not prevented, they will be giving nightly updates on their favourite talk shows about just how with Casey being so infamous,the normal voir dire doesnt suffice.

    And ofcourse the headlines keep being generated. Job done.

    jmho

    But, I really think Judge Strickland has to start taking control of this circus and at the very least he should be slapping a gag on the lawyers.

  322. Scotswoman said, on November 28, 2009 at 1:58 am

    Tom, Im guessing, but I would think the Judge would have some discretion there and if her sentence was less than time already served he might just allow her to say in the OC jail.

    Given her noteriety they dont want anything happening to her.

    Im sure in prison as opposed to the less populated jail and despite being placed in protective custody,she would still be in earshot of the mainstream population. And I think these women would have plenty to say.

    I too would like to hear more on this……mayby Bill Sheaffer could oblige.

  323. Scotswoman said, on November 28, 2009 at 3:53 am

    “On 17 January 2009
    Geraldo asks Conway, “Do you think there’s more funky information to come out about him [Kronk]?” to which Conway replies, “I know there is.”
    Geraldo Video w/Brad Conway – start @ 1:50 mark Brad Conway’s statement about Roy Kronk”
    youtube.com/watch?v=4oGQ1-otlD0

    Well spotted RS

    Ang given Geraldo’s blatant bias in favour of his cruising buddy Jose, I think its a fair assumption that this was scripted.

    I have alot of respect for Strickland and realise he is being tested big time with this case but surely, he has to realise that Conway is merely an extension of the Casey defence team.

    So, if there is ever to be a gag order imposed on the participating lawyers, it should most definitely include this guy.

    .

  324. Julie said, on November 28, 2009 at 9:22 am

    Scotswoman said, on November 28, 2009 at 1:17 am
    “The whole “the nanny threw me down to the ground” story is interesting and after reading all of their statments about when it happened, how it happened and who actually came up with the story, is baffling. It’s almost as if they tried to get the story straight,. but didn’t have enough time to talk about it to make sure they it all down pat.”

    Figet

    I think you might be right about the getting it “down pat” Im thinking it was possibly something concocted between Cindy, Lee, and Casey with lawyer approval but probably wasnt yet ready for public cosumption. lol Didnt Cindy miss out the script? I think Cindy blurted it out to the FBI. I thnk the bones of it though came from Casey, after all it was one of the reasons she found herself in jail…….lying to the police.

    ————————-
    Funny how one lie too many, like “She handed me a script to follow for 31 days”, which must have included partying at Fusion’s, getting a Bella Vita tattoo, and smiling in all those pictures, really exposes the whole story as one big fat lie. She will never be able to half-truth her way into a reasonable explanation for how she behaved after Caylee was gone.

  325. Joseph said, on November 28, 2009 at 10:46 am

    It is my understanding that Ms. Lyon’s latest client was killed by Lethal Injection eleven months ago. Why is that not discussed more?

    Do they have LWOP that includes some type of “Labor”…scrubbing floors, laundry etc…

  326. Kl said, on November 28, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    Joseph, good question. Kathi Belich, in her raw interview of Mr. Schaeffer (the one pulled), states to Mr. Schaeffer, that she (Ms. Lyons) has a perfect record (presumably no one has been killed on her watch).

    In that very same lecture though, Ms. Lyon talks about her client’s family that he was convicted of killing, three members plus a surviving member, a sister-in-law. The comment of Ms. Lyons about this client and the family, was that the sister-in-law survived and was on Oprah “as if I didn’t have enough God Damned problems”.

    On Oprah, we find the family and the sister-in-law ‘survivor’, we find the client also being interviewed with his family on Oprah, we find further, an MSNBC report on the client ON DEATH ROW (now, how’d that happen on a ‘perfect record’?) And we also find the State of Illinois order for sentence of death to be carried out by lethal injection, of this same client.

    We then have entry of Ms. Lyons to the Casey Anthony case, in the spring of 2009, and we have Mr. Baez spouting her CV in the court hearing (including the infamous ‘win’ record if I recall correctly, before objects intervene), and we have the WDBO (clickorlando) video reporter, Mr. Tony Pipitone, announcing that Ms. Lyon can truthfully state that she has no one on death row.

    This is lying without lying– of course it’s true. Ms. Lyon’s client was put to death before sunrise on December 11, 2008, so it was true, that she had no client on death row. (the same client that didn’t quite kill his sister-in-law who unfortunately for Ms. Lyon, went on Oprah causing her even more GD problems).

    What I would think would be appropriate, is for Ms. Belich to check into this ‘deception’, the ‘half-truth’, or the ‘non-whole truth’ that is creating the perception of this perfect ‘record’. This is not something that originates with the notorious ‘lecture’, it is out there in public/jury pool perception, about the power of this woman. It’s an ‘Urban Legend’ of sorts, propagated and propagandized by the Tony Pipitones into a false ‘record’ for Ms. Lyon.

    Ms. Belich could, without going near this ‘problem’ lecture etc, dig into her perception of this ‘perfect win record’. Look into the easily found Illinois documents ordering the death and the subsequent carrying out of sentence, for Mr. Eric Wrinkles. Check how this record doesn’t name Ms. Lyons, but maybe Ms. Belich can find the record that does name the lawyers. The Oprah show has it’s interviews of the family, including the sister-in-law.

    How many other clients did Ms. Lyon have, that went on Oprah, who killed his mother, father, brother (or was it uncle), with a survivor to cause the problems for Lyon, on Oprah.

    Ms. Belich could help by setting the defense propaganda (lies by deception if not technically a lie when you let others jump to conclusions) about Ms. Lyon’s loss and client’s death.

    This would be timely, because within two weeks, we will have Ms. Anthony appearing in court on the very anniversary of the find of her daughter’s scattered and overgrown/intergrown little bones in the no longer flooded, mucky foliage covered swamp.

    When Ms. Anthony is awakened early for her preparations for court, she will be preparing for a hearing on the very same morning before sunrise, that Mr. Eric Wrinkles, Ms. Lyon’s client, was being prepared for his walk to the death chamber for sentence to be carried out.

    Will anyone inform Ms. Anthony that her good DP lawyer, lost this last one? That she is now walking in the same steps as Mr. Wrinkles did, as he went through pre-trial hearings, or will the facts of BOTH 1 year anniversaries be lost on the client, will she make her preparations for this hearing without knowing about Mr. Wrinkles?

    This would be a good bit of reporting, fact-based, not inflamatory, but clearing up the Lyon ‘Urban Legend’ of her ‘clean record of wins’.

  327. Kl said, on November 28, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    Scotswoman,

    You wrote: “I have alot of respect for Strickland and realise he is being tested big time with this case but surely, he has to realise that Conway is merely an extension of the Casey defence team.

    Yes, Judge Strickland proved that he realized that Mr. Conway’s clients were now on the side of the ‘defense’ when he said just that in the last hearing– you know, Judge Strickland’s question to Brad as he sat in the gallery as an observer, that including this realization that his clients were now on the defense side, and at which time Judge Strickland turns his question to Ms. Drane-Burdick, to ask that she too, was interested in ‘protecting the family’ (ie: Mr. Conway’s clients) and the resulting ‘NO’, Ms. Drane reminded the judge that the state was ‘PROTECTING THE CHILD’.

    Judge Strickland was set straight, he has no misconceptions now, of the state’s interest in the child first and that he recognized that George Anthony and his wife, are on the ‘other side’.

    Good point, Scotswoman, just reinforcing your observation that yes, Judge Stan must realize.

  328. Kl said, on November 28, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    (of course, Ms. Lyon could claim that the only reason she lost the sentence phase for Mr. W. was because Mr. W. had acknowledged what he did. Ms. Lyon might be using this to illustrate just how important it is, for Casey herself, to NEVER tell, never plea, and after the guilt phase, if found guilty, she should continue to hold her lie/line. Will Ms. Lyon advise also, that her December 11, 2008 executed client, had the benefit of needing far more agreement of the jury, than a simple Florida required, majority– far easier to lose at sentencing)

  329. Fidget said, on November 29, 2009 at 8:30 am

    Kl,

    That was a great post! Thank you for the summation of what really occured!

  330. judypc said, on November 29, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    What speaks volumes about Ms Lyons morals, or lack there of, she allowed an innocent man to set in prison for 26 years while she protected the guilty party.

    Lyon’s reasoned that since Mr. Logan was not getting the death penalty it did not matter if he had to spend his life in jail.
    She saw no reason to come forward & speak up, the truth was not important, justice was not important and equally not important was Mr. Logan’s life.

    Now I understand a defense attorney’s code not to incriminate their client, BUT she sat silent for many -many years while an innocent man rotted in prison, and she did nothing on his behalf.

    And would have allowed him to still be there, he was saved by The Innocence Project when they took on his case and was able to prove who the guilty party truly was.

    How can Mr. Logan, get those years back?
    Ms. Lyon would have you think she cares about “justice”, where was this innocent mans justice in her eyes?

    What is also not highly published in her touting of greatness is her 100 percent win is not exactly true, she has never had a client proven innocent and released from prison, and she has a habit of dropping clients when she knows she is loosing.

    There will be an automatic appeal in Casey Anthony‘s case, incompetent counsel will be the factor

    With a sister in film making and Ms Lyon’s book-deals, trust me some serious deals & money are being made.
    Her strategies are well documented in 12 books.
    All the prosecution has to do is read, and prepare counters, and press the Judge to stop her theatrical productions.

    I believe whole heartedly it is time for sanctions to be levied against Jose’ and team, the judge needs to stop this now before trial, or there will be a Mistrial damn Skippy.
    And the state must start again, and the tax payers will of course foot the bill.

  331. Honeymom said, on November 29, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Judge Strickland from what I have seem of him appears to be a quiet, fair and competant judge.
    I feel confident that he is looking at the big picture and I have to let him do his job.
    Remember at the bond hearing he said that her story was bizarre and that kc and the truth were strangers ? this aint no judge ito

  332. Bswayzee said, on November 30, 2009 at 2:22 am

    judypc said, on November 29, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    What speaks volumes about Ms Lyons morals, or lack there of, she allowed an innocent man to set in prison for 26 years while she protected the guilty party……… judypc thank you for this excellent post , it says it all loud and crystal clear. I would like to give a nod to all the other equally as good people that post here , KI , scotswoman , Fidget , Tom and RS to name a few . I am really enjoying reading here , thank you.

  333. RS said, on November 30, 2009 at 7:56 am

    Ki,

    In the exchange between Burdick and the Judge, he did come back with a snip at her IMO….

    when she said NO…..and said she was there for the child.

    He did come back with well she is family….I thought that was a bit sarcastic….

  334. linda from jersey said, on November 30, 2009 at 8:35 am

    I love reading the comments here, they are informative and to the point, and always about the topic of the post.

    I agree that Judge Strickland is not Lance Ito, thank God, but I become concerned with the level of “tom foolery” for the lack of a better word, that he allows the defense to get away with. I keep waiting for him to say enough already, move forward with your case, and that does not happen. I understand that he is most likely doing all in his power to assure that there will be no mistrial, but a simple gag order on the defense and the grandparents of the victim would have gone a long way in preventing that, in my opinion.

    I also believe that if George and Cindy had not been allowed to profit off the death of Caylee, they would have gone back to work, and had to occupy their time earning an honest living, instead of running around attempting to taint the jury pool.

  335. RS said, on November 30, 2009 at 9:07 am

    On the article about Lyon letting a guy rot in prison…

    It appears from the quotes, other in the article only if he faced death penalty would she intervene but supposedly does not even know how she would do that according to the article.

    Real big of her or IMO real sinister of her.

    As if in prison inmates don’t face that as a real possibility by attacks from other inmates.

    So, we have one example per article of what she does with people she knows are innocent, so then is it really any surprise with what is pulled on Kronk or likely possibility others any day, week or month into future as this case progresses?

    And according to the report, she was NOT even the attorney of record for the guilty guy, just filled a stenographer and witness role, but took it upon herself to view herself as though bound to secrecy.

    If this is typical of defense attorneys, also if the outfit that hosts these seminars likes their content cloaked in secrecy, it is disgusting.

    Notice local news media never challenges her on what she did or did not do regarding the innocent guy lingering in prison.

  336. sterling1462 said, on November 30, 2009 at 10:37 am

    So the Great Judge Strickland and the State atty office has allowed Baez to spill is chit for well over a week with no sign of defending Roy Kronk. Boy can you imagine if Baez could do this to Mr. Kronk imagine what he will do to every one of the searchers……

    Notice he does not attack the background of Joy Wray… how’s hubby works for Baez?

    This is a sample of what is to come ….

  337. sterling1462 said, on November 30, 2009 at 11:50 am

    Judge Strickland Please help protect the rights of the innocent

    The fact remains that Caylee’s body was not discovered by TES Volunteers. They have the right to stay anonymous and clear of this case. If one or many come forward themselves and choose to speak, that is their right. If they choose to stay anonymous that is their right. And after seeing the mud they are throwing on Kronk over the last week and ½, I would not my identity and personal information released to the Defense team. And the lack of swift and just action taken by you, the judge, shows me that we as volunteers will not be safe from the unethical practices of a lawyer.

    Please Judge Strickland consider the ripple effects that forcing a non-profit organization to release private communications and volunteer identities will cause.
    By releasing their records is going to effect allot more people than just in this case. You open it up for a future wife beater’s lawyer to demand and receive the names of volunteers that assisted the victim. You open it up for people to solicit money from people who already do and give so much. The instances are many and too long to mention.
    Please Judge Strickland do not release any information regarding TES volunteers.

    Consider this: You call the volunteers yourself or bring in a “Special Master” that will review information, if you feel the “need to compel is there” so be it. After watching Baez release taped information from Kronk’s ex-wife – I was appalled by the fact that Mr. Kronk was vindicated by a grand jury 17 years ago of the said crime of kidnapping and yet Baez was allowed to file this motion regarding the same crime. And without for the Judge’s ruling released taped interviews directly and with purpose to the media.

    Ask TES and their representation to send out a questionnaire to every TES volunteer that searched for Caylee. The questions should first and foremost ask if they want to be contacted by the defense or prosecution. As it is the right of these people that their information be kept confidential until the time that the ruling is made. Just as it was Mr. Kronk’s rights protected until such time a ruling was made. Have the prosecution, TES, and defense agree to the relevancy of each question. And set a return address to the court. Then you or a “Special Master” go over every one of them.

    But who will pay for the representation of the volunteers? Who will protect them from having their personal and private information released to the Media? Who will protect them from harassment and snide remarks made by the defense? And the media? Who will protect their rights to have their past records or lack of records kept private if not the State of Florida. Not everyone will have access to a lawyer who will agree to represent them per bono. They wanted to find a 2 year old missing girl. But the fact remains they did not. I would ask your Honor to consider all before deciding. If you need to know if there was standing water in that area ask the people who live there. A child place in no less than 3 bags, buried in a shallow grave or under the thicket of a tree would not be detected under 18 inches of water. Look at the timeline and water tables. But please protect our privacy and the future rights of all volunteers. Is that not the court systems sole job? To protect our rights? To seek justice?

  338. denjet said, on November 30, 2009 at 11:58 am

    Hi Bill,
    Can the judge order some sort of partial gag order to protect witnesses from being dragged through the mud and blamed for the murder? To try to control some of this “scorched earth” policy?

    To me it’s over the line when it comes to freedom of speech … I always thought this pertained to views and thoughts, not slander and libel and just plain making accusations you know to be false to create doubt … In the long run, all it will accomplish is ruining reputations of many innocent people, saddle these people with attorneys fees and will not affect the outcome of this case which is a guilty verdict.

    I guess my question is can’t something legally be done to stop this attack?

  339. denjet said, on November 30, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    Mr Shaeffer, I would sure be interested if you can do an article on the latest motions filed by the defense about the Death Penalty statutes and their constitutionality … Seems to me they’re grasping. Is this being done (with no hopes of them being granted) to be used on appeal? It’s obvious, the defense doesn’t want a death penalty jury and that this is what the motivation for these is … but how on earth do they expect them to be granted? I mean they’re asking the judge to disallow all of the aggravating circumstances that APPLY in this case!! I don’t get what their angle is.

    I hope you can shed some light on this ….

  340. Scotswoman said, on November 30, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    Linda from Jersey said:”

    I agree that Judge Strickland is not Lance Ito, thank God, but I become concerned with the level of “tom foolery” for the lack of a better word, that he allows the defense to get away with. I keep waiting for him to say enough already, move forward with your case, and that does not happen. I understand that he is most likely doing all in his power to assure that there will be no mistrial, but a simple gag order on the defense and the grandparents of the victim would have gone a long way in preventing that, in my opinion.”

    Like you Linda I think Strickland is a competent Judge whom I have the utmost respect for. But he’s fallible and this has been an extremely difficult case to preside over.

    I think he’s been struggling with his love of the 1st amendment and the insatiable media interest in this case.

    In his defence, I’m not sure that any presiding Judge can order the participating lawyers to always behave morally and ethically. What he has to consider is if their actions impact on the trial process .

    But I so agree, he has to act now otherwise this trial and the defence will become even more out of control. A gag order is well overdue. They have crossed the line by implicating Kronk on national television and before the ink on the hasitly written motion had even dried.Hopefully this recent stunt with Kronk will make Judge Strickland act. He must see the true motives behind Baez and Co’s media blitzes i.e to taint the jury pool.

    Some might argue they are actually itent on sabotaging the trial itself.

    With at least 6-7 months away from jury selection the imposition of a gag order would diffuse things considerably. The media and public interest wont go away but it would be less frienzied and Strickland would be where he should be ……..in charge.

    .

  341. FRG said, on November 30, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    Mr. Sheaffer,
    Did you read the latest Motions filed by the defense??? They are arguing that “Florida’s death penalty procedure is unconstitutional.

    And because the procedure is unconstitutional, the death penalty should be precluded as a potential sentence”.

    What is your take on these Motions???
    Thanks Sir.

  342. linda from jersey said, on November 30, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    Scotswoman, thanks for the reply, sometimes I feel like I just want to shake the Judge, and slap the defense attorneys!! Thank goodness I don’t live in Orlando.

    What is your take on the two searchers who have suddenly come forward to say they searched where Caylees body was found, and were not listed by TES. It is being said by “Joyangel” that they did NOT search with TES. Next, the two guys who pushed Caseys car into Amscot will be rearing their ugly heads. I think these people are being created by the defense to delay delay delay. As high profile as this case is, you would have to be living under a rock to not have come forward long ago. if what information you have to say is as pertinent as these two searchers seem to think theirs is, why the wait. ? To me this defense team is everything despicable and underhanded. I am really diisillusioned to find out how they can lie, cheat, and ruin peoples lives to try to keep a killer free to walk the streets. I won’t even go into the sordid grandparents.

  343. Fidget said, on November 30, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    Linda,

    I hope Bill corrects me if I’m wrong, but the Judge only allowed information from TES searchers who searched in that specific area and where assigned by TES to do so. Neither of the two searchers were under the direct report or assigned to search that area from TES. They both did it on their own. Basically, TES did nothing wrong and Strickland limited the information flowing to Baez et al by being very specific about the information TES wouild dispense.

    As far as the two searchers, neither are professional searchers and I don’t care what type of “personality” you have (ie: very detailed oriented etc). Caylee’s body had been there far too long and was already immersed under water. Even if they tripped over her, they wouldn’t have known otherwise. Honestly, they should have listened to TES when they stated to not go in the area because it was dangerous and because, should a body be there, and they walked or rode their ATV’s over it, it woud bury the body deeper.

    They would have smelled nothing as the air was probably bad enough with the swamp conditions as they were. It was also hot and very humid during that time as well.

    So I don’t take the unauthorized searchers words for anything. It’s just two people who walked right by Caylee as far as I’m concerned who truly should have listened to the professionals of TES.

  344. Scotswoman said, on November 30, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    Linda, I think we all share your frustration, mainly because we want to see the good guys win and justice for this innocent little girl.

    I see the latest claim from the defence about the TES searchers as just another desperate attempt to create reasonable doubt. And I see it failing miserably .Im no lawyer but imo what they state in the motion is factually incorrect and somewhat exaggerated. But whats new?

    Lets look at their motion. They claim (I’m paraphrasing) that they conducted their own independant investigation and have interviewed SEVERAL searchers who searched the spot where Caylee’s remains were ultimately found and that TES failed to disclose these searchers. Well on the face of it that sounds pretty serious until you actually look at what they include with the motion to support this claim.

    They include two signed statements,by Laura Buchanan and Joe Jordan. Just two…..not SEVERAL.

    Joe Jordan seems to feel he needs his lawyer with him and he states (again Im paraphrasing) that he with 5 or 6 others including a dog searched the area at Hiddenoaks Elementary school. He further states that he completed paperwork in relation to his search and items found during that search and that he submitted the paperwork to TES. That’s basically it. Nowhere in this statement does Mr Jordan say he searched in the EXACT location where Caylee was found nor does he ofer an opinion as to whether Caylee’s remains were there or not. You can draw your own conclusion as to why Mr Jordan’s doesnt care to elaborate further and why he felt the need to have his lawyer present.
    .
    Now lets look at Laura Buchanan’s statement. She claims that on 3rd September she searched the area near the privacy fence and beyond the spot where the body was found and that in HER OPINION the body wasnt there. Ms Buchanan admits her group was NOT authorised to search the area near Suburban. She admits they went there off their own bat.

    Well could that be the reason no paperwork was submitted by her to TES and why she was not deemed relevant to the court’s ruling.

    So we have Joe Jordan who searched the general area and submitted paperwork. He makes NO claims about whether Caylee’s body was there or not and we have
    Ms Buchanan who admits she was not asked to search this area and makes no mention of having completed paperwork. Interestingly neither of them mentions the terrain or whether the area was waterlogged.

    Pretty pathetic imo if his is the best they can come up with when essentially accusing TES of keeping inormation from them.

    BTW Mark Nejame is reported as describing Ms Buchanan who hails from New York as an Anthony groupie.

    http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/08/

    The above link is Mr Joe Jordan talking on the Dana Pretzer radio show in August 2008. Unlike Ms Buchanan there is no way he could be described as an Anthony groupie.

  345. Scotswoman said, on November 30, 2009 at 8:49 pm

    Figet

    Great points

    If I remember rightly Judge Strickland ordered the records of the 32 searchers identified by TES to be disclosed to the defence but he also granted Baez the opportunity to examine all of the TES records as long as this was done in NeJame’s office and they did not copy or remove any records. If they found any additional searchers who were within 600 feet of the spot Caylee was found they could then go to the Judge who would review them in camera.

    This makes their motion even more pathetic and disingenuous as they are essentially accusing TES of keeping information from them on the basis of two very different and ambiguous statements..

    Note….. Joy Wray is conspicuous by her absence from this amended motion. lol

  346. judypc said, on November 30, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    Fidget.

    You are correct in you’re post “They would have smelled nothing”
    The time frame alone tells a reasonable thinking person that these supposed searchers can not state that because they smelled nothing – nothing was there, that statement in its self shows us these people are a bit off the hook in their logic, my guess is they want to have their 15 minutes of fame.

    If we look at when Caylee was placed in those woods we are taken to mid to late June, if we look at the forensic reports several days in the hot confines of the trunk had advanced the rate of decomposition to the point that the remains when dumped were already to the liquefied state.

    Now, without going into graphic detail we now have those remains exposed to the elements of Florida’s environmental factor, such as weather, animals,.
    So we have the later part of June all of July and the first weeks of Aug, Then as we all know Faye came to visit Aug 19th I believe was her arrival date, and like an unwelcome guest she over stayed her visit to the extent of 9 days give or take a day or 2.

    So in mid Aug we have widespread flooding which included that area.

    So Now we arrive at Sept and we have the searchers in the “general area” and they expect to “SMELL” the decomp.

    Excuse me for being a bit snarky but what night recently do they think we were born?
    Okay maybe I was born at night….. BUT not last night…..

  347. judypc said, on November 30, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    I believe Jose’ and team are going to follow Furman v. Georgia stateing that the
    Death penalty is “abitrary and capricious” and therefore unconstitutional under the Eighth and Fourteenth Amendments.

    And attack second with Enmund v. Florida, that Struck down the death sentence of a defendant who had not intended to murder the victim.
    Thus asking the State to prove Casey intended to/planned to/ murder Caylee.

    BUT, the State will counter with Proffitt v Florida which is validated by the Supreme Court and afforded sentencing courts the discretion to impose death sentences for specified crimes and provided for two-stage, or “bifurcated,” trials, involving in the first stage the determination of a defendant’s guilt or innocence and, in the second, determination of the sentence after consideration of aggravating and mitigating circumstances.

    Maybe Mr. Sheaffer can offer his thoughts on how this motion by Jose’ will go.

  348. denjet said, on December 2, 2009 at 10:55 am

    Hello Mr Shaeffer,

    I hope you can shed some light on the pile of motions filed by the defense arguing the constitutionality of the Florida Death Penalty statutes … it seems to me to be issues that should be filed with the Florida Supreme court and not Orange County court … I guess my question is does Judge Strickland even have the authority to rule on these ?? Or is the defense filing these to refer to on appeal? Again wouldn’t these have to be filed with the Supreme court and the appeal be to a Supreme court ??

    I sure hope you can explain these motions and their purpose … Thanks!

  349. A Bushy Haired Stranger Did It! said, on December 2, 2009 at 11:25 am

    JudyPC

    I agree regarding the searchers (at any distance from ground zero where bag was ultimately discovered) not being able to “smell” the decomp given the remains were dumped in swampy terrain which has it’s own unique scents. Human decomposition has a VERY unique smell, and untrained “volunteers” on these search teams, unless previously exposed to that scent couldn’t tell the difference between normal swamp rot or swamp gas, rotting garbage, dead animals, and that of a human body decomposing. It’s overwhelming (as Lee Anthony testified several times to LE and in Gonzales depo; and George in his initial statements to LE and FBI) and something you’ll never ever forget.

    The duhfense dream team appears to be putting all it’s duhfense eggs on this issue into the basket of one self-appointed “team-lead” Joy Wray. READ the LE interview of Joy Wray, and the last page of the LE processing documents for the LE interview. Another true nutcase popping out of the woodwork having been “Baker Acted” 5 times as she stated to LE as recently as March 08. She claims to LE under oath she searched that area more than 10 times, but when pressed could only directly recall going out there twice, once before Faye hit, and once after. Before Faye, she went out alone on a hunch and recalls some water out in the area when she stepped off into the rough covered w/ ferns and other vegetation, with one foot and stated it was “mucky” and she feared being bit by a snake (relaying she’d been bitten years ago by a coral snake and didn’t want to take any chances).

    Her second recollection (of 10 supposed searches of the area) again searching alone, the water was much higher she claimed, and again she didn’t enter the rough at all on that “search”. Joy Wray is a mentally disturbed individual that injected herself into this case and now the duhfense claims is the bombshell witness for their client to prove someone else dumped the goods there. I sure hope Bozo puts her on witness list come Feb when they gotta prove up Mancow’s blatant claim someone else dumped remains there….can’t wait to see the prosecutor take this woman apart in a depo!

  350. A Bushy Haired Stranger Did It! said, on December 2, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    Could anyone shed some light what is going on with Dominick Casey and his refusal to appear for depo under the auspices of some “privelage” in the civil case? Looking at the record he states several times his “relationship” with the Baez firm ended o/a 27 Jul 08 when he entered into a verbal agreement w/ G&C Anthony which allegedly wasn’t memorialized in writing until o/a 1 Oct 08. He allegedly signs another agreement o/a 12 Sep 08 with Casey to perform services associated w/ finding Caylee, albeit agreement is supposedly silent as to what specific services he provides or performed. After 1 Oct 08 when he severed ties officially with Baez law firm, there’s no more privelage there for any “work” he did after that date (i.e. Nov search of the area)

    He testified to LE he hasn’t spoken with Casey since 14 Oct 08 when she was thrown back into lock-up. There’s no record of him communicating directly w/ Casey since then so how can he claim to be performing any “service” for either Bozo or KC? Bozo blocked him from speaking to KC so where is there a “privelage” after 1 Oct with regard to DC’s services if Bozo isn’t using him nor is KC communicating with him.

    Additionally DC filed a bar complaint against Baez for non-payment of fees during the 2 weeks or so in July 08 he worked for Baez, so where is he claiming a privelage in that he still works for Baez presently. Where are DC’s business records, invoices, billable hours, etc. to any of these clients? Those should reveal plenty in establishing he was or wasn’t “performing services”. State of FL should probably initiate a tax audit for D&A Investigations and DC specifically to establish he actually was “working” and “providing services” and paid for those services. Otherwise DC is no different than a volunteer searcher or Jim Hoover…an interested by-stander, and the issue of “privilage” becomes moot.

  351. judypc said, on December 2, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Bushy.

    Dominick is trying to play bird in the hand two in the bush.

    His supposed work for the Anthony’s is not protected by privilege, so he would have to produce evidence of who directed him to search those woods, and why he was directed to do so.

    And I promise you that is info they do not want to disclose.

    Lets just play devils advocate for a moment shall we?

    Lets assume a couple of scenarios just for grins and giggles.

    (1) Lee in his conversation with sis figured out the “She’s close to home” and the Gonzales connection, when Sis told in no uncertain terms where Caylee was.
    Behind the Gonzales house just off Suburban, Very close to home we can all agree.
    This info was a direct statement from the defendant herself, and could be used as an admission of guilt.

    (2) Lets assume this info came from Jose’ which would be considered privilege if he were under the employ of Team Jose’ but after Dominick tendered his work agreement used said info while under the employ of the Anthony family a third party, this now places said info under a dark shadow, 1 it was obtained while he was contracted by defense BUT if he then shared info with a 3rd party then privilege does not apply.

    Thereby once again showing the defendant made an admission of guilt by divulging evidence of where the body was located, evidence that only the party that placed it there would be privy to.

  352. linda from new jersey said, on December 2, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    judypc.. I have heard that many times about Lee figuring out where the body of little Caylee was. He just seems so non intelligent to me, that I can’t figure out what made it click for him. Do you know where that clip of the jailhouse meeting w Lee & Casey can be found. I would like to watch/listen to it again.

  353. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on December 2, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    Linda from New Jersey

    Per your request:

    Part 2 of 2 You can listen to Part one after clicking on link, look to the left in the block.

  354. linda from new jersey said, on December 2, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    Anti R & weeds

    Thanks so much for the link.

  355. SIGNORINABELLA said, on December 3, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    Hello Mr. Schaeffer,
    I would like to know what you think about the latest motions that the defense has filed and if you have a prediction as to the outcome of these motions.

    Thank You

  356. Kl said, on December 4, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    judypc,

    RE: your November 30, 2009 at 9:56 pm post to Fidget about the ‘supposed searchers’ at the crime scene woods and their statements of ‘proof’ because they smelled nothing.

    To add to your arguments, here is a good analysis of those two ‘sworn statement’ searchers and their statements in the recent motions to prove no body was there in the woods.

    http://www.thehinkymeter.com

    Supports what you say, plus, past articles have topographical maps to show water levels when Kronk called 911, and in September, when these ‘searchers’ claim to have been in the woods.

  357. Kl said, on December 4, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    Didn’t the court already rule on the motion re: Dominic Casey’s deposition? The date was pushed from November to December and I recall something in a press release that implied the court had decideded that Dominic Casey must show for his deposition, and that by the new mid-December date, Mr. Casey should have ample time to prepare. Or it is ‘on’ once again?

  358. JP said, on December 4, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    Shortly after Caylee’s remains were found, didn’t the owner of that property state that the area had been under water until just a couple of weeks prior? Who would know better as to the condition of that property?!

  359. Kl said, on December 4, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    JP, maybe the property owner would know, or why would he pay that much attention, unless planning to develop it or go for a walk thru.

  360. knight owl said, on December 9, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    I have listened a lot to the jailhouse tape and it sounds more to me like Casey was saying Caylee was close to Hope, not home, and we know casey’s address is Hope Springs drive. She was definitely giving her family a clue to her where abouts in my opinion.

  361. skyangel1 said, on December 10, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Would you create a blog to talk about the evidence ? Or is that not a good idea ? We certainly don’t want to be blamed for tainting a jury pool. Although, the jury will be presented with what both sides have in court, and that don’t mean it will be all the same as to what we discuss or see.

  362. Pat said, on January 25, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Well finally Justice for Amy, to bad the tears were not real. Again tears for Casey no one else. She had to admit her Guilt. And Casey has to pay all the cost to court, yahooo. Now all we need is Justice for Caylee.
    And one quick comment to Cindy when you were told about Casey stealling you comment was, Oh it was only one time. Excuse me one time to many. Now we can say Convicted on 6 felony counts. To bad it had to wait a year, for the truth to come out. Of course we all knew it was not the Nanny Mrs. Kronkfire in the Video’s. Now we will half to go threw the Defence trying to slander Mr. Kronk, I am really sick of the blame game they play. Justice for Caylee please with in my lifetime.


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