Legal Analyst Bill Sheaffer on Casey Anthony Case

INTERROGATORIES, QUERIES & BURNING QUESTIONS

Posted in Latest Posts by William J. Sheaffer on March 3, 2010

Well, I’m back.  And  you all certainly have a lot of questions, so let’s get started.

JAN wondered whether Jill Kerley, Roy Kronk’s ex-wife, could be cross-examined on the witness stand regarding her prior criminal record, as well as the drug allegations made against her at the time she was employed as a nurse.

ANSWER: In Florida,  any witness that testifies at trial is subject to cross-examination regarding prior felony convictions and misdemeanor convictions that involve crimes of dishonesty.  However, evidence of investigations of allegations NOT resulting in a criminal conviction can not be brought to the jury’s attention.

JAN later asked whether a body language expert (such as Lillian Glass) could testify at trial.

ANSWER: In short, no.  Body language experts can be used by either the defense or the prosecution to aid them in the preparation of their respective cases, but cannot be called to testify as to their opinions at trial.

MUESLI inquired whether witnesses (for example, the Anthony family members) could sit inside the courtroom prior to their testimony to listen to the testimony of others, or would they be required to wait outside until they are called to testify.

ANSWER:  Witnesses who will testify must wait outside the courtroom once the Rule of Sequestration is invoked.  What is that? Among other things, all defense and state witnesses are excluded from the courtroom before and, generally, after their testimony is given (sometimes witnesses are recalled to the witness stand).  Routinely, either the state or the defense will ask the presiding  judge to invoke the Rule.  The judge does not, of his own accord, do this.  There have been the occasional oops, where neither side remembered to ask that the Rule be invoked. However, this lapse  is typically noticed when one side or the other turns around to see witnesses sitting in the courtroom observing proceedings.

AMAZED wants to know whether Casey Anthony can further stall the commencement of her trial by stating she feels her current counsel is ineffective, even though she has repeatedly said she is satisfied with her defense team.

ANSWER:  Although I don’t believe this is likely to happen, Casey has the right to fire her present lawyers at any stage of the proceedings.  And, if she were to so do, depending upon the timing, this could result in a further delay of the start of her trial.

Many of you have expressed your exasperation with defense delays, stalling tactics and excuses to earn further continuances of the trial date.  You wonder why the judge doesn’t “crack the whip,” “say enough is enough already” and “stop wasting the Court’s time.”    This is for JEANSEE, BJ, TISHEL, CASEYISGUILTY, JUSTIN, VICKI and LITTLEBEAR among others.

ANSWER: Firstly, both the current discovery and trial schedules were agreed upon by the state and the defense and then approved by the judge. Secondly, as long as the death penalty is on the table, the judge will,  more than likely, continue to be flexible as to schedules and dates with both sides. However, even Judge Strickland’s  patience has its limits and, should he determine that either side is not proceeding with due diligence and in good faith, we can expect to see him “crack the whip.” Remember, this is a complex, circumstantial evidence case requiring many, many witnesses to establish the circumstantial chain of guilt.  Included among those witnesses are forensics experts seeking to gain admission of  “novel scientific evidence,” requiring a great deal of preparation by both the state and the defense.  In this instance, justice delayed will not equate to justice denied.  Casey is facing the ultimate penalty.

MAGDALENA asked what exactly is a mistrial?  Does it mean the accused walks free, never to be tried again?

ANSWER:  A mistrial can occur when something happens or is said during the trial that is so prejudicial (generally to the defense) that, immediately after the occurrence of that event, and, upon motion for mistrial, the judge finds that there is no remedy, short of dismissing the jury and declaring a mistrial. Secondly, and possibly the most common reason for the judge declaring a mistrial, is the failure of a jury to reach a unanimous verdict. In either event, the defendant is, in fact, retried for the offense before a new jury at a later time. That is unless the case is resolved by a plea or the state decides to dismiss the charges, the latter being a rarity.

That’s all for now.  For those of you whose questions I did not yet answer, be patient.  I will be back to answer more when my schedule permits.

WJS

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  1. frankie said, on March 3, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Thank you Mr. Sheaffer! Maybe next time you can address the question of payments to her current attorneys if she is declared indigent or if she would be forced to use a Public Defender if she cannot pay her current team. Thank you in advance!

  2. Myrtle Beach said, on March 3, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Thank you. Will you kindly address plea bargaining in a case of this magnitude. Many folks seem to think that it would be a 1,2,3, deal for Casey to just enter a plea at this stage of the game. It is my understanding that, at present, it is in the State’s discretion to even consider entering into negotiations and further, Casey’s proffer, if ever, would have to be 100% truthful or no deal. Since she is proven a pathological liar, how could the State consider a deal with the devil, so to speak??? Thanks again.

  3. herebunnybunny said, on March 3, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Thank you, Mr. Sheaffer! In the event the defendant pleads guilty later on down the road, what are the financial ramifications to the State / County and who pays for it?

  4. Muesli said, on March 3, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    So very nice of you to answer my question, Mr. Shaeffer. You have a way of communicating the law to us in a vernacular which we laypeople can understand. I truly appreciate that, and thank you.

  5. laurali1 said, on March 3, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    Bill~ Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to answer questions.

  6. KameronJ said, on March 3, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Coolness. Great answers!!

  7. Magdalena said, on March 3, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    Thanks so much for your answers!

  8. WooBabie said, on March 3, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Just my 2 cents worth… summarizing various bits of information I’ve gathered…

    Casey can’t bring forward a plea, as in many have stated they think she will. Only the Prosecution can offer, or bring forward, a deal… and at this stage… it’s highly likely they won’t. They’ve built up their case against her so well, that there is no need for them to offer her any deals. There is no point in offering a deal when a conviction is pretty much a sure-thing (or very close to it).

    Anyone else come to the same understanding or have you learned something otherwise?

  9. WooBabie said, on March 3, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    And – thank you, Bill. I’ve been anticipating your next post!

  10. Marica said, on March 3, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Thanks you for your time and effort in responding to so mmy questions. Starting to look like an online law education blog. Your students are most appreciative of all you bring to us here.

  11. Angelinfl said, on March 3, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    If Casey applies for indigent status… will the current Defense team have to account for her finances over last couple of years and if there was a movie deal. The defense may have paid himself first…. and there is no monies left for depos. I heard you state in an interview that you would have put 50K in reserve for depositions. Also I am sure there are more important depos if your client were innocent than those of Roy Kronk’s long ago wife of 4 months.

    If she is indigent can she still have people deposit snack monies. Shouln’t that pay back the taxpayers of florida for their defense costs.

    I also thought of something else. Remember Jose didn’t want to pay 900 bucks for a full list of sightings reported of a live Caylee. Were they already economizing .. more money for Jose because he knew there could be no live sightings because Caylee was deceased.

  12. Jan said, on March 3, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Mr Bill -I am happy to see you are back.I know your a busy man.I do want to thank you for anwsering my questions. I respect you,an value your expert anwsers. Looking forward to learning more from you.
    Yours Truly
    Jan

  13. Ina said, on March 4, 2010 at 3:06 am

    Mr Sheaffer thanks for your efforts.

    In the Declaration of rights ( Florida law) I found this: Victims of crime or their lawful representatives, including the next of kin of homicide victims, are entitled to the right to be informed, to be present, and to be heard when relevant, at all crucial stages of criminal proceedings, to the extent that these rights do not interfere with the constitutional rights of the accused.

    Does this mean Caylee’s grandparents (who are next of kin) and uncle are intitled to all this information and be present at all crucial stages? And how suspect are they themselves to the court or not at all? Is the reason there role is not clear yet, the reason they can’t attend or do they still have the right?
    (I hope it is ok to ask on this thread.)

  14. lcoastmom said, on March 4, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Mr Sheaffer

    Thank You for being such a calm, voice of reason amongst the insanity, that Jose has brought to the circus. Guilty as accused or innocent as a new born babe – I could not allow an attorney who behaves like the JB’s of this world “REPRESENT ME!” Has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with the perception of others. There is so much to be said for quiet dignity.

    I get it, I do – KC is sort of un-defendable – unless “Zanny the Nanny” is found as she slips back and forth, between that parallel universe KC likes to visit, if she returns with the real Caylee and exposes the FBI, OCSD, the body farm and everyone who dared speak against her. Oh, and returns Casey’s car with squirrel residue and a broken gas gage.

    But why Roy Kronk? Is it because he had the misfortune (for him) of finding Caylee; right down the street? He had the misfortune of having vindictive ex-wives and a “past”? I feel for the man, he didn’t have a stellar past, but he appeared to have been doing OK since moving to Orlando – I wonder now – if he were to find Jimmy Hoffa tomorrow, will he place that call? What if Tim Miller or one of his TES volunteers made that call – would the fallout have been the same?

    Take Care and be well! Cath

  15. Lizabutt said, on March 4, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    VERY GOOD QUESTION……
    IF some volunteer from TES had found the body, would they be put through the same hell they are putting Roy Kronk through? I think they would! I think the Duhfence is so desperate they are going to accuse anyone and everyone to see if it sticks…. That includes her own parents and brother!

  16. Lizabutt said, on March 4, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    I want to add Mr. Sheffield that the terminology Duhfence in NO WAY applies to you! There is only one person that fits that name… Just wanted to make sure you know it is not directed at all defense attorneys. I LOVE you, and respect you, the other one.. well I better not type that on here… lol

  17. SY said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:50 am

    I have a question about the defense’s claim that the indictment is defective. Didn’t they file twice this claim? What merits a defective indictment?

  18. stephanie said, on March 5, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    Hello Everyone…I have been real busy and unable to read. Can anyone tell me if Bill is answering questions or answered this question already…If the defense claims Casey indigent and wants the state to pay, how will they work that out?

    When sitting and thinking about many other high profile cases with defendants that did not have the funds for the attorneys they had…They worked pro-bono. Like the Codey Posey case, the Preacher’s Wife and so on. So I am wondering how this works with the defense team and the experts they have hired. They knew she had no money when they all took on the case. So my question is…Will the state pay their high prices or is their a cap they might have to accept…exactly how does that work.

    Thank you Bill or anyone that might have the answer.

  19. RS said, on March 5, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Wow, IMO what an outrage to have a PR gal put the indigent horse out there before

    any motion/notice to the court….

    This is IMO insulting to the Court/Strickland, the people of the State of Florida and SAO to put this PR horse before notice to the court…

    http://www.wftv.com/news/22757843/detail.html
    Defense Wants Help Paying For Casey’s Defense

    ….the defense team’s media spokesperson wrote in a release issued early Friday evening.

  20. mchl454 said, on March 5, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    It is typical of this defense teams tactics. Either they spill it early, or file it incorrectly. I am curious about just how much us taxpayers will have to come up with for this case. Why can’t she just do what I would have to do, which would be a public defender? Does this mean that we pay for her experts?

  21. heroesfan said, on March 5, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    It just seems so wrong for Casey to be able to claim indigent status, it reeks. After all the monies paid to the Anthonys & Baez for photos, etc. We know about the cruises, tattoos, fancy gold & diamond jewelry, facial cosmetic procedures the Anthonys could not previously afford.

    Dinners at the Ritz Carlton Marriot, Jose’s ‘business trips’ to New York for Casey. There is something definately so, so wrong with out justice system if Casey is afforded anything more than a public defender like anyone else, if she is indeed indigent & Baez can no longer afford to defend her, nor can she can’t afford the ‘dream team’ now employed. What gives & how will they get away with this miscarriage of justice?

    I’m glad they are going broke…obviously mishandled money paid by media & are now whining, I say too bad. The state of FL & their taxpayers should not bail the baby killer out enough has been spent & squandered.

    Baez should fire the big wigs like AL & LKB and defernd to the best of his ability within means & the monies they have… or turn her over to a public defender. WTH is wrong with this picture…it just sickens me that Casey is treated as someone special?

    An above average child killer, how does it get to this point, ridiculous delays, the frivilous motions, over 3 years to try one baby killing ska**?…

    Seriously…why is she treated with extra care by everyone including Judge Strickland who needs to start using his authority to get control of this out of control situation to try & convict the beeoch sometime this century!

  22. Sue said, on March 5, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    The Bigger question…
    How can Jose justify 85 grand paid to himself
    He hasnt done squat but file bogus motions for the last year and a half

  23. Shilo said, on March 5, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    @heros and others, I think one reason KC has been given every chance has been to ensure she has no way to claim any reason for a mistrial, lack of represenation, etc. I am furious at some of the tactics by the Bozo, et. al circus. But I would rather see her get a clean conviction than off on a technically. I wish I knew what this latest news if first true, and if so…how does that work. Would she have to get a whole new group of lawyers? I am just as furious at all the slams at bloggers who have nothing but keep the story alive, and not let her get away with anything. Interesting note, OT, just watching as our little Aruban guy just admitted AGAIN to killing. How many times would someone in American have to admit to murder before they were arrested?? I am glad that my puter is being picked up tomorrow so I don’t have to be harassed by “somewhan” again. ~~~Hugs~~~

  24. Shilo said, on March 5, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Sorry for typos.

  25. mchl454 said, on March 5, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Very Very good question Sue

  26. stephanie said, on March 5, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Hi RS…This is why I was asking Bill exactly how it works with the defense now claiming Casey is indigent. She paid over 100,000.00 to the defense…So what happened to the rest of that 200,000.00, all of those 5,000.00 licensing fees and the 20,000.00 from Dateline??

  27. ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    What’s buried w/i that 90,000 to Baez?

    Payment for Gil Cabot/Todd Black, et al.?
    Payment to DC for ‘work product?

    I want to see where every cent of the $111,954 came from and what it went towards.

  28. Shilo said, on March 5, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    @Sue…very good question too. I wonder if that sum included his internet service provider. Smack me now. I am feeling to catty to continue posting.

  29. ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    I think that, if it can be proven that JB delayed this case simply to amass his fee (when any public defender could and would have done better and probably taken the 8 years Hornsby says he heard she was offered under the limited immunity deal), that’s also a reason to put controls and restrictions on how money is raised for a defense. Pimping out the murder victim just ain’t cutting it and neither is keeping a client from doing the smart thing just so you can make payroll.

  30. heroesfan said, on March 5, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    Remember it’s the same Jose Angel Baez that the bar turned down for 8 years because he was a dead beat dad & had a history of outrageous spending on himself, renting fancy sports cars & lavish homes while under a pile of debt.

  31. frankie said, on March 5, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    ThoughtElf: I think if it were to be proven that he deliberately mishandled casey’s case simply to line his own pockets, he would have a problem. I wonder, however, if this type of complaint would have to be leveled by casey herself. I don’t think that the State could deny her financial assistance even if bozo squandered her money. Just my thought, I could be wrong.

    I think if the State is expected to pay anything towards her defense, she should have to accept the services of State Defenders. I don’t think it is fair that bozo takes the lion’s share of the granddollars for his “fees” (for incompetency at that) then begs for State aid to pay for overpriced, grandiose “experts”. I am throwing the BS flag on that!!!!

  32. frankie said, on March 5, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    heroesfan: Ha! Looks like the Fl bar should have held off a while longer! He evidently STILL can’t behave like a human being.

    I love that WFTV has the picture of the smirking couple, bozo and the freak, on the story about her wanting OUR money now to pay for her defense. They are showing just how that sorry POS and her crew are laughing at the public and our legal system.

  33. heroesfan said, on March 5, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    frankie said, on March 5, 2010 at 10:42 pm heroesfan: Ha! Looks like the Fl bar should have held off a while longer! He evidently STILL can’t behave like a human being.

    I love that WFTV has the picture of the smirking couple, bozo and the freak, on the story about her wanting OUR money now to pay for her defense.

    *******************

    Eeew! I’ll have to check that photo out. It’s been awhile since I saw them smirk together. Not so feely touchy, lovey dovey lately…hmmm…the thrill is gone! Now Andrea Lyon’s big paws are all over Casey in a ‘MOTHERLY WAY’ it’s still creepy & must stop!

  34. heroesfan said, on March 5, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    Wednesday, March 03, 2010

    Casey Anthony Trial Is A Taxpayer Ripoff!

    Hutch Report Wednesday, March 03, 2010

    Personal comments about the news of the day.

    “Casey Anthony trial is a taxpayer ripoff.” A few days ago, it was reported that prosecutors in the Casey Anthony murder trial said that it would likely be 2011 before her murder trial begins. Are you kidding me, this woman has been living in jail now for over a year and before that she was partying her butt off at the same time her two year old daughter had not been seen in almost one month. What in the heck is wrong with the criminal justice system in the State of Florida?

    full article:

    http://mhutch.blogspot.com/2010/03/casey-anthony-trial-is-taxpayer-ripoff.html#more

  35. ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    Frankie,

    To the best of my knowledge, they can’t deny KC indigent status. However, JB will have to submit an itemized list of where all funds came from, and a list of every expenditure that went out. You want to bet the forensic accountants are going to be eye-balling that closely before this gets granted.

    I have to agree with you that she should be forced to accept State defenders. I also wonder if she WILL BE having a State PD. Let’s walk this through:

    * Articles include quotes from the press release that state, “Casey was willing to pay for the defense until the DP was back on the table.”
    * It has been back on the table for… (have to look it up again, but…) 9-11 months?
    * Meaning JB has known this for almost a year and is only declaring KC indigent now? *Meanwhile, he has not produced a witness list, done 99% of his depos, or given bang for the buck with his poor motion-writing skills
    * And waited until the A’s house has gone into foreclosure

    Are they doing this now, knowing full well JB may be pulled of the case dependent upon what is discovered in the new investigation the State can delay?

    I believe we may well see a Florida Public Defender assigned, but they may keep AL on as she is working pro bono for fees according to the statement. IMO, that isn’t a really big deal – she is only around for mitigation purposes, and to swap out the full defense team might cause further delays. I don’t have an issue with them retaining some knowledge history, but I do fully expect & hope that JB may be removed. Sooner rather than later.

    I would prefer KC to have better counsel to prevent openings for appeal issues. I don’t like it at all the the Florida Legal budget will take a big ding for this – especially as the monies could be better used to assist victims, provide Legal Aid for truly indigent folks fighting for child support, custody, etc. But, I also think it might be necessary to put an end to this charade and let the people, their various LE investigators, the SAO office to work their magic fighting for justice – then move on to more deserving cases that need their attention.

  36. heroesfan said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    Trials & Tribulations
    Sprocket & Company In Depth, True Crime Reporting

    Friday, March 5, 2010

    “Poor Casey Anthony”

    Well, it’s finally happened. The defense is now claiming that Casey Anthony can’t afford her defense expenses.

    ‘WKMG’ is reporting about this long-awaited catastrophe.

    Bold is mine:

    Defense attorneys for Casey Anthony have filed a motion requesting that the court declare her indigent and have the taxpayers shoulder some of the cost of her defense.
    Anthony has already paid Baez and death penalty expert Andrea Lyon $111,954, but Baez said that is not enough to give Anthony the defense she needs, and taxpayers should make up the difference.

    Nearly $90,000 of the amount was used for Baez’s fees, the remainder covered Lyon’s costs. She is working on the case for free.

    full article:

    http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2010/03/poor-casey-anthony.html

  37. ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    I think this is what the defense is filing for:

    (5) INDIGENT FOR COSTS. –A person who is eligible to be represented by a public defender under s. 27.51 but who is represented by private counsel not appointed by the court for a reasonable fee as approved by the court, on a pro bono basis, or who is proceeding pro se, may move the court for a determination that he or she is indigent for costs and eligible for the provision of due process services, as prescribed by ss. 29.006 and 29.007, funded by the state.

    http://www.pascoclerk.com/…/public…ent-status.pdf

    definitions.uslegal.com › Legal Definitions Home › I – Cached

    a) The person must submit to the court:

    1. The completed application prescribed in subsection (1).

    2. In the case of a person represented by counsel, an affidavit attesting to the estimated amount of attorney’s fees and the source of payment for these fees.

    (b) In reviewing the motion, the court shall consider:

    1. Whether the applicant applied for a determination of indigent status under subsection (1) and the outcome of such application.

    2. The extent to which the person’s income equals or exceeds the income criteria prescribed in subsection (2).

    3. The additional factors prescribed in subsection (4).

    4. Whether the applicant is proceeding pro se.

    5. When the applicant retained private counsel.

    6. The amount of any attorney’s fees and who is paying the fees.

    (c) Based upon its review, the court shall make one of the following determinations:

    1. The applicant is not indigent for costs.

    2. The applicant is indigent for costs.

  38. heroesfan said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    Baez should have had Casey declared indigent from day one of the case. Casey even filled out the form before hiring Baez!

  39. heroesfan said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    Baez blames the reinstatement of the death penalty for the problem. However, the death penalty was reinstated April 13, 2009.

    What about Baez blaming himself and client for being irresponsible and wasting the courts time & resources on frivilous motions & delays while not moving forward with depositions? Jose dead beat Baez should be removed & a public defender replace him. Just like any other ‘indigent defendant’ would have to settle for.

  40. ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Here is the 2009 Florida Fee Schedule:

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/…Section%205304

    This is the most Baez would be able to get.

    d) If the chief judge or designee finds that counsel has proved by competent and substantial evidence that the case required extraordinary and unusual efforts, the chief judge or designee shall order the compensation to be paid to the attorney at a percentage above the flat fee rate, depending on the extent of the unusual and extraordinary effort required. The percentage shall be only the rate necessary to ensure that the fees paid are not confiscatory under common law. The percentage may not exceed 200 percent of the established flat fee, absent a specific finding that 200 percent of the flat fee in the case would be confiscatory. If the chief judge or designee determines that 200 percent of the flat fee would be confiscatory, he or she shall order the amount of compensation using an hourly rate not to exceed $75 per hour for a noncapital case and $100 per hour for a capital case. However, the compensation calculated by using the hourly rate shall be only that amount necessary to ensure that the total fees paid are not confiscatory.

    Here is the flat rate info:

    4. For capital cases represented at the trial level: $15,000. For purposes of this subparagraph, a “capital case” is any offense for which the potential sentence is death and the state has not waived seeking the death penalty.

    Oh, I’d love for Bill to weigh in on this!

  41. ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    Bingo, Hereos. You’re dead on as to what should happen.

  42. heroesfan said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    It’s what should happen thought elf, but will it? What’s your prediction? If she’s declared indigent now, I give up & may not read another word about this case until she’s convicted…lol…or try not to…this is making me want to give up on justice not only for Caylee…but anyone!

    As great as the Sunshine Laws are in FL, it also has a downside, the May 2011 trial date is obscene, I can’t rationalize or wrap my head around it.

    My opinions mean nothing to this case but still…I’m totally disgusted even with Judge Strickland lately, doesn’t anyone have the courage to stand up to these MISCREANTS…Casey..her parents..the defense & say enough?

  43. heroesfan said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    This is not my comment, but I’ve been reading similar ones since the news of Casey’s lawyer claiming she’s now indigent:

    *****************************************

    XXXXX says- 2 hours ago–

    I’m so tired of this garbage, swift justice. Take her out back and put her out of her misery. One bullet in the back of the head would be a lot less expensive. CASE CLOSED!

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    ****************************************

    Floridians are getting very angry & I don’t blame them!

  44. ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    My prediction:

    1. BOMBSHELL coming regarding delayed discovery investigation – based on DC’s investigative interview
    2. Might result in JB being disbarred. In the interim, we may see him sidelined with a suspension, depending on how strong the evidence is & how quickly the bar addresses any new complaint
    3. Regardless, I see JB sliding away and a new PD being assigned
    4. Andrea will stay on
    5. Many of the ‘experts’ like Henry Lee will be (are already) going, going, gone

    Added bonus:
    6. The A’s will soon face some very revealing publicity – might result in charges, might not until later, but either way, it is going to take this way over the edge.

  45. heroesfan said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    XXXXX says- 48 minutes ago–

    Exactly! Don’t criminals that can’t afford an attorney get public defenders? What judge in their right mind is going to let this girl pay over $100,000 and then she decides she can’t pay anymore, but wants to keep the private lawyer? This is total BS! There can not seriously be anyone out there that really thinks Casey Anthony is innocent! If there are, maybe those people should get together and pay for her defense.

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    I say–

    What judge in their right mind? In J. Strickland’s quest to be ‘fair’ to the point of paranoia he might rule Casey indigent.

  46. ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    $200,000 – $300,000 could be saved if the suspect would just plead guilty and take responsibility.

  47. ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    This is KC’s first court appearance with her FIRST Public Defender, when she was first indigent, before Bozo came along:

  48. heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:00 am

    ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:50 pm My prediction:

    1. BOMBSHELL coming regarding delayed discovery investigation – based on DC’s investigative interview
    2. Might result in JB being disbarred. In the interim, we may see him sidelined with a suspension, depending on how strong the evidence is & how quickly the bar addresses any new complaint
    3. Regardless, I see JB sliding away and a new PD being assigned
    4. Andrea will stay on
    5. Many of the ‘experts’ like Henry Lee will be (are already) going, going, gone

    Added bonus:
    6. The A’s will soon face some very revealing publicity – might result in charges, might not until later, but either way, it is going to take this way over the edge.

    *****************************

    In a perfect world I see these scenarios playing out exactly as you listed. It’s possible, but I’m jaded due to what’s been allowed to go on unchallenged & unpunished.

    Fingers crossed it’s PI Dom Casey’s turning state evidence & rolling on the A’s & not Joy Wrays crazy babbling like some predict! Good night all…I’m whipped!

    But smart predictions, it’s how it should play out if there’s any real justice!

  49. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:05 am

    I just grabbed this from a lawyer friend who posts on another site I read (TY Themis):

    Mr. Robert Wesley is the elected Public Defender for the 9th Judicial Circuit that includes Orange County, Florida. His office receives public funds to operate. His office also hires other attorneys as employees to work on the staff as his deputies or assistants.

    AL and JB are not part of that staff or any conflict system so they may not receive any public funds to perform legal services for Casey.

    “Due process” funds would be for things like funding an expert witness, not for the cost of private counsel.

    ——————————————————-

    If I am reading that correctly, then while the State may have to pay for ‘costs’, none of those funds can go to pay JB & AL themselves. IF JB stays on, he gets NOTHING.

  50. NosyParker said, on March 6, 2010 at 1:33 am

    I’m curious about how it will play out because Geragos represented Scott Peterson on his parent’s dime until they were sucked dry. Subsequently, he claimed indigence and Geragos was authorized to continue his representation. His fees and the cost of experts were subsequently covered by the state of California with caps on the allowed billable amounts. That’s my recollection. I could be wrong and it was California, not Florida.

    I assume Geragos didn’t have the high powered attorneys and experts on retainer as Baez so proudly (and loudly) said he had managed to accomplish. The one presser where he went on and on about how proud he was about this team of the nation’s foremost forensic experts and attorneys that he had gathered together to represent this two bit, baby murdering piece of …… made me sick.

    Now it almost makes me wonder if things are possibly looking so bad for Casey evidence wise, that all of these experts have maybe jumped ship because they can’t, or won’t, testify in her favor. They have their professional reputations at stake here and every detail will be dissected ad nauseum during and after the trial. They, including the previously esteemed and presently shunned Dr. Lee, better be very sure of their testimony.

    Things are getting heated and I’m waiting to see who goes down first. Baez, George, Cindy, Lee or Casey.

  51. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 2:06 am

    Cindy first, followed closely by Baez. DC is kinda-sorta third, but he made a deal, so it doesn’t count when watching the blocks fall.

    It is like watching a game of Jenga. DC was the strategic block to remove & everything else tumbles down.

  52. NosyParker said, on March 6, 2010 at 2:09 am

    I’m on a roll so I should throw in Conway too. He is so transparent. He’s using this case to further his own career agenda. I saw a link where he had applied (? ran) to be a judge and it appeared that he wasn’t well known enough and subsequently lost. Sorry no link off hand but it’s there if you google.

    We listened to him go on and on with BS statements from the Anthonys, and of course for the Anthonys, but it didn’t stop there. I can’t forget the day that he involved himself with supporting the homeless of Orlando and even went so far as sleeping outside over night, along with the other supporters and he said in his statement that yes, I’m here because I support the homeless, etc. AND THE ANTHONYS WANTED ME TO BE HERE. I’ve paraphrased here, but how do George and Cynthia Anthony relate to the homeless in Orlando. I would imagine that George and Cindy, being able bodied and all, would be more suitable candidates to be sleeping outdoors then Mr. Conway. Just another grifter who is riding on Caylee’s coat tails.

  53. NosyParker said, on March 6, 2010 at 2:23 am

    I forgot about Dominic. I personally don’t consider him a player in this deal. I think he’s a sucker who was being used but didn’t know it. However, he’s likely found out that he’s inadvertently very, very involved and may now save himself.

  54. Scotswoman said, on March 6, 2010 at 2:52 am

    So, we can now put to bed the mysterious benefactor with an open chequebook…….and can we also assume that no-one is willing to shell out the big bucks for images of Casey as a child. lol Did Baez mis-read the earning potential?

    Or has this leopard truly not changed his spots?. For 8 years the Florida Bar did not feel Baez was responsible with money.

    So as the begging bowl is now out, surely Casey must account for how the reported $200.000 to $225.000 dollars was spent. Did Casey enter into an agreement that Jose could dip into the ABC fund as he saw fit………or does she have to approve all expenditure? Is she ok with the flights, hotels, and working lunches, enjoyed by her dream team? Is she happy to pay Mort for his adventures. Does Casey think Baez represents good value for money or more to the point …….did he have her or HIS best interests at heart?

    More than 18 months in and NO attempt to depose the scores of witnesses for the State. Still no green light for the list of experts, Baez so smugly read off to the Judge.

    Is Casey having trouble swallowing tonight? Interesting days ahead………Is this Baez’ escape hatch?

  55. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 3:25 am

    Nosey,

    I was once ambivalent about BC, too. I think he’s meant well, yet, he’d also succumbed to the Cindy.

    I have to ask, and I mean this with respect, but how have you forgotten DC?

    DC is the pivotal depo amongst all of the other ‘familial’ testimonies we have heard? No singular entity has been more closely aligned to both the defense, the Anthonys and the staged search near where Caylee was finally found.

    I’m intrigued that you feel DC is but an inadvertent bit player, considering how desperately and mightily he’s battled to prevent being interviewed under oath for 12+ months now.

    I have a strong belief that your hunch won’t bear out and that you will find that DC has been/IS a very involved character in a pivotal way that changes to course of the entire defense strategy.

    Admittedly, he was used, but in saving himself, he is likely to bring many others (righteously and deservedly) crashing down around him.

    DC is not a forgotten oversight. He is the singular ‘nail-in-the-coffin’ first-hand testimony turning point that strikes all sorts of fear in the hearts of JB and the Anthonys.

    I have previously held your posts in admiration, but supposing that DC is just a forgotten, oblivious pawn, …

    DC is anything but a ‘sucker player in this deal…” without “knowing it.”

    You’re an astute, respectable, informed poster that I do not wish to bicker with, but I cannot respectfully agree that DC has been an unwitting sucker. He’s been in this willingly, all the way through and has battled mightily to delay his testimony under oath.

    You are a far more compassionate, fair and optimistic potential juror than I, Nosey, for I can’t forget or condone DC’s willing participation at any point along the ‘Caylee is Alive’ agenda. Nor can I write his participation off as being a Sucker.

    That said, I’m pretty certain that’s he has stepped up and told his truths, resulting in the further investigation allowed with the delayed discovery.

    Doesn’t matter at all who amongst us posters have forgotten DC’s subterfuge. The State never forgot it. And have since recorded it.

  56. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 3:31 am

    Scots,

    I don’t think there really was a CT benefactor anymore – do you? I think the CT benefactor story was a cleverly designed piece of urban warfare camouflage.

    IMO, this is not only JB’s escape hatch; it is his pre-planned, predetermined escape hatch.

    I do believe that you meant KC had trouble “schwallowing” as opposed to we mere mortals who ‘swallow”

  57. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 3:43 am

    Scots,

    How can we reconcile the media, JB, the A’s, DC, TL, MN<AL and.. JB into one sphere of attnetion?

  58. MsBingo said, on March 6, 2010 at 3:57 am

    I’m so “frushtrated” at the recent events. LOL. KC hopefully having some sleepless nights with the latest. I agree that there will probably be a change of players. I expect Baez will be gone before too long unless his source of $$$ is made public. Only makes sense. Remeber what we tell our kids…”be careful what you ask for”

  59. heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 4:15 am

    Timeline and Discovery Updated 2/24/10
    The Search: Dominic Casey’s 01/07/09 interview with OCSOPosted on March 4th, 20

    by Valhall

    In the January 7, 2009 interview OCSO conducted with Dominic Casey, OCSO detectives wasted no time getting to what they were truly interested in – the November searches on Suburban Drive. The first question presented to Casey (we’ll just refer to him as DC because calling him Casey confuses me) was how he came to be out there (on Suburban) searching. DC immediately caused issues by first uttering “I was not out there” and then circled around to state there was a meet and greet on the Saturday of November 15th, 2008. He then states:

    At the meet and greet. I was headed out to the meet and greet. And in Kiomarie Cruz’s statement she stated that that was a hangout where they hung out. That was one thing in Kiomarie’s statement that I had not seen or verified, so I thought on Saturday when I go to the meet and greet then I will go ahead and run by there and, and just take a look at it and see if it’s a hang out.

    full article:
    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1810
    ___________________________________

    Excellent article, Vallhall pinpoints “PI Dom Casey’s’ senseless, contradictory, outright false statements from this bald face liar to the FBI. DC’s jig is up & I’m not psychic! Neither was the person who led PI DOM to Suburban Dr., nor was it his ‘sick daughter’ imo the tip came from one of the Anthonys.

    Scum bag Dom’s claims he was searching for a live Caylee yet was caught tearing frantically through the trash bags for a dead Caylee at the same site her remains were later found.

    Why doesn’t DC’s sneaky, deplorable actions surprise me? Another blood sucking leech who had the hots for Cindy & attempted to help cover-up the murder & get his share of $$$$$ in media deals after the trial. Their greed is back firing on them all….karma…

  60. heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 4:23 am

    In other words I also have to disagree with NosyParker. Dom Casey is no innocent babe in the woods…but another sleazy, lying grifter…birds of a feather.

    It’s like all the players defending Casey including her parents, lawyers, friends, cohorts have some kind of scam artist, criminal, grifter radar they used to seek each other out.They’re drawn to each other like magnets.

    Take a look at Dominic Casey’s businesses, ‘nonprofit’ foundations, history of home foreclosures. It reads eerily similar to the Milsteads, the Anthonys, Baez, even Conway all had foreclosures, lawsuits, a long list of dissolved businesses & money problems.

  61. heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 4:39 am

    Let’s not forget Dom Casey’s ‘hit list’ of those ‘not invited to Caylee’s Memorial…which winded up being a weird Casey is innocent informercial complete with Lee’s weird CMA, CMA wrist kissing code speak.

    Also Dom Casey helped the Anthonys hinder the investigation with bogus sightings of a ‘live Caylee’ across the US attempting to divert attention from baby killer Casey & waste LE time & resources on wild goose chases.

    Remember Dom’s heavy involvement with the ‘mall sighting’ of Caylee in Orlando. I’m no relation to Caylee but took one look at the ‘Caylee mall photo’ and knew immediately that it was not her…so did the Anthonys. Shouldn’t giving misleading false tips to LE, the FBI be against the law, especially for a supposed private investigator? He

    Dom Casey is a disgrace to his profession..just another piece of subhuman trash connected to the Anthonys murder cover-up agenda. If he spilled it’s only because the creepy miscreant’s back is up against the wall & he’s saving his own ass.

    Does anyone belive Dom would have called 911 like he claimed he would have if he did find her body in those video tapes?

    I say BS, he would have moved it or done anything that Cindy told him to do with it. I’ll never believe Ginette Lucas, the fake psychic sent him into the woods off Suburban, that was his cover. It was Cindy or Lee who led him into the woods to find Caylee & he couldn’t even do that right…almost found her but missed the spot.

    He wanted to help them hide the evidence, he’s a sleazy coward & would have dumped Caylee, burned her body, thrown her into a more desolate area, into a pond, Cindy was the boss & he’d follow her orders no questions asked imo.

  62. Scotswoman said, on March 6, 2010 at 4:41 am

    ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 3:43 am

    Scots,

    How can we reconcile the media, JB, the A’s, DC, TL, MN<AL and.. JB into one sphere of attnetion?

    ————————
    Sorry Elf

    Im not understanding the question………lol

  63. stephanie said, on March 6, 2010 at 5:19 am

    ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Here is the 2009 Florida Fee Schedule:

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/…Section%205304

    This is the most Baez would be able to get.

    d) If the chief judge or designee finds that counsel has proved by competent and substantial evidence that the case required extraordinary and unusual efforts, the chief judge or designee shall order the compensation to be paid to the attorney at a percentage above the flat fee rate, depending on the extent of the unusual and extraordinary effort required. The percentage shall be only the rate necessary to ensure that the fees paid are not confiscatory under common law. The percentage may not exceed 200 percent of the established flat fee, absent a specific finding that 200 percent of the flat fee in the case would be confiscatory. If the chief judge or designee determines that 200 percent of the flat fee would be confiscatory, he or she shall order the amount of compensation using an hourly rate not to exceed $75 per hour for a noncapital case and $100 per hour for a capital case. However, the compensation calculated by using the hourly rate shall be only that amount necessary to ensure that the total fees paid are not confiscatory.

    Here is the flat rate info:

    4. For capital cases represented at the trial level: $15,000. For purposes of this subparagraph, a “capital case” is any offense for which the potential sentence is death and the state has not waived seeking the death penalty.

    Oh, I’d love for Bill to weigh in on this

    ********************************************************************

    Thank you for finding this information. I knew there had to be some rules when it comes to how much the defense would be paid when they are on the states dime.

  64. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 5:36 am

    Sorry Scots,

    Let me rephrase it:

    It seems easy enough to lump DC, JB, The A’s and Andrea into one financial bucket.

    How do we split out Terry Lenamon, MN and their withdrawals from the case in relation to finances vs. morals?

    I’m inclined to think that the A’s, JB, DC and AL all had their focus firmly directed towards future earnings. I don’t think MN falls in this category; I didn’t get enough of a read on Luka to figure it out. I’m even more stymied to figure out why Terry L. bailed.

    KC is the singular POC, and some chose to support her fully, while others chose to bail.

    I guess my question is: what is your opinion on why some hung in for blood money while some didn’t?

  65. dondi said, on March 6, 2010 at 8:05 am

    i don’t think a crew of ‘experts’ and a dream team is the best strategy for the defense.
    if i were Casey’s lawyer, i would keep things very low key and push the atmosphere that the ‘big bad STATE’ was after a young and inexperienced mother.
    frankly, Casey’s defense is basically screwed because everyone will see immediately what a wicked monster she is..but the ‘dispute the science’ approach is imo not the way to go.
    heroes take a deep breath once and awhile. justice does take some time and thought, not vigilante shouting and yelling.
    this is a complicated case with many variables, i don’t think the 2011 trial date is outlandish.
    Judge Strickland is giving each item serious thought, more than some who quote ‘bullet to the back of the head’ barbarism.
    how this case is handled is an example of how fine our justice system is.
    we are not like Italy in the Amanda Knox case..
    Casey will receive a fair trial (should it come to that).
    thank goodness Strickland is being very careful to dot all the i’s and cross all the t’s to ensure there won’t be needless appeals that cost the taxpayers even more.
    obviously, this is a very emotional subject to all of us, but shooting from the hip is demeaning for our country and us as individuals.
    we are better than that.

  66. Ina said, on March 6, 2010 at 8:36 am

    Thought Elf said:”$200,000 – $300,000 could be saved if the suspect would just plead guilty and take responsibility.” But I don’t think it is realistic to want Casey to plead guilty just to save taxpayers money. Perhaps it will help if she has some sort of prospect?
    If a confession would mean she would get a sentence of 20 years max. for instance, or if she just would come up with the truth. Is it very unrealistic to think like that? Now she doesn’t have much to loose or gain, I think , as they want her to die if she turns out to be guilty, so why would she confess? Is it possible that the dp is a barrier to a confession, or has it been researched and proven to work to get the truth submerge? How would confessing benefit her? (As she is of course only thinking of herself.)

  67. Thinker Belle said, on March 6, 2010 at 8:41 am

    They think they are saving the public funds by staying online beotching, threatening bloggers, family of people in similar situations as the A’s, and many that are soooo concerned about the funding aren’t even Americans…go figure! Now that the state has to pick up the tab for the defense, I wonder if they’ll ever question their actions such as protesting in front of the home, mailing rogue pizzas, threatening phone calls (someone threatened to drag GA down the Interstate until his skin ripped off or something like that), the online voting presented by some very questionable blogs, and the damage done within the neighborhood.

  68. RS said, on March 6, 2010 at 8:55 am

    I am curious why no mention of Macaluso expenses was made…..

    did they forget him, or did he fly here and stay here and participate all on his own money?

  69. testme said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Ina I agree about her never confessing if the DP is still on the table. You have read Casey correctly. But even if they offered her a deal of life for confessing, I don’t see that happening either. She will take her chance, just like how she has taken chances with all the money and checks being stolen.

    the state offered her a deal soon after she was arrested and she didn’t take it. The DP was put back on after finding Lil Caylee with the tape on her. Casey wants to be someone she isn’t, she will never confess and loss what she thinks she is.

    I hope this makes sense – good morning to you all

  70. judypc said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:13 am

    Well I think we all expected team Jose to file his client indigent but I do not see how it is fair for the states money to be used up on one person.

    Let her take a court appointed lawyer just like any other person would have to do.

    “Anthony has already paid Baez and death penalty expert Andrea Lyon $111,954, but Baez said that is not enough”
    The motion asks the state to cover the cost of depositions, transcripts, investigators, legal research, expert witness fees, medical or mental examinations, travel expenses and other costs the defense has or will incur.

  71. RS said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:17 am

    There is the, IMO, shady and equally conspicuous wording of…was willing to pay until DP brought back…

    wow, sure took her a LONG time to be aware she was unwilling…nearly a FULL YEAR to come to that conclusion…….

  72. testme said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:20 am

    you know, thinking about it, Baez wont be paid like he normally would amounts and so on if she is found to be indigent, but I wonder if there is a way he will recoup his “losses” after this is all over. Can he and Casey have a deal per say that gives him rights on something that he can make $ on, after the trial?

  73. Ina said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:22 am

    @test me yes it did thanks :) goodmorning too. That mo of spontanious actions perhaps was the reason she left all the stuff near Caylee’s body, not thinking that would connect the police to her I suppose. She had no plan… ?

  74. testme said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:23 am

    “was willing to pay until DP brought back”

    I think thats Baez talking and not Casey. Thats one of the most stupid remarks I have ever read. Where will that statement lead…. I can’t wait to hear the Judges responce to that.

  75. Ina said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:24 am

    There was this Son of Sam law (?) that says she can’t make a buck :) but he might, and then share perhaps? (This is just a theory.) Must go do groceries now, later :)

  76. judypc said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:27 am

    The Anthony’s have cost the State of Florida enough, I’m sorry but they think their were riots in the streets before, just wait.

    We are fed up with Jose’ his dream team, the begger family, and their murdering daughter.

    Jose’ should be court ordered to continue the case as a public defender.
    He took the case, he has wasted the states time and money so far, so let him defend his client now on his damn dime.

  77. dondi said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:28 am

    judy, i don’t think the money is ever all used up.
    the state would have to come up for the scratch to give each and every person accused the proper defense. i guess if twenty more Casey’s (god forbid) were charged, Florida would have to keep providing even if it meant bankrupting when i guess the federal gov’t would be obliged to ‘step up’.
    there is probably a bit of strategy involved here as isn’t florida only really obliged to give a defendant ‘matching funds’? meaning whatever the state spends is what she could expect in return?
    if so, the state could keep the cost of defense way down by limiting its dollar outlay for trial.
    why Casey has stuck with Baez is a complete mystery to me. he is so obviously a poor lawyer with mistake after mistake and mishandling of the public.
    how can she put her life in the hands of such a blundering idiot??
    it would be doing her a huge favor to appoint a public defender. let’s hope that doesn’t happen!

  78. RS said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:33 am

    If I’m not mistaken Dr. Lee said on Nancy Grace he was working for free…

    so let’s not see any bills submitted by him for the taxpayers to pay…

  79. Shilo said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:41 am

    @Thinker, I don’t even understand your comment at 8:41AM. sorry but what are you talking about?? It comes out sounding like you think LE or the government or someone paid the people who protested at the A’s home, etc. Sorry but I don’t understand. I guess not being an American you really don’t know how things work here. Do you mind explaining to me what you meant. I seriously don’t undertand the comment. Also, seriously not trying to start anything except to ask a question.

  80. Thinker Belle said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:48 am

    I have no idea where you read that within my last comment, Shilo.

  81. CayleesJustice said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Mr. Shaeffer, thank you for taking time out of your busy day to explain.

    I wonder, now that Jose Baez has taken that step to file for indigent status for Inmate Anthony, could the State/Judge Strickland ask for a breakdown of how/where/what Baez and Andrea Lyon did to spend that amount of money on her defense. Baez claims he received about $90,000+ and A. Lyon received $22,500 for expenses. Can they ask the defense to show where/how?
    They have not met one deadline on handing over their discovery, specifically to show what ex attorney Todd Macaluso’s claims to 100% innocent of her crime she sits accused for. They haven’t turned over their witness list, hadn’t taken any depos since last summer with the exception of Jill Kerleys’, so where did this money go??

  82. RS said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:50 am

    Like it or not, the judge will grant her what she wants, but not before, or hopefully not anyway, a full and complete accounting of her funds and how they have been used.

    It isn’t that I mind taxpayer money here and there used for a legit defense of an accused, it is this team and their antics that have me bothered. Best example, of it does not take a year in which you are spending money the whole time, to then determine you need assistance..it is like a heyday was had on what money was there, before then asking for public help..

    …instead of budget made nearly a year ago when DP was brought back….that is glaringly, IMO, shady to spend away and only nearly a year later then ask and cry you cannot afford to continue…

  83. Autumn Leaf said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:29 am

    I always get a kick out of posts that claim Biaz is a member of the dream team. Yikes. More like the village idiot, and he’s done it to himself with his obvious bumbling stuttering motion arguments in court and interviews he seemed to stammer through. Seems like KC and he deserve each other to the max. They both think they’re hot stuff, when in the big scheme of things, are nothing but slime.

    Lyon is on a crusade and probably appears in many cases to argue the DP for free. Another dream team member?

    Malcuso, ummm, don’t think so based on his history AND THAT BEACH VIDEO.

    Baden appearances are scarce lately as she probably knew there was nothing in this for her, no fame or dollars, just negative attention.

    IMO, Dream Team? What a bunch of losers — reminds me of a pack of gypsy road show players.

  84. NosyParker said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:43 am

    I guess it appears that I’ve given Dominic Casey a free ride in my rants. Not really. I think he’s a sleazeball who has his own agenda and expected to be riding the Caylee gravy train into his old age.

    I’ve just never looked at him as the mastermind behind all of the subterfuge. I think the grand poo bah Cindy, gives orders that he follows. His actions and methods of investigation don’t appear professional and frankly, anyone with a computer could gather the same “Intel” that he comes up with. It’s like he’s playing at being a PI. When reading the e-mails between him and Cindy, I think it’s clear that he tells her what she wants to hear no matter how absurd and he is more then willing to frame innocent bystanders. I’ve just always looked at him as a sleazy PI who would be disposable at the end of the day, but I guess he would know too much and has clearly been involved in all of the cover ups and obstruction. I hope he does take them down to save himself.

  85. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:54 am

    LOl Serious slip…protesters costing more money…BS to the nth degree! The protesters are old news and costs John Q Taxpayer nada. Get off the protesters for goodness sake. The people were well within their legal RIGHTS IN THIS COUNTRY to be there!!!! They were on public property stating their opinion…well within their rights. You and I are on the computer which is also public property stating our opinion, well within our rights. People in glass houses…..LOL. The protesters were in front of their home, we are IN their home. Stop demeaning others for something you and I are doing! What a hypocritical thing to do! The protester, poor, poor anthony song has been done over and over….doesn’t sound any better now than it did then. Just shows where your true allegiance lies.

    This discussion is about the here and now…like watching the haughty anthonys squirm for their dastardly deeds. Here, Here, pass the popcorn and beer!

  86. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:59 am

    RS: Agreed, she will get indigent status and will get assistance with her legal fees. I too am hoping JS at least demands an accounting for monies already squandered. It is from bozo’s own mouth that we learned he had received 200k+. That money needs to be accounted for and if wasted, bozo should have to repay felon anthony so that she can assist in her own defense with the monies she has collected from selling out her child.

    I am a bit ambivalent about her getting a PD. If she has to lose bozo, she might get a competent attorney!!

  87. talking2much said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Frankie,

    Don’t forget pizza’s and phone calls, it seems the state paid for all that too! I’m callin my state Rep by gawd! They never sent me pizza’s!

  88. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    BTW TB, the pizza was downright hilarious…don’t care who you are. It was especially funny that laughing lee and the dumbazzez ate the pizza!!!! ROFLMAO

  89. NosyParker said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    I think there must be a village somewhere thats missing all of their idiots and they’ve been gathering in Orlando.

    That’s a good point about the wording of the press release. Saying their client was WILLING to pay for her defense until the state decided to “take her life” doesn’t cut it. Either she has the money or she doesn’t. Idiots.

  90. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    t2m….darn skippy…I want pizza too, with a side order of crab puffs. Some people are so transparent it is pathetic!! protesters and pizza, reaaaallllllyyyyy? ROFLMAO

  91. No Nic said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    ThoughtElf,

    Terence Lenamon speaks out as to why he left Casey Anthony’s defense team as we are left to wonder who Baez has chosen to replace him

    So, it turns out that Terence Lenamon–the defense’s death penalty qualified attorney, has gone the way of the Anthony’s ex-attorney, Mark Nejame. A difference of opinion on how the case should be handled is what caused Lennamon to pull up stakes—- just like Mark Nejame’s inability to keep the Anthonys under control caused him to throw up his hands and move away–far–far away–

    http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2009/05/13/terrence-lenamon-speaks-out-as-to-why-he-left-casey-anthonys-defense-team-as-we-are-left-to-wonder-who-baez-has-chosen-to-replace-him/

  92. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    NoNic: Yep, Lenamon cited difference in opinion originally when he left. bozo made it seem like he asked Lenamon to leave, I think he left because he realized he was associated with the clown team. He sent a multi paged (12 I think) page statement to LE trying to get a plea. That is when he left.

    I think any intelligent attorney is going to refuse to be associated with this bunch of idiots. One would have to either make so much money he/she would never need a career again or try a different line of work. Seriously, would anyone really retain bozo or any of his clown team? I know I would NOT.

  93. RS said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Amazing people even accept a delivery of a pizza they did not order…..LOL..but somehow it is not the fault of those who did not order it, but somebody else’s…well allrighty then….hope Dominos mistakenly comes to my door and it’s a Meatsa Pizza…

    Conspicuously absent from the copy and paste is the Belich/WFTV bashing…

  94. RS said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Even more amazing is that somehow the public is costing money by being up in arms…

    when part of the reason they are up in arms is the wasted tax money on a snipe hunt for a Phantom Nanny…

    and adding to that expense to tax payers is being given the WRONG date last seen, costing so much time and money…

    I’m guessing those who protested felt their tax dollar was worth crowd control when protesting over stuff like that…

  95. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Nic,

    Thanks for the Lenamon reminder. I was too tired to look it up last night.

    RS brought up a really good point, too > what was Macaluso paid? We’ll know soon enough. A full accounting is required before this is granted.

    A Floridian friend just reminded me that the timing is even more interesting> now the taxpayers will also have to pay for the Defense to follow-up on the State’s current investigation.

    Part that bothers me the most is that this should have happened almost a year ago – last March. Recall the State pressing to find out how the defense was being funded? Strickland had them in camera in his chambers. Baez knew the gig was up then as Casey had to file an affidavit stating, “The defense is not being funded by any pending book or movie deal about her story, or her Daughters.”

    Had they declared her indigent back then, a year’s worth of constructive work would have happened already.

    It isn’t just that this team is full of clowns – JB is just a downright UNETHICAL clown.

  96. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    I’d like a Meatsa pizza, too, please. Skip the anchovies & the squirrels, but double cheese would be good.

    Damn Skippy, I could never never figure out why they accepted it either? Further evidence of their sense of entitlement – and stupidity.

  97. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Hmmm…don’t know…I think I would have to be virtually starving before eating a pizza I didn’t order…..especially since the public outcry had already started!

    It never ceases to amaze me that some people think we should ignore the law (DP for particularly heinous crimes) just to get casey to state the truth. According to this logic (illogical) we should reduce her sentence if she is a good girl and fesses up? BS, BS, BS..that is like paying her for the crime she committed. She should be punished to the full extent of the law whether she opens her lying pie hole or not. She duct taped her toddlers mouth shut and left her in a stifling hot trunk to die. She deserves NO mercy from anyone. I think she should be shown the same mercy she showed to an innocent child. The DP really is too good for her…let’s tape her filthy pie hole shut and throw her in a trunk in mid June! I would volunteer my trunk, but I drive a truck…. Or, possibly, Ina would take her in and let her be her grandchild’s nanny? casey did list on her resume a position as a nanny.

  98. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Ha..now dragging the anthonys down I95 ripping their hide off….hmmmm I wonder if that happened if some folks would be here campaigning for 5 years max sentence if the poor perp would just tell the truth?

  99. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Ina said, on March 6, 2010 at 8:36 am
    Thought Elf said:”$200,000 – $300,000 could be saved if the suspect would just plead guilty and take responsibility.” But I don’t think it is realistic to want Casey to plead guilty just to save taxpayers money. Perhaps it will help if she has some sort of prospect?
    If a confession would mean she would get a sentence of 20 years max. for instance, or if she just would come up with the truth. Is it very unrealistic to think like that? Now she doesn’t have much to loose or gain, I think , as they want her to die if she turns out to be guilty, so why would she confess? Is it possible that the dp is a barrier to a confession, or has it been researched and proven to work to get the truth submerge? How would confessing benefit her? (As she is of course only thinking of herself.)
    ———————————————————————————————————————

    Ok, I’ll try to address this politely, as I think you phrased your questions well this round.

    1. I do not think Casey should plead guilty to save the taxpayers money. I think Casey should plead guilty because she is guilty.
    2. I also think she should plead guilty because it is the best chance she has to get LWOP vs. the DP
    3. If she does plea (assuming the State would still accept a plea,) then allocution would be required. In other words, she would have to confess, in full detail, to the crime. There is no way the State would consider a plea of any sort without full allocution. (Note: if proven later that she lied in allocution, it could make the plea deal null & void, so I sometimes wonder just how useful her official declaration would be?)
    4. I’m not sure if you asked if the DP is preventing KC”s confession in a general or specific way? The DP was off the table for a period of many months – she didn’t confess. The DP wasn’t on the table during Sept 08 when JB initiated plea discussions with the State, then dropped those off the radar – she didn’t confess.
    5. How would confession benefit her? Well, it would save her life – and I’ve heard that confession is good for the soul (assuming one has a soul.)

  100. judypc said, on March 6, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    before the State picks up any tab all parties should be made to show where the money went they were collecting from donations, photo’s, interviews, every dime needs to be accounted for, Jose’ has had a full year and he still has not done his depo’s.

    Then and only then should the state offer up any funds, and it should just what any public defender would be allowed.

    No funds should be given to team Jose’ for anything done since Casey’s arrest.
    It should only pick up After the date of his motion.

  101. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    It’s a shame I have to head out, Frankie, because you’re cracking me up and I love a good laugh.

    Don’t mistake my polite post above as hoping that KC’s life will be spared. I’m on the ‘No Mercy’ train alongside of you. I’d far prefer the DP be applied, but the idea of Ms Thang being forced to tell the whole truth & nothing but the whole, ugly truth in exchange for a life of misery behind bars in general population does hold some charm.

    Questions for our Floridian friends:

    What laws would you like to see written, or changed, in regards to this?

    Should it be illegal to fund any portion of a defense with monies gained from media appearances, pic/video licensing, etc.?

    Should the Son of Sam laws be changed so that suspects can’t make a dime off their crime once charged as opposed to shutting down the $ potential once they are found guilty?

    A friend reminded me that they’re working on changing the laws about the publication of 911 calls thanks to that stellar dude, Tiger Woods. She’s in Orlando and finds that proposed change to be ridiculous! Because some celebrity got embarrassed by the release of a 911 call with a minor fender-bender and domestic dispute, all other 911 calls should be protected? She used the chilling ones from the multiple shooting downtown as an example of what might be effected as a result.

    Chime in Floridians – what laws should change or be written as a result of all the Casey Anthony antics?

  102. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    excellent point, Judypc!

    JB should not be allowed to claim any retroactive expenses prior to this motion being granted.

    That is what he did with Nilton Diaz case – filed for retroactive costs after Diaz was found guilty. (Meanwhile Diaz filed his appeal based on ineffective counsel…)

    Hey Nic?

    Do you have any links regarding what media deals Diaz might have made or anything about how he funded JB for his defense? I’ve never really researched that, but might be interesting.

  103. No Nic said, on March 6, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Elf,

    No the only thing I know about the Diaz case is that Baez lost and he was an hour late for the sentencing of his client. I would guess he never got paid. I think that Diaz said that Baez was defective not ineffective. :wink: Seriously!! :mrgreen:

  104. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Thought: I have to agree with your friend. I think 911 calls should be a matter of public record. Celebrities CHOOSE to be in the spotlight….else they could get an accounting degree and no one would care what they do. If one fails to call 911 because of negative publicity…well, that is also a choice! You play, you pay. I don’t care about TW one way or another, but many, many children do and I think he disappointed a lot of fans. I do think, however, that the line should be drawn at following his children and revealing the school/schedule of the children. Too dangerous.

    As to the Son of Sam laws…I am a little conflicted. If a person is falsely accused, media $$ could help that person finance a good defense. However, if a guilty person is allowed to profit from his crime, I think that encourages the commission of those crimes. I am going to have to think about that question for a bit.

    Judy: Great thought! The State only thinks it has had a problem with public outcry…I think if bozo files for retroactive fees there might be an outright riot!

  105. Autumn Leaf said, on March 6, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Frankie…Laughing.. needed that, Thanks!

  106. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Ina: Not sure about casey getting a plea deal now…I think that boat has sailed. The State offered before they found Caylee because everyone wanted her remains found. Now, I don’t think another plea will be offered. casey certainly cannot demand and get a plea deal. She confess till the cows come home, but the State does not have to plea unless the feel they need to do so.

    I am absolutely positive that we do not have all the evidence. Therefore, logic would dictate that if the majority of those who follow this case, even slightly, believe her to be guilty, the State has a rock solid case with the things we do NOT know.

  107. heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    THe defense attorneys should have agreed to work pro-bono & claimed her indigent starting on day one. After all she filled out the paperwork & had a court appointed lawyer in the beginning, then came her ‘celebrity status’ and greed took over.

    If the state was just seeking LWOP wouldn’t the defense still have to subpoena the same witnesses, take basically the same depositions, and hire almost all of the same experts?

    How many DP defendants have public defenders who are DP qualified?

  108. heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    NosyParker said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:03 pm I think there must be a village somewhere thats missing all of their idiots and they’ve been gathering in Orlando.

    That’s a good point about the wording of the press release. Saying their client was WILLING to pay for her defense until the state decided to “take her life” doesn’t cut it. Either she has the money or she doesn’t. Idiots.

    ____________________________

    I agree…lately I wonder what’s going on. Is the state of FL afraid to say no to the defense & the Anthony’s. Someone (maybe the Judge) needs to rein these people in & put them in their place..asap! This circus has worn out it’s welcome, time to shut down the tents!

  109. heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Autumn Leaf said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:29 am

    ************************************

    Good points…especially ‘Macaluso’s beach video’ lol…I think Casey won the sleazy lawyer lottery. Dream team..um I don’t think so!

    Maybe the state should declare Casey indigent & help with costs so the bumbling, stuttering fool Baez can stay on.

    They deserve each other & after all he’s leading her straight to death row!

  110. No Nic said, on March 6, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    [quote]
    How many DP defendants have public defenders who are DP qualified?[/quote]

    heroes,

    You would be surprised how manyare. A lot of public defenders come from a pool of practicing attorneys who agree to defend the indigent offenders. It can be a springboard to a better practice when they do, especially in high profile cases. Some are just plain benevolent and have the desire to defend those who cannot afford adequate counsel.

  111. No Nic said, on March 6, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    heroes,

    Also, a lot of defense attorneys were former prosecutors where they became qualified to handle DP cases.

  112. heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Thanks No Nic, I suspected there were at least a few DP qualified public defenders in Orlando F L, but had no idea.

    I guess that was my point, could have qualified as indigent from the start whether LWOP or DP was put on the table.

  113. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Gee, I wonder if JB will stick around for the appeal? ;)

  114. No Nic said, on March 6, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Elf,

    Do you think he will stick around for the trial?

  115. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Nope, nope, nope!

    I think Judge Strickland will rule to keep both he & AL on for now, but I am counting on his lack of ethics to have him removed before trial. Besides, the well is dry now and aside from the State & the Judge’s eagle eye on the financial dealings, many FL taxpayers are scanning the horizon more closely now.

    Also, recall that fairly solid rumour we heard last week that the State asked for a private meeting with Andrea – while JB was away at the forensics conference? I wonder if it happened? hmmm?

  116. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    Nic,

    These last few paragraphs from one of Terry Lenamon’s blog posts sum up why I think JB will not be around for the trial:

    “We, the attorneys defending against death, stand in the gap between life and death by our own level of care and attention to detail in the work that we do. Our focus cannot be upon the horror of our client’s background (though we sympathize) nor with any public repulsion of the crime at issue and their sometimes disgust with us, as counsel, for defending our clientele.

    Our focus must always be upon doing the absolute best job that we can in the defense of each and every case. It is our duty to review our own efforts to insure we are providing “effective assistance of counsel” long before any appellate court begins its review of any ineffectiveness.”

    Baez does not fulfill any of the above.

  117. heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    “This judge will not deny this motion,” WFTV-Channel 9 analyst Bill Sheaffer predicted.

    What happens to a defense team’s motion asking the state to pick up costs for Casey Anthony’s case?

    The notion that taxpayers would have to help pay for Anthony’s defense might outrage some readers. But Sheaffer predicted the change would speed up the case because the state would have more control. Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.

    WFTV anchor Liz Artz this morning said the station had learned Anthony is keeping her legal team instead of getting a state-appointed attorney. But Artz offered no details.

    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/03/casey-anthony-judge-will-declare-casey-anthony-indigent-for-costs-wftv-analyst-predicts.html

  118. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    They pretty much HAVE to grant this motion. It’s a silly little 6th Amendment thing. ;)

  119. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    casey should get an attorney provided for her…she had no job and she was an adult…no legal responsibility for c&g. However, since she allowed bozo to sell the pictures, he should have to finish the job and his total compensation for the ENTIRE job should be no more than a PD would have received. He should have to account for the funds he has already received and that amount should be deducted from the billable charges, THEN the State can pay the difference. Just a thought! LOL

  120. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    I like it. Especially since he’s done so damn little to date.

    He should be in a deficit to the State. They’ve schooled him on law often enough in court and in motion responses.

  121. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    He could consider it educational expense…He really, really needs an education…if not in law, in humanity!

  122. heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Maybe Casey’s indigent status is a good thing. Here’s a sample of the posts from angry bloggers I’ve been reading all over the web. Please don’t shoot the messenger…I never said it! It’s their fault the public hates them.

    *********************************

    xxxx says – Once again, Paraphrasing from the movie, Ace Ventura – Pet Detective;

    Casey Anthony should die of gonorrhea and burn in hell. Just look at (aside from all the evidence of her guilt) all of those sadistic facebook/myspace pictures she had posted.
    Cozy…if you’re Hannibal Lecter!

  123. denjet said, on March 6, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    I guess we would all like to see a post about KC filing that she’s indigent and how exactly that all works … I hope Mr Shaeffer will post and explain it to us soon ..

    Relating to that, I would like to know what happens to cost and fines that are still outstanding for the fraud trial and the murder trial … what happens to those or are they exempt??

    Thanks Bill!

  124. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    It is a bit scary how out of hand this has gotten. If I were the anthonys, I would think long and hard about the situation they have created. Their air of superiority has created a mob mentality that may indeed endanger all of them and their defense team. I absolutely am not a threat to anyone, but there are many, many people that are just a little south of rational. I think they would be very wise to make every effort to not further antagonize the general public.

  125. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Frankie,

    Funny you posted that. I was just thinking a few hours ago that if DC really does have some proof of obstruction, tampering or collecting funds while knowing full well Caylee was NOT alive… I think they’d need to hire bodyguards, not PI’s.

  126. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    Good Evening:

    Frankie, WOW! Perhaps the reality for the Anthony’s finally surfaced. Boy, this case is one big fat enigma.

  127. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    ThoughtElf:

    What could this new evidence be about? We have seen some excellent theories from many, the logical DC.

    But per all the revelations, definitely not coincidences.

  128. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    This is definitely rumour – so don’t beat me, but it is food for thought as far as coinky-dinks go:

    I hadn’t thought of this myself, but my Orlando chum wonders if the reason George didn’t react is because it is about to come out via DC investigative interview that he & Cindy were as close as rumors implied? Would explain Cindy trying to weasel her way back into George’s good graces, and would explain George’s flat-line response?

    Usually we see Cindy rubbing an other male’s arm – not George’s.

    (duplicate post from the other thread – I was late getting here.)

  129. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Sorry – let me frame that up: speculation on why no reaction from George when Cindy said, “love you” at check fraud hearing.

  130. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    ThoughtElf:

    Do we have a cyber stalker or new admirer?

  131. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    I was thinking about it today and I do not think KC will get the DP.

    While the jury gets to vote, the ultimate sentencing decision lies with Judge Strickland. Judge Strickland showed a fair hand and some leniency in the check fraud sentencing. As well, while I don’t think he much likes the A’s, he has made several comments in compassion for their situation.

    I do not think he will sentence death.

  132. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    We won’t know for certain until we see if they show up here.

    BTW, Anti – no matter when this goes to trial, find me afterwards to compare real notes.

  133. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    Been kicking the gray matter around ThoughtE on that one too! Something other than DC, the timing in all this raises more red flags….alarms and whistles.

  134. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    cindy has always rubbed up against ANY man but georgie…She was climbing all over Rob Dick at the little Econ that day. Good gravy…bet the man had to go home and shower the stank off of himself! I’m just sayin’ ….it was highly inappropriate.

    I really don’t blame them for leaving Losthopedrive. But I would have tried to keep the home. After all, it holds all the memories of their dead grandchild…How could they bear to leave it?

  135. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Tease – back to the timing, which always mystifies me. I’m still not grokking the key timing piece and you never share.

    Frankie:

    I still don’t think they’ll lose the house. Banks will take months to foreclose, then there will be a Hail Mary financial rescue. If they do lose it, let’s watch closely who buys it.

  136. No Nic said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    @frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:29 pm
    “It is a bit scary how out of hand this has gotten.”

    For sure frankie, the Anthonys and the defense team are a gaggle of wingless (or should I say witless) one legged geese swimming in circles.

  137. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    I wonder why the teaser about the evidence to be released Wed.? That is a LOT of DNA information! Wonder if george’s paternity test results will be buried somewhere in that release? Also wonder if that is not what the State is trying to delay. The backlash from release of that info if it is positive…whoo boy hang on….Maybe they are giving george time to hide.

  138. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    hmmmm.

    None of the links on JB’s website are working. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

    And if you click for the English version you get a 404 error.

  139. No Nic said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    Elf,

    What??????, you don’t have a Spanish speaking keyboard???:wink:

  140. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    Only after copious amounts of wine – then everything is in a foreign language.

    I had to take Tylenol, so no vino. Anti did it. I’m back to churning up brain cells on if not DC, then what? And what do I keep missing about this specific timing?

    *thud*

  141. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    I want that 2 minutes of my life back.

  142. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    A certain other Orlando attorney, who I won’t name on Bill’s blog, just posted some interesting commentary over on WS.

    Worth the read. Keynote:

    JB may not report what he was paid for the check fraud case. Rules state he has to report for all ACTIVE cases.

    There is a bit of interesting timing to add to the coincidence of the Defense filing this now.

  143. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    ThoughtElf:

    The timing agenda~ Achilles heel. You recall my questions to Mr. Sheaffer, you commented on a few…

    Two reasons piqued my nosey radar:

    1. SAO rushed ex parte

    2. DC closes shop, A’s foreclosure[toss in shopping for new Defense Rep] indigent declaration.

    Neither jibe, however, you spell/write/toss around/debate AL per some speculation visited with the SAO. IMO ~ wonder if the proffer – cracklin lackin.

    Something or Someone has busted a portal~ so what is the discovery doc dump?
    Will we see ALL the DNA reports, doubtful.

  144. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    FYI~ the cyber admirer showed up. Betcha you know!

  145. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    Interesting~ ThoughtElf~ looks like the lone ranger strikes again with that dang universal timing…lol

  146. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Doubtful, too, that all latent print info has been released either.

    Also, had a shining light-bulb moment reading back through all of your questions. You definitely illuminated something for me as active, which I thought otherwise.

  147. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    AL primary goal to mitigate, poker is a game of bluffs.
    You gots to know when to fold ‘em :)

  148. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    Pray tell~ did I shake a kidney..lol Share.

  149. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    You did.

    I know not where I tripped myself up, but I was under the illusion that Judge’s complaint was no longer active. Beyond intrigued that it is still active. I’ll sell you a kidney for more.

    6 weeks left at the outside? You think?

  150. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Good Evening

    Exit stage bed…….

    ThoughtElf, Frankie, Heroesfan, pleasure.

  151. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Note to JB:

    When you decide to be an idiot, you might not want to CC: management.

  152. heroesfan said, on March 7, 2010 at 12:22 am

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    Very heartfelt & sad!

  153. heroesfan said, on March 7, 2010 at 12:55 am

    To Casey From Caylee: Because Of You I’m Afraid

    *****************************************************************
    It matches the reletionship between Caylee and her murderer/used-to-be Mommy, Casey, and how Because of Casey Anthony, she destroyed Caylee’s life, and hurt her family’s lives as well…

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  154. heroesfan said, on March 7, 2010 at 12:59 am

    Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:57 pm Good Evening

    Exit stage bed…….

    ThoughtElf, Frankie, Heroesfan, pleasure.
    ____________________

    G’nite Anti Rumors, all…have enjoyed your comments tonight!

  155. heroesfan said, on March 7, 2010 at 1:23 am

    Nosy Parker, way to go! I just read your arguments ‘there’& agree 100%. Also, you’re a braver person than I am to stand up to someone who seems to think LE should ‘have looked beyond OJ’. As Casey would say ‘are you kidding me’?

    I’m afraid because of the past, so hats off to you…for going & standing up to this irrational person who imo is becoming unhinged & a bit star struck with the players on Casey’s side of the fence, and them self. I thought you were the winner against his increasingly foolish, incoherent & bassackward opinions.

  156. heroesfan said, on March 7, 2010 at 1:32 am

    Nosy Parker says-

    How do you know whether or not the funding has been discontinued because this case just isn’t sexy or juicy anymore? Those are Baez’s word “juicy” and “sexy” when he was explaining how the murder of a little girl who’s 22 year old, high school drop out, single mom without a job turned into this media sensation.

    I notice that Jim L. (can’t remember his last name) is no longer at the motion hearings with George and Cindy. How do know that some expected deals haven’t fallen through and the money has been cut off rather unexpectedly?

    ____________________________________________

    Hope you don’t mind Nosy Parker, but honestly I’m impressed, you were sharp as a tack! Excellent perspective, you are spot on!

  157. MsBingo said, on March 7, 2010 at 2:30 am

    Excellent video. Heartbreaking but real. Poor Caylee. She never had a chance with the skank mother god gave her. I’m on the fence with Cindy Anthony. With all my heart I KNOW she loved that baby. Maybe we should be thankful that in her less than 3 years she at least had the love of her CeeCee. What’s she had done since is despicable…but I can’t deny that she loved that child. I’m a grandmother and I can say from experience that the love of my grandkids is the strongest bond I’ve ever had.

    I hope KC’s “dream team” disolves and she is represented by public defenders like any other person facing the death penalty. She deserves no more/no less. Let the state make their case and let the jury decide. Either way, for her, won’t make a difference. Guilty is guilty.

  158. ThoughtElf said, on March 7, 2010 at 4:20 am

    LMAO. Seems I am not the only one who finally blew a “techie’ fuse. “Dude, you gotta get a Dell.”

    You can find my own MsBingo-worthy rant here @3:41 a.m.: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/03/casey-anthony-judge-will-declare-casey-anthony-indigent-for-costs-wftv-analyst-predicts.html#comments72678#comment

    At least two of us have been much maligned elsewhere. Shouldn’t really be worthy of attention, but it highlights that there are just as many Pro-prosecution Idjits out there without a singular original thought in head.

    After *smiles* shared (*rational thinking WTF shudder*) [ LMAO >>> don't beat me for that, it is quite funny if you know the context,] back on track:

    1. List all of the things DC might have coughed up
    A. Direct knowledge from KC/Defense that Caylee was deceased as early as Sept ’08?
    B. Active planning/participation with JB &/or the defense to generate fake ‘Caylee is Alive’ tips between August/December ’08?
    C. Determined/Designed attempts to knowingly (publicly?) cast SODDI suspicions onto persons that the A’s knew to be entirely innocent?
    D. DC/Cindy > Cindy/DC – no marital privilege there, is there?
    E. Can DC have stated that they were ‘watching’ the same ZFG of the civil Morgan case? Might he have outed all Cindy’s efforts to plot ouot the plan of attack before the civil hearing depos? (“She is not a 10, like KC described!” and all the flotsam about the spelling of the name on the Sawgrass visitor card which we all know was filled in by Harry.)
    F. DC hasn’t been under-the-radar for very long > might he have testimony to share about the fore-closure? How it was planned and who helped construct this strategy?
    G. And of course, there would be his full accounting – on the record – under penalty of perjury – as to why he was searching in the woods off Suburban Nov 15-16th for a dead Caylee?

    I’m sure I missed many other potential ‘bombshells’, but you get the point. There is much to discuss for objective, rational thinkers > beyond self-aggrandizing conspiracies offered up to further muster up all sorts of (un)reasonable doubt for either the Defense or the Prosecution.

  159. nom de plume said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:12 am

    FYI – Museli left a great post at the end of the “no cake for Casey” thread. Bees Knees directed him/her to this site, but guess he/she wasn’t dressed!

  160. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:31 am

    MsBingo: Would you allow your grandchild that you profess to love with all your heart to be missing for a month and do NOTHING to find her? Sorry, but I don’t feel any sympathy for cindy. she knew casey was an unfit mother. cindy told casey’s friends she suffered a mental issue, she knew casey had nowhere to live, I highly suspect she knew casey had no job because she said in her myspace posts that she had no way to support Caylee. cindy stated to several people that she should take Caylee and throw casey out. cindy/george sent lee looking for casey. cindy/george knew how little time casey actually spent with Caylee, because they baby sat for her most of the time. Both anthonys admitted they had NO contact information for ZFG, had never met her and Caylee didn’t recognize the name. I rehash all of that to say this: THEY SHOULD HAVE TAKEN STEPS, INCLUDING CALLING DCF, TO CONTACT CAYLEE, long before casey fessed up that she no longer had Caylee.

    I do think cindy loved Caylee…to an extent. cindy is no more sane than casey, however, and no better mother/grandmother. she used Caylee just like casey did….as a prop to get attention and the sympathy of others. I think, however, that cindy had grown real tired of the responsibility of a toddler and was trying to pushing casey to be with Caylee more and more…which, IMO, may have precipitated the death of Caylee.

  161. RS said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:26 am

    frankie,

    I think by now people either have or have not formed an opinion.

  162. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:56 am

    RS: Yep they have..so have I and I just stated mine.

  163. MsBingo said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:59 am

    Frankie – the answer to your 1st question is an absolute NO. I think the problem here might be that Cindy wanted to believe Casey was off and “bonding” with Caylee. Myself – if I could NOT make contact with Caylee (let’s say, for a few days) – my hinky meter would have been off the charts. Unfortunately, DCF &/or LE probably would not be a viable option for Cindy for at least a few weeks. Casey was 21 and at that time there was no reason for LE or DCF to intervene. George knew (he had to have smelled decomp) when Casey returned the gas cans on 6/24. From that date on I fault these grandparents. LE should have been called IMMEDIATELY IMO. Unfortunately, we now know that by then the baby was already dead. I do agree with you – Cindy and George both probably thought Casey was an unfit mother. They and they alone should have followed through with getting custody of Caylee through the courts.

    I can say that sometimes that is easier said than done. I don’t have time to get into how I know that right now – but I know from personal experience that the law and the juvenile court process in these matters are slow. Since KC had no criminal record, no obvious substance abuse problems…..they would have been in for a tough fight had KC challenged them (not to say she would have). I just know from experience that guardianship, etc is a tough battle. Been there, done that. It took me years. Whether we like it or not, mothers have rights. By all accounts, Cindy’s accusations of Casey’s “mental health” would not have been enough for Cindy to get custody of Caylee if Casey objected.

    I’m just going to say that I think that unless you’ve had personal, in your face dealings with DCF (in our state it is CPS) – it sounds at first blush like what should have happened but IT DOESN’T. That is NOT how they work. That would NEVER have been a solution at that time for Cindy nor would any report she tried to make to them or to law enforcement regarding her concerns for Caylee from 6/15 on (until the smell of decomp on 6/24) been acted on. Just doesn’t happen given the facts she could or would have provided.

    My biggest question? If C&G believed KC was working – why didn’t they blow up the phone lines @Universal….try to talk to KC’s boss, co-workers…anybody. Sending Lee to find her in bars? Bad move, Anthony’s.

  164. FRG said, on March 7, 2010 at 11:19 am

    Mr. Craig,
    Good morning!!! Do you know if the Motion filed by the Defense to declare KC as an indigent will be posted? I wish we could read it. Maybe you could get a hold of Kathi and ask her, just saying. Thanks a lot.

  165. craigatwftv said, on March 7, 2010 at 11:50 am

    FRG, I don’t believe they have ACTUALLY FILED the motion. We simply received a statement that they were GOING TO from their PR spokesperson.

  166. angelinfl said, on March 7, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Simple comment. Why would Cindy want to seek custody of Caylee and tell her work mates that she should/wanted to but not enough money to do so.

    Ciindy darn well knew something was wrong an Casey wasn’t the mother of the year.

  167. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    MsBingo: I do not buy that this was a sudden situation that developed on June 15, 2008. IMO the months leading up to the death of Caylee were critical and the anthonys should have recognized that there were extreme problems in casey’s relationship with her child. The question is could they have done anything to prevent her death? I think they had a chance, but didn’t take it.

    You are correct, I have had no experience with DCF as it is today. I did however work with the State of Florida in Child Protective Services over 30 years ago and I can speak with assurance that it is a difficult thing to prove child abuse/neglect. Mothers do indeed have inherent rights and I recognize that DCF is limited in what it can and cannot do. However, the anthony home was Caylee’s permanent home. If anyone was going to see the problems in Caylee’s life, it had to have been the anthonys, she was not involved with anyone else. No daycare, no playmates, no familial involvement outside of the anthony immediate household. I am not really talking about what they could have done legally, although a phone call to DCF would have resulted in a well child check, I believe.

    I think a mother/father does have some influence in their adult childrens lives. IMO if the anthonys had had a normal loving relationship with their granddaughter, they would have been more proactive in protecting her, even against her mother.

  168. FRG said, on March 7, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    Mr. Craig,
    I have read at three other local news and actually they state that JB has filed this Motion on Friday at 5 pm so it is not even in KC’s docket. Well, maybe Monday right? I am just curious but thank you very much anyway. Keep up the hard work!!!

  169. FRG said, on March 7, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Mr. Craig, one more question, (sorry to bother you Sir.) there is this correspondence filed on March 5 in KC’s docket, I was wondering who is going to post it first for us to take a look at. I am guessing this might be another letter just like JW’s wrote to JS. Geez!!!! Thanks Mr. Craig.
    So many lunatics in this case. IMHO, of course.

    03/05/2010 Correspondence
    from James McIntyre
    http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=6236234

  170. NosyParker said, on March 7, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    FRG if you go to Blink’s site and refer to Ada’s comment on March 6 @ 9:59 you’ll find links that will show you who this James McIntyre is. Apparently a suspended attorney and ….. well you’d have to read for yourself to get a true picture. For some reason I can’t copy and paste the links without adding every word of his comments and that would bog down this site. It’s worth the read.

  171. No Nic said, on March 7, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    MsBingo said, on March 7, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Oh, and OT again (sorry) – NONIC. I am a published DbaseIII programmer.
    ==========

    I am retired and not interested i programming any longer. I just like to play with all the new toys that come out now. :smile:

  172. FRG said, on March 7, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    NosyParker @ 2:09 pm – Thanks, I will go there to see it.

  173. heroesfan said, on March 7, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Hinky has a great new article up about Casey’s image downloads. Actually the author is JWG I think.

    I don’t think I’m the only one who has read between the lines of someone who is clearly an Anthony sympathizer & more than a little smitten with Miss Sassy Pants Casey…it’s as stark & obvious as his hairless cueball head….no matter how much it’s denied.

    How does my opinion, a popular one that he’s biased if favor of the defense & of Baez & co. trashing Kronk in the name of ‘justice for Casey’ make me a sl**? Bill sheaffer is a defense attorney & disagrees with how Kronk has been vilified. He wrote a very indepth article about it aimed at Baez & his ‘dream team’ titled ‘Have You No decency Sir’.

    Does rthat make Bill sheaffer a terrible man or lawyer to point out how despicable it is to turn on the very man who found the Anthony’s grand daughter rotting in the woods?

  174. heroesfan said, on March 7, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    I’m going out to eat, but must say that bizzaro attack saying I’m a sexual deviant just confirms that this man is out of his gore!

    I never said one word referring to anything sexual or deviant…where did that come from? And Craig, nothing deviant that I ever read in his comments.

    Is that some kind of subconscious con fession that he’s the perverted one. No sexually deviant comments are allowed here & the ones that got through usually originated from somewhere else…ummmm…..we all know where.

    Remember the donkey video…and the outrage…it originated from.??..you guessed it. End of discussion.

  175. ThoughtElf said, on March 7, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Can’t wait until tomorrow for lots more follow-up news on the indigent motion!

  176. testme said, on March 7, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    I can’t wait until Wednesday and we get more docs :)

  177. Diana said, on March 7, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    Great point Ms. Bingo

    WHY didn’t Cindy call Universal? Or even better…..WHY didn’t she go there and ask some questions, talk to co workers, bosses. WHY didn’t she have privy to Caseys OFFICE? WHY didn’t she ask for a paystub? Ask her about raises or sick days or vacations? The answer is….because she KNEW. She knew there was no job or she wouldn’t have put that in her myspace entry. “No future”. She knew there was no nanny too. Even being in denial, she would have to be a complete moron to think Casey had a job. Where was her money going if she was working? She never spent it on her daughter.

  178. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    Surely at some point cindy asked Casey to pay for something…something for Caylee, diapers, medical fees, cold medicine…something. What about on her birthday? What did casey buy for Caylee…anything? We know she stole money from Mrs. Pleasea to buy Caylee a birthday cake…but what about gifts, clothes? I think I would have suspected long before close to 3 years why casey couldn’t ever buy anything for Caylee. What mother doesn’t buy her child something, even a book or an outfit?

  179. talking2much said, on March 7, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    When it comes to the job at Universal, they most certainly should have known to ask for proof of employment, they knew she had lied about the job at Foot Locker.

    When they saw that she had no money and was stealing from everyone that should have been enough to make them ask a question or two.

    They just didn’t want to hear the answer, they might have to DO something.

    So they let it slide as usual.

  180. Thinker Belle said, on March 7, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    KC didn’t seem to be a mastermind when it came to using someone else’s checks. This is just a guess, but, maybe prior to all this, she had been a pretty good shoplifter. JMO

  181. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Maybe she was…she certainly is a thief. But she would have had to steal not only the gift, but the wrapping paper, the card for at least 2 birthdays and 2 Christmases, minimum. Wonder what she did about Easter baskets, etc. I think she made up flimsy excuses, and, as t2m said, they just let it slide because it was really just too much aggravation….they didn’t care.

  182. Diana said, on March 7, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    LOL Frankie

    You are so funny. I think one of the reasons they let it slide was because Cindy being a total control freak……WANTED to buy everything for Caylee, just so she could call the shots for how and when it was given. And then poor George….well……he was just along for the ride. The FREE ride. :) I don’t think anyone could “make this family” up, cause they are soooo whacked. All 4 of them.

  183. ThoughtElf said, on March 7, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    I hope that Satan broke the molds when he ‘made them up’. Wouldn’t want to see more like them pop up, would we?

    nuh-uh

  184. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    cindy probably did like to buy everything and rub it in casey’s face….but she had to realize that a normal mother would WANT to buys something for her daughter! A single mom with a job and living at home should have spoiled her only daughter outrageously! I would think cindy would have recognized that there wasn’t a bond between Caylee and casey. In the videos I have seen and the pics, casey seemingly posed for the pics. Has anyone seen any pics where casey was looking at Caylee instead of the camera?

  185. Thinker Belle said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    JMO, but, I seriously doubt any one of them could ever have been nor will ever be any more “whacked” than the people who spend the majority of their time, energy, and effort gossiping about them.

  186. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    IDK TB, seems to me like the pot calling the kettle black…My personal opinion is that the citizens of the State of Florida have every right in the world to discuss all of their business…casey committed crimes against the State and now the taxpayers are being asked to pay to defend her. If the anthonys did not want to be talked about, they should have not been on my television lying their behinds off. Thanks in large part to their efforts to divert the investigation and obstruct justice, no one would even know their names or care one whit about them.

  187. Diana said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    Frankie

    I think Casey was more like a big sister than a mommy to Caylee. She was not ready to be a Mother.

  188. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Diana…I think you are right. I think cindy liked it that way for awhile, but I really think that the stress of supporting the entire family and having a toddler to virtually raise at cindy’s age was beginning to wear real thin. I do think that cindy loved Caylee, as much as cindy is capable of loving a child, I just don’t think she was a good mother/grandmother. I think she failed to act and that failure allowed casey to be the “big sister” instead of the mother she should have been. Possibly cindy’s interference was the very reason that casey did not bond with Caylee. Now don’t get me wrong, I think casey acted alone and murdered Caylee, but I think cindy and george knew Caylee was being neglected and did nothing. I don’t think they realized until too late that Caylee was in mortal danger.

    I think george knew on June 24 there was a dead body in casey’s trunk. I don’t think cindy knew that prior to her call to 911. If she had, the entire clan would have high tailed it out of town and no one would have been the wiser.

  189. mchl454 said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    I agree with Frankie on this one. As a resident of FL I am very concerned about how this entire family has subverted justice. That is not gossip, or do you also believe Bill Schaffer is gossiping? We are discussing a viscious murder committed against a lilltle 2 year old, and whether and how justice will be served. It does not consume my whole day, but her, I won’t forget.

  190. Diana said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    I think Cindy knew when she made those calls Frankie. JMO. I just think when she smelled that car, and said to George “It’s the pizza, isn’t it George”? And he meekly said ..”yeah, it’s the pizza”. I think she knew right then and he knew that she was not allowing herself to believe what really happened to Caylee. She was probably very close to having a nervous breakdown, and just couldn’t handle the truth.

  191. Scotswoman said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Thinkerbelle said, on March 7, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    KC didn’t seem to be a mastermind when it came to using someone else’s checks. This is just a guess, but, maybe prior to all this, she had been a pretty good shoplifter. JMO

    Thinkerbelle said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    JMO, but, I seriously doubt any one of them could ever have been nor will ever be any more “whacked” than
    the people who spend the majority of their time, energy, and effort gossiping about them.

    ——————————————

    And your 7.53pm comment is what?…………………..serious social commentary? lol

    —————————————–

    frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    frankie

    I agree, I think Casey saw Caylee as a rival sibling. ALL those photos, its as though she is competing for cuteness.

    She abdicated her parental role from Caylee’s birth. Having a child should have been the thing that made her get her act together………Instead she abandons her job and invents a nanny.

  192. Thinker Belle said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Good point, Scotswoman! My intent, however, was to point to a reason other than casey is this mastermind, which everyone knows she isn’t, that is able to fool everyone. I beleive the truth is somewhere in between what the family beleived and what outsiders beleive, and, more than likely, if given a chance, KC herself could shed light on the situation. It did appear as if she was always surrounded by overbearing people, from within her home and the boyfriends she had. Just look at how overbearing complete strangers are! Greif!

  193. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    Agreed….Big sisters frequently want to “kill” their younger sibling but parental controls prevent that immature reaction. Given casey’s seeming immaturity and lack of any parental control for her entire life, there were no safeguards for Caylee. If Caylee was crying for CeeCee, given that casey was furious with cindy, she may have acted on that urge. That may explain the duct tape…trying to shut the child up. I have a hard time believing that casey looked up those things on the computer in preparation for murdering Caylee. casey is basically a slob…..too lazy to hold a job. Therefore, I think she would have chosen a much simpler method for killing Caylee. I think the computer searches were for cindy and george. I think she murdered Caylee in a rage. And as the State said, layered the duct tape piece after piece over her mouth and nose, watching her struggle to breathe. That is the premeditated portion, casey saw she couldn’t breathe, but did not remove the tape.

  194. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    IMO casey quit her job because she is L.A.Z.Y. She saw Caylee as the perfect ticket to live at home and sponge off cindy.

  195. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    TB: casey was given a chance. She refused to talk to LE or the FBI. She refused a plea deal that would have spared her life in return for the truth. She has been given multiple chances. What do you propose as another chance?

  196. Scotswoman said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    ThinkerBelle

    Now you have made two COMMENTS about Casey……..careful …….

    I dont know of anyreliable source to suggest her b/f’s were overbearing…….but please share

    As for Cindy………. it seems when it came to Casey, she put up with a ridiculous amount of crap……..

    True……. Casey Anthony is no criminal mastermind, but nonethe less imo she has demonstrated that she is an extremely manipulative individual.

    I’m sure Amy Huizenger can attest to that.

  197. Thinker Belle said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    I think she told some of the truth already. It appeared as if she was willing to talk to the FBI, but her attorney advised against it. She seemed to hold some form of contempt for the locals; she dated many of them, so, maybe this is the reason. Remember, all any of us have seen so far is circumstantial evidence and many opinons are based on the media frenzy. Granted, she was indeed the one responsible for the health and welfare of her own daughter, though she was an adult over the legal age that any parent would be considered responsible for, she was above 21 if I’m not mistaken. We all know she won’t be getting the “Mother of the Year ” award; however, it seemed as if the last two months prior to this horrendous event is when things seemed to go haywire. It sounds as if she has had this lying thing happening much longer; many people do. However, and as CA has stated, a liar isn’t always a murderer.

    I think the story will be far from anything anyone has already imagined.

    The costs to the people of Fla. will be tremendous. The people proffiting off this castropy are many. And, many of those making this story their bread and butter more than likely don’t even live there. They have latched onto it because it increases readership; therefore, selling advertisements which sell products.

    If the death penalty cost $900,000 to try, and a life sentence cost $200,000 to try, just think of what the residual, $700,000 would do for children that are still alive, possibly cold and hungry as we sit here typing. Just an example, mind you, and just an opinion, of course.

  198. Scotswoman said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    ThinkerBelle said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    I think the story will be far from anything anyone has already imagined.
    —————-

    Thinker

    Could you elaborate…….

    .

  199. Thinker Belle said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    No, Scotswoman, I could not elaborate. My opinion would mean absolutely nothing, and, if I were to give it, I would be jumped on by many whose only goal is to argue, aggrandize themselves, or their group, or, write and capitalize on another theory.

    I pass, thank you.

  200. Thinker Belle said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    Hope I didn’t offend anyone, and I apologize for all the misspelled words…spell checker isn’t working for some reason.

  201. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    Well, if we agree that she is indeed a liar, how do we pick and choose what it is we are to believe? I, for one, don’t believe cindy’s theory that casey tells part of the truth…back to the original theory…she is not that smart, according to you. As you pointed out, she is an adult. She hired bozo so evidently she trusts him….could be a mistake that will cost her her life, but she is an adult. There comes a time when you cannot protect one from himself.

    As to the cost to FL taxpayers, I think as a community we can decide that for ourselves and the majority of opinion that I have read support the State’s decision to try her for Murder 1. May I ask where you are from? Like it or not, the DP is available in this state and it is not a decision each one of us makes except or our option to NOT commit a DP crime in this state.

    Personally, I have no interest in riddling which part of casey’s BS is truth or lie. I don’t pay any attention to anything she says….oh wait, she has said NOTHING since her initial pack of lies. The rest of the BS has come from the anthonys. What I do believe is the discovery that I have read so far. I don’t know about you, but I do not need the media to tell me what I should or should not believe. I can read.

  202. Scotswoman said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    Thinker

    And why would an attorney who claimed his client’s total innocence and that Caylee was indeed alive keep his client from helping find her child……and what mother would let him.

    Why did the story morph from the vacant apt (official story and proven lie) to the smackdown at Blanchard Park(unofficial story as told to Federal agents by Cindy Anthony and per her phone pings , another proven lie)

    And why since Caylee was found has Casey Anthony not spoken with LE or FBI Is she still protecting Caylee?

  203. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    Really…you have a theory, but refuse to elaborate? Really? Yet you leap to judgement about others who DO offer up an opinion? I think if anyone offers up an opinion and it is informed rather than just a supposition that is diametrically opposed to the known facts, others might rebut it. What is wrong with that? It is called a discussion…at least in this country it is.

    I am quite sure that others don’t share my opinions, I could name names…. :) Just because others don’t agree, doesn’t mean I won’t state my opinion. However, I formed that opinion after informing myself on the particulars of the case. I did not decide to hold an opinion because I am opposed to the DP or because I feel sorry for the anthonys or think casey is a child and needs a defense.

  204. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    Scotswoman said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:46 pm
    Thinker

    And why would an attorney who claimed his client’s total innocence and that Caylee was indeed alive keep his client from helping find her child……and what mother would let him.

    ITA. Nothing on the face of the planet would have kept me from doing everything humanly possible to find my child.

  205. Thinker Belle said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    I have no strong feelings about the DP one way or the other as I have never personally been effected by a criminal so heinous as to deserve the DP. However, there are certainly those that deserve it: Charles Manson, Ted Bundy,, that guy in your state that buried a child alive, and many more. Is the DP a deterrent? I doubt it. Would these people hurt others is the question, I think.

    But, the main point I was trying to make was not about the DP, but, instead about the costs and how the difference could be used to help the future of those who deserve it more…just sayin’.

  206. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    IMO casey anthony is a menace to society in general. I believe she planned to kill her parents, hence the searches about chloroform, neck breaking and household items as lethal weapons. Perhaps you missed her ^5. She has such a sense of entitlement and anything short of LWOP or the DP and she would murder anyone who got in her way. She should never be released.

  207. mchl454 said, on March 7, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    ThinkerBelle said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    I think the story will be far from anything anyone has already imagined.
    —————-

    Thinker

    Could you elaborate……. ok, you won’t elaborate, np, to me? I agree with you. I think as bad as this already is, we are going to learn much more about just how cruel Casey was. It won’t be a conspiracy of drugs and cops, just how cruel Casey is. No love for her own 2 year old, oh yeah, more to come, but not like how you think. She will go down

  208. Thinker Belle said, on March 7, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    You may be right, mchl454. I absolutely have no way of knowing! Nor does anyone else that I’ve seen so far. I do not think the environment she allowed the child to be in was good, that much I’ll say, but, I still try to keep an open mind and hope for the best, not what I’d like to see on a movie of the week or a tabloid at the grocer’s check-out stand.

  209. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    I certainly do not think anyone has to believe the same things I do…that was not my question. I asked why you come here since you do NOT share the opinions expressed on this blog and are unwilling to share your own opinion?

    mchl454: I am afraid we will find more sordid details. For now, I am still sticking my head in the sand and pretending that she did it in a rage. It is horrifying to think she could have been more cruel than I already think.

  210. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    mchl454: Do you think the computer searches were related to Caylee or do you think she possibly intended to murder c&g?

  211. Thinker Belle said, on March 7, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    I have shared my oipinion, just not a storyline as requested earler.

  212. Thinker Belle said, on March 7, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    G’nite to all!

  213. mchl454 said, on March 7, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    IMO frankie, those searches were for George and Cindy, mainly because of the story Amy told about moving in there and them being gone, Casey’s house

  214. Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 12:09 am

    I am sure much is being held back in the discovery released to the public.

    I would really like to hear Riccardo Morlales FBI session in which he believed Casey felt, (parphrasing) that he was her last chance at finding someone to settle down with. I’d like to know the real reason they broke up. Who dumped who? And what effect did this have on Casey?

    Did she in some way blame her little girl?

    Almost immediatley, some might say on the rebound, she meets Tony Lazarro and within a ridiculously short time, she moves in with the guy…..cooks, cleans, steals to ingratiate her house guest status by regularly buying food and beer.

    He admits to detectievs he would often try and get a rise out of her about their relationship.

    I have always believed that Caylee died on the day she did, because Casey was determined to be with Lazarro that evening and she couldnt find a sitter. I truly believe that was the catalyst event.

  215. judypc said, on March 8, 2010 at 12:18 am

    It is my firm believe that Casey did indeed plan the murder of her child months before she carried it out.

    I arrived at this conclusion after reading the forensic reports done on those computers.
    In my estimation she had been planning since at least March.

    I believe the 15th gave her the push to carry out her plan, her anger at her mother cemented Caylee’s fate.
    Casey would in one fatal swoop reap her revenge on her mother, and Caylee, in truth I believe she resented Caylee so deeply that it turned to raw pure hate.

    She railed against the attention that she felt Caylee robbed her of, she resented being weighed down, she wanted to punish her mother for forcing this weight upon her, for choosing Caylee over her, she blamed Caylee for every slight she felt in her life.

    Casey is a hollow, self serving, empty shell of a person with not one true emotion that does not apply to her and only her, she has no empathy, no regard for another’s pain, in her mind she has done nothing wrong.
    Caylee did not matter, she had no concept that Caylee felt fear, or pain, all she saw was the satisfaction of getting revenge and freedom.

    And yes, she deserves to face the death penalty, she deserves to feel that terror of knowing she will pay with her life for her actions against a helpless child.
    She deserves to know that when that needle is loaded it is for Caylee’s life.

    And No, killing Casey will not undo the crime, No it will not erase the horror Caylee suffered, No it most likely will not deter the next murderer, but it will enforce the laws of this State, and the people that say No you can not commit murder in our State.

    So, the moral of the story is, don’t want the death penalty, Don’t move to Florida, Don’t murder you’re child, Don’t expect because you think you are to pretty, to special, to above the law that you will be given a pass.

  216. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 12:30 am

    Ashton himself said that 90% of the discovery has already been turned over to the defense. Recall Judge Strickland telling JB not to go off on another tangent regarding the FBI lab info requests?

    At the point, JS stated that proper motions would have to be filed, and that they’d have to get their (FBI & Body Farm) folks in there with their lawyers. Ashton tells the court that 90% of the discovery has already been handed over, and that they can’t get what JB is asking for. Ashton says he’ll help further, “Could you get LBK to call me directly instead of having it go from JB to LDB.” (paraphrased.)

    Don’t think there is a lot of discovery being withheld, but what is still left in that 10% might include direct evidence.

    (side note: assume it isn’t actually evidence or discovery that JB keeps harping on about re: FBI & Body Farm – either procedure manuals, white papers &/or employee records, etc., which is why the labs aren’t coughing it up – it isn’t discovery.)

  217. judypc said, on March 8, 2010 at 12:42 am

    I leave you with this to ponder tonight.

    Often, when a crime is committed you hear people say “ oh it is so out of character for them”
    So I ask is that really true?
    Is it out of character for a husband or parent that beats their spouse or child and suddenly that battered person is dead as a result of their latest assault, wasn’t it always in their moral fiber to inflict pain and kill?

    Simply because a person has not been caught prior to committing a heinous act, does not mean it was not in them to do so all along, it simply means they were very adept at hiding their true nature.

  218. Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:06 am

    ThoughtElf

    If there was a particularly incriminating piece of evidence, it can be redacted from discovery by the Judge. Either or both sides can request that in the interest of the accused getting a fair trial, certain information is not made public…..They have that prerogative.

    It would not be in the prosecution’s interest to put out there a partiuclarly damning piece of information eg a latent print, for obvious appellant issues that could arise down the road.

    We have already heard the defence cries of Salem witch trials and their belief she has already been tried in the media.

    Ofcourse, I could be wrong and we may indeed have been privvy to ALL the eivdence……but imho, I don’t think we have.

    Case in point……….we have never seen Lee Anthony’s FBI interview. I dont think he filled in those questionaires and then just went home……

  219. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:28 am

    Excellent! Thank you. I was not aware that was possible under FL law.

    I mull over the latent print possibility quite a bit. As I mentioned above, I wonder often what JB is so desperately seeking from the Quantico folks that they won’t give him? Perhaps something to do with how they might have raised a print on the degraded duct tape?

    I’d also like to see the interview, including the questionnaire answers Lee wrote, especially in relation to his thoughts on KC’s mental well-being. Lee is still an enigma to me. There are many things that have bothered me about his behaviors, yet on the other hand, he is the only one who wisely chose to zip his lip months ago. I’ve undecided if he did that out of wisdom – or self-preservation?

    I know everyone is looking forward to reviewing the new discovery release on Wednesday, but I can’t shake the feeling that other case news will over-shadow it this week. I’m fully expecting the Acme Anvil to drop on JB any time now for ethical issues. The outcry over the indigent filing is still at a dull roar. By the end of the week, I expect it will be a loud crescendo.

  220. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:30 am

    I should apologize for typos & errors in grammar, but usually don’t. Guilty of thinking faster then it translates to fingers.

    Above should read, “I’m undecided…”

  221. Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:33 am

    judypc said, on March 8, 2010 at 12:18 am

    judy

    Geat post.

    The computer searches could indicate she was fantasising abut life without Caylee, but I don’t think any great plan had been formulated.

    If it had been I don’t think she would have ridden around with Caylee in her trunk for days, nor would she have been so stupid as to have been photographed during a hot body contest. A plan may have actually have included telling the police immedately her child was abducted.

    I would like verification that she searched for missing children sites and proof positive that there was a fight on the night of the 15th. That I think would definitely be admissable at trial.

  222. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:43 am

    I have a question about Caylee’s health. In the video posted above I didn’t realize it until a few seconds ago that Caylee’s mouth is crooked, her face is swollen & I’d like to know why? I also wonder what date the videos or photos were taken?

    Caylee’s facial contortions, swelling, scrapes, dark circles, redness around her mouth have been mentioned on other sites. Caylee was shown on one photo, she had on a pink tutu I believe & her face was misshaped & terribly contorted.

    At the time I thought maybe someone doctored the picture to sensationalize it & it didn’t amout to any kind of illness, abuse, or the possible drugging of Caylee by her Mother.

    When I posted heroesfan said, on March 7, 2010 at 12:55 am To Casey From Caylee: Because Of You I’m Afraid- Video I didn’t notice it when I watched it the first time. But at the start of the video it’s noticable & it really bothers me that maybe she was ill & no one sought medical advice or she was being drugged even then. Poor dartling is gone now, but how did whatever was causing this go unnoticed, untreated if not by Casey, then Cindy & George?

  223. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:50 am

    I’ve got a lot of typos tonight too. After I looked at my comments I feel like an idget. Did I spell idget right? I know how to spell…usually.

  224. Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:53 am

    Thought Elf

    I find myself agreeing with you alot of the time, however on the inidgent issue
    I think this matter will fade pretty quickly.

    Having had time to think on it, I feel the Judge will have no real dillemna in declaring her indigent . If she claims, she has no means of raising any more money for her defence, how can he refuse. If she has been ripped off by her own defence attorney, that’s a separate issue.

    And whilst I sympathise with the tax payers of Florida, one could argue that in a civilised society where justice is the end game……. if the State choose to spend what they have in pursuing her conviction and possible execution, the same State will afford her the right to defend herself……..with ofcourse the appropriate investigation and caveats in place.

    I am trying to apply some reason and logic, so have taken out of the equation my hatred for the girl. lol

  225. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:56 am

    I also wonder if anyone in forensics, any one in the medical field at all who are involved in the case hired by the prosecution has noticed the photos where Caylee’s face appears unusually pale, swollen & her mouth contorted? Sort of thinking out loud right now, but it’s bothersome to me.

  226. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:03 am

    Another thing, in pictures where Caylee looks unhappy, unwell with her ‘Mommy’ Casey is always the picture of perfection. Not a strand of hair out of place, perfect smile with careful lipstick & mascara application in every single one. It makes me sick.

  227. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:16 am

    No one wants to talk to me tonight sniff..sniff…just kidding! I’ll go to my other obsession, my beloved Heroes, Lost & Fringe show updates at TV.com. They like me there & no one calls me a deviant..lol.

    Oh well, in the end all I want is Casey put away for life, the DP would be even better imo, the Anthonys charged with their cover-up crimes & justice for Caylee.

    Maybe Wednesday will bring ‘the smoking gun’ if not I believe the bombshell will be in what’s being sealed for 30 days, hopefully Dom Casey spilled. Good night all, excellent comments tonight.

  228. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:23 am

    Scots:

    Oh, I agree, there will be no issue with Judge Strickland granting the motion to declare Casey indigent. It is that ‘separate issue’ that I suspect we’ll hear much more about very soon. The timing of this filing is curious.

    The delayed discovery investigation is ongoing, perhaps as a result of DC’s investigative interview. Either way, whether the catalyst for the ongoing investigation or not, I’m pretty certain that the investigative interview included many questions in regards to who was financing what.

    Also, JB waited until after the check fraud case to file the motion, therefore he won’t have to list the monies he was paid to defend KC for those charges. So we still won’t see a full accounting of where all of the blood money has gone. It certainly hasn’t gone towards a proactive defense.

    I just don’t believe this leopard has changed his spots. The FL Bar wouldn’t let him practice for 8 years after graduating from law school due to his fiscal extravagance and irresponsibility. Eight years? And the FL Supreme Court upheld that decision.

    We noted the State’s grave concern with the defense financing back in March of last year. More than one of the 5 complaints filed against JB since he took the case have been about ‘following the money.’ Circle back around to DC’s investigative interview – he would have had to answer what the fiscal agreements were with JB >>> ‘payment on contingency’ is a big ethical no-no, which is what the State wanted to get on record last March.

    I’m certain JB will have further ethics complaints filed against him. I think the indigent filing is a buy-product of JB mishandling this from the get-go. And I think we’ll see a breaking news story about it any day now.

    Heroes:

    When I can’t remember how to type ‘idjit’ I just use the synonym ‘Baez’ – same thing.

  229. Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:24 am

    Heroes

    There was mention in the autopsy report that Caylee had premature closure of the saggital suture. And there is research out there to suggest this might be due to sleeing for extended periods on her back.

    The tutu photo you refer to is imo photoshopped from the one taken in Riccardo’s apt. In this Caylee’s face does seem lopsided but as far as I know there are no other photos like this and we know Caylee was photographed constantly.

    I do however think some photos of a tired looking Caylee with dominant dark circles under her eyes indicate the over usage of use of OTC sleeping remedies. And we could speculate chloroform was used on her.

    I maintain that when a b/f was on the scene, Caylee was a greater risk.
    Casey started seeing Morales in February. He claims soon after that Caylee stayed at his place 3- 5 nights per week.

    Valhall did a good article on the defect on Caylee’s skull . I agree with some of her observations but not all.

    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1358

  230. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:31 am

    Heroes:

    I am nothing short of haunted and tortured by several of the Caylee videos. The person shooting the video does not interact with Caylee in any way. No laughter, no responses. Nothing. Even when Caylee reaches for the person behind the camera, who I suspect was KC.

    I find myself thinking about those a lot when I try to grasp what Caylee’s daily life was like before she murdered. So chilling. A glimpse into to KC’s lack of emotion all along. Those videos speak volumes to me about KC.

  231. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:35 am

    ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:23 am

    Heroes:

    When I can’t remember how to type ‘idjit’ I just use the synonym ‘Baez’ – same thing.

    _________________

    You & Frankie crack me up, good one. G’nite!

  232. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:38 am

    Speaking of Val… I think JWG posted his computer forensics analysis spreadsheet over there way back, which had a lot of details on the searches, including the Missing Child site searches. I read it so many months ago now that I can’t recall if JWG determined that KC did them, or not.

    If you can’t find it at HinkyMeter, I can dig it up from old WS threads and post a link here for you.

    I wonder just what Lee might have said about the fight on the 15th in his FBI interview. Thanks for that, Scots. I’ve read so much I sometimes forget what I haven’t read yet.

    Night to you both – thanks for the great insights.

  233. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:40 am

    ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:31 am Heroes:

    I am nothing short of haunted and tortured by several of the Caylee videos. The person shooting the video does not interact with Caylee in any way. No

    **************************

    I know, it’s almost as bad as Caylee’s physical appearance. Creepy that she seems to purposely ignore Caylee during filming. It had to confuse Caylee that any interaction by Casey was only done as a show in front of C & G, or friends. Then adding in the 100′s of cell phone calls, texting daily, which had to occupy most of Casey’s time, Caylee was severely ignored, neglected.

  234. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:49 am

    Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:24 am Heroes

    There was mention in the autopsy report that Caylee had premature closure of the saggital suture. And there is research out there to suggest this might be due to sleeing for extended periods on her back.

    ***************************

    OMG like in a trunk? Honestly though I never believed she left her all night in the trunk. Drugging Caylee during the day to get her out the way while she talked, texted on the cell, wasted time on the computer instead of working makes more sense to me but…

    Anyone who’s had a toddler knows they need your undivided attention much of the day or they get into a lot of things, need to be watched, fed, cleaned, changed. No way was Casey being a Mother to Caylee with those 100′s of phone, texting, computer transactions daily. did you read at Hinkys how she’d download like 900+ images, skulls, bloody morbid pics of little girls, juvenile, some dark disturbing poetry in one day?

    A good Mother has no time for this, not to the point it takes up most of your life. Caylee had to suffer the consequences.

  235. Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:52 am

    ELF

    I totally agree re leopard changing spots. And I think if Baez were not under such a spotlight he would have creamed off even more of Caylee’s blood money.

    Here, I think when Baez brokered the ABC deal, he thought there would be more where that came from. That way he could skim off premium rates and expenses as opposed to the constraints the State would have placed on him.

    As it is, I think the Judge will ask for a full breakdown of all expenditure to date and what is left in the pot.

    But at the end of the day, any complaint re how Baez spent the ABC money would have to come from Casey. And here’s betting she is mighty p*ssed right now.

    The jail visitation logs suggest that the “special relationship” ended a long time ago.

    I also think Baez is desperately looking for a way out of this case.

  236. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:01 am

    Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:24 am

    The tutu photo you refer to is imo photoshopped from the one taken in Riccardo’s apt. In this Caylee’s face does seem lopsided but as far as I know there are no other photos like this and we know Caylee was photographed constantly.

    ______________________________________

    I thought so too, now I just don’t know for sure because of the video.

  237. Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:03 am

    Good Night Heroes and Elf

    Enjoyed the chat

  238. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:06 am

    Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:52 am ELF

    I also think Baez is desperately looking for a way out of this case.

    ——————————–

    I agree going by his behavior at the last court appearance. He was even more of a bumbling, stuttering mess than usual, like he was about to lose it. And I think he’s had enough of Casey, actually glanced over at her with a look of disgust a couple of times.

    Or at the least he wasn’t fawning over her like Lyons every time she faked tears, he’s been there done that & must be getting sick of this miscreant he agreed to defend. He’s in it too deep now & probably is realizing he’ll be neither as rich or famous, at least in the right way, as he first thought.

  239. mchl454 said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:07 am

    You may be right, mchl454. I absolutely have no way of knowing! Nor does anyone else that I’ve seen so far. I do not think the environment she allowed the child to be in was good, that much I’ll say, but, I still try to keep an open mind and hope for the best, not what I’d like to see on a movie of the week or a tabloid at the grocer’s check-out stand.

    ok thinker belle, yes or no, do you believe casey killed caylee?

  240. mchl454 said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:09 am

    yes or no thinker

  241. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:11 am

    Goodnight Scott, TE, Judy, thanks for including me in your chat, I also enjoyed it! I need to wean myself off of this site for a few days, my husband was angry that someone called me bad names & said Casey’s case is not worth it.

    He wants to ban me from all Casey sites cause it makes me moody sometimes & we have a long haul before justice. So I might not be here for the next few weeks, but will still read when possible. I do what I want, but…he’s got a good point I need a break from this circus..for now!

  242. Ina said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:40 am

    http://www.floridacriminallawblog.com/florida_juries_given_additiona/

    Goodmorning, just found a blog (the link) where it was said jurors are now able, within the Court’s discretion, to be allowed to submit questions to the Judge to ask witnesses. I wonder what that may lead to. Are jurors becoming more important to the trial?

    Funny, my husband said the same to me as heroesfan’s did to her :) But I am not good in obeying lol. Still: good point and I do the break as well.

  243. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 4:06 am

    I know Ina, what is it about this case that turned it into a media frenzy?
    Is it because we’ve never seen the likes of the Anthonys before, their inexplicable behavior?

    As much as I don’t want to, I find myself looking for updates every day. The Anthonys & everyone involved with them are like a train wreck, you must look no matter how disturbing.

    We’ve grown to care for little Caylee when it seems her family doesn’t.
    Although I know you feel differently than some of us about certain aspects of the case I think we all care for the innocent little girl who was killed.

    Good night Ina, I hope we have the will power to keep away from here when we need to, but it’s hard I know! I’m going to try,especially after this latest fiasco from someone who called me a sexual deviant for no reason other than I disagree with almost everything he says.

    It just isn’t worth it so I’ll let things cool down.

  244. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 4:10 am

    I usually don’t listen to my husband either Ina. But we were out eating tonight & juyst talking & he asked what I did on the computer today. I casually said oh I talked about the casey anthony case & someone called me a slu*.

    He’s like what, you need to stay away from those blogs and he was really pizzed..lol..this time he’s got a good point!

  245. judypc said, on March 8, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Scotswoman:
    check this report http://www.wftv.com/news/17567178/detail.html
    I think it links to the report.

    Casey’s computer showed that she had visited Web sites discussing chloroform and had done Internet searches on missing children the last being done in March.
    To me this indicates she was learning how searches for children were done, the reactions of parents of missing children, and the overall reaction of law enforcement.

    Also, what one should look at closely are the search terms she used, if you consider that the terms you use when doing a search reflects you’re thoughts at the time of you’re search.

    For instance if I wanted info about a shovel, I would consider the job the tool was being used for, and I would type in something like “what is best garden shovel?”
    Someone else might look for “Roofing shovel, or snow shovels” you tend to reflect you’re desire for particular info in the terms you use to search.

    In Casey’s searches she used terms such as “How to make chloroform, and inhalation of chloroform”
    She also termed her searches on weapons very specific, “Using Household items as weapons”

    Then if you look closely at some of her messages she reveals her true feelings about her child.
    “Should I bring the little snot head?” for instance and “I can give her cold meds and knock her out”

    To me these illustrate her true thoughts and lack of tenderness for her child.
    Our subconscious mind always directs our actions and the terminology’s we use in our everyday walk in life.

    heroesfan:
    Don’t allow the Mcgruffs to spoil you’re day, no matter the subject there will always be those that want to pick a fight or cause discord, it is their need to sour you’re day because they are sour on life.

  246. FRG said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:04 am

    judypc – Hello there!!!
    Take a look at KC’s docket, hopefully Kathi belich got a hold of them today.
    http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/default.aspx
    03/08/2010 Motion
    for Determination of Indigency for Costs (re-faxed due to pages missing from 3/5/10 packet)
    03/08/2010 Affidavit of Insolvency/Indigency
    03/08/2010 Affidavit of Attorney’s Fees
    Indigent for Costs re: Andrea Lyon
    03/08/2010 Affidavit of Attorney’s Fees
    Indigent for Costs re: Jose Baez

  247. craigatwftv said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Casey Anthony trial date set by Judge Stan Strickland for May 9, 2011. Find the full details VERY SOON here: http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony — including a copy of the Judge’s order with other deadline dates, as well.

  248. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:15 am

    Now we will see what deadlines have been set for the Defense to get the depos done.

    Having said that, I still think the defense will try to stretch those deadlines as now they can claim that there is a delay while waiting for indigent funds & then later, they’ll cry JAC red-tape holding up monies to get tasks completed on time. I think Judge Strickland may have created this schedule before the indigency motion, and we’re just seeing it filed now?

    Regardless, there will finally be some movement. Skaal!

  249. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:21 am

    Update: All witness depos must be completed by Oct. 31, 2010.

    That’s 7.5 months to complete tasks on the State’s dime that could have been undertaken at any time in the past year if the bulk of the previous monies hadn’t gone towards JB’s fees.

    Guess KC never wanted to pay for the right to a speedy trial to clear her name and prove herself innocent of all charges? County jail is much more comfy & cozy Lowell will be.

  250. FRG said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Mr. Craig,
    Thank you very much!!! You are the best!!!

  251. No Nic said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Finally the Judges order for the time line:

    http://www.wftv.com/pdf/22774322/detail.html

  252. No Nic said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Oops, I forgot, Thanks Craig.

  253. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Here is the calendar order:
    http://www.wftv.com/pdf/22774322/detail.html

  254. No Nic said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Elf,

    I particularly like #6. Looks like Judge S. is preparing for the conviction. :smile:

  255. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:42 am

    LMAO! You caught that, too? I don’t usually LOL, but I did when I read that. I imagined fast-forwarding to June 2010, didn’t you?

  256. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Help me out here. Noting all the dates for filing each witness list, does this order supersede previous order to submit a defense witness list?

    Let me phrase this up a different way: are we still due a current Defense witness list or full listing of those they plan to depose? Before the dates outlined in this new time line calendar?

  257. Hazaka said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:50 am

    No Nic — and ThoughtElf ————– Do you really read that into #6??? Seems boiler plate scheduling …… Judge can’t leave anything dangling nor to chance…. has to cover all aspects ——————

  258. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:59 am

    (answered my own question above in completing this)

    Cheat sheet of due dates:

    * June /10 – Discovery phase witness witnesses addressed

    Aug 30/10 – all other witness lists due

    Sept 30/10 – State’s Expert depos completed
    Sept 30/10 – All LE officer/employee depos completed

    Oct 31/10 – Defense Expert Evidence Review
    Oct 31/10 – All non-forensic/scientific evidentiary motions must be filed
    Oct 31/10 – All other witness depos due

    Nov 30/10 – Defense Expert Witness list
    Nov 30/10 – Expert Witness Reports
    Nov 30/10 – All forensic/scientific related reports

    Jan 31/11 – All non-forensic/scientific evidentiary motions must be heard prior to this date

    Feb 28/11 – State depos of all Defense expert witness,
    Feb 28/11 – Drop-dead date for all motions related to forensic/scientific to be completed

    May 9/11 – Trial begins

  259. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Hazaka,

    Agree that JS was just leaving nothing to chance. But, yes, I certainly did read into it that there will indeed be a penalty phase. Mind you, I’ve always thought there would be a penalty phase.

    I guess I just had a laugh because I was trying to imagine who would stand up for her as character witnesses? Other than her folks?

  260. No Nic said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Haz, no I don’t believe that it was boiler plate as he could have set that time line at the time of conviction. Besides, this trial will certainly last well over a month which will go past the June 10 th deadline.

  261. FRG said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Funny, where are LKB and Dr. Lee affidavits??? Maybe it is not as of yet in the docket.
    Does anybody know anything how it works???

  262. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Nic:

    Is June *2010* a typo?

    I think that should read 2011.

  263. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Missing the mitigation social worker affidavit, too. Assume Garcia’s is all lumped in with JB’s. Perhaps this is the signal we’ve been expecting that Dr. Lee & LBK skipped out?

  264. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Reading the indigency & affidavits right now. Couple things stand out:

    1. KC claims to have had no income since incarceration -> meaning blood money paid while she was out on bond?
    2. Most of the points raised for costs focus on Lyons – JB only barely mentioned. Is this another sign JB is going to be out?
    3. Reading the affidavit, I get a lump in my throat are fire in my eyes when I see 0 (zero) on the first line, as in “I have 0 dependants.” Yes, KC, you got rid of you only dependant.
    4. “No other compensation, things of value or funds have been paid or are anticipated to be paid to the attorney in this case by any other person or source.” Sorry ’bout your luck JB – that one is signed on point of perjury.

  265. Hazaka said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Who in heaven’s name is James L. McIntyre????????

  266. No Nic said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Nic:

    Is June *2010* a typo?

    I think that should read 2011.
    ============

    Correctomundo mein fair Elfenfrau.

  267. FRG said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Hazaka @ 2;21 pm – Just when you think you saw everything in this case, there we go again!!! Did you read James L McIntyre correspondence? Is this guy for real??? 8shaking my head*

  268. No Nic said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    Haz, as far as I know a defrocked Attorney who has injected himself into this case.

  269. NosyParker said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Is it odd to anyone else that Casey left blank the question does she has any debts? Every other question is answered with zero or N/A. Doesn’t she at least owe Dominic Casey, or so he claimed to the Florida Bar. His contract may have been with Baez but the money would have to come from Casey and/or the mysterious benefactor, not out of Baez’s own pocket.

  270. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Busy week for JB. We’re finally seeing the end of the stall shell game.

    He’s taking LE depos the next few days, including John Allen’s.

  271. Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Judypc

    Many thanks for the link to the article about the missing children sites. I had read the actual PDF report before but it doesn’t actually show or reference these searches.

    However, I’m thinking wftv reporters must have got this info from the excel data sheet referenced in the report.

    wftv said:
    “Digging through Casey’s Internet history, Eyewitness News discovered evidence she was surfing missing children
    web sites months before Caylee disappeared. She visited one more than a year ago. Ironically, now Caylee’s picture takes center stage
    on that same site.”
    end quote
    .
    I think ThoughtElf said she had seen the excel spreadsheet on another site. It doesnt seem to be widely available. Maybe she would be kind enough to post the link. I certainly would like to see the manner of these searches, as you say the exact words or phrases used.

    This could be so damning for her…….the article by wftv suggests she visited one of the sites as far back as September 2007.

    Now, if we could just get to the truth about the fight on the 15th…….Then, I would be tempted to think , she killed Caylee purely to get back at Cindy. Until I know that for sure, Im going to stick with ……….my ” couldnt get a sitter, flew into a rage theory” lol

  272. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    Hi Scots:

    Digging for JWG’s search analysis, but I have to take off for a while, so it might be later this eve when I find it.

    In the interim, regarding the June 15th fight – Mark Furman reported that Cindy herself told him about it, plus there was the neighbor’s statements regarding the fight.

    Some good reading/commentary/speculation here:
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83435

  273. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Scots:

    As I said, just heading out, but you might find it in this thread:

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69288&page=22

    Scan for posts by JWG &/or JamesBond for best analysis on searches

  274. dondi said, on March 8, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    look at Casey’s morphed signature on the application; it is a heart.

  275. Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Elf

    Many Thanks …….catch you later

  276. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    Just read on another site that Defense filed motion to block: (no link to the motion)

    - the hot body contest & other KC partying pics
    - CA 911 calls
    - CA & GA statements that depict KC as a liar & a thief
    - other friend & family statements

    Defense states all of the above are too prejudicial.

    IF they do manage to get an order to block CA & GA’s statements, will they just redact the pertinent parts, or will their entire OCSO & FBI statements be barred from the hearing?

    They’re shooting for the moon. At best, I think they might get the 3rd 911 call out, but maybe not the rest?

  277. talking2much said, on March 8, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    Thoughtelf,

    I think that’s the motion to preclude prior bad acts, so far that hasn’t been heard by the judge yet.

  278. judypc said, on March 8, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    Scotswoman:

    There are neighbors statements that say “they witnessed the fight” described the loud name calling, cursing, and Casey’s car speeding away.
    There are Lees statements about the fight.
    And as ThoughtElf posted there is a statement by Mark Furman where he says Cindy herself admitted to the fight.
    also Jesse made a statement where he said Lee had described the fight to him as being violent, that it ended with Cindy having Casey in a choke hold with her hands around Caseys neck.
    and if memory serves me Tony also made a statement about the fight, I want to say he said Lee informed him, but I am unsure at this moment.

  279. talking2much said, on March 8, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    Thoughtelf

    Your right, according to clickorlando, there is a new motion.

    That makes no sense, they already filed a motion to preclude prior bad acts, but it was flawed, terribly flawed.

  280. frankie said, on March 8, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    How in the world can the 911 calls be kept out???? Too prejudicial? OMG that is patently ridiculous. If everything that is prejudicial to that murdering POS is kept out, they might just as well cancel the trial and nominate her for MOTY. This is just too infuriating for words.

  281. frankie said, on March 8, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    It will take as long to get justice for Caylee as she lived.

  282. frankie said, on March 8, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Hear that cindy and george. The father of Chelsea King, though he could barely speak through his tears, thanked everyone who searched for his daughter. THAT is how parents/grandparents act when a child is missing/killed. You might need that heads up for your scamdation.

  283. talking2much said, on March 8, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Frankie

    I don’t think the 911 calls will be excluded, I see cases where the calls are used all the time.

    And I think it will be longer for justice than Caylee was alive by the time this is complete.

  284. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    I’m hoping they’ll throw a copy of this motion to block up early tomorrow.

    I’m trying to make a list of all of the ‘other’ friends & family statements they’ll try to block. Shirley’s? Rick’s?

    Can anyone remind me what JS decided when he saw those other photos – I think in camera – way, way back? We never got to see those – they weren’t released. I must go hunting.

    Frankie – you never fail to sum it up in a way that makes me grin. ‘Scamdation’ is a keeper.

  285. Huh? said, on March 8, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    From News 13

    Her defense team wants pictures, interviews and phone calls thrown out.

    Numerous pictures have surfaced showing Anthony partying with her friends.

    The defense is arguing that these pictures create a huge bias against Anthony. The team also says only one set of pictures fall in the timeframe of when her daughter was missing.

    Her lawyers say that any pictures taken at clubs, bars or parties before Caylee’s disappearance are irrelevant.

    In a new motion the defense writes “the media has used multiple photos in order to vilify her as a ‘party girl’ who must be responsible for her daughter’s death.”

    There’s also a list of statements submitted by the defense that they want no mention of at Anthony’s trial.

    Some of those statements include the infamous 911 call when Cindy Anthony said “it smelled like a dead body in the car.”

    Or when George Anthony said to a tow truck worker “the daughter is telling us crap, a bunch of lies.”

    It also includes statements Roy Kronk made to former deputy Richard Cain.

    Her team said it’s unfair to the case, and a jury should never hear about it.

    The defense wants it all tossed out on the basis that its hearsay evidence.

  286. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    When in doubt, scream & shout!

    That’s pretty much what JB is up to this time.

    Party pictures from before Caylee was missing aren’t really legally relevant, so those aren’t likely to make it in. Party pictures while Caylee was missing? Damn right they are key pieces of evidence. Anything that shows her ‘ugly-coping’ state of mind during that time line isn’t prejudicial – it is evidence.

    The tow-yard employee – might get stricken as hearsay. Depends on whether there was a corroborating witness. Was this in Simon Birch’s statement or Gary Ridgeway’s? And was the female tow-yard employee present when George told Birch/Ridgeway that? (Sorry, I can’t recall her name.)

    Nevermind, I found it: Lines 16 – 19 – page 6 – Birch’s stmt: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/28295596/Simon-Birch—Tow-yard-Mgr—OCSO-Stmt

    Birch is a direct witness that George stated this to – so it is NOT hearsay. He can testify to hearing it from George firsthand.

    Boy, you can sure tell they’re trying to mitigate the 31 days and the whole family’s actions, behaviors on July 15 – 16th, can’t ya?

  287. frankie said, on March 8, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    Party pics before Caylee went missing don’t make me think she was a murderess, they let me KNOW she is a sleaze bucket, STD repository. The party pics AFTER her tiny daughter was nowhere to be found, screams to me that she is a murderess.

  288. frankie said, on March 8, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Apologies…that was uncalled for on my part. She is just sooooo nasty.

  289. judypc said, on March 8, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Frankie No worries Mate.

    The State will not miss a step.

    Jokin Jose’ & Lyon’s will claim when Cindy said “it smells like a dead body in the damn car”
    That it was an excited utterance of an untrained lay-person.
    That Cindy Anthony could not know what a damn dead body smells like, because she is not qualified to determine what death smells like.

    The State will then ask, Ms. Anthony what do you do for a living?
    How long were you employed as a nurse?

    The photos prior to Caylees death they will claim as prejudicial and may get some lead-way, but the state can counter with prior acts if they try the ugly coping defense.

    The statement by the tow yard supervisor can not be termed hear-say as it was a direct statement made to him in a conversation, to be hear-say it would have to come from a third party.

    The statements by friends he wants excluded can easily be brought up in court under testimony, they really do not need to use the statements taken by police.

    And Roy Kronks statements made to Deputy Cain being excluded in one way helps the state, and if Jose’ then approaches those statements, which we know he will in order to get into court the 3 failed attempts by Kronk the State can counter through the open door law.

    So in essence Jose’ has not advanced his case with these motions.

  290. frankie said, on March 8, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Very reassuring JudyPC, at least my BP dropped under 250! cindy can’t be deemed untrained, after all, she said at one point that she was a “nurse of decomp”! She should be declared and expert witness.

  291. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    Oh hell NO, Frankie. Then Cindy would want to be a PAID expert witness.

    Perish the thought.

    Know one thing I’d like to see come up in during the trial, even though I doubt it can be – what ‘innocent’ mother of a missing child would sit cozily in her cell instead of attending hearings – up until the Judge forced her presence? Pretty much the same thing as her not reporting or discussing Caylee being missing – until forced into it.

  292. Arkie3 said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    Don’t mean to intrude on a conversation, but Val has a funny post up on Hinky. I for one needed some humor. WARNING- don’t drink any coffee while reading- I snorted mine out my nose.

  293. frankie said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    ThoughtElf: True…darn hadn’t thought of that! old cindy would definitely want her cut of the action. She would probably be like that whiny guy who said he wouldn’t get out of bed for under 200k or some such silliness. I sure wish I could buy these idiots for what they are worth and sell them for what they THINK they are worth…..I could pay for the defense many times over…LOL

    I always thought that was weird even for casey. Who would sit idly by in their cell, filing her nails or napping while her fate was being decided without her? She probably figured old bozo would do as every other male in her life did (at least in her reality) and rescue the damsel in distress. Boy she sure picked the wrong pony! bozo looks more like a leprechaun than a knight in shining armor.

  294. frankie said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Arkie: That was pretty clever …. LOL

  295. frankie said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Well…I am off. I am going to go do something mindless and try to lower my blood pressure.

  296. FRG said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    Hello everybody!!!
    If you guys want to laugh, here is an article… have fun!!!
    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1931

  297. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    hmmm.

    In the Omnibus Motion to Exclude Innuendo, Gossip and hearsay – check out page 6 – point B.

    Within, Lyon implies that Cindy knew Caylee was missing for 31 days (don’t think CA is gonna like this,) states that neither Cindy or Casey were in immediate danger, then goes on to argue that Cindy’s 911 call utterances are as a witness ‘of a past crime as she believed the child had been taken.”

    Ooh, Ms. Lyon is a tricky thing with words.

  298. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    Well heck, this is finally a defense motion with some real lawyer speak. Andrea pulls some really interesting plot twists.

    I’m still reading, but does anyone else smell a bit of ‘throw Cindy under the bus’ in there?

    Stunning: page 7 “giving Cindy time to reflect and regain her composure” in reference to the time between the 911 calls. Are you kidding me?????

    “There is no evidence Cindy was under stress of a startling event.”

  299. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    Oh, there will be a smack down for this, “There was no immediate emergency.”

    The more I read, the bigger my eyes are. Andrea is so wiley. She’s picked case law in some instances that she expects the STATE will use, then argues why it doesn’t fit that circumstance. Reverse engineering.

  300. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    Val’s article was just what the Dr. ordered. :D :D :D

    ‘Specially after reading the Omnibus.

  301. talking2much said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    ThoughtElf

    I just read that motion, ohhhhhhhh is right! LOL Cindy will be livid! But I think most of us knew Cindy would hit the pavement located under the bus, now didn;t we? hahaha I thought this day would never come.

  302. ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 12:05 am

    I’m just reading the Exhibits now – Lee is going under the wheels, too!

    You know, I have to say that it is at least refreshing to see something worthy of reading & discussion coming from the Defense. I mock JB, just because he is so damn clown-like, like a caricature of a criminal defense lawyer, but, I’ll feel a whole lot better knowing someone else has the reins over there, so the trial isn’t entirely fubared.

    Scroll up – scroll WAY up. I must be psychic like Ginny! I used my magical ‘gut hunch’ just last night that something much bigger than the indigency was going to drop this week. And I think this is it… Andrea grabbed the steering wheel and dropped that big ole bus into low gear. She’s just building up speed now.

    Cindy won’t be livid. She’s not quite bright enough to figure out that the tread marks are going to cover-up her new tats. She’s likely saying, “Oh, anything for our darling Casey – now let’s drop another $100 we can’t afford into her commissary account.”

    booyah

  303. talking2much said, on March 9, 2010 at 12:26 am

    Oh, oh i just read that post by Valhall!

    It’s been a good day !

    I have to go read where Lee will introduced to the place where the tires meet the road.

  304. Arkie3 said, on March 9, 2010 at 12:27 am

    Gonna be a long year I think. I just have to keep telling myself the prosecutors are very good and know what they are doing. That way I won’t worry about each little bump in the road the defense makes. I too am glad to see a professional motion come from the defense. I know we will see justice eventually. As for Cindy feeling the bus wheels – couldn”t happen to a better person.

  305. ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 12:44 am

    I am not the least bit worried. Andrea is just doing her job. And at least she is trying to do it professionally.

    Two additional things stand-out:
    1. Much of what they are trying to exclude is really about mitigation – not a big worry as to it’s impact on the totality of the circumstantial evidence. Many of the exhibits fall under the category, “Characterization of the family relationship.” Whether they get some of these statements excluded or not, people like Amy can testify with firsthand knowledge that Casey did indeed steal from her or Shirley can be asked on the stand what she’d witnessed about the Caylee/Cindy/Casey relationship.
    2. The defense has finally shown us their hand – they’re trying to offset the horrendous harm the Anthony’s themselves (plus DC,) have done to their Daughter’s case, but all the motions & objections in the world won’t save them once they take the stand. They’re also still going after Kronk.

    *queue up the Twilight Zone theme music*

    “One of the fundamental truths of the universe is that there isn’t anything that cannot be improved with the addition of pirates, ninjas, midgets or monkeys.”

    (Let’s add: woods-traipsing PI’s, Lips that don’t zip, snakes, psychics and the Mother of The Mother of the Year.)

  306. Arkie3 said, on March 9, 2010 at 12:54 am

    I agree but suppose I’m just use to the defense being “less than intelligent and professional”. It’s amazing how much difference a different bus driver makes lol. By the way didn’t you mean “mutha of the mutha of the year?

  307. sterling1462 said, on March 9, 2010 at 1:11 am

    Does every ethical lawyer files motions stating that their client and someone else should be considered equally as suspects? Nope a good lawyer would never say his client should be considered….

    Does a ethical lawyer stands in front of the judge during a hearing and states that his client had sole possession of the car. Nope… a good lawyer would look into who else may have had access to the car where the body was stuffed in the trunk for several days prior to being dumped. That would be reasonable doubt…. but no this lawyer told the judge that his client has sole possession of the car until she dumped it.

    Does a ethical lawyer pitch the media instead of the court room. Filing motions under the wrong codes or case numbers in 9 out of 10 filings? File motions that the judge has to address as incorrect or without proof? Does an ethical lawyer release known mistruths or aligations against innocent people, who in fact have been proven false?

    Does an ethical Lawyer really lecture to knowningly lying to the court and the jury regarding a witness just to show doubt? Andrea Lyon statement was ‘ it does not matter if what you are telling the jury is the truth – it only matters that you can convince one juror to think reasonable doubt’ That every rape victim is the perp and to show she “asked for it”.
    Now I question what or how did some 85 year old lady dressed “to ask for it” Or was it the the blue hair that turned the guy on? And did she knowningly die her hair with the intent of “asking for it”?

    I could go on and on……..

    Some people ask if I am one sided and only see this from the outside looking in?
    No I have been on the recieving end…. I have seen what the procecution will do to get a conviction. It is not pretty nor is it flattering. But I do believe after seeing with my own eyes that 99% believe in their jobs. And in today’s judical system the uphill battle that both sides are facing. But the tipping of the scales needs to stop…. as do the lies and half truths. Both sides of the law need to held accountable to the ethical code of conduct. I know they have read them….. they are part of every state’s bar exam. If the state is to be held accountable for truth and disclosure then so does the defense.

    A murder is the act of taking of a life. A murderer is the person that took the life. A pea is a pea whether it is cooked or not. A murderer is a murderer the minute he or she takes a life.

  308. ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 1:29 am

    Thanks for the correction, Arkie. We have to stop there though, because I think Shirley is a vibrant lil’ old gal. ;>

    Points 7 & 8 on the ‘Lay Opinion Testimony’ motion are… impossibly generic? I translate it as, “Don’t let the State ask witnesses any questions about Casey Anthony and don’t even think about cross examination after we’re done with them.”

    Lyon missed on this one, as it is far too all encompassing.

  309. No Nic said, on March 9, 2010 at 1:40 am

    Elf,

    “*queue up the Twilight Zone theme music*”

    You asked for it.

    TWILIGHT ZONE

  310. ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 2:20 am

    Nuh-uh. You can’t pander to me by posting the link to music that is already on BB my ring-tone & set as my Windows error sound.

    Cough up some intelligent discourse on the motions and I might consider renewing my respect for you after taking the JB (easy) way out and going for the obvious.

    My theme song selection for the motions today would be:

  311. ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 3:03 am

    Wrap today’s AL authored motions in the appropriate context:

    I read most of hearsay/innuendo/gossip, the party picture, and the layman testimony motion ‘fluff’ as attempts towards mitigation. In my head, all of it translates as Lyon saying, “She will be found guilty, how can we make her seem less reprehensible to keep her from meeting Ole Sparky or a syringe that won’t be disposed of in a Gatorade bottle?”

    I didn’t think any of it very relevant to necessary proof of guilt, at all, as direct witness testimony can come out at trial, even if Strickland is overly cautious in granting a few of these exclusions.

    I believe that Andrea filed these with the penalty phase in mind, more so than the trial itself. There is more than enough forensic and investigative evidence on file to nail Casey, so Lyon is already working 3 steps ahead to minimize anything that will sway the Judge towards passing a Death sentence on this lying, murdering, gypsy-tramp-of-a-thieving narcissistic sociopath.

    AL doesn’t imagine KC will be found innocent for a single second, else she wouldn’t be investing pro-bono time or energy upfront in this case for a single second. She took this case on to bolster her anti-DP sentence stance, not to help prove that KC is innocent. Else, there are tens of thousands of other criminal cases she would have long since turned her attention towards.

    AL is all about preventing the DP from being carried out – nothing more, nothing less – and if you read her motions with that in mind, they won’t be so nerve-wracking. Lyon is carefully lining things up for the inevitable end-game when she has to plea for Casey’s life.

    *Anything Kronk-related in motions is like dry-ice at a cheap cover-band concert. Fake fog to distract from the lousy performance. (Science & Casey’s behaviors)
    * Anything Anthony-Family-Related is designed to minimize the extensive examples on record that her own family thought she was a lying, spiteful, irresponsible Mother & Daughter

    We’ll see many, many more motions liek this over the course of the next year. If you keep in mind what Andrea Lyon’s primary goal is, (likely shared by KC,) then this all makes more sense without undue cause for alarm.

    JB has been sidelined with all his, “My client is innocent” blustering, the A’s are being held accountable via Andrea for their ingenuous ‘help’ along the way, and AL is busting tail to get another ‘win’ on the books for her efforts to save the life of a ‘deserved’ criminal.

  312. Scotswoman said, on March 9, 2010 at 5:17 am

    Elf Judy

    I think I need to clarify my sceptisism re the fight happening on 15th

    I am well aware of the anecdotal stuff that has been going around about Lee supposedly telling Jesse about it, Padilla parrotting that, supposed neighbours’ statements and the claim that Cindy told this to Mark Fuhrman.

    Im sure Cindy and Casey went at it in June and Im sure neigbours can testify to that. As for Mark Fuhrman, again I cannot find anything where he says Cindy told him there was a fight. What I did find was a transcript from the Greta show where Fuhrman actually tells Greta that the couple denied it.

    Here is the link
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402098,00.html

    and here is the relevant segment

    VAN SUSTEREN: Did the parents or the grandparents — did they say anything to corroborate that, or Lee, or anyone say anything that would tend to corroborate the neighbor’s statement?

    FUHRMAN: No. Exactly the opposite. In fact, I asked Cindy Anthony and George if there was a fight that they had with Casey that weekend or any time close to the time when she took Caylee and left, and they absolutely said not. And that seems to be, you know, a direct conflict with a neighbor who on that weekend said that there was, you know, an argument.
    ends

    Another thing that bothered me was Shirley Plesea NOT mentioning to police that on Father’s day, she and Cindy had talked about Casey’s stealing of the cheque in April. I rightly or wrongly got the impression that Cindy knew long before 15th June that Casey had stolen from her grandfather’s account.

    I have never heard Lee Anthony corroborate the fight in his statements and ofcourse why would he? That leaves Jesse or the neighbours. Jesse got it very wrong about hearing Caylee in the background, so I think its possible he got this date wrong too. And I have yet to read/hear a neighbour/witness statement that ties the fight down exclusively to the night of the 15th June as opposed to the 14th or the 13th.

    So let me be clear, Im not saying there wasnt a fight or indeed many fights.
    I have just yet to see tangible proof that safisfies ME that this was the event that triggered Caylee’s murder. And ME hardly matters in the scheme of things . lol

    Perhaps there are certain things we will only really know at trial………if ever .

  313. judypc said, on March 9, 2010 at 10:25 am

    sterling1462 said, on March 9, 2010 at 1:11 am

    That is prob the best post I have read to date.

    As someone with a great love for “the law” in its pure state I have to say BRAVO!!
    Outstanding post.

  314. No Nic said, on March 9, 2010 at 10:32 am

    ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 2:20 am

    I guess the only thing I can cough up this morning is a fur ball after that catty little remark. Have a great day.

  315. concerned4caylee said, on March 9, 2010 at 10:45 am

    ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 3:03 am

    Wrap today’s AL authored motions in the appropriate context:

    I agree. I also think that any picture (after Caylee went missing) will be used for evidence.

  316. sterling1462 said, on March 9, 2010 at 11:10 am

    If Baez had photos showing she had looked for her daughter or was remoseful he would want them entered as evidence.
    If Baez had those he would have sold them to the globe by now…..
    I say anything leading up to the death should be in. From the time she started searching the internet on ways to kill her whole family.
    notice he does not ask that the pictures that Casey deleted from myspace during the 31 days to be withheld…. hummmmmmmm

  317. sterling1462 said, on March 9, 2010 at 11:13 am

    ohhh I used the word “kill” yes Andrea Lyon’ favorite word…..
    Guess what Ms. Lyon if you like the word KILL so much I will incooperate it in every post….
    I do not like Casey…. she KILLED her daughter!

  318. No Nic said, on March 9, 2010 at 11:16 am

    As far as the motion is concerned, I think that Andrea Lyon is trying to re-write the hearsay rule in the State if Florida. I would hope that Judge Strickland will see through this transparent effort on her part. If she gets all that thrown out, they might as well throw the key into Casey’s cell and tell her to go home.

  319. sterling1462 said, on March 9, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Defense attorneys make mountains out of molehills. They create smokescreens so thick they could convince a jury that the courthouse is on fire. In truth, their job is to take the focus off the defendant’s actions, and to make the jury believe that the victim is the wrongdoer. If you’re the victim of a crime, you’re fair game – an open book. Indeed, a defense strategy succeeds when the jury stops wondering if the defendant is bad and starts wondering if the victim is bad. In some cases you almost expect the jury foreman to stand up and say, “We the jury find the VICTIM guilty!”

    Of course, Casey Anthony is presumed innocent in a court of law, but we need to start telling the truth about the presumption of innocence. The phrase “innocent until proven guilty” does not mean that those who have examined all the evidence before trial must stick their heads in the sand and draw no conclusion whatsoever. Prosecutors don’t drag people into court because they assume they’re innocent – they indict people because they believe they’re guilty. When the grand jury voted to indict Casey Anthony it didn’t assume she was innocent. Its vote meant there was probable cause based on extremely damning evidence to assume she was guilty.
    **************
    the above statement is in part from judypd…… I changed it a little…. below is just me
    **************************

    The grand jury is made up of citizens not prosecutors. People like me and you. People who looked into the evidence presented to them by the prosecutors. Yes the same prosecutors that some say plant or railroad innocent people. But every step is taken in capital cases to insure that this does not happen. That is part of what the Grand jury stands for. Another thing that is set in place is a strict mandate as to the quaifications of lawyer defending the accused. These are set to protect them.

    And you questioned why 13,000 pages of documents have been turned over to the defense? There is that much damaging evidence in this case. After a year and 9 months the defense has not shown that there is one piece of paper of evidence that Casey Anthony did not kill her 2 year old child. Not even a witness list containing one person that will vouch that she had an alibi. Not one expert has been added to the defense witness list… that can vouch that any of the 13,000 pages of state has turned over can be disputed. Not one. The defenses deadline to turn over discovery regarding factual proof that Casey did not commit this murder was on Feb 1, 2010. This date was set by the Judge after the defense team stood in court and stated they had proof and fact that Casey was not the murderer. The judge gave them 60 days to show the proof. The defense did not respond nor did they ask for more time. And as of today 3-8-10 the defense team has not filed the court ordered discovery.
    No alibi for the time frame. No other reasonable example of who what when or how this child ended up in a wooded area with 3 layers of duct tape across her face. Stuffed in not 1 but 3 bags.
    The defense has claimed on national tv, in a court of law and in motions that there is no evidence that Caylee was even murdered.
    And then in the very next motion claim that the meter reader should be just as much of a suspect in the murder.

  320. testme said, on March 9, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Hello everyone, I can not wait until tomorrow and to read the docs coming out.

  321. amazed said, on March 9, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Have been away from this case a couple days, I think after a bit we all get frustrated and need a break. The reading here has been great today, with a lot of intelligent back & forth remarks.

    TB I am in agreement with your statement regarding the cost of this case, and the money that could be used to better advantage helping live children in need, but that would never happen. I don’t agree that the DP is not a deterrant. It will at least deter THAT person from ever killing again, and I believe totally that it certainly WOULD deter others from taking that step over the edge if they thought that the DP would be carried out. Now all it means in many states is that if you get pizzed off enough at someone annd kill them, you get free room, board, and all the other amenities theses killes are entitled to today, because there are people out there who think they should be treated with respect and dignity!! Casey is a sociopath, Casey would kill agiain if she felt she needed to, and as a sociopath, she would feel she needed to.

    I think the Anthonys deserve all the misery they inflicted on themselves and should also be held accountable for the crimes trhey committed in trying to cover this up.

    I would love to see the money trail that SS kept refering to, as she said it was shocking.

  322. ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Sorry Nic. Should have added a ;) in spirit intended.

  323. sterling1462 said, on March 9, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    According to the motion filed they are asking for all of Baez and Lyon’s expensed TO DATE to be paid by the court. Baez is also listed on a second case the Check fraud…. I see a motion coming for those to be paid too. No wonder Baez is not fighting restiution….. cann’t fight with what you do not have….

    From the way I read the motions regarding indigent….
    The fees they are asking the courts to pay are the lawyer’s back fees….
    and future fees….
    the motion title reads
    INDIGENT FOR COSTS OF ATTORNEY’S FEES
    FEES PAID OR TO BE PAID this looks like a bill to me…
    Casey claims she has not made any money… since arrest….

    The way I read them nothing in the motion states that any money has already been paid by Casey.
    What am I reading wrong?
    No Nic just stay away from me… please…. I am just trying to understand….

  324. amazed said, on March 9, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    @Sterling..

    How rich!! Casey hasn’t made any money since her arrest. When did she make money before her arrest? Actually she did make money off poor dead Caylee’s pictures aftr her arrenst if we are to believe that she already paid JB $111,000.00. Maybe I am misunderstanding something.

    Again, it boggles the mind that these poor “indigent” ANthonys never looked for child support or SS benefits. Would they be able to collect them from SS or a live father for the two years that Caylee was alive at this point?

  325. sterling1462 said, on March 9, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Amazed that is what I am having trouble with….
    I called a lawyer friend he said you would not file this motion unless you are asking for those fees to be paid.
    this is a bill not a statement showing payment….
    Now everyother motion that has been filed has been wrong….. so maybe they just filed their already paid expenses under the wrong motion……
    No where in the rants of the motion show anytype of payment being made to pay the lawyers fees….

  326. sterling1462 said, on March 9, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    LEAN OVER FLORIDA…. THIS IS GOING TO HURT……
    JUDGE HAS RULED ON INDIGENT STATUS

  327. No Nic said, on March 9, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    I don’t see anywhere I addressed a post to anyone but ThoughtElf. I think this comment “No Nic just stay away from me… please…. I am just trying to understand….” was highly unwarranted. Just because one of my comments was sandwiched in between yours does not mean I was addressing or countering anything you said. It just happened to be a comment and in fact, a response to ThoughtElf’s comment to me at 2:20 AM asking me to cough up some intelligent discourse on the motions, which I did. It had nothing to do with you.

  328. Wait 'N See said, on March 9, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Thar she blows…………

  329. ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    I find your discourse to be consistently intelligent. ;)

    You might like this read – great theory on how & why the dogs hit in the A’s backyard. Makes more sense than any other theory I’ve read yet on the K9 yard hits – starts at post #507:
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69807&page=21

    I wish Val would invite BondJamesBond as a guest writer on hinky, too. He & JWG have done some great double-team threads.

  330. Myrtle Beach said, on March 9, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Hi No-Nic. Ya know when I saw that early post of yours, I was going to ask if you 2 are on good terms, but having read and followed the entire thread, it would seem to me that you are and thus, I should mmob. However, I can see where someone would be confused by it-even tho’ this is not the forum for comment other than the topic at hand, some people don’t get it.

  331. Myrtle Beach said, on March 9, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Sterling 1462 ~ I agree with you.
    you’ve summed up the public’s outcry: “I do not like Casey…. she KILLED her daughter!”

  332. No Nic said, on March 9, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Elf,

    I took a little time to do some further study of the brain and its functions particularly with respect to adolescent behavior into the early twenties. In my Anatomy and Physiology classes, we learned the parts of the brain and their cursory functions but not in depth. Not being a Psych major, that is as far as I went.

    For this comment, I paid particular attention to the frontal lobe, which matures last. The frontal lobe is responsible for deductive reasoning in other words; it is the final determiner of what action one might take in a given situation.

    There are two parts of the frontal lobe, the Dorsolateral and the Ventromedial.

    The Dorsolateral deals with the thinking ahead and inhibitions of impulsive responses.

    The Ventromedial deals with regulation of emotions, weighing risks and rewards; learning from experience. In the young, these two are diametrically opposed to each other as the Ventromedial matures faster. It is affected by the endorphins, which will make it stronger in pushing through a riskier activity. It says in effect that I want to go and race my car down the street at 100 mph; so the Dorsolateral being less mature is not able to fight off that impulse therefore a bad decision might be made.

    Now with that information I relate to Casey Anthony. There are life style conditions that impede the growth of the brain particularly of the frontal lobe. It starts in early childhood. Abuse, long periods of inactivity mind numbing repetitious mundane activity, too much sleep amongst a host of others.

    What I see here is and arrested development of Casey’s brain. This could very well have happened to Caylee since she was essentially raised by C&G. From what I see Cindy and George who were both working full time when Casey was young that she did not have enough mental, emotional and physical stimulation to mature and grow. Hence what you have seen relating to Casey’s immaturity. This lack of development IMO is what caused Casey to be a risk taker without realizing nor caring about the consequences since she didn’t know better. Please don’t construe this as me making an excuse or defending her. I am not!

    Statistics show that this no excuse for criminal behavior but only a contributor. This also does not mean that she didn’t know “right from wrong” but with her arrested development her frontal lobe was to weak to fight off the temptations and she went full out till she maxed out and thus we know the rest of the story.

  333. ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    I don’t disagree with any of that. In fact, I can think of several examples that support arrested development – early teens? Casey’s behaviors with Dakota come to mind. Another example would be Casey asking Tracy to wear a watch around her ankle, just like Casey’s ankle monitor – very much like pre-teens dressing alike for the after school dance.

    I’ve always leaned towards Casey having a personality disorder – Narcissistic or Borderline. Do you believe that Casey could be suffering from arrested development and a personality disorder both?

  334. No Nic said, on March 9, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Both; definitely arrested development and secondly and most importantly she is a pathological liar. She lies extremely well in two different ways. Lies of commission and lies of omission. She lies to aggrandize herself because of her extremely low self esteem. This was a learned behavior from early childhood, taught well by mother Cindy. The complexity of a lie is directly proportional to the severity of the offense that is concealed thereby. Once caught in this paradox it is almost impossible to get out of it. Life becomes one lie after another to keep covering the last postulate.

    There is no question that she fits the profile of a narcissist. Narcissism is the habit of always thinking about yourself and admiring yourself. Watching Casey in court alone proves this to say nothing about what she has revealed in all the discovery.

  335. Myrtle Beach said, on March 9, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 4:54 pm: “Do you believe that Casey could be suffering from arrested development and a personality disorder both?”
    YES! Most Definitely!

    I think her parents knew she was “goofey” and they tried to hide it as best they could. Historically, many families have “hidden” a strange family member and I think that’s how they chose to look upon their little girl rather than get her into any treatment. They also acknowledged that Lee suffered depression in his teen years which they attributed to acne medication (rather than get him into proper treatment). Did they fear exposure of the family’s skeletons or secret(s) if their kids had to see shrinks? Hmmm…

  336. Myrtle Beach said, on March 9, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Casey’s immature and childish persona was stunted or repressed at an early age. Maybe that’s part of the reason why Cindy was or appeared to others to be so “controlling” was because she knew Casey needed [constant] supervision. WHY LET SOMEONE like that have custody and control of a baby? I could see being at my wit’s end some days if I were raising a “challenged” child, but I can’t imagine NOT giving that special person EVERY advantage available to them. That is, if I were big enough to recognize and come to terms with having a “challenged” child. The Anthonys seemed to want to run from their problems and/or bury their heads in the proverbial sand, so maybe thta cost them BIG in the long run, who knows???

  337. No Nic said, on March 9, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Now I will turn my attention to Cindy Anthony. She is also a pathological liar and a narcissist. For her I don’t have to explain how and when she has lied, that is well documented as well as her narcissism. Look at the videos particularly when OCSD and the FBI are interviewing her. She continually rubs her legs to draw attention to herself. She does this in my opinion to divert attention from the question to her in essence, “look at my legs, aren’t they great?”

    When you have two identical personalities opposing each other, there is going to be an explosion. June 15th despite what Andrea Lyon believes in the motion is when the bomb exploded in Cindy Anthony and precipitated the events that occurred following that fateful night for Caylee Marie. In my opinion, Cindy Anthony is as responsible for the murder of Caylee as Casey. It could have been prevented, but Cindy is as mentally disconnected as her daughter. Both of them have been cross-wired in their grey matter.

  338. judypc said, on March 9, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    I dare say that no one is surprised that Team Jose’ is now asking tax payers to pay the bills.

    What I would like His Honor to ask is, Jose’ just where did you expect payment to come from in the beginning?

    You have a client that did not work, yet through your own statement defense has been paid over 100 thousand dollars.

    Ms. Lyons say’s she is working for free, yet you file for reimbursement on her behalf.

    Why is it you feel Florida tax payers owe you’re client more than a public defender?

    Perhaps, had the clients family had not been buying boats, 4-wheelers, cruises, diamond studs, tattoos, and other such luxury’s they could have kept their home from foreclosure, and supported their daughters defense, whom they swear they love and support and believe completely.

    What would make me giddy would be for His Honor to say.
    If Ms. Anthony is indigent then the court will as prescribed by law provide a public defender, you have 48 hours to turn over all evidence to the public defenders office.
    Court adjourned, the gavel hits, the judge stands and leaves the bench.

    NOW, THAT I would gladly pay for in full!!

  339. talking2much said, on March 9, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    This is from the clerks site, does anyone know what this means??

    03/08/2010 Affidavit of Insolvency/Indigency
    Found not Indigent

    03/08/2010 Affidavit of Insolvency/Indigency
    Amended as to indigency

  340. No Nic said, on March 9, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    T2M,

    The second one is an amendment to the first to say Found Indigent. As per Baez’ usual level of competency, he didn’t proof read the first affidavit. Betcha someone in the office is without gainful employment today.

  341. No Nic said, on March 9, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    I also meant to add that on the clerks record, they don’t publish the decision of the Judge for an affidavit or motion.

  342. Bees Knees said, on March 9, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    I just heard that Strickland is allowing Casey to be indigent. I’m not surprised, but disappointed, I guess. But somewhere over the past few days I read that if she was declared indigent the Defense would be under the microscope for the rest of the case, so if that’s true, it’s good.

  343. talking2much said, on March 9, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    No Nic

    I was wondering if it ment the State will not pay to reimburse for legal fees to date, but she is now able to recieve state assitance from now on.

  344. dondi said, on March 9, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Scotswoman, one other possible reference to the driveway fight is when Casey messages Troy saying she has not been home for 9 days due to DRAMMMA.

  345. Scotswoman said, on March 9, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    dondi said, on March 9, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Scotswoman, one other possible reference to the driveway fight is when Casey messages Troy saying she has not been home for 9 days due to DRAMMMA.

    —————————————-

    Thanks for that reminder Dondi

    That’s a good point.

    I will factor that in……..My mind is not set on any one theory.

    I just imagine if Cindy had almost choked her that night she might have mentioned it to Tony, whom she was still talking to on the phonel after 3.00am in the morning.

    This girl seemed to have no problem portraying her family in a bad light, even to the point of suggesting sexual deviancy.

    I imagine any opportunity for attention or sympathy wouldn’t be missed by Miss Anthony.

  346. frankie said, on March 9, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Evidently from the AL motion she has no one she cares about. cindy is without a doubt one of the most…no THE most obnoxious woman on the planet. However, if we believe her frequent claims that she was not worried about Caylee because she was with her mother, then finds out her mother does NOT know where she is and the car reeks of decomp….well, a normal person would think this was an emergent situation. By ms lying’s logic, no 911 call should be admitted because the person is already dead and there is no longer an emergency? I really think JS is a bit more intelligent than that!

  347. frankie said, on March 9, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    As someone on OS just posted…the anthonys have just received official confirmation that they are indeed poor white trash. :) Karma…it is a b!

  348. No Nic said, on March 9, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    WDBO Local News
    Public may be forced to pay for Casey Anthony’s defense

    Funding for the indigent Casey Anthony is dubious.

    “It’s been in trouble,” said Wesley. “It was depleted this year, and they have sought to replenish it from the accounts of the established government law offices.”

    Wesley wouldn’t discuss Casey’s case specifically but says trials set for May face some special challenges with funding because the fiscal year is nearly over by then.

    “Currently, we’re having to stall cases and not try them until July because we’re out of money,” said Wesley.

    The trial for Casey Anthony could be delayed for some time I would imagine since the costs for high profile trials and especially this one are much higher. I wonder how many will still be here when the trial eventually begins. I hope I am not pushing up Daisies by then.

    http://wdbo.com/localnews/2010/03/public-may-be-forced-to-pay-fo.html

  349. Thinker Belle said, on March 10, 2010 at 12:03 am

    So, does this mean KC isn’t the only criminal in Orlando? Or, at least the only one that’s been declared indigent?

  350. frankie said, on March 10, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Nah…casey isn’t the only indigent in Orange county she is just one of the most hated. the anthony family is so disgusting that people despise them. Most people haven’t forgotten how hateful cindy and george were to those trying desperately to find Caylee while they sat on their arzes and did nothing. casey was too busy ^5 her big bro lee thinking she had gotten by with her lies. They allowed the many scavengers in the Florida wild to rip a tiny child’s body apart while she rotted in the woods and this skanky bunch did nothing and hindered LE with their lies.

  351. frankie said, on March 10, 2010 at 9:16 am

    As much as some choose to believe mob mentality reigns and the anthonys are being maligned, it simply is not true.

  352. frankie said, on March 10, 2010 at 9:33 am

    If the detective in the oj case was punished for saying the n word in the past…why isn’t AL at least getting some sort of feedback for her comments????? That should be brought out at trial to show her true nature. The jury should hear that!

  353. craigatwftv said, on March 10, 2010 at 9:38 am

    Prepare for disappointment… the evidence released today involves proprietary software so that means we won’t be able to post it. BUT, you wouldn’t want to bother. What few files would actually open are charts that would require an expert to read and nothing is labeled. Most of the files won’t even open, despite using the supplied software. WFTV sources have said the State Attorney’s Office and defense have also had problems accessing the information. We posted an example of one of the few files we could actually open here: http://www.wftv.com/news/22794649/detail.html

  354. frankie said, on March 10, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Thanks Craig!

  355. testme said, on March 10, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Thank you Craig

  356. FRG said, on March 10, 2010 at 10:04 am

    Mr. Craig,
    Thank you very much!!!

  357. ThoughtElf said, on March 10, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    Thanks Craig.

    Are there any new interviews on the 10th disc?

  358. Hazaka said, on March 10, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Just a reminder to those who may be outraged that the “state” will pay for Casey’s counsel………….. words of the Miranda Warning to which we are all eligible…..

    “…You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to speak to an attorney, and to have an attorney present during any questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be provided for you at government expense.”

  359. frankie said, on March 10, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Not outraged that the State is furnishing an attorney at all….I just don’t think bozo should be paid anymore than a PD. I also believe that we have perfectly capable experts in this state rather than paying exorbitant expenses for andrea lyons.

  360. Hazaka said, on March 10, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    But frankie…. do we know how much each will be paid?

  361. judypc said, on March 10, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    And let’s be honest most indigent people do not get a supposed dream team of lawyers and experts from all over the world on the states dime.

    They get an over worked PD that has to juggle many- many client’s.

    I do not becrudge anyone their right to a lawyer, BUT Jose’ & Lyons jummped on this sinking ship with full knowledge, and have already per their own statements have in pocket over a hundred thousand dollars.

    IF they believe so strongly in their client, and the case they have built then they should go the rest of the trial for free.

    No PD has ever cashed a check for a hundred grand for defending an indigent client I promise you that in spades.

  362. No Nic said, on March 10, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Haz,

    I guess that those who are outraged think that the suspect Anthony doesn’t deserve the protection that all of us are entitled to under the Sixth Amendment to Our Constitution. Nowhere do I see where it says who that counsel has to be whether selected by the Court or selected by the defendant. As far as I am concerned, I am happy to pay taxes to prosecute those who would kill an innocent child. I am not concerned that those taxes also go to defend someone. Everyone of us have a right to representation no matter who it is. In some cases, these taxes are also spent to exonerate someone who is finally determined to be not guilty. I doubt the latter is the case with Casey Anthony but she does have the same rights as you, I and everyone who is outraged by this. Perish the thought we find ourselves in the same situation.

    Sixth Amendment Right
    In 1961, the Court extended the rule that applied in federal courts to state courts. It held in Hamilton v. Alabama, 368 U.S. 52 (1961), that counsel had to be provided at no expense to defendants in capital cases when they so requested, even if there was no “ignorance, feeble mindedness, illiteracy, or the like.” Gideon v. Wainwright, 372 U.S. 335 (1963), explicitly overruled Betts v. Brady, finding counsel must be provided to indigent defendants in all felony cases, whether capital or otherwise. Argersinger v. Hamlin, 407 U.S. 25 (1972), and Scott v. Illinois, 440 U.S. 367 (1979), expanded the right further, guaranteeing counsel in any charge resulting in a sentence of actual imprisonment.

  363. No Nic said, on March 10, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Why is everyone hung up with the hundred thousand dollars. This trial is going to cost well over a million once it is said and done and that is not to mention an appeal. It is a drop in the bucket compared to what it will cost. Most folks are grousing because they hate the defense attorneys involved and the way they have acted. Were it two unknown non media whores, no one would be complaining. Time to get over that aspect and concentrate on the evidence that will put Casey away one way or the other. Too much invested now by the Pros and the Def to turn back the clock a year and nine months. Git er dun Judge Strickland no matter what the cost.

  364. frankie said, on March 10, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    haz: Nope…don’t have a clue what they will be paid. I stated my opinion that bozo should not be paid more than a DP. Period. The State must provide adequate counsel and I have never disputed that right. I happen to know that the State does have good PDs who are more than capable of defending casey and I do not think it is the States responsibility to allow bozo to demand an exorbitant fee simply because casey wants him as her attorney. To prevent such an occurrence, her choice should be bozo, if he agrees to the State PD rates, or a PD. If bozo defends her at his going rate and subsequently profits from a book or movie, he should have to reimburse the state. I also think there are experts in the state who could do virtually the same work that AL does and those people should be employed thereby eliminating the first class travel and accommodations expenses afforded to AL.

    Further, casey did profit from the sale of pictures of Caylee since they rightfully belonged to her, and those monies should be fully accounted for if they were used in her defense prior to determination of her indigence. If she gave the money to her parents, fine and dandy, but if bozo blew it on crab puffs and NY visits, he should be forced to replenish his clients funds for her defense.

    It is naive at best to think that the good citizens of the State of Florida should not rightfully be livid at the mere suggestions of misfeasance since they are now being asked to pay for the defense of felon anthony.

  365. ThoughtElf said, on March 10, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but my general concern is of a broader nature, and might not be popular here on a media site. ;>

    Current federal & state laws support do what they can to support amendments with various overlaps – and loopholes. In this specific case, we see how a suspect has benefited by selling licensing rights to MSM AND by now relying upon their equal right to publicly funded counsel. There is a built-in dichotmoy.

    Generic bitching or lack of understanding won’t change in this case, or in any other case, until some of the laws change – i.e. Son of Sam Law.

  366. No Nic said, on March 10, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    I don’t see a dichotomy at all. If by selling pictures etc, and in effect paid for the defense up to this point, the State of Florida didn’t have to pick up portion of that cost. It is my understanding that the Son of Sam Law was initiated to prevent a convicted felon from profiting from his offense. That being said, at the time of Caylee’s murder, Casey was not a convicted felon nor was she when she sold the photos etc. to the media. However, it must be noted that the Son of Sam Law has been overturned over 40 times under the 1st Amendment protection. Until the Son of Sam Law is revised and made less vulnerable especially in the State of Florida, I believe it is moot in this case.

    Adopted in New York State in 1977 as a response to the public outrage over profits made by convicted serial killer David Berkowitz (also known as “Son of Sam”) for selling his story to a publishing house, this law required publishers to deposit money owed to persons either convicted of a crime or who confessed to having committed a crime in a fund used to compensate their victims. In Simon and Schuster, Inc. v. Members of the New York State Victims Board (1991), the Supreme Court struck down the New York law because it violated the First Amendment.

  367. craigatwftv said, on March 10, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    ThoughtElf, nothing but the wacky files.

  368. BB said, on March 10, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Since these cases are both in Florida, are Ron and Misty Cummings declared indigent yet?
    Or will they wait 2 years. It looks like this state is going to have a lot of expense defending baby killers should Haleigh be found deceased. I just wonder what the difference is if any.

  369. ThoughtElf said, on March 10, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Thanks Craig.

    I thought we were supposed to see Yuri’s interviews with TES volunteers & Tim in this batch, too? Either way, nothing game-changing.

    Kudos to the crew, btw. I’m sure it is very difficult to contemplate the delayed discovery investigation on your end, too. ;>

  370. ThoughtElf said, on March 10, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Thanks, Nic. I’ve researched the SoS laws in many states, so I feel I have a fairly reasonable understanding of it, and appreciate your additional thoughts.

    I didn’t express myself well enough in my previous post. Unfortunately, I don’t have time at the moment to expand much further than this – and these aren’t my beliefs, but I can see many people thinking this way:

    If you are charged with a felony crime, you either make no $ off of selling rights to MSM -> and rely upon a PD or your own resources OR you make money from MSM in relation to the crime > and get no public funding.

    Not saying I agree either way, just offering up some suggestions as to the current out-cry ‘ignoring’ the 6th.

    Back later, but don’t you wonder how much of the Balloon Boy’s parent’s defense was funded by CNN?

  371. amazed said, on March 10, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    @ NoNic,

    Casey Anthony is of course entitled to her right to free counsel as an indigent, just as you or I would be. However don’t fool yourself for a minute thinking that we could go through the yellow pages of star defense attorneys and pick out Mark Geragos, or Joe Tacopino, or any other highly paid high profile lawyer, and THAT is exactly what Ms. Anthony should also be entitled to, an appointed attorney from the PD office, and not a bit more. Maybe if everyone who is so concerned about her right to the top shelf of everything in life,started to worry more about the rights of the victims instead, this country could take the first step in the right direction.

  372. ThoughtElf said, on March 10, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Another quick scenario:

    What if Caylee had been an 18 y/o girl? Should her family still have had the rights to sell their pictures & videos of her? Should there be a law stating that no one has the right to sell another’s likeness or image without explicit consent – especially if the image includes a minor? What if the minor is the victim of homicide? Should there be laws that allow surviving victims to have the right to demand that no monies made from their images be used towards a charged suspect’s defense?

    Most importantly, should all minor victims have a Guardian Ad Litem in cases like Caylee’s, Haleigh’s, and too many others to count?

    (I’m not talking Big Brother censorship – just noting that there are too many overlaps in which Amendment takes priority over another at any given time, when any law is applied.)

    I believe many people who are upset about the public-funded right to counsel in this instance are likely more upset about the other financial aspects of the case, whether that’s what gets written, or not.

    I should go on record here that as a Canadian, I rarely ever pipe up about US policies, politics or law, and when I do, I certainly don’t mean to offend. I hope it simply comes across as general discussion – in relation to Caylee’s case. I do the same research you guys do. ;>

    Smack away at will if you find that to be rude and I’ll butt out on those discussions.

  373. amazed said, on March 10, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    @ Thougthelf, I agree with you totally no matter where you come from. lol. Seriously the laws in this country should be changed to where they actually do protect the innocent. DNA has made it almost impossible to put an innocent person on death row.

    Also, there should be a law wherein no family member can make money off the death of a child, especially to use it to defend the killer of that child. That is where the hatred for this family comes in.

  374. No Nic said, on March 10, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Elf,

    In the spirit that the Son of Sam Law was written, it was intended that any monies received by the convicted felon was to be distributed to the victims and or survivors. In this case as I stated above at the time that Casey sold those pictures, she was only charged with the crime. Some States tried unsuccessfully to include anyone that was charged in the SOS Law but that was overturned as well including Florida I believe.

    Now you can’t appoint a guardian ad litum for a child that is dead. The prosecution assumes that role as the advocate for her. Since it is not known as far as I know, Haleigh is not known to be deceased. I don’t know what a GAL could do for her at this point.

    As far as the financial aspects of this case I addressed that above. Frankly I think people should get over it. It is what it is and ain’t gonna change.

    Now as far as being Canadian and interjecting your opinions here, as far as I am concerned, you are as welcome as an angel. I have read quite a few of your writings outside of this blog and you are one smart cookie brown eyes. So keep on keeping on, I love the discourse.

  375. ThoughtElf said, on March 10, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    @Amazed.

    Agree on all points. I’d like to see those laws universally, but I’m an optimist.

    (I should add that having worked for the US Branch of an International firm for 10 years, I’ve possibly traveled more extensively throughout the US than many readers here. I know darn well I have likely spent way more time sitting waiting for delays at O’Hare airport than I’d wish upon any of my US co-workers, clients, & friends. I love my own country & critique our laws, too, but I was also born with a love of really spicy cornbread – which you can’t get up here. Does that count? I bring Jiffy mix back every time and have it shipped up when I run out.)

    I think concern of victim’s rights, fairness in laws and concern over the impact of big $ gains from crime is not at all a national issue, as it is a human issue.

  376. ThoughtElf said, on March 10, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Why thanks, Nic.

    I hate that I really do have to light a rocket under myself now and go do some real work. I really appreciate that.

    (And I’ll be wondering about which & where you’ve nailed me. LOL!)

  377. humbleopinion said, on March 10, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Bill,

    Isn’t the money going into Casey’s snack and jail account considered income? It was said that the d-team will get this money…it happens all the time in Florida! Boy those tax payers are paying for alot of murderers cases!

  378. No Nic said, on March 10, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    ThoughtElf said, on March 10, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Ahhh, the breadcrumbs one leaves that lead to Cambridge. Give a big hug to Alaily, Conner and Christopher. Don’t you just love social media? I would, if I knew what y’all were talking about. Those concepts make my head spin. :smile:

  379. Kelly Craft said, on March 10, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    Lost me on the kidlets, but otherwise, kudos. My dream career change would be a transition to a role in social media. If you ever wish to discuss off line from this blog, I’m sure you’ve turned up multiple alternate access points for contact on the way to Cambridge. Feel free to indulge any time you wish. :) (Your avatar brings to mind an old chum, sadly missed.)

    Back on topic:

    Again, I failed to adequately flesh out my previous thoughts as I was in a rush at the time.

    You’re correct on the Guardian Ad Litem. I’m of the belief that there should be a legal entity like a Guardian Ad Litem that is assigned immediately upon a child being reported missing for longer than 24 hours. As you noted in Haleigh’s case, none has been appointed, yet neither has a prosecutor as no charges have been laid.

    An ideal circumstance would have the assignation of a trustee/guardian to protect the child’s interests in all arenas, not just court proceedings. (i.e. media licensing sales, interviews, etc.) Parents, families, outsiders all have sound bites and their voices are heard. This guardian role might also be the missing child’s PR voice. Someone that speaks for the child – and only the child – at all times. Objective, emotionally detached from family functions (& dysfunctions). Too often we are seeing the ‘players’ notoriety supersede what is genuinely best for the minor victims – whether they are alive or deceased.

    This is just a 50,000′ view of questions that have resulted from cases like this. I’ve yet to find a blog devoted to discussion about specific changes, but I’d like to see one filled with debate and collaborative thinking on issues like this.

  380. No Nic said, on March 10, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    I won’t languish on an obvious oops moment unless it was done on purpose ^. While I believe that you have a lofty purpose in mind, I believe it would take a great deal of legislation to remove the parental right before or after death to achieve what you are alluding to. In this case, I can see that if it could be proven in a hearing of some type that Caylee was abused or neglected prior to death I don’t see a GAL as an option. I’d have to do some serious research on the constitutionality of taking those rights away from a parent.

    I would suppose that it might be somewhat discriminatory to a parent that is not involved in the crime. Therein lies the conundrum I do believe Ms Christie. – HP

  381. Kelly Craft said, on March 10, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    Hail fellow, well met!

    Exactly why I would wish to see much discussion on this. In hindsight, I realize how subjective my thinking was, as I was thinking mostly about cases like Caylee & Haleigh, and not about the Lunsford & Holloway cases. Point well taken.

    I withdraw to reconsider.

  382. thoughtelf said, on March 10, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Indigency hearing set for Thursday, March 18, 11:00 EST.

  383. ellejay said, on March 11, 2010 at 3:57 am

    Scotswoman said, on March 9, 2010 at 5:17 am Elf Judy

    Another thing that bothered me was Shirley Plesea NOT mentioning to police that on Father’s day, she and Cindy had talked about Casey’s stealing of the cheque in April. I rightly or wrongly got the impression that Cindy knew long before 15th June that Casey had stolen from her grandfather’s account.

    ————————–
    i haven’t read the whole thread, but shirley DID mention the stolen check(S) in her interviews with LE.

    http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5042392/Shirley-Plesea-Interview ( page 10 , and on.)

    she said that it happened “late may-early april” , she talked to cindy about it ( right then ), and then emailed kc about it.
    kc emailed back ‘” dear grandma, i’m sorry——i’ll come down and do some cleaning for you”…
    shirley emailed back that she didn’t want to see kc there at all.

  384. jmlm said, on March 11, 2010 at 9:54 am

    NoNic I have read all your posts. 1st thinking for everyone on here is impossiable and should not be done. No person knows what another is feeling deep in their souls on this issue. EVERYONE agrees the scumbag kc deserves a fair trial. NOBODY wants to see her get off. But all of FL wants it done right the 1st time. And Bozo and Broomhilda have been dragging their feet for a year! Now that Judge Stan has set time limits look at them move. 8 Interviews this week alone of police officers and other other levels of officers(det, invest, etc). Why couldn’t they have started this process a year ago? Now on a deadline they are moving! What us taxpayers do not want to see is a waste of money thrown at the DUHfense. Each lawyer if not already paid is entitled to 15,000.00 per FL law. Each witness 100.00 an hour and each expert 150.00 an hour. What kind of expert do you think a chump $150.00 will get? Not Henry Lee! As he says he won’t get out of bed for less than $350,000.00. That speaks volumes on expert fees that kc will not get. Why do you think Henry Lee only came to FL once? NO MONEY! And he helped the state by showing them things in the trunk he had seen there by helping the state. The duhfense will never get an expert to match DR. G! She is tops in her field. $150.00 an hour will not bring her brains to kc’s team. The problem that lies here in is that bozo received 90.000.00 and pro bono Broomhilda 24,000.00. Pro Bono means FREE not except 24,000.00. I see a problem here. Broomhilda being pro bono should give back every penny to the duhfense. She wanted this case and got it and for FREE. Sure they will get the states money thats a given. But what pisses everyone off is the Scamthony’s are living the “good life” on blood money of a child, their grandchild! Lets sell pictures and hey then we can take a cruise, get a facelft, get tattoos etc but we will let the house go back so Zanny gets nothing! The scamthony’s are fooling nobody! They are all liars and they taught kc very well. We the People want Justice for this innocent child even if wwe have to pay for it. But we want a limit on that amount. The justice system in Tallahassee makes the final say so on who they can hire and who will be paid and they are very strick and very tight with the pocketbook. So “millons” will not be poured into this case. FL won’t allow it. The fund in FL is for all residents of FL who need a PD and not just kc. Bozo and his stupid motions MUST stop. Wasting all this money and court time is coming to the end of the road for the DUHfense and Tallahassee will see to that. Such as this new motion to throw out the photo’s: Never going to happen it shows kc sad and missing and looking for Caylee…….NOT. It will come in. The 911 tape is public record it will come in. If a statement was made in an interview with police by more than 1 witness (which they were) it will come in. Her being a convicted felon WILL come in. It shows she is a liar, cheat and only cares about herself! George and Cindy both stated under oath they know the smell of decomp! In the fields they are in yes they do it will come into evidence. Point being the stupid motions have to stop. And We all can’t wait to hear where the money came from which Bozo will have to now tell on 3/18 in court to Judge Strickland. And We the People also feel bozo had been up to some very questionable deeds. And if the Duhfense was so worried about tainting a jury then they all should have stayed off TV! They are the only ones tainting the jury. I have never seen 1 SA on tv giving an interview. Why do you suppose that is? So as to NOT taint a jury. Give her a fair trial yes but not break the bank of FL so others get no defense because of her.

  385. No Nic said, on March 11, 2010 at 10:02 am

    Layla Grace, the two year old little girl, who captured the hearts of tens of thousands of Twitter users has passed away. The toddler, known as @LaylaGrace, died this morning after battling stage 4 high risk neuroblastoma. Not surprisingly, her parents, who’ve tracked her progress and shared her courageous fight against cancer, on the social networking site, shared the sad news with fans. “Layla went to play with the angels early this morning. Rest in peace precious Layla. 11/26/2007 – 3/9/2010.”

    http://www.examiner.com/x-30706-Suddenly-Famous-Examiner~y2010m3d9-RIP-Layla-Grace-Cancerstricken-toddler-who-gained-fame-on-Twitter-passes-away

    Over 42,000 followed this story on Twitter @LaylaGrace. It is the third highest story followed there. This is a very sad story but to put it into perspective and read about it, it shows how the parents of this child did everything they could to save, comfort and protect her. I wish I could say the same about the Anthony family. Caylee didn’t have to die except for two grandparents who couldn’t pull their head out of the sand long enough to see and understand what was going on.

    RIP Layla Grace

    http://laylagrace.org/

    http://twitter.com/LaylaGrace

  386. No Nic said, on March 11, 2010 at 10:31 am

    jmlm said, on March 11, 2010 at 9:54 am

    “NoNic I have read all your posts. 1st thinking for everyone on here is impossiable and should not be done.”
    ======

    jmlm, I hope the helium that you inhaled before your rant hasn’t rearranged your synapses permanently. Let me just say that I DO NOT speak for anyone on this blog. My thoughts are my own, accepted by some and rejected by others. If my comments offend your sensibilities, then so be it. “What we’ve got here, is failure to communicate.” – (Cool Hand Luke) You have the option of scrolling right on by. Now you have a wonderful day.

  387. No Nic said, on March 11, 2010 at 11:49 am

    jmlm said, on March 11, 2010 at 9:54 am

    “The duhfense will never get an expert to match DR. G! She is tops in her field. $150.00 an hour will not bring her brains to kc’s team.”
    ===========

    Dr. Garavaglia can’t be an expert for the KC’s DEFENSE team. Dr. Jan Garavaglia, is a Medical Examiner with Florida’s District Nine Medical Examiner’s office in Orlando, Florida. She is an employee of Orange County, FL. However, she will be a very credible expert for the PROSECUTION.

  388. Hazaka said, on March 11, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    jmlm said, on March 11, 2010 at 9:54 am ——————–

    —————————————
    Are you an attorney?

  389. No Nic said, on March 11, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Haz,

    Surely you jest!! :wink:

  390. Hazaka said, on March 11, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    No Nic said, on March 11, 2010 at 12:11 pm
    —————————————————————-
    ABSOLUTELY ……… you are correct ——————
    jmlm is way to presumptuous …… and off track :-)

  391. Hazaka said, on March 11, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    No Nic ——————–

    it is quite irksome when folks use pejorative terms —use derogatory terms to reference the DEFENSE, AN ATTORNEY , AND NAME CALLING ….. especially on a blog authorized by an attorney — and seemingly know everything —– that’s why when that blogger indicated “what will be” and “what is” … I had to ask that question….. : -)

  392. dondi said, on March 11, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    My thoughts are my own, accepted by some and rejected by others.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    hell ya. i’m a loose cannon and i’ll get to the bottom of this thing my way!
    xoxo @ nonic

  393. Hazaka said, on March 11, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    dondi said, on March 11, 2010 at 1:11 pm
    My thoughts are my own, accepted by some and rejected by others.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    hell ya. i’m a loose cannon and i’ll get to the bottom of this thing my way!
    xoxo @ nonic
    ———————————————-
    Amen to that!!! :-)

  394. Jan said, on March 11, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Mr Bill, I hope this finds you doing well. I have a few questions.An thank you again for anwsering my last two. I respect your expert OP,an what you know as law.

    When a person has a record expunged. Is that case paper work distroyed ?

    If not, If a Judge so desired to open it up due to another case. Could the Judge make the request, an that file be turned over to him /her.

    Thanks for anwsering my other questions.So if you get around to it, being you have many questions to anwser. I would like to find out about these questions asked. As always i love keeping up on what you have to say about this case ,an the laws.

    Yours truly
    Jan

  395. susan said, on March 11, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    jmlm I hope you send a copy of that to JS. A lot of people agree with all that you said but there will always be some that think their opinion is the only one that matters. Those of us that are more mature dont agree. thanks for taking the time to post your thoughtful comment.

  396. susan said, on March 11, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    also I have no respect for Baez so it is appropriate for me to call him Bozo. In this world we are all entitled t our opinions so you can call him whatever you want and so can I. see how that works?

  397. ThoughtElf said, on March 11, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Wait, what?

    You mean I am not the most mature person here? I thought for sure I was the Old Lady of the bunch. I certainly feel as if I’ve aged several decades since July 15, 2008 – Day 1, I mean.

    Or is that 31?

    Heck, must be the Old Timer’s senility kicking in.

    What were we talking about again? I can’t remember a darn thing in my advanced state of maturity.

  398. No Nic said, on March 11, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Which Way Do You Want It?

    It is quite something that some people complain that there is no equal justice in this country. That someone who is indigent can’t get a fair trial because they cannot afford a high dollar defense. Then you have the wealthy, who can. Well, you can’t have it both ways. Now there is outrage about Casey Anthony having her Constitutional right to have every opportunity to defend herself because it is going to cost the taxpayers of Florida.

    I guess in essence because someone is indigent he/she doesn’t deserve every resource possible to defend themselves. So only the rich can worm their way out of trouble with the law. Well it would seem that way but Michael Vick is in Jail. What did his money for the High Dollar Attorneys get him? Phil Sepctor is sitting in Jail, what did his riches get him? Then you have the case of the poor black man who sat in Jail for 26 years (while being innocent); because one of these High Dollar Attorneys valued her Law Degree more than doing the righteous thing. Ironically this High Dollar Attorney is the one and only Andrea Lyon and most have seen in her video conference, the disdain she has for the System, Judges and her fellow Attorneys. And btw, Ms Lyon is working Pro Bono, so what is the beef with her defending Casey.

    I see all over the Net folks spewing their outrage, when if the situation were reversed they would be the ones who would be screaming I CAN’T GET A FAIR TRIAL IN AMERICA, because I can’t afford it. Florida has an extremely high rate of violent crime by indigent defendants. Of course the purse is empty! Does that mean they shouldn’t appropriate the funds to continue to be able to afford at the very least a reasonable defense for these indigents. You would be screaming like hell if one of them were your child or relative. I guess maybe some just want the system to either stick a needle in her arm right now and not have a trial or just pat her on the head and let her go home. And, I don’t want to hear about how the 200K was spent. I am sure there will be an accounting of that and if there were nefarious things done with that money, it will be dealt with.

    “Which way do you want it?”

  399. dondi said, on March 11, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    actually vick just won an award for ‘courage’. don’t get me started.

  400. judypc said, on March 11, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    I think what rattles me the most is the timing of this motion to declare Casey indigent, it would not have come as a surprise, or been out of question had it been done at the offset of the case.
    But Jose’ declared more than once it was not considered necessary.

    It was public knowledge that she was unemployed and had been for some time, to come now seems to say they wanted to be sure the money well had been completely tapped out.

    Jose’ brought in these high profile experts knowing that there was no money to pay them, they jumped onboard quickly riding the tide of publicity, we still do not know the totality of the closed door deals, who came away with book deals, will we see an episode of Bones where they find a missing child’s body?

    If Jose’ made certain promise’s on Casey’s behalf to these people in return for their testimonies’ then sobeit, but that should be disclosed to the court, because it would be considered paid fees, and as such their compensation has already been applied.

    I have no problem with the defense being paid by the state, if their fees are only equal to what any other client in Florida would receive, Casey deserves no less, and no more.
    If the lawyers wish to accept that and stay on board then fine, but they should be prepared to pick up the excess expense on their own.

    I think to pronounce that everyone simply dislikes Casey and does not want to see a fair hand applied is disingenuous, yes she is not someone most feel sorry for, yes it can be said that most feel less than friendly toward the defense team as a result of some of their actions.

    That still does not say we that question do not have judicial fairness in mind.
    I for one would like to see one trial, and only one trial where Ms Anthony is concerned.

    I do however see in the not so distant future a client walking into a Florida court and demanding to have Skip Brittenham or Jacob Bloom defend them and using the Anthony case as their reference to the right to a high profile attorney rather than someone in the PD office.

  401. ThoughtElf said, on March 11, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Folks, If you want to read some truly powerful pieces of the time line & evidence put together well, I’d suggest this as a MUST READ tonight (read thread from beginning to end.) Many of these folks contribute to theories on Hinky Meter, too, but the work done today is quite insanely good.

    Amongst other discoveries, they’ve pretty much proven KC went back to where she dumped Caylee – between 4-5:00 a.m. on July 2nd – the day before Cindy wrote her “My Caylee is Missing” post.

    And they’re gaining ground on the theory that KC did indeed try to frame Jesse.

    Best detailed sleuthing I’ve read about the case in a long time.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95046&page=1

  402. ThoughtElf said, on March 11, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Craig!

    I’d pass that link I posted above on to Kathi – might be a very useful thing for her to have bookmarked someday. And damn good reading now.

  403. Diana said, on March 11, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    Wow.
    Thanks for the link *ThoughtElf. looks like someone has done their homework. I can’t recall though, if they asked Cindy in her deposition if she TRIED to call that number for Zanny. I remember her saying she gave it to LE.

  404. ellejay said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:37 am

    No Nic said, on March 10, 2010 at 2:06 pm Why is everyone hung up with the hundred thousand dollars. This trial is going to cost well over a million once it is said and done and that is not to mention an appeal. It is a drop in the bucket compared to what it will cost. Most folks are grousing because they hate the defense attorneys involved and the way they have acted. Were it two unknown non media whores, no one would be complaining. Time to get over that aspect and concentrate on the evidence that will put Casey away one way or the other. Too much invested now by the Pros and the Def to turn back the clock a year and nine months. Git er dun Judge Strickland no matter what the cost.

    ****************************************************************

    ..yep, 110 grand , or so, for baez, over the last 20 months= 4500.00/month——NOT a heck of a lot for a lawfirm, his fees, staff, overhead etc…

    ..every DAY “criminals” claim indigent status and are appointed public defenders ( paid for by the state) and these ARE real lawyers by the way.

    ..every DAY the state prosecutes criminals, like casey, to the tune of MILLIONS per year—-ALL done with taxpayer dollars.

    ..a lot of people are saying that baez & co. are “dragging their heels” ( true! ) while the state is moving forward, getting the evidence, their depos done ( true again! ) —–but the state is doing it with whose money ??? tax dollars! ( their only source of payment).

    ..yes, kc will be declared indigent, and the state will pick up costs for her defense——-happens every day———nancy grace just doesn’t report on it.( unless you’re a spiteful b*tch that murdered your child).

    ..judgeS will rule next week, (march 18) on the ins and outs of costs , lawyers will surely be working pro-bono ( like they care, they can’t wait for the case to end so they can write a book——or in jose’s case, be the talking legal “expert” on geraldo).

    ..i do laugh when i hear of kc’s lawyers referred to as the “dream team”——in whose dream is that? baez and lyon? they’re a nightmare so far..

  405. ellejay said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:59 am

    ..i read on the hinky meter today——-judges and lawyers DO have a back door exit from the court house——out the door, in their car, and gone.

    ..so, why do jose & co. continue to walk out the front, straight into the cameras? ( even though their latest ( ridiculous) motion has been shot down?

    ..think back to 2007——when caylee was alive and well——-does anyone remember knowing the name jose baez back then ?

  406. dondi said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:29 am

    Amongst other discoveries, they’ve pretty much proven KC went back

    pretty much proven jack. what a circle jerk.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ” pinged ‘somewhere nearby’ ”

    cell phone tracking by ping puts Casey anywhere from several hundred yards to miles from the location of the remains.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Cindy calling the bogus Zanny number between 911 calls?
    ‘pretty much proves’?
    when you’ve lost something what do you do? keep returning to the place where you think you last put it over and over again even though you know its not there because you’ve already searched the spot many times.
    same here. gave the number another try in a moment of epic stress.
    maybe to drive home the point, ‘i JUST tried that number you gave me for Zanni again, its BS!’
    did laundry?
    took showers at boyfriend’s houses?
    BFD.
    ever been ‘on the road’?
    (Casey was dodging her family, sleeping on couches and homeless.)
    what do you need more than anything else? clean clothes and a clean bathroom.
    her pings show her driving aimlessly, she had no where to go.
    she got a manicure to destroy ‘evidence’ under her nails?
    how about she got a manicure because she was enjoying spending money on herself on clothing, tatoo etc and wanted to ‘look good’.
    handwashing is an archtypal psychological manifestation of guilt. ie Lady MacBeth ‘out damn spot’.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~
    the only thing ‘pretty much proved’ is:
    that whole henhouse needs to wean off their meds
    and i just wasted 15 minutes reading that ‘sleuthy group hot flash’.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    “the work done today is quite insanely good.”
    insanely being the key word.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ‘work’
    get a grip. are you in any way shape or form qualified or reimbursed for this nonsense?
    then guess what?
    that ‘pretty much proves’ its a private (unhealthy) obsession and delusional to call ‘work’. sorta like Casey saying she was ‘working’ on her mother’s laptop when she was tweaking her facebook page.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~
    i’ll check back later to see if you ‘pretty much prove’ me wrong.
    sheeeesh.

  407. Thinker Belle said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:21 am

    I agree, dondi! I clicked on that link and couldn’t interpret proof of anything. Actually, I read it twice as I was tired and thought maybe I had missed something, leaving the site, thinking I’ll look again when I am not tired. Now, you have confirmed my first opinion. Thank you.

  408. dondi said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:30 am

    some of the concepts put forth obviously did take place.
    yes, Casey did have to clean up somewhere.
    we can assume that she did either wash or dispose of any garments that could have come in contact with incriminating evidence.
    we’re talking about a death penalty trial..’pretty much proves it’ aint going to cut it.
    if one is to follow that ‘insane daisy chain’ looking for ‘proof’ of something,
    the only conclusion i could sketchily infer is that Cindy was in a tizzy and didn’t appear to know Caylee’s location.
    btw, i’m not ragging on Elf. just calling for a reality check.
    i hope she will think my points over.

  409. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:32 am

    Read the link that thoughtelf posted ……. didn’t see anything of great insight….what did I miss???

  410. Autumn Leaf said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:48 am

    Appears a lot of thought went into the WS post. Just proves to me though that KC threw another bone to CA, and she caught it…phony phone number just to shut her up for a few more days. Just adds to the list of KC’s bs the pros. most likely had from the beginning of this saga. And another example of CA’s stupidity.

  411. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:57 am

    “but IMO the police likely got confused”

    “I think Cindy did try to call Zanny”

    “and therefore probably knew or suspected”

    “I suppose, the voice mail for JP was really vague”

    “This may have been when Casey”

    “someone called a number from the house”

    “My guess is that, after the June 25 incident”

    “KC may have given Cindy this slightly fake number”

    “She had probably learned not to give a real number”

    “who probably told Cindy “sorry, wrong number”

    “This phone call seems to have triggered all the activity.”

    “Maybe she yelled at KC, “You gave me a fake number for Zanny! I tried it and it didn’t work!” and KC yelled back, “MOM! Why don’t you ever believe me?! That’s Zanny’s number! The guy who answered was obviously Zanny’s boyfriend and he was lying to you because he knows Zanny stole Caylee! Sheesh! Don’t you watch any soap operas??”

    Above from the post by Azlawyer at WS.

    Sorry Elf, the only thing I see here is a lot of IMO’s, probabilities, supposition, guesses, may haves and seems to have. And last but not least the Maybe she yelled at KC.

    Sorry but I think that Azlawyer needs to change her nic. I hope that person is not an attorney because armed with the above she would be laughed out of court. What is hard for me to believe 142 people thanked her for that nonsense including JWG. :roll:

  412. mikka said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:24 am

    anthoys hire laywer,blame the bank

    http://www.clickorlando.com/news/22820117/detail.html

  413. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:33 am

    “George and Cindy Anthony have failed to pay their mortgage for nine straight months, according to records. The couple claims Bank of America failed to notify them of their delinquency as required by federal regulation.

    The Anthonys learned about their home being in foreclosure last month when informed by Local 6 News reporter Mike DeForest.”
    ============

    Who the hell do these people think they are? Their sense of entitlement boggles the mind. What right thinking person does not know they haven’t made their mortgage payment for nine months especially since they had been making it since 1989. To think that it is the mortgage companies fault defies logic. I guess I will stop making my mortgage payment and see if it takes the local news station to notify me that I am delinquent. GMAFB

  414. nom de plume said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:36 am

    Re: Anthonys hire lawyer . . . blame bank.

    That is one hot steamling load! Those people have no shame.

  415. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:46 am

    No Nic —— yikes …. that’s a new one…GMAFB?????????? Give some clues?????

  416. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:49 am

    Give me an f……g break!

  417. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:50 am

    a not an

  418. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:53 am

    No Nic ———– TY :-)

  419. nom de plume said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:56 am

    This mortgage incident brings to mind when they claimed they didn’t get the notice from the tow company for several days.

    I have never been late with a mortgage payment, but recently I used the 15 day grace period. BEFORE my payment was past due, I got a call from Sun Trust!

    It will be interesting to see if the scamthonys get away with this latest ruse.

  420. amazed said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:12 am

    LOL, Nine month, $875.00 not going out of checkbook… who did they think was paying it? The mortgage fairy, or the invisible Nanny, out of guilt of course. Is there a rule that these creatans don’t want bent for them?

  421. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:16 am

    nom de plume said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Not a chance nom, I am sure that BOA is laughing all the way to their attorneys office. Look for the big Red Notice on the front door of 4937 Hopespring Drive by the end of the day and the sign on Georges perfectly manicured lawn in Orlawndo. LOL

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Sign_of_the_Times-Foreclosure.jpg

  422. nom de plume said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:24 am

    No Nic – I SO hope you are right. That would make my day. I am getting a little antsy waiting for their day of reckoning.

    It’s like they stand outside in an electrical storm, look skyward and say “I dare you”.

  423. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:25 am

    And they wonder “WHY” people think they are SCUM?

    Sounds to me like BOA was being very lenient to let them go for 9 months, of course they do not get a thank-you from the Anthony’s, they get a “HOW DARE THEY EXPECT PAYMENT FROM US!! DON’T THEY KNOW WE ARE SPECIAL !!!!”

    And to blame Caylee for their Lack of responsibility, that just takes the cake.

    Guess they will next sue the mortgage fairy for not making their house payments eh?

  424. amazed said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:34 am

    I can’t wait to see how their great defender is going to skewer this around to look for sympathy for these two liars, grifters deadbeats what have you. What will they NOT use that poor dead child for?

  425. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:38 am

    Its all Caylees fault, if she had not died we would not be the low-life scum free-loaders we are.
    And if she had just posed for more pictures we could sell, we would have made our mortgage payments.

    These people have no shame!!

  426. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:43 am

    I wonder what kind of prima facie evidence Conway is going to use to prove that it was the “notoriety of the case and the emotional toll” that caused them to default. They managed to pay the Utilities, apparently when one would normally pay their mortgage. Maybe they thought Lee was making the mortgage payment. Under the bus ya go Lee. Res ipsa loquitur. (“the thing speaks for itself”)

  427. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    My sense is ……. they KNEW they were going into default —- there was some reason ….. but why they did it ….. quien sabe ……………………….

  428. Diana said, on March 12, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    OMG

    Do these two have no shame/pride/accountability at all??? Just when I think their scams are all over…POOF…..they prove me wrong once again.
    Where are getting money for ANOTHER attorney? And they need to add ………”the house Caylee grew up in AND most likely was murdered in as well”. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr. I am so angry after reading that article. This is where Casey gets the sense of entitlement/lying/stealing/ and scamming.

  429. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    quien sabe LOL Haz, I don’t know either and I wouldn’t hazard a guess a to a reason. There is nothing reasonable how the A’s have acted since day 31.

  430. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Oh how right you are Diana, just when we thought the days of “ugly coping” were over it rears it’s ugly coping head once again. I guess that Cindy and George needed a media fix. It must be like a drug to them.

  431. amazed said, on March 12, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    seems to me that they have decided to put BOA in a position of being the big mean bully going after our home at a time like this. It’s absurd to think the BOA never notified them of this, but if on the off chance that did happen, someone should be looking for a new job shortly! To begin with everyone gets a bill every month. What were they doing with it? Now, they want to glean sympathy from the public because of the way everyone feels about the economy . Not going to work Cindy.

  432. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Not going to bother to respond to posts that are niggling over semantics to denigrate some really fine work putting together a great time line for a very specific time period – not worth the effort for those who aren’t looking at the overall worth – in context of all of the events. Had you confined your own analysis to the information discussed, I’d be more interested in really discussing it.

    I will comment on this: I think it is a demonstration of arrogance and really poor taste to bitch about posters on another blog, knowing full well that aren’t here to speak up for themselves.

    JWG has contributed much towards forwarding factual details about the case. As has AZLawyer – a verified lawyer – who has equally contributed much legal knowledge over there and on other sites, like Hinky.

    Bad form. Really bad form, Kids.

  433. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Well now that I have been dutifully reprimanded with the eloquence of the thoughtful one, I will retreat to my respective corner and sulk. Not for long though as I am sure that the aforementioned posters read here as well and can respond in kind if they so choose. It would seem that an opinion is not welcome here. I now retreat and cower in the presence of such authority.

  434. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Let me know when you’re over the pouting phase. We can hug it out and move on to discussing the case – not posters? ;>

  435. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    Sniff sniff sniff, I am not done yet. I heed a hanky and a hug. :wink:

  436. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Ah, Pookie. No reason to send Kleenex stock soaring. But, there will be none of this full-body hugging stuff. How’s about a nice, comforting little shoulder pat? :D

    Back on topic: However did the Anthonys manage to pay their mortgage previously without a regulated reminder from the bank?

  437. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Brown eyes, as old as I am a full body hug wouldn’t be dangerous at all. No shoulder patting for this old duck. It is raining like hell here today and I have……………

    For the Elf

  438. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Elf,

    It has been twenty months that C & G haven’t worked. Preceding that they were in financial difficulties. It would me my guess that BOA is sick and tired of the late and non payment of the mortgage for quite some time. Years maybe. I am sure BOA probably doesn’t want the house back but figure enough is enough. I don’t like to see anyone lose their home but in this case as Rhett Butler said, “Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.”

  439. amazed said, on March 12, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    I personally would like to see them simply get what they deserve. Now THAT would make me happy.

  440. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Nic,

    What lovely selections for today – both in song and quote. It is downcast and drizzly, here, too, and Casey does remind me a little of Scarlet, although she won’t be helping them save Tara, will she?

    I don’t recall off-hand, but how do you know long the Anthony’s let mortgage payments go before they lost their house in Ohio? I doubt it is meaningful, as these circumstances are so different, but it has crossed my mind today that I doubt they got away with blaming the bank back then.

    I was reading early interviews again last, and found something that hadn’t registered earlier: JB called Ryan P and asked him to be a character witness as early as July 18, 2008. Three days after her first arrest. I guess they knew early in the game that she would need character witnesses to mitigate her behaviors while Caylee was missing?

    Rainy day reading: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1080376/Casey-Anthony-documents-released-part-3

    There is a very funny Yuri quote in there if you read carefully.

  441. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Amazed – agree. I just can’t settle on exactly what it is they deserve.

    Being bailed out of foreclosure definitely isn’t on my ‘deserve’ list.

    Side note:

    Nic,

    I think it is a sign of class and maturity to so skillfully diffuse blog BS with a really healthy dose of humour.

    Good form! Really, really good form! :D

    Back later – looking forward to what you all come up with for today’s discussions.

  442. Diana said, on March 12, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Someone will step in from the shadows and bail them out.
    I’m surprised they haven’t turned it into a Floridian Graceland charging fees to take a tour.

    It will all come out, as to why they haven’t been making their mortgage payments. Hmmm…….with these two? It will be “off the wall” for sure.

  443. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Thanks ThoughtElf! That was a great link! God, there are some intelligent people paying attention to this case, aren’t there? Are you aware that Val (at Hinky’s) has added JWG as a regular contributor to her blog? She describes JWG as very special, with awesome investigative skills, tremendous deductive reasoning, and says JWG will bring insight in areas in which she is weak. Good grief! If Hinky’s weak, I shudder to think what that makes me!!!

    Judypc, I think you hit the nail on the head! I don’t think many people begrudge Casey a fair trial, but that should have happened from the start. I’m looking forward to what Strickland is going to say about it.

    Amazed, yes, yes, yes! Let’s hear about the indigent that have big-name lawyers defending them. Snort!!! We simply are not as entitled as the Anthonys, I guess.

  444. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    And, speaking of Val / Hinky, have you read her latest? “A Review of the Submitted Hearsay.”

    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/

  445. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Did I read correctly …….. the Anthony’s have hada previous home forclosed upon????

  446. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Well, I guess it’s not just us bloggers having a hard time accepting the indigent Bull$#%&@! Apparently the State has ‘SEVERE CONCERNS’ about Casey Anthony’s request to be declared indigent.

    http://niecey456.wordpress.com/2010/03/12/indigent-my-backside-more-in-caylees-case/

  447. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Yes Haz, in O HI O.

  448. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Sorry, mikka! I see you’ve already posted the link to the story.

  449. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    No Nic ————— “splain me … how in heaven’s name could they get a BOA mortgage after defaulting on the Ohio home????????

  450. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    I’ve seen a few people on other blogs asking where to email their own opinions about Casey’s indigence. If you are so inclined, here you go: http://www.justiceadmin.org/
    The Sentinel article did mention letters from concerned citizens which kind of sounds like they want to hear from the taxpayers. Or possibly I’m interpreting that incorrectly (wouldn’t be the fist time).

  451. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    George is quoted (either a depo. or a LE interview) “We gave the house back to the bank…” regarding when they lost the Ohio residence. Then they filed bankruptcy to have the debt discharged and fled to Florida only returning to Ohio on occasion after that tbecause they had to personally appear at the hearing in Bankruptcy Court when their debts were discharged.

    BOA is required to send Notices of Intent to Foreclose and file an affidavit with their moving papers that prove the Notices were served upon the Defendants. Once turned over to the Trustee for Foreclosure, there are many documents to be filed with the local (Circuit Court?) in that jurisdiction. I would think that in addition to regular mail, certified mail, that personal or alternate (posting the property and more mailings) service is sop in Florida as it is in most states that I am familiar with foreclosure proceedings.

    “I DIDN’T KNOW” just does not fly. Because foreclosure has become such a phenomena in the US, many states have enacted legislation ensuring that the Defendant(s) have MORE than the ususal notification, assistance and fair treatment. This was a deliberate financial decision made on the part of C&G.

  452. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    Haz, it is called the passage of time. They filed for bankruptcy and erased their debt. It only takes two to three years to reestablish your credit after a bankruptcy. Cindy having a solid job was able to qualify for a loan. That loan was in her name only until they refinanced, then George had to sign as well on the new loan. Presumably he was working at the time.

  453. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Anyone watching WFTV live?

    If my inbox is accurate, then there is much new news to discuss.

    Oh, my.

  454. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Thanks for the tip, ThoughtElf.

  455. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    If this is true, then all I can say is, “Go George!”

    Why does the breaking news always happen when I have to be away for a while?

  456. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    aaaaaaarrrrggghhhhh! What do you guys see that I can’t? Do you have a link for whatever is happening at wftv live?

  457. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    oh my, now I am scrambing. go George!?!?!??? I must find out what THAT means…and I’m way up here in Maryland!

  458. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    I’m scrambling right along beside you, Myrtle!

  459. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    OK Myrtle, I found it. Woman Claims She Had Affair With George Anthony
    WFTV learned Friday that a woman said she had a relationship with Casey Anthony’s father, George Anthony and that woman was questioned by detectives

  460. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    Hi Bee…

    Got email from Orlando chum that WFTV is reporting Georgie had a fling. Lady reported it complete with pictures – and details of what George told her about Caylee’s death.

    I am supposed to be elsewhere – doing other things, but I’m trying to find a link to throw up.

    Please, please let justice come at the hands of someone in this family finally get caught in a screw-up.

  461. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    No pun intended there – but it was funny regardless.

  462. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Grabbed this from my chum elsewhere:

    Kathi B report – video is a MUST SEE

    The ladies sister has provided information.

    Soon after Casey was arrested, lasted for about a year;

    George told her Casey’s death was an accident that “snowballed out of control.”

    The sister has photos of her and george, given to LE, as well as text messages on ALL THREE of George’s cell phones

    No comment from defense yet…

    Craig – link us up!

  463. RS said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    This just keeps getting more and more bizarre….

    http://www.wftv.com/news/22825765/detail.html

    Woman Claims She Had Affair With George Anthony
    ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — WFTV learned Friday that a woman said she had a relationship with Casey Anthony’s father, George Anthony and that woman was questioned by detectives.

    It turns out that woman looks a lot like the description George gave detectives of Zenaiga Gonzalez, also known as ”Zanny the nanny.”

    Casey claimed it was the nanny who took her daughter, Caylee Anthony.

    Skye Benhaida told WFTV that her sister provided investigators with information that she was having an affair with George Anthony that started soon after Casey was arrested. She said it lasted for about a year.

    Benhaida said George told her sister that Caylee’s death was an accident that snowballed out of control.

    The sister of the woman who says she was George Anthony’s mistress said George apparently used her sister as a model for what Zenaida, the alleged nanny, looked like; apparently, right down to a tattoo that her sister has.

    She said her sister gave George almost $5,000 over the course of their affair and was told by investigators that George had taken money from other women as well.

    The sister also said that she had photos on a phone of she and George in intimate situations and shared them with detectives as well as the numerous text messages they exchanged using all three of George’s cell phones.

  464. RS said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    If that story is true… what piece of human manure he is….

    a totally debased, parasitic opportunist sucking off Caylee…….

    so much for searching for your Grandollar…

  465. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Oh sheesh, I wouldn’t begrudge that man a roll in the hay under MOST conditions but taking money? I think there is a name for that if it is TRUE(?). Photos on phones? I thought George was schooled about BAT phones. Oh my.

    I have said for months that there is more to come [out] in this case and we “ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.

    I’ve got to go read up on George’s interviews again – I’ve managed to miss a description he purportedly gave of the ghost-sitter. Maybe John Morgan will have yet ANOTHER client in yet ANOTHER defamation suit. This COULD BE THE REASON for “giving the Florida house back to Bank of America…”

    Cindy, what did you ever do to deserve all of this, Sweetheart?

  466. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    I still don’t think it was an accident. That might just be George’s *theory* – not actual knowledge. I’m keeping that in mind until I hear otherwise.

    I am disgusted that he took money from this woman, and allegedly others, too? Explains the Pimp Daddy earrings.

    I don’t think this woman was supposed to speak up before the investigation was unsealed? I wonder if the State already gave it to the defense?

  467. me said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    So George said it ‘was an accident that spraled out of control’ to his mistress. Liar, I’ll never buy it, how does one accidently place 3 pieces of duct tape around a baby’s mouth & a piece covering her nose?

    Anyone believe that, once a liar always a liar?

  468. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    How do you accidently close down all breathing orifaceswith duct tape? Why can’t George man up & tell the truth. Somewhere deep inside he wants to, I know it.

  469. RS said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    If this lady has the tattoo George described, I’d predict he will soon be in handcuffs and have worse troubles than worrying over Cindy finding this out, assuming she did not already know all about it and know all about the 5 k

    CRAIG…spelling of Zenaida in online article is incorrect…

  470. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Is this what the prosecution is withholding for 30 days? I doubt it so there is even more bad news for the the defense to come.

    Can’t blame him for the affair, look what he’s married to. But taking money from the woman, that’s low man. And how desperate is she, good God!

  471. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Ya know, between Casey and George lboth eeching Cindy to the bone, that woman could possibly emerge from all of this as “Victorious Victoria Victim” and end up on DWTS or engaged to the Prince of Brunei [sic] or some other such undeserved foolishness.

  472. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    *leeching

  473. nom de plume said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    I am doing a happy dance!

    Hero- I share your feelings that this is not what the prosecution has sealed.

  474. hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Hello …………. why now … why after alll this time ????????? Inquiring minds are dying to know!!!!

    And. .. have to leave shortly into the deluge of rain up here …… hopefully we won’t lose power again * we did for about 2 hours) so I can read more later tonight……

  475. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Oh! this is rich — or it would be if disclosed under any different circumstances.

    “I had to have an affair with that woman so I could muddy the waters. I did it for my daughter.”

    “Cindy would only let me do it if I got paid.”

    “Taint the potential jury pool – one woman at a time.”

    “Honey, this is a donation to the foundation – so you cannot claim a tax deduction because of the sex you got in return.”

  476. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    the blogosphere could well explode by the time this news makes the 4 time zones and i really, don’t want to give them any more, no not one more iota of attention, but i can’t help myself with this one. why didn’t cindy have dom casey tailing george? huh?

  477. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    ——————— and …. was this before or after the suicide episode??????

  478. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    ah, would that be the fake suicide fiasco?

  479. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    George says “Thank you, your photo is your receipt.”

  480. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    The suicide fiasco that wasted EVEN MORE law enforcement resources? Ah yes, even illicit sex couldn’t pull him from the doldrums.

  481. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    WHERE ARE THE PHOTOS?????????????????????? And, does anone have any idea why now?????????????????? Anyway … “gotta go” ……. C U LATER …..

  482. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    For once the nic is without a cognizant thought other than George ^5 you little devil.

  483. Autumn Leaf said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    “Pimp Daddy Earrings,” priceless!

    I don’t confuse easily however the importance of this “lady’s” tattoo escapes me. But nothing at all surprises me concerning this scuzzy family. Guess Georgie is a dude?

  484. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

  485. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    Myrtle, you made me laugh so hard I had to get my old hernia belt out.

  486. Autumn Leaf said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Oh yeah, the suicide attempt, complete with a six-pack, pizza and blood pressure pills.

    The baby’s death remains a tragedy. But the antics of this family are just way too bizarre to be true. (But they are.)

  487. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Sweet Baby Buddha!

    We’ve gone from JB’s Tantalizing Twizzler Tease with KC…

    to pillow talk between DC and Cindy while they look for an alive Caylee in the woods…

    to Big Old Pimp Daddy & Zanny.

  488. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Benhaida = Zenaida????????????

    ANOTHER coincident?

  489. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    Casey Anthony: George Anthony had affair, said Caylee’s death was ‘an accident,’ WFTV reports

    Caylee and Casey Anthony, George and Cindy Anthony, WESH, WFTV — posted by halboedeker on March, 12 2010 5:28 PM

    In other Anthony news:

    *** Judge Stan Strickland denied the defense’s request to stop taping Casey’s jail meetings with her attorneys, WFTV reported.

    ***George and Cindy Anthony have hired a new attorney to help them save their home from foreclosure, WFTV reported. The Anthonys haven’t paid their mortgage for nine months.

    ***Casey Anthony’s request for indigency concerns state administrators.

    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/03/casey-anthony-woman-claims-affair-with-george-anthony-wftv-reports.html

    ******************

    Great scoop for WFTV & Kathi Belich.

  490. nom de plume said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    Haz – that would be before, during and after the suicide gesture by “pimp daddy earrings”. It was reported to have lasted for a year, right after Casey’s arrest.

    The “why now” question? Perhaps the lady friend was trying to get her money back, or pimp daddy back, and finally got tired of trying, so blew the whistle! Or maybe she finally figured out how to get her 15 minutes of fame and fortune. Can’t wait to see this in the rags.

    Autumn, if he described the tat, he saw the tat, and that means he knew the woman, she isn’t just making this up.

  491. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Myrtle – ya killin’ me.

    This is my personal favourite:

    “Taint the potential jury pool – one woman at a time.”

  492. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    George’s mistress agreed to & took a polygraph. Which members of the Anthony family agreed to take a polygraph? Oh that’s right none, they all refused.

  493. question said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Mr. Shaeffer,
    I am pretty sure you won’t answer, but I jusy have to ask, do YOU think Casey killed Caylee?

    I do!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  494. Thinker Belle said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    Actually, that doesn’t make much sense since KC described the nanny while in jail. And, while she was out on bond, she wasn’t allowed to go anywhere except to her lawyer’s office…was this “mistress” at the office for GA while he waited for his daughter? Furthermore, we all know they never had any conversation that was not recorded in the jail. So, if any part of this is true, they more than likely had the affair prior to the disappearance. What type of tattoo was it? Is it a very popular one? How could GA go anywhere without being followed by media? With everyone monitoring them so closely, at least it appeared that way, how could this have gone unnoticed?

    This kinda smells like one of those things that sleazy PI pulled describing Cindy’s affair, the affair between KC and Baez, giving a detail of what people ate, etc. And, if two people are truly in an intimate position, who in the world would whoop out a cell phone and capture it for posterity? Lol! Get real!

  495. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Myrtle says:

    “Cindy would only let me do it if I got paid.”

    _____________________

    Now that, I could believe.

  496. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Cindy prostituting George out. Maybe it’s why he got the fancy diamons stud earring & the tat…they thought it made him sexier…lol.

  497. RS said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Since Conway tried to make headway by saying he had not heard from investigators, AS IF, AS IF, investigators would bring old conway into the loop, and since he also did not deny it happened…

    IMO, it has all the looks like it darn sure did happen…..

    …..and we are getting only the tip of this, the next layer, of the rotting Anthony onion…

  498. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    eww.

    Who really paid for the cruise?

    $5,000 as the going rate for a piece of George?

  499. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    I want specific start & end dates of the affair. Now please.

  500. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    How long to you get for prostitution in FL? Not a first time offender, mind you.

  501. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    I wonder if Missy Mistress gave LE all of the cell phone numbers?

    Wonder if she knows if anyone else ‘helped’ KC after the ‘accident’?

    I really have to brush up on my pillow talk. What ever happened to, “That was good for me. Want a smoke?”

  502. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    What a Three Ring Circus. Where is Barnum & Bailey when you need them?

    Send In The Clowns

  503. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Oops, wrong link.

    Send In The Clowns

  504. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Oh my God, Myrtle! “Cindy would only let me do it if I got paid.” HA HA HA!!!

  505. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Oops trying again.

    Send In The Clowns

  506. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Is this the reason for the foreclosure? Divorce?

    Pending charges? Depending on what was stated and what LE investigated, then perhaps the Anthony’s will be charged?

    I do believe this is what the State asked to delay for discovery – and for good reason. I can imagine many scenarios in which they would have feared interference.

  507. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Perjury?

    What if George admitted that they already knew Caylee was dead when they were collecting funds?

  508. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    I think if this wasn’t true the six o’clock news would have definitely had some mention from Conway, no? I mean, can you see Cindy when this story broke? If it wasn’t true I’d have heard the explosion all the way up here in the great white north. Am I being naive?

  509. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    ThoughtElf, I’m not so sure. Does it have any bearing at all on the murder case? To me it’s more an issue of morals. Why would Strickland care if it was concealed or not?

  510. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    Geeez ThoughtElf, you got me so flustered with that pillow talk I couldn’t get my link up right. :wink:

  511. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    Bees,

    Possibly prejudicial when George is on the stand??

  512. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    Here’s Kathi Belich with the story.

    http://www.wftv.com/video/22826785/index.html

  513. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    That could be, Nic.

  514. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    Bees,

    Yes, this can have much bearing on the case. Still processing, but off of the top of my head:

    1. Proof of perjury/obstruction – if George told this woman at any point between July 2008 & Dec. 2008 that they knew Caylee was dead, then any statements made after George related the info, plus media appearances, collecting funds, etc. would place the Anthonys in a very bad position right now.

    2. Likewise with their sworn testimony for the civil hearings

    3. Le might have obtained records from the 3 cell phones if she provided them with all three phone numbers, which I suspect she has since her sister is claimed to have texts from all three

    4. This story is still breaking, and I’d imagine the investigators have far, far more info than we’ll see

    5. Hypothetically, depending on dates of the affair, (which arrest?), IF – HUGE, HUGE IF – the affair was ongoing when KC was first arrested – and the Zanny story evolved in any way from the affair and KC’s knowledge of it, then the defense will now be spinning that anger with George was KC’s motive – not anger with Cindy (big if, but possible – need dates!)

    That is just a quick list – sure we’ll come up with more.

    Nic,

    I stopped clicking the link after the second try, my flustered friend. LOL!

  515. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    If the National Enquirer could ferret out Tiger’s women, why didn’t they “expose George” before now? He isn’t smart enough to be that stealthy – the who what and where’s to all of this latest poop, I mean scoop, don’t add up …not yet anyway.

  516. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Poor little Caylee – relatives to be proud of and live by their example??? My heart breaks and I am ashamed of the jokes I’ve made. RIP little Angel.

  517. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    New Hinky Meter is up:
    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1985

  518. nom de plume said, on March 12, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Anyone taking or making bets if the A’s will be at the hearing scheduled for next week?

  519. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Oh, thanks for that, ThoughtElf. You’re right ~ good points!

  520. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Ok, now that I have stopped laughing at this latest absurdity, how will this impact the case? And, as nom de plume asks above, how might it impact the Anthonys united stand together?

    I think at least one of them will be at the hearing, for sure. Likely both. They’ve been fearless in the face of all media all along. I don’t think this will change much? Not sure.

    At a bare minimum, if investigators have turned up anything, it is likely to be that George perjured himself in many instances.

    I’m just trying to think through how this might impact Casey’s trial. How prejudicial is this? Without more details of what George shared, we may be many months yet from the full fall-out of this news.

  521. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    I think they’ll both show up, too. Do you think Kathi Belich will get in their faces about this? “George, is it true that you used your mistress as a model for what Zanny looked like; apparently, right down to a tattoo?” “George, would you say your mistress is a “10?”

  522. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    It could be damning only if LE has the cell phone, text messages between the alleged mistress & George & he says stuff damning about the mu8rder & Casey’s in volvment & he & cindy’s li9es, cover-ups. Since she did one thing they have refused to do, take a polygraph, her interviews with detectives could carry some weight.

  523. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    One can only hope, Bees.

    I loves me some KB.

    (Yeah, I stole the Kraft Dinner slogan, but I like Kathi a whole lot better than mac n’ cheese.)

  524. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    I hope this is not what the prosecution has withheld 30 days, if so I’ll be disappointed. Too much could fall into the category of hearsay. I hope it’s something to do with PI Dom Casey.

  525. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    sky benhaida’s myspace- Is sky the sister?

    http://www.myspace.com/skybenhaidayahoocom

  526. frankie said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    OK slam me if you must…but Gigolo JoJo…say it ain’t so! ROFLMFAO.

    Pssst….I think even though the ants weren’t “communicating” when casey was in jail because it was taped, baez was allowed to take his laptop in…..ever hear of Skype…or just plain old ordinary mail/email?

    No wonder this bunch is so isolated….who could stand to deal with the drama on a regular basis?

  527. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    I “heart” Kathi Belich. “George, is it true, in fact, that Cindy has your %$#* in her pocket?”

    That’s the name, hereo.

  528. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    I don’t think this is THE SECRET.

  529. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Sky’s Benhaida’s MySpace photo resembles the ‘curly haired’ slim pretty Hispanic Zanaida described by George & Cindy. Though I know she’s the sister of the ‘mistress’.

  530. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Craig.

    I had a source some time ago inform me of why George left Ohio in a hot hurry.
    Kathy should Look into a workers comp scam in Ohio involving George.

  531. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    I don’t think it’s the secret being withheld either B ees. I trust that the state has something more solid, like PI Dom Casey’s testimony.

    This latest ‘bombshell’ is off the wall & oddly entertaining, but invites the defense to cry hearsay. It could be damaging thou8gh but it’s not the SECRET imo.

  532. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    I do. The timing, the wish to avoid interference…

    They certainly didn’t want George going back to this woman, nor did they want Cindy threatening her, did they? And they did need time to investigate.

    I just can’t figure out what they gleaned from this that isn’t hearsay. Unfortunately, I don’t think we’ll know for a really long time.

    Whether it is relevant to the trial, or not, I do believe that the affair part is likely true and it does go through even more illumination on the characters (or lack of) these folks.

    Ya know, if George does eventually get charged with perjury or anything as a result of this – he’s going to have to stop earning his money via the world’s oldest profession, right? He’ll need a Public Defender.

    My brain really hurts.

  533. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    Benhaida- Zenaida. This is freaky.

  534. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    ThoughtElf

    At first glance this could prove to be very problematic for the Anthony’s.

    #1 on the list is they had knowledge that Caylee was indeed dead, YET they continued to collect donations, they continued to report Live Caylee sightings, and they withheld this knowledge from law enforcement all while demanding everyone “GET OFF THEIR ASSES AND FIND THEIR GRANDDAUGHTER!!”

    This could result in some major legal issues for anyone Anthony if proven to be truth.
    It also shows Casey as the killer in no uncertain terms.

  535. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    My brain really hurts.
    *****************
    Ditto, it sort of makes me wonder where the whole Zenaida, Zanny the Nanny fairy tale came from now? Was it concocted by GHeorge after meeting the Benhaida sisters? Skye looks like their description of Zenaida imo, maybe his mistress does as well.

  536. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    Ok, if investigators told the Mistress that George took money from other women, too, then assume they have already, or will be interviewing the other women.

    Who knows what’ll break next? Who knows what the other women know and how much they ‘donated’ to George for services rendered.

    Good Golly, Ms. Molly! KC – Devil in a Blue Dress, and George is Just a Gigalo.

  537. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Can we PLEASE have a plea deal now?

  538. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Judy – from your lips to God’s ears.

    Heroes – fascinating discussion over at Val’s – she has brought up a really interesting theory on how this news might have broken. Wish Kathi would comment on that. ;)

    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1985

  539. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Sky Benhaida’s MySpace:

    http://www.myspace.com/skybenhaidayahoocom

    ****************************

    Anyone know her sister’s name yet?

  540. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Thanks TE, I’m a daily HinkyMeter reader. Going there now.

  541. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Heroesfan
    Lets think like an Anthony for a second shall we?

    In fact lets think like a female Anthony…. Scary I know but follow me for a second okay.

    Lets say you are a women scorned, and your daughter needs a scape goat.

    Now, what if the affair was known to Cindy, because lets face it a women knows these things.

    Now, let venture to say Casey cracked and told mommy dearest what happened.

    We know about the split between Cindy & George, we know Cindy decided it was cheaper to keep him than to pay him off in the divorce, now lets think hummmmmm who could we pin this on?????

    Light bulb appears over Cindys head, BENHAIDA!!!!
    And Daughter dear if we are lucky…..They will both go down!! and we are rid of him and his lovergirl.

  542. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    OMG wouldn’t you love to be a fly on the wall at the Anthony house about now lol.

    I bet ol George is Ducking and Dodging, Hey maybe Cindy has him in a choke hold about now…….

    Be better than Pay Per View!!

  543. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Elf,

    George The Gigolo

  544. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    LOL seems Casey isn’t the only one that like to take party pic’s EGADS what a bunch of Morons…

  545. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    OK, I was reading Sky Benhaida’s myspace & she’s got 21 friends. One is DMX, aka Earl Simmons a drug addicted ‘rap star’ criminal with a history of animal abuse. The FBI confiscated pit bull puppies from DMX’s home that were so badly deformed from 2001-2007 they had to be euthanized. He was also suspected of dog fighting…which only cowardly scum do. I have a sweetheart of a rescued pit bull ..she was abused & used as a ‘bait dog’ by these type of scum. Police rescued her & put her in a shelter & we took h er after bein g notified by an animal rights group I belong to. DMX makes Michael Vick look not so bad & he’s a total pice of trash.

    Why were the dogs deformed? Because DMX left the puppies in small cages & never let them out or fed them. The dogs outgrew the cages & their bodies became embedded in the steel & they were nothing but deformed skin & bones. The worst case of animal abuse I’ve ever seen in my life. I don’t know if this woman knows about DMX’s arrests in Arizona, but if she does & still oadmires this piece of cocaine addicted filth she’s no better than the DMX or the murdrer cover-up Anthonys.

    We keep saying iwhen it comes to those involved in the anthonys…birds of a feather..does this also include the people they have affairs with.’..probably..

  546. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    Makes ya wish those street cams were back on out on hope spring.
    Cause this is prob better than Tyson V Holyfield..

  547. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Judypc, my thoughts exactly…but if so what about Attorney Morgan’s Zenaida & the whole civil lawsuit?

    Seeing that Zenaida fill out for an Apt. vacancy at Sawgrass & stealing her identity info to frame her from the form & seeing her drive off in the car with NY license plates?

    The lies are so many..the conspiracies going in too many different directions now..ouch my head hurts!

  548. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    Gosh, I miss the web cams. Especially now. Good times.

    Nic:

    I think ‘Diamond Dave’s’ version is more appropriate for George. Dave likes sparkly bling, too

  549. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Dang – wrong link! (you’re contagious, Nic)

  550. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    I have no doubt whatsoever that Cindy know of this affair.

  551. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Cindy ‘knew’ of the affair.

  552. Thinker Belle said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Yeah, freaky…kinda like Caylee-Haleigh…c.zenaida &zenadia c….freaky…in a backwords kinda way.

  553. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Heroesfan.

    I really think she had the name Zanny all picked out in advance but the Description of Zanny could have been all Cindy.

    Like most things in this case its just picking up bits here and there that they leave behind them.

    The whole family is so freaking messed up I dare say we will never have the full story.

  554. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    You know what might be Joses’ best defense?

    Is it any wonder my client is a Freak?

    JUST look at her family, you’re honor we rest our case……

  555. nom de plume said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Thanks Thoughtelf! Love that Dave! Even Boy George is in the video.

    Agree Cindy knew – but she (with any luck) will get pissed with all the dirty laundry flapping in the breeze!

  556. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Judypc I really think she had the name Zanny all picked out in advance but the Description of Zanny could have been all Cindy.

    *****************

    That could make sense. Just like the way Casey lies, taking bits of real life & the truth, maybe it’s what they’ve all been doing to cover-up & create this imaginary Zanny the Nanny. Bits of the truth, bits of real people here & there, unfortunately the real Zenaida got caught up in their schemes & life forever ruined being linked top a kidnapping/murder of a baby girl.

    I still hope she sucessfully sues the pants off Casey & the A’s. They dragged her through the mud, Cindy wouldn’t publicly deny it was her for a long time & she’s innocent, guilty of nothing but crossingt paths with these degenerates she never even met.

  557. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    Judy,

    Sadly, I think you’re closer to the truth than we can hope.

    You just know the Defense will try to find a way to spin this that she had to kill Caylee to protect her Dad from stealing Caylee and running off with one of his Mistresses.

    And just when I thought it couldn’t get any uglier – Whoomp! There it is.

    When did Cindy know? Before or after the cruise? Was the cruise the equivalent of a Tiger make-up ring? Nah, maybe he paid for Cindy’s tat.

  558. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    nom de plume
    lol Bet theres more than dirty laundry flapping in the breeze about now!

  559. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    ThoughtElf;
    Now, lets get a bit more Devious shall we, remember we are thinking like Casey?

    Let’s say now comes the defense of.

    Casey was protecting her dear ol dad all this time.

    Daddy dearest & his gal pal took Caylee, and something happened.
    It was Daddy who took Caylee to the woods, It was daddy who put her in the back yard, it was daddy who put her in the trunk.

    I love my daddy, I had to protect him!!

    Big Bus, Big Wheels, setting right on top of pop!!

  560. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    think about it for a moment.
    Daddys duct tape.
    Daddys trash bags
    Daddys little girl…..

  561. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    OK. Does anybody here think that this is all a fabrication and George is willingly putting himself under the bus either as another suspect (knowing he’d not be convicted) or as someone else has said, to get the “Caylee’s-death-was-accidental story “out there?”

  562. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Sky Benhaida is online on MySpace right now.

    I’d love to ask her questions, but me inserting myself like another Joy Wray…no freakin way!

  563. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Myself, I don’t think there’s anything more behind this than what it is. George Anthony is a gigolo! Words I never thought I’d say.

  564. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    So Skye…did you see the cell phone pics of sis & George in uncompromising positions? She’d probably tell me to f off.

  565. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    Bees I really do not see George as being that devoted to Casey, of course it is no secret I have said since day one I think he is scum.

    I have always held that he was a sneak and a slime-ball.

    So I guess it could be said I see no redeeming factors in the man.

  566. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    ROFLMAO @ Heroesfan

  567. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:44 pm OK. Does anybody here think that this is all a fabrication and George is willingly putting himself under the bus…

    **********

    No, I believe it..she took a polygraph..Kathi Belich reported it.. not the enquirer. I hope it’s true.

  568. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:52 pm ROFLMAO @ Heroesfan
    ******************

    OK as weird & gross as it sounds, I read the woman indeed has cell phone proof, as in photos of she & George in intimate situations. Did anyone else read that?

  569. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Heroe heres what I would have to ask lol
    hey Sky how hard up is your sister anyway?
    I mean George Anthony??????

  570. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    OK enough of this latest salacious stuff, I’m going to watch Caprica..bbl..seriously though..poor little Caylee never had a chance with these immoral freaks.

  571. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Oh mercy don’t tell me we are gonna see pic’s of George on a stripper pole!!

    I just dont think my eyes could stand it…

  572. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    So, remind me… when did the Anthony’s get baptized again?

    George, was that before or after your fling?

  573. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    Heroe heres what I would have to ask lol
    hey Sky how hard up is your sister anyway?
    I mean George Anthony??????

    **************

    Go ahead & ask, she’s still online on MySpace…just kidding Judy. Wonder if they are going to shop the story to media?

    Someone would have to pay ME to be with George…& it would have to be more like $$ 5 million, joking that’s like a death sentence..or guarantee to have your life totally screwed up by involving yourself with AN ANTHONY- no money is worth it!!

  574. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    BEES KNEES ————————- anything is possible ………………. even the fact this is a fraud…………………

  575. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    Heroesfan ————-yes, it has been reported that she took a polygraph…… but … the results were not announced …. and anyway ….. they are not reliable… fact is , not allowed in trials. ….. false or false postives are common place…… again… until we see pictures ….. let’s just wait….

  576. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Something is too fishy ….. supposedly she’s online now … but …. no comments for months….. I know a little too much about my space….. don’t go on line and then have no comments for months …. oh well… we’ll see ….. waiting for pix ………

  577. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    —— for those who are wondering … yes, I did go on her MySpace page ….. something isn’t right….

  578. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Haz,

    The MySpace page being posted everywhere is the sister’s page – not the alleged Mistress.

  579. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    If George talked about it being an accident, did he also discuss the decomp smell? I think his ‘accident’ comment was just a theory, depending on when he told the woman this, but you have to wonder what other details he told her.

    If the affair lasted as long as a year, he might have had much to say after each doc dump, forensic evidence release and after interviews. There could have been a treasure trove of info for LE to follow up on aside from any hearsay statements.

    I have to go on a deep doc & time line dive to see what looks different when viewed with this in mind.

    Many said back in August 2008 that the A’s should have each gotten their own lawyer. They really should have listened to us. ;)

  580. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    Recall KC wanted to see George?

    Casey’s Letter to Sheriff Beary dated 8/14/08
    http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564742.pdf

  581. Thinker Belle said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    Here is a “burning question”…did any of the family members of a missing or murdered child get the coverage as the Anthony family?

    Here is a link to the 314 still missing, I have no idea how many unsolved murders there have been in this category.
    http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=usMapSearch&missState=FL&searchLang=en_US
    Interesting article: http://www.sitnews.us/0705news/072005/072005_shns_missing.html

    My opinion is this latest “news” is another way to capitalize off the death of this innocent child. The release of “evidence” was a dud, so, this information is like a mating call to the street vigilantes. If the police run their investigations in such a manner, it wouldn’t surprise me if anyone ever reported their child missing again. JMO

  582. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    “If the police run their investigations in such a manner, it wouldn’t surprise me if anyone ever reported their child missing again.”

    Take heart. LE does not run their investigations like the Anthony’s ‘search’ for a missing child. I doubt highly she was ever in the Mistress’ bed.
    Trying to super-impose a decided bias (grudge?) to slant this latest Anthony fiasco with a dig at LE is… odd, but expected.

    The Anthony’s get this much press because they do not behave like the families of those other missing children – most, if not all, of whom were not likely murdered by their Mother, then forsaken by their grandparents.

    pens & pencils > note that one is a whole lot easier to erase than the other.

  583. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Okay, I just watched the 11pm news and if this unfolds as Kathy B has reported, this is no small deal.
    And, I would expect OCSO to be making arrest.
    If it is proven these people knew that early on that Caylee was dead, then L.E needs to step the hell up.

    I for one am damn tired of them pussy footing around with these scum-bags.

  584. Thinker Belle said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    Did the reporter give the investigators name? Did the reporter demonstrate where the $5,000 went? Did the reporter offer a view of the photos? I don’t doubt most of the funds received by them, and other organizations similar in nature came from women. So, to say money collected from other women wouldn’t be far from the truth. However, what I don’t get is how no one ever caught the two of them before this. I mean, people would call in and report they saw GA along side the road, stop by their house and photograph them, etc. Surely even LE saw when they left the home; a camera was stationed out front.

  585. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    On the news they showed pic’s of the girlfriend and the sister at Caylees memorial, she was also involved in searches.

  586. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Thinker Belle.

    I do recall once right after Casey was released on bond George stormed out of the house once saying “I can’t take this sh– any more”
    He was gone for a couple of days as I recall.

    The reporter ( Kathy B) did not name the investigators, and from my take on it the 5 thousand was given over time not all at once.
    By “other” women I did not get the feeling that it was donations to the fund that was was being spoken of, I took it more to George playing on the kind hearts of those women he conned.

  587. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Good Lord, what kind of person would have an affair with George then attend the memorial?

    Did I get that right Judy? The actual memorial? Or a prayer vigil service?

  588. Thinker Belle said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    Exactly, Thought Elf. And, knowing it was an “accident,” why would this person go on a search if she had inside information? Why would she waste everyone’s time and money. It would be understandable (not excusable) for GA to do so if he was covering for his daughter…what’s her story?!!!

  589. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Video interview with Skye:

    http://www.wftv.com/news/22825765/detail.html

  590. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:10 am

    Thanks for the link, Thought Elf!

    After viewing that, I’m like “Whoa…….hold da phone………if ZG isn’t a 10, but the twin of B is…what’s wrong with the ranking system? Okay, I wasn’t trying to be mean or anything, but, does anyone think this person could be a 10? Now, are there two Morgan attorneys…one for Zany the Nanny, and one for Bany the nanny? Lol!

    Something has “snowballed” out of control;not sure exactly what yet!

    Just my opinion as always!

  591. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:24 am

    No idea. None. Zero. Zip.

    I’m still trying to figure out where DC fits in – as I am still married to the idea that his investigative interview must have been enlightening.

  592. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:30 am

    All I can say is someone needs to produce the $45Gs Kc supposedly stole.

  593. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:30 am

    ThoughtElf
    The actual memorial setting right up close to the front in full view of George & Cindy

  594. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:33 am

    So, do you think the sister’s name may rhyme with Skye? Like Thai? Lol!

  595. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Thinker, from the way it was told she went on the search very early on, then after Casey was arrested was when George pillow talked.

  596. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:38 am

    Thanks Judy. I’ve caught up and watched the video.

    I cannot imagine having chutzpah like that.

  597. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:38 am

    and eeeekkkk NAKED pic’s of GEORGE!!

    Say it isn’t soooooooo

  598. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:41 am

    OH LORD please don’t tell me the next shoe to drop will be naked pic’s of Cindy……..

  599. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:44 am

    Is this the 2 (they are paced tight in the front) at the memorial at 3:25?

  600. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:03 am

    Thanks for the link, Thinker.

    Perhaps? The one with the straighter hair was looking over towards George, not the minister.

  601. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:04 am

    Bye, bye SODDI defense.

    WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer says if George really did say Caylee’s death was an accident, it’s bad news for the defense.

    “This would apparently foreclose any defense that someone outside of the Anthony family is responsible for that child’s death,” said Sheaffer.

  602. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:05 am

    Yep…it’s those straighteners for sure! Lol!

  603. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:07 am

    Anyone have a pic or an accurate description of the tat?

  604. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:27 am

    I wonder if she gave George a sympathy hug at the memorial? Think he reached down and grabbed a bit of azz?

    I cannot believe these folks. Mind – meet Boggle.

  605. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:36 am

    I’m surprised ‘the mistress’ wasn’t on Cindy & ‘PI Dom Casey’s Hit List’ of those who would be turned away from the ‘Caylee Memorial’ really a Casey Infomercial asking us to send Casey Birthday Cards. Remember that foolishness with Lee’s psycho wrist kissing CMA, CMA code speak?

    Nancy Grace, Kathi Belich, Leonard Padilla were on the ‘hit list’ because of ‘hatred toward the Anthony family’ & ‘being known to carry weapons’ like Leonard Padilla & Richard Grund.

    Either the affair hadn’t begun, was over by that time, Cindy didn’t know, or Cindy doesn’t care & was also having an affair with ‘PI Dom’.

  606. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:50 am

    I never was good at multiple choice test questions. I choose E for $1000, Heroes and I’ll give you what is behind Door #2.

    Apparently, Mistress was also packing something, too. An open wallet. Damn straight she wasn’t on the ‘hit list’. Didn’t they have the donation bowls out at the memorial, too?

    Ok, I’m trying not to go off into conspiracy-land, but I am a little freaked out by how much Mistress looks like the civil case ZFG.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/48055482@N05/4406804777/in/photostream/

  607. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:52 am

    Assuming that is she, of course.

  608. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 2:11 am

    Sorry, Nic… prob won’t like this one, but this does put the indigent filing in a whole new light.

  609. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 2:17 am

    Twin TE, I went to your PB link. Let’s see one’s named Skye…the other is River? Skye’s twin sister…nooo….this is getting science fiction weird. Is one good & the other evil? Never mindi, been watching sci fi all day…good night lots to sleep on.

  610. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 2:25 am

    I’m turning off and turning in, too, Heroes. Though who knows what I’ll dream about. This plot certainly is more far-fetched than any sci-fi I’ve read or watched.

    Someone wake me when Kathi drops the other shoe, please.

  611. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 2:26 am

    Apparently, Mistress was also packing something, too. An open wallet. Damn straight she wasn’t on the ‘hit list’. Didn’t they have the donation bowls out at the memorial, too?

    ****************

    Yep for the Anthonys money talks & BS walks. Adultery is easily overlooked if one is donating to the Scamthony fraudation fund of the moment. Missing Caylee teeshirts when they knew she was dead, Teddy bears for 9.99 that the fire dept. gave away for free, the Caylee Marie Fraudation online….

  612. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 7:15 am

    Morning ‘yall………………………..any pix? any new info ..ANOTHER strange thing …. “mistresses RECEIVE money …. they don’t GIVE money …. This is spiraling further out of control ——-

  613. Scotswoman said, on March 13, 2010 at 7:20 am

    “The state commission that doles out the public money used in criminal court cases said has “severe concerns” about Casey Anthony’s request to be declared indigent.”

    Oh Dear………. not a good week to be an Anthony

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-court-costs-20100312,0,3315926.story

  614. Scotswoman said, on March 13, 2010 at 7:55 am

    ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:52 am

    Assuming that is she, of course.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Elf

    Sky claims on her myspace account to be 32. Kathi Bellich said Georges’s ATM /(bit on the side is 38) So maybe another sibling? Is there a sister possibly sitting to Sky’s right at the memorial? ……..will go check it out

    And looks as though you were right and I was wrong about the indigency thing fading quickly……….Brava

    http://www.myspace.com/skybenhaidayahoocom

  615. RS said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:26 am

    According to the report, the affair started as a result of George pursuing the woman AFTER meeting her as she volunteered to search…

    So why some are asking how could she search knowing Caylee was dead, makes no sense to offer that question up….

    Searching came first, before any statements to the woman about any accident that snowballed.

    It appears the mistress would have or might have kept quiet about it all, but her sister seems intervened as a result of feeling the gal had been taken advantage of to the tune of what seems just under 5 K…

    This family is constantly in the news as a result of sharing no like kind behavior, or very little like kind behavior, to that of other families who have one lost, missing or dead that I can see to any other historical missing kid case.

    The behavior of this family is in IMO, some of the most despicable and repulsive, I hope to never see or hear of anything similar again my lifetime.

  616. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:59 am

    RS.
    You know I have always thought George was a sleeze bag, even at the start when others thought he would be Caylees Knight.

    I do not put anything past this bunch of low-lifes.

    My ONLY concern right now is I hope Kathy B has not been caught in an Anthony trick sac.
    We know how much they hate her, I just have a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach.

  617. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Scotswoman and ThoughtElf, Would I appear rather assuming if I were to think the sister may be the same age if they are twins?

  618. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:09 am

    How could twins be years apart?????? HELLO !!!!!!!

  619. RS said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:27 am

    Let’s see, a woman stating her age is less than it really is on a social networking site…

    never heard of it, say it aint so….LOL

    or a woman having another older sister, never heard of it …LOL

  620. Scotswoman said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:27 am

    #
    Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Scotswoman and ThoughtElf, Would I appear rather assuming if I were to think the sister may be the same age if they are twins?
    #
    Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:09 am

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Did Kathi Bellich say they were twins…………I dont think she did

  621. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:30 am

    GOOD MORNING

  622. RS said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:32 am

    judy,

    It appears to me Belich has done her homework, OCSO would have been within their rights to say to her no truth to that ….

    This would be part of ongoing obstruction investigation on the family member(s), and/or maybe an accessory one…

  623. RS said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:33 am

    Scots..

    Belich did not claim it is a twin sister…

  624. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:34 am

    In the interview, the reporter states the person speaking is the TWIN sister of the alleged mistress. Double Trouble…soon to be multiplying exponentially.

  625. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:36 am

    Scotswoman.

    Yes in the report it was said “the twin sister” of the one speaking out was the one George Had the affair with.

  626. RS said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:37 am

    It was stated to Belich that she was, not Belich that made the claim

  627. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:39 am

    Please refer to the link posted by ThoughtElf @ 11:57…Kathi mentions that GA visited their home often, and talks about the relationship between GA and the 38 year-old TWIN sister of Skye.

  628. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:42 am

    I didn’t hear Kathy Belich refer to the “twin sister” in report I just “re-heard” … but did in other reports perhaps by other reporters …… something is oddly fishy……it is stated the woman came forward ….. but … her sister is the one interviewed l..her sister is the who has the my space page…her sister is referred to as a “mistress” …. but …. “mistresses are “kept”, take money and are somewhat supported …they don’t give money —- and the timing is weird……. which time was casey in jail, what “year” did this affair take place …. questions, questions, questions …. :-) :-(

  629. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Thinker Belle ——— but Skeye is 32 … how can her twin be 38???? And, I thought it was CASEY WHO FIRST DESCRIBED ZANEIDA …. NOT GEORGE!!

  630. RS said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Hazaka,

    A mistress can have money of their own….and in this situation seems gave him some per the report

  631. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:50 am

    It’s really rather humorous if you think about it. Sitting a cross the street from where KC is incarcerated, and snatchin’ the heart of her father. Lol!

  632. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:52 am

    RSl, is she a reporter or what? Does she simply repeat what she hears, much like gossip, or, does she check things out first?

  633. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:56 am

    RS — of course a mistress can have money of her own…… but ..typically, she doesn’t support the married man …. it is reversed … here’s a partial description of a mistress:

    “…The mistress is the woman a married man makes first priority and will shower her with gifts to keep her happy…”

    If this stuff is true …this chick seems more of a “George groupie” than mistress…that’s my point…. anyway ..want to see see cell phone pix!!!!

  634. Scotswoman said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:04 am

    Ok apologies for any confusion caused by yours truly. LOL

    So I think we can agree Ole George’s love interest was a WOMAN between the age of 32 and 38 who’s feeling a bit used now. LOL And if reports are true she had information OCSD found very interesting.

    BAT PHONES?

  635. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:08 am

    No Nic ———————– WHY ARE U SO SILENT THIS AM??? :-) Has all this made you speechless????

  636. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Haz,

    No I am deeply embroiled in the minutia of this latest development. To be a twin or not to be, that is the question. :wink: I said Good Morning up thread with a link but wasn’t acknowledged till now. Back to sulk mode. :lol:

  637. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:20 am

    NO NIC ————— these are important questions … anyway … where did you get your moving smiley …. I like it! Too bad there are no emoticons here …… :-(

  638. nom de plume said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Twin schmin.

  639. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:41 am

    Haz,

    These are the only ones we can use here unless the admin adds more with a smilie plugin.

    http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies

  640. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:53 am

    No Nic …. thanks …. I went further into wordpress and found a few others …… let’s see if it works: :!:

  641. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:55 am

    No Nic….. thanks ………………….. wonder if this too will work—

    :!:

  642. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Thanks No Nic ………… tried a another that I saw on wordpress…… but ….. post didn’t go thru …. oh well…………… :-(

  643. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 11:03 am

    YW :mrgreen:

  644. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 11:07 am

    No Nic…………….. you’re Mr green….. woa woa woa ………….. doo ron de ran day ran day …. :shock
    ————–and btw …… why do I have enter my name and email each and every time :?:

  645. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 11:38 am

    Haz,

    If you allow the wordpress cookie it will keep your login information in that cookie and you won’t have to do that. You will have to tweak your browser cookie options. What browser are you using?

  646. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Morning/Afternoon.

    I’m not sticking my toes in the twin-of-indeterminate-age puddle.

    Are we positive that the sister intervened and went to investigators? (I haven’t read today’s news articles yet.)

    I’ve thought it more likely that this Woman was discovered via DC’s investigative interview. And who knows what else he told investigators?

  647. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    No Nic ——————– using windows … vista …..

  648. BB said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Does anyone have information on who the pastor is that spoke at Caylee’s memorial and if he ever goes to visit Casey to tell her how much God loves her? I have only read that she
    has no visitors. in watching the videos I have not been able to find any two women that
    is the subject of being George’s mistress and sister. Which video please.

  649. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Has this breaking story changed anyone’s opinion? Has this hearsay shared over pillow talk convinced anyone that Caylee’s death was an accident?

    I think George stated that as theory, and more than likely in the early days of the affair.

    My brain still hurts a great deal from thinking about them all being together at Caylee’s memorial.

    That poor little Baby has had her memory sullied in a thousand different ways.

  650. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    ThoughtElf ——————– Need more facts re: this ….. raises more questions to my mind than it answers…………..

  651. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    BB – last nights WFTV report with video here:
    http://www.wftv.com/news/22825765/detail.html

    Read the recent vistation list last week, but I was scanning for times & lengths of lawyer visits. Skipped right over pastor visits if any were there. Maybe some else remembers?

  652. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Agree Haz.

    Share questions for brain food?

  653. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Haz,

    Internet Browser not Operating System. Like IE 8, Safari, Firefox. Go into your help menu and search for cookie handling and allow cookies. This is way off topic and I must quit this now.

    Elf,

    I am going to have to see more before I put any energy in this news about George. This thing smells and it ain’t dead fish.

  654. Huh? said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    This is a pic of her after the remains were found.

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2008/dec/11/missing-florida-girl-121108/?zIndex=21776

  655. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    No Nic said, ———- thank you ………….. and yes……. I agree…… this is a tad fishy …and smells :-)

  656. BEES KNEES said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Do we know yet if Kathi uncovered the story or did the sister go to LE and/or the media first? Cause it seems to me that if Kathi found them, rather than them finding her (do you get what I mean?) the story will be more credible. Some are asking why it took so long for the woman to come forward but what if she didn’t? What if the mistress was never going to rat out George but Kathi was investigating some other element of the case and somehow uncovered it?

    Also, I still think the BIG SECRET is going to be Dominic Casey.

    I don’t find it surprising at all that their flimflam house made of deception is finally beginning to crumble. How many months now have we watched them lie, obstruct justice, scream at people who were trying to help, frame the innocent . . .on and on . . . is it any wonder that most of us are enjoying this now? That family has been walking around with their smarmy, smug mugs just begging to be brought down to the same planet where most of us live and where most of us obey the laws and have respect for authorities. It’s reaffirming that they are no better than anyone else and might actually be held accountable.

  657. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    HUH?:

    Laughing so hard. She’s with Krazy Kalani – aka Chili Boy – in his KC knock-off stolen money white sunglasses! I really must dig up the old video link to his epic meltdown.

    Nic:

    Put your hip waders on, chum, because we’re heading into deeper water for fishies.

    I think this is the real deal, and I think this info came from DC. That’s my story, and I am sticking to it. Being in such close proximity with that family for so long, I’m certain he must have pivotal information about the case and the family activities that needs further investigation. I think the Mistress story is just a small part of the flood to come.

  658. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    “She was in love with George,” said Benhaida.

    Benhaida said George told her sister that Caylee’s death was an accident. But she said her sister never asked about Caylee’s death.

    “She told him that, ‘I would never ask you that.’ In reply, he said it was an accident that snowballed out of control,” Benhaida said.
    ==========

    Can we say hearsay evidence? Let’s hear from the mistress first hand. I am not fishing or cutting bait. Show me the beef.

  659. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Not arguing that it isn’t hearsay. Of course it is.

    I’m simply not worried that much hinges on the Mistress & the affair, other than possible perjury charges.

    John Allen first suggested to George that things can snowball, perhaps after an accident. Hearsay or not, George was just spouting what he believed at the time, or what he wanted others to think he believed.

    All the little minnows are swimming with the big State sharks now that DC is finally in sworn play. ;)

  660. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Well, I just finished reading her Twitter Tweets. Pass the extra-strength Tylenol, please.

  661. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Okay ——- been off for a bit ………… any “new” news ???

  662. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Awww Elf, speaking of sharks, I think that Kathi Belich really “jumped the shark” this time. Sorry Craig.

  663. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    Nope, but I pulled this little gem from the WFTV archives:

    http://www.wftv.com/video/18257535/index.html

    The woman with Kaloni is reported to be River Allen. I wonder if this is Mistress Crystal/River?

    (Odd, the things I watch when it is too darn rainy and windy to go out, and someone else is in control of the big screen.)

  664. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Why are you so convinced of this, Nic?

    Don’t be a tease – share the thought?

  665. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    Interesting – Kalani was arrested just yesterday.

    http://florida.mugshotlist.com/bowles-kalani-aaronchristo/

  666. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Okay lets pick this puppy apart and start to rebuild the story shall we?

    First observation is the difference in ages of these two supposed twins?
    Skye says she is 32, now if this River chick is the sister how is she 38?

    I know I was born at night, but it wasn’t last night… something does not fit

    Now observation 2 – in the USA today article River say’s she is a friend of Casey, her and the loon with the cheap sunglasses are shown together which makes me shutter at what Kathy B may have dived head first into.
    But any way, I digress, so does this mean if River is the mistress Georgie was poppin Casey’s gal pals?
    Or did they find love in some deserted parking lot while Georgie was panning for money?
    Or was that how they got around Cindy, Oh honey one of Casey’s friends is stopping by later????

    WHY would she give him 5 grand?

    Now, lets look at the investigators told her ”he had taken money from other women as well”
    Sorry but unless the investigator was D. Casey Or Hoover, I just have to throw a time out here, Flag the field and issue a penalty.
    Do you honestly see Detectives from L.E making a statement such as this?

    Okay the name game, is she River Cruz, River Allen, River Behaida, or Krystal Rivers?

    Now, River ??? Is a young Latino gal in her prime, she has money to toss around, and judging from Skyes friends list and post we can assume they are from much different worlds than Georgie, can we agree on that?

    Do you see River???? Setting home watching cooking shows with this poor white trash gray haired ol fart who can not rub two dimes together that he does not gamble away?
    We could use our imaginations about what he may or may not bring to the table as far as a lover okay, with the inventions of those little magic blue pills, but can we just leave that door closed please?

    Maybe she has a daddy complex, we know she can’t be looking for a sugar daddy, not in Georgies drawers anyway.

    All in all I have to stick to my “I have bad vibes” statement and have to wonder who has been placed squarely in an Anthony trick sac?

    Sure hope the Anthony’s house payments are not going to be made from this story.
    We know they hate Kathy, we know they are sleezy, and it concerns me that no other media has touched this story.

  667. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Ya Betcha Judy,

    You are cooking on all four burners. I think we should put this story in the oven and burn it.

  668. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Yo Elf,

    My social media network connection seems to be out of order. Maybe you got control of the clicker and are watching re-runs of Desperate Housewives. :lol:

  669. tootie said, on March 13, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Are you all not missing the obvious. We all know the the Anthony’s are hurting for cash. Do you really believe that Kathi would have gone with this story without being dead sure. Can we say liable, law suit, money for the Ant’s if this is hooey. God knows the have enough lawyers in waiting. Which also makes one wonder who is paying for all these legal eagles. This bunch can sniff out a few green backs thousands of miles away.

  670. BEES KNEES said, on March 13, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    judy, I can see LE telling her she wasn’t the only one (to give George money) when they questioned her. I’m sure they would have been vague and not mentioned numbers or names but if they’re trying to build a case out of it what would be wrong in telling her she wasn’t alone?

    More and more bloggers are questioning this story and it’s good that we don’t accept anything at face value right away. The only thing we can know for sure is that one way or the other there’s deception going on with an Anthony sitting smack dab in the middle of it. We just don’t know if it’s willingly or unwillingly.

  671. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Silverspnr said: { Mar 13, 2010 – 12:03:53 } » Valhall said: { Mar 13, 2010 – 08:03:05 }
    [Unread Comment]

    Wow – Lyons may be leaving. But I do not believe she would leave without first working with Baez to find a Florida DP qualified attorney to replace her. I don’t think she’ll do anything to jeopardize Casey’s defense is what I’m saying, but going from pro bono to money out of a pocket is a different thing.

    ****************************

    Just read this at HinkyMeter..what? Did I miss something or is it a rumor?

    Because of the JAC’s severe concern with Casey’s being indigent & the upcoming hearing with Judge Strickland where thye JAC will attend & fight against Lyon’s out of town travel expenses?

  672. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    LOL! No Nic, connection is working, but we’re simply paused for commercial, so I was channel-surfing. We will return you to your regularly scheduled program shortly.

    Heroes, Silver retracted it farther down the thread. Or rather, she clarified it. More of a theoretical IF Andrea won’t pay her own costs out of pocket, then she will have to get another DP qualified lawyer to replace her on the case.

    I’m going on record now saying, “I believe this story and that thee is much more to it.”

    You can all get the hammers and hoses after me later if I turn out to be wrong.

  673. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    lollipop said: { Mar 13, 2010 – 02:03:29 } I found two very interesting tweets at the following twitter account. This is the twitter for River. It appears she is adding posts today also…..

    http://twitter.com/RiverC01

    OH AND CA~YOU ARE NO WALLFLOWER YOURSELF!!
    8:17 AM Feb 22nd via web

    iITS SAD WHEN YOU BELIEVE IN SOMEONE SO MUCH AND FIND OUT THEY WERE ALL FULL OF LIES AND DECIET~THANKS GA
    8:16 AM Feb 22nd via web
    ****************************************

    Found this on another site, River is twittering.

  674. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Name River Cruz

    Location ORLANDO FL

    EVERYBODY HAS MADE MISTAKES!!! EVERYBODY!
    about 3 hours ago via web

    http://twitter.com/RiverC01

  675. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Connection restored, Nic.

  676. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    Craig – do we get a wink & a nod if I am close? ;)

    I don’t think any of the other FL stations are running with this story as I believe all of them are waiting for the Defense to be officially notified that the investigation is complete – then they’ll all scramble to drop shoes, boots, flip-flops and sneakers all over the place.

    I think either the State or LE gave out a head smack to WFTV late last night and said, “Nope, nope, nope – not yet you don’t.”

    The State had to inform the court as soon as it was complete, and in turn the defense.

    Our toes might be cold and lacking in footwear for a few more days.

    I’ll settle for a fresh cup of coffee and a cookie to keep me company while we wait for the shoe. How about a hint on what kind of shoe, Craig? Will it be a funky doc martin? Racy runners that make you jump as high as Superman? Cowboy boots? Over-the-knee black leather Dominatrix boots?

    I have a shoe fetish – I could do this all night.

  677. BEES KNEES said, on March 13, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    No, Heroes, Silver clarified his/her comments (below):

    + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +

    Silverspnr said: { Mar 13, 2010 – 02:03:52 } HOLD THE PHONE!

    I did not say Lyon was leaving!!
    I was responding to a comment by Val.

    I said IF–for the SAKE OF ARGUMENT– she WISHES to leave, she canNOT do so UNTIL another DP qualified criminal defense attorney is on board, etc, etc.

    An attorney canNOT simply walk away from a case. There are rules of professional conduct which govern when an attorney MAY be PERMITTED (by the JUDGE) to WITHDRAW from representation.

  678. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    No accident…never believe that…ever. Accidently triple tape a baby’s mouth…nose….the day after a knock down drag out fight with Mom trying to choke you for stealing from the grandparents.

    If George told this to River, he was lying. To her & maybe himself. But he knows the truth..man up you little sniveling rat & tell the truth! This is becoming an embarressment to the state of FLfornot charging the anthonyso with obstruction, tampering, lying under oath.

    Now the taxpayers have to foot the baby killers bills, when will enough be enough?

  679. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Elf,

    Me too but I will settle for these:

    http://www.bootbarn.com/itemview/view/view/view/view/9335/last_updated/All/All/All

  680. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Nic,

    Nice, but I think you need to add spurs?

  681. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Thanks Bees I saw the clarification after myself. I guess it’s a what if, since that JAC is expressing ‘severe concern’ about Casey being indigent. Wonder if it has something to do with FL taxpayers outrage? Bbl..after walking dogs. My spellings a mess today dogs distracting jumping on me to walk, cats fighting, gotta go..lol.

  682. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    Heroes,

    “Now the taxpayers have to foot the baby killers bills, when will enough be enough?”

    How do you think the people of the State of Florida are going to feel when the indigent George and Cindy Anthony ask for their court appointed attorneys?

  683. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    It boils down to this imo: How did an ‘indigent defendant’ already pay over $100,000 to her high profile, non public defender attorney? How can someone bhe able to pay that, then claim indigent?

    Most people could not shell out that kind of money, especially an indigent criminal. Something is very, very wrong with our justice system if this is unchallenged by JAC or wimpy Judge Strickland.

    Yeah yeah, I know he ‘wants to be fair’ so no appeals or retrials, but come on he’s absolutely paranoid in his decisions as of late. Slam that gavel down, use your authority get this trial moving & put some of these lowlifes with their time wasting motions, lies & cover-ups in their friggin place, just disgusting…3 years to try a skanky baby killer..never heard of such a thing.

    The Anthonys are not special…got it Florida.

  684. BEES KNEES said, on March 13, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    Skye is on Hinky’s blog right now answering questions. The site keeps crashing cause there’s so much traffic there right now.

    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/

  685. frankie said, on March 13, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    Mar 12, 2010:

    And how does Thoughts post from above fit?

    BOWLES, KALANI AARONCHRISTO
    Black
    Gender: Male
    Date of Birth: 08/05/1991
    Date Booked: 03/12/2010
    Giving False Name Adversely Affect Another FHPD10OFF022095
    Driving While License Suspended (dwls) FHPD10OFF022095

    Same guy?? looks like him! False Name?????? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

  686. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    Heroes,

    Casey got 200K for the pictures and 20K from ABC. Of that money, 110K has been accounted for and the rest I am sure has been spent as well which Baez will have to disclose at the hearing on the 18th. Casey is indigent. She doesn’t have a pot to piss in nor a window to throw it out of. It will cost well over a million before this is all done. This is not unusual in Florida or most states for that matter. It is what it is. 220K is a mere drop in the bucket at this point. This is just the beginning and there is a very long way to go.

    This case is disgusting because of the family involved and the notoriety it has created. It is that disgust that has people outraged more so than the money. The Anthonys are not special by any means but this about Casey and her killing Caylee. Sadly the system is designed to give her the same rights you and I would have under the same circumstances. Certainly if Casey had anything she would be paying for her defense but she doesn’t. That is something everyone has to live with.

  687. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    Heroesfan: here’s trivia that you might find interesting

    People v. Simpson

    The REAL DREAM TEAM.
    Robert Shapiro
    F. Lee Bailey
    Johnnie Cochran
    Alan Dershowitz
    Robert Kardashian
    Barry Scheck
    Peter Neufeld
    Gerald Uelmen
    Carl E. Douglas

    Simpson’s defense was said to cost $3+ million.

    from opening to closing statements 150 witnesses gave testimony in 8 months.

    At 12:05 a.m. on June 13, 1994, Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman were found fatally stabbed outside Brown’s condo.

    Simpson booked at 11 a.m. on June 17.

    Superior Court Judge Kathleen Kennedy-Powell ruled on July 7 that there was ample evidence to try Simpson for the murders.

    In October 1994, Judge Ito started interviewing 304 prospective jurors, each of whom had to fill out a 75-page questionnaire.

    On November 3rd, 12 jurors were seated with 12 alternatives.

    the trial began on January 25, 1995

    The trial was covered in 2,237 news segments from 1994 through 1997.

    At 10:07 a.m. on October 3, 1995, the jury returned a verdict.

    Now, consider that this was a Double Murder case, with thousands upon thousands of pages of evidence.

    We have to ask, WHY is it taking 3 years to bring Casey to trial?

  688. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Judypc, exactly I remember the OJ fiasco & thinking that it took forever. As you say a double homicide, what gives here. Is Florida so afraid of losing this case they are acting afraid of moving forward? What gives here.

    I found an interesting article that supports Florida’s paranoia of Casey & the Anthonys & why the state may be afraid of them & petrified of losing this case. I’m going to find it then come back with an excerpt & the link.

    Disgusting that the Anthonys are running rough shod over EVERYONE & not a damn thing is being done to punish them.

  689. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    BEES KNEES

    I have faith that Kathy B went into this with some caution, I just know how sleezy the Anthony’s are and all that seem to be connected to them.

    And I have Noooo problem seeing George as a pig that would take a womens money, egads Cindy has been his meal ticket now for years.

    I do think the story has punch, but it as well has some holes that need to be filled.

    The only thing I have settled in my mind is maybe the cruise was the last straw for this gal, maybe George promised her a nice cruise, hell maybe her 5 thou paid for it.

    Maybe Cindy found dumb-wads tickets and he had to cover his arse, and a nice lovers getaway became the trip down the rabbit hole.
    WHO knows, something set this latin lover off the deep end for sure.
    Now its paddle as fast as you can the sharks are circling!!!

    Or as my daddy use to say Ol George is up Chit creek without his paddle….

  690. frankie said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    I must agree with No Nic….as annoying as it is that we have to pay for her defense, she is entitled to representation. Now I don’t know how it works that she has spent all her cash, theoretically, already, but I am betting that she has. I do not object to paying for her an attorney, I object to having to pay baez. If we have to furnish an attorney, IMO it should be a PD or, really I think baez should be forced to continue to represent her and he should be paid what a PD would be paid. His billable hours/expenses should be tallied up and deducted from the +/- 100k he has already been paid and the balance should be applied to future billable hours/expense, then he should be paid by taxpayers. I am thoroughly disgusted by the obnoxious white trash anthonys, HOWEVER, we are required by law to furnish her an attorney. If baez withdraws now, it will cost a lot to get a PD up to speed. Since he took the case, with full knowledge that she could not pay him his normal fees, he should accept what she can pay or what the State would normally pay.

  691. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    People v. Simpson

    The REAL DREAM TEAM.
    Robert Shapiro
    F. Lee Bailey
    Johnnie Cochran
    Alan Dershowitz
    Robert Kardashian
    Barry Scheck
    Peter Neufeld
    Gerald Uelmen
    Carl E. Douglas
    ****************

    Isn’t there some kind of karma, curse that supposedly afflicted most of OJ’s dream team? Deaths, suicides of children, bad health, finanicial trouble, bad luck? Maybe no bad deed goes unpunished.

  692. frankie said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    Whatever it is….I haven’t stopped laughing at the clown show yet!

  693. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Heroesfan:

    I was drawn to the OJ case because of one name, F. Lee Bailey OMG he was my hero, my dream was to become a lawyer just like him, alas it was not to be.

    A few years ago I had the pleasure of meeting Barry Scheck our team was working a Texas death row case, one we won btw and not with the help of Ms. Lyons.

    Anyway, I met him at an awards dinner, and I was completely taken aback by Scheck, he at first impression reminds you a bit of Colombo, but my God, what a mind that man has for the law and for “Justice”

    I suppose my regard for lawyers like Bailey & Scheck and the other members of the one and only Dream Team is why I cringe when I hear Team Jose’ called a dream team, on their very best day they could not shine the shoes of the lawyers on that team.

    Scheck gives untold hours of his labors away to those that are left with only a prayer, his work in DNA boggles the mind.

    Team Jose’ will never understand what true Lawyer-ing really is, they do not have the heart for it, they just have a desire for fame.

  694. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Casey Anthony Trial Is A Taxpayer Ripoff

    Posted by Mark Hutcherson at 12:50 AM

    Wednesday, March 03, 2010

    If Florida prosecutors cannot win a conviction against a person like Casey Anthony, then they should be voted out of office for incompetence. In a strange sort of way, the people in the prosecutors office seem to be scared to death that if they take a defendant like Casey Anthony to trial and they somehow lose, they will pay a big price for that loss on election day.

    If that is what they are worried about, I would tend to agree that no one would vote for a prosecutor again if they let Casey Anthony walk free on murder charges.

    That said, the time for Casey Anthony’s day in court is long overdue and judging by the lack of confidence the current prosecutor must place in his or her case, I am concerned that Casey Anthony could walk free because of that lack of confidence on the prosecutors part.

    full article:

    http://mhutch.blogspot.com/search/label/Casey%20Anthony%20News%20Updates

    *****************

    This opinion of why it’s taking over 3 years to try & hopefully convict one baby killer rings the truest to me. The Anthony’s & the high profile case of a murdering little whore & her grifter clan has the State Of Florida shaking in their boots.

  695. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    frankie,

    The only flaw, and I don’t mean this to be critical in your comment is that if Baez withdraws I believe it would be an invitation for Casey to appeal for ineffective assistance of counsel. As some of us who think that Judge Strickland should move this along faster, I think that he is doing all he can to get an unblemished trial for Casey with no grounds for appeal. I think that JS has covered and will continue to cover Baez’ rear end so he doesn’t make a fatal mistake.

  696. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Unfortunately Heroes, it really isn’t to the best benefit if the Anthony’s were to be charged and convicted before Casey’s trial. That is a really slippery legal slope.

    So many share the disgust you feel with the family and the whole set of crazy circumstances that surround this case, but… if we keep our eyes on the goal of justice, especially for Caylee, then we just have to take a deep breath.

    It’ll get there. It’ll cost a lot. It won’t go as quickly or as cheaply as we want it to, but the best end result is a really clean conviction. That may mean that appropriate punishment for the Anthonys will have to wait a while.

  697. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    Well done fair elf, well done.

  698. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    Deep breaths, it’s my break time again. Need a few days away from this case, I keep saying that then something crazy happens like george’s alleged adultery & ‘they suck me right back in’ lol.

    I’m disgusted, po’d, enraged, sympathetic to all who’ve been victims of the Anthonys. All sorts of emotions so yes I’ll bbl hopefully in a week or so & clear my mind of this ever maddening injustice being allowed to continue by the state of florida.

    Idigent criminal who can afford to pay $100,000 to her attorney, lmfao..I’m not indigent but I can’t afford that with ready cash..what a joke… can’t wait for the decision on that after the March 18 or 19th hearing with ‘fair Judge Strickland..and he is to a fault!

    Caylee’s in a better place then being raised by the poisonous leeches who were supposed to protect her. They failed miserable & now she’s become this cottage industry for the blood suckers.

    See you all later!

  699. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    You jinxed me, Nic. Ever since you talked about connections earlier today, Gmail now hates me! I keep getting a previously never-encountered error. grr

    I am blaming you, you know. :)

  700. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    Heroesfan:

    I know Shapiro & Dershowitz lost family members and Johnnie Cochran passed away.

    I do not know that Karma played a part as pay back for the OJ case.

    While 99.9 percent of the population believes he got away with murder he has not gotten away so cleanly.

    The defense of the dream team was on point, they brought their A-game into court and walked away the winners.

    I always thought the trial could be summed up with The State of Ca. put the jury to sleep they went on endlessly with DNA and forensics that they shot out of a cannon when all they needed was a shot-gun.

    Johnnie woke the jury with the glove “IT DOES NOT FIT, YOU MUST AQUIT”
    And wearing that silly sock cap.

    And Barry brought DNA down to the level of the average person, he did not shoot over their heads.

    The jury liked the men standing before them on the defense team, they were not over inflated ego’s or whinny wimps, what ever else one thinks about OJ. You have to put that aside and admit there was some damn fine lawyers on that case and they deserve respect.

    See, you can not define the defense lawyer by their client, every person accused has the right to a fair trial, they have the right to justice.
    The sad thing is, Justice has been divided by a line of RICH V POOR, in a perfect world we could all have at our disposal a dream team, but sadly that is not the case.

    Many defendants walk into court with an over worked PD, often times he/she is lacking experience and often overwhelmed.

    When I pick apart Jose’ it is not because I dislike Casey, far be it, I simply see his arrogance and his failings as something deplorable, he has set himself up as her defender, her life is on the line, and I see him playing silly games.
    And that angers me to no end, perhaps because he acquired that dream, and he does not see it as something of honor.

  701. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    When I pick apart Jose’ it is not because I dislike Casey, far be it, I simply see his arrogance and his failings as something deplorable, he has set himself up as her defender, her life is on the line, and I see him playing silly games.
    And that angers me to no end, perhaps because he acquired that dream, and he does not see it as something of honor.

    ———————————————————————————
    ^ Wish I had written that. Very well stated.

  702. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Craig?

    If we can’t have the whole darn shoe yet, may we please have a shoelace to chew on at least?

    TYIA.

  703. frankie said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Nic-agreed. I don’t want baez to withdraw. IMO he is the best attorney for casey. I am afraid that a PD would be competent! LOL Seriously, I think he should be forced to continue his representation of casey anthony and be paid the rate a PD would make. He knew when he took on this case that the anthonys could NOT pay him these exorbitant fees. I think he did just what he set out to do….milked the situation for as much money as he could up front knowing that the State would be forced to pay the bills later on down the road.

    I do not, however, agree that lyons should be paid by the State to continue. That position should go to an in-state DP qualified attorney. I personally would rather see the State take the DO off the table in favor of LWOP since that would speed things up and cost far less in the long run. I do, however, think there should never be an opportunity for parole. IMO casey anthony is a danger to anyone she comes in contact with…but I think that is true for everyone of them.

  704. frankie said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Very well said JudyPC. I agree that the jury identified with the defense in the simpson case, but I also think his celebrity status played a huge part in his acquittal. I also think some of the jurors failed in their duty to stand firmly for what they thought was right and allowed themselves to be cowed by other, more aggressive behavior. This has become commonplace in our society, IMO. That is how the anthonys in this world get by with the things that they do. We cave in the name of being politically correct, in the fear of being called outdated and ignorant. We as a nation are failing to stand for what we believe in. We are beginning to believe our detractors and to see ourselves as less than we are. When you stand for nothing, you fall for anything as the song goes.

  705. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    elf, does reasonablefaxcimilie ring a bell?

  706. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Judypc, honestly those defense attorneys sold their souls to the devil. they were going to aquit a dangerous wife beater turned serial killer come hell o0r high water & they did. Where does one draw the line as a defense attorney. I know it’s win at all costs for these dream team type lawyers but not in my eyes. When you defend someone like OJ then he goes free to b eat more women, break more laws, or a lying piece of trash baby killer like Casey Anthony what’s the difference?

    You are scum & will answer to a higher authority one dqay.

    I have a feeling that just because being a lying cheat who helps criminals get away with their crimes is your job, that won’t be enough of an excuse to your maker, you are still a major sinner who hurts the innocent to protect the evil!

    I’m not religious, but believe we will all have to answer for our sins some more than others like Casey & any lowlife sleaze bag attorney who represents her. Bill Sheaffer wouldn’t defend her or OJ he set some standards of ethics for himself & is selective in not defending evil, the devil on earth.

  707. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    Johnny Cochran made me want to vomit. If the glove doesn’t fit, you must…well you know. Now days I doubt if that would work in court. thankfully we’ve come a long way with forensics, DNA, and I would thin that someone else could have yanked that glove away from Cochran & easily stretched that glove to fit…duh!

    How in the hell was Cochran allowed to get away with that transparent, idiotic ploy? How stunningly stupid & naive were the jurors, what rock were they found under and is it possible to find any 12 jurors as stupid in our lifetimes again??

  708. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    ThoughtElf:
    Thank You.

    When other teen girls were screaming for the Beatles I was tucked away reading Baileys The Defense Never Rest.
    Crime, its Cause and Treatment, and Closing Arguments, by Clarence Darrow.
    Mercy I loved the law, defense law and the purest sense of what it entailed.

    I still see it as something hallowed and fierce, defense of justice can not be taken lightly, all of our lives depend on the civility of our laws and how we defend them.

    Guess I am still that dreamer of so long ago that gave her heart.

  709. frankie said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    Heroesfan: That is a question I would really like Mr. Sheaffer to answer!! I am betting that he would defend casey anthony if he thought that was the only way she could mount a defense. I don’t think he would like it. Judging only from his public persona, I think it would go against his personal beliefs, but I think he would do it if that were the only way she would be represented. I do NOT, however, think he would subvert justice and bilk the public for wasted $$$. I believe he would mount the best defense he could within the bounds of the law and his clients best interest.

  710. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Judy:

    Then you will probably enjoy the tone and accuracy in this article I read this morning.

    http://criminaldefenseblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/i-understand-elizabeth-cheneys-attack.html

    I’ve thought about posting on this thread several times today.

    Nic: I can see both bells – ultimately, they reside in the same bell-tower. I just can’t ring it back for some weird Google reason.

  711. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    I read Bill Sheaffer would not defend Casey nor use the tactics her lawyers have used, like framing Kronk, railroading Richard & Jesse Grund, Zenaida Gonzalez, etc. In Sheaffer’s bio it says he’s selective & takes no more than 10 to 12 clients at one time, mostly white collar from my memory.

  712. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    I was madly in love with the Beatles..lol..expecially Paul McCartney. still am he’s an animal rights activist & vegan, so am I & still very charming. I never thought about the law, never broke it except a couple of traffic tickets.

  713. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Meant when I was younger..no traffic tickets in years. I did drive very fast & usually talked myself out of trouble except twice when I was a teen doing over 100 mph in New Orleans. That’s the extent of my law breaking past.

  714. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Heroesfan:

    A defense Lawyer must look into the face of his client guilty or innocent and seek a way to best serve his/her client.

    In some case’s when they know their client faces a guilty verdict it is their job to try an
    fight for the best outcome.
    In a case such as Casey’s if ask I would be willing to bet most lawyers would have been at the states door trying to work a plea.

    We do not have to like the client, we can be angry at the crime, but we can not throw out the law.

    I would be willing to bet Bill Sheaffer has taken many case’s where his client was indeed guilty, a defense lawyer can not say I will only serve the innocent.

    If that were the case how would anyone receive a fair trial?

    Lawyers for the defense are they very ones that have bridged the gaps in our justice system, they are the ones that saw the flaws and took the system to task and formed the very system we have today, the protections you and I have promised to us.

    You and I as Joe citizen may see the idiocies in a case like OJ’s or Casey’s and we indeed see the flaws in a system that seems to coddle the criminal, and yes that is distasteful, but our justice system must serve us all if it is to work for any.

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  717. frankie said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    I am reminded of the story of Atticus Finch, eh Judy? Although, I don’t think for a second this client is innocent.

  718. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    FRANKIE.

    I LOVE TO KILL A MOCKING BIRD!!!

    But dare I say Jose’ is no Finch lol and Casey is farrrrrr from innocent.

  719. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    Robert Shapiro’s 21 year old son Brent has died from a drug overdose. Seems ironic what has happened to the “Dream Team”. Johnny Cochran and Robert Kardasian are dead. Lee Bailey has been disbarred and spent time in prison and is now dead.

    They made it possible for the murderer to play golf every day and steal cable……at least he is enjoying his life….can’t say the same for his lawyers.

    Update, OJ is in prison, finally but unrelated to the murders.

    News.yahoo.com

  720. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    This case shows the sleezy underbelly of all things bad with our system a piss poor excuse for a lawyer and a client that in the not so distant past would have met a short rope from a tall tree by an angry mob.

    And that family of hers would have been run out of town tarred & feathered after a good horse whipping, and they would have been followed by the dumb-butt lawyer.

    For sure they would not be setting there thumbing their snotty nose’s at the good citizens and the local lawman.

  721. frankie said, on March 13, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    Ha! It was the work that made me understand how important our right to representation is. That is why I said above that BS would indeed represent casey if that was the only representation available. I rather think our Mr. Sheaffer is a real life Atticus.

    Heroesfan: I agree with you that BS would never, ever conduct a case like baez has. IMO he would abide by the letter of the law.

  722. frankie said, on March 13, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    I am somewhat concerned that Gigolo jojo set up this “affair” to somehow….in a backward sort of way….create reasonable doubt? If so, it isn’t working, but I wouldn’t put it past him to try! I expect cindy to jump up and confess at any moment now.

  723. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    Neither will unless they get money out of it.

  724. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    frankie

    That is the point I have been trying to make, that the honor of the job lies within the hands and heart of the one Performing the task, to do the job with ability and talent is an art.

    And is pure wonder to watch it unfold, Jose’ lacks the ability to hold us in awe.

    We watch him and scratch our heads and wonder WTH was that ?
    All we feel is dissonance.

  725. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 12:02 am

    Good Night all don’t forget to Spring Forward!!
    ((((HUGS)))))

  726. Heroesfan said, on March 14, 2010 at 1:17 am

    Judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:35 pm Heroesfan:

    A defense Lawyer must look into the face of his client guilty or innocent and seek a way to best serve his/her client.

    ***************************

    Point taken Judypc, no disrespect to all lawyers they are a necessary evil! I think I’m just on an emotional rollercoaster with the latest anthony Shenanigans & may have come on too strong today. I really enjoy all your comments & information though we may slightly disagree on the OJ thing..lol.

    I think about my son & what a good pewrson he is. If he was ever accused of a crime I know in my heart he’d be innocent & I’d want the best defense attorney to represent him.

    They do defend the wrongly accused so we must have lawyers whether as a whole they are sort of going in the wrong direction, yet I’m sure their are still some noble ones left in the profession.

  727. Heroesfan said, on March 14, 2010 at 1:49 am

    Local Imbecile a Soul-Sucking Mooch, Shameless Pervert:

    -Orlando, FL-

    In a dramatic new twist in the never ending Casey Anthony saga, Orlando fool George Anthony has officially been exposed as both a parasitic mooch and brazen pervert. As followers of the ordeal are well aware, George, who sired accused murderess and sperm dumpster Casey Anthony, has been living off his insufferable gremlin-wife Cindy for the majority of their marriage.

    We all knew the former (very) part time rent-a-cop had the pleasure of spending most of his leisure hours tinkering with the family cars, cruising internet sadomasochistic porn and escort sites, and melting into the couch while digging for the world’s largest booger. Recent developments, however, reveal the true depths of George’s soul sucking whoredom and moochery.
    ___________________________________

    full article:

    http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/2010/03/13/local-imbecile-a-soul-sucking-mooch-shameless-pervert/

    EggTreeNews Blog
    Where the News Lands Sunnyside Up

    3/13/2010

  728. maynard payne said, on March 14, 2010 at 2:26 am

    Mr. Sheaffer,
    I read your article Cake and wondered, if the defense had opted to eat up time in appeals on the check fraud case, could the State have delayed the murder trial as well until the fraud case was resolved? And, if so under what circumstances. I also have a hypothetical question. At what point, if any would the time cease for either side to approach the other in order to broker a plea agreement?

  729. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 8:05 am

    It’s been said … the most maligned and despised …….. are defense attornenys ——— UNTIL ONE NEEDS ONE…. good morning all :-)

  730. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 8:06 am

    ————and No Nic…….. I followed your advice ….and it worked ……TY

  731. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 8:44 am

    Haz,

    Glad to be of assistance.

    ThoughtElf posted a link up-thread where this quote came from which I believe is quite poignant.

    “We are shameful for not recognizing that the essence of a lawyer is to stand up for a client – any client. Our system of justice is not based on providing counsel to those clients that we determine are worthy of such counsel.”

  732. ???????????? said, on March 14, 2010 at 8:53 am

    I come here to see what questions are asked to Bill Shaeffer, and see way too much blogging.
    Take it to topix, and get a life.
    This blog was NOT intened for chit chat.
    Grow up.
    If you have a legitimate question for Bill, fine, otherwise don’t waste the man’s time blogging.

  733. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:00 am

    Heroesfan:

    Thank you for that link, have mercy think that is the best report so far lol.

  734. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Heroesfan:

    Hey if everyone agreed all the time the world would be pretty drab.

    I do not think we in reality disagreed about OJ, the man or his guilt.

    I think maybe you took my appreciation of the talents and confident dream team as support for the client.

  735. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:20 am

    ????????????

    Well Good Morning to Sunshine, you if you look over to the right of the page you will see a page just for the questions, ( this is not that page) this is a Blog page we tend to do that, since that was what it was put here for.

    Now you have a nice day, try to find you’re smile, it’s a beautiful day.

  736. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:24 am

    My bad ???????????? look for the heading

    Submit Questions For Bill To Answer

    then you can ask questions read the questions to you’re hearts content.

  737. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:26 am

    judypc ————— you beat me to it……. :-)

  738. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:55 am

    craigatwftv said, on March 5, 2010 at 6:16 pm No Cake For Casey Thread

    Rs, yes, the post where Bill answered questions is totally open for discussion. Talk about his answers… talk about your new questions… go for it!

  739. Nom de Plume said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:16 am

    I enjoyed the article submitted by Heroesfan, and share the same feelings about Georgie. I have been buying into the River story, but the article raised a red flag. The article states she had photos. . . . . to support HER CLAIMS. Now, on various blogs, I have read that LE approached HER, according to the sister. She said she would never go to LE. Hopefully it is just a question of semantics. Any thoughts?

  740. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:23 am

    FYI — just finished reading a bit of an “interview” with ……. again …… the twin sister (who is 6 years younger :-) ) ——- on the another blog ….and the more I “learn” about his …. the stinkier it gets….. also went on the myspace pages — I feel its a sham/scam — would be most interested to learn REAL INFORMATION FROM THE PARTIES INVOLVED — SEE REAL PICS ….. KNOW what the lie detector test results are (even tho’ they not reliable) …. anyone else with me?

  741. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Hazaka:

    One of my bloggers also pointed out something that makes you go hummmm.

    Seems around Christmas Miss A River runs through it, made a post on her my-space saying “she did not have money to buy Christmas for her kids”

    Now that begs the question’s of…
    (1) where did the 5 grand she gave Georgie come from?
    OR (2) Did Georgie tap the well dry, and leave no money for the kiddo’s?
    AND (3) WHY would a mum give money to an ol geezer that should have gone for her Kiddo’s?

  742. nom de plume said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Judy PC – I also read that on her my space or twitter or tweet or some damn thing that she hinted about a heart problem and “didn’t have enough money yet for surgery”. hmmmmm

  743. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Do you think that now since one Georgie Porgie meal ticket has confessed their “love”
    Others will follow?

    Will they line up in the Publix parking lots under a tent to share their stories?

    And the other nagging question I have not seen addressed…..

    What does this say about Georgie Porgies actions while the Grand-daughter he professed to love with all his heart was laying in a wooded lot, he was not searching, he was not home with his Grieving family, he was out getting laid….

    SWELL GUY ain’t he?

  744. nom de plume said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:44 am

    If there are others, and they were scorned, lied to, taken advantage of or stood up, damn skippy they will come forward! That is just the thing to do these days.

  745. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:50 am

    nom de plume said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:38 am
    Judy PC – I also read that on her my space or twitter or tweet or some damn thing that she hinted about a heart problem and “didn’t have enough money yet for surgery”. hmmmmm
    ——————————————–
    Oh Gee — the “sister” said …… the femme fatale —aka her older twin, had/has cancer

  746. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Hummmm will there be an Orlando chapter of GAFFA
    (George Anthony Femme Fatale Anonymous)

    Wonder what their 12 steps might be?

  747. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Judypc,

    Do you really believe that this story about George’s affair has any legs at all? I just don’t see where George had time for this especially with the scrutiny he has been under. IF this is true, I don’t think that Dominic Casey would be the only one to know about it. This Skye person, the “source for the story” is of dubious character to say the least. I read where River has commented on a blog but that could very well be Skye posting that in her name as well. Did OCSD interview both Skye and River or just Skye? I am going to stay neutral on this one till I see more come out from “verified sources” and not the ramblings of of what appears to me to be a nutcase looking for her fifteen minutes of fame.

  748. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:06 am

    No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:57 am ———————- Yes, yes … and yes again!! Way too peculiar ……. need more specifics!

  749. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Nic.

    I think George is sneaky enough to slither away into the dark.

    I think there was an affair, but I have yet to make up my mind as to how it will effect the case, if at all.

    If in fact there are messages between them where George admits they knew Caylee was dead, then I have to ask, WHY is he still walking around a free man?

    Until we see the doc’s from LE I am keeping a healthy dose of doubt in my mind.

    Now, that leads to yet another question, gosh…

    When do those doc’s become public record?

  750. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:20 am

    “When do those doc’s become public record?”

    That begs the question, did in fact the OCSD really interview her or did that come from Ms Belich’s “Inside Source”?

  751. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:22 am

    No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:20 am
    “When do those doc’s become public record?”

    That begs the question, did in fact the OCSD really interview
    ————————————————————————————————-

    and “what are the docs” …… cell phone pix? Who has them ….. again, why is the younger twin doing all the “talking” ….. whre is the older twin?

  752. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Craig would you be so kind as to ask Bill for us

    What would be the stat of limitations on
    Obstruction & Accessory and after the fact.

    Would the A’s be in the clear at this point from being charged?

  753. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:28 am

    LOL Nic & Hazaka.

    Seems we keep coming up with questions and no answers….
    Mind numbing isn’t it. :-(

  754. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:31 am

    judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:28 am
    LOL Nic & Hazaka.
    ————————————–
    Yuup — just when things get as crazy as one who imagine….. another bit of insanity hits ….

  755. ThoughtElf said, on March 14, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Well, that was a constructive bit of rambling, wasn’t it?

    Lot of bitching – no content there about the case. Smacks of hypocrysy with a tinge of obsession?

    What’s your real issue? No original thought so picking apart others is your only option for self-fulfillment?

    Did someone forget to say good morning to you? Aww, Pookie. How sad to feel like you just can’t be part of it all unless jumping up and down – hoping for negative attention.

    Here you go. Wish fulfilled. Have a 152 ‘Thanks’ vote day.

  756. BEES KNEES said, on March 14, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    I’m not quite sure I believe this story. Half the time I do and half the time I don’t. I have no doubt whatsoever that George COULD have had the affair and easily found the time to do so. He was unaccompanied as he cruised around in the Caylee-mobile. And because this woman had been helping with the searches I don’t know if anyone would have been suspicious even if they saw them together. There’s just too many unanswered questions right now. And by the way, can we please have that “other shoe” now??? Maybe the red flags will be addressed with that. According to Skye, Cindy did not know about this until the media got it. At least that’s how I’m understanding it. I think we should check Google Earth and see if there are any dark clouds of smoke coming from the Anthonys today.

  757. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Elf.

    Excellent mon sage

  758. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Bees,

    As always you come through with a wholesome thought and a bit of humor. Will that be the right shoe or left?

    All six of us thank you for your post. :wink:

  759. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Bees.

    I wanted to wait until all the Thank -You’s were posted but OH WELL….

    I wonder how Miss River knows Cindy was in the dark?

    Maybe because she was not attacked by the wild hammer….

    Or Maybe Cindy knew, as most wives do, and just did not give a flying flip, the more time he spent by the River-side fishing gave her a sigh of relif….

    To say this story has ho’s is an understatement.. :-)

  760. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 12:36 pm
    ———————————————-
    “ho’s?????” This just may be the biggest HO HO HO on all of us ….. or just HO HUM ……

  761. ThoughtElf said, on March 14, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Great new article by JWG up on Hinky, explaining how to understand the ping maps they’d created:
    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1992

    Much experience and many bright minds have worked hard to bring factual evidence to the forefront.

  762. BEES KNEES said, on March 14, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Nic, aren’t you sweet? That’ll be left shoe please. LOL!

    Good point judy. How could she know Cindy was in the dark? She would have absolutely no way of knowing if George had confessed to Cindy or not. Hmmmmmmmm . . . many things to mull over, many unanswered questions.

  763. ThoughtElf said, on March 14, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Well, since at least one of us is male, and another is far, far from old – or a grandmother, it seems that indeed there ‘is nothing here’ for you to apply your own Sherlock sluethy skills to.

    Powers of perception are about as useful as your contributions to the discussion or questions here on Bill’s blog that you’re littering with trash in every consecutive post.

    And that’s the last time I’ll comment further on that.

  764. Diana said, on March 14, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    *Bees
    I feel the same as you do about the “affair”. Not buyin it. George was being followed 24/7 at the time she claims to have been with him. He was even nailed (no pun intended) in the wee hours fleeing from the makeshift memorial with Cindy in tow. I don’t know, and not sure I even care……unless it proves in some way that George knew what really happened long before Caylee was found.

  765. knight owl said, on March 14, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    I don’t think JS can cover Baez from making fatal mistakes. Baez has brought his client all the way to be up for the death penalty when he should have been convincing her to take a plea way back before Caylee’s body was found. Baez only has his own interest not is client’s but Casey is too dumb to see it. Baez wanted recognition in this high profiled case is my opinion.

  766. knight owl said, on March 14, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Hi Bees and Diana and everyone else here.

  767. frankie said, on March 14, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Make that 6 freaks posting please! :) Nothing really to add, at least right now, but I didn’t want to be left out of the census!

    ATTENTION TROLLS: I really don’t care what you say about the length of time people are here and yada yada yada….However, I am an old biddie and I would appreciate your finding some other derogatory term to use when ragging on bloggers. Old biddies need a little more respect please.

    PSSSST: I think everyone is entitled to express their thoughts on this matter, else Mr Moderator Craig would not hesitate to rattle our chicken houses. just sayin……

  768. frankie said, on March 14, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    My only question about the affair is simply…WTH would have an affair with george? He is a broke butt moocher, liar and ugly to boot. If there is a woman here who would really consider having an affair with this person, please raise your hand! I, for one, find him rather creepy…He gives me shivers and NOT IN A GOOD WAY. george has always just looked like a chester the molester type to me….no basis for that generalization, that is just the way he has always struck me.

  769. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Hi knight owl,

    I don’t think that Baez can convince Casey of anything much less taking a plea. I truly believe that she thinks she will get out of this minor predicament as she always has. Surely I jest but she has the narcissism to believe that in her own twisted mind. This new revelation about George is somewhat suspect and I think everyone wants to see more than just sound bites and an interview with someone who has only hearsay to testify to. They will never put this Skye on the witness stand as she only has hearsay evidence. If we knew her real name we could look up her rap sheet. So far I have found nothing. Do you know if Blink or Val has found anything about her?

  770. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    frankie, Craig won’t be in the office till Tuesday morning. I think that he will rattle the chicken house and I can only think of one CHICKEN that will fall out. That’s what I’m sayin’.

  771. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    been away for a bit —————– all I can say is ……….OYE VA VOY :-) What is up with some of our friends? Time change???? ;-)

  772. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    dondi said, on March 14, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    “you are spamming this blog.”
    =======

    And what do you call the above? Intellectual dialog about the Casey Anthony case? I hardly think calling the kettle black is the way to ingratiate yourself here. You are welcome to join in the conversation. We’ll be glad to give you fifteen minutes so you can get a word in edgewise.

  773. frankie said, on March 14, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    River Cruz …..Skye Benhaida (Zenaida)….Do these names sound real? LOL Sounds more like stage names to me….and that one picture reportedly of Skye looks like a quean!

  774. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Frankie:
    at the risk of the rath of Dondi and getting in their way and blocking all the 142 thank you’s and not allowing them to get a word in edge way.

    Been trying to figure out the name game for awhile now.

    Is she?

    River Cruz, River Allen, River Behaida, or Krystal Rivers?

    Seems she has an identity crisis going on, but I guess that is understandable since she is the oldest twin dang her momma must be in the record books somewhere too, she had twins 6 years apart, now thats some long labor……

  775. knight owl said, on March 14, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    Hi Nic, yea your correct. Where was my brain? Thanks for reminding me as your so right no one could have convinced Casey to take a plea for all the reasons you just said. She wouldn’t even listen to Papa George when he wanted to get rid of Baez and get her a new Lawyer way back in the very early days. Casey knows it all and she is going to do things her way come you know where or high water. I think she got just what she deserved in a lawyer myself so i hope Baez stays on the case. A public defender just might swing getting her off somehow. I also agree with you on this affair mess too. No i don’t know if Blink or Val has found out anything new on Skye either or her sister River. I cannot help but think Baez is involved in this somehow but i blame him for so much idiocy i could be wrong this ONE time. lol

  776. knight owl said, on March 14, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    The more i think on the affair mess i keep coming up with, if he had an affair Would George have actually picked a Latino to have an affair with? I know cindy doesn’t like them , i don’t think George disliked them, but somehow i just cannot picture George liking them in a sexual type relationship. He seems too old school for that way of thinking to me so i keep thinking it is a planned set up to try and prove doubt on Casey’s nanny story and too cause a great deal of confusion and i go also right back to Jose in the set up. Perhaps Skye is being payed under the table to tell this story. I have no faith that there has been no shadiness going on with Baez, Jill kerley and the ex grundled kronk wives for two reasons.

  777. knight owl said, on March 14, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    I think we should give the defense some holy water and see the results of it before we continue with George’s assumed women lova pals. sorry but i just can’t help myself today. lol

  778. Myrtle Beach said, on March 14, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    Hey y’all from self-professed Blog Spammin’ Freak No. 9 here (couldn’t resist the absurdity of it all).

    I can envision George as a cheater. I do think he was probably busted by Casey and she leveraged what she could with that info. I always thought her description of the Ghost-sitter was pretty close to what she looks like (in her twisted mind) and what she wishes she looks like. BUTT maybe, just maybe, George had a honey that resembled that description – maybe just maybe, he has a certain “type” of honey – who knows?

    As for the veracity of this River/Skye story that hit the airwaves at 5 pm on a Friday, I am reserving my judgment because the Howard Hughes Hoax keeps coming to mind. If, however, this story does prove to be true, then I will be more than glad to have been wrong (and I don’t say THAT very often).

  779. Diana said, on March 14, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Hi *Knight owl :)

    LOL Frankie……….EXACTLY my thoughts about George. Who would WANT HIM??? A married, lazy, lying, pansy. Everything I hate.!!!

  780. Huh? said, on March 14, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    Gigolo George

  781. Heroesfan said, on March 14, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Hey there! RiverC01 is using Twitter.

    River says-

    all the truth and tapes will be released on aire within the week~WHICH WILL PROVE EXACTLY WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG
    about 6 hours ago via web

    http://twitter.com/RiverC01

  782. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Heroesfan ———— so — who’s the “woman” … river or sky??? anyway ….. we’ll c …………. whatevah ————–

  783. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Judypc,

    I can’t find in the Orange County Clerk of Courts any combination’s of these names you listed: River Cruz, River Allen, River Benhaida, or Krystal Rivers. I am guessing that these are all alias’ or they are from Osceola or another County.

    Now I also checked Osceola as well and found nothing there either. :???:

  784. ThoughtElf said, on March 14, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    Still checking this out, but on a blog talk radio show tonight it was said that a ‘credible’ source says JB brokered the ABC deal to receive $700,000 AFTER the trial.

    Still reading notes. If this source really is credible, (which remains to be seen,) then perhaps this is the ‘other shoe’? It certainly would be big news on the heels of Casey filing for indigency.

    BTW, sorry to be late with obsessive spamming and my abject apologies for not sending up a BBL. ;)

  785. Sanny said, on March 14, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    I think the real queen here is Kalani in those willie wonka sunglasses.

  786. ThoughtElf said, on March 14, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    If there is any truth at all in this, this could almost guarantee an appeal.

  787. Sanny said, on March 14, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Why after all this time……does this come out now? If it happened 2years ago?

    Waiting for the other shoe to drop……but in the meantime, Thursday, G & C will be
    in court again…….and I’ll be looking carefully at George’s face to see if Cindy left any
    tell tale signs of abuse……LOL

  788. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    ThoughtElf,

    Which Blog Talk Radio? Not Simon Barrett I hope.

  789. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    OK not sure which freak number I am somewhere between 1 & 6 I think :razz:

    HUMMM, what if Skye has a split personality :twisted: and River is the Evil twin :evil:
    And with River having 4 aka’s Folks we could have a real live Sybil thang going on right before our very eyes :roll:

    So, does this mean Georgie in reality has 5, count em 5 other women to his credit all rolled into one :shock:

  790. ThoughtElf said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    I am glad to see I am not the only one having a Freak Identity Crisis! But, then I reviewed and feel so much better, as I am pretty sure I am #1 on the Freak list.

    Nic – not sure which show it was on, I was reading posts after the fact. I’m not sure what to make of it. There were a few parts mentioned that may be in the State’s depots with GA, CA &/or LEE, but we haven’t seen those yet.

    Judy – If it was 5, at a $1,000 a pop, I am sure he was hoping he could split her off into a few more. Way beyond twins. Thinking the Octo-Pop of Sybillettes? His own version of Geo & River + Eight?

    Wonder which name would be best on morning news shows or NG?

  791. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    Oh darn Elf, I was hoping to take the #1 spot on that list. If it was Simon and Jan Barrett on the Blog Talk Radio, you can take those two with a grain of salt.

  792. Huh? said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    CASEY ANTHONY: THE STATE OF INDIGENCY

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/03/15/watts-up-with-this

  793. ThoughtElf said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    Thanks, Huh. Will check if the audio is up yet.

  794. Huh? said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    Elf, your welcome! Yep it’s up, very Interesting!!

  795. frankie said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    OK ….now that george’s perverted little secret is out…cause if you look at the photo being plastered all over the web that is supposedly Skye, uh, she kinda looks a little masculine….who wants to discuss why we have not heard the results of the DNA test on george and who made that creepy silent video of Caylee where the camera was headed up her little legs? Creep!

  796. frankie said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    Elf: Maybe the 700k story is real, baez realizes the gig is up and it is not going to happen and then decided he best file for indigence status if he hopes to be paid anything?

  797. ThoughtElf said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    Frankie:

    Not sure. I’m still trying to sort this out. Strickland ruled in March 09 that there was no violation regarding finances. But, wasn’t it shortly after that when he filed a complaint against JB? And did we ever see the basis of the complaint? Or was it related to DC saying JB told him not to call 911 if he found Caylee’s remains in the woods?

    I’ve always thought that JB has had some squirrely, unethical financial dealings, but every time someone tries to nail him, it seems as if he’s covered his behind too well to get caught.

    If this ‘evidence’ is in one of the State depos, it might be worthy of note, because we haven’t seen Lee, Mallory, George or Cindy’s State depos. It might even pass the hearsay sniff test.

    I don’t confuse the indigence status with JB’s fees at all. They aren’t going for fees paid, they want costs/expenses paid for expert testimony, depositions, travel, etc. From the sounds of things, JAC is already saying they won’t pay for out-of-state travel (i.e. Andrea Lyon & her pal Mort,) per their existing rules & guidelines.

    I would love to see JB get sanctioned for some of his behaviors, but I am almost hoping this $700,000 deal isn’t true, as it makes more of a mess of the case, and opens further doors for appeal. Aside from the fact that is is pure blood money.

  798. Huh? said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    The news media can now ask to have the march 24th unsealed..in order to find out where them money came from now because of the Indigent filing so it was said on the link at 9:49 pm

  799. ThoughtElf said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    What time does the spammer/freak posting curfew start? Which time zone? Do we account for Daylight Savings Time? So confused, but I’ll risk a response to HUH and hope for the best.

    I watched that hearing again a while ago. Ashton & LDB were certainly trying to get to the truth about the finances. Who knows how much JB used wiggle-room behind closed doors in camera?

    I was wondering if the JAC might also have the ability to get the March 24 unsealed? They have a much bigger dog in the fight now than the media do. I was also interested that the indigent motion was filed incorrectly.

    Either way, I expect judge Strickland will take some action to get a full accounting. The indigent status request didn’t pass muster right away, thus this week’s hearing. This has been a rough week for the defense, when you include the stellar whipping that Mark NeJame handed JB in his last motion response. That was a nice piece of lawyering.

  800. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    13 minutes to go before I am accused of being an insane inane blogger, dim witted blabbermouth, same 5 freaks can’t stop, fruitcake who coopt the blog, and last but not least just some old biddie playing sherlock holmes and making a fool of myself AGAIN. :lol:

  801. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    Oh, and I forgot to add, and post 30 plus comments per day until the wee hours of the night. Now ain’t that hoot. :smile:

  802. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 12:58 am

    WOW! LEE FINDS ESOTD ONE WEEK AFTER SHE LEFT…
    hawaiicalls Today at 4:41 am

    .Rozzie ” Lee did find Casey one week after she had not been seen by the family , he found her , drunk and partying in a Fat Tuesdays club. He asked her where Caylee was, and according to the witness, Casey said Caylee was with friends. He did not call the police ! The police were not called for several more weeks!

    This is in a deposition, I have my source, this will come out in trial! This is absolutely one hundred percent true. What happened during those three weeks? What did the Anthonys know and were they trying to cover this up?!”

    Host” Wow, I hadn’t heard that before”.

    Update: After the show Mr. Hornsby expanded on Rozzie’s remarks, “As for Rozzie’s statements about Lee, she is referring to a statement Lee Anthony supposedly gave to law enforcement pursuant to a grant of use immunity that his lawyer negotiated. I do not believe this “statement” has been released yet.

    If I understood her correctly, she was implying that Lee had confronted Casey a week after Caylee was last seen; thus the family had known for at least three weeks that Caylee was missing. Which would explain why Cindy told Casey “we have given you over a month” to find Caylee.”.
    hawaiicalls

    http://justice4caylee.forumotion.net/links-for-news-f13/hornsby-s-latest-opinion-t5462.htm

    ****************************

    Could this be the other shoe about to drop?

  803. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 2:23 am

    I’m not a Hornsby fan but Rozzi Franco & he have good chemistry & make so many good points with radio host Steph Watts.

    They discuss reasons why Judge Strickland may wimp out at this Thursday’s court hearing & gloss over Baez’s unethical deals one a possible ($700,000 deal) with ABC.

    Hornsby says Lyons forced Baez to claim Casey indigent.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/03/15/watts-up-with-this

  804. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 3:08 am

    Rozzi & Hornsby discuss an ABC cover up involving Kathi Belich who works for ABC. Deflecting from the indigency hearing by expoxing & covering what amount to up a meaningless affair…hmmmm?? What do you guys think?

    Belich who I admire usually goes after Baez klike a pit bull, Casey’s indigency hearing should be “the big news” so what does Belich do, deflect from what should be the biggest bombshell to interview ‘the sister’ of George’s alleged mistress who claims George says it was an ‘accident that spiraled out of control’ something is very fishy.

  805. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 3:14 am

    I’m not sure about anything anymore, but it seems like the media is controlling this case lately. ABC paying $700,000 to Baez after trial is very shady imo & from what I understand against the bar’s ethics & rules. Rozzi Franco says her very reliable source says it’s true & Baez has some shady dealings he’s trying to hide.

    Belich was my hero, but now is shej backing off of the real important development, $$$ the hearing on Casey being indigent…to protect ABC who bottom line is her boss??

    Sorry Dondi, this no life blogger, wanna be sleuth is posting in the middle of the night again, you don’t have to read it.

  806. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 3:18 am

    One more thing, a news, media outlet can request the March 24th finance payment information to be unsealed now, why haven’t they? Since Casey is indigent, Baez has no right to keep it sealed.

  807. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 3:27 am

    Sorry guys, one more thought..what if jurors lie to get on the jury? To make blood money after the trial like everyone else seems to be trying to do? Or for their own dishonest agenda, like freeing a baby killer?

    That’s just an awful thought but I wouldn’t put it past people, this case has gotten so out of control. The only person who can reign it in is Judge Strickland, let’s hope he does.

  808. Scotswoman said, on March 15, 2010 at 6:07 am

    Heroes

    I istened to the radio show and FWIW here is my take on it

    Rozzi Franco imo has never broken anything of significance in this case, unlike Bellich.
    Her story about a pot of 700K in not new. Rewind to the hearing on just this matter where the Judge ruled (after specific questioning), emphasis on….. that NO conflict exists.

    http://www.wftv.com/news/19002037/detail.html

    If Baez lied to the Judge, not only would it result in immediate removal from the case but I would suspect immediate disbarrment.

    Re Hornsby’s infterence that JS may whimp out, Hornsby must have missed that JAC assistant general counsel Christian D. Lake wrote in his filing. “the JAC has severe concerns regarding the Defendant’s indigency”

    I would suspect that a represenative of the JAC will be present at next week’s hearing. I have no doubt JS knows the ball park figure discussed at the “No Conflict” hearing and will want every dollar accounted for before giving the green light for tax payers to pick up the tab. This Judge is way too smart to “gloss over” anything.

    As to the “affair” story, regardless of its veracity….. imo, though titilating, and showing George Anthony in a very poor light, ultimately it will have NO bearing on the murder trial.

    What interests me more……..is WHAT were OC detectives investigating that may have led them to a kidfinder’s searcher, former Anthony groupie who possibly got in the sack with old George.

    Interesting that Hornsby says (paraphrasing)….. I think Casey will be found guilty of something but not first degree murder……………wtf

  809. Scotswoman said, on March 15, 2010 at 6:35 am

    Heroesfan said

    Belich was my hero, but now is shej backing off of the real important development, $$$ the hearing on Casey being indigent…to protect ABC who bottom line is her boss??

    ———————————————————-
    Wel,l I dont see Bellich as a hero, I do see her as a tenacious reporter who would have the sense to check her sources before going to press.

    Wasn’t WFTV the news outlet that brought the ABC deal out in the first place. An if Hornsby’s theory held water, wouldnt it be better to hold back the “affair” story till or around the hearing date set for the indigency matter.

    Ok So Kathi Bellich is putting out there a story which if totally unfounded coud result in the Anthony’s laying a big fat defamation suit on WFTV

    And in doing so she diverts attention from the real story?. Nah I dont think so.

    Well Bellich may be good but I doubt she coud have determined WHEN detectives went a calling on George’s alledged mistress.

    imho, she got the headsup and ultimatley scooped a story that George may have been playing away from home. The “accident that snowballed” is not the story here imho…………………..and no cover up for ABC

  810. RS said, on March 15, 2010 at 7:31 am

    What is up with the implied stuff on Belich?

    Sentinel TV guy quoted the WFTV news director as the story was NOT a single source story….

    And it makes no sense to imply or accuse Belich of an ABC coverup…..she reported the ABC payment story…..back in the day…

    As to defamation, she reported a woman claims etc., etc.,

    and was there not a woman on your TV or computer monitor when you guys played the video reports or saw the broadcast claiming there had been had an affair? You know, just like Belich stated in her report…so where is the intent for defamation since there sure was a live woman right on your TV or monitor claiming exactly as reported by Belich?

  811. Hazaka said, on March 15, 2010 at 7:34 am

    I am always mystified how quickly people jump to conclusions ——- :-) Can’t we all just wait and see how things develop?

  812. ThoughtElf said, on March 15, 2010 at 8:46 am

    Ok, that is really creepy. Mostly inaccurate, and lacking in any real comprehension of facts.

    Flattered by the undue attention, but… that screams Cyber-Stalker.

    In a really creepy, crazy, obsessed kind of way.

  813. No Nic said, on March 15, 2010 at 8:47 am

    RS,

    I agree with you in spirit but if what Kathi reported turns out to be a false story? Then she is culpable as well for it is incumbent upon her to be sure of the facts first and foremost. I don’t know if this tabloid fodder or the real thing but a lot of folks think that there is something very smelly about this story and some of those folks have a brighter bulb than mine. I said up-thread that I thought KB “Jumped the Shark” on this one. We will see soon enough I reckon.

  814. judypc said, on March 15, 2010 at 9:42 am

    You can not convince me that Kathy B did this story as a cover, I am concerned that this lovers tale might be a red herring of sorts and Kathy B was targeted by jose’ & the A’s.

    As I have said, they hate her.

    I will find it interesting to see if any media source files to see those sealed records in regard to Jose’ and the money trail.

    “IF” what Hornsby had to say carries water then Jose’ would be looking for any way to shift the light away from his shady deals.

    And I do see this coming out as an issue after the trial when Casey is found guilty and setting in the BIG cross bar hotel.

    I believe Kathy B did not think Georges affair was “The Story” but that his pillow talk where he in fact knew Caylee was dead was what she deemed as important to the case and the gut of her story.

    We have all had a few laughs over the whole George getting giggy with his gal pal, and that I think is because we are just so dreadfully tired of the whole Queen & King Anthony spiel that anything that knocks them off their pedestal is hungrily absorbed.

    I would think it is time the citizens make their feeling known to the court and to the media that if tax payers are expected to foot the bill we expect nothing short of full disclosure as to Jose’ and what cookie jar his hands are in.

  815. Hazaka said, on March 15, 2010 at 9:44 am

    No Nic ————— I may be sleeping at midnight …. so ….. let me just do my affirmation now —- HELLO, MY NAME IS HAZAKA AND I’M A COMPULSIVE BLOGGER …. :-)

  816. judypc said, on March 15, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Nic thank you for the invite, I need to figure out which freak level I am, I know it is between 1 & 6 but dondi has never been clear about my leavel of freakness.

    Its really good to know they have stalked us in order to expose our sickness for blogging @ Bills.
    How would we have ever known our freakyness otherwise?

  817. No Nic said, on March 15, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Haz,

    So noted and as you, as old as I am, I will be sleeping well before that also but carry on as if I were there. :lol:

  818. sterling1462 said, on March 15, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Blog show host Steve Watts was working for ABC during the time that that Baez recieved funding.
    He has information but will not discuss what he knows. He states this in the last 10 minutes of this interview.
    State has not asked him…. but he does information and unless he is approched by JAC he will not disclose.
    Keep in mind he stated early in this interview….
    drum roll……BOMBSHELL….
    Steve Watts states that he has heard it is much more than 200,000
    then he lets the lady to say its from ABC…. and he does not correct her….. 200,000 up front and 700,000 to Baez after the trial.
    Steve Watts is sitting on information but has not been approached by the JAC.
    Someone from Florida has to inform JAC about Steve Watts. BEFORE THE HEARING ON THURSDAY.

  819. judypc said, on March 15, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Heroesfan:

    I was asking about Cindys statement on the 911 call right after I heard it.
    When she thought she was being transferred and not being recorded.

    That is why I think team Jose’ wants the calls thrown out.

  820. No Nic said, on March 15, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Judypc,

    I think that this is a case of an unrequited love thang. I hesitate to think that George is THAT stoooopid, given the scrutiny he has been under. I wouldn’t blame him for cheating on the Green Eyed Devil but holy crap batman, that would be intellectual suicide for him.

  821. Huh? said, on March 15, 2010 at 10:39 am

    No Nic, ahhh thank you! I thought his voice was deep for female :lol:

  822. No Nic said, on March 15, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Huh? said, on March 15, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Mine is too but don’t tell. :wink:

  823. BEES KNEES said, on March 15, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Where’s the spam? I don’t see any spam. Am I spam? Are we fighting?

  824. nom de plume said, on March 15, 2010 at 11:55 am

    OK, here’s some spam. Hi Bees. Why do I think of Nasonex when I see your avatar?☺

  825. BEES KNEES said, on March 15, 2010 at 11:59 am

    Heroes, I’m not a fan of Hornsby either ever since he went after Bill S. is such a low-classy manner. You know we all love Bill so much and we are vigilant in our defense of him. Like, how DARE anyone go after him!!! AS IF!!!! LOL! But, I think the blog radio piece from last night is definitely worth a listen. He hit on a couple things I’d not thought of.

    Good point, Scotswoman. Re: “the JAC has severe concerns regarding the Defendant’s indigence.” And re: Kathi Belich ~ she’s another one we love. My heart will be broken if she’s knowingly diverting attention from the real story. I just can’t believe that.

    Who’s the crazy Canadian? Judy? It could be me ~ I’ve got two out of three. Crazy? Check. Canadian? Check. Unemployed? No. I am employed. But kidding aside, do you live in Ontario, Judy? That’s where I am.

  826. No Nic said, on March 15, 2010 at 11:59 am

    This is a tweet by Rozzie Franco.
    # I have information in the Casey Anthony Case no one else has. 9:30 PM Mar 12th via web

    http://twitter.com/RozzieFranco

    Rozzie, what the hell do you know and when did you know it?

    Rozzie Franco Interview with Cindy Anthony. I haven’t read this before. It is worth reading. In the middle of this is a clip of a conversation between Lee and Casey. Then Kelly talks to Franco about the clip. Worth listening to.

    Transcript:
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,393262,00.html
    Video:

    Megyn Kelly interview with Rozzie Franco Again something I haven’t seen before.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/3909814

  827. No Nic said, on March 15, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    No Bees. it was not you dear. It was a personal attack against TE. It has been dealt with. Let’s drop it and move back into the case. I am hoping that R. Hornsby petitions the court to unseal the documents. There is no reason now not to. Craig, would it be a conflict of interest if Bill Sheaffer did it?

  828. BEES KNEES said, on March 15, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    I see. Thanks, Nic. Well we sure have enough to think about this week don’t we? If the affair has been brought to light or fabricated as a distraction from Thursday’s hearing we can’t let that happen. We need to focus on the important stuff ~ whether or not George Anthony is a gigolo, although juicy enough as gossip, has nothing to do with Caylee’s murder.

  829. judypc said, on March 15, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Bees:

    No I am a freak from Florida lol. :twisted:

    But Nic has started a new chapter for us so we can all get healed of our freakyness lol.
    We started out with just 6 of us on the freak meter.
    But I see we have grown, something had to be done!!
    So Nic hooked us up lol

  830. nom de plume said, on March 15, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Well, it would appear that my little attempt at humor was not well received. Bees, it occurred to me that if you are in Canada, you don’t see the same TV commercials as here. Nasonex has a cute little bee (just like yours) in their ads. Just wanted you to know there was no malice in that post, I am not one of “them”. Now I will shut up and slither off.

  831. judypc said, on March 15, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    nom de plume:

    I caught you’re joke lol.

    We know you are not one of “them” we know you are one of us, a freak in good standing lol, Welcome to our Bills Chapter of the freakest!!

  832. Nom de plume said, on March 15, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Thanks Judypc!

    I have nothing to post about right now; am going to sit staring at the TV and hope there will be some good news soon. Hope the other shoe is a brogan! I can’t imagine that camp Anthony has not been standing on the roof of the foreclosed house shouting about the injustice!

  833. BEES KNEES said, on March 15, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Hi Nom de plume! No, I haven’t seen that commercial ~ but not only am I in Canada, I also don’t have a TV. I can usually find whatever I’m looking for online. There’s even one person who posts Nancy Grace everynight so I have seen her show more than a couple times. She has quite the fiery temper and turns on her “team” rather savagely but I have seen the odd good segment every once in a while. Thanks for telling me about the bee!

  834. frankie said, on March 15, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Sorry…the conspiracy theory where KB is playing court jester to cover a crime doesn’t work for me. It would be the end of her career if she did something like that. I hope the defense didn’t set her up, but that would IMO be more likely than active participation in a conscious effort to divert attention from the real issue. WFTV has consistently covered this crime and KB in particular has taken it on the chin for her coverage…I see no point in the station changing course now.

  835. RS said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Frankie,

    I agree, seems some wish to skip past the news director mentioning to Hal at Sentinel this is NOT a single source story…

    Has nothing to do with Baez,

    or Belich either being in some conspiracy cahoots on behalf of ABC network..

  836. frankie said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    WFTV reporting gteorge texted mistress 5 days after Caylee was found! Also said Cayle was dead at Thanksgiving. RS…when was the FL Mall sighting?

  837. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    JUSTICE ADMINISTRATIVE COMMISSION (JAC)

    E-mail Form- JAC Executive director Victoria Montanaro:
    http://www.justiceadmin.org/contact/emailform.aspx?ToName=Victoria%20Montanaro

    URL:
    http://www.justiceadmin.org/

    Mailing Address
    PO BOX 1654
    Tallahassee, FL 32302

    Telephone Number
    1-866-355-7902
    850-488-2415

  838. RS said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    Are the conspiracy theorists satisfied now? This is obvious a story all on it’s own, not tied to any alleged WFTV cover for ABC, or the other blog myths floated….

    http://www.wftv.com/news/22846532/detail.html

    George Anthony Texts Alleged “Other Woman”

    ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — WFTV learned more about the “other woman” who says she was in George Anthony’s life. The woman says the relationship was going on while Caylee was missing and for months afterward.

    River Cruz told WFTV she never wanted to get involved, but had to when detectives came knocking.

    George Anthony’s alleged mistress left the Orange County Sheriff’s Office Monday with her camera and phone, which detectives had returned after lifting evidence from them.

  839. RS said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    frankie,

    The FL Mall ( hoax ) was presented the week of Nov. 18, 2008

  840. judypc said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    George A denys affair.

    On another news channel they had George saying it was all false.

    Hummm remember Clinton ” I did not have sex with that women” lol kind’a reminded me of that.

  841. RS said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    judy.

    what other news channel?

    Let me guess, first would be WESH, 2nd would be Fox where he did his microscope diatribe..

  842. Myrtle Beach said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Just a thought from an old freak who has been known to post once too many times a day: Remember when Monica Lewinsky was managing to get herself photographed at different presidential appearances? (her dumb looking beret making her stand out) Well, I’m just a little surprised at the “appearances” of this so-called paramour at the anthony home and the memorial service even though the women don’t resemble each other much to me – it’s all a little too weird.

    Could this be a case of a George Groupie who made it a point to get involved (and I don’t think George would have resisted too much) with him for whatever reasons? I’d bet George could spin a very sad story and seduce a woman who is willing to listen and maybe even put out her hard earned cash. So, if this story is true, who was hustlin’ whom?

    I can’t think of a murder case with such salacious details and such a tawdry cast of charlatans, grifters and round heeled trollops in the history of the world. You can’t make this stuff up! OR CAN YOU?

    As the detective from Dragnet so famously said “Just the facts, Ma’m.” Let’s stick to the facts as they have been proven thus far in this case. Not half-truths or mis-truths. What is actually going on in the matter of the State of Florida v. Casey M. Anthony? Is she really indigent or is her crooked lawyer trying to hide assets? That’s the question of the week as I see it. Screw George and Cindy and their freaky habits. Get the right lawyer to defend the accused and get the fair trial on the road. Punish the killer and let everything else fall into place thereafter. Thanks for allowing me to Spam-the-Blog (is that like shred the gnarl?).
    Myrt

  843. judypc said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    The woman says she gave George about $5,000 after he cried poor and WFTV was told George told her he deposited the money in an account under his mother’s maiden name.

    hummm so are they hiding money?

    Can you do this?
    Open an account under a false name?

  844. Myrtle Beach said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Bees Knees, I always thought that TE was SS.

  845. judypc said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    lol RS wesh they are also talking to the lover gal in a few minutes

  846. RS said, on March 15, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    judy

    Gee how’d I guess…LOL..if it is flowery and seems like defense oriented it is on WESH

  847. Heroesfan said, on March