Legal Analyst Bill Sheaffer on Casey Anthony Case

INTERROGATORIES, QUERIES & BURNING QUESTIONS

Posted in Latest Posts by William J. Sheaffer on March 3, 2010

Well, I’m back.  And  you all certainly have a lot of questions, so let’s get started.

JAN wondered whether Jill Kerley, Roy Kronk’s ex-wife, could be cross-examined on the witness stand regarding her prior criminal record, as well as the drug allegations made against her at the time she was employed as a nurse.

ANSWER: In Florida,  any witness that testifies at trial is subject to cross-examination regarding prior felony convictions and misdemeanor convictions that involve crimes of dishonesty.  However, evidence of investigations of allegations NOT resulting in a criminal conviction can not be brought to the jury’s attention.

JAN later asked whether a body language expert (such as Lillian Glass) could testify at trial.

ANSWER: In short, no.  Body language experts can be used by either the defense or the prosecution to aid them in the preparation of their respective cases, but cannot be called to testify as to their opinions at trial.

MUESLI inquired whether witnesses (for example, the Anthony family members) could sit inside the courtroom prior to their testimony to listen to the testimony of others, or would they be required to wait outside until they are called to testify.

ANSWER:  Witnesses who will testify must wait outside the courtroom once the Rule of Sequestration is invoked.  What is that? Among other things, all defense and state witnesses are excluded from the courtroom before and, generally, after their testimony is given (sometimes witnesses are recalled to the witness stand).  Routinely, either the state or the defense will ask the presiding  judge to invoke the Rule.  The judge does not, of his own accord, do this.  There have been the occasional oops, where neither side remembered to ask that the Rule be invoked. However, this lapse  is typically noticed when one side or the other turns around to see witnesses sitting in the courtroom observing proceedings.

AMAZED wants to know whether Casey Anthony can further stall the commencement of her trial by stating she feels her current counsel is ineffective, even though she has repeatedly said she is satisfied with her defense team.

ANSWER:  Although I don’t believe this is likely to happen, Casey has the right to fire her present lawyers at any stage of the proceedings.  And, if she were to so do, depending upon the timing, this could result in a further delay of the start of her trial.

Many of you have expressed your exasperation with defense delays, stalling tactics and excuses to earn further continuances of the trial date.  You wonder why the judge doesn’t “crack the whip,” “say enough is enough already” and “stop wasting the Court’s time.”    This is for JEANSEE, BJ, TISHEL, CASEYISGUILTY, JUSTIN, VICKI and LITTLEBEAR among others.

ANSWER: Firstly, both the current discovery and trial schedules were agreed upon by the state and the defense and then approved by the judge. Secondly, as long as the death penalty is on the table, the judge will,  more than likely, continue to be flexible as to schedules and dates with both sides. However, even Judge Strickland’s  patience has its limits and, should he determine that either side is not proceeding with due diligence and in good faith, we can expect to see him “crack the whip.” Remember, this is a complex, circumstantial evidence case requiring many, many witnesses to establish the circumstantial chain of guilt.  Included among those witnesses are forensics experts seeking to gain admission of  “novel scientific evidence,” requiring a great deal of preparation by both the state and the defense.  In this instance, justice delayed will not equate to justice denied.  Casey is facing the ultimate penalty.

MAGDALENA asked what exactly is a mistrial?  Does it mean the accused walks free, never to be tried again?

ANSWER:  A mistrial can occur when something happens or is said during the trial that is so prejudicial (generally to the defense) that, immediately after the occurrence of that event, and, upon motion for mistrial, the judge finds that there is no remedy, short of dismissing the jury and declaring a mistrial. Secondly, and possibly the most common reason for the judge declaring a mistrial, is the failure of a jury to reach a unanimous verdict. In either event, the defendant is, in fact, retried for the offense before a new jury at a later time. That is unless the case is resolved by a plea or the state decides to dismiss the charges, the latter being a rarity.

That’s all for now.  For those of you whose questions I did not yet answer, be patient.  I will be back to answer more when my schedule permits.

WJS

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  1. frankie said, on March 3, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Thank you Mr. Sheaffer! Maybe next time you can address the question of payments to her current attorneys if she is declared indigent or if she would be forced to use a Public Defender if she cannot pay her current team. Thank you in advance!

  2. Myrtle Beach said, on March 3, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Thank you. Will you kindly address plea bargaining in a case of this magnitude. Many folks seem to think that it would be a 1,2,3, deal for Casey to just enter a plea at this stage of the game. It is my understanding that, at present, it is in the State’s discretion to even consider entering into negotiations and further, Casey’s proffer, if ever, would have to be 100% truthful or no deal. Since she is proven a pathological liar, how could the State consider a deal with the devil, so to speak??? Thanks again.

  3. herebunnybunny said, on March 3, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Thank you, Mr. Sheaffer! In the event the defendant pleads guilty later on down the road, what are the financial ramifications to the State / County and who pays for it?

  4. Muesli said, on March 3, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    So very nice of you to answer my question, Mr. Shaeffer. You have a way of communicating the law to us in a vernacular which we laypeople can understand. I truly appreciate that, and thank you.

  5. laurali1 said, on March 3, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    Bill~ Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to answer questions.

  6. KameronJ said, on March 3, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Coolness. Great answers!!

  7. Magdalena said, on March 3, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    Thanks so much for your answers!

  8. WooBabie said, on March 3, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Just my 2 cents worth… summarizing various bits of information I’ve gathered…

    Casey can’t bring forward a plea, as in many have stated they think she will. Only the Prosecution can offer, or bring forward, a deal… and at this stage… it’s highly likely they won’t. They’ve built up their case against her so well, that there is no need for them to offer her any deals. There is no point in offering a deal when a conviction is pretty much a sure-thing (or very close to it).

    Anyone else come to the same understanding or have you learned something otherwise?

  9. WooBabie said, on March 3, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    And – thank you, Bill. I’ve been anticipating your next post!

  10. Marica said, on March 3, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Thanks you for your time and effort in responding to so mmy questions. Starting to look like an online law education blog. Your students are most appreciative of all you bring to us here.

  11. Angelinfl said, on March 3, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    If Casey applies for indigent status… will the current Defense team have to account for her finances over last couple of years and if there was a movie deal. The defense may have paid himself first…. and there is no monies left for depos. I heard you state in an interview that you would have put 50K in reserve for depositions. Also I am sure there are more important depos if your client were innocent than those of Roy Kronk’s long ago wife of 4 months.

    If she is indigent can she still have people deposit snack monies. Shouln’t that pay back the taxpayers of florida for their defense costs.

    I also thought of something else. Remember Jose didn’t want to pay 900 bucks for a full list of sightings reported of a live Caylee. Were they already economizing .. more money for Jose because he knew there could be no live sightings because Caylee was deceased.

  12. Jan said, on March 3, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Mr Bill -I am happy to see you are back.I know your a busy man.I do want to thank you for anwsering my questions. I respect you,an value your expert anwsers. Looking forward to learning more from you.
    Yours Truly
    Jan

  13. Ina said, on March 4, 2010 at 3:06 am

    Mr Sheaffer thanks for your efforts.

    In the Declaration of rights ( Florida law) I found this: Victims of crime or their lawful representatives, including the next of kin of homicide victims, are entitled to the right to be informed, to be present, and to be heard when relevant, at all crucial stages of criminal proceedings, to the extent that these rights do not interfere with the constitutional rights of the accused.

    Does this mean Caylee’s grandparents (who are next of kin) and uncle are intitled to all this information and be present at all crucial stages? And how suspect are they themselves to the court or not at all? Is the reason there role is not clear yet, the reason they can’t attend or do they still have the right?
    (I hope it is ok to ask on this thread.)

  14. lcoastmom said, on March 4, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Mr Sheaffer

    Thank You for being such a calm, voice of reason amongst the insanity, that Jose has brought to the circus. Guilty as accused or innocent as a new born babe – I could not allow an attorney who behaves like the JB’s of this world “REPRESENT ME!” Has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with the perception of others. There is so much to be said for quiet dignity.

    I get it, I do – KC is sort of un-defendable – unless “Zanny the Nanny” is found as she slips back and forth, between that parallel universe KC likes to visit, if she returns with the real Caylee and exposes the FBI, OCSD, the body farm and everyone who dared speak against her. Oh, and returns Casey’s car with squirrel residue and a broken gas gage.

    But why Roy Kronk? Is it because he had the misfortune (for him) of finding Caylee; right down the street? He had the misfortune of having vindictive ex-wives and a “past”? I feel for the man, he didn’t have a stellar past, but he appeared to have been doing OK since moving to Orlando – I wonder now – if he were to find Jimmy Hoffa tomorrow, will he place that call? What if Tim Miller or one of his TES volunteers made that call – would the fallout have been the same?

    Take Care and be well! Cath

  15. Lizabutt said, on March 4, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    VERY GOOD QUESTION……
    IF some volunteer from TES had found the body, would they be put through the same hell they are putting Roy Kronk through? I think they would! I think the Duhfence is so desperate they are going to accuse anyone and everyone to see if it sticks…. That includes her own parents and brother!

  16. Lizabutt said, on March 4, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    I want to add Mr. Sheffield that the terminology Duhfence in NO WAY applies to you! There is only one person that fits that name… Just wanted to make sure you know it is not directed at all defense attorneys. I LOVE you, and respect you, the other one.. well I better not type that on here… lol

  17. SY said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:50 am

    I have a question about the defense’s claim that the indictment is defective. Didn’t they file twice this claim? What merits a defective indictment?

  18. stephanie said, on March 5, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    Hello Everyone…I have been real busy and unable to read. Can anyone tell me if Bill is answering questions or answered this question already…If the defense claims Casey indigent and wants the state to pay, how will they work that out?

    When sitting and thinking about many other high profile cases with defendants that did not have the funds for the attorneys they had…They worked pro-bono. Like the Codey Posey case, the Preacher’s Wife and so on. So I am wondering how this works with the defense team and the experts they have hired. They knew she had no money when they all took on the case. So my question is…Will the state pay their high prices or is their a cap they might have to accept…exactly how does that work.

    Thank you Bill or anyone that might have the answer.

  19. RS said, on March 5, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Wow, IMO what an outrage to have a PR gal put the indigent horse out there before

    any motion/notice to the court….

    This is IMO insulting to the Court/Strickland, the people of the State of Florida and SAO to put this PR horse before notice to the court…

    http://www.wftv.com/news/22757843/detail.html
    Defense Wants Help Paying For Casey’s Defense

    ….the defense team’s media spokesperson wrote in a release issued early Friday evening.

  20. mchl454 said, on March 5, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    It is typical of this defense teams tactics. Either they spill it early, or file it incorrectly. I am curious about just how much us taxpayers will have to come up with for this case. Why can’t she just do what I would have to do, which would be a public defender? Does this mean that we pay for her experts?

  21. heroesfan said, on March 5, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    It just seems so wrong for Casey to be able to claim indigent status, it reeks. After all the monies paid to the Anthonys & Baez for photos, etc. We know about the cruises, tattoos, fancy gold & diamond jewelry, facial cosmetic procedures the Anthonys could not previously afford.

    Dinners at the Ritz Carlton Marriot, Jose’s ‘business trips’ to New York for Casey. There is something definately so, so wrong with out justice system if Casey is afforded anything more than a public defender like anyone else, if she is indeed indigent & Baez can no longer afford to defend her, nor can she can’t afford the ‘dream team’ now employed. What gives & how will they get away with this miscarriage of justice?

    I’m glad they are going broke…obviously mishandled money paid by media & are now whining, I say too bad. The state of FL & their taxpayers should not bail the baby killer out enough has been spent & squandered.

    Baez should fire the big wigs like AL & LKB and defernd to the best of his ability within means & the monies they have… or turn her over to a public defender. WTH is wrong with this picture…it just sickens me that Casey is treated as someone special?

    An above average child killer, how does it get to this point, ridiculous delays, the frivilous motions, over 3 years to try one baby killing ska**?…

    Seriously…why is she treated with extra care by everyone including Judge Strickland who needs to start using his authority to get control of this out of control situation to try & convict the beeoch sometime this century!

  22. Sue said, on March 5, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    The Bigger question…
    How can Jose justify 85 grand paid to himself
    He hasnt done squat but file bogus motions for the last year and a half

  23. Shilo said, on March 5, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    @heros and others, I think one reason KC has been given every chance has been to ensure she has no way to claim any reason for a mistrial, lack of represenation, etc. I am furious at some of the tactics by the Bozo, et. al circus. But I would rather see her get a clean conviction than off on a technically. I wish I knew what this latest news if first true, and if so…how does that work. Would she have to get a whole new group of lawyers? I am just as furious at all the slams at bloggers who have nothing but keep the story alive, and not let her get away with anything. Interesting note, OT, just watching as our little Aruban guy just admitted AGAIN to killing. How many times would someone in American have to admit to murder before they were arrested?? I am glad that my puter is being picked up tomorrow so I don’t have to be harassed by “somewhan” again. ~~~Hugs~~~

  24. Shilo said, on March 5, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Sorry for typos.

  25. mchl454 said, on March 5, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Very Very good question Sue

  26. stephanie said, on March 5, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Hi RS…This is why I was asking Bill exactly how it works with the defense now claiming Casey is indigent. She paid over 100,000.00 to the defense…So what happened to the rest of that 200,000.00, all of those 5,000.00 licensing fees and the 20,000.00 from Dateline??

  27. ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    What’s buried w/i that 90,000 to Baez?

    Payment for Gil Cabot/Todd Black, et al.?
    Payment to DC for ‘work product?

    I want to see where every cent of the $111,954 came from and what it went towards.

  28. Shilo said, on March 5, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    @Sue…very good question too. I wonder if that sum included his internet service provider. Smack me now. I am feeling to catty to continue posting.

  29. ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    I think that, if it can be proven that JB delayed this case simply to amass his fee (when any public defender could and would have done better and probably taken the 8 years Hornsby says he heard she was offered under the limited immunity deal), that’s also a reason to put controls and restrictions on how money is raised for a defense. Pimping out the murder victim just ain’t cutting it and neither is keeping a client from doing the smart thing just so you can make payroll.

  30. heroesfan said, on March 5, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    Remember it’s the same Jose Angel Baez that the bar turned down for 8 years because he was a dead beat dad & had a history of outrageous spending on himself, renting fancy sports cars & lavish homes while under a pile of debt.

  31. frankie said, on March 5, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    ThoughtElf: I think if it were to be proven that he deliberately mishandled casey’s case simply to line his own pockets, he would have a problem. I wonder, however, if this type of complaint would have to be leveled by casey herself. I don’t think that the State could deny her financial assistance even if bozo squandered her money. Just my thought, I could be wrong.

    I think if the State is expected to pay anything towards her defense, she should have to accept the services of State Defenders. I don’t think it is fair that bozo takes the lion’s share of the granddollars for his “fees” (for incompetency at that) then begs for State aid to pay for overpriced, grandiose “experts”. I am throwing the BS flag on that!!!!

  32. frankie said, on March 5, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    heroesfan: Ha! Looks like the Fl bar should have held off a while longer! He evidently STILL can’t behave like a human being.

    I love that WFTV has the picture of the smirking couple, bozo and the freak, on the story about her wanting OUR money now to pay for her defense. They are showing just how that sorry POS and her crew are laughing at the public and our legal system.

  33. heroesfan said, on March 5, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    frankie said, on March 5, 2010 at 10:42 pm heroesfan: Ha! Looks like the Fl bar should have held off a while longer! He evidently STILL can’t behave like a human being.

    I love that WFTV has the picture of the smirking couple, bozo and the freak, on the story about her wanting OUR money now to pay for her defense.

    *******************

    Eeew! I’ll have to check that photo out. It’s been awhile since I saw them smirk together. Not so feely touchy, lovey dovey lately…hmmm…the thrill is gone! Now Andrea Lyon’s big paws are all over Casey in a ‘MOTHERLY WAY’ it’s still creepy & must stop!

  34. heroesfan said, on March 5, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    Wednesday, March 03, 2010

    Casey Anthony Trial Is A Taxpayer Ripoff!

    Hutch Report Wednesday, March 03, 2010

    Personal comments about the news of the day.

    “Casey Anthony trial is a taxpayer ripoff.” A few days ago, it was reported that prosecutors in the Casey Anthony murder trial said that it would likely be 2011 before her murder trial begins. Are you kidding me, this woman has been living in jail now for over a year and before that she was partying her butt off at the same time her two year old daughter had not been seen in almost one month. What in the heck is wrong with the criminal justice system in the State of Florida?

    full article:

    http://mhutch.blogspot.com/2010/03/casey-anthony-trial-is-taxpayer-ripoff.html#more

  35. ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    Frankie,

    To the best of my knowledge, they can’t deny KC indigent status. However, JB will have to submit an itemized list of where all funds came from, and a list of every expenditure that went out. You want to bet the forensic accountants are going to be eye-balling that closely before this gets granted.

    I have to agree with you that she should be forced to accept State defenders. I also wonder if she WILL BE having a State PD. Let’s walk this through:

    * Articles include quotes from the press release that state, “Casey was willing to pay for the defense until the DP was back on the table.”
    * It has been back on the table for… (have to look it up again, but…) 9-11 months?
    * Meaning JB has known this for almost a year and is only declaring KC indigent now? *Meanwhile, he has not produced a witness list, done 99% of his depos, or given bang for the buck with his poor motion-writing skills
    * And waited until the A’s house has gone into foreclosure

    Are they doing this now, knowing full well JB may be pulled of the case dependent upon what is discovered in the new investigation the State can delay?

    I believe we may well see a Florida Public Defender assigned, but they may keep AL on as she is working pro bono for fees according to the statement. IMO, that isn’t a really big deal – she is only around for mitigation purposes, and to swap out the full defense team might cause further delays. I don’t have an issue with them retaining some knowledge history, but I do fully expect & hope that JB may be removed. Sooner rather than later.

    I would prefer KC to have better counsel to prevent openings for appeal issues. I don’t like it at all the the Florida Legal budget will take a big ding for this – especially as the monies could be better used to assist victims, provide Legal Aid for truly indigent folks fighting for child support, custody, etc. But, I also think it might be necessary to put an end to this charade and let the people, their various LE investigators, the SAO office to work their magic fighting for justice – then move on to more deserving cases that need their attention.

  36. heroesfan said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    Trials & Tribulations
    Sprocket & Company In Depth, True Crime Reporting

    Friday, March 5, 2010

    “Poor Casey Anthony”

    Well, it’s finally happened. The defense is now claiming that Casey Anthony can’t afford her defense expenses.

    ‘WKMG’ is reporting about this long-awaited catastrophe.

    Bold is mine:

    Defense attorneys for Casey Anthony have filed a motion requesting that the court declare her indigent and have the taxpayers shoulder some of the cost of her defense.
    Anthony has already paid Baez and death penalty expert Andrea Lyon $111,954, but Baez said that is not enough to give Anthony the defense she needs, and taxpayers should make up the difference.

    Nearly $90,000 of the amount was used for Baez’s fees, the remainder covered Lyon’s costs. She is working on the case for free.

    full article:

    http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2010/03/poor-casey-anthony.html

  37. ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    I think this is what the defense is filing for:

    (5) INDIGENT FOR COSTS. –A person who is eligible to be represented by a public defender under s. 27.51 but who is represented by private counsel not appointed by the court for a reasonable fee as approved by the court, on a pro bono basis, or who is proceeding pro se, may move the court for a determination that he or she is indigent for costs and eligible for the provision of due process services, as prescribed by ss. 29.006 and 29.007, funded by the state.

    http://www.pascoclerk.com/…/public…ent-status.pdf

    definitions.uslegal.com › Legal Definitions Home › I – Cached

    a) The person must submit to the court:

    1. The completed application prescribed in subsection (1).

    2. In the case of a person represented by counsel, an affidavit attesting to the estimated amount of attorney’s fees and the source of payment for these fees.

    (b) In reviewing the motion, the court shall consider:

    1. Whether the applicant applied for a determination of indigent status under subsection (1) and the outcome of such application.

    2. The extent to which the person’s income equals or exceeds the income criteria prescribed in subsection (2).

    3. The additional factors prescribed in subsection (4).

    4. Whether the applicant is proceeding pro se.

    5. When the applicant retained private counsel.

    6. The amount of any attorney’s fees and who is paying the fees.

    (c) Based upon its review, the court shall make one of the following determinations:

    1. The applicant is not indigent for costs.

    2. The applicant is indigent for costs.

  38. heroesfan said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    Baez should have had Casey declared indigent from day one of the case. Casey even filled out the form before hiring Baez!

  39. heroesfan said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    Baez blames the reinstatement of the death penalty for the problem. However, the death penalty was reinstated April 13, 2009.

    What about Baez blaming himself and client for being irresponsible and wasting the courts time & resources on frivilous motions & delays while not moving forward with depositions? Jose dead beat Baez should be removed & a public defender replace him. Just like any other ‘indigent defendant’ would have to settle for.

  40. ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Here is the 2009 Florida Fee Schedule:

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/…Section%205304

    This is the most Baez would be able to get.

    d) If the chief judge or designee finds that counsel has proved by competent and substantial evidence that the case required extraordinary and unusual efforts, the chief judge or designee shall order the compensation to be paid to the attorney at a percentage above the flat fee rate, depending on the extent of the unusual and extraordinary effort required. The percentage shall be only the rate necessary to ensure that the fees paid are not confiscatory under common law. The percentage may not exceed 200 percent of the established flat fee, absent a specific finding that 200 percent of the flat fee in the case would be confiscatory. If the chief judge or designee determines that 200 percent of the flat fee would be confiscatory, he or she shall order the amount of compensation using an hourly rate not to exceed $75 per hour for a noncapital case and $100 per hour for a capital case. However, the compensation calculated by using the hourly rate shall be only that amount necessary to ensure that the total fees paid are not confiscatory.

    Here is the flat rate info:

    4. For capital cases represented at the trial level: $15,000. For purposes of this subparagraph, a “capital case” is any offense for which the potential sentence is death and the state has not waived seeking the death penalty.

    Oh, I’d love for Bill to weigh in on this!

  41. ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    Bingo, Hereos. You’re dead on as to what should happen.

  42. heroesfan said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    It’s what should happen thought elf, but will it? What’s your prediction? If she’s declared indigent now, I give up & may not read another word about this case until she’s convicted…lol…or try not to…this is making me want to give up on justice not only for Caylee…but anyone!

    As great as the Sunshine Laws are in FL, it also has a downside, the May 2011 trial date is obscene, I can’t rationalize or wrap my head around it.

    My opinions mean nothing to this case but still…I’m totally disgusted even with Judge Strickland lately, doesn’t anyone have the courage to stand up to these MISCREANTS…Casey..her parents..the defense & say enough?

  43. heroesfan said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    This is not my comment, but I’ve been reading similar ones since the news of Casey’s lawyer claiming she’s now indigent:

    *****************************************

    XXXXX says- 2 hours ago–

    I’m so tired of this garbage, swift justice. Take her out back and put her out of her misery. One bullet in the back of the head would be a lot less expensive. CASE CLOSED!

    LikeReportReplyMore ▼

    ****************************************

    Floridians are getting very angry & I don’t blame them!

  44. ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    My prediction:

    1. BOMBSHELL coming regarding delayed discovery investigation – based on DC’s investigative interview
    2. Might result in JB being disbarred. In the interim, we may see him sidelined with a suspension, depending on how strong the evidence is & how quickly the bar addresses any new complaint
    3. Regardless, I see JB sliding away and a new PD being assigned
    4. Andrea will stay on
    5. Many of the ‘experts’ like Henry Lee will be (are already) going, going, gone

    Added bonus:
    6. The A’s will soon face some very revealing publicity – might result in charges, might not until later, but either way, it is going to take this way over the edge.

  45. heroesfan said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    XXXXX says- 48 minutes ago–

    Exactly! Don’t criminals that can’t afford an attorney get public defenders? What judge in their right mind is going to let this girl pay over $100,000 and then she decides she can’t pay anymore, but wants to keep the private lawyer? This is total BS! There can not seriously be anyone out there that really thinks Casey Anthony is innocent! If there are, maybe those people should get together and pay for her defense.

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    I say–

    What judge in their right mind? In J. Strickland’s quest to be ‘fair’ to the point of paranoia he might rule Casey indigent.

  46. ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    $200,000 – $300,000 could be saved if the suspect would just plead guilty and take responsibility.

  47. ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    This is KC’s first court appearance with her FIRST Public Defender, when she was first indigent, before Bozo came along:

  48. heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:00 am

    ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:50 pm My prediction:

    1. BOMBSHELL coming regarding delayed discovery investigation – based on DC’s investigative interview
    2. Might result in JB being disbarred. In the interim, we may see him sidelined with a suspension, depending on how strong the evidence is & how quickly the bar addresses any new complaint
    3. Regardless, I see JB sliding away and a new PD being assigned
    4. Andrea will stay on
    5. Many of the ‘experts’ like Henry Lee will be (are already) going, going, gone

    Added bonus:
    6. The A’s will soon face some very revealing publicity – might result in charges, might not until later, but either way, it is going to take this way over the edge.

    *****************************

    In a perfect world I see these scenarios playing out exactly as you listed. It’s possible, but I’m jaded due to what’s been allowed to go on unchallenged & unpunished.

    Fingers crossed it’s PI Dom Casey’s turning state evidence & rolling on the A’s & not Joy Wrays crazy babbling like some predict! Good night all…I’m whipped!

    But smart predictions, it’s how it should play out if there’s any real justice!

  49. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:05 am

    I just grabbed this from a lawyer friend who posts on another site I read (TY Themis):

    Mr. Robert Wesley is the elected Public Defender for the 9th Judicial Circuit that includes Orange County, Florida. His office receives public funds to operate. His office also hires other attorneys as employees to work on the staff as his deputies or assistants.

    AL and JB are not part of that staff or any conflict system so they may not receive any public funds to perform legal services for Casey.

    “Due process” funds would be for things like funding an expert witness, not for the cost of private counsel.

    ——————————————————-

    If I am reading that correctly, then while the State may have to pay for ‘costs’, none of those funds can go to pay JB & AL themselves. IF JB stays on, he gets NOTHING.

  50. NosyParker said, on March 6, 2010 at 1:33 am

    I’m curious about how it will play out because Geragos represented Scott Peterson on his parent’s dime until they were sucked dry. Subsequently, he claimed indigence and Geragos was authorized to continue his representation. His fees and the cost of experts were subsequently covered by the state of California with caps on the allowed billable amounts. That’s my recollection. I could be wrong and it was California, not Florida.

    I assume Geragos didn’t have the high powered attorneys and experts on retainer as Baez so proudly (and loudly) said he had managed to accomplish. The one presser where he went on and on about how proud he was about this team of the nation’s foremost forensic experts and attorneys that he had gathered together to represent this two bit, baby murdering piece of …… made me sick.

    Now it almost makes me wonder if things are possibly looking so bad for Casey evidence wise, that all of these experts have maybe jumped ship because they can’t, or won’t, testify in her favor. They have their professional reputations at stake here and every detail will be dissected ad nauseum during and after the trial. They, including the previously esteemed and presently shunned Dr. Lee, better be very sure of their testimony.

    Things are getting heated and I’m waiting to see who goes down first. Baez, George, Cindy, Lee or Casey.

  51. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 2:06 am

    Cindy first, followed closely by Baez. DC is kinda-sorta third, but he made a deal, so it doesn’t count when watching the blocks fall.

    It is like watching a game of Jenga. DC was the strategic block to remove & everything else tumbles down.

  52. NosyParker said, on March 6, 2010 at 2:09 am

    I’m on a roll so I should throw in Conway too. He is so transparent. He’s using this case to further his own career agenda. I saw a link where he had applied (? ran) to be a judge and it appeared that he wasn’t well known enough and subsequently lost. Sorry no link off hand but it’s there if you google.

    We listened to him go on and on with BS statements from the Anthonys, and of course for the Anthonys, but it didn’t stop there. I can’t forget the day that he involved himself with supporting the homeless of Orlando and even went so far as sleeping outside over night, along with the other supporters and he said in his statement that yes, I’m here because I support the homeless, etc. AND THE ANTHONYS WANTED ME TO BE HERE. I’ve paraphrased here, but how do George and Cynthia Anthony relate to the homeless in Orlando. I would imagine that George and Cindy, being able bodied and all, would be more suitable candidates to be sleeping outdoors then Mr. Conway. Just another grifter who is riding on Caylee’s coat tails.

  53. NosyParker said, on March 6, 2010 at 2:23 am

    I forgot about Dominic. I personally don’t consider him a player in this deal. I think he’s a sucker who was being used but didn’t know it. However, he’s likely found out that he’s inadvertently very, very involved and may now save himself.

  54. Scotswoman said, on March 6, 2010 at 2:52 am

    So, we can now put to bed the mysterious benefactor with an open chequebook…….and can we also assume that no-one is willing to shell out the big bucks for images of Casey as a child. lol Did Baez mis-read the earning potential?

    Or has this leopard truly not changed his spots?. For 8 years the Florida Bar did not feel Baez was responsible with money.

    So as the begging bowl is now out, surely Casey must account for how the reported $200.000 to $225.000 dollars was spent. Did Casey enter into an agreement that Jose could dip into the ABC fund as he saw fit………or does she have to approve all expenditure? Is she ok with the flights, hotels, and working lunches, enjoyed by her dream team? Is she happy to pay Mort for his adventures. Does Casey think Baez represents good value for money or more to the point …….did he have her or HIS best interests at heart?

    More than 18 months in and NO attempt to depose the scores of witnesses for the State. Still no green light for the list of experts, Baez so smugly read off to the Judge.

    Is Casey having trouble swallowing tonight? Interesting days ahead………Is this Baez’ escape hatch?

  55. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 3:25 am

    Nosey,

    I was once ambivalent about BC, too. I think he’s meant well, yet, he’d also succumbed to the Cindy.

    I have to ask, and I mean this with respect, but how have you forgotten DC?

    DC is the pivotal depo amongst all of the other ‘familial’ testimonies we have heard? No singular entity has been more closely aligned to both the defense, the Anthonys and the staged search near where Caylee was finally found.

    I’m intrigued that you feel DC is but an inadvertent bit player, considering how desperately and mightily he’s battled to prevent being interviewed under oath for 12+ months now.

    I have a strong belief that your hunch won’t bear out and that you will find that DC has been/IS a very involved character in a pivotal way that changes to course of the entire defense strategy.

    Admittedly, he was used, but in saving himself, he is likely to bring many others (righteously and deservedly) crashing down around him.

    DC is not a forgotten oversight. He is the singular ‘nail-in-the-coffin’ first-hand testimony turning point that strikes all sorts of fear in the hearts of JB and the Anthonys.

    I have previously held your posts in admiration, but supposing that DC is just a forgotten, oblivious pawn, …

    DC is anything but a ‘sucker player in this deal…” without “knowing it.”

    You’re an astute, respectable, informed poster that I do not wish to bicker with, but I cannot respectfully agree that DC has been an unwitting sucker. He’s been in this willingly, all the way through and has battled mightily to delay his testimony under oath.

    You are a far more compassionate, fair and optimistic potential juror than I, Nosey, for I can’t forget or condone DC’s willing participation at any point along the ‘Caylee is Alive’ agenda. Nor can I write his participation off as being a Sucker.

    That said, I’m pretty certain that’s he has stepped up and told his truths, resulting in the further investigation allowed with the delayed discovery.

    Doesn’t matter at all who amongst us posters have forgotten DC’s subterfuge. The State never forgot it. And have since recorded it.

  56. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 3:31 am

    Scots,

    I don’t think there really was a CT benefactor anymore – do you? I think the CT benefactor story was a cleverly designed piece of urban warfare camouflage.

    IMO, this is not only JB’s escape hatch; it is his pre-planned, predetermined escape hatch.

    I do believe that you meant KC had trouble “schwallowing” as opposed to we mere mortals who ‘swallow”

  57. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 3:43 am

    Scots,

    How can we reconcile the media, JB, the A’s, DC, TL, MN<AL and.. JB into one sphere of attnetion?

  58. MsBingo said, on March 6, 2010 at 3:57 am

    I’m so “frushtrated” at the recent events. LOL. KC hopefully having some sleepless nights with the latest. I agree that there will probably be a change of players. I expect Baez will be gone before too long unless his source of $$$ is made public. Only makes sense. Remeber what we tell our kids…”be careful what you ask for”

  59. heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 4:15 am

    Timeline and Discovery Updated 2/24/10
    The Search: Dominic Casey’s 01/07/09 interview with OCSOPosted on March 4th, 20

    by Valhall

    In the January 7, 2009 interview OCSO conducted with Dominic Casey, OCSO detectives wasted no time getting to what they were truly interested in – the November searches on Suburban Drive. The first question presented to Casey (we’ll just refer to him as DC because calling him Casey confuses me) was how he came to be out there (on Suburban) searching. DC immediately caused issues by first uttering “I was not out there” and then circled around to state there was a meet and greet on the Saturday of November 15th, 2008. He then states:

    At the meet and greet. I was headed out to the meet and greet. And in Kiomarie Cruz’s statement she stated that that was a hangout where they hung out. That was one thing in Kiomarie’s statement that I had not seen or verified, so I thought on Saturday when I go to the meet and greet then I will go ahead and run by there and, and just take a look at it and see if it’s a hang out.

    full article:
    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1810
    ___________________________________

    Excellent article, Vallhall pinpoints “PI Dom Casey’s’ senseless, contradictory, outright false statements from this bald face liar to the FBI. DC’s jig is up & I’m not psychic! Neither was the person who led PI DOM to Suburban Dr., nor was it his ‘sick daughter’ imo the tip came from one of the Anthonys.

    Scum bag Dom’s claims he was searching for a live Caylee yet was caught tearing frantically through the trash bags for a dead Caylee at the same site her remains were later found.

    Why doesn’t DC’s sneaky, deplorable actions surprise me? Another blood sucking leech who had the hots for Cindy & attempted to help cover-up the murder & get his share of $$$$$ in media deals after the trial. Their greed is back firing on them all….karma…

  60. heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 4:23 am

    In other words I also have to disagree with NosyParker. Dom Casey is no innocent babe in the woods…but another sleazy, lying grifter…birds of a feather.

    It’s like all the players defending Casey including her parents, lawyers, friends, cohorts have some kind of scam artist, criminal, grifter radar they used to seek each other out.They’re drawn to each other like magnets.

    Take a look at Dominic Casey’s businesses, ‘nonprofit’ foundations, history of home foreclosures. It reads eerily similar to the Milsteads, the Anthonys, Baez, even Conway all had foreclosures, lawsuits, a long list of dissolved businesses & money problems.

  61. heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 4:39 am

    Let’s not forget Dom Casey’s ‘hit list’ of those ‘not invited to Caylee’s Memorial…which winded up being a weird Casey is innocent informercial complete with Lee’s weird CMA, CMA wrist kissing code speak.

    Also Dom Casey helped the Anthonys hinder the investigation with bogus sightings of a ‘live Caylee’ across the US attempting to divert attention from baby killer Casey & waste LE time & resources on wild goose chases.

    Remember Dom’s heavy involvement with the ‘mall sighting’ of Caylee in Orlando. I’m no relation to Caylee but took one look at the ‘Caylee mall photo’ and knew immediately that it was not her…so did the Anthonys. Shouldn’t giving misleading false tips to LE, the FBI be against the law, especially for a supposed private investigator? He

    Dom Casey is a disgrace to his profession..just another piece of subhuman trash connected to the Anthonys murder cover-up agenda. If he spilled it’s only because the creepy miscreant’s back is up against the wall & he’s saving his own ass.

    Does anyone belive Dom would have called 911 like he claimed he would have if he did find her body in those video tapes?

    I say BS, he would have moved it or done anything that Cindy told him to do with it. I’ll never believe Ginette Lucas, the fake psychic sent him into the woods off Suburban, that was his cover. It was Cindy or Lee who led him into the woods to find Caylee & he couldn’t even do that right…almost found her but missed the spot.

    He wanted to help them hide the evidence, he’s a sleazy coward & would have dumped Caylee, burned her body, thrown her into a more desolate area, into a pond, Cindy was the boss & he’d follow her orders no questions asked imo.

  62. Scotswoman said, on March 6, 2010 at 4:41 am

    ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 3:43 am

    Scots,

    How can we reconcile the media, JB, the A’s, DC, TL, MN<AL and.. JB into one sphere of attnetion?

    ————————
    Sorry Elf

    Im not understanding the question………lol

  63. stephanie said, on March 6, 2010 at 5:19 am

    ThoughtElf said, on March 5, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Here is the 2009 Florida Fee Schedule:

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/…Section%205304

    This is the most Baez would be able to get.

    d) If the chief judge or designee finds that counsel has proved by competent and substantial evidence that the case required extraordinary and unusual efforts, the chief judge or designee shall order the compensation to be paid to the attorney at a percentage above the flat fee rate, depending on the extent of the unusual and extraordinary effort required. The percentage shall be only the rate necessary to ensure that the fees paid are not confiscatory under common law. The percentage may not exceed 200 percent of the established flat fee, absent a specific finding that 200 percent of the flat fee in the case would be confiscatory. If the chief judge or designee determines that 200 percent of the flat fee would be confiscatory, he or she shall order the amount of compensation using an hourly rate not to exceed $75 per hour for a noncapital case and $100 per hour for a capital case. However, the compensation calculated by using the hourly rate shall be only that amount necessary to ensure that the total fees paid are not confiscatory.

    Here is the flat rate info:

    4. For capital cases represented at the trial level: $15,000. For purposes of this subparagraph, a “capital case” is any offense for which the potential sentence is death and the state has not waived seeking the death penalty.

    Oh, I’d love for Bill to weigh in on this

    ********************************************************************

    Thank you for finding this information. I knew there had to be some rules when it comes to how much the defense would be paid when they are on the states dime.

  64. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 5:36 am

    Sorry Scots,

    Let me rephrase it:

    It seems easy enough to lump DC, JB, The A’s and Andrea into one financial bucket.

    How do we split out Terry Lenamon, MN and their withdrawals from the case in relation to finances vs. morals?

    I’m inclined to think that the A’s, JB, DC and AL all had their focus firmly directed towards future earnings. I don’t think MN falls in this category; I didn’t get enough of a read on Luka to figure it out. I’m even more stymied to figure out why Terry L. bailed.

    KC is the singular POC, and some chose to support her fully, while others chose to bail.

    I guess my question is: what is your opinion on why some hung in for blood money while some didn’t?

  65. dondi said, on March 6, 2010 at 8:05 am

    i don’t think a crew of ‘experts’ and a dream team is the best strategy for the defense.
    if i were Casey’s lawyer, i would keep things very low key and push the atmosphere that the ‘big bad STATE’ was after a young and inexperienced mother.
    frankly, Casey’s defense is basically screwed because everyone will see immediately what a wicked monster she is..but the ‘dispute the science’ approach is imo not the way to go.
    heroes take a deep breath once and awhile. justice does take some time and thought, not vigilante shouting and yelling.
    this is a complicated case with many variables, i don’t think the 2011 trial date is outlandish.
    Judge Strickland is giving each item serious thought, more than some who quote ‘bullet to the back of the head’ barbarism.
    how this case is handled is an example of how fine our justice system is.
    we are not like Italy in the Amanda Knox case..
    Casey will receive a fair trial (should it come to that).
    thank goodness Strickland is being very careful to dot all the i’s and cross all the t’s to ensure there won’t be needless appeals that cost the taxpayers even more.
    obviously, this is a very emotional subject to all of us, but shooting from the hip is demeaning for our country and us as individuals.
    we are better than that.

  66. Ina said, on March 6, 2010 at 8:36 am

    Thought Elf said:”$200,000 – $300,000 could be saved if the suspect would just plead guilty and take responsibility.” But I don’t think it is realistic to want Casey to plead guilty just to save taxpayers money. Perhaps it will help if she has some sort of prospect?
    If a confession would mean she would get a sentence of 20 years max. for instance, or if she just would come up with the truth. Is it very unrealistic to think like that? Now she doesn’t have much to loose or gain, I think , as they want her to die if she turns out to be guilty, so why would she confess? Is it possible that the dp is a barrier to a confession, or has it been researched and proven to work to get the truth submerge? How would confessing benefit her? (As she is of course only thinking of herself.)

  67. Thinker Belle said, on March 6, 2010 at 8:41 am

    They think they are saving the public funds by staying online beotching, threatening bloggers, family of people in similar situations as the A’s, and many that are soooo concerned about the funding aren’t even Americans…go figure! Now that the state has to pick up the tab for the defense, I wonder if they’ll ever question their actions such as protesting in front of the home, mailing rogue pizzas, threatening phone calls (someone threatened to drag GA down the Interstate until his skin ripped off or something like that), the online voting presented by some very questionable blogs, and the damage done within the neighborhood.

  68. RS said, on March 6, 2010 at 8:55 am

    I am curious why no mention of Macaluso expenses was made…..

    did they forget him, or did he fly here and stay here and participate all on his own money?

  69. testme said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Ina I agree about her never confessing if the DP is still on the table. You have read Casey correctly. But even if they offered her a deal of life for confessing, I don’t see that happening either. She will take her chance, just like how she has taken chances with all the money and checks being stolen.

    the state offered her a deal soon after she was arrested and she didn’t take it. The DP was put back on after finding Lil Caylee with the tape on her. Casey wants to be someone she isn’t, she will never confess and loss what she thinks she is.

    I hope this makes sense – good morning to you all

  70. judypc said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:13 am

    Well I think we all expected team Jose to file his client indigent but I do not see how it is fair for the states money to be used up on one person.

    Let her take a court appointed lawyer just like any other person would have to do.

    “Anthony has already paid Baez and death penalty expert Andrea Lyon $111,954, but Baez said that is not enough”
    The motion asks the state to cover the cost of depositions, transcripts, investigators, legal research, expert witness fees, medical or mental examinations, travel expenses and other costs the defense has or will incur.

  71. RS said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:17 am

    There is the, IMO, shady and equally conspicuous wording of…was willing to pay until DP brought back…

    wow, sure took her a LONG time to be aware she was unwilling…nearly a FULL YEAR to come to that conclusion…….

  72. testme said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:20 am

    you know, thinking about it, Baez wont be paid like he normally would amounts and so on if she is found to be indigent, but I wonder if there is a way he will recoup his “losses” after this is all over. Can he and Casey have a deal per say that gives him rights on something that he can make $ on, after the trial?

  73. Ina said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:22 am

    @test me yes it did thanks :) goodmorning too. That mo of spontanious actions perhaps was the reason she left all the stuff near Caylee’s body, not thinking that would connect the police to her I suppose. She had no plan… ?

  74. testme said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:23 am

    “was willing to pay until DP brought back”

    I think thats Baez talking and not Casey. Thats one of the most stupid remarks I have ever read. Where will that statement lead…. I can’t wait to hear the Judges responce to that.

  75. Ina said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:24 am

    There was this Son of Sam law (?) that says she can’t make a buck :) but he might, and then share perhaps? (This is just a theory.) Must go do groceries now, later :)

  76. judypc said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:27 am

    The Anthony’s have cost the State of Florida enough, I’m sorry but they think their were riots in the streets before, just wait.

    We are fed up with Jose’ his dream team, the begger family, and their murdering daughter.

    Jose’ should be court ordered to continue the case as a public defender.
    He took the case, he has wasted the states time and money so far, so let him defend his client now on his damn dime.

  77. dondi said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:28 am

    judy, i don’t think the money is ever all used up.
    the state would have to come up for the scratch to give each and every person accused the proper defense. i guess if twenty more Casey’s (god forbid) were charged, Florida would have to keep providing even if it meant bankrupting when i guess the federal gov’t would be obliged to ‘step up’.
    there is probably a bit of strategy involved here as isn’t florida only really obliged to give a defendant ‘matching funds’? meaning whatever the state spends is what she could expect in return?
    if so, the state could keep the cost of defense way down by limiting its dollar outlay for trial.
    why Casey has stuck with Baez is a complete mystery to me. he is so obviously a poor lawyer with mistake after mistake and mishandling of the public.
    how can she put her life in the hands of such a blundering idiot??
    it would be doing her a huge favor to appoint a public defender. let’s hope that doesn’t happen!

  78. RS said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:33 am

    If I’m not mistaken Dr. Lee said on Nancy Grace he was working for free…

    so let’s not see any bills submitted by him for the taxpayers to pay…

  79. Shilo said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:41 am

    @Thinker, I don’t even understand your comment at 8:41AM. sorry but what are you talking about?? It comes out sounding like you think LE or the government or someone paid the people who protested at the A’s home, etc. Sorry but I don’t understand. I guess not being an American you really don’t know how things work here. Do you mind explaining to me what you meant. I seriously don’t undertand the comment. Also, seriously not trying to start anything except to ask a question.

  80. Thinker Belle said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:48 am

    I have no idea where you read that within my last comment, Shilo.

  81. CayleesJustice said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Mr. Shaeffer, thank you for taking time out of your busy day to explain.

    I wonder, now that Jose Baez has taken that step to file for indigent status for Inmate Anthony, could the State/Judge Strickland ask for a breakdown of how/where/what Baez and Andrea Lyon did to spend that amount of money on her defense. Baez claims he received about $90,000+ and A. Lyon received $22,500 for expenses. Can they ask the defense to show where/how?
    They have not met one deadline on handing over their discovery, specifically to show what ex attorney Todd Macaluso’s claims to 100% innocent of her crime she sits accused for. They haven’t turned over their witness list, hadn’t taken any depos since last summer with the exception of Jill Kerleys’, so where did this money go??

  82. RS said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:50 am

    Like it or not, the judge will grant her what she wants, but not before, or hopefully not anyway, a full and complete accounting of her funds and how they have been used.

    It isn’t that I mind taxpayer money here and there used for a legit defense of an accused, it is this team and their antics that have me bothered. Best example, of it does not take a year in which you are spending money the whole time, to then determine you need assistance..it is like a heyday was had on what money was there, before then asking for public help..

    …instead of budget made nearly a year ago when DP was brought back….that is glaringly, IMO, shady to spend away and only nearly a year later then ask and cry you cannot afford to continue…

  83. Autumn Leaf said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:29 am

    I always get a kick out of posts that claim Biaz is a member of the dream team. Yikes. More like the village idiot, and he’s done it to himself with his obvious bumbling stuttering motion arguments in court and interviews he seemed to stammer through. Seems like KC and he deserve each other to the max. They both think they’re hot stuff, when in the big scheme of things, are nothing but slime.

    Lyon is on a crusade and probably appears in many cases to argue the DP for free. Another dream team member?

    Malcuso, ummm, don’t think so based on his history AND THAT BEACH VIDEO.

    Baden appearances are scarce lately as she probably knew there was nothing in this for her, no fame or dollars, just negative attention.

    IMO, Dream Team? What a bunch of losers — reminds me of a pack of gypsy road show players.

  84. NosyParker said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:43 am

    I guess it appears that I’ve given Dominic Casey a free ride in my rants. Not really. I think he’s a sleazeball who has his own agenda and expected to be riding the Caylee gravy train into his old age.

    I’ve just never looked at him as the mastermind behind all of the subterfuge. I think the grand poo bah Cindy, gives orders that he follows. His actions and methods of investigation don’t appear professional and frankly, anyone with a computer could gather the same “Intel” that he comes up with. It’s like he’s playing at being a PI. When reading the e-mails between him and Cindy, I think it’s clear that he tells her what she wants to hear no matter how absurd and he is more then willing to frame innocent bystanders. I’ve just always looked at him as a sleazy PI who would be disposable at the end of the day, but I guess he would know too much and has clearly been involved in all of the cover ups and obstruction. I hope he does take them down to save himself.

  85. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:54 am

    LOl Serious slip…protesters costing more money…BS to the nth degree! The protesters are old news and costs John Q Taxpayer nada. Get off the protesters for goodness sake. The people were well within their legal RIGHTS IN THIS COUNTRY to be there!!!! They were on public property stating their opinion…well within their rights. You and I are on the computer which is also public property stating our opinion, well within our rights. People in glass houses…..LOL. The protesters were in front of their home, we are IN their home. Stop demeaning others for something you and I are doing! What a hypocritical thing to do! The protester, poor, poor anthony song has been done over and over….doesn’t sound any better now than it did then. Just shows where your true allegiance lies.

    This discussion is about the here and now…like watching the haughty anthonys squirm for their dastardly deeds. Here, Here, pass the popcorn and beer!

  86. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:59 am

    RS: Agreed, she will get indigent status and will get assistance with her legal fees. I too am hoping JS at least demands an accounting for monies already squandered. It is from bozo’s own mouth that we learned he had received 200k+. That money needs to be accounted for and if wasted, bozo should have to repay felon anthony so that she can assist in her own defense with the monies she has collected from selling out her child.

    I am a bit ambivalent about her getting a PD. If she has to lose bozo, she might get a competent attorney!!

  87. talking2much said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Frankie,

    Don’t forget pizza’s and phone calls, it seems the state paid for all that too! I’m callin my state Rep by gawd! They never sent me pizza’s!

  88. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    BTW TB, the pizza was downright hilarious…don’t care who you are. It was especially funny that laughing lee and the dumbazzez ate the pizza!!!! ROFLMAO

  89. NosyParker said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    I think there must be a village somewhere thats missing all of their idiots and they’ve been gathering in Orlando.

    That’s a good point about the wording of the press release. Saying their client was WILLING to pay for her defense until the state decided to “take her life” doesn’t cut it. Either she has the money or she doesn’t. Idiots.

  90. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    t2m….darn skippy…I want pizza too, with a side order of crab puffs. Some people are so transparent it is pathetic!! protesters and pizza, reaaaallllllyyyyy? ROFLMAO

  91. No Nic said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    ThoughtElf,

    Terence Lenamon speaks out as to why he left Casey Anthony’s defense team as we are left to wonder who Baez has chosen to replace him

    So, it turns out that Terence Lenamon–the defense’s death penalty qualified attorney, has gone the way of the Anthony’s ex-attorney, Mark Nejame. A difference of opinion on how the case should be handled is what caused Lennamon to pull up stakes—- just like Mark Nejame’s inability to keep the Anthonys under control caused him to throw up his hands and move away–far–far away–

    http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2009/05/13/terrence-lenamon-speaks-out-as-to-why-he-left-casey-anthonys-defense-team-as-we-are-left-to-wonder-who-baez-has-chosen-to-replace-him/

  92. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    NoNic: Yep, Lenamon cited difference in opinion originally when he left. bozo made it seem like he asked Lenamon to leave, I think he left because he realized he was associated with the clown team. He sent a multi paged (12 I think) page statement to LE trying to get a plea. That is when he left.

    I think any intelligent attorney is going to refuse to be associated with this bunch of idiots. One would have to either make so much money he/she would never need a career again or try a different line of work. Seriously, would anyone really retain bozo or any of his clown team? I know I would NOT.

  93. RS said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Amazing people even accept a delivery of a pizza they did not order…..LOL..but somehow it is not the fault of those who did not order it, but somebody else’s…well allrighty then….hope Dominos mistakenly comes to my door and it’s a Meatsa Pizza…

    Conspicuously absent from the copy and paste is the Belich/WFTV bashing…

  94. RS said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Even more amazing is that somehow the public is costing money by being up in arms…

    when part of the reason they are up in arms is the wasted tax money on a snipe hunt for a Phantom Nanny…

    and adding to that expense to tax payers is being given the WRONG date last seen, costing so much time and money…

    I’m guessing those who protested felt their tax dollar was worth crowd control when protesting over stuff like that…

  95. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Nic,

    Thanks for the Lenamon reminder. I was too tired to look it up last night.

    RS brought up a really good point, too > what was Macaluso paid? We’ll know soon enough. A full accounting is required before this is granted.

    A Floridian friend just reminded me that the timing is even more interesting> now the taxpayers will also have to pay for the Defense to follow-up on the State’s current investigation.

    Part that bothers me the most is that this should have happened almost a year ago – last March. Recall the State pressing to find out how the defense was being funded? Strickland had them in camera in his chambers. Baez knew the gig was up then as Casey had to file an affidavit stating, “The defense is not being funded by any pending book or movie deal about her story, or her Daughters.”

    Had they declared her indigent back then, a year’s worth of constructive work would have happened already.

    It isn’t just that this team is full of clowns – JB is just a downright UNETHICAL clown.

  96. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    I’d like a Meatsa pizza, too, please. Skip the anchovies & the squirrels, but double cheese would be good.

    Damn Skippy, I could never never figure out why they accepted it either? Further evidence of their sense of entitlement – and stupidity.

  97. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Hmmm…don’t know…I think I would have to be virtually starving before eating a pizza I didn’t order…..especially since the public outcry had already started!

    It never ceases to amaze me that some people think we should ignore the law (DP for particularly heinous crimes) just to get casey to state the truth. According to this logic (illogical) we should reduce her sentence if she is a good girl and fesses up? BS, BS, BS..that is like paying her for the crime she committed. She should be punished to the full extent of the law whether she opens her lying pie hole or not. She duct taped her toddlers mouth shut and left her in a stifling hot trunk to die. She deserves NO mercy from anyone. I think she should be shown the same mercy she showed to an innocent child. The DP really is too good for her…let’s tape her filthy pie hole shut and throw her in a trunk in mid June! I would volunteer my trunk, but I drive a truck…. Or, possibly, Ina would take her in and let her be her grandchild’s nanny? casey did list on her resume a position as a nanny.

  98. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Ha..now dragging the anthonys down I95 ripping their hide off….hmmmm I wonder if that happened if some folks would be here campaigning for 5 years max sentence if the poor perp would just tell the truth?

  99. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Ina said, on March 6, 2010 at 8:36 am
    Thought Elf said:”$200,000 – $300,000 could be saved if the suspect would just plead guilty and take responsibility.” But I don’t think it is realistic to want Casey to plead guilty just to save taxpayers money. Perhaps it will help if she has some sort of prospect?
    If a confession would mean she would get a sentence of 20 years max. for instance, or if she just would come up with the truth. Is it very unrealistic to think like that? Now she doesn’t have much to loose or gain, I think , as they want her to die if she turns out to be guilty, so why would she confess? Is it possible that the dp is a barrier to a confession, or has it been researched and proven to work to get the truth submerge? How would confessing benefit her? (As she is of course only thinking of herself.)
    ———————————————————————————————————————

    Ok, I’ll try to address this politely, as I think you phrased your questions well this round.

    1. I do not think Casey should plead guilty to save the taxpayers money. I think Casey should plead guilty because she is guilty.
    2. I also think she should plead guilty because it is the best chance she has to get LWOP vs. the DP
    3. If she does plea (assuming the State would still accept a plea,) then allocution would be required. In other words, she would have to confess, in full detail, to the crime. There is no way the State would consider a plea of any sort without full allocution. (Note: if proven later that she lied in allocution, it could make the plea deal null & void, so I sometimes wonder just how useful her official declaration would be?)
    4. I’m not sure if you asked if the DP is preventing KC”s confession in a general or specific way? The DP was off the table for a period of many months – she didn’t confess. The DP wasn’t on the table during Sept 08 when JB initiated plea discussions with the State, then dropped those off the radar – she didn’t confess.
    5. How would confession benefit her? Well, it would save her life – and I’ve heard that confession is good for the soul (assuming one has a soul.)

  100. judypc said, on March 6, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    before the State picks up any tab all parties should be made to show where the money went they were collecting from donations, photo’s, interviews, every dime needs to be accounted for, Jose’ has had a full year and he still has not done his depo’s.

    Then and only then should the state offer up any funds, and it should just what any public defender would be allowed.

    No funds should be given to team Jose’ for anything done since Casey’s arrest.
    It should only pick up After the date of his motion.

  101. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    It’s a shame I have to head out, Frankie, because you’re cracking me up and I love a good laugh.

    Don’t mistake my polite post above as hoping that KC’s life will be spared. I’m on the ‘No Mercy’ train alongside of you. I’d far prefer the DP be applied, but the idea of Ms Thang being forced to tell the whole truth & nothing but the whole, ugly truth in exchange for a life of misery behind bars in general population does hold some charm.

    Questions for our Floridian friends:

    What laws would you like to see written, or changed, in regards to this?

    Should it be illegal to fund any portion of a defense with monies gained from media appearances, pic/video licensing, etc.?

    Should the Son of Sam laws be changed so that suspects can’t make a dime off their crime once charged as opposed to shutting down the $ potential once they are found guilty?

    A friend reminded me that they’re working on changing the laws about the publication of 911 calls thanks to that stellar dude, Tiger Woods. She’s in Orlando and finds that proposed change to be ridiculous! Because some celebrity got embarrassed by the release of a 911 call with a minor fender-bender and domestic dispute, all other 911 calls should be protected? She used the chilling ones from the multiple shooting downtown as an example of what might be effected as a result.

    Chime in Floridians – what laws should change or be written as a result of all the Casey Anthony antics?

  102. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    excellent point, Judypc!

    JB should not be allowed to claim any retroactive expenses prior to this motion being granted.

    That is what he did with Nilton Diaz case – filed for retroactive costs after Diaz was found guilty. (Meanwhile Diaz filed his appeal based on ineffective counsel…)

    Hey Nic?

    Do you have any links regarding what media deals Diaz might have made or anything about how he funded JB for his defense? I’ve never really researched that, but might be interesting.

  103. No Nic said, on March 6, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Elf,

    No the only thing I know about the Diaz case is that Baez lost and he was an hour late for the sentencing of his client. I would guess he never got paid. I think that Diaz said that Baez was defective not ineffective. :wink: Seriously!! :mrgreen:

  104. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Thought: I have to agree with your friend. I think 911 calls should be a matter of public record. Celebrities CHOOSE to be in the spotlight….else they could get an accounting degree and no one would care what they do. If one fails to call 911 because of negative publicity…well, that is also a choice! You play, you pay. I don’t care about TW one way or another, but many, many children do and I think he disappointed a lot of fans. I do think, however, that the line should be drawn at following his children and revealing the school/schedule of the children. Too dangerous.

    As to the Son of Sam laws…I am a little conflicted. If a person is falsely accused, media $$ could help that person finance a good defense. However, if a guilty person is allowed to profit from his crime, I think that encourages the commission of those crimes. I am going to have to think about that question for a bit.

    Judy: Great thought! The State only thinks it has had a problem with public outcry…I think if bozo files for retroactive fees there might be an outright riot!

  105. Autumn Leaf said, on March 6, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Frankie…Laughing.. needed that, Thanks!

  106. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Ina: Not sure about casey getting a plea deal now…I think that boat has sailed. The State offered before they found Caylee because everyone wanted her remains found. Now, I don’t think another plea will be offered. casey certainly cannot demand and get a plea deal. She confess till the cows come home, but the State does not have to plea unless the feel they need to do so.

    I am absolutely positive that we do not have all the evidence. Therefore, logic would dictate that if the majority of those who follow this case, even slightly, believe her to be guilty, the State has a rock solid case with the things we do NOT know.

  107. heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    THe defense attorneys should have agreed to work pro-bono & claimed her indigent starting on day one. After all she filled out the paperwork & had a court appointed lawyer in the beginning, then came her ‘celebrity status’ and greed took over.

    If the state was just seeking LWOP wouldn’t the defense still have to subpoena the same witnesses, take basically the same depositions, and hire almost all of the same experts?

    How many DP defendants have public defenders who are DP qualified?

  108. heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    NosyParker said, on March 6, 2010 at 12:03 pm I think there must be a village somewhere thats missing all of their idiots and they’ve been gathering in Orlando.

    That’s a good point about the wording of the press release. Saying their client was WILLING to pay for her defense until the state decided to “take her life” doesn’t cut it. Either she has the money or she doesn’t. Idiots.

    ____________________________

    I agree…lately I wonder what’s going on. Is the state of FL afraid to say no to the defense & the Anthony’s. Someone (maybe the Judge) needs to rein these people in & put them in their place..asap! This circus has worn out it’s welcome, time to shut down the tents!

  109. heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Autumn Leaf said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:29 am

    ************************************

    Good points…especially ‘Macaluso’s beach video’ lol…I think Casey won the sleazy lawyer lottery. Dream team..um I don’t think so!

    Maybe the state should declare Casey indigent & help with costs so the bumbling, stuttering fool Baez can stay on.

    They deserve each other & after all he’s leading her straight to death row!

  110. No Nic said, on March 6, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    [quote]
    How many DP defendants have public defenders who are DP qualified?[/quote]

    heroes,

    You would be surprised how manyare. A lot of public defenders come from a pool of practicing attorneys who agree to defend the indigent offenders. It can be a springboard to a better practice when they do, especially in high profile cases. Some are just plain benevolent and have the desire to defend those who cannot afford adequate counsel.

  111. No Nic said, on March 6, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    heroes,

    Also, a lot of defense attorneys were former prosecutors where they became qualified to handle DP cases.

  112. heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Thanks No Nic, I suspected there were at least a few DP qualified public defenders in Orlando F L, but had no idea.

    I guess that was my point, could have qualified as indigent from the start whether LWOP or DP was put on the table.

  113. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Gee, I wonder if JB will stick around for the appeal? ;)

  114. No Nic said, on March 6, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Elf,

    Do you think he will stick around for the trial?

  115. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Nope, nope, nope!

    I think Judge Strickland will rule to keep both he & AL on for now, but I am counting on his lack of ethics to have him removed before trial. Besides, the well is dry now and aside from the State & the Judge’s eagle eye on the financial dealings, many FL taxpayers are scanning the horizon more closely now.

    Also, recall that fairly solid rumour we heard last week that the State asked for a private meeting with Andrea – while JB was away at the forensics conference? I wonder if it happened? hmmm?

  116. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    Nic,

    These last few paragraphs from one of Terry Lenamon’s blog posts sum up why I think JB will not be around for the trial:

    “We, the attorneys defending against death, stand in the gap between life and death by our own level of care and attention to detail in the work that we do. Our focus cannot be upon the horror of our client’s background (though we sympathize) nor with any public repulsion of the crime at issue and their sometimes disgust with us, as counsel, for defending our clientele.

    Our focus must always be upon doing the absolute best job that we can in the defense of each and every case. It is our duty to review our own efforts to insure we are providing “effective assistance of counsel” long before any appellate court begins its review of any ineffectiveness.”

    Baez does not fulfill any of the above.

  117. heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    “This judge will not deny this motion,” WFTV-Channel 9 analyst Bill Sheaffer predicted.

    What happens to a defense team’s motion asking the state to pick up costs for Casey Anthony’s case?

    The notion that taxpayers would have to help pay for Anthony’s defense might outrage some readers. But Sheaffer predicted the change would speed up the case because the state would have more control. Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.

    WFTV anchor Liz Artz this morning said the station had learned Anthony is keeping her legal team instead of getting a state-appointed attorney. But Artz offered no details.

    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/03/casey-anthony-judge-will-declare-casey-anthony-indigent-for-costs-wftv-analyst-predicts.html

  118. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    They pretty much HAVE to grant this motion. It’s a silly little 6th Amendment thing. ;)

  119. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    casey should get an attorney provided for her…she had no job and she was an adult…no legal responsibility for c&g. However, since she allowed bozo to sell the pictures, he should have to finish the job and his total compensation for the ENTIRE job should be no more than a PD would have received. He should have to account for the funds he has already received and that amount should be deducted from the billable charges, THEN the State can pay the difference. Just a thought! LOL

  120. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    I like it. Especially since he’s done so damn little to date.

    He should be in a deficit to the State. They’ve schooled him on law often enough in court and in motion responses.

  121. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    He could consider it educational expense…He really, really needs an education…if not in law, in humanity!

  122. heroesfan said, on March 6, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Maybe Casey’s indigent status is a good thing. Here’s a sample of the posts from angry bloggers I’ve been reading all over the web. Please don’t shoot the messenger…I never said it! It’s their fault the public hates them.

    *********************************

    xxxx says – Once again, Paraphrasing from the movie, Ace Ventura – Pet Detective;

    Casey Anthony should die of gonorrhea and burn in hell. Just look at (aside from all the evidence of her guilt) all of those sadistic facebook/myspace pictures she had posted.
    Cozy…if you’re Hannibal Lecter!

  123. denjet said, on March 6, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    I guess we would all like to see a post about KC filing that she’s indigent and how exactly that all works … I hope Mr Shaeffer will post and explain it to us soon ..

    Relating to that, I would like to know what happens to cost and fines that are still outstanding for the fraud trial and the murder trial … what happens to those or are they exempt??

    Thanks Bill!

  124. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    It is a bit scary how out of hand this has gotten. If I were the anthonys, I would think long and hard about the situation they have created. Their air of superiority has created a mob mentality that may indeed endanger all of them and their defense team. I absolutely am not a threat to anyone, but there are many, many people that are just a little south of rational. I think they would be very wise to make every effort to not further antagonize the general public.

  125. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Frankie,

    Funny you posted that. I was just thinking a few hours ago that if DC really does have some proof of obstruction, tampering or collecting funds while knowing full well Caylee was NOT alive… I think they’d need to hire bodyguards, not PI’s.

  126. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    Good Evening:

    Frankie, WOW! Perhaps the reality for the Anthony’s finally surfaced. Boy, this case is one big fat enigma.

  127. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    ThoughtElf:

    What could this new evidence be about? We have seen some excellent theories from many, the logical DC.

    But per all the revelations, definitely not coincidences.

  128. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    This is definitely rumour – so don’t beat me, but it is food for thought as far as coinky-dinks go:

    I hadn’t thought of this myself, but my Orlando chum wonders if the reason George didn’t react is because it is about to come out via DC investigative interview that he & Cindy were as close as rumors implied? Would explain Cindy trying to weasel her way back into George’s good graces, and would explain George’s flat-line response?

    Usually we see Cindy rubbing an other male’s arm – not George’s.

    (duplicate post from the other thread – I was late getting here.)

  129. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Sorry – let me frame that up: speculation on why no reaction from George when Cindy said, “love you” at check fraud hearing.

  130. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    ThoughtElf:

    Do we have a cyber stalker or new admirer?

  131. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    I was thinking about it today and I do not think KC will get the DP.

    While the jury gets to vote, the ultimate sentencing decision lies with Judge Strickland. Judge Strickland showed a fair hand and some leniency in the check fraud sentencing. As well, while I don’t think he much likes the A’s, he has made several comments in compassion for their situation.

    I do not think he will sentence death.

  132. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    We won’t know for certain until we see if they show up here.

    BTW, Anti – no matter when this goes to trial, find me afterwards to compare real notes.

  133. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    Been kicking the gray matter around ThoughtE on that one too! Something other than DC, the timing in all this raises more red flags….alarms and whistles.

  134. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    cindy has always rubbed up against ANY man but georgie…She was climbing all over Rob Dick at the little Econ that day. Good gravy…bet the man had to go home and shower the stank off of himself! I’m just sayin’ ….it was highly inappropriate.

    I really don’t blame them for leaving Losthopedrive. But I would have tried to keep the home. After all, it holds all the memories of their dead grandchild…How could they bear to leave it?

  135. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Tease – back to the timing, which always mystifies me. I’m still not grokking the key timing piece and you never share.

    Frankie:

    I still don’t think they’ll lose the house. Banks will take months to foreclose, then there will be a Hail Mary financial rescue. If they do lose it, let’s watch closely who buys it.

  136. No Nic said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    @frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 9:29 pm
    “It is a bit scary how out of hand this has gotten.”

    For sure frankie, the Anthonys and the defense team are a gaggle of wingless (or should I say witless) one legged geese swimming in circles.

  137. frankie said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    I wonder why the teaser about the evidence to be released Wed.? That is a LOT of DNA information! Wonder if george’s paternity test results will be buried somewhere in that release? Also wonder if that is not what the State is trying to delay. The backlash from release of that info if it is positive…whoo boy hang on….Maybe they are giving george time to hide.

  138. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    hmmmm.

    None of the links on JB’s website are working. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

    And if you click for the English version you get a 404 error.

  139. No Nic said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    Elf,

    What??????, you don’t have a Spanish speaking keyboard???:wink:

  140. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    Only after copious amounts of wine – then everything is in a foreign language.

    I had to take Tylenol, so no vino. Anti did it. I’m back to churning up brain cells on if not DC, then what? And what do I keep missing about this specific timing?

    *thud*

  141. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    I want that 2 minutes of my life back.

  142. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    A certain other Orlando attorney, who I won’t name on Bill’s blog, just posted some interesting commentary over on WS.

    Worth the read. Keynote:

    JB may not report what he was paid for the check fraud case. Rules state he has to report for all ACTIVE cases.

    There is a bit of interesting timing to add to the coincidence of the Defense filing this now.

  143. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    ThoughtElf:

    The timing agenda~ Achilles heel. You recall my questions to Mr. Sheaffer, you commented on a few…

    Two reasons piqued my nosey radar:

    1. SAO rushed ex parte

    2. DC closes shop, A’s foreclosure[toss in shopping for new Defense Rep] indigent declaration.

    Neither jibe, however, you spell/write/toss around/debate AL per some speculation visited with the SAO. IMO ~ wonder if the proffer – cracklin lackin.

    Something or Someone has busted a portal~ so what is the discovery doc dump?
    Will we see ALL the DNA reports, doubtful.

  144. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    FYI~ the cyber admirer showed up. Betcha you know!

  145. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    Interesting~ ThoughtElf~ looks like the lone ranger strikes again with that dang universal timing…lol

  146. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Doubtful, too, that all latent print info has been released either.

    Also, had a shining light-bulb moment reading back through all of your questions. You definitely illuminated something for me as active, which I thought otherwise.

  147. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    AL primary goal to mitigate, poker is a game of bluffs.
    You gots to know when to fold ‘em :)

  148. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    Pray tell~ did I shake a kidney..lol Share.

  149. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    You did.

    I know not where I tripped myself up, but I was under the illusion that Judge’s complaint was no longer active. Beyond intrigued that it is still active. I’ll sell you a kidney for more.

    6 weeks left at the outside? You think?

  150. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Good Evening

    Exit stage bed…….

    ThoughtElf, Frankie, Heroesfan, pleasure.

  151. ThoughtElf said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Note to JB:

    When you decide to be an idiot, you might not want to CC: management.

  152. heroesfan said, on March 7, 2010 at 12:22 am

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    Very heartfelt & sad!

  153. heroesfan said, on March 7, 2010 at 12:55 am

    To Casey From Caylee: Because Of You I’m Afraid

    *****************************************************************
    It matches the reletionship between Caylee and her murderer/used-to-be Mommy, Casey, and how Because of Casey Anthony, she destroyed Caylee’s life, and hurt her family’s lives as well…

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  154. heroesfan said, on March 7, 2010 at 12:59 am

    Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 6, 2010 at 11:57 pm Good Evening

    Exit stage bed…….

    ThoughtElf, Frankie, Heroesfan, pleasure.
    ____________________

    G’nite Anti Rumors, all…have enjoyed your comments tonight!

  155. heroesfan said, on March 7, 2010 at 1:23 am

    Nosy Parker, way to go! I just read your arguments ‘there’& agree 100%. Also, you’re a braver person than I am to stand up to someone who seems to think LE should ‘have looked beyond OJ’. As Casey would say ‘are you kidding me’?

    I’m afraid because of the past, so hats off to you…for going & standing up to this irrational person who imo is becoming unhinged & a bit star struck with the players on Casey’s side of the fence, and them self. I thought you were the winner against his increasingly foolish, incoherent & bassackward opinions.

  156. heroesfan said, on March 7, 2010 at 1:32 am

    Nosy Parker says-

    How do you know whether or not the funding has been discontinued because this case just isn’t sexy or juicy anymore? Those are Baez’s word “juicy” and “sexy” when he was explaining how the murder of a little girl who’s 22 year old, high school drop out, single mom without a job turned into this media sensation.

    I notice that Jim L. (can’t remember his last name) is no longer at the motion hearings with George and Cindy. How do know that some expected deals haven’t fallen through and the money has been cut off rather unexpectedly?

    ____________________________________________

    Hope you don’t mind Nosy Parker, but honestly I’m impressed, you were sharp as a tack! Excellent perspective, you are spot on!

  157. MsBingo said, on March 7, 2010 at 2:30 am

    Excellent video. Heartbreaking but real. Poor Caylee. She never had a chance with the skank mother god gave her. I’m on the fence with Cindy Anthony. With all my heart I KNOW she loved that baby. Maybe we should be thankful that in her less than 3 years she at least had the love of her CeeCee. What’s she had done since is despicable…but I can’t deny that she loved that child. I’m a grandmother and I can say from experience that the love of my grandkids is the strongest bond I’ve ever had.

    I hope KC’s “dream team” disolves and she is represented by public defenders like any other person facing the death penalty. She deserves no more/no less. Let the state make their case and let the jury decide. Either way, for her, won’t make a difference. Guilty is guilty.

  158. ThoughtElf said, on March 7, 2010 at 4:20 am

    LMAO. Seems I am not the only one who finally blew a “techie’ fuse. “Dude, you gotta get a Dell.”

    You can find my own MsBingo-worthy rant here @3:41 a.m.: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/03/casey-anthony-judge-will-declare-casey-anthony-indigent-for-costs-wftv-analyst-predicts.html#comments72678#comment

    At least two of us have been much maligned elsewhere. Shouldn’t really be worthy of attention, but it highlights that there are just as many Pro-prosecution Idjits out there without a singular original thought in head.

    After *smiles* shared (*rational thinking WTF shudder*) [ LMAO >>> don't beat me for that, it is quite funny if you know the context,] back on track:

    1. List all of the things DC might have coughed up
    A. Direct knowledge from KC/Defense that Caylee was deceased as early as Sept ’08?
    B. Active planning/participation with JB &/or the defense to generate fake ‘Caylee is Alive’ tips between August/December ’08?
    C. Determined/Designed attempts to knowingly (publicly?) cast SODDI suspicions onto persons that the A’s knew to be entirely innocent?
    D. DC/Cindy > Cindy/DC – no marital privilege there, is there?
    E. Can DC have stated that they were ‘watching’ the same ZFG of the civil Morgan case? Might he have outed all Cindy’s efforts to plot ouot the plan of attack before the civil hearing depos? (“She is not a 10, like KC described!” and all the flotsam about the spelling of the name on the Sawgrass visitor card which we all know was filled in by Harry.)
    F. DC hasn’t been under-the-radar for very long > might he have testimony to share about the fore-closure? How it was planned and who helped construct this strategy?
    G. And of course, there would be his full accounting – on the record – under penalty of perjury – as to why he was searching in the woods off Suburban Nov 15-16th for a dead Caylee?

    I’m sure I missed many other potential ‘bombshells’, but you get the point. There is much to discuss for objective, rational thinkers > beyond self-aggrandizing conspiracies offered up to further muster up all sorts of (un)reasonable doubt for either the Defense or the Prosecution.

  159. nom de plume said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:12 am

    FYI – Museli left a great post at the end of the “no cake for Casey” thread. Bees Knees directed him/her to this site, but guess he/she wasn’t dressed!

  160. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:31 am

    MsBingo: Would you allow your grandchild that you profess to love with all your heart to be missing for a month and do NOTHING to find her? Sorry, but I don’t feel any sympathy for cindy. she knew casey was an unfit mother. cindy told casey’s friends she suffered a mental issue, she knew casey had nowhere to live, I highly suspect she knew casey had no job because she said in her myspace posts that she had no way to support Caylee. cindy stated to several people that she should take Caylee and throw casey out. cindy/george sent lee looking for casey. cindy/george knew how little time casey actually spent with Caylee, because they baby sat for her most of the time. Both anthonys admitted they had NO contact information for ZFG, had never met her and Caylee didn’t recognize the name. I rehash all of that to say this: THEY SHOULD HAVE TAKEN STEPS, INCLUDING CALLING DCF, TO CONTACT CAYLEE, long before casey fessed up that she no longer had Caylee.

    I do think cindy loved Caylee…to an extent. cindy is no more sane than casey, however, and no better mother/grandmother. she used Caylee just like casey did….as a prop to get attention and the sympathy of others. I think, however, that cindy had grown real tired of the responsibility of a toddler and was trying to pushing casey to be with Caylee more and more…which, IMO, may have precipitated the death of Caylee.

  161. RS said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:26 am

    frankie,

    I think by now people either have or have not formed an opinion.

  162. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:56 am

    RS: Yep they have..so have I and I just stated mine.

  163. MsBingo said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:59 am

    Frankie – the answer to your 1st question is an absolute NO. I think the problem here might be that Cindy wanted to believe Casey was off and “bonding” with Caylee. Myself – if I could NOT make contact with Caylee (let’s say, for a few days) – my hinky meter would have been off the charts. Unfortunately, DCF &/or LE probably would not be a viable option for Cindy for at least a few weeks. Casey was 21 and at that time there was no reason for LE or DCF to intervene. George knew (he had to have smelled decomp) when Casey returned the gas cans on 6/24. From that date on I fault these grandparents. LE should have been called IMMEDIATELY IMO. Unfortunately, we now know that by then the baby was already dead. I do agree with you – Cindy and George both probably thought Casey was an unfit mother. They and they alone should have followed through with getting custody of Caylee through the courts.

    I can say that sometimes that is easier said than done. I don’t have time to get into how I know that right now – but I know from personal experience that the law and the juvenile court process in these matters are slow. Since KC had no criminal record, no obvious substance abuse problems…..they would have been in for a tough fight had KC challenged them (not to say she would have). I just know from experience that guardianship, etc is a tough battle. Been there, done that. It took me years. Whether we like it or not, mothers have rights. By all accounts, Cindy’s accusations of Casey’s “mental health” would not have been enough for Cindy to get custody of Caylee if Casey objected.

    I’m just going to say that I think that unless you’ve had personal, in your face dealings with DCF (in our state it is CPS) – it sounds at first blush like what should have happened but IT DOESN’T. That is NOT how they work. That would NEVER have been a solution at that time for Cindy nor would any report she tried to make to them or to law enforcement regarding her concerns for Caylee from 6/15 on (until the smell of decomp on 6/24) been acted on. Just doesn’t happen given the facts she could or would have provided.

    My biggest question? If C&G believed KC was working – why didn’t they blow up the phone lines @Universal….try to talk to KC’s boss, co-workers…anybody. Sending Lee to find her in bars? Bad move, Anthony’s.

  164. FRG said, on March 7, 2010 at 11:19 am

    Mr. Craig,
    Good morning!!! Do you know if the Motion filed by the Defense to declare KC as an indigent will be posted? I wish we could read it. Maybe you could get a hold of Kathi and ask her, just saying. Thanks a lot.

  165. craigatwftv said, on March 7, 2010 at 11:50 am

    FRG, I don’t believe they have ACTUALLY FILED the motion. We simply received a statement that they were GOING TO from their PR spokesperson.

  166. angelinfl said, on March 7, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Simple comment. Why would Cindy want to seek custody of Caylee and tell her work mates that she should/wanted to but not enough money to do so.

    Ciindy darn well knew something was wrong an Casey wasn’t the mother of the year.

  167. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    MsBingo: I do not buy that this was a sudden situation that developed on June 15, 2008. IMO the months leading up to the death of Caylee were critical and the anthonys should have recognized that there were extreme problems in casey’s relationship with her child. The question is could they have done anything to prevent her death? I think they had a chance, but didn’t take it.

    You are correct, I have had no experience with DCF as it is today. I did however work with the State of Florida in Child Protective Services over 30 years ago and I can speak with assurance that it is a difficult thing to prove child abuse/neglect. Mothers do indeed have inherent rights and I recognize that DCF is limited in what it can and cannot do. However, the anthony home was Caylee’s permanent home. If anyone was going to see the problems in Caylee’s life, it had to have been the anthonys, she was not involved with anyone else. No daycare, no playmates, no familial involvement outside of the anthony immediate household. I am not really talking about what they could have done legally, although a phone call to DCF would have resulted in a well child check, I believe.

    I think a mother/father does have some influence in their adult childrens lives. IMO if the anthonys had had a normal loving relationship with their granddaughter, they would have been more proactive in protecting her, even against her mother.

  168. FRG said, on March 7, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    Mr. Craig,
    I have read at three other local news and actually they state that JB has filed this Motion on Friday at 5 pm so it is not even in KC’s docket. Well, maybe Monday right? I am just curious but thank you very much anyway. Keep up the hard work!!!

  169. FRG said, on March 7, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Mr. Craig, one more question, (sorry to bother you Sir.) there is this correspondence filed on March 5 in KC’s docket, I was wondering who is going to post it first for us to take a look at. I am guessing this might be another letter just like JW’s wrote to JS. Geez!!!! Thanks Mr. Craig.
    So many lunatics in this case. IMHO, of course.

    03/05/2010 Correspondence
    from James McIntyre
    http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=6236234

  170. NosyParker said, on March 7, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    FRG if you go to Blink’s site and refer to Ada’s comment on March 6 @ 9:59 you’ll find links that will show you who this James McIntyre is. Apparently a suspended attorney and ….. well you’d have to read for yourself to get a true picture. For some reason I can’t copy and paste the links without adding every word of his comments and that would bog down this site. It’s worth the read.

  171. No Nic said, on March 7, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    MsBingo said, on March 7, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Oh, and OT again (sorry) – NONIC. I am a published DbaseIII programmer.
    ==========

    I am retired and not interested i programming any longer. I just like to play with all the new toys that come out now. :smile:

  172. FRG said, on March 7, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    NosyParker @ 2:09 pm – Thanks, I will go there to see it.

  173. heroesfan said, on March 7, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Hinky has a great new article up about Casey’s image downloads. Actually the author is JWG I think.

    I don’t think I’m the only one who has read between the lines of someone who is clearly an Anthony sympathizer & more than a little smitten with Miss Sassy Pants Casey…it’s as stark & obvious as his hairless cueball head….no matter how much it’s denied.

    How does my opinion, a popular one that he’s biased if favor of the defense & of Baez & co. trashing Kronk in the name of ‘justice for Casey’ make me a sl**? Bill sheaffer is a defense attorney & disagrees with how Kronk has been vilified. He wrote a very indepth article about it aimed at Baez & his ‘dream team’ titled ‘Have You No decency Sir’.

    Does rthat make Bill sheaffer a terrible man or lawyer to point out how despicable it is to turn on the very man who found the Anthony’s grand daughter rotting in the woods?

  174. heroesfan said, on March 7, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    I’m going out to eat, but must say that bizzaro attack saying I’m a sexual deviant just confirms that this man is out of his gore!

    I never said one word referring to anything sexual or deviant…where did that come from? And Craig, nothing deviant that I ever read in his comments.

    Is that some kind of subconscious con fession that he’s the perverted one. No sexually deviant comments are allowed here & the ones that got through usually originated from somewhere else…ummmm…..we all know where.

    Remember the donkey video…and the outrage…it originated from.??..you guessed it. End of discussion.

  175. ThoughtElf said, on March 7, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Can’t wait until tomorrow for lots more follow-up news on the indigent motion!

  176. testme said, on March 7, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    I can’t wait until Wednesday and we get more docs :)

  177. Diana said, on March 7, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    Great point Ms. Bingo

    WHY didn’t Cindy call Universal? Or even better…..WHY didn’t she go there and ask some questions, talk to co workers, bosses. WHY didn’t she have privy to Caseys OFFICE? WHY didn’t she ask for a paystub? Ask her about raises or sick days or vacations? The answer is….because she KNEW. She knew there was no job or she wouldn’t have put that in her myspace entry. “No future”. She knew there was no nanny too. Even being in denial, she would have to be a complete moron to think Casey had a job. Where was her money going if she was working? She never spent it on her daughter.

  178. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    Surely at some point cindy asked Casey to pay for something…something for Caylee, diapers, medical fees, cold medicine…something. What about on her birthday? What did casey buy for Caylee…anything? We know she stole money from Mrs. Pleasea to buy Caylee a birthday cake…but what about gifts, clothes? I think I would have suspected long before close to 3 years why casey couldn’t ever buy anything for Caylee. What mother doesn’t buy her child something, even a book or an outfit?

  179. talking2much said, on March 7, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    When it comes to the job at Universal, they most certainly should have known to ask for proof of employment, they knew she had lied about the job at Foot Locker.

    When they saw that she had no money and was stealing from everyone that should have been enough to make them ask a question or two.

    They just didn’t want to hear the answer, they might have to DO something.

    So they let it slide as usual.

  180. Thinker Belle said, on March 7, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    KC didn’t seem to be a mastermind when it came to using someone else’s checks. This is just a guess, but, maybe prior to all this, she had been a pretty good shoplifter. JMO

  181. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Maybe she was…she certainly is a thief. But she would have had to steal not only the gift, but the wrapping paper, the card for at least 2 birthdays and 2 Christmases, minimum. Wonder what she did about Easter baskets, etc. I think she made up flimsy excuses, and, as t2m said, they just let it slide because it was really just too much aggravation….they didn’t care.

  182. Diana said, on March 7, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    LOL Frankie

    You are so funny. I think one of the reasons they let it slide was because Cindy being a total control freak……WANTED to buy everything for Caylee, just so she could call the shots for how and when it was given. And then poor George….well……he was just along for the ride. The FREE ride. :) I don’t think anyone could “make this family” up, cause they are soooo whacked. All 4 of them.

  183. ThoughtElf said, on March 7, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    I hope that Satan broke the molds when he ‘made them up’. Wouldn’t want to see more like them pop up, would we?

    nuh-uh

  184. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    cindy probably did like to buy everything and rub it in casey’s face….but she had to realize that a normal mother would WANT to buys something for her daughter! A single mom with a job and living at home should have spoiled her only daughter outrageously! I would think cindy would have recognized that there wasn’t a bond between Caylee and casey. In the videos I have seen and the pics, casey seemingly posed for the pics. Has anyone seen any pics where casey was looking at Caylee instead of the camera?

  185. Thinker Belle said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    JMO, but, I seriously doubt any one of them could ever have been nor will ever be any more “whacked” than the people who spend the majority of their time, energy, and effort gossiping about them.

  186. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    IDK TB, seems to me like the pot calling the kettle black…My personal opinion is that the citizens of the State of Florida have every right in the world to discuss all of their business…casey committed crimes against the State and now the taxpayers are being asked to pay to defend her. If the anthonys did not want to be talked about, they should have not been on my television lying their behinds off. Thanks in large part to their efforts to divert the investigation and obstruct justice, no one would even know their names or care one whit about them.

  187. Diana said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    Frankie

    I think Casey was more like a big sister than a mommy to Caylee. She was not ready to be a Mother.

  188. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Diana…I think you are right. I think cindy liked it that way for awhile, but I really think that the stress of supporting the entire family and having a toddler to virtually raise at cindy’s age was beginning to wear real thin. I do think that cindy loved Caylee, as much as cindy is capable of loving a child, I just don’t think she was a good mother/grandmother. I think she failed to act and that failure allowed casey to be the “big sister” instead of the mother she should have been. Possibly cindy’s interference was the very reason that casey did not bond with Caylee. Now don’t get me wrong, I think casey acted alone and murdered Caylee, but I think cindy and george knew Caylee was being neglected and did nothing. I don’t think they realized until too late that Caylee was in mortal danger.

    I think george knew on June 24 there was a dead body in casey’s trunk. I don’t think cindy knew that prior to her call to 911. If she had, the entire clan would have high tailed it out of town and no one would have been the wiser.

  189. mchl454 said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    I agree with Frankie on this one. As a resident of FL I am very concerned about how this entire family has subverted justice. That is not gossip, or do you also believe Bill Schaffer is gossiping? We are discussing a viscious murder committed against a lilltle 2 year old, and whether and how justice will be served. It does not consume my whole day, but her, I won’t forget.

  190. Diana said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    I think Cindy knew when she made those calls Frankie. JMO. I just think when she smelled that car, and said to George “It’s the pizza, isn’t it George”? And he meekly said ..”yeah, it’s the pizza”. I think she knew right then and he knew that she was not allowing herself to believe what really happened to Caylee. She was probably very close to having a nervous breakdown, and just couldn’t handle the truth.

  191. Scotswoman said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Thinkerbelle said, on March 7, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    KC didn’t seem to be a mastermind when it came to using someone else’s checks. This is just a guess, but, maybe prior to all this, she had been a pretty good shoplifter. JMO

    Thinkerbelle said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    JMO, but, I seriously doubt any one of them could ever have been nor will ever be any more “whacked” than
    the people who spend the majority of their time, energy, and effort gossiping about them.

    ——————————————

    And your 7.53pm comment is what?…………………..serious social commentary? lol

    —————————————–

    frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    frankie

    I agree, I think Casey saw Caylee as a rival sibling. ALL those photos, its as though she is competing for cuteness.

    She abdicated her parental role from Caylee’s birth. Having a child should have been the thing that made her get her act together………Instead she abandons her job and invents a nanny.

  192. Thinker Belle said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Good point, Scotswoman! My intent, however, was to point to a reason other than casey is this mastermind, which everyone knows she isn’t, that is able to fool everyone. I beleive the truth is somewhere in between what the family beleived and what outsiders beleive, and, more than likely, if given a chance, KC herself could shed light on the situation. It did appear as if she was always surrounded by overbearing people, from within her home and the boyfriends she had. Just look at how overbearing complete strangers are! Greif!

  193. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    Agreed….Big sisters frequently want to “kill” their younger sibling but parental controls prevent that immature reaction. Given casey’s seeming immaturity and lack of any parental control for her entire life, there were no safeguards for Caylee. If Caylee was crying for CeeCee, given that casey was furious with cindy, she may have acted on that urge. That may explain the duct tape…trying to shut the child up. I have a hard time believing that casey looked up those things on the computer in preparation for murdering Caylee. casey is basically a slob…..too lazy to hold a job. Therefore, I think she would have chosen a much simpler method for killing Caylee. I think the computer searches were for cindy and george. I think she murdered Caylee in a rage. And as the State said, layered the duct tape piece after piece over her mouth and nose, watching her struggle to breathe. That is the premeditated portion, casey saw she couldn’t breathe, but did not remove the tape.

  194. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    IMO casey quit her job because she is L.A.Z.Y. She saw Caylee as the perfect ticket to live at home and sponge off cindy.

  195. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    TB: casey was given a chance. She refused to talk to LE or the FBI. She refused a plea deal that would have spared her life in return for the truth. She has been given multiple chances. What do you propose as another chance?

  196. Scotswoman said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    ThinkerBelle

    Now you have made two COMMENTS about Casey……..careful …….

    I dont know of anyreliable source to suggest her b/f’s were overbearing…….but please share

    As for Cindy………. it seems when it came to Casey, she put up with a ridiculous amount of crap……..

    True……. Casey Anthony is no criminal mastermind, but nonethe less imo she has demonstrated that she is an extremely manipulative individual.

    I’m sure Amy Huizenger can attest to that.

  197. Thinker Belle said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    I think she told some of the truth already. It appeared as if she was willing to talk to the FBI, but her attorney advised against it. She seemed to hold some form of contempt for the locals; she dated many of them, so, maybe this is the reason. Remember, all any of us have seen so far is circumstantial evidence and many opinons are based on the media frenzy. Granted, she was indeed the one responsible for the health and welfare of her own daughter, though she was an adult over the legal age that any parent would be considered responsible for, she was above 21 if I’m not mistaken. We all know she won’t be getting the “Mother of the Year ” award; however, it seemed as if the last two months prior to this horrendous event is when things seemed to go haywire. It sounds as if she has had this lying thing happening much longer; many people do. However, and as CA has stated, a liar isn’t always a murderer.

    I think the story will be far from anything anyone has already imagined.

    The costs to the people of Fla. will be tremendous. The people proffiting off this castropy are many. And, many of those making this story their bread and butter more than likely don’t even live there. They have latched onto it because it increases readership; therefore, selling advertisements which sell products.

    If the death penalty cost $900,000 to try, and a life sentence cost $200,000 to try, just think of what the residual, $700,000 would do for children that are still alive, possibly cold and hungry as we sit here typing. Just an example, mind you, and just an opinion, of course.

  198. Scotswoman said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    ThinkerBelle said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    I think the story will be far from anything anyone has already imagined.
    —————-

    Thinker

    Could you elaborate…….

    .

  199. Thinker Belle said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    No, Scotswoman, I could not elaborate. My opinion would mean absolutely nothing, and, if I were to give it, I would be jumped on by many whose only goal is to argue, aggrandize themselves, or their group, or, write and capitalize on another theory.

    I pass, thank you.

  200. Thinker Belle said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    Hope I didn’t offend anyone, and I apologize for all the misspelled words…spell checker isn’t working for some reason.

  201. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    Well, if we agree that she is indeed a liar, how do we pick and choose what it is we are to believe? I, for one, don’t believe cindy’s theory that casey tells part of the truth…back to the original theory…she is not that smart, according to you. As you pointed out, she is an adult. She hired bozo so evidently she trusts him….could be a mistake that will cost her her life, but she is an adult. There comes a time when you cannot protect one from himself.

    As to the cost to FL taxpayers, I think as a community we can decide that for ourselves and the majority of opinion that I have read support the State’s decision to try her for Murder 1. May I ask where you are from? Like it or not, the DP is available in this state and it is not a decision each one of us makes except or our option to NOT commit a DP crime in this state.

    Personally, I have no interest in riddling which part of casey’s BS is truth or lie. I don’t pay any attention to anything she says….oh wait, she has said NOTHING since her initial pack of lies. The rest of the BS has come from the anthonys. What I do believe is the discovery that I have read so far. I don’t know about you, but I do not need the media to tell me what I should or should not believe. I can read.

  202. Scotswoman said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    Thinker

    And why would an attorney who claimed his client’s total innocence and that Caylee was indeed alive keep his client from helping find her child……and what mother would let him.

    Why did the story morph from the vacant apt (official story and proven lie) to the smackdown at Blanchard Park(unofficial story as told to Federal agents by Cindy Anthony and per her phone pings , another proven lie)

    And why since Caylee was found has Casey Anthony not spoken with LE or FBI Is she still protecting Caylee?

  203. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    Really…you have a theory, but refuse to elaborate? Really? Yet you leap to judgement about others who DO offer up an opinion? I think if anyone offers up an opinion and it is informed rather than just a supposition that is diametrically opposed to the known facts, others might rebut it. What is wrong with that? It is called a discussion…at least in this country it is.

    I am quite sure that others don’t share my opinions, I could name names…. :) Just because others don’t agree, doesn’t mean I won’t state my opinion. However, I formed that opinion after informing myself on the particulars of the case. I did not decide to hold an opinion because I am opposed to the DP or because I feel sorry for the anthonys or think casey is a child and needs a defense.

  204. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    Scotswoman said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:46 pm
    Thinker

    And why would an attorney who claimed his client’s total innocence and that Caylee was indeed alive keep his client from helping find her child……and what mother would let him.

    ITA. Nothing on the face of the planet would have kept me from doing everything humanly possible to find my child.

  205. Thinker Belle said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    I have no strong feelings about the DP one way or the other as I have never personally been effected by a criminal so heinous as to deserve the DP. However, there are certainly those that deserve it: Charles Manson, Ted Bundy,, that guy in your state that buried a child alive, and many more. Is the DP a deterrent? I doubt it. Would these people hurt others is the question, I think.

    But, the main point I was trying to make was not about the DP, but, instead about the costs and how the difference could be used to help the future of those who deserve it more…just sayin’.

  206. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    IMO casey anthony is a menace to society in general. I believe she planned to kill her parents, hence the searches about chloroform, neck breaking and household items as lethal weapons. Perhaps you missed her ^5. She has such a sense of entitlement and anything short of LWOP or the DP and she would murder anyone who got in her way. She should never be released.

  207. mchl454 said, on March 7, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    ThinkerBelle said, on March 7, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    I think the story will be far from anything anyone has already imagined.
    —————-

    Thinker

    Could you elaborate……. ok, you won’t elaborate, np, to me? I agree with you. I think as bad as this already is, we are going to learn much more about just how cruel Casey was. It won’t be a conspiracy of drugs and cops, just how cruel Casey is. No love for her own 2 year old, oh yeah, more to come, but not like how you think. She will go down

  208. Thinker Belle said, on March 7, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    You may be right, mchl454. I absolutely have no way of knowing! Nor does anyone else that I’ve seen so far. I do not think the environment she allowed the child to be in was good, that much I’ll say, but, I still try to keep an open mind and hope for the best, not what I’d like to see on a movie of the week or a tabloid at the grocer’s check-out stand.

  209. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    I certainly do not think anyone has to believe the same things I do…that was not my question. I asked why you come here since you do NOT share the opinions expressed on this blog and are unwilling to share your own opinion?

    mchl454: I am afraid we will find more sordid details. For now, I am still sticking my head in the sand and pretending that she did it in a rage. It is horrifying to think she could have been more cruel than I already think.

  210. frankie said, on March 7, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    mchl454: Do you think the computer searches were related to Caylee or do you think she possibly intended to murder c&g?

  211. Thinker Belle said, on March 7, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    I have shared my oipinion, just not a storyline as requested earler.

  212. Thinker Belle said, on March 7, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    G’nite to all!

  213. mchl454 said, on March 7, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    IMO frankie, those searches were for George and Cindy, mainly because of the story Amy told about moving in there and them being gone, Casey’s house

  214. Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 12:09 am

    I am sure much is being held back in the discovery released to the public.

    I would really like to hear Riccardo Morlales FBI session in which he believed Casey felt, (parphrasing) that he was her last chance at finding someone to settle down with. I’d like to know the real reason they broke up. Who dumped who? And what effect did this have on Casey?

    Did she in some way blame her little girl?

    Almost immediatley, some might say on the rebound, she meets Tony Lazarro and within a ridiculously short time, she moves in with the guy…..cooks, cleans, steals to ingratiate her house guest status by regularly buying food and beer.

    He admits to detectievs he would often try and get a rise out of her about their relationship.

    I have always believed that Caylee died on the day she did, because Casey was determined to be with Lazarro that evening and she couldnt find a sitter. I truly believe that was the catalyst event.

  215. judypc said, on March 8, 2010 at 12:18 am

    It is my firm believe that Casey did indeed plan the murder of her child months before she carried it out.

    I arrived at this conclusion after reading the forensic reports done on those computers.
    In my estimation she had been planning since at least March.

    I believe the 15th gave her the push to carry out her plan, her anger at her mother cemented Caylee’s fate.
    Casey would in one fatal swoop reap her revenge on her mother, and Caylee, in truth I believe she resented Caylee so deeply that it turned to raw pure hate.

    She railed against the attention that she felt Caylee robbed her of, she resented being weighed down, she wanted to punish her mother for forcing this weight upon her, for choosing Caylee over her, she blamed Caylee for every slight she felt in her life.

    Casey is a hollow, self serving, empty shell of a person with not one true emotion that does not apply to her and only her, she has no empathy, no regard for another’s pain, in her mind she has done nothing wrong.
    Caylee did not matter, she had no concept that Caylee felt fear, or pain, all she saw was the satisfaction of getting revenge and freedom.

    And yes, she deserves to face the death penalty, she deserves to feel that terror of knowing she will pay with her life for her actions against a helpless child.
    She deserves to know that when that needle is loaded it is for Caylee’s life.

    And No, killing Casey will not undo the crime, No it will not erase the horror Caylee suffered, No it most likely will not deter the next murderer, but it will enforce the laws of this State, and the people that say No you can not commit murder in our State.

    So, the moral of the story is, don’t want the death penalty, Don’t move to Florida, Don’t murder you’re child, Don’t expect because you think you are to pretty, to special, to above the law that you will be given a pass.

  216. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 12:30 am

    Ashton himself said that 90% of the discovery has already been turned over to the defense. Recall Judge Strickland telling JB not to go off on another tangent regarding the FBI lab info requests?

    At the point, JS stated that proper motions would have to be filed, and that they’d have to get their (FBI & Body Farm) folks in there with their lawyers. Ashton tells the court that 90% of the discovery has already been handed over, and that they can’t get what JB is asking for. Ashton says he’ll help further, “Could you get LBK to call me directly instead of having it go from JB to LDB.” (paraphrased.)

    Don’t think there is a lot of discovery being withheld, but what is still left in that 10% might include direct evidence.

    (side note: assume it isn’t actually evidence or discovery that JB keeps harping on about re: FBI & Body Farm – either procedure manuals, white papers &/or employee records, etc., which is why the labs aren’t coughing it up – it isn’t discovery.)

  217. judypc said, on March 8, 2010 at 12:42 am

    I leave you with this to ponder tonight.

    Often, when a crime is committed you hear people say “ oh it is so out of character for them”
    So I ask is that really true?
    Is it out of character for a husband or parent that beats their spouse or child and suddenly that battered person is dead as a result of their latest assault, wasn’t it always in their moral fiber to inflict pain and kill?

    Simply because a person has not been caught prior to committing a heinous act, does not mean it was not in them to do so all along, it simply means they were very adept at hiding their true nature.

  218. Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:06 am

    ThoughtElf

    If there was a particularly incriminating piece of evidence, it can be redacted from discovery by the Judge. Either or both sides can request that in the interest of the accused getting a fair trial, certain information is not made public…..They have that prerogative.

    It would not be in the prosecution’s interest to put out there a partiuclarly damning piece of information eg a latent print, for obvious appellant issues that could arise down the road.

    We have already heard the defence cries of Salem witch trials and their belief she has already been tried in the media.

    Ofcourse, I could be wrong and we may indeed have been privvy to ALL the eivdence……but imho, I don’t think we have.

    Case in point……….we have never seen Lee Anthony’s FBI interview. I dont think he filled in those questionaires and then just went home……

  219. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:28 am

    Excellent! Thank you. I was not aware that was possible under FL law.

    I mull over the latent print possibility quite a bit. As I mentioned above, I wonder often what JB is so desperately seeking from the Quantico folks that they won’t give him? Perhaps something to do with how they might have raised a print on the degraded duct tape?

    I’d also like to see the interview, including the questionnaire answers Lee wrote, especially in relation to his thoughts on KC’s mental well-being. Lee is still an enigma to me. There are many things that have bothered me about his behaviors, yet on the other hand, he is the only one who wisely chose to zip his lip months ago. I’ve undecided if he did that out of wisdom – or self-preservation?

    I know everyone is looking forward to reviewing the new discovery release on Wednesday, but I can’t shake the feeling that other case news will over-shadow it this week. I’m fully expecting the Acme Anvil to drop on JB any time now for ethical issues. The outcry over the indigent filing is still at a dull roar. By the end of the week, I expect it will be a loud crescendo.

  220. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:30 am

    I should apologize for typos & errors in grammar, but usually don’t. Guilty of thinking faster then it translates to fingers.

    Above should read, “I’m undecided…”

  221. Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:33 am

    judypc said, on March 8, 2010 at 12:18 am

    judy

    Geat post.

    The computer searches could indicate she was fantasising abut life without Caylee, but I don’t think any great plan had been formulated.

    If it had been I don’t think she would have ridden around with Caylee in her trunk for days, nor would she have been so stupid as to have been photographed during a hot body contest. A plan may have actually have included telling the police immedately her child was abducted.

    I would like verification that she searched for missing children sites and proof positive that there was a fight on the night of the 15th. That I think would definitely be admissable at trial.

  222. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:43 am

    I have a question about Caylee’s health. In the video posted above I didn’t realize it until a few seconds ago that Caylee’s mouth is crooked, her face is swollen & I’d like to know why? I also wonder what date the videos or photos were taken?

    Caylee’s facial contortions, swelling, scrapes, dark circles, redness around her mouth have been mentioned on other sites. Caylee was shown on one photo, she had on a pink tutu I believe & her face was misshaped & terribly contorted.

    At the time I thought maybe someone doctored the picture to sensationalize it & it didn’t amout to any kind of illness, abuse, or the possible drugging of Caylee by her Mother.

    When I posted heroesfan said, on March 7, 2010 at 12:55 am To Casey From Caylee: Because Of You I’m Afraid- Video I didn’t notice it when I watched it the first time. But at the start of the video it’s noticable & it really bothers me that maybe she was ill & no one sought medical advice or she was being drugged even then. Poor dartling is gone now, but how did whatever was causing this go unnoticed, untreated if not by Casey, then Cindy & George?

  223. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:50 am

    I’ve got a lot of typos tonight too. After I looked at my comments I feel like an idget. Did I spell idget right? I know how to spell…usually.

  224. Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:53 am

    Thought Elf

    I find myself agreeing with you alot of the time, however on the inidgent issue
    I think this matter will fade pretty quickly.

    Having had time to think on it, I feel the Judge will have no real dillemna in declaring her indigent . If she claims, she has no means of raising any more money for her defence, how can he refuse. If she has been ripped off by her own defence attorney, that’s a separate issue.

    And whilst I sympathise with the tax payers of Florida, one could argue that in a civilised society where justice is the end game……. if the State choose to spend what they have in pursuing her conviction and possible execution, the same State will afford her the right to defend herself……..with ofcourse the appropriate investigation and caveats in place.

    I am trying to apply some reason and logic, so have taken out of the equation my hatred for the girl. lol

  225. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:56 am

    I also wonder if anyone in forensics, any one in the medical field at all who are involved in the case hired by the prosecution has noticed the photos where Caylee’s face appears unusually pale, swollen & her mouth contorted? Sort of thinking out loud right now, but it’s bothersome to me.

  226. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:03 am

    Another thing, in pictures where Caylee looks unhappy, unwell with her ‘Mommy’ Casey is always the picture of perfection. Not a strand of hair out of place, perfect smile with careful lipstick & mascara application in every single one. It makes me sick.

  227. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:16 am

    No one wants to talk to me tonight sniff..sniff…just kidding! I’ll go to my other obsession, my beloved Heroes, Lost & Fringe show updates at TV.com. They like me there & no one calls me a deviant..lol.

    Oh well, in the end all I want is Casey put away for life, the DP would be even better imo, the Anthonys charged with their cover-up crimes & justice for Caylee.

    Maybe Wednesday will bring ‘the smoking gun’ if not I believe the bombshell will be in what’s being sealed for 30 days, hopefully Dom Casey spilled. Good night all, excellent comments tonight.

  228. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:23 am

    Scots:

    Oh, I agree, there will be no issue with Judge Strickland granting the motion to declare Casey indigent. It is that ‘separate issue’ that I suspect we’ll hear much more about very soon. The timing of this filing is curious.

    The delayed discovery investigation is ongoing, perhaps as a result of DC’s investigative interview. Either way, whether the catalyst for the ongoing investigation or not, I’m pretty certain that the investigative interview included many questions in regards to who was financing what.

    Also, JB waited until after the check fraud case to file the motion, therefore he won’t have to list the monies he was paid to defend KC for those charges. So we still won’t see a full accounting of where all of the blood money has gone. It certainly hasn’t gone towards a proactive defense.

    I just don’t believe this leopard has changed his spots. The FL Bar wouldn’t let him practice for 8 years after graduating from law school due to his fiscal extravagance and irresponsibility. Eight years? And the FL Supreme Court upheld that decision.

    We noted the State’s grave concern with the defense financing back in March of last year. More than one of the 5 complaints filed against JB since he took the case have been about ‘following the money.’ Circle back around to DC’s investigative interview – he would have had to answer what the fiscal agreements were with JB >>> ‘payment on contingency’ is a big ethical no-no, which is what the State wanted to get on record last March.

    I’m certain JB will have further ethics complaints filed against him. I think the indigent filing is a buy-product of JB mishandling this from the get-go. And I think we’ll see a breaking news story about it any day now.

    Heroes:

    When I can’t remember how to type ‘idjit’ I just use the synonym ‘Baez’ – same thing.

  229. Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:24 am

    Heroes

    There was mention in the autopsy report that Caylee had premature closure of the saggital suture. And there is research out there to suggest this might be due to sleeing for extended periods on her back.

    The tutu photo you refer to is imo photoshopped from the one taken in Riccardo’s apt. In this Caylee’s face does seem lopsided but as far as I know there are no other photos like this and we know Caylee was photographed constantly.

    I do however think some photos of a tired looking Caylee with dominant dark circles under her eyes indicate the over usage of use of OTC sleeping remedies. And we could speculate chloroform was used on her.

    I maintain that when a b/f was on the scene, Caylee was a greater risk.
    Casey started seeing Morales in February. He claims soon after that Caylee stayed at his place 3- 5 nights per week.

    Valhall did a good article on the defect on Caylee’s skull . I agree with some of her observations but not all.

    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1358

  230. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:31 am

    Heroes:

    I am nothing short of haunted and tortured by several of the Caylee videos. The person shooting the video does not interact with Caylee in any way. No laughter, no responses. Nothing. Even when Caylee reaches for the person behind the camera, who I suspect was KC.

    I find myself thinking about those a lot when I try to grasp what Caylee’s daily life was like before she murdered. So chilling. A glimpse into to KC’s lack of emotion all along. Those videos speak volumes to me about KC.

  231. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:35 am

    ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:23 am

    Heroes:

    When I can’t remember how to type ‘idjit’ I just use the synonym ‘Baez’ – same thing.

    _________________

    You & Frankie crack me up, good one. G’nite!

  232. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:38 am

    Speaking of Val… I think JWG posted his computer forensics analysis spreadsheet over there way back, which had a lot of details on the searches, including the Missing Child site searches. I read it so many months ago now that I can’t recall if JWG determined that KC did them, or not.

    If you can’t find it at HinkyMeter, I can dig it up from old WS threads and post a link here for you.

    I wonder just what Lee might have said about the fight on the 15th in his FBI interview. Thanks for that, Scots. I’ve read so much I sometimes forget what I haven’t read yet.

    Night to you both – thanks for the great insights.

  233. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:40 am

    ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:31 am Heroes:

    I am nothing short of haunted and tortured by several of the Caylee videos. The person shooting the video does not interact with Caylee in any way. No

    **************************

    I know, it’s almost as bad as Caylee’s physical appearance. Creepy that she seems to purposely ignore Caylee during filming. It had to confuse Caylee that any interaction by Casey was only done as a show in front of C & G, or friends. Then adding in the 100′s of cell phone calls, texting daily, which had to occupy most of Casey’s time, Caylee was severely ignored, neglected.

  234. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:49 am

    Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:24 am Heroes

    There was mention in the autopsy report that Caylee had premature closure of the saggital suture. And there is research out there to suggest this might be due to sleeing for extended periods on her back.

    ***************************

    OMG like in a trunk? Honestly though I never believed she left her all night in the trunk. Drugging Caylee during the day to get her out the way while she talked, texted on the cell, wasted time on the computer instead of working makes more sense to me but…

    Anyone who’s had a toddler knows they need your undivided attention much of the day or they get into a lot of things, need to be watched, fed, cleaned, changed. No way was Casey being a Mother to Caylee with those 100′s of phone, texting, computer transactions daily. did you read at Hinkys how she’d download like 900+ images, skulls, bloody morbid pics of little girls, juvenile, some dark disturbing poetry in one day?

    A good Mother has no time for this, not to the point it takes up most of your life. Caylee had to suffer the consequences.

  235. Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:52 am

    ELF

    I totally agree re leopard changing spots. And I think if Baez were not under such a spotlight he would have creamed off even more of Caylee’s blood money.

    Here, I think when Baez brokered the ABC deal, he thought there would be more where that came from. That way he could skim off premium rates and expenses as opposed to the constraints the State would have placed on him.

    As it is, I think the Judge will ask for a full breakdown of all expenditure to date and what is left in the pot.

    But at the end of the day, any complaint re how Baez spent the ABC money would have to come from Casey. And here’s betting she is mighty p*ssed right now.

    The jail visitation logs suggest that the “special relationship” ended a long time ago.

    I also think Baez is desperately looking for a way out of this case.

  236. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:01 am

    Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:24 am

    The tutu photo you refer to is imo photoshopped from the one taken in Riccardo’s apt. In this Caylee’s face does seem lopsided but as far as I know there are no other photos like this and we know Caylee was photographed constantly.

    ______________________________________

    I thought so too, now I just don’t know for sure because of the video.

  237. Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:03 am

    Good Night Heroes and Elf

    Enjoyed the chat

  238. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:06 am

    Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:52 am ELF

    I also think Baez is desperately looking for a way out of this case.

    ——————————–

    I agree going by his behavior at the last court appearance. He was even more of a bumbling, stuttering mess than usual, like he was about to lose it. And I think he’s had enough of Casey, actually glanced over at her with a look of disgust a couple of times.

    Or at the least he wasn’t fawning over her like Lyons every time she faked tears, he’s been there done that & must be getting sick of this miscreant he agreed to defend. He’s in it too deep now & probably is realizing he’ll be neither as rich or famous, at least in the right way, as he first thought.

  239. mchl454 said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:07 am

    You may be right, mchl454. I absolutely have no way of knowing! Nor does anyone else that I’ve seen so far. I do not think the environment she allowed the child to be in was good, that much I’ll say, but, I still try to keep an open mind and hope for the best, not what I’d like to see on a movie of the week or a tabloid at the grocer’s check-out stand.

    ok thinker belle, yes or no, do you believe casey killed caylee?

  240. mchl454 said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:09 am

    yes or no thinker

  241. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:11 am

    Goodnight Scott, TE, Judy, thanks for including me in your chat, I also enjoyed it! I need to wean myself off of this site for a few days, my husband was angry that someone called me bad names & said Casey’s case is not worth it.

    He wants to ban me from all Casey sites cause it makes me moody sometimes & we have a long haul before justice. So I might not be here for the next few weeks, but will still read when possible. I do what I want, but…he’s got a good point I need a break from this circus..for now!

  242. Ina said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:40 am

    http://www.floridacriminallawblog.com/florida_juries_given_additiona/

    Goodmorning, just found a blog (the link) where it was said jurors are now able, within the Court’s discretion, to be allowed to submit questions to the Judge to ask witnesses. I wonder what that may lead to. Are jurors becoming more important to the trial?

    Funny, my husband said the same to me as heroesfan’s did to her :) But I am not good in obeying lol. Still: good point and I do the break as well.

  243. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 4:06 am

    I know Ina, what is it about this case that turned it into a media frenzy?
    Is it because we’ve never seen the likes of the Anthonys before, their inexplicable behavior?

    As much as I don’t want to, I find myself looking for updates every day. The Anthonys & everyone involved with them are like a train wreck, you must look no matter how disturbing.

    We’ve grown to care for little Caylee when it seems her family doesn’t.
    Although I know you feel differently than some of us about certain aspects of the case I think we all care for the innocent little girl who was killed.

    Good night Ina, I hope we have the will power to keep away from here when we need to, but it’s hard I know! I’m going to try,especially after this latest fiasco from someone who called me a sexual deviant for no reason other than I disagree with almost everything he says.

    It just isn’t worth it so I’ll let things cool down.

  244. heroesfan said, on March 8, 2010 at 4:10 am

    I usually don’t listen to my husband either Ina. But we were out eating tonight & juyst talking & he asked what I did on the computer today. I casually said oh I talked about the casey anthony case & someone called me a slu*.

    He’s like what, you need to stay away from those blogs and he was really pizzed..lol..this time he’s got a good point!

  245. judypc said, on March 8, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Scotswoman:
    check this report http://www.wftv.com/news/17567178/detail.html
    I think it links to the report.

    Casey’s computer showed that she had visited Web sites discussing chloroform and had done Internet searches on missing children the last being done in March.
    To me this indicates she was learning how searches for children were done, the reactions of parents of missing children, and the overall reaction of law enforcement.

    Also, what one should look at closely are the search terms she used, if you consider that the terms you use when doing a search reflects you’re thoughts at the time of you’re search.

    For instance if I wanted info about a shovel, I would consider the job the tool was being used for, and I would type in something like “what is best garden shovel?”
    Someone else might look for “Roofing shovel, or snow shovels” you tend to reflect you’re desire for particular info in the terms you use to search.

    In Casey’s searches she used terms such as “How to make chloroform, and inhalation of chloroform”
    She also termed her searches on weapons very specific, “Using Household items as weapons”

    Then if you look closely at some of her messages she reveals her true feelings about her child.
    “Should I bring the little snot head?” for instance and “I can give her cold meds and knock her out”

    To me these illustrate her true thoughts and lack of tenderness for her child.
    Our subconscious mind always directs our actions and the terminology’s we use in our everyday walk in life.

    heroesfan:
    Don’t allow the Mcgruffs to spoil you’re day, no matter the subject there will always be those that want to pick a fight or cause discord, it is their need to sour you’re day because they are sour on life.

  246. FRG said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:04 am

    judypc – Hello there!!!
    Take a look at KC’s docket, hopefully Kathi belich got a hold of them today.
    http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/default.aspx
    03/08/2010 Motion
    for Determination of Indigency for Costs (re-faxed due to pages missing from 3/5/10 packet)
    03/08/2010 Affidavit of Insolvency/Indigency
    03/08/2010 Affidavit of Attorney’s Fees
    Indigent for Costs re: Andrea Lyon
    03/08/2010 Affidavit of Attorney’s Fees
    Indigent for Costs re: Jose Baez

  247. craigatwftv said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Casey Anthony trial date set by Judge Stan Strickland for May 9, 2011. Find the full details VERY SOON here: http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony — including a copy of the Judge’s order with other deadline dates, as well.

  248. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:15 am

    Now we will see what deadlines have been set for the Defense to get the depos done.

    Having said that, I still think the defense will try to stretch those deadlines as now they can claim that there is a delay while waiting for indigent funds & then later, they’ll cry JAC red-tape holding up monies to get tasks completed on time. I think Judge Strickland may have created this schedule before the indigency motion, and we’re just seeing it filed now?

    Regardless, there will finally be some movement. Skaal!

  249. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:21 am

    Update: All witness depos must be completed by Oct. 31, 2010.

    That’s 7.5 months to complete tasks on the State’s dime that could have been undertaken at any time in the past year if the bulk of the previous monies hadn’t gone towards JB’s fees.

    Guess KC never wanted to pay for the right to a speedy trial to clear her name and prove herself innocent of all charges? County jail is much more comfy & cozy Lowell will be.

  250. FRG said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Mr. Craig,
    Thank you very much!!! You are the best!!!

  251. No Nic said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Finally the Judges order for the time line:

    http://www.wftv.com/pdf/22774322/detail.html

  252. No Nic said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Oops, I forgot, Thanks Craig.

  253. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Here is the calendar order:
    http://www.wftv.com/pdf/22774322/detail.html

  254. No Nic said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Elf,

    I particularly like #6. Looks like Judge S. is preparing for the conviction. :smile:

  255. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:42 am

    LMAO! You caught that, too? I don’t usually LOL, but I did when I read that. I imagined fast-forwarding to June 2010, didn’t you?

  256. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Help me out here. Noting all the dates for filing each witness list, does this order supersede previous order to submit a defense witness list?

    Let me phrase this up a different way: are we still due a current Defense witness list or full listing of those they plan to depose? Before the dates outlined in this new time line calendar?

  257. Hazaka said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:50 am

    No Nic — and ThoughtElf ————– Do you really read that into #6??? Seems boiler plate scheduling …… Judge can’t leave anything dangling nor to chance…. has to cover all aspects ——————

  258. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:59 am

    (answered my own question above in completing this)

    Cheat sheet of due dates:

    * June /10 – Discovery phase witness witnesses addressed

    Aug 30/10 – all other witness lists due

    Sept 30/10 – State’s Expert depos completed
    Sept 30/10 – All LE officer/employee depos completed

    Oct 31/10 – Defense Expert Evidence Review
    Oct 31/10 – All non-forensic/scientific evidentiary motions must be filed
    Oct 31/10 – All other witness depos due

    Nov 30/10 – Defense Expert Witness list
    Nov 30/10 – Expert Witness Reports
    Nov 30/10 – All forensic/scientific related reports

    Jan 31/11 – All non-forensic/scientific evidentiary motions must be heard prior to this date

    Feb 28/11 – State depos of all Defense expert witness,
    Feb 28/11 – Drop-dead date for all motions related to forensic/scientific to be completed

    May 9/11 – Trial begins

  259. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Hazaka,

    Agree that JS was just leaving nothing to chance. But, yes, I certainly did read into it that there will indeed be a penalty phase. Mind you, I’ve always thought there would be a penalty phase.

    I guess I just had a laugh because I was trying to imagine who would stand up for her as character witnesses? Other than her folks?

  260. No Nic said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Haz, no I don’t believe that it was boiler plate as he could have set that time line at the time of conviction. Besides, this trial will certainly last well over a month which will go past the June 10 th deadline.

  261. FRG said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Funny, where are LKB and Dr. Lee affidavits??? Maybe it is not as of yet in the docket.
    Does anybody know anything how it works???

  262. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Nic:

    Is June *2010* a typo?

    I think that should read 2011.

  263. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Missing the mitigation social worker affidavit, too. Assume Garcia’s is all lumped in with JB’s. Perhaps this is the signal we’ve been expecting that Dr. Lee & LBK skipped out?

  264. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Reading the indigency & affidavits right now. Couple things stand out:

    1. KC claims to have had no income since incarceration -> meaning blood money paid while she was out on bond?
    2. Most of the points raised for costs focus on Lyons – JB only barely mentioned. Is this another sign JB is going to be out?
    3. Reading the affidavit, I get a lump in my throat are fire in my eyes when I see 0 (zero) on the first line, as in “I have 0 dependants.” Yes, KC, you got rid of you only dependant.
    4. “No other compensation, things of value or funds have been paid or are anticipated to be paid to the attorney in this case by any other person or source.” Sorry ’bout your luck JB – that one is signed on point of perjury.

  265. Hazaka said, on March 8, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Who in heaven’s name is James L. McIntyre????????

  266. No Nic said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Nic:

    Is June *2010* a typo?

    I think that should read 2011.
    ============

    Correctomundo mein fair Elfenfrau.

  267. FRG said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Hazaka @ 2;21 pm – Just when you think you saw everything in this case, there we go again!!! Did you read James L McIntyre correspondence? Is this guy for real??? 8shaking my head*

  268. No Nic said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    Haz, as far as I know a defrocked Attorney who has injected himself into this case.

  269. NosyParker said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Is it odd to anyone else that Casey left blank the question does she has any debts? Every other question is answered with zero or N/A. Doesn’t she at least owe Dominic Casey, or so he claimed to the Florida Bar. His contract may have been with Baez but the money would have to come from Casey and/or the mysterious benefactor, not out of Baez’s own pocket.

  270. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Busy week for JB. We’re finally seeing the end of the stall shell game.

    He’s taking LE depos the next few days, including John Allen’s.

  271. Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Judypc

    Many thanks for the link to the article about the missing children sites. I had read the actual PDF report before but it doesn’t actually show or reference these searches.

    However, I’m thinking wftv reporters must have got this info from the excel data sheet referenced in the report.

    wftv said:
    “Digging through Casey’s Internet history, Eyewitness News discovered evidence she was surfing missing children
    web sites months before Caylee disappeared. She visited one more than a year ago. Ironically, now Caylee’s picture takes center stage
    on that same site.”
    end quote
    .
    I think ThoughtElf said she had seen the excel spreadsheet on another site. It doesnt seem to be widely available. Maybe she would be kind enough to post the link. I certainly would like to see the manner of these searches, as you say the exact words or phrases used.

    This could be so damning for her…….the article by wftv suggests she visited one of the sites as far back as September 2007.

    Now, if we could just get to the truth about the fight on the 15th…….Then, I would be tempted to think , she killed Caylee purely to get back at Cindy. Until I know that for sure, Im going to stick with ……….my ” couldnt get a sitter, flew into a rage theory” lol

  272. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    Hi Scots:

    Digging for JWG’s search analysis, but I have to take off for a while, so it might be later this eve when I find it.

    In the interim, regarding the June 15th fight – Mark Furman reported that Cindy herself told him about it, plus there was the neighbor’s statements regarding the fight.

    Some good reading/commentary/speculation here:
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83435

  273. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Scots:

    As I said, just heading out, but you might find it in this thread:

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69288&page=22

    Scan for posts by JWG &/or JamesBond for best analysis on searches

  274. dondi said, on March 8, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    look at Casey’s morphed signature on the application; it is a heart.

  275. Scotswoman said, on March 8, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Elf

    Many Thanks …….catch you later

  276. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    Just read on another site that Defense filed motion to block: (no link to the motion)

    - the hot body contest & other KC partying pics
    - CA 911 calls
    - CA & GA statements that depict KC as a liar & a thief
    - other friend & family statements

    Defense states all of the above are too prejudicial.

    IF they do manage to get an order to block CA & GA’s statements, will they just redact the pertinent parts, or will their entire OCSO & FBI statements be barred from the hearing?

    They’re shooting for the moon. At best, I think they might get the 3rd 911 call out, but maybe not the rest?

  277. talking2much said, on March 8, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    Thoughtelf,

    I think that’s the motion to preclude prior bad acts, so far that hasn’t been heard by the judge yet.

  278. judypc said, on March 8, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    Scotswoman:

    There are neighbors statements that say “they witnessed the fight” described the loud name calling, cursing, and Casey’s car speeding away.
    There are Lees statements about the fight.
    And as ThoughtElf posted there is a statement by Mark Furman where he says Cindy herself admitted to the fight.
    also Jesse made a statement where he said Lee had described the fight to him as being violent, that it ended with Cindy having Casey in a choke hold with her hands around Caseys neck.
    and if memory serves me Tony also made a statement about the fight, I want to say he said Lee informed him, but I am unsure at this moment.

  279. talking2much said, on March 8, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    Thoughtelf

    Your right, according to clickorlando, there is a new motion.

    That makes no sense, they already filed a motion to preclude prior bad acts, but it was flawed, terribly flawed.

  280. frankie said, on March 8, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    How in the world can the 911 calls be kept out???? Too prejudicial? OMG that is patently ridiculous. If everything that is prejudicial to that murdering POS is kept out, they might just as well cancel the trial and nominate her for MOTY. This is just too infuriating for words.

  281. frankie said, on March 8, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    It will take as long to get justice for Caylee as she lived.

  282. frankie said, on March 8, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Hear that cindy and george. The father of Chelsea King, though he could barely speak through his tears, thanked everyone who searched for his daughter. THAT is how parents/grandparents act when a child is missing/killed. You might need that heads up for your scamdation.

  283. talking2much said, on March 8, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Frankie

    I don’t think the 911 calls will be excluded, I see cases where the calls are used all the time.

    And I think it will be longer for justice than Caylee was alive by the time this is complete.

  284. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    I’m hoping they’ll throw a copy of this motion to block up early tomorrow.

    I’m trying to make a list of all of the ‘other’ friends & family statements they’ll try to block. Shirley’s? Rick’s?

    Can anyone remind me what JS decided when he saw those other photos – I think in camera – way, way back? We never got to see those – they weren’t released. I must go hunting.

    Frankie – you never fail to sum it up in a way that makes me grin. ‘Scamdation’ is a keeper.

  285. Huh? said, on March 8, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    From News 13

    Her defense team wants pictures, interviews and phone calls thrown out.

    Numerous pictures have surfaced showing Anthony partying with her friends.

    The defense is arguing that these pictures create a huge bias against Anthony. The team also says only one set of pictures fall in the timeframe of when her daughter was missing.

    Her lawyers say that any pictures taken at clubs, bars or parties before Caylee’s disappearance are irrelevant.

    In a new motion the defense writes “the media has used multiple photos in order to vilify her as a ‘party girl’ who must be responsible for her daughter’s death.”

    There’s also a list of statements submitted by the defense that they want no mention of at Anthony’s trial.

    Some of those statements include the infamous 911 call when Cindy Anthony said “it smelled like a dead body in the car.”

    Or when George Anthony said to a tow truck worker “the daughter is telling us crap, a bunch of lies.”

    It also includes statements Roy Kronk made to former deputy Richard Cain.

    Her team said it’s unfair to the case, and a jury should never hear about it.

    The defense wants it all tossed out on the basis that its hearsay evidence.

  286. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    When in doubt, scream & shout!

    That’s pretty much what JB is up to this time.

    Party pictures from before Caylee was missing aren’t really legally relevant, so those aren’t likely to make it in. Party pictures while Caylee was missing? Damn right they are key pieces of evidence. Anything that shows her ‘ugly-coping’ state of mind during that time line isn’t prejudicial – it is evidence.

    The tow-yard employee – might get stricken as hearsay. Depends on whether there was a corroborating witness. Was this in Simon Birch’s statement or Gary Ridgeway’s? And was the female tow-yard employee present when George told Birch/Ridgeway that? (Sorry, I can’t recall her name.)

    Nevermind, I found it: Lines 16 – 19 – page 6 – Birch’s stmt: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/28295596/Simon-Birch—Tow-yard-Mgr—OCSO-Stmt

    Birch is a direct witness that George stated this to – so it is NOT hearsay. He can testify to hearing it from George firsthand.

    Boy, you can sure tell they’re trying to mitigate the 31 days and the whole family’s actions, behaviors on July 15 – 16th, can’t ya?

  287. frankie said, on March 8, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    Party pics before Caylee went missing don’t make me think she was a murderess, they let me KNOW she is a sleaze bucket, STD repository. The party pics AFTER her tiny daughter was nowhere to be found, screams to me that she is a murderess.

  288. frankie said, on March 8, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Apologies…that was uncalled for on my part. She is just sooooo nasty.

  289. judypc said, on March 8, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Frankie No worries Mate.

    The State will not miss a step.

    Jokin Jose’ & Lyon’s will claim when Cindy said “it smells like a dead body in the damn car”
    That it was an excited utterance of an untrained lay-person.
    That Cindy Anthony could not know what a damn dead body smells like, because she is not qualified to determine what death smells like.

    The State will then ask, Ms. Anthony what do you do for a living?
    How long were you employed as a nurse?

    The photos prior to Caylees death they will claim as prejudicial and may get some lead-way, but the state can counter with prior acts if they try the ugly coping defense.

    The statement by the tow yard supervisor can not be termed hear-say as it was a direct statement made to him in a conversation, to be hear-say it would have to come from a third party.

    The statements by friends he wants excluded can easily be brought up in court under testimony, they really do not need to use the statements taken by police.

    And Roy Kronks statements made to Deputy Cain being excluded in one way helps the state, and if Jose’ then approaches those statements, which we know he will in order to get into court the 3 failed attempts by Kronk the State can counter through the open door law.

    So in essence Jose’ has not advanced his case with these motions.

  290. frankie said, on March 8, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Very reassuring JudyPC, at least my BP dropped under 250! cindy can’t be deemed untrained, after all, she said at one point that she was a “nurse of decomp”! She should be declared and expert witness.

  291. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    Oh hell NO, Frankie. Then Cindy would want to be a PAID expert witness.

    Perish the thought.

    Know one thing I’d like to see come up in during the trial, even though I doubt it can be – what ‘innocent’ mother of a missing child would sit cozily in her cell instead of attending hearings – up until the Judge forced her presence? Pretty much the same thing as her not reporting or discussing Caylee being missing – until forced into it.

  292. Arkie3 said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    Don’t mean to intrude on a conversation, but Val has a funny post up on Hinky. I for one needed some humor. WARNING- don’t drink any coffee while reading- I snorted mine out my nose.

  293. frankie said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    ThoughtElf: True…darn hadn’t thought of that! old cindy would definitely want her cut of the action. She would probably be like that whiny guy who said he wouldn’t get out of bed for under 200k or some such silliness. I sure wish I could buy these idiots for what they are worth and sell them for what they THINK they are worth…..I could pay for the defense many times over…LOL

    I always thought that was weird even for casey. Who would sit idly by in their cell, filing her nails or napping while her fate was being decided without her? She probably figured old bozo would do as every other male in her life did (at least in her reality) and rescue the damsel in distress. Boy she sure picked the wrong pony! bozo looks more like a leprechaun than a knight in shining armor.

  294. frankie said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Arkie: That was pretty clever …. LOL

  295. frankie said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Well…I am off. I am going to go do something mindless and try to lower my blood pressure.

  296. FRG said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    Hello everybody!!!
    If you guys want to laugh, here is an article… have fun!!!
    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1931

  297. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    hmmm.

    In the Omnibus Motion to Exclude Innuendo, Gossip and hearsay – check out page 6 – point B.

    Within, Lyon implies that Cindy knew Caylee was missing for 31 days (don’t think CA is gonna like this,) states that neither Cindy or Casey were in immediate danger, then goes on to argue that Cindy’s 911 call utterances are as a witness ‘of a past crime as she believed the child had been taken.”

    Ooh, Ms. Lyon is a tricky thing with words.

  298. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    Well heck, this is finally a defense motion with some real lawyer speak. Andrea pulls some really interesting plot twists.

    I’m still reading, but does anyone else smell a bit of ‘throw Cindy under the bus’ in there?

    Stunning: page 7 “giving Cindy time to reflect and regain her composure” in reference to the time between the 911 calls. Are you kidding me?????

    “There is no evidence Cindy was under stress of a startling event.”

  299. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    Oh, there will be a smack down for this, “There was no immediate emergency.”

    The more I read, the bigger my eyes are. Andrea is so wiley. She’s picked case law in some instances that she expects the STATE will use, then argues why it doesn’t fit that circumstance. Reverse engineering.

  300. ThoughtElf said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    Val’s article was just what the Dr. ordered. :D :D :D

    ‘Specially after reading the Omnibus.

  301. talking2much said, on March 8, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    ThoughtElf

    I just read that motion, ohhhhhhhh is right! LOL Cindy will be livid! But I think most of us knew Cindy would hit the pavement located under the bus, now didn;t we? hahaha I thought this day would never come.

  302. ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 12:05 am

    I’m just reading the Exhibits now – Lee is going under the wheels, too!

    You know, I have to say that it is at least refreshing to see something worthy of reading & discussion coming from the Defense. I mock JB, just because he is so damn clown-like, like a caricature of a criminal defense lawyer, but, I’ll feel a whole lot better knowing someone else has the reins over there, so the trial isn’t entirely fubared.

    Scroll up – scroll WAY up. I must be psychic like Ginny! I used my magical ‘gut hunch’ just last night that something much bigger than the indigency was going to drop this week. And I think this is it… Andrea grabbed the steering wheel and dropped that big ole bus into low gear. She’s just building up speed now.

    Cindy won’t be livid. She’s not quite bright enough to figure out that the tread marks are going to cover-up her new tats. She’s likely saying, “Oh, anything for our darling Casey – now let’s drop another $100 we can’t afford into her commissary account.”

    booyah

  303. talking2much said, on March 9, 2010 at 12:26 am

    Oh, oh i just read that post by Valhall!

    It’s been a good day !

    I have to go read where Lee will introduced to the place where the tires meet the road.

  304. Arkie3 said, on March 9, 2010 at 12:27 am

    Gonna be a long year I think. I just have to keep telling myself the prosecutors are very good and know what they are doing. That way I won’t worry about each little bump in the road the defense makes. I too am glad to see a professional motion come from the defense. I know we will see justice eventually. As for Cindy feeling the bus wheels – couldn”t happen to a better person.

  305. ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 12:44 am

    I am not the least bit worried. Andrea is just doing her job. And at least she is trying to do it professionally.

    Two additional things stand-out:
    1. Much of what they are trying to exclude is really about mitigation – not a big worry as to it’s impact on the totality of the circumstantial evidence. Many of the exhibits fall under the category, “Characterization of the family relationship.” Whether they get some of these statements excluded or not, people like Amy can testify with firsthand knowledge that Casey did indeed steal from her or Shirley can be asked on the stand what she’d witnessed about the Caylee/Cindy/Casey relationship.
    2. The defense has finally shown us their hand – they’re trying to offset the horrendous harm the Anthony’s themselves (plus DC,) have done to their Daughter’s case, but all the motions & objections in the world won’t save them once they take the stand. They’re also still going after Kronk.

    *queue up the Twilight Zone theme music*

    “One of the fundamental truths of the universe is that there isn’t anything that cannot be improved with the addition of pirates, ninjas, midgets or monkeys.”

    (Let’s add: woods-traipsing PI’s, Lips that don’t zip, snakes, psychics and the Mother of The Mother of the Year.)

  306. Arkie3 said, on March 9, 2010 at 12:54 am

    I agree but suppose I’m just use to the defense being “less than intelligent and professional”. It’s amazing how much difference a different bus driver makes lol. By the way didn’t you mean “mutha of the mutha of the year?

  307. sterling1462 said, on March 9, 2010 at 1:11 am

    Does every ethical lawyer files motions stating that their client and someone else should be considered equally as suspects? Nope a good lawyer would never say his client should be considered….

    Does a ethical lawyer stands in front of the judge during a hearing and states that his client had sole possession of the car. Nope… a good lawyer would look into who else may have had access to the car where the body was stuffed in the trunk for several days prior to being dumped. That would be reasonable doubt…. but no this lawyer told the judge that his client has sole possession of the car until she dumped it.

    Does a ethical lawyer pitch the media instead of the court room. Filing motions under the wrong codes or case numbers in 9 out of 10 filings? File motions that the judge has to address as incorrect or without proof? Does an ethical lawyer release known mistruths or aligations against innocent people, who in fact have been proven false?

    Does an ethical Lawyer really lecture to knowningly lying to the court and the jury regarding a witness just to show doubt? Andrea Lyon statement was ‘ it does not matter if what you are telling the jury is the truth – it only matters that you can convince one juror to think reasonable doubt’ That every rape victim is the perp and to show she “asked for it”.
    Now I question what or how did some 85 year old lady dressed “to ask for it” Or was it the the blue hair that turned the guy on? And did she knowningly die her hair with the intent of “asking for it”?

    I could go on and on……..

    Some people ask if I am one sided and only see this from the outside looking in?
    No I have been on the recieving end…. I have seen what the procecution will do to get a conviction. It is not pretty nor is it flattering. But I do believe after seeing with my own eyes that 99% believe in their jobs. And in today’s judical system the uphill battle that both sides are facing. But the tipping of the scales needs to stop…. as do the lies and half truths. Both sides of the law need to held accountable to the ethical code of conduct. I know they have read them….. they are part of every state’s bar exam. If the state is to be held accountable for truth and disclosure then so does the defense.

    A murder is the act of taking of a life. A murderer is the person that took the life. A pea is a pea whether it is cooked or not. A murderer is a murderer the minute he or she takes a life.

  308. ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 1:29 am

    Thanks for the correction, Arkie. We have to stop there though, because I think Shirley is a vibrant lil’ old gal. ;>

    Points 7 & 8 on the ‘Lay Opinion Testimony’ motion are… impossibly generic? I translate it as, “Don’t let the State ask witnesses any questions about Casey Anthony and don’t even think about cross examination after we’re done with them.”

    Lyon missed on this one, as it is far too all encompassing.

  309. No Nic said, on March 9, 2010 at 1:40 am

    Elf,

    “*queue up the Twilight Zone theme music*”

    You asked for it.

    TWILIGHT ZONE

  310. ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 2:20 am

    Nuh-uh. You can’t pander to me by posting the link to music that is already on BB my ring-tone & set as my Windows error sound.

    Cough up some intelligent discourse on the motions and I might consider renewing my respect for you after taking the JB (easy) way out and going for the obvious.

    My theme song selection for the motions today would be:

  311. ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 3:03 am

    Wrap today’s AL authored motions in the appropriate context:

    I read most of hearsay/innuendo/gossip, the party picture, and the layman testimony motion ‘fluff’ as attempts towards mitigation. In my head, all of it translates as Lyon saying, “She will be found guilty, how can we make her seem less reprehensible to keep her from meeting Ole Sparky or a syringe that won’t be disposed of in a Gatorade bottle?”

    I didn’t think any of it very relevant to necessary proof of guilt, at all, as direct witness testimony can come out at trial, even if Strickland is overly cautious in granting a few of these exclusions.

    I believe that Andrea filed these with the penalty phase in mind, more so than the trial itself. There is more than enough forensic and investigative evidence on file to nail Casey, so Lyon is already working 3 steps ahead to minimize anything that will sway the Judge towards passing a Death sentence on this lying, murdering, gypsy-tramp-of-a-thieving narcissistic sociopath.

    AL doesn’t imagine KC will be found innocent for a single second, else she wouldn’t be investing pro-bono time or energy upfront in this case for a single second. She took this case on to bolster her anti-DP sentence stance, not to help prove that KC is innocent. Else, there are tens of thousands of other criminal cases she would have long since turned her attention towards.

    AL is all about preventing the DP from being carried out – nothing more, nothing less – and if you read her motions with that in mind, they won’t be so nerve-wracking. Lyon is carefully lining things up for the inevitable end-game when she has to plea for Casey’s life.

    *Anything Kronk-related in motions is like dry-ice at a cheap cover-band concert. Fake fog to distract from the lousy performance. (Science & Casey’s behaviors)
    * Anything Anthony-Family-Related is designed to minimize the extensive examples on record that her own family thought she was a lying, spiteful, irresponsible Mother & Daughter

    We’ll see many, many more motions liek this over the course of the next year. If you keep in mind what Andrea Lyon’s primary goal is, (likely shared by KC,) then this all makes more sense without undue cause for alarm.

    JB has been sidelined with all his, “My client is innocent” blustering, the A’s are being held accountable via Andrea for their ingenuous ‘help’ along the way, and AL is busting tail to get another ‘win’ on the books for her efforts to save the life of a ‘deserved’ criminal.

  312. Scotswoman said, on March 9, 2010 at 5:17 am

    Elf Judy

    I think I need to clarify my sceptisism re the fight happening on 15th

    I am well aware of the anecdotal stuff that has been going around about Lee supposedly telling Jesse about it, Padilla parrotting that, supposed neighbours’ statements and the claim that Cindy told this to Mark Fuhrman.

    Im sure Cindy and Casey went at it in June and Im sure neigbours can testify to that. As for Mark Fuhrman, again I cannot find anything where he says Cindy told him there was a fight. What I did find was a transcript from the Greta show where Fuhrman actually tells Greta that the couple denied it.

    Here is the link
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402098,00.html

    and here is the relevant segment

    VAN SUSTEREN: Did the parents or the grandparents — did they say anything to corroborate that, or Lee, or anyone say anything that would tend to corroborate the neighbor’s statement?

    FUHRMAN: No. Exactly the opposite. In fact, I asked Cindy Anthony and George if there was a fight that they had with Casey that weekend or any time close to the time when she took Caylee and left, and they absolutely said not. And that seems to be, you know, a direct conflict with a neighbor who on that weekend said that there was, you know, an argument.
    ends

    Another thing that bothered me was Shirley Plesea NOT mentioning to police that on Father’s day, she and Cindy had talked about Casey’s stealing of the cheque in April. I rightly or wrongly got the impression that Cindy knew long before 15th June that Casey had stolen from her grandfather’s account.

    I have never heard Lee Anthony corroborate the fight in his statements and ofcourse why would he? That leaves Jesse or the neighbours. Jesse got it very wrong about hearing Caylee in the background, so I think its possible he got this date wrong too. And I have yet to read/hear a neighbour/witness statement that ties the fight down exclusively to the night of the 15th June as opposed to the 14th or the 13th.

    So let me be clear, Im not saying there wasnt a fight or indeed many fights.
    I have just yet to see tangible proof that safisfies ME that this was the event that triggered Caylee’s murder. And ME hardly matters in the scheme of things . lol

    Perhaps there are certain things we will only really know at trial………if ever .

  313. judypc said, on March 9, 2010 at 10:25 am

    sterling1462 said, on March 9, 2010 at 1:11 am

    That is prob the best post I have read to date.

    As someone with a great love for “the law” in its pure state I have to say BRAVO!!
    Outstanding post.

  314. No Nic said, on March 9, 2010 at 10:32 am

    ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 2:20 am

    I guess the only thing I can cough up this morning is a fur ball after that catty little remark. Have a great day.

  315. concerned4caylee said, on March 9, 2010 at 10:45 am

    ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 3:03 am

    Wrap today’s AL authored motions in the appropriate context:

    I agree. I also think that any picture (after Caylee went missing) will be used for evidence.

  316. sterling1462 said, on March 9, 2010 at 11:10 am

    If Baez had photos showing she had looked for her daughter or was remoseful he would want them entered as evidence.
    If Baez had those he would have sold them to the globe by now…..
    I say anything leading up to the death should be in. From the time she started searching the internet on ways to kill her whole family.
    notice he does not ask that the pictures that Casey deleted from myspace during the 31 days to be withheld…. hummmmmmmm

  317. sterling1462 said, on March 9, 2010 at 11:13 am

    ohhh I used the word “kill” yes Andrea Lyon’ favorite word…..
    Guess what Ms. Lyon if you like the word KILL so much I will incooperate it in every post….
    I do not like Casey…. she KILLED her daughter!

  318. No Nic said, on March 9, 2010 at 11:16 am

    As far as the motion is concerned, I think that Andrea Lyon is trying to re-write the hearsay rule in the State if Florida. I would hope that Judge Strickland will see through this transparent effort on her part. If she gets all that thrown out, they might as well throw the key into Casey’s cell and tell her to go home.

  319. sterling1462 said, on March 9, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Defense attorneys make mountains out of molehills. They create smokescreens so thick they could convince a jury that the courthouse is on fire. In truth, their job is to take the focus off the defendant’s actions, and to make the jury believe that the victim is the wrongdoer. If you’re the victim of a crime, you’re fair game – an open book. Indeed, a defense strategy succeeds when the jury stops wondering if the defendant is bad and starts wondering if the victim is bad. In some cases you almost expect the jury foreman to stand up and say, “We the jury find the VICTIM guilty!”

    Of course, Casey Anthony is presumed innocent in a court of law, but we need to start telling the truth about the presumption of innocence. The phrase “innocent until proven guilty” does not mean that those who have examined all the evidence before trial must stick their heads in the sand and draw no conclusion whatsoever. Prosecutors don’t drag people into court because they assume they’re innocent – they indict people because they believe they’re guilty. When the grand jury voted to indict Casey Anthony it didn’t assume she was innocent. Its vote meant there was probable cause based on extremely damning evidence to assume she was guilty.
    **************
    the above statement is in part from judypd…… I changed it a little…. below is just me
    **************************

    The grand jury is made up of citizens not prosecutors. People like me and you. People who looked into the evidence presented to them by the prosecutors. Yes the same prosecutors that some say plant or railroad innocent people. But every step is taken in capital cases to insure that this does not happen. That is part of what the Grand jury stands for. Another thing that is set in place is a strict mandate as to the quaifications of lawyer defending the accused. These are set to protect them.

    And you questioned why 13,000 pages of documents have been turned over to the defense? There is that much damaging evidence in this case. After a year and 9 months the defense has not shown that there is one piece of paper of evidence that Casey Anthony did not kill her 2 year old child. Not even a witness list containing one person that will vouch that she had an alibi. Not one expert has been added to the defense witness list… that can vouch that any of the 13,000 pages of state has turned over can be disputed. Not one. The defenses deadline to turn over discovery regarding factual proof that Casey did not commit this murder was on Feb 1, 2010. This date was set by the Judge after the defense team stood in court and stated they had proof and fact that Casey was not the murderer. The judge gave them 60 days to show the proof. The defense did not respond nor did they ask for more time. And as of today 3-8-10 the defense team has not filed the court ordered discovery.
    No alibi for the time frame. No other reasonable example of who what when or how this child ended up in a wooded area with 3 layers of duct tape across her face. Stuffed in not 1 but 3 bags.
    The defense has claimed on national tv, in a court of law and in motions that there is no evidence that Caylee was even murdered.
    And then in the very next motion claim that the meter reader should be just as much of a suspect in the murder.

  320. testme said, on March 9, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Hello everyone, I can not wait until tomorrow and to read the docs coming out.

  321. amazed said, on March 9, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Have been away from this case a couple days, I think after a bit we all get frustrated and need a break. The reading here has been great today, with a lot of intelligent back & forth remarks.

    TB I am in agreement with your statement regarding the cost of this case, and the money that could be used to better advantage helping live children in need, but that would never happen. I don’t agree that the DP is not a deterrant. It will at least deter THAT person from ever killing again, and I believe totally that it certainly WOULD deter others from taking that step over the edge if they thought that the DP would be carried out. Now all it means in many states is that if you get pizzed off enough at someone annd kill them, you get free room, board, and all the other amenities theses killes are entitled to today, because there are people out there who think they should be treated with respect and dignity!! Casey is a sociopath, Casey would kill agiain if she felt she needed to, and as a sociopath, she would feel she needed to.

    I think the Anthonys deserve all the misery they inflicted on themselves and should also be held accountable for the crimes trhey committed in trying to cover this up.

    I would love to see the money trail that SS kept refering to, as she said it was shocking.

  322. ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Sorry Nic. Should have added a ;) in spirit intended.

  323. sterling1462 said, on March 9, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    According to the motion filed they are asking for all of Baez and Lyon’s expensed TO DATE to be paid by the court. Baez is also listed on a second case the Check fraud…. I see a motion coming for those to be paid too. No wonder Baez is not fighting restiution….. cann’t fight with what you do not have….

    From the way I read the motions regarding indigent….
    The fees they are asking the courts to pay are the lawyer’s back fees….
    and future fees….
    the motion title reads
    INDIGENT FOR COSTS OF ATTORNEY’S FEES
    FEES PAID OR TO BE PAID this looks like a bill to me…
    Casey claims she has not made any money… since arrest….

    The way I read them nothing in the motion states that any money has already been paid by Casey.
    What am I reading wrong?
    No Nic just stay away from me… please…. I am just trying to understand….

  324. amazed said, on March 9, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    @Sterling..

    How rich!! Casey hasn’t made any money since her arrest. When did she make money before her arrest? Actually she did make money off poor dead Caylee’s pictures aftr her arrenst if we are to believe that she already paid JB $111,000.00. Maybe I am misunderstanding something.

    Again, it boggles the mind that these poor “indigent” ANthonys never looked for child support or SS benefits. Would they be able to collect them from SS or a live father for the two years that Caylee was alive at this point?

  325. sterling1462 said, on March 9, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Amazed that is what I am having trouble with….
    I called a lawyer friend he said you would not file this motion unless you are asking for those fees to be paid.
    this is a bill not a statement showing payment….
    Now everyother motion that has been filed has been wrong….. so maybe they just filed their already paid expenses under the wrong motion……
    No where in the rants of the motion show anytype of payment being made to pay the lawyers fees….

  326. sterling1462 said, on March 9, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    LEAN OVER FLORIDA…. THIS IS GOING TO HURT……
    JUDGE HAS RULED ON INDIGENT STATUS

  327. No Nic said, on March 9, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    I don’t see anywhere I addressed a post to anyone but ThoughtElf. I think this comment “No Nic just stay away from me… please…. I am just trying to understand….” was highly unwarranted. Just because one of my comments was sandwiched in between yours does not mean I was addressing or countering anything you said. It just happened to be a comment and in fact, a response to ThoughtElf’s comment to me at 2:20 AM asking me to cough up some intelligent discourse on the motions, which I did. It had nothing to do with you.

  328. Wait 'N See said, on March 9, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Thar she blows…………

  329. ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    I find your discourse to be consistently intelligent. ;)

    You might like this read – great theory on how & why the dogs hit in the A’s backyard. Makes more sense than any other theory I’ve read yet on the K9 yard hits – starts at post #507:
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69807&page=21

    I wish Val would invite BondJamesBond as a guest writer on hinky, too. He & JWG have done some great double-team threads.

  330. Myrtle Beach said, on March 9, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Hi No-Nic. Ya know when I saw that early post of yours, I was going to ask if you 2 are on good terms, but having read and followed the entire thread, it would seem to me that you are and thus, I should mmob. However, I can see where someone would be confused by it-even tho’ this is not the forum for comment other than the topic at hand, some people don’t get it.

  331. Myrtle Beach said, on March 9, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Sterling 1462 ~ I agree with you.
    you’ve summed up the public’s outcry: “I do not like Casey…. she KILLED her daughter!”

  332. No Nic said, on March 9, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Elf,

    I took a little time to do some further study of the brain and its functions particularly with respect to adolescent behavior into the early twenties. In my Anatomy and Physiology classes, we learned the parts of the brain and their cursory functions but not in depth. Not being a Psych major, that is as far as I went.

    For this comment, I paid particular attention to the frontal lobe, which matures last. The frontal lobe is responsible for deductive reasoning in other words; it is the final determiner of what action one might take in a given situation.

    There are two parts of the frontal lobe, the Dorsolateral and the Ventromedial.

    The Dorsolateral deals with the thinking ahead and inhibitions of impulsive responses.

    The Ventromedial deals with regulation of emotions, weighing risks and rewards; learning from experience. In the young, these two are diametrically opposed to each other as the Ventromedial matures faster. It is affected by the endorphins, which will make it stronger in pushing through a riskier activity. It says in effect that I want to go and race my car down the street at 100 mph; so the Dorsolateral being less mature is not able to fight off that impulse therefore a bad decision might be made.

    Now with that information I relate to Casey Anthony. There are life style conditions that impede the growth of the brain particularly of the frontal lobe. It starts in early childhood. Abuse, long periods of inactivity mind numbing repetitious mundane activity, too much sleep amongst a host of others.

    What I see here is and arrested development of Casey’s brain. This could very well have happened to Caylee since she was essentially raised by C&G. From what I see Cindy and George who were both working full time when Casey was young that she did not have enough mental, emotional and physical stimulation to mature and grow. Hence what you have seen relating to Casey’s immaturity. This lack of development IMO is what caused Casey to be a risk taker without realizing nor caring about the consequences since she didn’t know better. Please don’t construe this as me making an excuse or defending her. I am not!

    Statistics show that this no excuse for criminal behavior but only a contributor. This also does not mean that she didn’t know “right from wrong” but with her arrested development her frontal lobe was to weak to fight off the temptations and she went full out till she maxed out and thus we know the rest of the story.

  333. ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    I don’t disagree with any of that. In fact, I can think of several examples that support arrested development – early teens? Casey’s behaviors with Dakota come to mind. Another example would be Casey asking Tracy to wear a watch around her ankle, just like Casey’s ankle monitor – very much like pre-teens dressing alike for the after school dance.

    I’ve always leaned towards Casey having a personality disorder – Narcissistic or Borderline. Do you believe that Casey could be suffering from arrested development and a personality disorder both?

  334. No Nic said, on March 9, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Both; definitely arrested development and secondly and most importantly she is a pathological liar. She lies extremely well in two different ways. Lies of commission and lies of omission. She lies to aggrandize herself because of her extremely low self esteem. This was a learned behavior from early childhood, taught well by mother Cindy. The complexity of a lie is directly proportional to the severity of the offense that is concealed thereby. Once caught in this paradox it is almost impossible to get out of it. Life becomes one lie after another to keep covering the last postulate.

    There is no question that she fits the profile of a narcissist. Narcissism is the habit of always thinking about yourself and admiring yourself. Watching Casey in court alone proves this to say nothing about what she has revealed in all the discovery.

  335. Myrtle Beach said, on March 9, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    ThoughtElf said, on March 9, 2010 at 4:54 pm: “Do you believe that Casey could be suffering from arrested development and a personality disorder both?”
    YES! Most Definitely!

    I think her parents knew she was “goofey” and they tried to hide it as best they could. Historically, many families have “hidden” a strange family member and I think that’s how they chose to look upon their little girl rather than get her into any treatment. They also acknowledged that Lee suffered depression in his teen years which they attributed to acne medication (rather than get him into proper treatment). Did they fear exposure of the family’s skeletons or secret(s) if their kids had to see shrinks? Hmmm…

  336. Myrtle Beach said, on March 9, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Casey’s immature and childish persona was stunted or repressed at an early age. Maybe that’s part of the reason why Cindy was or appeared to others to be so “controlling” was because she knew Casey needed [constant] supervision. WHY LET SOMEONE like that have custody and control of a baby? I could see being at my wit’s end some days if I were raising a “challenged” child, but I can’t imagine NOT giving that special person EVERY advantage available to them. That is, if I were big enough to recognize and come to terms with having a “challenged” child. The Anthonys seemed to want to run from their problems and/or bury their heads in the proverbial sand, so maybe thta cost them BIG in the long run, who knows???

  337. No Nic said, on March 9, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Now I will turn my attention to Cindy Anthony. She is also a pathological liar and a narcissist. For her I don’t have to explain how and when she has lied, that is well documented as well as her narcissism. Look at the videos particularly when OCSD and the FBI are interviewing her. She continually rubs her legs to draw attention to herself. She does this in my opinion to divert attention from the question to her in essence, “look at my legs, aren’t they great?”

    When you have two identical personalities opposing each other, there is going to be an explosion. June 15th despite what Andrea Lyon believes in the motion is when the bomb exploded in Cindy Anthony and precipitated the events that occurred following that fateful night for Caylee Marie. In my opinion, Cindy Anthony is as responsible for the murder of Caylee as Casey. It could have been prevented, but Cindy is as mentally disconnected as her daughter. Both of them have been cross-wired in their grey matter.

  338. judypc said, on March 9, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    I dare say that no one is surprised that Team Jose’ is now asking tax payers to pay the bills.

    What I would like His Honor to ask is, Jose’ just where did you expect payment to come from in the beginning?

    You have a client that did not work, yet through your own statement defense has been paid over 100 thousand dollars.

    Ms. Lyons say’s she is working for free, yet you file for reimbursement on her behalf.

    Why is it you feel Florida tax payers owe you’re client more than a public defender?

    Perhaps, had the clients family had not been buying boats, 4-wheelers, cruises, diamond studs, tattoos, and other such luxury’s they could have kept their home from foreclosure, and supported their daughters defense, whom they swear they love and support and believe completely.

    What would make me giddy would be for His Honor to say.
    If Ms. Anthony is indigent then the court will as prescribed by law provide a public defender, you have 48 hours to turn over all evidence to the public defenders office.
    Court adjourned, the gavel hits, the judge stands and leaves the bench.

    NOW, THAT I would gladly pay for in full!!

  339. talking2much said, on March 9, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    This is from the clerks site, does anyone know what this means??

    03/08/2010 Affidavit of Insolvency/Indigency
    Found not Indigent

    03/08/2010 Affidavit of Insolvency/Indigency
    Amended as to indigency

  340. No Nic said, on March 9, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    T2M,

    The second one is an amendment to the first to say Found Indigent. As per Baez’ usual level of competency, he didn’t proof read the first affidavit. Betcha someone in the office is without gainful employment today.

  341. No Nic said, on March 9, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    I also meant to add that on the clerks record, they don’t publish the decision of the Judge for an affidavit or motion.

  342. Bees Knees said, on March 9, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    I just heard that Strickland is allowing Casey to be indigent. I’m not surprised, but disappointed, I guess. But somewhere over the past few days I read that if she was declared indigent the Defense would be under the microscope for the rest of the case, so if that’s true, it’s good.

  343. talking2much said, on March 9, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    No Nic

    I was wondering if it ment the State will not pay to reimburse for legal fees to date, but she is now able to recieve state assitance from now on.

  344. dondi said, on March 9, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Scotswoman, one other possible reference to the driveway fight is when Casey messages Troy saying she has not been home for 9 days due to DRAMMMA.

  345. Scotswoman said, on March 9, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    dondi said, on March 9, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Scotswoman, one other possible reference to the driveway fight is when Casey messages Troy saying she has not been home for 9 days due to DRAMMMA.

    —————————————-

    Thanks for that reminder Dondi

    That’s a good point.

    I will factor that in……..My mind is not set on any one theory.

    I just imagine if Cindy had almost choked her that night she might have mentioned it to Tony, whom she was still talking to on the phonel after 3.00am in the morning.

    This girl seemed to have no problem portraying her family in a bad light, even to the point of suggesting sexual deviancy.

    I imagine any opportunity for attention or sympathy wouldn’t be missed by Miss Anthony.

  346. frankie said, on March 9, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Evidently from the AL motion she has no one she cares about. cindy is without a doubt one of the most…no THE most obnoxious woman on the planet. However, if we believe her frequent claims that she was not worried about Caylee because she was with her mother, then finds out her mother does NOT know where she is and the car reeks of decomp….well, a normal person would think this was an emergent situation. By ms lying’s logic, no 911 call should be admitted because the person is already dead and there is no longer an emergency? I really think JS is a bit more intelligent than that!

  347. frankie said, on March 9, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    As someone on OS just posted…the anthonys have just received official confirmation that they are indeed poor white trash. :) Karma…it is a b!

  348. No Nic said, on March 9, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    WDBO Local News
    Public may be forced to pay for Casey Anthony’s defense

    Funding for the indigent Casey Anthony is dubious.

    “It’s been in trouble,” said Wesley. “It was depleted this year, and they have sought to replenish it from the accounts of the established government law offices.”

    Wesley wouldn’t discuss Casey’s case specifically but says trials set for May face some special challenges with funding because the fiscal year is nearly over by then.

    “Currently, we’re having to stall cases and not try them until July because we’re out of money,” said Wesley.

    The trial for Casey Anthony could be delayed for some time I would imagine since the costs for high profile trials and especially this one are much higher. I wonder how many will still be here when the trial eventually begins. I hope I am not pushing up Daisies by then.

    http://wdbo.com/localnews/2010/03/public-may-be-forced-to-pay-fo.html

  349. Thinker Belle said, on March 10, 2010 at 12:03 am

    So, does this mean KC isn’t the only criminal in Orlando? Or, at least the only one that’s been declared indigent?

  350. frankie said, on March 10, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Nah…casey isn’t the only indigent in Orange county she is just one of the most hated. the anthony family is so disgusting that people despise them. Most people haven’t forgotten how hateful cindy and george were to those trying desperately to find Caylee while they sat on their arzes and did nothing. casey was too busy ^5 her big bro lee thinking she had gotten by with her lies. They allowed the many scavengers in the Florida wild to rip a tiny child’s body apart while she rotted in the woods and this skanky bunch did nothing and hindered LE with their lies.

  351. frankie said, on March 10, 2010 at 9:16 am

    As much as some choose to believe mob mentality reigns and the anthonys are being maligned, it simply is not true.

  352. frankie said, on March 10, 2010 at 9:33 am

    If the detective in the oj case was punished for saying the n word in the past…why isn’t AL at least getting some sort of feedback for her comments????? That should be brought out at trial to show her true nature. The jury should hear that!

  353. craigatwftv said, on March 10, 2010 at 9:38 am

    Prepare for disappointment… the evidence released today involves proprietary software so that means we won’t be able to post it. BUT, you wouldn’t want to bother. What few files would actually open are charts that would require an expert to read and nothing is labeled. Most of the files won’t even open, despite using the supplied software. WFTV sources have said the State Attorney’s Office and defense have also had problems accessing the information. We posted an example of one of the few files we could actually open here: http://www.wftv.com/news/22794649/detail.html

  354. frankie said, on March 10, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Thanks Craig!

  355. testme said, on March 10, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Thank you Craig

  356. FRG said, on March 10, 2010 at 10:04 am

    Mr. Craig,
    Thank you very much!!!

  357. ThoughtElf said, on March 10, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    Thanks Craig.

    Are there any new interviews on the 10th disc?

  358. Hazaka said, on March 10, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Just a reminder to those who may be outraged that the “state” will pay for Casey’s counsel………….. words of the Miranda Warning to which we are all eligible…..

    “…You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to speak to an attorney, and to have an attorney present during any questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be provided for you at government expense.”

  359. frankie said, on March 10, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Not outraged that the State is furnishing an attorney at all….I just don’t think bozo should be paid anymore than a PD. I also believe that we have perfectly capable experts in this state rather than paying exorbitant expenses for andrea lyons.

  360. Hazaka said, on March 10, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    But frankie…. do we know how much each will be paid?

  361. judypc said, on March 10, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    And let’s be honest most indigent people do not get a supposed dream team of lawyers and experts from all over the world on the states dime.

    They get an over worked PD that has to juggle many- many client’s.

    I do not becrudge anyone their right to a lawyer, BUT Jose’ & Lyons jummped on this sinking ship with full knowledge, and have already per their own statements have in pocket over a hundred thousand dollars.

    IF they believe so strongly in their client, and the case they have built then they should go the rest of the trial for free.

    No PD has ever cashed a check for a hundred grand for defending an indigent client I promise you that in spades.

  362. No Nic said, on March 10, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Haz,

    I guess that those who are outraged think that the suspect Anthony doesn’t deserve the protection that all of us are entitled to under the Sixth Amendment to Our Constitution. Nowhere do I see where it says who that counsel has to be whether selected by the Court or selected by the defendant. As far as I am concerned, I am happy to pay taxes to prosecute those who would kill an innocent child. I am not concerned that those taxes also go to defend someone. Everyone of us have a right to representation no matter who it is. In some cases, these taxes are also spent to exonerate someone who is finally determined to be not guilty. I doubt the latter is the case with Casey Anthony but she does have the same rights as you, I and everyone who is outraged by this. Perish the thought we find ourselves in the same situation.

    Sixth Amendment Right
    In 1961, the Court extended the rule that applied in federal courts to state courts. It held in Hamilton v. Alabama, 368 U.S. 52 (1961), that counsel had to be provided at no expense to defendants in capital cases when they so requested, even if there was no “ignorance, feeble mindedness, illiteracy, or the like.” Gideon v. Wainwright, 372 U.S. 335 (1963), explicitly overruled Betts v. Brady, finding counsel must be provided to indigent defendants in all felony cases, whether capital or otherwise. Argersinger v. Hamlin, 407 U.S. 25 (1972), and Scott v. Illinois, 440 U.S. 367 (1979), expanded the right further, guaranteeing counsel in any charge resulting in a sentence of actual imprisonment.

  363. No Nic said, on March 10, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Why is everyone hung up with the hundred thousand dollars. This trial is going to cost well over a million once it is said and done and that is not to mention an appeal. It is a drop in the bucket compared to what it will cost. Most folks are grousing because they hate the defense attorneys involved and the way they have acted. Were it two unknown non media whores, no one would be complaining. Time to get over that aspect and concentrate on the evidence that will put Casey away one way or the other. Too much invested now by the Pros and the Def to turn back the clock a year and nine months. Git er dun Judge Strickland no matter what the cost.

  364. frankie said, on March 10, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    haz: Nope…don’t have a clue what they will be paid. I stated my opinion that bozo should not be paid more than a DP. Period. The State must provide adequate counsel and I have never disputed that right. I happen to know that the State does have good PDs who are more than capable of defending casey and I do not think it is the States responsibility to allow bozo to demand an exorbitant fee simply because casey wants him as her attorney. To prevent such an occurrence, her choice should be bozo, if he agrees to the State PD rates, or a PD. If bozo defends her at his going rate and subsequently profits from a book or movie, he should have to reimburse the state. I also think there are experts in the state who could do virtually the same work that AL does and those people should be employed thereby eliminating the first class travel and accommodations expenses afforded to AL.

    Further, casey did profit from the sale of pictures of Caylee since they rightfully belonged to her, and those monies should be fully accounted for if they were used in her defense prior to determination of her indigence. If she gave the money to her parents, fine and dandy, but if bozo blew it on crab puffs and NY visits, he should be forced to replenish his clients funds for her defense.

    It is naive at best to think that the good citizens of the State of Florida should not rightfully be livid at the mere suggestions of misfeasance since they are now being asked to pay for the defense of felon anthony.

  365. ThoughtElf said, on March 10, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but my general concern is of a broader nature, and might not be popular here on a media site. ;>

    Current federal & state laws support do what they can to support amendments with various overlaps – and loopholes. In this specific case, we see how a suspect has benefited by selling licensing rights to MSM AND by now relying upon their equal right to publicly funded counsel. There is a built-in dichotmoy.

    Generic bitching or lack of understanding won’t change in this case, or in any other case, until some of the laws change – i.e. Son of Sam Law.

  366. No Nic said, on March 10, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    I don’t see a dichotomy at all. If by selling pictures etc, and in effect paid for the defense up to this point, the State of Florida didn’t have to pick up portion of that cost. It is my understanding that the Son of Sam Law was initiated to prevent a convicted felon from profiting from his offense. That being said, at the time of Caylee’s murder, Casey was not a convicted felon nor was she when she sold the photos etc. to the media. However, it must be noted that the Son of Sam Law has been overturned over 40 times under the 1st Amendment protection. Until the Son of Sam Law is revised and made less vulnerable especially in the State of Florida, I believe it is moot in this case.

    Adopted in New York State in 1977 as a response to the public outrage over profits made by convicted serial killer David Berkowitz (also known as “Son of Sam”) for selling his story to a publishing house, this law required publishers to deposit money owed to persons either convicted of a crime or who confessed to having committed a crime in a fund used to compensate their victims. In Simon and Schuster, Inc. v. Members of the New York State Victims Board (1991), the Supreme Court struck down the New York law because it violated the First Amendment.

  367. craigatwftv said, on March 10, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    ThoughtElf, nothing but the wacky files.

  368. BB said, on March 10, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Since these cases are both in Florida, are Ron and Misty Cummings declared indigent yet?
    Or will they wait 2 years. It looks like this state is going to have a lot of expense defending baby killers should Haleigh be found deceased. I just wonder what the difference is if any.

  369. ThoughtElf said, on March 10, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Thanks Craig.

    I thought we were supposed to see Yuri’s interviews with TES volunteers & Tim in this batch, too? Either way, nothing game-changing.

    Kudos to the crew, btw. I’m sure it is very difficult to contemplate the delayed discovery investigation on your end, too. ;>

  370. ThoughtElf said, on March 10, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Thanks, Nic. I’ve researched the SoS laws in many states, so I feel I have a fairly reasonable understanding of it, and appreciate your additional thoughts.

    I didn’t express myself well enough in my previous post. Unfortunately, I don’t have time at the moment to expand much further than this – and these aren’t my beliefs, but I can see many people thinking this way:

    If you are charged with a felony crime, you either make no $ off of selling rights to MSM -> and rely upon a PD or your own resources OR you make money from MSM in relation to the crime > and get no public funding.

    Not saying I agree either way, just offering up some suggestions as to the current out-cry ‘ignoring’ the 6th.

    Back later, but don’t you wonder how much of the Balloon Boy’s parent’s defense was funded by CNN?

  371. amazed said, on March 10, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    @ NoNic,

    Casey Anthony is of course entitled to her right to free counsel as an indigent, just as you or I would be. However don’t fool yourself for a minute thinking that we could go through the yellow pages of star defense attorneys and pick out Mark Geragos, or Joe Tacopino, or any other highly paid high profile lawyer, and THAT is exactly what Ms. Anthony should also be entitled to, an appointed attorney from the PD office, and not a bit more. Maybe if everyone who is so concerned about her right to the top shelf of everything in life,started to worry more about the rights of the victims instead, this country could take the first step in the right direction.

  372. ThoughtElf said, on March 10, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Another quick scenario:

    What if Caylee had been an 18 y/o girl? Should her family still have had the rights to sell their pictures & videos of her? Should there be a law stating that no one has the right to sell another’s likeness or image without explicit consent – especially if the image includes a minor? What if the minor is the victim of homicide? Should there be laws that allow surviving victims to have the right to demand that no monies made from their images be used towards a charged suspect’s defense?

    Most importantly, should all minor victims have a Guardian Ad Litem in cases like Caylee’s, Haleigh’s, and too many others to count?

    (I’m not talking Big Brother censorship – just noting that there are too many overlaps in which Amendment takes priority over another at any given time, when any law is applied.)

    I believe many people who are upset about the public-funded right to counsel in this instance are likely more upset about the other financial aspects of the case, whether that’s what gets written, or not.

    I should go on record here that as a Canadian, I rarely ever pipe up about US policies, politics or law, and when I do, I certainly don’t mean to offend. I hope it simply comes across as general discussion – in relation to Caylee’s case. I do the same research you guys do. ;>

    Smack away at will if you find that to be rude and I’ll butt out on those discussions.

  373. amazed said, on March 10, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    @ Thougthelf, I agree with you totally no matter where you come from. lol. Seriously the laws in this country should be changed to where they actually do protect the innocent. DNA has made it almost impossible to put an innocent person on death row.

    Also, there should be a law wherein no family member can make money off the death of a child, especially to use it to defend the killer of that child. That is where the hatred for this family comes in.

  374. No Nic said, on March 10, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Elf,

    In the spirit that the Son of Sam Law was written, it was intended that any monies received by the convicted felon was to be distributed to the victims and or survivors. In this case as I stated above at the time that Casey sold those pictures, she was only charged with the crime. Some States tried unsuccessfully to include anyone that was charged in the SOS Law but that was overturned as well including Florida I believe.

    Now you can’t appoint a guardian ad litum for a child that is dead. The prosecution assumes that role as the advocate for her. Since it is not known as far as I know, Haleigh is not known to be deceased. I don’t know what a GAL could do for her at this point.

    As far as the financial aspects of this case I addressed that above. Frankly I think people should get over it. It is what it is and ain’t gonna change.

    Now as far as being Canadian and interjecting your opinions here, as far as I am concerned, you are as welcome as an angel. I have read quite a few of your writings outside of this blog and you are one smart cookie brown eyes. So keep on keeping on, I love the discourse.

  375. ThoughtElf said, on March 10, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    @Amazed.

    Agree on all points. I’d like to see those laws universally, but I’m an optimist.

    (I should add that having worked for the US Branch of an International firm for 10 years, I’ve possibly traveled more extensively throughout the US than many readers here. I know darn well I have likely spent way more time sitting waiting for delays at O’Hare airport than I’d wish upon any of my US co-workers, clients, & friends. I love my own country & critique our laws, too, but I was also born with a love of really spicy cornbread – which you can’t get up here. Does that count? I bring Jiffy mix back every time and have it shipped up when I run out.)

    I think concern of victim’s rights, fairness in laws and concern over the impact of big $ gains from crime is not at all a national issue, as it is a human issue.

  376. ThoughtElf said, on March 10, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Why thanks, Nic.

    I hate that I really do have to light a rocket under myself now and go do some real work. I really appreciate that.

    (And I’ll be wondering about which & where you’ve nailed me. LOL!)

  377. humbleopinion said, on March 10, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Bill,

    Isn’t the money going into Casey’s snack and jail account considered income? It was said that the d-team will get this money…it happens all the time in Florida! Boy those tax payers are paying for alot of murderers cases!

  378. No Nic said, on March 10, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    ThoughtElf said, on March 10, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Ahhh, the breadcrumbs one leaves that lead to Cambridge. Give a big hug to Alaily, Conner and Christopher. Don’t you just love social media? I would, if I knew what y’all were talking about. Those concepts make my head spin. :smile:

  379. Kelly Craft said, on March 10, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    Lost me on the kidlets, but otherwise, kudos. My dream career change would be a transition to a role in social media. If you ever wish to discuss off line from this blog, I’m sure you’ve turned up multiple alternate access points for contact on the way to Cambridge. Feel free to indulge any time you wish. :) (Your avatar brings to mind an old chum, sadly missed.)

    Back on topic:

    Again, I failed to adequately flesh out my previous thoughts as I was in a rush at the time.

    You’re correct on the Guardian Ad Litem. I’m of the belief that there should be a legal entity like a Guardian Ad Litem that is assigned immediately upon a child being reported missing for longer than 24 hours. As you noted in Haleigh’s case, none has been appointed, yet neither has a prosecutor as no charges have been laid.

    An ideal circumstance would have the assignation of a trustee/guardian to protect the child’s interests in all arenas, not just court proceedings. (i.e. media licensing sales, interviews, etc.) Parents, families, outsiders all have sound bites and their voices are heard. This guardian role might also be the missing child’s PR voice. Someone that speaks for the child – and only the child – at all times. Objective, emotionally detached from family functions (& dysfunctions). Too often we are seeing the ‘players’ notoriety supersede what is genuinely best for the minor victims – whether they are alive or deceased.

    This is just a 50,000′ view of questions that have resulted from cases like this. I’ve yet to find a blog devoted to discussion about specific changes, but I’d like to see one filled with debate and collaborative thinking on issues like this.

  380. No Nic said, on March 10, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    I won’t languish on an obvious oops moment unless it was done on purpose ^. While I believe that you have a lofty purpose in mind, I believe it would take a great deal of legislation to remove the parental right before or after death to achieve what you are alluding to. In this case, I can see that if it could be proven in a hearing of some type that Caylee was abused or neglected prior to death I don’t see a GAL as an option. I’d have to do some serious research on the constitutionality of taking those rights away from a parent.

    I would suppose that it might be somewhat discriminatory to a parent that is not involved in the crime. Therein lies the conundrum I do believe Ms Christie. – HP

  381. Kelly Craft said, on March 10, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    Hail fellow, well met!

    Exactly why I would wish to see much discussion on this. In hindsight, I realize how subjective my thinking was, as I was thinking mostly about cases like Caylee & Haleigh, and not about the Lunsford & Holloway cases. Point well taken.

    I withdraw to reconsider.

  382. thoughtelf said, on March 10, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Indigency hearing set for Thursday, March 18, 11:00 EST.

  383. ellejay said, on March 11, 2010 at 3:57 am

    Scotswoman said, on March 9, 2010 at 5:17 am Elf Judy

    Another thing that bothered me was Shirley Plesea NOT mentioning to police that on Father’s day, she and Cindy had talked about Casey’s stealing of the cheque in April. I rightly or wrongly got the impression that Cindy knew long before 15th June that Casey had stolen from her grandfather’s account.

    ————————–
    i haven’t read the whole thread, but shirley DID mention the stolen check(S) in her interviews with LE.

    http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5042392/Shirley-Plesea-Interview ( page 10 , and on.)

    she said that it happened “late may-early april” , she talked to cindy about it ( right then ), and then emailed kc about it.
    kc emailed back ‘” dear grandma, i’m sorry——i’ll come down and do some cleaning for you”…
    shirley emailed back that she didn’t want to see kc there at all.

  384. jmlm said, on March 11, 2010 at 9:54 am

    NoNic I have read all your posts. 1st thinking for everyone on here is impossiable and should not be done. No person knows what another is feeling deep in their souls on this issue. EVERYONE agrees the scumbag kc deserves a fair trial. NOBODY wants to see her get off. But all of FL wants it done right the 1st time. And Bozo and Broomhilda have been dragging their feet for a year! Now that Judge Stan has set time limits look at them move. 8 Interviews this week alone of police officers and other other levels of officers(det, invest, etc). Why couldn’t they have started this process a year ago? Now on a deadline they are moving! What us taxpayers do not want to see is a waste of money thrown at the DUHfense. Each lawyer if not already paid is entitled to 15,000.00 per FL law. Each witness 100.00 an hour and each expert 150.00 an hour. What kind of expert do you think a chump $150.00 will get? Not Henry Lee! As he says he won’t get out of bed for less than $350,000.00. That speaks volumes on expert fees that kc will not get. Why do you think Henry Lee only came to FL once? NO MONEY! And he helped the state by showing them things in the trunk he had seen there by helping the state. The duhfense will never get an expert to match DR. G! She is tops in her field. $150.00 an hour will not bring her brains to kc’s team. The problem that lies here in is that bozo received 90.000.00 and pro bono Broomhilda 24,000.00. Pro Bono means FREE not except 24,000.00. I see a problem here. Broomhilda being pro bono should give back every penny to the duhfense. She wanted this case and got it and for FREE. Sure they will get the states money thats a given. But what pisses everyone off is the Scamthony’s are living the “good life” on blood money of a child, their grandchild! Lets sell pictures and hey then we can take a cruise, get a facelft, get tattoos etc but we will let the house go back so Zanny gets nothing! The scamthony’s are fooling nobody! They are all liars and they taught kc very well. We the People want Justice for this innocent child even if wwe have to pay for it. But we want a limit on that amount. The justice system in Tallahassee makes the final say so on who they can hire and who will be paid and they are very strick and very tight with the pocketbook. So “millons” will not be poured into this case. FL won’t allow it. The fund in FL is for all residents of FL who need a PD and not just kc. Bozo and his stupid motions MUST stop. Wasting all this money and court time is coming to the end of the road for the DUHfense and Tallahassee will see to that. Such as this new motion to throw out the photo’s: Never going to happen it shows kc sad and missing and looking for Caylee…….NOT. It will come in. The 911 tape is public record it will come in. If a statement was made in an interview with police by more than 1 witness (which they were) it will come in. Her being a convicted felon WILL come in. It shows she is a liar, cheat and only cares about herself! George and Cindy both stated under oath they know the smell of decomp! In the fields they are in yes they do it will come into evidence. Point being the stupid motions have to stop. And We all can’t wait to hear where the money came from which Bozo will have to now tell on 3/18 in court to Judge Strickland. And We the People also feel bozo had been up to some very questionable deeds. And if the Duhfense was so worried about tainting a jury then they all should have stayed off TV! They are the only ones tainting the jury. I have never seen 1 SA on tv giving an interview. Why do you suppose that is? So as to NOT taint a jury. Give her a fair trial yes but not break the bank of FL so others get no defense because of her.

  385. No Nic said, on March 11, 2010 at 10:02 am

    Layla Grace, the two year old little girl, who captured the hearts of tens of thousands of Twitter users has passed away. The toddler, known as @LaylaGrace, died this morning after battling stage 4 high risk neuroblastoma. Not surprisingly, her parents, who’ve tracked her progress and shared her courageous fight against cancer, on the social networking site, shared the sad news with fans. “Layla went to play with the angels early this morning. Rest in peace precious Layla. 11/26/2007 – 3/9/2010.”

    http://www.examiner.com/x-30706-Suddenly-Famous-Examiner~y2010m3d9-RIP-Layla-Grace-Cancerstricken-toddler-who-gained-fame-on-Twitter-passes-away

    Over 42,000 followed this story on Twitter @LaylaGrace. It is the third highest story followed there. This is a very sad story but to put it into perspective and read about it, it shows how the parents of this child did everything they could to save, comfort and protect her. I wish I could say the same about the Anthony family. Caylee didn’t have to die except for two grandparents who couldn’t pull their head out of the sand long enough to see and understand what was going on.

    RIP Layla Grace

    http://laylagrace.org/

    http://twitter.com/LaylaGrace

  386. No Nic said, on March 11, 2010 at 10:31 am

    jmlm said, on March 11, 2010 at 9:54 am

    “NoNic I have read all your posts. 1st thinking for everyone on here is impossiable and should not be done.”
    ======

    jmlm, I hope the helium that you inhaled before your rant hasn’t rearranged your synapses permanently. Let me just say that I DO NOT speak for anyone on this blog. My thoughts are my own, accepted by some and rejected by others. If my comments offend your sensibilities, then so be it. “What we’ve got here, is failure to communicate.” – (Cool Hand Luke) You have the option of scrolling right on by. Now you have a wonderful day.

  387. No Nic said, on March 11, 2010 at 11:49 am

    jmlm said, on March 11, 2010 at 9:54 am

    “The duhfense will never get an expert to match DR. G! She is tops in her field. $150.00 an hour will not bring her brains to kc’s team.”
    ===========

    Dr. Garavaglia can’t be an expert for the KC’s DEFENSE team. Dr. Jan Garavaglia, is a Medical Examiner with Florida’s District Nine Medical Examiner’s office in Orlando, Florida. She is an employee of Orange County, FL. However, she will be a very credible expert for the PROSECUTION.

  388. Hazaka said, on March 11, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    jmlm said, on March 11, 2010 at 9:54 am ——————–

    —————————————
    Are you an attorney?

  389. No Nic said, on March 11, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Haz,

    Surely you jest!! :wink:

  390. Hazaka said, on March 11, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    No Nic said, on March 11, 2010 at 12:11 pm
    —————————————————————-
    ABSOLUTELY ……… you are correct ——————
    jmlm is way to presumptuous …… and off track :-)

  391. Hazaka said, on March 11, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    No Nic ——————–

    it is quite irksome when folks use pejorative terms —use derogatory terms to reference the DEFENSE, AN ATTORNEY , AND NAME CALLING ….. especially on a blog authorized by an attorney — and seemingly know everything —– that’s why when that blogger indicated “what will be” and “what is” … I had to ask that question….. : -)

  392. dondi said, on March 11, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    My thoughts are my own, accepted by some and rejected by others.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    hell ya. i’m a loose cannon and i’ll get to the bottom of this thing my way!
    xoxo @ nonic

  393. Hazaka said, on March 11, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    dondi said, on March 11, 2010 at 1:11 pm
    My thoughts are my own, accepted by some and rejected by others.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    hell ya. i’m a loose cannon and i’ll get to the bottom of this thing my way!
    xoxo @ nonic
    ———————————————-
    Amen to that!!! :-)

  394. Jan said, on March 11, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Mr Bill, I hope this finds you doing well. I have a few questions.An thank you again for anwsering my last two. I respect your expert OP,an what you know as law.

    When a person has a record expunged. Is that case paper work distroyed ?

    If not, If a Judge so desired to open it up due to another case. Could the Judge make the request, an that file be turned over to him /her.

    Thanks for anwsering my other questions.So if you get around to it, being you have many questions to anwser. I would like to find out about these questions asked. As always i love keeping up on what you have to say about this case ,an the laws.

    Yours truly
    Jan

  395. susan said, on March 11, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    jmlm I hope you send a copy of that to JS. A lot of people agree with all that you said but there will always be some that think their opinion is the only one that matters. Those of us that are more mature dont agree. thanks for taking the time to post your thoughtful comment.

  396. susan said, on March 11, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    also I have no respect for Baez so it is appropriate for me to call him Bozo. In this world we are all entitled t our opinions so you can call him whatever you want and so can I. see how that works?

  397. ThoughtElf said, on March 11, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Wait, what?

    You mean I am not the most mature person here? I thought for sure I was the Old Lady of the bunch. I certainly feel as if I’ve aged several decades since July 15, 2008 – Day 1, I mean.

    Or is that 31?

    Heck, must be the Old Timer’s senility kicking in.

    What were we talking about again? I can’t remember a darn thing in my advanced state of maturity.

  398. No Nic said, on March 11, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Which Way Do You Want It?

    It is quite something that some people complain that there is no equal justice in this country. That someone who is indigent can’t get a fair trial because they cannot afford a high dollar defense. Then you have the wealthy, who can. Well, you can’t have it both ways. Now there is outrage about Casey Anthony having her Constitutional right to have every opportunity to defend herself because it is going to cost the taxpayers of Florida.

    I guess in essence because someone is indigent he/she doesn’t deserve every resource possible to defend themselves. So only the rich can worm their way out of trouble with the law. Well it would seem that way but Michael Vick is in Jail. What did his money for the High Dollar Attorneys get him? Phil Sepctor is sitting in Jail, what did his riches get him? Then you have the case of the poor black man who sat in Jail for 26 years (while being innocent); because one of these High Dollar Attorneys valued her Law Degree more than doing the righteous thing. Ironically this High Dollar Attorney is the one and only Andrea Lyon and most have seen in her video conference, the disdain she has for the System, Judges and her fellow Attorneys. And btw, Ms Lyon is working Pro Bono, so what is the beef with her defending Casey.

    I see all over the Net folks spewing their outrage, when if the situation were reversed they would be the ones who would be screaming I CAN’T GET A FAIR TRIAL IN AMERICA, because I can’t afford it. Florida has an extremely high rate of violent crime by indigent defendants. Of course the purse is empty! Does that mean they shouldn’t appropriate the funds to continue to be able to afford at the very least a reasonable defense for these indigents. You would be screaming like hell if one of them were your child or relative. I guess maybe some just want the system to either stick a needle in her arm right now and not have a trial or just pat her on the head and let her go home. And, I don’t want to hear about how the 200K was spent. I am sure there will be an accounting of that and if there were nefarious things done with that money, it will be dealt with.

    “Which way do you want it?”

  399. dondi said, on March 11, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    actually vick just won an award for ‘courage’. don’t get me started.

  400. judypc said, on March 11, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    I think what rattles me the most is the timing of this motion to declare Casey indigent, it would not have come as a surprise, or been out of question had it been done at the offset of the case.
    But Jose’ declared more than once it was not considered necessary.

    It was public knowledge that she was unemployed and had been for some time, to come now seems to say they wanted to be sure the money well had been completely tapped out.

    Jose’ brought in these high profile experts knowing that there was no money to pay them, they jumped onboard quickly riding the tide of publicity, we still do not know the totality of the closed door deals, who came away with book deals, will we see an episode of Bones where they find a missing child’s body?

    If Jose’ made certain promise’s on Casey’s behalf to these people in return for their testimonies’ then sobeit, but that should be disclosed to the court, because it would be considered paid fees, and as such their compensation has already been applied.

    I have no problem with the defense being paid by the state, if their fees are only equal to what any other client in Florida would receive, Casey deserves no less, and no more.
    If the lawyers wish to accept that and stay on board then fine, but they should be prepared to pick up the excess expense on their own.

    I think to pronounce that everyone simply dislikes Casey and does not want to see a fair hand applied is disingenuous, yes she is not someone most feel sorry for, yes it can be said that most feel less than friendly toward the defense team as a result of some of their actions.

    That still does not say we that question do not have judicial fairness in mind.
    I for one would like to see one trial, and only one trial where Ms Anthony is concerned.

    I do however see in the not so distant future a client walking into a Florida court and demanding to have Skip Brittenham or Jacob Bloom defend them and using the Anthony case as their reference to the right to a high profile attorney rather than someone in the PD office.

  401. ThoughtElf said, on March 11, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Folks, If you want to read some truly powerful pieces of the time line & evidence put together well, I’d suggest this as a MUST READ tonight (read thread from beginning to end.) Many of these folks contribute to theories on Hinky Meter, too, but the work done today is quite insanely good.

    Amongst other discoveries, they’ve pretty much proven KC went back to where she dumped Caylee – between 4-5:00 a.m. on July 2nd – the day before Cindy wrote her “My Caylee is Missing” post.

    And they’re gaining ground on the theory that KC did indeed try to frame Jesse.

    Best detailed sleuthing I’ve read about the case in a long time.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95046&page=1

  402. ThoughtElf said, on March 11, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Craig!

    I’d pass that link I posted above on to Kathi – might be a very useful thing for her to have bookmarked someday. And damn good reading now.

  403. Diana said, on March 11, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    Wow.
    Thanks for the link *ThoughtElf. looks like someone has done their homework. I can’t recall though, if they asked Cindy in her deposition if she TRIED to call that number for Zanny. I remember her saying she gave it to LE.

  404. ellejay said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:37 am

    No Nic said, on March 10, 2010 at 2:06 pm Why is everyone hung up with the hundred thousand dollars. This trial is going to cost well over a million once it is said and done and that is not to mention an appeal. It is a drop in the bucket compared to what it will cost. Most folks are grousing because they hate the defense attorneys involved and the way they have acted. Were it two unknown non media whores, no one would be complaining. Time to get over that aspect and concentrate on the evidence that will put Casey away one way or the other. Too much invested now by the Pros and the Def to turn back the clock a year and nine months. Git er dun Judge Strickland no matter what the cost.

    ****************************************************************

    ..yep, 110 grand , or so, for baez, over the last 20 months= 4500.00/month——NOT a heck of a lot for a lawfirm, his fees, staff, overhead etc…

    ..every DAY “criminals” claim indigent status and are appointed public defenders ( paid for by the state) and these ARE real lawyers by the way.

    ..every DAY the state prosecutes criminals, like casey, to the tune of MILLIONS per year—-ALL done with taxpayer dollars.

    ..a lot of people are saying that baez & co. are “dragging their heels” ( true! ) while the state is moving forward, getting the evidence, their depos done ( true again! ) —–but the state is doing it with whose money ??? tax dollars! ( their only source of payment).

    ..yes, kc will be declared indigent, and the state will pick up costs for her defense——-happens every day———nancy grace just doesn’t report on it.( unless you’re a spiteful b*tch that murdered your child).

    ..judgeS will rule next week, (march 18) on the ins and outs of costs , lawyers will surely be working pro-bono ( like they care, they can’t wait for the case to end so they can write a book——or in jose’s case, be the talking legal “expert” on geraldo).

    ..i do laugh when i hear of kc’s lawyers referred to as the “dream team”——in whose dream is that? baez and lyon? they’re a nightmare so far..

  405. ellejay said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:59 am

    ..i read on the hinky meter today——-judges and lawyers DO have a back door exit from the court house——out the door, in their car, and gone.

    ..so, why do jose & co. continue to walk out the front, straight into the cameras? ( even though their latest ( ridiculous) motion has been shot down?

    ..think back to 2007——when caylee was alive and well——-does anyone remember knowing the name jose baez back then ?

  406. dondi said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:29 am

    Amongst other discoveries, they’ve pretty much proven KC went back

    pretty much proven jack. what a circle jerk.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ” pinged ‘somewhere nearby’ ”

    cell phone tracking by ping puts Casey anywhere from several hundred yards to miles from the location of the remains.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Cindy calling the bogus Zanny number between 911 calls?
    ‘pretty much proves’?
    when you’ve lost something what do you do? keep returning to the place where you think you last put it over and over again even though you know its not there because you’ve already searched the spot many times.
    same here. gave the number another try in a moment of epic stress.
    maybe to drive home the point, ‘i JUST tried that number you gave me for Zanni again, its BS!’
    did laundry?
    took showers at boyfriend’s houses?
    BFD.
    ever been ‘on the road’?
    (Casey was dodging her family, sleeping on couches and homeless.)
    what do you need more than anything else? clean clothes and a clean bathroom.
    her pings show her driving aimlessly, she had no where to go.
    she got a manicure to destroy ‘evidence’ under her nails?
    how about she got a manicure because she was enjoying spending money on herself on clothing, tatoo etc and wanted to ‘look good’.
    handwashing is an archtypal psychological manifestation of guilt. ie Lady MacBeth ‘out damn spot’.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~
    the only thing ‘pretty much proved’ is:
    that whole henhouse needs to wean off their meds
    and i just wasted 15 minutes reading that ‘sleuthy group hot flash’.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    “the work done today is quite insanely good.”
    insanely being the key word.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ‘work’
    get a grip. are you in any way shape or form qualified or reimbursed for this nonsense?
    then guess what?
    that ‘pretty much proves’ its a private (unhealthy) obsession and delusional to call ‘work’. sorta like Casey saying she was ‘working’ on her mother’s laptop when she was tweaking her facebook page.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~
    i’ll check back later to see if you ‘pretty much prove’ me wrong.
    sheeeesh.

  407. Thinker Belle said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:21 am

    I agree, dondi! I clicked on that link and couldn’t interpret proof of anything. Actually, I read it twice as I was tired and thought maybe I had missed something, leaving the site, thinking I’ll look again when I am not tired. Now, you have confirmed my first opinion. Thank you.

  408. dondi said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:30 am

    some of the concepts put forth obviously did take place.
    yes, Casey did have to clean up somewhere.
    we can assume that she did either wash or dispose of any garments that could have come in contact with incriminating evidence.
    we’re talking about a death penalty trial..’pretty much proves it’ aint going to cut it.
    if one is to follow that ‘insane daisy chain’ looking for ‘proof’ of something,
    the only conclusion i could sketchily infer is that Cindy was in a tizzy and didn’t appear to know Caylee’s location.
    btw, i’m not ragging on Elf. just calling for a reality check.
    i hope she will think my points over.

  409. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:32 am

    Read the link that thoughtelf posted ……. didn’t see anything of great insight….what did I miss???

  410. Autumn Leaf said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:48 am

    Appears a lot of thought went into the WS post. Just proves to me though that KC threw another bone to CA, and she caught it…phony phone number just to shut her up for a few more days. Just adds to the list of KC’s bs the pros. most likely had from the beginning of this saga. And another example of CA’s stupidity.

  411. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:57 am

    “but IMO the police likely got confused”

    “I think Cindy did try to call Zanny”

    “and therefore probably knew or suspected”

    “I suppose, the voice mail for JP was really vague”

    “This may have been when Casey”

    “someone called a number from the house”

    “My guess is that, after the June 25 incident”

    “KC may have given Cindy this slightly fake number”

    “She had probably learned not to give a real number”

    “who probably told Cindy “sorry, wrong number”

    “This phone call seems to have triggered all the activity.”

    “Maybe she yelled at KC, “You gave me a fake number for Zanny! I tried it and it didn’t work!” and KC yelled back, “MOM! Why don’t you ever believe me?! That’s Zanny’s number! The guy who answered was obviously Zanny’s boyfriend and he was lying to you because he knows Zanny stole Caylee! Sheesh! Don’t you watch any soap operas??”

    Above from the post by Azlawyer at WS.

    Sorry Elf, the only thing I see here is a lot of IMO’s, probabilities, supposition, guesses, may haves and seems to have. And last but not least the Maybe she yelled at KC.

    Sorry but I think that Azlawyer needs to change her nic. I hope that person is not an attorney because armed with the above she would be laughed out of court. What is hard for me to believe 142 people thanked her for that nonsense including JWG. :roll:

  412. mikka said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:24 am

    anthoys hire laywer,blame the bank

    http://www.clickorlando.com/news/22820117/detail.html

  413. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:33 am

    “George and Cindy Anthony have failed to pay their mortgage for nine straight months, according to records. The couple claims Bank of America failed to notify them of their delinquency as required by federal regulation.

    The Anthonys learned about their home being in foreclosure last month when informed by Local 6 News reporter Mike DeForest.”
    ============

    Who the hell do these people think they are? Their sense of entitlement boggles the mind. What right thinking person does not know they haven’t made their mortgage payment for nine months especially since they had been making it since 1989. To think that it is the mortgage companies fault defies logic. I guess I will stop making my mortgage payment and see if it takes the local news station to notify me that I am delinquent. GMAFB

  414. nom de plume said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:36 am

    Re: Anthonys hire lawyer . . . blame bank.

    That is one hot steamling load! Those people have no shame.

  415. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:46 am

    No Nic —— yikes …. that’s a new one…GMAFB?????????? Give some clues?????

  416. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:49 am

    Give me an f……g break!

  417. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:50 am

    a not an

  418. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:53 am

    No Nic ———– TY :-)

  419. nom de plume said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:56 am

    This mortgage incident brings to mind when they claimed they didn’t get the notice from the tow company for several days.

    I have never been late with a mortgage payment, but recently I used the 15 day grace period. BEFORE my payment was past due, I got a call from Sun Trust!

    It will be interesting to see if the scamthonys get away with this latest ruse.

  420. amazed said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:12 am

    LOL, Nine month, $875.00 not going out of checkbook… who did they think was paying it? The mortgage fairy, or the invisible Nanny, out of guilt of course. Is there a rule that these creatans don’t want bent for them?

  421. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:16 am

    nom de plume said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Not a chance nom, I am sure that BOA is laughing all the way to their attorneys office. Look for the big Red Notice on the front door of 4937 Hopespring Drive by the end of the day and the sign on Georges perfectly manicured lawn in Orlawndo. LOL

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Sign_of_the_Times-Foreclosure.jpg

  422. nom de plume said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:24 am

    No Nic – I SO hope you are right. That would make my day. I am getting a little antsy waiting for their day of reckoning.

    It’s like they stand outside in an electrical storm, look skyward and say “I dare you”.

  423. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:25 am

    And they wonder “WHY” people think they are SCUM?

    Sounds to me like BOA was being very lenient to let them go for 9 months, of course they do not get a thank-you from the Anthony’s, they get a “HOW DARE THEY EXPECT PAYMENT FROM US!! DON’T THEY KNOW WE ARE SPECIAL !!!!”

    And to blame Caylee for their Lack of responsibility, that just takes the cake.

    Guess they will next sue the mortgage fairy for not making their house payments eh?

  424. amazed said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:34 am

    I can’t wait to see how their great defender is going to skewer this around to look for sympathy for these two liars, grifters deadbeats what have you. What will they NOT use that poor dead child for?

  425. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:38 am

    Its all Caylees fault, if she had not died we would not be the low-life scum free-loaders we are.
    And if she had just posed for more pictures we could sell, we would have made our mortgage payments.

    These people have no shame!!

  426. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:43 am

    I wonder what kind of prima facie evidence Conway is going to use to prove that it was the “notoriety of the case and the emotional toll” that caused them to default. They managed to pay the Utilities, apparently when one would normally pay their mortgage. Maybe they thought Lee was making the mortgage payment. Under the bus ya go Lee. Res ipsa loquitur. (“the thing speaks for itself”)

  427. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    My sense is ……. they KNEW they were going into default —- there was some reason ….. but why they did it ….. quien sabe ……………………….

  428. Diana said, on March 12, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    OMG

    Do these two have no shame/pride/accountability at all??? Just when I think their scams are all over…POOF…..they prove me wrong once again.
    Where are getting money for ANOTHER attorney? And they need to add ………”the house Caylee grew up in AND most likely was murdered in as well”. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr. I am so angry after reading that article. This is where Casey gets the sense of entitlement/lying/stealing/ and scamming.

  429. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    quien sabe LOL Haz, I don’t know either and I wouldn’t hazard a guess a to a reason. There is nothing reasonable how the A’s have acted since day 31.

  430. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Oh how right you are Diana, just when we thought the days of “ugly coping” were over it rears it’s ugly coping head once again. I guess that Cindy and George needed a media fix. It must be like a drug to them.

  431. amazed said, on March 12, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    seems to me that they have decided to put BOA in a position of being the big mean bully going after our home at a time like this. It’s absurd to think the BOA never notified them of this, but if on the off chance that did happen, someone should be looking for a new job shortly! To begin with everyone gets a bill every month. What were they doing with it? Now, they want to glean sympathy from the public because of the way everyone feels about the economy . Not going to work Cindy.

  432. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Not going to bother to respond to posts that are niggling over semantics to denigrate some really fine work putting together a great time line for a very specific time period – not worth the effort for those who aren’t looking at the overall worth – in context of all of the events. Had you confined your own analysis to the information discussed, I’d be more interested in really discussing it.

    I will comment on this: I think it is a demonstration of arrogance and really poor taste to bitch about posters on another blog, knowing full well that aren’t here to speak up for themselves.

    JWG has contributed much towards forwarding factual details about the case. As has AZLawyer – a verified lawyer – who has equally contributed much legal knowledge over there and on other sites, like Hinky.

    Bad form. Really bad form, Kids.

  433. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Well now that I have been dutifully reprimanded with the eloquence of the thoughtful one, I will retreat to my respective corner and sulk. Not for long though as I am sure that the aforementioned posters read here as well and can respond in kind if they so choose. It would seem that an opinion is not welcome here. I now retreat and cower in the presence of such authority.

  434. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Let me know when you’re over the pouting phase. We can hug it out and move on to discussing the case – not posters? ;>

  435. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    Sniff sniff sniff, I am not done yet. I heed a hanky and a hug. :wink:

  436. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Ah, Pookie. No reason to send Kleenex stock soaring. But, there will be none of this full-body hugging stuff. How’s about a nice, comforting little shoulder pat? :D

    Back on topic: However did the Anthonys manage to pay their mortgage previously without a regulated reminder from the bank?

  437. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Brown eyes, as old as I am a full body hug wouldn’t be dangerous at all. No shoulder patting for this old duck. It is raining like hell here today and I have……………

    For the Elf

  438. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Elf,

    It has been twenty months that C & G haven’t worked. Preceding that they were in financial difficulties. It would me my guess that BOA is sick and tired of the late and non payment of the mortgage for quite some time. Years maybe. I am sure BOA probably doesn’t want the house back but figure enough is enough. I don’t like to see anyone lose their home but in this case as Rhett Butler said, “Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.”

  439. amazed said, on March 12, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    I personally would like to see them simply get what they deserve. Now THAT would make me happy.

  440. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Nic,

    What lovely selections for today – both in song and quote. It is downcast and drizzly, here, too, and Casey does remind me a little of Scarlet, although she won’t be helping them save Tara, will she?

    I don’t recall off-hand, but how do you know long the Anthony’s let mortgage payments go before they lost their house in Ohio? I doubt it is meaningful, as these circumstances are so different, but it has crossed my mind today that I doubt they got away with blaming the bank back then.

    I was reading early interviews again last, and found something that hadn’t registered earlier: JB called Ryan P and asked him to be a character witness as early as July 18, 2008. Three days after her first arrest. I guess they knew early in the game that she would need character witnesses to mitigate her behaviors while Caylee was missing?

    Rainy day reading: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1080376/Casey-Anthony-documents-released-part-3

    There is a very funny Yuri quote in there if you read carefully.

  441. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Amazed – agree. I just can’t settle on exactly what it is they deserve.

    Being bailed out of foreclosure definitely isn’t on my ‘deserve’ list.

    Side note:

    Nic,

    I think it is a sign of class and maturity to so skillfully diffuse blog BS with a really healthy dose of humour.

    Good form! Really, really good form! :D

    Back later – looking forward to what you all come up with for today’s discussions.

  442. Diana said, on March 12, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Someone will step in from the shadows and bail them out.
    I’m surprised they haven’t turned it into a Floridian Graceland charging fees to take a tour.

    It will all come out, as to why they haven’t been making their mortgage payments. Hmmm…….with these two? It will be “off the wall” for sure.

  443. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Thanks ThoughtElf! That was a great link! God, there are some intelligent people paying attention to this case, aren’t there? Are you aware that Val (at Hinky’s) has added JWG as a regular contributor to her blog? She describes JWG as very special, with awesome investigative skills, tremendous deductive reasoning, and says JWG will bring insight in areas in which she is weak. Good grief! If Hinky’s weak, I shudder to think what that makes me!!!

    Judypc, I think you hit the nail on the head! I don’t think many people begrudge Casey a fair trial, but that should have happened from the start. I’m looking forward to what Strickland is going to say about it.

    Amazed, yes, yes, yes! Let’s hear about the indigent that have big-name lawyers defending them. Snort!!! We simply are not as entitled as the Anthonys, I guess.

  444. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    And, speaking of Val / Hinky, have you read her latest? “A Review of the Submitted Hearsay.”

    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/

  445. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Did I read correctly …….. the Anthony’s have hada previous home forclosed upon????

  446. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Well, I guess it’s not just us bloggers having a hard time accepting the indigent Bull$#%&@! Apparently the State has ‘SEVERE CONCERNS’ about Casey Anthony’s request to be declared indigent.

    http://niecey456.wordpress.com/2010/03/12/indigent-my-backside-more-in-caylees-case/

  447. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Yes Haz, in O HI O.

  448. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Sorry, mikka! I see you’ve already posted the link to the story.

  449. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    No Nic ————— “splain me … how in heaven’s name could they get a BOA mortgage after defaulting on the Ohio home????????

  450. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    I’ve seen a few people on other blogs asking where to email their own opinions about Casey’s indigence. If you are so inclined, here you go: http://www.justiceadmin.org/
    The Sentinel article did mention letters from concerned citizens which kind of sounds like they want to hear from the taxpayers. Or possibly I’m interpreting that incorrectly (wouldn’t be the fist time).

  451. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    George is quoted (either a depo. or a LE interview) “We gave the house back to the bank…” regarding when they lost the Ohio residence. Then they filed bankruptcy to have the debt discharged and fled to Florida only returning to Ohio on occasion after that tbecause they had to personally appear at the hearing in Bankruptcy Court when their debts were discharged.

    BOA is required to send Notices of Intent to Foreclose and file an affidavit with their moving papers that prove the Notices were served upon the Defendants. Once turned over to the Trustee for Foreclosure, there are many documents to be filed with the local (Circuit Court?) in that jurisdiction. I would think that in addition to regular mail, certified mail, that personal or alternate (posting the property and more mailings) service is sop in Florida as it is in most states that I am familiar with foreclosure proceedings.

    “I DIDN’T KNOW” just does not fly. Because foreclosure has become such a phenomena in the US, many states have enacted legislation ensuring that the Defendant(s) have MORE than the ususal notification, assistance and fair treatment. This was a deliberate financial decision made on the part of C&G.

  452. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    Haz, it is called the passage of time. They filed for bankruptcy and erased their debt. It only takes two to three years to reestablish your credit after a bankruptcy. Cindy having a solid job was able to qualify for a loan. That loan was in her name only until they refinanced, then George had to sign as well on the new loan. Presumably he was working at the time.

  453. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Anyone watching WFTV live?

    If my inbox is accurate, then there is much new news to discuss.

    Oh, my.

  454. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Thanks for the tip, ThoughtElf.

  455. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    If this is true, then all I can say is, “Go George!”

    Why does the breaking news always happen when I have to be away for a while?

  456. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    aaaaaaarrrrggghhhhh! What do you guys see that I can’t? Do you have a link for whatever is happening at wftv live?

  457. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    oh my, now I am scrambing. go George!?!?!??? I must find out what THAT means…and I’m way up here in Maryland!

  458. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    I’m scrambling right along beside you, Myrtle!

  459. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    OK Myrtle, I found it. Woman Claims She Had Affair With George Anthony
    WFTV learned Friday that a woman said she had a relationship with Casey Anthony’s father, George Anthony and that woman was questioned by detectives

  460. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    Hi Bee…

    Got email from Orlando chum that WFTV is reporting Georgie had a fling. Lady reported it complete with pictures – and details of what George told her about Caylee’s death.

    I am supposed to be elsewhere – doing other things, but I’m trying to find a link to throw up.

    Please, please let justice come at the hands of someone in this family finally get caught in a screw-up.

  461. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    No pun intended there – but it was funny regardless.

  462. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Grabbed this from my chum elsewhere:

    Kathi B report – video is a MUST SEE

    The ladies sister has provided information.

    Soon after Casey was arrested, lasted for about a year;

    George told her Casey’s death was an accident that “snowballed out of control.”

    The sister has photos of her and george, given to LE, as well as text messages on ALL THREE of George’s cell phones

    No comment from defense yet…

    Craig – link us up!

  463. RS said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    This just keeps getting more and more bizarre….

    http://www.wftv.com/news/22825765/detail.html

    Woman Claims She Had Affair With George Anthony
    ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — WFTV learned Friday that a woman said she had a relationship with Casey Anthony’s father, George Anthony and that woman was questioned by detectives.

    It turns out that woman looks a lot like the description George gave detectives of Zenaiga Gonzalez, also known as ”Zanny the nanny.”

    Casey claimed it was the nanny who took her daughter, Caylee Anthony.

    Skye Benhaida told WFTV that her sister provided investigators with information that she was having an affair with George Anthony that started soon after Casey was arrested. She said it lasted for about a year.

    Benhaida said George told her sister that Caylee’s death was an accident that snowballed out of control.

    The sister of the woman who says she was George Anthony’s mistress said George apparently used her sister as a model for what Zenaida, the alleged nanny, looked like; apparently, right down to a tattoo that her sister has.

    She said her sister gave George almost $5,000 over the course of their affair and was told by investigators that George had taken money from other women as well.

    The sister also said that she had photos on a phone of she and George in intimate situations and shared them with detectives as well as the numerous text messages they exchanged using all three of George’s cell phones.

  464. RS said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    If that story is true… what piece of human manure he is….

    a totally debased, parasitic opportunist sucking off Caylee…….

    so much for searching for your Grandollar…

  465. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Oh sheesh, I wouldn’t begrudge that man a roll in the hay under MOST conditions but taking money? I think there is a name for that if it is TRUE(?). Photos on phones? I thought George was schooled about BAT phones. Oh my.

    I have said for months that there is more to come [out] in this case and we “ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.

    I’ve got to go read up on George’s interviews again – I’ve managed to miss a description he purportedly gave of the ghost-sitter. Maybe John Morgan will have yet ANOTHER client in yet ANOTHER defamation suit. This COULD BE THE REASON for “giving the Florida house back to Bank of America…”

    Cindy, what did you ever do to deserve all of this, Sweetheart?

  466. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    I still don’t think it was an accident. That might just be George’s *theory* – not actual knowledge. I’m keeping that in mind until I hear otherwise.

    I am disgusted that he took money from this woman, and allegedly others, too? Explains the Pimp Daddy earrings.

    I don’t think this woman was supposed to speak up before the investigation was unsealed? I wonder if the State already gave it to the defense?

  467. me said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    So George said it ‘was an accident that spraled out of control’ to his mistress. Liar, I’ll never buy it, how does one accidently place 3 pieces of duct tape around a baby’s mouth & a piece covering her nose?

    Anyone believe that, once a liar always a liar?

  468. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    How do you accidently close down all breathing orifaceswith duct tape? Why can’t George man up & tell the truth. Somewhere deep inside he wants to, I know it.

  469. RS said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    If this lady has the tattoo George described, I’d predict he will soon be in handcuffs and have worse troubles than worrying over Cindy finding this out, assuming she did not already know all about it and know all about the 5 k

    CRAIG…spelling of Zenaida in online article is incorrect…

  470. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Is this what the prosecution is withholding for 30 days? I doubt it so there is even more bad news for the the defense to come.

    Can’t blame him for the affair, look what he’s married to. But taking money from the woman, that’s low man. And how desperate is she, good God!

  471. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Ya know, between Casey and George lboth eeching Cindy to the bone, that woman could possibly emerge from all of this as “Victorious Victoria Victim” and end up on DWTS or engaged to the Prince of Brunei [sic] or some other such undeserved foolishness.

  472. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    *leeching

  473. nom de plume said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    I am doing a happy dance!

    Hero- I share your feelings that this is not what the prosecution has sealed.

  474. hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Hello …………. why now … why after alll this time ????????? Inquiring minds are dying to know!!!!

    And. .. have to leave shortly into the deluge of rain up here …… hopefully we won’t lose power again * we did for about 2 hours) so I can read more later tonight……

  475. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Oh! this is rich — or it would be if disclosed under any different circumstances.

    “I had to have an affair with that woman so I could muddy the waters. I did it for my daughter.”

    “Cindy would only let me do it if I got paid.”

    “Taint the potential jury pool – one woman at a time.”

    “Honey, this is a donation to the foundation – so you cannot claim a tax deduction because of the sex you got in return.”

  476. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    the blogosphere could well explode by the time this news makes the 4 time zones and i really, don’t want to give them any more, no not one more iota of attention, but i can’t help myself with this one. why didn’t cindy have dom casey tailing george? huh?

  477. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    ——————— and …. was this before or after the suicide episode??????

  478. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    ah, would that be the fake suicide fiasco?

  479. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    George says “Thank you, your photo is your receipt.”

  480. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    The suicide fiasco that wasted EVEN MORE law enforcement resources? Ah yes, even illicit sex couldn’t pull him from the doldrums.

  481. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    WHERE ARE THE PHOTOS?????????????????????? And, does anone have any idea why now?????????????????? Anyway … “gotta go” ……. C U LATER …..

  482. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    For once the nic is without a cognizant thought other than George ^5 you little devil.

  483. Autumn Leaf said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    “Pimp Daddy Earrings,” priceless!

    I don’t confuse easily however the importance of this “lady’s” tattoo escapes me. But nothing at all surprises me concerning this scuzzy family. Guess Georgie is a dude?

  484. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

  485. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    Myrtle, you made me laugh so hard I had to get my old hernia belt out.

  486. Autumn Leaf said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Oh yeah, the suicide attempt, complete with a six-pack, pizza and blood pressure pills.

    The baby’s death remains a tragedy. But the antics of this family are just way too bizarre to be true. (But they are.)

  487. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Sweet Baby Buddha!

    We’ve gone from JB’s Tantalizing Twizzler Tease with KC…

    to pillow talk between DC and Cindy while they look for an alive Caylee in the woods…

    to Big Old Pimp Daddy & Zanny.

  488. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Benhaida = Zenaida????????????

    ANOTHER coincident?

  489. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    Casey Anthony: George Anthony had affair, said Caylee’s death was ‘an accident,’ WFTV reports

    Caylee and Casey Anthony, George and Cindy Anthony, WESH, WFTV — posted by halboedeker on March, 12 2010 5:28 PM

    In other Anthony news:

    *** Judge Stan Strickland denied the defense’s request to stop taping Casey’s jail meetings with her attorneys, WFTV reported.

    ***George and Cindy Anthony have hired a new attorney to help them save their home from foreclosure, WFTV reported. The Anthonys haven’t paid their mortgage for nine months.

    ***Casey Anthony’s request for indigency concerns state administrators.

    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/03/casey-anthony-woman-claims-affair-with-george-anthony-wftv-reports.html

    ******************

    Great scoop for WFTV & Kathi Belich.

  490. nom de plume said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    Haz – that would be before, during and after the suicide gesture by “pimp daddy earrings”. It was reported to have lasted for a year, right after Casey’s arrest.

    The “why now” question? Perhaps the lady friend was trying to get her money back, or pimp daddy back, and finally got tired of trying, so blew the whistle! Or maybe she finally figured out how to get her 15 minutes of fame and fortune. Can’t wait to see this in the rags.

    Autumn, if he described the tat, he saw the tat, and that means he knew the woman, she isn’t just making this up.

  491. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Myrtle – ya killin’ me.

    This is my personal favourite:

    “Taint the potential jury pool – one woman at a time.”

  492. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    George’s mistress agreed to & took a polygraph. Which members of the Anthony family agreed to take a polygraph? Oh that’s right none, they all refused.

  493. question said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Mr. Shaeffer,
    I am pretty sure you won’t answer, but I jusy have to ask, do YOU think Casey killed Caylee?

    I do!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  494. Thinker Belle said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    Actually, that doesn’t make much sense since KC described the nanny while in jail. And, while she was out on bond, she wasn’t allowed to go anywhere except to her lawyer’s office…was this “mistress” at the office for GA while he waited for his daughter? Furthermore, we all know they never had any conversation that was not recorded in the jail. So, if any part of this is true, they more than likely had the affair prior to the disappearance. What type of tattoo was it? Is it a very popular one? How could GA go anywhere without being followed by media? With everyone monitoring them so closely, at least it appeared that way, how could this have gone unnoticed?

    This kinda smells like one of those things that sleazy PI pulled describing Cindy’s affair, the affair between KC and Baez, giving a detail of what people ate, etc. And, if two people are truly in an intimate position, who in the world would whoop out a cell phone and capture it for posterity? Lol! Get real!

  495. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Myrtle says:

    “Cindy would only let me do it if I got paid.”

    _____________________

    Now that, I could believe.

  496. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Cindy prostituting George out. Maybe it’s why he got the fancy diamons stud earring & the tat…they thought it made him sexier…lol.

  497. RS said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Since Conway tried to make headway by saying he had not heard from investigators, AS IF, AS IF, investigators would bring old conway into the loop, and since he also did not deny it happened…

    IMO, it has all the looks like it darn sure did happen…..

    …..and we are getting only the tip of this, the next layer, of the rotting Anthony onion…

  498. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    eww.

    Who really paid for the cruise?

    $5,000 as the going rate for a piece of George?

  499. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    I want specific start & end dates of the affair. Now please.

  500. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    How long to you get for prostitution in FL? Not a first time offender, mind you.

  501. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    I wonder if Missy Mistress gave LE all of the cell phone numbers?

    Wonder if she knows if anyone else ‘helped’ KC after the ‘accident’?

    I really have to brush up on my pillow talk. What ever happened to, “That was good for me. Want a smoke?”

  502. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    What a Three Ring Circus. Where is Barnum & Bailey when you need them?

    Send In The Clowns

  503. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Oops, wrong link.

    Send In The Clowns

  504. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Oh my God, Myrtle! “Cindy would only let me do it if I got paid.” HA HA HA!!!

  505. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Oops trying again.

    Send In The Clowns

  506. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Is this the reason for the foreclosure? Divorce?

    Pending charges? Depending on what was stated and what LE investigated, then perhaps the Anthony’s will be charged?

    I do believe this is what the State asked to delay for discovery – and for good reason. I can imagine many scenarios in which they would have feared interference.

  507. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Perjury?

    What if George admitted that they already knew Caylee was dead when they were collecting funds?

  508. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    I think if this wasn’t true the six o’clock news would have definitely had some mention from Conway, no? I mean, can you see Cindy when this story broke? If it wasn’t true I’d have heard the explosion all the way up here in the great white north. Am I being naive?

  509. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    ThoughtElf, I’m not so sure. Does it have any bearing at all on the murder case? To me it’s more an issue of morals. Why would Strickland care if it was concealed or not?

  510. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    Geeez ThoughtElf, you got me so flustered with that pillow talk I couldn’t get my link up right. :wink:

  511. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    Bees,

    Possibly prejudicial when George is on the stand??

  512. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    Here’s Kathi Belich with the story.

    http://www.wftv.com/video/22826785/index.html

  513. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    That could be, Nic.

  514. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    Bees,

    Yes, this can have much bearing on the case. Still processing, but off of the top of my head:

    1. Proof of perjury/obstruction – if George told this woman at any point between July 2008 & Dec. 2008 that they knew Caylee was dead, then any statements made after George related the info, plus media appearances, collecting funds, etc. would place the Anthonys in a very bad position right now.

    2. Likewise with their sworn testimony for the civil hearings

    3. Le might have obtained records from the 3 cell phones if she provided them with all three phone numbers, which I suspect she has since her sister is claimed to have texts from all three

    4. This story is still breaking, and I’d imagine the investigators have far, far more info than we’ll see

    5. Hypothetically, depending on dates of the affair, (which arrest?), IF – HUGE, HUGE IF – the affair was ongoing when KC was first arrested – and the Zanny story evolved in any way from the affair and KC’s knowledge of it, then the defense will now be spinning that anger with George was KC’s motive – not anger with Cindy (big if, but possible – need dates!)

    That is just a quick list – sure we’ll come up with more.

    Nic,

    I stopped clicking the link after the second try, my flustered friend. LOL!

  515. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    If the National Enquirer could ferret out Tiger’s women, why didn’t they “expose George” before now? He isn’t smart enough to be that stealthy – the who what and where’s to all of this latest poop, I mean scoop, don’t add up …not yet anyway.

  516. Myrtle Beach said, on March 12, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Poor little Caylee – relatives to be proud of and live by their example??? My heart breaks and I am ashamed of the jokes I’ve made. RIP little Angel.

  517. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    New Hinky Meter is up:
    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1985

  518. nom de plume said, on March 12, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Anyone taking or making bets if the A’s will be at the hearing scheduled for next week?

  519. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Oh, thanks for that, ThoughtElf. You’re right ~ good points!

  520. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Ok, now that I have stopped laughing at this latest absurdity, how will this impact the case? And, as nom de plume asks above, how might it impact the Anthonys united stand together?

    I think at least one of them will be at the hearing, for sure. Likely both. They’ve been fearless in the face of all media all along. I don’t think this will change much? Not sure.

    At a bare minimum, if investigators have turned up anything, it is likely to be that George perjured himself in many instances.

    I’m just trying to think through how this might impact Casey’s trial. How prejudicial is this? Without more details of what George shared, we may be many months yet from the full fall-out of this news.

  521. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    I think they’ll both show up, too. Do you think Kathi Belich will get in their faces about this? “George, is it true that you used your mistress as a model for what Zanny looked like; apparently, right down to a tattoo?” “George, would you say your mistress is a “10?”

  522. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    It could be damning only if LE has the cell phone, text messages between the alleged mistress & George & he says stuff damning about the mu8rder & Casey’s in volvment & he & cindy’s li9es, cover-ups. Since she did one thing they have refused to do, take a polygraph, her interviews with detectives could carry some weight.

  523. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    One can only hope, Bees.

    I loves me some KB.

    (Yeah, I stole the Kraft Dinner slogan, but I like Kathi a whole lot better than mac n’ cheese.)

  524. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    I hope this is not what the prosecution has withheld 30 days, if so I’ll be disappointed. Too much could fall into the category of hearsay. I hope it’s something to do with PI Dom Casey.

  525. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    sky benhaida’s myspace- Is sky the sister?

    http://www.myspace.com/skybenhaidayahoocom

  526. frankie said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    OK slam me if you must…but Gigolo JoJo…say it ain’t so! ROFLMFAO.

    Pssst….I think even though the ants weren’t “communicating” when casey was in jail because it was taped, baez was allowed to take his laptop in…..ever hear of Skype…or just plain old ordinary mail/email?

    No wonder this bunch is so isolated….who could stand to deal with the drama on a regular basis?

  527. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    I “heart” Kathi Belich. “George, is it true, in fact, that Cindy has your %$#* in her pocket?”

    That’s the name, hereo.

  528. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    I don’t think this is THE SECRET.

  529. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Sky’s Benhaida’s MySpace photo resembles the ‘curly haired’ slim pretty Hispanic Zanaida described by George & Cindy. Though I know she’s the sister of the ‘mistress’.

  530. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Craig.

    I had a source some time ago inform me of why George left Ohio in a hot hurry.
    Kathy should Look into a workers comp scam in Ohio involving George.

  531. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    I don’t think it’s the secret being withheld either B ees. I trust that the state has something more solid, like PI Dom Casey’s testimony.

    This latest ‘bombshell’ is off the wall & oddly entertaining, but invites the defense to cry hearsay. It could be damaging thou8gh but it’s not the SECRET imo.

  532. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    I do. The timing, the wish to avoid interference…

    They certainly didn’t want George going back to this woman, nor did they want Cindy threatening her, did they? And they did need time to investigate.

    I just can’t figure out what they gleaned from this that isn’t hearsay. Unfortunately, I don’t think we’ll know for a really long time.

    Whether it is relevant to the trial, or not, I do believe that the affair part is likely true and it does go through even more illumination on the characters (or lack of) these folks.

    Ya know, if George does eventually get charged with perjury or anything as a result of this – he’s going to have to stop earning his money via the world’s oldest profession, right? He’ll need a Public Defender.

    My brain really hurts.

  533. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    Benhaida- Zenaida. This is freaky.

  534. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    ThoughtElf

    At first glance this could prove to be very problematic for the Anthony’s.

    #1 on the list is they had knowledge that Caylee was indeed dead, YET they continued to collect donations, they continued to report Live Caylee sightings, and they withheld this knowledge from law enforcement all while demanding everyone “GET OFF THEIR ASSES AND FIND THEIR GRANDDAUGHTER!!”

    This could result in some major legal issues for anyone Anthony if proven to be truth.
    It also shows Casey as the killer in no uncertain terms.

  535. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    My brain really hurts.
    *****************
    Ditto, it sort of makes me wonder where the whole Zenaida, Zanny the Nanny fairy tale came from now? Was it concocted by GHeorge after meeting the Benhaida sisters? Skye looks like their description of Zenaida imo, maybe his mistress does as well.

  536. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    Ok, if investigators told the Mistress that George took money from other women, too, then assume they have already, or will be interviewing the other women.

    Who knows what’ll break next? Who knows what the other women know and how much they ‘donated’ to George for services rendered.

    Good Golly, Ms. Molly! KC – Devil in a Blue Dress, and George is Just a Gigalo.

  537. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Can we PLEASE have a plea deal now?

  538. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Judy – from your lips to God’s ears.

    Heroes – fascinating discussion over at Val’s – she has brought up a really interesting theory on how this news might have broken. Wish Kathi would comment on that. ;)

    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1985

  539. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Sky Benhaida’s MySpace:

    http://www.myspace.com/skybenhaidayahoocom

    ****************************

    Anyone know her sister’s name yet?

  540. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Thanks TE, I’m a daily HinkyMeter reader. Going there now.

  541. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Heroesfan
    Lets think like an Anthony for a second shall we?

    In fact lets think like a female Anthony…. Scary I know but follow me for a second okay.

    Lets say you are a women scorned, and your daughter needs a scape goat.

    Now, what if the affair was known to Cindy, because lets face it a women knows these things.

    Now, let venture to say Casey cracked and told mommy dearest what happened.

    We know about the split between Cindy & George, we know Cindy decided it was cheaper to keep him than to pay him off in the divorce, now lets think hummmmmm who could we pin this on?????

    Light bulb appears over Cindys head, BENHAIDA!!!!
    And Daughter dear if we are lucky…..They will both go down!! and we are rid of him and his lovergirl.

  542. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    OMG wouldn’t you love to be a fly on the wall at the Anthony house about now lol.

    I bet ol George is Ducking and Dodging, Hey maybe Cindy has him in a choke hold about now…….

    Be better than Pay Per View!!

  543. No Nic said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Elf,

    George The Gigolo

  544. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    LOL seems Casey isn’t the only one that like to take party pic’s EGADS what a bunch of Morons…

  545. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    OK, I was reading Sky Benhaida’s myspace & she’s got 21 friends. One is DMX, aka Earl Simmons a drug addicted ‘rap star’ criminal with a history of animal abuse. The FBI confiscated pit bull puppies from DMX’s home that were so badly deformed from 2001-2007 they had to be euthanized. He was also suspected of dog fighting…which only cowardly scum do. I have a sweetheart of a rescued pit bull ..she was abused & used as a ‘bait dog’ by these type of scum. Police rescued her & put her in a shelter & we took h er after bein g notified by an animal rights group I belong to. DMX makes Michael Vick look not so bad & he’s a total pice of trash.

    Why were the dogs deformed? Because DMX left the puppies in small cages & never let them out or fed them. The dogs outgrew the cages & their bodies became embedded in the steel & they were nothing but deformed skin & bones. The worst case of animal abuse I’ve ever seen in my life. I don’t know if this woman knows about DMX’s arrests in Arizona, but if she does & still oadmires this piece of cocaine addicted filth she’s no better than the DMX or the murdrer cover-up Anthonys.

    We keep saying iwhen it comes to those involved in the anthonys…birds of a feather..does this also include the people they have affairs with.’..probably..

  546. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    Makes ya wish those street cams were back on out on hope spring.
    Cause this is prob better than Tyson V Holyfield..

  547. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Judypc, my thoughts exactly…but if so what about Attorney Morgan’s Zenaida & the whole civil lawsuit?

    Seeing that Zenaida fill out for an Apt. vacancy at Sawgrass & stealing her identity info to frame her from the form & seeing her drive off in the car with NY license plates?

    The lies are so many..the conspiracies going in too many different directions now..ouch my head hurts!

  548. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    Gosh, I miss the web cams. Especially now. Good times.

    Nic:

    I think ‘Diamond Dave’s’ version is more appropriate for George. Dave likes sparkly bling, too

  549. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Dang – wrong link! (you’re contagious, Nic)

  550. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    I have no doubt whatsoever that Cindy know of this affair.

  551. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Cindy ‘knew’ of the affair.

  552. Thinker Belle said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Yeah, freaky…kinda like Caylee-Haleigh…c.zenaida &zenadia c….freaky…in a backwords kinda way.

  553. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Heroesfan.

    I really think she had the name Zanny all picked out in advance but the Description of Zanny could have been all Cindy.

    Like most things in this case its just picking up bits here and there that they leave behind them.

    The whole family is so freaking messed up I dare say we will never have the full story.

  554. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    You know what might be Joses’ best defense?

    Is it any wonder my client is a Freak?

    JUST look at her family, you’re honor we rest our case……

  555. nom de plume said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Thanks Thoughtelf! Love that Dave! Even Boy George is in the video.

    Agree Cindy knew – but she (with any luck) will get pissed with all the dirty laundry flapping in the breeze!

  556. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Judypc I really think she had the name Zanny all picked out in advance but the Description of Zanny could have been all Cindy.

    *****************

    That could make sense. Just like the way Casey lies, taking bits of real life & the truth, maybe it’s what they’ve all been doing to cover-up & create this imaginary Zanny the Nanny. Bits of the truth, bits of real people here & there, unfortunately the real Zenaida got caught up in their schemes & life forever ruined being linked top a kidnapping/murder of a baby girl.

    I still hope she sucessfully sues the pants off Casey & the A’s. They dragged her through the mud, Cindy wouldn’t publicly deny it was her for a long time & she’s innocent, guilty of nothing but crossingt paths with these degenerates she never even met.

  557. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    Judy,

    Sadly, I think you’re closer to the truth than we can hope.

    You just know the Defense will try to find a way to spin this that she had to kill Caylee to protect her Dad from stealing Caylee and running off with one of his Mistresses.

    And just when I thought it couldn’t get any uglier – Whoomp! There it is.

    When did Cindy know? Before or after the cruise? Was the cruise the equivalent of a Tiger make-up ring? Nah, maybe he paid for Cindy’s tat.

  558. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    nom de plume
    lol Bet theres more than dirty laundry flapping in the breeze about now!

  559. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    ThoughtElf;
    Now, lets get a bit more Devious shall we, remember we are thinking like Casey?

    Let’s say now comes the defense of.

    Casey was protecting her dear ol dad all this time.

    Daddy dearest & his gal pal took Caylee, and something happened.
    It was Daddy who took Caylee to the woods, It was daddy who put her in the back yard, it was daddy who put her in the trunk.

    I love my daddy, I had to protect him!!

    Big Bus, Big Wheels, setting right on top of pop!!

  560. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    think about it for a moment.
    Daddys duct tape.
    Daddys trash bags
    Daddys little girl…..

  561. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    OK. Does anybody here think that this is all a fabrication and George is willingly putting himself under the bus either as another suspect (knowing he’d not be convicted) or as someone else has said, to get the “Caylee’s-death-was-accidental story “out there?”

  562. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Sky Benhaida is online on MySpace right now.

    I’d love to ask her questions, but me inserting myself like another Joy Wray…no freakin way!

  563. BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Myself, I don’t think there’s anything more behind this than what it is. George Anthony is a gigolo! Words I never thought I’d say.

  564. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    So Skye…did you see the cell phone pics of sis & George in uncompromising positions? She’d probably tell me to f off.

  565. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    Bees I really do not see George as being that devoted to Casey, of course it is no secret I have said since day one I think he is scum.

    I have always held that he was a sneak and a slime-ball.

    So I guess it could be said I see no redeeming factors in the man.

  566. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    ROFLMAO @ Heroesfan

  567. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    BEES KNEES said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:44 pm OK. Does anybody here think that this is all a fabrication and George is willingly putting himself under the bus…

    **********

    No, I believe it..she took a polygraph..Kathi Belich reported it.. not the enquirer. I hope it’s true.

  568. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:52 pm ROFLMAO @ Heroesfan
    ******************

    OK as weird & gross as it sounds, I read the woman indeed has cell phone proof, as in photos of she & George in intimate situations. Did anyone else read that?

  569. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Heroe heres what I would have to ask lol
    hey Sky how hard up is your sister anyway?
    I mean George Anthony??????

  570. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    OK enough of this latest salacious stuff, I’m going to watch Caprica..bbl..seriously though..poor little Caylee never had a chance with these immoral freaks.

  571. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Oh mercy don’t tell me we are gonna see pic’s of George on a stripper pole!!

    I just dont think my eyes could stand it…

  572. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    So, remind me… when did the Anthony’s get baptized again?

    George, was that before or after your fling?

  573. Heroesfan said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    Heroe heres what I would have to ask lol
    hey Sky how hard up is your sister anyway?
    I mean George Anthony??????

    **************

    Go ahead & ask, she’s still online on MySpace…just kidding Judy. Wonder if they are going to shop the story to media?

    Someone would have to pay ME to be with George…& it would have to be more like $$ 5 million, joking that’s like a death sentence..or guarantee to have your life totally screwed up by involving yourself with AN ANTHONY- no money is worth it!!

  574. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    BEES KNEES ————————- anything is possible ………………. even the fact this is a fraud…………………

  575. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    Heroesfan ————-yes, it has been reported that she took a polygraph…… but … the results were not announced …. and anyway ….. they are not reliable… fact is , not allowed in trials. ….. false or false postives are common place…… again… until we see pictures ….. let’s just wait….

  576. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Something is too fishy ….. supposedly she’s online now … but …. no comments for months….. I know a little too much about my space….. don’t go on line and then have no comments for months …. oh well… we’ll see ….. waiting for pix ………

  577. Hazaka said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    —— for those who are wondering … yes, I did go on her MySpace page ….. something isn’t right….

  578. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Haz,

    The MySpace page being posted everywhere is the sister’s page – not the alleged Mistress.

  579. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    If George talked about it being an accident, did he also discuss the decomp smell? I think his ‘accident’ comment was just a theory, depending on when he told the woman this, but you have to wonder what other details he told her.

    If the affair lasted as long as a year, he might have had much to say after each doc dump, forensic evidence release and after interviews. There could have been a treasure trove of info for LE to follow up on aside from any hearsay statements.

    I have to go on a deep doc & time line dive to see what looks different when viewed with this in mind.

    Many said back in August 2008 that the A’s should have each gotten their own lawyer. They really should have listened to us. ;)

  580. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    Recall KC wanted to see George?

    Casey’s Letter to Sheriff Beary dated 8/14/08
    http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564742.pdf

  581. Thinker Belle said, on March 12, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    Here is a “burning question”…did any of the family members of a missing or murdered child get the coverage as the Anthony family?

    Here is a link to the 314 still missing, I have no idea how many unsolved murders there have been in this category.
    http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=usMapSearch&missState=FL&searchLang=en_US
    Interesting article: http://www.sitnews.us/0705news/072005/072005_shns_missing.html

    My opinion is this latest “news” is another way to capitalize off the death of this innocent child. The release of “evidence” was a dud, so, this information is like a mating call to the street vigilantes. If the police run their investigations in such a manner, it wouldn’t surprise me if anyone ever reported their child missing again. JMO

  582. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    “If the police run their investigations in such a manner, it wouldn’t surprise me if anyone ever reported their child missing again.”

    Take heart. LE does not run their investigations like the Anthony’s ‘search’ for a missing child. I doubt highly she was ever in the Mistress’ bed.
    Trying to super-impose a decided bias (grudge?) to slant this latest Anthony fiasco with a dig at LE is… odd, but expected.

    The Anthony’s get this much press because they do not behave like the families of those other missing children – most, if not all, of whom were not likely murdered by their Mother, then forsaken by their grandparents.

    pens & pencils > note that one is a whole lot easier to erase than the other.

  583. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Okay, I just watched the 11pm news and if this unfolds as Kathy B has reported, this is no small deal.
    And, I would expect OCSO to be making arrest.
    If it is proven these people knew that early on that Caylee was dead, then L.E needs to step the hell up.

    I for one am damn tired of them pussy footing around with these scum-bags.

  584. Thinker Belle said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    Did the reporter give the investigators name? Did the reporter demonstrate where the $5,000 went? Did the reporter offer a view of the photos? I don’t doubt most of the funds received by them, and other organizations similar in nature came from women. So, to say money collected from other women wouldn’t be far from the truth. However, what I don’t get is how no one ever caught the two of them before this. I mean, people would call in and report they saw GA along side the road, stop by their house and photograph them, etc. Surely even LE saw when they left the home; a camera was stationed out front.

  585. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    On the news they showed pic’s of the girlfriend and the sister at Caylees memorial, she was also involved in searches.

  586. judypc said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Thinker Belle.

    I do recall once right after Casey was released on bond George stormed out of the house once saying “I can’t take this sh– any more”
    He was gone for a couple of days as I recall.

    The reporter ( Kathy B) did not name the investigators, and from my take on it the 5 thousand was given over time not all at once.
    By “other” women I did not get the feeling that it was donations to the fund that was was being spoken of, I took it more to George playing on the kind hearts of those women he conned.

  587. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Good Lord, what kind of person would have an affair with George then attend the memorial?

    Did I get that right Judy? The actual memorial? Or a prayer vigil service?

  588. Thinker Belle said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    Exactly, Thought Elf. And, knowing it was an “accident,” why would this person go on a search if she had inside information? Why would she waste everyone’s time and money. It would be understandable (not excusable) for GA to do so if he was covering for his daughter…what’s her story?!!!

  589. ThoughtElf said, on March 12, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Video interview with Skye:

    http://www.wftv.com/news/22825765/detail.html

  590. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:10 am

    Thanks for the link, Thought Elf!

    After viewing that, I’m like “Whoa…….hold da phone………if ZG isn’t a 10, but the twin of B is…what’s wrong with the ranking system? Okay, I wasn’t trying to be mean or anything, but, does anyone think this person could be a 10? Now, are there two Morgan attorneys…one for Zany the Nanny, and one for Bany the nanny? Lol!

    Something has “snowballed” out of control;not sure exactly what yet!

    Just my opinion as always!

  591. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:24 am

    No idea. None. Zero. Zip.

    I’m still trying to figure out where DC fits in – as I am still married to the idea that his investigative interview must have been enlightening.

  592. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:30 am

    All I can say is someone needs to produce the $45Gs Kc supposedly stole.

  593. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:30 am

    ThoughtElf
    The actual memorial setting right up close to the front in full view of George & Cindy

  594. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:33 am

    So, do you think the sister’s name may rhyme with Skye? Like Thai? Lol!

  595. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Thinker, from the way it was told she went on the search very early on, then after Casey was arrested was when George pillow talked.

  596. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:38 am

    Thanks Judy. I’ve caught up and watched the video.

    I cannot imagine having chutzpah like that.

  597. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:38 am

    and eeeekkkk NAKED pic’s of GEORGE!!

    Say it isn’t soooooooo

  598. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:41 am

    OH LORD please don’t tell me the next shoe to drop will be naked pic’s of Cindy……..

  599. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:44 am

    Is this the 2 (they are paced tight in the front) at the memorial at 3:25?

  600. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:03 am

    Thanks for the link, Thinker.

    Perhaps? The one with the straighter hair was looking over towards George, not the minister.

  601. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:04 am

    Bye, bye SODDI defense.

    WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer says if George really did say Caylee’s death was an accident, it’s bad news for the defense.

    “This would apparently foreclose any defense that someone outside of the Anthony family is responsible for that child’s death,” said Sheaffer.

  602. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:05 am

    Yep…it’s those straighteners for sure! Lol!

  603. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:07 am

    Anyone have a pic or an accurate description of the tat?

  604. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:27 am

    I wonder if she gave George a sympathy hug at the memorial? Think he reached down and grabbed a bit of azz?

    I cannot believe these folks. Mind – meet Boggle.

  605. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:36 am

    I’m surprised ‘the mistress’ wasn’t on Cindy & ‘PI Dom Casey’s Hit List’ of those who would be turned away from the ‘Caylee Memorial’ really a Casey Infomercial asking us to send Casey Birthday Cards. Remember that foolishness with Lee’s psycho wrist kissing CMA, CMA code speak?

    Nancy Grace, Kathi Belich, Leonard Padilla were on the ‘hit list’ because of ‘hatred toward the Anthony family’ & ‘being known to carry weapons’ like Leonard Padilla & Richard Grund.

    Either the affair hadn’t begun, was over by that time, Cindy didn’t know, or Cindy doesn’t care & was also having an affair with ‘PI Dom’.

  606. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:50 am

    I never was good at multiple choice test questions. I choose E for $1000, Heroes and I’ll give you what is behind Door #2.

    Apparently, Mistress was also packing something, too. An open wallet. Damn straight she wasn’t on the ‘hit list’. Didn’t they have the donation bowls out at the memorial, too?

    Ok, I’m trying not to go off into conspiracy-land, but I am a little freaked out by how much Mistress looks like the civil case ZFG.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/48055482@N05/4406804777/in/photostream/

  607. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:52 am

    Assuming that is she, of course.

  608. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 2:11 am

    Sorry, Nic… prob won’t like this one, but this does put the indigent filing in a whole new light.

  609. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 2:17 am

    Twin TE, I went to your PB link. Let’s see one’s named Skye…the other is River? Skye’s twin sister…nooo….this is getting science fiction weird. Is one good & the other evil? Never mindi, been watching sci fi all day…good night lots to sleep on.

  610. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 2:25 am

    I’m turning off and turning in, too, Heroes. Though who knows what I’ll dream about. This plot certainly is more far-fetched than any sci-fi I’ve read or watched.

    Someone wake me when Kathi drops the other shoe, please.

  611. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 2:26 am

    Apparently, Mistress was also packing something, too. An open wallet. Damn straight she wasn’t on the ‘hit list’. Didn’t they have the donation bowls out at the memorial, too?

    ****************

    Yep for the Anthonys money talks & BS walks. Adultery is easily overlooked if one is donating to the Scamthony fraudation fund of the moment. Missing Caylee teeshirts when they knew she was dead, Teddy bears for 9.99 that the fire dept. gave away for free, the Caylee Marie Fraudation online….

  612. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 7:15 am

    Morning ‘yall………………………..any pix? any new info ..ANOTHER strange thing …. “mistresses RECEIVE money …. they don’t GIVE money …. This is spiraling further out of control ——-

  613. Scotswoman said, on March 13, 2010 at 7:20 am

    “The state commission that doles out the public money used in criminal court cases said has “severe concerns” about Casey Anthony’s request to be declared indigent.”

    Oh Dear………. not a good week to be an Anthony

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-court-costs-20100312,0,3315926.story

  614. Scotswoman said, on March 13, 2010 at 7:55 am

    ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:52 am

    Assuming that is she, of course.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Elf

    Sky claims on her myspace account to be 32. Kathi Bellich said Georges’s ATM /(bit on the side is 38) So maybe another sibling? Is there a sister possibly sitting to Sky’s right at the memorial? ……..will go check it out

    And looks as though you were right and I was wrong about the indigency thing fading quickly……….Brava

    http://www.myspace.com/skybenhaidayahoocom

  615. RS said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:26 am

    According to the report, the affair started as a result of George pursuing the woman AFTER meeting her as she volunteered to search…

    So why some are asking how could she search knowing Caylee was dead, makes no sense to offer that question up….

    Searching came first, before any statements to the woman about any accident that snowballed.

    It appears the mistress would have or might have kept quiet about it all, but her sister seems intervened as a result of feeling the gal had been taken advantage of to the tune of what seems just under 5 K…

    This family is constantly in the news as a result of sharing no like kind behavior, or very little like kind behavior, to that of other families who have one lost, missing or dead that I can see to any other historical missing kid case.

    The behavior of this family is in IMO, some of the most despicable and repulsive, I hope to never see or hear of anything similar again my lifetime.

  616. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:59 am

    RS.
    You know I have always thought George was a sleeze bag, even at the start when others thought he would be Caylees Knight.

    I do not put anything past this bunch of low-lifes.

    My ONLY concern right now is I hope Kathy B has not been caught in an Anthony trick sac.
    We know how much they hate her, I just have a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach.

  617. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Scotswoman and ThoughtElf, Would I appear rather assuming if I were to think the sister may be the same age if they are twins?

  618. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:09 am

    How could twins be years apart?????? HELLO !!!!!!!

  619. RS said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:27 am

    Let’s see, a woman stating her age is less than it really is on a social networking site…

    never heard of it, say it aint so….LOL

    or a woman having another older sister, never heard of it …LOL

  620. Scotswoman said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:27 am

    #
    Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Scotswoman and ThoughtElf, Would I appear rather assuming if I were to think the sister may be the same age if they are twins?
    #
    Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:09 am

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Did Kathi Bellich say they were twins…………I dont think she did

  621. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:30 am

    GOOD MORNING

  622. RS said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:32 am

    judy,

    It appears to me Belich has done her homework, OCSO would have been within their rights to say to her no truth to that ….

    This would be part of ongoing obstruction investigation on the family member(s), and/or maybe an accessory one…

  623. RS said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:33 am

    Scots..

    Belich did not claim it is a twin sister…

  624. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:34 am

    In the interview, the reporter states the person speaking is the TWIN sister of the alleged mistress. Double Trouble…soon to be multiplying exponentially.

  625. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:36 am

    Scotswoman.

    Yes in the report it was said “the twin sister” of the one speaking out was the one George Had the affair with.

  626. RS said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:37 am

    It was stated to Belich that she was, not Belich that made the claim

  627. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:39 am

    Please refer to the link posted by ThoughtElf @ 11:57…Kathi mentions that GA visited their home often, and talks about the relationship between GA and the 38 year-old TWIN sister of Skye.

  628. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:42 am

    I didn’t hear Kathy Belich refer to the “twin sister” in report I just “re-heard” … but did in other reports perhaps by other reporters …… something is oddly fishy……it is stated the woman came forward ….. but … her sister is the one interviewed l..her sister is the who has the my space page…her sister is referred to as a “mistress” …. but …. “mistresses are “kept”, take money and are somewhat supported …they don’t give money —- and the timing is weird……. which time was casey in jail, what “year” did this affair take place …. questions, questions, questions …. :-) :-(

  629. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Thinker Belle ——— but Skeye is 32 … how can her twin be 38???? And, I thought it was CASEY WHO FIRST DESCRIBED ZANEIDA …. NOT GEORGE!!

  630. RS said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Hazaka,

    A mistress can have money of their own….and in this situation seems gave him some per the report

  631. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:50 am

    It’s really rather humorous if you think about it. Sitting a cross the street from where KC is incarcerated, and snatchin’ the heart of her father. Lol!

  632. Thinker Belle said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:52 am

    RSl, is she a reporter or what? Does she simply repeat what she hears, much like gossip, or, does she check things out first?

  633. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:56 am

    RS — of course a mistress can have money of her own…… but ..typically, she doesn’t support the married man …. it is reversed … here’s a partial description of a mistress:

    “…The mistress is the woman a married man makes first priority and will shower her with gifts to keep her happy…”

    If this stuff is true …this chick seems more of a “George groupie” than mistress…that’s my point…. anyway ..want to see see cell phone pix!!!!

  634. Scotswoman said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:04 am

    Ok apologies for any confusion caused by yours truly. LOL

    So I think we can agree Ole George’s love interest was a WOMAN between the age of 32 and 38 who’s feeling a bit used now. LOL And if reports are true she had information OCSD found very interesting.

    BAT PHONES?

  635. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:08 am

    No Nic ———————– WHY ARE U SO SILENT THIS AM??? :-) Has all this made you speechless????

  636. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Haz,

    No I am deeply embroiled in the minutia of this latest development. To be a twin or not to be, that is the question. :wink: I said Good Morning up thread with a link but wasn’t acknowledged till now. Back to sulk mode. :lol:

  637. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:20 am

    NO NIC ————— these are important questions … anyway … where did you get your moving smiley …. I like it! Too bad there are no emoticons here …… :-(

  638. nom de plume said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Twin schmin.

  639. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:41 am

    Haz,

    These are the only ones we can use here unless the admin adds more with a smilie plugin.

    http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies

  640. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:53 am

    No Nic …. thanks …. I went further into wordpress and found a few others …… let’s see if it works: :!:

  641. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:55 am

    No Nic….. thanks ………………….. wonder if this too will work—

    :!:

  642. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Thanks No Nic ………… tried a another that I saw on wordpress…… but ….. post didn’t go thru …. oh well…………… :-(

  643. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 11:03 am

    YW :mrgreen:

  644. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 11:07 am

    No Nic…………….. you’re Mr green….. woa woa woa ………….. doo ron de ran day ran day …. :shock
    ————–and btw …… why do I have enter my name and email each and every time :?:

  645. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 11:38 am

    Haz,

    If you allow the wordpress cookie it will keep your login information in that cookie and you won’t have to do that. You will have to tweak your browser cookie options. What browser are you using?

  646. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Morning/Afternoon.

    I’m not sticking my toes in the twin-of-indeterminate-age puddle.

    Are we positive that the sister intervened and went to investigators? (I haven’t read today’s news articles yet.)

    I’ve thought it more likely that this Woman was discovered via DC’s investigative interview. And who knows what else he told investigators?

  647. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    No Nic ——————– using windows … vista …..

  648. BB said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Does anyone have information on who the pastor is that spoke at Caylee’s memorial and if he ever goes to visit Casey to tell her how much God loves her? I have only read that she
    has no visitors. in watching the videos I have not been able to find any two women that
    is the subject of being George’s mistress and sister. Which video please.

  649. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Has this breaking story changed anyone’s opinion? Has this hearsay shared over pillow talk convinced anyone that Caylee’s death was an accident?

    I think George stated that as theory, and more than likely in the early days of the affair.

    My brain still hurts a great deal from thinking about them all being together at Caylee’s memorial.

    That poor little Baby has had her memory sullied in a thousand different ways.

  650. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    ThoughtElf ——————– Need more facts re: this ….. raises more questions to my mind than it answers…………..

  651. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    BB – last nights WFTV report with video here:
    http://www.wftv.com/news/22825765/detail.html

    Read the recent vistation list last week, but I was scanning for times & lengths of lawyer visits. Skipped right over pastor visits if any were there. Maybe some else remembers?

  652. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Agree Haz.

    Share questions for brain food?

  653. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Haz,

    Internet Browser not Operating System. Like IE 8, Safari, Firefox. Go into your help menu and search for cookie handling and allow cookies. This is way off topic and I must quit this now.

    Elf,

    I am going to have to see more before I put any energy in this news about George. This thing smells and it ain’t dead fish.

  654. Huh? said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    This is a pic of her after the remains were found.

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2008/dec/11/missing-florida-girl-121108/?zIndex=21776

  655. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    No Nic said, ———- thank you ………….. and yes……. I agree…… this is a tad fishy …and smells :-)

  656. BEES KNEES said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Do we know yet if Kathi uncovered the story or did the sister go to LE and/or the media first? Cause it seems to me that if Kathi found them, rather than them finding her (do you get what I mean?) the story will be more credible. Some are asking why it took so long for the woman to come forward but what if she didn’t? What if the mistress was never going to rat out George but Kathi was investigating some other element of the case and somehow uncovered it?

    Also, I still think the BIG SECRET is going to be Dominic Casey.

    I don’t find it surprising at all that their flimflam house made of deception is finally beginning to crumble. How many months now have we watched them lie, obstruct justice, scream at people who were trying to help, frame the innocent . . .on and on . . . is it any wonder that most of us are enjoying this now? That family has been walking around with their smarmy, smug mugs just begging to be brought down to the same planet where most of us live and where most of us obey the laws and have respect for authorities. It’s reaffirming that they are no better than anyone else and might actually be held accountable.

  657. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    HUH?:

    Laughing so hard. She’s with Krazy Kalani – aka Chili Boy – in his KC knock-off stolen money white sunglasses! I really must dig up the old video link to his epic meltdown.

    Nic:

    Put your hip waders on, chum, because we’re heading into deeper water for fishies.

    I think this is the real deal, and I think this info came from DC. That’s my story, and I am sticking to it. Being in such close proximity with that family for so long, I’m certain he must have pivotal information about the case and the family activities that needs further investigation. I think the Mistress story is just a small part of the flood to come.

  658. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    “She was in love with George,” said Benhaida.

    Benhaida said George told her sister that Caylee’s death was an accident. But she said her sister never asked about Caylee’s death.

    “She told him that, ‘I would never ask you that.’ In reply, he said it was an accident that snowballed out of control,” Benhaida said.
    ==========

    Can we say hearsay evidence? Let’s hear from the mistress first hand. I am not fishing or cutting bait. Show me the beef.

  659. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Not arguing that it isn’t hearsay. Of course it is.

    I’m simply not worried that much hinges on the Mistress & the affair, other than possible perjury charges.

    John Allen first suggested to George that things can snowball, perhaps after an accident. Hearsay or not, George was just spouting what he believed at the time, or what he wanted others to think he believed.

    All the little minnows are swimming with the big State sharks now that DC is finally in sworn play. ;)

  660. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Well, I just finished reading her Twitter Tweets. Pass the extra-strength Tylenol, please.

  661. Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Okay ——- been off for a bit ………… any “new” news ???

  662. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Awww Elf, speaking of sharks, I think that Kathi Belich really “jumped the shark” this time. Sorry Craig.

  663. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    Nope, but I pulled this little gem from the WFTV archives:

    http://www.wftv.com/video/18257535/index.html

    The woman with Kaloni is reported to be River Allen. I wonder if this is Mistress Crystal/River?

    (Odd, the things I watch when it is too darn rainy and windy to go out, and someone else is in control of the big screen.)

  664. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Why are you so convinced of this, Nic?

    Don’t be a tease – share the thought?

  665. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    Interesting – Kalani was arrested just yesterday.

    http://florida.mugshotlist.com/bowles-kalani-aaronchristo/

  666. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Okay lets pick this puppy apart and start to rebuild the story shall we?

    First observation is the difference in ages of these two supposed twins?
    Skye says she is 32, now if this River chick is the sister how is she 38?

    I know I was born at night, but it wasn’t last night… something does not fit

    Now observation 2 – in the USA today article River say’s she is a friend of Casey, her and the loon with the cheap sunglasses are shown together which makes me shutter at what Kathy B may have dived head first into.
    But any way, I digress, so does this mean if River is the mistress Georgie was poppin Casey’s gal pals?
    Or did they find love in some deserted parking lot while Georgie was panning for money?
    Or was that how they got around Cindy, Oh honey one of Casey’s friends is stopping by later????

    WHY would she give him 5 grand?

    Now, lets look at the investigators told her ”he had taken money from other women as well”
    Sorry but unless the investigator was D. Casey Or Hoover, I just have to throw a time out here, Flag the field and issue a penalty.
    Do you honestly see Detectives from L.E making a statement such as this?

    Okay the name game, is she River Cruz, River Allen, River Behaida, or Krystal Rivers?

    Now, River ??? Is a young Latino gal in her prime, she has money to toss around, and judging from Skyes friends list and post we can assume they are from much different worlds than Georgie, can we agree on that?

    Do you see River???? Setting home watching cooking shows with this poor white trash gray haired ol fart who can not rub two dimes together that he does not gamble away?
    We could use our imaginations about what he may or may not bring to the table as far as a lover okay, with the inventions of those little magic blue pills, but can we just leave that door closed please?

    Maybe she has a daddy complex, we know she can’t be looking for a sugar daddy, not in Georgies drawers anyway.

    All in all I have to stick to my “I have bad vibes” statement and have to wonder who has been placed squarely in an Anthony trick sac?

    Sure hope the Anthony’s house payments are not going to be made from this story.
    We know they hate Kathy, we know they are sleezy, and it concerns me that no other media has touched this story.

  667. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Ya Betcha Judy,

    You are cooking on all four burners. I think we should put this story in the oven and burn it.

  668. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Yo Elf,

    My social media network connection seems to be out of order. Maybe you got control of the clicker and are watching re-runs of Desperate Housewives. :lol:

  669. tootie said, on March 13, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Are you all not missing the obvious. We all know the the Anthony’s are hurting for cash. Do you really believe that Kathi would have gone with this story without being dead sure. Can we say liable, law suit, money for the Ant’s if this is hooey. God knows the have enough lawyers in waiting. Which also makes one wonder who is paying for all these legal eagles. This bunch can sniff out a few green backs thousands of miles away.

  670. BEES KNEES said, on March 13, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    judy, I can see LE telling her she wasn’t the only one (to give George money) when they questioned her. I’m sure they would have been vague and not mentioned numbers or names but if they’re trying to build a case out of it what would be wrong in telling her she wasn’t alone?

    More and more bloggers are questioning this story and it’s good that we don’t accept anything at face value right away. The only thing we can know for sure is that one way or the other there’s deception going on with an Anthony sitting smack dab in the middle of it. We just don’t know if it’s willingly or unwillingly.

  671. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Silverspnr said: { Mar 13, 2010 – 12:03:53 } » Valhall said: { Mar 13, 2010 – 08:03:05 }
    [Unread Comment]

    Wow – Lyons may be leaving. But I do not believe she would leave without first working with Baez to find a Florida DP qualified attorney to replace her. I don’t think she’ll do anything to jeopardize Casey’s defense is what I’m saying, but going from pro bono to money out of a pocket is a different thing.

    ****************************

    Just read this at HinkyMeter..what? Did I miss something or is it a rumor?

    Because of the JAC’s severe concern with Casey’s being indigent & the upcoming hearing with Judge Strickland where thye JAC will attend & fight against Lyon’s out of town travel expenses?

  672. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    LOL! No Nic, connection is working, but we’re simply paused for commercial, so I was channel-surfing. We will return you to your regularly scheduled program shortly.

    Heroes, Silver retracted it farther down the thread. Or rather, she clarified it. More of a theoretical IF Andrea won’t pay her own costs out of pocket, then she will have to get another DP qualified lawyer to replace her on the case.

    I’m going on record now saying, “I believe this story and that thee is much more to it.”

    You can all get the hammers and hoses after me later if I turn out to be wrong.

  673. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    lollipop said: { Mar 13, 2010 – 02:03:29 } I found two very interesting tweets at the following twitter account. This is the twitter for River. It appears she is adding posts today also…..

    http://twitter.com/RiverC01

    OH AND CA~YOU ARE NO WALLFLOWER YOURSELF!!
    8:17 AM Feb 22nd via web

    iITS SAD WHEN YOU BELIEVE IN SOMEONE SO MUCH AND FIND OUT THEY WERE ALL FULL OF LIES AND DECIET~THANKS GA
    8:16 AM Feb 22nd via web
    ****************************************

    Found this on another site, River is twittering.

  674. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Name River Cruz

    Location ORLANDO FL

    EVERYBODY HAS MADE MISTAKES!!! EVERYBODY!
    about 3 hours ago via web

    http://twitter.com/RiverC01

  675. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Connection restored, Nic.

  676. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    Craig – do we get a wink & a nod if I am close? ;)

    I don’t think any of the other FL stations are running with this story as I believe all of them are waiting for the Defense to be officially notified that the investigation is complete – then they’ll all scramble to drop shoes, boots, flip-flops and sneakers all over the place.

    I think either the State or LE gave out a head smack to WFTV late last night and said, “Nope, nope, nope – not yet you don’t.”

    The State had to inform the court as soon as it was complete, and in turn the defense.

    Our toes might be cold and lacking in footwear for a few more days.

    I’ll settle for a fresh cup of coffee and a cookie to keep me company while we wait for the shoe. How about a hint on what kind of shoe, Craig? Will it be a funky doc martin? Racy runners that make you jump as high as Superman? Cowboy boots? Over-the-knee black leather Dominatrix boots?

    I have a shoe fetish – I could do this all night.

  677. BEES KNEES said, on March 13, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    No, Heroes, Silver clarified his/her comments (below):

    + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +

    Silverspnr said: { Mar 13, 2010 – 02:03:52 } HOLD THE PHONE!

    I did not say Lyon was leaving!!
    I was responding to a comment by Val.

    I said IF–for the SAKE OF ARGUMENT– she WISHES to leave, she canNOT do so UNTIL another DP qualified criminal defense attorney is on board, etc, etc.

    An attorney canNOT simply walk away from a case. There are rules of professional conduct which govern when an attorney MAY be PERMITTED (by the JUDGE) to WITHDRAW from representation.

  678. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    No accident…never believe that…ever. Accidently triple tape a baby’s mouth…nose….the day after a knock down drag out fight with Mom trying to choke you for stealing from the grandparents.

    If George told this to River, he was lying. To her & maybe himself. But he knows the truth..man up you little sniveling rat & tell the truth! This is becoming an embarressment to the state of FLfornot charging the anthonyso with obstruction, tampering, lying under oath.

    Now the taxpayers have to foot the baby killers bills, when will enough be enough?

  679. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Elf,

    Me too but I will settle for these:

    http://www.bootbarn.com/itemview/view/view/view/view/9335/last_updated/All/All/All

  680. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Nic,

    Nice, but I think you need to add spurs?

  681. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Thanks Bees I saw the clarification after myself. I guess it’s a what if, since that JAC is expressing ‘severe concern’ about Casey being indigent. Wonder if it has something to do with FL taxpayers outrage? Bbl..after walking dogs. My spellings a mess today dogs distracting jumping on me to walk, cats fighting, gotta go..lol.

  682. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    Heroes,

    “Now the taxpayers have to foot the baby killers bills, when will enough be enough?”

    How do you think the people of the State of Florida are going to feel when the indigent George and Cindy Anthony ask for their court appointed attorneys?

  683. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    It boils down to this imo: How did an ‘indigent defendant’ already pay over $100,000 to her high profile, non public defender attorney? How can someone bhe able to pay that, then claim indigent?

    Most people could not shell out that kind of money, especially an indigent criminal. Something is very, very wrong with our justice system if this is unchallenged by JAC or wimpy Judge Strickland.

    Yeah yeah, I know he ‘wants to be fair’ so no appeals or retrials, but come on he’s absolutely paranoid in his decisions as of late. Slam that gavel down, use your authority get this trial moving & put some of these lowlifes with their time wasting motions, lies & cover-ups in their friggin place, just disgusting…3 years to try a skanky baby killer..never heard of such a thing.

    The Anthonys are not special…got it Florida.

  684. BEES KNEES said, on March 13, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    Skye is on Hinky’s blog right now answering questions. The site keeps crashing cause there’s so much traffic there right now.

    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/

  685. frankie said, on March 13, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    Mar 12, 2010:

    And how does Thoughts post from above fit?

    BOWLES, KALANI AARONCHRISTO
    Black
    Gender: Male
    Date of Birth: 08/05/1991
    Date Booked: 03/12/2010
    Giving False Name Adversely Affect Another FHPD10OFF022095
    Driving While License Suspended (dwls) FHPD10OFF022095

    Same guy?? looks like him! False Name?????? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

  686. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    Heroes,

    Casey got 200K for the pictures and 20K from ABC. Of that money, 110K has been accounted for and the rest I am sure has been spent as well which Baez will have to disclose at the hearing on the 18th. Casey is indigent. She doesn’t have a pot to piss in nor a window to throw it out of. It will cost well over a million before this is all done. This is not unusual in Florida or most states for that matter. It is what it is. 220K is a mere drop in the bucket at this point. This is just the beginning and there is a very long way to go.

    This case is disgusting because of the family involved and the notoriety it has created. It is that disgust that has people outraged more so than the money. The Anthonys are not special by any means but this about Casey and her killing Caylee. Sadly the system is designed to give her the same rights you and I would have under the same circumstances. Certainly if Casey had anything she would be paying for her defense but she doesn’t. That is something everyone has to live with.

  687. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    Heroesfan: here’s trivia that you might find interesting

    People v. Simpson

    The REAL DREAM TEAM.
    Robert Shapiro
    F. Lee Bailey
    Johnnie Cochran
    Alan Dershowitz
    Robert Kardashian
    Barry Scheck
    Peter Neufeld
    Gerald Uelmen
    Carl E. Douglas

    Simpson’s defense was said to cost $3+ million.

    from opening to closing statements 150 witnesses gave testimony in 8 months.

    At 12:05 a.m. on June 13, 1994, Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman were found fatally stabbed outside Brown’s condo.

    Simpson booked at 11 a.m. on June 17.

    Superior Court Judge Kathleen Kennedy-Powell ruled on July 7 that there was ample evidence to try Simpson for the murders.

    In October 1994, Judge Ito started interviewing 304 prospective jurors, each of whom had to fill out a 75-page questionnaire.

    On November 3rd, 12 jurors were seated with 12 alternatives.

    the trial began on January 25, 1995

    The trial was covered in 2,237 news segments from 1994 through 1997.

    At 10:07 a.m. on October 3, 1995, the jury returned a verdict.

    Now, consider that this was a Double Murder case, with thousands upon thousands of pages of evidence.

    We have to ask, WHY is it taking 3 years to bring Casey to trial?

  688. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Judypc, exactly I remember the OJ fiasco & thinking that it took forever. As you say a double homicide, what gives here. Is Florida so afraid of losing this case they are acting afraid of moving forward? What gives here.

    I found an interesting article that supports Florida’s paranoia of Casey & the Anthonys & why the state may be afraid of them & petrified of losing this case. I’m going to find it then come back with an excerpt & the link.

    Disgusting that the Anthonys are running rough shod over EVERYONE & not a damn thing is being done to punish them.

  689. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    BEES KNEES

    I have faith that Kathy B went into this with some caution, I just know how sleezy the Anthony’s are and all that seem to be connected to them.

    And I have Noooo problem seeing George as a pig that would take a womens money, egads Cindy has been his meal ticket now for years.

    I do think the story has punch, but it as well has some holes that need to be filled.

    The only thing I have settled in my mind is maybe the cruise was the last straw for this gal, maybe George promised her a nice cruise, hell maybe her 5 thou paid for it.

    Maybe Cindy found dumb-wads tickets and he had to cover his arse, and a nice lovers getaway became the trip down the rabbit hole.
    WHO knows, something set this latin lover off the deep end for sure.
    Now its paddle as fast as you can the sharks are circling!!!

    Or as my daddy use to say Ol George is up Chit creek without his paddle….

  690. frankie said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    I must agree with No Nic….as annoying as it is that we have to pay for her defense, she is entitled to representation. Now I don’t know how it works that she has spent all her cash, theoretically, already, but I am betting that she has. I do not object to paying for her an attorney, I object to having to pay baez. If we have to furnish an attorney, IMO it should be a PD or, really I think baez should be forced to continue to represent her and he should be paid what a PD would be paid. His billable hours/expenses should be tallied up and deducted from the +/- 100k he has already been paid and the balance should be applied to future billable hours/expense, then he should be paid by taxpayers. I am thoroughly disgusted by the obnoxious white trash anthonys, HOWEVER, we are required by law to furnish her an attorney. If baez withdraws now, it will cost a lot to get a PD up to speed. Since he took the case, with full knowledge that she could not pay him his normal fees, he should accept what she can pay or what the State would normally pay.

  691. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    People v. Simpson

    The REAL DREAM TEAM.
    Robert Shapiro
    F. Lee Bailey
    Johnnie Cochran
    Alan Dershowitz
    Robert Kardashian
    Barry Scheck
    Peter Neufeld
    Gerald Uelmen
    Carl E. Douglas
    ****************

    Isn’t there some kind of karma, curse that supposedly afflicted most of OJ’s dream team? Deaths, suicides of children, bad health, finanicial trouble, bad luck? Maybe no bad deed goes unpunished.

  692. frankie said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    Whatever it is….I haven’t stopped laughing at the clown show yet!

  693. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Heroesfan:

    I was drawn to the OJ case because of one name, F. Lee Bailey OMG he was my hero, my dream was to become a lawyer just like him, alas it was not to be.

    A few years ago I had the pleasure of meeting Barry Scheck our team was working a Texas death row case, one we won btw and not with the help of Ms. Lyons.

    Anyway, I met him at an awards dinner, and I was completely taken aback by Scheck, he at first impression reminds you a bit of Colombo, but my God, what a mind that man has for the law and for “Justice”

    I suppose my regard for lawyers like Bailey & Scheck and the other members of the one and only Dream Team is why I cringe when I hear Team Jose’ called a dream team, on their very best day they could not shine the shoes of the lawyers on that team.

    Scheck gives untold hours of his labors away to those that are left with only a prayer, his work in DNA boggles the mind.

    Team Jose’ will never understand what true Lawyer-ing really is, they do not have the heart for it, they just have a desire for fame.

  694. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Casey Anthony Trial Is A Taxpayer Ripoff

    Posted by Mark Hutcherson at 12:50 AM

    Wednesday, March 03, 2010

    If Florida prosecutors cannot win a conviction against a person like Casey Anthony, then they should be voted out of office for incompetence. In a strange sort of way, the people in the prosecutors office seem to be scared to death that if they take a defendant like Casey Anthony to trial and they somehow lose, they will pay a big price for that loss on election day.

    If that is what they are worried about, I would tend to agree that no one would vote for a prosecutor again if they let Casey Anthony walk free on murder charges.

    That said, the time for Casey Anthony’s day in court is long overdue and judging by the lack of confidence the current prosecutor must place in his or her case, I am concerned that Casey Anthony could walk free because of that lack of confidence on the prosecutors part.

    full article:

    http://mhutch.blogspot.com/search/label/Casey%20Anthony%20News%20Updates

    *****************

    This opinion of why it’s taking over 3 years to try & hopefully convict one baby killer rings the truest to me. The Anthony’s & the high profile case of a murdering little whore & her grifter clan has the State Of Florida shaking in their boots.

  695. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    frankie,

    The only flaw, and I don’t mean this to be critical in your comment is that if Baez withdraws I believe it would be an invitation for Casey to appeal for ineffective assistance of counsel. As some of us who think that Judge Strickland should move this along faster, I think that he is doing all he can to get an unblemished trial for Casey with no grounds for appeal. I think that JS has covered and will continue to cover Baez’ rear end so he doesn’t make a fatal mistake.

  696. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Unfortunately Heroes, it really isn’t to the best benefit if the Anthony’s were to be charged and convicted before Casey’s trial. That is a really slippery legal slope.

    So many share the disgust you feel with the family and the whole set of crazy circumstances that surround this case, but… if we keep our eyes on the goal of justice, especially for Caylee, then we just have to take a deep breath.

    It’ll get there. It’ll cost a lot. It won’t go as quickly or as cheaply as we want it to, but the best end result is a really clean conviction. That may mean that appropriate punishment for the Anthonys will have to wait a while.

  697. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    Well done fair elf, well done.

  698. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    Deep breaths, it’s my break time again. Need a few days away from this case, I keep saying that then something crazy happens like george’s alleged adultery & ‘they suck me right back in’ lol.

    I’m disgusted, po’d, enraged, sympathetic to all who’ve been victims of the Anthonys. All sorts of emotions so yes I’ll bbl hopefully in a week or so & clear my mind of this ever maddening injustice being allowed to continue by the state of florida.

    Idigent criminal who can afford to pay $100,000 to her attorney, lmfao..I’m not indigent but I can’t afford that with ready cash..what a joke… can’t wait for the decision on that after the March 18 or 19th hearing with ‘fair Judge Strickland..and he is to a fault!

    Caylee’s in a better place then being raised by the poisonous leeches who were supposed to protect her. They failed miserable & now she’s become this cottage industry for the blood suckers.

    See you all later!

  699. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    You jinxed me, Nic. Ever since you talked about connections earlier today, Gmail now hates me! I keep getting a previously never-encountered error. grr

    I am blaming you, you know. :)

  700. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    Heroesfan:

    I know Shapiro & Dershowitz lost family members and Johnnie Cochran passed away.

    I do not know that Karma played a part as pay back for the OJ case.

    While 99.9 percent of the population believes he got away with murder he has not gotten away so cleanly.

    The defense of the dream team was on point, they brought their A-game into court and walked away the winners.

    I always thought the trial could be summed up with The State of Ca. put the jury to sleep they went on endlessly with DNA and forensics that they shot out of a cannon when all they needed was a shot-gun.

    Johnnie woke the jury with the glove “IT DOES NOT FIT, YOU MUST AQUIT”
    And wearing that silly sock cap.

    And Barry brought DNA down to the level of the average person, he did not shoot over their heads.

    The jury liked the men standing before them on the defense team, they were not over inflated ego’s or whinny wimps, what ever else one thinks about OJ. You have to put that aside and admit there was some damn fine lawyers on that case and they deserve respect.

    See, you can not define the defense lawyer by their client, every person accused has the right to a fair trial, they have the right to justice.
    The sad thing is, Justice has been divided by a line of RICH V POOR, in a perfect world we could all have at our disposal a dream team, but sadly that is not the case.

    Many defendants walk into court with an over worked PD, often times he/she is lacking experience and often overwhelmed.

    When I pick apart Jose’ it is not because I dislike Casey, far be it, I simply see his arrogance and his failings as something deplorable, he has set himself up as her defender, her life is on the line, and I see him playing silly games.
    And that angers me to no end, perhaps because he acquired that dream, and he does not see it as something of honor.

  701. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    When I pick apart Jose’ it is not because I dislike Casey, far be it, I simply see his arrogance and his failings as something deplorable, he has set himself up as her defender, her life is on the line, and I see him playing silly games.
    And that angers me to no end, perhaps because he acquired that dream, and he does not see it as something of honor.

    ———————————————————————————
    ^ Wish I had written that. Very well stated.

  702. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Craig?

    If we can’t have the whole darn shoe yet, may we please have a shoelace to chew on at least?

    TYIA.

  703. frankie said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Nic-agreed. I don’t want baez to withdraw. IMO he is the best attorney for casey. I am afraid that a PD would be competent! LOL Seriously, I think he should be forced to continue his representation of casey anthony and be paid the rate a PD would make. He knew when he took on this case that the anthonys could NOT pay him these exorbitant fees. I think he did just what he set out to do….milked the situation for as much money as he could up front knowing that the State would be forced to pay the bills later on down the road.

    I do not, however, agree that lyons should be paid by the State to continue. That position should go to an in-state DP qualified attorney. I personally would rather see the State take the DO off the table in favor of LWOP since that would speed things up and cost far less in the long run. I do, however, think there should never be an opportunity for parole. IMO casey anthony is a danger to anyone she comes in contact with…but I think that is true for everyone of them.

  704. frankie said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Very well said JudyPC. I agree that the jury identified with the defense in the simpson case, but I also think his celebrity status played a huge part in his acquittal. I also think some of the jurors failed in their duty to stand firmly for what they thought was right and allowed themselves to be cowed by other, more aggressive behavior. This has become commonplace in our society, IMO. That is how the anthonys in this world get by with the things that they do. We cave in the name of being politically correct, in the fear of being called outdated and ignorant. We as a nation are failing to stand for what we believe in. We are beginning to believe our detractors and to see ourselves as less than we are. When you stand for nothing, you fall for anything as the song goes.

  705. No Nic said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    elf, does reasonablefaxcimilie ring a bell?

  706. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Judypc, honestly those defense attorneys sold their souls to the devil. they were going to aquit a dangerous wife beater turned serial killer come hell o0r high water & they did. Where does one draw the line as a defense attorney. I know it’s win at all costs for these dream team type lawyers but not in my eyes. When you defend someone like OJ then he goes free to b eat more women, break more laws, or a lying piece of trash baby killer like Casey Anthony what’s the difference?

    You are scum & will answer to a higher authority one dqay.

    I have a feeling that just because being a lying cheat who helps criminals get away with their crimes is your job, that won’t be enough of an excuse to your maker, you are still a major sinner who hurts the innocent to protect the evil!

    I’m not religious, but believe we will all have to answer for our sins some more than others like Casey & any lowlife sleaze bag attorney who represents her. Bill Sheaffer wouldn’t defend her or OJ he set some standards of ethics for himself & is selective in not defending evil, the devil on earth.

  707. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    Johnny Cochran made me want to vomit. If the glove doesn’t fit, you must…well you know. Now days I doubt if that would work in court. thankfully we’ve come a long way with forensics, DNA, and I would thin that someone else could have yanked that glove away from Cochran & easily stretched that glove to fit…duh!

    How in the hell was Cochran allowed to get away with that transparent, idiotic ploy? How stunningly stupid & naive were the jurors, what rock were they found under and is it possible to find any 12 jurors as stupid in our lifetimes again??

  708. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    ThoughtElf:
    Thank You.

    When other teen girls were screaming for the Beatles I was tucked away reading Baileys The Defense Never Rest.
    Crime, its Cause and Treatment, and Closing Arguments, by Clarence Darrow.
    Mercy I loved the law, defense law and the purest sense of what it entailed.

    I still see it as something hallowed and fierce, defense of justice can not be taken lightly, all of our lives depend on the civility of our laws and how we defend them.

    Guess I am still that dreamer of so long ago that gave her heart.

  709. frankie said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    Heroesfan: That is a question I would really like Mr. Sheaffer to answer!! I am betting that he would defend casey anthony if he thought that was the only way she could mount a defense. I don’t think he would like it. Judging only from his public persona, I think it would go against his personal beliefs, but I think he would do it if that were the only way she would be represented. I do NOT, however, think he would subvert justice and bilk the public for wasted $$$. I believe he would mount the best defense he could within the bounds of the law and his clients best interest.

  710. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Judy:

    Then you will probably enjoy the tone and accuracy in this article I read this morning.

    http://criminaldefenseblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/i-understand-elizabeth-cheneys-attack.html

    I’ve thought about posting on this thread several times today.

    Nic: I can see both bells – ultimately, they reside in the same bell-tower. I just can’t ring it back for some weird Google reason.

  711. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    I read Bill Sheaffer would not defend Casey nor use the tactics her lawyers have used, like framing Kronk, railroading Richard & Jesse Grund, Zenaida Gonzalez, etc. In Sheaffer’s bio it says he’s selective & takes no more than 10 to 12 clients at one time, mostly white collar from my memory.

  712. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    I was madly in love with the Beatles..lol..expecially Paul McCartney. still am he’s an animal rights activist & vegan, so am I & still very charming. I never thought about the law, never broke it except a couple of traffic tickets.

  713. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Meant when I was younger..no traffic tickets in years. I did drive very fast & usually talked myself out of trouble except twice when I was a teen doing over 100 mph in New Orleans. That’s the extent of my law breaking past.

  714. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Heroesfan:

    A defense Lawyer must look into the face of his client guilty or innocent and seek a way to best serve his/her client.

    In some case’s when they know their client faces a guilty verdict it is their job to try an
    fight for the best outcome.
    In a case such as Casey’s if ask I would be willing to bet most lawyers would have been at the states door trying to work a plea.

    We do not have to like the client, we can be angry at the crime, but we can not throw out the law.

    I would be willing to bet Bill Sheaffer has taken many case’s where his client was indeed guilty, a defense lawyer can not say I will only serve the innocent.

    If that were the case how would anyone receive a fair trial?

    Lawyers for the defense are they very ones that have bridged the gaps in our justice system, they are the ones that saw the flaws and took the system to task and formed the very system we have today, the protections you and I have promised to us.

    You and I as Joe citizen may see the idiocies in a case like OJ’s or Casey’s and we indeed see the flaws in a system that seems to coddle the criminal, and yes that is distasteful, but our justice system must serve us all if it is to work for any.

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  717. frankie said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    I am reminded of the story of Atticus Finch, eh Judy? Although, I don’t think for a second this client is innocent.

  718. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    FRANKIE.

    I LOVE TO KILL A MOCKING BIRD!!!

    But dare I say Jose’ is no Finch lol and Casey is farrrrrr from innocent.

  719. Heroesfan said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    Robert Shapiro’s 21 year old son Brent has died from a drug overdose. Seems ironic what has happened to the “Dream Team”. Johnny Cochran and Robert Kardasian are dead. Lee Bailey has been disbarred and spent time in prison and is now dead.

    They made it possible for the murderer to play golf every day and steal cable……at least he is enjoying his life….can’t say the same for his lawyers.

    Update, OJ is in prison, finally but unrelated to the murders.

    News.yahoo.com

  720. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    This case shows the sleezy underbelly of all things bad with our system a piss poor excuse for a lawyer and a client that in the not so distant past would have met a short rope from a tall tree by an angry mob.

    And that family of hers would have been run out of town tarred & feathered after a good horse whipping, and they would have been followed by the dumb-butt lawyer.

    For sure they would not be setting there thumbing their snotty nose’s at the good citizens and the local lawman.

  721. frankie said, on March 13, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    Ha! It was the work that made me understand how important our right to representation is. That is why I said above that BS would indeed represent casey if that was the only representation available. I rather think our Mr. Sheaffer is a real life Atticus.

    Heroesfan: I agree with you that BS would never, ever conduct a case like baez has. IMO he would abide by the letter of the law.

  722. frankie said, on March 13, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    I am somewhat concerned that Gigolo jojo set up this “affair” to somehow….in a backward sort of way….create reasonable doubt? If so, it isn’t working, but I wouldn’t put it past him to try! I expect cindy to jump up and confess at any moment now.

  723. ThoughtElf said, on March 13, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    Neither will unless they get money out of it.

  724. judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    frankie

    That is the point I have been trying to make, that the honor of the job lies within the hands and heart of the one Performing the task, to do the job with ability and talent is an art.

    And is pure wonder to watch it unfold, Jose’ lacks the ability to hold us in awe.

    We watch him and scratch our heads and wonder WTH was that ?
    All we feel is dissonance.

  725. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 12:02 am

    Good Night all don’t forget to Spring Forward!!
    ((((HUGS)))))

  726. Heroesfan said, on March 14, 2010 at 1:17 am

    Judypc said, on March 13, 2010 at 10:35 pm Heroesfan:

    A defense Lawyer must look into the face of his client guilty or innocent and seek a way to best serve his/her client.

    ***************************

    Point taken Judypc, no disrespect to all lawyers they are a necessary evil! I think I’m just on an emotional rollercoaster with the latest anthony Shenanigans & may have come on too strong today. I really enjoy all your comments & information though we may slightly disagree on the OJ thing..lol.

    I think about my son & what a good pewrson he is. If he was ever accused of a crime I know in my heart he’d be innocent & I’d want the best defense attorney to represent him.

    They do defend the wrongly accused so we must have lawyers whether as a whole they are sort of going in the wrong direction, yet I’m sure their are still some noble ones left in the profession.

  727. Heroesfan said, on March 14, 2010 at 1:49 am

    Local Imbecile a Soul-Sucking Mooch, Shameless Pervert:

    -Orlando, FL-

    In a dramatic new twist in the never ending Casey Anthony saga, Orlando fool George Anthony has officially been exposed as both a parasitic mooch and brazen pervert. As followers of the ordeal are well aware, George, who sired accused murderess and sperm dumpster Casey Anthony, has been living off his insufferable gremlin-wife Cindy for the majority of their marriage.

    We all knew the former (very) part time rent-a-cop had the pleasure of spending most of his leisure hours tinkering with the family cars, cruising internet sadomasochistic porn and escort sites, and melting into the couch while digging for the world’s largest booger. Recent developments, however, reveal the true depths of George’s soul sucking whoredom and moochery.
    ___________________________________

    full article:

    http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/2010/03/13/local-imbecile-a-soul-sucking-mooch-shameless-pervert/

    EggTreeNews Blog
    Where the News Lands Sunnyside Up

    3/13/2010

  728. maynard payne said, on March 14, 2010 at 2:26 am

    Mr. Sheaffer,
    I read your article Cake and wondered, if the defense had opted to eat up time in appeals on the check fraud case, could the State have delayed the murder trial as well until the fraud case was resolved? And, if so under what circumstances. I also have a hypothetical question. At what point, if any would the time cease for either side to approach the other in order to broker a plea agreement?

  729. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 8:05 am

    It’s been said … the most maligned and despised …….. are defense attornenys ——— UNTIL ONE NEEDS ONE…. good morning all :-)

  730. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 8:06 am

    ————and No Nic…….. I followed your advice ….and it worked ……TY

  731. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 8:44 am

    Haz,

    Glad to be of assistance.

    ThoughtElf posted a link up-thread where this quote came from which I believe is quite poignant.

    “We are shameful for not recognizing that the essence of a lawyer is to stand up for a client – any client. Our system of justice is not based on providing counsel to those clients that we determine are worthy of such counsel.”

  732. ???????????? said, on March 14, 2010 at 8:53 am

    I come here to see what questions are asked to Bill Shaeffer, and see way too much blogging.
    Take it to topix, and get a life.
    This blog was NOT intened for chit chat.
    Grow up.
    If you have a legitimate question for Bill, fine, otherwise don’t waste the man’s time blogging.

  733. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:00 am

    Heroesfan:

    Thank you for that link, have mercy think that is the best report so far lol.

  734. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Heroesfan:

    Hey if everyone agreed all the time the world would be pretty drab.

    I do not think we in reality disagreed about OJ, the man or his guilt.

    I think maybe you took my appreciation of the talents and confident dream team as support for the client.

  735. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:20 am

    ????????????

    Well Good Morning to Sunshine, you if you look over to the right of the page you will see a page just for the questions, ( this is not that page) this is a Blog page we tend to do that, since that was what it was put here for.

    Now you have a nice day, try to find you’re smile, it’s a beautiful day.

  736. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:24 am

    My bad ???????????? look for the heading

    Submit Questions For Bill To Answer

    then you can ask questions read the questions to you’re hearts content.

  737. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:26 am

    judypc ————— you beat me to it……. :-)

  738. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:55 am

    craigatwftv said, on March 5, 2010 at 6:16 pm No Cake For Casey Thread

    Rs, yes, the post where Bill answered questions is totally open for discussion. Talk about his answers… talk about your new questions… go for it!

  739. Nom de Plume said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:16 am

    I enjoyed the article submitted by Heroesfan, and share the same feelings about Georgie. I have been buying into the River story, but the article raised a red flag. The article states she had photos. . . . . to support HER CLAIMS. Now, on various blogs, I have read that LE approached HER, according to the sister. She said she would never go to LE. Hopefully it is just a question of semantics. Any thoughts?

  740. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:23 am

    FYI — just finished reading a bit of an “interview” with ……. again …… the twin sister (who is 6 years younger :-) ) ——- on the another blog ….and the more I “learn” about his …. the stinkier it gets….. also went on the myspace pages — I feel its a sham/scam — would be most interested to learn REAL INFORMATION FROM THE PARTIES INVOLVED — SEE REAL PICS ….. KNOW what the lie detector test results are (even tho’ they not reliable) …. anyone else with me?

  741. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Hazaka:

    One of my bloggers also pointed out something that makes you go hummmm.

    Seems around Christmas Miss A River runs through it, made a post on her my-space saying “she did not have money to buy Christmas for her kids”

    Now that begs the question’s of…
    (1) where did the 5 grand she gave Georgie come from?
    OR (2) Did Georgie tap the well dry, and leave no money for the kiddo’s?
    AND (3) WHY would a mum give money to an ol geezer that should have gone for her Kiddo’s?

  742. nom de plume said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Judy PC – I also read that on her my space or twitter or tweet or some damn thing that she hinted about a heart problem and “didn’t have enough money yet for surgery”. hmmmmm

  743. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Do you think that now since one Georgie Porgie meal ticket has confessed their “love”
    Others will follow?

    Will they line up in the Publix parking lots under a tent to share their stories?

    And the other nagging question I have not seen addressed…..

    What does this say about Georgie Porgies actions while the Grand-daughter he professed to love with all his heart was laying in a wooded lot, he was not searching, he was not home with his Grieving family, he was out getting laid….

    SWELL GUY ain’t he?

  744. nom de plume said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:44 am

    If there are others, and they were scorned, lied to, taken advantage of or stood up, damn skippy they will come forward! That is just the thing to do these days.

  745. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:50 am

    nom de plume said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:38 am
    Judy PC – I also read that on her my space or twitter or tweet or some damn thing that she hinted about a heart problem and “didn’t have enough money yet for surgery”. hmmmmm
    ——————————————–
    Oh Gee — the “sister” said …… the femme fatale —aka her older twin, had/has cancer

  746. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Hummmm will there be an Orlando chapter of GAFFA
    (George Anthony Femme Fatale Anonymous)

    Wonder what their 12 steps might be?

  747. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Judypc,

    Do you really believe that this story about George’s affair has any legs at all? I just don’t see where George had time for this especially with the scrutiny he has been under. IF this is true, I don’t think that Dominic Casey would be the only one to know about it. This Skye person, the “source for the story” is of dubious character to say the least. I read where River has commented on a blog but that could very well be Skye posting that in her name as well. Did OCSD interview both Skye and River or just Skye? I am going to stay neutral on this one till I see more come out from “verified sources” and not the ramblings of of what appears to me to be a nutcase looking for her fifteen minutes of fame.

  748. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:06 am

    No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:57 am ———————- Yes, yes … and yes again!! Way too peculiar ……. need more specifics!

  749. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Nic.

    I think George is sneaky enough to slither away into the dark.

    I think there was an affair, but I have yet to make up my mind as to how it will effect the case, if at all.

    If in fact there are messages between them where George admits they knew Caylee was dead, then I have to ask, WHY is he still walking around a free man?

    Until we see the doc’s from LE I am keeping a healthy dose of doubt in my mind.

    Now, that leads to yet another question, gosh…

    When do those doc’s become public record?

  750. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:20 am

    “When do those doc’s become public record?”

    That begs the question, did in fact the OCSD really interview her or did that come from Ms Belich’s “Inside Source”?

  751. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:22 am

    No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:20 am
    “When do those doc’s become public record?”

    That begs the question, did in fact the OCSD really interview
    ————————————————————————————————-

    and “what are the docs” …… cell phone pix? Who has them ….. again, why is the younger twin doing all the “talking” ….. whre is the older twin?

  752. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Craig would you be so kind as to ask Bill for us

    What would be the stat of limitations on
    Obstruction & Accessory and after the fact.

    Would the A’s be in the clear at this point from being charged?

  753. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:28 am

    LOL Nic & Hazaka.

    Seems we keep coming up with questions and no answers….
    Mind numbing isn’t it. :-(

  754. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:31 am

    judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:28 am
    LOL Nic & Hazaka.
    ————————————–
    Yuup — just when things get as crazy as one who imagine….. another bit of insanity hits ….

  755. ThoughtElf said, on March 14, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Well, that was a constructive bit of rambling, wasn’t it?

    Lot of bitching – no content there about the case. Smacks of hypocrysy with a tinge of obsession?

    What’s your real issue? No original thought so picking apart others is your only option for self-fulfillment?

    Did someone forget to say good morning to you? Aww, Pookie. How sad to feel like you just can’t be part of it all unless jumping up and down – hoping for negative attention.

    Here you go. Wish fulfilled. Have a 152 ‘Thanks’ vote day.

  756. BEES KNEES said, on March 14, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    I’m not quite sure I believe this story. Half the time I do and half the time I don’t. I have no doubt whatsoever that George COULD have had the affair and easily found the time to do so. He was unaccompanied as he cruised around in the Caylee-mobile. And because this woman had been helping with the searches I don’t know if anyone would have been suspicious even if they saw them together. There’s just too many unanswered questions right now. And by the way, can we please have that “other shoe” now??? Maybe the red flags will be addressed with that. According to Skye, Cindy did not know about this until the media got it. At least that’s how I’m understanding it. I think we should check Google Earth and see if there are any dark clouds of smoke coming from the Anthonys today.

  757. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Elf.

    Excellent mon sage

  758. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Bees,

    As always you come through with a wholesome thought and a bit of humor. Will that be the right shoe or left?

    All six of us thank you for your post. :wink:

  759. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Bees.

    I wanted to wait until all the Thank -You’s were posted but OH WELL….

    I wonder how Miss River knows Cindy was in the dark?

    Maybe because she was not attacked by the wild hammer….

    Or Maybe Cindy knew, as most wives do, and just did not give a flying flip, the more time he spent by the River-side fishing gave her a sigh of relif….

    To say this story has ho’s is an understatement.. :-)

  760. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 12:36 pm
    ———————————————-
    “ho’s?????” This just may be the biggest HO HO HO on all of us ….. or just HO HUM ……

  761. ThoughtElf said, on March 14, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Great new article by JWG up on Hinky, explaining how to understand the ping maps they’d created:
    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1992

    Much experience and many bright minds have worked hard to bring factual evidence to the forefront.

  762. BEES KNEES said, on March 14, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Nic, aren’t you sweet? That’ll be left shoe please. LOL!

    Good point judy. How could she know Cindy was in the dark? She would have absolutely no way of knowing if George had confessed to Cindy or not. Hmmmmmmmm . . . many things to mull over, many unanswered questions.

  763. ThoughtElf said, on March 14, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Well, since at least one of us is male, and another is far, far from old – or a grandmother, it seems that indeed there ‘is nothing here’ for you to apply your own Sherlock sluethy skills to.

    Powers of perception are about as useful as your contributions to the discussion or questions here on Bill’s blog that you’re littering with trash in every consecutive post.

    And that’s the last time I’ll comment further on that.

  764. Diana said, on March 14, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    *Bees
    I feel the same as you do about the “affair”. Not buyin it. George was being followed 24/7 at the time she claims to have been with him. He was even nailed (no pun intended) in the wee hours fleeing from the makeshift memorial with Cindy in tow. I don’t know, and not sure I even care……unless it proves in some way that George knew what really happened long before Caylee was found.

  765. knight owl said, on March 14, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    I don’t think JS can cover Baez from making fatal mistakes. Baez has brought his client all the way to be up for the death penalty when he should have been convincing her to take a plea way back before Caylee’s body was found. Baez only has his own interest not is client’s but Casey is too dumb to see it. Baez wanted recognition in this high profiled case is my opinion.

  766. knight owl said, on March 14, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Hi Bees and Diana and everyone else here.

  767. frankie said, on March 14, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Make that 6 freaks posting please! :) Nothing really to add, at least right now, but I didn’t want to be left out of the census!

    ATTENTION TROLLS: I really don’t care what you say about the length of time people are here and yada yada yada….However, I am an old biddie and I would appreciate your finding some other derogatory term to use when ragging on bloggers. Old biddies need a little more respect please.

    PSSSST: I think everyone is entitled to express their thoughts on this matter, else Mr Moderator Craig would not hesitate to rattle our chicken houses. just sayin……

  768. frankie said, on March 14, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    My only question about the affair is simply…WTH would have an affair with george? He is a broke butt moocher, liar and ugly to boot. If there is a woman here who would really consider having an affair with this person, please raise your hand! I, for one, find him rather creepy…He gives me shivers and NOT IN A GOOD WAY. george has always just looked like a chester the molester type to me….no basis for that generalization, that is just the way he has always struck me.

  769. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Hi knight owl,

    I don’t think that Baez can convince Casey of anything much less taking a plea. I truly believe that she thinks she will get out of this minor predicament as she always has. Surely I jest but she has the narcissism to believe that in her own twisted mind. This new revelation about George is somewhat suspect and I think everyone wants to see more than just sound bites and an interview with someone who has only hearsay to testify to. They will never put this Skye on the witness stand as she only has hearsay evidence. If we knew her real name we could look up her rap sheet. So far I have found nothing. Do you know if Blink or Val has found anything about her?

  770. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    frankie, Craig won’t be in the office till Tuesday morning. I think that he will rattle the chicken house and I can only think of one CHICKEN that will fall out. That’s what I’m sayin’.

  771. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    been away for a bit —————– all I can say is ……….OYE VA VOY :-) What is up with some of our friends? Time change???? ;-)

  772. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    dondi said, on March 14, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    “you are spamming this blog.”
    =======

    And what do you call the above? Intellectual dialog about the Casey Anthony case? I hardly think calling the kettle black is the way to ingratiate yourself here. You are welcome to join in the conversation. We’ll be glad to give you fifteen minutes so you can get a word in edgewise.

  773. frankie said, on March 14, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    River Cruz …..Skye Benhaida (Zenaida)….Do these names sound real? LOL Sounds more like stage names to me….and that one picture reportedly of Skye looks like a quean!

  774. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Frankie:
    at the risk of the rath of Dondi and getting in their way and blocking all the 142 thank you’s and not allowing them to get a word in edge way.

    Been trying to figure out the name game for awhile now.

    Is she?

    River Cruz, River Allen, River Behaida, or Krystal Rivers?

    Seems she has an identity crisis going on, but I guess that is understandable since she is the oldest twin dang her momma must be in the record books somewhere too, she had twins 6 years apart, now thats some long labor……

  775. knight owl said, on March 14, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    Hi Nic, yea your correct. Where was my brain? Thanks for reminding me as your so right no one could have convinced Casey to take a plea for all the reasons you just said. She wouldn’t even listen to Papa George when he wanted to get rid of Baez and get her a new Lawyer way back in the very early days. Casey knows it all and she is going to do things her way come you know where or high water. I think she got just what she deserved in a lawyer myself so i hope Baez stays on the case. A public defender just might swing getting her off somehow. I also agree with you on this affair mess too. No i don’t know if Blink or Val has found out anything new on Skye either or her sister River. I cannot help but think Baez is involved in this somehow but i blame him for so much idiocy i could be wrong this ONE time. lol

  776. knight owl said, on March 14, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    The more i think on the affair mess i keep coming up with, if he had an affair Would George have actually picked a Latino to have an affair with? I know cindy doesn’t like them , i don’t think George disliked them, but somehow i just cannot picture George liking them in a sexual type relationship. He seems too old school for that way of thinking to me so i keep thinking it is a planned set up to try and prove doubt on Casey’s nanny story and too cause a great deal of confusion and i go also right back to Jose in the set up. Perhaps Skye is being payed under the table to tell this story. I have no faith that there has been no shadiness going on with Baez, Jill kerley and the ex grundled kronk wives for two reasons.

  777. knight owl said, on March 14, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    I think we should give the defense some holy water and see the results of it before we continue with George’s assumed women lova pals. sorry but i just can’t help myself today. lol

  778. Myrtle Beach said, on March 14, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    Hey y’all from self-professed Blog Spammin’ Freak No. 9 here (couldn’t resist the absurdity of it all).

    I can envision George as a cheater. I do think he was probably busted by Casey and she leveraged what she could with that info. I always thought her description of the Ghost-sitter was pretty close to what she looks like (in her twisted mind) and what she wishes she looks like. BUTT maybe, just maybe, George had a honey that resembled that description – maybe just maybe, he has a certain “type” of honey – who knows?

    As for the veracity of this River/Skye story that hit the airwaves at 5 pm on a Friday, I am reserving my judgment because the Howard Hughes Hoax keeps coming to mind. If, however, this story does prove to be true, then I will be more than glad to have been wrong (and I don’t say THAT very often).

  779. Diana said, on March 14, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Hi *Knight owl :)

    LOL Frankie……….EXACTLY my thoughts about George. Who would WANT HIM??? A married, lazy, lying, pansy. Everything I hate.!!!

  780. Huh? said, on March 14, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    Gigolo George

  781. Heroesfan said, on March 14, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Hey there! RiverC01 is using Twitter.

    River says-

    all the truth and tapes will be released on aire within the week~WHICH WILL PROVE EXACTLY WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG
    about 6 hours ago via web

    http://twitter.com/RiverC01

  782. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Heroesfan ———— so — who’s the “woman” … river or sky??? anyway ….. we’ll c …………. whatevah ————–

  783. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Judypc,

    I can’t find in the Orange County Clerk of Courts any combination’s of these names you listed: River Cruz, River Allen, River Benhaida, or Krystal Rivers. I am guessing that these are all alias’ or they are from Osceola or another County.

    Now I also checked Osceola as well and found nothing there either. :???:

  784. ThoughtElf said, on March 14, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    Still checking this out, but on a blog talk radio show tonight it was said that a ‘credible’ source says JB brokered the ABC deal to receive $700,000 AFTER the trial.

    Still reading notes. If this source really is credible, (which remains to be seen,) then perhaps this is the ‘other shoe’? It certainly would be big news on the heels of Casey filing for indigency.

    BTW, sorry to be late with obsessive spamming and my abject apologies for not sending up a BBL. ;)

  785. Sanny said, on March 14, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    I think the real queen here is Kalani in those willie wonka sunglasses.

  786. ThoughtElf said, on March 14, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    If there is any truth at all in this, this could almost guarantee an appeal.

  787. Sanny said, on March 14, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Why after all this time……does this come out now? If it happened 2years ago?

    Waiting for the other shoe to drop……but in the meantime, Thursday, G & C will be
    in court again…….and I’ll be looking carefully at George’s face to see if Cindy left any
    tell tale signs of abuse……LOL

  788. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    ThoughtElf,

    Which Blog Talk Radio? Not Simon Barrett I hope.

  789. judypc said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    OK not sure which freak number I am somewhere between 1 & 6 I think :razz:

    HUMMM, what if Skye has a split personality :twisted: and River is the Evil twin :evil:
    And with River having 4 aka’s Folks we could have a real live Sybil thang going on right before our very eyes :roll:

    So, does this mean Georgie in reality has 5, count em 5 other women to his credit all rolled into one :shock:

  790. ThoughtElf said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    I am glad to see I am not the only one having a Freak Identity Crisis! But, then I reviewed and feel so much better, as I am pretty sure I am #1 on the Freak list.

    Nic – not sure which show it was on, I was reading posts after the fact. I’m not sure what to make of it. There were a few parts mentioned that may be in the State’s depots with GA, CA &/or LEE, but we haven’t seen those yet.

    Judy – If it was 5, at a $1,000 a pop, I am sure he was hoping he could split her off into a few more. Way beyond twins. Thinking the Octo-Pop of Sybillettes? His own version of Geo & River + Eight?

    Wonder which name would be best on morning news shows or NG?

  791. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    Oh darn Elf, I was hoping to take the #1 spot on that list. If it was Simon and Jan Barrett on the Blog Talk Radio, you can take those two with a grain of salt.

  792. Huh? said, on March 14, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    CASEY ANTHONY: THE STATE OF INDIGENCY

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/03/15/watts-up-with-this

  793. ThoughtElf said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    Thanks, Huh. Will check if the audio is up yet.

  794. Huh? said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    Elf, your welcome! Yep it’s up, very Interesting!!

  795. frankie said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    OK ….now that george’s perverted little secret is out…cause if you look at the photo being plastered all over the web that is supposedly Skye, uh, she kinda looks a little masculine….who wants to discuss why we have not heard the results of the DNA test on george and who made that creepy silent video of Caylee where the camera was headed up her little legs? Creep!

  796. frankie said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    Elf: Maybe the 700k story is real, baez realizes the gig is up and it is not going to happen and then decided he best file for indigence status if he hopes to be paid anything?

  797. ThoughtElf said, on March 14, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    Frankie:

    Not sure. I’m still trying to sort this out. Strickland ruled in March 09 that there was no violation regarding finances. But, wasn’t it shortly after that when he filed a complaint against JB? And did we ever see the basis of the complaint? Or was it related to DC saying JB told him not to call 911 if he found Caylee’s remains in the woods?

    I’ve always thought that JB has had some squirrely, unethical financial dealings, but every time someone tries to nail him, it seems as if he’s covered his behind too well to get caught.

    If this ‘evidence’ is in one of the State depos, it might be worthy of note, because we haven’t seen Lee, Mallory, George or Cindy’s State depos. It might even pass the hearsay sniff test.

    I don’t confuse the indigence status with JB’s fees at all. They aren’t going for fees paid, they want costs/expenses paid for expert testimony, depositions, travel, etc. From the sounds of things, JAC is already saying they won’t pay for out-of-state travel (i.e. Andrea Lyon & her pal Mort,) per their existing rules & guidelines.

    I would love to see JB get sanctioned for some of his behaviors, but I am almost hoping this $700,000 deal isn’t true, as it makes more of a mess of the case, and opens further doors for appeal. Aside from the fact that is is pure blood money.

  798. Huh? said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    The news media can now ask to have the march 24th unsealed..in order to find out where them money came from now because of the Indigent filing so it was said on the link at 9:49 pm

  799. ThoughtElf said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    What time does the spammer/freak posting curfew start? Which time zone? Do we account for Daylight Savings Time? So confused, but I’ll risk a response to HUH and hope for the best.

    I watched that hearing again a while ago. Ashton & LDB were certainly trying to get to the truth about the finances. Who knows how much JB used wiggle-room behind closed doors in camera?

    I was wondering if the JAC might also have the ability to get the March 24 unsealed? They have a much bigger dog in the fight now than the media do. I was also interested that the indigent motion was filed incorrectly.

    Either way, I expect judge Strickland will take some action to get a full accounting. The indigent status request didn’t pass muster right away, thus this week’s hearing. This has been a rough week for the defense, when you include the stellar whipping that Mark NeJame handed JB in his last motion response. That was a nice piece of lawyering.

  800. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    13 minutes to go before I am accused of being an insane inane blogger, dim witted blabbermouth, same 5 freaks can’t stop, fruitcake who coopt the blog, and last but not least just some old biddie playing sherlock holmes and making a fool of myself AGAIN. :lol:

  801. No Nic said, on March 14, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    Oh, and I forgot to add, and post 30 plus comments per day until the wee hours of the night. Now ain’t that hoot. :smile:

  802. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 12:58 am

    WOW! LEE FINDS ESOTD ONE WEEK AFTER SHE LEFT…
    hawaiicalls Today at 4:41 am

    .Rozzie ” Lee did find Casey one week after she had not been seen by the family , he found her , drunk and partying in a Fat Tuesdays club. He asked her where Caylee was, and according to the witness, Casey said Caylee was with friends. He did not call the police ! The police were not called for several more weeks!

    This is in a deposition, I have my source, this will come out in trial! This is absolutely one hundred percent true. What happened during those three weeks? What did the Anthonys know and were they trying to cover this up?!”

    Host” Wow, I hadn’t heard that before”.

    Update: After the show Mr. Hornsby expanded on Rozzie’s remarks, “As for Rozzie’s statements about Lee, she is referring to a statement Lee Anthony supposedly gave to law enforcement pursuant to a grant of use immunity that his lawyer negotiated. I do not believe this “statement” has been released yet.

    If I understood her correctly, she was implying that Lee had confronted Casey a week after Caylee was last seen; thus the family had known for at least three weeks that Caylee was missing. Which would explain why Cindy told Casey “we have given you over a month” to find Caylee.”.
    hawaiicalls

    http://justice4caylee.forumotion.net/links-for-news-f13/hornsby-s-latest-opinion-t5462.htm

    ****************************

    Could this be the other shoe about to drop?

  803. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 2:23 am

    I’m not a Hornsby fan but Rozzi Franco & he have good chemistry & make so many good points with radio host Steph Watts.

    They discuss reasons why Judge Strickland may wimp out at this Thursday’s court hearing & gloss over Baez’s unethical deals one a possible ($700,000 deal) with ABC.

    Hornsby says Lyons forced Baez to claim Casey indigent.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/03/15/watts-up-with-this

  804. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 3:08 am

    Rozzi & Hornsby discuss an ABC cover up involving Kathi Belich who works for ABC. Deflecting from the indigency hearing by expoxing & covering what amount to up a meaningless affair…hmmmm?? What do you guys think?

    Belich who I admire usually goes after Baez klike a pit bull, Casey’s indigency hearing should be “the big news” so what does Belich do, deflect from what should be the biggest bombshell to interview ‘the sister’ of George’s alleged mistress who claims George says it was an ‘accident that spiraled out of control’ something is very fishy.

  805. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 3:14 am

    I’m not sure about anything anymore, but it seems like the media is controlling this case lately. ABC paying $700,000 to Baez after trial is very shady imo & from what I understand against the bar’s ethics & rules. Rozzi Franco says her very reliable source says it’s true & Baez has some shady dealings he’s trying to hide.

    Belich was my hero, but now is shej backing off of the real important development, $$$ the hearing on Casey being indigent…to protect ABC who bottom line is her boss??

    Sorry Dondi, this no life blogger, wanna be sleuth is posting in the middle of the night again, you don’t have to read it.

  806. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 3:18 am

    One more thing, a news, media outlet can request the March 24th finance payment information to be unsealed now, why haven’t they? Since Casey is indigent, Baez has no right to keep it sealed.

  807. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 3:27 am

    Sorry guys, one more thought..what if jurors lie to get on the jury? To make blood money after the trial like everyone else seems to be trying to do? Or for their own dishonest agenda, like freeing a baby killer?

    That’s just an awful thought but I wouldn’t put it past people, this case has gotten so out of control. The only person who can reign it in is Judge Strickland, let’s hope he does.

  808. Scotswoman said, on March 15, 2010 at 6:07 am

    Heroes

    I istened to the radio show and FWIW here is my take on it

    Rozzi Franco imo has never broken anything of significance in this case, unlike Bellich.
    Her story about a pot of 700K in not new. Rewind to the hearing on just this matter where the Judge ruled (after specific questioning), emphasis on….. that NO conflict exists.

    http://www.wftv.com/news/19002037/detail.html

    If Baez lied to the Judge, not only would it result in immediate removal from the case but I would suspect immediate disbarrment.

    Re Hornsby’s infterence that JS may whimp out, Hornsby must have missed that JAC assistant general counsel Christian D. Lake wrote in his filing. “the JAC has severe concerns regarding the Defendant’s indigency”

    I would suspect that a represenative of the JAC will be present at next week’s hearing. I have no doubt JS knows the ball park figure discussed at the “No Conflict” hearing and will want every dollar accounted for before giving the green light for tax payers to pick up the tab. This Judge is way too smart to “gloss over” anything.

    As to the “affair” story, regardless of its veracity….. imo, though titilating, and showing George Anthony in a very poor light, ultimately it will have NO bearing on the murder trial.

    What interests me more……..is WHAT were OC detectives investigating that may have led them to a kidfinder’s searcher, former Anthony groupie who possibly got in the sack with old George.

    Interesting that Hornsby says (paraphrasing)….. I think Casey will be found guilty of something but not first degree murder……………wtf

  809. Scotswoman said, on March 15, 2010 at 6:35 am

    Heroesfan said

    Belich was my hero, but now is shej backing off of the real important development, $$$ the hearing on Casey being indigent…to protect ABC who bottom line is her boss??

    ———————————————————-
    Wel,l I dont see Bellich as a hero, I do see her as a tenacious reporter who would have the sense to check her sources before going to press.

    Wasn’t WFTV the news outlet that brought the ABC deal out in the first place. An if Hornsby’s theory held water, wouldnt it be better to hold back the “affair” story till or around the hearing date set for the indigency matter.

    Ok So Kathi Bellich is putting out there a story which if totally unfounded coud result in the Anthony’s laying a big fat defamation suit on WFTV

    And in doing so she diverts attention from the real story?. Nah I dont think so.

    Well Bellich may be good but I doubt she coud have determined WHEN detectives went a calling on George’s alledged mistress.

    imho, she got the headsup and ultimatley scooped a story that George may have been playing away from home. The “accident that snowballed” is not the story here imho…………………..and no cover up for ABC

  810. RS said, on March 15, 2010 at 7:31 am

    What is up with the implied stuff on Belich?

    Sentinel TV guy quoted the WFTV news director as the story was NOT a single source story….

    And it makes no sense to imply or accuse Belich of an ABC coverup…..she reported the ABC payment story…..back in the day…

    As to defamation, she reported a woman claims etc., etc.,

    and was there not a woman on your TV or computer monitor when you guys played the video reports or saw the broadcast claiming there had been had an affair? You know, just like Belich stated in her report…so where is the intent for defamation since there sure was a live woman right on your TV or monitor claiming exactly as reported by Belich?

  811. Hazaka said, on March 15, 2010 at 7:34 am

    I am always mystified how quickly people jump to conclusions ——- :-) Can’t we all just wait and see how things develop?

  812. ThoughtElf said, on March 15, 2010 at 8:46 am

    Ok, that is really creepy. Mostly inaccurate, and lacking in any real comprehension of facts.

    Flattered by the undue attention, but… that screams Cyber-Stalker.

    In a really creepy, crazy, obsessed kind of way.

  813. No Nic said, on March 15, 2010 at 8:47 am

    RS,

    I agree with you in spirit but if what Kathi reported turns out to be a false story? Then she is culpable as well for it is incumbent upon her to be sure of the facts first and foremost. I don’t know if this tabloid fodder or the real thing but a lot of folks think that there is something very smelly about this story and some of those folks have a brighter bulb than mine. I said up-thread that I thought KB “Jumped the Shark” on this one. We will see soon enough I reckon.

  814. judypc said, on March 15, 2010 at 9:42 am

    You can not convince me that Kathy B did this story as a cover, I am concerned that this lovers tale might be a red herring of sorts and Kathy B was targeted by jose’ & the A’s.

    As I have said, they hate her.

    I will find it interesting to see if any media source files to see those sealed records in regard to Jose’ and the money trail.

    “IF” what Hornsby had to say carries water then Jose’ would be looking for any way to shift the light away from his shady deals.

    And I do see this coming out as an issue after the trial when Casey is found guilty and setting in the BIG cross bar hotel.

    I believe Kathy B did not think Georges affair was “The Story” but that his pillow talk where he in fact knew Caylee was dead was what she deemed as important to the case and the gut of her story.

    We have all had a few laughs over the whole George getting giggy with his gal pal, and that I think is because we are just so dreadfully tired of the whole Queen & King Anthony spiel that anything that knocks them off their pedestal is hungrily absorbed.

    I would think it is time the citizens make their feeling known to the court and to the media that if tax payers are expected to foot the bill we expect nothing short of full disclosure as to Jose’ and what cookie jar his hands are in.

  815. Hazaka said, on March 15, 2010 at 9:44 am

    No Nic ————— I may be sleeping at midnight …. so ….. let me just do my affirmation now —- HELLO, MY NAME IS HAZAKA AND I’M A COMPULSIVE BLOGGER …. :-)

  816. judypc said, on March 15, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Nic thank you for the invite, I need to figure out which freak level I am, I know it is between 1 & 6 but dondi has never been clear about my leavel of freakness.

    Its really good to know they have stalked us in order to expose our sickness for blogging @ Bills.
    How would we have ever known our freakyness otherwise?

  817. No Nic said, on March 15, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Haz,

    So noted and as you, as old as I am, I will be sleeping well before that also but carry on as if I were there. :lol:

  818. sterling1462 said, on March 15, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Blog show host Steve Watts was working for ABC during the time that that Baez recieved funding.
    He has information but will not discuss what he knows. He states this in the last 10 minutes of this interview.
    State has not asked him…. but he does information and unless he is approched by JAC he will not disclose.
    Keep in mind he stated early in this interview….
    drum roll……BOMBSHELL….
    Steve Watts states that he has heard it is much more than 200,000
    then he lets the lady to say its from ABC…. and he does not correct her….. 200,000 up front and 700,000 to Baez after the trial.
    Steve Watts is sitting on information but has not been approached by the JAC.
    Someone from Florida has to inform JAC about Steve Watts. BEFORE THE HEARING ON THURSDAY.

  819. judypc said, on March 15, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Heroesfan:

    I was asking about Cindys statement on the 911 call right after I heard it.
    When she thought she was being transferred and not being recorded.

    That is why I think team Jose’ wants the calls thrown out.

  820. No Nic said, on March 15, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Judypc,

    I think that this is a case of an unrequited love thang. I hesitate to think that George is THAT stoooopid, given the scrutiny he has been under. I wouldn’t blame him for cheating on the Green Eyed Devil but holy crap batman, that would be intellectual suicide for him.

  821. Huh? said, on March 15, 2010 at 10:39 am

    No Nic, ahhh thank you! I thought his voice was deep for female :lol:

  822. No Nic said, on March 15, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Huh? said, on March 15, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Mine is too but don’t tell. :wink:

  823. BEES KNEES said, on March 15, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Where’s the spam? I don’t see any spam. Am I spam? Are we fighting?

  824. nom de plume said, on March 15, 2010 at 11:55 am

    OK, here’s some spam. Hi Bees. Why do I think of Nasonex when I see your avatar?☺

  825. BEES KNEES said, on March 15, 2010 at 11:59 am

    Heroes, I’m not a fan of Hornsby either ever since he went after Bill S. is such a low-classy manner. You know we all love Bill so much and we are vigilant in our defense of him. Like, how DARE anyone go after him!!! AS IF!!!! LOL! But, I think the blog radio piece from last night is definitely worth a listen. He hit on a couple things I’d not thought of.

    Good point, Scotswoman. Re: “the JAC has severe concerns regarding the Defendant’s indigence.” And re: Kathi Belich ~ she’s another one we love. My heart will be broken if she’s knowingly diverting attention from the real story. I just can’t believe that.

    Who’s the crazy Canadian? Judy? It could be me ~ I’ve got two out of three. Crazy? Check. Canadian? Check. Unemployed? No. I am employed. But kidding aside, do you live in Ontario, Judy? That’s where I am.

  826. No Nic said, on March 15, 2010 at 11:59 am

    This is a tweet by Rozzie Franco.
    # I have information in the Casey Anthony Case no one else has. 9:30 PM Mar 12th via web

    http://twitter.com/RozzieFranco

    Rozzie, what the hell do you know and when did you know it?

    Rozzie Franco Interview with Cindy Anthony. I haven’t read this before. It is worth reading. In the middle of this is a clip of a conversation between Lee and Casey. Then Kelly talks to Franco about the clip. Worth listening to.

    Transcript:
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,393262,00.html
    Video:

    Megyn Kelly interview with Rozzie Franco Again something I haven’t seen before.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/3909814

  827. No Nic said, on March 15, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    No Bees. it was not you dear. It was a personal attack against TE. It has been dealt with. Let’s drop it and move back into the case. I am hoping that R. Hornsby petitions the court to unseal the documents. There is no reason now not to. Craig, would it be a conflict of interest if Bill Sheaffer did it?

  828. BEES KNEES said, on March 15, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    I see. Thanks, Nic. Well we sure have enough to think about this week don’t we? If the affair has been brought to light or fabricated as a distraction from Thursday’s hearing we can’t let that happen. We need to focus on the important stuff ~ whether or not George Anthony is a gigolo, although juicy enough as gossip, has nothing to do with Caylee’s murder.

  829. judypc said, on March 15, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Bees:

    No I am a freak from Florida lol. :twisted:

    But Nic has started a new chapter for us so we can all get healed of our freakyness lol.
    We started out with just 6 of us on the freak meter.
    But I see we have grown, something had to be done!!
    So Nic hooked us up lol

  830. nom de plume said, on March 15, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Well, it would appear that my little attempt at humor was not well received. Bees, it occurred to me that if you are in Canada, you don’t see the same TV commercials as here. Nasonex has a cute little bee (just like yours) in their ads. Just wanted you to know there was no malice in that post, I am not one of “them”. Now I will shut up and slither off.

  831. judypc said, on March 15, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    nom de plume:

    I caught you’re joke lol.

    We know you are not one of “them” we know you are one of us, a freak in good standing lol, Welcome to our Bills Chapter of the freakest!!

  832. Nom de plume said, on March 15, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Thanks Judypc!

    I have nothing to post about right now; am going to sit staring at the TV and hope there will be some good news soon. Hope the other shoe is a brogan! I can’t imagine that camp Anthony has not been standing on the roof of the foreclosed house shouting about the injustice!

  833. BEES KNEES said, on March 15, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Hi Nom de plume! No, I haven’t seen that commercial ~ but not only am I in Canada, I also don’t have a TV. I can usually find whatever I’m looking for online. There’s even one person who posts Nancy Grace everynight so I have seen her show more than a couple times. She has quite the fiery temper and turns on her “team” rather savagely but I have seen the odd good segment every once in a while. Thanks for telling me about the bee!

  834. frankie said, on March 15, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Sorry…the conspiracy theory where KB is playing court jester to cover a crime doesn’t work for me. It would be the end of her career if she did something like that. I hope the defense didn’t set her up, but that would IMO be more likely than active participation in a conscious effort to divert attention from the real issue. WFTV has consistently covered this crime and KB in particular has taken it on the chin for her coverage…I see no point in the station changing course now.

  835. RS said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Frankie,

    I agree, seems some wish to skip past the news director mentioning to Hal at Sentinel this is NOT a single source story…

    Has nothing to do with Baez,

    or Belich either being in some conspiracy cahoots on behalf of ABC network..

  836. frankie said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    WFTV reporting gteorge texted mistress 5 days after Caylee was found! Also said Cayle was dead at Thanksgiving. RS…when was the FL Mall sighting?

  837. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    JUSTICE ADMINISTRATIVE COMMISSION (JAC)

    E-mail Form- JAC Executive director Victoria Montanaro:
    http://www.justiceadmin.org/contact/emailform.aspx?ToName=Victoria%20Montanaro

    URL:
    http://www.justiceadmin.org/

    Mailing Address
    PO BOX 1654
    Tallahassee, FL 32302

    Telephone Number
    1-866-355-7902
    850-488-2415

  838. RS said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    Are the conspiracy theorists satisfied now? This is obvious a story all on it’s own, not tied to any alleged WFTV cover for ABC, or the other blog myths floated….

    http://www.wftv.com/news/22846532/detail.html

    George Anthony Texts Alleged “Other Woman”

    ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — WFTV learned more about the “other woman” who says she was in George Anthony’s life. The woman says the relationship was going on while Caylee was missing and for months afterward.

    River Cruz told WFTV she never wanted to get involved, but had to when detectives came knocking.

    George Anthony’s alleged mistress left the Orange County Sheriff’s Office Monday with her camera and phone, which detectives had returned after lifting evidence from them.

  839. RS said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    frankie,

    The FL Mall ( hoax ) was presented the week of Nov. 18, 2008

  840. judypc said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    George A denys affair.

    On another news channel they had George saying it was all false.

    Hummm remember Clinton ” I did not have sex with that women” lol kind’a reminded me of that.

  841. RS said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    judy.

    what other news channel?

    Let me guess, first would be WESH, 2nd would be Fox where he did his microscope diatribe..

  842. Myrtle Beach said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Just a thought from an old freak who has been known to post once too many times a day: Remember when Monica Lewinsky was managing to get herself photographed at different presidential appearances? (her dumb looking beret making her stand out) Well, I’m just a little surprised at the “appearances” of this so-called paramour at the anthony home and the memorial service even though the women don’t resemble each other much to me – it’s all a little too weird.

    Could this be a case of a George Groupie who made it a point to get involved (and I don’t think George would have resisted too much) with him for whatever reasons? I’d bet George could spin a very sad story and seduce a woman who is willing to listen and maybe even put out her hard earned cash. So, if this story is true, who was hustlin’ whom?

    I can’t think of a murder case with such salacious details and such a tawdry cast of charlatans, grifters and round heeled trollops in the history of the world. You can’t make this stuff up! OR CAN YOU?

    As the detective from Dragnet so famously said “Just the facts, Ma’m.” Let’s stick to the facts as they have been proven thus far in this case. Not half-truths or mis-truths. What is actually going on in the matter of the State of Florida v. Casey M. Anthony? Is she really indigent or is her crooked lawyer trying to hide assets? That’s the question of the week as I see it. Screw George and Cindy and their freaky habits. Get the right lawyer to defend the accused and get the fair trial on the road. Punish the killer and let everything else fall into place thereafter. Thanks for allowing me to Spam-the-Blog (is that like shred the gnarl?).
    Myrt

  843. judypc said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    The woman says she gave George about $5,000 after he cried poor and WFTV was told George told her he deposited the money in an account under his mother’s maiden name.

    hummm so are they hiding money?

    Can you do this?
    Open an account under a false name?

  844. Myrtle Beach said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Bees Knees, I always thought that TE was SS.

  845. judypc said, on March 15, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    lol RS wesh they are also talking to the lover gal in a few minutes

  846. RS said, on March 15, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    judy

    Gee how’d I guess…LOL..if it is flowery and seems like defense oriented it is on WESH

  847. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    George’s ‘Under The Microscope’ diatribe was the most narcissistic piece of crap ever. Was he paid to go on tv & read that shit?

    Your daughter killer your grand daughter & all you can babble on about is poor me, me, me.

    I never even saw it on TV, just read a couple of excerpts from his whiny little ‘speech’, ugh these people make me sick.

    IMO, George has always been too feminine, a whiny little girl. Cindy wears the pants in the family for sure. He seems to be attracted to masculine women.

    Please let this be over by at least May 2011 & make these hideous subhumans disappear from my site.

  848. judypc said, on March 15, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    humm well now Conway is saying they need to check these women out.

    Says George never said anything about Caylee having an accident.

    Police say they did talk with her and take a statement but it has no value to the case.

  849. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    judypc said, on March 15, 2010 at 5:11 pm humm well now Conway is saying they need to check these women out.

    Says George never said anything about Caylee having an accident.

    Police say they did talk with her and take a statement but it has no value to the case.

    George denies it.

    *******************

    And here we go…more freaks joining the show. Of course he denies it…nothing can be black & white or simple. What about his grotesque naked photos ‘River’ is supposed to have? How’s he gonna deny that?

  850. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    If George ever said that Caylee’s death was an accident to River then why didn’t she step kforward about 2 years ago. If it’s true & she didn’t offer this to LE I guess she belonged with th3e A’s & Kidfinders. Other than being useful to the case imo she can go to hell like the rest of them, birds of a feather…

  851. judypc said, on March 15, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    ok hold up.. which is it “George did not say that” OR it was ” just George hoping Casey had not done something”

    They can not have it both ways..

    AND If “it was just george hoping” then uhhh doesn’t that mean he did in fact talk to this women?

    Okay NIC I need a Meeting FAST!!
    I feel my freak meter going into the red zone!!

  852. RS said, on March 15, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    judy,

    If OCSO said they are investigating this per WESH online article…then who said it has no value to the case? What person authored that no value to case claim or what entity?

  853. No Nic said, on March 15, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    We will stat from the beginning.

    1. We admitted we were powerless over Blogging—that our lives had become
    unmanageable. We have done no house work for two weeks. The laundry room is filled to the brim. The lawn is knee high and we haven’t been out of our pajamas for the same two weeks.

    Next meeting tomorrow. Be there or we will come looking for you.

  854. Obsessed said, on March 15, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Sure has taken George a long time to deny the affair so odds are he did it. The mistress would be pretty stupid to claim this falsely, but she says she has text messages & photos to back up her story so we shall see. Love, love, love that this has come out and hope it has thrown a giant monkey wrench into killer KC’s defense.

  855. judypc said, on March 15, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    RS.
    It was the reporter, I can not think of his name sorry, that said they contacted OCSO and ask if statements had been taken from River Cruz, and they said yes they had taken her statement, and it did not have importance to the case.

  856. No Nic said, on March 15, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    Start not stat. Maybe I need a real AA meeting since I type like it. :wink:

  857. frankie said, on March 15, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    OK for those of you poo pooing this in relation to the case…think about this….g&c were doing their Caylee is alive panhandling and even (fake) had pictures (hoax) of her at FL Mall on Nov 18. Around Thanksgiving, according to reports, george hoped or stated that this was an accident gone out of control. Either statement shows he darn well KNEW Caylee was dead at the time of the FL Mall hoax. Someone told him Caylee was dead… .Imaginanny maybe? or casey?

    I can see Skye feeling sorry for poor old innocent george….lots of people did at the time. He was supposedly being had by big bad cindy. One blogger pointed out that george is a classic narcissist. That may be real close to the truth. Or Skye may have just figured it was a good investment….give him 5G’s and get it back later in spades, either through the scamdation or the book.

    OMG this is ridiculous.

    RIP Caylee, you deserve it, you had to spend your short little life in that house of horrors.

  858. judypc said, on March 15, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    LOL Frankie remember the heck I took way back because I always said George was scum?
    And everyone wanted to paint him as poor george.

  859. frankie said, on March 15, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    Yes I do Judy. You and I have had many conversations about this pervert…and I truly believe he is just that. If you and RS remember we discussed the possibilities back in the day that george was going out back, to avoid reporters. We discussed on the old blog that he may have been slipping around on cindy, but couldn’t believe anyone would want to be with him.

    Everyone talks about this woman being, well lets just say not a 10, but has anyone looked at george? My gawd that man is UGLY and an effeminate little gigilo at that!

  860. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    ThoughtElf said, on March 15, 2010 at 8:46 am Ok, that is really creepy. Mostly inaccurate, and lacking in any real comprehension of facts.

    Flattered by the undue attention, but… that screams Cyber-Stalker.

    In a really creepy, crazy, obsessed kind of way.
    ____________

    If this comment was for me for my midnight blogging I don’t think I’m hurting anyone. Just found the Steph Watts radio blog interesting & some points made are worth considering.
    I don’t think Kathi Belich would intentionally mislead or try to deflect from the indingency hearing. But Baez & ABC have both been shady imo so an indirect conspiracy is not that far fetched..considering the crap that’s been going on 2 year & counting.

    Nancy’s doing Caylee tonight..I’ll try toj not come back for awhile Thought Elf, in case I offended some.

  861. frankie said, on March 15, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    I figured it out!!! george thought Skye was the imaginanny and he thought he could get her to confess during a little pillow talk! LOL conway…you couldn’t figure that one out?

  862. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    OMG George is on Nancy now calling Caylee ‘that little girl’ so impersonal & imo a subconscious way to distance himself from Caylee due to his feelings of guilt.

  863. frankie said, on March 15, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    Heroesfan: They always call her “that little girl” not her name! They “absolutely” have done that “since day one”. I want to slap them and tell then her name is CAYLEE!!!

  864. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    George & Cindy’s jailhouse visit is on Nancy not George live..we’ll never see that though I think Nancy has been way too lenient on them. That jailhouse visit makes my stomach churn, all 3 A’s are putrid, no one demands the truth or tells it.

  865. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    I know frankie, but if someone delicately calls Caylee’s poor little body ‘remains’ George has a little hissy fit & wants to tear their head off. They can’t say Caylee because they are guilty of covering up for her murderer.

  866. No Nic said, on March 15, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    Heroes,

    That comment by TE was meant for a posters comment that has been deleted. It had nothing to do with you. You are mistaken.

  867. frankie said, on March 15, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    he knows the term “remains” reminds everyone that her body was not intact….They had left her in the woods and george knew what that meant. There was no “body” and ex LEO george knew full well there wouldn’t be. I think the insistence that she was alive served two purposes….mainly the $$$$ and secondly, the longer she lay in the swamp, the less evidence there would be. I doubt that was lost on george.

  868. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Oops, sorry I always like him/her, sometimes our messages are misunderstood. I meant no disrespect to thought elf, thought maybe I was irritating her.

  869. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    I dislike myself sometimes for how much I comment here & following this case soo0 closely…I hate how much I hate the Anthonys. Or hate their actions, try not to let my intense repulsion of the A’s consume me. But you look at them on Nancy Grace, in all their lying, cover-up glory, calling Casey ‘sweetheart, the CEO of her business’ they are repulsive revolting to the average honest citizen.

    Their lies so transparent I have to give it to detectives, to look at them in the face while they are spewing garbage & not want to slap them silly must have taken all Detective Yuri & Sgt. Allen’s willpower.

  870. frankie said, on March 15, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Wonder what business george thought casey was in? The business of murder?

  871. No Nic said, on March 15, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Heroesfan,

    The only thing I can say to you that might ease your troubled heart is to Hate the Sin, Not the Sinner. Keep your eye on the sparrow.

    His Eye Is On The Sparrow

  872. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Thanks NO Nic I’ll check it out now. Were you the poster that mentioned the song ‘What condition my condition was in’ in reference to the Anthonys? Someone here did & I’ve been obsessed with finding that video since. I’m going to youtube now.

  873. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Lauryn Hill and Tanya Blount His eye is on the sparrow. Just listened, beautiful song.

  874. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Hate the Sin, Not the Sinner. I know No Nic if only they’d repent, show remorse, not drag other’s into their destruction, it’d be easier not to loath them. I’ll try though..

  875. Heroesfan said, on March 15, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    frankie said, on March 15, 2010 at 8:02 pm Wonder what business george thought casey was in? The business of murder?

    ****************

    I don’t know, he treated her like she’s the head of the mafia, the godmother..ok I quit. Really though, the CEO of what..killers r us? That statement was so wimpy, cowardice, barf worthy & an injustice to Caylee that they didn’t demand the truth from that wench.

  876. No Nic said, on March 15, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    Heroes,

    No it wasn’t me but is this the one you are looking for.

    To See What Condition My Condition Was In

  877. frankie said, on March 15, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    Listening to NG which is a replay of the tapes/videos. One thing I had forgotten is when cindy tells casey that they (LE) are being nice to them again, casey responds that they should be nice. she says that she will help all she can, but if they come in demanding information she just won’t talk to them and advises cindy to do the same (paraphrasing) WTF???? Her child is “missing” and she is concerned about others kissing her arze?????

  878. frankie said, on March 15, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    In watching this talk between LE and casey, looks to me like all one would have to do is sit there and she will open mouth and insert both feet. Good gravy that girl likes to hear herself talk! She thinks she is so brilliant…LOL

  879. mixologist74 said, on March 16, 2010 at 12:09 am

    Here’s what looks like a cell phone pic of George and River…looks like it was taken in a bar.

    http://i41.tinypic.com/wa6as6.jpg

  880. Heroesfan said, on March 16, 2010 at 3:24 am

    That’s it No Nic! Must’ve been another blog someone said George is in a black hole then mentions the song’s words:

    “I pushed my soul in a deep dark hole
    and then I followed it in.
    I watched myself crawlin out
    as I was crawlin in.”

    I didn’t know it was Kenny Rogers & The First Edition- I Just Dropped In (To See What Condition My Condition Was In)

    All the A’s are in a black hole, a living hell mostly their fault. Trippy lyrics, love the song. Like how you posted the title as a link, I don’t know how. Thanks now that you found it I’m going to save your edition & the one with Kenny Rogers 1969..he was cool.

  881. Heroesfan said, on March 16, 2010 at 3:28 am

  882. Heroesfan said, on March 16, 2010 at 3:49 am

    The Big Lebowski is the one you linked to No Nic….I love that movie…forgot “The Gutterball” dream sequence.

    I’m glad Jeff Bridges finally won an Oscar..’The Dude’ is talented & still dreamy…

    Ok, I’ll shut up about the trippy, psychedelic song. It should be the Anthony’s Anthem…since they act like they’re hallucinating on drugs!

    Sorry for the OT stuff, I’m an insomniac..will probably be called a crazy ass blogger again..lol.

  883. Thinker Belle said, on March 16, 2010 at 3:53 am

    How is that pic considered an intimate moment? I’ve been closer to strangers at the gas station. Lol! It is obvious both knew the photo was being taken as they both looked over their shoulder for the moment.

  884. RS said, on March 16, 2010 at 7:34 am

    Who said the pic is there to represent an intimate moment?

    I don’t see where it is indicated in any way to represent an intimate moment…

    What it does demonstrate is they knew each other. I don’t see any Caylee T shirts on either of them in that pic.

  885. Thinker Belle said, on March 16, 2010 at 7:58 am

    Of course, they knew each other…she is in several photos and the scene near the home the day the remains were found. One person upthread could tell that they were in a bar, heck, I can barely make out their faces. And, who knows when these photos were taken. Even KC said her father was having an affair prior to Caylee’s disappearance.

  886. Hazaka said, on March 16, 2010 at 8:32 am

    Maybe it’s me….. but this “chick” is FUGLY ….. :-)

  887. judypc said, on March 16, 2010 at 8:39 am

    Thinker Belle.

    I doubt there will be a public release of the naughty pic’s, but who knows maybe they will blur out the x-rated parts.

    Kathy B straight up ask the sister had she seen the pic’s and were they naked” lol bless her cotton socks she was trying to restrain a chuckle when she ask.

    The sister said “yes she had seen them, and yes they were naked in bed”

  888. Mrytle Beach said, on March 16, 2010 at 8:41 am

    Sorry to be redundant here, but I keep thinking that the general times mentioned about this alleged affair are pretty fuzzy. “A couple years ago”…well, that isn’t factual enough for me. I’m not saying it didn’t happen. What I’m saying is could George have been known to this woman and this woman known to George any time prior to June 15, 2008? Did Casey bust him with a lover – maybe this woman or one of similar looks? I believe she did have some kind of information on George about his stepping out. The description of the woman’s tatoo is the connecting link imho. Let’s see/hear more about that. Personally, I think this entire “affair” is about as related to this case as Kronk’s ex-wife was.

    Kenny Rogers was a rocker when I was 15 – oh my how times have changed – he’s had a bad face lift and I could use one. lololol

  889. RS said, on March 16, 2010 at 8:46 am

    Actually, upon closer look at that pic when you go to the link…

    …….it is on the order of intimate in nature from what I see..

    Appears IMO he is holding her right hand in his and has his left arm/hand extended to her back or back of her chair or barstool if that is inside a bar…

    Gosh, maybe they are just comforting each other at a time of need…..LOL

    Whatever…..

    Again, I see no Caylee T shirts on either of them…

  890. Thinker Belle said, on March 16, 2010 at 8:48 am

    The big question is: Who took the pics? Why? Where? How?

    I can see him having an affair. I can see him accepting money from a woman. I can see him denying it. But, I can’t imagine the graphics for the occasion. It’s a WTF moment.

  891. Myrtle Beach said, on March 16, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Casey got the worst traits of both parents. I see as much George in her personality quirks as I see of Cindy’s. What a recipe for disaster.

    Neither C or G alone would be no picnic to deal with. I’ll bet George has been a piece of work all his life. Young Cindy gets married and has a child with him by the time she begins to discover what a handful he is and most likely decided to stay in her marriage and do the best she could. I don’t think she was always so domineering considering her family said they raised her like a [and even called her] Princess, she was ready to assume the role of the overbearing omnipotent Queen. So, George may have been cheating the marriage of financial assets (they lost the house in Ohio) as well as seeing other women way back then. Cindy now has 2 children and a “playa hubbie” – what’s a woman to do? SHE TAKES CONTROL or he lets her think she has. He lies and cheats; she fights and screams and the kids absorb it and interpret it their own ways. ei-yi-yi.

    Disclaiimer: This is pure conjecture on my part – no proven facts here.

  892. judypc said, on March 16, 2010 at 8:53 am

    lol Thinker I think the gal pal took the dirty pic’s of the two of them after hot monkey sex.
    And george being the dead head he is thought oh wow!!

    Cheese & Crackers this bunch is NUTS!!

  893. judypc said, on March 16, 2010 at 8:56 am

    Hazaka

    Mercy if shes a 10 then HOLY SMOKES I would hate to see what they call a 1.

    “Sorry miss you’re pretty, but you’re not a 10″ I know I know, just could not restrain myself…. :twisted:

  894. Hazaka said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:03 am

    judypc said, —– really!!!! Kind of a “MINUS’ AT THAT :-)

  895. Myrtle Beach said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:04 am

    George’s first wife declined comment on why their brief (childless) marriage broke up.

  896. judypc said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:05 am

    Myrtle Beach:

    Cindy was not a young Cindy when she met & Married George, he was married to another women when they met, she was a nurse at a hosp, in Ohio Georges then wife was in the hosp and Cindy & George met at that time.

    So she was the other women at one time.

  897. Hazaka said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:07 am

    judypc said,——————— WOOO ————- hadn’t heard that before? So … why haven’t we heard from the first wife? And, were there children in THAT marriage???

  898. judypc said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:09 am

    well in years she was I suppose a young cindy

  899. Thinker Belle said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:11 am

    C’mon, guys. Don’t you think she already knows she isn’t pretty. That swimsuit photo of her-she hid her face with her hair and huge sunglasses. It was a bad suit for her particular figure as she appeared thick in the waist and thin in the legs, with little or no boobies. Some women are shaped that way. I think they call “apple” if I’m not mistaken. She is average looking, and maybe she has a wonderful personality. Her character is something I would question since she knew he was married from the get-go.

    What I don’t understand is the scene the guy in the white sunglasses made near the home when the remains were found. He blasted GA for not sticking up for his daughter.If this person is her son, wouldn’t he have known GA? Why would he have cared about KC? Especially, if the “mistress” was still having an affair with GA!

    I wonder if the guy is actually a friend of KC and perhaps KC didn’t know the “mistress.”

  900. judypc said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:12 am

    The first wife has put distance between this card carrying fool.

    And no there were no children by that union, to my knowledge.

  901. judypc said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:16 am

    Hazaka:

    guess you will have to read my book, if it is ever published that is lol.

    Thinker the black guy with the glasses is not Rivers son.
    He was a friend, he claimed to be a friend of Casey’s but I think he was just a fruit cake that wanted to be on TV more than anything.

  902. Hazaka said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:17 am

    Okay folks…………… I am totally mystified ….. why oh why had none of this “come out” before now? There has been severe scrutiny from day one…. how could these secrets been kept????

  903. No Nic said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:24 am

    Judypc,

    You didn’t acknowledge Step 1 yesterday so you have a make up day and now Step 2 as well.

    1. We admitted we were powerless over Blogging—that our lives had become
    unmanageable.

    2. Came to believe that a Power greater than Blogging could restore us to
    sanity.

  904. RS said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Reasons this has not come out before now…

    A…the lady was embarrassed she had dealings with a married man who was supposed to be looking for his granddaughter….though being told she was dead from accident, if true, would lessen her awkwardness of hanging with him, and she would feel sympathetic for his loss…assuming she believed him…..

    B….the lady said why she did not come out, claimed she would not if not for OCSO or some LE agency knocking on her door weeks ago, not she their door, but them her door.

    C….it is not new news to LE..it is part of some other investigation, hence no releases of LE docs or reports as the investigation is still ongoing…so not out there as a result of that.

    And I’m sure a few other reasons I’m not thinking of, not the least of which is it would be all over the news if she did come forward and she would have to deal with that…so she did only as she claimed she did, only after LE came to her first….knowing it would hit the media as a result so she came out with her story….

  905. Myrtle Beach said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:33 am

    I understood that Cindy was 22 when she married Geo and that he was already or going through his divorce when they met. Of course, it really doesn’t matter in the big picture, but I don’t think she was prepared for someone with George’s already formed peculiarities when she first took him on. Little did he know that he had a bloomin’ Cruella on his hands either. Somehow, they forged ahead – each man for himself unless it benefited him or her to unite for whatever the situation at hand – they fed off each other. ewwwwww.

  906. judypc said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:34 am

    lol Nic.

    Well gosh, does that mean I do not get my brass coin?

    But lets see if I can regain myself.

    House cleaned (Check)
    Laundry done (check)
    Yard work done (check)

  907. Myrtle Beach said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:40 am

    No Nic,
    I must confess to all of the above conditions that would identify me as an Anthony-obsessed blogger as well – not to mention that I can only break away when the cat boxes become unbearable. May I attend the next meeting, please?

  908. No Nic said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:40 am

    Judy,

    No coin till you have been in the program for 30 days. The way this case is going we will be going through the 12 steps over and over, again and again and again. Good start though. :wink:

  909. Myrtle Beach said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:42 am

    good work, judypc! i’ve learned that (1) Casey most assuredly killed Caylee and (2) coffee grounds do not work well for cat litter, so I had to shower, dress and go to PetSmart.

  910. Thinker Belle said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:42 am

    No Nic…are you Canadian?

  911. No Nic said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:42 am

    All are welcome Myrt but take out the garbage first. Peeeeuuuuuu. :lol:

  912. Hazaka said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:45 am

    Thinker Belle —- I wonder … if No Nic is a glamerous, hot woman in her “younger years” from the big apple!! :-)

  913. No Nic said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:46 am

    TB,

    100% American bred and born.

  914. No Nic said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Haz,

    If you haven’t figured out my gender by now, I have serious doubts about your deductive perception. :wink:

  915. Hazaka said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:50 am

    No Nic …… you offer yourself as male….. but …… something nags at me that you’re more estrogen then testosterone… oh well ….. you’re sweet tho’!

  916. Thinker Belle said, on March 16, 2010 at 10:07 am

    Just wondering…it was like an AA meeting was taking place. I wanted out.

  917. No Nic said, on March 16, 2010 at 10:09 am

    Haz, I can assure you that I have a hell of a lot more testosterone than estrogen and I would be one ugly broad if I didn’t. Sweet isn’t how I would define myself but thanks anyway. Now back on topic. I still think this Skye story doesn’t have any wheels on it.

  918. Hazaka said, on March 16, 2010 at 10:14 am

    me neither!

  919. Thinker Belle said, on March 16, 2010 at 10:17 am

    No Nic…it’s not about how high is the sky, but, how deep are the waters.

  920. nom de plume said, on March 16, 2010 at 10:21 am

    I guess I have permission to blog now. You could eat off my kitchen floor. (Not because it is clean; because there is so much food on it)

    Back to Georgie Porgie pudding n’ pie kissed the girls and made them cry. Maybe Judypc can help me out here. Once on a blog long ago, there was a blogger who called himself the brother of Georgie’s first wife. He said GA was a horrible person, gambling ruined their marriage, but I can’t remember all he said. I am thinking he was abusive, but don’t want to start rumors. Judy?

  921. judypc said, on March 16, 2010 at 10:35 am

    nom de plume:

    Yes there was a man who very early on said he was the once Bro. in law and yes he was not kind in his words in regard to George.

    However; I do not think he was ever proven to be real, he went so far as to post a marriage lic, and a phone number to call his sister,but as I recall someone debunked it as not “OUR” Georgie boy.

    After that he pretty much went away and was never heard from again.
    So I believe that was all placed in file 13 as just one of many with a loose screw.

  922. nom de plume said, on March 16, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Thanks Judy for your great memory!

  923. judypc said, on March 16, 2010 at 10:40 am

    nom de plume:
    here ya go, this was his statement.

    “My sister terri was married to George Anthony during the mid to late 70’s. They dated all through high school and married for about 5 years, of not so wonderful wedding bliss.
    She can tell you that George Anthony was an habitual liar. He had to always fabricate his stories, constantly lying, that was the main reason they divorced.
    George’s father Lee, owned and operated a very successful used car dealership for many years in Niles, Ohio, called Anthony’s Auto Sales, before retiring to Florida.
    I wonder were George learned to lie so well. He was born in to it, litterally.
    As they say, “Like father, like daughter.”
    Give my sister a call and she’ll enlighten you of George Anthony’s dark, deceitful side evidently passed on to his daughter.
    Her name now is Terri Vandervault, living in Niles, Ohio”

  924. Myrtle Beach said, on March 16, 2010 at 10:41 am

    My French and Italian ancestors immigrated to the US via Canada, does that expedite my application or do I keep up with KP in between mashing on my F5 key (refresh)?

    I’ve read an account of George’s sister being diagnosed as bi-polar and while I can’t recall the exact source of the quote (seems like another family member), I do recall that I accepted it as credible. Seems as though it was/is an interview or statement given by George’s brother-in-law (sister’s husband) of an account that they are Ohio residents, have one or two car dealerships and generally addressing G&C exodus to Florida back in the day. At the time, I was researching the story of George supposedly putting his dad through a plate glass window.

  925. judypc said, on March 16, 2010 at 10:46 am

    you can find a copy of the marriage lic here Nom.

    http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2008/09/21/george-anthonyan-ex-wife/

  926. judypc said, on March 16, 2010 at 10:52 am

    Myrtle Beach:
    The info about the bi-polar sister and the statement that Casey has it to came from Cindys mom, in her emails that were released.

    The George tossing his dad out the window came from Cindy’s Bro Rick.

  927. Myrtle Beach said, on March 16, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Thanks, Judy. I’m going for a dive to find the car dealer guys’ info. I think I found it in a Hamilton, Ohio news article. If I don’t surface in a few days, everyone continue to carry on.

  928. No Nic said, on March 16, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Hazaka,

    ME NIETHER?

  929. nom de plume said, on March 16, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Thanks Judy.

    On the Hinky Meter, someone has posted rap sheets on the mistress and family. I think they still have more class than the Anthonys.

  930. GiannaD said, on March 16, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Hi All. I’m new to posting but not to following along/lurking. :) I had a question about something I noticed in the above-linked jail conversation between LA and KC. LA asked KC if anyone outside of ZANNY, Juliet and Jeff knew she was looking for Caylee:

    “LEE ANTHONY: I got you. Would you have had her or anybody’s information, even this — even Jeff (ph) that’s introduced you, or Juliet (ph), that also, you know — or correct me. Is there anybody else that knew you were searching for Caylee?

    CASEY ANTHONY: Outside of them, no.

    LEE ANTHONY: OK. Outside of Zanny (ph), Jeff and Juliet, nobody else knew, correct?

    CASEY ANTHONY: I hadn’t talked to anyone else about it, no.”

    Question — Had KCs story changed? I mean, I know she told several versions of the “abduction” by the nanny, but: Did she prior to this convo with LA claim that someone other than Zanny had taken Caylee, or something else happened to her other than being taken by the nanny?

    Because I don’t understand why, in this conversation with her brother, after supposedly telling him in her bedroom shortly after CA’s 911 call that the nanny took her, that at this point/time she and he are saying that ZANNY and the two others knew she was SEARCHING for Caylee. Doesn’t make sense…..

  931. amazed said, on March 16, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    After seeing these pictures of the “mistress”, I am thinking that would account for somem of Cind’ys unbriddled derision towards ZG in the Morgan depos. These two women sure do resemble each othr. Not even a ten between the two of them, but that might explain Cindy’s need for the personal attack on ZG re her looks.

    Saw the re-runs of the videos on NG last night, and it still just jumps right out at you how they stumble around the topic they should be discussing with half sentences, half thoughts and lies. I cannot imagine anyone in their right mind sitting there in jail, knowing what they smelled in the car their daughter was driving around in, knowing that the child was unaccounted for, not asking THAT question. These people are spin masters. If it mars their appearance, pretend it does not exist. My boyfriend is like that with his kids . They are perfect. No matter what, the appearance must be that they are perfect. His son stole parts from a jobsite. Had them in his locked trunk, it was reported by someone who saw him do it., He went to court, was convicted, and is now carrying a felony on his record, but SODDI. Some people are incapable of thinking that their kids can do any wrong.

  932. Karen C. said, on March 16, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    GiannaD- Reading that again, especially the beginning, it does sound as though Lee is more concerned with establishing his sister’s concern with the “search for Caylee” (for the benefit of the camera!) than anything else. He obviously was not quite in the loop or had forgotten the script!

  933. Myrtle Beach said, on March 16, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Heeey Karen C ~ nice to see you.

    Judypc – here’s what I’ve retrieved from my dumpster dive today. I know you probably know this backward and forward, but I need a purpose, too. I gained a GREAT DEAL from reviewing the Great Aunt’s emails to Grandma P.

    Grandma Shirley’s sister’s emails begin at page 8 – are not in chronological sequence: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811544/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-013

    August 1, 2008: http://www.tribtoday.com/page/content.detail/id/508668.html

    http://www.tribtoday.com/page/content.detail/id/514942.html

  934. Heroesfan said, on March 16, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Trials & Tribulations
    Sprocket & Company In Depth, True Crime Reporting
    March 15, 2010

    Casey Anthony’s Battle With Texas Equusearch

    UPDATE!

    After publishing the original version of the article, I unearthed one more document, dated March 10, 2010. It is a response by Mr. Nejame.

    Things are popping like crazy in the Casey Anthony case. Friday, WFTV’s Kathi Belich broke news about an affair between George Anthony & one of the women who originally volunteered with KidFinders.

    Last night there was a fascinating blog cast featuring Richard Hornsby & Rozzi Franco hosted by Steff Watts. We are all waiting for the other shoe Ms. Belich reported will be dropped.

    full story:
    http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/
    ***************
    Good article, Nejames has had it with Baez.

  935. Karen C. said, on March 16, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Good to “see” you, too!

    I have to go to work, but will check these out…

  936. Heroesfan said, on March 16, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    Bombshell tonight, Nancy Grace is talking about Caylee, 2nd night in a row! About George’s alleged affair.

  937. frankie said, on March 16, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    I hope with all my black little heart that Nejames has had it with baez….He will tear him a new…………………………………

  938. frankie said, on March 16, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    HA HA…yep get him Count!!!!

    10… The Defendant, through her counsel, is unnecessarily wasting this Honorable Court’s time, the taxpayer’s money and the undersigned’s resources by filling these frivolous motions.

    …However, it is counsel for Defendant who has frustrated and circumvented these efforts, while attempting to shirk his responsibilities and blame others for his inaction…

    …TES respectfully asks this Honorable Court to assess attorney’s fees against the counsel for the Defendant, especially since he has been advised of the inaccuracy of the defendant’s motion and has failed to take any remedial actions.

  939. frankie said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    How did george and River get close at the searches? george never searched!

  940. frankie said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Nancy disGrace better get off my man Bill!!!!!

  941. frankie said, on March 16, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    I really think the anthonys are laying low because they KNOW the gig is up. I think we will see them tell what they know soon or at least at trial. They know they are going down with casey if they don’t. JMHO and my fondest hope!

  942. BEES KNEES said, on March 16, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    Well that seals it for me. Seriously, if Bill Sheaffer believes the affair, that’s really all I need to hear. BUT . . . it’s bugging me that it’s taking the focus away from this coming Thursday. I feel if we’re all caught up in this that the defense will see it as some kind of victory because we’re being distracted from the VERY IMPORTANT money issues.

    Heroes, wow, can I relate!!! I hate how much I hate the Anthonys, too. And I resent them for having the power to make me feel that way.

  943. frankie said, on March 16, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    Bees: I think LE may be thinking of charges against the anthonys! At least I hope that they are. If george made that statement a month before they found Caylee….he has serious legal issues. I think that is why they are laying low…strange that we haven’t heard anything from them.

    I trust that JS will take care of the money issues. LOL That gig may be up as well

    Tic Toc Tic Toc Tic Toc Tic Toc

  944. BEES KNEES said, on March 16, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    HA HA HA ~ Tic Toc, indeed!!!!

    I’ve read quite a few predictions lately saying that LE is looking really closely at George and Cindy still which is rather intriguing, non? I wonder how much worse this is going to get? And I wonder what level they are involved at to warrant so much time spent on? Sometimes it makes my head ache.

    Frankie, I saw NG offering to give Bill a bit of a hard time! She should give her head a great big hard shake. She’s damned lucky he’ll go on her tabloid news show and add some class to it.

  945. mchl454 said, on March 17, 2010 at 1:01 am

    Bees, do not worry about the focus being pulled from Thursdays hearing, the judge will handle that. Doesn’t matter where anyone elses attention is, his will be on that issue alone

  946. PosterFormerlyKnownAsPrince said, on March 17, 2010 at 1:07 am

    Glad Judge S has that covered, because my attention will be on watching how JB & KC look at George, and watching for scripted PDA between Cindy & George.

    I wonder if he’ll get a big ole’ hug from Andrea this time around?

    It won’t have a thing to do with the affair either – they all know that many charges are heading the A’s way. The kind of charges that might finally force their Spawn to plea.

  947. judypc said, on March 17, 2010 at 8:42 am

    IMO “IF” LE had arrested this bunch of yahoo’s a year ago the truth would have been told and this mess would have been over.
    They would have started spilling their guts damn skippy.

    But LE & the media treated them like royality, I fear now it is too late to bring them to justice.

    If LE has something on George then ACT on it arrest him, get this dog and pony show over with.

    Can’t speak for the rest of the world but I think most here in Florida are sick of the Anthony’s, sick of the lies, and sick of them being treated with Kidd Gloves.

  948. amazed said, on March 17, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Personally, the way this case has been treated by the legal system in Florida, has a lot of us scratching their heads. Maybe it is like this everywhere, but with the Sunshine Laws in Fla., everything is out in the open, and it’s been quite an education. It is unbelievable to probably most people, the things that a defense is allowed to do to protect a defendant. It is pathetic to see the victim of the crime lost in the games that are played to protect the guilty party. Understood is the fact that Casey has yet to get her day in court, but anyone with a brasin knows who did this. Double sickening is the grandparents of the murder victim, lying and scheming to get the guilty party off. Watching the side show this has become, seeing no one seemily taking control of the situation, seeing the grifting, panhandling what have you by the cretean grandparents, is offensive to anyone with a soul or conscience, neither of which the Anthonys were gifted with. A simple gag order in the beginning would have eliminated half this crap. A law on the books prohibiting anyone in the family of an accused killer to reap a profit off the death of that victim would have put a stop to a lot of this crap. Arresting the people who blatantly lied in thir depositions would send out a strong message to anyone contemplating the behavior of these two pathetic human beings . I hope Judge Strickland takes control of this situation soon.

  949. Heroesfan said, on March 17, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    It would be kind of cool if The National Enquirer paid River Cruz a bunch of $$$ for the disgusting photo of George in the buff. WTH, we know the Anthony’s have made buckets of blood money of Caylee’s death, why not the mistress. At this point sqince law enforcement isn’t doing a damn thing to stop the Anthony’s lies, obstructions, tamperings with evidence I’d settle feor them being humiliated as much as possible.

  950. Diana said, on March 17, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    I’d settle for that too *Heroesfan

    Just one problem………….The Anthonys can NOT be humiliated. They are not normal. I wish I could find the clip of Cindy at the very first bond hearing when Linda Drake was questioning her about her finances and making references to Casey being treated like a baby. Cindy was in true form………totally pi**ed off, but had to keep her composure.

    Does anyone know if Georges fake suicide attempt was around the time he was supposedly having his affair?

  951. Heroesfan said, on March 17, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Bees says-
    Heroes, wow, can I relate!!! I hate how much I hate the Anthonys, too. And I resent them for having the power to make me feel that way.

    *************
    Bees, could you go a week without Casey related news? It would be good to get this case off my mind for a few months. I try, but it keeps pulling me back in..lol..

  952. nom de plume said, on March 17, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Heroesfan – I would like to see that too!

    Diana – was that the same hearing where Cindy looked directly at Casey and said “there is no evidence”?

    Yes, the fake suicide was around the same time. In fact, Skye reported that Georgie called River to come to the room, she declined.

  953. frankie said, on March 17, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    I wish River would sell the pics! I don’t want to see them mind you, but that would be a few dollars the anthonys would NOT get! That would be nice. It wouldn’t be making money off Caylee…it would be making money of gigilo jojo and if River really slept with him…Goodness knows she deserves the money!!

  954. Heroesfan said, on March 17, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Diana said, on March 17, 2010 at 4:49 pm I’d settle for that too *Heroesfan
    Just one problem………….The Anthonys can NOT be humiliated.

    *************
    True, these life forms are not human. Pride & embarrassment are foreign to these foul creatures. It still might be oddly entertaining, further proof of lies.

    Maybe their future Alibi Media Tours won’t go as planned with the public knowing George was screwing around & taking ‘donations’ instead of looking for ‘a live Caylee’ because he knew she was dead.

    My wishful thinking…

  955. Heroesfan said, on March 17, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Diana, “Skye” said that George called River the night of the ‘suicide attempt’ while he was in the hotel room & asked her to come, she refused. I saw that on the interview Kathi Belich did with Skye.

  956. PosterFormerlyKnownAsPrince said, on March 17, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    So the sealed investigation is complete. Nice that they finished just the day before this indigence status hearing. I wonder what JB received for review today?

    Meanwhile, in other news, JB blamed the State for KC being indigent. Coinky-dink? Investigation complete and JB throws a hissy-fit about the prosecutors this afternoon.

  957. Heroesfan said, on March 17, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    I agree Frankie, I hope The National Equirer makes River an offer she can’t refuse. At this point I’ll take any justice for Caylee I can get. And making the cover-up agents for her killer look like the lying scum we know they are can’t be bad..

    Let River make $$$ off the gross naked pics..at least she’s not Caylee’s family. Everyone else has…especially the scum sucking grandparents, the one’s who should’nt are selling Caylee for the last drop of blood $$$ they can squeeze from her memories..bbl.

  958. Heroesfan said, on March 17, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    PosterFormerlyKnownAsPrince said
    So the sealed investigation is complete.

    *******************

    What does that mean?

  959. PosterFormerlyKnownAsPrince said, on March 17, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    It means that the State had to turn over their findings to JB either before, or at the same time as filing that notice to the Court. So JB now knows what they were investigating.

    And while it probably has nothing to do with Casey’s hearing tomorrow, JB is obviously going to pull out all stops to cast blame where it doesn’t belong, because he’s like a kid having a tantrum.

    It also means that this will be released to the public in the next few months, so we’ll know what it is all about. It is interesting that the investigators didn’t need the entire 30 days allowed to complete the investigation.

  960. Heroesfan said, on March 17, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    OK thanks PFNAP, there’s been so much stuff, sealed documents etc, I wasn’t sure. So you are talking about the evidence sealed for 30 days by the prosecution? If so..good to know..wonder what’s next? Is that the other shoe about to drop? I guess we’ll have to wait & see.

  961. Doug Wollenburg said, on March 17, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Ok, I got this mental snapshot of George that I can’t delete from my minds eye…George is layed out naked on satin sheets, in the classic pose, with a gas can in front of his groin and a roll of duct tape in his right hand and a laughing smile on his face…

    I just hope there’s not twelve or more pictures, cause a Gas-Can George Calender in every store/station/shop would be a nightmare…

    What’s next Dominic Casey’s pictures of a nude Cindy cleaning the house of clues???

  962. PosterFormerlyKnownAsPrince said, on March 17, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    LMAO! ^

    Oh, that was just pure, evil mean to share that with us. I don’t want to imagine, or see, nekkid anything of any of them. Even dressed, I have this phobia about George’s eyebrows.

  963. No Nic said, on March 17, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    ♣Happy St. Patrick’s Day♣

  964. Heroesfan said, on March 17, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Now I’m watching Nancy Grace & the National Enquirer story about George’s alleged affair already hit the supermarket checkout stands. So Skye lied on NG last night saying the story wasn’t sold?

    I take it all with a grain of salt unless “River” coughs up & publishes those pics of Georgette in the buff. Ewww.

  965. silverbullit said, on March 17, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Well, well, Nancy Grace just held up a cover of the National Enquirer—guess what story they’re covering this week?

  966. Heroesfan said, on March 17, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    Can you see Georgette’s photo in The Enquirer with his little bitty private parts blacked out, laying there like a gigilo all proud of himself?

    Another question, who took the photos on the cell phone if they exist & was he aware of it? If so he’s more of a dimwit than I imagined.

  967. New Puppy said, on March 17, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    I have been asking around, if there are pictures of River and George in the buff, who do you think took the pictures, and if the sisters had a hidden camera, wouldn’t that be a
    crime. Who took the pictures, if they exist?? George?

  968. Heroesfan said, on March 17, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    We both asked the same thing New Puppy, seems those pics would be in The Enquirer article.

  969. PosterFormerlyKnownAsPrince said, on March 17, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    I don’t much care one way or the other, but maybe NE approached the sisters and not the other way around? Maybe they gave NE the story without payment.

    Who knows. Doesn’t make it more relevant to Casey’s trial either way.

  970. New Puppy said, on March 17, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    So we did Heroesfan, I was too anxious, No one pays any attention to my asking on other blogs. I did just now hear on news, Enquirer does have something on this stew affair.
    Will watch it later. someone got some money. Since Skye seems to be doing all the talking, I’m sure she will get a portion. Is this going to lead to a law suit by George and Cindy against the Enquirer, you think?

  971. silverbullit said, on March 17, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    This could be interesting….I can see how the text messages to River could be faked, she could have followed George and had her picture made with him (its already been established his glow isn’t the brightest), what I’d like to see are the messages sent/received by his three phones and verification the racy pics exist and are unphotoshopped. Oh, and the entry/exit logs from their gated community.

  972. BEES KNEES said, on March 17, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Heroes, I have actually lately been able to stay away for about a week or two cause not much was happening until this affair story broke. I hope everybody forgets about the affair and concentrates on tomorrow though. I’m looking forward to it but I don’t imagine Strickland will make a ruling. I think he’ll hear from both sides and then possibly pick a date right then and there to address it further. I hope to be wrong about this.

  973. frankie said, on March 17, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    NE website is NOT showing anything about River or george. I don’t know if the page reflects todays stories or not…don’t usually go there. Has anyone seen the publication?

    I cannot believe this trashy bunch of nobodies could have set up KB and BS. Something is not right with this whole thing.

  974. Diana said, on March 17, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    I think anyone who has followed this case from the beginning already thinks George knew (and so did Cindy) when they got that car back and smelled decomposition that Caylee was never coming home. So…..for this woman to step forward with news of George knowing is really no surprise to me.

  975. judypc said, on March 17, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    frankie:

    That has been my thought since day one that this whole mess was a set-up.
    True, that I do not think this bunch knows too low, or too sleezy, this took the focus off of tomorrow,

    Even today when ask where the money came from, Jose’ got cocky, refused to answer and said it was not something he would tell, it’s Nobodies Business but his and Casey’s.
    Well, then the state should tell him to BITE Them, they will not fork over one thin dime.

    I can not say I am surprised by anything this bunch of freeloader, white trash, worthless excuss for human life forms has done or will continue to do until LE gets off their cans and finally lowers the boom.
    Which is looking less and less likely with each passing day.

  976. judypc said, on March 17, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    One other thing I have not seen addressed is.

    ABC was suppose to have given Casey or Jose $200.000.
    He has admitted to having spent $111,000 dollars.
    Where is the remaining $89.000?

    I mean is it in her jail snack account, thats a lot of pig skins don’t you think?

  977. ♣ No Nic ♣ said, on March 17, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    Judypc,

    Yes, it is a lot of pigskins but I do believe that those were or being spent as we speak. As I have said up-thread, this Defense is going to cost upwards of a million or more before it is all over and then there will be the automatic appeal which will add to it. I still don’t understand why everyone is so concerned with the 200K spent when that is a drop in the bucket compared to what it is going to cost. Remember, the cost for the Prosecution is solely on the back of the taxpayer as well. More $$$$$$ to add to the big picture.

    This is not unusual in Florida. We just don’t hear about it because this case is so high profile. I don’t recall hearing such an outcry when Ted Bundy was tried and executed about what it cost. I am sure it was as much or more. I still think that it is the repulsion that people feel for Casey and family is the reason everyone is so outraged over the cost.

  978. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 12:48 am

    Breaking News Casey Anthony: State’s secret information no longer needs to be secret
    Prosecutors are done with their investigation and report no need for delay in the release of details

    Crimes
    Casey Anthony
    Murder By Sarah Lundy, Orlando Sentinel

    5:21 p.m. EDT, March 17, 2010

    Prosecutors in the Casey Anthony case say the information they wanted kept secret —while they investigated — can now be released to the defense and the public, according to a one-page document filed this afternoon.
    ____________

    Ok, I’m starting to believe the 30 day sealed information has absolutely nothing to do with ‘PI Dominic Casey’ & everything to do with this stupid River Cruz affair crap. What a letdown, though it’s not the prosecutions job to please me or any bloggers most thought it would be more significant than a tawdry he said, she said..oh well…..

    So that freakin dirtbag Dom Casey is still off the hook, as well as the Anthonys, no one has yet been punished for their cover-up crimes & never will be. Why am I not that surprised…I give up…wake me when the trial is over..I’m sick of it.

  979. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 1:06 am

    WSH said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 06:03:22 } “This afternoon, Jose Baez told us that his client Casey Anthony would have had plenty of money to defend herself had the state not chosen to seek death,” WESH’s Bob Kealing reported.

    *********************

    More like- Casey Anthony would have had plenty of money to defend herself if Roy Kronk hadn’t screwed up her plans by finding Caylee’s body.

    You know the autopsy, those annoying, expensive DNA & forensic tests at the body farm. Baez never counted on THAT before December 11, 2008.

  980. ♣ No Nic ♣ said, on March 18, 2010 at 1:11 am

    Goodnight Sweathearts

  981. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 2:13 am

    I’m frustrated hearing comments of what kind of accident Caylee’s murder was being rehashed because of this supposed damn affair & what (Gigilo JoJo) told his lover that masculine chick River.

    This is exactly what Richard Hornsby was talking about, it’s the reaction the defense was counting on..what appears to be a useless he said she said affair to deflect attention from the importance of (indigent Casey)…

    If the affair has any importance & I’m to believe George said it was an accident snoballed out of control, show me PROOF as in photos, not from a public Caylee balloon gathering party but one that proves he was in River’s friggin home & they had sex, or STFU..it means nothing!!

    Where the large sums of freakin $$$ came from & went is very important! They want the focus everywhere but on the $$$$ & the dumb ass media & public are falling for their under handed cons…again.

  982. amazed said, on March 18, 2010 at 8:30 am

    It seems everyone has gone mad in Florida. I never heard of such crap. How can the police, SAO and everyone else on the right side of the law not be smarter than this band of scum? When When When is someone going to make anyone breaking the law inn this case accountable. Everyday I see Casey Anthony walking out of the court with a big smirk, a high five and a bag of money.

  983. Doug Wollenburg said, on March 18, 2010 at 9:08 am

    Mr. Sheaffer:

    If Casey does have extra income that comes in later from the sale of Caylee’s pictures wouldn’t that violate her application for Indigent Status?

    Question #3, the last question on the list asks…”Other kinds of income not on the list”…and Casey circled “No”. So if extra income is paid wouldn’t she be “A person who knowingly provides false information…commits a misdermeanor of the first degree”??

    Thank you for your time Sir.

  984. frankie said, on March 18, 2010 at 9:18 am

    I do not think the SA had any interest int he affair. They were looking at the “accident” statement. I think that is what the 30 day hold was about…trying to corroborate the information. There is so much attention to this case, that the public put more emphasis on this withheld information than the SA did. They needed time to see if that accident statement was true. Now they know and we will too soon.

    IMO the “accident” statement was crucial. If gigilo george did say that, the SA may have been considering charges or possibly removing the DP if the defense was going with accidental death.

  985. BEES KNEES said, on March 18, 2010 at 9:30 am

    I don’t know what to think. My head hurts.

  986. ∞ No Nic ∞ said, on March 18, 2010 at 9:34 am

    Bees,

    Too much Green Beer? ♣ ♣ ♣ :wink:

  987. craigatwftv said, on March 18, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Watch Casey Anthony hearing live here now: http://www.wftv.com/video/22875615/index.html

  988. Ina said, on March 18, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Thank you Craig , I just came in here to find out where to look and bingo :)

  989. ∞ No Nic ∞ said, on March 18, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Live Hearing Casey Anthony Indigence

    http://www.wesh.com/video/19525890/index.html

    Sorry Craig, I couldn’t find the live link from WFTV.

  990. Scotswoman said, on March 18, 2010 at 10:04 am

    Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 12:48 am

    If the affair has any importance & I’m to believe George said it was an accident snoballed out of control, show me PROOF as in photos, not from a public Caylee balloon gathering party but one that proves he was in River’s friggin home & they had sex, or STFU..it means nothing!!

    Where the large sums of freakin $$$ came from & went is very important! They want the focus everywhere but on the $$$$ & the dumb ass media & public are falling for their under handed cons…again.
    ———————

    I seriously doubt the defence orchestrated the outing of George’s mistress.

    I think the significance here is that the State persuaded this Judge that there was “good cause” to keep this woman’s identity secret if only temporarily and until they had questioned her and evaluated any information she had. That strongly suggests to me that there is an active investigation going on where the focus is George, Cindy and possibly Lee Anthony.

    Today’s hearing should start the process of making public the money trail. The JAC will be represented and I imagine JS will question Casey Anthony directly. Baez will have to reveal ALL if he wants money from the public purse.

    Here’s hoping JS does not acquiesse to an “in camera” question and answer session……. Im sure that’s how Baez would like the proceedings to go…..

  991. Ina said, on March 18, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Is that chaos in the courtroom normal?

  992. ∞ No Nic ∞ said, on March 18, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Nothing is normal when Baez is involved.

  993. Ina said, on March 18, 2010 at 11:33 am

    So they got 15 days to come up with paperwork where the money went?

  994. BEES KNEES said, on March 18, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Maybe not enough of the green beer. Mmmmmmm . . . LOL!

  995. judypc said, on March 18, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Well… was anyone else NOT impressed today?

    Jeeze talk about you’re train wrecks.

  996. Doug Wollenburg said, on March 18, 2010 at 11:45 am

    $200,000.00 from ABC
    $5,000.00 from someone?
    And the mistress just said she gave $5,000.00 to George…

    Let’s see, Casey hasn’t worked for 4-5 years, yet she raised appox $345,000.00. Wow!
    It pays to be indigent…

  997. BEES KNEES said, on March 18, 2010 at 11:49 am

    Did you hear the talk about “the secret” right near the end? It seems like it doesn’t have anything to do with George’s affair after all, because whatever IT is has not yet been revealed they said . . . so, I still say Dominic Casey.

  998. BEES KNEES said, on March 18, 2010 at 11:50 am

    You’re right, judy. A complete mess!

  999. PosterFormerlyKnownAsPrince said, on March 18, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Bees – check Sentinel – article already up. KC wrote letters to a jail-house pal. CourtTV already got their hands on the unsealed motion.

    Too frikkin funny. Missed the whole hearing, but got home in time for that.

    p.s. Myrtle was wrong – not SS. PH

  1000. RS said, on March 18, 2010 at 11:58 am

    200K ABC

    5 K donor

    70 K from Macaluso

    Total 275 K

    and no way did they account for that today….

    I’d say it is going to get ugly for Baez and cadre where these moneys in and out are concerned.

  1001. BEES KNEES said, on March 18, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Oh, Craaaaaaaaaaig? YOO-HOO!!! Already we are up past 1000 comments on this page and the case seem to be heating up again, so the blogging world should be humming along at a quick rate thanks to today’s technology.

    Question: Are you able to just add a page to this thread? It doesn’t have to be a new issue or new comment from Bill. It would just be like ~ Page Two ~ of this same topic. Do you know what I mean? Jellybean? The only one I can think of to use as an example is the way Blink has hers set up with as many pages as she needs in response to one of her articles. (You could reward our good behaviour of late with a nice fast page two.)

  1002. BEES KNEES said, on March 18, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    PFKAP, thanks for the tip. Off to take a look.

  1003. ∞ No Nic ∞ said, on March 18, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    Craig, do I have a post in the Spam Filter?

  1004. judypc said, on March 18, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    No Nic

    My outrage is not a result of the cost of the trial, I understand her right to a fair trial and the right to put on a vigorous defense.

    My outrage stems from a defense that believes they can run roughshod over the law, as Bill said they want their cake and the eating of it too.

    To ask for public funds carries with it certain liability’s, and they must indeed answer to the ones paying the bills.

    Now, imagine for one moment if you were arrested and went before the court and said “You’re Honor, I am indigent I can not afford an attorney.
    And the court say’s Okay Mr. Nic, the court will appoint one for you, you then say to the court
    “Thank You Judge I want Andrea Lyons & Chaney Mason, I also want Linda Kenny Badan.”

    Do you think for one second you’re request would be granted?

    Then as the court is going over you’re finances, they find that you had available for you’re use $275.000.00.
    What would your chances be then of being declared by the court indigent?

    As proven today in court Florida does have lawyers fully capable of taking this case to trial, Mr. Mason shows that attorneys’ from N.Y. & Ca. are an expense that is to say the least somewhat questionable in regard to the State paying the bills.

    And I am sorry, I do not believe there was anything near full disclosure of the funds already taken in, nor the ones in the future.

    Today we learned Jose’ has had 275.000 + Lyons through donations has had another 90.000.
    that’s 365.000.00, all sources I have found report the double murder of O.J. cost around this figure.

    My annoyance, my resentment is this, no other client in Florida could walk into a courtroom today and have at their avail this defense.
    And until each and every person can have it, why should this one?

    If you turned the tables and Casey had been a poor gal from the projects I promise you this case would have already been tried, and she would have already been in prison for 2 years.

    So, yes I am pissed, but not only at the defense, the state is as well on my list.

  1005. ∞ No Nic ∞ said, on March 18, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Poster,

    CourtTV is going to replay the hearing in approximately an hour PDT. It might be on now in another time zone.

  1006. PosterFormerlyKnownAsPrince said, on March 18, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Watching it now on WFTV links. Thanks.

    I’m up to the JAC audio fiasco so far.

  1007. ∞ No Nic ∞ said, on March 18, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    [quote]
    My outrage is not a result of the cost of the trial, I understand her right to a fair trial and the right to put on a vigorous defense. Agreed

    My outrage stems from a defense that believes they can run roughshod over the law, as Bill said they want their cake and the eating of it too. Agreed

    To ask for public funds carries with it certain liability’s, and they must indeed answer to the ones paying the bills. Agreed

    Now, imagine for one moment if you were arrested and went before the court and said “You’re Honor, I am indigent I can not afford an attorney.
    And the court say’s Okay Mr. Nic, the court will appoint one for you, you then say to the court
    “Thank You Judge I want Andrea Lyons & Chaney Mason, I also want Linda Kenny Badan.” Agreed but that is not what happened here. You can’t unring that bell

    Do you think for one second you’re request would be granted? NO

    Then as the court is going over you’re finances, they find that you had available for you’re use $275.000.00.
    What would your chances be then of being declared by the court indigent? Chances are good since the money had already been expended as testified to today.

    As proven today in court Florida does have lawyers fully capable of taking this case to trial, Mr. Mason shows that attorneys’ from N.Y. & Ca. are an expense that is to say the least somewhat questionable in regard to the State paying the bills. What difference does it make now if they are working pro bono.

    And I am sorry, I do not believe there was anything near full disclosure of the funds already taken in, nor the ones in the future. Agreed

    Today we learned Jose’ has had 275.000 + Lyons through donations has had another 90.000.
    that’s 365.000.00, all sources I have found report the double murder of O.J. cost around this figure. That is not the math I heard today but if you say so, OK. However, the cost of the OJ Defense was $3,000,000.00 not $375,000.00

    My annoyance, my resentment is this, no other client in Florida could walk into a courtroom today and have at their avail this defense. Agreed

    And until each and every person can have it, why should this one? Explained above.

    If you turned the tables and Casey had been a poor gal from the projects I promise you this case would have already been tried, and she would have already been in prison for 2 years. Agreed

    So, yes I am pissed, but not only at the defense, the state is as well on my list. And so am I Judy and as you I am pissed not only at the State, I am pissed at Judge Strickland for letting this freak show languish in his court.

    Do you still like me Judy? ♥♥♥

  1008. Doug Wollenburg said, on March 18, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    $200,000 ABC
    $5,000 Donor
    $70,000 Macaluso
    $70,000 Lyons Clinic + Casey’s payment
    ________________________________
    $345,000

  1009. judypc said, on March 18, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    No Nic.
    lol gosh we are gonna need a meeting sooooon.

    I understood Lyons said 90 thousand from her donations, but with all the blinking out and talking over one another, and me mouthing off at the TV :smile: I could need corrected……..

  1010. Doug Wollenburg said, on March 18, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Lyons stated the $70,000 included Casey’s $22,000.

    All that money from the killing of a baby…

    ABC should be ashamed of themselves…

    I wonder if this is the first time Cindy heard how much Casey made off of offing her baby??

  1011. judypc said, on March 18, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Why on earth would they NOT test the sound system BEFORE the start of court?

    I mean really, if you are having an important meeting, don’t you check to make sure the Eq is working?

    EGADS someone buy these people a clue.

  1012. judypc said, on March 18, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Doug,
    I would like to see if deals have been made and the money is in oh I don’t know… someone else’s account, like maybe Lee, or a mothers maiden name…..

    Just call me a bit jaded where these people are concerned but I do not believe a thing that comes out of their lying mouths.

  1013. judypc said, on March 18, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Now, what about these 50 some odd letters Casey wrote to a jail pals ?

    Do we really think she is stupid enough to say anything that could be used against her?

    And do you have an image of Jose’s head spinning at this news?

  1014. judypc said, on March 18, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Okay NIC I need a meeting NOW!!!!!!!

    70 K from Macaluso does no one else find this odd?

    Could deals have been made and monies paid to him and now that he is “off” the case they will not be looking at him, just a crazy thought I am having here….

  1015. sterling1462 said, on March 18, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    (e) Financial Assistance to Client.

    A lawyer shall not provide financial assistance to a client in connection with pending or contemplated litigation, except that:

    (1) a lawyer may advance court costs and expenses of litigation, the repayment of which may be contingent on the outcome of the matter; and

    (2) a lawyer representing an indigent client may pay court costs and expenses of litigation on behalf of the client. —————-
    TM did not pay an expense he Donated money to the defense while a atty on the case….and does not expect repayment…….. Baez testified to this!
    Casey was not indegent at time that Baez accepted the money.

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/ethics/fl/code/FL_CODE.HTM

  1016. ∞ No Nic ∞ said, on March 18, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    @Judypc
    “Okay NIC I need a meeting NOW!!!!!!!”

    Here ya go. Today I will moderate the meeting. Today we are on Step 3.

    3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of No Nic as we understand Him.

    Blogaholism will cross up your synapses to the point you will not know whether you’re coming or going. Try to get more than three hours sleep per night and duct tape your hands to your chair and watch two hours of Dr. Phil re-runs. This concludes today’s meeting.

  1017. amazed said, on March 18, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    It’s amusing watching the never employed felon thief sitting there acting like she actually did something besides murder someone and sell her picture to pay these clowns. And no I do not like the arrogant Mr. Mason. I hope anyone on the jury will find him as abrasive as I do. They must have some hugh rocks in Fl. cause vvermin keep crawling out from under them.

  1018. testme said, on March 18, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    amazed, I so agree. I’m still just amazed how everything went today. and was astonished at the TM “mexico boys” donation. where in the heck did he get that money, his clients he took funds from?

  1019. BEES KNEES said, on March 18, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Does this latest goof have a big reputation in the States? Like Lyon, Macalosa etc. . .

  1020. ∞ No Nic ∞ said, on March 18, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Bees,

    J. Cheney Mason is no slouch nor a goof.

    http://www.jcheneymason.com/new_page_8.htm

  1021. Doug Wollenburg said, on March 18, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Anyone notice:

    Casey constantly rubbing her hands and looking at them, if she’s this worried at a Hearing she won’t have any hands left by the trial…

    Cindy had her back or at the very least her right shoulder turned away from George and she barely spoke to him…

    During the break, while the Defense Attorneys worked out their story, George got up and started walking to the door and it looked like Cindy said something and he turned right around and went back and sat down…

  1022. BEES KNEES said, on March 18, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    WOW. Thanks for that, No Nic. I had no idea. I found him to be rude and abrasive imo, a couple of times interrupting Strickland or admonishing him. I’ve been reading a few blogs and so far it seems like the majority of them are coming to the same conclusions that I have. I’m very curious about how juries respond to him.

  1023. amazed said, on March 18, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    @ testme, agreed, what is in it for Maccalusso is my question. I don’t buy the overwrought with grief garbage as his excuse for stealing clients monies. Then he DONATES 70 grand to a murderer? ( I know, accused murderer) Something funny there.

    Knowing for weeks that this hearing was slated, the defense walks in yet again unprepared to present documentation. Again, not even a slap on the wrist. I hope there is something ironclad in the granting of indigency relating to any monies down the line for book deals etc.

    I also do not believe in any way shape or form that George Anthony ever attempted or was going to attempt suicide. Everything this family does is orchestrated for maximum impact when needed. For example, last hearing Casey with make up on to look appealing as she apologized for robbing her best friend blind, today Casey with no make up on to look drab and poor. Boo Hoo HOO.

    Can someone in this country PLEASE change the laws to protect the victims more than the criminals. Maybe a mindboggling pay raise for the prosecutors would put defense attarneys on a path to a career switch!! That would at least even the playing field.

  1024. judypc said, on March 18, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Did anyone else notice when Jose was ask if he was the lead att. how he avoided a direct yes as his answer?
    “huh, well, huh, I guess for the record…..

    Wasn’t so sure of it seemed like to me.

  1025. judypc said, on March 18, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    amazed:

    I have never seen such a bunch of lug nuts in all my life, knowing they would be ask about the money, they come to court with empty pockets, egads and these are the BIG brains???

  1026. FRG said, on March 18, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    In my layperson opinion Cheney Mason was rude to Judge Strickland and also arrogant. What was that all about asking Judge Strickland to take his word, that’s a courtroom not a sports bar… it certainly didn’t suit well. So KC added a new arrogant lawyer huh??? I am sure he was hired to please Floridians, so far I am not impressed. But that’s just my opinion.
    Good luck on that.

  1027. ∞ No Nic ∞ said, on March 18, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    According to WFTV analyst, Bill Sheaffer,

    “This is a game changer. Cheney is a founding father of the Central Florida Criminal Defense Association. You do not come any larger than J. Cheney Mason.”
    Sheaffer went on to say,

    “J Cheney Mason absolutely believes he can win this case. I would liken this case to the OJ Simpson case.”

    Cheney came out swinging this morning stating,

    “I’ve been asked to join and I’m doing it pro bono. We’re just seeking confirmation of Ms. Anthony’s indigency and I don’t think that should be in question.”
    It’s rumored that the addition of Mason may indicate that Andrea Lyon will be exiting the case soon.

    http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2010/03/18/j-cheney-mason-casey-anthonys-newest-attorney/

  1028. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    “J Cheney Mason absolutely believes he can win this case. I would liken this case to the OJ Simpson case.”

    ________

    Good luck with that, he’s a rude, nasty old man another egotisitical member of Casey’s team. How did so many obnoxious lawyers find each other, sleazy lawyer radar? Sort of like the Anthonys & their ‘friends’.

    Everyone of the ‘dream team’ hopped on board for their 15 minutes of fame, thought they were sooo special & would miraculously convince everyone of Casey’s innocence with smokes & mirrors. It never happened!

    Same thing will happen with this abrasive clown. Mason will disappear into the background much like LKB, or Macaluso. Remember sleazy Todd’s big announcement, Casey is innocent & I have the proof! Feb 1st came & went & nothing from Todd cause he resigned do to is troubles in CA. But no one stepped forth with that proof, Feb 1st came & went.

    These unlikeable, delusional lawyers are living in a fantasy world if they believe 12 jurors will get past those 31 days!

  1029. judypc said, on March 18, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    FRG & Nic.

    I have to say I saw a change in the air the second he took control of the court room.

    Not so sure Lyon is the only one I see headed to the exit, or at least a back chair and told to set down and shut up.

    I think if Lyons stays on, she will not be around until the verdict, if the state gets the DP.
    And I do see this as a set back for the state.
    This law dog will not be a tame puppy, and he will not be making those silly motions that no one understands.

    This trial just changed BIG TIME.

  1030. RS said, on March 18, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    frg,

    He tried the same chummy approach and arrogance in Nowalk case at plea

    that judge seemed to play along with him…NOT Strickland…

    It is they are familiar with each other, and Mason appears he thinks it’s a good old boy club…but that stops at Strickland’s courtroom door..he was having none of it..

  1031. mixologist74 said, on March 18, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    I agree with the majority about Mason. As soon as he opened his mouth, I took an immediate dislike to his arrogance. I also wonder how a jury will receive him.

  1032. judypc said, on March 18, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Heroesfan:

    I would bet money that Lyon’s is the reason Mason was contacted and brought on board.
    In no way do I see him setting second chair to Jose’.

    Yes he is all the things you said, but he is ontop of his game.

    IMO I think there may be concern about Jose’ not only his ability, but that he may be asked to step down, I am not convinced he is free & clear just yet as to the way money has been handled, a Florida lawyer has to be on board as first chair.

    You know Jose’s ego took a huge hit today in court, as he was pretty much nothing more than a bag boy in the courtroom.
    He will be doing the goforing for Mr. Mason, go for this, go for that, he is pretty much a law clerk at this point I think.

  1033. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Didn’t ‘the ugly coping defense’ come from the ‘brilliant defense attorney’ Linda Kenney-Baden? She & Baez even tried it out during one of their Alibi Media tours. Yeah, that worked…pffft.

  1034. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Yes he is all the things you said, but he is ontop of his game.

    ********************

    Yeah, but so what. We can say the same of Linda KB, Macaluso, Lyons. Each if not respected, at least sucessful. So far they all fell flat on their faces & I predict Mason will do the same.

    Not one of them is a miracle worker & i9t wo0uld take squpernaturalp abilities to justify not repo0rting you8r daughter missing after 31 days. Not going to happen & oimo Mason tried to-o- hard & came off as a bully. Might have worked for him before, won’t work now or with Ju8dge Strickland.

  1035. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Typos above looks like another language, in a hurry but you get my drift…lol..sorry.

  1036. judypc said, on March 18, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    RS:

    I did enjoy Strictland’s “no we will do this in open court”

    I wish JUST once he would come into court in a BAD mood and leave with somebodies hindside in his teeth snarling and growling.
    His eyes red and glaring, steam coming from his ears, and his gavel inserted firmly in an undisclosed area of the defense’s body.

  1037. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    My (so what) was not meant as a sarcastic reply to you judypc, we’re on the same page. It’s directed at bumbling Baez & team, I guess I’m fed up with the whole sordid mess, but agree with most of your opinions.

  1038. ∞ No Nic ∞ said, on March 18, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    More from Bill Sheaffer:

    “You do not come any larger than J. Cheney Mason,” WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said. “He’s going after an acquittal, not just to get her off a death sentence.”

    Mason has 39 years of experience as a criminal defense lawyer and a largely winning record.

    “This is the most significant event for the defense since the discovery of Caylee’s body,” Sheaffer said.

    Mason was awarded the highest honor in the country in 2004 by National Criminal Defense Attorneys and has been successful in defending 50 first-degree murder cases.

    “He has a great deal of talent and a great deal of credibility,” Sheaffer said. “This is a game changer.”

    http://www.wftv.com/news/22876305/detail.html

    Mason also works pro bono for The Innocence Project headed by Barry C. Scheck & Peter J. Neufeld. You can’t be in better company than that. No matter what anyone thinks about Mr. Mason’s courtroom demeanor, as Bill said he is formidable and he is an advocate against the Death Penalty like Andrea Lyon.

    Whether anyone likes it or not this is going to make the prosecutions job a hell of a lot harder. I wouldn’t count on a May 2011 trial either.

  1039. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Judypc says- I did enjoy Strictland’s “no we will do this in open court”

    I wish JUST once he would come into court in a BAD mood and leave with somebodies hindside in his teeth snarling and growling.
    His eyes red and glaring, steam coming from his ears, and his gavel inserted firmly in an undisclosed area of the defense’s body.

    *******************************

    Exactly, maybe it’s not in his nature but I thought the same. I think the world of himo & the pressure is immense but I wish he was tougher.

  1040. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    I guess hearing Mason believes he’ll win the case pisses me off. But what else would we expect the newest member of the dream team to say?

    Mason’s got to come out swinging because he’s got a huge uphill battle & not one of them so far made one damn bit of difference in the public’s perception of Casey being a monster mom.

  1041. ∞ No Nic ∞ said, on March 18, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    The term Ugly Coping came from a case about a military widow who’d been accused of poisoning her Marine husband to death. Released from jail after it was determined that her husband had not been not poisoned, the woman had gone out on sexcapades and shopping sprees before she was formally accused of killing him. She’d funded her fun with her dead husband’s insurance money.

    A Columbia University behaviorist coined the term “ugly coping” to describe the actions of people who indulge in strange behavior as a way of grieving. This phrase was used by the military widow’s defense attorneys during her trial.

  1042. PosterFormerlyKnownAsPrince said, on March 18, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Agree entirely – this is the pivotal game-changer in this case.

    I think we’ll see much more professional defense representation, and much less of JB’s absurdity. However, I do not think that even Mason can pull off an acquittal in this case.

    Judy, I don’t think JB is even up for a law clerk spot in Mason’s eyes right now. I was thinking low-man in the mailroom.

  1043. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    NoNic, I meant it was LKB’s idea to use the ugly coping defense to excuse Casey’s behavior during those 31 days. Not where ugly coping originated from, I’m sure you’re correct, no argument here.

  1044. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    J. Cheny Mason might be a super duper well respected lawyer. But he’s defending a baby killer who if he has half a brain knows is guilty. Therefore it’s hard for me to seperate or put him on a pedestal above a Jose Baez or the other unethical members of Casey’s defense.

    Or for that matter her hideous murder cover-up parents & their lying scheming cohorts.

    I have no choice but to group them together as members of Casey’s team who will lie, steal, cheat, obstruct, tamper with, hinder to free a baby killer. Imo they are all scum.

  1045. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    “You do not come any larger than J. Cheney Mason,” WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said. “He’s going after an acquittal, not just to get her off a death sentence.”

    *****************

    Sorry, how’s he even begin to do that? An acquittal dream on, for that to happen all 12 jurors would have to be living under a rock, have amnesia, or planted by the defense. I’d love a potential stradegy for an aquittal by Mr. Sheaffer or any lawyer…let’s hear it.

  1046. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    Thursday, Mason said defense lawyer Jose Baez asked him to join the defense team and he agreed, just for the “fun” of it. WFTV asked him if he’s a “game changer.”

    http://www.wftv.com/news/22876305/detail.html

    ****************

    Seriously, did this man say he’s joing the team to defend Caylee Marie Anthony’s murderer for the (FUN OF IT) please tell me I misread?

    FUN OF IT?? Is that what Caylee’s murder is to these miscreants?…Another one who wants the limelight & can’t wait to free this odious creature Casey baby killer Anthony.

  1047. Myrtle Beach said, on March 18, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    PFKAP,

    Thanks – that’s good news (to me anyway). What is PH?

    Myrt

  1048. Power to the People said, on March 18, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    Flabbergasted that Mason Cheney, “Fun”! Well not particularly, hope all you astute bloggers do some research, cuz this guy has a tawdry record.

    Mason, tried to plant some evidence in one of his cases, something about plane tickets.
    Backfired…..thought his client would get an acquittal..instead got the DP.

  1049. ∞ No Nic ∞ said, on March 18, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Heroes,

    Yes, you did misread. He said he was defending this case “because it is fun” not for the fun of it. Semantics maybe but J. Chaney Mason is not to be trifled with. He has in spite of what you saw or read today a formidable courtroom demeanor. What you saw today might have been a bit of bluster but this was only a motion hearing. He made his presence known to the prosecution and I am sure they are not happy he has joined the team. You must remember that in the OJ trial the prosecution was outgunned and won an acquittal. Not that I agree with it but that is our Juris Prudence system and the best in the world.

    Remember, it is better for a guilty person to go free than 10 innocent go to prison. Mr. Mason needs no limelight, he has earned it by his record. He needs no publicity to make himself a living. He is ready to retire and has all he needs. Whether this becomes another arrow in his quiver or not, it will not tarnish his stellar record.

    You can call everyone associated with this case all the dirty names in your vocabulary but that will not change the facts. No matter what you think, Casey Anthony is afforded the same rights that you do and that is fact. You may not like it but that is the way it is. Let me ask you this; if Casey Anthony goes free, will it change your life in any way? If it does I would suggest that you need therapy for the anger that you feel. I suggested some things to you a couple days ago and you agreed however, it only lasted about an hour before you continued your rant. Personally I don’t think that it is healthy for you to have this much anger over something you cannot control. I worry about the things I CAN do something about, not the crap that I cannot. Maybe it is time for you to take a break and lose some of your anger because frankly it is getting redundant.

  1050. ∞ No Nic ∞ said, on March 18, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    Power,

    When you make an inflammatory statement like that, incumbent upon you to provide a link to prove what you are saying. Otherwise you are spreading rumor about someone who is not here to defend himself.

  1051. ∞ No Nic ∞ said, on March 18, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    Power, and btw, his name is J Cheney Mason and maybe you haven’t read what Bill Sheaffer our very well respected leader here said about Mr. Mason today. And if you were so astute you would have at least gotten his name right.

  1052. Power to the People said, on March 18, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2009-06-24/news/cheney_1_mason-serrano-college-of-law

    Dude NoNic:

    You need to chill. Don’t like taking orders.
    Well you should do your research, I never take anything for face value, rather a box of salt. Fun, is it?

  1053. Power to the People said, on March 18, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    geesh, no wonder people stop blogging here. we have a patrol in training. rotflmao

  1054. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    No Nic- it came from WFTV unless they misquoted him, which is possible…but this is what they say he said:

    Thursday, Mason said defense lawyer Jose Baez asked him to join the defense team and he agreed, just for the “fun” of it. WFTV asked him if he’s a “game changer.”

    http://www.wftv.com/news/22876305/detail.html

    ****************

  1055. ∞ No Nic ∞ said, on March 18, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    Power,

    You specifically stated in your comment that “Mason, tried to plant some evidence in one of his cases, something about plane tickets.” Nowhere in the link that you provided did I read that statement nor anything that even eluded to it. I will stand by my statement that you are spreading rumor to try and discredit a seasoned and well respected attorney. So he lost one. As they say ” you can’t win them all.” That being said, his extensive record of wins speaks for itself. I am sure you know that if you have been blogging long enough that it is blog etiquette to prove your claim. I didn’t give you an order, I made a suggestion to you and your link failed miserably.

  1056. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    I CHASTISE J. Cheney Mason for that inappropriate statement that he finds the murder case of Caylee FUN no matter how he said it.

    I’ll go even further, I can’t imagine in my wildest dreams such a offensive utterance coming from the mouth our respected Mr. Bill Sheaffer describing this trial as FUN in any way shape or form.

    That’s if Bill Sheaffer would defend this miscreant baby killer, which I don’t believe he would.

  1057. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    No Nic you incite more anger from more people on this blog than anyone…my anger..really..I’m fine..what about you? Tell you what you worry about yourself, I’m doing just fine.

  1058. Power to the People said, on March 18, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    http://www.floridacapitalcases.state.fl.us/Enewsletter/2008%20Articles%20Jan/13%20New%20trial%20in%20Orlando%20case.pdf

    Heroesfan this guy is full of himself. In effort to redeem myself,lol. the last link I will provide. Now, Nic go do your own research. Stop barking orders, off to my favorite
    blog site.

  1059. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    I find the word (FUN) to describe Caylee’s murder trial extremely offensive. But it doesn’t surprise me because as I keep learning birds of a feather…like minds seek each other…all that stuff.

    All the liars, con artists, cheats, scammers, criminals & sleazes are on Casey Anthony’s side in one way or another.

    Judging from Mason’s stupid, arrogant claim of wanting to (HAVE FUN) or joining FOR THE FUN OF IT proves he fits right in. How smart, media savvy can he be..really…to say such a thing?

  1060. ∞ No Nic ∞ said, on March 18, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Heroes,

    When the reporter asked him if he is going to retire, why did he take this case. His reply was “because it is fun” at 4:08 minutes into the video from his mouth to God’s ear. Yes, he was misquoted. And at the end of the video he said “This case is going to be fun to try, and we will walk out of here with Casey in arm. Stand by.” The writer of that article took his comment our of context. Nowhere in that interview did he say “for the fun of it.”

  1061. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    Power to the People said, on March 18, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    Heroesfan this guy is full of himself. In effort to redeem myself,lol. the last link I will provide. Now, Nic go do your own research. Stop barking orders, off to my favorite
    blog site.

    ************

    Hi, I know what you mean, me & No Nic were ok I thought. No Nic is really a good guy, but like a volcano, never know when he’ll erupt.

    I need a change of scenery too, maybe Hinky Meter or Blink since Sheaffer is honestly not active with his blog, at all. He does the minimum required of him by WFTV & can’t say I blame him.

    Mr. Sheaffer didn’t want this & has a full time practice & a full plate. He was also viscously attacked by another jealous blogger & a jealous lawyer when this blog was new, must have left a bad taste for blogging in general, he’s too nice & classy for such nonsense.

    But, I also read that info about J. Cheney Mason, or whatever the hell his name is..imo another sleazy member of her team who’ll fall flat on his face like the rest of them.

    Nothing more, nothing less. He ain’t Superman & even he couldn’t rescue this lying little skank from a guilty verdict.

  1062. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Thanks No Nic, I agree I’m redundant, seriously. I’ll go elsewhere & maybe the conversion among new people will stimulate me.

    Because it is getting to be boring here in general, especially with no input from Mr. Sheaffer & rudeness by some.

  1063. ∞ No Nic ∞ said, on March 18, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Power to the People said, on March 18, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    http://www.floridacapitalcases.state.fl.us/Enewsletter/2008%20Articles%20Jan/13%20New%20trial%20in%20Orlando%20case.pdf

    Heroesfan this guy is full of himself. In effort to redeem myself,lol. the last link I will provide. Now, Nic go do your own research. Stop barking orders, off to my favorite
    blog site.
    ====================

    Once again, you obfuscate and provide something that has nothing to do with the first claim you made nor shows Mr Mason in a bad light. As far as being full of myself, I deal in facts not rumor, innuendo, speculation and gossip. Btw was your nic dondi before because I don’t recall seeing your nic here before.

  1064. ∞ No Nic ∞ said, on March 18, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    Power to the People said, on March 18, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    geesh, no wonder people stop blogging here. we have a patrol in training. rotflmao

    ============

    I don’t patrol anything but I am allowed to respond to erroneous information and give my opinion. You may scroll on by if you do not like what I post.

  1065. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    OK one more question, NO Nic you can pass it by. What was up with Casey’s uncontrolled grinning, smiling, smirking today? It look like she had to stop herslef from the pure glee she felt at the attention.

    Like a kid who laughs in church she was about to bust out laughing. What in the hell does she think is going on? Some FUN GAME, like her new lawyer J Chaeny Mason?

  1066. Heroesfan said, on March 18, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    No Nic how do you know which one of Mason’s quotes were the ones misquoted? You don’t you just want to argue. I read he said he joined the team ‘for the fun of it’ quote, unquote. I believe it’s what this newest jack ass member of the duhfense said, he fits right in.

  1067. Diana said, on March 18, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    *Heroesfan

    I think the uncontrolled laughing from Casey is just because she is in the limelight and LOVES IT!! Baez needs to ream her for that behavior. Doesn’t she think that people look at her and wonder how she can laugh, when her daughter has just been murdered (even if anyone was to buy the nanny bs) it is still innappropriate and unbelievable……..unless she really is a cold hearted monster. I noticed Cindy yukking it up with someone as well while in court. Weird people.

  1068. craigatwftv said, on March 18, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    NO NIC and other responding to NO NIC… please stop this childish banter or there will be banning. Thank you everyone. What a wacky day in the case!

  1069. frankie said, on March 18, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    I also find it offensive that anyone would refer to the task at hand as any type of fun. For the fun of it or because it is fun makes no difference.. This is not a game. A tiny child lay rotting in a swamp while her mother, her murderer, had fun. I find mason and his courtroom antics obnoxious. I certainly hope that JS can hold his own against this blustering arsehole.

    We will all answer to a higher power eventually. I would say that mason and this entire tribe will have to look into the face of Jesus Christ and Caylee Anthony and account for their abominable behavior, but I hardly think they will ever meet.

  1070. judypc said, on March 18, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    Heroesfan:

    Every defense lawyer when ask will say, “Of Course we are going to win this”
    99.9 percent of a defense att. is self assurance, and ego, they have to bet the farm on their ability to connect with the jury, out wit the state, its a mean game of chess.

    After all who would hire him if he came out and said “YIKES, we don’t have a snowballs chance in H###?

    I think Mason’s rahh rahh was intended to rattle the State, his oh gosh you know I don’t need this case, just took it because looks like it’s gonn’a be an easy win.

    I haven’t given up on the states case, it just got a bit more tricky, they to me did not seem all that shaken, and unless I’m mistaken I have seen a pretty good bit of ego and self assurance there at the states table too, add to that I think the jury will be more inclined to connect with the state, Mr. Mason can not put a notch on his gun belt just yet.

  1071. Scotswoman said, on March 18, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    Have to say, I’m somewhat surprised at Bill Sheaffer’s OJ comparison.

    I see no similarity except for the intense media spotlight. That case was imo lost by a lazy, inept prosecution team, aided greatly by a careless forensic technician and the politics of whether a predominantly white judicial system could dole out justice to an iconic black man.

    And not withstanding……. a team of 11 lawyers who collectively probably did warrant the acccolade of a dream team. This crew are NOT of that calibre.

    The new guy may be supremely confident and have an impressive track record but I’m sure he cant walk on water.

    The evidence against Casey Anthony is the SAME as it was yesterday, before Mr Mason made his debut.

  1072. NosyParker said, on March 18, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    geesh, no wonder people stop blogging here. we have a patrol in training. rotflmao

    You’re quite right. If you read back you’d almost think it was Nonic’s blog. It ended up being 5 or 6 people conversing between themselves for the last few weeks.

    No Nic how do you know which one of Mason’s quotes were the ones misquoted? You don’t you just want to argue. I read he said he joined the team ‘for the fun of it’ quote, unquote. I believe it’s what this newest jack ass member of the duhfense said, he fits right in.

    Good question. What do you say No nickname?

    I agree. He fits right in with this scheme team.

  1073. silverbullit said, on March 18, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Judypc…agreed, welll said. Regardless of the blog’s feelings about Casey and her guilt or innocence, she still deserves a fair trial with a competent attorney. And I do personally feel she is guilty.

  1074. NosyParker said, on March 18, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Oops. I wish there was an edit feature here. I meant the world renowned and very sure of himself Mr. Cheney Mason. Has he never lost a case? After listening to him talk today, I’m curious.

  1075. frankie said, on March 18, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    I agree that everyone deserves an adequate defense. I don’t even object to casey getting one. What I find so disturbing is the “fun” factor. I also think baez and company should be paid the same as a public defender or else casey should get a PD. Her choice. I don’t think mason if inept, just obnoxious.

  1076. Diana said, on March 18, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    I think Mr. Cheney Mason has already had his glory days (he’s a has been) and now he reminds me of F.Lee Baily who inserted himself into the OJ trial, only to make a fool out of himself. I find him very theatrical and almost comical, if it weren’t for the seriousness of the case.

  1077. frankie said, on March 18, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Why would macaluso pay 70k to be allowed to sit on the defense? If there are no books or movie deals, why?

  1078. judypc said, on March 18, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    frankie:

    That was my 1st question when I heard he had given 70 thou.

    To say something about that is fishy is an understatement.

    And I am surprised NO ONE in court said hey back up… did you just say one of the lawyers gave?

    Would LOVE LOVE LOVE to hear Bills take on this

    HINT HINT POKE POKE NUDGE NUDGE CRAIG get on the bat phone…. 1 ringy dingy….2 ringy dingys……

  1079. BEES KNEES said, on March 18, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    So far it seems like they don’t realize once they’re in a courtroom with twelve jurors the focus is going to be on CAYLEE, and I’ll bet that’s going to be a lot tougher than they think. So far they have refused to deal with Caylee’s little ghost ~ it’s all about Casey. But come trial time, look out . . . Caylee’s going to be heard loud and clear. And what can Bossy or anyone else do when confronted with the ghost of a two-year-old angel? Suddenly it’s not hand-rubbing excitement and fun anymore, is it? He won’t be able to call Caylee “ignorant” like he did the defense today. He won’t be using the word “fun” as the jury contemplates Caylee’s duct-taped skull. Hopefully there’s still a wisp of hair on it. And the word “innocent” might just get stuck in their throats as the jurors study the photo of Mommy in the days following her daughter’s murder. They all make me sick, including Bossy. My prerogative, non?

  1080. NosyParker said, on March 18, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    Judge Strickland did look somewhat incredulous when that was brought up in court under oath by Mr. Baez. I just keep picturing this highly acclaimed and apparently well respected attorney skipping naked through the sand, holding hands with ? (who) on a Mexican beach after the delivery of a case of beer. Hey, what’s $70,000 to someone who can afford to spend $1,500 on a case of beer?

  1081. NosyParker said, on March 18, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    Five and a half cases of beer maybe?

  1082. judypc said, on March 18, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    NosyParker:

    All in all I was a raving fool by the end of court today, honestly IMHO his Honor should have taken a break told jose to get on the phone to his office and get someone damn skippy out the door with the files needed for court today.

    He then should have reemed him a new one in open court, for daring to show up with no accounting, after all that was the whole deal today the money, what they had, when they had it, what they did with it, where it came from, why they needed more.

    Whats the old saying, something like in God we trust, everyone else is suspect.
    When Mason ask his Honor you trust me don’t you?
    I would have liked to have seen his honor be a bit bolder and a bit more demanding.

    His one statement to defense that no we will do this in open court only went so far, then defense backed him up and in the end got their way, the records will be viewed in camera, so today really was not a win win, dare I say it was very close to a huge waste of the courts time and tax payer dollars.

    I know his Honor is a very well heeled even tempered man, and I have a feeling this defense will take every advantage of his good nature.

    To those of us waiting for something strong to hit the defense, I think we have a very long wait ahead of us.

  1083. NosyParker said, on March 18, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    I’m no legal eagle but I do have common sense and the ability to gain a rudimentary understanding of the laws of Florida just by reading.

    The Honourable Judge Strickland may be an even keeled man but he is no-one’s fool. Cheny Mason certainly did play the “old boys club” card today. Did it work? We’ll see.

  1084. judypc said, on March 18, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    NosyParker:

    I’m not so sure the good ol boy card played in his favor, I really think Judge Strickland is one of the good guys, and I think he is treading softly with the defense simply because he wants no wilds cards on the table that could later be overturned.

    I honestly like this Judge, and see his desire to be fair, I have a feeling he will be a stickler for the true letter of the law at trial.

    I wonder just how far he will be pushed, and I think once the trial starts and he must deal with these lawyers every day rather than small doses over the course of weeks may show him to be a bit more of a hand full than expected.

    I’m sure Mason has gone before him many times and prob knows when to step back, Jose’ never seemed to know when he was down to his last button and simply kept pushing.

    Sometimes the quiet ones fool you, his Honor may have a few sparks that just might surprise us.

  1085. NosyParker said, on March 18, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    I agree judypc.

  1086. NosyParker said, on March 19, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Scotswoman, I missed this the first time around. Brilliant and oh so true!!

    The new guy may be supremely confident and have an impressive track record but I’m sure he cant walk on water.

  1087. knight owl said, on March 19, 2010 at 1:04 am

    New attorney hotshot i am taking this case over and show you old boys and the Judge how this is done rude Mason is not a theat to the State as the State is working for justice for an innocent little girl named Caylee, and who has Caylee’s back and the States? God the highest of all power and he never loses.

  1088. NosyParker said, on March 19, 2010 at 1:24 am

    You know it’s weird. I’ve found myself being carried away with all of the BS. Trying to figure out who’s doing what or saying what. God have mercy. A 34 month old baby is dead. Her mother is the last one she was seen with. Her mother says she dropped her 34 month old baby off with a woman that doesn’t exist and when she went to pick her up they were gone so she went to her boyfriends house and they went to a video store and rented movies and one was about a kidnapped child. Really!!!!???? Is she that sick??!! Then she partied hardy for a month and never said that her 34 month old baby was missing until her mom did. She then had no choice.

    Well Mr. Cheney, good luck!!!

  1089. PosterFormerlyKnownAsPrince said, on March 19, 2010 at 2:19 am

    MYRT,

    Just this second figured out your SS reference. Had it confused with another SS that is the polar opposite and worthy of much respect. I understand your relief now. And share it.

    Ugh. Glad we cleared that up.
    —————————————————–

    I’m pleased that Mason has joined the defense team. Prior to this, the defense has been nothing short of a farce; which hasn’t really addressed jurors. Cheney won’t come out with a SODDI or ugly-coping ploy.

    Everything from here on in will be a battle Royale over the forensics. LBK hasn’t shown up for JB the past few months, but she was front & center to support Mason.

    Food for thought.

    We’ve exited the ‘junk science’ realm and entered the zone that might sway a logical thinker as opposed to an emotional thinker. The true natures of jurors are finally in play in the defense strategy.

    Game on.

  1090. Ina said, on March 19, 2010 at 3:26 am

    Goodmorning. So mr Mason will go for an acquittal says mr Sheaffer. I found this when I was looking for an explanation : “In the common law tradition, an acquittal formally certifies the innocence of the accused, as far as the criminal law is concerned. This is so even where the prosecution is abandoned nolle prosequi. Under the rules of double jeopardy and autrefois acquit, an acquittal operates to bar the retrial of the accused for the same offense, even if new evidence surfaces that further implicates the accused. The effect of an acquittal on criminal proceedings is the same whether it results from a jury verdict, or whether it results from the operation of some other rule that discharges the accused.”

    What does that all mean? How is mr Mason going to achieve this? He can only argue with the evidence the prosecution has come up with as Casey has no alibi I think? Is he a convincing person? Does he believe himself Casey is not guilty?

    May 2011, would that give the prosecution enough time to get all the evidence, as they only have one chance? It looks like a long time but I know by now that legall mills grind slowly.

    The fact Casey had contact with inmates by written notes and that is not allowed, I can’t imagine that it is important. Of course she would look for some contact. What will they do now: punish her for that??

  1091. Hazaka said, on March 19, 2010 at 7:22 am

    This for No Nic ——– when he appears ((((( ))))) I was not on yesterday …missed all the action ….but read the posts from yesterday — wow….. it’s astonishing that …… despite facts, certain people insists they KNOW THINGS they cannot possibly ….. it’s the old …. “don’t confuse me with the facts…. my mind is made up!”

  1092. not-a-blog-hog said, on March 19, 2010 at 7:33 am

    sorry nonic, dondi doesn’t comment here anymore..she got fed up by the bs and blogger monopoly.
    i don’t know if she is banned LOL she hasn’t tried to comment and she never sent a single email to Craig unlike the other run to mamas; that aint how she rolls.
    sometimes things are as simple as they appear..there are others who agree with her POV that Bill’s blog is not a private forum and diversity of posters would be an enormous breath of fresh air in this very stultifying closet.
    btw, that doesn’t mean returning with a new unfunny nic to resume punching an delusionary time card and ‘working’ overtime.
    maybe as another suggested, you are the one who needs to take a break?
    it looked to this poster as though Casey was saying the long fairwell to some members of her dreamteam who are moving on to greener pastures. Lyon seemed surprised by Casey’s emotional goodbye. it was a revealing moment illustrating the true nature of the attorney/client relationship.

  1093. FRG said, on March 19, 2010 at 8:05 am

    Good morning everybody!!!!
    Yes, Mr. Craig, what a wacky day it was yesterday!

    judypc @ 4:34 pm – I think Cheney Mason wanted to show off. As many people said, this case is about a murdered child that deserves justice and NOT a big game of EGOES. BTW because Mason is a Floridian doesn’t mean he will win this case. There is always a fine line between arrogance and self-confidence. This is just my layperson opinion.

    RS @ 4:36 pm – Yes, Judge Strickland put him in his place.

    I respect Mr. Sheaffer’s opinion about the new lawyer but his first impression on me was not good, of course it’s just my opinion.

  1094. amazed said, on March 19, 2010 at 8:32 am

    I wish the prosecutors would go back a bit in history and read the closing statements of Mr. Blackburn in the Jeffrey McDonald triple murder case in NC. It was totally an in your face reminder of the victims in this case. (Incidentally, he had high profile Bernie Segal as his attorney, and although it took many years, justice was finally served.) I have to believe that somewhere there is someone who still remembers that Caylee Anthony was brutally murdered by her mother. Instead, all you hear about are Casey Anthonys rights, I know there is one question that even Bill Sheaffer will never be able to answer for any of us, and that is how defense attorneys live with what they have done AFTER they get a child killer aquitted.

  1095. silverbullit said, on March 19, 2010 at 9:01 am

    The prosecution has been very quiet during all this pre-trial “Casey Rights” show, but remember the effect the one time Jeff Ashton had the stage? And at the trial the will have pictures, diagrams and expert witnesses—-no one will forget who Caylee was. If it was tough on Casey and the Anthony’s to listen to Caylee’s last few minutes–wait until he gives the same speech with a larger than life photo of little Caylee’s remains along side of Casey partying. The prosecution has had so much control and remained so quiet during this time, but I have a feeling they will be able to hold their own even against Mr. Mason and Ms. Lyon. How many pictures of Casey out searching will Mr. Mason be able to point to in the courtroom?

  1096. judypc said, on March 19, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Craig:

    Why do my post on the questions page always end up in the discarded file?

    Not sure what the problem is there ;-(

    If you could please forward this question to that page it would be a great favor.

    Bill:
    Is it not rather odd and an ethic’s problem for a setting member of the defense team to add $70.000.00 to the clients coffer?
    Now, that he is no longer a member of defense would it be possible for him to funnel funds into defense under the radar now?

    I found it rather odd that no one questioned this matter in court when it was brought to light.
    What does the Florida Bar say on this, or does it address this issue?
    Thank You.

    This issue really bothers me, and I can not think I am the only one that found it distasteful to say the least.

  1097. judypc said, on March 19, 2010 at 9:07 am

    I would also like to see Kathy B address the issue of a setting member of defense putting in 70k.

  1098. judypc said, on March 19, 2010 at 9:11 am

    silverbullit:

    I see Mr.Mason going full attack dog on Kronk, and the 3 calls where because of a lazy cop no body was found, I think he will try to enter these other supposed searchers that claim to have searched there.

    He will drag this poor dead horse all over the courtroom beating it to no end.

  1099. frankie said, on March 19, 2010 at 10:14 am

    mason may be a bear in the courtroom and a hoot in the barroom, but he jumped into this case for “fun”. He said so, he meant it. He is ending his stellar career by trying to win an impossible case. He is seeking his glory in sticking it to everyone, he thinks. But at the end of the day, he, if successful, will allow a violent murderess to walk free. His legacy will be one of egoism and dishonesty. His integrity will be tarnished and a long supposedly brilliant career will be forgotten. His legacy will be that he helped the world’s most despised criminal walk. He will be remembered as no better than the trash he threw in the faces of decent citizens and a 34 month old toddler.

    casey anthony deserves a fair trial. She won’t get one. No matter the verdict, the trial will never be an unbiased discovery of the truth. Thanks to her parents lies and the greed and deceit of the defense she has chosen, she is universally hated. With the exception of Ina and OE whoever they are, all that follow this case believe she is guilty of murdering Caylee. No amount of evidence introduced will ever change that belief. casey anthony will never be a free woman. mason and the rest of this band of thieves may subvert justice and get her acquitted. Then what? No one will ever believe in her innocence, because she is guilty. She will never walk down the street, go to the mall, get her nails done or buy groceries without someone whispering her guilt. She will never gain the respect of her community and she will never marry the man of her dreams, because she will never be viewed as not guilty, no matter what the final judgement of the court is. She will be incarcerated in a prison of her own making…condemned to live with the comfort of only george and cindy. What could possibly be a more horrendous sentence?

  1100. Autumn Leaf said, on March 19, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Frankie: First paragraph, couldn’t have said it better. Great job! Second paragraph…as long as she’s in the spotlight she couldn’t care less what people think. JMO.

    This is such a horror and out of control. It’s far from “fun,” and I only wish someone would take a hold of this case and regain a sense of justice for the VICTIM of this atrocious crime. I have to stop reading and watching all things related to this case as it seems our justice system is out to lunch and that sweet little girl’s death will be treated as yesterday’s news when this is over.

    The entire family are criminals. JMO of course. The song Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves keeps playing over and over in my mind.

  1101. Hazaka said, on March 19, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Gee — after reading some of the posts…. I wonder why we have a court system?? Why don’t lawyers and judges go find other work….. justice by blog seems to be the new way!!

  1102. frankie said, on March 19, 2010 at 10:40 am

    AutumnLeaf: Ahhh, but there is the rub…she won’t be. If convicted or acquitted, her spotlight is fast fading. She wouldn’t be getting this much attention now if it weren’t for Caylee. She will become just another face in the crowd, but her old friends surely won’t want her around and new friends will discover the truth pretty quickly. Even if she manages to convince them she was “innocent”, who would trust her completely? She will go back to being a nobody, with no future.

  1103. frankie said, on March 19, 2010 at 10:48 am

    Hazaka: They might just as well. Too many attorneys view a trial as a game. IMO neither the perp or the victim get a “fair trial”. Our justice system could be the best in the world, but the viability of the system depends on the integrity of the officers of the court. I find no integrity in the likes of baez and lyons. Don’t know much about mason, but he didn’t make a good first impression on me. LKB just looks like the personification of every dumb blonde chick I have ever heard. (No, I do NOT think blondes are dumb, there are just a lot of funny dumb blonde joke. I am referring to those anecdotes.). And just a quick, FYI, this is not a court, just a blog for expressing ones opinions. In My Opinion….casey is guilty and her “team” cannot produce evidence to the contrary. Therefore, if she is acquitted, she will most likely get off on a “technicality” or a deliberate subversion of justice, like in the oj simpson case. That to me does not indicate innocence…simply means the system failed to obtain justice.

  1104. Hazaka said, on March 19, 2010 at 11:14 am

    frankie said ————————– :-)

  1105. ♣ No Nic ♣ said, on March 19, 2010 at 11:17 am

    Hazaka said, on March 19, 2010 at 10:33 am

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>:smile:

  1106. nom de plume said, on March 19, 2010 at 11:22 am

    It’s not too early to start casting call for the inevitable movie:

    Judge Strickland – Matthew McConnahey (?)

    Baez – Pee wee Herman (?)

  1107. nom de plume said, on March 19, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Forget Lyon – Nancy Parsons (Beulah Balbricker)

  1108. frankie said, on March 19, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    Ha..finally had time to watch masons press. What a hoot! He doesn’t at any time profess to have any belief in casey’s innocence. Nope…took the case because it was downtrodden and fun! Humor in the violent murder of a child and a 24 year old woman fighting for her life. Yep, that about sums up mason. He didn’t say, I fear this innocent person will be wrongfully convicted….even oj’s defense team had enough sense to say that! He just bragged about how wonderful mason is and how he will show this bunch of young folks how an old man does it! casey….you have some real winners representing you. Yep, one plays the Hispanic downtrodden buffoon, the other plays the wise old man gonna show those young whippersnappers and then you have the amazons trying to make a name for themselves. All against the backdrop of your parents acting like they are at a party. And there you sit…..about to be shipped off to the big house while your “crew” slaps themselves on the back about their stellar performance. Blaming their loss on the bad arse “public”. If you weren’t such a haughty thing, I might feel some degree of sympathy for you…but NOT!!!

  1109. knight owl said, on March 19, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    The prosecution has remained quiet as they are professionals and act like professionals. I think they will be a force to reckon with at trial with all they will have to present . I didn’t like Mr.Mason only because he was acting like a big shot and was acting like the indigent forum was so cut and dried and the attitude was, let’s just move forward, she is clearly indigent, there is no money. I mean he has just joined this case so doesn’t he have a lot to catch up on before he wants to just move things forward so quickly? Or should i say a lot of smut underhanded stuff to catch up on first. Plus i also thought he was ridiculous speaking for Henry Lee, (you can sometimes just send these guys a box od oranges and that is all it takes and they will work like free, i could just send him a box of oranges, i am paraphrasing as cannot remember the exact words but you all heard it too. That sounded more like what bozo Baez would say. I have read all Mason’s impeccable credentials but this case is not your ordinary murder case. This one has the killer doing and saying everything to incriminate her ownself with her farce of ridiculous lies and never wanted to have her baby pronunced missing let alone found. Plus we have a skeletal body telling the tale as well. No doubt Prosecutor’s will show the duct taped head of poor precious Caylee for all to see and high profled medical expert Jan Garavalia will testify the duct tape was placed before death due to the mandible was in place. Due to this is why she stated the cause of death was homicide by undetermined means. In my humble opinion the duct taped head is gonna stick with the juror’s like glue.

  1110. knight owl said, on March 19, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Doug, i noticed Casey doing the hand picking as well as the hair smoothing and patting her hair. She definitely has some ticks for sure. She makes me nuts watching her do this. If they gave her a huge fuzzy teddy tear bear to hold at trail she would have that sucker picked bald as an onion within the first 30 minutes. George has this too. He can’t stop picking things on Cindy’s back or when she gets up from the jail chair in tapes he is picking at the chair seat.

  1111. knight owl said, on March 19, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Today is Casey’s birthday. whoopie. My cat Louie caught her a big fat rat for her present.

  1112. knight owl said, on March 19, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Frankie, your 10:14 a.m. post i could not have said it better. your nailed it.

  1113. knight owl said, on March 19, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Hi Bees, Diana and everyone else here. this is so off topic and craig may kill me but have you guys checked out kreuzer’s korner. it is about natalee holloway. a couple snorkeling in Aruba took some underwater pics and noticed now one appears to look like a human skeleton laying on the ocean floor. the question is if it is a human skeleton and the pic to me looked like it sure could be, could it be that of Natalee Holloway?

  1114. susan said, on March 19, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Hi Knight Owl. Good comments. I haven’t been following the Holloway story at all.

    Frankie, GREAT comments, all of them. And I agree with you of course about Mason. What the &*$#! gave this whackadoo the idea that it would be okay to strut into Strickland’s courtroom like a retired gameshow host???? Is he retarded?

  1115. FRG said, on March 19, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    knight owl @ 1:22 pm
    OMG!!Thanks!!! I so wish that Natalee’s mom could have some closure… she has suffered a lot and I just pray that some day Natalee will be found.

  1116. knight owl said, on March 19, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    Hi Susan. Thank you. I am from Natalee’s home town so the story got my interest really fast and i have continued to follow it. It has been such a sad case and a nitemare for her family. unlike evil Casey, Natalee’s mom has went to the end of Aruba to find her daughter and has given the corrupt law enforcement Hell every way she could to the point of having the Governor of Alabama declare a boycott on Aruba. I so pray that get closure.

  1117. knight owl said, on March 19, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    Hi Frg, your welcome. This really shocked me. I have always felt some day she would be found and could this be her is the million dollar question as of now. I believe it is her and Beth and Dave and her brother and family deserve to know and have closure as like you said they have really suffered. Beth has been a pitt bull for Aruba authorities and all their corruption they never counted on. She just didn’t give up and disappear in the background. she has cost them lot’s of tourism for their cover ups and i was right behind her on the sidelines cheering her own. I so hope they get closure one way or the other.

  1118. amazed said, on March 19, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    @@Hazaka, don’t shed any tear over the obviously guilty creeps out there. They have more rights than you or I will ever have. Thanks in major part to the very people who thinnk as you do, and of course Ina and OE, and a few others who comment here. It does not matter to any of you one bit that she OBVIOUSLY did it. That her whole family is OBVIOUSLY lying to protect her, I don’t think Caylee even enters into the equation for ya’ll. So no the lawyers and courts don’t have to look elsewhere for jobs to make room for us bloggers, but we sure wouldn’t mind sharing some of our common sense with them.

  1119. FRG said, on March 19, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Judge Grants Casey Anthony’s Indigent Status
    http://www.wftv.com/news/22891038/detail.html

  1120. FRG said, on March 19, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    That is very interesting:

    Casey Anthony: We didn’t pay Casey Anthony, WFTV says »

    Casey Anthony: ABC paid $200,000 to Casey Anthony and gained what?
    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/03/casey-anthony-abc-paid-200000-to-casey-anthony-and-gained-what.html

  1121. Myrtle Beach said, on March 19, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    The Accused, her family and her defense attorneys are all playing a continuous game of You Lie and I’ll Swear to It. I think C. Mason has been behind the scenes for quite some time. It would not surprise me if J Baez has consulted with him in the past few months and worked out the deal for CM to come on board once he grabbed all the money.

    There’s always been a stink on this case. Literally and figuratively. I am beginning to even feel that just about anyone who crosses paths with the Anthonys exposes themselves to the negative karma of their miserable existence.

  1122. Heroesfan said, on March 19, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    ABC Is Guilty of Checkbook Journalism

    Dan Gainor
    - FOXNews.com

    The revelation that ABC News paid Casey Anthony $200,000 demonstrates how rapidly the media landscape is changing.

    The term checkbook journalism has always referred to sleazy outfits so desperate to put some scandal in front of the public that they paid to get the story. That accusation now lands squarely on the desk of ABC News and the network is denying it lamely.

    ***********************************
    full story:
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/03/19/dan-gainor-abc-news-casey-anthony-paid/

  1123. Heroesfan said, on March 19, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    Good points made Knight Owl, when someone is logical, it brings us all down to earth among the madness.

  1124. judypc said, on March 19, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Oh for petes sake, NOW they want to say the OCSO the jail personal worked together to trap Casey….

    That the women she passed letters to was working with OCSO to get a lesser sentence.

    Why can’t they just admit Casey was a DUMB-ASS and thought she was too cool to get caught.

    They are saying since the jailer was an employee of the state it was entrappment.

    Now what if the person that passed the notes was one of the inmates that works in the jail?
    Do they do that in OCJ, what is called good behavior work release, they get to get out of their cells and pass meals and such?

  1125. Heroesfan said, on March 19, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    knight owl said, on March 19, 2010 at 1:07 pm Today is Casey’s birthday. whoopie. My cat Louie caught her a big fat rat for her present.

    ***************************

    I’m surprised the Anthony’s didn’t make a public plea to send poor Casey greeting cards & letters for her special day. Didn’t George tell everyone to ‘write Casey’ at their special Caylee Memorial?

    The Caylee Memorial complete with a ‘hit list’ of those banned from entering the church? Jeez, was that a weirdfest!

  1126. judypc said, on March 19, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    FRG:

    Well, my take on that link was Jose’ was busy shopping a deal, and the money was paid TO HIM, not Casey.

    So, I have to wonder will someone from the court NOW question his ethic’s, or lack thereof.

  1127. judypc said, on March 19, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Herosfan:

    What a HOOT!!
    Did you ever think the day would come when th NE was considered the good guys?
    And a major network was the sleaze?
    MY MY how the times have changed.

    “The National Enquirer is being considered for a Pulitzer Prize for its work exposing John Edwards’s affair and out-of-wedlock child.
    Meanwhile, ABC is accused of paying a woman accused of murdering her 2-year-old daughter”.

  1128. Heroesfan said, on March 19, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    Great article wasn’t it Judypc? Yet pathetic because it’s true that ABC payed for the defense of an accused child murderer, and they knew it.

  1129. Heroesfan said, on March 19, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Judypc, why do you think no one brought up the Anthonys & the blood money they made to help pay for the defense. All those back door deals with media, dwidn’t some of it go to Baez? Though sleazy & not illegal, wouldn’t that be included in moneys paid to the defense? Eveyone rants about the blood money the Anthonys made, yet I never heard of them ‘donating’ any of it to defend Casey, unless I missed it yesterday.

  1130. judypc said, on March 19, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Heroesfan:

    I know this is prob nothing, but a wild thought just crossed my mind.

    In court Jose’ said $5.000.00 was donated by ? they refuse to say that name.

    Now, River say’s she gave George $5.000.00
    Could it be the same 5 grand?

    And I hate to beat a dead horse but, we all know the Anthony’s have taken money from the media, we were not all born just last night.
    And we know they did not make their house payments, sooooo I have to think the money went to Jose’.

  1131. FRG said, on March 19, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=10150122
    Snip from ABC’s article:
    “Fla. Mom to Get Funds to Pay for Murder Defense
    Fla. mom to get public funds for murder defense; Lawyers say they’ve spent more than $200K
    A judge ruled Friday that Casey Anthony is indigent and can use public money to help pay for her defense against charges that she killed her 2-year-old daughter. Circuit Judge Stan Strickland issued the ruling a day after her attorney disclosed that ABC had paid the Florida mother and her relatives $200,000 for exclusive use of family photos and videos. In his ruling, the judge said Anthony met the standards under the law to be deemed indigent. A new lawyer joined Anthony’s defense… “

  1132. Heroesfan said, on March 19, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    One of Casey’s pen pals a gang member who choked a teen to death.
    ________

    Maya Durkovic – the other inmate besides Robyn that Casey passed notes with. She is a bad-ass gang member that choked to death a 15 year old girl named Jackie Curtis.

    See her picture and read her confession to the crime below. There is also an MP3 of her describing the crime in her own voice. The terms duffa bag, etc. . . come to mind immediately.

    http://florida-issues.blogspot.com/2007/10/jailed-orange-teen-admits-she-killed.html

    ******************

    I’m speechless, um why was any prison guard willing to help Casey? What, he/she never heard of the Anthony curse?

    Get involved with the POS family members, any of them, get dragged through the mud, your life ruined, get fired, excused of murder etc…

    Wonder if the illegal passing of notes will be entered as evidence? Casey is all smiles & so are the $$$ Granddollars.

    Mason gave them hope that she will be aquitted & he’ll walk arm in arm with Casey as a free woman out thecourt room.

  1133. Heroesfan said, on March 19, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Above, I meant accused of murder, not excused.

  1134. Doug Wollenburg said, on March 20, 2010 at 3:46 am

    George can’t get a job cause he says he’s too “well known”. Cindy says she can’t work due to “Mental Problems”. And they haven’t made a house payment in at least 9 months…

    Yet they have money for cruises, new clothes for themselves and Casey,
    gold jewerly and the latest smart phones and they have multiple phones per person…

    And Casey has High Priced Attornys going Pro Bono all over her, even to the point of giving money to her…

    Wow…Being Indigent in Florida really pays…

  1135. Doug Wollenburg said, on March 20, 2010 at 4:25 am

    So the Defense wants to know how much the State is spending, saying it’s unfair to limit the amount of taxpayers money they can spend…

    Well I also want to know how much the State has spent…

    How much did it cost to:
    Drag Casey all over town, when she knew it was a goose chase;
    All that time and effort searching;
    Following up all of Cindy’s demands that they look into every out of state hint/clue;
    Looking for a person that never existed;
    Working thru all of Casey’s lies;
    Working thru all of her families lies;
    etc…etc…etc…

    So yes, tell us how much money the Anthony’s spoiled baby killing brat has cost the taxpayers.

  1136. Hazaka said, on March 20, 2010 at 9:22 am

    ‘Morning —- well, thanks ♣ No Nic ♣ — just finished the interview with Bill re: Mason…… interesting that this attorney, with impecable credentials… over 40 years worth is now being denegrated by so many here …… Who here is a lawyer who truly has alll the facts ??? Who here knows so much more than the lawyers privey to the facts??? Hummmmmmm???

  1137. ♣ No Nic ♣ said, on March 20, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Haz,

    Thank God no one here will be on the Jury. Most here want Casey hung out to dry without a trial. I am incredulous to believe that there are those who wish to subvert her Constitutional rights. The blogesphere is rife with such hate and anger that rational thought is thrown out the window. What I don’t think most people blogging about this case get is that Mr. Mason being on board will insure she gets a fair trial and Baez won’t do something stupid and get a mistrial. Then it is Déjà Vu all over again.

  1138. Hazaka said, on March 20, 2010 at 10:26 am

    It’s better to let one guilty person go free than convict an innocent. Who said that? Brandeis?? In any event — thank goodness and hopefully no one here will EVER be on a jury…. ’cause, don’t confuse them with the facts..their minds are made up!! One thing (well, among many :-) ) I’ve learned in my looooooooooooong journey through life… everyone “hates” a defense attorney … until he or she needs one!!!

  1139. FRG said, on March 20, 2010 at 10:55 am

    ABC News Under Fire For Payment To Murder Suspect
    by DAVID FOLKENFLIK
    March 19, 2010
    Listen:
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124913007

    Snip:
    “ABC News is facing sharp criticism over the disclosure that it paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to a Florida woman who now stands accused of killing her own daughter.”

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124913007&ps=cprs

  1140. Hazaka said, on March 20, 2010 at 11:02 am

    FRG said, on March 20, 2010 at 10:55 am
    ABC News Under Fire For Payment To Murder Suspect

    ————————————————
    Totally unethical……. NOT the journalism I knew when I hired and fired and prepared policies and procedural news handbooks……..

  1141. ♣ No Nic ♣ said, on March 20, 2010 at 11:15 am

    In 1471, English chief justice John Fortescue suggested n = 20 for execution: “Indeed I would rather wish twenty evil doers to escape death through pity, than one man to be unjustly condemned.” It was apparently widely believed in English courts during the Middle Ages and the Renaissance that it was better to let many guilty men escape than to convict one innocent person, and a form of Fortescue’s maxim was cited in a 1607 case from the Star Chamber court. In the seventeenth century, Matthew Hale used n = 5 for execution, “for it is better five guilty persons should escape unpunished, than one innocent person should die.” Hale admitted that this doctrine had certain inconveniences; in particular, that it is hard to get good direct evidence of witchcraft, so that many undoubtedly guilty persons escape. As Increase Mather put it in 1692, during the Salem witch trials, “it were better that ten suspected Witches should escape, than that one innocent Person should be Condemned.”

    http://www.law.ucla.edu/volokh/guilty.htm

    And just to set the record straight, I am not a fan of Casey or any of the Anthonys. Personally I believe she is guilty of the demise of Caylee. That being said, she is entitled to a fair and impartial trial. Will she get it? Not on the Blogs, that is for sure.

  1142. ♣ No Nic ♣ said, on March 20, 2010 at 11:20 am

    Haz,

    If Justice Brandeis said that, he obviously plagiarized it from centuries ago. Branieis died three months before I was born. :wink:

  1143. Hazaka said, on March 20, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Woops ————————— well …. one thing…. you do beat me!!! :-) Anyway …… if he said …. I didn’t hear it, therefore I didn’t get it right!!! but here’s the quote ….

    “Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer,” said English jurist William Blackstone. The ratio 10:1 has become known as the “Blackstone ratio.” Lawyers “are indoctrinated” with it “early in law school.” “Schoolboys are taught” it. In the fantasies of legal academics, jurors think about Blackstone routinely…”

  1144. BEES KNEES said, on March 20, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Sweet jumping Jebus!!!! It does not matter WHAT this murderer does, there are lawyers leaping to her defense at every move. Florida can’t punish her no matter how guilty she is. Why don’t we all just accept that? Why not just release her now and save the State a big sh*tload of money? This “untouchable” crap is just too much to take. If she had been caught placing the tape over Caylee’s mouth guaranteed there would be 20 lawyers swearing up and down with their hands on a Bible that she was only REMOVING the tape. I have never seen a more ridiculous miscarriage of justice in my life and hope to never see it again. I sure hope that what we’re seeing only happens in Florida. I sure hope it doesn’t spread. I would laugh if it wasn’t so sad.

  1145. Hazaka said, on March 20, 2010 at 11:49 am

    Okay folks … don’t read anything into this ….. I do not know nor do I think Casey did not kill her little daughter …. but….. please, why oh why does anyone think a) she does not deserve a fair trial; b) why does anyone think that individuals who are indeed privy to far more information that we, are onboard her defense team? Forget Baez …. Linda Kenny Baden is a long respected lawyer, Lyons is as is Mason….. why would they “sully” their reputation if something didn’t trigger a response in each of them….. Why, too would our “leader” on this blog have made comments which hold Mason in such high regard????? We are, as an old song went…. “on the outside looking in…”

  1146. frankie said, on March 20, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    You make some pretty broad assumptions about bloggers…lumping them all together as a group that seems to be incapable of the degree of enlightenment you feel your posses. I have no respect for attorneys that I believe are dishonest and I believe there are payoffs for these attorneys whether they admit to them or not. I do think casey is entitled to a viable defense. I also think there are many capable attorneys in this state that will take the case, as mason has agreed to do. casey chose out of state attorneys and she or her family should bear the expense of those attorneys or she should take an in state attorney. I don’t care if bozo represents her, but he should be subject to the same rates and caps as any other attorney. If he chooses to represent her for that amount, fine, go for it.

    As to respect for the attorneys. masons professed interest in this case is for FUN. He at no time stated any belief in her innocence or concern that she was not being fully represented. In his blusterous manner, he pronounced himself more capable than her assembled team and instead of retiring, he entered the case for FUN. Please share your insight as to his motives. I personally see no entertainment value in the brutal murder of a tiny child nor do I see entertainment value in any young person fighting for his/her life. There is nothing funny about this situation…even if the defense and their clients seem to be having a ball. At the core of the situation is a small child, murdered and left in a swamp.

    As to bozo…sorry, he is a no body looking for fame. There has never been any reason for his shenanigans. he has purposely hidden the source of funding and the expenses that have been incurred and theoretically paid. Why should the taxpayers pay exorbitant fees simply because bozo decided, with full knowledge, to accept an indigent client?

    Does any thinking human being really believe that these attorneys, all of them with the possible exception of mason, are not in this because they intend to make future profits from books and/or movies?

    We are not called upon to be the jurors in this case. We are within our rights to express our opinions and discuss this matter, as are you. casey made her finances our business the moment she asked for State funding. In the end, my dollars and yours, will be paying to represent her and we have a fundamental right to full disclosure on those funds and the monies she has already spent prior to declaring her indigent. Full disclosure…nothing less is acceptable if she wants our money to pay for her crime.

  1147. BEES KNEES said, on March 20, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Frankie, good comment. He seemed like a bag of hot air. For someone who is supposed to be so bright he sure did some dumb things. First, FUN?……….What the ??? Given the sentiments of 99% of people following this case, was that the right word to use? Second, calling Jeff Ashton ignorant. Huh? Again. What on earth did he hope to achieve by that? The State is by no means “ignorant” ~ in fact they have been brilliant so far. I believe they will remain brilliant till the end. I’ve read some comment today (don’t remember where) that the State has been lazy and smug. I disagree 100%. The State has been meticulous and respectfully QUEIT. They’ve been patient and they’ve been passionate about keeping it about Caylee. The State has not been looking for media attention when CLEARLY this Defense has. There are backdoors leading out of the Courtroom. Why do the Anthonys and the Defense ALWAYS opt to go out the front doors where the media waits? And I don’t believe all Defense lawyers are the same. I can scarcely put either Bill Sheaffer or Mark NeJame in the same catagory as Beaz and Cheney.

  1148. BEES KNEES said, on March 20, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Isn’t it weird that we can see what is being played out but we are all just spectators. There’s really very little we can do about it realistically, but I think it’s important that the least we’re helping with is keeping Caylee out there front and centre and that’s no small thing. Have you yet heard anyone on the Defense & family use her name, “Caylee?”

  1149. judypc said, on March 20, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Maybe they should just open the cell door and let her go free right now, why bother with a trial.
    because the mean ol bloggers are so hateful, and that will make it impossible for poor sweet innocent Casey to get a fair trial, cause you know these bloggers will be the ones that send her right to the DP the court will ask them what to do, the jury will log on to a blog before handing in any verdict.

    And everyone should over look anything the lawyers do, because after all this is Casey we’re talking about.
    They can turn in hundreds of goofy motions, accuse innocent people, cash in any way they see fit and it should never be questioned.

    So who cares about dead babies, who cares about lies, none of that matters, just let her go now so theres still time for her to cash in and have money to party with.

  1150. Doug Wollenburg said, on March 20, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    The only safe place for Casey will be Death Row, cause if she does get out, someone out there will duct tape her up, stuff her into a bag and dump her someplace…

    So it doesn’t matter how the trial goes, Casey will always be awaiting death, the only question is “By whom”.

    Will it be the State or will it be by some form of Street Justice ??

    We just have to wait and see.

  1151. judypc said, on March 20, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Doug:

    Boy guess she’s lucky huh.

    Otherwise all of us no good bloggers would form a lynch mob, rush the jail, drag her out and find a really tall tree for our short rope.

    Since we are all so evil and have this blood lust in our hearts, too bad we’re not all as enlightened as some.

  1152. FRG said, on March 20, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Good afternoon everybody!!!

    Valhall has anew article and it is so good:
    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/03/20/200031-reasons-i-believe-casey-is-guilty/

  1153. BEES KNEES said, on March 20, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    judy, you’re sounding just as defeated as I was. I read Hinky’s new blog and I’m feeling somewhat restored. It’s hard NOT to feel beaten though, watching this show play out where the law-breakers seem to walk between raindrops. I like Judge Strickland but I hold him at least partly responsible for not reining this in a year ago.

  1154. Doug Wollenburg said, on March 20, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    They are not enlightened, they are just Anti-Death Penalty with no care or concern for Justice, they just don’t want the State to kill killers even when it’s proven beyond all doubt. Yes mistakes have been made, but that’s a problem with the Legal System not the death penalty. Instead of fixing the problem they would rather derail justice. Instead of seeking the truth they just want to have “Fun”. After all, that’s all Casey wanted, to just have “Fun”.

  1155. judypc said, on March 20, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    Bees:

    I’m not at all defeated, just a bit tired of the Holier-than-thou barbs at all us poor ignorant bloggers that do not have a clue about how justice is suppose to work.
    And how we are so unfit to even dare have an opinion.

    And every word we dare utter is pure blasphemy, after all none of the lawyers for the defense would dare do anything sleazy or shady, we should hold them in high esteem, after all they are standing up for a poor down trodden mother who would not have harmed a hair on her childs head.

    We are way to stupid to look at the evidence and see any sign of guilt.
    Because the silly ol state of Florida after all is just attacking this poor defenseless women for no reason.

  1156. BEES KNEES said, on March 20, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Sorry Judy. I thought you were discouraged with the proceedings like I am. You know as well as I do that there’s an abundance of intelligence on these blogs. I have been amazed at some of the conclusions and theories I’ve read, and I have no doubt that both LE and the Defense keep a close eye as to what we’re thinking and talking about. I don’t know who has said differently to you but I would ignore it.

  1157. Heroesfan said, on March 20, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Doug Wollenburg said, on March 20, 2010 at 4:25 am So the Defense wants to know how much the State is spending, saying it’s unfair to limit the amount of taxpayers money they can spend…

    Well I also want to know how much the State has spent…

    How much did it cost to:
    Drag Casey all over town, when she knew it was a goose chase;
    All that time and effort searching;
    Following up all of Cindy’s demands that they look into every out of state hint/clue;
    Looking for a person that never existed;
    Working thru all of Casey’s lies;
    Working thru all of her families lies;
    etc…etc…etc…

    So yes, tell us how much money the Anthony’s spoiled baby killing brat has cost the taxpayers.

    ****************

    Yep, precious wasted law enforecent recourses looking for Caylee in places when the entire Anthony family knew she was not there. How much did TES spend then get kicked in the teeth by Cindy for their troubles?

  1158. Heroesfan said, on March 20, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Doug Wollenburg said, on March 20, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    They are not enlightened, they are just Anti-Death Penalty with no care or concern for Justice, they just don’t want the State to kill killers even when it’s proven beyond all doubt.
    ____________

    Another great point, example Andrea Lyon who for whatever despicable reason let an innocent man sit in prison for 26 years. Justice a priority first on this defense attorney’s list. You can’t tell me there wasn’t a way to save this man & not get disbarred. Bullsh*T.

  1159. ♣ No Nic ♣ said, on March 20, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    If I am one of the “THEY some of you are ranting about. Let me enlighten you. I have never said here that I was “Anti Death Penalty. I have also said that I think that Casey Anthony is Guilty. I don’t care whether they give her the Death Penalty or not. It will not effect my life in any way. That being said, I don’t believe that the Death Penalty deters anyone from killing another person and I think that statistics prove it. Some here have taken my comments totally out of context.

  1160. Heroesfan said, on March 20, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    I meant, justice isn’t a priority on Andrea’s list. She’s rather see innocent people rot in jail for 26 yrs, then her guilty client get the death penalthy.

    If that’s not a warped sense of justice…what is? Oh, I guess it’s freeing a baby killer at all costs, even if she goes free to kill again.

    Casey seems like the reoffender type, get pregnant…get rid of the annoying kid when they hit the terrible 2′s.

  1161. Heroesfan said, on March 20, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    When Cheney Mason called Jeff Ashton ignorant, thought I was hearing things. Also, you don’t call the murder trial of Caylee Marie FUN, or say you joined FOR THE FUN OF IT. That’s 2 major faux pas in 1 day.

    Mason demeaned Jeff Ashton who’s never uttered 1 word to media, is fiery but always professional. Ignorant, I don’t think so, you want to see pure stupidity look right behind you at Bozo the clown.

    Blowhard Mason exposed himself as a classless, unprofessional nitwit.

  1162. mikka said, on March 20, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    heroesfan,mason said he make the case and it will be fun,he said also all people who think casey is guilty,are stupid and idiots!
    and i agree with you 100% with you,what a low life laywer(when you can say lawyer)!

  1163. Heroesfan said, on March 20, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    J. Cheney Mason said this about Casey Anthony’s case December 2008:

    “You can pretty well predict there’s going to be a life sentence, either a plea and get it over with or have a circus trial and then be convicted and get life,” Mason said.

    “The most important thing is how did she die?” Mason said. “It could have been an accidental death — and we’ve talked before — an improper disposal, it could have been a brutal homicide. We don’t know, and until the medical examiner is finished and renders a report, no one is going to know.”

    full story:

    http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18268796/detail.html

    ************************

    Really Mr. Mason…why the 180 degree turn? Another media whore looking for his 15 minutes.

  1164. frankie said, on March 20, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Heroesfan: He didn’t even bother with a 180 degree turn around. He NEVER stated he thinks casey is not guilty. In direct response to the question why did he take the case, he answered “cause it’s FUN”. I am appalled beyond words and he doesn’t deserve any respect for that statement. Even if one believes casey did not kill Caylee, what could possibly be “fun” about a 24 year old woman fighting for her very life? I agree also that the State has acted professionally, not like the buffoons that are defending the murderess!

  1165. frankie said, on March 20, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Oooooohhhh that was an excellent post over at Hinky. She was selling her dead baby’s photos at a time when she was NOT charged with murder. At that time, she was only charged with lying to investigators and child neglect, yet she did NOT spend one thin dime on anything related to finding Caylee. She spent everything on defending herself against a murder charge that she already KNEW was coming.

  1166. frankie said, on March 20, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    JudyPC and others: I think the enlightened ones are not so much “enlightened” as just individuals seeking to prove something by being the defenders of the under dog. Or else lyins students are here….LOL I don’t put any stock in any statement when no facts are offered up as support.

  1167. Jeansee said, on March 20, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Well MR. Mason let the games begin!!! Lets see how fun it is to you when The Power of Truth and JUSTICE comes your way. Barring getting experts to LIE the Discovery and Evidence against Casey only spells out one word in this WAR OF WORDS… GUILTY!!!!!! Her smug face and no caring about selling her baby’s pictures for her own benefit tells me where this womans mind is.. And by some fluke if she gets out on a technicallity… Cindy better get a body guard because Casey’s actions speak louder then words and she will be needing your services again for the Murder of her Mother next. How will you feel sir when you hear she is responsible for another murder? IMO…. There is NO EXCUSE for Defense now to STALL and CARRY ON…. Wonder If Mr. Mason will continue the Media flurry Baez was doing?… Well now this is going to get moving.. The State is paying for the whole thing… She cannot complain about not having proper representation can she?…. Appeals will be hard to come by… DP could be closer then you think Casey…. IMO

  1168. Doug Wollenburg said, on March 20, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    I’m just waiting to see what happens to Casey’s Attorneys in the long run cause she leaves a wake of death and destruction, ruined/shattered lives and destroyed careers…

  1169. RS said, on March 21, 2010 at 7:17 am

    Mason is a Mark Geragos wannabee IMO….

    Geragos was saying similar of Scott Peterson, then he later became his lawyer….

    Note, similar path of Mason…..right down to having said in as many words she would be convicted….

  1170. Hazaka said, on March 21, 2010 at 7:23 am

    RS said, ——– interesting to disclaim your comment with an “IMO” —- but … haven’t you read nor heard about Mason’s distinguished career????? And….. actually Geragos is a respected attorney with a fine record…that he represented Peterson shouldn’t diminish his credentials…..

  1171. judypc said, on March 21, 2010 at 7:25 am

    IMO being a simple minded blogger, Mason knows this trial will be shown national, from start to finish.
    It’s his version of going out in a blaze of glory, the perfect ending before he becomes a retired gent.

    He will look for loop-holes, call for mistrials, do his darnest to confuse the jury with smoke and mirrors, Kronk, & Jesse will be drug through the mud, and saint casey will be the poor misunderstood child that was so afraid of her own mother she could not tell the truth.

    It will all be a horrid mistake, an accident that snowballed out of control because she was more afraid of Cindy than the law.
    She will be the poor mistreated child that only wanted to be the perfect daughter but could never gain that high level of glory in her momma’s eyes.

    Before it’s over casey will be the victim, and Caylee will be lost somewhere in the snow-storm of the defense.

  1172. Hazaka said, on March 21, 2010 at 7:29 am

    judypc said, on March 21, 2010 at 7:25 am —————– seriously, do you really think so? Why is there such vitriol lodged against any defense attorney in this case? If one “hates” the accused ….. why hate the upholders of the Constitution? Oh …. where is no nic this morning????

  1173. RS said, on March 21, 2010 at 7:30 am

    Hazaka,

    Appears you skated past my point…

    Geragos said similar of Peterson that Mason did of Anthony

    ………and yet Geragos then later represented Peterson, and lost,

    ……and now Mason is representing Anthony….

  1174. Hazaka said, on March 21, 2010 at 7:32 am

    RS —– perhaps ….. but ….. in the larger scheme of things….. selecting one case to hinge an opinion on after a long career of fine lawyering is interesting…… that’s it…. nada mas… :-)

  1175. Hazaka said, on March 21, 2010 at 7:33 am

    —– and what if a lawyer said … “my client is guilty as sin” … but I have been retained to trick the system….. huh?

  1176. RS said, on March 21, 2010 at 7:36 am

    Hazaka,

    did you read Mason’s comments from Dec. 08?..

    appears her now lawyer, did for all intents and purposes say she is guilty….so your what if a lawyer says, might be better served directed to Anthony or perhaps to Mr. Mason himself…

  1177. Hazaka said, on March 21, 2010 at 7:52 am

    Could it be……….. Mason said what he said BEFORE he became aware of certain facts?? I have no idea ….. just interesting that whomever joins the defense becomes a target of vitriol…. no biggie …. just interesting….

  1178. RS said, on March 21, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Mason was able to see discovery releases like anybody else and lack of filing of same by defense……

    ……no question in my mind he thinks she is guilty based on what he had seen or he would not have said what he did…..

    mavbe people have issue with him over what appears to be blatant two faced behavior…

  1179. Hazaka said, on March 21, 2010 at 8:37 am

    RS — do you really think there isn’y any other information than that which has been released?

  1180. talking2much said, on March 21, 2010 at 8:42 am

    RS

    Your not saying people find blatant hypocrisy a turn off are ya? lol

    I find the condescension and vitriol toward other bloggers interesting…..I ponder the reason for coming here each day simply to disagree with each comment.

    One wonders what the pay off for such behavior is.

  1181. judypc said, on March 21, 2010 at 9:06 am

    Hazaka:

    Contrary to you’re wanting to make me sound like some blood thirsty hang-em high and don’t go cheap on the rope ruffian, had you bothered to read any of my post you would see I am not prone to bash the defense, I do however have, I think reasonable questions as to the actions thus far of this defense.

    I do not begrudge Casey a fair and vigorous defense, far from it, it is her right and I for one pray there are no mistakes that can bring this sorted mess back for round two.

    What you fail to acknowledge is there have been glowing areas where Jose’ has not been a beacon of integrity, nor has he thus far shown himself to be all that intelligent where the “LAW” is concerned, one only has to read his endless diatribe of ill conceived motions.
    His less than straightforward actions in regard to the money issues.

    His habit of shopping the media, then proclaiming his client can not get a fair trial.

    I am most likely the only one here that has seen death-row, sat there and talked to a person fighting for their life.
    I am as well most likely the only one here that has seen and experienced the thrill of seeing someone not just taken off death row, released from prison, and proven innocent, as a result of our work, unlike Lyon’s who talks the talk but does not walk the walk.

    So before you paint me as someone that bashes a good defense because they have a distasteful client perhaps you should consider that you are sorely mistaken.
    I do however tend to call it as I see it, and if this defense can not stand scrutiny then perhaps that is the problem, not the dim-witted minds of the bloggers.

  1182. Hazaka said, on March 21, 2010 at 9:12 am

    judypc said —————————- I never painted you as one who bashes the defense just because he/she is representing a distasteful client — and if you took it that way, I am sorry …. but …. it seems that whomever joins the defense team becomes a target of intense criticism …………….. fact is …. I have known of too many innocents put to
    death…or sat in prison because of egotistical prosecution….. my comment was merely generalized…. I realize you are passionate about this case — :-)

  1183. ♣ No Nic ♣ said, on March 21, 2010 at 9:24 am

    Haz,

    I am here however at the risk of any further vitriol against you and I, this is all I have to say this morning. Mob Mentality

  1184. Hazaka said, on March 21, 2010 at 9:26 am

    ♣ No Nic ♣ ————————– :-)

  1185. RS said, on March 21, 2010 at 9:37 am

    talking,

    Nah, I’d never say folks get turned off by hypocrisy associated with a dead little girl…

    Why, it is the norm so it seems, no sense getting turned off by it….LOL

    Now me, I’d never hire a defense attorney to defend me

    who had prior been part of the, what is is called, oh yeah, “mob” mentality….nor one who is implied to have made a judgement on me, heck even spout it in the media, without all the “newly” learned “facts” of the case…why that is most mobbish, no?……….ROTFL

  1186. talking2much said, on March 21, 2010 at 10:01 am

    I can’t believe anyone would want a defense attorney who hasn’t publicly declared the guilt of the client! RS your kinda picky!

    Next thing your gonna want is a lawyer who keeps track of the hours he works on you case!

    There’s just no pleasing some poeple! lol

  1187. RS said, on March 21, 2010 at 10:07 am

    talking,

    I drive a hard bargain, I have standards you know…

    I don’t want a jury pool “tainter” later representing me….LOL….

    what if one of the “tainted” saw all those past comments and remembers them being said at trial time…

    It would be like Geragos later repping Peterson IMO if I were to go down that road…

    ……and we know how that turned out…and it too was a DP case just as this..

  1188. RS said, on March 21, 2010 at 10:14 am

    I look at it this way,….

    If I were a victim of a horrid crime, which i have been…

    And a year prior to prosecution a DA had said no way that accused would ever be convicted, and any trial would be a circus and the criminal would still walk..

    NO WAY, would I want to have that DA prosecuting the criminal for the crimes visited on me…

    Guess it is a different on the flipside.

  1189. ♣ No Nic ♣ said, on March 21, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Haz,

    “So it would seem on the Internet Blogs that this Mob Mentality is alive and well. Don’t express an opinion that may differ with the mob or the wolves will eat you alive. Now I know why people leave blogs and wander the outskirts of other blogs looking for a place that is less threatening.

    So understanding the blogging subculture and knowing that it’s a mentality of “them against us” will keep us one step ahead of the blogging MOB.

  1190. judypc said, on March 21, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Where is this supposed charity of Lyon’s that she testified too?
    NEWS FLASH… There is no such animal.

    Todd Macaluso gifted $70
    RULE 4-1.8 CONFLICT OF INTEREST; PROHIBITED AND OTHER TRANSACTIONS
    (e) Financial Assistance to Client. A lawyer shall not provide financial assistance to a client in connection with pending or contemplated litigation
    Casey in fact was not indigent when Todd Macaluso GIFTED.

    August 2008- ABC licensed exclusive rights to an extensive library of photos and home videos for use by our broadcast platforms, affiliates and international partners.
    No use of the material was tied to any interview.”

    Baez brokered this transaction according to ABC

    Can you tell me was that a Jose’ clone on GOOD MORNING AMERICA just after the deal was struck?

    Now lets look at another ABC statement

    “Several owners of content”

    Now, we know Baez was the broker correct?

    So now ask yourself WHOS interest was he protecting in regard to these “OTHER OWNERS” dare to guess who they were?

    Baez should produce this agreement and it SHOULD be made public.

    Another no – no stated in court by Jokin Jose’

    “He does not keep accountings of his billable hours”

    Maybe Bill would like to explain the importance of accounting those billable hours, hummm isn’t there some itty biddy thing called a LAW that says every attorney must do so?

    Now, lets address Mr. Masons FUN moments in court shall we?

    “Now judge you know you trust me, don’t you?”

    My biggest struggle for breath came when he dared call Jeff Ashton Ignorant!

    That was completely unethical, and IMO he should stand on the courthouse steps and render an apology.

  1191. judypc said, on March 21, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Nic.

    Anyone can debate with me in regard to my opinions, I welcome it.
    But I am offended when someone tacks a label on me that suggest I am unthinking, blind, or unfair.

    I do not run away from the issues, nor do I dye them another color they are what they are, white can not be made black, and shades of grey have no place in justice.

  1192. Hazaka said, on March 21, 2010 at 10:52 am

    You know …. silly me… thought this was an “ecumentical” blog where the discussion was primarily to advance and digest the legal aspects …. not the “slap us on the back – we are of one mind” —- too many of those …. I enjoy discussion, bantering, questioning… not just glad-handing of the like-mindness ….. btw… it’s a glorious spring day here — hope y’all enjoy it!

  1193. ♣ No Nic ♣ said, on March 21, 2010 at 10:53 am

    Judy,

    We have had numerous conversations and I do respect your opinions and comments. Some took my comments out of context and made assumptions about my feelings on this case yesterday. My blog is open for debate but not the name calling that sometimes happens here.

  1194. Silverbullit said, on March 21, 2010 at 10:57 am

    “Good people are always so sure they’re right.”—Susan Graham.

    Based on the evidence I’ve seen so far, I believe Casey is responsible for the murder of Caylee, but as a “good person”, I also believe Casey deserves a fair trial. The same right afforded to each of us.

  1195. Hazaka said, on March 21, 2010 at 10:59 am

    Silverbullit ————— well said!

  1196. ♣ No Nic ♣ said, on March 21, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Silverbullit,

    Amen!

  1197. Silverbullit said, on March 21, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Sorry, the quote is by Barbara Graham…Susan Hayward played her in the movie.

  1198. Hazaka said, on March 21, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Love Susan Heywood… I’LL CRY TOMORROW ……….. oops …did I date myself??????

  1199. ♣ No Nic ♣ said, on March 21, 2010 at 11:13 am

    FRG,

    Good comment at Hal’s and nice plug for Val. :smile:

  1200. ♣ No Nic ♣ said, on March 21, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Haz,

    Sad story about Susan Hayward. She died of lung cancer that metastasized to her brain. She was a heavy smoker.

  1201. Kalalilly said, on March 21, 2010 at 11:21 am

    The audaciousness of expressing a personal opinion that differs in any way whether it is real or ill-perceived than that of the domineering the blog hogs can be very threatening on some blog sites and the mob mentality that results in personal attacks on the differing commentor is obviously very detrimental to the integrity of the blog. I experienced that first hand first on a tv/entertainment site and then even more so on an individual’s site that is more of a email fan club than valuable commentary. And now, that blight creeps in here when not constantly monitored which is un-American and should be unnecessary amongst intelligent adults. Sad to say, the handful of blog hogs who seem to want to establish their own clique with their own mind set is beginning to TAKE OVER here as well and therefore I am one who chooses to withdraw rather than risk the wrath of a mob mentality.

  1202. Hazaka said, on March 21, 2010 at 11:29 am

    ♣ No Nic ♣ ———- and torturd times as an alcoholic …… :-(

  1203. Hazaka said, on March 21, 2010 at 11:30 am

    sorry — tortured

  1204. Kalalilly said, on March 21, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Let me be clear. This site has been cleaned up but still attracts egotistical reactionaries. There are some very intelligent contributors but as with a barrel of appels, it only takes one or two to spoils the lot. Please don’t let that happen here. Maintain the intellectual integrity of this blog, please.

    A blogsite should NOT become a private club of hens all clucking to same tune. You know who and what I’m talking about. The place hosted by a douchebag hack riding the coattails of tragedy and making a mockery of murder for his own gain and encourages a sycophantic following to stroke his ego – all in the name of human interest. No thanks.

  1205. Hazaka said, on March 21, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Kalalilly —————- are you referring to a **** hack here?

  1206. Kalalilly said, on March 21, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    NO. NOT HERE. This is still a good place with the occasional bad apple. THINK about the description…

  1207. Autumn Leaf said, on March 21, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Kalalily, Didn’t have to think twice about your description. Spot on, plus a lot more.

  1208. bg said, on March 21, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Has anyone seen the Bald Ain’t Beautiful WP blog? Worth checking out!

  1209. mbr9 said, on March 21, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    AL-well, if the shoe fits.
    bg-I searched and couldn’t find it – do u have a link?

  1210. nom de plume said, on March 21, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Kalalilly- could I please buy a vowel (clue)? I am blog challenged. I have one in mind, but not sure.

  1211. FRG said, on March 21, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    No Nic @ 11:13 am – Val has her own way with words, she is really bright and witty. Mr. Boedeker gives us a lot to talk about, he keeps us bloggers going. LOL

  1212. Lucky said, on March 21, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    mbr9- Google Bald Ain’t Beautiful WordPress blog

  1213. Doug Wollenburg said, on March 21, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    The Defense is just defending justice, but so is the State…

    The problem I have with the Defense is why does this “thing” deserve all the High-end Legal help she’s getting ?? There are people in jail in every State that needs the help of Attorneys yet can’t afford one, and no one steps up Pro-Bono for them…

    All these Attorneys are after is Name Fame, and if they get their way Lady Justice will no longer be blindfolded for fairness, she’ll be duct taped and dicarded for greed.

  1214. Hazaka said, on March 21, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    Kalalilly ———————— been off for hours …………….. the only one I am familiar with …..is one in which someone has started a “blog business” …. gathered advertisers and used this child’s death as a cash register ———————— want the “initials” ……….. not necessary :-)

  1215. Doug Wollenburg said, on March 21, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    In Beatrice Nebraska a couple Duct taped their child to the wall for entertainment, then they duct taped his Sippy cup just out of reach, they also kept him in a closet.

    They took pictures…

    It was all done for “Fun”…

    So you see, Mr. Mason’s not the only one who can see “Fun” in a Duct taped child.

  1216. FRG said, on March 21, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    Good evening everybody!!!
    The Hinky Meter Blog “Valhall” is throwing out a challenge to Orladoans and would like to help her the details are here, please and thank you:

    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/03/14/miscellaneous-topics-on-the-casey-anthony-case-part-5/#comment-18443

  1217. FRG said, on March 21, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Spector Judge: Defense Forensic Expert Henry Lee Took Item From Scene
    Wednesday, May 23, 2007
    http://origin.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,274965,00.html
    Snip:
    “LOS ANGELES — The judge in Phil Spector’s murder trial ruled Wednesday that renowned forensic expert Dr. Henry Lee removed something from the scene where actress Lana Clarkson was shot and hid it from the prosecution.”

  1218. Doug Wollenburg said, on March 22, 2010 at 1:42 am

    Casey got her ABC blood money back when Caylee was missing…

    She played the missing child, innocent mom routine when the truth was she murdered her baby…

    Isn’t that Fraud?? She sold the pictures under a false pretense. Can’t ABC sue to get the money back??

  1219. heroesfan said, on March 22, 2010 at 4:14 am

    Radio Show Name:
    CASEY ANTHONY: BLOOD MONEY; IS THIS THE DEATH OF HER DEFENSE??

    Host Name: Steph Watts

    Date / Length: 3/21/2010 7:00 PM – 1 hr

    Description:
    Casey Anthony’s defense attorney Jose Baez was forced to reveal in court this week that he received $200,000 from ABC News. What does this mean for her defense and the future of the case??? How do you feel about news organizations paying for “images”, when the money is being used to defend an alleged murderer?? Due to the great response and shocking remarks by Rozzie Franco and Richard Hornsby on last weeks show they will be my guests again tomorrow night. Join us live with more insight into the defense of Casey Anthony. expand

    Category: Current Events
    Tags: Steph Watts Jose Baez Casey Anthomy Caylee Anthony ABC News

    Radio Blog Show link:
    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/03/22/watts-up-with-this

    *********************

    Richard Hornsby & Rozzi Franco were back Sunday. Michelle Bart who I put in the same category as Milsteads, Joy Wray, called in & spilled a little about Dominic Casey.

    According to Hornsby, BLOGGERS have made a difference in justice for Caylee!!

  1220. heroesfan said, on March 22, 2010 at 4:17 am

    Rozzi Franco discusses the $700,000 not $200,000 deal with ABC that was supposed to go down, according to her sources.

  1221. heroesfan said, on March 22, 2010 at 4:21 am

    While I’m no fan of Richard Hornsby he’s right about Baez doing “the duck & weave” when it comes to explaining the finances of how he’s been paid.

  1222. heroesfan said, on March 22, 2010 at 4:26 am

    One more thing Mason seems to have gotten on Hornsby’s bad side, lol. So of course Hornsby, pit bull that he is dug into Mason’s trial record & says every murder trial he’s tried, the defendant went to prison!

    If Hornsby messes with Bill Sheaffer, I’ll defend Mr. Sheaffer until my last breath. But if he wants to attack J. Cheney Mason, I say go for it!!

  1223. heroesfan said, on March 22, 2010 at 4:37 am

    Guys we can’t give up Steph Watts, Hornsby & Franco all say that BLOGGERS have made a huge difference in this case.

    It sort of got me out of a funk because it seems justice will never happen for Caylee. Now I think it will, one day..lol!

  1224. Power to the People said, on March 22, 2010 at 5:50 am

    Heroesfan

    Kudos fellow blogger for Team Caylee! Enough said, Mason et al is another hat in the ring. The list grows, but the posture remains…lol

    Precisely my points post the proceeding/assertion following the eleventh hour revelation of yet another pro bono! Per my talking point, when minority poster[s]
    refuse to do the own research….it stings.

  1225. Hazaka said, on March 22, 2010 at 7:54 am

    Maybe I missed it…. does anyone know …… where was Dr. Glass when she observed Casey’s body language…. was she in court, or review photos??

  1226. RS said, on March 22, 2010 at 8:00 am

    Glass watched video of Anthony in court…

    body language experts scour over video footage…..

    Not my thing, wouldn’t waste my time, but that is what they are trained to do….both in person and for sure videotape of people’s actions and reactions.

  1227. Hazaka said, on March 22, 2010 at 8:36 am

    RS — thanks …..

  1228. nom de plume said, on March 22, 2010 at 8:41 am

    Re: Dr. Lillian Glass – huh?

    Casey acted the way she always has in court. Preening herself like a fly (rubbing her hands and smoothing her hair), has always found a great deal of amusement at being the center of attention (oblivious to the fact that is is negative attention). She might very well be pleased with the new notch on her headboard, but I don’t see how one could tell from her behavior on this particular day.

  1229. Hazaka said, on March 22, 2010 at 9:36 am

    nom de plume said, on March 22, 2010 at 8:41 am
    Re: Dr. Lillian Glass – huh?

    Casey acted the way she always has in court. Preening herself like a fly (rubbing her hands and smoothing her hair), has always found a great deal of amusement at being the center of attention (oblivious to the fact that is is negative attention). She might very well be pleased with the new notch on her headboard, but I don’t see how one could tell from her behavior on this particular day.

    —————————
    Those gestures are all nervous affectations…… no preening…..

  1230. Diana said, on March 22, 2010 at 9:43 am

    I’d like to ask Hornsby HOW we bloggers have made a difference in justice for Caylee?

    Seems to me the defense is getting away with “murder” literally. Where’s that PROOF that the body was moved while Casey was in jail that was supposed to be disclosed by her (now defunked) crooked attorney? Shouldn’t Baez have to present that to the prosecution anyway? He is the lead attorney, so he would be privy to that important evidence…….I would think.

    When Casey Anthony walks into that cortroom SMILING…….I can just feel my blood boiling. I hope the jury feels the way I do when they look at that monster.

  1231. RS said, on March 22, 2010 at 10:05 am

    I think what hornsby is talking about is statements made with no backup, or even off-the-wall claims made without backup and bloggers call attention to those kind of things…or lies told

    Other than that, not sure what impact bloggers have had…not significant anyway…

  1232. PosterFormerlyKnownAsPrince said, on March 22, 2010 at 10:18 am

    CRAIG:

    Any word on when this week’s doc dump will be out?

    Thanks.

  1233. Snowy said, on March 22, 2010 at 11:12 am

    There is no doubt in my mind that Atty Baez knew going into this latest hearing that he could and would produce the proper ledgers for Judge Strictland. After all, he does retain an ‘ethics’ atty (does he pay him I wonder?) not to teach him to walk the straight and narrow, but rather how to skate on thin ice. He is a clever fellow.

  1234. amazed said, on March 22, 2010 at 11:30 am

    New day, same arguments. @Hazaka, how you can see Casey’s hand rubbing and stroking as nervous affectations is the way you see it. I see it as narcissism plain and simple. She touches herself, in my opinion of course, to draw attention to what she considers her selling point. Her interview in the interogation room tells it all. When left alone, the hair smoothed, the blouse pulled tighter to the body, all in preparation for the officer reentering the room. She truly believes that every man wants to have her, it’s how she got by her whole life. She remembers only what serves her well, George for instance, telling her SHE is the boss, the CEO, they all work for her. What a load of crap, but she laps it up as the true self entitled egotist she was raised to be. As far as the defense upholding the constitution, please point out to me where in our constitution it says that they are allowed to lie, manipulate evidence, falsely accuse others to get a fair trial for a client. Seems some of you only want to see the prosecution held to a higher code of conduct.

  1235. Hazaka said, on March 22, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    amazed said, ————– each to his or her own…… I see those gestures as nerves …… based on exprience with a family member …who, when in her “bad” emtional state couldn’t stop playing with her eyebrows… touching her hair… rubbing her hands —- nerves, sheer nerves which could not be controlled at those times….

  1236. amazed said, on March 22, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Yes, everyone has their own take, however, Casey displayed no nervousness while sparring with LE hours into her trip of lies around Orlando. She never lost her cool when ADMITTING to police that gee no, I really don’t have an office here. She never worked up a sweat or showed any nervousness when barking out orders to her parents in the jail videos, not a trace of it in her voice making demands for her lovers phone number, stating that all anyone cares about is Caylee. So how come ALL of a sudden she’s poor nervous little Caseyin court? I don’t believe it for a minute. Sh’e stimulated by this somehow, and is almost sexually excited, but nerves? Never.

  1237. Diana said, on March 22, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    She’s not nervous at all. She feels in control and all the focus is on HER…finally. The only time I saw her act nervous was when she did her little rehearsed “I wish I was a better friend bit”. Her voice was shaky.

    I thought we would get a new doc. dump today. I read that somewhere.

  1238. FRG said, on March 22, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    Hello everybody!!!
    Just heard on WFTV news that new docs will be released tomorrow!!!

  1239. BEES KNEES said, on March 22, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    Nervous? No. Casey has ice water flowing through her veins.

  1240. heroesfan said, on March 22, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    Most of you are right, bloggers make little difference. I want to make the best of a bleak situation. The whole Anthony family might get away with murder, literally. It makes my blood boil, trying not to get disgusted beyond hope.

    But I do think G & C put on a front & things have to be horrible behind closed doors. We know control freak Cindy reads the blogs & it kills her that she can’t stop it.

    Casey nerves Hazaka, you are joking..right? Sociopath lives in la la land…she’s primping & enjoying every minute of the limelight. There’s a photo of her at Lillian Glass where she was smiling so much, Baez told her to stop.

    She’s got this sh** eating grin I’d like to slap off her face…what in the hell is so damn funny? I know…Mr. Fun Mason convinced Casey she’ll walk.

  1241. heroesfan said, on March 22, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    Why does Casey ignore her parents..they are literally all she has? No friends except the passing of notes to other murderers, even Lee deserted her.

    Look what they get for their troubles covering up her murder, of their grandchild. This family is beyond comprehension. Cindy & George are foul but you’d think she’d at least look their way. They were pitifully rejected trying to get acknowleged, a smile or nod from Caey..she does it on purpose.

  1242. heroesfan said, on March 22, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    FRG said, on March 22, 2010 at 4:17 pm Hello everybody!!!
    Just heard on WFTV news that new docs will be released tomorrow!!!

    ________________________

    I don’t get my hopes up anymore. But what else could it be, more forensics. At least the state is thorough.

  1243. BEES KNEES said, on March 22, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    Heroes, I’m not so sure about bloggers not making a difference. I think we do, if for no other reason than to keep Caylee’s memory alive. With the exception of the State, we are the only ones that keep her little face front and centre where it belongs. If it wasn’t for us who would? Sad, but true.

    I wish you could slap Casey’s smack-me face. She was totally excited with her new legal saviour on Thursday, wasn’t she? She was just tickled pink! That’s okay. It’ll make it that much tougher on her once she’s convicted. You know, dangle that freedom under her murderous nose and then take it away!

    I think Casey just LOVES punishing her parents, that’s why she won’t look at them. I’m sure she holds them completely responsible for being in jail. And to think they are making money from the case must just kill her.

    I still look forward to doc dumps even though the latest ones are stuff we already know.

  1244. judypc said, on March 22, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    heroesfan:

    I understand the new doc dump will have joy wrays statement about her supposed search.
    And Tim Millers searchers statements.

  1245. judypc said, on March 22, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    John Morgan put the SMACK DOWN on em pretty good today.

    Bet team jose’ just hates that man lol.

    Morgan put jose on the wittness list along with River & her sister lol.
    Every single person on the murder wit list is on Johns lol.

  1246. Hazaka said, on March 23, 2010 at 7:14 am

    judypc said, on ———————- missed it all…. how so?????

  1247. Hazaka said, on March 23, 2010 at 8:53 am

    Hi y’all…………… everyone “sleeping in” this morning????

  1248. Diana said, on March 23, 2010 at 10:04 am

    waitin for the doc. dump. yawn

  1249. Diana said, on March 23, 2010 at 10:52 am

    *Bees

    I agree. I think by the bloggers picking apart, comparing, watching every move the lawyers make has to have an impact of some kind. There are some really bright bloggers on this site who don’t miss a beat.

  1250. heroesfan said, on March 23, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Wray also said California bounty hunter Leonard Padilla had threatened to kill her and her children “if she testified.”

    •Wray said she was a spy for “President Bush.”
    •Wray identified herself as a spy and said she’s taken photos by hanging in trees.

    —————————————

    Please let the defense use her as a witness.

  1251. heroesfan said, on March 23, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Joy Wray remains an unsympathetic character to me. She’s a loon…but refuses her medication.

    She’s manipulative & knows how to spin a tale when it suits her. Like the Anthonys she’s a pathological liar who knows right from wrong.

    Why did she go to Best Buy to get incriminating images removed? Because she knew they’d be inspected by detectives & damage her claims of covering for the baby killer.

    Best Buy called authorities, she’s crazy…like a fox & attempts to cover herself.

  1252. heroesfan said, on March 23, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Meant to say…why did she go to Best Buy to get incriminating images removed from her computer?

    She knows what she’d doing…deceitful.

  1253. Scotswoman said, on March 23, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Heroes

    Agreed……….I think Joy plays “crazy” when it suits her.

  1254. pinky said, on March 23, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    so they showed a blog post from joy. now why would she have the blog host call her, was he in with her? Or just egging her on? everyone has an agenda with this case. And IMO its not good ones.

  1255. silverbullit said, on March 23, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    I’ve read most of the docs from today and I am more convinced than ever that Casey is guilty. The cast of characters in this just get crazier and crazier! I think before this is over with, Florida will have to build a new prison just to hold everyone inovled!

  1256. BEES KNEES said, on March 23, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Joy Wray is busting at the seams with crazy!

  1257. sterling1462 said, on March 23, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    What is with George Anthony staying at the holiday inn where the TES and Tim M. were staying….. why?

    How did LE keep from cracking up when Joy Wray said she was a spy from the President?

    And why did they not baker Act her when she made the spy remarks?

    And who was it that was wondering why George parked his truck at on location… and was this location within walking distance of his Mistress?

  1258. Scotswoman said, on March 23, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Joy claims she is terminally ill…………

    Terminally ill, terminally crazy or terminally devious?

  1259. frankie said, on March 23, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    At first I felt sorry for JW thinking she was some poor soul the anthonys were taking advantage of. I have changed my mind. This bat sh!t crazy broad needs to make up her mind what kind of crazy she is. She is either crazy fearless traipsing around in dense, overgrown, rattlesnake infested FL wild being chased by a crazed child killer dragging her own children and another unnamed child with her or she is the fragile woman afraid of a minor needle prick and a few electo leads she portrays in the above posted video. She IS crazy…..but that would be crazy for attention.

    DCF needs to check on the well being of those children….NOW!!!!!!

  1260. frankie said, on March 23, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    I want to know who that other “minor” was as well. That child’s parents should know better than to allow a child to go unaccompanied with this woman.

  1261. NosyParker said, on March 24, 2010 at 1:17 am

    I know I sound really, really mean but I think the Lupus has gone to her brain. This lady needs to be monitored and her children’s well-being checked out. It was unbelievable to see her involving herself with the murder of Caylee, but to think that she has her own vulnerable little children under her care is scary. IMO.

  1262. Hazaka said, on March 24, 2010 at 7:26 am

    Just for information ……. one aspect of Lupus is …… psychosis….

  1263. talking2much said, on March 24, 2010 at 9:26 am

    I had not seen that video of Joy but have seen several others. My conclusion is this is someone in need of constant attention, to the point of making pointless videos discussing every inane aspect of her life.

    I agree with above posts, someone should be looking after her kids, as she is obviously very busy spying for the Pres and Geo while making videos…..where are these three little kids during this time?

  1264. amazed said, on March 24, 2010 at 9:33 am

    She (JW) is certainly a pitiable woman, but she has choosen to put herself in the middle of all things Anthony. I am sure she will be defended elsewhere, and stumble thorough her life thinking of herself as a celebrity. Kind of like George & Cindy. The people who need to be given a break are this womans poor children. All kinds of people have become instant celebrities by injecting themselves into this case and becoming the know all authorities of all facts and information. I guess she’s as entitled to write her book as much as any blogger should be.

  1265. FRG said, on March 24, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Snip:
    Casey Anthony: ABC News gets drubbing for $200,000 payment
    posted by halboedeker on March, 24 2010 2:33 PM
    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/03/casey-anthony-abc-news-gets-drubbing-for-200000-payment.html

  1266. Ina said, on March 24, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    How can Casey earn 200.000 dollar from ABC if she is not allowed to earn by crime, according to the Son of Sam law?

  1267. amazed said, on March 24, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Hi Ina,

    It’s after you are convicted of a crime I think. She still has to stand trial. Although I feel there should be a law, especially after THIS family’s disgusting grifting wherein the family of the accussed, or the accused cannot be allowed to in essence have the victim paying for the defense of her accused murderer. I am sure that some people will still find some sympathy for George and Cindy, but I sure won’t be on that side of the room!!

  1268. amazed said, on March 24, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    I forgot to add, that if we are going to be real, Casey never EARNED a dime, even though she enjoys tremendously hearing the lawyers say that she “paid” them $111,000.00.

  1269. Ina said, on March 24, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Hallo amazed. She was convicted of check fraud and Baez was the lawyer being payed from that money at that time of conviction?

  1270. Ina said, on March 24, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    But the money was payed earlier. I see. :) It is late here, so I am not that clever.

  1271. amazed said, on March 24, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    I would assume that they probably lumped in her theft trial with all the other investigative work they claim to have done for the murder trial. I hope someone on the prosecutors are clever, it would be horrible for her to get away with this crime.

  1272. Doug Wollenburg said, on March 24, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    With every release of information we see that Cindy has Hindered, Obstructed, Tampered and Purjured almost every aspect of this case, and She has more than likely committed several forms of Domestic Violence (abuse) against George to get him on board and following the “story”.

    That household must have been hell…

    If, at the end of this, Cindy isn’t charged…Then there will need to be a recall on the Public Officals and a demand of WHY ??

  1273. judypc said, on March 24, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    Doug Wollenburg: 6:14 pm

    You are 100 perdent right on Cindy, but I believe it is to late to charge her now on those past crimes.

    Unless she has a Perjury charge against her at trial then I believe she is going to skate away free as a bird.

  1274. silverbullit09 said, on March 24, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    I think LE and prosecutors are giving Cindy plenty of rope to hang herself with and she appears to be doing a good job. I think Cindy will explode on the witness stand–much much worse than in the Morgan depo and I predict George will finally have a “real” meltdown.

  1275. Scotswoman said, on March 24, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    After reading the latest and very informative round of transcripts, I dont think its a stretch to believe OCSD/SAO are actively investigating the Anthonys and possibly the practices of a certain PI from Chicago.

    With talk of questionable TES paperwork and thousands given by some kind hearted widow, it seems the net is wide. So, could possible charges range from fraud to obstruction of justice to fabricating evidence. The alledged widow’s benvolence also imo gives some credence to River Cruz’s claim that she did indeed give ole George significant amounts of cash during their……. hmm, relationship?

    Ofcourse suspicions and making charges stick are are two VERY different things…….but its clear imho that OCSD are at least trying.

    **Courtesy of the Andrea Lyon website
    http://www.law.depaul.edu/centers_institutes/cjcc/

    Defense Investigation Certificate

    “In order to become a more diligent investigator, it’s important to learn the skills necessary to better support the defense team or even direct an investigation. With topics ranging from conducting witness interviews to testifying, the Defense Investigation Certificate investigator knowledge needed for:” etc etc

    ~

    Now Mortimer Smith may still be learning his craft…………or he may be just so bad at sleuthing that he believes everything Leonard Padilla and Laura Buchanan tell him. lol

  1276. BB said, on March 24, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    SS needs to be here on Bill Sheaffers blog, she criticizes Craig, says he keeps all the chafe.
    What fun her
    and her friends have, can’t even keep their gossip in her own blog. Oh, Soooooo much fun could be here, if Craig would just turn it all over to them. Want some wheat?

  1277. BB said, on March 25, 2010 at 1:13 am

    Craig, delete comment 3/24 @ 11.54 pm. Chaff is mispelled, not mine. Thanks.

    Today i heard a psychiatrist state that a sociopath does not know right from wrong
    Anyone believe it? Casey is said to be a sociopath what is anyone’s thought on this
    statement by the Dr.

  1278. kelly said, on March 25, 2010 at 1:51 am

    BB said, on March 24, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    ***************
    I saw that, some people need attention again. It’s getting real creepy, did you see the image of that guy & article? Something about it didn’t sit right with me. Like someone gets a perverse pleasure in writing about sickos. Ignore them, that’s what they hate worse than anything, really dank, disgusting place.

  1279. Heroesfan said, on March 25, 2010 at 2:06 am

    What is Leonard Padilla’s problem? I learned one thing about Leonard recently & that is he could care less about Caylee’s death or how she suffered. He’s in it for numero uno & makes me sick calling tim Miller a liar.

    As if he is the be all, end all to all things that went on in the Anthony home, he’s not. He was kicked out even faster than Tim Miller & never slept inside so how the hell can he deny that Tim asked Casey to mark the X on the map & claim it never happened.

    I believe it did because of the occurances at the hotel afterward & the witnesses that saw George lurching around the hotel & Tim Miller being very upset with Cindy for stopping Casey j& throwing everyone out the house.

    Leonard Padilla is no better then the Milsteads, Joy Wray, Dominic Casey all the leeches looking for blood money & their 15 minutes of fame.

    I’m kelly above go by that name on another wordpress blog & forgot to change it. I should have not commented on ‘there’ but whatever…it’s true.

  1280. craigatwftv said, on March 25, 2010 at 6:46 am

    If there are issues I need to be aware of, please EMAIL me: craig.mazer@wftv.com

  1281. FRG said, on March 25, 2010 at 7:39 am

    Good morning everybody!!!!
    Indignity
    Posted on March 24th, 2010 by JWG
    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/03/24/indignity/

  1282. Hazaka said, on March 25, 2010 at 8:17 am

    FRG said —————— morning ….. thanks for the link……. looked at it again and again…. and it seems a stretch to me….

  1283. amazed said, on March 25, 2010 at 9:17 am

    @BB

    I believe that Casey is a sociopath, but I don’t believe that they don’t know wrong from right. They live their entire lives conforming to most rules and laws, because they know that it is the correct way to do things. They choose to veer off the “right” course when it suits them. By living by the rules, they keep themselves out there as normal law abiding citizens, they simply have urges that they act on, whereas most of us, while sometimes feeling deep hatred or jealousy or desire towards another person, stop ourselves from crossing the line. We know it is wrong, so we deal with it in other ways. A sociopath, follows the urge to kill, rape, steal etc, even though they know it is wrong, because they think they are smart enough to get away with it.Ted Bundy is a perfect example, he worked in a police call center of some sort, but did what he chose to do undercover of darkness, because he felt so superior he thought he would never get caught. This is just my own opinion, and I am sure lots will disagree, but I honestly believe that they (sociopaths) know right from wrong. It’s their arrogance and sense of self entitlement that gets them to cross the line.

    If they didn’t know it is wrong, why cover it up? Makes you wonder how long till Cindy veers off the path!!

  1284. Diana said, on March 25, 2010 at 9:34 am

    *Heroesfan

    You are “spot on” with your thoughts about Leanard Padilla. But..in his own way, without him knowing or trying…….he has HELPED this case. Think about Casey…….. out on bond. Tha’s when the J Blanchard Park all came about. Another lie. That’s when she would not even utter Caylees name ONCE. We wouldn’t have Cindy at her finest……screaming at protesters and swinging a hammer, and calling Casey Mother of the year.
    Also…….the very very TELLING search of the lake that Leonard conducted that Casey shrugged off because she KNEW Caylee was not there.

    So……he inserted himself into this case for attention, (and I used to like him), but actually has helped the prosecution by showing what kind of monster/liar/horrible actress Casey really is.

  1285. Diana said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:13 am

    *Amazed

    Casey can’t even pretend to have normal reactions and emotions. It’s obvious that she’s not playing with a full deck.

    Why would an attorney fight to free her? She is definately a danger to society. Anyone know if there are drugs for this? Shock treatment? Also……..I’m wondering why Baez doesn’t give Casey something before court (no….not that :) ) to calm her down, like a Zoloft or something. That way she could at least APPEAR normal.

  1286. Thinker Belle said, on March 25, 2010 at 11:08 am

    I haven’t observed any outrageous behavior exhibited by CA while in the courtroom. For Baez to administer drugs to his client would be illegal at best, unethical to say the least. Certainly he is much smarter and much different than many online commenters who like to share their medical expertise. : mr green:

  1287. Thinker Belle said, on March 25, 2010 at 11:11 am

    :mrgreen:

  1288. amazed said, on March 25, 2010 at 11:33 am

    @ Diana,

    I agree about her courtroom behavior, as it is outrageous to be grinning and smirking when you are sitting in a court of law charged with the murder of your child. Her reaction when Mr. Ashton gave his theory on the last moments of Caylees life was anger, not grief. Oh and guilty knowledge was a reaction also, as she immediately went to rubbing her wrists when he spoke of Caylee being restrained. I still believe she totally knows wrong from right, and just doesn’t care about rules. They don’t apply to her, as they obviously don’t apply to the rest of the Anthony family.

    I also was a Padilla fan after he withdrew the bond, and I was probably more than a little convinced that there was a “daisy chain”. However, I now only see wierdness in him, and his evasive actions are more than a little creepy.

  1289. Hazaka said, on March 25, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Yoo Hoo —————- NO NIC … WHERE ARE YOU?????? :-)

  1290. Anonymous said, on March 25, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Hazaka,

    If you go up to the post listed below and click on No Nic’s name on the post below, I think you will find him.

    ♣ No Nic ♣ said, on March 20, 2010 at 4:54 pm

  1291. BB said, on March 25, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Amazed and Diana, Casey obviously has some issue which leaves her with no sympathetic emotion, only anger, I have heard it referred to as having no feelings and wonder if anger does not come under the category of feelings. The discussion I referred to was on the Joy Behar show. It was a surprised about the right and wrong comment by the Dr. You both make good points. Learned behavior such as driving, following the rules in “mechanical performances”, without compassion. I speak of her many relatonships with men, she performed, but lacked attachment on her part, no emotional warmth, as it certainly was not for Caylee. Such a personality is not an act, it is almost pitiful, but never excuses doing harm to a baby or another person. I have wondered if Casey herself feels physical pain, usually they react with fear at the thought of physical pain on themselves.

  1292. amazed said, on March 25, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    @bb I agreee that she definetly has some mental issues, and that she is sociopathic, I still believe that they do know right from wrong though. You are probably correct about hr reacting to thoughts of anything happening to her, it’s the only time she has cried ever. “She is someones daughter too” per Baez on her arrest date for themurder. Big boo hoos that day, but only regarding herself. This is all so complicated, it could drive a sane person nuts trying to figure it out!!

  1293. Hazaka said, on March 25, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Anonymous ————- Hi — just got back in…………. thanks…but..so, which post …the one on March 20th???

  1294. Doug Wollenburg said, on March 25, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Casey is a Sociopath (I mean no offense to all other Sociopaths, I’m not calling any of you all a Casey, so please don’t visit me), she was always looking (Hunting) for victims (what she calls friends).
    And like a Hunter, she tried to blend in with her surroundings to allow her to get close to her friends. and when she is found out (seen) she’ll move on to new Hunting Grounds (friends).
    Caylee was starting to spoil the Hunt…And her family wasn’t playing along anymore and this was destroying her “FUN”. And then she just…

    “SNAPPED”

    And now “Her whole life has been taken from her”

    Poor Casey, If only she could have been “A better friend”.

  1295. Scotswoman said, on March 25, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    I googled the term, “narcisistic sociopath” And from the numerous entries I checked out, the common traits seem to be extreme vanity, conceit,selfishness. They are devoid of empathy for others and have no conscience. They do not experience
    remorse. Self interest is paramount. Sociopaths are often pathological liars. They are often prone to great fits of rage and impulsive acts.

    Sociopathy is considered a dissociative disorder that results in anti-social behavior.

    I’d say Casey Anthony has ALL the markers of a narcisistic sociopath. I think she’s as close as textbook as you will ever see.

    The concensus of opinion seems to be that this condition is not treatable and it is a truly miserable existence for the sufferer.

    It seems the jury is out as to whether they are born or made.

    Noteable sociopaths…….Diane Downs, Ted Bundy, Scott Peterson

    I would love to know the results of the mental health evaluation ordered by Judge Strickand.

  1296. amazed said, on March 25, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Casey indeed has all these traits, and I would bet the farm her testing says so too. The only thing I don’t totally agree with is the part where the sufferer is truly having a miserable existence. They are the center of the universe in their opinions and take what they will when they will, including lives of the poor souls who come in contact with them. Casey seemed pretty happy rubbing her hands together like Wimpy, waiting for her cheeseburger.

  1297. Scotswoman said, on March 25, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Amazed

    Yes I agree with you as far as it refers to Casey.

    And I guess to be labelled a sociopath you dont necessarily need to meet EVERY one of the many traits the pundits list. She does seem to tick more boxes than not.

  1298. nom de plume said, on March 25, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Scotswoman – sorry, it was not clear to me in your post if you are or are not aware that at one point Casey’s own mother called her a sociopath. (Just FYI)

  1299. Diana said, on March 25, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Oh yes *Thinkerbell

    And we all KNOW Baez would NEVER do anything unethical. What a trip to be that miserable.

  1300. Diana said, on March 25, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    also: Casey Anthony sitting there in the courtroom giggling when they are discussing the murder of her daughter IS OUTRAGEOUS!! Sorry for anyone who thinks thats normal behavior.

  1301. Thinker Belle said, on March 25, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    The last I saw KC, the discussion pertained to the issue of indigence and a new lawyer being added to the team. What a trip to be that DENSE, I suppose. JMO as always

  1302. Diana said, on March 25, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Yeah….Just YOUR opinion which means SQUAT to me and everyone else who knows you on blogs, and that includes the ones who banned you.

    Casey Anthony is charged with MURDER. I see nothing amusing about that.

  1303. Thinker Belle said, on March 25, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    Alrightythen, my opinion means nothing to you, so, you and, cough, et al, shouldn’t worry two much about what I am THINKING,eh?

  1304. Thinker Belle said, on March 25, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    also: you do find it amusing, why else would you follow it so closely and base your friendships upon this case?

  1305. BB said, on March 25, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Scotswoman, i have wondered about a professional mental health evaluation too.
    So there is one held by the judge, didn’t know that, interesting!

  1306. frankie said, on March 25, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    I do not see casey’s behavior at any time during this entire case as normal. What normal person would literally poke her eyes to manufacture tears when the case is about her DEAD child? A normal person would not need to hurt herself, she would be sobbing uncontrollably. NO TEARS, from any anthony for Caylee…not cindy, not george, not lee and certainly not casey. That alone is abnormal and I could go on for hours. but we are talking specifically about her behavior at the hearings. Even when bozo is putting on his very best performances, I have not found anything amusing about any of the hearings..never once laughed or smiled when observing the proceedings. So pray tell, what does the mother find so amusing. cindy acts like she is at a social gathering and george is just ddddduuuuuuhhhhhh, as usual. Nope, nothing normal here.

  1307. cjk said, on March 25, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Mr. Shaeffer,
    Do you believe the story about the map and George asking KC to put an X on it as to where they ahould start searching for Caylee?

    Do you belive that the FBI enhanced photo of a child in the fetal position is conclusive?

    Do you think there is something in KC’s letters to the other inmate that she wrote contains information that only the murderer(KC) would know?

    I hope you can address these questions, as I value your input.

    Thank You

  1308. Thinker Belle said, on March 25, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Frankie, or anyone else in the Orlando area, could you check on this person…sounds urgent.

    Check this out:
    http://twitter.com/RiverC01

    This is way overboard to get news coverage, win a case, or anything else for that matter. Though I don’t agree with her methods of child recovery, her life may be in danger now.

  1309. Heroesfan said, on March 25, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    Dr. Lillian Glass
    3/25/2010

    Did George’s Defensive Body Language and Cindy’s WOODS Comment Early On Indicate They May Have Known Caylee Was Already Dead When People Searched For Her?
    _______________

    If what River Cruz says is true, then I believe Cindy & George should be punished to the full extent of the law & serve a prison term along with their daughter.

    Out of the blue Cindy says “ George & I don’t believe Caylee is in the WOODS … you know out there.” Why in the world would she be talking about THE WOODS of all things during those early days? Her “you know” is an attempt to backtrack, verbally. Why would ANYONE suspect Caylee was in the WOODS when people were looking everywhere for Caylee? Did Cindy know when she gave that interview that Caylee was already dead in the WOODS?

    full story:
    http://drlillianglass.com/

  1310. Heroesfan said, on March 25, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    Dr. Lillian Glass
    3/24/2010

    Casey Anthony’s” All Smiles” Body Language Shows She’s Feeling Confident With New Lawyer Cheney Mason on Team While Jose Baez ‘s Body Language Shows Some Distancing
    __________________

    One of the things we often see with Casey’s body language is her grooming behavior. She is always brushing herself off.

    When someone is SHOWING DECEPTION they often do this. It is also a signal to psychologically clean one’s self off. Perhaps it’s her way of cleaning herself off for doing the DIRTY DEED OF KILLING CAYLEE.

    JOSE BAEZ MUST HAVE TOLD HER TO STOP THE SMILING

    Jose Baez must have noticed that his client was smiling so much and acting way too happy so he whispered something to her like “ stop smiling”.
    Casey tried to oblige, but she just couldn’t shake that Cheshire cat grin off her face.

    http://drlillianglass.com/

  1311. Thinker Belle said, on March 25, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    Okay, I probably wouldn’t click on that link either, so, here is what is says:

    # SUICIDE PACT!!! about 5 hours ago via web
    # I CANT TAKE THIS ANYMORE NOONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT ITS LIKE TO B CONSTENTLY CALLED A LIAR AND B TORN APART BY THE MEDIA about 5 hours ago via web

  1312. Heroesfan said, on March 25, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    If River does harm herself & I hope she doesn’t then it’s another Anthony casualty. One more life dragged through the mud, ruined..how many people framed for kidnapping, murder, reputations ruined, fired from jobs?

    This time it could end in another death…a suicide for these sewer rats who couldn’t tell the truth if their lives depended on it & would rather blame others for murder & all their troubles…pathetic. Sounds like River needs help…mental evaluation asap.

  1313. frankie said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    TB: I clicked…don’t know what one would do about it though.

  1314. Heroesfan said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    The sewer rats are the Anthony’s & all their cohorts…not River & I hope her sister or someone is with her right now. I

    I think she lied about some things, never did expose the photos of George proving an affair. But sounds like she’s not able to deal with the scrutiny of the public.

  1315. Thinker Belle said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    Well, Frankie, if you feel comfortable, perhaps calling the local police would be in order, they’d know what to do. I am concerned since she used the word “pact” and she has children. Please, do contact someone,ANYONE!!! Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the River Cruz that everyone has been talking about, you know, the “mistress.”

  1316. frankie said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    I agree with Heroesfan. River made a really bad error in having anything to do with an anthony, however, I can see where a sympathetic woman might get drawn in to george’s pity party and manipulation. Lots of people expressed a belief in george early on and felt sorry for him. Personally, I have always thought he was creepy, but I have been accused of being “hard” on people. I feel sorry for her though, unless it can be shown that she is lying and is in on the conspiracy to cover for casey.

  1317. frankie said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    WFTV reporting River did attempt suicide, but she is OK

  1318. Diana said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    *Frankie

    That was my point. Casey Anthony is NOT normal. And for anyone who thinks she is must have their own issues. Laughing in a courtroom when you are sitting there charged with murdering your own child is sick behavior.

  1319. frankie said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    Actually they are reporting that her condition is unknown, but her sister has taken her to a hospital

  1320. frankie said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    I understood you Diana, I was agreeing with you.

  1321. frankie said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    ^^^road^^^

  1322. Thinker Belle said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Thank you, frankie. Since I don’t live there, I’m not in the know. Glad she is okay. I have no idea what the local media coverage has been like and how that has affected her. Just found that browsing online, and, I did check news coverage first, nothing came up.

    Once again, thank you, frankie.

  1323. frankie said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    OT: Craig…could you let Tom T know the glasses are spiffy! Love em!

  1324. Thinker Belle said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    Frankie, there is still nothing online that I can find. How long ago did they become aware of her situation? Are her children okay? Just curious.

  1325. Heroesfan said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    I agree with Dr. Lillian Glass that Casey’s behavior is abnormal in court, that of a sociopath & miscreant.

    Dr. Julianne Mitchell a licensed therapist wrote an article in Aug. 2008 & evaluated Casey’s behavior from police interviews & court as a narcissistic sociopath with unmanageable anger, delusions of grandeur, with empty soulless eyes.

    I revisited that article & it’s as relevant in Casey’s behavior now as it was 2 yrs. ago. She attempts to mimic normal feelings & human reactions, but fails to do that convincingly. She has no real friends, just uses them up then discards when she’s done.

    There’s no one home, nothing in there.

  1326. frankie said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    You’re welcome. I sincerely hope she does not harm herself. The anthony’s have caused enough damage already.

  1327. frankie said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    TB: That’s all they reported

    Heroes: That is a good description I think. It would explain why she moved in and out of various groups of friends. I remember several friends saying she had moved on to another group. She takes on different roles as her life situation changes. She was gangsta when arrested, hottie when ^5ing lee, school marm when arrested the second time, then young professional when at the defense table with jose. Now she is trying on innocent young MOTY! LOL is that Mother of the Year, Mutha of the Year, or Murderess of the Year?

  1328. Diana said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    *heroesfan

    With all the hours Baez has logged in with Casey, I would think he would tell her how to ACT in court. It’s like she just can’t control herself.

    Reminds me of Diane Downs (another child murderer) who drummed the desk in court when they played “Hungry like the wolves” her favorite song that she played while shooting her children.

  1329. Heroesfan said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    I said I hope River gets help & the Anthonys have caused more grief upon another victime. I never called river names but I did say the Anthonys are sewer rats because they are, worse actually.

    Thinker has been misconstruing lots of things lately, jeez!

  1330. Thinker Belle said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Thanks Frankie. I was extremely excited when I saw that message…hope you understand.

  1331. frankie said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Heroes: IDK. I thought maybe she misunderstood your post about the sewer rats. Maybe she thought you were calling River a sewer rat as she seems genuinely concerned about River.

  1332. Heroesfan said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    I’m going to watch tv..I feel for River & view her as not totally innocent in whatever may have went on…but another victim of the Anthonys nonetheless. I hope she gets the help she needs.

  1333. Diana said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    Must be “your turn” *Heroesfan

    I had mine already a few posts ago with her. You did nothing wrong. She’s the reason some won’t even post on this blog.

  1334. Heroesfan said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    I think so too frankie & I’d never be that heartless. River is not a killer or someone who’s involved in a cover-up for a baby killer. I only reserve the worst descriptions for those types of people & we know who they are.

    I’m angry because imo river is another victim, life ruined by the Anthonys, even if she’s partially to blame by getting involved with these poisonous lepers, she never met true evil until them I’m sure. No one is prepared when they cross paths with sinister Casey, Cindy & George even Lee.

  1335. Heroesfan said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    I saw that Diana & thought what, you are such a lady & don’t deserve to be attacked! bbl…

  1336. Heroesfan said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    But..maybe I came on too strong & ThinkerBell got offended. If so I’m sorry & really wish the best for River’s health mentally & psychically. I know she has seizures & all this stress can’t be helping.

  1337. frankie said, on March 25, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    I had a brief conversation with a 20 year old young lady today. I said to her that as a mother, I could not imagine walking away from my baby and that, if for some reason I was forced to do so, that I would without fail pay child support. She surprised me by saying that I had no idea how young women were today and that most could care less about their children. I guess the world is now a place that I cannot understand. God help us all.

    I hope everyone has a wonderful evening. Good night.

  1338. Heroesfan said, on March 25, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    I know… I was a divorced young Mother with a little baby boy once. It was so hard, I got little support from the father, my family, anyone. But if anything it made me more protective & closer to my son.

    We over came so much together. I can’t imagine hurting your child, I know I’d still give my life for my son. Now they abandon them, throw then in the woods, dumpsites like trash & the lawyers make sure they ‘have their rights’ if they are punished at all. It’s indeed a different world…sad for children.

    I think of Casey, then Elizabeth Johnson’s little 1 year old son adorable Gabriel, how hungry, miserable dirty he was when their babysitter saw him right before he went ‘missing’. All he wanted was for the sitter to hold & cuddle him.

    Now Elizabeth sits in jail like a spoiled brat & refuses to go to court to cooperate & I think how could she, how could anyone defend her?
    But that’s just me.

  1339. judypc said, on March 26, 2010 at 8:11 am

    frankie:

    Many young girls today have children because they think it is the “cool” thing to do.

    Of course after they have the child they do not have the emotional maturity to know how to care for the child, if there are not family members who take over the care these children are neglected and abused.

    In many aspects this is where I blame Cindy for Caylees fate, she insisted that Casey keep her child, knowing she did not want the baby, also knowing Casey was not stable enough emotionally to care for her child.

    Cindy started out being the one to care for Caylee, but then grew tired of the task and pushed Casey to mother her child, what we see is the end result of those actions.

    You do not use a baby to force a person to grow up, the baby ends up paying for that bad decision.

  1340. judypc said, on March 26, 2010 at 8:17 am

    Seems yet another victim can be added to the Anthony list.

    I will say prayers for River and hope she gets the help she needs to put this behind her.
    What ever the course of events were that placed her in the midst of the Anthony chaos she now must take a stand for her own well-being.

  1341. amazed said, on March 26, 2010 at 8:39 am

    Diana, so as not to be taken the wrong way, I do NOT think Casey is normal. I think she is a sociopath, and I am aware that that makes her not normal. MY point of view however is that her mental affliction does not keep her from knowing right from wrong. As I said earlier, if a sociopath doesn’t know if its right or wron, why do it undercover of darkness, or where you know it won’t be witnessed. If it’s not wrong why hide it? Now a psychotic, that’s another story.

  1342. denjet said, on March 26, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Hearing about River today made me so feel so sorry for her … regardless of poor choices she’s made, I felt sympathy for her everytime I read comments bashing her and calling her a liar … she didn’t ask to be drawn into this mess and one thing I DO believe is LE sought HER out … I hope she finds strength to get through this somehow and know that she will be vindicated in the end … I think it would be a good idea for people that have been thrown under the bus by the Anthonys to start their own support group and realize they’re not alone … the longer this case goes on, the bigger this group of people gets and the more lives dragged through the mud … My prayers go out to her and her family and all of the other people suffering at the hands (and mouths) of the Anthonys …

  1343. Hazaka said, on March 26, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Gee — folks …. no one has seen the “evidence” that River, Skye or whomever “has” ….. she has not been interviewed, just her younger twin sister…… do I smell a fake??

  1344. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on March 26, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Good Morning:

    ThoughtElf…over on WSleuths. My schedule is crazy, I will stop in over the weekend.
    I will find you, my registered [user] name is not ARAW.

  1345. Snowy said, on March 26, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Hazaka – I may be smelling a little something. Incomplete conversations (George told me it was an accident yet I didn’t inquire\Casey was home yet we never asked) and self-destruction (how convenient medical records are confidental and we will never really know) seem both a common theme the family has been running with – maybe to help point a defense finger more towards an accidental death rather than murder. If River’s claim becomes true and we believe she is telling the truth about this alleged affair, then we must also believe that George confessed that Caylee’s death was an accident. This can only help Casey and the defense. And I am still on the fence about Casey.

  1346. Scotswoman said, on March 26, 2010 at 10:48 am

    We must rub shoulders every day with people who could be deemed sociopathic. Not all sociopaths murder or even break the law.

    From what I have read about the condition, they do clearly know right from wrong but the way their head is wired up means they just dont care about others. They are incapable of feeling remorse or guilt.

    Like every condition there are degrees and boundaries……. that some will cross and some not.

    Casey Anthony has demonstrated she will cross the most depraved boundaries.

  1347. Doug Wollenburg said, on March 26, 2010 at 11:24 am

    The thing about suicides that I learned as an EMT years ago is this…If you really want to die, you kill yourself. Anything else is a 1) a cry for help 2)you want attention. When you call out like this, I see it as wanting attention, otherwise her body would’ve been found. It’s like George’s so-called attempt, Texting and pills…What a coincident…I don’t think so, she did what George did, again, what a coincident.

  1348. Doug Wollenburg said, on March 26, 2010 at 11:33 am

    What happened when George faked his attempt and Cindy said she thought about it…They still get Media attention, but the Media no longer hounds you, no longer asks the hard questions…After all they don’t want to push you over the edge, just in case you are nuts. So you get the attention you want wiyhout having to answer any questions.

  1349. Myrtle Beach said, on March 26, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Cruz/Holloway supposedly has a para medic background. She didn’t have to go on Twitter or any other sites. She didn’t have to have her sister as her PR rep. – they could have gone home and closed the door on this. She may have been duped by G. A., but given her history, she should have been too savvy. She may have an agenda we can’t even begin to guess about – but who cares? She may be dumber than a box of rocks, but I doubt it. Contact an Anthony and suffer the consequences. Look what happened to Caylee.

  1350. Myrtle Beach said, on March 26, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    She admitted that she had information concerning the murder case and she chose to withhold it.

  1351. Ina said, on March 26, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Hallo Craig, is mr Sheaffer going to continue with this blog, do you know? Thanks :)

  1352. Diana said, on March 26, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    LOL *Doug

    I hate to say it…..but I thought the same thing when George had his little attention seeking threat. Cindy did this on Greta way back in the beginning. When Greta started asking tough questions, she said she was about to collapse, and if sensationalism is what Great was looking for…..she was about to get it. She did it on the stand too……I havent eaten or slept in days…blah, blah, blah. Then when they pity her………she goes on a rant about Casey being a victim. Unreal.

  1353. Doug Wollenburg said, on March 26, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    Mr. Tim Miller needs to file a lawsuit against Cindy Anthony, She intentionally lied and mislead him for her own sick agenda, wasting this man’s effort, money, resources…etc.
    Not to mention the emotional distress she caused him and all others who came to help.

    Cindy wants to talk to Casey, well it’s time the legal system grants her wish…Arrest her, and she can talk to Casey all she wants in the years to come.

    Now that’s a Jail House Video I’d pay to see…

  1354. Myrtle Beach said, on March 26, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Heroesfan, am I reading about you online or someone else with a similar user name?

  1355. Myrtle Beach said, on March 26, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    Heroesfan, you’ve been hijacked, I’m sure of it. That is NOT your [writing] style and I don’t even know you, but I know that something is very wrong.

  1356. Heroesfan said, on March 26, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Oh I won’t bring that stuff here but I think we all know someone is mentally unwell & I’ll leave it at that. I am tired of people insering themselves in this case. But I took it to the appropriate place & so0meone had to butt his ugly face where it doesn’t belong.

    Someone claimed Cindy forced her to0 become involved in this freak show that Caylee’s trial has become. Imo she’s no better than Joy Wray. She koept insisting she was forced to do slpeuthing about Zanny by Cindy. Imo she should have called the police, not tried to involve herself by catching the nonexistent Zanny.

    She involved innocent people which fine you know but when you choose to air it all out on a blog then maybe expect people won’t agree with another person inserting themselves in this case. It angers me because everyone is in it for themselves and no one it seems who is or was with the Anthonys ever thinks about Caylee or how she suffered and that’s the last thing I’ll say about it.

    This girl Melissa is an idiot who followed olrders from Cindy Anthony of all people, then had to call police when the whole thing blew up in her face. Well what in the hell did she expect to happen?

  1357. Heroesfan said, on March 26, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    One more thing we know some love to keep score & they have this big bad blog as a weapon instead of what it should be about. It’s used to flame other bloggers moderators, blog owners at war with them at the moment.

    Well, score one for you but you know what I’ll sleep well tonight because at leasrt I’m honest & wouldn’t in a million years use a baby girls death for my own advancement , recognition, $$$$, fame.

    That’s what we have going on besides innocent people being suicidal, dragged through the mud by these predators & I’m sick of it. Melissa imo had choices she made the wrong ones.

    She then opens a blog, imo bad call on her part then is indignant when people say she should shut up. Well she asked for our opinions & I gave it to her & she couldn’t accept it so too bad I apologize for nothing.

    If she had learned a lesson from her involvement with Cindy Anthony she wouldn’t still be running her mouth. That’s my opinion she can do what the hell she pleases but don’t expect everyone to love you.

  1358. Heroesfan said, on March 26, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Sorry I took it to the appropriate blog (the 2 posts above) because it probably has no place here. I C & P’s it there because I’m not a hypocrite nor afraid of the truth. But after today it’s over & I won’t bring it up again.

  1359. BG said, on March 26, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Heroesfan:

    I couldnt agree with you more. Attention w–re all the way.

  1360. BEES KNEES said, on March 26, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Heroesfan, that’s it in a nutshell ~ untreated mental instability. Best to just ignore, in my opinion. There is absolutely NOTHING of value there anyway as it is largely filled with bizarre delusions (often delusions of grandeur) of someone who overestimates their own abilities, or talents. It’s really easy to ignore it once you break the habit. They (Anthonys, Baez, Joy W. Leonard Padilla, online supporters & bloggers) all belong in the same ward. Let them all stew away in their meglomaniac delusions. There are WAAAY better blogs to spend your time on. Ha ha ha . . .

  1361. frankie said, on March 26, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    That is an excellent point DougW. Fake a suicide and avoid the tough questions. george tried it with pizza and beer and cindy said she had “thought” about it….bet she did. Now we have River being asked to produce the evidence she said she had and she, too, attempts suicide?

    That being said, I will have to admit that had I been foolish enough to get involved with the likes of the anthonys, I might really commit suicide!!

  1362. Heroesfan said, on March 26, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    BEES KNEES said, on March 26, 2010 at 5:24 pm Heroesfan, that’s it in a nutshell ~ untreated mental instability. Best to just ignore, in my opinion. There is absolutely NOTHING of value there anyway as it is largely filled with bizarre delusions (often delusions of grandeur) of someone who overestimates their own abilities, or talents.

    _________

    Thanks Bees it’s good to know others can see what’s so blantantly obvious, these people are indeed in it for less then honest or ethical motives. I group the same ones together as you do.

  1363. Heroesfan said, on March 26, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    Melissa has been given advice to shut her mouth by more than one person. Se can do what she wants it’s America, free speech. But when you continue to insert yourself DIRECTLY IN A MURDER CASE instead of shutting the hell up what do you expect people to think. She either craves attention or money imo, don’t they all?

    I wonder what the police would advise her to do? Melissa were you given advice by law enforcement, attorneys about how you should handle this matter.

    Whether you should lay low & keep quiet, for Caylee’s sake so this can move forward with as little distraction as possible.

    Or keep running your obviously neurotic, attention seeking pie hole? Seriously what did police say if anything, and what other advice was given to you?

  1364. BG said, on March 26, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    Heroes-Amen.

    Melissa-HOW ARE YOU HONORING CAYLEE BY PUTTING DEGRADING PICTURES OF HER GRANDMOTHER ON THE INTERNET?

    We all know C. is a tool. No need to try and convince anyone anymore.

  1365. Huh? said, on March 26, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    I guess Melissa thinks that since Cindy is an enemy of her’s that she can now develop a few ‘buddys’ and that excuses her of what she has done,

    Exposing some poor little girl in PR that has nothing to do with this case and looked nothing even close to Caylee.

    Sending this ‘info’ to Cindy instead of LE.

    Then in her mind justified trying to SELL texts and info to the rag mag N.E.

    I’m sure I am missing some others but I’m in shock that she has now started a blog about it and she is suppose to be a Criminal Justice Major??? Scary!

  1366. Heroesfan said, on March 26, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    I have them all in a tither, I’m not having a problem, but just listen to them. I responded to ‘it’ for the first time, about 6 comments, I thought they were good & made sense but HE WON’T POST THEM…LOL.

    I mentioned Ina, the FBI, the times he outed peoples cities, emails etc. Of course he banned my comments..what do you expect from someone who claims to have HIGHER STANDARDS’ but called me a skank, dog crap, vomit, puke, gaseous, etc.

    My husband is a real man, an exmarine, aviation inspector & police lieutenant who would defend me to the death if anyone hurt me. My stepson & son are in LE, high up in the chain of command. This little freak is a sickly blogging zero, a mean spirited little nobody.

    He threatens me… well I wouldn’t recommend it & if I were him I’d quit stalking woman, by calling them stalkers. No one wants you, get over yourself delusional weirdo.

  1367. Heroesfan said, on March 26, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Are they still defending Joy Wray at certain places? I just read it, yes they are! Do they not know what she’s done? Attempted to falsify photos and hand them to police as evidence that Caylee was not in the wood in Aug. of 2008….by changing the dates??

    Then when caught Wray tried to get all the files wiped out by taking her computer to Best Buy. Best Buy called police, police confiscated her PC thank goodness. If she was THAT CRAZY she wouldn’t have the sense to cover her tracks, and she did. Also the bogus ‘letter’ Wray wrote to the Judge claiming she witnessed Kronk in the woods.

    Look, she’s a head case but not the Andrea Yates kind, this media whore knows right from wrong. And for anyone to still be defending Wray & say bloggers are worse than Joy Wray is reprehensible.

    Maybe to them we are but most of the public views Joy Wray helping a baby killer cover-up her crime by altering photos & documents unforgivable.

  1368. Heroesfan said, on March 26, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    Huh? said, on March 26, 2010 at 9:48 pm I guess Melissa thinks that since Cindy is an enemy of her’s that she can now develop a few ‘buddys’ and that excuses her of what she has done….

    _______________

    Huh?– You hit the nail on the head. I guess you said what I’ve been trying to, just did it better in less words..lol.

    It does stink…this woman’s actions…Melissa E. isn’t right…you pegged her & got it.. spot on.

  1369. GatorBait said, on March 27, 2010 at 12:46 am

    Heroesfan?
    Who are you? I thought this was Bill Sheaffer’s blog. You know a professional news caster. How does he allow a person with the likes of someone like you on his blog?
    Are you alone here writing to yourself??? No one cares dude. You’re a cyber bully and need to be reported. You say the same thing over and over. What’s up?

  1370. judypc said, on March 27, 2010 at 8:33 am

    Why is it every week-end we have to put up with this childish crap?

    Now, the reason I was going to post.

    Do any of you see team Jose’ running down to J-ville now to save Jarred Harrell from the DP like they are Casey?

    Think Florida is sending child killers a message, we intend to see you never do it again!!

    Maybe just maybe, it will put some element of fear in these pieces of crap that abuse, and murder children.

  1371. nom de plume said, on March 27, 2010 at 9:35 am

    No judy, absolutely not! ( re: going to JVille to the rescue). I so wish we could connect the dots to see why our Orange county child murderer is so damned special! I am envisioning lots of skeletons in closets.

  1372. talking2much said, on March 27, 2010 at 9:38 am

    Judy

    BIG difference in that case….the family of the victim actually wants justice for their girl, no videos of the vitim will be sold to finance the accused defense. No blood money..no Pro Bono lawyers or experts to write books and make deals.

    PS how do you stay signed in on this site? I have to enter info each time, what a pain! lol

  1373. judypc said, on March 27, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Talking:
    go to the Blog at WordPress.com. at the bottom of the page.
    Sign in and you stay signed in for a couple of weeks, I also think if you check the allow cookies box it keeps you signed in all the time.

    I have to log in every couple of weeks because the only cookies I allow in my house are double stuff oreo’s :-)

  1374. talking2much said, on March 27, 2010 at 9:58 am

    Thanks Judy , I stay signed in at other wodpress blogs, just not this one. I’ll try again.

  1375. Wahoo said, on March 27, 2010 at 9:59 am

    judypc said, on March 27, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Talking:
    go to the Blog at WordPress.com. at the bottom of the page.
    Sign in and you stay signed in for a couple of weeks, I also think if you check the allow cookies box it keeps you signed in all the time.

    I have to log in every couple of weeks because the only cookies I allow in my house are double stuff oreo’s :-)
    ——————————————

    Yup, and I bet the size of your fat ass proves that as well you hack. Have some more double stuffed Oreos :-(

  1376. Myrtle Beach said, on March 27, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Heroesfan, I am sorry for interjecting myself in your business, I have no dog in this contest and I thank you for setting me straight.

    I just HATE to see the ugliness that people can and do unleash on the blogsites, particularly over the senseless loss of little Caylee Marie.

    Sincerely,
    Myrt

  1377. judypc said, on March 27, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Myrt:

    Some people are just jerks, they do not need a reason.
    They think they are being cute, or smart, guess their momma did not hug them enough as a child, they have a need to be rude, hateful, and all around jack-asses.

  1378. Total Nonsense said, on March 27, 2010 at 11:52 am

    Isn’t is interesting that this case seems to bring out both the best and the worst in people. It’s truly amazing to see the passion of most towards obtaining justice for the only true victim in this case, little Caylee. It’s also interesting to see the pompous and most often, self-serving and despicable behavior of some others, one in particular will remain nameless here but known to all familiar with the online writings and blogs related to this case. We’ve seen it all. The true mental cases, absolute know it alls, wanna-be detectives, self-proclaimed “journalists,” CSI delusionists, and with the exception of maybe four or five blogs including Valhal and Blink who actually DO know what they’re writing about, have inserted themselves into this case in any way shape or form available to them. We’ve seen unrelenting and boundless greed exhibited by this child’s only earthly companions, her immediate family. Most of us have most likely never experienced or witnessed the likes of these people, and we can only hope we never do.

    This blog should either be monitored or shut down as it is obvious that neither the “moderator” or writer are in the least bit interested. Let the members of the psycho harem exist only among themselves where they can congratulate themselves, check on the health of their master, adore the Anthonys and company, and by the closure of this blog, they will not have an avenue to trash others and advertise themselves so blatantly.

    This is JMO, but this case and everything related to it seems totally out of control.

  1379. amazed said, on March 27, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Obviously, the postings of one individual have the ability to raise the hackles of many people. Granted, they are people who at one time posted at that site, and were trampled on, ostracized and impuned by the sitting council. The answer to that is to simply not read there any more. Granted, his posts are AIMED at inciting stuff such as this to happen at THIS blog in particular. Don’t access his site, don’t respond to his foolishness, create a site to vent, charge admission, you’ll make a fortune. You and I give it a hit every time we check it out.

    I’ll read a Judypc, Southern Justice, Doug Wollenberg Myrtle Beach comment over anything I ocould find there any day. Give Bill and Craig a break and keep things on an adult level here. I feel for you Herosfan, and I believe you are right, but there has to be another way.

  1380. PosterFormerlyKnownAsPrince said, on March 27, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Amen.

  1381. Total Nonsense said, on March 27, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Amazed, I agree with everything you’ve written. I wasn’t talking about individual commenters here at all. I enjoy reading comments left by those you mentioned (and you). And you are right…it is one individual (well three, actually) that get me going…and it’s like a train wreck, can’t help but look. He must have been picked on mercilessly as a kid to have this self-serving entitlement to his opinion and his opinion only. Hypocrite, hypochondriac, vulgar…

    And I also used to enjoy reading heroesfan’s stuff. I can see where she’s coming from and what drove her to some of her posts. He brings out the worst in us and maybe she’s kicking herself by allowing him to get to her. That’s quite a trait for him to brag about.

  1382. amazed said, on March 27, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    @Toal Nonsense, I wan’t inferring anything about what you posted, I agree with you totally, I was trying to let heroesfan know that we all are aware of the situation, and she should not fall into the traps that are set. I too wish Bill Sheaffer would post soon, although I can almost understand his reluctance to do so. I also think Craig knows what he is doing, and does it well.

  1383. Heroesfan said, on March 27, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Sorry, I’ll ease myself into your good graces again. Never meant to bring that nonsense here. :oops:

    I took the bait, but it’s no excuse. Apologies to YOU. You all deserve better & I’ll live up to Mr. Sheaffer’s standards.

    After a break..husband’s orders & this time he means it..lol..I have good intentions but some can bring out the worst in us..PROMISE..won’t happen again.

    I’ll come back a better person..it’s just that what happened to this particular crime, this child tugs at my heart strings & her face haunts me. Also baby Gabriel Johnson, poor little boy It’s so disturbing when these mother’s are treated SPECIAL.

    I volunteer & donate to causes for children & rescue animals & will focus more on that & less blogging.

    Bless you sweet little Caylee…all I want is justice for you…MINUS the vultures using you for personal gain. Your day will come. :cry:

  1384. amazed said, on March 27, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Judypc… I see you know a jackass when you read one!!lol, I love your laid back attitude.

  1385. Autumn Leaf said, on March 27, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Heroesfan, From your posts it is obvious you are a GOOD PERSON. I don’t post often as I don’t have a lot of free time, but I do read the CA blogs on my lunch hour or sometimes at night, but from your posts it’s obvious that you are a caring individual. I hope you don’t take anything that person said personally…you need to remember the source. It’s NOT you. I’m usually very calm and easygoing but some things I read here and there just make my blood pressure skyrocket. You’re in good company here and would hate to see you stop commenting because of one complete nasty-in-every-way jerk.

  1386. Myrtle Beach said, on March 27, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Well said, and very good points, made by all. Rising to the bait is not a crime but I think it is best for me to avoid the Bait Pond at all costs. I like it here.

    Amazed, I like your brain.

  1387. denjet said, on March 28, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Although I agree with the comments posted (and got a chuckle), I would hate for anyone to get banned here … I’ve gotten caught up in it too (no one’s perfect) but lets be careful OK? I enjoy reading here and hope Bill posts a new blog for us to comment to so we’re not tempted to find our own topics to discuss … LOL
    Sign me,
    Trying to be good …

  1388. Ina said, on March 28, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Sometimes I really have no clue what goes on in here lol. Bait…? Where was that? Heroesfan, what was that attack to my commenter?? I deleted it, I suppose that was also not intended then? Just don’t get it.
    Do you guys read all those blogs to keep updated? Anyway, is there any news about the case, that you all know off? I can’t find any myself, I thought there would be another hearing after 15 days about the money issue again. I just thought I heard the judge say this and he was talking about a motion? Is that true, and the date known? Thank you !

  1389. denjet said, on March 28, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Ina, the way I understood it was Baez has 15 days to respond to release of the letters then there would have to be a hearing on it … it doesn’t sound like the state would have to reply but there would just be a hearing on it … that’s my take … so it could take a little while before we hear about them or see them … I’m anxious myself to read what KC’s been up to …

  1390. Ina said, on March 28, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Ok, thank you. I doubt it will be on tv again. Or will it…

  1391. Ina said, on March 28, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Nice to introduce yourself amazed2, my name is Ina. :)

  1392. LindaNY said, on March 28, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    It is impossible to read her with that HF’s nastiness. Is she/her really going to STFU already? Everybody has an opinion on this case. I you want your opinion respected then respect others. There are ways to disagree without cursing and being so damn nasty.

  1393. forgotmyname said, on March 28, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    LNY.. you have swallowed the bait but haven’t realized it yet. HF apologized earlier. sorry, I don’t normally comment.

  1394. amazed said, on March 28, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    @ forgot.. right you are!! So easy to see the path.

  1395. Kalalilly said, on March 28, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Rules, Blogs, Playing Nice and R-e-s-p-e-c-t

    I once came across a blog-site where the Host professed to be a writer of human interest stories and that was the main theme for the posts. After months of reading, it became clear that the human interest element in every post was soon diverted and what became apparent was that many posts contained inappropriate material with the intent of soliciting controversy. This is a patently common ploy to try and increase the number of views a post generates. By increasing the views, the blog-host hopes to get people to click on a link in the post or in the signature. This practice is considered to be unethical by many.
    For all intents and purposes, human interest stories are, by definition: “…can be a feature story that discusses a person or persons in an interactive and/or emotional way, presenting people and their problems, concerns, or achievements in a way that brings about interest or sympathy in the reader.” “Human interest stories are sometimes criticized as “soft” news, or manipulative, sensationalistic programming.” Wikipedia.org.
    Yet many readers/bloggers value them as pleasurable diversions from factual news, while other not-so-savvy net-surfers take them as gospel.
    In contrast to mainline journalism, where it is expected that ethical journalists present objectively, human interest stories are subject to individual interpretation and pliable license may be more commonly applied. Giving “soul” to stark facts can influence a “blawdience” to react in a certain way, and drive the agenda of the author in a direction that isn’t at all objective.

    Although one’s standing in the world beyond the blogosphere may give some impact on one’s sway in cyberspace, what generally determines your influence on others are your skills in communicating, including writing, the quality of your concepts, and your technical proficiency.

    So what does that human interest Blog-Host do when someone makes fun of, pokes at, said hurtful or harmful things about him, his wizard and/or his blog?

    “We’re talking about unchecked aggression here, dude.” ~ Walter Sobchak
    ** ** Freud claimed that humans are intrinsically aggressive. It’s one of the two basic drives that make us tick. We can control or over-ride it, but it’s got to go somewhere. As a professional, you have an ethical duty to abide by the very rules you post. “(1) There will be no insults directed at any commenters. If you don’t like someone, SHUT UP or take it somewhere else. Send me an e-mail me to complain. See Rule # 6.”) (4 ) You may lash out at anyone (or any issue) in the news.”

    OK, so it’s a given to feel moved to return sarcasm and defiance in kind and very appealing to take on the flamer in a battle of wits, especially when you’re the blog-host. Getting the last word can be very pleasing – a solution for all sorts of sore memories from childhood when you DIDN’T have the last word. However, sarcastic, insulting debates rarely fall into the category of humane and empathic encounters (i.e., human interest). For authority figures such as a blog-host, it is not professional, particularly when you profess to champion the underdog.

    Hosts will sometimes generate traffic for the purpose of taking competing or contrary bloggers on – sometimes they seek them out (baiting). Think of a “Family Feud” for bloggers. Battles drive traffic. If it is suspected that another blogger is abusing you to drive traffic, carefully consider if you should enter into play. It is your blog reputation at stake, you will lose credibility.

    A Blog-Host with a chivalrous world view may wander the blogosphere, as if a self-appointed knight-errant in search of adventures which in this modern day case, are bloggers who have offended his sensibilities on blog-sites in order to prove himself – in order incite and bait unsuspecting people who most likely are decent people. The inclination to feel insulted, frustrated, or indignant by a flamer’s actions reflects the tendency to invest a lot of psychological energy in one’s online world.

    Blog-hosts who excessively scold or even go so far as to attack, may unconsciously need to feel superior and powerful, but will become prime targets for bashing. That need to feel “better-than” disguises underlying insecurities about their status in the community whether it is due to unemployment, debilitating medical conditions or childhood or social maladies. If a blog-host often finds himself in the bashing hot seat, it might be time for him to think twice about his style of dealing with people. In most cases the blog-host’s ability to act in a consistently dignified manner and maintain composure and objectivity is being taxed and stress overtakes common sense.

    I have a few words for bloggers who bully: Have you stopped to consider how your opinions, voice, responses in comments, or your comment on other blogs could be interpreted as bullying? Yes, it can be difficult to perform nicely all the time, and sometimes we let our emotions move faster than our brains. Ethical slip-ups prove that no one is immune from stumbling from a lofty perch. Most folks spend far too much time assessing the sins of other people. Think first, type second.

    “The value of an idea has nothing whatever to do with the sincerity of the man who expresses it.” – Oscar Wilde
    One of the main reasons people have double standards is that they desire to have the best of both worlds. The people committing hypocritical acts normally try to use some form of rationalization to justify their actions. I think that the particular Blog-host violates his own RULES is highly hypocritical.

    I will play nice. Craig, the MOderator does an excellent job of respecting everyone here and he deserves that in return.
    Sincerely, Karen Lafontaine

  1396. Kalalilly said, on March 28, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    consider yourself and your future

  1397. BEES KNEES said, on March 28, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Amazed, that was very well said.

    And to Heroes, we all know how hard it is to walk away from a bully. We all want the last word. But, I encourage everyone to not play into it.

    We have all seen the disgusting name-calling on a blog that professes it will “not stoop so low as to call names” Huh? . . . WTF? Is that some weird messed-up kind of backwards Anthony logic or WHAT??? I mean, come on! We’ve all seen them:

    fecal matter,

    skank,

    pig,

    dog crap,

    vomit,

    puke,

    gaseous, etc.

    In my opinion that’s name calling, no? And what were the offenses that so egregiously warranted these slurs? Nothing more than a difference of opinion. Nothing. More.
    You know it. I know it. Anyone who has ever blogged there knows it. BUT the thing is, DON’T PAY ANY ATTENTION. That’s exactly why it’s happening. Ignore, ignore, ignore. It is transparent and we can see right through it. So just stay away, don’t even lurk there. There are many good blogs where you NEVER, EVER, EVER hear that disgusting immature potty-talk. Stay with those good blogs ~ not only won’t you have to deal with name-calling, but you will be part of a lot of intelligent discussions.

    IMO, respectfully.

  1398. forgotmyname said, on March 28, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    amazing, I like that, short, sweet and to the point. lmao

  1399. Butterball said, on March 28, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    Karen, What an excellent read! The impression left by such a blogger is not flattering
    no matter how intelligent and talented. Do you have anything to say about those who offer themselves as a select few in accompanying a blogger, who may have all agreed to participate to draw readers by their own foul input back and forth, knowing very well they are the beginning initiators. A hateful greedy pack who state “no bashing” while everyday bash unaware commenters. Hypocritical and/or Two-Faced! The repeated routine (monthly tantrums) soon becomes totally boring, also the “needy intelligents” who continue such ongoing behavior.

  1400. farrah104 said, on March 28, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    Steph Watts Blog Talk Radio- Guest Tim Miller Tonight!

    Episode On Air CASEY ANTHONY: TIM MILLER SPEAKS OUT IN AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW

    8:00 PM

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this
    ———————-

  1401. BEES KNEES said, on March 28, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    Well said, Butterball. I always encourage people to blog at Blinks, Hinkys, Nieceys, HO or Mystery’s. Honestly I’ve been blogging there for a long time and not once have I ran into any nasty potty-mouths. I’m assuming that most of us outgrew that in grade school. These blogs I’ve mentioned above are for adults.

  1402. Autumn Leaf said, on March 28, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    @Kalalilly…………Huh?

  1403. mixologist74 said, on March 28, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Apparently that loon, Joy Wray, will be on a radio show tonight…she posted this several times on a blog. I wonder what kind of crap she’ll be spewing this time?

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage

  1404. BEES KNEES said, on March 28, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    Farrah, thanks for that. I caught the last half hour. God bless Tim Miller. He has more class in his pinkie toe than the Anthonys and Padilla combined. Notice how all the cool people are on the right side of this mess?

  1405. Kalalilly said, on March 28, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    thanks, BBall, and Bees and everyone else who took the time to read all that. I could go into much more “stuff” to quote George Anthony, but it would put me on thin ethical ice myself. suffice it to say that i’ve enough and wanted to express my support for the good people here without getting into a political pee-ing contest or causing problems. if i could just draw a picture it would the bear and the woods with an x on the spot!

  1406. Kalalilly said, on March 28, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    I mean suffice it to say that i’ve had enough of the vitriol aimed at decent people from a ____ hack who is riding the rails of a murder case inserting himself into everyon’e business in the hopes of making a name for himself and the dim-witted come-away-from squatter who licks the boots.

  1407. Kalalilly said, on March 28, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    ok, i’ll apologize now because after that you probably won’t see me allowed in here anymore. i am still carrying so much annoyance over the attack on HF that I had to call a spade a hypocrite. I know most people have the number for that whack job and his goof of a sycophant, but at least i managed to go out in my own blaze of glory defending a good person, Hfan! Carry on with heads held high.

  1408. Kalalilly said, on March 28, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    come-from-away squatter

  1409. farrah104 said, on March 28, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    Kalilly, I enjoyed your comment, it’s worth the time to read.
    ___________________________________________________

    Sadly, I think Joy Wray’s been here under the names Lafuctaine, Gatorbait, Whahoo, amazing2.

    Fruitcake’s been promoting herself all over the web. Is it time to get Baker Acted again? Joy calls people fat pigs on MySpace a lot like someone did here. I believe the demented troll is Joy.

  1410. Hazaka said, on March 29, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Sooooooooooooooooo has this all been abandoned????

  1411. amazed said, on March 29, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Why would you think that?

  1412. hazaka said, on March 29, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    ’cause no one has posted anything since last night…………………. :-)

  1413. hazaka said, on March 29, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    ————–and if no nic is around….. can’t get into his spot…. :-(

  1414. amazed said, on March 29, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Don’t know where his spot is, but I am sure this will resurrect here again when something more happens. Not to much to post about the case right now.

  1415. amazed said, on March 29, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    @ Ina You are to be commended to your reply to amazed2, it was perfect.

  1416. BEES KNEES said, on March 29, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Not to worry, guys. It’s plain to see where the name-calling, bullying, etc. originated from, but it doesn’t matter. It’s completely irrelevant, PLUS it feels good to take the high road. You might be surprised at the emails I have from some of the most respected names in this case ~ let me say they are on our side. The Defense and all their little blogging lackeys aren’t nearlly as smart as they give themselves credit for.

  1417. farrah104 said, on March 29, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    I confess, I listened to Joy Wray on blog radio last night. The best part is when the WHACK JOB’S interview ended.

    Then the other guests- crime writer Pat Brown, reporter Mark Williams & Dr. Lillian Glass were asked to comment on Joy’s credibility. She took a beating, it was great!

    It’s slow here because news is slow, things will heat up again.
    Great group here, Bees gives sound advice. Ignore the meanies, out of sight out of mind! If they migrate here pretend they don’t exist!

  1418. Marica said, on March 29, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Haven’t been here in a while. Nice to see things a bit more civil. Looks as though there has been a migration of sorts. I don’t feel quite so bad now for wandering off and allowing myself to become lost in other spaces.
    I sometimes wonder about Joy Wray. If she truly has a disorder where she needs treatment and medications, or if she is one who hasn’t quite all the brain cells to keep up with the rest of the world, and mimics what she sees and hears.

  1419. Doug Wollenburg said, on March 29, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Just listened to Cindy’s ranting voicemail to Mr. Tim Miller…

    Cindy hands out Meds (drugs) to people (Mr. Miller has a bad back, so do I, and any relief is always welcomed, I wouldn’t put any blame on Mr. Miller). But, it’s nice to know Cindy has a drug supply, maybe this is why Caylee never had to see a doctor, Cindy treated her with excess/stolen (?) office supplies ?

    That no one will ever take Caylee away from her (except of course her mom), I guess she can forgive Casey for Murder but how dare Mr. Miller even suggest that they start looking for her body.

    And my favorite part…
    DON’T WAGE WAR WITH THE ANTHONY’S, YOU WILL NOT WIN !!

    And people wonder why this whole family is messed up.

  1420. Marica said, on March 29, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Ahhh, but Cindy didn’t say she gave Miller DRUGS, only that she gave him “medicine” for his back. Probably only “Tylenol” if should ask her about that now.

  1421. Doug Wollenburg said, on March 29, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    DON’T WAGE WAR WITH THE ANTHONY’S, YOU WILL NOT WIN !!

    Translation…
    Do not tell the truth about us, we will lie and do everything we can to disgrace you and your work, we will even say you steal money that is donated…You can not defeat our lies…

  1422. farrah104 said, on March 29, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Tips & Tricks, Dodging Questions the Cindy Anthony Way!

  1423. Diana said, on March 29, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    LOL *Marica

    Naaah…..She would probably say: I don’t know who made that call, probably one of those fat bloggers, but it wasn’t me. :)

  1424. Snowy said, on March 29, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    It’s a slow night – thought I might throw something out there for anyone to discuss.
    ********

    I happen to come across a forum (golf I believe) and found a curious remark by a poster named Ronzo.
    ********

    Posted 20 February 2008 – 04:04 PM
    ********

    “There are few parenting tools more useful than duct tape and chloroform, in the handy quart spray bottle.”
    ********

    It appears this individual is from “Deep down in Florida… where the sun shines d*mn near ever day…” and somewhat religous. He/She is in a conversation with another about some website that talks about parenting with duct tape. I can’t take it any further than this as I am just not very good ‘behind the scenes.’ Does anyone wonder if maybe Casey attempted to control a tantrum after reading sites like these and using duct tape accidently caused Caylee to suffocate?
    ********

    http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/114425-tiger-woods-swearing/page__st__120

  1425. Marica said, on March 30, 2010 at 5:10 am

    Karen Lafontaine… Have you ever lived in the Jacksonville area. Your name seems familiar to me from about 15 years ago.

  1426. amazed said, on March 30, 2010 at 10:57 am

    @ Dougwollenberg & Marcia, just to hear the grandmother of a child who is “missing” speaking to the very person who came here at her request to locate the child in the tone that for lack of a better word, that b**&)% did should have told all the Anthony koolaid drinkers what the real deal was.

    There is no way that anyone will ever convince me that they did not know what happened to Caylee and what condition her tiny body was in when they smelled Caseys car. Cindy, and especially George knew that Tim was here to find a body. The more guilty Cindy felt for uttering her famous phrase about the smell in the car and pointing LE in the correct direction, the more important the ruse of sightings and misinformation became. You don’t go to war as a family against the person who came to youto find your loved one. You thank them, you appreciate what they are doing and you hope for a miracle. These people are simply unconscionable and they have no souls.

  1427. Myrtle Beach said, on March 30, 2010 at 11:45 am

    In an effort to stimulate my brain, I’ve sat and wondered just HOW ANGRY the Defendant is with her parents and I’ve tried to think like the looney-tune while doing so. Here’s some notes I’ve made:
    I am a cold, detached psycho and if I want it to be real then it is, if I don’t want it to be real, then it doesn’t exist in my world.

    Everything that went wrong was that little snothead’s fault.

    Dad’s grand jury testimony put me in jail.

    Mom told LE that I must have had help.

    My parents are taking all the money.

    My own brother said “don’t defend Casey – tell the truth.”

  1428. nom de plume said, on March 30, 2010 at 11:58 am

    This is kinda related to Myrtle Beach’s post (trying to figure out the thought process of the criminally insane). Last night I watched a Law and Order episode – a woman murdered her 3 year old (cause of death uncertain, they found her skeletal remains). It turns out the woman had been sexually abused by her father, and when she saw the father of her child showing attention to the child, she got JEALOUS! (like she welcomed the abuse from her father – enjoyed the attention)

    We have entertained the idea of abuse/incest off and on about Casey. Things that make you go “hmmmmmm”.

  1429. talking2much said, on March 30, 2010 at 11:58 am

    Myrtle Beach,

    I think she feels that way too…especially the part about….if I want it to be real, it is..ect.

    This is the only explaination for her to stash Caylee’s body right there in the neighborhood. The only reason she would take police to Universal to show them her “office”, the only reason she would tell police Zanny took Caylee, when there is no Zanny, never was.

    SHE said it was true, so no matter what your lying eyes tell you, you should believe her. If you do not believe her….you misconstruooo everything!! LOL

  1430. Myrtle Beach said, on March 30, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Oh, I have always thought the Father’s Day video with Grampa triggered something deep within Casey. I don’t know if you recall that he cared for her when they first arrived in Florida from Ohio.

  1431. amazed said, on March 30, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Hi Myrtle Beach,

    I think you and I and Southern Justice were on that same page a few months back here. I would so love to be wrong and never entertain that thought, but I think that somewhere in that family dark things happened, and that could very well be the “don’t worry mom I diidn’t tell them anything.” comment. It is blatantly obvious that this entire family has had lots of practice covering up things they choose not to deal with. They are almost disgusting in their backs to the wall cornnered sewer rat mentality.

  1432. Autumn Leaf said, on March 30, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Myrtle, all — I guess she would have to be considered “criminally insane.” I wonder if there is a major difference between just being crazy and being criminally insane. She doesn’t look troubled or anything during hearings, seems she has no visitors other than those she (used) to pay, there’s just so many books a person can read. I would go stark raving mad if I had to sit in one place 23 hours a day, and have absolutely no privacy. She must be a real sicko to be able to withstand that. Wonder what goes through that disgusting head of hers all day. Dreaming of days past? Future?

  1433. farrah104 said, on March 30, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    River Cruz has been added to Prosecutions witness list

    Casey Anthony Prosecutions witness list updated March 28 2010:

    http://www.docstoc.com/docs/31909330/Casey-Anthony-Prosecutions-witness-list-updated-March-28-2010

  1434. BB said, on March 30, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Casey doesn’t speak of anything in her past, she doesn’t appear to be worried about her future. What kind of mental state is it when one lives only in the moment. A form of
    Narcissistic exstasy (if that is even a condition) whatever kind of attention is at the time. How a young hormonal woman can not break with some emotion especially under her circumstance is really baffling. Even if her defense has promised her acquittal, it seems unreal. Has anyone known if she receives any anti-depressants or any emotional inhibiting drug in jail. She deffinately showed anger when speaking with her parents in early videos.
    I don’t think it has ever even quoted that she states she is innocent of murdering Caylee.

  1435. farrah104 said, on March 30, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    I’m going to look up what it means to be Baker Acted. I keep reading Joy Wray was (Baker Acted) 5 or 6 times but have no idea what happens. She seems more conniving than crazy. She seems to get nuttier whe caught in lies, how convenient!

  1436. frankie said, on March 30, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    MyrtleBeach: Who cared for her? Grandpa cared for casey? I didn’t know that. That is very interesting. I would love to read more about that scenario!

    I found it odd when casey asked cindy increduously…”you don’t know my involvement?” And cindy’s snarky reply. It was almost as though casey knew cindy DID know very well what casey’s involvement was. cindy’s reply was chilling…like she meant …of course I know. I thought it was a very strange exchange.

  1437. farrah104 said, on March 30, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Myrtle Beach- Casey definately acts angry at her parents in court. She’s aware they try to get her attention at the end of court hearings. She ignores them & once was prodded to acknowledge them by Andrea Lyons. They grovel at her feet yet she doesn’t so much as give them a smile.

    Casey has 23 hrs a day to sit in her tiny cell, simmering at what she perceives as betrayal by her family. She might keep a list blaming them for her predicament. But they’re all she has, I can’t figure her out. After trial’s over, she’ll have no one visit, friends, family, lawyers, then what?

  1438. Myrtle Beach said, on March 30, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Autumn Leaf, you are right–great recall. Now you can guess why I am treading so carefully on that topic.

    Frankie, I gleaned that info. from Cindy’s depo. testimony in one of the more recent doc dumps. Her dad watched Casey during the day. I’ll look for the link for you when I get home tonight.

    I don’t think that is correct about River being added as a witness. Rather I think someone thought they were updating a list. If the document you are looking at doesn’t have a venue/header, then its an internet thing and not accurate.

  1439. Myrtle Beach said, on March 30, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Frankie, I took Casey’s remark to Cindy almost as “who are you trying to kid?” Both sides of the conversation sounded “staged” as if they knew then that they were being recorded and their statements were for someone else’s benefit. Cindy was trying to elicit some info. from Casey with that statement. As if she thought the fear of being in jail would make Casey “talk” and Casey turning the tables on Cindy as if to say “I’ll make it sound like you’re in on it.” Don’t ehf with me sort of message.

  1440. hazaka said, on March 30, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    No Nic … if you’re lurking …… let me know

  1441. Myrtle Beach said, on March 30, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Cindy always has to have the last word. If she hadn’t called Casey to say that Lee was coming to the nightclub to get her, this case may not be where it is today. But, Nooooo, Cindy has to be in power and don’t you forget it! So Cindy was attempting to b.s. a true b.s’er by appearing all superior and in-the-know when at that point only Casey knew what the heck had really gone down. Stupid Egotistical Cindy – you’re paying for it now. I can feel the heartache even if she can’t or won’t (which is more like it).

    Don’t wage war with the Anthony Family. Oh pluheeze. Don’t spit in the face of the law, Anthony Family.

  1442. Myrtle Beach said, on March 30, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    great recall Amazed. sorry, I have to blog furtively while at work, so I’m always in a rush.

  1443. Myrtle Beach said, on March 30, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Frankie,
    Page 32:
    http://www.docstoc.com/docs/29540121/Cindy-Anthony-State-Deposition-7282009-Part-1

  1444. frankie said, on March 30, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    Thanks Myrtle…going there now!

  1445. farrah104 said, on March 30, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    Myrtle said- I don’t think that is correct about River being added as a witness. Rather I think someone thought they were updating a list. If the document you are looking at doesn’t have a venue/header.
    ————–
    True, went back to check & it wasn’t the official witness list. Doubt the website would intentionally confuse, but I need to be careful before repeating docs as fact when it clearly wasn’t. Another name is added that I doubt is correct, the very last one. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!

  1446. Ina said, on March 31, 2010 at 2:54 am

    Goodmorning. Sorry , the following comment is a bit long.
    I read (on Kreuzers Corner, and he read it on the Orlando Sentinel that ” Casey will be in court Monday for a hearing on access to more documents from the volunteer search group that helped look for her daughter.

    Her defense team wrote in its request to the judge that the team found volunteers who weren’t on the list of 32 and did search the spot Caylee’s bones were found but noticed nothing unusual. The defense now wants access to all of EquuSearch’s records.”

    Another thing, but about the costs: Casey’s defense got payed by ABC, but of course that money comes indirectly from the public (the money ABC earns is from advertising and commercials, and the products sold this way, are expensive because of the money the producers of those items pay the tv company, duh lol that is how it works) just as the money that the prosecution gets, comes from the public as the State is financed by taxpayers money.

    Now only the defense lawyers in this case are working pro bono, but they get blamed for costing the public money. Is it just me thinking this is weird?

    The whole trial could be a lot quicker and cheaper, if the public would’t demand every little sidetrack to be investigated, and now perhaps that is a good thing, but as it takes time and money to please the public, I don’t think it will change the facts or the lack of facts.

    Now on March 26 I wrote on my blog: “Through the site of Andrea Lyon I came to a site about the death penalty and I read this:
    ‘A recent article in the Akron Law Review asks whether the Federal Death Penalty Act (FDPA) is in compliance with the Sixth Amendment’s right to confront witnesses because it allows hearsay evidence in determining whether a defendant is eligible for the death penalty. During a typical criminal trial, the accused has the right to challenge and cross examine the testimony of state witnesses who must appear in person. But in a death penalty case, the FDPA allows statements of witnesses not present in the courtroom to be used to determine whether the defendant’s case fits one of the aggravating factors necessary for a death sentence.
    The article’s authors, Michael Pepson and John Sharifi, write: “[A]llowing the government to prove statutory aggravating factors … with testimonial hearsay, even where the defendant has never had an opportunity to cross-examine the declarant(s), is not constitutional.” The authors suggest two constitutional alternatives: doing away entirely with the FDPA or revising the law to include the aggravating-factor determination in the guilt phase of the trial, subject to the usual rules of evidence. This would allow federal capital defendants to confront witnesses regarding the critical question of whether they are eligible for a death sentence.’
    What I think it said amongst other things is that hearsay in a murdercase is not constitutional. Now if BS was back in business I would ask him what he thinks, but he got the hell out of Dodge I suppose.
    What do you think…”

    Definition of hearsay n.
    1. Unverified information heard or received from another; rumor.
    2. Law Evidence based on the reports of others rather than the personal knowledge of a witness and therefore generally not admissible as testimony.

    I think this means the FBI reports are not admissible unless the FBI lab persons are heared as witnesses?

    This morning I read MD’s new article on his blog (let’s face it, if you stick to his articles, they can be interesting at times. It bugs me I can’t ask things there). Coincidently it is also about hearsay.

    The part about telephone numbers that you google up being hearsay by the def. I or 2 is not the case in my opinion btw . If you google up a name to get a telephone number, you will get the White pages and that is just another telephone book. A lot more reliable than asking some commenter about a telephone number, now that is hearsay I think? White pages are cetainly not a good example of hearsay. But that is just my opinion. It depends on how you look at it I suppose.

    But anyway: MD says: “According to those Federal Rules of Evidence, the following ARE NOT hearsay and do not fall under the rule of hearsay:
    Statements by the defendant – The Miranda warning tells suspects that anything they say may be used against them in a courtroom. In the courtroom, they can also deny or correct inaccurate statements made if they choose to do so.
    Statements by a coconspirator made ‘during’ the crime or ‘in furtherance’ of the crime – Filed under Rule 801(d)(2)(E), under Statements which are not Hearsay. In 1992, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that statements made by coconspirators “provide evidence of a conspiracy’s context that cannot be replicated, even if the [coconspirator] testifies to the same matters in court.” 475 U.S. 387, 395, 106 S. Ct. 1121, 1126.
    Prior statements by witnesses – Under federal law, if the witness has previously testified as to the matter at a previous trial, preliminary hearing, or any other type of hearing and was subject to cross-examination, those statements ARE NOT hearsay. This could explain, in my opinion, why John Morgan wants to get his claws into Casey before her criminal trial. Dig up as much evidence against her as he can at the civil trial. Prove her guilty there and get the glory. It’s almost a sure thing that if the civil case is not postponed, Casey will have to settle and poor John will be shot down.”
    Now I am obviously no law expert, and if anyone could explain, is hearsay allowed in a courtroom or not? thanks! I just wondered: if someone would testify at a preliminary trial, using hearsay, would the defense not point that out in the courtroom during that preliminary? And make a point of it that hearsay can’t be used as evidence? Casey never ever said she did it, the only hearsay would come from others, that think they smelled a corps f.i. Is that going to be evidence?

  1447. RS said, on March 31, 2010 at 4:51 am

    Going through 275,000 dollars plus before declaring indigent status is HARDLY a group of people having worked pro bono…

    And the lawyer for TES has already responded to that aged defense motion for more records, and the claims within it, which that lawyer listed as baseless.

  1448. amazed said, on March 31, 2010 at 7:01 am

    * Ina, basically, as most perceive things, the defense has done most of their spending on what? NOTHING? $275,000.00 where? When you are asking for a free ride for a client, you better be prepared to answer what you did with all the money SHE (snicker) paid you. A very good question was, where did an unemployed liar and conniver come up with $275,000.00? Unfortunately, the public does have a right to know. It is still disgusting how they came up with it, selling pictures of the very innoncent young victim that the princess is accused of killing.

    The defense used that money on themselves, in my opinion, knowing the whole time they were going to declare this loser indigent. They got what they could up front, and now want to look like patron saints of the poor downtrodden. Unfortunately, this monster is neither poor nor downtrodden. Her family is certainly capable of working, and instead of going for the glitz and glamour they could have done what all the other “indigents” in Florida have to do, accept a public defender and stay out of the limelight. This would not have cost anymore than any other case in Florida. Gee I forgot it was the Anthony family, mybad.

  1449. amazed said, on March 31, 2010 at 7:07 am

    Caseys court appearance are always interesting and even comical to watch, if you think of her posturing at the defense table. She bought the “you are the CEO” from George hook, line and sinker. I am sure that when they are discussing the $275,000.00 that was paid, she gets a slow boil going I don’t think she ever thought she would have that much money deemed as hers in her entire life. She actually acts like she did something worthwhile to earn it. Actually, it was just a continuation of her thieving, only she was stealing what little dignity Caylee should have had left of her young life.

  1450. Myrtle Beach said, on March 31, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Well, I’d say that going to a bait pond for intellectual stimulation would only lead you down a crooked path because what’s there is self-indulgent and subject to an egotist’s interpretation.

    $200+ big ones is a lot of money for little or no real work other then excessive court appearances, claimed investigative work for which not much tangible end product has been reached (e.g., valuable depositions, or even the very, very costly transcripts of depositions).

    In the billable hours there must be accountability of, among other things, the hours of research and document prep. done by everyone on the payroll(s) in addition to the costs and expenses of “outside” or contract employees (investigators) and on and on.

    What I am trying to say is that while $200k is a drop in a bucket in a case like this conversely, it is a HUGE amount to have been pissed away without a more concrete work product to date. I’m not saying that the lawyers didn’t do anything – they did – but was it as productive as it should have been? That’s a question only the “playa’s” can answer in this case. I know we all have our own thoughts and opinions about it, but unless you are right there in the midst of it, you’ll always have to wonder. It doesn’t look good is what I’m saying – it just doesn’t look good. In fact the money trail in this case would be very interesting if ever made public. I think it stinks, but that’s just my personal opinion.

  1451. amazed said, on March 31, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Myrtle B. LOL re the bait pond, which brings to mind, a commenter there expostulating constantly about the money trail she was following and how shocked we would all be to see what she had found out, only to never respond with a whit of information about it. I gues thats where the egotist, i.e. wanting to avow great knowledge without any apparent substance comes in. Maybe however, due to friendships with the major players in this crime, she was told to back off by the head honcho!!.

    We’ve all been taken in at one time or the other over there!!

    I love your input as you obviously have some background to know a bit more than some of us do, I appreciate your sharing. Do you think that the Judge will ever get fed up enough with the antics to put a stop to it, or has he gone over to the dark side? I simply can’t imagine this going on where I come from. None of it actually. Why are the laws so different in each state as we are all under tha same constitution?

    I truly believe that here, people inserting themselves into this case as the AVERAGE citzens are doing in this case would have been told to knock it off or face charges of some sort long ago. That is half the problem as to why this case is getting out of hand.

  1452. Ina said, on March 31, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Wasn’t the money partly spent on lab research and gathering of evidence? Or don’t they have to pay for that? I don’t know if that is expensive ? And now the defense can’t ask money anymore from tv stations, because of the Son of Sam law, as she is a convicted fellon.

    Or is the check fraud case irrelevant for that Son of Sam law?

    If so, iif they want, they could still sell the story between now and May 9 2011? Now if that would pay the bill and Casey would not need public money that way, how bad would it be? As no one wants the public money to be used for her defense I think.

    SOme one like Oprah (or Oprah herself if she is still doing shows then) could do a show about this case, with an interview with Casey in jail. I bet it would make big bucks. If it is ethical, I don’t know. If CNN makes money covering a case, it is ok, so I suppose it would be ok to use money for the defense in stead of taxpayers money.

    The FBI, I wonder what they charge the state for their work.

  1453. amazed said, on March 31, 2010 at 11:10 am

    In all honesty all the information you gleaned by reading at the blog you credited, can be obtained by googling it yourself Ina. You can ask your questions anywhere you want and get answers, don’t feel bad about being excluded there.

  1454. Sidney said, on March 31, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    I would like to know why the delay in finding the notice of the car towed? (in excess of the holiday).
    George goes into detail in the FBI interview that they don’t use the front door, they use the garage exclusively for comings and goings.
    Fine and dandy, but as far as I can see, the Anthony mailbox is located right next to the front door. So they must go out there to fetch their mail?
    Why don’t they claim not to have seen the notice on the front door rather than say they ‘don’t go out there’?
    Also, why didn’t the mailman put the notice in the mailbox? Why would he put it on the door?
    Do they pick up their mail at a post office box and not the home? Wouldn’t George have said so in that long winded explanation if that is the case?
    George also went to Amscot earlier the very day that he picked up the car at the tow lot, supposedly to pay a utility bill. A huge coincedence?
    Cindy says on tv that Casey would never leave her car at the Amscot because she drives past on her way to work and might have spotted it. Why doesn’t she say, ‘where we go to pay our utility bills and would certainly have seen it’?
    If the car had not been towed, it would have been sitting there the day George went to pay the bill.
    TIA if someone knows the answers, this has been bothering me for quite some time.

  1455. Myrtle Beach said, on March 31, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Amazed, u make my day.

  1456. Myrtle Beach said, on March 31, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Thanks for your kind words, but i ain’t no great shakes. Even though the presiding Judge is all powerful in the case he is hearing, he doesn’t necessarily have to jurisdiction to make across the board mandates regarding other elements un-related to the murder of Caylee. Yes, it has come to light during the course of the hearings that some things may or may not be going on with the Defense that violate local rules. OK, since the State’s attorney is priviy to some of these actions, it is not up to the Judge to launch himself into that area, but the SA may want to look into improprieties, etc. His duty is to remain focused on the case at bar. Yes, other actions may arise from this, but someone has to make the complaint. That should be the person wronged and believe it or not, Casey might be the person wronged if the money she paid was mis-appropriated. However, with her life ilterally hanging in the balance, and now she truly has no money, would she want to challenge the people who are defending her and start all over again? She can fire her counsel at any time and seek new representation which could only be the P. Def. and which would cause a major delay as the P. Def. would have to “learn” the case, but as the gent indicated at the indigency hearing, they will be out of funds by the end of their fiscal year (June 30th, I think he said) and that is not uncommon for most PD’s across the nation. Therefore, IF Casey thinks about making any changes for purposes of delay, she should wait until the State’s coffers are replenished. I’m NOT predicting this will happen, but based on the nature of the characters in this case, I think we will see a lot more unique twists and turns in the case before it is ever disposed of.

  1457. Myrtle Beach said, on March 31, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Amazed, are you familiar with the cartoon strip “Pogo?” That’s the mental image I have of that bunch.

  1458. amazed said, on March 31, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    A spot on analogy Myrtle. Although I see a lot of the bossy “Lucy” from Peanuts in someone there also!! Does Lucy have a hat?

  1459. Lucey777 said, on March 31, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    amazed,

    Yup, a hat, a poison pen and a very brown nose..

  1460. Myrtle Beach said, on March 31, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Were Lucy and Patti gay? Oh! stop me now!

  1461. Myrtle Beach said, on March 31, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    Sidney, all I can say is that these people are not close companions with the truth. They strike me as the types who would ignore or evade a certified mailing and then fib about it when confronted.

  1462. farrah104 said, on March 31, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    Every one of the grifters, crazies, malicious bloggers (none here) who forced themselves into this case will be forgotten. Their 5 minutes of fame are going, going, gone. They try to do outrageous things & make ridiculous claims to stay in the mix but they are like dust in the wind. In the end no one will remember, no one will care.

    Then all they’ll be stuck with are the crazy lies they told no matter who it hurt & how it hindered the investigation & this case.They are nobody who did nothing but try to stop the wheels of justice. They might stall it, but sometime in 2011 Casey WILL BE CONVICTED of murder then these horrible people with low self esteem who used Caylee to puff themselves up will disappear forever, I can’t wait until that day.

  1463. Autumn Leaf said, on March 31, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Myrtle at 3:20…LOLLLLLL!

  1464. caseywillbih said, on March 31, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    who thinks casey didn’t know it was wrong to pass those letters, yes she had help, but the inmates get the rules! and the freak over yonder thnks this ….

    Oh, God, I hope not. That guard deserves what punishment she gets meted out to her. She knew better. Casey didn’t. I sure don’t think the guard would have let Casey escape, so she would have drawn the line somewhere. I’m sorry and all, but who knows what else she did – who else she helped? I wonder what her motive was? Favors?

  1465. Excuse Me! said, on March 31, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Today we here at BS are called “idiots” also recently stated “i don’t bother with the ignorant” Wow! Some of us used to comment on her favorite habitat until she took it over. What is it with this woman that she needs to throw out comments like that.
    BB12, do you think we are nothing but idiots? lol

  1466. caseywillbih said, on March 31, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    ack stay away from the meat man, you will get a disease ewwwww

    seriously, casey received the rules just like any inmate. to say she didn’t know what she was doing, is insane. thats where you get the name of a anthony lover, but maybe he has a crush on casey, that would explain a lot. like all the others going from blog to blog trying to get the innocent word out.

    its all just insanely weird.

  1467. nom de plume said, on March 31, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    Well, I seem to have found a kindred spirit. I just kicked myself off a blog, or committed blog suicide. I copied and pasted a post from another blog that had to do with a topic being discussed. It happened to contain derogatory remarks about a blog person, and I was stomped by several, he was defended, and the post was deleted. That was several days ago. Today, a regular on that blog copied and pasted the exact same post, and she was thanked!!! Go figure. I posed the question as to why, but I have not been back to see if it was answered.

    Blogs can be a scary ride!

  1468. caseywillbih said, on March 31, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    I would go back and see if they answered, but yes, some blogs seem to have cliques and thats a shame, when most of us want the same thing Justice for Caylee

  1469. nom de plume said, on March 31, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Just got back from reading a little on the meat blog – someone said the Casey letters are a John Morgan tactic. Are they crazy?

  1470. caseywillbih said, on March 31, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    they sure are, just like saying it would be FUN is one of his (JM) tactics. his goose will be cooked with those letters. I heard they contain something damning

  1471. farrah104 said, on March 31, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    Discussion Topic: Cyber-Bullying & Cyber-Stalking

    •Attempts to gather information about the victim. They often will monitor the victim’s online activities and attempt to (TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS) in an effort to gather information about their victims.

    •False accusations. Many cyber-bullies try to damage the reputation of their victim and turn other people against them.

    •False victimization. The cyber-bully will claim that the victim is harassing him/her.

    •Post false information about their victims. They may set up their own websites, blogs or user pages for this purpose.

    •Cyber-bullies may research individuals to feed their obsessions. Conversely, the acts of cyber-bullying becomes more intense, into cyberstalking territory.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber-bullying

    I found this information interesting since it describes some who falsely claim to be advocates for crime victims, it’s all a front for cyber-bullying. Again,it’s not directed toward anyone here, I think we can all guess who the bullies are & where they reside & spew their ongoing rants.

  1472. newbie said, on March 31, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    How does someone “track” another on the internet and what is an ID?

  1473. Excuse me! said, on April 1, 2010 at 12:56 am

    newbie, I hope you get an answer!! There have been bloggers that say they know who people are because they have their IP and they can give it to whoever they choose to. You can find the same people say they can’t, but I think they can give your identity away because of the e-mail address and how it follows a name used to comment with. It is intimidating and very hateful and keeps a lot of good people off the blogs. I do not know what an IP is but assume ID would be an e-mail address and name on an e-mail account. I can “track” a package I have ordered or sent by UPS, on my computer, so maybe it is like that. it has been “hacking” when someone gets into internet “crime.” I think it is a crime, or should be.

  1474. No Nic said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:03 am

    Sandra Heim,

    The correct terminology is “IP” address. It is nearly impossible to track a person by their IP (Internet Protocol) address. Your IP address is assigned from a pool of IP addresses provided by your Internet Service Provider. When you make a comment on a blog like this, the moderator or owner can only see your IP address and your email address. Your name is not associated with either.

    The IP address shows your approximate location such a city and state but that is the location of your Internet Service Provider, not your exact location. The average person cannot track you. It takes legal action through your Internet Service Provider to obtain your information for cause. That is done mostly for Law Enforcement and even they must get a court order to find your information.

    That is not to say it is impossible but it takes a very good hacker to get through your Internet security but even they leave a trail to what they are doing. The average person does not have to worry about it. Suffice it to say the less personal information you put on the Internet the better as in your real name being your screen name for example.

  1475. No Nic said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:11 am

    Excuse me!

    You are correct that it is a crime to hack into another person or Companies computer. Ups and USPS have a proprietary program that accomplishes tracking of packages but that has nothing to do with your IP address. It is a through put to their system that downloads your packaging information to your computer.

  1476. Excuse me! said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:23 am

    No Nic, Thank you, I really learned something that I also did not understand. When those who have personal differences and say they are going to expose one or the other
    it is not possible and only used as an intimidating tactic? Is that correct?

  1477. Newbie said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:39 am

    Thank you for such a clear explanation. I will remember..IP not ID. It sounds like I best ask Craig to remove my name !

    So, if I switch my internet provider, I get a new IP number. Then, if I was banned from a blog I could get back on that blog since I had a new IP number? Not that I have any intentions of being banned from anywhere…lol.

  1478. No Nic said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:40 am

    Yes that would be correct unless perhaps you have emailed them and given them your personal information. It is a good idea not to use multiple screen names with the same computer as your IP address will follow that screen name and you can be caught for that but your personal information doesn’t get exposed in that case either.

  1479. No Nic said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:51 am

    Newbie,

    I must retire for the night but to answer your question, in most cases a blog will ban your screen name and email address unless you have done something so egregious that they ban your IP as well.

  1480. Newbie said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:53 am

    Interesting. Thank you No Nic.

  1481. Newbie said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:57 am

    Excuse Me, I wonder how you find this and other things like this on the internet. The computer book for dummies doesn’t include many things !!

  1482. Ina said, on April 1, 2010 at 3:08 am

    Hi newbie, the easiest way to ban a person is to ban the IP number and the nick. That is how I do it. But there are always weirdo’s who insist and use a proxy, so I filter all kinds of proxy servers as well :) And if you don’t want them to lurk, there is always the protected option.

  1483. Newbie said, on April 1, 2010 at 3:29 am

    I have no blog so banning really isn’t the issue. I just wondered how a person could be followed on the internet. Thank God No Nic gave a clear explanation.

  1484. Newbie said, on April 1, 2010 at 6:34 am

    Farrah104. is what you copied an example of cyber bulllying you referenced in your Mar. 31, 9:34 p m comment? I assume nothing can really be done about a cyber bully?

  1485. hazaka said, on April 1, 2010 at 6:59 am

    No Nic said ——————– Howdy my friend …..thought I “lost” you…… couldn’t get into your “spot”…….

  1486. craigatwftv said, on April 1, 2010 at 7:36 am

    Hey, Excuse Me! commenter…. email me who you are talking about at 7:37p on 3/31, DO NOT COMPLAIN other bloggers on this blog. Email me and I’ll squash it, please: craig.mazer@wftv.com

  1487. amazed said, on April 1, 2010 at 8:01 am

    What are the opinions here about the guard being suspended for passing the notes between inmates in the Casey sase?

    I think prsonally that in a case this high profile any guard enabling an inmate to do anything against policy should be fired. That said, how many feel that Casey bears no responsibility in this? I see it as anyone who says well hey she is a criminal it’s not her fault is an IDIOT. They are totally reinforcing the Cindy Anthony style of child rearing. Let Casey break all the rules and laws she want, and deny, excuse and cover up for her. Look what THAT did for Caylee. Well I guess all of us cows are just stupid!!! LOL

  1488. amazed said, on April 1, 2010 at 8:03 am

    Excuse typos, I was just grazing in the grass being udderly ridiculous!!

  1489. Newbie said, on April 1, 2010 at 8:35 am

    Amazed,
    Do you really want opinions or are you just milking this…lol.

    My opinion…whether a high profile case or not, any guard that goes against policy intentionally should be terminated period..period..period. Casey also bears responsibility and let us hope she really cooked her own goose by putting something damning in those letters.
    As far as what others think or say, to me they are entitled to their opinions. I could care less about that. What I am somewhat concerned about is being a stupid cow….I already have enough trouble with the way iI am….LOL.

  1490. Newbie said, on April 1, 2010 at 8:40 am

    Okay, Craig, where’s my post? Do they get hung up sometimes and you have to release them? I didn’t say anything bad !

  1491. Ina said, on April 1, 2010 at 8:42 am

    I don’t really see why she shouldn’t have contact with others, by mail or email, or notes. What will she do? What is the use for that rule?

  1492. Newbie said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:01 am

    If I might say directly, Ina, with kindness, I am sure the jail policies have been set with good reason. Do you think a guard that intentionally violates policy several times should be terminated? Your opinion is what?

  1493. talking2much said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Ina

    The rule is in place to prevent criminals from ploting criminal activities.

    For example, murder of a jailhouse snitch/witness, co-defendants getting stories straight before trial, or worse, violence against a jail worker /escape.

  1494. Ina said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:09 am

    @newbie, that is up to the guards superior. Perhaps it is a corrupt guard, or just one with a big heart, I can’tell.
    @talking 2much, but if the guards read the stuff first? And then decide if it is harmless girl chat or a possible criminal act in preparation (?) .

  1495. talking2much said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:13 am

    Ina

    Criminals encode messages all the time, segragation is imposed for good reason and passing notes defetes the purpose.

    On another note: At sentencing phase, the defense can no longer say she is a good inmate, that she follows the rules , she has clearly shown the propencity to break the rules of the institution.

  1496. RS said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:14 am

    The guard should be fired and never allowed to work in a corrections facility again, if in fact she did transport 50 some odd writings back and forth among several inmates…

    She KNEW the rules, and deliberately broke them in doing this if it is true….

    That is how escapes get planned, attacks on other inmates, attacks on other guards…. exchange of drugs etc….

  1497. Myrtle Beach said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Both the guard and the inmates have rules and are made aware of the rules. the guard chose to compromise her job and the safety of many. Even though this is a isolated, segregated, part of the jail, you are dealing with accused killers and one cannot pick and choose which inmate will or will not try to hurt or kill others. As for the violation on the part of the inmate, well, what can happen – more time tacked on and report(s) filed of any disciplinary action and those reports come into play at probation reviews, inmate’s request for status change, etc. Because a jail is supposed to be a secured facility, there can be NO breach of protocol permitted. One lax moment could cause a riotous event. Like it or not, they must be vigilant.

    That particular guard exercised very poor judgment and those particular inmates demonstrated their poor attitudes. I certainly wouldn’t want to be in a co-worker situation with that guard and have to depend on her to have my back. But, hey, that’s just me.

  1498. Ina said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:20 am

    But she is in jail. Not in a prison. She is not yet convicted. If they want her to be not completely crazy from isolation by the time she finally goes to trial, they should give her some sort of interaction with other human beings?

  1499. Myrtle Beach said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:20 am

    Nice to see you participating Newbie. I hope you aren’t accused of sleeping with the enemy – lol.

  1500. Myrtle Beach said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:22 am

    she has interaction with other humans and she even decides who she will and will not see. communication with other inmates is prohibited for a reason and that’s the way it is.

  1501. amazed said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Hi Newbie this has been a Moooving experience for all of us, and we do all have different opinions I agree.

    Ina sometimes I don’t know if you are being earnest or pulling our legs but there are rules for reasons. It is a well known fact that the criminals in jail still manage to run gangs and put hits out on witnesses etc. from their cells. Casey is no different in that she is expected to follow the rules. When you are paroled after serving time, you are told that you may not do certain things, one of those things that would violate your parole is to consort with other known felons. You could be rearrested for that. I don’t know if the laws in European countries are as lenient as you seem to want them to be, or if you are just of the persuasion that criminals should be treated with kid gloves, but when you do certain things, you lose certain rights, and that is for the safety of the general public. It seems you think Casey should be allowed to do whatever she pleases unless I am misunderstanding you. If I am I apoligize.

  1502. RS said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:24 am

    Where is it said she has no interaction with other humans?

    Just where is it said?

    She can have visitors, phone calls, write letters…

    She speaks daily with jail staff..

    She is in jail not a social club….

    It is forbidden to pass communication among other inmates….you know against rules of keeping your job if you do it…you know terminated from employment if you do..

    And she had ZERO, NADA authorization to screen content of forbidden communication…

    My, my the excuses made for violations…..astounding…

  1503. talking2much said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Ina

    She IS convicted. She IS accused of murder and she IS facing the death penalty, if that’s not a reason to escape, I don’t know what is.

  1504. Ina said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:29 am

    I am earnest I have no idea if someone waiting for a trial here can have communication with others in the same position. I am no jailbird :) and i am not comparing. But until she is called guilty in trial, she is still a US citizen (I have read that) with the rights that go with it.
    And I think isolation is not a part of those rights, but I would have to look that up.

  1505. Ina said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:31 am

    talking2much, is she convicted? If you mean the check fraud… She is not in prison for that, so that I think that is not quite the case. But I may be wrong of course.

  1506. RS said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:32 am

    She was ajudicated guilty of 6 felonies, and credited time served as punishment for those those felonies while during the time she was passing notes she was forbidden to do

    please keep up with the case…

  1507. Ina said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:33 am

    @rs well if she can have all those things, like the email then she can have criminal info just as well from that? So what is the point…

  1508. Ina said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:35 am

    She has done time for those felonies. She is just a suspect now.

  1509. RS said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:36 am

    Ina,

    I have no idea what you are even talking about with e-mail claims you are now making..

    Where do you get this PURE BUNK from, just where?

  1510. talking2much said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:38 am

    A citizen of the US is expected to abide by the laws of the US, when they have shown they will not do so, they do in fact lose some of their rights, they do however maintain their right to a fair trial among others, meanwhile, the corrections facility which is charged with incarcerating the defendant also has a right to maintain peace and provide security for the staff and the inmate population, isolation has NOT been found to violate an inmates rights.

    There are inmates who have spent 23 hours a day in isolation for years at a time. No violation.

  1511. RS said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:39 am

    Please, DURING the time she passed these notes she was credited for that time to serve her as her felony sentence……

    It is also forbidden to do it, what part of that are you missing?

    Forbidden, means not allowed.

    And BTW: in European jails, including in the Netherlands they do NOT allow guards to pass notes back and forth among inmates…so why you are going on and on about it here in the USa is beyond me…..

  1512. Newbie said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Ina and I go way back and at one time emailed each other. For that reason, I am sure she won’t mind me telling on her….well, maybe she better give me the go ahead…I think she will as she knows I would do no harm.

    Can I tell on you Ina….about your questioning of things?

  1513. talking2much said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:50 am

    She hasn’t done any time on the fraud conviction, she recieved probation for that, she has not even begun her probationary requirements.

    This is a convicted felon x 6 facing the death penalty, she has more reason than most inmates to plot escape, witness tampering ect.

    Show me a person with nothing to lose and I’ll show you a very dangerous person.

    When an inmate is being walked to the death chamber they are surrounded by several guards and still they are shackled and cuffed, beause they have nothing to lose and some have tried taking a guard or two with them.

    These policies are in place due to hard lessons learned.

  1514. Ina said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:54 am

    lol newbie you can. I miss our chats lol. rs “She can have visitors, phone calls, write letters…” sorry emails are not included there I see. But phonecalls then.

  1515. RS said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:59 am

    Good lord, that was to address your insinuation she was lacking human contact…

    And BTW…her phone calls are monitored, her visits the same, and her mail is too….

  1516. Ina said, on April 1, 2010 at 10:01 am

    RS: what do I care where it is that suspects are being isolated from each other, Europe or US? I am not comparing just wondering why these rules exist, that is all. Must cook now, have a nice day!
    One question: Monday will be the hearing so I read, but it is Easter then. Is that still accurate?

  1517. Ina said, on April 1, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Well if they can be monitored, so can the written contacts among jaibirds?

  1518. RS said, on April 1, 2010 at 10:07 am

    What part of forbidden did you overlook?

    Forbidden, means not permitted…

    And the guard has no authorization to screen inmate note passing nor to pass any…..

  1519. newbie said, on April 1, 2010 at 10:08 am

    Ina cares to debate and is quite good at moving the subject to what she cares to argue. As you notice, she still has not given her opinion on the officer breaking the rules and being terminated for doing so….lol. She has danced all around it and moved the subject away from the question. lol Coy she can be !!

  1520. RS said, on April 1, 2010 at 10:13 am

    yeah, well, i for one am sick of it…chronic asinine off topic meanderings…done deliberately to disrupt the blog

    So sick of it in fact I am never to going to post here again..if it isn’t this agenda driven hack, it is constant Marmalade holdover BS….

    You can find me under the WFTV article only from now on…

    Craig, please ban my ability to post here from now on….

  1521. amazed said, on April 1, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Casey is a convicted felon Ina, if by some God awful miscarriage of justice due to the interference of her family, the media and the likes, when she walks out of jail, she is forbidden to have contact with other felons. Period. She would violate her parole in the check fraud case by doing so. Or probation whichever the case. It’s simple…black and white she is not allowe to do what she chose to do in jail. She did it anyway, as rules obviously mean nothing to her nor do they apply to her or her family. So when you get caught, accept it like a grown up. Same goes for the guard, who probably did it for HER peice of little Caylee.

  1522. IP Info said, on April 1, 2010 at 10:49 am

    While you have been given some good 10,000′ view information on IP addies, some key details are missing in the equation.

    There are two types of IP addresses:

    Static – meaning it is assigned and does not change
    Dynamic – meaning it is part of a block of IP addresses and changes, usually every time you login to your Internet provider or reset your connection (wireless or modem)

    If you login/post from a work location on a registered domain it is entirely possible that you do have a static IP or are routed through a main static gateway IP, thereby leaving a trail to the company you work for. Not just their IS provider. Something to keep in mind if you post from work and know little about how your company’s IT is managed.

    Even if someone pings with a dynamic IP it isn’t that hard to get more info on them, depending on how prolific they are online, and how lax they are about privacy. As an example, say someone is an attack-type drone posting. If you are a blog owner you can easily look at date/timestamps to ascertain which user it is. Track their IP back to a general City/State location.

    From there a quick Google search of that user name will often turn up their postings on other blogs and forums if they use consistent variations of their name. In reading further, some times you can very easily narrow it down to a real person. Couple checks of MySpace, Facebook, LinkedIn and voila – there they are.

    The thing is that most people who understand all of this and know how to really dig & research online are those that would never do so for nasty purposes. Only people with an agenda would bother, KWIM?

    I respectfully disagree with Nic’s comment here, although much of the rst of his info was fairly sound:
    No Nic said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:40 am

    Using multiple usernames online, regardless of the computers used is actually not a bad idea. Most people have a ‘public’ persona and a personal one, at very least. You may wish to keep your professional comments, posts & work under one hat, while using a separate one for posting. Especially youngsters who like posting pictures of themselves online partying it up. That’ll bite them in the butt later when job hunting.

    Consistency in name use makes you all that much easier to track and find. Not the opposite.

    (You’re all moooooving me to much laughter.)

  1523. newbie said, on April 1, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Well, I’ve sat here and typed three comments without filling out the name and email. Poof..they are gone. I think I must get some sleep !
    Good night all.

  1524. Ina said, on April 1, 2010 at 10:56 am

    ? Hey I AM just discussing the topic with you guys, and newbie, I already said I think it is the guards superior who decides over it .

    RS if you don’t want to discuss, you just don’t. I don’t think Craig has to do anything about that?

    A discussing that is not allowed to meander, is not a discussion but just a row of the same ideas. You may quote me there :)

  1525. Myrtle Beach said, on April 1, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Well, Ina, with all due respect, and this is not to be unkind but may help you to see how you effect others. You have an obvious talent for being annoying that borders upon the childish in your continual bid for bandwidth attention whether you get any useful information or not. Language and cultural barriers aside, you appear to be very deliberate in trying to engage others in silly (lacking merit) exchange for the most part. Please know that I am not attacking you, nor am I bashing you, but I do admit that most of the time I scroll past your comments because I find your comments to be a waste of my time. But hey, that’s just me and my opinion.

  1526. C said, on April 1, 2010 at 11:40 am

    why don’t you people keep quiet and quit attacking posters here? Remember silence is golden.

  1527. sterling1462 said, on April 1, 2010 at 11:58 am

    DEAR ABBY: Please help me make my life better and answer a question that has been troubling me for some time. How do men on death row get their toenails cut? Are they actually given sharp objects to do it for themselves? I can’t figure it out. — PERPLEXED IN SOUTHWEST FLORIDA

    DEAR PERPLEXED: Your question is one I have pondered for some time, as well. Because men on death row are not supposed to have sharp objects, they take turns chewing each other’s toenails off. I have this on good authority — and I’m not conning you.
    —————–
    OKAY WHICH ONE OF YOU IS PREPLEXED IN SOUTHWEST FLORIDA???????????????/

  1528. Myrtle Beach said, on April 1, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    lololool, Sterling is that you over at Valhall’s?

  1529. sterling1462 said, on April 1, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    yep

  1530. Excuse me! said, on April 1, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    At least INA is interesting and can put a different slant on issues that makes one think.
    What is so wrong with trying to discuss things different ways. Mind sets are stale and
    boring. Ina is not boring, and overall is one hell of a nice lady. Her point about Casey
    not coming to trial yet makes good sense. However, Ina, it is as much for her safety as
    anything. Making contact with another felon could actually put Casey in danger too.
    You gotta think that a lot of people on the outside want Casey dead already and could be plotting with the other inmate to do her in somehow. It happens! Rules are rules, and if you have a rule in your house you probably expect them to be followed, having good reason. I don’t know why some get irritated at you, they don’t have to read your comment, so what up with that?

  1531. Inky said, on April 1, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    http://www.orangecountyfl.net/cmsdocs/dept/correct/inmateinfo/inmatehandbookenglish0609.pdf

    here is the inmate rule book for those of you with questions regarding the rules of inmates in the pokey.

  1532. Inky said, on April 1, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Inmates are not permitted to write to other inmates incarcerated within the Orange County Correctional Facilities.

    one of the rules in the rule handbook for inmates.

  1533. Ina said, on April 1, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Thanks Inky!
    I read they have to wear jail clothes, not their own clothes, why would that be?

    Thanks Excuse me, that is very nice of you. Safety issue: I try and grasp. :)

  1534. mixologist74 said, on April 1, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Do prisons/jails in Europe allow their inmates to wear their own clothing?

  1535. Inky said, on April 1, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    ina, my best guess, is ..their own clothing may have hidey holes that only the inmate would know about, and could hide things that could endanger themselves or other inmates, and the fact that it would turn into a high school type mentality of who dresses cooler, or who is wearing gang colors..etc…if they all look the same in dress, no one is offended, and it keeps tempers at bay..i know not…but..hey..i guess you have to be a criminal to understand the reasonings….(smiles)

  1536. nom de plume said, on April 1, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Thanks for submitting that, Inky. I found it interesting reading. (They have to take AT LEAST 2 showers a week!) Thanks goodness for rules. (insert smiley face here)

  1537. nom de plume said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    AND, if they escape, they are easier to spot in prison garb. That was the reason prison garb was originally black and white stripes, then it was orange here, but now I see the navy blue, which could look like medical scrubs.

  1538. Inky said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    nom, that too, if the inmates wear reg. street clothes, the chances of them walking out of jail unnoticed, is alot easier for the inmates..besides, i love they have to dress down in uniforms..it lets them know that if you commit a crime, your “pants on the ground” will no longer be needed, you will be wearing pants up to your waist and then some..lolol

  1539. Excuse me! said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    For instance @3/31 11:00 am. Ina, I never thought of any of that and find it very interesting to consider.

  1540. talking2much said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Yes that was interesting reading Inky, thanks for posting that.

    Ina, I would think personal clothing could cause fights,( example, I like your shoes, I think I’ll take them) and as Inky said gang colors would definitely cause problems too.

    Also for purposes of identification, if inmates have a jumpsuit, it’s easy to see who belongs where.

  1541. Ina said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Thanks all, lots of reasons and some make sense to me. The escape thing f.i. You can spot a person in orange.
    @mixologist: I looked it up, prisoners are allowed to wear their own clothes in my country since 1983. In 2001 the last juvenile prison got rid of prisonercothes.

  1542. amazed said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    @ C & excuse me, no one attacked Ina, one person left in disgust over the need to argue almost any point that is brought up, it does seem to be an obsession, but I am sure will be good fodder in the protected room, terribly grown up don’t you think? As for Marmalade, don’t use it it just doesn’t mooooooove me. I can however see what their attraction to each other might have been. I am willing to read or pass over comments that annoy me.

  1543. Ina said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Eexcuse me, do you mean the money Casey could make if she would sell her story before her conviction, to avoid the Son of Sam law? Could she do that?

  1544. Inky said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    if she sells her story before conviction…she will surely be convicted…lol no attorney in his right mind would allow such folly from their client whom is up for a DP, in a heinous murder case against them.

  1545. Inky said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    and yes, she could sell her story before conviction, as she has NOT been convicted of the murder crime yet. Only the economic crimes, has she been convicted of.

  1546. Ina said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    @Inky I think it is hypthethical yes, but is it against the law? It would pay the bills… And she is innocent till etc. I do think hell would brake loose.
    Must go, sorry! I will read any replies later. Have a nice day!

  1547. Ina said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Oops there is my answer thanks Inky :)

  1548. Inky said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    not against the law, unless you are tried, and convicted of crime, charged with. after you are convicted, it becomes against the laws.

  1549. talking2much said, on April 1, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Inky your right..no attorney in his right mind…ect.

    But I bet JB told her not to talk to anyone and here we find out she has writen 250 pages of letters LOL, she doesn’t take direction very well.

    I bet the defense team had a collective stroke over that.

  1550. Inky said, on April 1, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    lol. no doubts on that talking2. the defense at this point is more of a joke, than anything i can ever remember seeing or hearing about in a dp case. just like the parental anthonys were told not to talk,,what do they do..go all over the media, for what purpose i could not tell you, but they have sealed socios fate. between the defense, and the parents..socio’s fate is sealed.

  1551. Myrtle Beach said, on April 1, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Thanks Amazed. I do not like to be an ugly sort of blogger – really. Nor do I wish to contribute in any way to the gator food ain the derelict’s cave, but sometimes a girl’s gotta do what a girl’s gotta do.

  1552. talking2much said, on April 1, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    INKY

    No kidding! If you think about it, most of what we know, most of the bad press has come from her parents or her lawyers. If there was any doubt about her guilt…they set most of us straight real quick!

    I’ll never forget JB saying..if my client tells what she knows, the State will lock her up for life! Genius!

  1553. Inky said, on April 1, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    i don’t think the new addition of “perry” mason, is going to change the outcome of this trial..at all. what has been said, and done up to this point, cannot be erased, or taken back..the sentiment is socio is guilty, and if a jury of her peers does not make her pay, you better believe someone in the general public will. not me, of course, i am a lover, not a fighter, but there are some other sociopaths out here in the free world who would love to do to socio, what she did to caylee..

  1554. Inky said, on April 1, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    talking, you have a fantastic blog personality. i love it. you are so right in that you stated ALL the bad press has come from the very people whom i know were trying to exonerate her from the crime..lolol. and of course socio herself, gave bad press..lolol all the lying, and cold hearted statements …yep..a crime that is clearly pin-able on socio.

  1555. talking2much said, on April 1, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Awww thanks Inky!

    Gotta go, for some reason real life keeps interupting my blogging! Something realy has to done about that by trial time!

    I’ll try to catch up with you all later.

  1556. nom de plume said, on April 1, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Inky, now that ttm (talking) is gone, I will talk about her. I have known her since the original WFTV blog when all this started. She has always been the same person, always trying to keep the peace, humorous, informed and informative. I have a lot of respect for her. She has calmed me down more than once.

  1557. talking2much said, on April 1, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Hahaha I caught you Nom! Giving compliments behind my back!!! Thank you so much for that. :)

  1558. Doug Wollenburg said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    The more Mr. NaJame speaks and or writes the more I like him. He SLAMS Baez every time and Mr. NaJame is correct on every account…

    I would love to hear what George and Cindy did to get him to leave them (I have an idea it was to lie and defame Mr. Miller and T.E.S.), since he and T.E.S. both came to help and now he represents T.E.S. against the Anthony’s.

    Keep up the Great Work Mr. NaJame

  1559. talking2much said, on April 1, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    Doug

    I’m looking forward to the hearing for that reason, I believe NeJame even asked for attorney’s fees for this hearing because this issue has been ruled on already.

    Should be fun to watch!

  1560. Doug Wollenburg said, on April 1, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Mr. NaJame deserves all the Fee’s he can get. The Taxpayer’s need to get upset with Baez and Company for wasting all his time and our (taxpayer’s) money, plus the court has already ruled on this. True, all Casey has is time and (Taxpayer’s) money, and since she can’t kill Caylee again, she’s just beating this Horse to Death…I guess this is “Fun” for them, and Casey get’s out for a few hours. Again more “Fun”.

  1561. knight owl said, on April 1, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    Ina, i am sure Casey would like the jail run like her hangout place Fusion Lounge and congical visits with Tony but to her despair this is the good ole United States and it ain’t gonna happen because it is Jail. If she needs human contact she has her Mother Cindy who thinks she is Mother Of The Year, her Father George that thinks she is a Ceo of a conglomerate and a brother Lee that believes every word she says, they can all go and visit her and all she has to do is tell them too and i am sure they would all run over to the orange county jail fast as they could.

  1562. talking2much said, on April 1, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    This motion about TES records reminds me of when JB threw a fit about the tips, he kept filing motions saying he needed them, come to find out he left them sitting gathering dust, then complained they were going to cost $900. ! lol

  1563. judypc said, on April 1, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    Ina maybe this will help, Casey is in isolation because they fear other inmates would do her harm.
    They are protecting her, which in all honesty I feel is a HUGE waste of tax payer money.
    If they had put her in general population I think she would have talked long ago.

    The rules in regard to inmates passing private notes is very simple, jail staff must attend to the safety and well – being of the staff as well as inmates, that means NO private communications, except with ones attorney.

    The persons she was passing notes to 1 was a convicted gang member in on drug charges, the other convicted of the murder of a 13 year old girl, she strangled her to death while two others held her down.
    Casey is a convicted felon, and is facing the death penalty, now what if they were planning an escape?
    What if they were planning the murder of another inmate, planning alibis, any number of nefarious things.

    The guard in question not only placed herself in a very questionable position, she placed L.E. under the glare of the defense, they will scream entrapment, when in reality she was trying to prove she was worthy of these felons trust, she wanted to play the I am one of you bit.

    In doing so she has placed undo hardship on the State, as they now must defend themselves against criticism brought by defense, time will be consumed in court while they argue the letters written being entered as evidence.
    AND she has caused her own attorneys hardship as they must now fight to keep out of evidence what ever is in those notes.
    So now the tax payers get to foot the added expense while this all takes place.

  1564. judypc said, on April 1, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    talking2much:

    I think Mark Nejame is going to take Jose’ to school come Monday.
    He is fed up with the games, and frankly I think he is fed up with Jose’s Stupidity.

    Will be interesting to see which member of team Casey goes up against Mark on Monday.

  1565. judypc said, on April 1, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    amazed

    My problem at this moment with the guard is they have been moved to a desk job and they are still getting paid.

    Sorry, but she should forgo the paycheck.

    Suspended duty from her regular duties, and still allowed to earn money on the states dime to me seems a tad bit to light of a reprimand, she should be dealt a harsher hand.

  1566. nom de plume said, on April 2, 2010 at 7:55 am

    In response to Doug 4-1, I know that NeJame was doing his thing for the Anthony’s as a favor (he is the friend of a friend of the Anthonys). I read on another blog that he said if he ever heard of the Ants profiting from Caylee’s death, he would be out of there. I imagine he would use any excuse to get away from them when he realized what he was dealing with!

  1567. talking2much said, on April 2, 2010 at 8:23 am

    This is an excerpt of NeJame’s press release when he resigned, I think it was for a few reasons, they wanted him to beome involved in the defense of their daughter and they wouldn’t stop talking to the media.

    Clipped:

    “I believe that the singular person out of the 6 billion people in the world who holds the key to finding Caylee is her mother, Casey Anthony. Although I was quite successful in resolving a multitude of matters, I am unable to go further to help George and Cindy find Caylee in my current role. I can only provide my best advice and must respect any client’s prerogative to do what they deem is best, whether they choose to follow my guidance or not. However, there is little value or use I can provide to any client if they choose to act and comment at will.

  1568. amazed said, on April 2, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Judypc, I agree that this guard should not be getting paid in any way shape or form, but I suppose they have to go through an investigation first. I see her being fired when all is said and done, however, I think she did it to get her own payday through the media.

    This tiny innocent baby sure is supplying money and attention to a lot of people.

  1569. Snowy said, on April 2, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Reasonable Doubt. Is there any? Maybe I can spark some interest this time. :-)

    *******
    As my understanding basic facts in a criminal case can be disputed (by the prosecution or the defense). And then these facts as presented to a group of jurors can be interpreted in different ways. The reason, I assume, that jury selection is so important.

    *******
    Noting Valhall’s timeline (as a layman – JMO) on June 16th:

    ******
    DESKTOP:

    Midnight to 1:00 am high user activity on desktop
    NOTE: As laptop activity below infers that there was indeed laptop activity sometime before midnight and GA stated Casey’s car was in driveway some time after 11 pm (15th) when he arrived home from work, I will assume it was Casey on the laptop and George on the desktop during this time. Why would Casey, if home, suddenly change from laptop to desktop as George arrives home?

    1:00-7:00 am no user activity on desktop
    7:00-9:00 am high user activity on desktop
    NOTE: I agree with JWG that this was most likely Casey

    9:00-10:00 am no activity on HP desktop
    10:00-noon high user activity on desktop
    NOTE: Doesn’t really matter which one of them was on as I consider the above 7:00-9:00 activity to tie Casey to the home.

    12:00 noon-1:00 pm no activity on HP desktop

    12:50 pm GA states KC and Caylee leave house.

    1:00-3:00 pm high user activity on desktop
    NOTE: As Casey logged approx 60 min of actual phone conversation & maybe text messages during this time frame and was not at home (per George) I am inclined to think it was George on the desktop. YET…

    George leaves the house at 2:30 to go to work
    NOTE: So assuming George has been truthful about Casey leaving and was not late that day for his 3:00 pm shift – who was on the desktop? Was it Casey?

    Maybe…If Casey left the home at approx 12:50 pm and bided her time elsewhere with 60 or so minutes of conversation it might put her return to the home to use the computer at or within the 2:15 – 3:00 timeframe. I would expect forensics, then, to show a lull (or change) of activity to allow the switching of computer users (George & Casey).

    Maybe not…If forensics show very consistent high activity markers up right up until 3:00 pm without interruption it might mean Casey did not return and instead offers the possibility of another individual in the home (after Casey left) who remained on the desktop after George left the house? Someone George trusted, then?

    Most important…Whether or not Casey returned to the home there does appear to be a ‘window of opportunity.’ By this I mean an opportunity to hand Caylee off to another. Is it certain that Caylee was with her mother if proven Casey did return home? If she left as George has stated and had to wait for him to leave for work at 2:30 – that is an approx hour to leave Caylee with a ‘sitter’ within the so called ‘ring of pings.’ And I wonder if the Pooh blanket, laundry bag, etc… went with them when they left the house? They were spending the night somewhere and Casey did do laundry elsewhere.

    **For all intensive purposes all of the above show Casey as having an ordinary day. Either she is capable of killing in cold blood or she was going about her day as she was secure that Caylee had been given to a ‘sitter.’ Personally, I lean more towards an accident – yet the dogs hitting in the back yard confusing. Would Casey harm Caylee (murder or accident) and just leave her behind in the yard for her parents to find?

    3:00-11:00 pm no activity on HP desktop
    NOTE: GA works 3:00 pm to 11:00 pm

    11:00-midnight high user activity on desktop
    NOTE: Again indicates that George is coming home from work and using the desktop. Casey appears to be at Tony’s for the night.

    LAPTOP:

    Midnight to 11:00 am no activity on laptop
    11:00 am to noon no activity on laptop

    11:27 am KC uploads one picture to her photobucket account (IP ties to Anthony home).
    VALHALL’S NOTE: Since there is no activity on the desktop between 9 and 10 a.m., this photo had to have been uploaded from KC’s laptop.
    MY NOTE: I am thinking the 11:27 time is a typo? If not, then it is reasonable to assume the photo was uploaded from the desktop (not laptop) as per the ’10:00-noon high user activity on desktop’ and further indicates that it was Casey on the desktop during this time.

    12:00 noon-1:00 pm no activity on laptop
    3:00-4:00 pm no activity on laptop
    4:00-5:00 pm no activity on laptop

    **As far as the letters are concerned. I feel it depends on who initiated the letters. If a letter was first offered to Casey by instruction of a guard she can hardly be held responsible. Real world – I am in jail for the first time and I am given a set of rules. Yet I am approached by an authority figure who is letting me know that this particular rule is not upheld in this particular jail. Would I do it? I would.

  1570. amazed said, on April 2, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    @ Snowy,

    I would hope that the prosecution team, to include LE are smarter than to give this group of media maniacs ( the Defense) anything like entrapment to garner any sympathy for the murderer. No reasonable doubt in my mind. As a matter of fact, it’s unreasonable to think anyone else had anything to do with it. For what reason? What did any Anthoy have that anyone would value to the point of taking the life of Caylee? No one but Casey wanted her gone.

  1571. Anon said, on April 2, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Snowy @ 12:44 PM

    For all intents and purpose your comment is rediculous. If you want to talk like a lawyer, go to Law School. That is why this blog has gone to hell in a handbasket. There are too many armchair lawyers and pseudo detectives spewing nonsense ad nauseum along with a disjointed foreigner who continues to drive away any reasonable commenter left here.

  1572. Newbie said, on April 2, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Good afternoon all,

    amazed…I certainly agree about there being an investigation before action is taken concerning the guard. But, while I am sure this is not going to happen, I would like to see repayment of the monies by the employee if the “allegations ” are proven and termination follows.

    Also, I think Mark Nejame is a class act. His statement was cleverly written.
    If I might add, Casey is not able to follow rules as has been shown by previous actions. Myself, I feel the guard is fully responsible on this one.

  1573. Newbie said, on April 2, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    oooooh, Anon, would you please critique my comment, seriously. I don’t care to be blubbering and not meet your standards since I have just starting commenting here.

  1574. Anon said, on April 2, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    newbie said, on April 1, 2010 at 10:08 am

    Ina cares to debate and is quite good at moving the subject to what she cares to argue. As you notice, she still has not given her opinion on the officer breaking the rules and being terminated for doing so….lol. She has danced all around it and moved the subject away from the question. lol Coy she can be !!
    ===========

    Newbie said, on April 2, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    oooooh, Anon, would you please critique my comment, seriously. I don’t care to be blubbering and not meet your standards since I have just starting commenting here.

    ===========

    You just starting to comment here, I hardly think so. And who are you to be calling the kettle black when you did yesterday, what you accuse me of today. Hmmmmmm!

  1575. Newbie said, on April 2, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Well, darn, I was wanting to see if Anon recognized sarcasi also.

  1576. Newbie said, on April 2, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    You are totally wrong. But I am not going to get in a hissing contest. I will use the opportunity though to apologize to Ina. I had intended on doing so in the a.m. tonight so as not to distract from the comments.

    So, INA, I feel badly that I made what to me was to have been appreciation of your mind. As you know, this was a light hearted matter between you and I. I am rather hesitate to say much more as I did not realize the animosity of some here. I still am impressed and amazed at where it leads you…many questions that don’t even enter my head and for which I usually don’t have an answer.
    Know that I cared to say this on the blog since that is where I “stepped in it.”

  1577. Snowy said, on April 2, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Well Anon, there’s certainly plenty of room for couch potatoes as well. Welcome to the blog. :-)

  1578. Newbie said, on April 2, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    I apologize also for letting my fingers get away from me and disrupting what was happening here.

  1579. amazed said, on April 2, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    @Newbie, no apology necessary. Some people just have to lecture, everyone reads and investigates in their own way, who cares, we all know that we can respond or ignore.

    In the end, all any of us have is an idea or opinion, Casey Anthony alone knows exactly what happened, and she has no inclination to reveal the truth. So since theories are all we have, and some evidentiary documents to tie them together in some form, we are all in the same boat.

    Ina is different, as she really seems to be just anti anything that goes with any rules or punishments, but I have come to learn that she is not as bad as I thought, and that I can ignore what sets me off. I don’t understand her overwhelming concern for Casey and her lack of any remorse over Caylee, but we are all different. I suppose if Cindy and George can write Caylee off it should be no surprise that others can.

  1580. Excuse me! said, on April 2, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Newbie, @ 1:11 Totally agree with you.

    Anon @ 12:44
    How about the following example: (it happened/happens)
    A Canadian who has their own blog, goes on to an American Citizen’s blog and says to
    another commenter, (probably an American Citizen :-) “You Dare Come In Here”, blah, blah, blah! on and on!!! Doesn’t that take the cake?? LOL

  1581. Newbie said, on April 2, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    amaze…thank you but I think I over-reacted…lol. Without wanting to get anything going, I would like to say I think Ina is brilliant…sometimes misdirected and maybe frustrating but brilliant no less.
    Talking about Casey, I still have it in my mind that she was so angry that when she left the house with Caylee crying and upset, she did what al in her family is known to do….she choked her, till dead. Then she used the masking tap as a mean way to put the hurt to G & C. Maybe I have just gotten paranoid as to how far this family would go to hurt the other.

  1582. farrah104 said, on April 2, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Valhall at “The Hinky Meter” has a new thread up– The Importance of Melissa Earnest’s Interviews.

    Melissa is at Hinky’s attempting defend herself. There’s posters skeptical of Melissa’s story & she’s taking quite a pounding. It’s oddly entertaining.

    I should feel bad for Melissa but it’s hard to have sympathy with anyone inserting themselves directly in the case.

    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=2156

  1583. Excuse me! said, on April 2, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    If anyone bothers to really read Ina, she has great empathy and compassion for all who
    are harmed. She does care about Caylee, What does anyone else say except at the end of some Anthony bashing comment, once in awhile “Justice for Cahlee” Those three words are supposed to take away all the nasty we “saints” throw back and forth on each other.

  1584. Newbie said, on April 2, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Excuse me, I think you just told it the way it is !!

  1585. Excuse me! said, on April 2, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    Newbie, Thank you.

  1586. caseywillbih said, on April 2, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    the casey crush/lover is lossing it yet again

    so monday is the hearing and we should also know if they (defense) try to stop the letters from getting out

  1587. talking2much said, on April 2, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    farrah

    Mellisa is taking a battering at Val’s! LOL

    Here’s the lesson, don’t take some bogus BS to somewhere like the Hinkey Meter, you WILL get nailed.

  1588. Anon 2l said, on April 2, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Seems Ive just came in at the Genesis of an Ina fan club. LOL

    I think Ina is probably into certain ’causes’. Its clear she is anti capital punishment and she probably is a huge proponent of Amnesty International.

    For being a humanitarian, I applaud her, but she’s picked a poor case to espouse her beliefs and attempt to influence others, its getting old.. That’s imho her main agenda for being here. She’s on a mission. If she does care about Caylee, I cant remember hearing her express it.

    We all know Ina is a very adept googler of information. .Pretending ignorance when she has obviously been following the case from the beginning is no longer viewed as innocuous. No, Ina is into provoking thought and ideas. No crime there BUT when a blog descends into revolving around one poster or another blog for that matter, that’s the slippery slope. I think this blog is heading for the slalem. Ina and the other blog take centre stage here far too often.

    That’s why she keeps coming back. lol

    Solution, if she bothers you, do as I learned to and scroll on by, but as happened yestereday, someone just flouncing off, promising never to return is pretty childish as well as a bit too lofty.

    Ina’s not going to change her modus operandi, ever. Then she’s be just like the rest of
    us, mediocre and forgettable.

  1589. Newbie said, on April 2, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    Interesting statement. Anon 2l.

  1590. Excuse me! said, on April 2, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Anon, Ok I for one will stop reading Ina here and look forward to everything you have to say. You have the floor for your agenda, lets see what you wish to promote and what you think is right and the way everyone should behave and write regarding this one terrible crime of an innocent child. I seldom mention Caylee by name, I do not feel it necessary to write horrible judgement about any of them because I need to think I know it all. There are commenters (not meaning you) other than Ina, who are about as nasty and self righteous as can be and to be honest with you, using the death of this baby to get on blogs and pour animosity and nastiness toward anyone who happens to comment anywhere near them. Just trying to state, there is no one any better than another here, there, or elsewhere. I’ll watch for your serious input here on Monday.
    Seriously and with respect. Taking the weekend to do something else.

  1591. Anon 2l said, on April 2, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Excuse me

    Seriously and with respect you need the weekend off. Methinks ….doth protest too much

    If you choose to go out of your way to defend another blogger dont be surprised if you provoke a response.

    I have no inention of labouring the issue of Ina…..believe it. With that said I hope this blog gets back on track.

  1592. frankie said, on April 2, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    My goodness and here I thought we were discussing skanky casey! LOL I will, however, point out that a debate is ON TOPIC with discussions both pro and con about a given issue. It digresses into an contentious aggravation when one blogger steadfastly purports to be superior in intellect and sensibility and fails to acknowledge the valid statements of the opposing side. It is counterproductive when one party claims ignorance of the subject matter or is genuinely ignorant of the subject matter and refuses to review the topic prior to posting silliness.
    Anon21: I mostly agree with your post of 6:53. I do not however ascribe such lofty motivations! LOL

  1593. HeroesFan said, on April 2, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    Casey Anthony Web Of Lies


    ______________________________

    I found this video interesting because it includes family photos of Casey & Lee as children that I never saw before. Thought I’d seen them all. Also some lies Casey told I never heard!

    Any news on Casey’s jailhouse letters? Didn’t find anything new today. Now easing myself back out for a few days..lol..hope no ones still mad at me for the f bombs at another site. I really like you guys, even Ina.

    Happy Easter Everyone!

  1594. HeroesFan said, on April 2, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    Interesting exchanges between Melissa Earnest & The Hinky Meter bloggers-

    Valhall questions Melissa:

    1. Melissa, why did you go to Cindy in November 2008 instead of law enforcement?

    2. Did you, or did you not present the picture of the girl as one you felt looked like Caylee?

    3. If you never thought it was Caylee, then why did you maintain and foster a relationship with PR Zenaida from November 2008 until July 2009 when she finally added you as her friend?

    4. How did the NE learn of your text messages from Cindy?

    5. What led you to decide you’d sell said text messages from Cindy?

    6. Is the falling out with Cindy in December because you were about to sell your text messages to the NE?

    7. Why did you tell law enforcement in August 2009 that you were coming to them because your mom advised you should because of a fear Cindy was trying to use you to create a new story – when, in fact, you initiated the relationship with Cindy, you initiated the relationship with Zenaida, you continued that relationship with Cindy and Zenaida, and you promoted that relationship and confidence with Zenaida. How did Cindy force you to do any of that? I don’t believe she did, did she? I think you were doing this because you wanted to – right?

    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=2156

  1595. HeroesFan said, on April 2, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    Valhall confronts Melissa:

    IN FACT, upon review of the error in my article I find I was not so diligent in researching the TRULY BIZARRE nature of your involvement in this case. I may just do that now! Because you hanging out here and protesting the way you are has got me curious.

    NOW – If I had not corrected my article (which basically meant removing it) – you’d have something to piss and moan about. But I did – and you don’t.

    ABOUT YOUR GRIEF – apparently hanging out on my blog is causing you grief. I can think of at least one definitive way to correct that. And I encourage anyone who wants to get your side of this story to trot over there, read what you’ve got, lodge their questions and get an answer from you. I don’t have any great compunction to tie your time up over here. Get it?

    AND THEN LASTLY – you charged me with “placing judgment” on you. Please indicate exactly WHERE I placed judgment on you. Because I don’t believe I have stated a single definitive position about you – or about your actions…yet.

    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=2156

  1596. HeroesFan said, on April 3, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Valhall to Melissa Earnest:

    Also, I’m not the one that played Nancy Drew up in a murder case, started chatting with a grandmother who has lost her damned mind and is desparate to find ANY out for her murdering daughter, sent bizarre pictures of strange children to people trying to trick them in some sadistic manner into what??? Melissa??? what???

    what exactly was the purpose???, because you thought that a woman in Puerto Rico that the Anthonys had NEVER heard of was being framed by Casey who never mentioned her and by a defense team that never named her as a suspect?

    And then you didn’t call a single law enforcement officer with any of the things you were so suspicious of for almost a year, and passed information you were pulling out of a total stranger who thought they were chatting with a friend in confidence to some one else!

    *********************

    Good for you Val, you said what I’ve been thinking. Knew I wasn’t alone!

  1597. HeroesFan said, on April 3, 2010 at 12:07 am

    See, this Melissa lady certainly brought out the worst in more than 300 comments over at Hinky Meter. So you can understand why my foul language may have been provoked.

    No excuse & for the f-bombs but I was looking at back to back shows of ‘The Wire’ on HBO dvd’s & every other word is **** . Best cop show ever….lol…it’s true, I love that ***** show. Joking sorry but they cuss a lot.

    Melissa’s the kind of girl you just can’t stand, sort of like the Anthonys. Brings out the worst in normally sane people like myself. Won’t bring it up again.

    Peace & Love
    Happy Easter Friends!

  1598. HeroesFan said, on April 3, 2010 at 12:15 am

    OK one more from a blog owner WHO KNOWS MELISSA EARNEST:

    » DD CMA BLOG said: { Apr 2, 2010 – 06:04:10 }

    uhh lol lol lol , couldnt contain my laughter lol , i hope people dont think that on our blog we think Melissa is innocent, but being that we knew her , we felt if we put in alot of attitude in our posts on her , that it wouldnt be really fair. We didnt want to post with a biased opinion.

    I always thought that once this came out people would have the same opinion on her doing this , that I did, and I was right lol , one of the reasons our online friendship ended was that she wouldnt leave this alone and that she tried to sell her story. yes she actually thought that was caylee , we argued till we were blue in the face with her about it . If you see in the convos over on our CMA blog , that i had with her , i constantly , when she talked about this , told her WTF RU DOING ? She herself will tell you it made me pissy lol good post :r

    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=2156

  1599. HeroesFan said, on April 3, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Oh someone said “HeroesFan is back’ well truth is I never left. Didn’t I tell you the blogging world is only an illusion? We can be whoever we want, I’m always reading, learning online, I’m never ‘gone’ what makes you think you know where & when I will be at any given time, you really, really don’t control me.

    We all use names that are not our birth given name including most everyone here & other Caylee blogs…including some of your most lyal & you know it.

    I have & aplogize for nothing since I do it for security reasons, not to hide from someone who preys on bloggers, you don’t worry me at all…as long as I keep a safe distance from the likes of you. I’ve nothing to hide or be ashamed of I like who I am.

  1600. amazed said, on April 3, 2010 at 8:26 am

    Okey Dokey,

    Seems like Melissa has herself in a tad of hot water. Kinda like someone on the baldaintbeauthful site. I never ceased to be amazed by people, thereby comems the name.

    Melissa sure did bite off more than she could chew, but it seems that trying to make money off of poor Caylee has become job replacements for some people. By the way I have never signed off with Justice for Caylee, but I certainly do mention her, as she is what this is all about. Each to their own, but I have always found that most people who put rights of criminals ahead of rights of victims are a little lacking somewhere.Compassion for evil over compassion towards the innocent is a little off.

  1601. Ina said, on April 3, 2010 at 11:28 am

    @Anon: just for your information: Objection! I am coming back here to learn more about the law in this case. And I learned a lot about that, in spite of hostile witnesses and being overruled a lot lol. Happy Keaster. :)

  1602. farrah104 said, on April 3, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Melissa Earnest is quite the sniveling coward. She’s at her blog sitting on the big red delete button. Must have been there all day, doesn’t this infantile acting woman have children to raise?

    1. I asked Melissa if she attempted to sell her story to the National Enquirer? Basic question??–DELETED

    2. I asked Melissa if she implicated an innocent little girl from Puerto Rico who looks nothing like Caylee??–DELETED

    3. I asked Melissa if she was acting as a double agent- a spy who double crossed both Cindy Anthony & the innocent grandma of the innocent little girl in Puerto Rico??–DELETED

    4. I asked Melissa why she didn’t contact police first thing if she truly believed she found ‘a live Caylee’ with ‘Zanny the Nanny’??–DELETED

    5. I asked Melissa how on God’s green earth could she INSIST this child looked like Caylee when anyone with nortmal vision sees she doesn’t resemble Caylee at all??–DELETED

    6. How are you honoring Caylee by posting degrading photos of her grandmother? We know what Cindy is, she’s just like you– a pathetic subhumane liar.

    I have about 100 more questions as the bloggers on Hinky did, but when asked to anser–that’s when Melissa Earnest got vile & nasty. Why did she even go there? Now she has a disgusting thread up disrespecting Val, this shows her true colors. With an immature photo that parodies Valhalls hard work!!

    Yep another one inserting themselves but unwilling to be held accountable when called to task & confronted for being another blood sucker in search of finacial, personal rewards.

    Another lying pos among many that latched on to Caylee’s death for nefarious reasons. You belong IN THE ANTHONY CAMP WHY DON’T YOU KISS & MAKE UP WITH CINDY..two peas in a pod.

  1603. nom de plume said, on April 4, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Excellent post Judy pc. What could he have been thinking?

  1604. hazaka said, on April 4, 2010 at 10:15 am

    HELP —-been off for a few day …. who in heaven’s name is : Melissa Earnest ????

  1605. talking2much said, on April 4, 2010 at 10:26 am

    hazaka,

    Melissa is the person who sent Cindy the screen shot of the little girl in PR. After Caylee’s remains were found.

  1606. craigatwftv said, on April 4, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Yup, lots getting banned. Thank you all for making this so difficult.

  1607. hazaka said, on April 4, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Craig….. don’t you mean …… making banning people EASY? :-)

  1608. knight owl said, on April 4, 2010 at 11:15 am

    ”Happy Easter” moderator Craig and Poster’s.

  1609. craigatwftv said, on April 4, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Yup, easier than I wanted it to be. Sad thing is, even those I’m banning I usually agree with. Just can’t have that kind of discussion taking place here. Just not what this is about.

  1610. BEES KNEES said, on April 4, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    What’s going on? Craig, why is it tough to delete trolls? Is that what you’re talking about? If you need to vent you can email me, Craig. Ha ha ha ha ha . . . . seriously, I’m getting a sinking feeling that I am going to have to read a kajillion emails to figure out what’s happening? But . . . I’m lazy. I don’t want to do the work. Can somebody fill me in? Joking. I’m off to untangle it all. Hi Knight Owl! Give Louie a scratch from me.

  1611. BEES KNEES said, on April 4, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Hmmmmmmm ~ THIS CASE! Honestly. You miss a couple days and when you come back it’s a whole new game!! So, does whatever it is that has everybody all freaked out have the initials M.E?

  1612. amazed said, on April 4, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    Bees Hi, Happy Easter. Craig same to you, I understand your position totally, hopefully BS will post something soon to give everyone some fresh information to chew on.

  1613. amazed said, on April 4, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    @ Bees, don’t want to mention any names and get in trouble, but read the blog baldaintbeautiful to see what was up, but comment there not here if you want to.
    Or read over” there. “

  1614. judypc said, on April 4, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Happy Easter Everyone.

    See you Monday after the hearing.
    If I am not banned ……..

  1615. BB said, on April 4, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    “All that garbage coming out of the mouths of babes”! From the mouth of a proposed
    Christian?

    “Come to me as little children” From the written Word of The God of Scripture
    Who has more power? Blasphamy of the Holy Spirit is unforgiveable!

    We will all be judged, Jesus despised huatiness, Pride is one of the “deadly” sins.

    Happy Easter Everyone!

  1616. BEES KNEES said, on April 4, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Happy Easter everyone! And amazed, thanks for the tip!

  1617. Valhall said, on April 4, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Stopping by to say I hope everyone had a very Happy Easter!

  1618. BEES KNEES said, on April 4, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    You guys have probably already heard about the blog radio tonight at 8 but just in case you didn’t, here’s the link below.

    “Will Casey Ever Have a Trial?” is the question. I think the answer is YES. She’s too stupid to plea so it will absolutely go to trial. Mason may or may not be still involved with the case by then, but either way, his career is going to take a hit JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER PERSON who snuggled up with her stinky Defense Team, right from Todd Black/Gil Cabot straight through to Todd Macaluso and Andrea Lyon and everyone inbetween. I have no idea what kind of reputation Cheney has going into this case but there’s no doubt in my mind that he’ll be ruing the dark day he ever decided to defend Casey Anthony before this is over. The people on the GOOD SIDE of this case will chew him up and spit him out like one of Padilla’s used toothpicks!!!

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Watts-Up-With-This

  1619. knight owl said, on April 4, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Hi Bees, if not for you i would have forgotten the blog radio about to start in three minutes. Thanks friend and i will give Louie a scratch behind the ears for you. I agree with you on Mason. I think he is gonna wish he had not gotten involved and bowed out like the wise man Mark Nejamne. I have no idea why he would even take on the case since he has nothing of value to defend Casey with. I was just watching a re-run of NG and it was about cindy’s deoposition. I am taken back ever time i see her chewing that gum like a cow with a cud at all places a deposiiton that she had to know would be for all the world to view. I wonder what Brad Conway thought about it? Hope you had a great Easter.

  1620. knight owl said, on April 4, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    I don’t know about anyone else but the wattt’s up was a bust for me. RH talks to fast and i didn’t learn anything i felt was of any value. would have been much better had Mr.sheaffer been on.

  1621. ThoughtElf said, on April 4, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    Is it safe yet for civil discussion? ;>

  1622. Anon21 said, on April 5, 2010 at 3:45 am

    Re the Steph Watts show

    Again he brings back Hornsby and Rozzi Franco.

    Rozzi brings a bombshell, Yep her sources(coughs) tell her that Baez smuggles in twizzzlers into the jail and the 50 or so letters exchanged between Casey and other inmates contains nothing but ramblings. Yes Rozzi that’s what most of the media have said also.

    Are these the same ‘reliable’ sources that told her Baez had done a deal fro 700,000 dollars payable after trial or that a week after Casey went missing in action Lee tracked a drunken Casey down in a bar.

    She then tells us she thinks the A’s were possibly in negotiations for a new 48 hours programme but it fell through because a third familly member (presumably Lee) wouldnt sign up. OK Rozzi , given your track record we can give this story the same amount of credability as your other non-stories.

    Truth is, this is all this reporter can bring to a discussion some 20 months of following it from a professional standpoint. Rozzi also claimed a few weeks ago on her Twitter page that she knew something about the Casey Anthony case, NO-ONE else knew lol Guess that would be the twizzlers.

    Agree with Hornsby, today’s hearing should be a short sraight forward affair and the Judge will deny the motion and should admonish Baez.

    Steph Watts still claiming police told him there was blood evidence in the trunk.
    Right Steph. lol Go read the discovery and bring on some well read Joe Scmos if you want to engage on some meaningful and accurate conversation about this case.

    Repeating the Rozzi and Richard show aint cutting it.

  1623. Ina said, on April 5, 2010 at 6:34 am

    Good Easter Monday :)

    I noticed md’s wp blog, a blog about the Anthony case- that is why I mention it here, is gone, has that got to do with his blackmailing women now to whom he sent a leave, to publish the adress? Or was it because of Glenn ? Of course he will be back to make more victims. Better to be warned. I know what he is capable to as well and that is allI want to say about it.

    I think the hearing today at 10.00am local time will be broadcasted by wftv? Not sure. I will try and follow what it is all about, but I wonder if there is a transcript of the text available, as I don’t understand all the time what is being said. My interest is also professional, it is for a thriller. But that is beside the point.

  1624. Ina said, on April 5, 2010 at 7:06 am

    Capable of ? Oh well :)

  1625. Snowy said, on April 5, 2010 at 7:40 am

    I know everyone has talked about whether or not fingerprints on particular pieces of duct tape found at the crime scene might link Casey to the crime itself. What about this possible scenario? The Anthony household has a roll of duct tape within reach. The roll, then, can be picked up, moved, or used by any member of the household. Let us say that Casey did just that – for whatever reason she simply picked the roll up (without using it) and placed out of her way. Wouldn’t we now have her fingerprints on the next available piece of tape (non-adhesive side, of course)? Next we’ll say another comes along who chooses to use the roll of tape to harm Caylee. This one is careful to wear gloves (or whatever) and leaves no fingerprints. I am thinking that Casey’s fingerprints might then remain to be found on at least one piece of duct tape at the crime scene? I suppose what I am saying is that the finding of any fingerprints on the adhesive side of the tape more important for me to consider any real connection to the crime itself. Unless what I am saying really doesn’t make any sense?

  1626. Ina said, on April 5, 2010 at 7:48 am

    Hi Snowy, it makes perfect sense! It is like that with more evidence, it can be explained differently. I think that is why it will be do difficult to find out what really happened in a short while.

    That other person would have to be someone of the household or a neighbour or a friend I suppose. I bet it will all be investigated and perhaps that is why it takes so long?

  1627. talking2much said, on April 5, 2010 at 8:02 am

    Ina your right, it would have to be someone with an awful lot of access to the house and everything in it, it would have to be a family member IMO, and really, why would anyone else in the family kill Caylee?

    Anon 21_ cute pic of Caylee.

  1628. Ina said, on April 5, 2010 at 8:17 am

    Talking 2much, why would anyone indeed, even the family, what could have been a motive , I can’t guess.
    I always sort of hoped it was an accident, less cruel perhaps. A lashing out. But was it Casey, or someone else, the car etc. Too complicated for me to speculate from here.

  1629. talking2much said, on April 5, 2010 at 8:27 am

    The only person responsible for Caylee was a person who didn’t want to be responsible for herself, no reason for anyone in the family to do this, no one in the family had “sole use and access” to the car( JB),

    People have a problem understanding why a Mother would kill her child, but it happends more than we care to think about.

    A person as selfish as this defendant would resent a 2 year old’s need for constant attention. All roads led to the Mother in this case.

  1630. Ina said, on April 5, 2010 at 8:40 am

    It is so hard to think of. But only time can tell?

  1631. Ina said, on April 5, 2010 at 8:42 am

    http://www.wftv.com/news/23053460/detail.html I think the hearing is to be seen there.

  1632. Ina said, on April 5, 2010 at 8:53 am

    http://www.wftv.com/video/23053765/index.html there it is

  1633. Ina said, on April 5, 2010 at 9:47 am

    http://www.wesh.com/video/23054182/index.html works better for me

  1634. ThoughtElf said, on April 5, 2010 at 10:40 am

    T2M

    Did you see the hearing? Seemed like a different atmosphere in there today.

    One thing I found very interesting was learning that Laura B’s TES forms & maps all said Blanchard Park. That is a point I find significant.

    Also significant is that LDB noted they have no intent to use JJ’s recording in any way. Did you notice she also slide in that the Defense were ‘victims’ of the recording. That was subtle and well done.

    The contrast between Mark N & LDB against JB’s speaking ability has never been more evident than it was today. They stay on point, clearly and eloquently, while JB rambles off on tangents. His use of ‘bombshell’ today sums up his style – it is more NG than it is courtroom appropriate.

    The body language between KC and Mason was revealing, too. Both barely acknowledged each other and leaned far away from one another.

    Wondering if the sidebar/in camera at the end was about the letters.

  1635. Ina said, on April 5, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Baez is not a very good defender I think, very clumsy and chaotic. Why was professor Lyon not there?

  1636. talking2much said, on April 5, 2010 at 10:47 am

    I did see it Thoughtelf,

    There WAS a difference today, no giggling and carrying on, there seems to be a chill between Mason and the defendant,it’s possible he told her what time it is and she does not like that.

    JB was a mess, his argument was lame and he knew it, hence the rambling.

    The issue of Laura Buchanan being at Blanchard is interesting, it seems she has misled the defense?

  1637. ThoughtElf said, on April 5, 2010 at 11:36 am

    T2M,

    Yep. Or rather, I believe that the defense may have encouraged her to play up (mislead) on her private searches apart from those with TES. Ties right in with her pressuring phone calls to JJ.

    Why they are even going down the JJ path is beyond me. He is so easily impeached at this point.

    The other thing I found very interesting was the difference in attitude both sides had in regards to the A’s. MN was courteous as to their concerns, whereas JB turned that around to state that Conway had no business seeing the records. It was yet another indicator that they are on clearly opposing sides. The defense has zero regard for the Anthonys.

  1638. Snowy said, on April 5, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Today’s Hearing

    ******

    Quote: Atty NeJame said Atty Baez’s lack of reviewing the records is “either laziness or sloppiness.”

    ******

    I was disappointed to hear Atty Nejame make this remark. I have always felt even from the very beginning that Atty Baez has a ‘method to his madness.’ I would hate to see the prosecution (to include Atty Nejame) underestimate defense strategy. I believe Atty Baez (as did Atty Cheney) fully expected this response (argument) from Atty Nejame. So why did they bother to file (re-file?) this same motion asking (re-asking?) for TES records when they apparently didn’t find the records too useful the first time around? Are they really just wasting (buying) precious court time? Or maybe attempting to misdirect the prosecution (and the public) as to which defense they are really going after?

  1639. ThoughtElf said, on April 5, 2010 at 11:50 am

    They’re playing to the media & potential jurors. JB said it himself, “All it takes is one jury member to have reasonable doubt.”

    That’s the entire strategy right there, in a nutshell.

    That was the sole purpose for reinitiating this tired argument.

  1640. ThoughtElf said, on April 5, 2010 at 11:58 am

    JB is quoted as saying, “It was ridiculous that they were allowed to communicate,” regarding the letters.

    It is also ridiculous that he doesn’t know his client well enough to know she was communicating. What other secrets does she have?

  1641. amazed said, on April 5, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    Jose looked and acted like an smirky weasel, which is what I think of him. I don’t think he has a method to his madness, I think he is simply in so far over his big head that he doesn’t even have the faintest idea of what to do or ask for. Get off your keisters and go look at the documents for crying out loud. How much simpler can it be?

  1642. Snowy said, on April 5, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    With no confession I just can’t see any advantage for the prosecution coming from Casey’s letters. Other than great book material the fact that another authority figure (the first LE Cain) failed to do his/her job another opportunity to be used by the defense to claim incompetence if they choose to go that route. I don’t, however, believe that either side (defense or prosecution) had anything to do with it. I think it is just another unfortunate ‘Cain’ incident.

  1643. knight owl said, on April 5, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Have we finally found an actual male Casey does not flirt with? Cheney Mason she should be giving a big smile too as he is the one that is suppose to walk her right out of court with him free as a bird but then Casey is not too bright now is she? She saves her smiles for clown Baez.

  1644. knight owl said, on April 5, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Anon 1, i love your Caylee avatar. That is the cutest sweetest picture of her i have ever seen. Darn that evil casey.

  1645. KNIGHT OWL said, on April 5, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    I Know there is no way Casey would have incriminated herself in those letters as i cannot see her as being that blatantly stupid but i could be wrong. Wouldn’t be the first time. For some reason my thoughts run more on Casey just seeing what she can get away with and who she can manipulate to do it for her. I agree with Snowy another Cain incident.

  1646. BEES KNEES said, on April 5, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Blink has a theory that those letters were an idea that Jose came up with months ago that will serve to incriminate Cindy & George who she feels are who the Defense will ultimately go after. I’ll find the link. BRB.

  1647. ThoughtElf said, on April 5, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Judging by both JB’s and Mason’s reactions after the last hearing, I doubt very, very highly that the letters were a defense plot. The priceless look they exchanged was one for the record books when a reporter asked them, “Has Casey been advised to stop talking to anyone?”

    With utmost respect, I don’t think Blinkster nailed it on this specific issue, although she’s gotten many other things dead-on, i.e. Todd Black.

    JB expressed his disgust with the guard just today in the InSession after-hearing interview. He stated that, “The communications should not have been allowed to happen.”

    Nope, this one is all Casey’s doing, and judging by her disgruntled appearance today, I think she’s finally had her CTJ meeting with Mason.

    Regardless whether the letters lack a confession, I’m still very interested in reading them as much for what she doesn’t say, as opposed to what she does say. I’ll be looking for references to Caylee, lack of remorse, and just what exactly she wrote (as quoted by JB) about ‘what she plans to do when she gets out’. I’m expecting to note many more instances of soulless fantasy.

  1648. amazed said, on April 5, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    TE I agree, what she does NOT speak of will hang heavily in the air. I know that if my daughter was dead, I ws in jail charged with the crime, and I was innocent, I would not be talking about anything but my sorrow at her loss, and my desire to find who killed her. Who knows what she wrote, but I am sure Caylee is not mentioned. What is it with this family? I mean there is this big white elephant in the room and no one notices.

  1649. FRG said, on April 5, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    04/05/2010 Motion to Compel
    Production of Tape Recorded Statement of Joe Jordan
    04/05/2010 Motion
    for Transcription
    04/05/2010 Court Minutes
    on Motion to Modify Courts Order for Documents in Possession of Texas Equusearch
    04/05/2010 Order Denying
    Motion to Modify the Courts Order on Defendants Application for Subpoena Duces Tecum for Documents in the Possession of Texas Equusearch
    04/05/2010 Correspondence
    http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=6236234

  1650. craigatwftv said, on April 5, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Judge Stan Strickland has DENIED the defense motion to obtain EquuSearch records: http://www.wftv.com/news/23053460/detail.html

  1651. BEES KNEES said, on April 5, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    WOO-HOO!!!!! Chalk one up to JUSTICE!!!

  1652. hazaka said, on April 5, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Howdy y’all……………….. wait for surprises…………………… :-)

  1653. farrah104 said, on April 5, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    I’m starting to like Mark NeJame..a lot! It’s about time someone stopped being subtle about Beaz’s sneakiness & stupidity & let em have it! J Strickland is slowly earning my respect again.
    ***************

    about d knechel:
    http://baldaintbeautiful.wordpress.com/
    or to:
    http://justiceforcaylee.wordpress.com/2010/02/18/justice-for-caylee-part-18/#comments

  1654. Nosy Parker said, on April 5, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    ……………….. wait for surprises…………………… Quote Hazaka.

    What does that mean?

  1655. Heroesfan said, on April 5, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    Hazaka, are you still clinging to a small glimmer of hope that someone else’s dna pops up? Something to exonerate her, it won’t.

  1656. Heroesfan said, on April 5, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Baez is babbling post defeat on HLN right now. Can he not stutter his way through ONE SENTENCE. He’s umm, uhhing, spit it out man!

  1657. talking2much said, on April 5, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    LOL Herosfan, I can understand why Geo and Cindy stutter, they always have a wad of gum in their mouths, but JB? He’s just dumb.

  1658. BEES KNEES said, on April 5, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    The courtroom today was a thing of beauty! I started to regain my faith in Judge Strickland again! Every time I start to worry that he’s too soft on the Duh-fense, he surprises me!

    ThoughtElf, you could be right about the purpose of those letters.

    Has anyone noticed how much better the WordPress Blogs looks today? I can’t put my finger on it but something has changed. It doesn’t have that bad stink that it normally has. Oh, plus there’s no potty-talk in the air. The place just looks soooo much brighter & cleaner somehow. It must be spring!

  1659. talking2much said, on April 5, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Bees, it’s all the spring cleaning that you noticed, all fresh and clean now.

    See when you delete the trash everything looks and smells sooo much better!

  1660. Heroesfan said, on April 5, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    Me too Bees, yay for J Strickland!

    Unfortunately the stench is back Bees. Sorry, nice while it lasted. Maybe it won’t reek as bad after being ‘exposed’.

  1661. Heroesfan said, on April 5, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    talking2much–you always make me laugh..Cindy was asked not to chew her cud by JS last time. She respects nothing, not even court of law. Deleted filth b/c he’s afraid, has ‘human interest’ thing about ‘Beatles’ but stench lingers. I must behave!

  1662. ThoughtElf said, on April 5, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Bees,

    What’s your take on the in chambers? Change in defense team, i.e. AL leaving, or perhaps the beginning of the (surprise) plea deal?

    Something has certainly changed. From the moment Casey entered the court room until she left, this is the most anxious that we’ve yet seen her. Both Baez and Mason were somewhat distant with her, especially Mason. and after the in chambers meeting, whatever Baez whispered to her had her more resigned as she left the court room.

    Not expecting surprises as some of this is expected.

  1663. talking2much said, on April 5, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    Herosfan I think Cindy and Geo are looking for work as the Wrigley’s Spearmint-Doublemint Twins! They need a new gig. The greiving grandparents role isn’t working out.

    Yep behave or get the boot! lol

  1664. BEES KNEES said, on April 5, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Damn! Heroes, I just got a whiff of something unpleasant. Gee, it was nice while it lasted.

    ThoughtElf, YES! There was absolutely a whole new vibe in the courtroom today. I even noticed it in Strickland’s eyes. God only knows what’s going on behind closed doors. It could be anything! No doubt it will become clear to us as the case plods along.

    The thing that is absolutely up my nose is the fact that we are still hearing about the body being moved! Excuse me! We HAVE forensics telling us clearly when that little body was dumped there. We have plant life growing THROUGH CAYLEE’S BONES!! Are they suggesting that someone from LE planted all of those tiny bones where they were found, taking the time to carefully thread plant life through the little bones? What a painstaking task that must have been! Seriously though, how can they still be arguing this. This is factual, right? It’s not subjective.

  1665. talking2much said, on April 5, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    Bees,

    We haven’t seen them but the defense should have seen the pics of the remains at the scene by now, they should know the body couldn’t have been moved, they should have seen the plants growing through the bones. But they know we haven’t seen them, and what they are doing in court is for our benefit, the potential jury pool, they want people to think someone is trying to keep important info from them. In summary: They know the body wasn’t moved, they are trying the case in the public arena.

  1666. Silverbullit said, on April 5, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    We can only hope the CTJ talk consisted of:

    1. Casey, the prosecution’s case against you is so strong we can’t find any expert witnesses to testify. Especially since Jose wasted all the money you did have and we’re now on the state’s dime.
    2. Casey, Jose cannot defend you and death penalty qualified lawyers are dropping from this case like flies.
    3. Casey, it’s all over the news that you wouldn’t talk to the people who were looking for Caylee and now the prosecution has over 50 pages of communication between you, a drug dealer and a murderess. Jose, why didn’t you let her talk to TES? You are partially to blame for this!
    4. Casey, why do you giggle and laugh in court? Remember, you are here because the nanny ran off with your daughter and they found her bones with weeds growing through them at the same burial ground you used for animals—what part of that do you find funny? And by the way, Jose, please act like you are her attorney NOT like someone enamored with her!
    5. Jose, by the way, what is the truth we would all understand once it came out? ‘Cause we ain’t got much to work with here and before the body was found that story would have cleared her…..what’s different now?

  1667. Nosy Parker said, on April 5, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    I did notice a difference in Casey’s demeanor today in comparison to the last motion hearing. She finally looks scared. Minimal eye contact with Mason and let’s face it they basically ignored each other throughout the hearing. If he’s her knight in shining armor here to save the day someone messed up and forgot to tell her about it.

    Even Baez’s interactions with her were minimal and he was looking around the court room as Casey read through the paper work ignoring both attorneys sitting beside her. Baez looked uncomfortable. Mason’s body language was also very telling. He never initiated any conversation with Casey. He positioned himself away from her and looked at her from hooded eyes while appearing to deliberately ignore her. Just as she was ignoring him. They’re on her team?? Not a very cohesive bunch.

  1668. Nosy Parker said, on April 5, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    I also felt like I was studying an insect in Biology class while watching Casey fidget and pick and straighten her clothes and hair etc. when the attorneys were in chambers with the judge.

  1669. ThoughtElf said, on April 5, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Silverbullit, I like your version, but I’d like to add at least one more point:

    6. Casey, you do realize that this is a Death Penalty case and your little notepad scribbles and pen flips won’t save you, don’t you? And rest assured that where you are going, you will not see Caylee again. And, they don’t provide big white sunglasses for the glare of the flames of Hades.

    I don’t think Casey is anymore scared than she was before. I really don’t. I think we’re seeing a Cindy-style reaction. Someone took away her ability to chit-chat in jail, and gave her hell for it – finally making her take responsibility. AND, a la Cindy, we’re also seeing the face of a control freak who thought she was really running the Defense her way, thanks to JB’s pandering, but Mason’s given her a great big ole’ reality check that he is in charge and she’s the perpetrator. Not the Princess. Not the MOTY. Not the star of the show. Not the one holding all the cards, the reins and the outcome.

    I’m marking this hearing down as the day the smirky, giggling, note-writing, pen-flippin’ laughter died. And I don’t expect to see it again, unless she boots Mason. She’s indeed had her CTJ, IMO. And it is about time.

    Bees, unfortunately, we heard this tiresome argument yet again only because they’d hoped to be able to tie it up later as a package deal with ‘junk science’. While they might be able to refute the Body Farm tests to some degree as new methodology yet untested fully in the courts, they can’t argue that forensics relating to flora, fauna and coffin fly growth is junk.

    It is subjective, as we’ve seen. People are subjective in what points they choose to accept without applying circular logic. And it is to those few, and them alone, that JB keeps grandstanding for. Both he and Mason knew going into today’s hearing that this motion for change would be denied. They’d filed this motion for the change before Mason came on board, and their purposes in seeing it through today were to get some things out there in the media in a roughshod attempt to find those few sad souls who like the bombshell style of lawyering more than they like facts & forensics. He pushed these points out there:

    1. Four searchers who said they searched close by the remains site: Danny I, Laura B, Joseph J, and the unknown Panama City police officer. Note that JB was very careful in how he phrased he sentence when he mentioned that Melich and Allen presumably knew about this alleged LE officer from Panama City. He practiced that particular sentence.
    2. In going on & on about finding those searcher photographs in the Sentinel JB’s sub-text was, “See! Look! I did do some research work by my very own self! I’m working hard for the money!” Note also that Judge Strickland was immediately skeptical, “What makes you believe this person was part of the TES search in that area?”
    3. While JJ didn’t show, perception amongst lesser informed case followers (or circular logic fans), will now be, “See? The defense has a witness.” Seed planted, although why they’d rely upon the easily impeached JJ is beyond me.
    4. The nth shot across the bow of the SS Caylee, captained by her none-too dignified or devoted Grandparents. In attacking Brad Conway’s participation in reviewing the TES records, JB was actually correct legally, as BC really didn’t have any legal right to see the TES records, but again the subtext was, “BC (thus the Anthonys), are not part of this Defense, or the prosecution for that matter.”
    > Intellectually I can’t fault JB for this argument because it is valid, but morally I side with Mark NeJame and certainly do applaud him for stating that he felt it was a courtesy of decency towards the grandparents to allow Brad Conway to review all of the records. Not because I have any concern over the A’s receiving any courtesies at this stage, but because it does highlight once again the difference in fine, ethical and compassionate lawyering in play here.
    5. JB did all he could safely to besmirch Tim Miller without crossing the line, but he came mighty close. close enough that Judge Strickland stated, “… concerned about the (Miller) characterizations because millions of people are watching.” (It was said in a quick response during a brief objection, so I’ll bet most missed it.)

    JB knew exactly what the outcome would be. As did Mason. They proceeded for the media/doubtful juror value, not for any evidentiary benefit.

    On the upside, we all saw the tension, heard a geed verbal smack-down and can count on NeJame and the SA’s both to continue fighting the good fight.

    To me Mason made it clear that he doesn’t like Casey. Which is fine, as many attorneys don’t like the perps they defend. He just has to like the law, and argue to it. Which is fine by me, as I believe the legal system will prevail in this case. It isn’t perfect, but it is also much more transparent in Florida than in many other places and that is a very positive aspect in this case.

    Damn hard to argue with T2M’s vision of someone on their knees in the muck trying to thread roots & shoots up through scattered wee little bones of a tiny murder victim, isn’t it? (Well, for logical folks it is). And that is an image that the State will easily draw upon when proving their case, amongst many others.

  1670. judypc said, on April 5, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    All in all, Mark NeJame ROCKS!!

    He did today what I have been waiting for, wiped that smug look off Jose’s face.

    Mark took em to school, then made em set in the corner wearing their dunce cap.

    Made Jose’s cough cough.. bomb shell kind of fizzle….. I LOVED IT!!!!!

  1671. judypc said, on April 5, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    Nosy Parker:

    The first thing that struck me when I looked at Casey today was, ” she was pissed”
    at someone, and I caught her glare at jose’ once as if she could smack him, seemed something was a bit amiss between the two of them today.

  1672. farrah104 said, on April 5, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    Joyangels) Joy // April 5, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    I agree gwen2009 I have numrous of video of the area before the body was found there… Even Mont the Pi has seen them, I dont trust Le so they can destroy more of evidence. Thats why I have more than one copy! Casey life needs to be saved. And the truth and justice most come out… Mark Nejames is hiding something that could save Casey Life!

    ***********************
    Joy Wray–what are you waiting for? Have you turned the videos over to police, showed the media? You could have saved Casey’s life about 2 yrs ago, what are you waiting for? This chic never ceases to amaze me!

  1673. farrah104 said, on April 5, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    If Joy ‘doesn’t trust LE’ why didn’t she give the video’s to the defense so they can prove Casey’s innocence & free her as* from jail? Why hasn’t “Mont the PI” who Joy says ‘seen the videos’ turned them over to the defense? Just like Macaluso Joy make promises she can’t deliver.

  1674. talking2much said, on April 5, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    farrah,

    Here’s the thing…poor Joy has residual issues due to all the hanging from trees and taking pics, she did that for her country I suspect as she has communications with former Pres. Bush code word Bush beans (shhhh keep that on the down low). We should all be thankful to her for her sacrifice.

  1675. judypc said, on April 5, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    This is the defenses problem, they can toss about as many smoke and mirror shows they want, but they can not change the very first piece’s of evidence in this case, that point to Only Casey.

    “It smells like theirs been a dead body in the damn CAR”

    It is the car Casey drove, by Jose’s own admission in the beginning “Only She Drove It”

    The forensics’ from that car puts it square in Casey’s lap.

    The second piece of evidence.
    31 DAYS!!

    The Third piece of evidence, “ The Long List Of Casey Lies”
    Empty apartment, no Zanny.
    Old folks home, No Zanny Momma.
    Universal, No Job.

    The Fourth piece of evidence.
    The Computer search’s.

    After the body.
    The forensics of the bones, insect, fauna, and items found with the body, will ultimately tell Caylees story, no they may not tell How, Why, or the exact moment of death, but they will speak Volumes.

    The duct tape, may not hold finger prints, it may not hold DNA, but what it does hold is premeditation , , and cold calculating intent to murder, it as well holds a link to the Anthony home and thus again shows Casey as the one who murdered her daughter, she has been pointed out as The Last Person to have had Caylee in her custody and control.

    So let them do the dance of the sugar plum fairies, and try to parade their cast of mis-fits before the jury that say they searched here, or there, when the drum rolls in the end, it will be Casey shown in the spot light, and no amount of smoke will hide the very simple facts.

  1676. farrah104 said, on April 5, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    T2m– I think it’s called brain damage, not to joke about the real injured but….when is Joy going to STFU? Must have fallen out those trees right on her head!

    I hope Detective Melich & Sgt. Allen read she’s accused them of destroying evidence at md’s blog today. I bet they’ll appreciate that! Someone should e-mail them her comment.

  1677. talking2much said, on April 5, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    Sequoia, that’s what she fell out of while on a top secret misson to save the world from invaders from another galaxy, it was all very hush hush.

  1678. farrah104 said, on April 5, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Maybe they told Casey to look serious because she was stifling giggles all thru the last court episode. Smiling the whole time, could barely contain her glee.

    Unless something behind the scenes went on today. I hope she’s upset, about time.

  1679. farrah104 said, on April 5, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    talking2much said, on April 5, 2010 at 9:53 pm Sequoia, that’s what she fell out of while on a top secret misson to save the world from invaders from another galaxy, it was all very hush hush.

    *********

    I amost spit my coke out, lol! But is she crazy..or coniving. Probably both! I seriously dislike Joy & have no sympathy for her …usually feel sorry for the mentally ill. IMO she’s too much like the evil anthonys.

  1680. OK said, on April 5, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    So does today mean we are never going to find out what the records say that NeJame
    holds?

  1681. talking2much said, on April 5, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    farrah I do think she is sick only because she has been Baker Acted so many times, I just don’t see how she could accomplsh that and NOT be sick but I think she has learned how to play it to her advantage too.

    OK it seems that we will not see the searchers info, aside from the 32 the Judge ruled on before.

  1682. farrah104 said, on April 5, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    T2M – Wish someone would beam Joy up to another galaxy! Looks like we’re stuck with the space cadet for the duration of the trial, maybe beyond! I hope they all go away after the guilty verdict, every last one of them!

  1683. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on April 5, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    ThoughtElf:

    Keep missing you, sup? Permit me to expound on many astute posts.
    So, if we are to believe Baez, the truth is paramount and second to none.
    What a statement, “WE want the truth” Okay, in the quest for the truth where did your evidence vanish …you know the aha moment, that would exonerate your client?

    Actually, JS revisiting motions…are truly grinding. What happened to that elusive evidence….rhetorical! My give a damn’s are broken.. :) I digress!

    I’ll concede Baez argument today may have enjoyed quasi-success had he come prepared, again he fumbled and stumbled. Perhaps, the best to surmise, Baez and the gray areas, will result in appeal issues.
    So how long before the “fun” honeymoon is over, and MASON proffers? Me thinks all this posturing will result in eleventh hour [pro bono, ha] round table discussion.

    Nejame commanded respect[even tho play for the camera] his experience/lawyering impressive.

    Good Night

  1684. ThoughtElf said, on April 5, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    I understand the curiosity that is Joy, but can someone please remind me why we’re back on the Joy tangent when it really will be much ado about nothing come trial time?

    (rhetorical.)

    What did we learn today about Joseph Jordan, Danny Ibsen, Laura Buchannan and the mysterious Panama City cop that allegedly searched? What did we learn about the defense strategy.

    And what will you be looking for in the soon to be released letters?

    Does JB get a freshly booked interview appearance every time he uses NG’s tagline “BOMBSHELL!” in court?

    (I’ll bet he did that on purpose as the NG producers are so lax in fact-checking and disregard all real value of the forensic evidence that he must be trying to guide potential jurors towards NG’s less than insightful/factual coverage of the case. I’d worry about Sheba being on the jury if I wasn’t already convinced that she’s a producer plant.)

  1685. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on April 5, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    sup?

  1686. ThoughtElf said, on April 5, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    Juz chillin’. Howze u Homie? Where u hanging ur gangstah hat?

    (That was hard to write no matter how much you made me laugh.)

  1687. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on April 5, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    Down in the Salt Mines with my peeps…14 hour days.

    Yeah, Baez has arrived…I mean full circles..lmao

    You made some valid points…Wray et al…perhaps JS give a damn is on the blink too?

  1688. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on April 5, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    ThoughtElf:

    I’ll be around this week….hanging in B.Shaff ‘hood. Schedule eases mid-week.
    Will find you here? Check you later…

  1689. ThoughtElf said, on April 5, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Perhaps, although that seems a bit hinky to me, but I am just a Spud, so what do I know about the intricacies of the law?

    Renewed respect for the astute call on the timing. I do believe that was right before CM joined. It is almost like you poked my eye out with that.

  1690. Scotswoman said, on April 6, 2010 at 12:53 am

    Another day at the chuckle factory. Cindy defying the no chewing rule AGAIN…lol

    So Jordan was going to be delivered to Court by his new lawyer but he had somewhere else to be?

    The defence showing what their whole case hinges on but hey coudln’t manage to get maverick Blanchard Park searcher Laura Buchanan there either.

    Mason looked less cocky…….maybe he’s caught up with the case.

    And JS had the b*lls to uphold his original and fair ruling.

    I guess you cant blame Baez for labouring this…….its all he’s got and the prize would be that one juror from freaksville buys it.

    Has the evidence in the car been moved yet? Has renowned Dr Neil Haskel fell on his sword. Nope didnt think so…….more work to do Jose!

    Will Mason stick with the losing side? I seriously feel a plea deal will being sought……….now, who’s going to break the news to Casey.

  1691. Nosy Parker said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:49 am

    I think that Mason has been trying to break the news to Casey and she’s pissed right off and refusing to go there. Her and Baez could barely look at each other these days.

    What a difference a year makes. Casey is unrecognizable when comparing he to when she would strut into the court room (granted with ankle chains-a-clanging) for her hearings way back when.

    George and Cindy look pathetic these days. Their producer escort/guy (Jim L.) is still right by Cindy’s side. He’s probably producing a documentary starring that despicable couple and if so I think it will end up biting him in the ass. JMO.

  1692. Silverbullit said, on April 6, 2010 at 7:02 am

    I heard on the news this morning the letters are full of complaints/criticism of George and Cindy. Could be another interesting day!

  1693. Myrtle Beach said, on April 6, 2010 at 7:52 am

    g’mornin’ everybody,

    I won’t know if I made the “list” until I hit submit, so I hope I get across the bridge (u know, the one with the trolls underneath it in Grimm’s Fairy Tales).

    OK, how can JB justify sitting on hiis a-doubleSS for 7 months when he has a Court Order telling him he can INSPECT the documents and do nothing but then re-appear before the Judge who issued the Order and p&m about not having access to the documents AND bill the client for it to boot. Very bad judgment all the way around. I think that says it all about the quality of his “lawyering.”

    P.S., I’ve been doing a LOT of reading and expanded my horizons and I am pleased to discover s blog where I share the same thoughts and emotions and also where I can pick up on who some of my friends are. I am a bit of a lunatic myownself.

    OK, “submit comment” here I gooooooo

  1694. amazed said, on April 6, 2010 at 8:09 am

    Hi all,

    Finally a bit of common sense in the courtroom. Although watching CIndy & George chewing in Judge Stricklands face was irritating. Trailer park to be sure.

    @ Hazaka, surprises to come??? you seem to be full of secret information, why not share? Good surprise or bad surprise? A GOOD surprise would be that Casey choked on a slim Jim and this whole miserable circus of lies and deceit is finally over. Or Joy Wray IS the star witness for the defense!!

    Yes Bees Knees, seems like nothing good last forever.

  1695. hazaka said, on April 6, 2010 at 8:40 am

    amazed — et al………………………………… I don’t know … but….. something is nagging at me ….. good or bad …. I don’t know…. just that surprises are yet to come….. :-)

  1696. amazed said, on April 6, 2010 at 9:02 am

    @Myrtle,

    Glad to see you made it across. I always try to tread lightly, no matter how strong my feelings are about certain things, there are ways to make a point without getting in trouble. Everyone know the truth anyway. I look forward to your comments as this circus of a trial progresses. Seems as if someone on Caseys team slipped up and let a non believer get in. (Cheney) That said, he will still try to deceive the potential jury pool to get her off, as that IS his job.

    Someone should write a truthful book from a defense attorneys point of view, on how they come to terms with helping criminals get away with things such as murder. Now that I would love to read.

  1697. judypc said, on April 6, 2010 at 9:03 am

    Maybe I am wrong, but looked like His Honor appeared to be just a tad bit ready to smack Jose’ around yesterday, the looks he shot from the bench to lawyer Jose said go ahead, cross that line, I’M waiting for you.

    Jose’ & Mason knew they would not get those motions, that whole dog and pony show had nothing to do with good lawyer-ing and everything to do with hoping to find one person out here in the jury world that distrust law enforcement enough to believe in their SODDI.

    Jose’s bombshell kind of laid there in a heaping steaming pile, but he did of course make it in front of the cameras and manage to blow more smoke up the arse of the injudicious media that seem to hang on his every word.

    In court when he had the nerve to call Nejame a media whore I prayed the judge would say, excuse me but how is ok for you to court the media and no one else?
    And ask, do you have interviews lined up for later today?

    NeJame called a spade a spade, in court and went so far as to state loudly that it was a farce, and SHOULD not be allowed to take place in a court of law.
    If more had his bravado and spoke out against the team Jose’s angst maybe it would put a stop to this Tom Foolery.

    To date Jose has made a mockery of the court, and been allowed to get away with it unfettered, I would have liked to have seen sanctions brought down by the court for miss-use of the courts time and the states money.
    He should not be allowed to use the courtroom as his staging ground for idiocy.

  1698. Myrtle Beach said, on April 6, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Hazaka, I get what you are saying. A friend of mine keeps saying “we ain’t seen nuthin’ yet” with regard to the twists and turns in this crime. She says it’s just a “hinky” feeling.

    Given how the Defendant likes to take things to the extreme edge, I’d almost bet a nickel that she wants to testify – ooooooooph.

    As far as harassing all these search people, what the heck for except to dig for any kind of dirt on anybody who was ever in proximity of Caylee’s discovered remains in hope of causing the slightest reasonable doubt. How desperate is that? The trunk of the car dispells any possibility of SODDI – give it up Scream Team, give it up.

  1699. judypc said, on April 6, 2010 at 9:10 am

    amazed:

    Get a copy of “Defense Never Rest.”

    Or “How Can You Defend Those People”

    And please do not judge all defense lawyers by team Casey.

    Lawyers for the defense have been the ones that have laid the ground work for the laws that protect us all, I know they take a beating from most in the public’s eye, but in reality they have done much to make the courts a place of fairness for all.

    It is sad that they are only noticed in case’s such as this that seem to shine on the ugly side.

  1700. Myrtle Beach said, on April 6, 2010 at 9:23 am

    I do think the strongest voice of reason on that D. Team now is C.M. and in a better world he could navigate the plea waters. However, given that you have a client who is a known pathological liar with NO credibility and one who seems prepared to die defending her lies (possibily while taking her parents down with her), I believe this case is going to a trial the likes of which we’ve never seen and just may be compared to Dante’s Inferno. …just sayin’…

  1701. amazed said, on April 6, 2010 at 9:32 am

    Judy, I do realize that some are in it for the good of the railroaded, usually poor innocent defendants, and I agree that they are true champions for the rights of the people. I was refering to the likes of this team of lawyers. They KNOW KNOW KNOW that she killed her baby, and how they can live with themselves is beyond me.

    Trust me, I would be the first in line to call for a lawyer if I were in a position to need one, but this stuff, Casey ANthony, OJ SImpson, Robert Blake and Michael Jackson show the seemiest side of lawyering, and it truly is disgusting. They are all in it for notoriety, book tours and movies. Don’t even get me started on expert witnesses like Henry Lee!!

    Thanks for the names of those books, I will pick them up, it should be fascinating if they are honest.

  1702. Myrtle Beach said, on April 6, 2010 at 9:39 am

    Quick read as to what to look for if you ever need a criminal defense attorney: http://www.londonancestor.com/attorney/criminal-defense.htm

  1703. hazaka said, on April 6, 2010 at 9:41 am

    Myrtle Beach —– thanks for understanding ……. something deep within agrees …. “we aint’ seen nothing yet”…. again, good or bad…. don’t know…..

  1704. ThoughtElf said, on April 6, 2010 at 9:45 am

    Scotswoman said, on April 6, 2010 at 12:53 am
    Mason looked less cocky…….maybe he’s caught up with the case.

    That’s a keeper.

  1705. Ina said, on April 6, 2010 at 10:52 am

    “the non-profit group doesn’t want all of the volunteers’ personal information made public.”

    Now I do’n understand what the problem is. The volunteers have issues with privacy? The defense just wants to have the evidence, they won’t try to sell them insurances?
    So I am a volunteer, I volunteer in looking for a missing child, but when it get’s to the point my findings are evidence, the organisation I voluntarely work for, says no. Says the prosecution. So why would I bother to help solve a murdercase? Perhaps some one could explain that?

  1706. ThoughtElf said, on April 6, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Good morning, Ina.

    I’d like to address one specific portion of your post above:
    “So I am a volunteer, I volunteer in looking for a missing child, but when it get’s to the point my findings are evidence,…”

    The fact is that the majority of the volunteers’ findings ARE NOT evidence. There is no relevance at all to their forms, maps and search results as they were no where near where Caylee’s little remains were ultimately found. The searchers near Blanchard park, the airport and many other areas have nothing to add in relation to Suburban Drive area.

    Facts:
    1. Neither TES, their attorney Mark NeJame, nor the State have said, “No” at all.
    2. All of the above, plus the Anthony’s attorney Brad Conway, reviewed all 4,000 records and flagged those that may be of value as evidence (or rather as potential interviewees who may have evidence.)
    3. Subsequently, TES voluntarily provided these to Casey Defense team – taking full responsibility for ensuring that Baez received them, since he couldn’t be bothered to obtain them himself per the Judge’s ruling on the original motion.
    4. Since August 2009, all of the 4000 records have been available to the Defense team for review.
    5. The FACT is that it has been the Defense team that has said “NO” we can’t, won’t and wouldn’t review the records.

    In good faith, when laid out clearly and concisely, do you see the distinction, Ina?

    As for why the volunteers have issues with privacy, most rational people do. There is no need for anyone’s personal details to ever be splashed out all over the Internet without just cause. In this case, there is no cause. If any of them were involved in finding the body of a missing person when volunteering then I am sure they’d expect to be interviewed and perhaps have their names released. But, approximately 3,968 volunteers in this case were not involved in finding Caylee’s remains or even near to where she was ultimately found.

    Let’s jump the language barrier and try it this way:
    Ina, can you think of a single, valid, rational reason why the personal information of a volunteer who worked only at the tents one day should have their information released? Say all they did all day was hand out bottles of water. What findings do they have that is ‘evidence’?

    They helped, they did what many of us in distant places would have liked to do, too. They should be commended, not publicly derided or ‘outted’ on a whim.

  1707. Ina said, on April 6, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Hi ThoughtElf, thanks for taking the trouble to make me see it. So the defense did get it? They say the haven’t received all the needed?

    I suppose being a volunteer is something to be very much ashamed of, not proud then.

    I think the fact that nothing was found , is evidence. So every person who found nothing is a witness that there was nothing to be found? Those who handed out water, well they are not needed to do a statement I think. I can see that.

    If they want to, the names of the witnesess could be left out in publications in the media. The fact that the Sunshine Law wants all inb the open, shoulld not mean evidence can’t be obtained by the defense. I think. But if they got everything from Tes then what was the problem…?

    Thanks again. :) for your patience.

  1708. Ina said, on April 6, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Sorry for the typo’s, I am cooking.

  1709. FRG said, on April 6, 2010 at 11:30 am

    ThoughtElf said, on April 6, 2010 at 11:09 am

    I agree! You are absolutely right. Defense was arguing about something they didn’t “review”, JB has no idea how ridiculous that was. What a waste of tax payer’s money and court’s time.
    I have to throw Roy Kronk’s name into this mess. In my opinion the Anthony’s should be thankful to him since he found Caylee’s remains and gave the A’s some type of closure and a proper burial to Caylee. And what RK has gotten in return was his name drug through mud and defense wants him to be a suspect in Caylee’s murder so I understand the way every volunteer must be feeling like. Can you imagine you have to get a lawyer and your name will be on the news for a long time. That’s devastating. Of course this is the way i see it. The Anthony’s don’t want to find Caylee’s murderer because they certainly know who did it, the A’s want to free their daughter. Sad, pretty sad!!!!!

  1710. Morgan said, on April 6, 2010 at 11:47 am

    ThoughtElf said, on April 6, 2010 at 11:09 am

    As one of the 4,000 searchers, Thank you! I volunteered for 4 searches while TES was in Orlando. I know this has been stated many times,but the conditions were hot, humid, buggy, snakey, throw in a lots of garbage, huge spiders and alligators and you get the gist.

    While I did not search on or near Suburban Drive, I don’t want my info out there. Mind you, I have nothing to hide, but I don’t want to deal with the BS this case has brought to everyone involved. I don’t want to half to hire a lawyer to tell them I saw bugs, spiders, alligators and animal bones. Thanks again.

  1711. ThoughtElf said, on April 6, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Morgan said, on April 6, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Perfect timing! I was just going to offer Ina another example and you did it beautifully. And thank you for searching.

    Ina,

    Please read Morgan’s post carefully. What you will read in there is pride for a volunteer job well done. No shame at all. I’m sure you’ve read enough about the case to see posts from many other good souls like Morgan who gave up their time, expenses and energy to search for Caylee. Something that her family never did, which is truly shameful.

    There is no reason at all for these people to have their private information splashed out all over the web. That is offensive and unreasonable.

    I think you need to do a refresher read on the Sunshine Laws. They don’t have to release this because it is not discoverable information. As I am sure you know, the names of the 32 volunteers who have been flagged have indeed been released.

    You’re still confusing yourself with a little circle. ;) TES – and the court, as guided by the legal statutes of the State of Florida have given the Defense ample opportunity to access exactly what they needed.

    My respect for you would grow immeasurably if you acknowledge the error in this statement you posted above:
    “The fact that the Sunshine Law wants all inb the open, shoulld not mean evidence can’t be obtained by the defense. ”

    Especially the end of that sentence. As pointed out several times here, in the various motions and motion responses and even in the court’s rulings, the Defense has CHOSEN not to follow the appropriate legal path to obtain what they need.

    You’re a smart cookie, surely you can jump the language barrier hurdle to step up and state that you understand the fact that the onus was on the Defense and they deliberately failed to act in the best interest of their client and this case?

    Respect is earned. The volunteers have earned mine, the State prosecutors have also. TES and NeJame have had it all along. The Defense and the Anthony family have not. Here’s a golden opportunity to earn a bit extra for yourself. :D

  1712. amazed said, on April 6, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Thoughelf, well said, and Morgan thank goodness for you and people like you.

    Ina, I hope TE and Morgan cleared that up for you.

    The defense KNOWS there is nothing they need in those documents, therefore they did not take the ten minute walk from the courthouse to Mr. Nejames office to look at the papers they claim they want to see. They use diversionary tactics to try to get what they want, in this case, a tainted jury pool. Kind of like what you want. It would seem to me that you should understand them perfectly!!

  1713. judypc said, on April 6, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    INA;
    I admit you have at times been a slight irritation but this time I can honestly say you’re statement has given rise to anger.

    99.9 percent of those that searched did so to allow a child to be put to rest, they did so because the family’s only concern was cashing in.

    NOT once did this child’s family do anything that did not involve a dollar in their hand.
    NOT once did they search, or speak up and tell one iota of truth that could lead police to where to even look.

    The 4 thousand that took to the wood’s, swamps and lakes did so because it pained them to know this child was laying out there somewhere rotting, and being devoured by wild animals.
    People prayed, cried, searched area’s that few would dare enter, they were burned by the sun, cut and scratched by thorns, bitten by bugs, and risk snake bites, alligator’s, wild boar’s, and a vast assortment of other hazard’s.

    For you to say they would have on ounce of shame is discourteous, and down right repulsive.
    I got to know some of the people that searched, and I am here to say I have never been more proud to say I know them, they gave up, vacations, time with their family, their own funds, and they gave of their hearts.

    This will be the last response I will ever give to you, you have at last gotten to the end of the rope and I for one have had enough.
    This is the straw that broke the camels back.

  1714. Morgan said, on April 6, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    ThoughtElf said, on April 6, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Being local and a Mother and Grandmother, Caylee touched my heart as well as the Nations. We had folks that came as far away as Ohio in our group. The one thing the searchers had in common, was the need to assist. Let me also mention, that there were people that lived too far away and couldn’t search, but they called local sub shops and pizza shops and had food delivered to the command center! The Anthony’s couldn’t even bother to show up and hand out donated water.

    I joined the search in November and we were told we couldn’t search Suburban Dr because there was still water in the area. TS Faye may not have been a hurricane but she dumped massive amounts of water and it lingered for many months. Florida has piss poor drainage.

    Ina, please understand that I wanted to search for Caylee, because it was the right thing to do. I didn’t do it to get fame, write a book or go on tv. Also, because her own family would not lift a finger to help find her. All I could think of during those searches, was how I would want someone to help me if this was my Granddaughter.

    I do not know Mr. NeJames, but he is a hero for his efforts in fighting for the rights of the searchers.

    ThoughtElf said “Respect is earned. The volunteers have earned mine, the State prosecutors have also. TES and NeJame have had it all along. The Defense and the Anthony family have not.” This is so very true.

  1715. Morgan said, on April 6, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Amazed and Judypc – thank you, you said it better than I could…

  1716. Ina said, on April 6, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Judypc so what you get angry , I am not here to please you.
    Now I think this is a serious matter: Those volonteers failed to find the remains, not their fault perhaps and if the remains were not there, hey what can you do?

    So their id has to be kept a secret, because of the anger of the public I suppose? And so the evidence is considered irrelevant. I would think it doesn’t matter HOW the defense or any one else gets the evidence, as long as the case is served with the info. All this fighitoing about how evidence should be shared, I doubt that is doing the case a lot of good.

    Now I learn there was a lot of garbage there, is that stuff examinated then? How else to know if it was garbage or a bag with remains?

  1717. Morgan said, on April 6, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Ina – of course we looked at all garbage that we saw. That is common sense. I think what you fail to see is that all but 32 searches were not near or on Suburban Drive, therefore, the information is not relevant.

  1718. Morgan said, on April 6, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Opps – make that only 32 out of 4,000 searchers were on/near Suburban Drive

  1719. ThoughtElf said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    “Now I think this is a serious matter: Those volonteers failed to find the remains, not their fault perhaps and if the remains were not there, hey what can you do?”

    Of course it is not their fault. It is Casey’s fault. To imply otherwise is appalling.

    And of course the remains were not out by the airport, or Blanchard Park, or the volunteer tents. Caylee was under water and muck and mire near Suburban. Where her Mother put her so she wouldn’t be easily found.

    Not even by her parents ‘professional’ PI, who has battled far harder not to be deposed than any volunteer has, as I am sure you well know.

    I respectfully concede defeat. Best opportunities offered and denied.

    Judy? Is there room over there on the couch?

  1720. Ina said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Perhaps only the info about the spot itself, 32 who did actually look there, would be relevant. But why woulod the defense want to have the info? because they think the body was moved from one spot to another and this way they can prove the body was not there as well?

  1721. Morgan said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Ina, the places searched encompassed many miles and many miles away from the Anthony’s home. Also, go back and read the the plant expert’s report. He will state in court that the plant life that grew through little Caylee’s bones had been there for 6 months or more. Using common sense, if her body was moved, how would the plant life be 6 months old?

    The defense has the names of the 32 searchers that were near / on the search at Suburban Dr.

  1722. Ina said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Morgan, such a vast area and 4000 people, Caylee was no where there. Plants grow like crazy there really so I am told. I still think the searchers did a poor job, or the body wasn’t there at the time, and that is what others will think too if they are allowed to use there own brain. Which I seriously doubt.

  1723. BEES KNEES said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    TTM & ThoughtElf, thanks very much for taking the time to explain it to me and I know what you say is true ~ they are hoping for their words to fall upon some potential juror and I get that. But, it would be the same for the State ~ their words too may be heard by a future juror which is why I think it is so important to correct the Defense right away when they are lying. It is more important for the public to hear that there is scientific proof the body could not be moved.

    Silver I really like those hypothetical questions to Casey. If only WE could have a few moments alone with her . . .

  1724. judypc said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    ThoughtElf:

    Come on over and have a seat, have some good southern sweet tea, and a honey baked ham sand.

    glad for the company ;-)

  1725. Morgan said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Well Ina you can think what you want. You were not there. The people I searched with put their heart and soul into the search. I do use my brain and I do not agree with you, I agree with the plant expert. That is his job to know the life cycles of the vegetation. I believe her small body was there the whole time.

    I mostly lurk and read, but in all honestly with your statement “I still think the searchers did a poor job, or the body wasn’t there at the time, and that is what others will think too if they are allowed to use there own brain. Which I seriously doubt.” I see why people get annoyed with you.

    You have yourself a great day.

  1726. amazed said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Well she got us again. Just when I was starting to think I was wrong! LOL!!! back to ignore ignore ignore.

  1727. Ina said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Yes it can be annoying to read things you don’t want to.

  1728. BEES KNEES said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    I wish Strickland would clamp down on the shameful behaviour of that idiot Bozo and the Anthonys. There sat Cindy chomping on her gum while only a couple weeks ago she was told to remove it. She doesn’t give a $%^& about any kind of authority. She’s going to do as she damn well pleases. And did everyone catch Bozo mocking Linda DB? I haven’t heard anyone be so annoying and so immature since I was in Grade School!!!! Somebody really should knock that smirk off his face. It was like the “ignorant” comment by Mason and I’m not sure why Strickland is not dealing with it. In case you missed it yesterday, Listen to Baez being the usual despicable pig at the 5:25 mark of this link:.

    http://www.wftv.com/video/23057236/index.html

  1729. Snowy said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    I think Ina might be concerned that the defense may have an expert witness that has offered to dispute the 6 months and so the need for an ‘eye witness account’ to better that testimony. Yet I can’t help but to think the defense expected to lose this motion again, and may have other plans for corroborating testimony.

  1730. mixologist74 said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    The people who ARE using their brains have read the documents that have been released. If the plant expert said the plants grew through Caylee’s remains for 6 months, then I’m inclined to believe it. After all, an expert is someone who has studied for years. So what if plants grow quickly in Florida? I’m sure the expert that was chosen has studied plant life specifically in Florida, thus his/her findings are accurate. I guess I don’t understand the people who claimed to have read all the docs, yet still think Casey is innocent.

  1731. Ina said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    http://www.myspace.com/442427473 did anyone read this? fyi, I don’t think it went like that, but who knows.

  1732. BEES KNEES said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Judy, great posts. I don’t read the comments that are attached to that orange avatar. That’s the best way for me to deal with it cause there are so many great thoughts and questions not only on this blog but others that I refuse to take the time to read any nonsense.

    Now . . . I just read that the letters are about to be released any minute so, let’s go look for them!

  1733. Nosy Parker said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    “Morgan, such a vast area and 4000 people, Caylee was no where there. Plants grow like crazy there really so I am told. I still think the searchers did a poor job,”

    Good for you for pointing that out Morgan (1:32 pm). Not only that 4,000 TES people (that’s alot of people who volunteered their time and resources as JUDGE Strickland pointed out in his ruling) did NOT search the exact area that Caylee’s scattered bones were found. If “rogue” searchers looked there then the defense team better find them. Hopefully they won’t recant their original unsworn testimony like Joe Jordan did. Laura Buchanan I wonder about. I think she might be in a little hot water if she impersonated a police officer. I guess Cindy and George’s bestest friend Milstead can help her out on that one.

    Ina, either you are deliberately trying to antagonize or you have serious issues with comprehending facts.

  1734. Morgan said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Well I have no problem being wrong about my beliefs when they are proven in a logical manner instead of spouting condescending words.

    Judypc – you may want to get a bigger couch.

  1735. judypc said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    lol Morgan come on over to the couch and have a seat, no use wasting you’re time on someone who does not want to hear anything but their own rude voice.

    No use pointing out that Laura B was a pal of Cindy’s, that she was suppose to be searching over at Blan/park, that “SHE” left without reporting in and there is no way Tim Miller would have known to reflect that in the records.

    And She has NO pic’s of the area she searched to PROVE she was even there.
    No use pointing out that Joe Jordan has redacted his statement that no body was there, no use READING the police statements released I guess, just listen to the words of Jose’ “WHO” could not even produce his STAR witness in court.

    No use pointing out YET AGAIN that the records of the searchers in the area where Caylee was found HAVE BEEN HAND DELIVERED TO JOSE BY NEJAME, and all 4000 were WAITING for him to GET up off his LAZY BUM and go LOOK at them, it was just to much trouble, and gosh NO CAMERAS were there waiting.

    If someone is to DENSE to understand what is clearly written in black and white, and their own BRAIN seems to turn off the facts then OH well.

  1736. Myrtle beach said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    For all of Roy Kronk’s good intentions and his persistence, he wasn’t treated very well by the Defense — just because he found Caylee. He was investigated within a hair’s breadth of anything and everything he ever did or DIDN’T say or do; his life was made a living hell; he had to pay a lawyer much more than he could probably afford just to assist him in protecting his name and what was left of his personal life. He was laid bare to the world.

    Now, the Defense is hoping to do that to any or all of the 32 specific searchers along with any others they can possibly “discover” so that they can HOPEFULLY find someone who may have something in his or her background that would enable the Defense to do the same thing they did to R. Kronk so they can attempt to create reasonable doubt.
    they want to see if they can dig up dirt on any one who was in the vicinity of Caylee’s remains.

    If YOU were one of those people and maybe you had something in your past, the Defense could find it and expose you and make your life miserable all the while they want to acquit a baby killer. Say for instance I was a volunteer and during the 60′s I was arrested for demonstrating against the war. That doesn’t make me a bad person but now that I’m older, I don’t care to have that announced to the public. Well, the D. could make my record (hypothetical, I do not have a record) look very bad and push and pull me like a ragdoll – maybe even call me at trial. There is no conclusionary or factual evidence to lead one to investigate the volunteers as the possible killer. CASEY”S CAR TRUNK tells us that NODDI (no other dude did it).

  1737. Ina said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Noisy Barker, I think the truth is that the remains cpould not be found, as they might be somewhere else. If the remains were under water, the plants would not have grown. The plants would have died? So the body was placed there a little later, and the plants grew when the water was gone. Just my etc.

  1738. farrah104 said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    On WFTV Video Pt 2 the lawyers left the tables to meet with J Strickland. Casey was alone for a long time.

    Casey compulsively groomed herself, piddled with documents–sat in silence.
    All the time in the world to turn her head around & smile at the parental unit–she didn’t.

    The Anthonys repulse me, but Casey needs them right?
    Isn’t that hurtful, even to the cold hearted A’s?

    I watched in disbelief as Casey left the courtroom ignoring them–why?

  1739. Ina said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    :oops: typo’s :)

  1740. Morgan said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    judypc said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Thanks – do you by chance allow alcohol on the couch, I could use one about now.

    Regarding Joe Jordon, I found this on Hinkymeter:
    » Laser said: { Apr 6, 2010 – 12:04:19 }

    so tell me is this how it’s always done?

    http://www.wftv.com/video/23067417/index.html

    according to the reporter talking to biazz she just talked to joe jordan’s lawyer and biazz hasn’t even deposed or given him a depostition yet? SO WHY!! would he want him to testify at a hearing if he hasn’t even talked to the man in depth about what he knows???

  1741. Nosy Parker said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    “Noisy Barker”. Very clever Ina. Have you ever seen pant life in lakes, ponds or …… swamps?

  1742. Myrtle Beach said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Judypc – can I come over? I’ll bring my own chair and some cookies.

  1743. Ina said, on April 6, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    biazz = Baez.

    farrah now honestly, if you haveto sit and wait in front of camera’s after a long time alone in a jailcell, to listen how people are going to decide about your life or death, knowing your child is dead, how are you suppose to behave? She can’t do it right anyway. If she had cried, every one would have doubted her tears to be real. If she had fainted, she would be accused of faking it. This whole treatment of a suspect, in public, I am going to think it is more cruel than serving justice at all.

  1744. Morgan said, on April 6, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Nosy Parker said, on April 6, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    “Noisy Barker”. Very clever Ina. Have you ever seen pant life in lakes, ponds or …… swamps?
    —————————————————————-
    You took the words right out of my mouth Nosy. Common sense is a wonderful thing.

  1745. Nosy Parker said, on April 6, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Pants = plants.

  1746. FRG said, on April 6, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Casey Anthony Jail Letters Released
    Posted: 12:07 pm EDT April 6,2010
    Updated: 3:00 pm EDT April 6,2010
    http://www.wftv.com/news/23067010/detail.html

  1747. Morgan said, on April 6, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0406/23069066.pdf

    Letters are being released.

  1748. Ina said, on April 6, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    noddi = nasty other dude did it?

  1749. Myrtle Beach said, on April 6, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    {Sigh} There’s always one on every blog. Some pseudo-intellectual who needs to play “devil’s advocate” and has total disregard for others even after being bopped over the head for such self-serving inconsiderations. All you can effectively do is scroll past and leave the pustule to fester alone and sooner or later it dries up.

  1750. judypc said, on April 6, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Myrtle Beach:
    Come on over cookies welcome too!!
    Morgan, as long as you mix drinks for us all, Long Island Iced Tea, for me please. ;-)

    Find if funny someone in the Netherlands knows more about plant life in Florida than those of us living here and an expert from here.

    My My maybe Jose’ will add her name to the witness list too!!

    Yes ok I am being SNARKY we all know Jose can not get his witness’es to court silly me….

  1751. judypc said, on April 6, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Hummmmmm….
    Uh ooooo Jose’ looks like it time to back up some statements bubba

    PROSECUTORS WANT HEARING TRANSCRIPT

    Prosecutors want the transcript from a hearing last year when a former member of Casey’s defense team made a specific statement in court.

    “The body or remains of Caylee Anthony were placed there after Casey Anthony was locked up in the Orange County correctional facility. There is substantial evidence and that proves, your honor, her innocence,” attorney Todd Macaluso said in August.

    Macaluso has since left Casey’s team.

    State prosecutors filed the motion Monday to get that transcript from the two-hour hearing, but the motion does not say why they want the information.

  1752. Ina said, on April 6, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    (sigh) I feel for you Myrtle. One that doesn’t agree with the flock. So annoying.
    I am reading the letters, and I think it is against the law to publish letters , Casey still has her civil rights. How does that work legally speaking?

  1753. amazed said, on April 6, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Hi Myrtle,

    Judy can I come, I swear I’ll even sit on the floor!!!

    Can you even imagine, how can anyone find fault with anything the goodhearted people searching for Caylee did?

    Sounds like someone here would be just about as grateful and gracious as Cindy Anthony was to the searchers.

  1754. judypc said, on April 6, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    So, Now will George Have to have test finally to see if he is baby daddy?

    Jose’ said these mean nothing?????

    well…. to me here are some pretty big Bomb Shells….
    In the letters, Casey told inmate Robyn Adams that she had been sexually abused by both her brother, Lee Anthony and her father, George Anthony.

    Adams said Casey told her that Caylee had trouble sleeping and she had to used chloroform to put her to sleep.

    Casey also confided to Adams that there was no “Zenaida.” She believes that may have been written in one of the letters she kept and mailed to someone named Tracey Nealley.

  1755. Morgan said, on April 6, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    Rolling the bar to Judy’s place and reading the letters…pages 8 and 9 she claims Lee and George molested her…

  1756. amazed said, on April 6, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    The expectation of privacy in jail is as follows Ina. NONE. And all of us in the flock are fine with it.

  1757. amazed said, on April 6, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    I wonder if George & Cindy can feel the wheels of the RV rolling right over them. This seems very staged to me. Jose definetly wanted these released to the press.

    Who and how did this person manage to get contraband (pen) in to Casey? Is no one freaking watching her at all?

  1758. Snowy said, on April 6, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Isn’t all this bible thumping almost a prerequisite for a ‘Get Out of Jail Free’ card? Seems a little cliche….. I wonder how the defense pulled this one off….

  1759. Myrtle Beach said, on April 6, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    I am happy to read that we “Fine Ladies Of the ClicK” share similar thinking on so many elements of this topic. In skimming over the first 11 pages, I am impressed with how easily the Accused seems to have adjusted to fantasy life while incarcerated. Sisters? Two Photographers? Road-trippin’ in the RV? Cays?

    OK, she’s trying to try her own case in her school girl notes and getting her much adrenalin rush while breaking the rules. Whether Robyn approached her with the idea of turning informant or not, on first review, it appears that Ms. Casey wants her story OUT. I’ll refrain from saying anymore until I’ve read these through one or twice (unless she really makes me angry), however, to me it appears that there is attempted manipulation on every page. These notes will give us something to “chew” on for a while!!! Such 5th grade stuff (and in Canadian it would be such Grade 5 stuff – lol).

  1760. BEES KNEES said, on April 6, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    You know what? Blink is saying these were staged and I believe she is right. I definately get that feeling too!

    O.T. Do you know that you can rotate the page when you get the ones running the wrong way? If you right click on the page it will give you the option to rotate. Easier to read.

  1761. HeroesFan said, on April 6, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    No more doubt Casey accuses George & Lee of molesting her, pgs 8 & 9. After all the frivolous motions from defense yet they don’t stop release of these letters?

    I’m suspicious, the defense’s throwing Casey’s already hated parents under the proverbial bus. How does it feel Anthonys..to be the ones dragged through the mud?

    Read a few pages, not easy reading sideways..but Casey really hates Cindy.

    Oh, Casey definitely murdered Caylee regardless of lack of confession or newfound God speak.

  1762. BEES KNEES said, on April 6, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Not only do I think that George and Cindy are nothing but the next two speed bumps, I’m almost believing they are doing it willingly. They know they would never be convicted (right?) but they could become great big reasonable doubts. What do you guys think of that?

  1763. HeroesFan said, on April 6, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    It’s possible Bees, but wouldn’t any parent be hurt to the core reading what Casey wrote? But they’re so desperate to free Casey who could have very well killed them, they’d do anything. At this point I don’t know about Blinks theory, I guess I’ll finish reading & decide.

  1764. HeroesFan said, on April 6, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Amazed- they all turn to God don’t they??…After some hideous crime. Bible thumping doesn’t bring the victim back, but might persuade a God fearing jury you’re incapable of murder.

  1765. judypc said, on April 6, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Well, will George & Lee be hauled in for questions at least?

    What ever we think of Casey she has more than once stated these two abused her.
    Should they be released of any wrong doing because she is in jail?

    Could this not answer as to how she became to be the person that would murder her child?

    I am sorry, but I stand behind the thought that on this she is telling the truth.
    I have thought this from day one, and I have always believed George was in fact evil, he was just better at hiding it than Cindy.

  1766. HeroesFan said, on April 6, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Ina’s in rare form today..lol..girl you’re on fire..what’s gotten you all cranked up?

  1767. Nosy Parker said, on April 6, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    I guess we now know how brother Lee of the kiss, kiss, slobber, slobber, CMA, CMA you taught me how to live!!!! at the memorial service for his murdered two year old niece fits into it all. Wow!!! We’d already heard the molestation accusations against both Lee and George before but they were hearsay. This is right from the horse’s mouth. No wonder Lee has been in hiding. Poor Mallory. She’s engaged to a pervert who molested his own sister. Of course you have to believe habitual liar Casey Anthony’s words. I’m curious. Who believe

  1768. HeroesFan said, on April 6, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    Too bad George & Lee can’t be forced to take a polygraph or given a truth serum. The way Casey lies & they all lie…I don’t know who to believe.

  1769. Snowy said, on April 6, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    I would imagine it might be easy for Casey and the Defense to prove abuse (if they intend to use it) esp about Lee by obtaining medical records from the doctor that treated her when she was 18 and helped her with forgiveness (the one she said she told no one about seeing)…

  1770. HeroesFan said, on April 6, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    If this went on under ‘Cindy’s roof’ you better believe she not only knew about it, but probaly did nothing to stop it. She’s a control freak who runs the show, and was well aware of everything that happened in that home, like Casey’s unemployment, no matter how she feigns ignorance.

  1771. Snowy said, on April 6, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    So I guess Casey and Cecelia Benhaida did know each other….clever girls….

  1772. HeroesFan said, on April 6, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Little mention of Caylee so far. If someone has contraband & NOTES passing back & forth against jailhouse regulations why, oh why would she suddenly care about following Baez’s ‘advice’ & not speak of Caylee???

    Bullsh** that’s right I’m cursing– Caylee’s not on Casey’s mind much..PERIOD…except to maybe haunt her in her sleep which would explain ‘the seizures & waking up drenched in sweat. The guilt must come out one way or another.

  1773. HeroesFan said, on April 6, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    What I’ve read to this point– these letters don’t do Casey or her despicable parents any favors. IMO it shows them all in a bad light, manipulative, greedy, cover-ups, hateful liars one & all.

    Disfuntional family is an understatement. Why were they born, to hurt everyone around them, even each other? They should all be in jail.

    Did Baez actually read before dismissing the notes? OK I’ll shut up & finish reading on my walk outside…it’s gonna take awhile.

  1774. HeroesFan said, on April 6, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    Bashing & trashing, he only writes about what he knows.

  1775. BEES KNEES said, on April 6, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    I can’t decide either Heroes. I keep going back and forth on it. It could be that the defense didn’t have anything to do with it but after the letters were discovered they thought it might help their case. I don’t know. I think we might get a clearer idea once we see how this is all going to play out.

  1776. mixologist74 said, on April 6, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    The first thing that popped into my mind when I read the whole “Lee and George sexually abused me” thing was that either the defense had something to do with these letters, either by having her write them (although that’s unlikely), OR by going ahead and letting them be released. Sexual abuse=mitigating factors when it comes to the penalty phase of her trial. She might not walk scott-free, but she may end up with LWOP instead if any jury members believe her claims.

  1777. judypc said, on April 6, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    one thing I have not seen touched on by media or blogger as yet.

    In her notes she confirms that Jose was in fact passing letters to and from her, the parents and Lee.
    Which I believe is a HUGE No-No.

    HeroesFan, you bet Cindy knew about it, IMO Lee was her supposed perfect child, she saw Casey as competition, and true to form made excuses for Lee, he was sleep walking, Casey was a whore, so what did it matter, if you look into cases of incest this shows a classic pattern of a parent failing to protect the victimized child, and if she as well knew George had In fact molested Casey she saw Casey as the one who betrayed her.

    I have said since day one when I did a profile of Casey that I suspect she had been a victim of sexual abuse, she had all the characteristic’s of someone that had been molested very young and over a period of time.

    Very adept liar, fantasies, sexual exploits, bonding issues, to name a few.

    To say this family put the Funk in Dysfunctional is an understatement.

  1778. judypc said, on April 6, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    If it is ok with Craig and anyone would want to see it, I will post a bit of the profile I did in July of 08.

  1779. HeroesFan said, on April 6, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Did anyone else get chills reading pages 8-9? Mom says “so that’s why you’re a whore?” Who are these people?

    It’s not a stretch to imagine Cindy not in denial– but refusal to believe anything that shatters their ‘perfect family’ image.

  1780. BEES KNEES said, on April 6, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    And how about that weird story about dead monkeys!?!!

  1781. BEES KNEES said, on April 6, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    Yes. Chills, chills. The whole thing is so macabre it gives me the heebie-jeebies!!! And I had predicted a few hours ago that the Secret Pagess

  1782. BEES KNEES said, on April 6, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    . . . the Secret NOTES, that is, were likely not interesting or important. Boy was I wrong!

  1783. frankie said, on April 6, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    Heroesfan: I got a chill as well. That entire family is creeeeeepy! casey nailed her dad and brother to the wall for molestation. I wonder how george feels about his little CEO now???

    Those letters are all about casey as usual….just a passing reference to her murdered child. I have only managed a few of them because she is just too ridiculous for words, but where does she mention any anger at all towards whoever she is blaming for the death of her child? Wouldn’t a parent be livid at the person responsible for kidnapping and murdering her only child?

    Ina: Hate to burst your bubble, but some plants do quite well in water for a period of time and then continue to grow even once the water recedes. You might want to google native plants in Florida for further information. Also, in the US prisoners do indeed some of their “rights”. casey had no expectation of privacy since she was knowingly breaking the rules.

    NosyParker: I will apologize for the offender since obviously some bloggers are incapable of intelligent discussion and must resort to childish tactics to get attention. I like to read your comments and find them articulate and interesting. You are by no means a noisy barker IMO.

    We can only hope that Craig will continue his policy of not attacking others when he returns and reads some of the tripe left in his absence. I trust that he will deal with all contributors fairly and equally. I sincerely hope that the owners of this venue see past the agendas of some and allow those of us that are interested in open discussion of this case to continue sharing our thoughts.

  1784. frankie said, on April 6, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    And the age old question of incest rears it’s ugly head yet again. I know in early discussions of casey’s personality, I was slammed pretty heavily for thinking Caylee may have been born of incest, so I will reiterate….if this is a fact, it does not in any way diminish this child. But it sure gives some insight into the dysfunction of this family.

  1785. knight owl said, on April 7, 2010 at 12:14 am

    I don’t buy Casey’s incest tales. I think she is using every fabricated tool she can to manipulate Cindy and George in to thinking it was their fault as to why she killed Caylee. I also believe she is furiously ticked off at Cindy and George for cremating Caylee. Like most murderer’s they want to go visit the remains/gravesight. There is a reason she is doing this to Lee also and my guess is she thinks he has ratted her out in some way. I also believe Casey knew these letters would get out and the incest card she is playing would get her sympathy by juror’s. Something to me is amiss also when Baez doesn’t care for the letter’s being released without any sort of fuss and i would not put it past him at all to put Casey up to it. I mean he has no scruples. They have no case to defend her with and if Baez is dumb enough to dig up ex wives to try and place doubt by using Kronk as his escape goat plan then nothing would shock or surprise me as what he would try next. Just my opinion but i feel there is much more here than meets the eye so i am waiting to see what is next.

  1786. Nosy Parker said, on April 7, 2010 at 12:31 am

    Frankie no worries about the “noisy barker” comment from the intellectually challenged one. It made me chuckle and I’m sitting here pondering on officially changing my name. I kind of like it.

  1787. ThoughtElf said, on April 7, 2010 at 12:40 am

    aaargh!

    I don’t know where to start. I have been away afternoon & evening and am debating whether to begin with reading posts, emails, or just dive on into the letters and transcripts.

    Wait, what? A few kind chums sent emails I could read with highlights throughout the evening, but this one is entirely new.

    BEES KNEES said, on April 6, 2010 at 10:20 pm
    “And how about that weird story about dead monkeys!?!!”

    Is this some twisted KC play on, “No more moneys jumping on the bed”

  1788. Ina said, on April 7, 2010 at 12:52 am

    The letters are a way of letting the world know what Casey’s defense wants the world to know. I think some smart person made her do this, those are not small notes but it is a compklete biography. Ready for publication. No the defense won’t mind them bering published, they are behind this and it is the first smart thing they have done so far. My opinion. No wonder they don’t object and have the citizens right thing out of the pic. Perhaps they save that for later.

  1789. Ina said, on April 7, 2010 at 1:10 am

    Hi heroesfan, I was not cranky if that is the same as cranked up. I just can’t stand the self-righteousness of some commenters in here. I was hoping for interesting answers, against all odds, instead off, well what I got. Whether the plants for instance could grow under the surface, it is not really relevant so I learned, as the water was there not that long, and plants grow fast, they don’t need 6 months, so they could have started growing after the search. For 32 searchers to overlook a bag, with the scull and perhaps other remains still in it, it is not very likely. I would say that is important evidence the remains were not there then. But the supreme court judge will be the judge of that. In the very end. Not any of us.

  1790. ThoughtElf said, on April 7, 2010 at 2:08 am

    Well a bright and cheery Good Morning to you, Ina.

    I was worried for you, as I am sure many others were, too. Reading those letters must have been really tough? Assuming of course, that you bothered to read them, or any of the posts that validated their legal release?

    Guess not, as you’re still months, pages and many release documents behind, trying to muddle through the water level data that is too complex for someone who could never pass voir dire to sit on a US jury to begin with.

    Not that I could either as a Canuck, but the significant difference is that no matter how strident any post most of us makes on these threads, none of us twist, ignore or play with the facts as if they were shaping a Play-Doh defense.

    While some posters might not pass voir dire, many would because they have no agenda other than to obtain the truth and a fair application of justice. I have faith in that. Many posters here have earned respect. They may become emotionally vocal at times, but their logic, careful considerations and FACT-based arguments are sound – and objective. I’d trust and respect most of them to give the US Legal system fair consideration if asked to view this case objectively. In its entirety.

    I worry for you, Ina. I’m not sure why you’d invest so much time, energy and effort into trying to obfuscate here, amongst really shrewd, savvy, sane, informed posters?

    The hold-out ill-informed ‘reasonable doubt’ juror neither reads nor posts here, Ina.

    Some people think ‘timing is everything.’

    Wiser beings understand that knowing your audience is more beneficial.

    You’re barking up the wrong tree here.

    Better yet, compile a “compklete biography. Ready for publication,” as you posted above. Get it ready for the Supreme Court as suggested.

    Ina said, on April 7, 2010 at 12:52 am
    “The letters are a way of letting the world know what Casey’s defense wants the world to know. I think some smart person made her do this, those are not small notes but it is a compklete biography. Ready for publication”

    Just go ahead and work towards a ‘compklete package’ for the Supreme Court Judge, as they are your ideal appeal audience when you fail to illicit that lame-thinking juror here. You’re far, far too savvy and smart to waste your further time agonizing over aggravations like this one you posted earlier, “I was hoping for interesting answers, against all odds, instead off, well what I got.”

    If you don’t find the answers here interesting and informative enough for your higher intellect, one might presume that you’re simply not posting in the right place to illicit the kind of discussion you’re searching for? I’ve heard that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. Perhaps you might be looking over and posting on the wrong fence?

    Rather than bang your head against the wall day-in-and-day-out with us Simpletons, perhaps you just need to refine your thinking, find new pastures to graze and plant the seeds for your favourite discussion points elsewhere?

    We haven’t earned your respect. So be it. We own that failure. :D But you might take a little responsibility and search out a better crowd that won’t disappoint you so much?

    It’s all about choice. You can choose to address a better audience, but you don’t choose to do so, so you might choose to suck it up more gracefully if you choose to carry on communicating with THIS audience here.

  1791. ThoughtElf said, on April 7, 2010 at 3:04 am

    So tired of ‘wheels on the bus,” aren’t y’all? The theme song for the topic du jour might be something a little more melodic?

    I’m partial to this one for the THEME of the day:

    “Please Mr. Postman
    Look & see,
    is there a letter in your bag for me?
    Mr. Po-oh-oh-ost-Man?
    Is there a letter for me,
    the sooner the bettah,
    deliver the lettah.”

    Catchy, yes?

  1792. AllhailTE said, on April 7, 2010 at 3:05 am

    ThoughtElf finally!

    Thank you for TPOTD.

    As tiresome as it is to keep scrolling past the inane twittering, I always try to keep in mind that English is her second language. But sometimes enough is enough.

  1793. OHMYGOD said, on April 7, 2010 at 3:53 am

    ThoughtElf. We Canucks do not own this blog, you must be one who uses a name starts with a W. so righteous one minute, so poetic and a mean snarky uninformed complainer
    So we are all supposed to just love your little rhyme. It’s boring and annoying LMBAO!
    Why don’t you go to a site where your made up little beauties fit in better. There must
    be a kindergarden blog around somewhere.

  1794. RS said, on April 7, 2010 at 5:08 am

    Ina,

    What part of TES organization and it’s volunteers under it’s supervision did NOT SEARCH the area Caylee was found did you fail to comprehend?

    32 searchers missed nothing, except in your imagination, the searchers did not do a poor job as you claimed, except in your imagination. And why, because they did NOT search THE area where Caylee was found.

    And it is NOT important evidence as you claim that “nothing was there” because the 32 under TES did NOT search THE area where Caylee’s remains were found in order for them to be said of, they have found nothing, or even that they did a poor job of searching.

    What part of defense had access to review ALL records of all searchers and had this access for 6 months and failed to even go over and have a look did you fail to comprehend? Or what part of taking note of Judge’s recent ruling and certainly prior ruling on the issue did you skip past?

    And what part of notes passed among inmates are not letters protected by privacy rights did you fail to comprehend? There was no issue for the defense to object to regarding their release on a right to privacy basis.

  1795. Snowy said, on April 7, 2010 at 7:44 am

    Sharing attorneys? Pg 516

    *****
    Casey to Sis (Robyn?): I’m so thankful Jose came through for you and that Mike and Michelle agreed to take your case. They are very good friends of mine and they are working on my case as well…

    *****
    I am curious as to why if Casey and her attorneys are ‘assisting’ Robyn with her case that she would alert investigators about these letters? A little convenient back-scratching? Maybe these letters wanted to be read….

  1796. Scotswoman said, on April 7, 2010 at 7:47 am

    Have read about half of the jailhouse chronicles of Thelma and Louise.

    The religious stuff was truly vomit worthy and the token mention of Caylee creeped me out. It simply re-inforces her guilt imo. Ive heard people talk more tenderely and certainly more frequently about their dearly departed pets.

    And seriously there is something very amiss with OCCF recruitment policy. Sylvia’s a peach.

    Although fascinating to read the musings of a sociopath. I doubt these letters will be used in the State’s case.They have copious of amounts of Miss Anthony’s bullshit/lies already on record and I doubt they would risk calling the two pen pals as credible witnesses, one is a convicted murderer the other a convicted drug trafficker who saved up her cherished contraband and sent in to a friend for safe keeping. Then it gets messy when you introduce Sky Benhaida as a trustee…..ffs

    The tale about the blanket and black trash bag would only be advantageous if Anthony had wirtten it down. So it remains the hearsay of convicted felons. Its the Jill Kerley factor x 10.

    We can assume due to the lack of any credible defence strategy Cheney/Baez will attack LE and TES…… the great conspiracy lol LKB will attempt to discredit the science. But Im betting Zanny the (ungeneric one) is redundant now that Cheney Mason and his ego are on board.

    The State’s case imo is solid enough without opening up Orange County Correctional Facility to utter humiliation/suspicion for administering what passes these days for protective custody.

    The defence on the other hand may well find some use for the abuse claims and finding of that ole time religion if they are fishing for a reduced charge/plea deal.

    Oh well the PC inmates at Lowell Correctional Facility should be happy in the knowledge that they will soon have a new buns cutter amongst them.

  1797. Ina said, on April 7, 2010 at 8:19 am

    You guys are too funny. :) 4000 people tried to find Caylee. 32 searchers searched the area – but, no they didn’t search that area. Or did they. The body was there, but was not found. Well it was, but later. In December. By the same person that saw tthe suspicious bag and called the police. But the searchers did a great job. Kronk is a hero.

    I think the evidence that Casey put her dead daughter there, somewhere in the Summer of 2008, is not very reliable to say the least. There is no evidence of it at all!

  1798. RS said, on April 7, 2010 at 8:25 am

    No, what is funny is you choose to deliberately twist facts..

    Again:

    What part of TES volunteers did NOT search that area did you fail to comprehend?

    What part of the leader of TES calling off searching THAT area due to water did you fail to comprehend?

    and since you recently admitted you have an agenda for being here of writing a thriller, but not before posting here for months

    Tell us how trashing volunteer efforts here in America and twisting facts in any way adds to your agenda of writing a thriller?

  1799. judypc said, on April 7, 2010 at 8:26 am

    RS;
    On several pages Casey points out very clearly that Jose has in fact been pass letters to and from her to her parents and Lee, as well as comp/ contact.

    I have yet to hear any media source touch on this.
    I find it Odd that one very tricky issue for Jose has been left untouched.

    How dare he call the jail out on the carpet for “not doing their job and allowing this to happen”
    When he has been smuggling things in since she was arrested, why aren’t we hearing about him being called out on the mat and having at least some kind of Sanctions leveled against him?

    WHY aren’t the media reporting this, I promise you if it had been the state slipping in contraband you would not be able to shut them up, and Jose would be hanging from the rafters screaming Arrest them!!

  1800. judypc said, on April 7, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Get you’re seats now the couch is filling up fast!!
    :-)

  1801. RS said, on April 7, 2010 at 8:32 am

    judy

    I believe media is digesting the content, and we will likely see reports of exactly that…

  1802. RS said, on April 7, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Amazing that someone who claims to hail from a foreign country, reveals they havbe a an agenda, not that it wasn’t obvious for months they did….

    and attempts to trash the efforts of volunteers, name calls on here…like calling Nosy Parker

    Noisy Barker…

    and gets away with it all, time after time….

    that is why people don’t come here and post anymore. myself included…but the trashing of volunteers using twisted lies to do it, brought me back…

  1803. amazed said, on April 7, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Geeze,
    1. Under water
    2. Told NOT to search that area so as NOT to destroy evidence that they could not SEE.
    3. Search team leader run out of town by the “grieif stricken” long suffering grandparents who DID NOT want the body found so they could contine to claim she was MISSING and get more money.
    4. Search called off.
    5. Local hero keeps calling the police, 9in your batty mind, on himself.) LE’s laziest, stupidest cop responds, walks away.
    6. Local hero has the misfortunate to find the body himself, and be castigated by people like yourself, and accused of committing the crime.

    I seriously don’t get how you can spout off about people who cared enough to try to find this poor childs remains, and think you have any kindness or compassion in your heart. Again, Geeze.

  1804. riff raff said, on April 7, 2010 at 9:44 am

    these letters are not staged.
    they don’t elicit good feelings or empathy for the author.
    in fact, my contempt of Casey has crystalized to hatred reading these letters and i’m only half-way through.
    papa JB, get on the horn and tell the guards to put your sweet pea on suicide watch if you give a ****
    now i understand that face at the hearing. your narcissist is ‘outed’ by her own hand and might just have the courtesy of directing her uncontrollable anger inwards.
    that would show us all..just like she showed Cindy.
    knowing the perp, i’m expecting a botched attempt in a bid for public sympathy; after all her parents both gave that strategy a go.

  1805. sandy said, on April 7, 2010 at 9:45 am

    If you can’t handle other people’s opinions or comments, go back to your own blog where you can ban people that don’t agree with you or delete comments that are beneath your intelligence! You should be banned from this blog for the way you downgrade other bloggers! Get out!!!

  1806. judypc said, on April 7, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Oh I’m sure Mister Dimples is not the least bit worried, he knows they will talk about everything under the sun except his breaking the law, makes me gag that if someone else does it it’s just plain horrid, and they are out to get him and his client.

    But when the Anthony’s or Jose’ does it, well it’s just okie dokie, after all they are all above the law.
    How else can you explain everything they have gotten away with, without so much as a hand smack, how many times have they been caught crossing the line and not a darn thing is EVER said about it?

    I promise any one of us would be UNDER the dang jail had we done one tenth of the crap this bunch of yahoos have done.

    Okay gonna go set on the couch and let my fumes settle.
    GRRRRRRRRR

  1807. judypc said, on April 7, 2010 at 9:59 am

    Riff:

    this is part of the profile I worked up in 08.
    The whole thing is several pages long so I will not attempt to post the whole thing.

    Aug- 2008
    I have been from the start looking at the body language, the expressions used, the contrast of actions verses deeds.

    The thing that first struck me was Casey’s total lack of raw sentiments, her eyes did not reflect any fear, her speech was clear, her nerves fixed she was able to face down the police thinking they would flinch first, consider for a moment how much nerve it took to walk through the gate at Universal, most people would have fallen apart in the car ride, much less taken it all the way into the corridor of the building.

    Casey is at her strongest when being challenged, she has thrived on drama most likely all of her life, I would bet she has played Cindy against George and visa versa since early childhood.

    When she learned Cindy was going to toss her out and keep Caylee she perceived that as the ultimate betrayal.
    In her mind Caylee had crossed the line and she was not going to allow it to happen,, Cindy’s choosing Caylee over her was unforgivable and she was going to punish them both severely for the betrayal, she would see to it Cindy did not get the one thing she wanted, and Caylee would never be the chosen one.

    Casey has been trying to win her mothers favor all of her life, and has always’ failed to measure up, she is conflicted she both Loves & Hates Cindy, she resents her mother for the power over her, and somewhere deep within harbors deep-rooted anger, she feels weak in relation to her mother, yet would do anything to just once feel accepted.

    Casey was okay with playing mommy as long as she received praises and attention for it, Caylee was like a Christmas doll she had received, she would dress her up and play until she grew tired of her, then she would toss her aside.

    I’m telling you Casey is not going to crack under pressure, the only way they would have broken her would have been if they had played the sympathy route, you have been so ill treated, you poor girl, honey let us help you routine.

    Everything must center around her, her needs, her desires.

    She will I expect soon play the sympathy card, start going to church, take the walk to the front and claim she is born again, I also suspect that she will attempt at least one escape, as the pressure builds.

    And possibly one veiled to attempt comment suicide, I would guess by some sort of overdose, enough to cause concern but not enough to in reality harm her, it will be enough though to gain sympathy.

    I will not be surprised to see a statement come out that she was sexually molested by a close family member, that it started when she was very young and continued well into young adulthood.
    When she reacts to her father she is anxious, in her eyes you see doubt and intimidation, she does not trust him, in her vocal tones you hear admonition, edginess, she does not respect him, she maneuvers her way around him.

    Molestation would explain her sexual promiscuousness, and her lack of being able to connect or bond.
    Her living in a fantasy world of a desirable job, a nanny, she was the shinning star in her world, she was in control.
    It would explain her manipulation and lies, she learned early how to cover up ugly truths, her fantasy’s allowed her to push back the unwanted details of her life, the dirty secrets were later her weapons.

    There is no one Casey has a true connection emotionally to, everyone around her is there to serve her, they used her now she will be the user.
    She stopped caring long ago about others, because she felt stripped, those she turned to as a child proved untrustworthy.

    Stop being useful and she will walk away without a second thought and never look back.
    Casey has always believed she deserved more, a better family, a better home, no restrictions.

    A million dollar home would not have been enough ,she would have thought it was a shack she is a bottomless pit, I suspect she was perhaps given special secret gifts, and told she was the princess, the special one, as she grew older and understood the rage began to build.

    This may sound far fetched, but do not be surprised to see Casey end up pregnant again if she is released on bond.

    Statistics show that young women that kill their children often end up pregnant within a short time span, this in an effort to show they are not child haters to the jury, also she may think another baby would gain Cindy’s forgiveness.

  1808. amazed said, on April 7, 2010 at 10:00 am

    Snowy,

    Do you not find it hysterical that she thinks her attorneys are “very good friends ” of hers!! Holy crap batman, does she not realize that they are her ATTORNEYS because she murdered her child??

  1809. Mrytle Beach said, on April 7, 2010 at 10:01 am

    I’ve been to Orlando – you wouldn’t catch me walking in those areas that the very courageous and brave searchers did — the poisonous snakes alone would scare me away. Thank you ato each and every one for your sincere effort.

    RS – glad to see you but I despise the circumstances.

  1810. amazed said, on April 7, 2010 at 10:11 am

    Judypc

    You sure did call it, I had not seen that before, but you sure were proven correct in most of what you said.

    One can only wish that Casey would pull a suicide attempt. At least Melinda Duckett felt shame and remorse, Casey feels nothing but greed.

    I’ll bet Georgie wishes he had really taken those pills in that hotle room now!!

  1811. Scotswoman said, on April 7, 2010 at 10:22 am

    riff raff said, on April 7, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Agreed

    Only Casey Anthony could write about “man meat” and her “brothers and sisters
    of Christ” on the same page. Does anyone else get that deja vu feeling, its like the texts she sent Amy when she was bullshitting her about being roomies at Casa de Anthony. I get the impression that Robyn is the one with the come to Jesus persona and Casey being Casey is playing the religioius card to keep her new friend interested.

  1812. Myrtle Beach said, on April 7, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Sleepwalking theory again. Mom said Lee was sleepwalking while feeling Casey up. Casey said Amy was sleepwalking and lost $400. Does this mean that Casey equates sleepwalking with sex and money (yuk, yuk, yuk). Big yawn. {:-0

  1813. ThoughtElf said, on April 7, 2010 at 11:04 am

    OHMYGOD said, on April 7, 2010 at 3:53 am

    Yes, well about that little made-up kindergarten style beauty of a rhyme? If you were a tad less ignorant overall while being ignorant, then you might have recognized it as the first Motown song to ever reach #1 on the Billboard Top 100 hits circa 1961, then again in 1975 when the Carpenters redid it.

    That little made-up ditty is pretty famous and made a lot of people a lot of money. While you may dislike it, you appear to be in the minority. Per usual.

    I love it when a smack down fails so abysmally.

    I’d suggest discussing the letters, but I have a hunch you know even less about them than you do about pop culture, or any other culture.

    Moving on now…

  1814. Myrtle Beach said, on April 7, 2010 at 11:15 am

    Judypc,

    That is a very good analysis, thanks for posting it.

    As far as Casey’s stupid correspondence goes, all I can think of is how it must make her mother’s hair stand on end and her father want to go after her some more. Their lifetime punishment is having to live with all of this the rest of their lives and if justice is served, Casey will not.

  1815. amazed said, on April 7, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    I am sure George, Cindy & Lee are beside themselves right now, and if they aren’t, then there is something seriously wrong with them. UNLESS, they are so twisted that this is some sort of plan. After all, didn’t Susan Smiths step dad take the big fall for her to save HER sorry rear end? Actually, does anyone know if he had to register as a sex offender? Can you admit to being a sex offender and then NOT have to register? The stigma of that following you around your whole life if your truly are innocent is horrible. (no one would do that to someone purposely would they?)

    I found Casey remarks about Brad COnway to be quite something. I totally think everyone involved in this case that is on Caseys side are of questionable character, but to hear the likes of Casey trashing them and quoting the bible makes me sick.

  1816. BEES KNEES said, on April 7, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Well, I have barely moved since yesterday, dirty dishes and half eaten food. Gross. I still don’t know what to believe ~ keep going back and forth on whether the defense did it or not. Either way it didn’t do her any favours so if it was a scam of Bozo’s I’d have to say it blew up in his face.

    I will totally eat my words from yesterday now, “I don’t think there will be much to those letters” cause nobody seemed very excited about them (Defense, Prosecution). WRONG. They’re saying it’s the biggest hit to the Defense since Caylee’s body was found.

    I once had a stinky troll chase me around the blogs for awhile there a year or so ago so it is with experience that I say the only thing I have ever seen work to rid a blog of a troll is to completely stop acknowledging them. That of course is the only reason they do it ~ for attention. If a couple days go by without any reaction they move along to someplace else that will play their game for awhile. And it’s easier to stop responding if you stop reading their comments first. Luckily the bright orange colour can be spotted a mile away and you can just scroll on by . . . .

    Trolls = Boring & Predictable

    ‘K. Back to reading those pages. Has anybody here read them ALL yet?

  1817. RS said, on April 7, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Speaking of searches, and IMO shady, nasty tactics…….

    Discovery page 12855…and prior and subsequent of Jordan

    Part 1 of his interview is here
    wftv.com/pdf/22918297/detail.html

    hmmm…seems the defense offered star search witness Jordan barely even went into water/wooded area…says

    “I mean like the furthest point we went, which was, I want to say between five and ten feet in”

    They’d have had to go further into wooded areas than 5 or 10 feet to see Caylee’ remains or for a dog to alert.

    And WORSE, FAR WORSE IMO, in prior and subsequent pages and next part as well…….appears in interview of Jordan…Jordan is saying defense and/or Buchanan was trying to get him to fabricate that Buchanan was with him when she wasn’t…..something he would not do.

    Part 2 of his LE interview is here
    wftv.com/pdf/22918267/detail.html

  1818. BEES KNEES said, on April 7, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Judy, I just re-read your profile of Casey above. I think you’ve identified a lot of truths about her. However, I’m not convinced of any incest even though you’ve made a strong case for it. Now . . . if there exists any Doctor/Medical records verifying that she really was molested, then of course. I’m going to rewatch some of the jail tapes and see again how they interact. It’s been a long time since I’ve watched them.

  1819. Morgan said, on April 7, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    Finished them – OMG – my eyes are bleeding.

  1820. BEES KNEES said, on April 7, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Morgan! I am in awe!!!

  1821. judypc said, on April 7, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Bees:
    I finished them last night, oddly one should start at the last page and work upward, you get a better view of her mindset and the way her attitude changes about her parents, in the beginning she was all praise and loved them, could not wait to get back to mommy & daddy.

    About mid-way you see the dark clouds start to form, she is angry with them, feels betrayed, and starts to come at them hard.

    It is then as well, if you start to think about when she stopped acknowledging them in the courtroom, refused to turn and speak to them.
    She felt betrayed by Cindy when she missed coming to court saying she was too ill, but Jose’ informed Casey Cindy had been dodging him, and was well enough to go pen a deal with the media.

    You also, or I noticed her crush on Jose’ becoming more vocal as well, she talks of the nice lunch he treated her to when she was in his office every day, how he was so protective and tender with her, she tells how he spoke of how he would never have treated her so badly and would have cared for her and Caylee unlike the losers she had been involved with.

    She also made a statement that backed up something Jesse has said, when he told why she broke up, she tells her pen pal, “he loved Caylee more than he loved her”

    Amazed:
    I am left to wonder now about the statements Lees Lawyer made so often about Lee needing protection from prosecution, that there were things he had done that could get him arrested, did his immunity deal have a clause in it that he would not be charged as a sex offender?

    Also, in reading these letters I believe I see the reason’s Mark NeJame quit.

    I am also left to now ponder the whole George suicide road show, could he have known Casey would be making these claims?

    RS:
    Also, as I have tried to point out with no avail, if one studies the statements you come across one by Laura B “ I was in a group searching Blan, Park, but since I was friends with George & Cindy I decided to go to over to their neighborhood”
    She did not inform anyone of her split away from the Park search.

    And we have no way of knowing if in fact she ever set foot in that wooded lot near where Caylee was found, she may have been at Cindy’s house sipping ice tea.

    Joe Jordan recanted his statements, saying he did not go that far into the lot, because of water.
    Team Casey also wanted to make a big TA DA, about search dog’s being there but what has not been proffered is what type dog was it in fact?
    Some dogs only hit on present decomp, some can not hit in water, what training did these supposed dogs have?
    For all we know they had little, or perhaps none, he gave no evidence that these dogs were in fact Cadaver dog’s.

  1822. ThoughtElf said, on April 7, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    I’ve only finished PT 1 so far. I only got to start in on them this morning, and keep having to pause to shake my head and review some sections again.

    Still thinking about many aspects, but one thing I mentioned to a chum was that Casey’s piousness seems put on. Just like when she wanted Tracy to wear the watch on her ankle so they could be twinsies. I think Casey has only adopted her love of God as Daddy in an effort to seem more alike to Robyn.

    It was pointed out that Jesse said the same thing, Casey adapted herself to his likes. Watching his favourite football teams and cheering for them. Is she like an emotional chameleon because she recognizes on some level that she isn’t like most people, therefore she strives to create similarities to feel normal/similar?

    I’m not clear on why she called Brad Conway power hungry. I’ve always given Cindy credit for that trait and it has always seemed as if she’s the power monger just leading Brad around on a very short leash.

    And Cindy wanted to trademark murdering MOTY’s name, too? No depth or bounds to her depravity, is there?

    Excellent profile, Judy. After reading it just now, one thing really jumped out at me. In PT 1 towards the beginning when Casey writes about Cindy she goes so far as to spell out B-E-T-R-A-Y-A-L! Just like that. Very sore spot for Casey.

    Any hint of betrayal does seem to turn on that ‘spiteful B*tch’ switch.

    I’m on the fence about the incest. While I do think she may well have been abused, I’m not sure it was by Lee or George. Unfortunately for the many real abuse suffers/survivors out there, there are also some young women who tell tales of abuse to garner sympathy. I’m not sure where Casey falls in the spectrum. I’d be more inclined to believe her if she didn’t have such a wealth of lies on record already.

  1823. judypc said, on April 7, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Someone early this A.M. noted Casey thinking she was “Friends” with her lawyers.

    What also struck me was she only Acknowledges ” Her Boys” she does not speak of
    Linda K Baden, or Andrea Lyon only the Boys, guess they are just so much chopped liver since they don’t have cute dimples.

  1824. RS said, on April 7, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    judy

    apparently she is a “poor” searcher and should be “ashamed” she missed the remains on her “search” if she is friends of george and cindy…LOL

    Wow the deeper you dig into the defense claims and claims of their blog hopping hacks on that area and supposed searchers, the more sinister

    I agree, perhaps she searched the refrigerator at her pal’s place instead…

    Way too shady for my taste she and/or the defense PI tried to get jordan to claim she was with him….and tried to get him to call/go to Baez office…..

  1825. amazed said, on April 7, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    At some points in her letters it seems as if she is trying to flirt with Robyn, I see her trying to develope a relationship to get some of that good stuff she loved so much on the outside. Instead of phone sex..Duct sex. How appropriate for her

    If she feels betrayed by Cindy, what does she think poor Caylee must have felt like her last moments?

    Since Casey is such a proven liar, I am still unsure of who I think may have molested her. I do believe someone did, just not sure who yet. Also, If this happened to her at a very early age, maybe it could have somehow gotten her to come on to her father and her brother. That whole family should be a science project.

  1826. BEES KNEES said, on April 7, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    I think it’s just plain weird that she calls God, “Daddy” . . . . WHAT?

    ThoughtElf, like you I’m not convinced about any incest taking place but possibly abuse from someone else. The reason I entertain any possibility at all is because her personality does resemble someone who has been abused. To me it does anyway although I am far, far, far from being any kind of authority on the subject.

  1827. BEES KNEES said, on April 7, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Amazed! “Duct sex” HA HA HA HA HA!!!

  1828. BEES KNEES said, on April 7, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    Craig, it is getting too slow to blog here again. Can you just add a page for Open Discussion? We don’t have to have a new article from Bill (although that would be GREAT, too). TIA.

  1829. ThoughtElf said, on April 7, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    Interesting that the defense rebuttal to the letters still came from Liz Brown of DePaul. I’ve been wondering all week if she & Andrea were staying in the game since Mason came on board. Apparently she is for the moment.

    “… Casey Anthony maintains her innocence and looks forward to her day in court.”

    Finally, something I agree with Casey on. I look forward to her day in court, too!
    Still betting on a plea in a few months though. Mason will work the cameras for a bit, then go for the plea.

    The whole Laura B & Joe Jordan episode just stinks. I really want to know if she did forge TES documents.

    And I really hope this guard’s suspension gets turned into a termination. Letting them meet together at 3:00 a.m. some nights? Why would anyone risk their entire professional career for Casey? Because she is a ‘celebrity’?

    That so many people have bent over backward in support of this killer and her family is just enough to make your head spin. It is hard to fathom.

  1830. amazed said, on April 7, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    This girl is a hoot, knowing that Cindy wa so particular in who was or was not allowed in her home as Casey’s friends, what does Casey do? Make friends with a murderer and a drug dealer. And not a 10 amongst them to boot.

  1831. RS said, on April 7, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    amazed,

    Well, what’s a girl to do after ratting out the parents and Baez for carrying mail back and forth, esp. after G and C both swore under oath at SAO depo no such thing happened if my memory of their depos serves me right…

    Why make friends with a murderer and drug dealer….

  1832. amazed said, on April 7, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Can we all spell PERJURY…. or do you think they will get another pass on that crime too.

  1833. Nosy Parker said, on April 7, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    These letters were written July(?) 2008 to Feb 2009 (I think). It’s now April 2010. A lot has changed since then. We’ve all seen her visitor records over the last year or so. Some months “her boys” barely visit and when they do it’s short and sweet. Of course she’s had many visits from the Du Paul University crew that have lasted through the night and go on for hours and hours. I think these letters represent her mind set very early in the case. She truly believed there was no tangible evidence against her. It’s all changed since then.

    I’d like to read the statement from Laura Buchanan stating she’s friends with the Anthonys. What a dumb azz if she has fabricated anything. That bus is rolling and veering out of control.

    As far as the firm allegations of definate sexual abuse by her brother and “fuzzy” memories about her dad what do people think? She is a habitual liar. If she was chronically sexually abused over years and years, it would explain her behaviors and personality. If her mom refused to believe her and made excuses for Lee (he was sleep walking) and then called her a whore it fits in with the sick dynamics of an abusive household. Throw in daddy did it too, “I think but it gets a little fuzzy when I think about it” and it’s recipe for disaster. OR is it Casey lying as she always does? I can’t commit to an opinion on this issue.

  1834. RS said, on April 7, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    I’d say the long arm of the law is reaching for a few who knows…there is just too much stuff having gone on…

    I mean, how do you even think to lie under oath at an SAO depo related to a murder case, I don’t even know……related to any case really. that is if my memory serves me right and they denied doing anything like that, which seems they did.

    worse, thanks to a blogger I know who gave me the link, is their own attorney contradicts them…says things were passed back and forth…and worse seems it was said by their attorney before their SAO depos….LOL

    They seem incapable of keeping stories straight and track of what has been said.

    What atty. Brad Conway said about how the Anthonys have communicated since 14 October 2008.

    See story content and see video starting at the 4:48 mark:

    examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m6d22-Video-Anthony-family-attorney-Brad-Conway-on-Today-Show-to-discuss-Caylee-Anthony-autopsy-report

  1835. Nosy Parker said, on April 7, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Question. I was raised in the Christian faith (Protestant) but only sporadically attend church.Occasional attendance, but that’s besides the point. When did it become acceptable to call the Lord Jesus Christ or God “daddy”. Is that mainstream or just jailhouse talk? I was flabbergasted. Maybe I misunderstood or misinterpreted her comments?

  1836. Nosy Parker said, on April 7, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Question. I was raised in the Christian faith (Protestant) but only sporadically attend church.Occasional attendance, but that’s besides the point. When did it become acceptable to call the Lord Jesus Christ or God, “daddy”? Is that mainstream or just jailhouse talk? I was flabbergasted. Maybe I misunderstood or misinterpreted her comments?

  1837. BEES KNEES said, on April 7, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    Nosy, I don’t think so. I think calling God “Daddy” is creepy.

  1838. farrah104 said, on April 7, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Protester to Cindy: ARE CASEY & LEE SLEEPING TOGETHER? IS THAT WHAT YOU’RE HIDING?

    Sept. 2008

  1839. farrah104 said, on April 7, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    Craig if the video is posted twice please delete the 1st one. Didn’t think it went thru 1st time because of the I word, went into moderation. Interesting Kalanis Rivera comes to Cindy’s rescue.Think he’s Skye or is it River’s son?

  1840. farrah104 said, on April 7, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    Almost forgot, in the same video, Lee almost ran over a little girl with his vehicle & police were called. Those whacky Anthonys!!

  1841. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on April 7, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    Confirmations abound why the Anthony’s Blabber Talk Radio closed for what?
    Remodeling…lol

    Did the po-po make an impression!
    Baez et al you know what happens when you practice deception, busted!

  1842. Diana said, on April 7, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    I think Baez should have fought to seal these letters. What an idiot.

    She is very immature for her age. I feel like I’m reading exchanges between two preteen girls who live in fantasyland.

    In one letter she refers to Robyns counsel by saying how good they will treat her and adds….I DEMAND IT!! Who does she think she is?? This girl sure has issues.

  1843. judypc said, on April 7, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    amazed:

    Odds are in their favor, I’m betting they all get yet another pass.

  1844. HeroesFan said, on April 7, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on April 7, 2010 at 8:17 pm Confirmations abound why the Anthony’s Blabber Talk Radio closed for what?
    Remodeling…lol

    ******************
    What’s the Anthony’s Blabber Talk Radio?

  1845. HeroesFan said, on April 7, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    Dinner Sits At The Dinner Table

    WHY I BELIEVE CASEY ANTHONY WAS SEXUALLY ABUSED

    Posted April 7, 2010 by aletheamarinanova

    One of my readers felt that Casey is lying because she said she wore a bra to bed. I find that this part of Casey’s story adds credibility to her allegations, not the opposite. If she was making up the abuse, why on earth would she say she was wearing a bra in bed? Casey Anthony is a lot of things, but she is not stupid. More importantly, maybe most women don’t wear a bra to bed but some women do. Some women might even do so in order to feel more protected from a person who is coming in to their room at night to sexually abuse them.

    A reader posted a comment to me:
    here She writes,

    “Yes. I did that.Always wore a bra ALL DAY and ALL NIGHT. Always wore long sleeve shirts, long p.j. pants over big momma undies AND socks (no matter how hot or cold the weather). I’m amazed now that I didn’t add gloves and a hat. When you are very young, alone in your bed, in the dark …. it’s just an extra level of defense (think a knight in his armor) against the evil that lurks outside your door…. evil that is suppose to love you.”

    Nancy Grace jumped on that bandwagon and called it “shocking” that Casey would leave her daughter with her grandfather if he had molested Casey. Oh really? Shocking that an irresponsible, partying, wanted to be free mother would leave her daughter with a grandfather that might have sexually abused a child? Why would Nancy Grace be shocked? She isn’t shocked that Casey might have murdered her two year-old child. There is nothing shocking about an unprotective mother, who probably murdered her daughter, leaving that very child in the care of a possible child molester.

    Read Complete Article:
    http://ordinaryevil.wordpress.com/

  1846. judypc said, on April 7, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    I am going to post a bit of info in regard to Laura B.

    So, you can all decide for yourselves if Jose’s big BOMB SHELL was nothing more than a heaping dung pile.

    Okay lets start with, she stated on Sept 3rd, 2008… I personally searched near the privacy fence and worked my way towards, and then the spot, where the body was found. I did not notice anything unusual. I did not notice a strange smell. I noticed no buzzards, nor unusual animal or insect activity.

    Now, it has been established that Caylee had been missing since JUNE 16th.
    so, by SEPT 3rd, would a reasonable thinking person expect to have still found an intact body?
    Would you still expect to have an order, see buzzards?

    Now, lets look at her statements some more shall we?

    she told Joe Jordan that “she was Kentucky Law Enforcment and was working with Jose Baez.

    In April she called Joe and tried to convince him they had been searching the wooded lot together, he does not recall searching with her, he then tells her to not contact him again.

    P.I. Mortimer Smith called Joe and said that that Laura Buchanan gave him, Joe’s name.
    This was the phone meeting he taped, and has been sealed.

    Joe said Laura claims to be good friends with Cindy Anthony this is backed up on her Facebook and MySpace pages.

    On her tes form she listed her job as Dept Fish, which I am assuming is dept of fish and wildlife.

  1847. judypc said, on April 7, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    HeroesFan:

    It is not out of the ordinary for a victim of incest to expose their children to their abusers, it happens every minute of every day.

    I can as well see Cindy saying those words to Casey, again it is not uncommon for the parent to blame the victim and protect the abuser, sadly again this takes place every day.

    I know it is very hard for most to understand molestation of a child, and even harder to understand when it happens at the hands of a close family member, but the sad truth is 1in every 3 girls is a victim of such, most before the age of 12, in many cases it continues into early adulthood.

    It happens in all ethnic groups, all social levels, it is well hidden and often goes unreported.

    Victims often have a wide range of mental, emotional, and physical problems as a result.
    Drug & alcohol use, sexual promiscuity, some choose homosexuality as a result, while others may shy away form sex all together, and a large percentage become abusers themselves.

    They often develop a fantasy world and live in a daydream state, they learn very early how to manipulate others, they learn to lie to protect themselves from being outed as most feel it was their fault this happened.

    Ones that did reach out to expose what was taking place, and were not believed ,become very untrusting, no one protects them, no one believes them, they are attacked or shamed as a result, so they see a world where they are perceived as guilty, dirty, unworthy.

    And make no mistake they are angry, they are filled with a deep seated rage at having been devalued, used, and having their youth stained by this abuse.
    They are also at times struck with jealousy, if they see their long time abuser showing another attention.
    In their confusion they see this abuse as love.

  1848. HeroesFan said, on April 8, 2010 at 1:05 am

    Judypc- Casey’s details…creepy Lee sneaking in her room at night with a flashlight sounds realistic. If she was making it up she could have said Lee touched me & left..period.

    I agree with you…Cindy’s reaction is exactly what’d I’d expect from her. Family members in homes of incest often protect the male & blame the victim. Call them a whore, say they imagined it.

    I know Casey’s a liar but sometimes liars tell the truth. Her accusations against both Lee & George sound too believable for me to dismiss.

    It’s no excuse, defense for killing Caylee but could help explain her promiscious, sociopathic behavior.

  1849. HeroesFan said, on April 8, 2010 at 1:40 am

    Judypc- just realized you’re describing Casey to a T. Promiscuous, narcissism, jealousy, feelings of betrayal, psychically ill, feeling dirty, inner rage.

    Casey said when she was young she woke up feeling sore & sick to her stomach. She suspected it was her father coming into her room at night. She only told Cindy 2 years ago, probably ashamed, afraid she’d be blamed & she was right.

    Like I said no excuse for killing your child & I want her to get minimum LWOP & I support the DP. Many survivors of abuse overly protect their children.

    But could help explain what makes this woman…with her unconscionable behavior tick.

  1850. Nosy Parker said, on April 8, 2010 at 1:46 am

    In one of the jail house visits George said hi beautiful or maybe it was hi gorgeous. Casey was all coy saying, “I look awful” blah,blah. During that exchange Cindy immediately leaned closer to George and laid her head on his shoulder and stared at Casey. It stuck out in my mind. I’m not excusing Casey for anything but it gives credence to her accusations which we heard about a long time ago through hearsay from both Jesse and Tony. It’s hard to know if there is any factual basis to Casey’s claims because she is such a liar.

    IF she is telling the truth it might explain why Lee spoke in such detail about Casey’s lies to Tony during the sting operation. He was reinforcing that Casey is a liar while he was supposedly on her side and believed the whole obviously BS imaginanny story. I mean really, which is it?

    Incest is unfortunately very common and none of us knows what goes on behind closed doors. I’m still on the fence regarding this issue.

  1851. RS said, on April 8, 2010 at 6:45 am

    I seriously hope there can be criminal charges brought against the jail guard…minimally fire her…she is a danger to such an institution…

    handing Casey scissors to cut the bangs of another inmate as just one example of too many to count….that guard is a total POS IMO, a danger to the safety of other inmates and jail staff at that…

    page 10
    wftv.com/pdf/23070278/detail.html

  1852. judypc said, on April 8, 2010 at 8:09 am

    HeroesFan:
    Many people want to blame Casey, saying she seduced Lee & George.
    What they do not realize is she was a child at the time, confused, and insecure.

    What ever she may have become as a result lands into the laps of those people in that home,
    The ones that abused her, and the ones that did not protect her.

    It does not excuse what happened to Caylee, but it does spread the guilt around, they may not have helped tear the duct tape on the 16th, but make no mistake they part and party to the murder of this child.

    While I believe whole heartedly Casey murdered Caylee, it is hard to not feel remorse for a young, confused, helpless girl that was trapped in a hell not of her own making, her mind and body being molested, her fears ignored and feeling like she was handed to the men of her house on a silver plate by a mother who refused to listen, and turned the shame around onto her.

    No child should EVER be forced to endure this, and NO child should be ignored when they speak up.

    Think now, Lee now has a child, George a new grandchild, will the cycle continue?

    I do not know if they are innocent, or guilty, only a gut feeling that on this Casey is telling the truth, and if she is there are other lives in the balance, and if she is telling the truth, I dare say she is not their only victim to date, nor will she be the last.

    This claim deserves to be listened to, it deserves to be investigated, and if proven to be the truth the guilty need to be punished, they need to be stopped before yet another child is made a victim.

  1853. RS said, on April 8, 2010 at 8:13 am

    judy

    Lee does not have a child

    and many people have worse childhoods and don’t murder folks…..

    I do see she was in a a horribly dysfunctional family, of that there is no question…

  1854. judypc said, on April 8, 2010 at 8:29 am

    RS:
    Mallory was very preg, in 08.
    Did she not keep the child or loose it?

    And yes many people suffer abuse and do not murder, I never said I accept what Casey did, nor does it excuse her.

    My concern is if she is telling the truth, 2 child abusers are walking around scot free.

  1855. RS said, on April 8, 2010 at 8:32 am

    claims she was PG in 08 were just blog myths…

  1856. judypc said, on April 8, 2010 at 8:49 am

    RS:

    Humm boy she sure looked the part, ok I stand corrected.

    Thanks for the info.

  1857. amazed said, on April 8, 2010 at 9:08 am

    A few years ago, my sister told me that she had been sexually abused by our grandfather when we were little. Both my sister and I used to spend the summers with our grandparents, and my fondest memories were always of that time. At first I chose not to believe her, as she has always had emotional problems her entire adult life. I was going through a divorce at the time, and was taking my daughter for counselling. I began discussing my sisters allegations with her, during one of those sessions I told I I could not believe that it had happened because he never did anything to me. I told her that it was impossible that it happened because even though my sister suddenly stopeed going there to spend the summers, my mother continued to send me. That is when I had my CTJ moment. There was no reason for my sister to stop coming, unless what she said was true. The shocker?? Why was I sent? To this day, I have anger issues over that, unfortunately our mother had passed away before my sister told me this, so I could not ask her how she could send me someplace that she deemed unsafe, and I believe that for the first time in my life I understood what dysfunction was all about.

    So in a nutshell, yes I can see CIndy letting the wolves run free around Casey, it happens. And…sometimes the person your least expect to be a predator is one.

  1858. Myrtle Beach said, on April 8, 2010 at 10:27 am

    As the common leitmotif appears in Casey’s stories, here is the mis-truth about abuse again. I don’t doubt it happened, but I do NOT think the perps. are those she is naming and I do think it happened when she was between 2-5 years old. It happens way more often than we are comfortable acknowledging and I have always thought that Casey shows classic signs of a sexual abuse victim.

    I also believe that Cindy knew about it and held her to secrecy (for years) — far longer than what the note says. Cindy held great power over Casey for years — UNTIL Casey figured out how to leverage these accusations into power over Cindy and turned the tables knowing what buttons to push.

  1859. Snowy said, on April 8, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    This might be interesting….

    I have read an article by Derek Wood who has basically stated that for a diagnosis of sociopathy a patient must be at least 18 years old with a Conduct Disorder evidenced prior to the age of 15, as well as concurring sociopathic symptoms (untruthfulness, reckless disregard, etc..) from age 15.

    ******
    So I am wondering who would this diagnosis benefit the most….

    If the prosecution decides to preuse sociopathic behavior as a part of their murder one strategy wouldn’t they have to present the above noted criteria to allow such an assessment to a jury? Yet hasn’t it been claimed that Casey had no ‘legal priors’ including a lack of behavioral issues at school (much less a conduct disorder)? If the defense wanted to argue the validity of such a diagnosis – could they if the prosecution fails to present this previous diagnosis of a Conduct Disorder? Or would they even want to?

    I can see where the diagnosis could be successful for either/or – for the prosecution it might garner enough contempt to help convict her for murder one, or for the defense enough sympathy (abuse) for a lesser charge.

    It will interesting to see how Casey might be portrayed by either side – as a pathological liar? Or maybe just a ‘professional’ teller of tall tales? JMO

    Derek Wood: http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

  1860. Kalalilly said, on April 8, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    The Prosecution will book NO Excuses – just the facts which show she is a cold blooded killer. Yes, there was a psyche eval. on her, but unless and until there is expert witness testimony, it is unknown to us whether that eval. would be beneficial or inflammatory to the defendant. We won’t know until trial and one side wants to introduce the eval., but right now the Defense says no mental health problems. However, again depending the content of the report(s), the D. may want to use it during the sentencing phase. Personally, I think they want to stay away from those waters – both sides are adamant that she is NOT mentally ill.

  1861. skyangel said, on April 8, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Casey does have behavior in her adult life of that of a sexually abused and neglected child.
    Her permiscuity leads me to believe it. She is always searching for her identity thru others; she is needy of male figure attention, and geez…she even considers baez like her “papa”…but it dont make her insane, nor does it make her incompetent. She knows right from wrong. Lets not forget that.
    She can get couseling, and intense help would be more appropriate to say, but I also think this young lady is quite the con.

  1862. judypc said, on April 8, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    There is a difference between sociopath behavior and mental illness, one is a behavior issue while the other is a break in the ability to think or act.

    Even a mental illness does not warrant an insanity plea being accepted by a court.

    If a person knows right from wrong, is the deal breaker in an insanity plea being admissible in a court of law.

    If a person has the where with all to attempt to cover up their crime it shows a knowledge of right and wrong.

  1863. Madison17 said, on April 8, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Typical of their twisted logic, Anthonys thought they HAD TO back Casey, coverup, FRAME OTHERS to keep molestation under wraps – she spilled anyway.

  1864. Madison17 said, on April 8, 2010 at 5:15 pm

  1865. HeroesFan said, on April 8, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    Jail Letters: Casey Says She Used Chloroform On Caylee

    Updated: 12:18 pm EDT April 7, 2010

    In the letters, Casey told inmate Robyn Adams that she had been sexually abused by both her brother, Lee Anthony, and her father, George Anthony. Casey said that Lee Anthony had sexual intercourse with her until she was 15 and claimed that…

    http://www.wftv.com/news/23067010/detail.html

    ____________________________________________

    With recent scandalous headlines, who thinks the Anthonys are freaking out, right about now?

  1866. frankie said, on April 8, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    I agree that molestation would partially account for caseys behavior as an adult. I hope all had the opportunity to view the creepy silent videotape of Caylee. In one area of the tape, the visible adult legs appeared to be georges. That means someone else was taping…but who? IF casey is telling the truth, or at least a bit of truth, could lee have been behind that camera? Did george and lee conspire to make that video…and if true, for what purpose and what else did they do?

    Those who would disparage the wonderful people that searched for Caylee are ignorant beyond belief. Those remarks do not deserve the dignity of a reply, but I will point out that the statements are totally illogical. I once lost my credit card in my car (Cherry red Mustang pony edition….sweet!) searched that car inside and out and called the bank to cancel the card I was so convinced that it was NOT there. A girl that worked with me asked if I had searched between the seat and the console and I SWORE that I had. Guess where the credit card was? Yep, between the seat and the console. Same thing…those good people DID a thorough job, they just missed the remains . . . primarily because the spot where she was hidden in dense underbrush WAS flooded for months. There is plenty of evidence to prove that. Those who bash the searchers are just desperate…casey is guilty and laughable rantings of idiots will NOT ever change the facts.

  1867. judypc said, on April 8, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    The one statement that Cindy brought chloroform home from her job is easily debunked, if memory serves me correctly Cindy worked at a home health care agency, not a clinic.
    She would not have at her disposal chloroform as it has been taken off the market in the United States, and has been for many years.

    If Casey did in fact tell her pen-pal this it was yet another one of her lies.

  1868. frankie said, on April 8, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    I read an account of Jerry Heidler’s heinous murders in Santa Claus, GA back in the late 90′s. His behavior was more insane than casey’s and his childhood was as dysfunctional as casey’s appears to be. It took a jury about 40 minutes to convict him. They also gave him the death penalty even though he did have character witnesses. One other thing that struck me was that his mother, although certainly aware that he did it, quickly started covering for him as did other family members. He actually confessed and still she said he was not guilty, but was covering for some one.

  1869. judypc said, on April 8, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    I know everyone is prob tired of reading after those letters but, one of my bloggers posted this and you’re gonna want’a read this ;-)

    http://www.wftv.com/pdf/23070163/detail.html

  1870. HeroesFan said, on April 8, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    That’s what frustrates me about media. I know Cindy didn’t bring home chloroform. Casey didn’t say Lee raped her, he molested her. But I keep reading these things from ‘reputable’ news outlets since the letters were released.

    Either bloggers know more details than ABC, NBC, CBS or some media are using “scandalous headlines” & “mistruths” to attract readers.

    It’s hurting the defense, Casey & Anthonys so I hate to complain. But a lot of the info is incorrect.

  1871. frankie said, on April 8, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    Here ya go Ina…You can read for yourself why those searchers you criticized couldn’t find a tiny little girl, hidden in thick brush which was covered by water:

    http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/casey_engineer_12379-12388.pdf

    Sorry Craig…I didn’t see the link in your list.

  1872. ThoughtElf said, on April 8, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    800 of Robyn Adams jail house calls to friends & family have been released. Can’t post the link, because it is from another news site, but if you can’t wait until WFTV posts it, you can search the MFO news site to find them.

    Skye’s and Maya’s are to be released, too.

    I’m heading off to listen to see what she says about Casey.

  1873. judypc said, on April 9, 2010 at 12:24 am

    HeroesFan:

    I suppose they always go for the BIG splash headlines, honestly it infuriates me to see these and then for them to not carry through and give the facts such as, it would be impossible for chloroform to have been brought into the home through a health care worker.

    I still have yet to see one reporter touch on the subject of Jose B slipping contraband in and out of the jail since day one, this is no small boo-boo, it is in fact a crime, he is an officer of the court, duty bound and sworn to uphold the laws of this state.

    He is in fact worse than the guard that exchanged the letters because he is a sworn officer of the court!!
    His action’s are beyond deplorable.
    It simply blows my mind that no-one is in a rage about this.

    Honestly that was the first thing that jumped out at me when reading those letters, I was simply dumbfounded that the SAO has not been in court livid over this, and not one reporter has been screaming this from the top of the news station.

    Frankly, it was really the only bit of real evidence in the whole mess thus far.

    They have yet to produce hard facts of their big splashy headlines yet.

  1874. HeroesFan said, on April 9, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Judypc I’m hoping something happens with Jose’s slipping in letters & contraband as well.

    Would that be the FL Bar Assoc. a complaint’s made to & by whom?

    Maybe after the heightened scandal of incest wears off, we’ll see Baez’s jailhouse activities come front & center.

    Seems Casey’s big mouth has put a stop to future pen pals & smuggling of contraband for a long time..or will it??

  1875. HeroesFan said, on April 9, 2010 at 12:41 am

    ThoughtElf said, on April 8, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    WFTV posts it, you can search the MFO news site to find them.

    —————————

    What’s MFO?..googled it but came up empty, thanx!

  1876. BB said, on April 9, 2010 at 1:16 am

    JudyPC, When you speak of JB slipping Contraband in to Casey, are you speaking of
    marijuana, because I had no idea that the inmates were allow to smoke. This is news
    and puzzling to me. I have missed that news.

  1877. ThoughtElf said, on April 9, 2010 at 1:51 am

    My Fox Orlando (don’t kill me, Craig. I didn’t post the direct link) ;>

    Only two Robyn Adams calls up there so far, but I suspect the media sites will have many more up tomorrow. Including WFTV.

  1878. judypc said, on April 9, 2010 at 8:15 am

    BB:

    Contraband = ANY items taken in under the radar.

    He has been taking letters in to Casey.
    He has been taking letters out from Casey.
    He has been allowing her acess to email.
    He has took in a Caylee wristband.
    He took in photos of Caylee for her to tape on her wall, so it would get reported that she had pic’s all over her cell.
    He took in candy.

    Who knows what else he has slipped in to his little gal, and you know what ever was in those letters have been flushed!!

  1879. judypc said, on April 9, 2010 at 8:18 am

    Lordy please excuse my horrid typos this morning, not enough coffee yet…

    Wish they had an edit your post button..

    “He has TAKEN” or “he took in” not he has took…. EGADS!! ;-)

  1880. Myrtle Beach said, on April 9, 2010 at 8:21 am

    Heroes,
    I would be of the opinion that there is an investigation of J Baez and for now it is probably very low key and he mosre than likely is aware that he is beeing looked at in yet another new light. His accounting is probably being looked at as well as these new declarations by his client that he has violated jail policy. I can’t say for certain how the Florida and Orange County Bar Associations operate, but it would be highly unlikely that those organizations would let the sleeping dog lie (ha, ha, pun intended).

    Behind the curtain, I would guess JB and his client are each pointing a finger at the other screaming “LIAR” all the while he is down playing the notes she sent to inmates as nothing. What else can he do – he has to act “kool” but my nickel say C Mason has verbally kicked his arse and Casey’s, too. What a mess.

    Thing is, we don’t know how much lead time they have had in all this. I doubt it was a bombshell to thed D. I’d really like to know WHEN they were apprised of Casey’s correspondence.

  1881. Snowy said, on April 9, 2010 at 8:46 am

    It is curious that no one seems to be asking questions concerning Atty Baez’s possible indiscretions (contraband). Would he risk the releasing of those letters if he thought he might be implicated? I don’t think so. Atty Hornsby is concentrating efforts on Robyn’s statements so it seems this is the top priority. I imagine the courts may have approved (and sealed?) this type of communication due to media coverage. I guess all we can do is wait and see (and hope?)…. JMO

  1882. Myrtle Beach said, on April 9, 2010 at 8:55 am

    Neener, Judypc, my typos are worse than yours!
    *By bombshell, I mean recent or very recent bombshell. I do not think her “illegal” communications were in any way designed as a ploy by legal counsel, so when the attorneys DID learn what she had been doing, yes it was a pin in their balloon, but how long did they have to prepare to be “non-chalant” was where I was trying to go with that thought. I do think that Casey deliberately made declarations that she wanted repeated in some form. She definitely wants her version(S) of things on display, but even the crookedest lawyer in the world would not condone this method of trying one’s case.

  1883. nom de plume said, on April 9, 2010 at 10:18 am

    That was good reading on River’s transcript. Puts George in an even worse liight. What PT Cruiser?

  1884. judypc said, on April 9, 2010 at 10:27 am

    nom de plume;

    The same PT Cruiser he tried to run the ladies off the raod with, and was caught tearing down the Caylee cross in.

    And yes Rivers transcript did clear up a lot about ol Georgie boy.
    Also shows she had proof of what she told L.E. I wonder when the letters he wrote her will become open to the public eye?

    Myrtle Beach:
    I think he (Jose’) is hoping everyone stays focused on Robyn and not his BIG NO-NO’s.

  1885. judypc said, on April 9, 2010 at 10:41 am

    Mercy I give up, my typo’s are shameful today.

    By golly I got me some edge-a-macation ;-)

  1886. amazed said, on April 9, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Judypc

    As long as you keep commenting, I’ll put up with the little typos! Where can I find Rivers transcripts, I looked and must be blind.

    Am I alone in wondering if Bill is ever going to post again?

  1887. judypc said, on April 9, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Here ya go amazed

    http://www.wftv.com/pdf/23070163/detail.html

    OMG I would love to hear Bills take on Jose the mail man.

  1888. nom de plume said, on April 9, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Thanks Judypc. I am drawing a total blank on the PT. I only remember that black SUV. I believe that the milsteads were there then, was the PT their car?

  1889. judypc said, on April 9, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Nom,

    I believe the black SUV is Cindy’s and the Crusier is George’s.

    I just know that he was driving what looked like a purpleish PT when they were caught on camera tearingdown the cross and when he & Cindy along with the Milsteads chased the women through the streets of Orlando.

    I want to say it was Little Dakoda’s mom and granny… someone please correct me on this if I am wrong.

  1890. judypc said, on April 9, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Nom.

    this is not the best photo but here ya go
    http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/message/1270833619/George+caught+on+camera

  1891. Nom de plume said, on April 9, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Thanks Judy. I remember that event, and I guess I just assumed that belonged to the Milsteads. The only thing I saw George in before that was the SUV and that big honking sign toter.

    PS When I hit “submit” the first time here, I felt just like you did the first time after you know what. (sshhhh)

  1892. BB said, on April 9, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Thanks JudyPC, I should have looked up to, Just jumped in too fast thinking of drugs.
    Anything considered a no no is what JB obviously has participate in doing. Surprised he
    has gotten away with it, but no doubt other inmates get a little from their attorneys also.
    Overall, they probably just let a lot go on by rather than deal with it in sucurity.

  1893. amazed said, on April 9, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    As Judy asked earlier WHEN are they going to make Jose and Casey play by the same rules as everyone else. Unfortunately for the judicial system in Florida, because of the Sunshine Laws, it is common knowledge that the Anthonys have been permitted to lie through their teeth and suffer no consequences, the killer and her attorney have been allowed to make a farce of the rules in the jail, and then it get released to the public. Once that happens, everyone sees what appears to be preferential treatment, and its gets the blood to boiling.

    @Judy, thanks for the link to the transcript by River, but once again, the police clearly tell her that they know that Jose is passing letters to Casey in jail. WTF?

  1894. Shilo said, on April 9, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    http://www.wftv.com/pdf/23070163/detail.html

    I believe this is Rivers transcript. If her real name is Natalie Holloway…she states River in the interview. This is on this site.

  1895. amazed said, on April 9, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Hey welcome back Shilo.

  1896. Shilo said, on April 9, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Ooooppppss typonese is my native language. KRYSTAL is the first name and she is the one that goes by River and talks about a PT Criuiser…GA drove. Sorry

  1897. Shilo said, on April 9, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    BTW I DID read the snarky remarks about the ~~hugs~~ and I feel sorry that so many have lost empathy and kindness along this journey. If you think that a disabled woman …. who lost her husband in this horrible WAR can’t post a hug then I am so sorry for you. This story is horrible and extrememly sad. I happen to feel that we all could use a good hug now and then. JUst not from me!

  1898. amazed said, on April 9, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Shilo,
    As I was not one who ever had an issue with that, I feel that I can say that I hope you don’t take it to heart. Most of it came for one person, she’s just usually miserable all the time anyway. Very caustic. Anyway, good to see you.

  1899. HeroesFan said, on April 9, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Ugliness is rampant on so many blogs so wishing friends a ”hug” is nice. It’s your unique personality & everyone can use a little kindness in blogdom imo.

    I read Robyn Adams 2 phone calls at MFO, she never said much about Casey, but they were talking in code. It rubbed me the wrong way.

    Richard Hornsby was at Websleuths last night & said he would post a link to Robyn’s 800 phone calls there by 11:00 am & challenged the bloggers to some kind of contest to read & decipher the contents.

    I haven’t been to WB’s yet, but will go check it out. He’s nothing if not controversial..lol..says Robyn, Danica, & Skye are all romantically interested in each other…what? Said he’ll elaborate more on it later. What about Casey..she’s was waay into this Robyn chic? Muffin & Cookie, it got kind of creepy….

    Hornsby says Skye (River’s sister) was in jail same time as the others, I learned something new!

  1900. HeroesFan said, on April 9, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Sorry, I think Hornsby will link the ‘audio to listen’ to Robyn’s 800 calls. As did MFO I never read I listened.

    Give the eyes a break after reading Casey’s awful handwriting in the letters. Spells well, surprised me being a HS drop out. OK that’s the only positive thing I’ve ever said about Casey, all I can think of.

  1901. judypc said, on April 9, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    BB:
    I swear it almost seems like jose’ thumbs his nose at all the rules, he expects everyone else to abide by them but not him, he has NO right to degrade the jail staff, for allowing the letter exchange when he has been doing his own version of playing postman since day one.

    He now deserves no respect from the courts, and should be sanctioned.
    But I expect he will slither through the cracks yet again and suffer no penalty, which only enforces his above the law attitude.

  1902. judypc said, on April 9, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    I do not know about everyone else but the media is making a big da-do about was Robyn tricking Casey, so she could get a deal for herself.

    I say, Big Harry Deal, I do not care if she was, Casey still wrote the stinking letters, she was the one who had the brain fart and was too stupid to think, hummmm maybe I should keep my mouth shut.
    Robyn did not force her to say, do, or write anything, no one put a gun to her hair brain and forced her.

    So, if Robyn used the letters to cut a deal, “DUH” do you think for one second Casey would not have done the same darn thing?
    Wouldn’t anyone that was locked up?
    You darn skippy they would.

  1903. Snowy said, on April 9, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    Was this Robyn’s first time in jail? If so I wonder who might have informed her about this trick while in protective custody? Had she many visitors? Maybe one of her phone calls then? Who is\was her defense counsel? And do they offer a bag of tips and tricks to their inmate clients? Better yet, maybe she learned from some mysterious whispering through the vents on how to trick the clever sociopath next door?

  1904. judypc said, on April 9, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    Okay, I got to thinking, yeah I know that’s dangerous, BUT here goes.

    Didn’t the judge give Casey probation on the check fraud?
    Isn’t there a statute about felons and no contact?

    I know this is a reach, but isn’t Robyn a convicted felon too?
    Wouldn’t this be a breach of Casey’s probation?

    Also, is this exchange of letters between her pen pal a breaking of jail rules or is it breaking a law?

    And while this train is rolling, would the whole contraband issue with Postman Jose be against jail rules on her behave, or is it breaking the law?

    Does this not show that she is someone that shows no regard for rules and the law, thus opening her up to yet more charges or revoking the probation and issuing jail time in its place?

    Just some of those late night brain twisters I sometimes have. ;-)

    Snowy:
    I will not swear to this but it seems I heard on one of the news reports that Robyn is the wife of an X-cop, or the V-wife of one, so that may be where she learned of this law.
    I may be wrong but I’m sure I heard that one of the people she was sending letters to had x LE in the mix.

  1905. judypc said, on April 9, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    egads theres those typos again…..

  1906. WooBabie said, on April 10, 2010 at 12:17 am

    ThoughtElf said, on April 7, 2010 at 12:40 am aaargh!

    I don’t know where to start. I have been away afternoon & evening and am debating whether to begin with reading posts, emails, or just dive on into the letters and transcripts.

    Wait, what? A few kind chums sent emails I could read with highlights throughout the evening, but this one is entirely new.

    BEES KNEES said, on April 6, 2010 at 10:20 pm
    “And how about that weird story about dead monkeys!?!!”

    Is this some twisted KC play on, “No more moneys jumping on the bed”

    ================

    A lot of people keep thinking that Casey wrote the Monkey story. She didn’t. I received that as an email forward a long time ago. Kind of like the jokes and funny pictures people forward around to their friends. I’ve kept it all this time.

    I agree with Bee’s about the Open Discussion forum. I get such a bad lag when the comments run this long, I’ll only read and not comment because that’s where it’s really slow for me.And I have high-speed internet and everything, so I don’t get it!

    Have a good night.

  1907. Scotswoman said, on April 10, 2010 at 8:52 am

    judypc said, on April 9, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    Okay, I got to thinking, yeah I know that’s dangerous, BUT here goes.

    Didn’t the judge give Casey probation on the check fraud?
    Isn’t there a statute about felons and no contact?

    I know this is a reach, but isn’t Robyn a convicted felon too?
    Wouldn’t this be a breach of Casey’s probation?

    ——————————————————————————-

    Judy

    These letters were written during 2008/2009. Adams was moved out of OC Jail in April 2009.

    Casey’s felony conviction and subsequent probation was effective from 25th January 2010 only. So she didnt breach any probation order…….. none existed during that period.

    She is ofcourse guilty of breaking the jailhouse regulations and ultimatey showing the world how immature and self absorbed she is. On the other hand I have to believe OCSD and the SAO would be very interested in Casey’s statements that Baez was playing postman.

    But how to prove it and just what was he smuggling ……candy, inoccuous litte notes
    of no substance or indeed information relating to the investigation?.

    And where it gets interesting and indeed relevant imo is the origin of the smackdown Blanchard Park story. Cindy Anthony told this story to Federal agents on 30th July 08 whilst Casey was tucked up in jail. She was coy enough to tell them that
    they would have to get the details from Lee. When the FBI Agent asked her WHEN his conversation took place, Cindy pretended not to understand the question and changed topic. The matter was not pursued apparently. However we have never seen Lee Anthony’s FBI interview.

    Then f/f to State depos where ALL three Anthonys deny that the Blanchard Park story was hatched whilst Casey was in jail or that any letters had passed between them.This single event imo is what could make the difference between Baez
    getting a mere wrap on the knuckles from the Florida Bar or possibly having his law license revoked. Because Cindy is clearly heard on tape telling the new story whilst her daughter sat in jail and George would also mention this story too, though in a much vaguer way. Would he Florida Bar conclude then that communicaion HAD to have been going on and that Baez HAD to have been the conduit. I think Lee Anthonys interview might hold the key.

    I have no doubt the Anthonys and Baez are the subject of a long standing probe by OCSD and the SAO, ranging in obstruction of justice to perjury and possibe fraudulent use of donations. However, proving it to a standard required by a Court of law is a different thing.

  1908. judypc said, on April 10, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Scotswomen:

    See that’s what happens when I am on a mid-night Benadryl induced thought jag.

    I did not even consider last night the time frame of the letters being written, opposed to Casey’s felony conviction.

    I was just so incensed at yet another news cast that had Jose calling Robyn a “convicted felon” that of course could not be trusted, “DUH” what does he think Casey is, does he think they penned a metal on her?

    At least if this law thing does not work out for him he can apply to the post office for a job, he has experience delivering mail added to his resume.

    I am not sure how this whole smuggling letters in and out of the jail relates to him, and any sanctions, since there is no way to prove what the content of the letters were, as I am sure he was not dumb enough to save them, or leave any behind with Casey.
    Unless someone is nailed to the wall and tells just what was taking place.

    I think Lee already has a deal on paper, and that is why he is staying in the clear, keeping his mouth shut.

    I do not think Conway has been able to pen such a deal for his clients as yet.

    I guess I just want SOMETHING done, a smackdown on Jose’ and the A’s has been a long time coming, and it just stings that they have been allowed to run foot loose and fancy free.

  1909. shilo said, on April 10, 2010 at 11:03 am

    I have decided that trying to make any sense of this is like nailing jello to the wall…..a pretty useless endeavor, so with that being said. Have a good life. I “may” post occassionallly, but to do so daily or even weekly is also futile.

    Thank you Amazed. I knew who is who and what was said. Also, given the fact that I could post the most educated “sounding” posts, does not make a great scholar of me. Again, to those who I admire, keep up the great posts.

    And your were right in the assumption NoNic…if you still post here…..my cmputer was still under warantee and thus was waiting for the company to send the correct paper work and shipping material to get it repaired. Sorry to the rest who arre so cynical…I do not have the disposable funds to “just go out and purchase” a new computer. Esp. since this one is already new. And no more hugs except to the few who desperatly need them, like I do.

  1910. Snowy said, on April 10, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Has anyone noted that the Anthony’s active search for a ‘live’ Caylee (assisting the defense, then?) may well allow laptop ‘letters’ to fall within atty-client privilege? And it appears that it is within policy for inmate clients to view online broadcasts as well as media (news) websites?

    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/breaking_news/

  1911. FRG said, on April 10, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Police Search For Missing Girl
    Winter Springs Police Look For 11-Year-Old In Wooded Area
    POSTED: Friday, April 9, 2010
    UPDATED: 12:06 pm EDT April 10, 2010
    http://www.clickorlando.com/news/23108023/detail.html
    Snip:
    “After news of the search aired, George and Cindy Anthony arrived at the scene. The parents of Casey Anthony told Local 6 they wanted to go talk to Bloom’s parents, and then planned to leave.”

  1912. judypc said, on April 10, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    I hope the parents of that little girl spit in their face.

  1913. Scotswoman said, on April 10, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    judypc said
    “I guess I just want SOMETHING done, a smackdown on Jose’ and the A’s has been a long time coming, and
    it just stings that they have been allowed to run foot loose and fancy free”.
    ———————–

    Yes I understand your frustration Judy. I think Baez being admonished by the Florida Bar is more likely than the Anthonys ever facing charges. And thats not due to apathy on behalf of OCSD or the SAO. Its simply the need for definitive evidence that could make charges stick.

    One thing Im confident about, Baez isnt going to come out of his as a new celeb defence lawyer ……he imo will forever be remembered as the guy who had a limited immunity deal ergo negotiating power……………..and he blew it.

  1914. nom de plume said, on April 10, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    ME TOO! Have you ever seen such colossal nerve? Unbelieveable.

    Don’t know what you are talking about Shiloh, but am sorry for whatever upset you. Hugs from me!

  1915. judypc said, on April 10, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    shilo:

    You are a very welcome companion any time, and there is no disgrace in sharing a hug, offering a kind word, or allowing you’re heart to shine.
    You would be a welcome addition to any blog, and I do not do this as a rule but you are very much invited to mine.

    http://www.network54.com/Forum/619996/

    I am sure Craig would rather have one of you than a dozen of the cynical hate mongers.

  1916. Nom de plume said, on April 10, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    My me too comment was I hope the parents spit in the face of the anthonys.

  1917. knight owl said, on April 10, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    okay why am i not surprised George and Cindy are sticking their noses in the missing Nadia Bloom case? Media hungry are they again? Since Casey has just put in lettter’s for the world to read that George molested her as a child does that not register with George at all that maybe now the Bloom family may believe he is a molester and not want him there. Plus the fact the whole world knows they are phonies and never looked for their own grandbaby. OH they are a piece of work. I would love to see the Bloom parents ditch these two on national tv. The beauty of Casey telling the molestation on especially George is it he will be under that microscope he whined about for the rest of his life as it doesn’t matter if Casey lied or not or even should she retract this statement at some point in time, some will always believe it and look at him when they see him out as a child molestor. Serves him right for the lies and cover ups. Casey really screwed all three of them . I LOVE IT.

  1918. nom de plume said, on April 10, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Another “me too” to Knight Owl’s post. Mr. Stupid just can’t figure out how to stay away from the microscope.

  1919. RS said, on April 10, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    I’d be very surprised if Winter Springs PD or Seminole SO allowed the Anthonys near that family or to search…maybe a wave from a distance but unlikely anymore than that if that.

    Just what that family needs, people who never searched for their own loved one who was murdered…no similarity at all.

  1920. FRG said, on April 10, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Caylee’s uncle at memorial: ‘Our family is incomplete’
    Caylee’s uncle breaks down
    Lee Anthony becomes emotional during the Caylee Anthony memorial service.

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/10/caylee.memorial/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

    *********************
    I wonder if Lee has changed his mind about his bf/sister now.

  1921. Madison17 said, on April 10, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    Casey Anthony: Is Robyn Adams a Jailhouse Snitch – 6PM

    *********************************

    Well, the con-artist (Casey) got out conned. Robyn’s a snitch but didn’t get anything earth shattering from Casey. The state doesn’t need her, all she’ll do is give the defense ammunition to go after her credibility, she set Casey up.

    The letters are useful in that they are tearing the family apart with allegations of incest. Also Casey changing the Zanieda story for the 3rd or 4th time.

    The SAO doesn’t need Robyn, they should’nt put her on the witness stand unless they give her a POLYGRAPH, I doubt she’ll pass.

    I have no problem with her snitching, that’s what criminals do. Casey deserves it & it’s satisfying to see someone one-up her game but nothing useful at trial cause this women is not trust worthy,

  1922. Autumn Leaf said, on April 10, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Regarding Hornsby’s interview and the denial of conversations, I’m wondering if Robyn denied “talking” to Casey as she knew the telephone call with her father was being recorded. Letters are one thing, talking with another in protective custody might have more serious repercussions. I don’t feel badly at all about KC being used at all by this woman, just wish the letters etc. can be held against her. I’m also thinking that Biaz didn’t read all these letters and took KC’s word that there was nothing incriminating contained in them. Wouldn’t put Bozo past anything.

    I also agree that he wants out of this case. Nothing much left for him …no money, and only proof positive that he’s a fool.

  1923. judypc said, on April 10, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    Okay, think about this.

    They want to say that Robyn did not physically converse with Casey, BUT not only do some of the last letters reflect they did have face to face contact, we have proof that they in fact did.

    Casey was allowed out of her cell, to cut Robyn’s hair, so I think that shows there was indeed physical face to face contact.

  1924. judypc said, on April 10, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    RS:

    Wonder why Mr. & Ms. did not take that amazing boat with them, there was a water search today.

    Guess George did not have enough bait to bass fish with huh?

  1925. ThoughtElf said, on April 10, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    I cannot believe that the Anthony’s had the gall to go to Nadia Bloom’s parents home last night after she was reported missing. I’m sure that is exactly what those parents needed. A visit by Crazy $$$ grubbing Grandparents who still dishonour their Grandchild to this day.

    To top it off, George & Dennis had the SS Caylee out on Lake Jessup earlier today. I doubt very highly that they were invited by LE to assist with this search. Instead, they are just interjecting themselves. Cindy’s already done at least one interview about how she wants to help.

    Bet they’ll put up a pickle jar somewhere for donations, too.

  1926. judypc said, on April 10, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    ThoughtElf:

    And of course the media took the focus away from the missing child to give Cindy & George air time.

    IF they would not stick a camera & mic in their face these two would slither back into their holes, but no let them fart and every reporter in Orlando will be there to sniff it.

  1927. farrah104 said, on April 10, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    Dr. Lillian Glass- Body Language Blog
    April 10, 2010

    -Casey Anthony’s Hatred and Disgust Towards Her Mother Cindy Reflected in Jailhouse Letters Along With Brother Lee’s Se**** Mo*******
    ______________________________________

    CINDY INAPPROPRIATELY CONTINUES TO PET LEE AS HE SPEAKS DURING THE MEMORIAL SERVICE:

    -Also Cindy’s petting her son so vigorously and repeatedly while he was speaking also speaks to the lack of boundaries in this family. It was completely inappropriate and very disturbing to watch in my view. It once again spoke to her trying to control the situation and her lack of respect for her son wanting to express his own opinions.

    -If you didn’t know this was mother and son it could be construed by many as being se**** in nature as we see Cindy’s constant petting of Lee’s back.

    article here:
    http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/
    _______________________________________

    I found the entire ‘Caylee Memorial Service’ surreal…Casey’s innocent infomercial. Outright sick behavior from the Anthonys.

    Lee’s CMA–kiss-kiss-wrist-CMA-repeat-ughhh!

  1928. ThoughtElf said, on April 10, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    judypc said, on April 10, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Worst part? They’ve now officially spent more time looking for Nadia than they ever spent looking for their own Grandchild.

  1929. farrah104 said, on April 10, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    Missing Girl’s Family Threatened Every Day; Mom Cancels Visits
    Appeals Court Denies Bond Motion

    POSTED: Tuesday, August 12, 2008
    UPDATED: 9:12 am EDT August 12, 2008

    ORLANDO, Fla. — The family of a missing Orlando girl continues to be threatened every day as a search for the child continues.

    “We get threats every day,” missing child’s grandmother Cindy Anthony said. “We get threats on our home phone and we get threats on our cell phone.”

    *********

    That’s from Aug. 2008, the hatred toward the family is even more intense now. Why would they want to show up at a missing child’s vigil which will atke focus off the little girl & on to the Scamthonys?

    I hope Nadia Bloom”s parents, all future families pull a “Ron Cummings” & tell A’s to get their effing as*es away from the family & go back to scamming money the good ol’ fashion way.

    Whatever happened to “The Caylee Fraudation” didn’t rake in blood $$$$ as expected?

    The public caught on & they are now destitute boo hoo. Can’t say bloggers are totally useless as they were the ones to alert the public not to get scammed by the A’s or ‘Kidfinders’ who never found a missing child!

  1930. farrah104 said, on April 10, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    Besides Casey has accused both her brother Mr. Creepy Giggles & father Gigilo George of child molesta****.

    Not the kind of publicity the parents of “REAL MISSING CHILDREN” want. Stay home you never searched for your own murdered grand daughter, too late to change opinions now with half-as* lame attempts to act human!

  1931. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on April 10, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    TE: If you are here, come on over to RH blogsite, will find you! Look under the second most current topic.

  1932. ThoughtElf said, on April 10, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    In a bit – just on a phone call.

  1933. Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on April 10, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    RU going to come over? Open Letters to ALL WebSleuths~ Some very intelligent posts/discussion. Well wait until 11:15 pm est. Scots if you are here come over, no nic too.

  1934. farrah104 said, on April 10, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    I read the comment below on a blog I hate & won’t mention (not md’s). Can’t decide if it’s bull crap, what do you think?

    *************************************
    A friend works with the SAO texted me earlier with some wonderful news. CINDY ANTHONY IS THE FOCUS OF A SEPARATE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION! Who knows what may become of this, but IT IS ON.

    She & her merry band of THUGS are being looked regarding lying to authorities, manufacturing false evidence, falsifying documents, tampering/destroying of evidence, witness tampering, misleading investigators, abuse of LE time/resources and overall obstruction of justice.

  1935. WooBabie said, on April 10, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    Farrah – I think a lot of people have surmised that by now. It’s not exactly “news”.

    And someone who works with the SAO shouldn’t be sharing such information. Are they that dumb to do it via texting? Maybe it’s the janitor in the SAO building…

  1936. farrah104 said, on April 11, 2010 at 12:04 am

    Yeah, unsubstantiated rumors like Lee’s g/f Mallory Parker’s pregnancy, she been carrying for 2 yrs now. What’s she having an elephant? Only thing new is someone claims to have inside info on FBI investigation, who knows, yawn… I’m tired… no more rumors tonight!

  1937. farrah104 said, on April 11, 2010 at 12:16 am

    she’s been – above I said she been..typo..g’nite!

  1938. farrah104 said, on April 11, 2010 at 12:26 am

    WooBabie said, on April 10, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    Why do I always get the feeling you’re being snarky?

  1939. Ina said, on April 11, 2010 at 1:10 am

    http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/04/08/1371/ Padilla and Miller will be on the radio today. For thoise who follow the Anthony case.

  1940. ThoughtElf said, on April 11, 2010 at 1:55 am

    Sorry Anti. Got caught up on a long one. I’ll pop over there now to read.

  1941. judypc said, on April 11, 2010 at 11:49 am

    farrah104:

    Well that is one rumor 99.9 percent of us hope has some meat to it.

    I have to say it is long over due.

    I just learned this week that Mallory did not have a baby, lol big (DUH) across my forehead.
    I was concerned about creepy Lee having a child, but it was cleared up for me here by another poster.

    Any way lets cross our fingers on the Cindy thing.

  1942. WooBabie said, on April 11, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Farrah -

    I wasn’t being snarky. If you’d heard me speak the same thing, you wouldn’t have felt it was.

    You pondered whether the comment you quoted was bullshit or not.

    I said that a lot of people have figured an investigation has been going on – hence the type of questions we have been seeing asked of people in recent interviews, and the Anthony’s low-profile as of late, etc.

    The part where I said something about an SA worker sharing that information (and how dumb it was of them, if true) was certainly nothing towards you.

    Anyhow – I guess if we were all talking to each other in person, a lot more of us would get along right off the bat.

  1943. ThoughtElf said, on April 11, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    I HATE KFN! And the Anthonys. Nothing will ever persuade me to feel differently. Ever.

    http://www.nadiabloom.com

    “Please help US find Nadia Bloom”

    Dennis the Menace registered it TODAY. Less than three days after this beautiful young girl went missing he jumped up and stole her name and included the KFN number at the bottom of this page.

    Registrant:
    Kid Finders Network
    po box 212306
    west palm beach, FL 33421
    US

    Domain name: NADIABLOOM.COM

    Administrative Contact:
    Milstead, Dennis amrsignman@aol.com
    po box 212306
    west palm beach, FL 33421
    US
    +1.5613332779
    Technical Contact:
    Administrator, Domain domreg@fatcow.com
    70 Blanchard Road
    Burlington, MA 01803
    US
    +1.8882789780 Fax: +1.7812726550

    Registration Service Provider:
    FatCow, support@fatcow.com
    888-278-9780

    Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
    Record last updated on 11-Apr-2010.
    Record expires on 11-Apr-2011.
    Record created on 11-Apr-2010.

    Registrar Domain Name Help Center:
    http://tucowsdomains.com

    Domain servers in listed order:
    NS2.FATCOW.COM
    NS1.FATCOW.COM

    Domain status: clientTransferProhibited
    clientUpdateProhibited

  1944. nom de plume said, on April 11, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    I think we should use the email addy to give them some info (what we think of them) and tips (where they can go)

  1945. Shilo said, on April 11, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    ThoughtElf,

    That KFN is beyond obscene. I can not get over how many leeches there are in this world. I agree I would like to tell KFN exactly where to go,….but I think they are already on that path. I had heard that the Anthony’s had set up a Facebook page and were ask to take it down…(I don’t know for a fact). I pray Nadia is found safe and soon. I will check back later for details. I am really about ready to pick up the phone and become very nasty, but won’t out of respect for Nadia’s family. Do you know if her family sanctioned this, or did KFN do this without permission? Thanks for the update.

  1946. Shilo said, on April 11, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Thank you so much Judypc, I had not read all of the above posts. I just wanted to thank you very much. I don’t blog much, but you might just see me on yours in time. I love your sense of humor, knowledge and insight. I seriously do look forward to reading most of the posts here. I know you know what I mean.

  1947. RS said, on April 12, 2010 at 6:03 am

    So without asking, KFN just put up the site….and now knowing the family does not approve, leaves it there anyway….So when will George A. or Milstead see to it’s removal?

    wftv.com/news/23121215/detail.html

    Nadia’s family is saying, thanks, but no thanks to an organization that helped search for Caylee Anthony.

    The Kid Finders Network launched the website NadiaBloom.com. The organization also spent Sunday handing out fliers with Nadia’s picture on them.

    Nadia’s family says they appreciate the help, but they do not approve of the web site and would prefer that it be taken down.

    At last check Monday morning, the website was still active.

  1948. ThoughtElf said, on April 12, 2010 at 6:48 am

    I’m glad WFTV put the Bloom family’s statement about the KFN Nadia Bloom website on record.

    Thanks for the link RS.

  1949. Scotswoman said, on April 12, 2010 at 10:13 am

    The Anthonys foiled again………Im betting Cindy had her camera in tow, desperate for some material for that idol website.

    Anyone know where to find details of this so called charity’s annual finance declaration.

  1950. ThoughtElf said, on April 12, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Nicely done, Nic. Good work this morning.

    Noted the change to the http://www.nadiabloom.com website with the new donation caveat at the bottom.

    All it takes is a well-placed phone call to the right place.

    Scots, I know I’ve seen something about the annual finance declaration. I’ll see if I can find it again when I am back on later tonight.

  1951. Scotswoman said, on April 12, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Thank you Thought Elf

    Im just curious if people are actually donating to a charity where their only claim to fame is the use of Caylee’s name and dishing out some of those bears in Ohio over a year ago.

  1952. ThoughtElf said, on April 12, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    I sure hope not. Getting some press though:

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/state/controversy-ensues-after-group-linked-to-anthonys-offers-555658.html

    (Hope that link was okay to post, Craig.)

  1953. glen said, on April 12, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    we need a new blog and some more questions answered, does any one know whe Bill is going to submit new article?

  1954. ThoughtElf said, on April 13, 2010 at 12:46 am

    Scots,

    Still haven’t found the annual filing, but you can bookmark this record to monitor the Board changes through the years. I’ll keep looking for the financial filing. Know I saw it somewhere.

    http://sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=N&inq_came_from=OFFFWD&inq_doc_number=P98000045605&cor_web_names_seq_number=0001&names_name_ind=P&ret_names_cor_number=178884&ret_cor_web_names_seq_number=&ret_names_name_ind=&ret_names_filing_type=&ret_cor_web_princ_seq=0006&ret_princ_comp_name=MILSTEADMH&ret_princ_type=P

  1955. ThoughtElf said, on April 13, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Nadia found alive!
    http://www.wftv.com/news/23134610/detail.html

  1956. RS said, on April 13, 2010 at 10:15 am

    Gee, imagine that…4 days of searching, dozens of helicopters, hundreds of people…

    ….and no Nadia…

    and then a regular citizen decides to go on his hunch and low and behold Nadia is found…

    Gosh, sounds familiar….

    …..oh yeah, that is similar to Roy Kronk’s effort for Caylee…

  1957. FRG said, on April 13, 2010 at 11:34 am

    RS @ 10:15 am – You see there is good samaritans out there and in my heart I believe Mr. Kronk was doing a good deed and he got punished for that. The same people who should “thank” Mr. Kronk, stabbed him in his back. You know what I am talking about, don’t you?

  1958. judypc said, on April 13, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    PRAISE GOD!! Nadia Alive, there were millions of prayers answered!!!

  1959. Scotswoman said, on April 13, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    ThoughtElf

    Thankyou for the link…….appreciated !

    And wonderful news about Nadia, truly wonderful.

  1960. amazed said, on April 13, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Such good news for the Bloom family. I am sure this good samaritin will be treated with much more respect and gratitude than Mr. Kronk ever was.

    How typically disgusting of the Anthony’s to have the nerve to go to the home of this family and insert themselves into the situation. Two liars who never spent a moment searching for their own “missing” grandchild. Then to boot, George is incriminated by Casey to be a incestuous child molester, and they have the audacity to knock on the door of people who never reached out to them. Ahh the sweet smell of publicity. Good or bad, these two don’t care.

  1961. judypc said, on April 13, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    This just in on my blog.

    They also believe they have found Haleigh’s body, following a tip that came in last night someone lead them to where the body was.

    Nothing confirmed as yet.

  1962. judypc said, on April 13, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    I am double checking with my blogger to find out their source on the Haleigh post.
    Will let you know what I find.

  1963. amazed said, on April 13, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Good news bad news day. I guess we all knew that Haleigh was dead. So strange how much more attention was paid to the Anthonys because of the rabid grandmother.

  1964. judypc said, on April 13, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    I am hearing they ” have found Haleigh’s body” in St. Johns river just 3 miles from her home.

  1965. RS said, on April 13, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    judy

    Sheriff in his very short presser said they had not found Haleigh when asked had they found her…

    he would not say what they were looking for in the river…

    I suspect someone involved in her death or helping hide her body is talking

  1966. judypc said, on April 13, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    RS:

    I am hearing they have found bones, body was weighted down and they do have something that confirms it is Haleigh.

    They got a tip last night that they followed up on today, the person involved “knew”
    where the body was, so someone is talking.

    I know most do not agree with me but on this one I think daddy needs to be the one they grill and grill hard.

  1967. silverbullit said, on April 13, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Judy—

    I agree about the father. I’ve always suspected he was involved in whatever happened.

  1968. Jnetk said, on April 13, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    And I’ve always felt that Ron’s mom knows something and is covering for him, just like Cindy with Casey. Also, doesn’t she work at the police dept or sheriff’s dept?

  1969. farrah104 said, on April 14, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Former FBI Agent Claims To Have Solved Haleigh Case

    Steve Brown, former FBI agent, says investigation into Haleigh Cummings’ disappearance is now a homicide case.

    http://www.news4jax.com/video/15505198/index.html

  1970. BEES KNEES said, on April 14, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Judy, I haven’t been following this Cummings case at all but what do you think? You say you suspect her father. Do you think it was a sex crime or a drug crime?

  1971. Autumn Leaf said, on April 14, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    Just throwing a question out there. Are we losing interest in the CA case? Pretty quiet around the blogs, and wondering if with all the bizarre happenings including the letters, Bozo’s behavior, allegations of incest, JW, among so many other weird twists and turns in this pathetic case, are we disgusted with it all and just sitting back, with a full year to go, and thinking maybe this case has run out of events that will shock us? Seems like Mr. Schaeffer has given up his blog, and other bloggers seem to have moved on to more current matters.

    Just wondering if I’m the only one.

  1972. mchl454 said, on April 14, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    Hi Autumn, quite a few were banned from this site. So, not too many left.

  1973. silverbullit said, on April 14, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    I don’t post often (I can read not but not post from work), but I read everyday and enjoy the posts of others. It seems like when the blog slows down to a crawl, something happens. I heard on another station today that more evidence was released to the defense so maybe we will have more to read.

  1974. silverbullit said, on April 14, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Oh sorry Craig and WFTV, I don’t live in Orlando and we only get one Orlando station up here!

  1975. judypc said, on April 14, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    Autumn Leaf
    I do not believe people have lost interest, it is just at present so much is going on with other events, and there is nothing new to view at present with the Casey case.
    We have chewed on the letters, and honestly they were not that satisfying, very little meat and a whole lot of filler.

    We all held our breath for Nadia and just when it looked so very grim, a miracle happened, then just as we took a breath, the news broke on Haleigh and once again we are sadly reminded that there is a war on the children and it is not being won.

    I am not someone given to be soft of crimes that effect children, I do not think the laws are harsh enough for those that prey on, until we demand that child predators are removed from our society for good the children will continue to be victims.

    Yes the death penalty is the harshest tool in our arsenal, and yes before it is given I want the person proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt, but I have to think if child murders KNOW they will receive death, it will help, if child molesters know they will receive LIFE in prison for a first offense then perhaps our children would find safety once more.

    It seems the courts are soft on crimes that target our weakest and most innocent, they do not vote, they have no money, so they are not protected.
    It is up to those of us that do hold those assets to take a stand and demand stiffer laws, and demand the use of every weapon in the justice system be leveled against anyone that harms a child.

    I will now climb down off my soap box, as I am sure I have angered those that believe in the rehab of criminals.
    I only know that if it were my child, or grandchild I would want the heavy hand of justice to be brought down.
    And some can not be rehabilitated.

    No we have not forgotten Caylee, we are just waiting.

  1976. Autumn Leaf said, on April 15, 2010 at 6:53 am

    Judy, Great post and I agree with most points.

    I didn’t even suggest however that we have forgotten Caylee; I was just wondering if our interest at this point is waning somewhat as the case is dragging on and on and on. I also purposely didn’t mention the other sad cases as they are separate issues altogether.

    I also agree that molesters, predators and the like cannot be rehabilitated. And capital punishment for child murderers should be mandatory.

    I’m trying to figure out how my post got turned around to my defending criminals, and ignorance as to the other cases.

  1977. amazed said, on April 15, 2010 at 7:07 am

    Good Morning everyone,

    Autumn, I didn’t read Judypc as thinging that you felt any certain way about criminals , in particular the ones we are referring to here, but that she was giving her point of view. I did not read your post to mean that you were soft on that area, I think like the rest of us who keep checking in here, you also are wondering what is going on her, will there ever be another posting by Bill Sheaffer, or has someones mission been accomplished .
    Obviously those of us who try to keep this going, respect Mr. Sheaffers input and knowledge in the legal area of this crime. We all hope that he will write something soon, or that we will be told that he won’t. This is still a great place to read or comment as there are some very astute people here.

    To answer another thought you had, I think we are all still just as interested in this case as we were from the beginning, we are getting lessons every day as to how many rights you have, at least in Florida, once you are suspected of having committed a henious crime against a small defenseless child, or once you help cover it up for the murderer. The Anthonys, by their behavior and lies have a legacy now, they have shown young girls everywhere how to become rich and famous. All it costs is one little grandollar.

  1978. Autumn Leaf said, on April 15, 2010 at 7:57 am

    Amazed, I would hate to think that their “mission is accomplished.” I hope this site can regenerate and once again attract posters without interference of wannabes.
    Mr. Schaeffer’s blog was/is based on his legal education and experience, keen insight and courtroom know-how. Totally unlike what I believe is referred to above.

  1979. Myrtle Beach said, on April 15, 2010 at 8:13 am

    G’day and happy tax day (oh groan),

    I just wanted to say “hi” and that I read y’all every day but I have had nothing worthwile to say and I usually learn much more if I just “listen.”

    Caylee is in my heart and will be long after this messy trial is resolved. I don’t know that there is much left that could really shock us about the case. River/Crystal’s interview certainly showed me a much darker side of George – what a fooler (sneaky bast***d). To me that was more of an eye opened that Casey trying to set up her defense in her grade school notes to her new bf (what an a**). I really don’t know how her so-called friends could have tolerated her with the exception that she was always trying to ingratiate herself (so she could rip ‘em off).

    As for poor little Haleigh – well, that kid had no chance in this world either. Guns, drugs, in the “nursurey” – whew. But you’ve got transgenerational bad habits and lifestyle with this bunch. I’m not holding Grandma Neves at fault except for enabling her son, she was probably Haleigh’s only hope and you can tell she is shattered by this loss. Different breed of cat from C.A., that’s for sure. I’ve read that Misty’s dad could well be the source for the narcotic pills she was peddaling. You’ve got poor people dealing drugs and handling more money thant they are accustomed to and they are their own best customers – everything else goes out the window. BUTT – I do hear Misty’s dad encouraging her to reveal what she knows about Haleigh’s disappearance – way different from the context of “chats” between Casey and her folks. So it would appear that Misty finally broke and Casey never will.

    Nadia Bloom is a celebration of Life.

  1980. Mrytle Beach said, on April 15, 2010 at 8:19 am

    *eye opener than

  1981. frankie said, on April 15, 2010 at 9:16 am

    AutumnLeaf: I share your fear that the public will lose interest in the Caylee murder case. I don’t think JudyPC meant anything derogatory about you at all. She is passionate about the murder of children and I believe she recognizes your post as concern that this case will fall out of the public eye and casey will get away with murder.

    I too want this venue to get back on track. I don’t post as often as I did because there isn’t much going on and it is annoying to deal with the defense hacks that post on this board. I feel that it is unfortunate that some are allowed to flagrantly disregard the rules because of feigned ignorance while others are banned. JMHO

  1982. amazed said, on April 15, 2010 at 9:27 am

    Yes Myrtle , even as low life as the Croslin family is, they have more class than any Anthony I have seen. Hard to believe, but Misty’s father IS asking her to tell the truth about Haleigh, and George and Cindy just lie, lie, lie, lie, lie.

    I wonder if Lee still “believes everything my sister says” now that she has labeled him an incestuous sexual pervert!!

  1983. Myrtle Beach said, on April 15, 2010 at 10:07 am

    Frankie, I couldn’t agree with you more – well said (and that’s another reason I’ve been quiet).

    Amazed, It seems that you and I almost always share the same thoughts. It’s good to see you again.

    I believe that Caylee has stirred so much compassion in the hearts of millions and that those millions of us will rally to her side instantly whenever the call comes. We are all here for her. Conversely, her mother and grandparents have stirred so much revulsion that the public outcries will resound with each and every development – many more of which I predict will come down the pike. The worse they are, the more we love that baby! IF ONLY we could have given her that in life. My heart aches.

  1984. amazed said, on April 15, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Agreed Myrtle. Poor Caylee was doomed from the moment she was conceived. There obviously were not even competent grandparents on her horizon. It’s amazing if you think about it, you are required to prove your mental and physical competency to drive a car, but not to have a child! I KNOW that is a streatch, but why are there no laws to spay and neuter creatures like Caylee? God help us if Misty ever gets pregnant.And so the cycle continues.

  1985. amazed said, on April 15, 2010 at 11:10 am

    OMG I certainly was thinking of poor Caylee and typed her name, I feel horrible. I know you all know I meant Casey, but I still feel awful about that!

  1986. Kalalilly said, on April 15, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    I think Lee is the “Tommy Croslin” in all this Anthony mess and that he’s sitting like a silent Budha for reasons known only to him (and LE, I hope).

  1987. nom de plume said, on April 15, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Kalalilly – hope you are right!

  1988. ThoughtElf said, on April 15, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    We need a doc dump.

  1989. judypc said, on April 15, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    Autumn Leaf:

    I am so very sorry if you took my post as anything other than my thoughts and feelings.
    I did not for a moment think you were defending any element of those that harm children.
    It was really just an early defense against those that come on and question the DP.

    I have very deep very strong thoughts about those that harm children, and in no way aimed to offend you.

    I started out as just saying no we are still around, and somehow shifted onto my soap-box.

    Please do not think I was being snarky to you.

    Kind regards
    Judy.

  1990. knight owl said, on April 15, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    I am confused. Reading River cruise statements to LE she said she never had an intimate relationship with George but her sister we saw on tv said she did and she has pictures to prove it. So which sister is telling the truth?

  1991. Shilo said, on April 16, 2010 at 1:51 am

    I have not been banned, nor forgotten Caylee. I simply could not stand the overt hostility here at one point.

    @knight owl~~~ Is there anyone in the Caylee case that can be trusted to tell the truth?? I honestly don’t believe or trust anyone involved in the defense side.

    To many agendas within agendas. I don’t trust either River or Skye and what they have to say. Also, waiting for a doc. dump and possibly more reliable information.

    Caylee dear baby Angel, you have not been forgotten. Your biologically related family may have forgotten about you and your welfare, but many others have not. How dismissive of your so called Mother to say you are in a better place. The best place would have to have been born into a caring, loving, compassionate family. I am sorry that you had to experience such abuse at the hands of those who should have protected you.

    And, this blog WILL survive. As long as pretentious “sounding” posters realize that the rest of us are not studid, useless, no nothings.

  1992. Shilo said, on April 16, 2010 at 2:17 am

    I am sorry that I forgot to post a sincere thank you to those who accepted me, and offered SUPPORT.

    @JudyPC~~ I would love to take part in you blog, but I can not get there. But, thank you for the offer.

    @ Those who don’t know what happened, I was mocked and abusive diatribes for signing my posts with hugs. How dare abusive bullying be allowed on a blog for the protection and care of children, when I can only assume “adults” are teaching their children that it is okay by setting the bar and by example. Am I still annoyed….yes, do they matter to me….NO. But I am an adult, not a child.

  1993. Muesli said, on April 16, 2010 at 5:39 am

    Good morning all. Since the release of the illegal passing of letters between these jail inmates, I have had the following question playing around in my mind. I just posted it on the question page, but I don’t know if anyone is monitoring that page anymore. My question is:

    I don’t know if anyone is monitoring this question room, but I really have a question which I would like to have answered. According to my memory, Casey was placed on a one year’s probation at her fraud hearing, after she was convicted of 6 felony counts of fraud, with no additional jail time, i.e., time served (which I disagree with–she was in jail for suspicion of murder). Now, with the illegal passing of letters with other felons in jail, hasn’t she broken her probation? Remember the bit of snickering at the probation while in jail–what could she do wrong? Can she now be placed in front of the judge and given additional jail time? If she were on the outside, I believe she could have been re-arrested. Am I on the right track here?

    Do any of you have an answer for me, or am I way off base?

  1994. Muesli said, on April 16, 2010 at 5:46 am

    By the way, I posted at 6:39, not 5:39. Someone needs to set the clock to daylight savings time, if possible.

  1995. silverbullit said, on April 16, 2010 at 6:08 am

    Muesli–I think the letters were passed BEFORE Casey was placed on probation. However, there should still be some type of punishment for breaking the rules. Oh wait, rules don’t apply to the Anthonys–how could I forget.

  1996. Muesli said, on April 16, 2010 at 6:12 am

    Good point, silverbullit, I didn’t think of that. I’ll have to go back to check the exact dates. But, since the passing of the letters was illegal, what could the punishment be for that? Or, as you state, as always, the rules don’t seem to apply to the Anthonys. Thanks for your response.

  1997. Autumn Leaf said, on April 16, 2010 at 6:55 am

    Judy, Thank you. Rereading your post a few times it’s plain that no snark was intended. Your posts as always informative and interesting.

    Knight Owl, it’s amazing that not one person or group of persons on the defense side know how to tell the truth and we’re always left to wonder, hmm, did he/she or didn’t he/she.They’re all shady, each and every one of them, and that’s just one more reason the trial is so important as hopefully the liars will be exposed for what they really are. It’s hard to believe there could be that many low-lives involved at one time, in one place, and all related in some way to one precious innocent little baby.

    This case is not only the saddest, it’s the strange but true of the decade.

  1998. judypc said, on April 16, 2010 at 8:27 am

    Muesli:

    I ask that very question a few days ago, the general thought was that the letters were passed before she was placed on that ridiculous probation, so she was in the clear.

    The letters and other extras Jose’ was passing still have not been addressed by LE other than a few questions by OCSO.

    To me, that was the only real meat in those letters, they did prove Jose has been laughing at the rules and doing as he damn well pleases.
    Once again proving their I am above the law, and will do what ever I want attitude.

    I am assuming this was just breaking jail rules and not considered a biggie here in Florida since he has not had so much as a hand slap for it.
    But, he has been allowed to thumb his nose at everything thus far so I am not sure what I expected to happen.

  1999. amazed said, on April 16, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Judypc, I have to say that I have come to the conclusion that nothing that Jose does will EVER be addressed by the courts in Florida. He was not allowed to pass correspondence from his accused client to the outside. Her parents choice to not vist her murdering butt in jail is their decision, they are afraid of tripping up, or having something they say taped. What are they hiding? We all know, they are hiding the cover up, and Jose is aiding and abetting in that cover up. I said it once and I’ll say it again, laws and rules are made to be broken in Fl., or at least in Orlando.

    Seriously, how will they seperate Casey is telling the tuth about Caylee, vs. Casey was sexually abused by George and Lee? Unbelievable,.guess they can pick and choose the lies and the truth, and a jury is suppossed to be dumb enough to swallow it. What disgusting people that whole family is.

  2000. frankie said, on April 16, 2010 at 9:56 am

    I think that jose should be sanctioned for passing those letters! He has stated on several occasions that he is an “officer of the court”, which he should be and that we should trust him to obey the laws. Evidently, being an “officer of the court” has NO standing in the State of Fl because jose just proved he WILL break the law and there will be NO consequences. And we should vote for the tan turtle……why?????

  2001. judypc said, on April 16, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Casey’s Defense Wants Judge To Remove Himself From Case.

    Wonder if Dave is PROUD NOW?
    Anthony’s defense team wants Judge Stan Strickland to remove himself from the case.
    The motion said Strickland had an inappropriate conversation with a man who blogs about the case.

    Knechel said Strickland told him “needless to say, I do go on the Internet and read about this case. I must say that you have the best Web site regarding this case. You investigate and you are very fair to everyone.”

    Later in the conversation Strickland said “No, you are very good as a writer and you stick to the facts. You are very fair and I’m impressed.”

    Anthony’s defense said that conversation is grounds for the Strickland to remove himself from the case.

    They better be careful what they ask for, His Honor has been VERY KIND to them thus far, another might not be so inclined.

  2002. silverbullit said, on April 16, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Somehow I have a hard time believing the latest story regarding Judge Strickland. I’ve never been on MD’s site, but is he so hungry for attention he would perjure himself to get involved in this case?

  2003. Barbeque said, on April 16, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    Shove a stick up his backside, slather him with his own Marinade and put him on the barbie. He is done.

  2004. Myrtle Beach said, on April 16, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Dear Jose and MD: Get real the both of ya’s — it’s all hearsay if you ask me.

    hahahahahahaha!

    What did Casey say in her “diary of days?” Oh yah, “Everybody lies, everybody dies.” This case is getting to be a regular Liars Convention.

  2005. azrenee said, on April 16, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    All hearsay…the only question is who will end up with egg on their face. If Judge Strickland jeopardized his good name and reputation at this late date, by engaging in a relationship with a blogger….BLOG CREATOR,,, not a journalist…he should remove himself and check into a mental health facility. Many predicted this long ago, when poetry implying idolatry of said blogger by Judge S was posted months ago on said website. IMO a journalist does not need to insinuate themselves INTO a case, does not have to pontificate on relationships with players in a case, and NEVER speaks to investigators about said relationships ( or imagined relationships). If all of this hearsay is true…Judge S needs a hobby….he appears busy when seen in court, but he is being accused of pandering to one blog creator in order to garner fame???? C’mon…

  2006. ThoughtElf said, on April 16, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    Epic Fail. This will back-fire whether Judge Strickland recuses himself, or not. On one hand, they may get a much tougher Judge. On the other, you have a seated Judge who didn’t have to recuse, yet they’ve more or less called him out publicly for bad behavior on the word of the likes of Dave.

    They can have a damn field day with MD, too, an unsavory character lacking in honesty who thought absolutely nothing of posting an innocent man’s name under the picture of an RSO on his blog amongst other things.

    I expected this from Jose, but not from Mason.

  2007. nom de plume said, on April 16, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Just unbelieveable! Looks like MD finally jumped the shark. I love Barbecue’s comment!

  2008. Morgan said, on April 16, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    I hope MD was just writing to write n show his ‘importance’. For the life of me I can’t imagine a Judge in a high profile case doing this. He of all people would know that it would come back n bite him in the ass. Sounds like a case of he said / he said. If we are to lose Judge S – then Biaz n crew better be prepared to get a Judge who will demand respect in the courtroom.

  2009. Mrytle Beach said, on April 16, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Whoa! Why wouldn’t J Baez have a bad grudge against the Judge — after all, Judge Strickland filed a grievance against Jose. Sooo, this is the best he can come up with for recusal? Sad, amateurs. If you ask me JB and MD are equally (un)talented. Life has a strange way of catching up with ya, boys.

  2010. Mrytle Beach said, on April 16, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    I expect that the Motion is denied. Order issued declaring MD is fullachit!

  2011. ThoughtElf said, on April 16, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    I expect Judge Strickland to step down. It is a no win situation in this corner.

    If he doesn’t, then all future rulings will be looked at under a microscope. If he does, all past rulings will be closely examined. So much for Mason’s Buddy-Buddy play in court when he first appeared.

    This entire ploy is a move to set up for appeals, as they know they’re going to lose.

    Bring on a hanging Judge. One who with bang that gavel down on every defense absurdity and will deny excessive budget requests for defense costs. They’ve already wasted $275,000 without doing a darn thing towards taking depos.

    This has the potential to be a game-changer. Buckle-up Kids.

  2012. judypc said, on April 16, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    In the same breath they filed a motion wanting His Honor to give them the keys to Florida’s bank account, Mason says there should be “NO LIMITS” on the funds they receive.

    What a swell guy eh?

  2013. judypc said, on April 16, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    OH and I forgot to add, they want this all done behind closed doors, do not want folks to know how they spend the tax payers money.

    Mason also said he thought the agency that handled the funds should be shut down, they are useless and should not have a say in the amount the defense spends, since the state has no limits, the defense should not have any limits, and its nobodies bees wax- how they spend the money.

  2014. ThoughtElf said, on April 16, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Well, first the new Judge, hopefully for one who will not sign a blank check, then we’ll see Cheney also rid this case of Jose.

  2015. Myrtle Beach said, on April 16, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Please don’t be too hasty – we don’t have the facts – just hearsay and not all of it admissable. This isn’t a trial for the Judge. As lay people there is a lot we don’t know.

    I have been reading all around the blogs for the past 2 hours and I am pleased to find that so many other people share my opinion or should I say so many of us share a similar opionion of a particular wide mouth hot air balloon. who knew? Why I even came across the term large-mouth bass – laughed so hard I can’t get to sleep.

  2016. judypc said, on April 16, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    I think Judge Stricland has been very fair, and has followed the law.

    This is just an attempt to cast a shadow on the court.
    Anyone that has watched the case so far would have to say His Honor has given the defense a lot of rope.

    Many times he could have delivered a smack down, but has allowed them to slide.
    Much to our dismay, Judge Strickland has done nothing that could be considered inappropriate.

    Let defense once again make a fool of themselves, whats one more lol.

  2017. goof said, on April 16, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    He said it MD March 18, 2010

    I’m back. I had lunch. We all went out. Jose and gang, Linda Drane Burdick and company. I told them we wouldn’t all fit in Waffle House, but dang! We did. Cheney Mason even picked up the tab – plus, he left a big tip! Judge Strickland was telling funny jokes the whole time. I coughed in my coffee, it was so funny. The only sad part for me was that they all ate dessert, but I couldn’t.

    say-hello-to-laura-and-joe/#comment-116530

  2018. ThoughtElf said, on April 16, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    Myrtle, it isn’t just about MD being fishy. This would be great if it was just that simple.

    Unfortunately, this is also about the appearance of impropriety. That is what will be weighed. I happen to think the the Defense really stepped in it with this motion. Judge Strickland has been regarded as being very fair and patient, as well. Intelligent people won’t buy into for a second, but the Defense now has it out there, planted in the public’s mind. Doesn’t help that the media isn’t digging deeper into this story and reading the cited blog articles versus Dave’s typical National Enquirer style headlines.

    For example, here is another MD article from 2006 that I found googling another 9th Circuit Court Judge, Belvin Perry. It was the third Google hit on the first search page, right there, MD in his finest with this appalling headline:

    Judge Belvin Perry, Jr. – little black boy
    http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2006/03/03/judge-belvin-perry-jr-little-black-boy/

    He claims chuminess with Judge Belvin, too. Where will it end?

    Back to the Judge Strickland motion. Mason doesn’t care about his future in the legal community, as he is retiring. Jose, on the other hand, will be even more unpopular in his professional backyard than ever before. Bad move. Just a bad move all around.

  2019. goof said, on April 16, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    Dave did a big no-no in blogging and in the human race. He is the “VILLAGE IDIOT”, a jerk with no sense of compassion for anyone especially woman.

    For those of you who don’t know, he has taken a photo of a pervert in TN. and posted it on his own blog with baldaintbeautiful’s real name under it. He used a white font so you can’t see it but if you highlight it, it shows. What has now happened it this photo has and will appear for years and years on the net. This is criminal to make this association and Dave should and will be dealt with in our way.

    Dave, his parents and family are all losers, look up their records, they are scammers and take what they can from all, just like Cindy.

    The page I am referring to is here,
    http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/from-the-department-of-perversion/

    Just highlight under the photo and you can see how this village idiot did it.

    This can not be reversed even if stupid Dave removes the photo.

    Dave needs to make a blog with a sincere apology and that still won’t fix it. What a douchebag

    We are very sorry to see what Dave did, the good news, we live near him.

    Comment by namerequired — April 1, 2010 @ 4:51 pm

  2020. judypc said, on April 16, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    If judge Strickland does step down, EVERY motion defense has filed so far could be once again be refiled in front of the new judge.
    “EVERY arsine motion, just think how long that could take?

  2021. judypc said, on April 16, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    The motion reads, “that Casey can not get a fair hearing because the judge has a friendship with Dave”

    Dave said, “ he’s a writer, I go to the hearings and write about it, he is surprised he says, and it is depressing that the defense has done this.
    And he regrets posting on his blog about the Judge.

    Seems he is always sorry after the fact, it would be much different if his site were private, but an open blog MUST be careful with it’s content.

    My site is private and I am still very careful about what I post there, WORDS LAST A LIFETIME!!.

  2022. goof said, on April 16, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    Marinade Dave // March 18, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    I’m back. I had lunch. We all went out. Jose and gang, Linda Drane Burdick and company. I told them we wouldn’t all fit in Waffle House, but dang! We did. Cheney Mason even picked up the tab – plus, he left a big tip! Judge Strickland was telling funny jokes the whole time. I coughed in my coffee, it was so funny. The only sad part for me was that they all ate dessert, but I couldn’t.

    thejbmission // March 19, 2010 at 2:17 am

    Are you serious!! @ Waffle House? lol
    Aww..no dessert. But WOW.. It’s like you’re a celeb Dave. I bet you never knew you’d be doing this 3 years ago. I think it’s awesome and you do an excellent job.
    I don’t know if you noticed but it’s hard being me on blogs. But I think you get that. BTW, JB doesn’t have a thing to do with Jose Baez. lol It’s a personal thing. I realized it after I created my name. Oh well.
    So Judge Stan is a comic huh? He does seem to have that sarcastic edge to him but I bet he’s all about the business in the court room.
    Well, I want you know I’m so envious of you right now. You know, this case will be a part of history and chances are you’ll be part of it. How exciting. Good 4 you.
    Don’t worry about my theory re: Kronk. I just wanted it in print in case I’m right..lol If I’m like really really wrong, will you delete it for me.
    Thanks again for all that you do. See ya in the pit.
    Leave a Comment

    http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/say-hello-to-laura-and-joe/

  2023. Ina said, on April 17, 2010 at 1:56 am

    I feel like I am putting a toe in a shark pond, but I think it was Judge Strickland who did the ‘bad’ thing; a reporter just reports and wants to be a part of it as much as possible of course, so a blogger who wants to be a journalist, will do what he did.

    If the judge thinks MD is fair, he is a real bad judge. I know for a fact he is not fair. So either md lied, or the judge should go. JMHO .

    MD will be happy to see his name mentioned in the news, but is Justice hapopy too?

  2024. Ina said, on April 17, 2010 at 1:57 am

    happy. Hapopy is a happy priest :)

  2025. Roll of Toilet Paper said, on April 17, 2010 at 4:17 am

    MD is arrogant, pompous, demeaning, threatening and resorts to juvenile name-calling when someone is being a thorn in his side.

    He has threatened many people (commenters on his blog) with using their personal information to contact the FBI, Homeland Security, the person’s local authorities and even threatened to use someone’s information to contact their husband and report their “mis-doings” to him!

    Although Baez is lame and so are his motions (this one unfounded, unless I’m blind) but I’m sure it doesn’t help the matter with Dave’s gloatings about his “connection/encounter(s)” with JS. Oviously. That was unfair of him, to do!!!!!!

  2026. Ina said, on April 17, 2010 at 4:39 am

    Will all the hearings have to be done over if the Judge decides he will stop with this case?

  2027. Doubtful said, on April 17, 2010 at 4:52 am

    Point taken and not disputed. However, any posts riddled with angst and lacking in substantiated facts are purely emotionally driven. (Not that I disagree, but is isn’t a sound strategy, and just plays into the elliptical BS.)

    Now, let’s discuss facts:

    Unfortunately, JS doesn’t have much choice now other than to step down.

    Having said that, it will bother me for years wondering just how much differently the outcome of this trial would appear in hindsight if the Defense hadn’t argued against a gag-order.

    And for the record, calling Dave a ‘reporter’ is just as egocentric and absurd as posters/commenters who call themselves ‘bloggers’. Dave isn’t a journalist, media personality, or part of any accredited media.

    I’ll concede that Dave is indeed a blogger, as he authors frequent opinion articles on his blog in hopes of initiating follow-up conversation, traffic and back-linking, so he’s earned that. But he is not a journalist anymore than commenters on his or any other blog/media/news sites are ‘bloggers’.

    If you don’t have your own blog – you’re not a ‘blogger’. If you don’t post your own opinion articles on your own blog – you’re not a blogger.

    If you comment/post on blogs, media sites and forums, then you are a valuable contributing poster/commenter who should continue to speak up and voice your thoughts, but… you aren’t a blogger any more than Dave is a ‘journalist’ or Casey is a teller of the truth.

    Bill is a blogger, and thank goodness only as hobby, as he serves the populace better first and foremost as a lawyer and legal analyst. Likewise Hornsby, although they have different standards and agendas, both are opinion bloggers. Likewise you can educate yourself about Caylee’s case on blogs that are scientific and fact-based, right on through to National Enquirer style blogs.

    Regardless, each owner/authour gets to wear the mantle of ‘blogger’ and all that comes with that, just like we’re seeing with MD right now, whilst the rest of us are simply responders with a lot of opinions, but nothing concrete on the line. MD might just have injected himself farther into this case than he’d planned to. Likewise Joe Jordan.

    Would you want to go down in history as the controversial, reasonable-doubt point in any otherwise obvious case?

    (Pause here and picture big-eyed, tiny, Baby Caylee. Not yourself or your 15 minutes of fame at the expense of that Baby who lacked any ‘Defense’ when she was murdered.)

    Sorry for the long rant, but there really is a point here:

    New laws are coming into effect in regards to ‘posters’ who write slanderous comments. In the interim, we’re seeing first hand that genuine bloggers, (blog article authors), do have the ability to effect Real World issues, like crime cases.

    My take-away from all of this is that bloggers who truly have a genuine stance should work harder to behave like impartial journalists. Report the facts without the fluff if they care to be taken seriously and avoid being called out like Stephen Glass. Or at very least, preface articles with caveats after deliberately-written NG/National Enquirer style BOMBSHELL headlines like “Casey should die.”

    There is nothing Ernie Pyle, Margaret Bourke or Seymour Hersh would approve of here. Nope, nada.

    For all anyone knows, the media and journalists are right about MD’s version. But, I doubt it. Strickland seems pretty shrewd to me and I doubt he wanted to meet Dave without MD communicating with him first.

    Let’s put it another way:

    If you were a sitting Judge on a high-profile DP case and you received Joy Wray’s emails, then you saw her sitting in your courtroom, wouldn’t you want to meet her yourself to assess the level of crazy? JS did a minor screw-up. He was wrong.

    And now the Defense has bought untold months of delay and weighty public-opinion.

    I certainly won’t reduce myself to dissing Dave right now, but, I certainly won’t thank him now either. Nor will I offer the slightest nod now or in the future to qualify him as a ‘journalist.’

    May Waler Winchell rest in peace. ;>

  2028. Ina said, on April 17, 2010 at 6:25 am

    He said this to my husband’s profile on Growing Bolder

    A pleasure to meet you, Sir. You have a wonderful wife and I’m glad you joined the club.

    Until now, he has not deleted my husband there form his friendslist, and my husband can’t remember his pw, so I asked md to delete him today. He is such a sad case. He thinks my husband wants to be his friend. LOL After all the inusults? I don’t think so!

  2029. RS said, on April 17, 2010 at 6:31 am

    Here we go again, with the motion content from the defense……LOL……..

    See page 4 of motion to remove Strickland on WFTV online,

    Mason’s notary comission has EXPIRED as of November 2009….therefor Casey may as well never have signed the motion, it is invalid IMO…..

    That is a significant error….what is up with all the errors in the defense motions over the course of time…

    wftv.com/pdf/23176762/detail.html

  2030. Along for the Ride said, on April 17, 2010 at 6:54 am

    This is no big deal.
    The judge is not prohibited from reading newspapers or watching tv, why should the internet be any different?
    If Melich can post on that idiotic cesspool, Websleuths, where medicated Grannies channel Sherlock Holmes; the Judge can exchange a few niceties with a dumb blogger.
    All those decrying Judge S, are you insisting Melich ‘recuse’ himself as well?
    How about the witnesses in the case that have appeared on Nancy Grace, Geraldo, the Today Show, Greta etc, sold photos and stories to the National Enquirer or a news station or posted on blogs.
    Are you insisting they are ‘tainted’ as well?
    (That would include almost every witness involved!)
    Move on, no news here but the balloon head blogger making an even bigger a@@ of himself than usual and the same little posse of obsessed blog commenters writing windbag novellas of outrage under a fresh slew of phony names.
    Blogs are just internet coffee klatches with the same childish level of gossip driven discourse. They are entertainment, get a grip!
    Boil these blogs down and you’ll discover 5 gasbag posters and a handful of looky lous. LOL! :)
    (If you believe their ‘always outraged’ protestations, claiming to post under just one name, I’ve got a bridge to sell you)
    Just try to watch a youtube video without reading their graffiti slathered there as well. They are omnipresent. (Cindy is for once correct in that these people have no life! But remember, we are to ‘learn’ from every pearl of wisdom they spew..LOL)
    Nothing to see here folks, just more of the same. Devotees can waste yet one more spring day harping on the internet rather than confronting their own empty lives.
    (All while proclaiming themselves avengers of evil!) YCMTSU! BLOGGER SUPERHEROES! :)
    Blogs are the great equalizer, all posts are equally valuable.
    The resident whining Christina Crocker ‘look what they did to me!’, a perpetual victim sobbing for undivided attention; the ‘I’m writing a potboiler’, ‘Me no speaka de English’ or the ‘I work in the courthouse/police/law office/for George Bush’ commenters are on the identical par with the slob chugging a breakfast beer and belching his opinion in print.
    That’s what makes blogs so entertaining and so annoying! ;)
    Some bloggers should spend 5 bucks and invest in a sense of humor; their righteous pompousity is pure comedy gold!
    Caylee will find justice in court not the blogs, so you can take off your capes, Super Bloggers and extend your horizons by walking away from your keyboards for 5 minutes.
    This isn’t the first blogger to clog up the works, nor will it be the last. Those with a memory intact might recall Sean Kraus.
    Judge Strickland’s comments to MD are of no legal consequence.
    Great job Kathi on the jailhouse interview, Loved it!
    Bill, couldn’t have said it better: “Who’s Zooming Who?”

  2031. Ina said, on April 17, 2010 at 7:21 am

    Along for the ride, you are right and hopefully stupid blogs are no part in this trial to come. lol, you said it very well :) This has nothing to do with the case. What is the defense doing??

  2032. Snowy said, on April 17, 2010 at 8:49 am

    JMO – This is just another blog blitz in Atty Baez’s media baitng game. Besides, I think it’s generous of the defense (Casey) to give MD (excellent media-baiting blogger) his 15 minutes of fame. He has invested a lot in his hook, line, and sinkers. And if perchance he wasn’t truthful about his activities with Judge Strictland – will the Judge have recourse?

  2033. amazed said, on April 17, 2010 at 9:32 am

    My goodness,

    Take a day or so break and whowah!! Sorry, but Daves overt need to be the center of attention, pat himself on the back, ask for adoration has maybe, hopefully done what nothing else seems to have been able to do. He has inserted himself into this case, with no credentials to do so, has gone out of his way to try to destroy this site, haas stamped the title RSO on a man who is innocent, and has continually walked away unscathed. The ironic thing is, he has now become a part of this case, and we can discuss him legitimately. Just keep thecomments focused on what this is about, and not make it personally or vulgar, and maybe things can be resolved for a lot of people.

    I do not think that Judge Strickland should be raked through the coals because he, like all of us at FIRST thought that Dave was fair.

    I guess this is what his little unexpected meeting was about the other day.

  2034. LNY said, on April 17, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Gee, Casey Anthony should be released form prison and sent home coz the judge spoke to a blogger. Anyone one of you talking heads think that maybe the Judge should not have befriended this blogger?

    Maybe we should all stop inserting ourselves into this case. Ever think all the negativity from bloggers is impeding a fair trial for Casey?

  2035. LNY said, on April 17, 2010 at 9:52 am

    OK, if the judge spoke to you, you wouldn’t write about it?

  2036. Ina said, on April 17, 2010 at 10:09 am

    If I was a judge in a murdercase, I wouldn’t want to become cosy with a blogger like that. It is not ethical. jmho.

  2037. McTavish said, on April 17, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Ina, you are mental and stalker. Get yourself some help instead of trying to get revenge on a man who you begged for cyber sex.

  2038. Kalalilly said, on April 17, 2010 at 11:22 am

    OK, Jose, blast away – but your day is coming regarding the smuggling of contraband; improprieties regarding the procurement of and inappropriation of client funds. And furthermore, Jose, you better watch out, because that mulit-untalented meat-soaker is going to tell HIS side of the story today and I’ll bet he calls you every name in the book (or at best repeats every 6th grade insult he’s leveled at anyone he thinks is his enemy – which is about half of the population). Yep, you are on MD’s chit list – boy-oh boy, you’re really gonna get it now. nah-nah-nah nah-nah! He might even go so far as to infer or imply that he has SOMETHING to tell your wife! Welcome to our world, Jose. You done messed wid’ da Debil!

  2039. kalalilly said, on April 17, 2010 at 11:34 am

    *mis-appropriation

    *multi-untalented

    I’m going back to bed

  2040. amazed said, on April 17, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    LNY,

    Since you came here to defend MD, I want to ask you some questions, one that has NEVER, NOT ONCE been addressed by the women who follow Dave Knechel. What do you think of what he did to sirjeff when he put his real name under the picture of a registered sex offender? Would you defend him if he did this in one of his baby hissy fits to YOUR husband? Why do you all pretend it did not happen? Why does he find it necessary to have an ode to himself in everyones face? Why do you all jump on anyone who does not agree with what Dave says to agree with? Why do you have to hold your tounge on his blog and can speak freely on any other? I am not attacking you, or anyone there, I am not name calling, I leave that to the bunch of you over there, I just want to see if you are fair enough to answer any of these questions about this blogger you follw and idolize? Look at what his need for attention has caused in this case, how sad.

  2041. nom de plume said, on April 17, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Amazed, what a great post! It will be interesting to see if she answers. If she doesn’t like to hear the truth about the meat man, she should stop reading all the other blogs.

  2042. RS said, on April 17, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    IMO the most embarrassing thing for judge Strickland is being connected to that Marmalade

    guy or his blog is the potential for being judged by the company he kept.

    that guy did indeed take the name of a person and impose it under a horrid sex offender image on his main page…

    He did indeed then launch into a full article on the guy including IMO VERY bigot oriented comments about/implying a sexuality…

    That is not a good spot for the judge to be in IMO…

    We will see how this motion plays out, as the above will also be brought into it, wait and see.

  2043. denjet said, on April 17, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Goof posted this upthread …
    “Marinade Dave // March 18, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    I’m back. I had lunch. We all went out. Jose and gang, Linda Drane Burdick and company. I told them we wouldn’t all fit in Waffle House, but dang! We did. Cheney Mason even picked up the tab – plus, he left a big tip! Judge Strickland was telling funny jokes the whole time. I coughed in my coffee, it was so funny. The only sad part for me was that they all ate dessert, but I couldn’t.”

    ????????????????????
    Wonder why the dream team didn’t mention this in their motion ?? To me, this is way more damning than an innocuous “Hello” in court !! Me thinks the A Team should have checked out this loon more thoroughly …
    What next? Joy Wray is having an pen pal affair with Judge Strickland? LMAO !!
    Maybe Marinade also knows George Bush and works for the CIA ??? It DOES take an awful lot of videos, but from his car though … at least I don’t think he’s taken any hanging out of trees, but who knows …
    Man, just when I think this case can’t get any crazier, BAM it does …

  2044. RS said, on April 17, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    nom de plume

    That one already made clear her view of what was done by posting the guy’s name under the sex offender and also a full article on the guy with even more effort to trash him..

    Her view is it is payback….

    But where a judge is concerned, being tied to that blog IMO looks BAD…like he makes bad decisions……

  2045. amazed said, on April 17, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Nom de plum, I would be surprised if she did reply, none of them want to face the fact that what he did was despicable., maybe even illegal. They can’t admit it, All because someone ,”sirjeff”, made unkind remarks about him. I have heard MANY people called worse names on that blog site than what was said about MD. The proof is and always will be in the backtype. He’s not normal.

    Karma can be rough. Even so, I think the motion is absurd as he obviously has a love affair going on with the Anthonys, and a lot of titles were plays on words, and that will stand up in court I think. Fair is fair, he never called for Casey to die, although he did try to accuse his faithful follower Lillyolilly of having done so. (In another of his hissy fits)

  2046. denjet said, on April 17, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    There’s been speculation as to which judge would step to take over the case should Strickland recuse himself (not that I think it will ever happen) …
    I guess the defense would take issue with Judge Belvin Perry Jr and Judge Byrd ?? Dave Knechel worked on Judge Byrd’s re-election campaign doing some artwork for him. Dave also quoted Judge Byrd as saying “I’m gonna kick that little black boy’s ass.”

    He wrote an article about it in March 2006:

    Judge Belvin Perry, Jr. – little black boy
    http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2006/03/03/judge-belvin-perry-jr-little-black-boy/
    Dave has posted comments on it February ’09
    Marinade Dave February 13th

    “I’ve never met Judge Perry, so I can’t vouch for his integrity one way or the other. All I can say is that my opinion of Judge Byrd certainly faltered after his racist remark. I have never heard the story of Perry cheating on his wife, and while not condoning it by any means, he’s certainly not the first judge to offer up a sin or two, if your story is true.

    As far as Perry’s father being a racist, I’ve heard remarks from my own father that would raise some eyebrows, but that’s no reflection on me.

    I guess it just makes us all human and subject to our own weaknesses. Yes, it does cut both ways and I’m sure Judge Byrd made some wise decisions in his day. But times change and it was probably time for him to go. Would a guy like Barack Obama even be nominated for the presidency if people like Byrd were in charge today? I doubt it.

    Thanks for taking the time to leave a few words, Gary.

    How on earth did you find this one? Yes, it was a dilemma, but it all worked out in the end. It would have been difficult to give up my career based on principle alone, and that is what I put in the forefront of my mind. I had mouths to feed. Young women to date. It was a tough decision and I had to weigh my paycheck and my conscience to decide. I took into consideration that Byrd was a product of the South and by calling someone by a racial slur did not necessarily mean the guy was a flat out racist. I had to take a lot of different things into consideration.”

    And this is the blogger who’s going to bring down Judge Strickland ?? I think not.

  2047. Barbeque said, on April 17, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Amazed,

    Thank you, that needs to have been said.

    LNY, you seem to be on the fence not knowing which way to lean for fear of falling out of grace with MD. Some have stepped up to the plate and asked Dave some hard questions over there. Will wait to see how he spins out of those.

    What is the downside for you? There are plenty of great blogs that DO NOT allow that type of conduct. I say it makes you less favorable in other places. The upside, when you see him for what he is and admit it, you will redeem yourself. This is going to be a long hard road to haul and the hating will not quit….ever…. with respect to MD and the fact is, that now what he has done will follow him for as long as he continues his blog. Even the posts and comments he has deleted from his blog are on the Internet and easily retrievable. You must know the opposition is going to use it against him.

    What I fail to comprehend is why those that follow him don’t have the moral fiber to move away for their own blog reputation and integrity. I am sorry for what he has done to himself, but he and SS brought it on themselves and drew you all into it. It is a shame as I believe there are some good people there who have blinders on.

  2048. LNY said, on April 17, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    BBQ, I am not in fear of anything. I asked a hard question of him today. As he was not compelled to speak to that PI and why did he not notice the sarcasm of that PI’s questions. I AM on the fence as to if he should have written about speaking to the judge. There is no downside for me. I am polite to blog owners and have disagreed with MD plenty of times. Enlighten yourself and see what kind of comments I have made. Sorry but a blog does not make me who I am. A “blog reputation” are you serious? LOL! I do not give a flying **** about any of you people and what you think of where I blog. I am not drawn into anything. Are you going to knock me for commenting at Niecey’s blog too? Gee, can’t wait to read upthread a little more.

  2049. Myrtle Beach said, on April 17, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    what amazed said!

  2050. amazed said, on April 17, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    RS, anyone who would think that what MD did with that sex offernder photo and an innocen tmans name is ok as payback, should as I said, think of how it would feel to have it done to them or their loved one. Anyone who agrees with what he did is as challenged as he is.

  2051. Myrtle Beach said, on April 17, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    if she ain’t ss, then she’s a ss-wannabe. i don’t know which could be worse.

  2052. LNY said, on April 17, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Well, SHE will answer. Honestly, no, I was taken aback by that Sirjeff name under that pedophile. I did not notice it at the time. Had no idea that you could highlight something that wasn’t there. With that said, Sirjeff wrote something pretty nasty and very juvenile, and if he wrote that about me, I would not have let that go. Do I agree with everything on MD site and all that is said? No I do not. So take the time to enlighten yourselves and see what my comments are. And when I do not agree with a blog owner I do not get nasty. Lets put it this way. You get nasty with me, I will get nasty with you. The nastiness about MD blog, especially here went way overboard.

    BBQ-The only thing I am on the fence about is if anything should have been written about speaking with the judge. Not then, but in hindsight now. Sorry, but I do not live and die by the blogs. I do not give a crap what any of you think of me and where I blog. A “blog reputation” ? Are you serious. DoYOU live for a blog reputation? The “hating will never quit”. ARe yo like this in “real” life. Lets face it , blogging is not real life. I have never seen so much hatred and nastiness than on this blog.

  2053. talking2much said, on April 17, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Linda

    You still haven’t answered the question posed by amazed and countless others. And No, giving them the finger doesn’t count.

  2054. katrina said, on April 17, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    LFNY is a poisonous leper, watch out it’s contageous from over yonder at that dank dark place she resides.

  2055. LNY said, on April 17, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Myrtle-An ss wannabe-are you still in 2nd grade? NOBODY directs my opinion about anything.

  2056. Myrtle Beach said, on April 17, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    looking down from the high road, it appears that her hair is thinning on top. is that common amongst those who share alter-egos and numerous user names?

  2057. LNY said, on April 17, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    talking, I most certainly did answer the questions. So you wanna hate on me coz I post at Daves?

    Katrina-who the he** are you. You do not even know me. All you peope like you know is name calling. Atleast BBQ and amazed ask a question, you schmuck.

  2058. katrina said, on April 17, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Of course LFNY is mentally challanged. Her posts are always, always mean & nasty. Is she MD’s long lost drunk sister? Inquiring minds want to know.

    And no not LFNY, SS, ADD has the courage to answer the question of why they think it’s okey dokey to slander sir. They bring up well sir said bla, bla, bla. as we’ve said what md did was bringing a gun to a pillow fight.

    It’s illegal, criminal & he’s lucky he doesn’t have a civil suit on his hands.

  2059. katrina said, on April 17, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Your true colors are showing LFNY what’s next you gonna call me fecal matter, oh how about dog vomit. Yes you learned well from your master you pig.

  2060. LNY said, on April 17, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Why do you all pretend it did not happen?– I am not pretending it did not happen, I was appalled…

    Why does he find it necessary to have an ode to himself in everyones face?– I do not know…

    Why do you all jump on anyone who does not agree with what Dave says to agree with? –I don’t jump on on anyone, The only thing I have disagreed with is the nasty name calling. And I disagree with Dave and other posters there plenty!

    Why do you have to hold your tounge on his blog and can speak freely on any other?– I do not hold my tongue and when I disagree I do it respectfully as I would to any other blog owner… And I do not speak mean unless I am spoken to that way.

    I am not attacking you, or anyone there, I am not name calling, I leave that to the bunch of you over there, I just want to see if you are fair enough to answer any of these questions about this blogger you follw and idolize?–Sorry, but I do not Idolize MD or anyone else for that matter. I am an individual. So don’t lump me in with those who you do not care for over there. Again, if you took the time to see my posts over the past, I don’t know, a long time you would see that.

  2061. LNY said, on April 17, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    No, katrina, I would call you a POS or dog puke. LOL This is fun!

  2062. katrina said, on April 17, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    You remind me of a drunken swine & I mean that in the kindest way. Have another cold one on me glug, glug, glug. Your words are starting to slir sweetie. Isn’t it a little early in the day to get your drink on?

  2063. katrina said, on April 17, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    That’s the thing that seperates you LFNY from us. You think this is fun, just like your master. I’m done you won now get you nasty ass over to md and brag how you sure got the best of us at bs. YOU LIVE FOR THIS!

    You morons will never learn. Proud of your boss look what he’s done it makes me sick. You’ll get the last word well dave usually does too & look where it got him. He ruined a reputable, honorabble man’s career & probably set the trial further back cause he couldn’t stop bragging. He was warned this would happen & slammed those who told him. same as you you pathetic, foul, hateful group of miscreants over at md’s just don’t get it, never will.

  2064. amazed said, on April 17, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    LNY I am glad you responded, I know that you have not always agreed with them and have said so. Still you have the need to defend them elsewhere. There have only been a few commenters here who have gone a bit overboard with remarks about MD SS et al, not everyone. Not many like him, they see him for what he is, and the RSO post is what he really is, someone said he smells, and suddenly that person is on the internet as a RSO when it is not true. That was for me the very last straw. He deserves to face some form of punishment for that, is was deplorable. This is NOT the worst blog about him, until he inserted himself into this case we were not even allowed to talk about him here. There are many here who were bashed and trashed by him & SS, so of course there will be no great love for him. What happened with him and Ina, should have been their business, SS took that to the next level. She still will not let it go, nor will Ina.

  2065. LNY said, on April 17, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    No, katrina, I don’t live for this. Why are you so nasty? Is that all you got? I am drunk and sliring (thats how you spelled it-are you sure you are not drunk?).

    No, you seem to think it is fun to be so nasty. What will us morons never learn? Sorry to have gotten under your skin. You OK now? There, there. Breath. In and out. And for the love of God, stop whining.

  2066. katrina said, on April 17, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Dave called the moderator of this blog a sexual deviant in one of his threads. Why because the mod won’t conform & run this blog ‘Dave’s way’.

    I copied that comment because my jaw dropped & I couldn’t believe what dave said about not only the mod but Mr. Sheaffer too in other posts throughout some months.

    Really disrespected them both, well that’s an understatement.

    Just like he did sir, calling people sexual things is despicable & criminal imo.

  2067. LNY said, on April 17, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Yes, Amazed I have defended that blog at times and mostly for such nastiness spewed towards him and other posters. I have a mind of my own. I am not looking to have enemies. After posting on Orlando Sentinel Topix when this case broke and then that blog folded I ended up at MD. So some people want to hate me and kill me for that. What can I say. That is one blog where the blog owner is there contributing as opposed to say, Caylee Daily where they put up an article and posters just well, post with no input from the blog owner. I am not going to aplogize to anyone for my commenting there. I’ve had many good conversations regarding the Casey Anthony case. I most ceratinly do not agree with what every poster and MD have to say. But I do not spew my feelings in a negative way. Like I saidI don’t always agree with a lot, but chose to ignore what I don’t agree with. I am not going to go on someone’s blog and be rude to them unless someone is rude to me. Like some here today.

    I said the following today and then got nastiness in return:

    -Gee, Casey Anthony should be released form prison and sent home coz the judge spoke to a blogger. Anyone one of you talking heads think that maybe the Judge should not have befriended this blogger?

    Maybe we should all stop inserting ourselves into this case. Ever think all the negativity from bloggers is impeding a fair trial for Casey?

    OK, if the judge spoke to you, you wouldn’t write about it?

    My point was, the defense wrote up another BS motion, IMO. What do they want for Casey to not go to trial coz the judge spoke to a blogger? And maybe the JUDGE should not have approached a Casey Anthony blogger! (And I guess I shouldn’t have said “talking heads”-so if I offended, I am sorry!). and really, if the judge spoke to any one of us, someone wold have blogged about it!

    Was MD right or wrong for writing about it? I AM on the fence about that.

  2068. amazed said, on April 17, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Katrina, yes he did call Craig a sexual deviant, though Craig chose to rise above him and not respond.

    LNY how many instances of that behavior will it take for people to see that he does not react to any sort of critique with anything other than venom.

    The important thing here, is that JS does not have to be affected by the fact that he spoke to MD. Jose is nuts, and Mr. Mason brings a whole new meaning to the words WTF!!

    Anyway he has that “Wacky Weezie” e-mailing JVM about the wonders of Mr. Knechel. Makes you wonder what they are putting in the metamucil these days!! I am sure this will be like the campaign to vote for him a bizillion times apeice so he could be in the newspaper. I sincerely do hope that they make the media look into his posts, to include his comments and slanders and name calling and putting personal information about people out there. Be careful what you ask for girls.

  2069. LNY said, on April 17, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Well Katrina, if you do not like what you read there why do you read it? At the end of the day, how does it impact your life? You are breaking things down into “us” and “them”. This isn’t Westside Story. There’s no Crips and Bloods. We all started off talking about a mother who murdered her daughter and it led to what? Beating eachother over the head with clubs! He started it, she started it, they started it. It is just ridiculous.

  2070. LNY said, on April 17, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    See that stament about weezie is way off. Jvm made 2 statements: One was that the Judge commented /posted on the MD blog. Which is a lie.The other was somehting to the effect of his blog being a biased and prejudiced blog against Casey regarding the “casey must die” post which was about the state seeking the death penalty. If anything MD has been called an “Anthony Lover” by all of you (and I don’t mean anyone in particular) and that he sticks up for that family etc, etc. Now, I even wanted to write into JVM and say, hey have you even read the post? as he was NOT saying Casey must die LOL! The heading was all tongue in cheek! If the defense actually read that post they would not have cited it in thier motion as being prejudiced and biased against their murdering client.

  2071. amazed said, on April 17, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    I stated upthread that he did not say Casey must die. My remark about Weezie to state that she just can’t contain herself, she has to run to the aid of MD, as do most there, he is I believe a grown man, who should be perfectly capable of defending himself in things he was right in. As she did here when this site first started, she goens in nostrils flaring and barely breathing on his behalf. A little overkill don’t you think. There are way to many rotten nasty things in his blog where he rails against people calling them names, as he did with Craig, Sirjeff and too many of his former commenters to mention. He could not withstand the scrutiny. IThat is what I meant by be careful what you ask for.

  2072. Barbeque said, on April 17, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    LNY,

    “blogging is not real life”? Oh, you bet it is. It became a very succinct reality yesterday. I don’t usually comment here so pardon me if I don’t know about the reputation of this blog. My life doesn’t revolve around the blogs either I did see your comment over there and that is why I guess I questioned why you would want to be a part of that. You seem to be better informed and I think that blog is beneath you. However to each his or her own.

    Peace?

  2073. LNY said, on April 17, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    I think it is more about the inaccuracy of the report on JVM than running to someones defense. I had to laugh at that report too, regarding the prejudice and bias against Casey. Again I do not agree with all that is said and done there.

    Can we just agree to disagree? Overkill on both sides.

    Listen, I am generally a nice person. However, if my feathers get ruffled or I get hit, I hit back, like we all do. When this all started here, I voiced my displeasure “over there” as to some of what “they” were saying “over here”. I do not jump on any bandwagons. I most certainly have a mind of my own. There were big mistakes on both sides.

  2074. nom de plume said, on April 17, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Have you read MDs rebuttal? You won’t believe your eyes. Give him enough rope and . . .

  2075. sleazyweezie said, on April 17, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Well I read md’s response to that Jeremiah Lyons pi & I’ve gotta give it to him, he wanted a real fight, now he’s got it..lol. I’m just going to sit back & laugh when Chaney tears dave a new one. He’s in a different league now, not just random bloggers he’s out to destroy. He’s picking a fight with the big boys now & I love it.

    As much as I hate the defense, I really hate md even more, you ready dave…lol…???

  2076. sleazyweezie said, on April 17, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    IMO unless his followers aka henpecked hags want to be dragged into a full blown lawsuit I’d think twice about posting on md’s for awhile. Better yet, nothing will happen to you, go their & show the little troll, I mean man your undying devotion..lol!

  2077. ThoughtElf said, on April 17, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Poor Craig & Bill.

  2078. ThoughtElf said, on April 17, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    The rebuttal has left me speechless. Dave is a certified danger to his own self.

  2079. LNY said, on April 17, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Yes, peace BBQ!!! All I have wanted to do is talk about the case on the blogs. And yes, it did hit real life yesterday. Oh well if it wasn’t this it would be something or someone else >LOL! Does the defense think that this case will just be dropped? What would be the point of getting rid of the judge? There will just be another judge to take his place! Just when you think the defense could not go any lower. I want to see them lose as much as if not as more as I want to see Casey get the DP at this point. They made me want Casey to get the DP more than ever.

  2080. LNY said, on April 17, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    I think it is great that someone slapped the defense across their face! They deserve it. Personally I would like to kick them all in thier @sses!

  2081. Nom de plume said, on April 17, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Linda, I am sure we all agree that the defense deserves what MD dished out, BUT he doesn’t see what a precarious position he put himself in. Not very good judgment on his part. He is just adding to the cluster____, stirring the pot and not doing himself any favors. His overblown ego and sense of inferiority just won’t allow him to be quiet when it is important to do so.

  2082. LNY said, on April 17, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    OK, I’ve been thinking…there really is no need to defend anyone but myself! I’m out of the blog wars!

    Damn, my back is killing me. I have been sitting at this computer all day! Haven’t done that in a while. This page takes too long to load and even longer to type a comment. Good nite to BBQ, Amazed and even you, katrina. PEACE!!!

  2083. Autumn Leaf said, on April 17, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    Don’t see any mention of the alleged ‘get well soon’ wishes on his latest rant.

    Guess his best defense is a good offense, but my oh my he went overboard. Think he just dug his hole just a little bit deeper with his latest diumbazz BS. He’s quite entertaining lately.

  2084. BB said, on April 17, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    I only have a bit here. MD has made his statement to clarify his position, very good!
    However, he has also clarified how he uses people, promoting them to go out and do harm on his behalf. He should have just made his statement and let it be between him and the PI. He illustrates a faulty, unhealthy character, a weakness in his personal strength by encouraging underlings to get involved to do more harm by carrying on his personal fight for him and keeping it going. Otherwise he has given an acceptable explanation. imo.

  2085. BEES KNEES said, on April 17, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    Amazed!!! “He’s not normal.” HA HA HA HA HA!!!! Ya think?

    You know what . . . the next move could be karmically-beautiful. Baez throwing suspicion on MD as the murderer. Why was MD always lurking around that area with his camera? How come he tries so hard to insert himself so deeply into the legalities of this case? I think he could be framed just as easily as Roy Kronk, non? Maybe even easier.

  2086. Kalalilly said, on April 17, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    omg! Bees! We could have been reading each others’ minds!

    Re: “Damn, my back is killing me. I have been sitting at this computer all day!” Then get a life…and don’t waste your days carrying tales from blog to blog…

    why, when you know the theme and flavor of a particular blog site, then WHY would you comment there about people and a blog that is not well received? Oh. To get something started? OIC. Yes, uh-huh.

  2087. Nom de plume said, on April 17, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Bees – you are diabolical! I like the way you think. :)

  2088. LNY said, on April 17, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Hey Kalalily-go ***k yourself

  2089. LNY said, on April 17, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Hey Kalaliy go * * * * yourself. With you here the flavor of the blog tastes lidke S H I T

  2090. nom de plume said, on April 17, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Well, we know one person who just got themselves banned.

  2091. Kalalilly said, on April 17, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Re: BB said: “… He illustrates a faulty, unhealthy character, a weakness in his personal strength by encouraging underlings to get involved” Hmmm, that’s the way I see Ron Cummings running his underage drug pushers. Definitely flawed characters.

  2092. Kalalilly said, on April 17, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    LNY said, on April 17, 2010 at 5:43 pm I think it is great that someone slapped the defense across their face! They deserve it. Personally I would like to kick them all in thier @sses!

    Did she threaten the lawyers by that remark???

  2093. BEES KNEES said, on April 17, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    Here we go! To anyone who hasn’t watched MD and his posse in action before, check it out.

    At 7:22 pm MD states, “This whole incident is so surreal. The bashers are wishing for blood. Well, it ISN’T GOING TO HAPPEN. Meanwhile, obladi oblada.”

    Oh! OK. But something’s gone wrong because here he is a couple hours later and he is doing exactly what he says ISN’T GOING TO HAPPEN ~ publishing private information. Check him out, encouraging his posse to do his bidding. Now pay attention to this because if it’s a pattern he will have deleted this comment before morning. Watch. I don’t know for sure how many times he has done this. I have actually seen it happen three times with my own eyes, but as I said earlier, I do not read his blog regularly so who knows how often it has happened, but here it is, under our noses.

    First, this is what he said to his regulars:

    MD: “First, One final thought. I have maintained all along that I have never published anyone’s private identifying information on the Internet. That is about to change. This is the first time (NO IT CERTAINLY IS NOT) I have ever really felt like pondering the thought, so now I URGE YOU TO TIE UP THE CELL PHONE OF JEREMIAH LYONS. Clutter up his e-mail box and send him all the negative messages you want. He has turned me into a public figure (no MD, you did that yourself) and I am going to do the same thing to him. I looked him up on the Internet, just like what he did to find me. You rotten son of a bitch. You took me out of context.”

    And then he gives away the private information:

    Jeremiah Lyons
    ^&%# S.E. Camden St.
    Port St. Lucie, FL &^*@
    He also included Jeremiah’s telephone number and his email, which I am not going to post.

    Before long his regulars begin to respond to MD’s instruction:

    FRAN: I don’t want to take away from Dave`s post but it is easy to overload an hotmail email account. I think I will send a few videos his way and jam up his email account – nasty but he deserves it.

    JEANINE: “Dave, I’m sorry I forgot to add that I took advantage of the information you provided. As soon as I was done posting to you I called the slimebag and surprisingly he answered. He did not say a word. I am a bit worried that he may try to sue me for harassment, as well as others who may do the same as me. Is that possible in your opinion. I was polite but to the point and basically defended you and the honorable judge Strickland. I do hope he is getting blasted with many many negative calls, messages, and e-mails. Two can play this twisted game!”

    And then one more from JEANINE responding to MD’s questions: “Not ONE word was said by him. I could hear little kids in the background. I’m sure he’s taping all calls because I’m sure he’s being inundated with them. I sort of froze when he answered, I was expecting a recording lol. I told him he and the defense were low life scumbags lol. Also, that what he and the defense is doing to Dave and the judge is wrong, not that he cares, but I wanted to get my point across. I told him that the defense was going to end up getting slapped right upside their face with this ridiculous motion.”

    And then another commenter, GWEN, starts to worry that what they are doing may be considered a crime, and posts: “Guys, posting someone’s home address and contact information and encouraging thousands of readers to harass that same individual I’m pretty sure is a crime and if people do that, that is also a crime.” She wisely counsels Dave and says, ” If I were you, I would remove that information and ask your readers NOT to do that anymore. Just my opinion. However that is just wrong.”

    FRAN reassures JEANINE: “Jeanine, I am almost 100% sure he can’t sue you or do anything, you expressed your opinion and you are allowed to do that. He could have hung up, he didnt need to listen to you , but am sure he probably recorded it so they can carry on their defense that Casey cant get a fair trial. Don’t worry about it, he cant do anything

    JEANINE: “Well, it’s not harassment, as I didn’t repeatedly call. I calmly stated my opinion of his actions. Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing!

    There you go. That’s how it’s done, folks. Thanks Dave. There were other comments that I’m not going to bother with. How many hundreds of people read those comments and the guys personal information before he deleted them? And I would almost guarantee all of those comments will be deleted from his blog by morning. You think that’s bad? You should see what he did with somebody’s private information and a registered sex offender a couple weeks ago.

    Good night! I am spent.

  2094. JScalledme said, on April 17, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    And then he gives away the private information:

    Jeremiah Lyons
    ^&%# S.E. Camden St.
    Port St. Lucie, FL &^*@
    He also included Jeremiah’s telephone number and his email, which I am not going to post.

    ************

    Stupid bast$#% already deleted the pi’s street address. I snickered at the absurd claim ‘I never published personal info’ how many times have we heard that right before he publishes someone’s personal info? Or accuses them of being a registered sex offender?

    Did Strickland REALLY call him, seems to be evading that whole subject?

  2095. JScalledme said, on April 17, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    And to that dirty gash LindaFNY, you need a good wash.

  2096. LFNYisdrunk said, on April 17, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    LFNY says– hey *** you, no I nean f***** you, glug, glug, belch, guzzle, no what I really mean is d u c k y o u. I can wipe my own a z z hicup guzzle guzzle…pass out.

  2097. LFNYisdrunk said, on April 17, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    LFNY says- dis blooog tastes like s p i t, i meen s t i t, i meen s l u t, woo-hoo the rooom is spinning, my azz is sore frum bluging, i mean blogbing. Mes is going to bid, i mean bed.

    Why’s da the ruum still spinning, my hed hurts????? Bartender refiller up, wait I’m home now weeee!!

  2098. LFNYisdrunk said, on April 17, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Is you proud of me d-man I went to bs & tol em to f off, I’m a nyker big & bad…woohoo. I’m gonna regret this in da morning, hangover here i com!!!

  2099. caly said, on April 18, 2010 at 12:09 am

    J. Cheney Mason’s notary expires

    on *****11-20-13****

    It was issued on 11-21-2009

    notaries.doc.state.fl.us site.

  2100. Roll of Toilet Paper said, on April 18, 2010 at 12:09 am

    I actually hope a lot more people read through MD’s articles and comments and see his angry outbursts, vile name-calling and continual threats and recruiting his followers to help him harass others.

    He may compose good articles, research and investigating/reporting sometimes, but he can be horrifically unprofessional in his comments. That is where he really rears his ugly head.

  2101. Roll of Toilet Paper said, on April 18, 2010 at 12:21 am

    JScalledme said, on April 17, 2010 at 10:50 pm And then he gives away the private information:

    Jeremiah Lyons
    ^&%# S.E. Camden St.
    Port St. Lucie, FL &^*@
    He also included Jeremiah’s telephone number and his email, which I am not going to post.

    ************

    Stupid bast$#% already deleted the pi’s street address. I snickered at the absurd claim ‘I never published personal info’ how many times have we heard that right before he publishes someone’s personal info? Or accuses them of being a registered sex offender?

    Did Strickland REALLY call him, seems to be evading that whole subject?

    JScalledme said, on April 17, 2010 at 10:58 pm And to that dirty gash LindaFNY, you need a good wash.

    LFNYisdrunk said, on April 17, 2010 at 11:03 pm LFNY says– hey *** you, no I nean f***** you, glug, glug, belch, guzzle, no what I really mean is d u c k y o u. I can wipe my own a z z hicup guzzle guzzle…pass out.

    LFNYisdrunk said, on April 17, 2010 at 11:11 pm LFNY says- dis blooog tastes like s p i t, i meen s t i t, i meen s l u t, woo-hoo the rooom is spinning, my azz is sore frum bluging, i mean blogbing. Mes is going to bid, i mean bed.

    Why’s da the ruum still spinning, my hed hurts????? Bartender refiller up, wait I’m home now weeee!!

    LFNYisdrunk said, on April 17, 2010 at 11:16 pm Is you proud of me d-man I went to bs & tol em to f off, I’m a nyker big & bad…woohoo. I’m gonna regret this in da morning, hangover here i com!!!

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    HEROSFAN, it’s obvious this is you.
    You’ve got a lot of mental issues, my Lord!

  2102. LFNYisdrunk said, on April 18, 2010 at 3:18 am

    Who’s HeroesFan & who are you accusing anyone of being someone else? Obviously you must have another name besides roll of toilet paper lmfao.

    You sound just like dk & gang always looking to ‘expose people’ and out bloggers, everyone is so sick of it.

    I’d say someone posting in the middle of the night calling themselves a role of toilet paper is the one withshi*ty issues.

    I’m not HF, why do you say that Ms.shi*y?

    Who are you someone who wipes your d- boys a*& cause he can’t do it himself? Don’t try to figure me out worry about your own damn self.

  2103. lfnnyisdr said, on April 18, 2010 at 3:21 am

    Who’s HeroesFan & why are you accusing anyone of being someone else? Obviously you must have another name besides roll of toilet paper lmfao.

  2104. lfnnyisdr said, on April 18, 2010 at 3:23 am

    hey toilet paper–You sound just like dk & gang always looking to ‘expose people’ and out bloggers, everyone is so sick of it.

  2105. lfnnyisdr said, on April 18, 2010 at 3:32 am

    JScalledme said, on April 17, 2010 at 10:50 pm And then he gives away the private information:

    Jeremiah Lyons
    ^&%# S.E. Camden St.
    Port St. Lucie, FL &^*@
    He also included Jeremiah’s telephone number and his email, which I am not going to post.

    ************

    Stupid bast$#% already deleted the pi’s street address. I snickered at the absurd claim ‘I never published personal info’ how many times have we heard that right before he publishes someone’s personal info? Or accuses them of being a registered sex offender?

    Did Strickland REALLY call him, seems to be evading that whole subject?

    JScalledme said, on April 17, 2010 at 10:58 pm And to that dirty gash LindaFNY, you need a good wash.

    LFNYisdrunk said, on April 17, 2010 at 11:03 pm LFNY says– hey *** you, no I nean f***** you, glug, glug, belch, guzzle, no what I really mean is d u c k y o u. I can wipe my own a z z hicup guzzle guzzle…pass out.

    LFNYisdrunk said, on April 17, 2010 at 11:11 pm LFNY says- dis blooog tastes like s p i t, i meen s t i t, i meen s l u t, woo-hoo the rooom is spinning, my azz is sore frum bluging, i mean blogbing. Mes is going to bid, i mean bed.

    Why’s da the ruum still spinning, my hed hurts????? Bartender refiller up, wait I’m home now weeee!!

    LFNYisdrunk said, on April 17, 2010 at 11:16 pm Is you proud of me d-man I went to bs & tol em to f off, I’m a nyker big & bad…woohoo. I’m gonna regret this in da morning, hangover here i com!!!

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    ROTP—- it’s obvious this is you.
    You’ve got a lot of mental issues, my Lord!

    See I can assume it was you role of toilet paper…now is that really fair????? Don’t know HF except to see older posts & hasn’t been here in a while.

    You sound just like the gang over at dks always wanting to know who u are what your usernames r, well if I wanted you to know them all I’d tell ya ok. But it isn’t HF and that just pisses me off.

    I’m whoever, and don’t worry about it. THE MOD WILL DELETE IT, IT’S UP TO HIM NOT YOU TO DECIDE WHO HAS ISSUES ENOUGH TO DELETE NOT YOU jerk off…..

  2106. lfnnyisdr said, on April 18, 2010 at 3:41 am

    And lfny is the one who repeatedly tried to tell bloggers here to EFF off but couldn’t seem to get it right..lmao. Tried 3 times so I helped the drunken fool to spit the sh * * out. Not very nice for lny to flip averyone here off tell her something it was just a response to help her.

    Maybe lny should just draw a pic of the finger & send it to Craig, ya think?

  2107. lfnnyisdr said, on April 18, 2010 at 3:48 am

    YEAH LFNY ALSO TOLD KALILY SHE MADE THE BLOG SMELL LIKE SH** THAT’S NOT VERY NICE EITHER SO AGAIN MAYBE YOU SHOULD CONFRONT THE SOURCE OF the problem.

    I mean imo the woman sounds fried.. Do you condone that yet have a problem with someone telling lfny to stick it where the sun don’t shine well too bad.

  2108. lfnnyisdr said, on April 18, 2010 at 4:10 am

    I will not be back. Lag is taking forever & is messing up my pc, eating into my bandwidth. This blog needs a new article, or at least new page. Sorry Craig, delet all my bull s*it.

    I’m just sick of all the asho*es & can’t wait until this disgusting spectacle of a trial is done shame on u who exploit Caylee.

  2109. Roll Of Toilet Paper said, on April 18, 2010 at 4:25 am

    Paper said, on April 18, 2010 at 12:21 am JScalledme said, on April 17, 2010 at 10:50 pm And then he gives away the private information:

    Jeremiah Lyons
    ^&%# S.E. Camden St.
    Port St. Lucie, FL &^*@
    He also included Jeremiah’s telephone number and his email, which I am not going to post.

  2110. Roll Of Toilet Paper said, on April 18, 2010 at 4:28 am

    Me getting sleepy zzzzzzzzz gnity. Who am I really guess I dare you????????

  2111. Roll Of Toilet Paper said, on April 18, 2010 at 4:32 am

    I have the urge to wipe myself with myself cause i’m toilet paper, get it hahaha. now it time for zzzzzzzz.

  2112. azrenee said, on April 18, 2010 at 5:22 am

    Silly question I guess, but the defense spent nearly 300,000 dollars thus far, no discovery released, no review of TES records, no depositions of witnesses…that PI must have been charging big bucks for interviewing J Kerley and of course I doubt they had to pay for the depositions of the jail guards, they are being paid by the state already. I might be missing large amounts of news, but has ANY defense work been done to date that involves ANYTHING that didnt occur after Casey was in custody, or 10 yrs or more before Caylee was murdered? I would think the month of June would have been critical in their defense, or maybe the entire summer if you want to disbelieve every bit of forensic evidence to date?? Now the state of Fla is paying PIs to what….share recipe secrets with bloggers? Unbelievable…

  2113. meohmy said, on April 18, 2010 at 5:54 am

    “It’s only after we’ve lost everything that we’re free to do anything.”

    -Tyler Durden-

  2114. judypc said, on April 18, 2010 at 7:55 am

    azrenee:

    Yes, the very Judge that granted their motion of indigence now must review the bill for a P.I that was digging dirt on him, and decide does the State pay this bill.

    I have seen plenty of goofy moves by the defnse in this case, but I really see this last trick as on that will in the end bite them on the butt.

    The judge is caught in a catch 22, if he does step down he is admitting to some extent that there was an error on his part, if he stays on the case, then team Jose’ will question his every move and claim the judge is against them because of this.

    Honestly, His Honor would prob love nothing more than to be rid of this nest of loons, but IMO he should stand his ground and not give them a win.

    But, having said that if he does step down, I hope they draw the no more mister nice guy, baddest of the badass hang em high, I brought the damn rope with me, just give me a reason judge..
    If there is one in Orlando.

  2115. LNY said, on April 18, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Sorry, only told ONE person to eff off. LFNYisdrunk–You are hysterical. Looks like you had a lot of fun. Thanks for the laugh. Sorry to other readers for the bad language yestrday.

  2116. RS said, on April 18, 2010 at 9:29 am

    An observation/opinion related to motion to remove the judge:

    Within hours, more or less, of the judge supposedly making comments after a hearing last year, the Marinade guy does a mention of it and article on his blog.

    More recently, within hours, more or less, of running into another blogger at a hearing the Marinade guy does a mention if it and within an article, it later gets ugly, but within hours or so it is mentioned…

    YET, there seems no mention at all of a meeting with a defense PI, on a Sunday no less, nor mention of a subsequent phone call the next day,

    and THEN there is a mention BUT ONLY after a defense motion filed 5 days later is it revealed.

    Now, I find that most interesting….the judge gets mentioned, the other blogger gets mentioned, but 2 interactions with a defense PI and mum is the word on that it seems…interesting, very interesting.

  2117. amazed said, on April 18, 2010 at 9:29 am

    This is about MD not LNY, she stated her piece and asked to be left out of it, I am sure she is aware of what MD is all about, and I am sure she has been stung by both MD & SS, as a matter of fat I know she has. Please lets keep this up in an intelligent vein without all the foul language and taunts.

    I also know that Dave sent his people here to ruin this site,early on so lets not play into that. We are all grown up and if you really want to go the step further to vent in high gear, go to Baldaintbeautiful. It’s allowed there, and yes it does feel good to let go, but pleae lets not do this to Mr. Sheaffer or Craig again. Don’t respond to the real trashy remarks here, they may very well be set ups from there.

    Notice over there it is not his regular commenters harrassing the PI, it is the starstruck new commenters who have not figured it out yet, and are not in on it. They are doing the dirty work, and believe me there will be no support from MD or SS if they DO get in trouble for it.

    Peace to LNY

  2118. amazed said, on April 18, 2010 at 9:32 am

    Typos typo typos.. Sorry!

  2119. RS said, on April 18, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Another observation ….he didn’t withhold from his blog having to visit with Sgt Allen, and running into ex sheriff.

    Gosh, what a coincidence, he omits only the PI investigator visit, at his door no less, and a phone call..

    they have to read about the judge, about sir before it got ugly, about Sgt. Allen, but gosh what an oversight, OR NOT, not a peep at all about a defense PI until after a defense motion is filed.

  2120. Snowy said, on April 18, 2010 at 9:47 am

    It does seem that James L. McIntyre is taking advantage of Dave’s (MD) post-media traffic – he has made several ‘informative’ comments which interestingly enough no one seems to be discussing. Strange how he has been given a platform without any apparent dispute.

  2121. azrenee said, on April 18, 2010 at 9:55 am

    The catch 22 is a problem, but if any judge can and should stand up to scrutiny I would say Judge S is the man. I would prefer at this point for the defense to attempt an appeal somewhere down the line, rather than have c Mason ” pick” the judge he wants that he is probably aware is light on caseload right now. Appeals are only possible if the def dont enter a plea, which I think no one can rule out at this point. If the defense is bluffing, I say call em. See what they got and avoid any procedural technical errors in the future. Plenty of time to get ducks in a row, this case is moving at the speed of…rainfall here in az.

  2122. wow said, on April 18, 2010 at 11:07 am

    I have one thing to say after reading over there this morning, I am so glad that I made the decision and stuck with it to not comment on that blog. I also am happy to see that my reasons for making that decision are being verified post comment by comment by comment. MD & SS simply cannot stop themselves from being their own worst enemies.

    Having a blog where only the opinions you want printed and fostered is not in any way having a blog. It is having a soap box or pulpit from which to jam your opinions down others throats at all costs.

    Myrtle, we made it out in one piece, and it sure does feel good. LOL

  2123. Ina said, on April 18, 2010 at 11:32 am

    McTavish said, on April 17, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Ina, you are mental and stalker. Get yourself some help instead of trying to get revenge on a man who you begged for cyber sex.”

    McTavish and Snoopysleuth have one and the same ip number :) But somehow I knew it was her, even befor I checked! (She was on my blog too. It.)

    I don’t think I ever begged for sex, SS. You are funny when you are … you.

  2124. Ina said, on April 18, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Now seriously: this date on the motion was not valid, so the motion is not valid? Is that correct?

  2125. burnhill21 said, on April 18, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Given Judge Strickland’s reputation and performance to date I would think he could ride this stunt out IF this MD guy is lying about the Judge calling him to enquire after his health.

    It seems MD wont go there……….did he make that bit up or embellish it. Was he infact stalking the judge via e mail or some other form of communication?

    I admire JS but admit when he called this guy out at the hearing, it was the first and only thing he has done which gave me a WTF moment.

    If he did solicit future contact with a guy who wrote gushing hero worship about him and his rulings on the case then Im afraid he will have to go.

    Mason knows this case is not winnable, putting forward the phantom nanny will render him the laughing stock in Florida legal circles. But add an other year to the trial date,backup even more cases in Orange County and hey maybe Lawson Larmarr will
    play ball and offer this girl a reduced charge. This crew are not planning for a trial.imho

    As for the blogger’s actions. Someone arranges to come to your home, presumably, he tells you he is working for the Casey Anthony defense team and he wants to tape the event. And you dont ask why??? You have an opportunity to sleep on it , yet when he phones back the next day, you give him even more amunition on the good Judge and as RS states the same blogger makes no mention of this to his readers. Hmm

    Looks like MD was hoping to get something out of the encounter and it backfired spectacularly on him. His name dropping and the sickening reverence with which he writes about mere reporters and attorneys on this case suggest this guy has ver low self esteem.

    That said if the blogger is being completely honest about his dealings with JS then it is a very fine but fallible Judge that has f*cked up here. Sad, as Justice is the loser.

  2126. LNY said, on April 18, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Amazed, I appreciate that!! For cryin out loud, get this thing to trial already. This stupid defense team with all their motions, their Roy Kronk’s (throwing anyone under the bus), wanting the judge to step down over BS, C&G and their big mouths make Casey look even more Guilty, if that is possilble! Most of the bloggers do not even live in Florida therefore, no tainitng of the jury pool. THEY have put this in the news to the extent it has been. Get on with it already. It took 14 months for OJ to kill his wife and friend, go on a broncho chase go to trial and get aquitted! This run of the mill baby killer? 3 years for it to get to trial.

  2127. Autumn Leaf said, on April 18, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Ina, This particular motion may not be “valid” due to the notary stamp indicating an expired notary commission. May be all that is needed to correct this error is to file an amended or corrected motion indicating the correct notary stamp that reflects a current commission. Hilarious though that the defense cannot file one single motion correctly the first time around. Dunces, all of them.

  2128. Kalalilly said, on April 18, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Thanks Amazed, you are the voice of reason we need.

    Mason’s Notary commission is current thru 2013 – he just used an outdated stamp – no big deal. Well, it does speak to his inattention to detail…if you want to split hairs, that is. In some states, attorneys are automatically comissioned Notaries, in some states they have to renew…different rules wherever ya go.

  2129. sassy said, on April 18, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Well, LNY you can thank your buddy MD for this! This trial won’t go any where fast with a new judge having to step into place.
    it is sure sad that someone can want the limelight so bad that he will throw a judge off a bridge and think that he has the right to blame the defense team! It is sure a shame!
    I hear he wants to write a book or a screen play now!

  2130. sassy said, on April 18, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    here is the location of the information about the book screen play

    http://baldaintbeautiful.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/you-name-could-be-blacked-out/#comment-378

  2131. Kalalilly said, on April 18, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    I would think that M.D. will have little or no credibility by the time he gests done with himself. After all as Valhall said, “… what can you expect from the only blogger who is now certified in Florida public records as the single example of an unfair blog?”

    Further quote from The Hinky Meter Blog:
    So, basically, Dave violated Florida statute when he divulged the contents of these communications without first obtaining approval from Judge Strickland.

    In Florida, generally all parties must consent to the recording or the disclosure of the contents of any wire, oral or electronic communication. This means phone calls! Recording, disclosing, or endeavoring to disclose without the consent of all parties is a felony, unless the interception is a first offense committed without any illegal purpose, and not for commercial gain. Florida Statute section 934.03.

    Under the statute, consent is not required for the taping of a non-electronic communication uttered by a person who does not have a “reasonable expectation of privacy” in that communication. However, this oral communication must be one that is made in a setting in which a person does not have a “reasonable expectation of privacy.” There are various circumstances when a person may not have a reasonable expectation of privacy. See also Florida Statute section 934.02 for the definition of “oral communication.” See also Stevenson v. State, 667 So.2d 410 (Fla. DCA1996); Paredes v. State, 760 So.2d 167 (Fla. DCA 2000).

    http://www.floridacriminallawblog.com/2009/05/recording_telephone_conversati.html

    While one could argue Judge Strickland’s “reasonable expectation of privacy” in the conversation in the court room (and I believe lose that argument because Dave was called to a location other than in front of a mic or as part of an official proceeding), they definitely can’t argue the Judge’s “reasonable expectation of privacy” during the phone calls!

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0934/titl0934.htm

    And please note these statutes cover ORAL transmission of private conversations as well as recordings of those conversations. So, this is not just a matter of bad form, it’s a legal issue as well.
    ~end quote.

  2132. Kalalilly said, on April 18, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    By virtue of the fact that he made the following assertion, MD has finally jeopardized the situation beyond repair:

    “What the judge needs to do is toss this motion out because it smacks of desperation.” Knechel said.

    IF the motion is denied now, it would definitely taint Judge S. with the stain of impropriety – as if HE, a highly trained legal scholar, would follow any directive of faggy Dave K. BUTT, in the big picture of things, Dave sealed the fate of this motion with those words. That toad f***er!

  2133. judypc said, on April 18, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    I went over last night and read the post brought up in the motion filed, and have to say I have even more skepticism for team Casey, the judge only needs to review those post in court to show they are even bigger bone heads than we ever gave them credit for, and trust me that was not easy to do, given the fact they have been dim-witted this whole time.

    In the post in question MD is in fact on defenses’ side, he is saying the DP is unwarranted, and should not be used in today’s courts.
    He is also stating that Casey can not get a fair trial in Orlando, or anywhere else because the evil media and evil blogger’s have already found her guilty.

    He pisses and moans about how unfair the Anthony’s have been treated, how unfair Casey has been treated, how Jose’ is fighting the good fight for justice for his much maligned client.
    He bashed the protesters, he bashed bloggers who speak of her guilt, he bashed police for what he saw as wrong-doings, he bashed Lamar, he has bashed the forensics.

    So, where in these post does team Casey pull out that the judge is a threat to their ability to get a fair shake?

    Seems to me if the judge was in fact touting MD then would that not mean they would have no need to fear his gavel?

    I am very puzzled to say the least, and RS does bring up a VERY good point, why was he so damn skippy in a hurry to post his meetings with PoPo and the judge, but remained silent when he had a visit from the defense TWICE!!

    Just one of those things that makes ya go “HUMMMMM”

  2134. LNY said, on April 18, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Sassy, do me a favor, please don’t address me about MD. I got nothing to do with this. Please thank him yourself. I voiced my opinion over there. C’mon, gimme a break! LOL!

  2135. judypc said, on April 18, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Oh and why is he getting all of his bloggers to contact JVM show?

    Is he wanting to hit the bad bad media Circuit that he so detest’s, you know those really bad reporters who can get nothing right and only want ratings, those really bad reporters that have made it so hard on his pal’s the Anthony’s?

    Again……”HUMMMMMMM”

  2136. RS said, on April 18, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    judy

    the better question is why was he insisting they all, in legal terms, as in criminal legal terms,

    IMO deliberately harass the PI….

    And yes, the defense again has shown, what should we call it, a lack of something, in choosing those examples in their motion….when there are other examples that would have fit such an effort if one were to embark on something like that….

    And MD looks shady IMO for the fact that he is johnny on the spot with info on Judge, on Sir, on Sgt. Allen, even on Haleigh case folks and says NOTHING about something very relevant to his blog content about a defense PI showing up at his door, and phoning him, and does ONLY AFTER everybody finds it out by media about a defense motion. Why the silence timed to end after the motion is filed? Curious minds want to know………

  2137. sassy said, on April 18, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Just listened to the Blog new net show. What a real waste of time that was. NOTHING was mentioned about Caylee at all. BUT if you do listen, you will hear that MD mentioned that he called the Judge, not the other way around. The world famous blogger needs to get an attorney and shut it. He has already goofed up his side of the story!
    He wants on Jane Velez-Mitchell, put him on Nancy Grace. She’ll set him straight.

  2138. RS said, on April 18, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    sassy,

    and what was his reason for calling the Judge?

    I did see one who listened say he had said the Judge called him after he had gotten out of the hospital..

    So are you saying the Judge was returning his call?

  2139. BEES KNEES said, on April 18, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Judy, who decides who the next Judge will be? I’ve heard rumours that Cheney Mason already has a favorite Judge in mind. Surely they don’t let the Defense be part of the decision. Do they?

    Amazed, you mention that it’s not “his regular commenters harrassing the PI, it is the starstruck new commenters who have not figured it out yet, and are not in on it.” I have actually believed for a long time that those “new” commentors are a.k.a. MD. You know, they show up once, they sing his praises, you never see their names on any other blogs, and they never show up twice on his blog.

  2140. BEES KNEES said, on April 18, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Kalalilly! “toad f***er!” HA HA HA HA HA . . .

  2141. BEES KNEES said, on April 18, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    RS, there have been rumblings since last year that Potty was a troll for the Defense. Who knows?

  2142. BEES KNEES said, on April 18, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    Dear Craig,

    Sir, the lag time is atrocious. Do you hate us? Are you good friends with the Anthonys/Baez? Please give us a fresh page. No story necessary.

    TIA

  2143. nom de plume said, on April 18, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Who is potty?

  2144. BEES KNEES said, on April 18, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    Potty is short-form for Potty-mouth. Someone obsessed with fecal content and farts.

  2145. Nom de plume said, on April 18, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Thanks Bees. It fits him.

  2146. kalalilly said, on April 18, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    …From Valhall:

    “…Setting aside the whole breech of privacy in communication issue, there’s the call-to-arms he has done where he publicly posted the personal information of a WITNESS in a very important proceeding of a murder trial with the intent of getting members of the public, at his direct command, to harass that WITNESS because the WITNESS, in a sworn affidavit, said things that made him mad?…”

    The man has broken a few laws whether it be the 2 points made above or the defamation of character against sirjef (sirjet) or who knows what else. I would hope and any news journalist, ethical or otherwise, considering an interview with this star struck egotist is made aware of what a loose canon he really is. Write your Congressman! Email reporters! The real call to arms is to apprise the Fourth Estate of
    this potential danger to society. Talk about a blight on a blog – he takes the cake.

  2147. Snowy said, on April 18, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    If it is true that MD knew hours prior (at least) that the defense intended to file this motion then how can we think he was ‘blind-sided’ by the whole thing and maybe even ‘tricked’? If he knew wouldn’t that make his indignation (recent post) seem almost staged? I wonder if publishing the PIs personal information, etc…. might have been part of an agreement or arrangement with the PI to do this – to allow him to maintain his current blog persona after the fact. And did anyone else on that blog also know about this motion prior to its filing? MD is not ignorant about the law – I feel he knows just enough to know how far he can push things. JMO

  2148. Kalalilly said, on April 18, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Snowy,

    I mean no disrespect, but that sounds like a made-for-tv plot to me – I don’t know about the rest of y’all, but the levels of suspicion and paranoia surrounding this latest flap is becoming waaaay overblown – I am backing off (for 24 hours). Carry on, all.

  2149. LNY said, on April 18, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    coco, I think you have gone coo-coo. You are off your rocker. A plant, a traitor? LOL! are you for real? Are you paranoid about something?

    coco said, on April 18, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    ABOUT LFNY–Remember the defense has informants & internet plants who go from blog to blog pretending to be your friend. LFNY was among those who intruded on Bill’s blog when it was new & tried to ruin it by pushing us not to ‘trash the anthonys’ ok lets remebmer that before you all start gertting chummy with this traitor. and LFNY’S been over at md’s mostly on the md is a victim bandwagon.

    HAHAHA I am a PLANT for the defense??? That is the funniest thing I have ever heard. Are you nuts? A traitor? Do you think I am related to Benedict Arnold? You are intruding on peoples eyes by writing such a hilarious thing. A defense plant!

    -Sure LFNY questioned some of his tactics but not strongly enought to rile his feathers, so you know she treaded lightly cause it don’t take much to pizz him off. I think she’
    s a traitor

    Not stronyly enough? What should I do, beat him up? Unlike you I can disagree or state my oppostion with someone, apparantely on a more intelligent level than you and not be nasty aboiut it or call someone names.

    -Just yesterday LFNY BARKED AT KALILLY TO EFF OFF & SAID SHE MADE THIS BLOG SMELL LIKE SH** OK, JUST YESTERDAY.

    I address someone as I am addressed. K barked first.

    LFNY- YOU CAME HERE TO DEFEND HIM NOW YOU SAY GIVE YOU A BREAK…JUST LIKE YOUR PAL WHEN CAUGHT IN A SITUATION, LIE & DISTRACT…NO WONDER YOU PEOPLE LOVE THE ANTHONYS JUST LIKE EM.

    -LFNY-You say you hate the Anthonys I don’t believe you.. anyone who’s a loyal friend of Dave’s imo can not care about justice for Caylee when all he does is defend the A’s and promote & stroke his ego to the detriment of this case!

    Oh coco, how will I get through my life if you do not believe me? And my dear, how much do YOU care about Justice For Caylee? Try discussing the case and not some “conspiracy theory” about defense plants!

    P.S. those voices you are hearing are in your head. They’re coming to take you away..haha…

  2150. talking2much said, on April 18, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    Caylee Marie , murdered and discarded like trash, her own family sold her out for a cruise and some tattos, all this baby is ever going to get is this trial to send her murderer to death row and there are losers, wannabe’s, nobody’s, narcissist , you name it, they are crawling out of the woodwork like the roach’s they are and disrupting it.

    Good God Almighty, can’t this baby catch a break, even in death? Anyone who interferes in the only thing she has left deserves all that is coming to them.

  2151. LNY said, on April 18, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    I truly believe that Caylee will get Justice in the end. Her Mother will be convicted, regardless of all the shenanagin’s the defense wants to pull. The more crap they pull the more guilty Casey looks.The circumstantial evidence alone will convict her.

  2152. LNY said, on April 18, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    Apologies to Craig for my contribution to some, but not all comments that were inappropriate.

  2153. talking2much said, on April 18, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    LNY

    It is the defense attorney’s duty to defend their client, as much as I don’t like some of the things they have done, I know why they do it.

    But Dave Knechel, Joy Wray and others have no such duty and have done nothing to contribute to justice for Caylee, they have inserted themselves and created problems for the Court, to what end? They are known and that’s all they wanted, it seems it doesn’t matter what for or what the cost, look at me is their mantra. Pathetic examples of human beings. Is what they are, they waste the time of the Court and LE and blame others for it.

    The do all they can to take the only thing a murdered baby is going to get and make it about themselves and they aren’t even ashamed of that.

  2154. ThoughtElf said, on April 18, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    I’m still speechless. Still have teethmarks in my tongue and my fingers are asleep from sitting on them.

    I’ve seen whole new, scary lows in the past few days. Do you ever read things that are so reprehensible that you’re stunned into silence?

    There has to be an end point to the evil and awfulness that’s surrounded Caylee’s death, doesn’t there? Where does it end? It’s so incredibly sad.

    I’m looking forward to some REAL journalists reporting once court opens in the morning and the Ninth Circuit legal brains begin to sort this out.

    meohmy said, on April 18, 2010 at 5:54 am
    “It’s only after we’ve lost everything that we’re free to do anything.”

    -Tyler Durden-

    Love the selection, and quoting Tyler Durden does seem apt. This isn’t a court case, it’s like Fight Club. Pound each other until there is bloodshed.

    While I sit on my fingers again and zip my lip, I for one am going to think about Caylee. This craziness is making me heartsick.

  2155. Caring Nana said, on April 18, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Question for all…and I am just throwing it out. The defense claims that MD is pro-prosecution , which we know is a crock. Is it possible this is pro-defense in a backwards sort of way? Meaning there is nothing here for the for prosecution – it is all in favor of the defense? Is this another way at tempting a tainted jury? MD has been labeled, by many of his comments, as an Anthony lover. Is this an attempt by MD and the defense to taint the jury pool?

  2156. talking2much said, on April 18, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Caring nana

    I personally think MD is all about himself, the defense saw an opening and took it, MD created the opening with that massive ego of his. I don’t think he cares one way or the other about how this trial turns out, just so he gets a little fame out of it. IMO he’s a parasite .

  2157. Caring Nana said, on April 18, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Thanks Talking. Just a shame that everyone is going after their bit of Caylee.

  2158. Jnetk said, on April 18, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    Talking2much

    I think you hit the nail right on the head. MD is all about himself. He somehow (in the recesses of his crippled mind) thinks he is going to come out famous. Well I personally think it’s going to be infamous, and not what he expects at all.

  2159. NosyParker said, on April 18, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    “shame on u who exploit Caylee”.

    Well said and bringing things back to the basics. A little 2 year old girl supposedly “disappeared” and her mother didn’t tell anyone. She just partied harder for 31 days. End of story.

  2160. kate said, on April 18, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    Caring Nana:

    Your post resonates the masses! My interpretation, like the splinters of the true cross
    the wrong people want a piece.

    This case has no moral or ethical barriers.

  2161. judypc said, on April 18, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    ThoughtElf

    It seems once we think it could not become more insane, something else comes along that leaves us shaking our heads and wondering what could possibly top this?

    Sadly, I do not think we have yet scratched the surface as to how bad things will be in the future.

    We have seen the very best, and alas the very worst in people that have been involved in this case, I recall people by the thousands searching for a beautiful child, the tears in a burly old sheriff as his voice broke and he said “My God, no child should have to go through this”

    I have listened to prayers, whispered prayers, and cried for a child I never knew, yet was somehow touched by her.

    Then , we have seen the greed, the games played and the lies, we have watched in horror as her family sold her innocence, cashed in on her tragedy, and covered up her death.
    We have watched in shame as lawyers have made a mockery of our courts.

    Been appalled by those that seek their 15 minutes in the spotlight, and we wonder does anyone remember the child?
    Do they allow her haunting eyes into their minds eye?

    Can they imagine her fear, her confusion, her pain, can they for one second imagine her cry’s, her gasping for air, convulsing, then finally giving into the darkness of that trunk, her body laying there still and growing cold, forgotten until she began to smell, then thrown away for animals to feed on her.

    These people that have given away their soul to have a moment of supposed glory and greed will forever be marked by the death of a helpless, innocent child that they saw only as a ticket to fame or fortune, her cry’s will be heard by a jury, they will be echoed throughout that courtroom.

    And those that seemed to take center stage for a moment, try as they might to regain their moments of glory, they will remain stained, shunned , and finally forgotten.

  2162. kate said, on April 18, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    Judy:

    Any press is good press! Transparency is rather obvious where the defense hangs their hats. My fervent hope the “Powers that Be” have a method to the madness, metaphorically speaking. JMHO, the motion to recuse, will serve expeditiously to seal Casey’s fate.

  2163. ThoughtElf said, on April 18, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    judypc said, on April 18, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    Thank you for writing that Judy. So very much.

    I truly have been pretty speechless for days, except with the most trusted of friends where I can vent my utter disgust, and yes, heartbreak. I just don’t have the words, but I am grateful that you do.

    You’ve summed it up so eloquently, and clearly. As have the last several posters who are again thinking, talking, and feeling bereft for Caylee.

    How can one sweet, big-eyed baby be surrounded by so much evil and ugliness, even now? I’m beyond banging my head. I just want to cry and keep asking, “Where does it end?”

  2164. judypc said, on April 18, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    ThoughtElf.

    Just remember, Caylee is no longer surrounded by this ugliness’.
    Do not allow those that prey on this lovely child to cause you distress, just hold onto the fact that as yet her little voice has not been heard, but her days are coming.

    Let the vultures squawk and strut around, and know the little Dove will have a voice like thunder that will shake the walls of that courtroom, her eyes will stare back at that jury, her story will be told.
    Her silence is but for a little while.

    And always remember you are among friends, we all understand the frustration.
    Be safe and well my friend.

  2165. sassy said, on April 18, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    RS, he said on the blog radio show that he was waiting for the judge to return his call. I assume that means that he had called the judge first!

  2166. sassy said, on April 18, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    I do believe that MD has been on the payroll since what, February? I also believe he worked for the defense! He is part of this whole thing to get the Judge removed. There is a video of MD handing the Judge a card and patting him like a dog on the shoulder! He also talks with the Cryin Lyons after the card is exchanged!

  2167. ThoughtElf said, on April 18, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    Thank you again.

    You’ve written what I, and possibly many others have needed to hear and read again, brushing aside the cobwebs being spun.

    Thanks again for the much-needed lift. On that brighter note, I am off for now, but look forward to reading more brightness here tomorrow.

    Night, Judy.

  2168. Jena said, on April 19, 2010 at 1:27 am

    It will take about 3 years imo for all the dust to settle the trial will be over Casey securely tucked away LWOP & bloggers like md will be but hazy memories faded, as will the Joy Wrays, Milsteads all leeches & hangers on. Anthonys too, just left with their shame. And then what will we blog about?

    Hope no other case comes along like this one again. It exposed the worst traits in humans, ready to sell a murdered 3 yr old little girl down the river. It’s continuing now Caylee’s a cotttage industry for attention whores & greedy bastards.

    But the blood money will dry up like I said in 3 yrs give or take. If I were the md’s, the Wrays, defense I’d be ashamed, when it’s over you’ll have to face what you’ve done.

  2169. Ina said, on April 19, 2010 at 2:30 am

    Hi autum leaf, thank you for the info. This will cost a lot of money too. I think because of the internet, justice for both Caylee and Casey has become a stage for egoïstic self lovers. Of course it is great if bloggers can give some insight esp. for themselves,, but it doesn’t mean it is the compass for the law.

    Is this the Sunshine law’s fault? Could this fiasco have happenbd in a state without that law?

    Now I am against the dp, and lately in my country a woman got out of prison after 6 years, she was convicted for murdering 7 people. It came out she couldn’t have done it, although she was always nearby. It wasn’t even murder, but nature. She was a nurse and the people were patients. Now if she was given the dp, an innocent person would have died. Some people didn’t give up on her, and eventually they convinced the Judge she was innocent. (the case Lucia de Berk)
    So perhaps the public does need to check the system??

    I think guilt must always be proven before a person gets convicted, and not by bloggers, but by the officials that should do their job with dignity and a certain distance. Bloggers must on the other hand have freedom of speech. It will always be difficult to keep a balance in future. Sense should prevail, nonsense should be avoided. Just my thoughts.

  2170. sassy said, on April 19, 2010 at 7:07 am

    SORRY:

    There is a video of MD handing the Baez [not the Judge] a card and patting him like a dog on the shoulder! He also talks with the Cryin Lyons after the card is exchanged!

    This video is from January 2010 after the court hearings.

  2171. Autumn Leaf said, on April 19, 2010 at 7:56 am

    Ina, The refiling of a corrected motion shouldn’t cost the defense a dime, and they do not require leave from the court to refile. However, I believe the refiling would extend the time to respond to the motion. (I think.)
    The Florida Sunshine Law was enacted to provide transparency regarding public entities. As with any law and in this case I believe it has been abused as we can see here.

    JMO of course.

  2172. Ina said, on April 19, 2010 at 8:07 am

    Thanks Autumn leaf. I really appreciate that.

    I just want to warn you that someone used my head, email adress and weblogadress (Well it must be the way he did it) to make a comment on Baldaintbeautiful stating I want MD killed. I hope someone can stop this idiot. My emailadress, the one I use for comments and the blog, is only known to a few, Kreuzer, the blog here, and MD . I think this is a serious matter, as it says Kill. I did not say that comment! If it happens again, or in here, : Craig, I don’t ever use a proxy!

  2173. Ina said, on April 19, 2010 at 8:12 am

    The comment with my head and link to my weblog said:

    “I want MD dead. Is there a person in florida thatwill kill him for me?

    Comment by Ina — April 19, 2010 @ 12:29 pm ”

    I am really upset about this. This is beyiond sick! This is criminal!

  2174. sterling1462 said, on April 19, 2010 at 9:30 am

    http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/0416%20Memorandum%20In%20Support%20Of%20Defendant’s%20Motion%20To%20Disqualify%20Trial%20Judge.pdf
    in the above link to channel 13 document posting for the Defense motion to remove judge…
    This is an unsigned document….. Baez and C. Mason had not signed it when they gave it to 13. This motion was signed on all the other media outlets….
    So the Defense team is leaking motions to the media before filing them…… thought that was unethical…..?

  2175. No de plume said, on April 19, 2010 at 9:42 am

    Bingo! Maybe that is why MD clammed up and didn’t want to comment further when asked why he commented before the document was filed! He did not want to rat out the duhfense!

  2176. C said, on April 19, 2010 at 10:01 am

    MD would give it to others, Ina

  2177. Myrtle Beach said, on April 19, 2010 at 10:45 am

    fascinating! spellbinding! must read:
    http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/04/caseys-diary.html

  2178. Myrtle Beach said, on April 19, 2010 at 11:12 am

    With no signatures and no date stamp from the Clerk’s Office on the document, it would appear that, yes, someone in one of the defense attorney’s offices leaked a document. Let’s put the onus on the media for a moment.

    Is it possible that they paid someone to get their hands on it? I’d hate to think so. Why would someone risk their low paying job to sell this document to the media (only this document)?

    How would that be set-up…like deep-throat, or similar to a spy v. spy scenario? This case ain’t that colossal. Heartbreaking, yes.

    So, where I’m going with this is, as sad as it may sound, I’d have to suspect that there is a defense player behind it. The timing, another Friday, was my fisrt red flag and others soon popped up as this scenario unfolded.

  2179. amazed said, on April 19, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    I have been waiting to see when the other shoe is going to fall about this motion, and have just been reading over yonder. Excuses galore, but never a real answer to a question that I am really interested in. Did Judge Sheaffer really call Dave, or did he return a call to Dave. For the life of me, I can’t understand how this one guy has been allowed to be so deeply inserted into this case. I have said for a long time that I don’t understand the “seeming” laxness in the justice system in Florida. He would have been handed his hat with his as@@ here, and told to mind his own business. For someone who professed to be the one true advoate for Caylee, he sure has gone out of his way to ensure that that fight for justice gets mucked up. I have not posted there in well over a year because of the arrogance, but I so would like to tell him computer to computer what I think of him, EXCEPT that I don’t want him to do what he is now threatening to do to Bees Knees. Goodness, he really hates that poor woman!! Kudos to her!

  2180. LMAO!!! said, on April 19, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    talking2much you are so right!!! as far as intelligence goes joy and dave are equally matched. but I’m not sure that joy will be as big a problem for the prosecution as dave has turned out to be. both of them are a little, how shall we put it, intellectually challenged, I guess would be safe to say.

    dave is such a big empty blowhard he can’t see how this is being percieved by everyone who is just sick about losing judge strickland and how that might compromose caylee’s case. he is so dumb he just does not get it. and he is ignoring wise words of advice to shut up. so that makes us laugh even harder.

    dave has been caught in a big bunch of lies. did he say he went to lunch with strickland? well that was a lie. did he say strickland called him when he was in the hospital. well that was a lie too. for awhile he was hoping people would get the impression that he really had called him twice. so what I’m wondering is if he lied about that how many other stories has he written hoping people will believe it’s true? I bet ALL of them were lies.

    most people caught is such an embarassing situation would hang their head in shame and never want to show their face to the public again. except for people who just don’t know any better but when we look on the bright side of things it is a good day for dave’s critics. today we get to laugh at him harder than ever before and it is completely justified.and i’m thinking there will be enough of his retarded behavior to keep us laughing all week and that is a very good thing.

  2181. Myrtle Beach said, on April 19, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Well, for all the information in his law book collection and collective among his self-appointed lawyer “friends,” I would think he’d somehow have retained the phrase: “Because there are ongoing investigations, I am not going to comment.” Or just the standard “no comment” would do unless, of course, you are aiming to be on national TV. Stop the insanity!

  2182. mikka said, on April 19, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    FACT IS,Dave ruin strickland reputation!Every story have 2 sites,we will hear stricklands site! Now DAVE play the poor me victim,he owe judge strickland a sorry,the victim is the judge and NOT dave.he open his mouth without thinking!

  2183. amazed said, on April 19, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Well, he’s too busy making personal appearances to read the law!!!

  2184. Nom de plume said, on April 19, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    I am expectiong to see the perfect ending to all this chit.

    1) Judge ain’t going nowhere
    2) Defense is bitch slapped
    2) Mad dog is shut down, put out of business and handed a road map

    It could happen!

  2185. craigatwftv said, on April 19, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    BILL WILL BE BACK THIS WEEK! This is no joke, folks. And with all of the nutty stuff that has happened in the last few days, his insight will be priceless!

  2186. FRG said, on April 19, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Mr. Craig, thank you!!!! We need Mr. Sheaffer’s insight indeed.
    **********

    Refilling the Motion makes the defense looks dumber than ever. Priceless.

  2187. amazed said, on April 19, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Craig, I KNEW you were here!!! Great news, we can’t wait.

  2188. Nom de plume said, on April 19, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Craig – Thank you!

  2189. ss said, on April 19, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    Craig, Thanks for letting us know, can’t wait :lol:

  2190. BEES KNEES said, on April 19, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    EEEEEEKS! Is he going after me again? HA HA HA HA HA!!! Well, heck ~ I’m flattered but I think he has bigger problems than me to deal with at the moment, non?

    This was a comment I just read on BAB’s blog that I wanted to share with you all here:

    ~ . ~ . ~ . ~ . ~ . ~ . ~ . ~ . ~ .

    “Mr. Knechtel acted irresponsibly and rashly without thought to consequence. he got played like a violin and as stated before put his own ego & hubris before justice. When you are in a hole it is best aadvised to stop digging. Perhaps some Imodium might be in order for his diarrhea of the mouth.”

    ~ . ~ . ~ . ~ . ~ . ~ . ~ . ~ . ~ .

    I liked it because it had the diarrhea reference and we all know how much he likes jokes about bowels and lower intestinal stuff so I thought it was a nice tie-in.

  2191. BEES KNEES said, on April 19, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    I should give credit to Gracie 34 who actually made that remark on Hinky’s blog today. Have you all been to Hinkly’s today? Lots and lots of good discussion and comments there.

    http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/04/18/miscellaneous-topics-on-the-casey-anthony-case-%e2%80%93-part-10/#comments

  2192. judypc said, on April 19, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Judge has stepped down

  2193. judypc said, on April 19, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    You all will have to read Judge Stricklands statement on the papers he filed to step down.

    The Man Has NOT gone down in silence!!

  2194. Gena said, on April 19, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    Does anyone have a link to defense’s new motion filed? I can’t believe Strickland stepped down, how many times was md warned to stop inserting himself. This is tragic.

  2195. judypc said, on April 19, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    I have posted the judges response on my site, I am sure Craig will post it here soon.

  2196. Myrtle Beach said, on April 19, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Oh Bees,

    All this over a leaf from a tree? I think you are going to be a-ok because it would seem that MD and his side-kick are going to be pretty busy for a while. There are signs that they are definitely scheming. Still trying to get on national tv, I suppose. He is the most over-dramatic man I’ve ever encountered, gay or straight.

    I “Imagine” that MD’s “Instant Karma” would improve if he would just “Let It Be.”

    Please, who, what, where is BAB’s blog?

    Please, to all the talking heads on BIG TV, please do your research/homework and realize that all you have here is another nutcase with a con game living in the State of Florida. IF they do give him any air time, they’d better give equal time to Joy Wray, too (just to get things in perspective)! And as always, this is just my opinion, my personal, humble opinion.

  2197. JAT said, on April 19, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Ina, @ 8:12 It probably was not MD who did that to you, but he has probably turned all of peoples information over to SS. It is believable because of the way she has been flaunting her authority and threats lately. This woman can not survive without being the center of attention and finding that by always stirring up a problem. She may even be jealous of all the attention on MD at this point and has found something to draw back to her. Just a thought.

  2198. BEES KNEES said, on April 19, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Thanks Myrtle! Is that what he’s on about? Again? My God he’s boring!!!

    Here’s what you’re looking for:

    http://baldaintbeautiful.wordpress.com/

  2199. judypc said, on April 19, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    here are some Hi-lights from the judge.

    “ Over the past twenty months, in between media interviews, guest appearances, and press conferences, defense counsel has filed a litany of motions.
    The contents of the motions has ranged quiet broadly from a motion to Disqualify the State Attorney, to a motion to Stop law enforcement from securing and investigating a crime scene.

    To a more recent motion wherein defense counsel ask the court to “simply trust him”
    And informed the court that certain defense experts such as Henry Lee would work for oranges.
    While FEW of the defense motions have caused the court to scramble for legal treatise.

    Defense counsel has been aware of the courts “BRIEF” discussion with the blogger for many months, seems to have only recently lost confidence with the courts ability to be fair.

    On the other hand the court fears that this statement may have merely been the product of an over active imagination and tight boots,

    AT ITS CORE DEFENSE MOTION ACCUSES THE UNDERSIGNED OF BEING A “SELF-AGGRANDIZING MEDIA HOUND” –INDEED THE IRONY IS RICH!!

    MOTION GRANTED.

  2200. Scotswoman said, on April 19, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Well an honourable man had done the hounourable thing. The good Judge’s position was untenable. Regarldess of the bad faith motion, he had no choice but to recuse himself. By singling out MD, he comitted a huge faux pas.

    To remain would have led to almost certain appeal and a second trial.

    We can only wonder about the true motives behind Mason’s move. Because Im certain regardless of jury recommendation Strickland would not have imposed the DP.

    He has no influence on the replacement Judge and that is what makes this strategy seem totally personal.

    Sad day for the Justice system.

    The Anthonys should be more worried for their daughter today.

  2201. judypc said, on April 19, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    I Say it again I LIKE JUDGE STRICKLAND, and I am glad he did not go silently into the fog.
    He made his feelings known and spoke his mind,

    I hope now that team Casey gets the meanest, most hard core SOB the bench has to offer!!!

  2202. judypc said, on April 19, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Belvine Perry is the new judge

  2203. judypc said, on April 19, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    defense has filed 4 new motions.

    1- to have the DP removed.
    2- to have the DP declared unconst/
    3-DP is bias for women
    4 They do not want to disclose their wittness list

  2204. BEES KNEES said, on April 19, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    Well I really hope the next judge knows how to deal with this particular defense team.

    I notice that Strickland was succinct ~ talked for less than a minute ~ hot air goes on for over six minutes!!! I’ve been paying attention to the media and the blogs and he dances around directly answering the questions. Listen to his interview where the reporter is trying to get a clear answer and all hot air says is “kinda like that” and other vague phrases. I bet he lied about more than just the lunch. What do you think?

  2205. judypc said, on April 19, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    HELLO DEFENSE MEET YOU’RE NEW JUDGE!!!!

    Judge Tells Killer He `Forfeited Right To Live’

    August 16, 2002|By Susan Jacobson, Sentinel Staff Writer
    KISSIMMEE — As the victim’s mother sobbed with grief and relief, a judge Thursday sentenced Jermaine “Bugsy” LeBron to death in the 1995 shotgun killing of Larry Neal Oliver Jr.

    LeBron, 28, shackled and in a red-and-white striped jail uniform, stood impassively with his attorney as Chief Orange-Osceola Circuit Judge Belvin Perry Jr. declared him unfit to live.

    “Jermaine LeBron,” Perry said, “you have not only forfeited your right to dwell among us as a free man, but under the laws of the state of Florida, you have forfeited your right to live at all.”

  2206. Along for the Ride said, on April 19, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    I have the utmost respect for Judge Strickland.
    His fairness in these proceedings was truly admirable and even when I did not like his rulings, I understood his logic.
    Recusing himself is just one more example of his impeccable integrity on this slimey case, putting his own personal feelings aside for the sake of justice.
    I am so sorry to see him go.
    ….

    Marinade Dave is a despicable meglomaniac and has glitched this case up royally and brought needless stress to Judge Strickland all because of his greedy quest for fame. How he can face the public is beyond me.

    Great Job Marinade, I hope you are proud of yourself!

  2207. ThoughtElf said, on April 19, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    I’m only 3 paragraphs in on his response, and I admire Judge Strickland’s ability to wrap his evident anger in flannel.

    This entire Defense leaves me astounded on all levels.

    Craig, if you can ask Bill to include any reason why the Defense might be able to keep their witness list secret, that is a very curious aspect that would be interesting. Thanks.

  2208. Myrtle Beach said, on April 19, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Chief Judge Perry is NOT someone I would have wanted to mess with BEFORE this happened, and he certainly won’t be someone to MESS WITH now.

    Judge Strickland’s Order certainly told the proverbial bear where to go and I applaud him for it. Any seasoned defense attorney reading that document would be instinctively reaching for his (or her) athletic cup and maybe saying the Rosary simultaneously. As many Judicial Decisions, Orders, Opinions and Mandates as I’ve seen in my years, that one is a classic and I was awestruck with each sentence. I nominate JS as Man of the Year. Please write a book, sir.

    First JB crossed MD and now he’s really tempting his fate by subjecting his questionable lawyering abilities to the eye of another legal scholar who may not be so generous of spirit when it comes to tolerating unprofessional slovenliness; imprecise documents; inaccurate vernacular; fiscal improprieties; attorney-client improprieties, and so on and so on. Justice for me would be Casey given the lethal injection and JB losing his license to practice law for good.

  2209. ThoughtElf said, on April 19, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    I think I am going to print this ruling out and frame it. Nicely done, Judge Stan Strickland. Class, composure and accuracy. Love, love, love footnote 2.

    I am so sorry to this this distinguished, patient and fair Jurist off this case, but pity the Defense for their foibles. I am giving Judge Strickland a standing ovation now, if anyone cares to rise with me.

  2210. ThoughtElf said, on April 19, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    I refuse to go over ‘there’ and add to the site traffic. Any brave soul want to provide notes?

    I hope Bill includes case precedents and case law samples for new laws about blog authors in his synopsis.

  2211. judypc said, on April 19, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    ThoughtElf:

    Standing with you in ovation, His Honor truly Hi-lights the word “Honor” in his title.

  2212. Bees Knees said, on April 19, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    I can’t bring myself to go there either. What’s the point? He has now shown to the world that he’s a liar. Why would I want to read anything he says ever again. What good is a liar? Like, what use are they? Disposable.

  2213. tulpjes said, on April 19, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Well I hope MD feels like the village idiot tonight.
    Because that what he is.

    Shame on him.
    It was MD BIG ego that did it.

  2214. amazed said, on April 19, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    @ Thoughtelf

    They are stunned, shocked, besides themselves, can’t understand how this could happen to Judge Sheaffer, Dave had his site on lock down as he had to run out, came back unlocked it and relocked it. He stated he was purchasing a gun for his protection, and of course, It is NOT HIS FAULT. The women are standing at the ready with cold compresses, or whatever he needs? HIM??? look what he caused for Judge Sheaffer. To boot, on baldaintbeautiful someone posted his article on Judge Belvin. The title will just about kill you. It was another of his wicked attempts at humour that will be headlined all over the place. I don’t think he can run and hide far enough. I will try to find the exact wording of the title. The man is truly a moron.

  2215. ThoughtElf said, on April 19, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Bees,

    You have no idea how many times you’ve had me laughing the last few days. I’ve been wanting to jump in an join so often, but I told myself I wouldn’t participate in this fiasco now due to the origins. But, you got me now, after reading that and reading Judge Strickland’s excellent piece of writing, I can’t resist.

    Have you noticed that underwear aren’t disposable? Regardless, most of us decent people change ours every day, if not more than once a day. And know when to wash them out with lots of soap and hang them up to dry. There are (thankfully), only a rare few who not only wear the same dirty, old ones day in & day out, but they just keeping adding more crap to them because they genuinely like to sit in a big, stinky mess and squirm around in it.

    You know that old trick when you have to speak publicly, it helps to imagine the audience all in their underwear? Well, there ya go. Let’s all try that next time we watch a hearing. ;->

  2216. ThoughtElf said, on April 19, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    Belvin is Chief Justice for 9th Circuit right now. Voted position. 2nd term. I doubt he’d mess with impropriety.

    http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/press_details.asp?id=152

    I also love this quote from him that was included in the decision footnotes when they changed FL Criminal Law in regards to minimum standards for DP cases in 1999:
    http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=fl&vol=alpha9910%5Cwk5%5Camendment_fl_rules_90635&invol=1

    There is at present no requirement that two counsel be afforded to defendants facing the imposition of the death penalty. Public Defenders who appeared before the commission and the Capital Collateral Crimes Representative who addressed the commission all explained that the complex nature of the sentencing phase of a death penalty case made appointment of two counsel, one to handle the guilt phase and one to handle sentencing, a matter of effective representation of the defendant. The Deputy Attorney General also indicated that a two-lawyer requirement was appropriate and would be in the state’s interest. Judge Belvin Perry, commission member and Chief Judge of the Ninth Judicial Circuit, told the commission that not all cases required two counsel, although most of the testimony indicated that if a case were going to trial, two counsel were essential.

    As well, Belvin ruled not to long ago that a DP killer was not mentally disabled and could be executed.
    http://dailyme.com/story/2010040500003037/death-row-debate-killer-found-mentally-disabled-.html

  2217. amazed said, on April 19, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    Astounding. SS just commented that everything is fine, she spoke with Dave. She says they will all see sunshine in the coming days with the trial, that the defense has committed suicide by having Sheaffer step down. All this said as if she just got word from a behind the scenes meeting Dave had with someone in on the case. Do they still not get improper remarks? They are like the woman in the commercial who fell and can’t get up, only the can’t shut up!!! They have to make it appear that they (her & Dave) have a hot line to the courtroom. The need for adoration is unreal.

  2218. judypc said, on April 19, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    Seems Judge Perry wants the lawyers to BE Prepared, BE educated, BE brief, he is not one for a lot of chatter, not one for allowing the lawyers to pose for the cameras, has NO patience for sloppiness, NO patience for frivolous waste of the courts time, and has NO problem leaving the courtroom with the azz of someone’s britches between his teeth.

    So, all I can say is HAVE AT IT JUDGE PERRY, WELCOME TO THE CIRCUS!!
    HAVE FUN!!! GRRRRRRRR

  2219. silverbullit said, on April 19, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Standing with everyone for an ovation of Judge Strickland!

    Also loved his response motion. I hope the new judge is as by the book as he sounds.

  2220. Muesli said, on April 19, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    Amazed, the title of the blog was: “Judge Belvin Perry, Jr. – little black boy”

  2221. Muesli said, on April 19, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Can you imagine using that as a title? How disrespectful. No class.

  2222. Muesli said, on April 19, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    Can you imagine using that as a title? How disrespectful. No class. We can only hope that The Honorable Judge Perry bans this idiot from his courtroom.

  2223. Muesli said, on April 19, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    oops, sorry

  2224. ThoughtElf said, on April 19, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    Link to that article is in my post: ThoughtElf said, on April 16, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    Judy, I think Judge Perry will do an excellent job. When your fellow jurists vote for you as Chief Justice, that says much about his character. Everything we’re reading looks like this will indeed bite the Defense in their britches.

  2225. judypc said, on April 19, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    Wouldn’t it be a hoot if the very first thing he does in court is issue a gag order telling defense to STHU and if he hears so much as a BURP on TV by any of them he will have their ya-ya’s under his gavel..

    WHAT EVER WOULD DEFENSE DO IF THEY COULD NOT MUG FOR THE CAMERAS?

  2226. ThoughtElf said, on April 19, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Watch Belvin Perry in action, when Casey was indicted. A friend found this link on another site and sent it along:

    http://www.wftv.com/video/17714433/index.html

    Perry seems very decisive.

  2227. Bees Knees said, on April 19, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    ThoughtElf, we’ll try that trick at the next hearing for sure. Oh, what sights we’ll see. AAAARRRGGGHHH!!! MY EYES!!! I’ll have to kind of squint my eyes at first while I’m first conjuring up the image of that sad bunch in their underwear.

    amazed, they are so stupid and so out of touch with reality they MUST be related to the Anthonys. The similarities are stunning. Open big mouth, insert two big feet. They have no idea how hated they are now. If they think this will ever put them in a better light they are deluding themselves. I think it is scary that they are so out of touch with reality. And now we hear he’s bought a gun? Great! And he’s the maniac with my address all over a stupid LEAF he sent me and can’t seem to shut up about? Sad old fool! He’s going to stroke out if he doesn’t calm down and ask his shrink for some calm pills.

  2228. Bees Knees said, on April 19, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    And I hope I never have the displeasure of looking at his droopy walrus face again. It was almost unbearable watching him salivate all over the wftv interview. God, I hope they keep him out of the courtroom. I think we all need to send our emails to the Ninth District begging them to ban him from any further prodeedings. God knows how badly he might f*ck up next time. He doesn’t seem to have any common sense. Maybe he’ll bring his gun to court in case anybody dares to question his honesty. We should include that in our message to the Ninth District. The guys a ticking time bomb.

  2229. Nom de plume said, on April 19, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    Standing, ovating and wishing Judge Strickland a fond farewell. I wish good luck to the new judge with this crew. Hopefully, it will be the defense that needs luck.

  2230. Barbeque said, on April 19, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Amazed, for Christ’s sake if you are going to comment about this at least get the names in order. It is Judge Strickland, NOT Judge Sheaffer.

  2231. silverbullit said, on April 19, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Gosh…between the Anthony’s, the MDs and the Cummings family, I’m getting embarrassed to live in Florida!

  2232. BEES KNEES said, on April 19, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    Muesli, actually I CAN imagine him using that title. He’s as dumb as a box of hair.

    But never mind him. Here’s Bill Sheaffer making us all feel nice and warm and happy again.

    http://www.wftv.com/video/23200720/index.html

  2233. BEES KNEES said, on April 19, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    I know Silver! Right? Is the drinking water contaminated?

  2234. Barbeque said, on April 19, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Bees,

    The only thing that put a smile on my face today was listening to Bill Sheaffer. Granted, he I am sure guarded his words since he practices in Orlando and will likely have cases before Judge Strickland and Perry in the future. While this is a disappointment for many of us, the manner in which it happened has me so angry I could spit nails. I won’t resort to anymore name calling but to say that the culprit who precipitated this fiasco is probably doing the Happy Dance with his Confidant. Sadly for said Confidant, she never got the chance at a peek under the Honorable Judge Strickland’s robe. How utterly crass but thoroughly expected from one with no class.

  2235. sassy said, on April 19, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    From WFTV.com

    “MD shot back over the weekend, accusing the defense of wasting taxpayer money to find him rather than to find Caylee’s alleged nanny, Zenaida Gonzalez. ”

    here is how hard they looked for him, at his business card.

    http://www.wftv.com/video/22343252/index.html

    At 7:28

  2236. judypc said, on April 19, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    for any that have not seen this Kathy B interview it is really a must see.

    http://www.wftv.com/video/23175347/

  2237. judypc said, on April 19, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    pt 2
    http://www.wftv.com/video/23177092/

  2238. Barbeque said, on April 19, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    judypc,

    Great segue. Excellent work by Kathy B. I watched that quietly last night and found that Kathy did a great job of getting what she wanted from this interview. In the end I found this woman to be quite credible and as horrific as her crime was, I felt badly for her and had empathy for her as well. I looked for the negative things that some were saying about Maya, ie her speech patterns etc and really didn’t see what others seemed to. I would rather see Kathy do this type of work than chasing Baez down the street.

  2239. angel said, on April 19, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    Oh… his 15 minutes began & ended on JVM already. The newspaper stories are already old news. Was it worth it, to brag about Strickland’s ‘supposed friendship’ with you on your blog ad naseum. You’ll go down as the most hateful…and hated blogger in history.

    Now do you get what your critics said when they told you not to insert yourself in this case, huh???

    Not even a mention on Nancy Grace, loser! Heard there’s a new video in your honor on YOUTUBE titled AS-HOLE…that’s what you’ll be remembered as.

    One more thing: DID THE JUDGE CALL YOU OR WAS HE KICKED OFF THE TRIAL IN PART BECAUSE YOU LIED ABOUT THE JUDGE CALLING YOU…YES OR NO?? Seems like you’re giving us the run around on that particular question…WELL??

  2240. judypc said, on April 19, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Barbeque:

    I have to say I was very impressed by how this girl came across, nothing at all what I expected.
    And yes, I think this was Kathy’s best work, very good interview, very good questions, she was on top of her game on this.

    I can see this girl on the stand and very much believed.

  2241. angel said, on April 19, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    Marinade Dave’s MindBlogging

    “Judge Belvin Perry, Jr. – little black boy”

    March 3, 2006 · 20 Comments
    (Don’t let the title fool you)
    __________________

    I googled Judge Belvin Perry & what popped up but the above by none other than…. Look I don’t care what the contents of the article says…but did he really name this article that title??

    Really…that desperate to catch the eye of the reader that you’d stoop this low??

  2242. amy said, on April 19, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    MD made it really easy for the defense to INVESTIGATE HIM.

    business card picture

    http://i44.tinypic.com/msegz5.jpg

  2243. Ina said, on April 20, 2010 at 12:19 am

    http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2010/0419/23199242.pdf So the Judge is replaced with the judge whom MD called little black boy? And this is all real? It is so strange! Am I allowed to laugh a little?

  2244. NosyParker said, on April 20, 2010 at 12:43 am

    Yes Ina. Even the Noisy Barker is laughing with you (not really) or at the very least I’m appalled by the outcome of this debacle. “It is so strange” is an understatement. Little black boy indeed!

    The defense should be careful what they wish for and in Baez’s own infamous words Marinade Dave should zip it!!!

  2245. JAT said, on April 20, 2010 at 1:28 am

    Totally deplorable SS calling judge Strickland “stan” with no respect for how this honorable and respected man feels right now. Still trying to be a big funny with her peek under his robe. What enticement will she offer the new judge? MD knows him so the door is open to her already. Just have to know somebody important, she got it made. Lucky SS and crew

  2246. Ina said, on April 20, 2010 at 1:59 am

    LOL Jat, i think the judge might be judge because of MD! So he claims. Now how about that…

    Now I read this statement of Judge Strickland where he says what happened and why he resigns, if that is the right word. He mentions a compliment he made to MD in the court house, but no phonecall or anything else. Was it just one lousy compliment??

    The rest MD claimed, was that not true then?

  2247. JAT said, on April 20, 2010 at 3:44 am

    I don’t know Ina about all he claimed. I see tonight is that old fashioned American citrizens are not allowed to opinion on his blog. The over border sacks jump all over anybody that tries to say a word. He lives off American taxpayers hard earned monies and then has his nasty cats abuse the hell out of us. Abuse is abuse! They say he is set up with a gun.

  2248. Ina said, on April 20, 2010 at 4:00 am

    Wil he need police protection??

  2249. JAT said, on April 20, 2010 at 4:28 am

    He never looked scared on the news interviews was on video. Maybe he will go to Canada and hides under the Canucks skirts since he does not like American underwears. Looks like
    he has sold his soul to hipocrites. The LE should ask him to take a lie detector about the
    judges phone calls. It would be right to, because a judge is involved and been put off his seat in the case. The truth should be esposed.

  2250. Ina said, on April 20, 2010 at 5:13 am

    Yes I think so too, JAT. This was not a bad Judge, just a bad judge of character perhaps, I don’t know. And what will this mean for his election, his career? I think he should get a chance to prove he is not biased. I suppose the next Judge Belvin Perry won’t tolerate any petting on the shoulder and such anymore.

    Now will this case get a different shape with this new judge? I read he is faster? Will this mean the trial date of May 9 2011 may be changed?

  2251. RS said, on April 20, 2010 at 5:55 am

    Maybe now there will be some respect for Caylee.

    IMO, what we have seen is the funneling in of what should otherwise be a serious motion with a significant error, and digs directed at a judge.

    The judge responds in kind with his footnotes, though entertaining, disrespects the seriousness of the circumstance before him by their inclusion, other spiteful dialogue, and tries to excuse his behavior with a hollow claim of venue change research.

    I am glad Judge Strickland stepped down after reading his response dialogue in granting the motion.

  2252. lori said, on April 20, 2010 at 6:53 am

    rs,you are kidding,have you ever watch the clown team,i think NOT!!! leave judge strickland alone!

  2253. RS said, on April 20, 2010 at 6:59 am

    lori,

    A judge stepping down is no kidding matter….

    Have you seen the news yesterday, or today, the judge had to step down…

    That is no joke, and I am not kidding.

    i am adult enough to set aside my personal feelings on the defense actions/content choices made, and take a look only at the Judge’s included content, and his excuse making for his own behavior.

  2254. Snowy said, on April 20, 2010 at 7:33 am

    If MD really was blind-sided by the filing of this motion and yet knew he had been less than truthful about any personal phone calls from J Strictland – would he without good reason continue to spread those mistruths over the airways? Between the time the motion had been filed and the first scheduled media interview – he had a choice. It seems he made no attempt to shield J Strictland’s reputation. A very good friend indeed. JMO

  2255. Along for the Ride said, on April 20, 2010 at 7:33 am

    I don’t think the Judge’s ‘claim’ to be checking out the blogosphere to assess the local climate for change of venue was ‘hollow’ at all. It makes sense to me; he was checking the ‘pulse’ of Orlando on the internet. Where better than the local blogs?
    Now if he did call MD to check on his health, I guess he should have known that is not allowed.
    To be honest, I really didn’t expect this motion to be granted; though now that it has been explained to me, I understand its logic. :(
    I can’t believe the audacity of these bloggers, trying to make light of such a serious blunder. I don’t find this funny at all! A Judge’s reputation is paramount and MD has smirched Judge Strickland.
    Even if we ‘obsessed’ bloggers know better; the general public might not and who wants headlines like this?
    Marinade Dave PURPOSELY skated around the questions posed of him by the media all weekend, acting like an aw shucks schoolboy and playing coy, hoping to stir up interest and intrigue and garner the limelight! Shameful!
    Now his ‘right hand’ SS has put up a blog with a photochop of the Judge calling her darling and SOLICITING her advice??? An old lady involved with the judge’s recusal writes a public love letter to the judge? It is INSANITY!!!
    Judge Strickland must be furious with her continuing idiocy and interference!
    Are they not grasping the fact the Judge was recused due to the possible perception that he would be swayed by bloggers?
    Have they not finished damaging Strickland’s rep with yet more ridiculous innuendo?
    Enough!
    I’ve read the accusations that team MD is being funded by the defense and dismissed them as nonsense but honestly..they might as well be with all this BS!
    Please, somebody get them to cease and desist! I hate to quote Baez but “ZIP IT!” :D
    Bill, I loved your video summary. You’ve bent over backwards to be kind to MD once again; you are a very classy guy. IMO, He doesn’t deserve it! :)

  2256. RS said, on April 20, 2010 at 7:42 am

    WFTV footage of the interview with the, pardon me, POS, says it all..

    As serious as the subject is, that Marmalade guy has to throw in some dialogue implying a sexuality issue needs to be clarified…

    Said the judge is married….

    Prior, when pulling the creepy stunt of placing the name of a blogger under a sex offender, he next did an article with IMO bigoted remarks about a sexuality issue were included..

    Need we see in video, WFTV captured, or read anymore where sex, sexuality, is put into it when it has no basis to be there in the first place, to IMO know something is just not right with that guy?

  2257. Snowy said, on April 20, 2010 at 7:55 am

    Along for the Ride: Bill, I loved your video summary. You’ve bent over backwards to be kind to MD once again; you are a very classy guy. IMO, He doesn’t deserve it! :)

    ********

    I have to agree. Though I think his remarks about MD naive.

  2258. Along for the Ride said, on April 20, 2010 at 8:02 am

    Yes RS, they insert lame sexual innuendo in ghastly inappropriate moments and the venom of their nasty, bilious commentary really illustrates this guy (and his crew) are totally twisted!
    If only Craig had just followed their advice as to how to run a blog properly, he could be in MD’s predicament right now! ;)

  2259. RS said, on April 20, 2010 at 8:11 am

    along,

    Something tells me Craig is thrilled he is way above the fray of blog Vs. Judge…LOL

  2260. sassy said, on April 20, 2010 at 8:16 am

    can anyone explain to me what this md has on the murder trial to think he is in on this case. who will put him on the stand and for what?

  2261. BEES KNEES said, on April 20, 2010 at 8:20 am

    That was a good find, Judy. I agree, I find her very believable. THX! And Kathi is great, as usual ~ I would agree with you, she’s really at her best in this format rather than on the street, in your face . . . although she’s done a few great ones there, too! She’s a REAL journalist/reporter and she has a lot of fans. She asks the questions that WE would ask and she usually doesn’t get brushed off easily. I can’t bear listening to the questions and comments people are asking about on the JVM and NG. Stale. Nobody ever follows up with the tough questions.

  2262. amazed said, on April 20, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Good Morning all,

    And a special sunny good morning to you *** barbeque***. I made a mistake in typing, obviously, I have been posting here for a very long time, and obviously it is apparent to everyone BUT you, that it was just an error that was not proofread, so EXCUSSSSSSSSE me for having upset you so. Anything else I am doing that annoys you, please let me know.

  2263. judypc said, on April 20, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Along for the Ride:

    I also do not have a hard time believing Judge Strickland was doing just that taking the temp of the people, not just “trusting” the lawyers.

    Also, it would IMO have been logical for him to have checked MD’s site, because wasn’t it around that time he had a write up in the news paper on some award he had won?

    His Honor prob thought if he was going to a classy place, with a real writer.

    And, I will say this, in the begining at first glance I thought MD’s was a fair and open place, it however did not take me very many reads to figure out there was a darker side, and it was not as innocent as it seemed.

    I dare say if you ask any of my bloggers if they are allowed to voice their opinions, point out to me where I am in error, or just plain say JUDY!! thats wrong…
    They would all tell you “oh yeah, we can do that, and boy she screws up ALOT!!”

    And they know they will not be punished, deleted, blocked, have their names and such posted,none of that, the only thing they know is rule one is RESPECT each other, you can debate, but not bash.

    I have never had a problem with my bloggers since day one, not one time have I been as a host had to so much as delete a post, unless it was one of mine, and then I inform them, “I took that down because, I was wrong”

    Like here when you see the base group of bloggers, you see the ability to converse with on another, Yes Craig has had to spank some of us, me included, but theres a spanking, and then theres acting like “THE KING”

  2264. judypc said, on April 20, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Judge Strickland did what he had to do, there was no way he could have remained on the case without there being a shadow on his every verdict.

    Defense would have used this weapon to beat him to death every time he dared go against them.

    For the good of the case, he had to step aside, there will always be a bit of a bitter taste left, because like it or not his ethics were called into question over something IMO that was uncalled for and very stupid.

    While a part of me thinks okay, its over let the dust settle, the writer in me would like to see at least one reporter take up the story and give more than the splashy headlines.

    And expose the fact that MD’s site was in fact more in favor of the defense, the Casey Must Die post spoken of and used in defenses motion was in fact a statement AGAINST the DP, and the thought by its writer that Casey could not get a fair trial.

    Yet, not once has anyone reflected those facts in their reports, and it leaves the overall public with the thought the judge had formed opinions of her would be verdict at this early stage.

    The JVM & Nancy G shows have become comic relief in their attempts at grabbing the splash, and giving the greasy bomb shells without the follow up.
    And if anyone dares attempt give real info they are damn skippy shut down.

    Honestly think it is time Floridans start contacting them and pointing out as Paul Harvey always said “The rest of the story”

  2265. amazed said, on April 20, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Since we all know that SS reads here, even though she claims to have had herself banned from commenting, I would like to ask her what the devil she thought she was doing with that ridiculous love letter to “Stan” Strickland. Does she not think that the poor man has been through enough because of Daves over innflated ego? Does she have to make a horrible situation even worse? That entire core group over there are true believers that they and ONLY they know anything about this case. They actually believe that vicariously, through Dave, they KNOW George and Cindy, Judge Strickland, Bill Sheaffer, Jose Baez, et al. Snoopy you continue to promote the lies Dave writes, When it is outed as a lie, it immediately becomes a joke, even though it was written in the hopes it would be believed. Ergo the lunch debacle. Most people read it and read it the way MD wanted them to read it, as if he had lunch with all those people. Look what that perpetrated. He continues his foul mouthed ranting, and Snoopy, you continue your blatant attempts to sex up the Judge. He still has a career and work to do, leave the poor man alone, all of you. I am sure the last people he wants to hear from are you and Dave. You are both lucky he has more class than you both do.

  2266. kate said, on April 20, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Have pondered what moment in time would forever seal the fateful outcome of this case.

    To ALL My Blog Brethren:

    Darkness has befallen another day in Justice, nothing but sheer politics have evolved into antics that are fitting of a crying bully that lost a school yard fight!

    Yesterdays outcome is now written, so let it be done. What appears that of a strategic victory reads like a vortex of Greek tragedy.

    The pen is mightier than the sword, Judge Strickland indeed professed the irony.
    Timing is not of the essence, conversely the jealous mistress!

    The moment in time arrived, veiled as two ministers of Hades, by your own words have sealed the fateful day.

  2267. BEES KNEES said, on April 20, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Along, you’re right. It is staggering!

    Amazed, very well-said! I believe they are so puffed up with themselves they seriously don’t get it. They don’t get that this is something that will hang over Strickland’s head forever. It’s on his record and cannot be erased. You would hope that a little dignity and respect could be afforded right now. Just sit down and shut up, but oh no! Not a chance. And every time they make a joke and treat it lightly they are adding even more shame to the situation. No common sense. No tact. No respect. It’s all about them! I’m actually cringing for them. GAH!

  2268. BEES KNEES said, on April 20, 2010 at 10:45 am

    I really think they just don’t know. They don’t get it. Because if they DID KNOW they wouldn’t still be doing it, right?

  2269. amazed said, on April 20, 2010 at 11:07 am

    I am sure you are right Bees, no amount of sommonsense will ever get through the wall of egotisim and entitlement over there. THEY have the best blog, THEY have the inside track,They and only THEY have the facts correct. It goes on and on adnauseum. Even the mere fact that only praise and accolades are allowed to be posted about MD speaks volumes of the character of all of them. This constant need to comfort and stroke Mr. Knechel is mind boggling , and it goes on over and over and over. Poor Dave poor SS, but no mention of what Dave did to Sirjeff, by labeling him a RSO, and by what now, sadly will be a footnote forever in the career of the poor Judge. Instead of humbly taking the compliment extended to him, he had to post verbatim his conversation with him, put up an ode to himself written of course by another of his deciplels, and allow SS to make sexual inuendos about a sitting Judge he supposedly respects. That does not sound respectful to me.

  2270. FRG said, on April 20, 2010 at 11:15 am

    This was all ” defense’s distraction tactics”. Defense wants us to deflect the attention to the jail letters written by Muffin “KC”!!!! The letters are pretty damning to them.

    *********************************
    Was Conway involved in this? I am sure they all were
    Written on 20 April 2010 at 01:00 by humbleopinion

    http://humbleopinionforum.net/2010/04/20/was-conway-involved-in-this-i-think-so/
    *********************************
    Casey Anthony: Letters Could Be Her Demise, Says Ex-Prosecutor Robin Sax
    April 20, 2010 6:30 AM
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20002772-504083.html

    Snip:
    “We can expect that defense attorney Jose Baez and his team will try to discredit the letters and jailhouse talk as not reliable information (i.e. obtained from snitches who simply wanted a better deal in their own cases). But how many bullets can Baez dodge? How many coinky-dinks can he possibly claim? How many other people can he point fingers at? Ladies and Gentleman, I believe the People rest and can prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. Mark my words! “

  2271. BEES KNEES said, on April 20, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Someone told me karma-face was going to publish my name and address. Big deal! You’re nobody until he prints your personal information. I guess that’s how you know you’ve really “arrived” ~ like some strange rite of passage. HA HA HA!!! I know the truth must be horrible and it must suck to be him.

  2272. sassy said, on April 20, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    funny how they are so poor, but still so rich in ego. they try hard to make others feel sorry for them, then in return bash them. if the judge had really read that piece of work blog, he would have seen the true blue them come out. they trash all and others that have blogs because their jealousy takes them over.
    dk says any blogger would have talked to the defense team, how sick he is to state this about others. i don’t believe others would, unless they want their name in lights and the cameras rolling. exactly what he wanted.
    i am still wonder why he says he’s involved. i assume since no one answered me he has no information on the murder of caylee.

  2273. BEES KNEES said, on April 20, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    They are being completely disrespectful. They KNOW the right thing to do, they aren’t children ~ but this obsessive need to be a part of the case ~ actually conducting interviews etc. It’s tragic. If he had any class he would write the judge a long apology (and NOT post it on his blog!!!!) If he just had to tell somebody he could call up a couple friends surely? Just do it and try not to boast about it for God’s sake!

    You know what I loved? Was when he and his staunch supporters said, “Any other blogger would have done the same thing. HA HA HA!!! Did you see how many really good blogs and commentors all quickly said, “Ummmmm, actually, no. No we wouldn’t. Speak for yourself.” Funny.

  2274. RS said, on April 20, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    Add me as another who would not have spoken to a defense PI showing up at my door…

    I would have said i have no comment…

  2275. BEES KNEES said, on April 20, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    “This was all ” defense’s distraction tactics”. Defense wants us to deflect the attention to the jail letters written by Muffin “KC”!!!! The letters are pretty damning to them.”

    Is that right, FRG? Well we better keep talking about them then. Make sure they realize we are still paying attention.

  2276. BEES KNEES said, on April 20, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Sassy, exactly! It was hilarious ~ every blog I went on yeserday was saying the same thing in response to him saying any blogger would have done the same thing. Did you see how many blog moderators quickly spoke up and said, “NO. In fact, I wouldn’t have.”

  2277. amazed said, on April 20, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    I am wondering if the defense team, already knowing that MD has written about Judge Perry will try to now use that information also. The article was not a derogatory one, however, the title was horrendous, but so in the style of MD. Anything to capture attention and shock.

    I would like to see, as someone wrote earlier, a reporter take this and run with it. Investigate his site, read the trash from his mouth, the RSO incident, the constant threats by both him and SS to give out peoples information , the run for the Orbie, ( the multi repetitive voting from various e-mails by the same followers) the trashing of this site when it first opened, his calling Craig a sexual pervert, and the self adulation. I only wish that the Judge had actually read his comments before he made his decision to congratulate him on his “niceness” Not a word one can really use to describe him, imo.

  2278. FRG said, on April 20, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    BEES KNEES said at 12:22 pm

    Those are not my words but Silver’s words, she is a lawyer, I think Silver is a she, I don’t know but she is really good. LOL
    Anyway, yes we should talk about them. AL’s students will be reading the blogs and we need to make sure we know how damaging they are to them, it proves state of mind. Muffin can’t shut up, can she??? Just like Rosebud. The apple never falls far from the tree. LOL
    Have a great day everybody!!!!

  2279. Snowy said, on April 20, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Bees – I wouldn’t worry so much about your personal information being out there – unless of course strangers start showing up at your doorstep asking for some lunch. :-)

    ********

    FRG – Maybe in light of things MD might take it down?

  2280. judypc said, on April 20, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    BEES KNEES:

    Most of us as blog owners carry a sense of responsibility, I have both private & open blogs on a variety of subject matters.

    You owe you’re readers and posters a place of both safety and integrity, you have been on my private site, so you know how the post there may differ in what is posted on an open public site, if you recall a month or so back I thought I had stumbled onto quiet the bombshell, but we kept it within our house while we searched for the facts, once it was discovered no to be factual we took down all post in regard to it and that info was never leaked in a public format.

    We have had some very good sources there as well, and was often given info far ahead of any media outlet, but that info was as well kept in house, we did however tip Kathy B a couple of times and allowed her to have a run with the info.

    I have to say, for them to say all blog owners would have reacted as they did is an insult to the rest of us that try to be responsible, and endeavor to hold ourselves to some standard of moral code and accountability for what we put out into the cyber world, one must realize that once printed onto the cyber boards it is there floating around somewhere forever.

    Twenty years from now if someone bings or googles, His Honors name care to guess what will pop up?
    And that is the saddest element of this latest muddle created.
    In the end what will the tally be of persons forever shadowed by the smear tactics and just plain stupidity of those that wanted to feel larger than they in fact were?

  2281. Myrtle Beach said, on April 20, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    Judge Strickland’s first sentence in his last Order “An innocent is dead…” will forever remind me that this is about Caylee and only Caylee. I don’t want to further distract from the murder of baby Caylee – no person should be afforded that much importance. Also, I don’t want to fall from the precarious path along the High Road and lose my privilege to comment here by stooping to the lowest possible place (under the snake’s belly) by leveling my ugly thoughts at the blow-hard who was so pivotal in bringing about the recusal of the Judge in this case, so let me say this about that: Yesterday’s news is now old. Line the birdcage with yesterday’s paper because that is what happens when you crap on someone – sooner or later you’ll be the “Crapee” and may I live long enough to know about it.

    Let’s move forward and concentrate on the facts that Caylee has been murdered and the last person to see her alive is sitting in jail. Any other person, place or thing, no matter how despicable, deserves no importance, such that it could or would detract from exacting the justice Caylee so rightfully deserves. We can control a good deal of that fellow commenters, and that we will be just by ignoring (not overlooking, not dismissing) any and all of the silly, outrageous, egotistical, harebrained, schemers who seek to gain something for themselves in the resolution of this crime.

  2282. LNY said, on April 20, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Well, I think the Judge did a superb job in eloquently telling the defense just what he thinks of them. How many judges would like to to that, but never have the opportunity. I think Judge S. will be just fine. The legal community and his fellow judges know it was bs gandstanding by a defense that HAS NO DEFENSE of a child murderer.

  2283. amazed said, on April 20, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Myrtle Beach, I know you are right, we really should just sit back and watch the man self destruct, and do as mentioned above, tear through those letters Casey wrote, the defense obviously ants them to disappear from the minds of everyone..

    I do however have to say that you would not believe the newest article over “there.” I do believe he has gone over the edge, jumped the shark, fallen off the cliff, lost his marbles or all of the above. I did enjoy reading it though> It’s called Dear Miss Muffin, and it IS funny!! Still it will open up all sorts of opportunities for the defense. He just doesn’t get it. What a friggin hair trigger temper the man has. No wonder no one ever married him!!

    BBL I have to go read it one more time, I am LMAS.

    Hang in there LNY

  2284. LNY said, on April 20, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Hey Amazed, I always hang in there. Life goes on. And so does this freakin’ murder case…Another year of this, and that is IF it gets to court in May’11.

  2285. Myrtle Beach said, on April 20, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Oh (sigh) Amazed, I just can’t bring myself to go that route, I couldn’t trust my own snarkiness. And I’d risk my place along the High Road if I shared the impression I immediately formed when you said “it is funny,” because I’d probably see it as an attempt to one-up all the accolades posted about the Judge’s writing. I could be wrong…but my Ma said there ain’t no high roads through a swamp.

  2286. judypc said, on April 20, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    amazed:
    IMO defense has fired the only shot they had in their gun where a blog will have any effect.

    I dare say NO one will so much as tip their hat to a blogger at that court house after this mess.

    Hell, the judge & Lamar might have any blogger there that would dare speak to them hauled away lol.
    Can’t say I would blame them.

    Defense will now have a hard time pulling any tricks out of their little bag’s, while it may go unsaid, I would bet what took place yesterday in that courthouse left a bad taste in every setting judges mouth.
    Don’t think team Casey is on any ones good-will list today.

    They stepped in a big stinky pile on this very bad move and its gonna take some time for the smell to fade.
    Any advantage they may have hoped for, I think flew out the window, and its now dawning on them, they opened their mouth and stuck both feet in.

    They prob had that “OH S–T moment” about 5 minutes after the Judge handed in his motion, and they had to slink off out the back door of the courthouse.

  2287. amazed said, on April 20, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    Right you are Myrtle, but as much as he turns me off, this was funny. I don’t comment there, haven’t for ages, but seeing Casey’s face on a “get out of jail free” monoply card cracked me up. Still I see it as two things, as you said, a chance to show off his clever writing after hearing the glowing comments on Judge Stricklands motion, I totally agree with you, or he intentionally wants to give the defense something to either use, (working with them), or he wants them to object to this, thereby keeping him in the news longer. I kinda think it is # 3.

  2288. Myrtle Beach said, on April 20, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    “… the little pouter who has to have the last word…” sorry, but I find it all too distasteful. But, pluheeze, you great minds and mouths (lol) keep me apprised – I love to read what everyone has to say. Most of you say it before I can anyway – which is great.

  2289. Along for the Ride said, on April 20, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    I’d avoid using the word laughing stock if i’d just been handed my @ss on the front page of every Orlando news outlet; but hey, that’s just my hormonal make up.
    Funny how giddy the atmosphere over there is..not a drop of remorse or apology for dragging a good man’s name through the mud.
    But it would take courage and integrity to accept responsibility for a blunder of this magnitude and those attributes are strangers to the blogger seeking notoriety.
    Funny how that gangland ‘jailbird’ kid, Maya seemed to grasp the importance of ‘coming clean’ and ‘owning’ her horrible misdeeds (and accepting the resulting punishment) while a grown man has yet to learn the first thing about humility or honor. Hilarity camoflages his vengeful blog and a roster of phony identities sweep his sordid and greedy sins under the proverbial rug.
    How stupid does he think we are?

  2290. Barbeque said, on April 20, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    snoopysleuth // April 20, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    <eastcoastdeb~~ Was this coward, one word really necessary? I am really disappointed. I always thought Maritimers were compassionate folks and did not cast judgement on others. It seems that you have changed but it is not too late to go back to the nice person that you used to be. Think about it. I called you ‘friend’ and would like to go back to doing that. Snoop
    *************

    For Snoopy,
    The lips of an immoral woman drip honey, and her mouth is smoother than oil. But in the end she is bitter as wormwood Prov 5.3-4a

    Can I have an Amen?

  2291. OTTS said, on April 20, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    You are right @3:58. Not a word for the judge on MD today. His first thought is
    himself as always and the cackling “triple butted ducks” have no feeling for the impact on judge Strickland. I think some may be right, this was a setup by MD to get himself out there. is it true he called a station today and someone called him a nut. where can we hear this? The impact i am left with is his turncoat, which shows his true character.
    He does not need to go to such childish writing to protect himself. He says he is threatened, well DUH! Did he really buy a gun? BS! He has fallen into the pool
    of stink, he never writes about Caylee, only him and his big events. Don’t get two high and mighty MR Dave. there still is a God and he still owns even Casey murderer or not, God will not allow you to take his place for the outcome of even her life. Just keep testing Him and he can find themself in a place not so fun with his smart mouth, he is walking down the wrong lane. His ?friends are there to encourage but “real friends” are not allowed. His first write certainly should have been an apology and something uplifting for judge Strickland. The only thing coming for judge Strickland is mockery and taunting from SS. I hope his wife writes her a comment and shoves her big hat in her mouth. She won’t because ladies know how to behave. Sorry judge Strickland, but you deserve better than what has happened to you and then those two make light of it all making a joke out of all of it praising him for a childish comeback is sickening. Bill Sheaffer, you must believe in letting someone keep on until they hang themselves. is that what is going on. NMTS

  2292. Bees Knees said, on April 20, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Here’s a good one from Blink’s:

    Mariann says:

    WOW! I never read on MD’s blog but I just did. What an arrogant self-centered man he turned out to be! He is acting like a child with a bad attitude. He had a lapse in judgement. He is mad at himself and embarrased but instead of beating himself up, he is beating up women. I totally have not one ounce of respect for this man. His integrety has been shot to shit now. Good job Dave!

    By the way- nice picture Dave. You can’t have it both ways. I thought you would have known that.

  2293. Bees Knees said, on April 20, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Bees – I wouldn’t worry so much about your personal information being out there – unless of course strangers start showing up at your doorstep asking for some lunch.

    ~ . ~ . ~ . ~ . ~ . ~ . ~ . ~ . ~ . ~ . ~ . ~ .

    Exactly, Snowy! Ha ha ha ha ha . . .

  2294. nom de plume said, on April 20, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Otts – about the radio show – it is a local talk radio show, the poster just heard the middle of it, so not sure if he called in or they called him. They said after the interview was over, one interviewer told the other one that he sounded like a nut. That particular show has a reputation for calling people in the news to rag on them.

  2295. LNY said, on April 20, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    I’ve been banned.

  2296. Kalalilly said, on April 20, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    BBQ: AMEN!

    (that woman has balls!!!-big surprise)

  2297. OTTS said, on April 20, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Thanks nom, A friend in Orlando thinks Md has always been an Anthony hater but thought it cool to keep the ragging going on between the two sided blogs. This whole nut case is popularity pull, now he is coming out as the Casey hater, ( notice she is taking all the heat for what has happened,) and is saying that the whole startling turn of events is to benefit the prosecution. Baez walked into a trap set up against the defense so the judge Perry can take the position and come down hard. Baez knew MD was an Anthony hater that’s why he would not turn his head to acknowledge MD all along. The whole blogging public has been scammed by MD. I am told to watch the following he is going to get now that he has come out. Everyone who has voiced against him will be kissing his azz and that is what he aimed for. IMO this thinking may be right, MD can not turn back and claim no Anthony bashing now. It was interesting to have varied opinions like trial on paper. This may play out, but If MD tampers with Cheney Mason and Judge Perry he may find they are not so gullible to his approach. Personally he can have his say, but how he speaks of women should be considered harrassment and threatening. Freedom Of The Press? Thanks again

  2298. Barbeque said, on April 20, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    LNY said, on April 20, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    I’ve been banned.
    ***********

    LNY,

    Wear that banning as a badge of honor. :wink:

  2299. judypc said, on April 20, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    Watching the news tonight I had a good old fashioned belly laugh.

    Seems team Casey will not come out of their caves and answer any questions, now they are suddenly camera shy.

    like I said they are still having their ” OH S–T ” moment and realize now one should be very careful what you ask for, BY GOLLY you just might get it!!

    You know they had a sinking feeling yesterday when Judge Strickland did not go silently into the night, they never counted on him stepping down for real, and you know they never counted on his scathing remarks about them and their sillyness.

    They thought after their little motion they could set back and dare him to go against them.
    Think Judge Strickland said “CHECKMATE!!

    And all Jokin Jose’ and Mason can say now is ” HUH….OOOPS

  2300. BEES KNEES said, on April 20, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    It’s okay LNY. All the best have been banned.

    judy, I know! Isn’t that funny? It’s the first time ever that the Defense hasn’t had something to say. I hope they’re having a big EURIKA moment!!!

  2301. judypc said, on April 20, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    in April,Judge Perry ruled David Johnston is not mentally disabled and can be executed.

    a former prosecutor and he has a background in law enforcement.
    has heard many death penalty cases and homicide cases

    does not tolerate foolishness, and he will keep everyone in check and make sure everyone is doing their job professionally,”

    But the burning question is………

    Will he make Cindy Anthony stop smackin that freakin GUM??????????

  2302. frankie said, on April 20, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    I started reading the marmalade comment, but stopped. It is nothing more than a rant and the true mark of a turncoat. He has constantly berated others and REFUSED to allow them to express their anger in snarky remarks about the criminals, all under the guise of impartiality and fairness. He stood for those who murdered and covered up the murder of an innocent child. Yet, when he gets his panties in a wad….he goes on a rant and makes snarky remarks about those same criminals. He was had or else he is a defense snake and it bit his in the arse….nuff said…he deserves whatever he gets.

    I am, albeit a bit late, joining the ovation for Judge Strickland. Even though I cannot say that I won’t welcome what appears to be a tougher judge, I think JS downfall was due to his inherent humanity. It is indeed wrong that the media does not investigate marmalades blog….it was steadfastly pro anthony until he got smacked by his buddies!

    JudyPC….I don’t remember when you said it, but the post you made concerning the selling of Caylee’s innocence was well said. I have always wondered why I cringed whenever the family sold her pictures, after all, they were theirs to sell and they did need the $$$ to pay the legal fees. Now I know, it is the prostitution of Caylee’s innocence and it is vile. I so hope the SAO can convey the foul way the anthonys have betrayed Caylee’s memory…no jury will overlook that.

  2303. Head Doc said, on April 20, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    I’m not really a head doc. just got some thoughts on two people who seem to have some same mental instability.

    Both clever and deceitful
    Both self-absorbed
    Both write letters
    Both do not think first
    Both do not appreciate
    Both blame everyone else
    Both like the limelight
    Both point fingers
    Both cry poor me
    Both can twist facts
    Both turn away from truth
    Both lean on sloppy help
    Both concerned about their physical
    Both absorbed in mental sex
    Both feed of the taxpayer
    Both Have a big mouth
    Both snicker at a judge
    Both stare into space
    Both love the camera
    Both can’t keep their mouth shut
    Both will not listen to reason
    Both come from single cell
    Both Go on runs to mislead
    Both cover up the damage
    Both hide the evidence
    Both fight the good
    Both Fabricate and deny
    Both Fight the good
    Both Love the nasty
    Both use others
    Both live in Florida
    Both love to be famous
    Both talk thru vents
    Both need taxpayer help
    Both need a mouth washout
    Diff One shouldn’t eat twinkies
    Diff One isn’t held for murder

  2304. Nom de plume said, on April 20, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Head doc, you absolutely nailed it.

  2305. Barbeque said, on April 20, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    sunny said, on April 20, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    SS is writing her comments IN BIG BOLD LETTERS so no one forgets she’s second in command. It’s so pathetic it’s laughable. I still haven’t see a photo of the belligerent cow. A link was going around but I guess she deleted
    ——————

    Sunny,
    I wonder if Snoopy’s fingers are getting typing all those newcomer comments. Can you see the similarity in style and content in them all. They all have the fingerprint of MD and SS, probably Vicky too. Kinda like they stuffed the Orbbies ballot box.

  2306. Head Doc said, on April 20, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    Thanks nom, I made a couple of duplicates (didn’t think first, lol)
    and forgot
    Both Jeckell and Hyde

  2307. Barbeque said, on April 20, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    oops, “are getting tired typing”

  2308. nom de plume said, on April 20, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    BBQ, I thought the same thing! I wasn’t sure because I never read the blog before all this hoopla, but now almost every other comment says “I am new here”. Now I really believe they are making up all those posts. Pitiful.

    Talkingtoomuch pointed out how he went from anti DP to pro DP just because he got pissed off; someone hurt his widdle feelings. Someone peed in his touch-hole. (NO, that is not kinky, it’s Hinky! Got it from her blog)

    I hope it is just as Judy PC posted at 6:34. That makes my day.

  2309. sunny said, on April 20, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    One can barely contain his hatred of women

  2310. nom de plume said, on April 20, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Speaking of Hinky – just read something that appeals to my sense of Karma – remember Muffin’s “steers and queers” comment? Guess who is from Texas – da judge!

  2311. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 20, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Why these women subject themselves to the demeaning comments by MD is beyond me. Apparently they have no self-respect. He is a misogynist who must have his opinion and only his opinion. Although I’ve written several intelligent posts on his site, he refuses to post them yet resorts to insulting my intellect, spelling, and choice of words with child like name-calling. If he is challenged, he attacks. I find it very interesting that he absolutely refuses to print them when they contain no profanity and are stating an opinion. Is that not the purpose of a blog? That and his childish comments only tell me that he is intimidated by my intelligence or writings, as I’m sure he is with many others.

  2312. Analysis said, on April 21, 2010 at 2:51 am

    Having watched WFTV interview and body behavior, the avoidance of answering the pressing questions on lunch, nervous, fussing around, touching nose, indicate lies and deceit. Observing writing, flippant use of “Stan” and “Strickland” later inserting “your honor” indicates love letter is mockery, for publics attention only. One is icy cold toward the judge, no personal regrets. Other pretends to care, is overly doteing, can almost hear snickering between written words.

  2313. nom de plume said, on April 21, 2010 at 8:44 am

    Otts, if you are still around, here is the link for the radio show MD was on that I was talking about. It is at the end where he talks about going to the hearings.

  2314. amazed said, on April 21, 2010 at 9:11 am

    LNY,

    I saw your interchange with MD yesterday, you were right in all you said and asked. Now do you see what is meant when we say that he purely and simply glosses over every question about the RSO issue? He and Snoopy will NEVER allow that to be addrressed, he should be sitting in a seat in an attorneys office paying through the nose for that, and they act like it never happened. He is showing no compassion for being the reason that JS will always have a footnote in his biography, I know he lied lied lied in the lunch post, though he took care to seperate the sentences, and the groups if you read it. He WANTED everyone to think he has lunch with these people. He is a needy manipulative old man. As for being banned, here is how THAT works, e-mail him, tell him how horribly sorry you are tht you did not follow the program provided by him and SS, promise to only suck up and idolize, and he will allow you to come back, under a different name of course, so SS doesn’t know that he did it. You know SS, who is not your friend? I was there for that exchange also. You did not deserve that one either. He has allowed Renee to post after her public banning, he had allowed Ina to post after banning her, and I am sure many more. HYPOCRITE describes him best. Sorry for ranting,

  2315. Ina said, on April 21, 2010 at 9:20 am

    Hey I was banned again after 15 minutes for saying hi to a person on an Anthony thread lol. Still banned. :) I would not like to comment there with a different nick, just because of the ss, lol! Those people are nuts if they do that. besides, after 2 comments, a person would know.
    To get back to the case: Now the defense has made clear they don’t want Judges to be involved with the media, will this have consequences for the video taping in the court? I don’t see the 2 things connected, but can it be they want a sort of gag order now with all the negative publicity? Who will be the Judge of that?

  2316. NosyParker said, on April 21, 2010 at 9:38 am

    “Who will be the Judge of that?” Why the JUDGE of course.

  2317. NosyParker said, on April 21, 2010 at 9:38 am

    “Who will be the Judge of that?” Well the JUDGE of course.

  2318. Ina said, on April 21, 2010 at 9:40 am

    Thank you Nosy, so he has a lot of power I think. :)

  2319. Ina said, on April 21, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Now I think the defense has had contacts with the media as well ; they have accepted a card from md fi and perhaps they were on tv doing interviews? So they could have influenced the media? Could the prosecution therefore in its return ask for a different defense team? (What do I know, just asking)

  2320. amazed said, on April 21, 2010 at 10:15 am

    Perhaps they were on TV doing interviews. How funny!!! I wish this Judge would come in, sit down and ISSUE A GAG ORDER ON THE ATTORNEYS AND THE FAMILY>

  2321. nom de plume said, on April 21, 2010 at 10:20 am

    OOps, forgot one little thing

    http://buckethead.realradio.fm/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=200158&article=7017368

  2322. Ina said, on April 21, 2010 at 11:14 am

    I was listening to the radio interview, MD says he never met the Judge outside of the Courtroom. In the tv interview he wouldn’t say if he had lunch with him or not, and on his blog he said he did. I think all 3 times he believes himself too.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudologia_fantastica

  2323. BG said, on April 21, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Head Doc and everyone: Great comments you guys are hilarious. I have to agree with the observation that they are making up new comenters. Especially the ones that compliment ss. Duh. No class whatsoever. Any of them.

  2324. BEES KNEES said, on April 21, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    It’s odd that he has any women blogging. I can’t think of even one that I know of that would put up with those remarks. What woman would??? It’s not like his is the only blog out there ~ why aren’t they posting at any of the other enlightened ones. Doesn’t make any sense to me.

    SS I kind of can see cause it sounds like she may be a bit older, possibly my mom’s age and I guess there are still women of that generation who grew up with that type of man/woman relationship, it was acceptable. But there are others over there that sound younger and like I’m saying ~ there’s all these TRULY GREAT blogs by smart, independent women (Humble, Niecey, Mystery, Hinky, Blink . . . ) so why aren’t they supporting those blogs? Girl Power! you know?

    I can see a woman being drawn in to MD’s blog because he’s a good writer, but it doesn’t take long before he’s having an intense melt-down and calling women sluts and pigs and every other despicable name he can come up with. Then come the instructions on how to harass the latest enemy! These are ADULT people doing and condoning this. Like I say, once (or at the most, twice) and that would be enough for any normal woman. So, what’s up? Think about it, do you think he is the one behind all of the women names? With the exception of maybe one or two?

    I think he’s maybe damaged his blog beyond repair with this latest, and that really is too bad. I can tell you a couple things (that you already know) ~ there was never a lunch and there was never a phone call. So how will anyone ever believes what he writes again? How can he repair his credibility?

  2325. talking2much said, on April 21, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Nom, thanks for that link to the radio show,

    Lots of blaming woman in that, as per usual.

    The show wants him to do a show with someone who doesn’t like him, well I know someone who may be interested, and it isn’t a woman. LoL

    I will bet dinner at a nice restaurant he won’ do it. Any takers??

  2326. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 21, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    I know this disorder is usually in reference to women, but it applies to MD. Scroll down to characteristics.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder#Characteristics

  2327. Ina said, on April 21, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Wow Eastcoastdeb… I hope he gets help if that is the case.

  2328. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 21, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    He certainly needs it Ina.

  2329. Along for the Ride said, on April 21, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Geez, this guy is desperate for his 15 minutes!
    I hope with the latest news in the Haleigh case, his window of opportunity in possibly hitting NG or JVM has slammed closed.
    EC deb, in layman’s terms MD is a drama queen :D
    I don’t understand the point of dancing around the questions on the wftv interview, it is just plain embarrassing!
    What could possibly be gained by being perceived as a shifty liar?
    Bees, I too have to wonder how anyone male or female would endorse this creep.
    The new roster of posters are Zannifications, no doubt about it!
    I feel just awful for the Judge having to hear this crap.
    I think Judge Perry will ban MD from the courthouse; he is disruptive and has done enough damage.

  2330. Snowy said, on April 21, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Bees – So how will anyone ever believes what he writes again? How can he repair his credibility?

    *********

    Lots and lots of videos! Show and tell I guess…..and maybe the occasional polygraph? :-)

  2331. amazed said, on April 21, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    EC Deb

    I would say they are intimidated by your writing. You wrote ONE word and SS recinded her friendship, and Dave was perplexed!!

    I am confused, are there two Frankies?

  2332. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    I think MD doesn’t want to let go of his 15 minutes. He’s holding onto anything that will keep him in the media. I guess bad publicity is better than none. MD knows the judge has too much class to respond to his ramblings and is still trying to milk the attention.

  2333. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    Well I guess MD is sulking and I’m in good company. Bees, Ina and Hazaka,did you know that we are supposedly on Dennis Milstead’s payroll. LMAO and is recent outburst.

  2334. BEES KNEES said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    That was interesting ECDeb. And there are six different types of “histrionic” ~ which is an apt description I would say. He’s gotta know he needs some type of intervention ~ look at how far he goes with his blog hanging in the balance. It’s like he has no control. And then he often erases everything and tries again . . but it’s gotta be getting harder and harder to deny the guy needs some kind of help. Maybe he’s in the wrong profession right now. I always think he should just write and not bother with comments or interacting with anyone. He doesn’t seem to have as many problems with men but unfortunately for him there’s more women blogging.

    This lag time is crazy. Do you all think we should pick another thread to continue on? There are only 304 comments on the “Submit Questions for Bill to Answer.” thread so it’s probably nice and fast. Or, we can wait and hope that Bill will soon add a new column?

  2335. Ina said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Paylist sounds good to me lol. Who is Dennis Milstead?

  2336. talking2much said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    BEES KNEES, Eastcoastdeb, Ina and Hazaka
    How much do you make working for the Milstumps?

    I have been posting for free for two years and could use some lose change.

    Also, are you considered an independent contractor or do you receive benefits such as health ins and a 401k?

    Where can I get an application and what are the qualifications required?

    OMG this is too funny, he can’t even focus on who to be mad at.

  2337. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    The lag is terrible, Bees, I’ve been writing on wordpad and copying it to the comment box. I agree that he is in dire need of some sort of psychological help. Maybe that’s how he met Joy Wray, who knows? I think that men who solely attack women are cowardly and rarely go after men. It’s in their nature as bullies, I suspect.

  2338. BEES KNEES said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    How did he find out I was in tight with the Milsteads??? Talking, I’ll give Dennis your name and let him know you need some extra $$!!

    Seriously . . . how funny! I’ve been staying away but I’ve got to go check this out! BBIAB.

  2339. Ina said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    I would LOVE to get money just to chat! Please mr Dennis, whom ever you are, contact me! I am against the dp but other than that, reasonble :)

  2340. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Talking, I could sure use the change too. LOL I hope MD, as a professional journalist (LMAO) can dig up this payroll and produce it. I’ll have to claim it on income tax.
    Ina, Dennis Milstead is the founder/director of Kidfinders.

  2341. Ina said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Just make a lot of typos, hope that is no problem?

  2342. Ina said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    And the founder of Kidfinders wants people to chat on blogs of course and to tell them Casey did not do it or something like that. It makes so much sense…

  2343. talking2much said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Yeah you BETTER claim all that income, he’s tight with the FBI so I’m sure he could sic the IRS on ya!

    I would love to get paid for doing what I’m going to for free anyway. I do like easy money!

    Another week, another meltdown.

  2344. talking2much said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Bees,

    Now you are a killer, are you a paid killer? How much does a paid killer make?

    You know, I never considered all the employment opportunities available to person posting on site!

  2345. Ina said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Did you read his last remark, that one is very very sick. I think WP should draw a line there.

  2346. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    LOLOLOL Talking, I know he’s tight with the FBI, should I be afraid? Will these men be knocking on my door shortly, and how will they locate me?
    Ina, making no sense is what MD does best.

  2347. amazed said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Great idea on Bees part to move to the questions blog…

  2348. Ina said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Marinade Dave // April 21, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    I had a lengthy discussion with a detective today about the crazies all over the Internet and we agreed it’s very odd that grown women act so disgusting. This particular case has brought out a certain mass hysteria. Women are ready to kill people over this. I wouldn’t doubt if BEES KNEES and her lot would do such a thing.”

  2349. Just stopping in said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    This whole thing is so deja vu. I think what MD suffers from is MURTARDISM. And what his loyal followers have is SUB-ACUTE MURTITIS.

  2350. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    LOL Lily’s both guesses were WRONG. I guess she’ll have to keep pretending she knows what she’s talking about.
    Talking, it seems like I’ve missed out on a world of opportunities while blogging for free. I guess not everyone can profit of this poor child though.

  2351. BEES KNEES said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Ha ha ha!!! That’s funny! It’s interesting that he chose only our names. Did he not read what others were saying about him on Blink and Hinky’s pages? He could pick up another dozen names at least over there that were saying the same things about him ~ but because they have a lot of brainiacs and lawyers on those blogs he wouldn’t want to trash them. HA HA HA HA HA!!! What a sorry and predictable bunch. I could NOT BELIEVE MY EYES when I read one comment there from someone named Celeste who actually said “THANK YOU FOR CAUSING THE “TROUBLE” THAT YOU DID!” Seriously. She says, it’s all good now cause we have a stricter judge. Uhhhhhh . . yeah . . . . I guess. Let’s try to remember the cost of it was a black mark on Strickland’s nice clean background, though! Sheeesh!!!

  2352. Ina said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    I am out of center? Jeez. But I was nice. Well that means a lot coming from him, I thought he was nice too. Till he started lying. He is a murt.

  2353. BEES KNEES said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    ‘K. I’m going over to the other thread now. See ya there!

  2354. talking2much said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Lets go to BAB, this site is on my last nerve!

  2355. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 21, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Ina, he’ lies repeatedly, it’s what he does. He just wants sympathy and to have this bunch carry him through his sorrowful time. Awww. Poor, poor, MD.
    Bee’s, he’s such a parody, isn’t he? LOLOLOL

  2356. I Say said, on April 21, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Marinade Dave // April 21, 2010 at 1:46 pm
    Hi, Sara – You know, I’ve heard about those rumors and thought about them. Do I think the Anthonys are paying people to sit around on the Internet? Probably not, but I certainly wouldn’t put it past them. Since they haven’t been able to pay their mortgage, I doubt they’d be able to pay anyone anything, but they do have friends. You need to go to some of the blogs where they constantly trash the Anthonys. There’s BEES KNEES, Eastcoastdeb, Ina and Hazaka who are on Dennis Milstead’s payroll to blanket the blogs and forums with anti-Casey sentiment, all in the name of securing her freedom.

    snoopysleuth // April 21, 2010 at 2:50 pm
    Dave~~please recant what you said about those people being on Dennis Milstead’s payroll. Dennis doesn’t have enough money these days to pay anyone. Just edit that out of the comments.. I realize they are screen names but Dennis is well known. Alot of things said in jest lately have been taken out of context.
    Let Bees Knees and the rest of them beat their gums else where and just ignore them … Reading their comments is like rooting around in a garbage bag trying to find your supper.
    ———-

    Toooo late Snoopy, it’s been said and screen shot and in Google Cache as well as right here.

  2357. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 21, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    I Say, LOLOL I got it too, and am sure Bees has also captured the moment for eternity.

  2358. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 21, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    I think MD should try comedy, he’s really very entertaining.

  2359. Along for the Ride said, on April 21, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    I guess its too late to flush a roonie?

  2360. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 21, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    LOL I guess it is too late.
    I don’t know why, but I can’t post on the other blog.

  2361. LNY said, on April 21, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Hi Amazed, Well, so, yes I was banned. I will not be sending any kind of e-mail to anyone. My life will go on. LOL!

    I am not one to NOT say what I feel or think (within reason) on a blog. I did state how I felt as to my disappointment in the language and stereotyped comments about women, through all this, and in the past (b*tches/hormonal/raggy, etc), whether directed at me or not (and it was not). However those phrases never sat well with me in the past and I chose to ignore, except of course, one the one or two times I didn’t LOL!) . I also expressed my disappointment in the urging of people to harass that PI, and one other thing. Every one of my posts regarding this have been deleted-along with many others, and that is fine, it is his blog, not mine. I didn’t rag on him about this whole situation. Now, honestly, in MY hindsight, was it a good idea to write about meeting with the judge? Well, I don’t know. Judge S called him out in court, for allthe world and the brilliant defense to see, on camera no less. Now, IMO, the judge does have some fault IF he should NOT have done that. My take is the judge knows it was a bunch of Bullsh*t that the defense called him on that and his comment about Casey and the truth being strangers. I believe the Judge will go on with his career. And I truly believe the defense would have pulled other dirty tricks to try to get him off the case. But I cannot see how that is to their advantage. Yes, MD was a part of this, and I also let him know that I could not understand why he fell for that PI, as he was quite sarcastic. And I wasn’t impressed how MD has been handling, IMO. If MD or any other readers think I am not a “friend”, all I have to say is that on blog life, as in real life, If I don’t agree, I don’t agree. However, in real life, when I have not agreed with a friend, they have remained my friend and said OK, that’s what you think, and we move on.

    Now, a lot of people on this particular blog, like to call me an Md lover etc., like I am some freakin’ zombie with no mind of my own just because I commented there for the past 7-8 months. Did I like discussing this case there? Yes I did. Did I agree with everything MD and anyone has to say? No, and that is why my answer to so many derogatory remarks to my commenting there is: enlighten yourselves on what my comments were. I am me. No one dictates what I think. I conducted myself there, as I do in other places, in a respectful way to the bog owner. Whether I agree or not. I have had many good conversations there regarding this case with a lot of the commenters there and have had some fun with them. Did I like or agree with some things, the humor and comments all the time? No. But I can ignore what does not agree with me without being nasty about it even mentioning it. What be the point of aggravating myself or anyone else. With that said, I “do unto to others” meaning, If someone is nasty with me that is absolutely what I will give in return. If I choose to continue to comment and converse here at this blog and all I get is that I am a plant, a spy an MD lover (LOL!), I’ll just go somewhere else. Over here and over there is not the only place I read and comment at.

    Just a couple of things: That “lunch thing”? I absolutely took it as a joke, as a regular commenter there. In hindsight, I could see how people who did not regularly read/comment there took it as a fact. But I didn’t. IMO MD didn’t seek out to “ruin” the judge, and I really don’t think the judge is ruined anyway. I believe even it MD said no comment to that PI, they would have just used that particular post and the mention of the phone call. I do not think he is lying about the phone call, it was one call up to the bench and one stupid phone call. I do not agree that he should have “left it open to interpretation” that they were friends and may be in the future. Please that is just my opinion, please don’t beat me up! I don’t think MD is now a part of the case. This will blow over as I am sure there will be dozens and dozens of other stupid motions

    So, If anyone wants to give me crap, go ahead, and get it over with. But if anyone get’s nasty and rude and, so will I!

    Linda From New York

  2362. amazed said, on April 21, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Craig,

    Can we move to a thread with less comments, a couple of us has tried the questions thread and can’t post. We are being REALLY good waiting for the new post, but it takes forever to make a comment here.

  2363. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 21, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    LOLOLOL Imagine that. If that isn’t calling the kettle black. Father Clucker is calling the women ‘chicken sh*ts?????

  2364. LNY said, on April 21, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    In risk of sounding stupid and being called stupid, what is RSO??

  2365. Beast said, on April 21, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    I thought we were hear to talk about the case, and not bash another blogger who is just trying to do his best and keep people informed. And since from what I can gather most people complaining here don’t have their own and just use other peoples blogs to bitch on. Try growing up and look at all the facts, and if you have a complaint, go and speak to the person and not be a coward and do it behind his back.

  2366. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 21, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    Only an egomaniacal , misogynistic person would relish thinking they have ‘power’. So very pathetic and telling.

    LNY, the part that disturbed me was MD’s interview where he refused to answer if he had lunch with the judge. Had that story been satire, he could easily have said so. He refused to discuss or respond to it.

  2367. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 21, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Beast, It can’t be behind his back when he has people like you coming over, and we all very well know it.

  2368. Beast said, on April 21, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Like I said, grow up and get all the facts. I did not come over here at anyones rrequest and if you know how you can find out how long I’ve been a member here. Likely longer than you. Again, spouting off the first thing that pops between your ears. You have anything constructive to say about the article you are posting on or just like bitching?

  2369. ThoughtElf said, on April 21, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    If we’re moving to a new thread, can we leave all the MD stuff here? I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’m over MD discussion. We could move on and relegate it to the background?

  2370. Along for the Ride said, on April 21, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    LNY, I believe that stands for R.egistered S ex O ffender.
    Marinade Dave has admitted to posting a blog with a photo of a registered sex offender with an added invisible caption of his ‘enemy”s name in a moment of anger.
    I think he called it a ‘trap’ which is different than a ‘joke’.
    The ‘enemy’ had posted a blog saying he had met MD and he smelled bad.
    Now the gentleman’s name is linked in google searches to the RSO, because although the caption was ‘invisible’ due to white print on white page, a computer recognizes the text.
    In other words, were you to google the man’s name, the sex offender photo pops up.

  2371. I Say said, on April 21, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    Beast are you going to go on one of your Atheistic Rants here like you did elsewhere. Don’t worry the little squeak reads here. Apparently being new or not? you didn’t see what Dave did to sirjeff8. If that is ok with you then we know what you are made of.
    ————

    LNY, RSO = Registered Sex Offender.

  2372. Along for the Ride said, on April 21, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Beast, the blogger Marinade Dave is front page news. We are free to discuss him here, yourself included. I am not reading any ‘bitching’; this is a conversation and you are free to contribute your views.
    While the subject might bore or upset some, they are free to discuss any aspect of the Casey Anthony saga they wish as well.

  2373. RS said, on April 21, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Beast,

    you cannot be serious? wait maybe you think you are..

    Speaking of bashing and doing it in front of the bashee as opposed to behind someone’s back……..

    …….why not examine the blog from which you slithered over here from for it’s bashing of others, libel by placing names under sex offender images, or better still consider to use Webster’s and look up hypocrisy…..

  2374. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 21, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Beast, being one of his minions must be frustrating. Take a deep breath and count to ten.

  2375. Beast said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    No idea what you are talking about, but from what I have read here it is “apparently” he did something. If it is a fact then yes I would agree it was poor judgment.

  2376. LNY said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    OK, thanks for the info on what that stood for.

    Beast if you are referring to me, there is a reason why I was so long-winded. Some people have blasted me here. I am not doing anyhting behind anyone’s back. I said what I said at that person’s blog.

    By all means, let’s move on and talk about the newest absurd motions from the spectacular defense team!!

  2377. Beast said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    And you know that was done as a fact? And I did not slither from anywhere. I have my own blog to take care of. So buzz off with your stupid comments.

  2378. nom de plume said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    I guess beast has not heard that if we do try to go to the source, our comments are deleted and the commenter is called everything but a child of God. Nasty, nasty names.

    Just wait until the beast does something to offend MD, and see if he likes seeing his name and personal information posted under the picture of a registered sex offender, including a description of what he did to a child. If the beast can’t see that is wrong, he is not worth arguing with.

  2379. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    It is a FACT that MD is posting false information about others and giving publicizing their names. There’s no debating that issue.

  2380. Nom de plume said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Yes beast, we absolutely know it is a fact. It is not just poor judgment, it is libelous. MD deleted the scathing post he made to this individual, and deleted the picture, but it is still in cache in you look it up.

  2381. Along for the Ride said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Beast, you can ask Marinade Dave himself.
    I wonder if you would be so kind as to call it ‘poor judgement’ were (for example) you to go on a job interview and your potential employer googled your name (standard procedure nowadays) and it pops up with an RSO linked in perpetuity.

  2382. Beast said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    C4C well its not like he replaced the name of the offender with the other guy, but yes I would have to agree it was not a very nice thing to do. And though I’ve never done anything like that I don’t think anyone here can say they’ve never done anything they regret when angry.

  2383. Beast said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Chuckles. Well unless this guy looks like the RSO in the pic I dont think it would be a problem. So he made a mistake and corrected it. Everyone here virgin white clean?

  2384. talking2much said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    LOL Beast will soon see the mood swings and tantrums, until then, probably no point in trying to explain.

    However, Beast could just read LNY’s post to see this was a person who did the same thing Beast is right now, Trying to defend the actions of a madman, and look what she got for it…she tried to tell him her point of view and asked him to tone down the abusive language and was slammed for it.

  2385. BEES KNEES said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Gosh, I had no idea there was a debate going on here. I’ve been talking to myself on the other thread. Ha ha ha . .

  2386. Along for the Ride said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Glad you find that amusing Beast.
    Let us know your real name and I’ll do you the same favor.
    BTW, I have never posted on MD’s blog nor do I know the libeled gentleman.
    No, I am not a virgin but I have not libeled anyone nor written falsehoods that caused a judge to be recused for LULZ or 15 minutes.

  2387. Beast said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    Shrugs, what he does on HIS blog is none of my business. So, what ya’ll think of the new motions filed by the defence?

  2388. talking2much said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    BEES

    Your kinda goofy for a paid killer.

  2389. nom de plume said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Yes, Bees, you are late for the prom!

    Beast I have not had time to read the new motions. I rely on these good people to tell me the important parts.

    Remember, now MD has your personal information. Just don’t cross him and you will be fine. Well, maybe, depending on whether he is on the upswing or downswing of his pathological personality.

  2390. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    If it’s none of your business, why come over here chastising us? He was doing this on the very thread that you were posting on. I doubt very much that any of us have done the dispicable things that he has. His irresponsibility is astounding and if he is a journalist, he knows better.

  2391. I Say said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    Ok Beast, ask your new found friend if he indeed posted this on the 21st of March and change it up on March 22.

    http://us.loadedweb.com/search/posts/sirjef8/

    http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:tMBOsAuFq-MJ:marinadedave.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/+marinade+dave+from+the+department+of+perversion&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&ie=UTF-8&client=firefox-a

    I guess it is just about time for this to be sent to WFTV, WESH, Orlando Sentinel, Florida SAO and Clerk of the Courts in Orlando for Judges Strickland and Perry. I am guessing someone is going to want to do a search of his computer though I am sure he is busy or has been busy of shredding the evidence. Sadly he can’t delete the above. Remember he said he is Very Internet Savvy. Maybe not savvy enough. Oops, maybe some of those sites I mention read Bill Sheaffer’s blog.

  2392. ThoughtElf said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    BEES KNEES said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    I’ll come play later on the other thread if we can talk about the case. ;>

    You know, motions, new Judge assignments, new defense strategies, why the A’s have finally learned to zip their lips. The possibilities are endless. And infinitely more interesting than the current topic of discussion here.

  2393. BEES KNEES said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    It took me about a month to catch on to the dirty undercurrent running through that blog. Unfortunately within the first couple weeks I responded to md re: a leaf from the dump site and he was kind enough to mail it to me. But as it turns out my soul can’t be bought for just one leaf. I began to see the tantrums and other bad behaviour which I kept to myself, no big deal ~ read it, disagree and move on, right? But then it became more apparent that there was something dark and bad in the way women were treated and referred to and I completely stopped reading there and commenting there and made some critical remarks about his mycosis blog. Now I pretty much stay away for the most part. His antics over the past few days were just too irresistible to not comment on. But the damage is done, people’s personal information does get printed, Judge Strickland has a black mark on his record forever and an innocent man will be identified as a RSO. And for what? To feed his huge and empty ego. That’s all.

    Today I made note that besides him there are women throwing my name around. And yes, I have screenshots and proof, if I should ever need it which I’m sure I won’t but, just in case. I am not at all surprised by his behavior even though women have struggled for a very long time against his kind but the fact that he’s got women actually supporting him in this just blows my mind. I am so happy that I don’t know any women like that in my real life.

  2394. Beast said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Look I didnt come over here to talk about MD all afternoon so if there is no other discussions going on I will be off. You seem to have all the evidence you need to do whatever you want to do. I have better things to do. Have a nice day

  2395. BEES KNEES said, on April 21, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    mycosis = misogynist

  2396. BEES KNEES said, on April 21, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    see you there thoughtelf

  2397. I Say said, on April 21, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Bees, too funny,

    mycosis: fungal infection: an inflammatory condition caused by a fungus. Seems right to me.

  2398. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 21, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    I agree Bees. With him, the grudge is long-standing and whether we post there or not, he has to fabricate stories to sway his commenters. It’s pathetic, as is he. I’m stunned by the lack of respect these women show themselves in regard to his chauvinism. Irregardless, I believe the child is done with his temper tantrum and ‘mama’ has made it all better. Enough said.

  2399. Along for the Ride said, on April 21, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Hey thanks for your imput Beast!
    I’d add ‘its been real’ but that wouldn’t be accurate when conversing with a sock puppet would it?
    You bust into a conversation in progress only to announce it is of no interest to you?
    Umm sure..
    Bees, ‘my kingdom for a leaf?’

  2400. BEES KNEES said, on April 21, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    That’s good to hear ECDeb. All over for now.

    I say, it’s true. Sounds about right!

    When Bill Sheaffer comes back with a fresh comment we’ll have to ask him to speak to Craig about giving us fresh pages. I just don’t know why he won’t. Is he mad at us do you think? Craig . . . ? Maybe we should mail him some cookies. Or a nice leaf maybe?

    Along, HA HA HA HA HA . . .

  2401. nom de plume said, on April 21, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Maybe we should cut Beast some slack. We don’t want him to think we are like Dave. He probably did come here to discuss the case, as it is not too intellectually stimulating over there. He read the topic and, not knowing the facts, tried to get us on another topic. I do believe he got the point, though. I think he saw that we are not making up tales.

  2402. BEES KNEES said, on April 21, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    nom, it’s just so deadly slow to make comments right now. I can’t take it.

  2403. Along for the Ride said, on April 21, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    nom, I should have checked his blog first; he does seem to be authentically confused LOL.
    I didn’t mean to be harshing on you, Beast! Sorry if I came off rudely :D
    Frankly, I feel the coolest thing about this blog is the huge spectrum of opinions ;)
    Craig and Bill are pretty much laissez-faire and true advocates of free speech and I think this blog benefits from its unfiltered commentary.
    I think its great that someone like LNY (just for an example, not trying to single you out) can come here and have her say without censorship after what was obviously a hurtful ordeal. Its obviously been very therapeutic for her! :) )
    I find this blog is the most egalitarian and unbiased of any on the www, though I personally have not posted elsewhere.

  2404. LNY said, on April 21, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Well, not soooo much for therapy, AlongFTR, but I have been bashed on this blog for for commenting there and just wanna get it over with and said my piece in a long winded way :) , which, BTW, I typed in Word and C&P’d coz it has been taking so long to write anything out here, except NOW it isn’t. Anyway, I did want to get it out of the way before some people who hate me started beating me up here.

    I need to get my gravatar back. I think I do not have it coz I am not here via wordpress. I have no idea what happened.

  2405. Curious said, on April 21, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    It is a sad day when someone allows their own self aggrandizement to take precedence over the search for justice. Ego & hubris seem to have gotten in the way. When you choose to involve yourself in a criminal case knowingly you should expect to have your motives questioned. To complain about afterwords is a bit like complaining that the bus ran you over because you lay down in the road. Mr. Knechel has proven has proven himself to be unreliable at best and a liar at the worst.

  2406. Curious said, on April 21, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Mr. Knechel should use what is left of his 15 minutes wisely as his time is almost up.

  2407. Head Doc said, on April 21, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Very interesting Beast, you over on MD’s earlier calling some a foul mouthed parasite.
    then you want to come here to discuss the “case” nicely. You and your own foul mouth belong right where you were sent from. You obviously think you are approaching children
    He just had to bring sex into his interview and on talkradio. I am going to stop reading. It is all beginning to make me mad and no fun anymore. So best I get MY head examined.
    lol.

  2408. sassy said, on April 21, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    Well just to get the facts straight:

    Md lied about the Judge’s comments about the BEST blog
    Md lied about the phone
    Md lied about the lunch

    where are the facts if I need to get them straight?

    plus you can bet it is not ok for posting peoples real names on a blog
    Mr Bill is there a law about an owner of the blog posting a persons private information

  2409. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 21, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    Sassy, he also lied about being smarter than the rest of us.

  2410. Gracie said, on April 21, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    Hey guys! EastCoastDebb – I loved your comment on that other no account blog. You really set’em off with just one word. Loved it, loved it, loved it!!!! Bravo!

  2411. Eastcoastdebb said, on April 21, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    Thank you Gracie. Apparently he’s a man with very little control LOLOLOL

  2412. nom de plume said, on April 21, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Mr. Shaeffer has a new post.

  2413. sirjef8 said, on April 21, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    Mr. Sheaffer – - I have always had a great deal of respect for you and your knowledge of the law – your insightful analysis of every motion/happening in the “Case Against Casey” – - –

    I am the subject of this post – - by the now infamous Marinade Dave – - http://us.loadedweb.com/search/posts/sirjef8/ – - – not to mention a lot of other posts on his blog to defame my name – - it has caused anguish and grief to me – -

    I know some of my options – am following up on them – - would you be kind enough to pass this on to Kathy Belish – - and give me some advice in the mean time?

    I don’t want to be in the media/spotlight [ my daughter is a TV News Anchor and reporter - in Ohio - previously worked with Wesh 2 as an Assistant Producer] it’s not media attention I’m seeking – -

    I just want to clear the air – - with regards to Dave Knechel – more commonly know as Marinade Dave – - and my NAME – - what he did to me – putting my name under the picture of a convicted child molester – connecting me – as if I were the child molester – - is unforgivable – - and a crime – - please give me your thoughts on this – - – I so appreciate!

  2414. New Puppy said, on April 21, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    Me. Sirjet8, I have found Mr. Knechel to be quite a decent man. I have read several
    times your description of him on justice For Caylee. What a humiliating and highly degrading untruthful statement you made about his personal. What ever caused you to
    do such a despicable thing to a man you just met. No doubt Mr. Marinade was deeply
    embarrassed and reacted. I hope you are man enough to at least explain why you felt it necessary to hurt this man and then cry to the legal that you have been tainted. You may think this is a good time to lay more on to Mr. Knechel when he is having a tough
    go but the fact that you waited, says even more about your need to do harm. You may think what you did was nothing, just joking around, I have read. No joke, Mr. Sirjet8 No joke to have people reading words that make them think of you as nasty smelling. If you think he had done something bad? It is suggested you take a good look at yourself. You can joke, he can’t?? Why are you impressing who your daughter is, does that give
    right that you first humiliate a man you didn’t even know. I am mad at you because as
    far as I have seen you started the whole package and in the vast public opinion that does not let you off the hook. So attack me, whoever wants to, I could care less. I am trying to be fair minded in what I am saying here.

    Mr. Sheaffer, I hope you take the whole scene into consideration before your respectable advise is drawn into a nit picking. I don’t know if Mr. Sirjet8′s comment still remains on Justice For Caylee, but I can assure you it was highly offensive unnerving and posted four days before Mr. Knechel made any post. If I am wrong in what I
    viewed, and read, I stand corrected. If Mr. Sirjet8 wants legal advise for a personal
    offense, it this the proper place? Shouldn’t he need to go to your office and pay for
    it? This seems to be an attempt to stir up a crowd and bring a damning attitude onto your blog just to stick it to Mr. Knechel. I just read a lot and legal is legal, but fair is
    fair while outside the courtroom. This Sirjet8 has got people continuously commenting about the way Mr. Knechel smells and looks. As much a defamation to his character as any move Mr. Knechel may have made. While Mr. Sirjet is laid back waiting for this chance to pile it on people have been doing it for him. All because they did not like Mr Knechel for his fair minded blog. So if you don’t think I know what the hell I am talking about, I really don’t care. delete me! I don’t particularly like anybody right now
    anyway. If people can not act like grownups, then put your diapers back on, all the
    —- is smelling up the whole state of Florida. Goodnight Craig!
    .

  2415. Ina said, on April 22, 2010 at 12:54 am

    Ms New Puppy, so you think Mr Knechel is a decent man? Well I thought so to. I really was very fond of his witty way of writing, his friendlyness, his patience with me, he was kind, he was encouraging, he said nice things that helped me through a difficult time in my life. (mother dyiing) He was a friend. Now things must really go wrong if I have to give up on a friend, believe me. I gave up on this friend. Go figure.

    I suggest you read his blog, from the moment he started writing about the Anthony case, it went downhill with his morals. You will learn in time how ‘decent’ this man has become. I bet you are embarressed by all of this, as a commenter on that blog, and I can understand why you don’t want to see what happened mentioned anywhere,( please please nobody must talk about it, make it go away!) ,but that doesn’t change the fact he lied to make himself look bigger, he bullied and harassed and distroid the reputation of Mr SirJef, who, of course, also was not very nice about Mr Knechel, but what Mr Knechel did, was a criminal overreaction that can have serious consequences for Mr SirJef. It was like killing a stinging bee with a nuke. His bragging and lying about his friendship with a judge was not enough for you to see what has become of his decency?

    Ms New Puppy, I can really understand you also fall for the friendlyness etc. Well good luck. I think his influence on your own morals shows in the last sentences.

    Ms Ina

  2416. Ina said, on April 22, 2010 at 1:17 am

    thought so to = thought so too

  2417. New Puppy said, on April 22, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Ms Ina, What I refer to as decency is consideration of the heart of man. I like to think of the decency we can have, yet when we become prodded and made fun our reactions to many things that are not what we really want to do. People hurt people, most often there is something that first aggravates the reaction, as in this situation. I can only stand an itch so long, then nothing stops me from scratching. It is feedback to an insect that bit me. I never really want to scratch my skin until it bleeds, but darn that pesky insect! Nevertheless, I do not personally know either gentleman the way you do. I sometimes comment when I read something that peaks interest. By the law it seems Mr. Sirjet8 has something he wants addressed. What if that public article written by Mr Sirjet8 was enough to cause Mr. Knechel to actually harm himself. What does the law say about that. Harm works both ways. I have read a lot from all sides that is very immature and harmful. People who do not even know each other badgering. Do you read some of the things that people are calling each other back and forth. It is unmistakably harmful and needless. From a video of the courtroom that day, am i mistaken, that Mr. Sirjet8 came in and sat by Mr. Knechel? Why didn’t he move if he was offended. Or did he purposely make an effort to single out and later harrass. Mind you I may not have seen the right man there. Is Mr. Sirjet8 an Anthony hater and one of those who can not stand Mr. Knechel writing fairly and as unbiased as he has about this case. It really is puzzling why he needed to start the scene and promote followers against Mr Knechel as has happened. Maybe a reaction is what he wanted for a “I’ve got you now”! from his side. Who is the culprit, Both/neither, really! If Mr. Sheaffer is drawn into an answer on this here on this blog, it leads to more asking for personal advise to use against someone. If Mr. Sheaffer responds to it here it will be interesting.

    Ms Ina, Whatever your feelings are, and for what reason, you may express. I have read
    many of your intelligent questions and comments, I also read your hate from hurt on
    a couple of blogs. A “reaction” to your hurt but your heart sounds different. You
    write you are through with him, all is fine with you then almost immediately swing back to it like you don’t really want to lose a friendship. I can’t blame you for that. Maybe he did not really want to lose a friendship either. Why it happened should only be between you and him. I have never had a close friendship to lose so maybe i do not understand at all. I submit to you that.

    if I may, you are right about my moral conduct in my last sentence, it was not
    needed and I apologize to all of Florida. But I assure my morals are not and never will
    be swayed by Mr. Knechel or anyone else in my life. What i do to myself it will not be
    to blame another person. It is appreciated if you do not blame another person for what
    came out of my pen. In defense of women, I have no appreciation for any name
    calling of women, OR OF MEN. I say s— that is my slang, MY loose tongue, when agitation sets in or I hit my head with a hammer. Quite frankly, although none of my business, it is very agitating to read that so many DECENT people are continuously bashing each other on some of these blogs. What is the real purpose?? I tell myself
    if I don’t like it, leave it. I am taking my own advise here.

  2418. Ina said, on April 22, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    No wonder there is a lag here,. Puppy can you do a synopsis? I have to go to bed now. My personal stuff is personal btw. and I have no need to talk about it here. Night!

  2419. talking2much said, on April 22, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    New Puppy

    There is NO EXCUSE for what he did to Sirjeff, NONE. Period, doesn’t matter where any one sat in a courtroom.

    The fact that he deleted those THREE posts he wrote in response to ONE remark is telling.

    Sirjeff: “I think he smells bad’

    MD: ” He is a RSO”

    One does not equal the other in a rational persons mind, and never will.

  2420. Ina said, on April 23, 2010 at 10:28 am

    http://www.wftv.com/news/23242649/detail.html you will need a comb, all about hair?

  2421. Arkie3 said, on April 23, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    New Puppy

    Pffffffffffffffft!

  2422. Arkie3 said, on April 23, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    New Puppy

    Pffft!

  2423. Susan said, on May 11, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    My question is in regards to Casey’s appearance in court. The last two times she has appeared, the blouse she is wearing is unbuttoned, almost down to her cleavage. The shirts themselves seem to be proper attire for the hearings, but shouldn’t one of her attorneys tell her that she is projecting a bad image by not buttoning her shirt at least to the top two buttons? Surely one of them has noticed by now. Every time she fidgets in her seat, the gap opens and you can clearly see her bra strap.

  2424. ~ScissorLips~ said, on May 27, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Yes, Susan – I noticed that too. Horrible.

  2425. ~ScissorLips~ said, on May 27, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    I noticed that too. Horrible.


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