What Did The Supremes Mean?
While reading some of your comments this Sunday, I ran across one from Bees Knees in which she provided Judy PC, a link to a case that seemed to indicate that the State Attorney’s Office could withhold certain evidence from the Defense until trial, just as long as it is not evidence helpful to the Defendant. Recognizing Bees as one of our blog contributors that is always on the cutting edge of current information, I went to the link she supplied. I found a 2001 revised Florida Supreme Court opinion in the case of Hoffman vs. State of Florida, which discusses the issue of the State’s failure to disclose evidence favorable to the Defense prior to trial in a death penalty case.
At first blush it does appear that the Supreme Court reached the conclusion that Bees did. But, with apologies in advance to Bees, that was not the Court’s decision after all. Having had to read and brief more cases than I care to remember, starting waaaaaaay back in law school, I realized I ought to take a closer look at the Hoffman case. I believe Bees, as well as Judy, Frankie, Amazed, CatCarr, Kate, et al., would want me to straighten out an area of confusion so that there is no misinterpretation when you all speak to this issue in the future.
The general rule in Florida is, pretty much without exception, when the Defense files its Notice of Intent to Participate in Discovery, pursuant to the Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure, both the State and the Defense are then obligated to timely provide all evidence in the possession of each, to one another, as set forth and defined by Rule 3.220 Fla. R. Crim.P. This duty to disclose is ongoing, up to commencement of trial. If either party breaches that duty, the Court has a broad range of sanctions it can impose on the offending partying, including, but not limited to, exclusion at trial of the witness or evidence not properly disclosed.
This discussion leads us to the Hoffman death penalty case that Bees found. Hoffman deals with a particular type of evidence which is referred to as exculpatory evidence (evidence which is favorable to the Defense, or evidence which seems to point to the Defendant’s innocence). The aforementioned evidence is known as BRADY evidence, named from the United States Supreme Court case of BRADY VS. MARYLAND. When the State fails to turn over exculpatory evidence to the Defense, lawyers refer to it as a BRADY VIOLATION.
In the Hoffman appellate case, the Appellant/Defendant Hoffman, during an evidentiary hearing held by the Trial Court subsequent to his conviction and sentencing, claimed that the State had withheld exculpatory evidence. And further, had the Defense known of that evidence, the trial result would have been different. The Trial Court, at this post conviction hearing, rejected this argument. However, on an appeal to the Florida Supreme Court, the Defense prevailed, as the Supreme Court agreed with the Defense and remanded the case back to the Trial Court for a new trial.
When a Brady violation is alleged, the Defendant must establish a prima facie case that “there is a reasonable probability that, had the evidence been disclosed to the Defense, the results of the trial would have been different.” To meet this test, the Defendant must prove: (1) The State had evidence favorable to the Defense, (2) That the evidence was suppressed, or, not given to the Defense, and, (3) There is a reasonable probability that, had the evidence been disclosed, the outcome would have been different.
Bees was right in one respect. That is, that the State can withhold exculpatory evidence and get away with it, so long as the Courts conclude that even though the State did so, it doesn’t matter, because it would not, within a reasonable probability, have led to a different verdict. That, however, is a very dangerous game for a prosecutor to play, especially in a capital case, such as the Casey Anthony case. None of us, especially the taxpayers, want to run the risk of seeing a verdict and sentence overturned and a new trial granted. Therefore, from an ethical standpoint as well as a practical one, I do not expect to see either the State or the Defense fail in their duties to timely disclose all evidence to one another as required by the Rules of Criminal Procedure in Florida.
WJS
Very informative. Thank you, Bill Schaeffer. And thanks for recognizing Bees Knees as an astute, informed commentor.
Thanks for the info Mr. Schaeffer. And thanks Bees for your contribution. We all realized you are knowledgeable about this case and a real asset in any discussion.
Bee’s has always been cutting edge
Thank you Bill Scheaffer, with respect to all, It is important to note we should be
wise and not sway thinking of one another by being too sure of ourselves when commenting. Because many are well read, I tend to take their word, but as
Mr Scheaffer points out, not always exact. True “Facts” differ from opinions and coming
to speculative conclusions. Still, in reading the discussions, all are appreciated.
Thanks Mr. Sheaffer. and to you Bees, what can I say other than you are the “Bee’s Knees”, loved by all.
Kim said, on May 25, 2010 at 11:27 am
Bee’s has always been cutting edge
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of assumptions!
So glad Bill came to ‘splain it!!
I blush!!!! Thanks Mr. Sheaffer for your thoughtful explaination to us. We all appreciate it so much. I’m disappointed to learn that the SAO cannot withhold information unless, as you said, the evidence wouldn’t effect the outcome of her case. And as you say, a very dangerous risk to take, I agree that the State will not gamble.
So how does this have anything to do with the Anthony case? You don’t think there is any exculpatory evidence that the prosecution could be trying to hide. But why mention it here then? (Now I am getting suspicious lol) In other words: They may have? What kind of evidfence could they possibly have that they don’t want the defense and the public to know before trial?
evidence
You know Ina ….. I was wondering myself……
Isn’t it possible, aha!, that Bee’s simply misunderstood what she read because she hasn’t gotten a law degree just yet?
Mr. Sheaffer did a wonderful job explaining it for us all.
Yes Kim …. precisely …. however, it seems far too many here act is thought they did get the juris doctorate…………..
I appreciate the new post and the deserved recognition for Bee’s research. It is my opinion that the State has an strong case even without the “gifts” that Casey has given them and as I said a few weeks ago, I think that the State will come down on the Defense like a Mack truck on a Volkswagen.
(At ease, disease, there’s fungus among us.)
Hats off to Mr. Sheaffer for another great post and kudos to Bees and others who were given honorable mention.
yo hola said, on May 25, 2010 at 11:49 am
Yes Kim …. precisely …. however, it seems far too many here act is thought they did get the juris doctorate…………..
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And just exactly what have you ever added to the conversation here but piss on everyone’s leg and tell us it’s raining out? A more appropriate screen name for you would be A hola. You and Ina sure know how to pour ice water on an otherwise decent conversation.
Thank you for Mr. Sheaffer and Bees Knees for putting such excellent information out there for us to consume.
The reason I brought it up in the first place was because so many people are still hoping for a more concrete link to Casey and I thought I’d found information that said the State could withhold evidence up until close to trial. Something like that ~ I’m not going to go look for it. But I’m glad that Mr. Sheaffer caught it and explained it.
Love the title… Yes indeedy, she is the Bees Knees. This still seems a bit lopsided on the presentation of discovery on the part of the defense. Did I read someplace or hear at one of the hearings tha the defense did NOT have to give the State some of their discovery. How this is fair is beyond me.
“I think that the State will come down on the Defense like a Mack truck on a Volkswagen.” I like your analogy Kalallily.
Thank you Mr. Sheaffer and Bees Knees for putting great information out there for us to consume.
Thanks, Kim. LOL!!!
LOL Ina. What does this have to do with the Anthony case. Bees are you having an Aha moment?
Anytime, Bee’s!!
AHA!!!
Ina, go plant tulips and quit bothering everyone.
It should be about time to cook, shouldn’t it?
Yo hola lol, we seem to have put ice water on a discussion. I don’t see that, do you
Was there a discussion already?
I was just asking what kind of evcidence could the prosecution be hiding then that the defense is not aware of?
Has there ever been a dp case with so little (not to say no) evidence btw?
There’s PLENTY of evidence, most of which is circumstantial, but there have been convictions and death sentences on MUCH less circumstantial evidence than in this case.
evidence.
Really mix, which ones then?
Val has posted that today is:
National Missing Children’s Day.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/05/25/national-missing-childrens-day/
Which ones what? When you’re asking a question, you need to be more specific.
“There’s PLENTY of evidence, most of which is circumstantial, but there have been convictions and death sentences on MUCH less circumstantial evidence than in this case.”
which ones – the convictions and death sentences on MUCH less circumstantial evidence than in this case. Which cases exactly do you mean?
Scott Peterson, for one
I will look it up.
That sounds like a plan
Enjoy
Yes, Kim…that’s the example I was going to give. I’m sure there are more, but I can’t think of any off the top of my head.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Peterson He was convicted for the murder of his wife ánd unborn child. He had a motive, his affair with Amber, but the evidence was only circumstancial as well.
He is still waiting for an appeal? 8 years later. So maybe he will get out after all? Or is the info outdated and has he been killed already?
So this may happen in the Anthony case? It seems there is not even a motive?
He’s NOT going to get out of prison.
And FYI, Florida does not have to prove motive. Brush up on your facts, please.
Good job Bees Knees, and once again Mr. Shaeffer to our rescue to translate what we read. Many times, when reading legal documents or rulings, I think I understand while reading, then, upon reflection, don’t have a clue. As for poor Ina, I think it is almost time for her to go tip toeing through the tulips. They should be close to blooming about now. It seems that many feel that circumstantial is a four letter word. Ina, remember, your average John/Hans does not wait for the committing of a murder to be recorded on tape. Turn off your television, and welcome to the real world of crime. Evidence in a case is most often more reliable than a few eye witnesses, who will probably give different accounts of the same action. Got that from a real FBI agent.
Proof of motive is not required in a criminal prosecution. In determining the guilt of a criminal defendant, courts are generally not concerned with why the defendant committed the alleged crime, but whether the defendant committed the crime. However, a defendant’s motive is important in other stages of a criminal case, such as police investigation and sentencing. Law enforcement personnel often consider potential motives in detecting perpetrators. Judges may consider the motives of a convicted defendant at sentencing and either increase a sentence based on avaricious motives or decrease the sentence if the defendant’s motives were honorable—for example, if the accused acted in defense of a family member.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/motive
I don’t have time to break it down to explain it to you so I guess you are on your own to decipher the meaning
Kudos Bees
So can we assume that the defense hasn’t managed in 2 years to provide any exculpatory evidence on their client’s behalf and the only evidence not yet in the public domain is that deemed too predudicial to Casey Anthony’s right to a fair trial.
Ofcourse we know the Baez Law firm wasnt exactly too keen to fulfill their reciprocal discovery obligations. 275 grand spent… net gain 36 depositions taken and one expert on his witness list.
Now that the State is paying and Perry is at the helm he’s finally decided to put a wiggle on.
I didn’t say they have to prove a motive. I just said at least he had one, apparently. Which is more than they can say about Casey, who so far seems to have none. Or is that what the prosecution is hiding up their sleeves then?
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Thank you so much Kim for your kind gesture
Mix, how or why is he not going out of prison if he wins his appeal?
He’s not going to win his appeal, IMO. And if, by some stretch of the imagination, he does…he might get the death sentence overturned, but I HIGHLY doubt he will have a “get out of jail free” card. It will be LWOP for good ol Scotty boy.
As for Casey, she did have motive, IMO. She hated her mother more than she loved her daughter, her flavor of the month didn’t want girl children, and Casey, by her own admission, is a “spiteful bitch.” Need I say more?
mix: So if you hate your mother, that is a reason to kill your daughter in your opinion. Is that prove? All daughters have problems with their mothers, some worse than others. That is why I am happy to have only sons lol. I don’t think that it would stick as motive in court? Or has that also happened before, that someone was convicted with the dp because she hated her mother and therefore killed her own child?
And just one more ( before I go and watch the eurovision songcontest first semi final which is horrible anyway): If he wins the appeal, why would he have to remain in prison? Thanks for all the info.
Night!
Ina,
I’ll turn that one around on you. So if you have a girlfriend is that a reason to kill your wife an unborn child? Your continued circular logic is ludicrous.
Again – motive does NOT have to be proven in court. All they need to prove without a reasonable doubt is that she did kill Caylee
Journalist : gee I almost missed that reply: Yes I do think that has happened in the past. Have you never heard of a crime passionel? Love can do that. Well not to me lol.
Poland is singing. Ssshh.
UGH. I’m just gonna have to scroll on by those yellow avatar posts, because I’m starting to get irritated.
Very good article indeed, Bill. I have been confused about just the opposite and can’t seem to get an answer from anyone. I remember in watching the OJ pre-trial hearing where they questioned witnesses, etc., that it was stated that the prosecution did not have to reveal everything and turn over everything before the actual trial, so the pre-trial was just for some info that would give the judge an “overview” of what the prosecution had. And they showed enough to the judge that she ordered a trial date.
I know that is Nevada and this is Florida and may be different. I just find it strange that the pros. would have to give everything they have against Casey to the defense before trial. Is there nothing they can keep out of the mix until trial? Also, can you please define “work product” and when it comes into play?
Thank you for your excellent articles and you and Kathi’s informative interviews.
Kath
“UGH. I’m just gonna have to scroll on by those yellow avatar posts, because I’m starting to get irritated.”
No kidding.
Craig will WFTV be posting the state’s response to the defense’s (Kenny Baden) motion re evidence? A few other networks have articles, but it’s much nicer to read the actual motions for ourselves and I’ve found that we can usually count on you guys to post them. Apparently Aston has specified which evidence he feels is covered under discovery rules.
Kath,
Under the work-product doctrine, “tangible material or its intangible equivalent” that is collected or prepared in anticipation of litigation is not discoverable, and may be shielded from discovery by a Protective Order, unless the party seeking discovery can demonstrate that the sought facts can only be obtained through discovery and that those facts are indispensable for impeaching or substantiating a claim. That is, the party unable to obtain the information has no other means of obtaining the information without undue hardship.
The work-product doctrine is more inclusive than attorney-client privilege. Unlike the attorney-client privilege, which includes only communications between an attorney and the client, work-product includes materials prepared by persons other than the attorney him/her self: The materials may have been prepared by anybody as long as they were prepared with an eye towards the realistic possibility of impending litigation. Additionally, it includes materials collected for the attorney such as interrogatories, signed statements, other information acquired for the prosecution or defense of a case, “memoranda, briefs, communications . . . other writings prepared by counsel for his/her own use in prosecuting the client’s case . . . mental impressions, conclusions, opinions, or legal theories.”
However, the work-product doctrine is also less powerful than the attorney-client privilege because it is not a privilege, and therefore may be overcome by a showing of necessity, as described above.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney_work_product
Bees Knees, ( I knew you were a smart lady! ) Good 4 You!
Thanks for posing a very good question for all of us wondering the same thing. Can the state hold out on evidence? Like you, I was hoping the prosecution had more.
I have to admit I’m still on the fence because of lack or motive and lack of physical evidence. I was hoping for so much more when Caylee was finally found. I’m disappointed.
Now, I’m looking @ this case differently. I know I’ve been berated for not going along with the majority (by a few) but unless the state has a new and improved motive, I think the jury will have a tough time.
Does anyone know if the jury could come back with a lesser verdict besides Murder One?
I am just going to have to scroll on by because I am getting irritated at all the knowledgeable comments here and I can’t even begin to make heads or tails of this case.
I swear I read it all and am still nowhere. LOL PS yes, i think the jury could very well
come back with a lesser verdict than Murder One, if what I think is going to happen happens. You know, I can’t expect the jury to finalize this case as i think I would LIKE it
to be, that is just me reaching for straws.
Ina, Scott Peterson’s case had very little evidence, it was all circumstantial. Lacy & Conner were identified by DNA. The narcissistic murderer sits on death row, there are plenty of cases with less evidence that KC’s, it would require you to do the research, most of us are familiar with other cases. If your asking the question, then do your homework.
Outstanding article Mr. Sheaffer & thanks BEES KNEES for your contribution. I keep waiting & waiting for the Defense to reciprocate, wonder when that is going to happen.
Hey Bee’s! Can I have your autograph? LOL!
Great that you prompted B. Scheaffer to respond. I was always wondering if there would be a “smoking gun” moment from the prosecution.
Regarding reciprocal discovery: Where is the defense’s evidence that show’s Casey is innocent?? Where is their evidence? You would think in almost 2 years since Caylee was murdered they would produce something already. Sounds to me that they got nuthin’.
Great conversation the past week here on BS blog.
Critter, they say when you sit on a jury every single day, look at murdered victims photos & all the crime scene photos, it is a lot different than us reading or watching it on TV. I understand that, though I will follow this case everyday in Court, I wouldn’t want to have the burden to see Caylee’s little skull with the duct tape, it is overwhelming sad. imo, KC will get the DP, or LWOP.
COULD the jury come back with a lesser charge if it is not offered? I don’t think it can. Isn’t this somewhat of an all or nothing case? -Murder One- and the lesser charges of false statments and child abuse. I CANNOT see a jury only convicting her on aggravated child abuse.
Thank you Mr. Sheaffer! I guess we can logically assume that since the defense has not offered up that evidence of her innocence, there is none. Imagine that!
Seems that way to me frankie.
Oh, JB & Linda, you both know I’m really not that bright. Who other than Bill Sheaffer could be diplomatic and charming enough to tell you that you’re wrong but make you feel good while he’s doing it? Ha ha ha . . . but yeah, we’re all happy to understand that situation now with regards to evidence.
Bee’s!! The lady of the hour!!
Beesknees
May I have your autograph? just kidding you go girl. Just a fellow blinker proud to see you made a great comment and got a great answer
I was wondering if she wanted a bath drawn and champagne poured
Bill shaeffer
is one of my heroes reason being!
he is a man of integrity and great wisdom. He has handles attacks from others with dignity.
Love Mr. shaeffer and respect him totaly !
ditto chica
Oh, you guys are hilarious!!! Chica, that’s right! He’s def. one of Caylee’s angels.
Thanks so much Journalist… for your answer and for the link. It’s always confused me concerning what work product really is and what can the prosecution keep back from Discovery and why.
I understood you just fine.
I’m also going to read at the site and again, thanks!
Kath
Scrolling on by means not stopping to comment that one is scrolling on by.
Once once stops to post the comment: example:
mixologist74 said, on May 25, 2010 at 2:48 pm
“UGH. I’m just gonna have to scroll on by those yellow avatar posts, because I’m starting to get irritated.”
You are no longer scrolling, you are commenting.
Have you ever considered an alternate viewpoint might add a bit of education to your ridgid, puritanical thought process, Mixologist?
The world is full of differing viewpoints; perhaps you should expand your horizons rather than vent your irritation upon this blog.
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YaY for BEES!
Thanks Mr. Schaeffer for a very interesting blog.
Journalist
I also appreciate the link . That is something I have been confused about also. Off to read and hopefully understand the info.
Way to go Bees and everyone that got their name mentioned by Mr.Shaffer.
Thanks moderator Craig for still hanging in there with us, and Thank you too Mr.Sheaffer.
To me i continue to keep this case simple by sticking with Casey’s facts she told detectives in the first days of her arrest and Casey did put her John Henry it was true in her own handwriting.
One big FACT, there is a body and we know who the body is.
Hi kim. mix and baby too.
Well hello Knight Owl
Goodmorning. Just to see if I got it right:
So we can agree on the fact that because no one else has been found to fit the description of killer, and no one likes Casey, Casey looks like the person who did the killing of Caylee; as she lied a lot, no one knows what happened to Caylee since June 16 till she was found in December really, but as we don’t know why (jealous of Cindy?? ), where ( Anthony’s house? Some friends house? Somewhere else? ) how (hit on the head, tape on the mouth, poison, drowning…), when,(somewhere between June 16 and when she was actually found, or when Casey was put in jail) a lot of other outcomes are possible of course. The anger of people wanting to blame the entire Anthony family is something I don’t think is fair to that family at all, until those people are proven criminals in this case?
There are questions not really answered. For instance: Could it have been a cover up of a natural dead, the tape used to prevent the head from yawning? In Florida, you are not doing anything illegal if you don’t report a dead body. I suppose it is illegal to dump a dead body? I don’t think this happened, but who can tell but the person who left Caylee there? Not we.
Is the fact there is so little known about the circumstances of Caylees dead, not reason to say: there is doubt? Even though Casey told lies, there could be a different killer?
Won’t judge Perry, or, the Supreme Court judge say :
When in doubt, don’t kill? When in doubt, release? Scott Petersen still is alive, waiting for an appeal? And he at least had a sort of motive to get rid of his wife.
“The death penalty would be sought only in the “worst of the worst” murders, the report said: torture murders, political terrorism murders, murders of police officers or others in the criminal justice system, and murders of multiple victims.” Somehow I don’t see murderers of a child here, but i saw that elsewhere, must be in the Florida law.
“The physical evidence required would have to “strongly corroborate the defendant’s guilt,” connecting the defendant either to “the crime scene, the murder weapon or the victim’s body.” An independent board would review the scientific evidence.” This from http://www.truthinjustice.org/MA-dp.htm The new York Times.
It is not about Florida, but still the USA. I would love to know what (a) lawyer(s) in Florida think about this article, and that it seems a different view than what the Florida law says. Why is Justice so different in different states of the same country? And how do they/does he feel about a suspect getting 2 trials in a dp case (I think it says here). I don’t think they mean the appeals?
Thanks
And art, I always ‘do my homework,’ but it is not part of my homework to know about law and lawcases, that is why this blog is here, to ask? I am just a novel writer, not a journalist with a legal background and I never pretended to know anything about the American law system or have the time to read a lot online. I have to find info where ever I can.
You know Ina, I do not think you are here to cause trouble, some people seem very
annoyed with you and I can’t figure it out other than you kinda burst their bubbles. I mean most have it all set in their heads exactly what happened, where and why. It is all
so intense and so involved that I am can not possible come to a positive conclusion.
I also do not think you are here to put down our USA. I also can not understand why as a country, different states have different laws about the death penalty, it makes no sense to me at all. As a country have it or don’t have it. However true it is when they say you should involve yourself with the wrongs of your own country, I do see and appreciate your inquisitiveness on the subject of this particular case. You take a beating in here most of the time quite graciously, and you do not always get the answers you are looking for simply because there are no answers. The real FACTS of this case are few, the rest is speculation and or circumstantial evidence, so as long as the circumstantial does not change to positive, without a doubt, I believe there is room for
many thoughts on most all you present for discussion, unfortunately there may be only
one or two of us who think that way. I have learned from your trials here that it would
do no good for me to even bring up some things that really come to mind and I would
like discussion. I won’t because some apple carts get tipped and for myself it is not worth it. As a writer you are no doubt geared to study all aspects of a subject and I think that is good. The mystery to this whole murder case, unfortunately of a precious
unprotected child, will probably never entirely be solved, no matter who is punished for
it and what that punishment might come to be. I am not a hangman, I believe in allowing whatever approach our judicial system uses in whatever state a trial is held,
that it is finished with appropriate justice to reap what is right for Caylee.
In here it makes no sense to talk about the wrongs of my country I think, so that is why I save that for other places
These prosecutors seem extremely confident that they can prove this was an act of cold, calculated, premeditated murder and to that end, I have to believe they have significant proof of such, therefore, I think it’s not unreasonable to believe certain evidence HAS indeed been held back from public view.
As others have said, the sunshine laws allow provision for redacting or with holding information from the public, IF it is deemed too predudicial to a defendant’s right to a fair trial. It also can be used to protect witnesses.
Im not talking smoking gun. The fact that Caylee was likely completely skeletonised approx two weeks after death and that Deputy Cain and others f*cked up allowed the rains and standing water to obliterate trace evidence. So either by luck or by stealth Casey probably didnt leave her dna or prints behind.
I’m thinking more about witness statements and the scant nature of the computer forensics report. We do know that some search history was deleted by someone in the Anthony house as the chloroform search was found in the unallocated space and we know that Linda Drane Burdick specifically asked Cindy Anthony during her deposition if prior to Caylee going missing , she had ever searched or indeed taken an interest in missing children websites. And thanks to JWG of Websleuths and Hinky Meter ,we know Cindy was lying when she said she searched for chlorophil.
I find it very difficult to believe that Mark Hawkins has not been questioned during this investigation, given Casey was communicating with him during the crucial 30 days. Yet no interview has been released to the public. Another example is Lee Anthony’s FBI interview which was back in the day, when he was still being fairly forthright with investigators.
Unhappily for Casey Anthony it seems in 2 years, her defense team has not been able to provide evidence that would help to exonerate her,that pesky Zanny and her gang are still on the lam. Ofcourse they did publically trash Roy Kronk, claiming on national TV that, he should have been investigated as a suspect. Funny how duct tape takes on such a sinister connotation when talking of Roy Kronk, yet when its wrapped
lol
around a baby’s tiny airways Lyon says we should pay it no mind.
However the “motion in limine” to allow evidence of Kronk’s so called “previous bad acts” seems to be losing steam. Those people who originally seemed happy to defame him to PI Mort Smith don’t seem so keen to give sworn depositions to the State. I think LDB called it “stonewalling”.
Its my own view that Mason would like to plead this out, but ultimately, Casey is still in the driving seat.
So much can happen in a year.
AJMHO
ajmho
jillycomelately, I wholeheartedly agree with your comment. Perhaps the reason the ridiculous accusations of Kronk have lost steam is that of one of Kronk’s former ex-wives, Jill Kerley, who was only married to Kronk a short period of time, is that Jill Kerley is a CONVICTED FELON! Not only is she a “convicted felon,” she has lost her nursing license due to “writing herself her own prescriptions.” The DEFENSE is so busy trying to blame anyone other than KC, they FORGOT to VET their witness. Mr. Sheaffer said that J Kerley CAN be ask about prior convictions if on the witness stand.
KC Anthony + Jill Kerley = 2 CONVICTED FELONS
imo, we are all seeking every bit of CREDITABLE information we can digest, I am certainly OPEN to any & all creditable facts the Defense CAN put forth, but sadly, they haven’t done so. Ina has said many times that there isn’t a “motive.” Perhaps, IN your OPINION there isn’t a motive, the STATE doesn’t have to prove “motive,” but, imo, KC was tired of being a mother, she was sick to death of her mother constantly complaining about taking care of Caylee, paying for Caylee, she wanted to live La BellaVita & couldn’t because she had Caylee in tow. Repeatedly, analyst such as Jeannie Pirro have said that “KC didn’t want the responsibility of taking care of Caylee,” is motive enough, after all, she was a Judge for over 25 years & has tried many murder cases. Ina, I accept your opinion that YOU don’t think there is a MOTIVE, but, Legal Analyst don’t agree with you, they are the experts, they are the ones that try these cases in Court. I have NO doubt as to the motive of KC Anthony, the pictures tell a story themselves of the fun & attention she was seeking, sadly it didn’t include Caylee. CA should HAVE NEVER demanded KC have a child she didn’t want, the results have been tragic & destroyed their family. Perhaps CA might have thought that KC would mature, but sadly, it appears that KC “hates her parent’s, especially CA, accusing GA & Lee of sexual abuse,” good grief, & KC said she is a VICTIM in a Jail Video.
Ina, you have said “at least Scott Peterson had motive” but did you realize that he had only seen Amber Frey a little over a month? Men have AFFAIRS all the time during their marriages, sadly, Amber wasn’t the 1st woman Scott had an affair with, he too, wanted La Bella Vita, just like KC!
Jilly, I agree too, that Mason & probably Lyon’s would like to plead this out as it gets closer to trial, imo, they will continue to “bilk this case” for all the publicity they can & then claim “they were afraid KC would get the DP.” Many analyst have suggested that if KC had a “seasoned Criminal Defense Attorney,” such as T Lenamon, this case would have been over a long time ago. Sadly, imo, the 3 yr. attorney told KC that all l they had to do was create “reasonable doubt,” but I guess the day they taught in Law School, Baez was absent!
BINGO, Ina. In the USA, if NO ONE likes ya, you will charged with murder!! And NOPE no one else fits Casey’s description of the imaginary Nanny killer.
I don’t know if it is like this where you come from, but if someone dies of natural causes we here in America and I believe in most countries, when someone dies of natural causes, you do not dump the dead body in the woods. We here in the USA and I think, elsewhere around the world ,there is a funeral and the body is in a coffin and then buried in a cemetary….We cry for our deceased loved ones and honor them by NOT dumping their dead bodies in the woods….
And I don’t know about you or anyone else, but when I yawn, I just go with it. No need for me or anyone else to place duct tape areound my face to stop my “head” from yawning. LOL. And BTW, dead people, even children, do not yawn when they are dead.
A jury will decide her guilt or innocence, based on what the prosecution points to as her guilt and what the defense points to as to her innocence. Then they will decide DP or LWOP.
AND murdering your child IS the “worst of the worst”.
Please. Are you as glib as you are trying to portray yourself? Your motivations for your comments and questions do not ring sincere.
One more thing….100% of the time, if there is a dead body in the woods, in a garbage bag, that deceased person or child was murdered.
Hi art tart. I would imagine that pleading guilty has come up many times with Casey. I believe she will never admit she killed Caylee. I think she is steadfastly claiming the Nanny did it story. Ultimately she is in control of pleading guilty.
I do however, find it amazing that she would gamble with ther own life, so sure she will be found innocent by virtue of her SAYING she is innocent.
What Casey doesnt seem realize is there will NOT be a jury box filled with Cindy and George Anthony look-alikes!
Scott Peterson is a great example and so is Diane Downs.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row there are 138 people there who were released after they got the dp. Sometimes it took years. maybe this will happen to Casey as well, we don’t know.
“This notion of innocence, that an individual is innocent unless proven guilty, is a bedrock principle of our constitution and our societal protection against abusive state power. One does not lose the status of innocence merely because a prosecutor or other individuals retain a suspicion of guilt. Of course, it is true that this list makes no god-like determination of knowing exactly what happened in the original crime. Such perfect knowledge of past events is impossible, either to absolutely prove that a person did or did not do an act. We do not try to make a subjective judgment of what we think happened in the crime. We are merely reporting that in a great many cases the justice system convicted an individual and sentenced them to death, but when the process that arrived at that conclusion was reviewed, the conviction and sentence were thrown out. The individual, who often came close to execution, could not even be convicted of a traffic violation. Surely, that should be a cause of concern in applying the death penalty.”
from that same link.
Hi art tart
I think part of the fascination about this is the very fact that we cannot find any motive, or reconcile in any way, extinguishing the life of an innocent defenseless child. The fact that the child is your own seems to make it even more incomprehensible.
The circumstances around Casey’s pregnancy are weird to say the least, she was in
, it just beggars belief. And we dont seem to have heard from any friends about this specific period. Were they not around, was Casey in some sort of self imposed recluse. She abdicated financial responsibility for Caylee from the day she had her. No claim for social security benefits or from the father, yet she felt no shame about letting her cash strapped parents take on the financial burden. Babies cost money and its evident Cindy and George whilst living beyond their means, spent lots of money on clothes and material things for their grandchild. When Casey’s stealing got out of control, life in that house must have been absolutely hellish. One can only imagine the fights and harsh words that were exchanged and often little Caylee would imo have been used as a pawn between Cindy and Casey.
her third trimester of pregnancy before she or anyone in her family confronted the situation and then we hear the matriarch of the household was a registered nurse
FWIW, I dont think Casey Anthony ever bonded with Caylee as a mother bonds with a child. I think she came to see her as a rival for her parent’s affections. And whilst Casey is not insane and knows right from wrong, she certainly displayed signs of mental illness, in addition to personality disorders such as narcisism and sociopathy.
I think the Kronk motion will ultimatley be denied and for the reasons you state. The woman who seems to be saying the worst things about him is not credible due to her criminal and mental health history. She was married to the guy for 4 months, over 20 years ago. She spent time in jail and her own mother claims she is bi-polar. Back to the drawing board for the defense.
As you rightly mention, the State dont have to provide a motive. It doesnt mean jack sh*t as to her guilt or innocence, just as the punishment she may face is irrelevant as to the charges on the endictment.Those charges were based on considerable circumstantial evidence and hindering an investigation. They were not based on the ultimate punishment the State of Florida might or might not impose.
For those that claim conspiracy or that there is NO evidence against Casey Anthony, I personally render their opinions worthless of my time. lol. Generally these people consistently hit and run, they refuse to debate known facts or choose go off on tangents discussing the rights or wrongs of captial punishment or how American States operate autonomous judicial systems. These subjects might be worthy of discussion but should be taken to an appropriate blog/forum. They have nothing to do with whether this girl did or did not kill her child. I have my own view on the DP but I dont believe the subject should be monopolised erroneously on this blog to gain attention or promote a personal political cause. I have no problem in debating Casey’s guilt or innocence with anyone who brings a modicum of logic with their arguments, however when someone continues to merely throw out bizarre what ifs and illogical ridiculous comments e.g perhaps this child died of natural causes, my troll alert button gets pushed. Internet trolls are abundant and they get off on attention, so I choose not to respond to them by name or directly. The scroll option is the only option imho.
Sorry about long post….needed to vent a little
IMO the attys and casey all know she is not going to beat this charge. The attys are milking the case for every $$$ they can get and, after all, 33rd Street is more comfortable than Lowell !!
@Critter: FYI: Ina’s posts have never burst my bubble. IMO there has been no reasonable points made in her posts. If you have read here very long, you will see that her questions have been answered time and time again, only to spring up a week or so later with absolutely no reference to the factual responses given. Somehow, the logic of a reason of Scott Peterson murdering his wife so that he could pursue a month long affair escapes me. And that is just one example of this total inanity of her thought processes. Just my opinion, you may certainly pursue your own thoughts. However, the inescapable FACT is that this is being tried in Florida, USA, subject to our laws. I am certain that Ina doesn’t want the flaws in the Netherland justice system discussed her, yet she feels free to demean the laws of the USA…hmmmm imagine that!
@ jillycomelately said, on May 26, 2010 at 9:36 am
Excellent post. I particularly agree with the bonding between casey and Caylee, actually the lack thereof. My daughter had a good friend when she was a teenager. The girl had a child while still in high school and my daughter was overly involved with the girl and her child. I finally sat her down and talked to her about the bonding that needs to take place between a mother and her child. Part of that bonding is the mother caring for the child’s needs. If someone interferes, such as a grandmother, the bond does not form and the child and mother never fully develop the relationship. Such was the case with my daughters friend, even though I stopped her from interfering. The girl lived at home wit her mother and father. The child is now in high school and lives with her grandparents, her mother having moved on to another marriage with children she actually raises.
Here is another thing I question. It is said that casey erased thousands of pictures of Caylee from her photo bucket account just before she was arrested the first time. Caylee was, at that time, supposedly “missing” and casey wasn’t overly concerned for her safety. Knowing the propensity of the anthonys to sell everything related to Caylee, WHY did this mother erase thousands of photos of her missing child? Shouldn’t she have cherished every single one of them? Shouldn’t she have provided thousands of photos to anyone who would publish them in an effort to get them out there in the public to find Caylee? WHAT did those photos show that casey didn’t want anyone to see? Given the photos that have been made public, how could those photos have been worse?
And if the defense withholds evidence that could implicate their client? What then? We have all heard speculation that when Dominic Casey and Jim Hoover were searching for Caylee that they were supposedly told not to report the body if found. Who told them to search that area and why. Were they instructed not to call police if they found the body? Where did that rumor come from? And who was he on the phone with. If this is information that could be damaging to the defendent is the defense obligated to share?
@cyn: Yes they are when they agreed to Discovery I believe: (quoted from above article by Mr. Sheaffer)
“The general rule in Florida is, pretty much without exception, when the Defense files its Notice of Intent to Participate in Discovery, pursuant to the Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure, both the State and the Defense are then obligated to timely provide all evidence in the possession of each, to one another, as set forth and defined by Rule 3.220 Fla. R. Crim.P. This duty to disclose is ongoing, up to commencement of trial. If either party breaches that duty, the Court has a broad range of sanctions it can impose on the offending partying, including, but not limited to, exclusion at trial of the witness or evidence not properly disclosed. ”
At least that is my understanding of the article. They chose to participate so they are bound as is the State by the Rules.
Mr. Sheaffer,
Thank you so very much for another great article!!! You are great!!!
I am not sure I trust JB, remember when KC was telling Tracy she was going for a mistrial. One thing I am sure, KC after being convicted, she will say she had been misrepresented by JB after all of his National Media tour did nothing but make KC looks more guilty than ever. Why would JB care? In my opinion he knows he will be free and KC locked for the rest of her life. That’s the way I see it.
FRG: I share your concern that she will scream ineffectiveness of counsel when she is convicted. I THINK Judge Strickland may have foreseen that as well and that is why he said she had to be at every hearing. Judge Perry amended that to say she doesn’t have to be at status hearings, but she does have to be at all others. Maybe that will prevent her from using that strategy to avoid punishment for her evil deeds.
” These subjects might be worthy of discussion but should be taken to an appropriate blog/forum. They have nothing to do with whether this girl did or did not kill her child. ”
Pardon, this is a blog about the law and the Anthony case, so this is the apporpiate blog. If not, I trust Craig will say so.
Calling people who burst your bublbes trolls, is getting old.
appropriate. I can say it, just not spell it?
frankie
That story about your daughter’s friend resonates with me too. I have a friend who
has more of a sibling like relationship with her 20 year old daughter. The circumstances were that grandmother , although a good hearted soul was a strong character and took over rearing the child. It was her way or the highway , if you lived under her roof you lived by her rules. My friend was not in a financial position to rebel. and she didnt see the potential problems that followed. However, unlike Casey she went back to school, got qualifed as a midwife and supported her child financially. Today her daugter is alive and well and attending University. The family are happy if not exactly conventional.
As I posted upthread, I have a hunch the computer forensic report could hold some potential “oh my god” searches or even deleted word docs. We know Casey likes to write.
Jeez, I forgot about the photos that were deleted and yep you’re right why would you? But according to Lee, she (or Zanny
) also deleted e mails and myspace comments right around the time Cindy had her epiphany and sent him out searching.
JWG from websleuths and hinky claims someone deleted a large number of files
from the desktop around 16th July, the day she was arrested. Sorry I forget how he came by this information. Perhaps Val might drop by and give us some further info on it.
“…both the State and the Defense are then obligated to timely provide all evidence in the possession of each, to one another, ” does that mean if the defense has proof Casey did it ( a confession?), they have to give that as evidence also? Does that not conflict with the confidentilality between a defender and his client?
Repeat after me – ignore the yellow squared head
ignore the yellow squared head
ignore the yellow squared head
it’s for the health and welfare of this blog!
That was a good question Ina, but I do not have the answer. I THINK any decent attorney would not allow his client to confess to him, but in the event she did, I would think he would not be obligated to divulge that info. At least, andrea lyons did not do so, even though the man was NOT her client. She allowed an innocent man to sit in prison for 27 YEARS!!!!!
Jilly: Yep..they are more like siblings….That is how I think casey viewed Caylee. I think she saw her more as a pesky little sister that she was forced to drag along with her.
Some thoughts…Yes, you are correct. I have said that to myself as well. But you can see how that worked out for me……..
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So, if we haven’t seen any reciprocal discovery from the defense, in over two years, shall we conclude that the defense does not have any evidence whatsovever to prove Casey’s innocence? Will they come up with ANYTHING in the next year???
SomeThoughts said, on May 26, 2010 at 11:20 am
Ditto
after it resorts to taking sentences out of context, it comes up with a Oh, Im such a dumbass ……as if attorney client privelege were a novel idea.
LNY: That’s how I read it too! LOL I wonder what happened to the imaginary picture of the imaginanny that the ants claimed to have? I also wonder what happened to the “proof” the mackalooloo supposedly was bringing to court in Feb? Maybe he lost it when he was fighting to keep his law license? Where is the information that bozo said he would offer at trial that would give us all that special “ah ha” moment? I keep waiting!
And you would think george would have come forward with the names of his “people” that were watching the “kidnappers” when Caylee was “missing”. Those “people” should be able to give us all a description of the “kidnappers” since they were watching them! Of course, you would think that casey would offer up a complete description of all participants in this melodrama!
Bees! Thanks for getting this question up front and center so we now have an explanation, there was always the change that the one piece of duct tape, had a print on it, because the way the report read, a print was not excluded on this particular piece.
Thanks for the article and explanation, Mr. Schaeffer. IF there is inculpatory evidence, and we have not seen all the evidence, would the state be able to hold off a ‘smoking gun’ in the form of a print for some time, and what would be the purpose? Or was the report failure to say test results were negative for any fingerprint, just in that reports wording and we can assume no print exists? It may help the defense to have this story out there, then failure to produce because there is no evidence in this case, something they have said all along. (right!)
LindaNewYork said, on May 26, 2010 at 11:29 am
Some thoughts…Yes, you are correct. I have said that to myself as well. But you can see how that worked out for me……..
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So, if we haven’t seen any reciprocal discovery from the defense, in over two years, shall we conclude that the defense does not have any evidence whatsovever to prove Casey’s innocence? Will they come up with ANYTHING in the next year???
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Linda
They could use Dutch logic and bring a motion for dismissal because the USA chooses to arrest and charge citizens it suspects of murder and if its within a State that imposes the death penalty, they could ask for dismissal plus jam on top.
You guys should check out The Hinky Meter. Val has a post up about the DNA found on the duct tape covering Caylee’s mouth and nose. That alelle 17 shows up on the tape AND the shovel. If the defense tries to use the partial DNA from the tape that SODDI, then the state can use the returns from the shovel to connect the dots???
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/05/26/compiled-dna-data/
Val explains what I am trying to say. LOL It’s like the 11th comment.
Sunny: I read that and it was so clear the way Val explains it, I even understood it!
Jilly: with jam on top! LOVE IT!! LOL You forgot the well known phenomenon of perfectly healthy, never been sick children suddenly walking into the woods, wrapping duct tape around their mouths to keep from yawning, jumping into a couple of trash bags AND a laundry bag so said child could die a natural death! This happens on a daily basis worldwide but the “ugly Americans” choose to accuse an innocent young mother and brutally kill her.
jillycomelately said, on May 26, 2010 at 11:48 am
LOL, LOL, LOL! Spit my water out in laughter on that one.
To those looking for a motive, when a person is consumed in a blind rage their thinking process is as well consumed, the motive at that moment may not be reflected in the past or future .
At that exact moment in time they are lashing out, and any victim will do.
If we are to believe the reports of the violent fight Casey had with Cindy that night, we can assume she left that house in anger, resentment, and possibly fear.
If Caylee was crying, which is very likely if she witnessed the fight, that would add to Casey’s anger.
If Cindy threatened once again to take Caylee and throw Casey out into the streets of Orlando, is it not reasonable to think Casey saw that as yet another attack, now if Caylee was having a screaming fit and crying for her CeCe, is it not reasonable to see Casey turning her rage and resentment on her child?
She saw her mother betraying her in favor of Caylee, she saw Caylee betraying her in favor of Cindy, can you not see Casey pulling that car over and attacking the object of her resentment?
Can you not see her thinking she would not allow this betrayal, she would not allow Cindy to have her way, she did not want this kid anyway, she wanted to give her up, Cindy forced her to keep the little snot head, Now Cindy wanted to throw her out and keep this kid in her place, NO WAY!!
Every time she looked in the rear view mirror and saw that face, every scream from Caylees mouth ripped through her head, she pulls over gets the duct tape from the trunk, she’ll shut her up!!
She rips off piece after piece, and pushes it tightly first across her mouth, then across her nose, and yet another piece to make sure it holds, she then rips Caylee from her car seat and throws her into the trunk.
After her anger has passed, she goes to the trunk, and finds her daughter dead.
Now, not knowing what to do, she closes the trunk and decides “Oh Well, nothing I can do now”, she goes to Tony’s they rent movies and her life finally free of obligations, she parties, one day at a time, until she is trapped.
Late to the article. Nicely done, Bees! And many thanks Bill.
How many cold blooded killer’s are gonna stand up and say, hello idiot’s this was my motive and by the way i taped the whole blooming murder so i could give it to the police when they arrest me.
Judy: That is my theory….I am just not as eloquent as you are. Mental picture
knight owl said, on May 26, 2010 at 12:10 pm : yep….But even if one did, there would be those that would claim their very confession was a clear sign of their mental instability and would push for acquittal! john couey confessed to the murder of Jessica Lunsford and his attorney tried to get him off because he was borderline retarded!! He was smart enough to brutally kidnap, rape, torture and bury a little girl alive! But, alas, he was convicted and sentenced to death.
from fox news:
“A Miami jury convicted Couey in March of taking the girl from her bedroom to his nearby trailer in 2005, where he raped her and buried her alive.
Defense experts testified that Couey is mentally impaired, suffers from longstanding mental illness and was a chronic drug and alcohol abuser. He was also abused by the boyfriend of his mother, who was 16 at the time he was born, they said. Defense lawyers used these “mitigating” factors in an effort to save Couey from the death penalty and instead, life in prison without the possibility of parole.
The court found that Couey is not mentally retarded but has a personality disorder and suffers from paranoia, Howard said.
Jurors recommended a death sentence. Couey said he believed he would be sentenced to death, according to a jail recording with his aunt.
Jessica’s killing prompted Florida and a number of other states to pass new laws cracking down on sex offenders and to improve tracking of them through databases and satellite positioning devices”
And yet there are those who claim they cannot understand why the State wants to “murder” these monsters!
Judy Pc, yep, your exactly correct on your 12:22 post. Some just refuse to get the common sense logic of this case and further refuse to see or believe what they read from LE, fBi, Jan Garavaglia medical examiner, and State Prosecutor’s in this case that is like Dr.Phil would say is not their first rodeo. makes me down right nuts at times.
Judy PC your 12:27 post right on . Makes perfect logical sense to me.
Judy, i definitely believe Casey and Cindy were in a fight the nite of the 15th as for one HUGE reason, why would Lee Anthony their son say Cindy and casey were and that Cindy was choking Casey? It makes no logic for Lee to have made that up but it makes perfect logic as to why Cindy is now lieing about it to all of us that can put two and two together and come up with four.
frankie said, on May 26, 2010 at 11:21 am
That was a good question Ina, but I do not have the answer. I THINK any decent attorney would not allow his client to confess to him, but in the event she did, I would think he would not be obligated to divulge that info. At least, andrea lyons did not do so, even though the man was NOT her client. She allowed an innocent man to sit in prison for 27 YEARS!!!!!
Jilly: Yep..they are more like siblings….That is how I think casey viewed Caylee. I think she saw her more as a pesky little sister that she was forced to drag along with her.
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Frankie, If Casey has told Baez that she is guilty, he must keep that as Attorney Client Privilege and does not have to divulge that to anyone. However, if he puts her on the stand and asks her if she committed the crime and she says no, Baez would be suborning perjury. If he asks her any other question of which he knows the truth to and she lies, that is also subornation. It is applied to an attorney who presents testimony or an affidavit the attorney knows is materially false to a judge or jury as if it were factual. It would be a disaster for Baez if Casey were to testify.
Subornation of perjury is a crime punishable by a fine of $2000.00 and up to five years imprisonment and disbarment in the case of an attorney.
I think people get to caught up in trying to make sense of a senseless act, they need to have a reason, when the simple truth is in the case of murder, there is often no reason, other than what the person committing the crime has in their mind at that moment.
I think much of this case only needs basic common sense applied to what we do know to be the facts, Casey is not that brainy,
The chloroform searches, I feel were not being done as a murder plot, but as a control plot, she was going to, or had used it as a way to put Caylee out, when she wanted her to be out of the way.
Perhaps she even used it the night she murdered Caylee, soaked a rag in it stuck it to her face, then tapped her to make sure she would remain silent.
To me it just seems more plausible that she acted out of rage that night, and her actions afterwards was just Casey taking it one day at a time until the clock ran out on her, she was going to have the time of her life while she could.
And she thought she could control her parents as she had in the past, Cindy made the one mistake Casey could not cover, she called 911.
Then she was faced with people she could not bull-shi-t her way around.
She prob never figured they would check on things like her job, and she I think knew the apt she sent them to was empty, as she had friends there, she just did not count on the police “NOT” taking her word for everything, her family had made it easy for Casey to believe she was an accomplished liar, after all they never took the time to check out her stories.
She honestly thought she could bat her eyes, and weave a story to L.E. and they would swallow it hook line and sinker, she had to be in shock when she was faced with her lies and they knocked each one of them down.
She had never been nailed to the wall before, suddenly she was face to face with the hard core truth and she was at a loss.
Do you guys remember Cindy talking about the two dogs that died (i think if my memory is correct the dogs were cocker spaniel’s) and Cindy was puzzled as to what killed them . I wonder if Casey used Chloroform on these dogs to test out how much to use on Caylee and that is what killed them. My cat Louie is a regular size cat and he is not overweight or too fat looking but he weighted in at the vet’s at 11 lbs, so how much compared to Caylee’s weight as a two and a half year old be to the weight of a cocker spaniel? We will never know but boy i sure wish those dogs could have been autopsied.
Journalist: I think her question was that since the defense must provide discovery just like the State does, would the defense then have to provide the State with any confession. At least, I THINK that is what she was asking. LOL I much appreciate your response.
There has been discussions previously whether or not casey has confessed to bozo. I understood from those discussion that he could not knowingly swear to his client’s innocence if indeed she had told him she had killed her daughter. That theoretically, was why he does not state his client is innocent, he says instead that they she will be found not guilty.
Judy: I think there was a fight that night. cindy was with Caylee and Ms. Plesea all day. Surely, between the two people that casey misused the most, one of them told cindy what casey had been up to and cindy went off on casey. cindy can try and paint her picture perfect life all she wants….I don’t buy it. No way would things be perfect at my house if my adult daughter refused to work, lived at home, I supported her and her child, she lied to me and stole from me and my aged parents all while I was the sole support of her and her sorry dad! Nope, things would not be rosy at home. They would all get the boot with the exception of the child….and that adult daughter would have stepped in a world of ca-ca if she even thought of taking the baby out of my home. AND…..I am a nicer person than cindy!
knight owl: OOHHH I wonder about that now…when did the dog die? Hmmmm…
I keep wondering why casey would go to so much trouble with chloroform? The only reason I can come up with to use chloroform as opposed to a more easily obtained knock out drug is that she needed her asleep on a moments notice….otherwise, why not just give her a zanny or other street drug?
I think you’ve almost got it but not quite Judy.
Rear view mirror check.
Wander and to save gas stop in big empty dark parkinglot.
Mosquitos.
Sultry hot and not one buck to go anywhere.
If it weren’t for Caylee she could be with the fun people.
Caylee crying in car seat.
Duct Tape.
There seems to be SO much discovery information missing in the form of investigation interviews. We have a few Casey police interviews but are these all there is? Casey said in a jail phone call, talking to Kristina Chester, that she’d just got back to the jail in the evening after being with police for hours, that’s just one example.
What about investigation interviews of other people who knew Caylee, were involved in her life or were close to the Anthony family when Caylee was alive and once she was known to be missing, such as Mrs. Deborah (?) Grund, Mallory Parker, Holly Gagne (who claims to have babysat Caylee).
Is any of this discoverable and if so, only if exculpatory? Does the state’s witness list suffice and put the responsiblity on the defense to do the work to find out what information they offer?
Hi Kleat,
It is very possible we may never see interviews by the State for Mallory, Holy or Mrs. Grund, as they may have absolutely nothing to offer as evidence in relation to Caylee’s homicide, thus, they may never be called on as witnesses in court. Alternately, I wouldn’t be shocked at all if the defense called any of them as character or mitigation witnesses during the trial phase. Holly & Mallory might testify that KC was a good mother. Mrs. Grund might speak tot he relationship between KC & her Mom, especially right after Caylee was born.
If they have no relevant communications with Casey during May/June 08, I doubt they’d be called as witnesses, therefore, we won’t see interviews.
TE: I see what you are saying that we may not see them at trial, but wouldn’t they still be released in the investigative documents or are you saying that only the information that the State plans on using at trial is released?
cyn, if the Defense has someone listed as a “witness,” Such as ANYONE of their experts, the DEFENSE HAS TO turn over the report, however damaging it is. IF the Defense is looking around & paying a lot of different specialist & DON’t get a favorable report & that specialist is NOT ON their witness list, they shred it!
judy pc, I think you certianly have a plausible scenario of KC’s anger, BUT, Caylee is just as dead & with KC not reporting to police Caylee was dead or missing, the 31 days, she still faces 30 to 40 yrs. in prison. Just as long as you can’t procreate will be fine with me.
frankie, at the same time KC jerked all the videos too of Caylee! Yee Ha! A COOL Blogger at WS copied ALL the videos as they were being “jerked” & saved them. AFTER Baez SOLD the first of Caylee’s memories, the WS BLOGGER released ALL of the other videos! She said it was to KEEP BAEZ & KC from making $$$$$$ off Caylee! AWESOME!
Jily, I agree with your post, this in NOT a death penalty forum, the jurors will ultimately decide KC’s fate & I am confident that will be a decision they do not take lightly. I am sure there are plenty of “death penalty forums” that the topic can be debated on.
knightowl, LOL! I made a typo & typed “knightout!” I too agree that there was a “chocking incident on the 15th,” bet that’s WHY Beaz has the Anthony’s neighbor on his deposition list!
frankie, the Couie Case was heartbreaking, I LOVE Jessica’s father, a tireless advocate for children, he is NOT about making money, he is ABOUT THE CHILDREN!
Journalist, if KC confessed to Baez, he DOESN’t have to divulge the information to anyone. A good friend of mine is a Criminal Def. Attorney & she says she tells her client, “I DON’T want to know if you did it.” She says she wants nothing to keep her from zealously representing her client & if she knew for sure, it might cloud her judgement if an innocent life is taken. In the case of KC, just look at A Lyon’s face, the Defense, imo, KNOW KC killed Caylee, they are just trying to spare her spending the rest of her life in prison or from the DP.
What dNA found on the duct tape? Is this the one that doesn’t belong to any of the Anthony family? I remember this in discovery months ago.
Hi JudyPC,
I want to respond to your earlier post trying to explain “what’s really hard to explain” lol
I had lunch with my sister today (not @ Waffle house}
And I was trying to fill her in on this case. She was mezmerized by all of the circumstances on this murder case. When I told her the state’s theory, the child was murdered by duct tape and the motive was because she wanted to go out and party, she was shocked in disbelief.
She has a masters degree in psychology and teaches at a local university. Within hearing just 15mins of this atrocity, she quickly stated “no way”, not with the family dynamics I told her about. She wasn’t buying that this young mother with a good support system (GA & CA) would give up her freedom for a few nights of fun. No drug history, no killing small animals, normal IQ, normal, normal everything else, she thinks the state’s case is weak.
LOL, I think she’s hooked on this case now. I’m looking forward to her take of all of this with new eyes. She said she will stay away from blogs and only read the documents.
My point is: This is a VERY STRANGE CASE…agreed?
Kleat & ThoughElf, also, the way we get to read the depositions is IF one side requests them. In the past, I think Baez only requested CA & GA as they are costly as R Hornsby pointed out & a 70 page depo copy could cost as much as $500.00. The COOL thing is, Baez has request 8 thus far, meaning, when they are released to Baez, they will be released to the public, that is how we got the other depos. I don’t remember who Baez requested in the 8, but I do know that one of the request for depo is the Anthony’s neighbor, I don’t know if it is the one that loaned KC the shovel, or , the one who heard the FIGHT the last night CA saw Caylee.
JB Misson, the thing about the Anthony’s, KC didn’t have a “good support system.” The entire Anthony family lies, dishonesty is a common thread with all the members. Screaming, fighting, stealing, CA’s controlling behavior, GA losing the families money & imo, CA NEVER let GA forget it just as she never let KC forget she supported Caylee & did everything for Caylee. The family has had a bankruptcy, they were on the verge of a second bankruptcy when this happened with Caylee. GA threw his father threw a “glass window at his father’s auto dealership,” GA was arrested, that is a felony assault, hence the reason GA “probably CAN’T work in LE anymore.” He only worked as a Homicide Detective I think for 10 yrs. or so, not a Career. GA can ONLY do security work now, they don’t carry guns, a life altering event for the whole family. Absolutely NO ONE in that family takes any PERSONAL responsibility, the parent’s are willing to LIE for KC, NOT stand up for their only innocent grandchild.The family moves to Orlando, started over, financial troubles again, KC LYING, STEALING, getting pregnant & lying for 7 months because she was afraid of CA!
JEEEEZ! I could go on for days WHY KC DID NOT have a support system. KC is from a white, middle class family, her mother is educated as well as Lee, that is what makes this “unbelievable,” KC doesn’t fit the “general description” of mother’s that murder their children, & sadly, like layers of an onion, we have seen exactly what this family is about. NOW, KC has accused Lee & GA of sexual abuse. I am just suggesting JB, don’t leave out ANY of this information as it is all important, KC is such an angry person, you can see her clinch her jaws in ange in Courtr, especially when Ashton described how the STATE thinks Caylee was murdered.
I keep waiting for this scumbag family to do the right thing, STAND UP for Caylee Marie Anthony, a VICTIM of this TOXIC family. They can’t fix KC, they can’t fix themselves, truly a miserable family that has supported themselves off their murdered grand daughter.
No offense JB, my daughter has a master’s in Psychology too, she has heard about this case from the beginning as I update her everyday, she certainly has an opposite opinion than your sister on this case. Telling someone for 15 minutes about this case is not much considering ALL the information released in this case. IF your sister is really interested in this case, have her WATCH every single Jail House Video of KC, I promise she will start to get the picture of who KC is & what this family is about.
Sorry to rant, this family, imo, is despicable, inexcusable behavior that they exhibit to this day. Oh yea, DON’T get me started when CA, a registered Nurse BLAMED Bank of America because they didn’t PAY their mortgage. They make me sick!
Art tart,
I disagree. Casey had an excellent support system. Didn’t CA & GA want to adopt Caylee? And let’s not overlook that Caylee did have nice things. Caylee and Casey had a roof over their head and food on the table. That’s a lot more than a some young unwed mothers. So my point is, Casey wasn’t desperate.
Hi JudyPC,
Here we go.
It’s not in my character to dissect everyone’s theory but since you’ve laid it out so clearly and since I have the time, why not. Besides, my theories get shot down too but I’ve survived.
YOU SAID:
I think people get to caught up in trying to make sense of a senseless act, they need to have a reason, when the simple truth is in the case of murder, there is often no reason, other than what the person committing the crime has in their mind at that moment.
I SAY:
(This is not true. In most murder cases there is a motive and in most states it is required to have a motive in order to charge someone with Capital Murder)
YOU SAID:
I think much of this case only needs basic common sense applied to what we do know to be the facts, Casey is not that brainy,
I SAY:
(I have lots of common sense. Common sense tells me after you commit murder, it’s best to leave town. Especially when given 31 days to do it)
YOU SAID:
The chloroform searches, I feel were not being done as a murder plot, but as a control plot, she was going to, or had used it as a way to put Caylee out, when she wanted her to be out of the way. Perhaps she even used it the night she murdered Caylee, soaked a rag in it stuck it to her face, then tapped her to make sure she would remain silent.
I SAY:
(You just stated Casey is not that brainy. Have you googled searched “how to make chloroform”? It’s not very easy, it takes time, it has to be bottled correctly and stored for a limited amount of days in a sequence of steps which “not too brainy casey” may not have the patience for. Also there isn’t any trace evidence of chloroform in the autopsy report. Caylee body proved negative for chloroform meaning chloroform was not used on Caylee)
YOU SAID:
To me it just seems more plausible that she acted out of rage that night, and her actions afterwards was just Casey taking it one day at a time until the clock ran out on her, she was going to have the time of her life while she could.
And she thought she could control her parents as she had in the past, Cindy made the one mistake Casey could not cover, she called 911.
I SAY:
( If she was acting out of rage that night, that would mean she just kept chloroform in her purse for just the right moment when she would happen to be in a rage it would be handy. That’s not plausible to me. Either is hanging around Orlando waiting to get arrested) YOU SAID:
Then she was faced with people she could not bull-shi-t her way around.
She prob never figured they would check on things like her job, and she I think knew the apt she sent them to was empty, as she had friends there, she just did not count on the police “NOT” taking her word for everything, her family had made it easy for Casey to believe she was an accomplished liar, after all they never took the time to check out her stories.
I SAY:
(Even a moronic liar much less one who is the daughter of an Xcop would know that cops would check everything out. I don’t think she was surprised at all. When LE checks Sawgrass apts, and there happened to be a Zenaida Gonzale on the guest list on the very day she claimed she was there. This in not explainable, I agree but it doesn’t make it not factual. )
YOU SAID:
She honestly thought she could bat her eyes, and weave a story to L.E. and they would swallow it hook line and sinker, she had to be in shock when she was faced with her lies and they knocked each one of them down.She had never been nailed to the wall before, suddenly she was face to face with the hard core truth and she was at a loss.
I SAY:
(As for Casey using her feminine wiles to convince LE is a stretch. Again, I don’t think “not-too-brainy-casey”, daughter of Xcop believed she could. Also a person who is nailed to the wall usually confesses. Casey did not.)
Believe me, this case is far from cut and dried. We can only wish..lol
Art tart,
You don’t have to apologize. I understand you feel strongly in your opinion. So do I.
I feel strongly that even knowing the background of this family doesn’t explain the murder of an innocent child.
As for what my sister thinks..LOL Please don’t feel threatened. I wasn’t trying to outdo your family member by mentioning my sister has a degree in psychology. I was just excited to have a fresh set of eyes reading more about this case. She was insistent that I not give her links to blogs. I did tell her she could check WS because they are much more objective and stick to facts and less opinion. But basically I told her where she could find the documents.
Also, its very possible to recite this case in 15mins. LOL I did.
What kind if “support system” let’s their daughter lie and steal from them, KNOWS she does not have a job and does not wonder where their daughter and granddaughter are all day. Seems to me that George had Casey’s number all along, but there was Cindy ALWAYS putting the kabosh on George calling Casey out on her lies. I truly believe they loved Caylee and NEVER in a million years saw this coming (Casey KILLING Caylee). George did not man up before and did not man up after. They are protecting and lying for their daughter at ALL costs. Like George said from the beginning to Richard Grund…”I could lose BOTH my girls on this one..” So one is gone and both he and Cindy are throwing integrity out the door by their never ending “who done it” dialogue. Cindy and her excuses, excuses, excuses for Casey got her granddaughter killed.
JB, with all due respect for your friend, many, many psychologists would beg to differ on that opinion. And have. She has been described as a narcissistic sociopath. If the shoe fits……..
The JBmission:
Hey, if wishes were horse’s we all could ride lol.
Okie dokie,
you ask, Have you googled searched “how to make chloroform”?
Why, yes after it came out that she had, honestly it isn’t all that hard, you can grab a bag of ice and mix it up just about any where, and maybe she did carry some with her in case she needed Caylee out like a light in a hurry.
you said, after you commit murder, it’s best to leave town.
Well, you get no argument from me on that one, yes any thinking person would head out’a town, unless they thought they had some time, and if you look at her messages looks like she had planned to go to Ca, but got to caught up with Tony, and thought oh whats one more day.
you said, In most murder cases there is a motive and in most states it is required to have a motive.
I think rage murders are way up there on the list, jealousy, abusive spouses, abusive parents, substance induced frenzy’s, abusive children, so forth and so on.
And I still do not see Casey as a brainy gal, she used her girlish charms enough to know she got her way, and it never dawned on her it might not work.
any way, as you said “this case is far from cut and dried. We can only wish” and wish and wish lol.
If I had only heard this story in 15 minutes perhaps I would have come to the same conclusion. However, i have followed this cas from July 16th, 2008 when a waitress where I was having lunch that day said “A 2 1/2 year old girl in Florida was kidnapped and her mother did not report it for 31 days”…Yeah, right was my very 1st thought. No, I don’t think 15 minutes was enough! LOL! Ya sure you didn’t leave anything out? LOL.
JB I have not heard the State say they thought the reason she killed Caylee was to be able to party.
They have simply pointed out that she partied for 31 days while her daughter was supposed to be missing.
And what kind of support system do you really see from GA & CA?
Having a roof over your head, food on the table, and a room full of toys does not equate to a strong support system, if you read Cindy’s families depo’s you see there was huge amounts of turmoil. Resentment, jealousy, both GA & CA had lovers openly, there was huge debt, lies, acts of violence, and the list goes on.
In fact this family put the “funk” in dysfunctional.
Lol, Google dysfunctional and you see a pic of the A’s.
So, in that 15 minutes you shared with your sis, I think maybe you left a lot out.
JB You said:
Caylee had nice things! Are you KIDDING ME?
FACT: Having nice things DOESN’T make an EXCELLENT SUPPORT system NOR does it make you live in a Healthy Environment, something Caylee never had! LOL! In FACT, JUST THINK! Every child born deserves unconditional love & stability. There are parent’s that have far less than the ANT’s & have the ability to teach their children the value of Honesty, holding a job, NOT Stealing from ANYONE, something this family was unable to teach KC due to their own problems & agendas. If STUFF is YOUR OWN value system, then I can understand your statement, but it isn’t mine.
You said, Didn’t the ANT’s want to adopt Caylee?
WHY IS THAT? You seem to have missed the WHOLE POINT of WHY they wanted to adopt Caylee! CA was TOLD BY A COUNSELOR that she & GA needed to get custody of Caylee! WHY IS THAT? because KC wasn’t providing for Caylee, GA/CA could recognize what a pathological liar they raised, they totally provided for Caylee financially, they baby sat for Caylee endlessly while she pursued La Bella Vita, she was a COMMON THEIF even stealing from Grandma Pleasa to buy cake & ice cream for Caylee’s 2nd Birthday. What a scumbag. It wasn’t LOST on the Anthony’s EXACTLY who KC was. We have watched the Anthony’s on National TV on their “REASONABLE DOUBT TOUR” in which they continued to promote Caylee sightings.
The COUNSELOR TOLD CA they needed to ADOPT Caylee, sadly, the Anthony’s didn’t even have enough money, I guess they BOUGHT to MUCH STUFF, to adopt Caylee. What a miserable environment & Caylee ultimately paid with her life.
You are correct in saying that KC had MORE than MOST unwed mother’s, some unwed mother’s HAVE NO FINANCIAL SUPPORT from anyone & are nurturing & loving to their baby, they are responsible & hold jobs, go to school part time instead of QUITING SCHOOL. It saddens me to think that Caylee lived her short life in this toxic environment.
imo, this case has taught us many lessons, MOST importantly & sadly, you can be white & live in a middle class neighborhood, you can have lots of stuff, you could even be a nurse & a security guard, you can LIE on National TV about what a GREAT mother KC was, but sadly, we know differently. Things many times are NOT as they seem, from the outside in the beginning, this did look like a NORMAL family, sadly, this family HAS BEEN exposed to us for the family they are. Something inevitably was going to happen, it is horrific Caylee lost her life.
art tart:
From my point of view, she deserves just what the state is seeking, an act of rage does not make it less, and she had time to save her child, she looked into the frightened eyes of her child and did not stop, did not remove the tape, so this to me screams Aggravated Child Abuse, under Florida law she is not given a pass, if a child dies as a result of aggravated child abuse they can seek the DP.
OMG someone help me out!!
Several years ago in New York there was a wealthy family, the man beat the crap out of the wife and killed their adopted daughter, they lived in a nice pent house, oh crap the wifes name was Hedia I believe.
Afterwards people were stunned because they said the child was always dressed up like a doll, and he seemed to adore her.
CRAP!! I hate it when I have a brain freeze!!
But, my point is a nice house, food, toys, stuff… does not mean safe,
Heda Nussbaum. Joel Steinberg. Lisa Steinberg was killed.
@JBmission:
You Say: (This is not true. In most murder cases there is a motive and in most states it is required to have a motive in order to charge someone with Capital Murder)
I say: While the murderess does indeed have a motive, it is not a rational idea to non murderers. Unfortunately for casey, Florida law does not require the motive be proven. There is plenty of motive to spread around for casey….possibilities include, neglect, rage and, in her words, just because she is a spiteful bitch.
You Say: (You just stated Casey is not that brainy. Have you googled searched “how to make chloroform”? It’s not very easy
I just googled it, not only does rotteneggs give one a pretty simple recipe, simple enough even for casey, google also returned a site that talks about the fun on inhaling chloroform….hmmmmm!
You say: Also there isn’t any trace evidence of chloroform in the autopsy report. Caylee body proved negative for chloroform meaning chloroform was not used on Caylee)
Caylee’s remains were bones…no flesh remained after 6 months in the elements. If, as you say, chloroform is so unstable that it can only be stored for short periods of time and you are correct in that assessment according to rotteneggs, the chemical certainly had ample time to dissipate before Mr. Kronk found her skeleton. Her body didn’t test negative, there was no way to test, no conclusion could be drawn from the skeleton. There was, however, elevated levels in the trunk, where it is said she lay decomposing for several days.
You Say: ( If she was acting out of rage that night, that would mean she just kept chloroform in her purse for just the right moment
I think you are right! She probably did keep a little bottle of it handy….to anesthetize her toddler when she wanted to put her in the trunk
More in next post…this one is getting long!
judypc, you are exactly correct on that case. Their names were Hedda Nussbaum & Joel Steinberg. I am going to go back as I don’t remember what the sentence was for him, she got some type of immunity.
Here is the google link as there as many many references on this sensational case, they too appeared to be successful, UPPER middle class.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=hedda+nussbaum+and+joel+steinberg&aq=3&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=Hedda+N&gs_rfai=
LOL…You guys responded while I was typing….so I needn’t go on!! LOL
Heda Nussbaum…wasn’t she a psychologist? I seem to remember that case! They were wealthy but were really weird and abusive. I am going to google again!!
Well JB has answers to all of Judys theories, which is easy to do when you have convinced yourself that only what you want to believe is the fact.
To me it is simple. Casey Anthony had almost three years to get tired of being a mother, she had almost three years to watch guy after guy walk away. She probably chose to believe it was because she had a child, when in reality she would have been dumped anyway. You live the life of the most available bed partner in Orlando, and most guys walk away pretty quickly. Like her mother, she is incapable of thinking it could possibly be her that is the problem, so it HAD to be Caylee. I read over at another site that Diana feels that Tony Lazzaro may have trust issues because of his relationship with Casey. I don’t think for one minute that he ever was in love with Casey, he was just doing what all the other guys were doing, taking advantage of what she so freely gave out. There was NEVER a plan for a future there.
So to me it was all about Caylee in her head, and I know lots of young girls who don’t beat their children or abuse them in front of people, but they are still bad mothers. They come first, the child has to fit into their lifestyle, they don’t change their lifestyle to be a mother. There are many ways to be a bad mother. Casey fell into that catagory.
It’s so sad that her parents who had to know all this chose instead to turn a blind eye. Caylee will have her day in court, I hope her memory helps the jury to finally make the mother of the year responsible for her henious actions.
LindaNewYork, sorry I didn’t see your comment. I bet you clearly remember most of the events that surrounded this case. It has been a long time butI remember it being painful to read of the abuse of Lisa. I know there was a brother I think, I am going to check it out when I read up about the case. thanks.
I found another link: http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/family/lisa_steinberg/1.html
It is very descriptive. I was wrong, she was not a psychologist. She was an author or childrens books and a former editor. He was an attorney. They had adopted Lisa.
Amazed, I agree with all your comment. I too had thoughts that KC probably enjoyed dressing Caylee up when she was a new born & liked to “play the family with Jesse Grund” but KC QUICKLY grew tired of that. To this day, it pains Jesse Grund to talk about those times, he & his family truly loved Caylee. I too have thought that Caylee was getting to be a “pain in KC’s ass as she was nearly 3, old enough to answer a lot of CA’s prying questions about exactly WHAT KC was doing & who with. KC certainly couldn’t allow this!
Absolutley art tart. I live about 40 mins out of NYC. Always read the NY Daily News, etc. It was in the paper all the time. He was supposed to have been the adoption attorney for a young girl who was giving her daughter up for adoption, but he kept the baby for himself and his girlfriend, Hedda. THEN, he did it again and kept a baby boy, who was reunited with his birth Mom after he killed Lisa. I believe that SOB/POS was released from prison !!! NO ONE wanted him in NYC. I believe he had a very hard time finding a place to live when he was released. I believe he got 25 years to life and was released after the 25 years. HOW is THAT justice?????? WTF is he doing walking the streets. I would have to research to see when he was released. I beleive this happened in the early 80′s.
Joel Steinber should have been THE poster boy for the DP for what that little girl went through. No DP in New York.
Child murderers come in all shapes and sizes. Low class, no class, middle class, upper class. Evil lurks in all walks of society.
ina, where did you say you earned your JD?
my sister earned hers in VA, & the majority of the murder cases she defended as a PD, & had prosecuted as an Asst Commonswealth’s Atty (now a Sr C A), were circumstantial cases…….in fact, she has said that very very very few are ever direct evidence cases, murder notwithstanding.
so the list of criminal cases that have been adjudicated successfully – murder or not – have been based on circumstantial evidence & thus are TNTC – too numerous to count.
my brother, another Asst Commonswealth Attorney in another jurisdiction, concurs.
JMHO.
frankie, THANKS SO MUCH for that link. I love those TRU/Library Stories. There is one on Caylee but it stops at Chapt. 18. I will DEFINITELY read this tonight.
LindaNewYork, you are reminding me of the facts in the case. Thats right, he was an adoption attorney or surely HE wouldn’t pass vetting that young couples have to go through to adopt. There are SO MANY young couples that would have cherished & loved those two children unconditionally, imo, he should have never been released from prison. I am surprised he wasn’t murdered in prison.
I am glad to hear the little boy was returned to his bio mom. I hope he is doing well.
delay, absolutely a high percentage/majority of murder cases are circumstantial. Casey WILL be convicted based on the circumsantial evidence. “REASONABLE doubt”.
Support system? I’m referring to a support system; as in someone there to support the unwed mother. My sister deals with drug addicts who have NOTHING. Her job is to deem mothers fit or unfit. It’s her call. Any mother who is on their own living in a homeless shelter, I would say this person doesn’t have a support system. This is my definition of a support system. In comparison to them, Casey had a darn good one. Nothing will convince me any differently. GA & CA wanted to adopt Caylee. Enough said. I know sometimes I take for granted that I’m being understood. Hopefully, I’ve explained it.
Chloroform is violatile and only last for a few days under the perfect temperature. Heat will cause it to dissipate quickly. If you wish to store chloroform, use a brown glass bottle only to prevent radiation making it turn to phylogeny quicker. Also, make sure the bottle is filled all the way up, because chloroform reacts with Oxygen. You can only store the chloroform for a week or so however, because it will eventually decompose. So she’s making up this stuff every week? Nahh..I think we should leave chloroform out of the equation because it’s not going to be part of the case anyway.
No chloroform was found in her hair as per the autopsy report. It’s a moot point and I doubt very seriously if the SAO’s will use it. If they do it will be argued to high heaven, no doubt.
Oh well, I will agree to disagree. OMG, BRET MICHAEL’s is on American Idol!!!
I love him!!
FROM WIKIPEDIA: RE: Joel Steinberg:
On two occasions, Steinberg was denied discretionary parole, mainly because he never expressed remorse for the killing. However, on June 30, 2004, he was paroled under the state’s “good time” law, which mandates release of inmates who exhibit good behavior while incarcerated after having served as little as two-thirds of the maximum possible sentence. (New York State has since increased this ratio to six-sevenths of the maximum term for persons convicted of violent felonies.) Steinberg had spent most of his imprisonment at New York State’s “Supermax” prison, the Southport Correctional Facility, presumably to prevent him from being attacked by other inmates.
After his release, Steinberg moved to Harlem, where he took up work in the construction industry. He continues to maintain his innocence.[1]
Meanwhile, the other child in the case ended up being reunited with his biological mother, Nicole Bridget Smigiel.
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What a bunch of BS that he was put in a “special prison” (Supermax) to “protect” him from being attacked by other prisoners. NO ONE protected the six year old girl that HE attacked.
The JBmission said, on May 26, 2010 at 6:40 pm
“CMA had an excellent support system. Didn’t CA & GA want to adopt Caylee? And let’s not overlook that Caylee did have nice things. (snip) So my point is, Casey wasn’t desperate.”
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yes, in fact Caylee had too many “things”….whenever i see a child’s room virtually filled to capacity with “things”, all i can think of is: “filling a void”. they are filling a void in the child’s life with “things” – they’re not providing time, educational experiences, socialization, nurturing based on the child’s needs, the child is seen as an object, a trophy, & is used to satisfy others’ needs. sic your psych sister on that please! i’ll bet’cha she comes up w/something interesting.
i agree, desperation wasn’t the motive behind CMA’s filicidal act. CMA, as a psychopath (likely a “explosive psychopath”) & a malignant narcissist, had thought of it for a while. No desperation whatsoever. She lacks those neuro connections that link with emotion.
LindaNY,
Casey has NO pass history of child neglect. Never been reported..only reported by her cohorts as being a good, almost overprotective mother. Who’s making this chit up? lol
I can’t dismiss what AD and JG have testified to. It is what it is.
Not saying that good mothers don’t kill their young because they do. But usually under different circumstances and they have no options. All I’m saying is Casey had options. She’s not violent. Up until the check charges she incurred during this event she had a clean record.
Sure she could have done this, but I don’t see the physical evidence to support it. I guess I need to be slapped in the face with dna or a fingerprint. I’m really hoping the state of Florida has something tangible. Really I am.
LindaNY,
I read that book years ago. I remember how sad it was. I can only imagine the outrage in NYC. IIRC the system failed the little girl too. Very sad case and it ticks me off Steinberg got special treatment. And NOW the child killer is FREE!! uggg…
Do you know what happened to his wife?? I can’t remember her name. I think he abused her too.
jbm: No past history of child neglect? I agree….she hadn’t been caught! cindy was the one caring for Caylee, so no, casey had no past history of child neglect! I think casey probably did go over the top to portray herself as a “good mother” in front of her friends! I am quite certain she wouldn’t have dared smack Caylee in front of others…..most child abuse happens in private. Even the case we were discussing above, this was reported about Joel Steinberg: “But there were also good things to be said about Steinberg. He was once described as “warm, fatherly and generous.” A fellow attorney who knew Steinberg for 17 years said: “I think everybody who knew him is shocked.”
Lisa Nussbaum was under psychiatric care for many years and now is a counselor for abused women.
Hi JB!
It seems that was not good enough for Casey. She wanted what she wanted. If she needed money, she stole it. Want to look like a stable person, she lied about being employed as an Event Planner (apparently a big to-do in Orlando with Disney and Universal and all). Babysitter? Well darn, “I” have a Nanny. Own a home? Well GOSH darn, my Mom is giving me her house…etc, etc.
Many people who come from good family’s and have that “suppot system”, money, have careers, are smart/college educasted have a roof over their head, food on their table CAN be murderer’s, either of their children, other family members, etc…..Casey Atnthony, OJ Simpson, Phil Spector, The Menendez Brothers, Pamela Smart, Scott Peterson, Ted Bundy, Joel Steinberg, Robert Durst, the Barretta guy (can’t think of his name), Susan Smith, Karla Holmoka, Darlie Routiere, even Lizzie Borden.
I do understand that yo and many others find it incredulous that Casey or anyone wlse from a good support system/background would kill. But it DOES happen. I am a good person, as we all are here and it IS very hard to wrap your head around someone like Casey killing her daughter. But it happened. There will never be a good reason. Or a cut and dry, good excuse smoking gun reason. Just evil sociopathic, narcisisstic, evil rotten people. They, unfortunatley, exist in our world.
In reference to the storage of chloroform:
It has a shelf life of about 3 weeks, store it in a glass bottle, or sprinkle it on a wet rag. From the how to on realeggs.
I’ve said this before and I will say it again.
Casey showed ONE FACE to Caylee and ONE FACE to the rest of the world. She acted like Mother of the Year in front of everyone, but behind closed doors, just her and Caylee was a different story. She was a selfish, self absorbed little brat, thief, liar. Her parents facillitated that. THEY did not kill Caylee and like I said I am sure they NEVER saw this coming. Selfish, self absorbed narcissistic, sociopathic little brats do not alway murder someone. But THIS ONE, killed her own daughter.
Yes frankie, Hedda Nussbaum was consistently beat to a bloody pulp for many years. Her face looked like that of a Boxer. But worse. I remember seeing a pic of her “before”. And that SOB Steeinberg is walking the streets.
And even in this Hedda Nussbaum case. An educate woman. Why didn’t she leave, why did she let this man beat her for years and watch as he, on a daily basis, beat and physically abused that 6 year old little girl.
These things happen in the world….Just like mothers who have a support system kill their little girls.
Amazed,
I don’t think Casey had a problem with men walking away. Jesse didn’t walk away even after finding out Caylee wasn’t his. I didn’t find any problem finding my 2nd husband when I had 3 children either..LOL Fought a few of them off as well and got a good one. Thank you Lord.
Casey had over 1,000 pix of Caylee on her mySpace. She didn’t hide Caylee from anyone. I really don’t know what happened that would change all that. It seems odd that she one day stopped loving her child and killed her. I have such strong love for my children as I know most mothers do so when you put “child murder” and “mother” in the same sentence, I want undisputable proof.
Most mothers who do kill their young will confess like Susan Smith did within 3 days of the crime. This Mother has not..lol Take that sentence anyway you want.
I’m sure Florida wants her blood but they have to prove it. People like me shouldn’t mean anything to the masses of people that feel she guilty. I’m a one-percenter.
No harm, no foul.
I am not seeing the good support system. True she was from what appears to be a good support system, but the more we see of the anthonys, the more I see dysfunctional. I do not to this day understand how two trained professionals could have overlooked the problems that their daughter had and the danger their granddaughter was in.
JBM: What happened to those 1000 pics? They were deleted just prior to casey’s arrest. I wonder why? What was in those pictures that casey didn’t want anyone to see?
wasn’t Joel Steinberg a lawyer?
Seems I recall he was…..
The JBmission said, on May 26, 2010 at 8:58 pm
“Most mothers who do kill their young will confess like Susan Smith did within 3 days of the crime. This Mother has not..lol ”
Where is that a proven fact. That is just silliest thing I have ever seen someone say regarding this case.
Really, you must be kidding.
Like my favorite TV Show, LOST: found guilty or not, whatever the end of this case brings, it will be debated forever byt both sides….
LindaNY,
Any thing is possible, of course. Casey just doesn’t fit the profile. I don’t know why she waited so long before she reported her missing. All I know, is there’s no physical evidence that links her to the crime scene that I’ve read.
As for circumstantial evidence it can be wrong as in a case I read about a case where this husband was accused of beating his pregnant wife to a pulp, but didn’t kill her. She survived after being in a coma for a few months and when she came to, she accused him as being the one who tried to kill her. He was found guilty of attempted homicide and given 21 years.
The circumstances were compelling. They had argued, he left the house angrily, went to get a hamburger a bit too far from the home, when he got back he finds his wife beaten, bleeding and on the brink of death. Between the circumstances and his wife’s testimony, he was convicted.
After serving over 7 years in prison and still pledging his innocence, he wasn’t even allowed parole. He could have been paroled but was refused because he would not say he was guilty.
Long story short, there was a “basher” in the neighborhood who had done this to a few other women. With the work of the innocence project, after this person was arrested and LE had his DNA, it was finally proven that it was the “basher” who did this to his wife and not her husband. He was finally freed.
He forgave his now exwife because he felt she honestly didn’t know because of her serious head injury. My point is: this happens more than we know.
Yes, he was judypc. I just read he was a criminal lawyer. BUT somehow he got involved in an adoption as the attorney for the birth mother of two children that he “kept” for himself. There was never any paperwork showing HE adopted them.
JB.
My point is, you can not be confused by what appears to be a “good” family.
I counsel on domestic violence, it happens in the white picket fenced homes the same as it does in the mean streets of the projects, it happens behind the ornate double doors of mansions, the house next door, or across the street.
People you would never suspect are the victims, and the abusers.
Nice clothes, nice homes, well educated, they hide many secrets.
OK, so that was one case, JB. Out of how many. I fear if we left it up to you, Charles Manson would be walking around, free as a bird. LOL! After all, he had NO BLOOD on HIS hands, personally.
Amen to that judypc.
Well LindaNY,
Just go and find the cases where they did admit to killing their children. Diane Downing was one. The other is Darlene Routier and in her case, I think Texas missed the boat because she really had severe injuries and maybe one day she will get another trial. Those are the only two I’ve read about compared to the other hundred of cases where mothers take a plea.
Please don’t laugh at me. I think it’s rude. I’m polite.
You guys couldn’t be more wrong about me. Really. This is an exceptional case and I’m not buying into the hype. Give me some time during the trial and I’ll be the first to raise the flag and say “aww..you guys were so right” But not today.
JudyPC,
You may counsel on these cases but if you were a social worker, you wouldn’t stand a chance of taking Caylee out of this home. You must at least agree with that.
OOPS, my bad
Just go and find the cases where they “didn’t” NOT “did”admit to killing their children.
I was watching American Idol. I voted for Crystal, but I liked Lee too.
Oh, I really was’t laughing at you. (And besides you LOL’d first!! LOL!).
I’m sorry that is just crazy to me.
Diane Downs DID NOT admit it. Infact there is a website by, I think her father still claining her innocence. Don’t you get that people who murder will TRY to make it look like they did not do it. How many stand in front of the camera’s TRYING to shed a tear..”Oh, please whoever has my wife, please bring her home..” There was a guy who killed his wife and daughter (saw on one of the many true crime/dcoumentary shows I watch all the time). He called several times and left messages on hi home machine..”Hey sweetie, where are you guys, miss you..” They were dead. He killed them. They try to cover their tracks…Casey’s “track” was a non-existant Nanny.
Frankie,
IIRC, Casey’s mySpace account was deleted ASAP. Who knows what those pictures would have proved…IDK
Oops, JB your bad made my bad.
I don’t know…I call them as I see them. If it looks like a duck, quaks like a duck, it IS a duck….Every time!
“Beyond a reasonable doubt” right? Reasonable doubt isn’t good enough, I always thought.
Anyone? I might be wrong.
Who deleted the myspace? IIRC, casey did. Again….makes you wonder why. I have pictures that are 40 years old…if my house caught fire, I would try my darndest to get those pictures out safely (Note to self: I must take time to put them on CDs!). Why would this loving mother you describe destroy those 1000 pics of her beloved daughter, especially when at the time, she was claiming that Caylee was kidnapped?
Maybe Frankie, maybe she did delete her site. Can you imagine if she didn’t? She’d have a million hate mails. But I’m sure LE found them on her computer. It can’t be that hard to find with all of the computer forensic whizzes the FBI has. Just sayin..
Yes, REASONABLE doubt. NOT beyond a shadow of a doubt. IT IS REASONABLE based on what I have seen that Casey Anthony killed her daughter Caylee. And I believe a jury will find the same. We’ll see..
OK, g’nite all.
JB, friends? I didn’t mean to insult you…And I am sorry you took it like that.
Nice chatting with everyone. My bed is calling my name..Gnite
FYI: Darlie Routier never confessed. She maintained her innocence throughout her trial, and is still maintaining it through the appeals process.
http://www.fordarlieroutier.org/
the state is fighting back they have filed to have the motions filed by team Casey against the DP stricken.
The JBmission:
You are prob right about the social worker thing, sad thing is thousands of children are abused daily that no one ever hears about, since Caylee there have been untold hundreds of endangered kids that we have never heard of, will never know their names.
Sad thing is, if only Cindy had moved ahead to take custody of Caylee as she was advised to do by her Counselor she may have saved both her granddaughter & her daughter.
But, hind sight is always 20/20 and what if’s can not change the event.
Sleep well friend, we will arise to debate all fresh and feisty tomorrow.
Can you link it? I’d like to read them.
BigPinkElephants:
Not sure if you are asking about the state fighting back, but if you are it was on the wesh2 11pm news.
JB, your additional explanation of “support system” is acceptable I guess after we all pointed out to you the that the FACTS CLEARLY SHOW there was no support system. When a statement is made on a BLOG & is challenged, especially by 3 or 4 other bloggers, it is ALWAYS a good idea to HAVE EVIDENCE, facts to back up an opinion, or a link. Your clarification doesn’t remotely compare to your first two or three comments.
It’s like saying: I’m rich compared to someone who is poor, I live in a mansion compared to someone that is homeless, I’m tall compared to someone who is short. Your final explanation is an entirely different opinion than your first 2 or 3 & comments. You were provided example after example of the facts in this case of KC’s home life & you betcha, we’ll hear it again in Court. The Anthony’s parenting & family life will be exposed yet again on National TV.
You said: The Anthony’s wanted to adopt Caylee, enough said. I BEG TO DIFFER. They are so damn financially immature & irresponsible, they COULDN’T EVEN AFFORD to adopt Caylee. It’s not enough said, a child died. The Anthony’s have interjected themselves into this case from the first day, media tours, selling memories, lying, I can’t wait for this family to GO AWAY as soon as this case is over.
Somer’s Thompson’s mother showed gut wrenching grief, the pain was palpable. There ISN’T anything normal in the Anthony family, they STILL haven’t demanded that the MURDERER be brought to JUSTICE! WHY IS THAT? Think it’s because they KNOW WHO the murder is?
JB said:“Beyond a reasonable doubt” right? Reasonable doubt isn’t good enough, I always thought.
Anyone? I might be wrong.
Sorry JB, you are wrong again. “Reasonable Doubt” doesn’t mean BEYOND ALL DOUBT, but what is reasonable. It is NOT reasonable to think Roy Kronk could have had access to Caylee, murdered her, put her in the trunk of KC’s car, I guess we are supposed to assume he stole the car keys from KC’s purse while she was giving someone a LAP dance at Fusion, then returned the car & put KC’s keys back in it when she wasn’t looking. This is NOT reasonable, the Defense is trying to “create reasonable doubt w/Roy Kronk” but they will surely get their client the DP or LWOP with this stupidity.
What is reasonable is this: KC was the last one seen with her daughter, she waited 31 days until her mother reported Caylee missing, SHE NEVER DID! There is absolutely NO REASONABLE explanation for a mother to NOT report her child missing ro 30 mintues much less NEVER, she lied to LE & wouldn’t provide viable information to Detectives that were desperately looking for Caylee, she said in a video, “they will never break me,” KC drove her car until the DECOMP Smell was unbearable so she just left it with the key INSIDE, just praying that someone would STEAL her car & then she could blame the “smell, abduction, the whole scenario on them,” BUT, the car was towed spoiling that idea. Little Caylee, in a laundry bag very similiar or part of a pair of one from the Anthony home, Caylee’s Winnie the Pooh Blanket. The list is endless.
KC is no different imo than other scumbags such as OJ, Scott Peterson, Diane Downs, all displaying sociopathic & narcissistic behaviors just as KC does. Perhaps you should get off the “KC doesn’t FIT the profile” & GET ON that she does FIT a “PERSONALITY TYPE of OTHER MURDERERS that have murdered & never admitted it!” This is a MORE APPROPRIATE analogy of KC.
I think if people want to understand this crime they need to approach it from a different angle.
Casey never saw herself as a mother to Caylee, more like a rival, the crime is one of sibling rivalry.
I think in her mind she didn’t kill her child she killed her sister.
JB-you are right. It is BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.I figured you were fishing for the right answer when you asked. This statement is common fodder given to juries in every state of the nation. I surprised no one here knew.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-882004.html
Sometimes the Supreme Court just holds its nose.
In a unanimous ruling yesterday, the court affirmed a state law that asks jurors to base their verdict in a criminal trial on moral considerations. But the justices said the instruction was “ambiguous,” “archaic” and “unhelpful” to juries trying to decide whether a defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
“We do not condone the use of the phrase,” relating to jurors’ moral inclinations, Justice Sandra Day O’Connor wrote for the court. “But we have no supervisory power over the state courts, and in the context of the …
Heres a better one for Florida Death Penalty Cases.
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Appendix%20E.pdf
Burden of Proof – Reasonable Doubt
The State has the burden to prove each aggravating circumstance BEYOND a reasonable doubt. A reasonable doubt is not a mere possible doubt, a speculative, imaginary or forced doubt. Such a doubt must not influence you to disregard an aggravating circumstance if you have an abiding conviction that it exists. On the other hand, if , after carefully considering, comparing and weighing all the evidence, you do not have an abiding conviction that the aggravating circumstance exists, or if, having a conviction, it is one which is not stable but one which wavers and vacillates, then the aggravating circumstance has not been proved beyond a reasonable doubt and you should disregard it, because the doubt is reasonable.
It is to the evidence introduced during the guilt phase of the trial and in this proceeding, and to it alone, that you are to look for that proof.
A reasonable doubt as to the existence of an aggravating circumstance may arise from the evidence from the evidence, conflicts in the evidence or the lack of evidence.
If you have a reasonable doubt as to the existence of an aggravating circumstance, you should find that the aggravating circumstance does exist and give it whatever weight you determine it should receive.
JB said:“Beyond a reasonable doubt” right? Reasonable doubt isn’t good enough, I always thought.
Anyone? I might be wrong.
Art tart said:
Sorry JB, you are wrong again. “Reasonable Doubt” doesn’t mean BEYOND ALL DOUBT, but what is reasonable.
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oops, @ Art tart,
It looks like YOU and a few others were WRONG AGAIN!! LOL
Thank you Bonnie for coming to my rescue. You were right, I knew but obviously they didn’t. I guess I over-estimated my adversaries again. Geesh..
Gnite!
“All they care about is getting Caylee back”….Casey Marie Anthony
I am personally against the Death Penalty but when I hear this stuff I want to flip the switch myself.
Reasonable Doubt: This is the definition I was using.
Beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard of proof that must be met in order to convict a criminal defendant of a crime. The judge will instruct a jury in all criminal trials that they can only find the defendant guilty if they are convinced “beyond a reasonable doubt” of his or her guilt. It is a stricter standard of proof than a “preponderance of the evidence,” that is required to find in favor of a plaintiff in a civil case.
Beyond a reasonable doubt is not capable of precise definition, but it doesn’t require absolute certainty. It is sometimes referred to as “to a moral certainty”.
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/q016.htm
imo, the STATE will get a conviction of KC beyond a reasonable doubt or “to a moral certainty.” Baez can try to “Create Reason Doubt” but the Doubt has to be Reasonable & Believable. Thus far, there has been nothing reasonable about the theories that Baez & Team have floated. KC will be convicted, imo, on the “totality of the evidence,” and imo, the jury will have no problem convicting her “to a moral certainty.”
Sunny, I agree, those videos make you want to puke. When KC said, “I am just as much a VICTIM as Caylee,” & the next night CA/GA were on National TV telling the interviewer that KC was a VICTIM. I guess KC was giving CA her talking points.
Sunny, I do believe in the DP & I respect those that don’t, but I will respect whatever KC receives. If she were to get LWOP, it might be worse than DP to her, alienated from electronic gadgets, a social life, out of the news, no attention.
Hey art tart!
I would be for the DP in extreme cases where there is no doubt, not just beyond resonable, NO doubt. There is no doubt in my mind that Casey Anthony killed her baby. I hope she lives everyday in fear of losing her life. I hope she goes crazy in SC without any hope until she takes her last breath. I have zero sympathy for this woman or her family. The truth and this family are strangers. It is not ok to lie about where your baby is. It is not ok to party and get a tattoo. It is not ok to wrap three pieces of duct tape across her airways so that no breath escapes. I don’t care who posts what or how many times they have heard of similar cases where the defendents were innocent. Casey Anthony is NOT. She is a cold blooded killer who will go to her grave with the truth of what happened to that precious baby. And for that she should fry. Casey is not special, she is not unique, the world is full of Casey Anthony’s. I bet we all know a few sociopaths. If she didn’t kill Caylee then why hasn’t she said anything even resembling the truth? If there is some evidence, ANYTHING, I would want to think otherwise. But there isn’t. None. What is really scary is the fact that a seemingly normal person with a seemingly normal family and background could do something like this. She could be your next door nieghbor. Scary
art tart~I’m afraid Casey would thrive in prison. She will create her own little reality. I bet she is already planning her first slumber party. The only punishment for her is knowing one day she will die, and that it will come much sooner because she chose to end her daughters life before it ever really began. She will thrive on Death Row too, to a certain extent. With LWOP though she will create a whole new life built on her fantasies. I predict she will cut off her parents no matter what happens. Once the trial is over and they didn’t lie or cheat enough to get her off, she will be done with them. (maybe she will join an Irish mafia prison group) I can just imagine her imagining her grand life as a prison celebrity. She will have media hounding her for interviews. The life of a celebrity is very busy. She will need prison assistants. La Di DA It’s a beautiful Life! If it wasn’t for the pesky trial she would already be set up. How many times is Caylee gonna ruin her plans/life?
I think its reasonable given what we do know about Cindy Anthony that relations were not good between her and Casey from at least February 08. Because, this is when Casey started dating Riccardo Morales who claims almost from the start that Casey and Caylee were spending 4-5 nights a week at his place until the relationship ended in mid April. Also of significance is Morales seems to be the first guy since Jesse that stuck with Casey for more than a couple of dates. Yet Cindy tells detectives that Caylee typically would only spend one night a month “crashing at Zanny’s”.
For me April could be a bit of a watershed as this is the month Casey is caught stealing AGAIN and Cindy seeks out counselling. In stealing from grandpaw’s assisted living account, Casey has sunk to a new low. She uses the check to pay $354 towards her cell phone account in April. Would it be fair to say life at Casa de Anthony was tense? Around 24th June Casey is told Troy Brown that there was “drama” at home between her soon to be divorced parents and she hadn’t been home for 9 days. Maybe one of her half truths cos drama had been going on for months. Meantime she’s continuing to allow Amy to believe she will soon be moving to Hopespring Drive.
I truly believe Cindy was threatening to go for custody, litle Caylee was indeed a pawn between these two fewding women and I’m quite sure Cindy made it clear to Casey that Caylee was her priority, NOT her.As for Casey’s state of mind, we can only speculate. But grifting to meet these monthly phone bills, keeping up the appearance of having a job and bullsh*ting friends must have been hard work. Socializing takes money and Casey didnt seem to want to stop, she went straight from Morales to Lazarro. Though in between she finds time to fit in a bonk with Anthony Rusciano. Its obvious Cindy had no idea who Casey was hanging around with. She thought Riccardo was gay.
This hardly fits with her claims that she and Casey were “best friends” and confidants
And its clear Casey wasnt doing anything to placate her mother. Things were simmering at the Anthonys for many months and we all know the ensuing tragedy.
For those who raise the valid point that Casey had no history of neglecting her daughter, I would remind you that the last 6 months of Caylee’s life were spent around a totally new crowd. Casey was no longer the home body Jesse described
or the girl who went out now and again with Annie or Sean Daly. She had progressed to quite the party animal and MEN were now featuring, big time. Casey had changed.
Food for thought NO-one ever said Susan Smith wasn’t a good mother until she did the unspeakable.
Sunny said, on May 27, 2010 at 3:29 am —
Excuse me…. I find your last post repulsive…. no matter what happened to that precious little girl… your imagination has gone one step beyond…. sorry … to me, it is as if you’re enjoying this ….
Was just reading the night posts — what does the Steinberg case have to do with this???
@ JB… The thousands of facebook pictures are just part and parcel of what young girls do today. The telling fact about those thousands of pictures is that they were deleted from FB so that the media could not access them thereby allowing this scheming grifting family to sell them to aquire money to defend the monster who killed the subject of the photos.
Other than Jesse Grund, no man wanted Casey for long…hot body and all.
True Bonnie & JB
“The State has the burden to prove each aggravating circumstance”
(1) Victim is a child under the age of 12 = Caylee was not yet 3 years old.
(2) The act was cruel & heinous = three strips of duct tape.
The state could ask for the DP on these two clause’s alone, and have no problem proving their case for it.
Amazed: I wonder if that is the only reason she deleted them? Might they have shown us something more…..something that casey could not afford LE to find? I think casey is not an overly bright person…conniving, yes, but smart…nah. She had plenty of time to plan and execute this whole thing, yet she is about to be convicted. She was, IMO, incredibly lucky, but not intelligent. Deleting the photos would have required her to think more than 5 minutes ahead. I think there was something in those photos that she wanted hidden.
One thing that led investigators early on to suspect melinda duckett was her trash. She had thrown away a lot of Trenton’s things…for example, the sonogram. Several have cited her multitude of pictures of Caylee as an example of her love for Caylee. I think they were just part of her body of work, her portfolio if you will. Caylee was beautiful and the camera loved her. The pics were a tribute to casey, not Caylee, IMO.
JudyPC: She was also in the care of her custodial parent, another aggravator. ga/ca fingered casey very quickly as the last person to have physical custody of Caylee.
Sunny: I don’t find your thoughts repulsive….I think you are correct. I find casey anthonys acts repulsive.
frankie:
And if I am not mistaken, the 31 days she allowed her child to go unreported is as well an aggravating circumstance, isn’t it?
If I recall it was listed as aggravated child abuse, to knowingly not report that a child was endangered.
So, aggravated child abuse is yet another circumstance the state has little burden proving.
I think it would be Judy. She is also charged with aggravated child abuse/neglect I believe.
Amazed: I also agree about young women and FB. I have a POS relative that posts the pictures of her children on FB. It is all about her….”look what I have, this is mine. I don’t have a job or a future, but I have cute kids……look at me, me, me!” She could care less about those kids, three kids, three dads, not with any of the men and she parties down while she pawns the children off on anyone that will watch them or leaves them in the care of the oldest. But she has has her nails done, carries a cell phone and has all the nice things yours and my money can buy! Only in America!
BigPinkElephants said, on May 26, 2010 at 10:04 pm
I have been following the Darlie Routier case since she was charged. I see alot of similarities in Darlie/Casey Anthony. Darlie was all about money, lack of money, lifestyle…just like Casey Anthony. For a while, Darlie’s husband made mega bucks and Darlie lived the life she thought she deserved. Casey Anthony lived her dream as well…dreaming with Mom’s credit and whomever else she could steal from. There was an incident about one year before the demise of the Routier children where husband Darrin admitted to attempting to defraud their insurance company by having their expensive vehicle stolen and then totalled.
IMO, the big PAYOFF for Casey Anthony was to get rid of George & Cindy and to live/own the home on HopeSpring Drive. She was an EPIC FAIL…just like Darlie Routier. They will both do life…or Darlie will do life and Casey will pay for her crime with the death penalty.
A small child murdered, with 3 pieces of duct tape across her airways, double bagged in garbage bags like trash, decomposing in her mothers car and then thrown into a swamp to be chewed on by scavengers while her mother parties is repulsive. Sunny’s above comment repulsive? Not even close.
About the pics deleted. I’m confused. Are they the same pics that Casey and parents sold to the media or were there others in addition?
Now a days people take an over abundance of pics, especially young girls and new parents. They save some and delete some if they run out of space. Digital cameras means you don’t pay for developing film like you did in the old days. I don’t find the number of pics Casey had odd at all.
And it wasnt 31 days, was it …29 surely.
Maybe Casey cant count, her timer 55 is also off by a day if you start counting fom 16th
I see that frankie & I agree that there are MANY ways to be a bad mother. So sad for the children of today. Just the fact that these girls get pregnant in this day and age. Laziness or income?
Ms. Bingo, I read all the ture crime I can get my hands on, ( still don’t know why lol) and Darlie ARoutiers case is fascinating. Just the suppossed life and death struggle that only left two tiny little boys dead, and two able bodied adults alive says it all. Her husband to me was either involved or at the very least aware of wat she did.
To Ina, read up on the Melanie McGuire case to see how a person can be convicted by circumstancial evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. Even with one of the best attorneys money can buy. Not ONE shred of DNA. I still believe the over cleaning of the apartment they lived in for so long is what proved her guilt. Anothr selfish high and mighty b*&^) brought to justice.
Look at Jeffrey McDonald, still claiming his innocence, and a woman stupid enough to marry him and pay for his appeals. Appeal all you want, warts and all the trial finally was magnificent.
One more question regarding photos. Several disposable cameras were taken into evidence from the Anthony home and one at the recovery site. Were there any photos deveoped from those (non-digital) cameras? Just curious.
Typos typo typos
NP: I don’t think they are the same. The pics that were deleted were in her photobucket account, I think and it is said there were literally at least a thousand. We haven’t seen that many, although the media may have them, IDK. I would like to know. IF they were indeed deleted, my question is why?
Lots of interesting discussions lately. Nothing to add, but pausing for a perspective break:
I didn’t realize she had a thousand pics posted in photobucket . That is a little over the top. Of course she had an interest in photography, according to her parents anyways.
ThoughtElf:
Reminds me of my yard dang Ninja squirrels grrrrrr.
Can’t have my bird feeders, Can’t plant anything, the dig it up, the beast even ate my stinkin bananas !!!! GRRRRRRRR
NP: I remember that from early in the case, but as with so many things these days, I could be remembering incorrectly! From the photos I have seen, she might could have had a career as a photographer. I like her compositions, at any rate. Such a waste.
AHHH…the poor rat…there but for a bushy tail, go I!
frankie, career = profession = work. I doubt Casey would ever follow through. Most of the pictures I have seen were posed. A really good photographer catches those spontaneous times. Too bad, they all could have had a nice life.
Judy!
You have bananas growing? Who knew squirrels liked bananas? I knew they liked old pizza.
Frankie,
I am stealing this: “there but for a bushy tail, go I!”
Grins!
Anyone see a release on the State’s amended witness list yet? Docket was updated on the 24th. I wonder who was added/deleted?
I found it:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/40237174/05242010-Addition-to-State-Witness-List
(Thanks MM – you rock!)
State added Category A witness ‘Nathan Lezniewicz’ (Tony’s Buddy)
His transcript is here:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5687695/Casey-Anthony-Nathan-Lezniewicz-transcript
Defense amended their depo schedule, too. Looks like they’ve booked Nathan L for June 4th, amongst others like Sam Melich, Brian Burner and JP Chatt:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/40235685/05242010-Amended-Notice-of-Taking-Depositions
ThoughtElf:
I still have the banana trees, just stripped of all the fruit, they have gobbled up my strawberries, blackberries, sunflowers, tomato’s, my limes, and the grapes off the vines.
And have knocked off most of the oranges, grapefruits, and lemons romping up and down the trees.
They have torn down and broken the bird feeders, and slurp the humming bird feeders dry.
When my parrots are out on the deck these furry beast climb up into the bottoms of the cage and eat the seed & nuts.
I HATE SQUIRRELS!!!!!
Hummmm wonder if I put up a pic of Casey in my yard if the squirrls would RUN AWAY!!!!!!
Ugh! said, on May 27, 2010 at 5:47 am
Sunny said, on May 27, 2010 at 3:29 am —
Excuse me…. I find your last post repulsive…. no matter what happened to that precious little girl… your imagination has gone one step beyond…. sorry … to me, it is as if you’re enjoying this ….
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I don’t give a flying fig what you think.
I didn’t find Sunny’s post repulsive at all.
Good Afternoon everyone,
@ Art tart,
What’s with “my explanation is acceptable”. Acceptable to who? You? You’re lucky I even took time to explain what “support system” meant in the content of my comment!! LOL, are you kidding me!
Let me make it clear Art tart, I don’t need your acceptance or affirmations.
Hey JudyPC,
I could send my cat to you. She’s a squirrel-killer..lol We CSI-ed the entire backyard. I’ve got chalk lines tracing the squirrel carcasses in my backyard and the forensics came back, Prissy’s DNA is @ the crime scene and she fits the profile of perp. She had intent and opportunity.
Furthermore, Prissy has climbed thru the window @ night to bring me presents. Yes this psycho Cat brings me dead squirrels. She’s now incarcerated in my home and will go up for parole in a year. That’s 7 years to her. We’re hoping she will mend her evil ways.
LOLOLOL. That was funny. All of the above.
Judy, have you tried a shovel to rid yourselves of the squirrels?
Have a great day in the sandbox! I’ll be looking forward to reading posts tonight.
@ amazed said, on May 27, 2010 at 6:20 am
Hi, I agree with you that many young people today plaster all kinds of pix on these sites. As for the reason they took them down, you could be right. I hope LE did get to them before she did. But you know, once something is on http://www., it’s there forever.
btw, they weren’t on FB, they were on mySpace. Just FYI..lol
FB = facebook, right?
Thanks everyone for understanding the frustrations. I am sure my musings are kindergarten compared to Caseys. I couldn’t get into her head if I tried.
I’m planning on being here for the hearing on Monday. I hope a few here will be as well. I am so looking forward to hearing the states case. May 2011 can’t come soon enough.
I’m going to jump in here for a sec. I hope you folks don’t mind. I have also been following this case from the very first day and have learned a lot. I also following the OJ trial and followed the Scott Peterson trial almost to the point of obsession. I’m pretty sure the State in the Scott Peterson trial had way less circumstantial evidence in his trial (i.e. the hair in the pliers; the bodies of Laci and Connor washing up months afterward in the spring thereafter where Scott admitted where he was fishing.
One thing I did learn is that the State only has to prove that KC murdered Caylee. They don’t have to prove why she did it or how she did it. All they have to prove is that she did it. We may never know from KC what really happened. We can only speculate. I don’t think she’s ever going to talk. She’s about as stone cold as they come. I can’t get past the 31 days KC did not report Caylee missing (although Caylee was never really missing in my opinion). I can’t get past the duct tape around the mouth and nose; and I can’t get past all the lies and wild goose chases KC sent LE on. I can’t get past her partying ways, pretending she was trying to find Caylee – what? In bars pole dancing? Kind of like OJ – always on the lookout for Ron and Nicole’s killer, and look at where he is now.
Perhaps KC did overdose her with chloroform, perhaps Caylee drowned in the pool, and tried to cover it up by taping her up to make it look like a kidnapping. Hence, her abandoning her car with her personal belongings in the front seat, hoping somebody would steal the car and get blamed for Caylee’s death.
That’s JMHO. I can’t see her getting anything less than LWOP, but then again, who am I?
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The mental picture of some poor Orlando criminal walking up to the Sunfire with the intent to steal it……Bet he/she backed away quickly, saying “I ain’t gonna steal that thing!” That might have scared him/her straight! I know, it isn’t funny. Please excuse, couldn’t help myself.
KC’s photobucket pics
– also on the cayleedaly they can be found.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-trial-case-photos,0,2398805.photogallery
Just as a last comment today, in the very beginning after Caylee’s remains were found and they tested the duct tape for prints, they eliminated George and C$ndy and Lee. However, they remained silent about KC’s fingerprints, whether or not they were found on the duct tape. They never officially eliminated KC.
The JBmission:
Parole Prissy I will allow her to stay here and act as her half way house.
We will have her sick of squirrls in no time at all !!
TY for the link Donna. A couple of things:
107 < 1000…..was that a blog rumor or is it in discovery that there were more that she deleted?
There are not a lot of Caylee..debunking the loving mother myth that she had multitudes of pics of Caylee
They are disgusting, IMO, only because casey is disgusting, otherwise they are just a bunch of drunk kids partying….nothing for georgie to get so upset about and certainly nothing the defense should be so desperate to get sealed. I mean really?
So where are the ones they don't want us to see?
Wonder who logged into casey’s myspace on 5/20/10?
About deleting pictures…There’s nothing odd about deleting pictures, we all have done it…
Except…
Casey deleted the pictures of her “MISSING CHILD” after she went missing…
Most mothers, if not all, would keep every picture they had, no matter how outta frame/focus after their child went missing. These pictures would be all she had of Caylee. Casey deleted the pictures the same as she deleted Caylee from her life, and by deleting all those pictures she could cause Cindy as much mental/emotional pain as she could…First take the child away, then take the pictures, then take the memories. Also she got to rub Cindy’s nose in the fact that “She got all that money”.
By the by…Casey’s picture won’t scare squirrels away, they collect nuts.
JB Mission, you didn’t have the acceptance for your excuses for “support system from many on this BLOG,” I read 3 or 4 other bloggers challenging you on it.
Everyone is entitled to have an opinion, but most bloggers are able to back up their opinion with facts and links, or, that state, jmo.
Sunny, feel free to rant anytime, I didn’t find your comment repulsive & I enjoy reading your post.
Well art tart,
I’d like to call a truce. Here’s the deal; You stay out of my Kool-aid and I’ll stay out of yours.
In true form, you joined the band wagon. The problem is, no one else challenged me as rudely as you did. Here lies the problem. I’m not expecting acceptance and I’m not accepting your pitiful excuse. May I suggest you stop challenging me, if not we will continue to bicker ENDLESSLY. Guaranteed.
Sunny,
You have Art tart’s PERMISSION to rant. Get my drift people?
Art tart,
Please post a link to ANYTHING YOU POST. LOL, I have yet to see one yet. Please, just one to justify that I do the same.
Donna G,
I hope you are right about the fingerprint. If Casey’s fingerprint is on that duct tape…Well, I’ll celebrate @ Pat O’Brien’s and kick back a couple of Hurricanes..lol
But as Art tart says: Could you provide a link to the document you are referring to?
TIA
JB, you truly live up to your reputation as being a pain in the ass & a trouble maker. I have read about you on 3 or 4 blogs but reserve my judgment to make a decision for myself. I absolutely have never corresponded with you until the last few days but apparently, the information was correct, your behavior shows it.
I don’t know you & don’t want to know you but I will NOT put up with your childish attacks on me. You need to grow up, try to concentrate on this case & quit trying to make trouble.
I didn’t ask Donna G to provide a link for anything. I guess I will watch you be the pain in the ass that you have the reputation for, LOL! Leave me out of your petty games.
JB, the information I gave you as to WHY KC didn’t have a support system has been on videos, in doc dumps, in the Orlando Papers, in National Media, funny how everybody else had same information. I ignore troublemakers, & you JB, are one. DO NOT continue to post about me, it only shows that you are more interested in personal attacks than the facts in the case.
Donna B Guilmette, I agree wholeheartedly with your entire post and am familiar with the cases & I don’t need any links, JB was just attacking me & I apologize. I too have followed obsessively OJ, Scott Peterson, Phil Spector, etc. I find the legal aspects fascinating in the cases. I read every Ann Rule book, I like to know the background of the information of the people involved.
I think my favorite prosecutor is Alan Jackson, from the Lana Clarkson Case/Phil Spector. LK Baden was on the first trial but not the second in which he was convicted.
I too agree that KC will probably get LWOP, the jury could be sympathetic to the Anthony’s as they have lost so much they will say on the stand, I could accept the DP as I see where the jury might have come to that decision, I will respect whatever decision the jury makes, it won’t be pretty, jmo.
JB, I have just read 4 consecutive comments addressed to me OR about me. I am concerned that you have lost sight of what this BLOG is about, it is NOT about you being pissed off. It is about Caylee Marie Anthony.
I apologize to everyone on this sight, hopefully JB will move on to insult someone else. I will not address you again, it was just bazaar to read 4 insulting posts consecutively in which you attack me. Hopefully, you can overcome your personal agenda & concentrate on the case as that is what most of us are here for & care about. Your snide remarks are embarrassing & shallow, sadly you don’t get it.
Sunny,
Did you mean you would be at the hearing Monday? If so, would you happen to be SB on WS? Like her first hand reports & other posts quite a bit, likewise MM’s.
ThoughtElf, thanks for the link, why do you suppose Baez is deposing Yuri’s wife?
JB yes FB=Facebook. I subscribe to neither, guess they are all the same to me. Heartfelt apologies for the boo boo.
Art tart,
You gave NO information..take a chill pill and call it a day. Don’t ask me to provide information IF YOU CAN’T. Is that do much to ask? And I’m sooo happy you’ve have FINALLY given up on me.
Paleezz Lady.
Art tart?
I don’t know why you can’t learn. A “support system” to an unwed mother is someone who “supports” them. How can you claim that you know everything there is to know about this case and can’t agree with that statement is beyond me. Is it not true that Cindy Anthony supported both Caylee and Casey? That is what a social worker refers to as a support system. I reinterate: Casey had a support system.
Hi Art Tart,
Samara Melich also works for OCSO and was a part of the investigation in a minor way. As far as I recall, she is one of the deputies who followed up on the thousands of tips and did some witness interviews, like the airport sighting.
She is on the State’s witness list, so this likely a follow-up depo to hear what she has to say about the airport sighting, since that was something the Defense was yammering about 1.5 years ago and wouldn’t let go for a while. I don’t think it is a big deal at all.
Note they put her at the end of the day (4:00 pm), whereas all the other depos June 4th are in 2 hr blocks. This indicates that the Defense doesn’t expect hers to be that long?
Chuckles. Is this Bees Knees inserting herself into the case? lol.. Sry I could not resist
jk..
ThoughtElf, Thanks for clarifying that for me. I didn’t realize she also worked for OCSO, I remember the Caylee sighting at the airport but just didn’t realize the connection. Thanks!
Art – Namaste.
JB is correct. Casey had a support system… and if she didn’t she would have stolen one.
Buddha is Love
~ScissorLips~
art tart said, on May 27, 2010 at 6:13 pm
JB, the information I gave you as to WHY KC didn’t have a support system has been on videos, in doc dumps, in the Orlando Papers, in National Media, funny how everybody else had same information. I ignore troublemakers, & you JB, are one. DO NOT continue to post about me, it only shows that you are more interested in personal attacks than the facts in the case.
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You mean YOUR interpretation of or the conclusion YOU came to from the resources you listed because I didn’t see you linking any factual determinations made from those.
Let people come to their own conclusions and post them, just as you are being allowed the freedom to.
I am by no means an alli of JB Mission, but one does not have to provide factual information or links, to back-up their stance, especially if being challenged by “3 to 4 bloggers”. What a joke!
It’s funny that people are arguing over what a “support system” means. The definition can vary from situation to situation and person to person.
I think some people argue for the sake of arguing. Just as some people continually fuel Ina on.
I don’t see it ever ending.
Not starting anything, but I think you might have meant ‘ally’ versus ‘alli’?
Just speaking for myself, but I find it difficult to seriously consider any snarky smack downs without laughing that are posted by peeps offering up ‘Banana Hammock as a lead in, and rife spelling mistakes that would make Churchill do an underground gymnastics routine.
Nothing registers as worthy of consideration, even as a giggle, after resurrecting this mental image: http://www.filmfodder.com/reviews/archives/borat.jpg
I’d like to offer myself up as the obligatory, voluntary, blog whipping-kid today in lieu of Art Tart. We can spar with personal attacks and poorly constructed innuendos?
Alternately, we can discuss and debate facets of the legal case?
(I lied, I am very willing to deflect and distract your attention so that others can continue to discuss Caylee’s case and scroll on past the BS. Pick Me!)
Pick Me
I think you are worthier of being a whipping kid or a deflection.
So maybe you’d care to offer your opinion on whether support systems can well and truly have the p*ss ripped out of them.
I think Cindy Anthony might know what that feels like, most certainly Lauren Gibbs does.
@ ScissorLips~ said, on May 28, 2010 at 2:49 am**Spit my coffee all over the keyboard on that one! LOL
lol
OK I will post my disclaimer first….I am NOT an anthony sympathizer. They have single handedly displayed almost every human trait I despise. That being said, I think one must consider that all of us define success and failure relative to our own experience.
IMO the anthonys put the dys in dysfunctional….but, their life according to them, works. I know many people that define love as the amount of things they are given. That looks like what passed for love of Caylee. I am, according to my children, a doting grandmother that spoils the grandkids rotten. But when I look at the sheer amount of things that Caylee owned, I am given pause. This was a family in financial straits, casey obviously didn’t buy Caylee much (she might have stolen it, but not purchased it) so the grandparents bought all those things…playhouses, pools, etc. Why???? Were they compensating for something. Why did Mark Hawkins post on his MySpace that Caylee was the bravest little girl he knew? He had her listed as his hero very early on, before he set the page to private. Seems something was going on with Caylee that we don’t know about.
frankie 5/27 @ 3:05
There are photos taken of KC partying prior to Caylee’s being reported missing and there were photos taken of KC during the weeks after Caylee went missing.
I don’t exactly know which photos of the partying SAO would be using. That’s why I think the Judge is allowing them. The SAO wants to show KC’s demeanor prior to and after Caylee’s so-called disappearance.
I’m not aware of anything in discovery of pics tht she may have deleted. I’ve only seen the ones shown in the media or the ones shown in her photobucket.
If you notice the pics she does have with Caylee, they always seem to be about KC, not Caylee. KC always has her face just about in the camera’s face with her big teeth, posing. Just saying.
As far as the pics they don’t want us to see, I don’t know. If that’s the case, then there are obviously pics we haven’t seen either. Although they could be some of the pics of her grabbing another girls breast, or her squatting down on the pavement in the garage relieving herself, or the one of her sitting on the floor next to the toilet. Who knows?
frankie 5/27 @ 3:07
I think it may have been either C$ndy or George Marie.
Doug Wollenburg 5/27 @ 3:18
Deleting pics is no big deal. But KC deleting pics of Caylee after she went missing to me is very telling.
I’m a mom if three married with children, children, and seriously, I have pics all over the place. I have grandchildren too. I have so many pics in picture frames, I don’t have the room honestly to place them where I want to but they’re on the walls in frames, any place I can find space.
By the way, I like your comment about the squirrels and the nuts! Good one.
Does anyone remotely think that a number of years ago, the Anthonys thought they would be in the midst of this nightmare?
The JB Mission 5/27 @ 5:20 – Regarding the elimination of fingerprints of the Ant’s, very, very early on the case after Caylee’s remains were found and the lab tested the duct tape for prints, I read a report saying they could eliminate C$ndy, Georgette and Lee.
They said nothing about KC, either way. Because of that one can assume the State has something. I never saw anything in writing saying definitely that KC’s prints were found, only that I had read a report that they could eliminate the other three Ant’s.
I could have seen that report in one of many, many doc dumps the prosecution has turned over to the duhfense. I’ll see if I can find it but it was so long ago – I’ll just keep searching.
Yo: No I doubt that they did. As I said, one views their reality as satisfactory while others may view it as dysfunctional. I see their life as dysfunctional. I think it is irresponsible at best to buy an inordinate amount of stuff for a less than 3 year old child when one is struggling financially. Apparently, they did not. Maybe that was their way of showing Caylee they loved her, IMO, it was the anthonys putting on a show. It was in part, their way of proving to the world that they were wealthy and happy. Their ugly underbelly is being exposed and none of us expect that will happen. We think the world will always see the persona that we present as fact.
Shoozeyque: Thank you for your response. I am curious about the rumored 1000 pics that she supposedly deleted. I am a mother of 3 children and doting grandmother as well. I have literally hundreds of printed photos of my family, some of them 40 years old! Every wall is covered with them to the point that sometimes I wonder why I do that! I have, no joke, THOUSANDS of digital photos on my computer, written to cds, and some (movies of a grandchild we lost at an early age) in a safe deposit box at my bank. So I cannot imagine why any mother would destroy photos of her child….especially a child that was “missing”. Wouldn’t you have been passing copies of those photos out to anyone that would take them, just to get her picture ingrained in the minds of everyone, hoping to find your child?
frankie 5/28 @ 7:27
We always took pics of our kids when they were small and I’ve tried to pass that tradition to my kids, which they have.
It’s such an important piece of your family’s history, and the older I’ve gotten the more precious they are to me. My aunt has been working on our family tree and has the album completed and she is giving me a copy. It contains everything about my aunts and uncles on my father’s side. I never knew my birth mother and so that side I will never have. I have never even seen a pic of her. My father divorced her in 1949 and got custody of me. And my mother has never kept in touch with me from that point on due to the fact part of the agreement was that she was never to see me again. I was a year and a half old then. Of course, I didn’t find this all out until recently.
So getting back to the Ant’s, I cannot fathom a mother destroying pics of her own daughter. That’s just unconscionable. That’s just another part of KC that I find despicable.
I find destroying the pics inexplicable. If Caylee was missing or dead… I would have held onto those pictures for dear life.
The only mention of deleting photos that I can find is from Jesse’s statement to LE
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1473812/Statement—Grund-Jesse—Written-Statement-2008-0716
“I went on Casey’s MySpace and FaceBook pages and found the following: On FaceBook Casey Anthony had deleted upwards of 200+ photographs of her, and her with Caylee. On MySpace she had at one point over 10 pages of photos of Caylee, now reduced to 4 pages. Casey’s personal hobby is photography and has had upwards of 300+ photos of Caylee posted on-line, at any given time.”
He said he noticed this when he checked both pages after receving the mass text message that Casey sent out on July 16th. He has no idea when she actually deleted the pics.
Has anyone seen Casey’s FaceBook? I’ve seen cached pages of MySpace but not FaceBook.
Actually, the thing about the pictures is not that she is sexing it up with another woman – there are plenty of lesbian moms out there who bring up lovely children and don’t keep their children in the trunk of their car or their elephant. I think the point of the pictures is to show that she didn’t care a hill a beans for her baby.
Buddha is Time Indefinite
~ScissorLips~
I think most of us want to give our children a better life, we support them in any way we can, and we tend to do the same with grandkids, we spoil them, and we enjoy every minute of it.
Many grandparents are now the ones raising the kids, simply because young people are not up to the task.
Casey was 19 when she had Caylee, and from what we have learned was sorely not up to the real task of raising a child, she turned into more of a live in baby-setter for Cindy.
Casey enjoyed the easy times, but when it came down to the work of caring for a child she was more than willing to allow someone else to take over.
Then, she resented the attention and the bond between Caylee & Cindy, of course a child will bond with the care-giver, the one they know will attend to their needs, offer them comfort, and make them feel secure.
Maybe, Cindy saw Caylee as the only one in that house that was worthy of being spoiled, George & Casey were ungrateful leech’s that sucked the blood from her.
We know George & Casey would not work on a dare, and buying for Caylee was Cindy’s way of somehow showing who she thought was deserving, we now know of course she was falling behind her one salary was not enough to keep everything afloat.
Yes, she bought Caylee tons of stuff, maybe that was her way of pretending life was beautiful, as well as showing the world look I am making it all work.
Yes, the money should have gone for house payments, car payments, and such but she may have thought what the hell, I’m so far behind, who cares..
Cindy wanted the world to see this perfect “Leave it to Beaver life”, the reality of what was behind those doors at Hopespring was far from the Cleaver’s, and bordered on the Manson’s, but she just can not admit she was not able to pull it all together and tie it all up in pretty bow’s.
Cindy see’s this as her failure, and still wants to make the world believe she can fix this mess.
As for the pictures, after she did away with Caylee, maybe she did not want the constant reminders staring at her every time she logged on to her fantasy world.
Those eyes staring back at her reminded her of what was in that trunk, and that was not a pretty little bright eyed baby girl smiling at her.
Thanks Nosy…I didn’t think I was imagining a massive amount of pics! The deletion is the problem to me. It looks as though she knew she was dead and didn’t want the pictures to remind her of what she had done.
Judy: I can see that and buy into it easily enough…have witnessed it many times, especially with people who tend to be irresponsible. The anthonys apparently are irresponsible with their money as they had already filed bankruptcy once and now they are about to lose their home again. Caylee’s death is just a convenient excuse this time. But I also have to consider that the overindulgence could have been an effort to make up for the stress and neglect of Caylee. For example, I am exhausted so I buy the child a toy to make up for not having the energy to play with her. Or buy her a trinket because mommy has been AWOL for 2 days. cindy is getting a bit older. At the time of her life she should have been enjoying her grandchild, she is struggling to support an entire household. I think the resentment of that was inevitable and she may have been pushing casey to do more for Caylee. Caylee had tons of dress up stuff, costumes, sunglasses, etc….like she was constantly on display. I think casey may have bought or stolen those things for her as they were similar to the things casey dressed up in.
I am not saying any of that is inherently wrong unless there was more to it than that. I am just curious about the abundance of things in a financially stressed home.
Scissor Lips, I too think the pictures were to show KC wasn’t looking for Caylee & didn’t give a flip about her.
judypc, I too agree with your comment, CA’s controlling behavior, imo, has been able to “fix a lot of problems within the home in the past” but she never understood she couldn’t fix KC, & she can’t fix what KC has done now. It’s sad to see some of the pictures of GA/CA with Caylee as they truly loved Caylee bringing them so much joy.
Nosy thanks for the link. Frankie, I too agree CA could have “over compensated Caylee with stuff” to compensate for the lack of parenting KC was doing. It’s illogical to me, but I can see where CA thought it was making things better for Caylee as kids as always cute when receiving a new toy, laughing, smiling playing.
Donna,
I believe what you read that about fingerprints. I recall something similiar, no need for a doc link. For whatever reason, the FBI did clear GA, CA, LA and not KC specifically, I think you’re right.
imho,
I think Cindy was simply being a “!st Time Grandma” . I’m guilty of the same with my grand daughter. I don’t think Cindy was compensating anything. She couldn’t resist buying the cute little girly things for Caylee. Who can? I couldn’t.
Sadly to some people things = Love.
And in a home where Love is void, shinny things take the place of emotions.
Jbmission:
I do not think anyone doubts Cindy loved Caylee, and was as proud as any Grandma could be, I am as well sure she took Pleasure in the gifts she gave her.
In Cindy’s defense the home was well kept, everyone was clean, fed, and had a roof over their heads.
For that she deserves respect.
I have to say I would have taken Caylee and left the rest of their sorry ass’es to fend for themselves.
Some times our kids need tuff love, make them learn the world is not a gimme this and gimme that, we do them no favor’s in allowing them to believe other wise.
And George, well I find no excuse for that worthless piece of dung.
I love my daughter, she is my only child, to say I would willingly lay down and die for her goes without question.
I have two grandson’s that I could bore you to tears with how wonderful they are, I have spoiled them beyond redemption.
If I thought for one moment that my daughter was unfit, unable, unwilling, to care for them, if I thought for a nano second she could harm them, you would see those two boys with granny in a heartbeat.
I would support my daughter to my last breath, I would not rest until she had what ever help she needed, in the mean time my boys would be safe with me.
If God Forbid, I would have been faced with what Cindy has been, after I was able to pick myself up and uncurl from a fetal position, I would set my daughter down, take her in my arms and say I love you, I will always love you, but you must tell the truth, I will never leave you, I will help you, but I will not lie for you, cover this up for you.
A mothers love does not end when their child has done wrong, but that child must know and accept they have done wrong, and suffer the results.
Had anyone stood up and told the truth, I do not think the state would be seeking the DP.
It is the total disregard for Caylee that has hammered home that there is no remorse.
judypc said, on May 28, 2010 at 12:43 pm
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I agree with all of your post, and that’s what most people would do if faced with a situation like that.
A stockpile of toys to make up for the lack of love ??? Lets also not forget that Lil’ Caylee had no friends, no one her own age to play with, not a single picture of her with another child….Strange…
And about support systems…I’ve always noticed that people tend to gather in similar groups, like expecting moms gathering for support, or married couples going out together…etc…But Casey had none of this, she hung around single childless people who were free to party, no responsibilities. She had no friends, so it appears, who also had kids, people (parents) who you could take turns with watching each others children…Casey had none of these things…Strange
Casey lived as if she had no child, no responsibilities, no cares.
Yo Hola! said, on May 28, 2010 at 7:09 am
Does anyone remotely think that a number of years ago, the Anthonys thought they would be in the midst of this nightmare?
No, of course not, did you? Ambiguous question!!
Just an observation as lots of people over the past two years have stated things to the effect of Caylee had no friends. She was 2 years old. 2 Year old don;t really have “friends”. Casey was 22. I think only one friend of Casey’s had a child. IMO I think a lot is being read into that for no reason.
If none of your friends have kids, then there is no one for your kid to “hang out with”. If your sibling has no kids, then your kid has no cousins.
For real live working mother’s, UNLIKE Casey…Some send their kids to daycare where there are other kids. But at 2 1/2 years old, you don’t really have “playdates”. And if you send to your child to a babysitter or have a babysitter at your own house, where that is the only child….I mean 2 1/2 year olds HAVE no friends. They are 2 1/2 !
Also, some people have also commented about that video where Caylee was being filmed and no adult was “talking”. Well, I can tell you that today I taped my niece playing by herself. My sister has videotaped her daughter’s when they were playing alone and she herself didn’t say much.
I am not picking on any one commenter, just read that a lot the past week or so.
LindaNewYork, I agree. Toddlers usually have toddler acquaintance thru the mother and
her friends with children. I gave my kids first birthday, 2nd, 3rd, etc. It was because
“friends of mine” got together, using birthdays for a reason. Our babies/toddlers had no idea what it was to have “friends” as has been commented to be important. IMO Caylee
would have been coming into her age group friends soon had she lived. Used to be what kindergarden was for, to acquaint group social behavior.
Uh Huh ——————— Hello ……………………
say what— ambiguous???? Do you not know the meaning of the word you used???? Ambiguous
It means that something is not clear-cut ———— My question was quite straight forward …what is you problem???
JudyPC said:
I have to say I would have taken Caylee and left the rest of their sorry ass’es to fend for themselves.
Some times our kids need tuff love, make them learn the world is not a gimme this and gimme that, we do them no favor’s in allowing them to believe other wise.
And George, well I find no excuse for that worthless piece of dung.
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My sentiments exactly. After reading the emails sent to Shirley Pleasea, Cindy was on a mission. Things were “fixin” to change…LOL
As for George, STAMP!
Doug, imo, you make some excellent points. KC was pursuing La BellaVita & it didn’t encompasses Caylee, Caylee interfered with her pursuit of fun. imo.
LindaNewYork, there are a tremendous amount of programs available to working mother’s that really have jobs, imo, IF KC had really had a job, she would have had to probably put Caylee in one of them. Some programs take them as babies & move them up every year to be exposed to a peer group and age appropriate activities, there is NO watching movies & TV at one I saw “special needs student’s at this year.” I am an itinerant & go to 4 differnt schools & 2 learning facilities for “special children.” The facility I described above had 2 downs children & 4 in wheelchairs which exposed the children to to the understanding that we are all different. You & I agree for “real working mother’s.” LindaNewYork, imo, it was inexcusable for KC not to “make special time for Caylee, she could have taken her to a park where she could have played with other children. I did that when my children were that young & they loved. The point is, I think we can most agree, KC could have exposed Caylee to other children IF she had been interested, imo, she was to self absorbed to realize that Caylee would have benefited.
Hi art tart.
Oh wait, didn’t the Nanny’s sister have kids? And what about Zack??? You know, Jeffrey Hopkins son? ~Sarcasm~
It made me think…How the He!! long did Casey think she could pull off that she was working? I guess that is one of the reasons she killed Caylee.
I have no kids…My 2 youngest nieces go to aday care where they “move up” to the next age appropriate room (green room, blue, red). One of my nieces is going to be “graduating” and going to kindergarten. Which makes me very sad that Caylee will never have that opportunity.
art tart said, on May 28, 2010 at 3:05 pm
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I totally agree art tart and it begs the question where was Caylee being taken
when Casey pretended she was with Zanny.
It seems Lauren Gibbs first watched Caylee until she found out Casey didnt have a job at Sports Authority. I’m not sure timewise where the Grunds fit in , only that Richard Grund claims Zanny was invented shortly after he told Casey, her having Caylee at theirs’ couldn’t be a permanent arrangement. He works from home. Grund Senior said he got the whole shebang, about Jeff Hopkins and Zanny who was willing to work for free. It’s not clear if Casey returned to her HR job or not.
Casey’s job at Kodak or Colorvision was officially terminated Aprill 06 for job abandonment. Don’t know when she started telling people she was now an event coordinator, attending Valencia where she conveniently gets to work odd hours and from home.
What’s so bizarre to me is how with the supposed better paid job, her stealing getting apparently getting worse and Cindy still doesnt twig something is amiss, nor it seems does she ask her to contribute to her own child’s upkeep.
Cindy seems like the proverbial ostrich when it comes to Casey’s behaviour and George’s own financial mis-management would probably mean he had no say in the matter. When you listen to how Cindy recalls the Tampa, bushgardens, car accident crap, she does seem to have totally bought into it..
LindaNewYork said, on May 28, 2010 at 4:20 pm
How the He!! long did Casey think she could pull off that she was working?
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Yes Linda and it had to have been getting harder all the time. Caylee was now talking and I have no doubt George if not Cindy would be quizzing his grandchild about how she spent her days. Cindy told her supervisor, Debbie Polisano that George and Casey often fought.
The other thing about pathological liars is, its difficult to maintain the same group of friends, once you’re busted you have to move on. I still cant work out what she was going to do about Amy’s checks. She was still using her account on July 15th after picking her up from the airport. She tried to pay her cell phone bill online.
Casey was certainly living dangerously.
LindaNewYork, the thing I like about some of the “better facilities for little ones now” is that they finally TOOK AWAY the TV to entertain children, back to teaching Caylee’s age nursery songs, finger plays, things most of us grew up with. Caylee loved to sing Your Are My Sunshine,” I too am sadden that she was denied the Journey of Life, but especially to enjoy being a little one exploring new things and making play friends. Linda, LOL! It is SO CUTE! Where your niece is about to have her “little graduation,” they make a BIG deal out of, it gives the children a “sense of accomplishment, it builds self esteem, they get a little certificate, its very sweet.”
JillyComeLately, I have heard different scenarios explored & speculated as to WHERE KC went w/Caylee. Some speculagted that KC stayed away until GA went to work, then she came back to the ANT house & slept. It is very curious, I wonder if this will come out in trial, we KNOW she didn’t stay w/Zanny at the Saw Grass Apartments so hopefully we will know.
The thing that has irked me with CA is that she CLAIMED to have Zanny’s number but she couldn’t find it. As controlling as CA is, it is hard for me to believe that she didn’t know where at least Zanny lived and have her phone number at her fingertips. Can you imagine what a SUCKER Lauren Gibbs felt like when she found out KC didn’t have a job? I would have been furious because it would have certainly told me KC DIDN’T even want to be bothered w/Caylee when she was a baby. A couple of bloggers mentioned yesterday that KC possibly never had a BOND with Caylee, I just can’t think of any other reason that she would want to get away from her baby.
JillyComeLately, that is something I never understood about KC stealing Amy H.’s check book, Amy would have found out very quickly her money was gone as it would be time for Amy to pay her rent. KC knew that, just nuts, imo. Wonder what her Plan B was?
Yes indeed, the Anthony’s had a stressful household with lots of arguments. It seems as though GA had Casey’s number & would challenge her lies, I would imagine they did really go at it & I wonder what part CA played in the arguments? Was she dismissive of GA, did she make excuses to GA for KC? I wonder?
Cindy had Zanny’s phone number, but she said she gave it to the first officer who showed up, then he left and never returned. And she doesn’t remember his name, she remembers everything else, plus some, just not that officers name. And the police kept asking her about it.
Just another non-person in the Anthony’s life. Alot of non-people seem to hang around the Anthony’s.
YEP! I remember she told J Morgan that, what a lie. She like her daughter, imo, will never admit anything.
Hi everyone, could you please take a moment and sign this petition? http://www.thepetitionsite.com/211/justice-for-caylee
A petition. Thats a little dramatic. The guy is a jerk, but “derailing” justice? What is a petition going to do? What is the purpose? He’s not gonna get kicked off the interner. Or wordpress, etc. The defense is crying that ALL of US commenting/blogging is making it so that Casey can’t get a fair trial. Forget about that moron. I think he getting too much attention. Yes, I know the whole judge thing. It is old news and in the past and besides everyone seems to be saying the new judge is doing a great job, not taking any bull from the defense, moving things along…Marinade is an a-hole and is old news to the defense, prosecution, and the newsworld. The 15 minutes are up. He is person non-grata as far as being involved in this case. He is involved in his own mind and other’s minds. This is my opinion so please don’t beat me up about it.
By other’s minds I mean you (whoever you may be) are making him MEAN something, when he mean’s nothing.
Casey certainly lived in a fantasy world. It’s like she is in an evil, twisted Walt Disney Story.
Yes art tart, those graduations are so cute. I went to my oldest nieces years ago. My niece sang ALL the songs to me today that she will be singing at her “graduation”.
I truly believe that we all go to a heaven after we die and I believe Caylee, and other children who were murdered or died from other reasons get to “grow up” in heaven surrounded by a great love and have their “graduations”. i’d like to think she and other children are angels that help other kids “cross over”. I believe Caylee is safe and happy in that heaven. But here on earth her justice needs to be served to the person that took her life.
LindaFromNewYork, what a heartfelt comment, I agree. JUSTICE will be served for Little Caylee, imo.
Hate if you will, Wordslinger! Your petition has nothing whatsoever to do with Justice for Caylee. It is a PERSONAL fight and using this murdered baby to further their own personal agenda. Nothing, nothing to do with compassion for Caylee. Show me where this deserves to be placed in the proximity of even mentioning her precious name. For Craig to allow this here is a slap in the face to Bill Sheaffer himself. Anyone who claims Justice for Caylee and keeps busy with this kind of sleeze in HER name, from either side are desperately in need of some kind of schit-zo medication. It is proposed by those with cursing mouths and hateful hearts showing no better behavior than one they slander with this pathetic attempt of defacation. If this kind of soliciting is allowed here then it has lessened the respect for Mr. Sheaffer and his attempt to feed his blog with purposeful information which is pretty hard to find on the cursing & threatening blogs.
JMO
The State of Florida is responsible for Caylee’s justice, not petitions.
I am sure your heart is in the right place, but by putting Dave once again in the spotlight only deflects attention away and back onto him.
Lets let Dave fade into the abyss where he belongs.
While it may feel good to you at the moment, it will not have any effect, just as Dave’s antics will have no effect on this case.
Judge Strickland will remain a man of honor, I dare say no one really believes Dave’s renditions of lunch’s and such.
Good comments, LNY, Judy and especially BB. You hit the nail on the head with that comment.
Nor should they believe the Judge admired him. Wait till after trial when Judge S calls with a warrant…LOL
ThoughtElf said, on May 27, 2010 at 7:09 pm
No TE, sorry for the confusion, I meant here on the blog. I wish I lived close enough. I would definitely be there. And no on the SB on WS. I would love to read their (MM & SB) posts on it though.
Along with two-thirds of the American public, I believe in capital punishment. I believe that there are some defendants who have earned the ultimate punishment our society has to offer by committing murder with aggravating circumstances present. I believe life is sacred. It cheapens the life of an innocent murder victim to say that society has no right to keep the murderer from ever killing again. In my view, society has not only the right, but the duty to act in self defense to protect the innocent.
Nevertheless, the value of the death penalty in our current system of justice is a limited one and should not be overstated. Because the death sentence is so rarely carried out, whatever deterrent value that exists is lessened in years of appeals and due process. Because of the unlimited power of Governors, judges, juries, and prosecutors to show mercy, the difference between those who receive the death penalty and those who do not is minimal. Finally, because the system allows it, the financial costs to state and local governments can be staggering.
In spite of these shortcomings, it is my view that pursuing a death sentence in appropriate cases is the right thing to do. There is no adequate and acceptable alternative. Life Without Parole does not eliminate the risk that the prisoner will murder a guard, a visitor, or another inmate, and we should not be compelled to take that risk. It is also not unheard of for inmates to escape from prison. The prisoner will not be eligible for parole until the next legislative session, when the parole laws can be changed. Considering that a defendant sentenced to “life imprisonment” across the country actually serves on the average less than 8 years in prison, it is a good bet that “life without parole” will not have the meaning intended as years go by. Even the most “law and order” legislators will begin to consider alternatives when the medical bills for geriatric care of prisoners start rolling in.
No system of justice can produce results which are 100% certain all the time. Mistakes will be made in any system which relies upon human testimony for proof. We should be vigilant to uncover and avoid such mistakes. Our system of justice rightfully demands a higher standard for death penalty cases. However, the risk of making a mistake with the extraordinary due process applied in death penalty cases is very small, and there is no credible evidence to show that any innocent persons have been executed at least since the death penalty was reactivated in 1976. The 100+ death row inmates “innocent”, “exonerated” and released, as trumpeted by anti-death penalty activists, is a fraud. The actual number of factually innocent released death row inmates is closer to 40, and in any event should be considered in context of over 7,000 death sentences handed down since 1973. It stands as the most accurate judgment/sentence in any system of justice ever created. The inevitability of a mistake should not serve as grounds to eliminate the death penalty any more than the risk of having a fatal wreck should make automobiles illegal. At the same time, we should never ignore the risks of allowing the inmate to kill again.
Our “system” was created by legislators and judges. In order for the death penalty to remain a meaningful and effective punishment, those same legislators and judges need to make necessary changes to reflect the will of the people in a democratic society.
Steven D. Stewart
Prosecuting Attorney
Clark County, Indiana
For those interested I posted info here http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/ that relates to “ The Death Penalty”.
I thought it best not to load this site down and risk the wrath of my fellow bloggers.
Because of the slow down it would cause.
judypc, thanks for sharing, I too believe in the death penalty, & in KC’s case, I will respect the verdict she is given.
Judypc, interesting reading, thank you.
Judypc:
Wow, you brought the chat to a standstill…lol
13 + hrs without comment, Judypc you brought the chat to a stop…
LindaFromNewYork said, on May 28, 2010 at 8:10 pm
By other’s minds I mean you (whoever you may be) are making him MEAN something, when he mean’s nothing.
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Linda, I certainly do respect your opinion, but he does mean something to the people and friends and family of people that he has tortured. Apparently he has not pasted your picture, name and address on the internet, made up filthy lies about you and threatened your children. To many people, he is a disgrace and a threat to decency and those people have the right to fight for what they believe it. Besides the fact that he has committed immoral acts, I truly belive he can and will have a hand in getting a mistrial. Whether it is intentional or not, his constant meddling and imposing himself on people is not going to end well.
Actually it looks like there was a 12 hour break in comments 3:38 am – 3:34 pm before Judy’s comments. There’s nothing new to talk about regarding the case (I personally will not even “go there” when it comes to discussing the DP on this site, but that’s just me). Spring is in the air. It’s a long week-end.
Things will pick up on Tuesday before, during and after the motions hearing. It will be interesting to say the least.
I would like to add to my comment about a mistrial. I am a Florida state taxpayer, and if this goes to mistrial, I, and most of the other Florida taxpayers are not going to be happy campers. I should think that the recusal of the Judge should perk up ears and get people thinking – some of us have thought about it. I will again state, whether it is intentional or not, it is a very real possibility.
Oh hush up.
(jokingly of course)
What exactly is a Supreme anyway? Has that question been answered yet? Is the answer something like Diana Ross?
Peace
~ScissorLips~
I think the lapse in comments is due to it being a holiday…hope everyone is having a nice Memorial Day weekend. It’s time to put our pool up today!
hatcat7 said, on May 30, 2010 at 8:55 am
I would like to add to my comment about a mistrial. I am a Florida state taxpayer, and if this goes to mistrial, I, and most of the other Florida taxpayers are not going to be happy campers. I should think that the recusal of the Judge should perk up ears and get people thinking – some of us have thought about it. I will again state, whether it is intentional or not, it is a very real possibility.
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I dont agree, the Judge recused himself immediately and more than a year, before the trial proper was due to start. He admitted no wrong doing and clearly cited his reasons for granting the order.
His actions were purely to protect the process and imho his rulings would withstand any scrutiny.
And besides, the defense ASKED for him to step down!
I think we can all agree the judicial killing of a defendant by legal process shall not be bribed with special privileges or manipulated by the politically ambitious. While in theory these legal processes are safe-guarded from undue influence by law and the rules of judicial procedure, we have all seen those safe-guards disregarded with the recusal of Judge Strictland. The motion to Disqualify Trial Judge was a win for the Defense and fairly decided. JMO
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“Judge Strictland has made off the record comments to both the prosecution and Miss Anthony’s defense lawyers that he (the judge) would like to wait until after his re-election is over to set the trial in Miss Anthony’s case…..”
( http://www.wftv.com/pdf/23176762/detail.html )
“Consistent with the results of a nationwide survey finding that elections influence capital sentencing decisions, a study of Florida death penalty cases found a statistically significant correlation between judicial overrides of life sentence recommendations and the occurrence of judicial elections.”
( http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1296013 )
As such Casey’s best interests were served.
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Another focus in this research (dated 2009) centered on Florida prosecutors and the
state’s charging practices in capital cases.
“Florida has twenty state’s attorneys, one in each judicial circuit. Over 70% of the 393 people currently on death row were sentenced to death in one of seven circuits, representing only 35% of Florida’s prosecutor’s offices. In terms of 2008 population numbers, a death sentence is seven times more likely in the Fourth Judicial Circuit (1 out of 19,000) than in the Fifteenth Judicial Circuit (1 out of 133,000), with the per capita death sentence rate in three circuits one or more standard deviations above the mean and in three other circuits a standard deviation below the mean (suggesting significant variation in charging and/or sentencing tendencies).”
( http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1296013 )
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In light of this idea that few prosecutor offices in Florida have written policies governing the charging decision in capital cases and also charging practices that seem to vary significantly among prosecutor offices, how curious to know whether or not other state’s attorneys in other judicial circuits would have placed the death penalty on Casey’s dinner plate? JMO
Hi hatcat. Oh no I get that. What he has pulled with his stunts regarding commenters he has trashed. I mean to the future of the trial. The people who he has wtonged should move ahead with whatever action they feel is necessary. HE put himself out there by writing a public blog and writing about his experience with the juge and then that PI. Any backlash he has recieves is in direct response to those writings. However, the COMMENTERS did NOT put themselves out there and did NOT deserve any personal info being deposed, especially what was done to a certain commenter. The way I see it is if you write a blog you should be prepared for people to have respond negatively and not be a big baby about it and lash out by outalndish name calling. Perhaps had that blogger not behaved in that manner he would not have so many enemies. BAB went up and it seems he is retaliating by the headless chicken blog and some “gay” blog doing just what he says is filthy and disgusts him. I don’t think a petition is going to make hom go away and stop blogging anywhere on the internet.
BUT as far as the trial goes, IMO he is persona non grata and don’t see anything he has done in the past or will do in the future result in a mistrial. I don’t think a petition is going to get him banned from the courtroom or stop him from disussing the case. There are many people blogging and commenting about the case disussing facts and opinion.
I guess we can agree to disagree? I hope so….
Snowy:
You can see each states record on this post for 2010.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/message/1275167319/U.S.+Excutions+in+2009+%26amp%3B+2010
There is also another post that details every state and list the case so you can see what the reasons were for the DP to be given.
I have tried to give the history of the DP since it was brought back, and show how each state uses it.
And I followed the history of the DP in the U.S tracking back to the first one
This info is not in support of, or against the DP, it is simply data to show how the laws are applied and where.
Some of you that thinks Florida hands out the DP like free coupons at save-mart may be very surprised.
Doug Wollenburg:
YIKES !!
I was being good, I swear….
Hi judypc.
Isn’t it amazing that the DP does not even deter murderer’s?? I think it is because none of them think they will get caught. But I’ll tell you, it seems Texas is NOT the state to commit murder. I was on some site and it thad a section, somthing like “last words” of prisoner’s put to death and most came from Texas….
The site is Tru Tv under most read stories “Last Words Before Execution”.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/
jmho, I wish ALL 50 STATES handed out maximum sentences for parent’s that murder their children. As we have seen across the US, the sentences vary for the most heinous, atrocious act a parent can commit towards their innocent child.
Perhaps IF parent’s were given the maximum sentence consistently, it would deter the murder of innocent children. We can’t really judge that, as there are no records or statistics to go by, & some sentences as “so light” that it sickens me, I always ask myself, “WHY is a child’s life worth less than an adult’s?” I am glad at least in the Sandra Cantu case, Melissa Huckaby plead to “LWOP” to avoid the DP. imo, she did the right thing, may she rot in jail.
I hope Ethan Sloop’s Mother and Stepfather get the DP, too. That case is even more horrific that Caylee’s. Hard to imagine, but it truly is.
ThoughtElf, It is so irksome to me that in some of the cases in the past few years, the mother’s are putting the children in “harms way,” the boyfriend could be a convicted felon or a sexual predator, they murder the child & the mother’s aren’t charged with the murder or even as assessories in some cases.. imo, when you have knowledge the man you are with is a sexual predator, served prison time for a sexual crime, violent in arguments w/you, or are physically abusive to your children, then YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE that something could happen to your child & it is your responsibility to protect your child.
In Nevaeh Bucanan’s case, her mother was friend’s with someone who had served time for rape. jmo, in some of these cases, it seems to me that the mother’s have FAILED to protect their children & knowingly put their children at risk.
Art, I couldn’t agree more.
In many of these cases, it seems as if there is a common thread of desperation with the Mothers. So frightened of being without a man that they’d let their children become pawns and victims. Or so eager for their next drug fix that they’ll all but sell they children for a hit. They’re not just putting their children in harm’s way, they are enabling the abusers who ultimately murder these babies.
Here is a thunk for you: Isn’t it sadly ironic that GA says he saw Casey buckle Casey into her car seat? You know, the way normal parents behave to protect their children from harm in case of an accident?
Kind of makes your head spin, doesn’t it?
ThoughtElf, you hit the nail on the head, “a common thread of desperation.” Sadly, it is ironic that GA says he saw KC buckle Caylee. Hindsight is always 20/20, I wonder if the ANT’s ever “truly search their hearts” for any signs that KC was capable of mistreating Caylee. imo, I have always felt they KNEW EXACTLY who KC was with the lying & stealing, but were blind sided by the murder of Caylee. I truly believe they didn’t think KC was capable of murder, OR, imo, they wouldn’t put Caylee in harms way which was KC. It is terribly sad
art tart:
You ask, “WHY is a child’s life worth less than an adult’s?”
Children are powerless because, they do not vote, they have no money, their voices are not heard because they hold no power.
Trust me if they could show up on election day, or write big checks to the political parties their would be laws protecting them.
So, it is up to those of us that do punch the ballots and write the checks to make sure children are protected.
It is up to us to see that justice is their for our most innocent citizens.
IMO, Anyone that harms a child should receive the harshest punishment available, child molesters should “NEVER” be released from prison, it should be automatic LWOP.
It is a proven fact they can not be rehabilitated, they will molest again, and by the time they are caught, they will have molested dozens of children.
Those children grow up, and often become predators’, you stop the circle by removing the problem.
Child murderers should face the DP, children are helpless when faced with this kind of evil.
I have no pity for anyone that murders, a child, the elderly, or the handicapped.
If they prey on the weak, they do not deserve pity.
I’m always conflicted. I do believe strongly in the premise of the right to due process and a fair trial, but I don’t think justice should take so long, nor do I believe most punishments are harsh enough.
I can admit to a nasty streak that can easily come up with more rigorous forms of punishments that fit the crimes. Duct tape, for example, might be a fitting form of fulfilling a death sentence.
I understand being angry and wanting to lash out and hurt these people. How could they harm a child? paedophiles, rapists, abusers, murderers of children, they should all be put to death right? I am conflicted too. I don’t want these people ever walking the streets again, ever. 1 strike you are out. Death Penalty if there are multiple eye witnesses, yes. DP solely based on forensics or science, not so sure. Mistakes have been made and innocent people have been locked up, sometimes for decades. Some have even been wrongfully put to death. But what I think is worse than that, is to let our emotions fuel the decision on what should happen to them. As a society we must have rules, and everyone should have to follow them, just as everyone should face the same consequence. However, the teen boy who sends x-rated pics to his gf (sexting) should not be labelled an SO and put in the same box as someone who kidnaps, rapes, and murders children. That, is wrong. Allow the parents 5 mins in the room with them, no. Just as in this case, use duct tape. no. We cannot lower ourselves to the same level or we are doomed. We must rise above it. That being said, the punishments are not harsh enough and these 2-1′s or time served or good behaviour reductions are a farce, stupid, and need to stop.
Well said Beast, many same feelings I have, just not adaptable to writing it out as you
have. What is your opinion on our states having different levels of punishment. I have
a tendency to think that as a Country it should be the same in all states, but am open to
understanding other viewpoints. Thanks At this time I do not know if the death penalty
is morally right. I know it has been done, and I have never flinched about it. That’s
because someone else did the deed I had no hands on so it leaves my thought.
To me in some of the cases in the past few years, the mother’s are putting the children in “harms way,” the boyfriend could be a convicted felon or a sexual predator, they murder the child & the mother’s aren’t charged with the murder or even as assessories in some cases.. imo, when you have knowledge the man you are with is a sexual predator, served prison time for a sexual crime, violent in arguments w/you, or are physically abusive to your children, then YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE that something could happen to your child & it is your responsibility to protect your child. We see this time & time again.
In Nevaeh Bucanan’s case, her mother was friend’s with someone who had served time for rape. jmo, in some of these cases, it seems to me that the mother’s have FAILED to protect their children & knowingly put their children at risk. She didn’t even have custody of her child, she was just babysitting for Nevaeh when she was abducted.
imo, whether the DP is given or LWOP, either is appropriate for these horrendous murders of the most victim’s, we have to continue to be advocates for tougher sentences for the most innocent victim’s murderer’s along with their families & State Attorney’s, be their voice for Justice. imo.
duplicate post, sorry
What’s up for tomorrow’s hearing?
1. Motion to Seal Jail Visit Logs
2. Reconsideration of Specific Previous Rulings by Judge Strickland
a. TES records – delayed as Defense didn’t properly book NeJame – this will be rescheduled for a later date
b. Defense – would like Joe Jordan’s illegally taped interview to be unsealed (we know from previous attempt that this can be denied as Mort can testify to the interview himself as a first-hand participant.)
c. Defense wants a copy of George Anthony’s Grand Jury testimony. (No idea how they can be allowed this?!? Will be interesting to see if they managed to dig up any case law supporting this request.)
d. Defense also wants the 7,000 tips from early in the case. (Fishing expedition for… what? And weren’t they already made available, but Defense wouldn’t pay for them? Note: that was was they were still flush with money from the sale of Caylee’s pictures, and long before Casey was declared indigent.)
e. Defense doesn’t like the States response with the list of Aggravating Factors they may use. (This seems as if the decision could go either way, as Judge Perry does often note that, “Death is different.” Even if he requests that the State does elaborate on the list, I don’t expect we will see an real shockers outlined in a response. I almost wonder if the Defense hopes hear a game changer, not so that they can continue on down the garden path to revisit the Statue of SODDI, but more for the purpose of encouraging Casey to step up & plea?)
f. Defense – Supplemental Motion to Compel Forensic Evidence. (No idea how Perry will rule on this. This motion is like the TES records motions. JB just keeps filing it over and over, no matter how frequently he has been told that the State simply can’t compel much of what they are asking for, and that Defense can get other specifics on their own – if they would knuckle down and do their work.Even Jose himself said last hearing that the State has been trying to help them.)
Popcorn?
I am watching IN SESSION & Jamie Wyn???? just said:
1. The jail is tipping the MEDIA as to WHO visits KC . This is NOT TRUE! There is NO EVIDENCE of this, WHY is that Defense Attorney’s think they can say ANYTHING whether based in reality or not? The only reporting I have seen on WHO visits KC in addition to her family early on is on the “Caylee Daily” in which periodically they post a copy of the visits to KC. One of the articles they have done is how few visits she has received from her Defense Team. This falls under the SUNSHINE Law & I would be surprised if this was granted.
Jamie predicts this will be ruled in the Defense’s favor but the JAIL Attorney has said previously in prior motions they would not make exceptions for KC Anthony.
art tart:
Jamie needs to think Florida and “Sunshine Law” defense is saying they want different rules for “Their” client.
They are also saying the state bullied J.Jordon to change his story, so they want the tape he made, if they want to prove that wonder why they do not get him in court and let him tell the judge the state beat him with a rubber hose, egads what a bunch of fluff heads.
Does anyone know if this was done on time by defense?
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/message/1275166983/Florida+Rules+of+Criminal+Procedure+and+the+death+penalty
I’d like some popcorn TE! Gonna be an interesting hearing, I think!
“An eye for an eye results in a blind nation.” attributed to Gandhi, I believe. Makes sense, although, Hamurabi’s code also makes sense to me. So which is correct? A question for the ages. Do we seek understanding of the criminal perp as we witness so many children tortured, abused and murdered? Or do we seek retribution, punishment, for those who would commit such horrendous acts?
Our children are our most valuable resource and our largest group of disenfranchised citizens. They cannot vote so they have no input into our laws. They are totally dependent on society, particularly their parents. We harshly punish those who abuse animals. Push a dog in a lake and the public outcry will be for your incarceration! Why are we not even MORE outraged by the murder of a child? And yet, we allow unscrupulous attorneys to play games with our court system when it comes to the defense of the perpetrator. Now I honestly believe casey, and all other accused felons, should be given a fair and speedy trial. But I personally find it abhorrent that the “reasonable doubt” mandate has been so broadly misused and criminals walk free….allowed to prey on yet another innocent.
I am sick already of hearing “death is different”. Is LWOP less cruel and unusual? Is there any justice in a “life imprisonment” sentence that will allow casey her freedom while she is still of child bearing age? Should she EVER be allowed to become pregnant again? Should we, as a society, risk her repeat offense? Should she be free to live her life, since she took that same freedom from her child? Yes, death is different….casey should know. Her “discipline” of Caylee, IMO, resulted in the death of an innocent child! Where is the justice for that? Under Hamurabi’s code, the punishment is death. But what about Gandhi? Will we then be a blind nation?
judypc, the thing is, Jamie W. is a Fla. Criminal Defense Attorney & she knows the Laws in Fla. WHY Criminal Def Attorney’s seem to be able to say whatever drives me crazy. To ACCUSE the Jail of calling the MEDIA & releasing KC’s visitor logs seems more than irresponsible & INACCURATE as there is absolutely no proof of this.
The MOTION to have these names sealed is ridiculous. The STATE is entitled to the names so they can do depositions on them but I guess Baez WANTS to with hold witness names now. This seems embarrassingly petty imo. You make a great point about J. Jordon.
IN SESSION will cover this hearing starting at 12:00.
If Mark NeJame is in court today, this might be fun to watch.
He has a catty little way of calling them dumb ass’es and making it sound polite for the court lol.
He also counters every word out of their mouth with the law, kind of makes Jose’s head spin.
I love the look on Jose’s face when he is nailed to the wall, that deer in the headlights glare that over takes him.
judypc, M NeJames won’t be in Court Today as he stated he had a Family Vacation that started June 1st. He did file a MOTION that the TES MOTION not be heard & it isn’t scheduled. Seems with all his experience & swagger, C Mason had “forgotten to notify M NeJames.” LOL! Mason fits right in with Baez & associates. imo.
I agree, M NeJames is an astute, experienced criminal defense attorney that can recite the law & its statutes, causing Baez to look ridiculous & as the inexperienced attorney he is. I loved it when NeJames said of Judge Perry, “he doesn’t suffer fools lightly” referring to Baez. LOL!
Does anyone know what time the hearing is today?
mixologist74:
I believe it is 2pm Florida time.
2 pm eastern time
Thank you. How are you this morning, Kim?
Yes, judypc, Mr. NeJame runs circles around Baez.
Has anyone seen the “Nostradamus Quatrain” regarding KC? Some places are saying it means she is innocent, others not. Perhaps the Dream Team will want to depose him. LOL!
“Death is Different”. Yes, very different when a 2 1/2 yedar old girl is killed by the hand of her mother.
If anyone is interested, IN SESSION Message Board has a lot of the links posted:
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=368811
conman on Tru
awww.. it is the bid bad bloggers that are intimidating the experts…that is why the defense wants it sealed> OMG Life according to conman
I must have missed Conway…I have TruTv on, but I’ve been busy with the kiddos. Thank goodness for DVR
He was on about 20 minutes again. He said that the public discussion of this case and the hate mail that the defense has gotten was negatively affecting her ability to get people to testify…paraphrasing … but that was the gist of it. Then they yada yada on about the “disqualified” judge rulings being reviewed. They also talk about how casey is prohibited from visiting her family (again, the public discussion, don’t you know). conman says bozo doesn’t have standing in prohibiting the release of the GJ transcript, but he does.
Does anyone think george lied in later depos in order to negate the truthfulness of the GJ testimony?
I don’t think that’s the reason. I think the grand jury testimony was the most truthful he has been, because he didn’t have Cindy kicking him in the shins when he said something that would paint Casey in a bad light. Same story with the FBI interview. George only started lying when Cindy started “controlling” what he said…she had a story, and he was to stick to it or else.
Or to get Cindy to release her Death Grip on his though during interviews?
LOL…ThoughtElf
I hope they change the camera angle?
Where is KC?
Video keeps going in and out for me. Anyone else having that problem?
Not on WFTV. Just make sure to click it occasionally or it goes inactive.
It’s on TruTV, if you have that channel.
Decision to seal the visitation records is still pending and the Judge will rule on it next week, after doing further research.
On the motion to obtain JJ’s illegal recording, Mason cites a case, but wasn’t prepared. Judge Perry asks to have the case pulled and brought to the court room. Cheney does not seem efficient today. Interruptions looking for cases & citations are distracting from his argument.
OH, Go Belvin!
Asking Defense outright if they are implying taint on Judge Strickland’s previous ruling, or just going for another bite of the apple?
CM stated that JJ’s statement that the body wasn’t there, doesn’t mean that she didn’t kill Caylee.
I swear he wants a plea.
2nd bite or are you saying, Judge S”s ruling was tainted? Looks like Mr. Big could not come up with any answer whatsoever on that one. 2nd bite indeed. Like a 2 year old if mom says no, try dad!!
Denied! No release of JJ’s tape.
Next motion: George’s Grand Jury testimony.
When Mason came on board, I thought he’d be a stellar performer. After watching today, I am thinking… not so much.
Well he IS more coherent than Baez.
TruTv is showing some Masterminds show and ditched the hearing.
True, but no better prepared.
CH9 twittered this:
Casey Anthony isn’t in courtroom because she fell at courthouse. Apparently she got tangled in her restraints: http://bit.ly/dw6qBD
She fell down, Go Boom?
Maybe somebody pushed her. LOL!
http://www.wftv.com/news/23752570/detail.html
“Casey Anthony suffered a fall in the courthouse while being transported to the courtroom and received what appear to be minor injuries when her restraints became entangled and she fell forward. Escorting officers were unable to catch her before she fell. She is currently being seen by medical personnel in an undisclosed location,” Orange County Corrections spokesperson Allen Moore said in a release. “Based on all information available, this was purely an accident.”
Oh, JB, JB, JB. You could have had the tips a year ago. You just wouldn’t pay for them.
Quoting myself:
http://billsheaffer.wordpress.com/2010/05/25/what-did-the-supremes-mean/#comment-18900
Accident? Nope! Karma.
Quote du jour, “Let’s get it done.”
I do like Judge Perry.
ThoughtElf, Karma it is !
Oh boy, he is CRYING about Oakridge Labs again. Waaaaaaaaaa, they won’t give me what I want…..Waaaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaa,
Judge Perry must be a Larry the Cable Guy fan…..GET-R-DONE! Thank God and it is about time.
I am glad that Judge Perry quoted the specifics relating to motions formerly ruled on by Judge Strickland. I think he made it very clear that the good Judge Strickland’s integrity is not going to be questioned. The defense must SHOW the decisions he made are questionable. Thank you Judge Perry…that is only fair! The defense would have had a field day at Judge Strickland’s expense if Judge Perry hadn’t been proactive in keeping this case on track.
KC chipped a tooth and busted her lip in the fall reports another media outlet.
Well JB, that little joke fell darn flat, didn’t it?
George must be really pissed lol a no show yet again.
Guess he did not take well to Casey’s claim he is a perv.
I swear if I hear “death is different” in this case one more time I may SCREAM!!!!!
Talk about driving something into the ground, I rather like todays “lets get her done”
I think “Let’s get it done!” would be a great new battle cry for Caylee, don’t you?
Did anyone else hear C MASON say, “I am not saying she didn’t kill the baby,” (I can’t remember what he called Caylee,) but the remains weren’t there & she was in jail. I am going to have to go back & re-watch this part, BUT, has Mason LOST his mind??? I bet Baez could have died! jmo.
Mason seemed disconnected, discombobulated, lost his swagger, wasn’t grinning & laughing as he has in the past, unprepared, wonder what’s up with him? jmo.
Art tart, I caught that too. I wondered what the hell he was thinking, saying that. I agree, Mason seemed a bit scatterbrained today.
Holy Poop Mixologist, HE is NOT denying that KC killed Caylee, BUT, Baez claims she is innocent. jmo. Lyon’s said, “she didn’t kill her kid!” Also, did you notice when Mason was “speechless” when Judge P ask Mason something to the effect of was there a problem with Judge S’s rulings or did they want a second bite at the apple? I am so under-impressed with this Defense Team as time goes on, they seem to be doing poorly with their Motions, & one thing I notice, they rarely ever site past cases as references. That should tell them something. jmo.
Remember, the defense reads the blogs. It’s possible after reading what he’d said BEFORE he took this case, his memory was refreshed and he couldn’t state that he now believes in her innocence!
Hi eveyone,
It wasn’t a good day for the defense or Casey. I was glad Judge Perry mentioned the law concerning recused Judges and their rulings. Seems like there’s protection on the books for recused jugges, giving a hint to Baez & Co. that over-ruling Judge S was unlikely. Heads up, it’s not going to happen. I’m not sure if that’s a good thing or not if and when this case is appealed.
As for Joe Jordan, I don’t think his testimony was that important. I think the testimony of 32 TES searchers will work just as well. Imagine 32 people, one by one saying “nope didn’t see it”. Of course they will say this area was underwater, but I wonder if LE had communicated to TES that a meter man had called on 3 separate occasions in mid-August of seeing a suspicious bag would have mattered to Tim Miller.
Understandable he doesn’t want to upset evidence but wasn’t finding Caylee his main objective? The reason he came to Orlando?
Just a thought from the other side…
Ya’ll get your alibi’s worked out lol.
Cause you know team Casey will find a way to say the mean ol bloggers tripped her on the way into court, and of course the state paid us to do it
art tart:
I loved it when Judge Perry brought up that “second bite of the apple” and Mason gave that poop eating grin and that ” got me” look.
It was priceless.
art tart:
I think about now Mason is having a huge OH CRAP moment.
He thought he could swagger in and awe the court, then he screwed up BIG time and got the sweetheart judge booted, and now Judge Perry is not having any of that defense play time.
Bet they will hear DENIED in their sleep tonight.
Who wants to take bets that next, they will want Casey’s shackles removed because she hurt her widdle face?
the Jbmission:
I do not think Judge Perry was protecting Judge Strickland, they simply did not have standing.
To overturn his rulings takes more than the fact he stepped down, there would have to be a mistake in his ruling, Judge Strickland was careful in his ruling, and when he was in doubt he held off his judgments until he researched the law.
Trust me Judge Strickland was a gift to the defense wrapped up in a pretty bow.
Where Judge Perry is far less forgiving.
I promise they are regretting the change big time.
Team Casey knew they were tilting at windmills with these motions, and Mason Knew the jig was up when Perry hit him with that second bite question, this Judge is not having their foolishness.
I have the strangest feeling that Casey is going to break. It is no longer about her, it is
all about the ongoings between the state and defense. She is not getting attention, and
obviously is hearing some less assurance in the hearings. She is fixture in this case but
not really the focus. I observe the shoulders of the defense are lowered in stature as of
late.
BB:
She has to be getting a wee bit worried, this judge is just not going her way at all.
He keeps leaving that danged D.P. on the table, and saying No No No to everything.
And “her boy’s” just aren’t as much fun in court any more.
Hi JudyPC,
I’m puzzled by your response. Surely you heard Judge Perry read off the code referring to Judges who were recused and their previous rulings? He said this right before he asked Baez about taking another bite of the apple. If you don’t believe me, just go back and re-watch the hearing.
It’s there and Judge P. explained it clearly.
Jbmission said:
“I’m puzzled by your response. Surely you heard Judge Perry read off the code referring to Judges who were recused and their previous rulings? He said this right before he asked Baez about taking another bite of the apple. If you don’t believe me, just go back and re-watch the hearing.”
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You’re wrong about that. Judge Perry didn’t ask Baez about the 2nd bite of the apple, he was speaking to Mason at the time and asked the apple question of him.
JB:
Just because he read the law does not mean there was anything wrong in Judge Strickland’s previous rulings.
When he ask Mason if they were claiming wrong doings on Strickland’s part, or if they were just wanting another bite, I read his meaning very clearly, as did defense.
You noticed Mason did not dare attack Strickland’s appliance of the law in his past rulings, because there was no grounds to do so, had he tried to do so it would have gotten pretty ugly, pretty fast.
Judge Perry did not have to protect Judge Strickland because Judge Strickland had followed the law.
If there had been a problem, I do not think Judge Perry would have brushed it off, after all he is now the one that is in charge, and judges that are creditable do not blink when it comes to applying the law to a case.
JudyPC .. how do you know all this?
Judge Perry in a nice way put defense on notice that he was not going to allow defense to rehash every motion that did not go their way.
Unless they could show where Judge Strickland had been unfair to them, or had not ruled by the book, he was not going to waste the courts time, the tax payers money, just because the defense wanted to be cry babies because they lost.
It is time to buck up, get moving, they have had “two” years and you could see Judge Perry thought it was unreal that they were still in the beginning stages of this case.
In all respect to Judge Strickland, that is his Bad, he did not put a stop to the foolishness, this case should have already been ready for trial, he allowed them to act like 1st graders in the court, they pissed away time and money and have nothing to show for it.
art tart said, on June 1, 2010 at 6:52 pm Did anyone else hear C MASON say, “I am not saying she didn’t kill the baby,” (I can’t remember what he called Caylee,) but the remains weren’t there & she was in jail. I am going to have to go back & re-watch this part, BUT, has Mason LOST his mind??? I bet Baez could have died! jmo.
NO! I didn’t catch that part, OMG I have to re-listen too.
talking2much:
When Mason was pleading on the J.Jordon tape they wanted, he said something to the effect of
” this does not prove she did not kill the baby, but if the body was put there after she was arrested it shows she had help”
The above is not word for word but pretty close.
Yes, I did hear that. I also thought he said something about “not doing it alone” or “had to have help”??? I could be very well be wrong, I had some stuff going on at my house while listening/watching the hearing.
judypc, you are correct, there are “no legal grounds” to overturn Judge S.’s rulings. IF the DEFENSE thought this was a possibility, they are sadly mistaken. Judge’s make their rulings on the law, not their own opinions. IF the Defense wanted to challenge Judge S.’s ruling on any of their past Motions, they would HAVE TO have the Case # to back up their argument. They have NONE. WHY? Because Judge S. has the Motions researched & based his rulings on Case Law & past cases.
It was embarrassing watching C Mason bumble around looking for a Case # which didn’t apply. It seems the Defense just files Motions with nothing to support their position. If you notice when the STATE responded to the Defenses Motions on the DP, they listed several examples of case law & past cases to support their position. This is something the Defense rarely does.
Oops, judypc, typing comment the same time as you. :0
OK it’s on part 2 on WFTV, he says it does not mean, as a matter of law that she did not kill this child, …..he goes on to say that if the body was dumped while she was in jail then she had to have help.
Same thing Cindy said.
That still seems incriminating to his client though, doesn’t it?
Hello , I saw the hearing and I read a bit online. For Instance: “According to a spokesman for the Orange County Corrections Department, Anthony received minor injuries after “her restraints became entangled and she fell forward.” Officers were unable to catch her before she fell, the spokesman said. Anthony’s attorney, Jose Baez, told reporters after the hearing that Anthony was in the elevator on her way to the hearing when she fell and that she was hurt enough to receive medical treatment.”
Sorry? Restraints? Does that mean her feet were chained? What on earth for, she can’t escape with guards around her? Is that standard procedure for a suspect, to have those chains on? (hope not).
I didn’t get the part about the dp; I thought they would discuss that too, but I also had to go off line before the end of the hearing.
If casey would confess in this stage, what would that mean for the punishment? Would she get prison time? Or still the dp? I might have asked before, but I am getting a bit older so I don’t remember if any one answered.
arttart: “Judge’s make their rulings on the law, not their own opinions” ? Everybody makes their own opinions I think, a judge too?
judypc, thanks for the correction on the “doesn’t prove she didn’t kill the baby.” I thought that was a Horrific MISTAKE on the defense’s position that their client is innocent. I am going to re-watch too again today. This was the highlight of the hearing, imo.
Remember early on when CA called the Detective & left a 10 minute voice mail ranting that KC would have had to have help? Wonder if this is what C Mason was also referring to that other’s might be involved. I understand that they want to claim that the remains weren’t there, imo, this won’t fly either.
It seems the defense is putting too much “emphasis” on J Jordan. Jordan was from out of town, he is NOT AN EXPERT or a professional, if the Defense is so damn HOT about the Joe Jordan tape they did illegally, WHY don’t they just do a Deposition on him! jmo.
It seemed absolutely ridiculous that the Defense wanted GA’s Grand Jury Testimony! They should have KNOWN by case law, this would NEVER be allowed. The STATE has the “ability to file perjury against GA if they choose to,” the Defense doesn’t have that ability.
imo, the Defense Team did an embarrassing job yesterday, not only did Baez seem unprepared but so did C Mason. Wonder if Mason is having FUN yet?
LNY it sure seems incriminating to me! LOL
I wouldn’t want my lawyer saying such things.
To me it shows they may drag even more people into this if she is convicted.
My question is: Who would dispose of a body for her?
I seem to have decaptivated Casey, sorry
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Ina, a Judge ruling on Motions in KC’s case, is based on the Law, if not, they can be appealed.
Every single person in the world can have an opinion, but in a Court of Law, rulings on made on the Law, not opinions.
Yo Hola: common sense.
Judge Perry was very articulate in his ruling. The defense has to show that Judge Strickland was in some way legally derelict before Judge Perry is going to change his ruling… period. That is the law, he quoted the statute and I think perry mason heard him loud and clear. His response was “you almost got me”. The concept was crystal clear…no legal mistake, no second bite….that is the law and Judge Perry goes by the statute as written.
talking2much:
Remember Lee’s lawyer saying
” he had done some things that he could be arrested for”
I think he was feeling the tires of that big bus he was about to go under, he cut a deal with the state, and has remained silent and out of sight ever since.
Also note, that George has stopped coming to court, defense is going to toss some close family members under that bus, thing is Lee has a deal where he will not be charged, Conway to my knowledge was not able to cut a sweetheart deal for George & Cindy, he tried more than once, but if they ever penned one it was kept on the q.t.
Looks like defense is looking to spread the guilt out among the Anthony’s.
judy
Lee has use immunity only…there is no deal where he cannot be charged for crimes he may have been involved in, if any…in fact he and both G and C have same situation, use immunity…
Judypc
Yep, we have pretty much known the A’s will take a fall in this case. I wonder though whether Lee is willing to finish ruining his life over this, I’m beginng to think not.
I think if the defense wanted to, they could say there is no evidence that Cindy ever returned Caylee to her mother on Fathers day, all we have is Geo and cindy’s word for it and we know what that’s worth. That’s where I would go with it,
Could be reasonable doubt.
RS, the only way Lee can be charged in “other crimes” is that if someone else testifys he was “involved in a crime.” IF Lee told the STATE Att.’s everything, including a crime he might have committed, he will still be okay if he testifys to it in court, IF he withheld information from the STATE, he can be charged. This, imo, is where D Casey comes into play. The one man that holds the “key” to everything.
For example: Did D Casey really do his “investigative deposition?” Did he get TOTAL IMMUNITY, telling who sent him close to the remains spot, did he implicate Lee?” We don’t know any of these answers & probably NOT get them anytime soon. IF D Casey did a deposition, it may be withheld from the public. I wish we had the information on this “creepy little man.”
I agree, imo, GA/CA are probably in big trouble. GA may be charged with perjury, until trial, we won’t know what all they have done or participated in. We will just have to wait.
RS:
I seem to recall Lee’s lawyer saying he penned the deal for Lee, after which he said he was no longer needed to protect Lee.
I think the deal was a bit more than use, can’t swear to it of course because we have not seen it in the doc releases.
It is just my opinion, or hunch if you will that there is more to it.
judypc, I agree, that was my take on the immunity. LUKA did a couple of interviews on Lee, he seemed pleased with the results & is confident Lee will not be charged. As a former Prosecutor, & now a Criminal Defense Attorney, imo, Lee made a good choice in having LUKA represent him.
Lee is not an idiot imo. He & Mallory have kept a low profile as they want a life, they are young, they don’t want the publicity or be tied to KC’s case. It will be interesting to see how Lee answers John Morgan’s questions in the Civil Case this go round. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone stepped forward & paid the Civil Suit so the Anthony’s & Lee wouldn’t have to answer ALL of the prying questions of John Morgan. They will be forced to answer the questions with a Judge present in the court proceeding, what a tremendous headache for the DEFENSE to have to contend with, KARMA!
art tart:
This is just my opinion, but I really get the sense that the civil case is really not about money.
I just get the feeling John Morgan wants the truth to be told, he just seems to have a soft spot where Caylee is centered in his motives.
He knows Casey does not have a pot to pee in, there is no money, yet he has been the thorn they can not pull from their arse.
More truth has come from his depo’s than any other place, he has shown the Anothy clan to the world for what they really are.
I just do not see him putting the time into this case he has knowing there will not be a pay day dollar wise unless he is after blood.
And I swear, I have seen blood in his eyes lol.
talking2much said, on June 2, 2010 at 9:54 am LNY it sure seems incriminating to me! LOL
I wouldn’t want my lawyer saying such things.
To me it shows they may drag even more people into this if she is convicted.
My question is: Who would dispose of a body for her?
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Ya know, it’s like, which defense is it? The Nanny did, Casey killed Caylee, but had help..the “help” pu the body there, attack the forensic science???
And really who WOULD depose of the body for her? I really do not think it was C,G or L. As much as they want to protect her, would they really dirty their hands THAT much? I don’t think so.
T2M-also, regarding your comment that there is no proof Cindy turned Caylee over to Casey in Father’s Day…THAT is a very interesting statement. Will the family be blindsided by the defense trying to point the finger at Cindy??? Again, while they have lied and spinned to protect I cannot see then take the fall for killing Caylee, In fact IF she is given the DP I cannot see them going along with ANYTHING that would paint them in a bad light (overbearing Mother, absent Father, sexual abuse, etc.).
Judypc, I agree. I think Morgan is sickened just like us, with the Anthony Clan and would love to expose them for the lying, bull***tters they are. And I also think that while you never really hear that much about people being charged with perjury, that after this trial is over, Cindy and George will have those charges brought against them. For the same reasons as Morgan.
Ina said, on June 2, 2010 at 9:53 am
Sorry? Restraints? Does that mean her feet were chained? What on earth for, she can’t escape with guards around her? Is that standard procedure for a suspect, to have those chains on? (hope not).
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It’s not all lollipops and rainbows when you are in prison. Prisoners are not restraned by strands of licorice, for cryin’ out loud!! Is that what your prsions are like (I hope not)S.O.P in all prisons.
judy pc, I absolutely agree that the Civil Suit is NOT about money. It is about the “arrogance & entitlement” of KC & the Anthony family. This could have so easily been resolved as John Morgan ask in the beginning, but NO! There wasn’t enough drama for the Anthony’s, originally, the amount was $15,000.00. Conway & the Anthony’s hit the media tour, Conway telling the public that “ZG wanted her 15 minutes of fame” & it should be dismissed. Baez had KC’s money & could have easily paid the 15,000.00 , if & it would have gone away. Due to the behavior of the Defense & the Anthony’s this has escalated to anger the professionals at the Morgan firm. Baez has consistently made so many mistakes due to ignorance & ineptitude, that now it has grown into a tremendous problem for the defense. Too bad Baez was “too greedy to pay the original amount just like he was too greedy to pay for picking up the emails a year ago” he is whining about now.
D Casey will get to testify & do his deposition as will the Anthony’s in Court. What it will show is again is what a liar KC is & there were only computer searches done to find the “real ZG.” It will be embarrassing, Morgan and Melnik are good attorney’s, you can tell they are furious as to how this has been handled. KARMA BABY!
Valhall has an excellent article up on the “junk science” theory claimed by the defense.
If someone helped, I would first think george did. He was close to the trunk on June 24th. When he picked up the car from the tow yard, his first thought was please don’t let that be my daughter/granddaughter. I think he actually meant granddaughter. They had talked to casey, knew it wasn’t her. WHY would his first thought have been that it was his granddaughter when he smelled decomp? I think he was praying it wasn’t Caylee, because he had told casey to get rid of “it” on the 24th and he was afraid she had NOT done so.
LindaNewYork, I agree, I know the ANT’s don’t want to be put in a “negative light” but they better get a grip & take Valium for the trial. The Anthony’s have put themselves in a bad light with the public, imo, by their Media Blitz’s showing they are willing to lie on National TV proclaiming what a wonderful mother KC is. Well, we know differently, she is a convicted felon X’s 6. They “will not be able to say this in court” as the STATE will challenge this statement and ask CA about the stealing KC from the family.
During the Penalty Phase, get ready! All the information Lyon’s assistance has collected will come out. The Anthony Family, imo, will be painted as dysfunctional, KC will be painted as misunderstood, mistreated, sexually abused, physically abused CA was controlling, GA lost the families money & was a philanderer, the list is endless as to what KC has told Lyon’s assistance. WHY don’t the ANT’s get it? I bet GA already does.
I agree about John Morgan. His fee for the case would be peanuts to him. It isn’t much even for ZFG, who, IMO, he does feel was wronged. His motto has always been “For the People” and I think he considers CAYLEE a person, unlike her sorry excuse for a family.
LindaNewYork % T2M.
Just for grins, let’s play Bus Bus who’s going under the Bus, Yes I am bein EVIL
We have Cindy with Caylee visiting grandpa, now we have Cindy saying “she did not see them that next morning, but knew they were in Casey’s room….because she could hear them sleeping”
Now, casey’s story, I got home that night, Mom and I had a huge fight, she tried to kill me, I ran out of the house and that was the last time I saw Caylee.
NOW, we have George saying “I saw them” everything was hugs kisses and lollipops.
Casey’s story.. well I had to run to the store to buy Caylee some milk, I left her with dad, I was only gone about ohhhh 1/2 an hour, well…. when I came back they were both gone, and that was the last time I saw Caylee.
I think he went to his girlfriends house, who btw looks like my nanny zanny.
You forgot Kronk, Jude.
The surveillance tape of KC’s fall will be released to the media, likely later today. So glad they caught this on tape, if only to protect her escorts from being flayed by the Defense. I’m also hoping that it circumvents any ideas Cindy might have about paying off her house debt with a lawsuit.
At least we know Morgan wouldn’t take her case.
I’m sorry, but I can’t resist.
Hey Ina, what punishment do you think Joran van der Sloot should get since he’s now the prime suspect in yet another brutal slaying of a young woman? Found slashed and deceased in a hotel room registered in his name, then he fled?
Think that wonderful Dutch National should be in shackles? Prison?
Just wondering.
Prayers out to Beth Holloway today.
Bus Bus…very funny, Judypc! “Hear then sleeping”…Now that was one of many ridiculous Cindyisms, the most ridiulous being “I am a nurse of decompostion..”
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art tart, when it is all said and done cindy will say that is not what her family is/was and she only “allowed” that to help Casey in any way she could. Just like those who plead guilty to murder, saying…”Well, I really didn’t do it, I wanted to spare my family…blah blah”,
judypc said, on June 2, 2010 at 12:37 pm
LOL yep and I don’t think Geo or Cindy would put up much of a fight either, it’s not like they’re going to get charged for it.
All they care about is enough reasonable doubt to aquit.
Tholught Elf, I thihk Joran should be in a room with you for just an hour.
Could not resist.
No idea where that l came from .
Linda: If it is so normal to have restraints on the legs of suspects, I suppose no suspect ever escapes or has escaped. If you are restraint hand and feet and fall over, just imagine how it would be. It is not needed and I bet there is a law somewhere saying it is not humane. But who cares, no one of you fine people in here I bet. Justice for some, right. Not for a suspect. They can get injured just like that apparently and I just wonder who will be blamed.
ThoughtElf, thanks for the reminder of Beth Holoway, a tireless advocate. She went down to Orlando to participate in Tim Miller’s search for Caylee. The media tried to interview her & she said she was there ONLY to search for Caylee. Bless her. The Anthony’s have NEVER been willing to actually physically do anything, they did originally show up at a search for Haleigh & GA was interviewed about 2 weeks out of “inpatient care for suicide attempt.” GA just thought he could help. The Anthony’s were later told NOT to come back.
LindaNewYork, I agree that CA will paint her family as perfect,s, imo, Baez will ask her questions to give her an opportunity to do so, BUT, during the “penalty phase is when the Anthony Family will be dumped on.” This is when ALL the information will come in that Lyon’s has had her assistant gathered. The ANT’s will be hanging out like a “cheap suit with no way to defend themselves.” Sadly, they will really see what their daughter thought of their family.
art tart said, on June 2, 2010 at 2:05 pm ThoughtElf, thanks for the reminder of Beth Holoway, a tireless advocate
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A tireless adovcate???? HuH — a mother who’s heart was broken!!
OMG Thoughtelf, that POS murdered again!
Gee, Ina, I sure hope the authorities in Peru will be much nicer to him than poor Casey with the shackles and all.
Ina said, on June 2, 2010 at 1:49 pm Tholught Elf, I thihk Joran should be in a room with you for just an hour. Could not resist.
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Could not resist.
Perhaps you should bail him out and come and stay with you.
LindaNewYork —————————
Well — maybe you should have resisted …… take control!
Ina said, on June 2, 2010 at 1:58 pm
WHAT??? are you even talking about.
Yeah poor poor convict being treated like a criminal, shackles and having to wear jail jumpsuits. Someone Do something! She should be allowed to wander around like the rest of us.
Please! No pity for this criminal. She has plenty enough for herself.
Ina, google Prisons On Peru and THEN cry about American Prisoners…
(I see Lori Berenson is out of prison)
Should be Prisons IN Peru…
Just saw the video, she fell right on her face, tipped over like a wibble.
You can just bet they are talking law suit over this.
GA & CA are hearing cha-ching….
LNY
OMG I think it would be more humane to let Joran go free to continue killing young women than to force that fine upstanding young man into a Peruvian prison..
snark,
judypc said
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Think you need to calm down ———
Judy
What do you want to bet Cindy is calling in the big dogs to get her baby girl’s tooth capped?
Maybe they should put stripper poles up in the court house for her to hold onto.
Could not resist.
talking2much:
Well of course they are, can’t have her smiling with a big ol gap in her toofies.
Just can’t help myself today, (snark snark)
Judy I was just saying to someone else, that I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn’t an argument that it would look bad to the jury so he needs her tooth capped.
I would suppose that since Casey is an adult, CA & GA can not sue the state, and if Jose’ does there goes the state funds for the trial, so which is the bigger payday?
State Trial bucks, or a state check for a law suit?
@Ina, well if you want to take this thing full circle, Casey could blame herself for being in the leg shackles that tripped her up.
I know I for one will be disgusted if Cindy stats boo hooing over Caseys fall. We still have to see a tear shed over Caylee.
Something about Joran isn’t it? So much for Dutch justice.
Computer-$800.00
Internet-$40.00
Getting to watch a sociopathic, narcisisstic, lying, hating baby killer fall on her face-priceless
I know we are supposed to have compassion for all of God’s children, and I believe that we should, no matter who they are, BUT, I’m not there yet with KC. Give me time Lord.
Amazed
If Joran had been treated like a killer should be treated, this latest girl would probably still be alive. It’s a shame.
I thought somebody would come up with that, Amazed, it is her fault she fell of course.
Can they actually sue the guards?? Or the management in that jail of where ever it was she fell? That is a bit funny. Just a bit. The whole thing is too sad to make fun of really.
Goodnight.
Judy, you really ARE Evil today! haha
LindaNewYork said, on June 2, 2010 at 4:00 pm Judy, you really ARE Evil today! haha
———————————- Ha Ha …. what is so funny about all of this????
Yo Hola, Beth Holloway travels the Country lecturing parents & Seniors of the risk of going into foreign countries & the rights American Citizens” do not have when out of the United States.” She shares her experiences with audiences as well as wrriting a book about Natalie & her experience. Beth continues to hound the Arabian Government for answers. FOX News, especially GRETA, has done a great job exposing the lack of investigation & keeping the heat on Aruba & the answers to Natalie’s death. Beth said she assumes Natalie is dead after all this time.
Yes, Yo Hola, a tireless advocate. Beth also participates in searches with Tim Miller. I am sure is involved in much more, this comes to mind when I was reminded of the date.
YUP! Hardly the Caylee Foundation which has a fishing boat & wannabe advocates running their mouths, Beth is a real advocate.
Video Released Of Casey Falling At Courthouse….
Gotta love that sunshine law.
art tart ————————— get a grip …what happened broke her her … messed up her second marriage ———- all I can say is —NOTHING you can say can change her tragety … do not try to lecture me………… I know more than you can ever imagine.
Yo hola, what was funny was judypc saying to put up stripper poles for Casey to hold on to…
Oh, I wouldn’t worry about Casey’s tooth. Her attorney’s will have her @ the dentist ASAP.
LindaNewYork said ———–NOTHING is funny about any of this ……… why would anyone think stuff is funny???
Oh give it a rest, people have a sense of humor…get over it,
“Stuff” IS funny.
talking2much ——– get over what???? this is a funny blog????
Sure , there is humor is everything. You only need to be able to recognize it when it presents itself.
I DO find humor in just about everything, and yes, this is no exception. The irony of her chipping or breaking one those horse teeth she’s so proud of is simply POETIC JUSTICE.
Someone wrote above, just like a weeble, but unlike a weeble that wobbles but doesn’t fall down, she took a major header like a ton of bricks. Poor dear.
Well Ina, the point I was trying to make to you, is that had she not killed her child, she would not have been in that elevator, in her jumpy suit with shackles on her legs, so yes, she can very well blame herself for the mess she finds herself in.
Are your working on improving the laws of the Dutch people Ina? one would hope so, what with how they aided and abetted Joran Vandesloot and his creepy dad.
Yo hola, I a am not trying to change your mind about anything. You seem to ask a lot of questions & when you get an answer, you continue to piss & moan. I stated that Beth Holloway was a tireless advocate & you seemed confused. If you don’t keep up with her case & what she is doing, it is a fair question. Beth Holloway suffered an unimaginable tragedy, the statistics are high for couples to divorce after the death of a loved one. That is a given, everybody knows that I am assuming. It is cerytainly your right to try to “discount the positive things she had done since this tragedy, I simp[ly admire what she has done.” The Anthony’s have suffered a loss & they have done nothing but live off their murdered grand daughter. Beth took her tragedy & shared her experiences.
Now that I validated why she is a tireless advocate imo, you are still pissing & moaning which is you right. Do you ever contribute anything intelligent besides continuing to ask questions of others that do contribute intelligent comments. When I am reading through the comments, every time I come to your name, you seem to be quoting what someone else has said as though you are confused. In the future, I will skip over your comment like most as it seems you are hardly answered or addressed. Sorry I tried.
Art – You said it best. Mr. and Mrs. Holloway, IMO, did everything a parent of a missing child should do. They have worked non-stop with LE, FBI, any and all International Authorities to find / get justice for their daughter. They asked for nothing but public awareness.
Ina – 1- go clean up Holland before cleaning up the US. Why are you not outraged that pedo’s, in your country, get to have porn delivered to them in jail? Are your prisoners not kept in irons when being transported from jail to court?
2- Go piss up a rope. 3 – See number 1. The US and more importantly, in this case, FL has the Death Penalty. We in the US and FL voted it for a reason and we like it. Deal with it, move on, you are not an US Citizen, you don’t count.
Morgan, good comment. LOL I couldn’t have said it better myself.
Mix – TY – I don’t comment often, but Lawd, this crap is crazy. I am in Orlando, FL and yes we have the DP. Casey Anthony ought to be thanking God that she didn’t kill her child in Texas. They LOVE the Death Penalty there and the witch would have been tried, convicted and sitting on death row by now.
Ina, so there.
I’m a firm believer in the death penalty, and I disagree with anyone who says that lethal injection is unjust or unconstitutional. What’s unjust about being put to sleep? If you take a life, you should have yours taken, PERIOD. I’m not a fan of the automatic appeal when someone receives the death penalty, but I do understand why it’s done. Nine times out of ten, these murderers are just postponing the inevitable.
Morgan, thanks, what you said is exactly correct about the Holloways. TOO bazaar that there is a Man Hunt for Yoran this evening for another murder. Unbelievable.
Morgan, you should comment more often, you have a “special way of getting directly to the point!” LOL! I agree with your entire comment.
Mixologist, I too believe in the DP but I respect those that don’t. IF I committed a murder, I would ask for the DP, I wouldn’t want to live the rest of my life without feeling a hug from my children, the lack of physical touch would make me insane. The biggest problem I have with the DP is the time it takes for the appeals. Sitting on Death Row must not be that bad as most prefer sitting there as to death.
Personally, I am not a big fan of the Death Penalty, BUT only for economic reasons. Research show it costs more to house a death row convict, due to the 15+ years of appeals than LWOP. That being said, I just don’t get it. As a Mother and Grandmother, I don’t understand how a mother can kill her child. Unfortunately Casey Anthony isn’t the 1st and won’t be the last.
I’d like to think that Casey will sit in prison, more importantly general population, for the rest of her life thinking about Caylee. Can’t help but wonder what excuses Cindy, George and Lee would come up with for not visiting her then.
Art, I love your comments. You, also, get to the point.
Morgan said, on June 2, 2010 at 8:34 pm
I’m not a big fan of the DP either. LWOP would work for me. As long as she never gets out.
I think even if she is in general population for the rest of her life she willl spend very little time thinking about Caylee. If her jail letters to Robyn are any indication she gave Caylee only a few random sentences. Any mother who had a daughter stloen (as she
claims) and murdered (by someone else according to her) and can talk about Robyns kids and how she will be their adopted aunt, then state she will have to get a pupppy or adopt a Irish baby is beyond my understanding. Anyone who has lost even a pet cant bear to talk about other peoples pets for qute awhile without tears. Not one tear from her for a precious little gir named Caylee. No, I don’t think she will wast any time thinking about Caylee, unless it is to blame her for her own predicament.
Sorry for the long post. Am usually just lurking. Now you see why.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/message/1275535184/Photo+of+Casey+%26amp%3B+her+BOO-BOO
Ina since you are a Dutch citizen, I’m curious how you feel about this azzhole Jordan who has now been implicated in the cold blooded murder of another young woman, not in Aruba, but in South America.
It seems to me that your keen interests in the American judiciary system should be refocused onto your own country and the fairness or unfairness of your own laws. The fact that this azzhole was able to circumvent justice because his father was a judge in Aruba sickens me. I heard his dad, a man in his fifties FGS, recently died of a heart attack. Karma!!! It will get evil people eventually.
Too bad that the Dutch government allowed this travesty of justice to occur. It used to frustrate me, but now I’m satisfiied. The death of the young lady in South America was obviously preventable, if only they had dealt with the obvious when the whole world objected to their handling of Natilie’s disappearance. I hope he, Jordan, languishes in a Peruvian jail for however long the courts see fit. OJ anyone.
Ina, would you care to provide your thoughts on Jordan from the Netherlands, or do you only throw in your two cents related to American news?
This blog is about Casey Anthony, so that is why I try to discuss Casey Anthony’s case, but okay; of course it is horrible that this happened. It looks like Joran killed 2 young women, and if justice had believed his confession, and if that confession was made in another way and not by means of a sensationalistic television program, it might have saved the live of Tatiana (Stephany) Flores. Lot of ifs. But I am no expert on justice, that is why I usually ask questions. And I didn’t follow that Aruba case. I don’t know Joran and I won’t judge him as I don’t know the facts, that is up to the judge. If they can find him.
Morgan: who says I am not outraged about pedo’s in my country? Should I discuss that in here? I don’t think so?
Morgan, this is a blog, not a national parliament. Your comment is just as much one as mine. Too bad for you internet is international. So is Xenophobia.
I hope that people don’t really believe that Casey’s lawyers or parents would have the ability of sending a dentist into the jail to fix her tooth up pretty! It is impossible for an outside private dentist to be brought into a jail facility to treat an inmate. She gets the jail dentist, just like evverrrrryyyyone else! If there is no root damage to her chipped tooth, the most that will likely be done is they will file any sharp or jagged edges so her tongue/lip/mouth doesn’t get cut up.
This incident was Karma – for every inappropriate smirk she’s ever had on her face since her child was murdered. Guilty or not.
Ina said, on June 2, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Tholught Elf, I thihk Joran should be in a room with you for just an hour. Could not resist.
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Aw, now that hurt my feelings.
I’ll loan you my castration tools, Elf.
Thought Elf, it was meant to punish Joran, not you.
Ina – You missed the point.
These are our laws, US Citizens voted for them, US Citizens have a say, non-US Citizens don’t. We believe our laws to be humane. We want suspected murderers in jail and in shackles.
You are wrong in stating this is about Casey Anthony. It is about the justice the Caylee Anthony deserves. As it stands, right now, all evidence points to Casey Anthony as the killer. Jeff Ashton and his team will lay it out to a jury and the jury will make the decision to convict her, then a jury will decide whether she gets the Death Penalty or LWOP.
“We believe our laws to be humane.” Well they are not. UN say (s) that the dp should be gone.
And you are wrong. This blog is about Casey Anthony and the law in this case. This also is a defense lawyers’s blog. He has this blog to explain about the law in this case. So far there has not been any convincing evidence that Casey did it. She has not been convicrted for murder and from the circumstancial evidence that we readers, bloggers, know of, she can’t possibly be convicted and killed by the State.
convicted not convicrted
Ina wrote “So far there has not been any convincing evidence that Casey did it”. Well okay perhaps you are not convinced of her guilt. The state has provided loads of evidence concerning her behaviour and lies. If you think shes innocent please tell us your deductions of her actions “and lack of” the 31 days while Caylee was missing, and since she has been in jail. If the Nanny did it why have we not heard a word of that since she was arrested?
You tell me? I just go with the evidence that has been released and no way Casey can be send to death by that. The body was put at the spot after she was locked up in jail. So there must have been some one else also? If the prosecution had solid evidence, the case wouldn’t have to drag on for years.
Beast you are in Canada. They don’t want us foreigners here!
Ina, if she were already convicted then you would say there was a rush to judgement.
The fact that it takes so long shows that our process is fair, it gives the defendant plenty of time to argue the evidence.
There is no proof the body was placed in woods after anthony’s arrest, that is and has been only defense BS and spin and parroted on blogs like this by defense hacks……
…..BS so blatant in fact, culminating in a judge’s order for defense to turn over proof, by Feb. 1st to back up their in court claims…and of course defense never did…
Agreed RS. It is only a “claim” by the defense that the body was put there after. They did not produce any evidence to that fact. However, even if that was the case. That still would not clear her of the murder, just points to her having help disposing of the remains.
I was gonna say something regarding Ina’s, but what would be the point. TODAY I ignore. Today I resist. But who knows what tomorrow will bring….
If the prosecution had so little evidence then this would not drag on so long, contrary to bassakwards logic of it dragging along should somehow indicate there is little evidence…
LindaNewYork said, on June 3, 2010 at 8:06 am
It’s the 12 step program, one day at a time! lol
Ina said, on June 3, 2010 at 6:13 am“We believe our laws to be humane.” Well they are not. UN say (s) that the dp should be gone. And you are wrong. This blog is about Casey Anthony and the law in this case. This also is a defense lawyers’s blog. He has this blog to explain about the law in this case. So far there has not been any convincing evidence that Casey did it. She has not been convicrted for murder and from the circumstancial evidence that we readers, bloggers, know of, she can’t possibly be convicted and killed by the State.
No she has not been convicted of murder, yet. Yes, what we have seen is circumstantial, so far (key words). Yes, she CAN be convicted and YES she can killed, by the people who voted for the death penalty. As for the UN – they do not make the laws of the US. US history lesson for you -There is no single set of laws for the entire United States. Each geopolitical subdivision has the ability to add laws to the collective body, and those laws affect only that smaller division. There are Federal laws that are created by the US Legislature that cover the entire US. State laws are made by the State legislature, county or borough laws are passed by their policy making group, and even individual cities have city ordinances or laws that are created by the city council or similar body.
Ina said, on June 3, 2010 at 6:35 am
The body was put at the spot after she was locked up in jail. So there must have been some one else also? If the prosecution had solid evidence, the case wouldn’t have to drag on for years.
Where is the proof the body was placed after she was locked up? Where is the evidence that states that? As far as the case dragging, that was the Defense’s decision. They waived the right for a speedy trial.
Ina said, on June 3, 2010 at 6:39 am
Beast you are in Canada. They don’t want us foreigners here!
I don’t believe anyone ever said that no foreigners allowed. What was said is, these are our laws, deal with it.
It is still all about justice for a 2+ year old being duct taped, wrapped in pooh blanket, stuffed in a laundry bag and stuffed again in a garbage bag and thrown in a swampy area. And all evidence currently presented points to her mother. Her and only her. We are all still waiting for the Defense to provide evidence that says otherwise.
Beast, all good points, the list is endless, the dots will be connected, & with the exceptions in the Sunshine Law, there will be much more that we will see during trial. Meanwhile, the STATE continues to investigate adding to their case.
RS, you are exactly correct too with your comments. imo, the circumstantial case the State will put on imo, will be easy for the jury to follow. For someone else to have murdered Caylee, they would have had to: have KC’s car, Caylee, murder her, dump her remains, & return KC’s car to her, jmo. KC was last seen with Caylee & the only one who had the car.
LNY: LOL! Today I ignore also!
I guess one man’s rhetoric is another’s evidence.
I find that people who have an anti death penalty agenda firmly believe that they are being humane, kind and watchful of the rights of another human being. What they choose to close their eyes to is the fact, that another human being lost their liife due to the inhumane actions of the very people they are so desperate to give comfort , and aid to.
People like Ina will only harp on continuously about the DP being inhumane. They NEVER walk to to end of the street, look around the corner and see what brought the individual they are concerned about to the place they are in. The victim is a non issue to them, they simply don’t matter.
Ina likes to say that this site is about Casey Anthony. It is about what Casey Anthony did to Caylee Anthony.
Amazed, the thing that irks me is that Ina never says, “this is about the murder of a 2 1/2 nearly 3 yr. old girl, Caylee Marie Anthony.” She was the tiniest Victim, the only Victim. KC & her family are not victims, they don’t even DEMAND JUSTICE for their murdered grand daughter. Caylee seems to have gotten lost in a lot of the arguments even with the Defense needing the aggravating circumstances spelled out for them.
What exactly is it that the Defense can’t grasp about heinous & cruel? The STATE plans to use a “visual presentation” on how the duct tape was applied to Caylee’s face, I bet the jurors faces will show them exactly what heinous & cruel is.
Art tart, how am I to know you need to be reminded all the time who got murdered? I thought we knew that by now. I honesltly don’t see why people have to say over and over how bad they feel for Caylee. Of course it is bad for Caylee. However, this blog is not for or about Caylee. This blog is about the law and Casey Anthony. See the top of the blog:
“Legal Analyst Bill Sheaffer on Casey Anthony Case”. Legal analyst: so he will give legal analyses. Casey Anthony Case: that is Casey.
@ Art tart, exactly.. I have on various times asked Ina directly about Caylee, and why she never seems to think of her. Never an answer. It’s all about her cause.
Obviously we all know that FIRST Casey gets her right to a fair trial, and believe me with or without the publicity, she will get a fair trial. She has already been treated for the past almost two years, like the princess she thinks she is. I am neither pro or against the death penalty, I think every case should be based on it’s own merit. I believe Casey’s crime does qualify her for the DP, but I would be equally happy to see her languish for the rest of her naturl life in a cell. For her that would be far worse.
Be damned if I will EVER stop saying how awful I feel for Caylee, nor understanding the thousands of others who feel the same way.
Your snark and true nature are really showing with that, Ina; heartless and callous. That goes beyond having an agenda. You are lacking in empathy of any sort. I occasionally find you mildly amusing, but that statement goes beyond the pale.
Perma Ignore engaged.
This blog might be about Casey Anthony and her trial, but guess what? CASEY KILLED CAYLEE, so it IS about Caylee too.
Empathy means here: the wish to kill. Ignore the UN, ignore the world, and have a nice day watching a person being killed. That is empathy and having a heart. If it wasn’t so sick, it would be funny.
Generally speaking, the death penalty is ALLL about the victim.
The guilt/innocence phase…no so much. But the sentencing phase usually highlights the victim’s life and the circumstances of their death.
I have no problem with people who are anti-DP, it’s the kind of issue that people tend to come down on one side or the other.
What I have a problem with is the constant talk of whether the Dp is Constitutional..
It IS Constitutional, the issue has come before the U.S. Supreme Court on more than one occasion and has been upheld, Florida voters have spoken and the DP stands.
It’s like beating a dead horse, it is what it is.
Well poor horse. Legally killed but dead anyway
The UN is not going to tell any country what laws they can or cannot have or how to administer them. This is about the death of a small child by her mother. And if 12 jurors convict and sentence her to death or LWOP, then I most certainly will have a nice day. My empathy is with Caylee Marie Anthony, the victim.
Ina, this blog is about the JUSTICE the public demands for Caylee. I don’t NEED to be reminded, I know exactly WHO GOT MURDERED! You seem to need to be reminded as you whine incessantly about KC Anthony. I would love to wrap 3 pieces of duct tape over KC’s face & bind her hands with the 4th piece, I would love to see her eyes dart back & fourth as she gasp for air, I would constantly say, “KC, how do you think Caylee was feeling?” “How scared do you think Caylee was?”
It seems if everyone just stopped trying to explain anything to you, things would flow more smoothly as you don’t seem to get it & it is a HUGE WASTE of everyone’s time. jmo. Reading the same arguments everyday with people offering you “concrete explanations” & you still want to argue. Just exhausting.
I suggest you find help to overcome your sadistic aggression, arttart. You might be dangerous.
That horse waan’t legally killed, he was ridden into the ground.
Rode hard & put away wet. Poor horsie.
Odd, ‘rode hard & put away wet’ reminds me of someone else.
LOL Ina, I am only suggesting that KC receive the same treatment she performed on her innocent child. Can’t you empathize with Caylee? Never mind, you are concerned with KC. You are suggesting I have “sadistic aggression?” LOL! Are you NUTS? WHY is it that you think it is sadistic for KC to receive the same treatment as she performed on Caylee? DON’T answer that! I’m done.
No Ina, I’m not dangerous, perhaps you might listen to Jeffery Ashton’s argument about Caylee’s last moments. I will, in the future, skip over your comments as they are a HUGE WASTE to discuss anything with you.
Rarely are murders caught on videotape…so not possible to watch one..unless you are victim family or perp family other than media observers not allowed to record or broadcast
here in this country executions are not televised..
Those of other nations need to read up on our laws before opening their mouths or banging on a key board…
If it weren’t so sick the attention paid to, and coddling of, criminals it would be funny…
Ina,I suggest you just find help.
RS said, on June 3, 2010 at 10:59 am
If it weren’t so sick the attention paid to, and coddling of, criminals it would be funny…
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I have to admit I do often find it funny. It is like a really, really bad SNL skit.
Nothing about Caylee’s murder is funny in any manner, but watching the syncophants defend Casey is at times greatly amusing. You have to wonder what they’re really like in person, ya know?
jmo, it seems Caylee’s case has received so much attention, sadly, we the public are screaming for JUSTICE for her as her own family WILL NOT demand Justice. As Shirley Pleasa said of KC, “KC hated CA more than she loved Caylee.”
The Anthony Family & their self absorbed agendas & entitlement attitudes are going to be in for a BIG surprise once this case is over. Of course no matter what the Verdict, KC will appeal as is her right. BUT! The surprise for the Anthony’s will be that most people “don’t care” what happens to them or KC. There will be NO MORE criminal defense attorney’s wanting to represent KC, she will be assigned a public defender. If you notice in some of the trials, such as Phil Spector’s, he had a grandiose Defense Team the first time, but the second time he was tried with no BIG Defense Team, he was convicted as he should have been in the 1st trial. Thank God, he has gone away & we don’t have to listen to him, his wife, or his defense team any more.
My prediction will be that once this case is over, KC will move into the ranks of other mother’s & father’s that murdered their children: Scott Peterson, Darlie Routier, Andrea Yates, Susan Smith, Diane Downs, the list is endless of scumbag parent’s that robbed their children of life. I am looking forward for the Verdict in this case, JUSTICE can’t come soon enough, jmo.
ThoughtElf, reading you comment, about often finding the case funny reminded me of Dominic Dunne. He & Ann Rule are absolutely my favorites telling their stories from the perspective of the Victim or Victim’s Family.
D Dunne was doing the Menendez Story & he said, “The Mendendez Brothers have a defense fund in which you can contribute to, only in America can you MURDER your parent’s & call yourself an orphan.” I have to admit, it did make me laugh because it was true.
I guess I have found humor in GA going on Fox w/Holly Bristow reading his letter, “Life under a microscope.” GA & CA have interjected themselves into this case from the first day,selling memories & living off Caylee’s murder, hearing GA whining in a letter made me laugh.” Can’t wait for them to GO AWAY! jmo.
Now Art – there you go being dangerous again..
She will appeal any conviction. IMO, the Judges, so far, have bent over backwards to prevent any appeal regarding her trial. I agree, her current defense team will abandon her as soon as the trial is over.
Unfortunately, appeal is automatic in FL capital cases, but we can be grateful that both the Judges have been cognizant not to offer up any additional appeals issues.
I happen to enjoy that dangerous, living on the edge style of Art’s. I’m askeered of her.
LOL@ThoughtElf…yep she has one of those new fangled sharp edged keyboards and is not afraid to use it!
FYI: Joran Van Der Sloot was apprehended in Chile today.
En garde! Draw your rapiers!
Totally OT, but Joran was caught in Chile and will be returned to Peru.
Bet they will love that pretty boy in a Peru prison.
Morgan, you know I like to live on the Edge, the sharper, the better! LOL! I can’t help that it enrages me when KC sympathizers never consider what Caylee endured, just a baby. I could care less what happens to KC, it was ALL OF HER OWN MAKING!
ThoughtElf, yep, the ANT’s & KC will be dropped faster than KC can scream,” BUT I AM A VICTIM TOO,” remember when she said this in the Jail Video. KC, like all the other losers that are convicted of murder ALWAYS find some public defender willing to defend them BUT in most cases, they don’t get another trial or appeal UNLESS it is the DP. In Scott Peterson’s case, his parent’s sold everything they have, all their retirement, refinanced their home, etc., because they thought Hot Dog Geragos would be able to get Scott off. NOW there is a website ASKING for donations for a DEFENSE FUND because they are now broke! WHY do some people, like KC & S Peterson’s family think the Defense Team is greater than the evidence? FACTS don’t lie!
Mixologist, that’s great news, I have been working outside & was wondering about that SCUMBAG! I hope they BREAK HIM & Beth finally gets some answers about Natalie also. Tagapino (sp? has already hit the media defending him!)
Joe Tacopina was on GMA this morning, basically saying the same stuff he is saying now.
As for Joran, I bet he is crapping a brick right about now. I hope they keep him safe and sound until he gets thrown in a Peruvian prison. Those bad boys there can take care of him from that point on.
I hope Beth Holloway is doing a Happy Happy Joy Joy dance, bless her heart. My deepest condolences to the Flores family.
Art-I too like the edge, but then again, it’s only 3 inches off the ground
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OT – on a sad note: Rue McClanahan died.
Morgan, LOL!
imo, the parent’s of Joran are another set of parent’s like the Anthony’s that were willing to lie or mislead investigators instead of trying to help in the murder of both Natalee & Caylee. Both sets of parent’s have enabled their adult children their entire lives, never making them take any responsibilt for their behaviors. CA continued to pay her parent;s back for KC stealing, DUH~!!~ IF KC had a job, she should have paid her back, better yet, she should have been arrested. Joran is another scumbag tht hid behind his father, too bad both weren’t stopped before 2 people lost their lives.
Thank GOD Amy H. took KC to task! Convicted felon X’s 6 & that is the very least of it!
All, jmo.
Hmm..whether you agree with Ina or not, it shouldn’t give you a right to attack her as a person. Example: Are you NUTS?
Quote: “The irony is rich” LOL
Yes jbmission & IGNORANCE IS BLISS!” I don’t intend to get into ANY CONVERSATION with you or INA, I told you I have read all about you on other blogs & I know who clearly who is NUTS!
What happened to Julie Kirkpatrick’s murder conviction? She too was convicted of stabbing to death her 10yo son Joel Kirkpatrick and her case was overturned after she spent numerous years in prison. She was innocent. Her son died at the hands of a serial killerr.
As for Andrea Yates, she’finally was found to be insane and is now where she belongs, in a mental facility.
Darlene Routier? Barbara Davis, author of Precious Angels now is one of Darlie’s biggest supporters. Barbara Davis did not see the pictures of Darlie’s injuries until after she wrote her book. She was horrified. Darle was arrested because of silly string. When my daughter lost her first child. The pictures she took @ the gravesite was not that of a normal person, but who was I to judge a mother who lost her child. jmo
My point is: ??
Being objective was the way I was raised. Fact is, over 246 convictions have been overturned thanks to dNA science.
Yes, Art NUT is NUTS,
I know who you are too..LOL
jbmission, the facts in the Darlie Routier case are that she is sitting on death row where she belongs & has been for over 10 years, the boys were murdered in 1996. Darlie was charged with the murders, not because of “silly string,” but because of the evidence. Authorities said the her wounds were self inflicted & the wounds around her neck were very shallow. There was NO FOREIGN DNA in the house, it is almost impossible NOT to leave DNA if there was someone else in the house, there was a partial print that was not identified but LE think it could have possibly been that of one of the children. jb, its certainly okay to think she is innocent if you want to but the evidence does not support it. IF the evidence showed SOMEONE else murdered her children, Darlie would not be sitting on Death Row.
I am objective, & IF ANY CREDITABLE evidence ever comes forth that she didn’t kill her boys, it would be considered by everyone, but, the fact is, there is none. An opinion is not a fact, the facts of the case are why she is sitting on death row.
I saw a 20/20 today on Mother’s that kill their children & she was on there.
While Darlie acted strangely at the cemetery with the silly string, that had absolutely NOTHING to do with the evidence.
Art tart, LOL
I’ve got better things to do. You add nothing of value to any discussions. All you do is state your opinion and have no respect for anyone else’s.
Have a nice day.
Peace Out!
JB
Sorry, I know. I’m Off Topic. Just saying Hi! Hi art tart! How are you? Myself? I’m waaaay behind in the case details. Hello JB! I’m just back from a little holiday in the big city (Toronto) ~ inspiring culture, saw some art, wonderful food etc. (Good Lord! I sound like a “Welcome To Our City” transit card) SNORT!!! But, seriously . . . about once a day I would spend some time imagining BOMBSHELL Anthony news, and then, further time spent contemplating my decision to not bring any technology with me on my mini-break. It seemed like a good idea at the time. So, while there, all I had were the screaming headlines from various checkout counters ~ and none that I could see were at all Anthony-related. I’m going to start with that, and just jump in and see what I’ve missed in the passed week. BBIAB!
Hey Bees Knees, I’ve been missing you! It is always great to get away but I don’t think I could have left the electronics! GUILTY! I’m addicted. You have come back at a good time as you can catch the last Court Hearing which was interesting. Gotta love Judge P, “get it done.”
Diane Downs
Susan Smith
Darlie Routier
China Arnold
Michelle Kehoe
Janelle Jeter
The above have ALL killed their children. All are in prison sentenced to LWOP or Death based on evidence, whether circumstantial or not. Soon Casey Anthony will be added to the list. Until the defense pulls the ‘AHHHH Now I understand” card, it is what it is.
Art – stay dangerous baby!
Morgan, thanks! You are correct, KC will be added to the list soon. Did you see where Huckabee took LWOP instead of a trial & possible Death Sentence in the murder of Sandra Cantu? That murder was especially sad in that you could see little S Cantu skipping across the street on surveillance & then she is found murdered & stuffed in a piece of luggage.
I was reading a friend’s BLOG & she stated that she thought the Defense was looking “defeated.” What are your thoughts? I have noticed that the enthusiasm & big grin that Baez always wore is no longer there. I can’t tell about Lyon’s as she always looks like she is in pain to me, & C Mason has lost his swagger. jmo. Maybe they are just tired & they have an uphill battle with a TON of work that they will not be paid for.
Art – IMO the defense is looking strained. They all lost their swagger, Baez looks constipated all the time, Mason is not as cocky as he was, Baden is no where to be found and Lyon is desperately trying not to lose a death penalty case. I don’t think they have read all the evidence that has come out. When they do argue in court, IMO, they seem not to know the case law to refute the evidence, they seem to be grasping for straws and using the spaghetti defense.
Personally I think she will be convicted with LWOP, I think her age will be an asset. I am ok with that.
And If I was CA – I would be wondering WFT did they do with 200k? No depos, no testing, etc. Even though she told Judge Stickland, she was aware and ok with her counsel, I would be screaming about now.
I am utterly amazed at the number of people who will whine, whimper, lie, act like a total idiot, appear to be ignorant and unteachable, and be just generally annoying simply to get attention! The focus of this nightmare is not casey, nor the aforementioned dumbarses, the anthonys or the dummies defending them. It IS about justice for a murdered not quite 3 year old little girl. A defenseless tiny little thing murdered by a brute who gave her life and a family that lacked the common decency and integrity to stand up and demand justice. Others can tilt at windmills as they wish, IMO, it is quite simply NUNYA….as in none of your business. If you don’t agree with the DP….STAY OUT of this country! It is absolutely constitutional. If casey wanted to kill Caylee and not be punished, maybe she should have moved to the Netherlands and offed her there. As for the UN, really? We are going to listen to that bunch of idiots. When they get a handle on all those oil rich middle east countries that openly abuse women, I might have some respect for them…until then NOT
JB: You are right…it is wrong to attack someone personally for their beliefs. That is, if they are stating their beliefs. But when one has been caught red handed laughing about disrupting this blog by intentionally pretending to not understand…that flies in the face of it being her belief. Yes I did go to her blog and caught her and tinker bell doing that months ago.
As to the “cruelty” of the death penalty. Personally, if I were given a choice of lethal injection or LWOP……I think I would elect to go to sleep. I personally think life in prison IS a death penalty. Wait for it…………………………………………………………….
“Give me liberty or give me death”
Even if she doesn’t get the death penalty, and gets LWOP instead, nature just might take its course there in the gen. pop.
Frankie, you are my hero!
OK – EVERYONE IN FULL VOICE:
My country,’ tis of thee,
sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing;
land where my fathers died,
land of the pilgrims’ pride,
from every mountainside let freedom ring!
frankie, that’s a great comment!
I’m half-way through listening to the hearings and half way through the above comments, I’m mixin’ it up. May I just make one superficial comment now, though? C. Mason is on my very last nerve already with his very tired and very played “asking the Judge, to “indulge an old man for a minute!!!” How many times has he made reference to his age? And his good-ole’-boy routine? Played, played . . .
NOT TO MENTION every time he asks for special consideration because of his “golden years” I immediately think Caylee ~ baby years. How many years did that baby have there, Chaney? Did your client, you know, the one you will escort down the courthouse steps with rainbows and four-leaf clovers fluttering out of your arses? How much consideration did she give to Caylee’s years?
Thanks for your numbers, Morgan. We needed that.
Morgan, I meant the number of women that have killed their children and been convicted and sentenced with the DP or LWOP whether the evidence was circumstantial or not.
Bees – yep I knew what you meant – I speak blogonese. Have a good night all. In the words of the most famous Southern Belle – Tomorrow is another day.
Singing with Morgan!! LOL
Bees: Wait till you get to the part where Judge Perry renders chaney morgan speechless! I spewed my coffee when I heard that one!
I don’t think the good Judge is impressed with the “good old boy club”! And I don’t think stupid questions like “you trust me don’t ya?” will get him flustered either. Aggravated with the assumed chuminess, maybe, but not flustered. I think he would have explained in no uncertain terms what the LAW is and that it has nothing to do with “trusting” an attorney. JMO
frankie, great comment, I could tell it was from the heart. It seems if everyone would just “ignore the problem” it would be less frustrating & she could argue with herself. I had no idea about her blog, though I am not surprised.
Mixologist, I could live with “LWOP” for KC. I can see it now, KC calling GA/CA everyday, yelling & cussing at them, blaming them for Caylee’s death, blaming them for being miserable parent’s, demanding money be put into her account so she can buy cheetos & onion dip. GA/CA, imo, will be serving KC’s time with her as she will never give them a moments peace.
Morgan, you make a good point about CA yelling about the $200.00. KC certainly didn’t get much for her money but, LOL, Baez is going to work SO HARD for No Money! LOL! He should have had 1/2 of his depositions done but then, he would have had to pay for them out of the 200,000.00 & he wasn’t going to do that.
I doubt if mommy and daddy will be sending her money for commissary. She’ll sell herself to the highest bidder for beef sticks.
If casey sues the county for her slip and fall, will she still be indigent? Or will she have to then pay for her own defense? LOL Talk about your Catch 22!!
Art: It was, I was venting. I am easily irritated today, especially by the deceivers that abound. I get particularly aggravated when I see decent people being ridiculed by someone so unscrupulous. However, you are correct
Joran Van Der Sloot arrested in Chile. In the custody of Interpol.
Mix!!! Ha ha ha ha! “She’ll sell herself to the highest bidder for beef sticks.”
Frankie, I think I know the part of the hearing you’re talking about. I was distracted from it for a few minutes but I’m going to go back and have another listen. Heh heh heh . . . .
Journalist, that’s quite the case, no? Maniac.
Sorry, I was a little late hearing the news of Joran VDS. Thought it was breaking on Greta. Should have known better. She is never on top of Breaking News.
I agree with others, the defense look totally flat. Llike Casey they fell flat on thier face the other day. Im still waiting to be impressed by Cheney Mason. It would seem his reputation exceeds his actual talent.
Maybe if he was ten years younger and had been there from the start? In the early days, Casey had a very wet behind the ears and extremely ambitious Jose Baez who didnt seem to be able to or want to shut Cindy Anthony’s mouth. Lennamin was sought out then his counsel quickly rejected. Lots of media blitzing and team building but crucially NO WORK was getting done.
Judge Perry recognized their sloth and extravagance straight off. 275K and sod all to show for it. Now there are strict deadlines to meet, dozens of witnesses still to be deposed and expert testimony to be got and reviewed, the clock is ticking and everyone’s working pro-bono. lol Yeh, real pressure “hey,we might actually have to go to trial”
Nope, Mason re-arguing the same tired motions and doing it very badly, fumbling for documents and even getting his civil and criminal cases mixed up.
Still no “ah now I understand” moment, no trace of the phantom nanny or co-conspirators, no pizza de human decomposition and thus far,absolutely NO version of the facts that could ever jive with the evidence. Just the same tired vendetta against Tim Miller who Im sure they will attempt to protray at trial as LE’s puppet.
The bus is coming George and Cindy, betcha those experts they are so desperate to keep secret are shrinks. For bargain JAC rates, she might get a bonified mental illness to explain away that ugly coping. aka behaviour of a cold calculating self absorbed sociopath who after killing her own child, left “the pieces on the floor and moved the f*ck on”.
Ahh…hindsight is 20/20. Had they only listened to T. Leneman. He intimated there was a mental illness plea possible, but the fame and fortune/bright lights, big city glitz had firm hold of them all. They couldn’t see past those darn camera spots! They were bedazzled with the thought of getting the most hated felon in the world released for her movie premier. I think we are seeing bozo and the scheme team realize that reality bites! Now it is on them. They played…now they will pay. Time to get to work and the $$$ is gone!
Beast & all other Canadians, HELLO Neighbors, you know we luv ya.
And perhaps it would help someone to understand he harbor no ill will to someone from another country, correct me if I am wrong but Canada has long been a country with no DP, and yet, I have not seen one of our Canadian neighbors come here and tell us Floridian’s our laws are wrong, or tell us how we are not as enlightened as the rest of the world, not once have I seen them tell us we are ignorant, uncivilized nor have I seen them ridicule our justice system.
This is the U.S.A. we are rather famous for our acceptance of others, you know that whole “ Bring us your tired, your huddled masses.” just a little thing our country was based on.
Yes, we tend to get a wee bit testy when someone dares to tread on us, yes we tend to take a stand for our laws, our freedoms, our country.
Yes, we get a bit ornery when we feel someone has besmirched us.
Funny thing is you let someone attack the Netherlands’ or let some catastrophe hit, and I wonder where would they run to for help?
I bet it would not be to the UN, I bet it would be where all the ignorant, uncivilized heathens live.
Point is, for someone that does not even have a horse in our race dead or otherwise, to dare feel they are obliged to force their views on us is more than a bit irksome.
What Ina fails to admit, if she tried to make those same commits in some country’s they would hang her arse for no more than her words.
So as heathens go, there are places she could take her fight to with a bit more uncivilized citizenship, that I am sure would welcome her input, may I suggest North Korea, or Iran perhaps.
I just want to say that Ina is very successful at what she does. Think about it. She does go back to her blog and snicker with TB about making people mad. It’s sick. IMO
I’m lovin the new statement written in KC’s own handwriting explaining how she went face first (lol) into the elevator. I’m wondering if they can use it to compare with the jail house letters and the diary.
jillcomelately~I love how you used the “move the f*ck on” quote she used, posted AFTER Caylee went missing (was murdered). I hope the prosecution uses it. It really brings home her feelings about the matter of her daughter being gone. Who would even think of something like that when their precious daughter is missing?
There might be some disagreements on some of the evidence because KC is a fat liar, but everyone knows, including Ina, that she killed that baby and moved the f*ck on.
I think they should make her use the stairs from now on.
Interesting how riled some get at other peoples opinions. What does this mean?
The United States of America is a Country, inhabited by many who come here from other
countries. You or I do not OWN this country, we are priviledged to have been born here
or have come later. Nevertheless our right to express and the right for others to express
if a part of our civilization, and I like to consider the fact that ORIGiNALLY our ancestors
arrived from somewhere, perhaps some even from the Netherlands. No one is changing ‘our laws simply in discussion. They would have to be able to vote. There is no growth
if we all just mellow out and accept. Sometimes hearing another side is progress. If one
enjoys reading yours others can enjoy reading those objected to.
Sunny
I think Casey Anthony brings out the worst in people,well she does me. Ofcourse due to press interest and those sunshine laws we do get to hear about everything.
The jury wont have and they will have to absorb an awful lot of shocking facts about Casey Anthony in a relatively short time. Her defense team can call it “ugly coping” but imo no jury would buy into that crap for a second, certainly not after they hear about the fantasy reality this girl lived for nigh on three years.
The State seem to be sticking with George’s claims he last saw his grandchild the afternoon of June 16th and there on film, probably just a few hours after Caylee died, mommy has her arms around the b/f, picking out videos. Her written statement had her “pacing frantically at one of the few places she called home”
Then that weird diary of days doc created July 2nd and posted to myspace July 7th,probably as a response to Cindy’s “My Caylee is missing” and we who follow the case know that’s not the half of it. Clubs, tatoos
whilst keeping up elaborate tales of Caylee being at bush gardens, the beach or Disney. The story was different depending on who asked.
How the feck do you function after your child is supposedly kidnapped? And how do
you live with yourself after mudering and disposing of your daughter like garbage.
When I see her almost flouncing into Target and buying all that crap, I want to punch her head in. We are getting to see one of Society’s monsters up close.
I do think that casey has some serious psychological issues. I assumed a good attorney would have, ASAP, had her examined by a doctor in an attempt at an insanity plea. I believe that is what Lenaman was hinting at before he left the scheme team. It is questionable that she has a viable defense with an insanity plea, however, it is obvious that she is waaaaaaaaaaaaay left of normal, or even human. casey is evil incarnate and she should be chained, shackled, and locked away or eliminated forever. She is a danger to everyone. Given that she can behave the way she did after she murdered her daughter, she could calmly be a paid assassin…oh wait, they are supposed to be smart, aren’t they. Hmmm….well that leaves casey out, IMO.
Judy…well said. Lets not forget that it was a Canadian Prime Minister who spoke to the willingness of the American people to help others, but no one lifted one finger, ever to help us in any crisis. (That speech was prior to 9-11).
OTT: It is not the opinion or nationality that is objectionable. It is the nastiness of that particular individual and the fact that she/he/it then goes somewhere else and laughs at the genuine feelings of the commentors on this site. It is the air of supposed superiority and the bashing of this country and our beliefs. For Heavens sake, if one thinks we are so terrible, perhaps he/she/it shouldn’t be wasting time here since it cannot affect our laws and obviously has no clue how to influence our citizenry!
If you don’t agree with the DP….STAY OUT of this country!
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Oh really?
Love it or Leave it?
Guess what? I’m anti DP and a Plymouth Rock American!
How insulting and inaccurate a portrayal of what our country truly exhibits…tolerance and a non vigilante justice system we can be extremely proud of.
Thanks for booting me out of my own homeland.
The DP is being outlawed around the world, it is my opinion it will soon see the way of the dinosaur as we enter more ‘enlightened’ times.
Who died and made you king?
While I think that KC is narcissistic as she fits the criteria, probably a sociopath, & possibly bi-polar, she doesn’t fit the criteria for an “insanity defense.” There have been many good articles written about KC’s personality disorders by psychologist & psychiatrist imo, that is good news! It does explain a lot of her behavior, but, imo, the biggest screw up yet is when Baez & T Lenamon had a disagreement & T Lenamon left the case.
I agree with everyone, T Lenamon was probably going to “explore possibilities of how to defend KC” including what personality disorders she has, how they might have explained her behavior. T Lenamon, imo, would have probably reached a “plea deal” in KC’s case as he is seasoned criminal defense attorney & death penalty qualified,” he would have acted in KC’s best interest. imo, TL would have known once Caylee’s remains were found, the DP would have been put back on the table but Baez was willing to roll the dice & hope her remains were never be found. The Anthony’s were working full time on their Media Blitz with Caylee sightings trying to “create reasonable doubt,” imo, Baez thought he would get KC off. The “inexperienced, inept, know it all, wannabe lead attorney couldn’t see past himself & pursue the best interest for his client, now will probably have his client sentenced to the DP or LWOP. jmo,
imo, TL would have worked out a plea agreement that would have been less than LWOP, Seems the Anthony’s & KC still don’t get it but they will.
The POINT IS: KC murdered Caylee in a State that has the DEATH PENALTY! PERIOD! It doesn’t matter what anyone thinks of the Death Penalty, she could WELL receive the Death Penalty from an “enlightened jury.” This is NOT a forum on the DEATH PENALTY! Because someone BELIEVES in the Death Penalty doesn’t make them unenlightened.
IF KC didn’t want to face the DEATH PENALTY, she should have taken Caylee to another STATE to murder her. I live in a STATE that has the DP & that’s what the ENLIGHTENED people of my STATE want as well as many other states.
We live in “enlightened times,” the DP is here to stay.
As far as INA making fun of the peeps, TAKING IT BACK TO HER BLOG & laughing about it, WHY doesn’t everyone JUST IGNORE HER POST, don’t respond to her & then the joke will be on her.
Along for the Ride: Actually you have a point. I stated my position poorly. In my defense, it was not directed at Americans, who do have the power to affect laws and their beliefs are relevant. What I should have said, was don’t commit murder in a country that has the DP. That being said, I am a “Proud” American. I do believe in the ideals expressed in our Constitution. I agree that we have made horrible errors. I also think our leaders have, at times, crossed boundaries. However, I also would not want to live anywhere else. I do not travel, for instance, to the mid east because I do not like their politics and would not want to be subject to their laws. It is my belief that there are atrocities committed against women in certain countries, therefore, I don’t go there. However, I also do not visit their social commentary sites and criticize their citizens beliefs.
You are correct ArtTart. I will now be back on the high road!
Frankie, I knew what you meant, I don’t have a chip on my shoulder & did not find your comment offensive. I have read the posts for weeks on the subject, to discuss the topic everyday seems to be a HUGE WASTE of everyone’s time. To be laughed at on another blog is a slap in the face. Hopefully, it will stop.
Discussing the DP is like discussing abortion. Rarely does anyone ever change their mind because most people are firmly set in their beliefs. Both sides are enlightened, they just view the subject differently & consider their own value system.
art tart said, on June 4, 2010 at 9:37 am
The POINT IS: KC murdered Caylee in a State that has the DEATH PENALTY! PERIOD! It doesn’t matter what anyone thinks of the Death Penalty, she could WELL receive the Death Penalty from an “enlightened jury.” This is NOT a forum on the DEATH PENALTY! Because someone BELIEVES in the Death Penalty doesn’t make them unenlightened.
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This is an excellent point! Personally, I don’t have an opinion about DP – I refuse to think about it. Whatever I think doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things.
hatcat7, I agree with you too, it doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things what we think of the DP. I have decided I will be pleased with whatever verdict the jurors decide on, for all the worry we have all done for Caylee to have Justice, it will come down to 12 jurors, people like you and me that will weigh all the evidence & make their decision accordingly. This case has been gut wrenching for everyone, I can’t believe it is still 11 months away.
Frankie:
When the Euro trash starts touting how perfect they are and how the dirty Americans are the root of all evil, I like to remind them who is always the leader when others need help.
How many from the Netherlands went when Haiti was hit by the earthquake, or any other catastrophic event I would be willing to bet not a narrow assed one?
The USA has always extended our hand across all shores, we have always been the first in line to help, and seems we are the first ones called for money or protection.
I am damn proud of this country, as I am damn proud of my state, Florida does not have to hang her head in shame because some Euro trash thinks she is oh so holy, it is easy to set and bitch but putting feet to the street and effecting change by actually putting your hands on a problem and fixing it is two very different things, bet she has never done more than snark on a key board, people right down the street from her are prob hungry and she turns her back on them, sticks her nose in the air and feels oh so proud.
@frankie, I am also proud to be a citizen of this country. We are not perfect, but we are about as close as you can come and still be human. There is a reason that much of the world wants to live here and be part of what this nation stands for. I too would like to see what aid has been rendered to needy people around the world by Ina’s country. Not much I would wager.
applause applause, JudyPC
Well stated
Kim said, on June 4, 2010 at 3:21 pm applause applause, JudyPC
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Oh really ——————— well ——- I as a born and bred American ….is ASHAMED of those commnets……………………
Yo Hola…the only thing you do is come here to stir trouble with commenters. Whoever it was that said nothing you post is of substance is right. Go find a new place to stir it up. We aren’t biting.
Oh, and another thing…if you’re unhappy with the death penalty, I suggest you write your governor and your congressman.
Yo hola
You shame is not mine. I am also born and bred American – Texan as a matter of fact. If the animal is rabid you put it down. If an animal kills its young you also put it down. Time for pussy footing around is done.
Oh a happier note, and off topic I might add, my baby just rolled over for the first time!
yay!!!! go baby girl!!!!
Soon Mommy will be chasing her!!
Hey mixologist, well said. Did you see where Baez was doing 3 depositions today? One was of a dog handler, a LE employee, & Rick Morales. I would have loved to have read RM’s depo. I wonder if Baez ask him how much money he got from the National Enquirer for Caylee in the pink t shirt & the chloroform picture.
No, art tart, I haven’t seen that. I’m anxious to read them all when released though.
Mix, conrgrats on the rolling baby!! LOL! I just got done babysitting my 1 1/2 and 5 year old nieces today (AKA Laverne and Shirley-they are sooo funny) and I am pooped! Slave labor!! LOL!
I am anxious also to read the depo’s and see what kind of “spin” the defense puts on questions. (If I were any of these x-friends of KC’s I’d want to bring a lawyer. They are not above throwing ANYone under the bus for Caylee’s murder. You know, Cindy thinks her “new” friends led her astray and they all raised “red flags” in Cindy’s little brain.
So, any “discovery” the defense has is released via the sunshine law as well?
LNY, it is my understanding that the only way the depositions get released is IF the STATE or the Defense request a copy. I am EXCITED that Baez has requested 8 copies of depositions that the STATE has done so they should be released to us. The copies of the depos are supposed to be pretty expensive.
I don’t remember which side requested a copy of GA & CA’s depositions the State did but that is how we got to read their depositions. Baez has sat through most of these depositions that the STATE did if not all, but I was interested in reading Mallory’s. She probably have little of substance to add & so no one needed a copy. Also, we still don’t know about the “investigative deposition that D Casey was to do on 12/16/09 that was abruptly canceled by the STATE.” That is a depo that Baez couldn’t attend, so we don’t know what’s up with that.
Hang in here Bill Sheaffer and Craig, this just might end up being the best blog around!
There is some intelligent discussion on the topic of Anthony case and everyone is fairly
polite with each other even though we state our piece. At least it is not lost in “shuffling” pretenses from one blog site to another. Same people good here, hateful there, good on another, hateful on another. what a merry-go-round. Each trying to outwit the other with being as stinking as they can. In the two years of life Caylee Marie Anthony, undoubtedly was more adult than many of us who claim adult in behavior.
MY INTENT HERE IN THIS COMMENT, IS TO GIVE YOU A THUMBS UP! AFTER ALL THE
TRIAL AND ERROR YOU FIRST FACED YOU HAVE COME OUT ON TOP IN RESPECT!
So, unless the State requests copies of the depo’s Baez is conducting, we won’t see them? I am sure the SAO will want them. Let’s hope so. Would love to see the defense’s angle.
Yeah I’ve wondered why the defense hasn’t asked to see Mallory’s depo…Maybe ran out of money?
Also, almost 2 YEARS and they have not even spoken to ANY of these people that they have on their depo list? I mean really, WHAT have they been doing? WHERE and on WHAT did all that money go to?
I still find it incredulous that this has not gone to trial and over with already. I’ve said this before: OJ killed his wife and her friend, went on a slow moving Broncho chase, went to trial, he was aquitted (don;t EVEN get me started on that-LOL) all in span of what, 14 months??? (Murdered in June 2004-Aquitted October 2005). I just don’t get it. Casey sholud’ve be on death row or starting to languish in jail by now.
amazed said, on June 4, 2010 at 2:51 pm @frankie, I am also proud to be a citizen of this country. We are not perfect, but we are about as close as you can come and still be human. There is a reason that much of the world wants to live here and be part of what this nation stands for. I too would like to see what aid has been rendered to needy people around the world by Ina’s country. Not much I would wage—
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I don’t post here very often, but I do read.
I take offense at you and frankie.
All you had to do is a google search what the Dutch people have done to help the people in Haiti.
Just because you don’t like what one poster post, is not reason to bring the whole country down.
What does this have to do with the Casey Anthony case anyway?
I did a quick google search……about 7,940.00 result came up.
Happy reading for you what the Dutch people have done for the poor people in Haiti.
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About 7,940,000 results (0.22 seconds) Search ResultsDutchNews.nl – Dutch Haiti rescue help stuck in Curacao
Jan 15, 2010 … The Dutch transport plane carrying rescue workers and dogs to help find survivors on Haiti, hit by a devastating earthquake on Tuesday, …
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/…/dutch_haiti_rescue_help_stuck.php – Cached – SimilarDutch adoption plane airlifts 106 Haitian kids – Haiti earthquake …
Jan 21, 2010 … A Dutch airlift brought 106 children from quake-ravaged Haiti to new lives … to help the victims of January’s devastating quake in Haiti. …
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/…/ns/world_news-haiti_earthquake/ – Cached – SimilarDutch donate 83 million euros for Haiti aid | Radio Netherlands …
Jan 22, 2010 … The Dutch check for Haiti aid (ANP Photo) … That would help Haiti survivors immensely, but only if it reaches them. …
http://www.rnw.nl/english/…/dutch-donate-83-million-euros-haiti-aid – Cached – SimilarHaiti – the world wants to help | Radio Netherlands Worldwide
Jan 20, 2010 … Aid for Haiti’s earthquake victims is pouring in from all over the globe, even poor nations like Rwanda and Liberia are sending cash, …
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/haiti-world-wants-help – Cached
Show more results from http://www.rnw.nlHaitian orphans rushed to new homes abroad – CNN.com
Jan 17, 2010 … U.S., Dutch officials slash red tape to expedite Haitian orphan … Watch “Haiti How You Can Help” a special two-hour edition of Larry King …
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/…/haiti…/index.html – Cached -
yawn
tulpjes2, to understand what this had to do with the KC case, you would have had to read back many comments for a couple of days. The blogger is not from the US but is antagonistic to the commenter’s on this site about the DP, which NO ONE has control over no matter what your opinion is as KC murdered Caylee in a STATE in which the STATE is seeking the Death Penalty. The blogger continually runs down the US & that we are “unenlightened people because of the DP.” While it is fine that anyone from other countries can blog on any site, their opinion of our laws are really unimportant, especially in the case of a murdered child by her mother. Who cares what someone from another country thinks of the DP? This is NOT a DEATH PENALTY FORUM!
The biggest problem of the blogger is that she comes here, is antagonistic & argues with everyone about the laws in the US & how unenlightened Americans are, then goes back to post on her BLOG about the commenter’s on this site, laughs & makes fun of the contributors.
It would have been NICE if you had contributed AS MUCH information on the KC Anthony case as you have posted above, as that is WHY MOST OF US ARE HERE is to discuss the case of a murdered child! If you had bothered to read back to catch up on the conversation, you would have understood.
The point is, NO OTHER COUNTRY does as much in disasters as the United States & while it is fine for bloggers from other countries to contribute, WE DO NOT have to put up with the bashing that we are unenlightened.
PLEASE! Would everyone get back on the topic of Caylee Marie Anthony & IGNORE the ANTAGONIST?
For all that don’t believe in the United States Of America:
O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America!
God shed His grace on thee,
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!
O beautiful for pilgrim feet
Whose stern impassion’d stress
A thoroughfare for freedom beat
Across the wilderness.
America! America!
God mend thine ev’ry flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control,
Thy liberty in law.
O beautiful for heroes prov’d
In liberating strife,
Who more than self their country loved,
And mercy more than life.
America! America!
May God thy gold refine
Till all success be nobleness,
And ev’ry gain divine.
O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam
Undimmed by human tears.
America! America!
God shed His grace on thee,
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea.
Morgan: You have such a beautiful voice!!
tulpjes2: Take offense at my statements all you would like, however, please make certain you read what I said first.
Done….
They also deposed JP Chatt, Brian Burner and a co-worker of cindy’s who cindy told of the death smell in the car. I would also be interested in JP Chatt’s. I believe he is the person who said he did not care for casey.
One of the depos done today was Sam Melich. Yuri’s better half.
This should be very interesting. Her involvement with the investigation was in following up on the airport sighting, but I’ll bet big bucks that CM and Jose try to venture into Yuri territory, and that won’t cut it.
Does anyone have a link to casey’s statement about the fall? When I follow the WFTV link, it leads to the video. I was looking for her written statement.
Frankie, TY and I would like to see JP’s depo. With others saying JP didn’t like her, makes me wonder why the defense would depo him. Same goes for Cindy co-workers, etc. They had non-favorable things to say, why the hell would the defense take a depo? Not making sense to me right now.
http://www.wftv.com/news/23793558/detail.html
Frankie – 3rd headline down, there is the PDF file.
frankie, try this:
http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0603/23784742.pdf
TE: I wonder if they will try to somehow say that Samara Melich and Yuri Melich conspired to frame casey? Mrs. Melich investigated the supposed sighting of Caylee at OIA two weeks after LE thinks she died. I wouldn’t be surprised if they try to say that Mr. Melich had convinced Mrs. Melich that Caylee was dead and she botched the interview.
Frankie – I must be missing something. Why would you think that?
Thank You Morgan and ArtTart. I wonder if they have ever had a situation like this before? It does not appear that they have. From the video, it looks like the chain was somewhat loose (short step perhaps) as she stepped into the elevator and the chain fell into the slot in the floor. Although I doubt casey is a danger, I could see the danger in having to hold the arm of more violent criminals while escorting them. Seems to me she may just be kind of klutzy!
frankie said, on June 4, 2010 at 9:08 pm
Which is exactly what she said to Robin her letters. Gotta love Karma.
Morgan: Isn’t Samari Melich Yuri’s wife? Or am I mistaken?
OT – from cnn.com:
Investigators also found a baseball bat in the room, two law enforcement sources — who said it was the murder weapon — told HLN’s “Nancy Grace.”
Ha! That is a good one! Maybe she will get used to those leg shackles sooner or later. Maybe she was trying to do her runway walk instead of the inmate shuffle!
Frankie, I am trying to look that up. So far, nothing comes up under Samari Melich, Samari Melich + caylee anthony, Samari Melich + orlando fl, Samari Melich + casey anthony (except for: How to Hire an Attorney – Individual Orientation). Will keep looking.
Frankie, everything I have found on Samara Melich, doesn’t say she is Yuri’s wife, only that she investigated the airport sighting. Gonna keep looking, but one of those things that makes you go ummm.
Morgan: That may be blog rumor…I haven’t been able to verify they are related. I was just wondering out loud if that could be a defense strategy. I have no information that it may be and I would seriously doubt the validity of such an accusation.
Frankie, I can see where it would appear they are related, but not finding anything to confirm that. I see she did the investigation of the sighting and reported it. I have not yet found her depo to the State (she is on the States list), so gonna drive myself crazy trying to find it.
Well I am off….I have the immeasurable pleasure of having a grandchild sleep over and it is time (OK, past time) for us to read ourselves to sleep. Have a good evening everyone!
Frankie – enjoy that time! I just spent 9 WONDERFUL weeks with my 2 1/2 yr old granddaughter. Most memorable to us both is singing the I see the Moon song nightly.
Morgan: I don’t know if you go to the Hinky site, but they have a searchable discovery link that looks really extensive, although I have not had time to really explore it.
Here is the link: http://www.thehinkymeter.com/casey-anthony-murder-trial/searchable-discovery/
I’m really out for tonight
TY TY – I forgot about Val’s database – OMG She is da bomb! I did find it. While there is no mention of her and Yuri being related, I did find the transcript. Seems there was a Mother and Son that states they saw Caylee at the Orlando airport on July 2nd. She states the child wanted to pet a dog that was being transported and told them her name was Caylee. After checking the flight manifest, and not finding anyone to match Caylee’s description, she called the woman back to verify the flight number. She could not remember the number. So Det Samara Melich, contact the airline again and was told her would need a subpoena, which she got. There were 2 children on board, a 7 yr old male and a female lap child, born on 5/1/07 (not Caylee).
Sounds like a mistake. Also sounds like LE did their job. Still not sure how this would help the defense, but I guess they know best, right?
Meant to say – Sounds like a case of mistaken identity. G’nite and take care all.
JudyPC said:
The USA has always extended our hand across all shores, we have always been the first in line to help, and seems we are the first ones called for money or protection.
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I think it is very admirable what the Netherlands and EVERY country in this world did to help the people of Haiti. Not one’s help was more beneficial than another, rather the united effort of all combined is what’s the most generous and kind-hearted.
Morgan & Frankie:
You won’t find her defense depo yet, as it was scheduled for yesterday at 4:00.
Doubt there is anything at all in there that would help the defense, but you know they’ll try.
TE: You mentioned above that Samara is Yuri’s better half. Do you know if that is a blog rumor or if they are indeed married?
Morgan: I think there was blog talk of the lady that reported the OIA sighting turned out to be the woman in Lake County that cindy may have bought her dogs from. If this is the same person, and I think it is, she claimed that Lake County didn’t want to talk to her and she felt like they were not taking her seriously. Sounds to me like more than mistaken identity. I am not as clear on the finer points now, because it has been so long and blog talk sometimes seems fact when it might not be.
Steph Watts Reports:
After a tip from a cell mate of Drew Peterson’s, Police have marked off an area on a private hunting ground, and will begin digging for the body of Stacey Peterson today.
Drew Peterson, behind bars — and about to stand trial for the murder of Kathleen Savio, allegedly told a fellow inmate how he killed his fourth wife, Stacey Peterson, and where he put her body. He allegedly had an accomplice help him. Police allegedly contacted this accomplice, and he lead them to the site just outside of Peoria, Il. Here’s what I don’t even get — why would someone who was an accomplice not come forward and make a deal with Prosecutors a long time ago? Remember Tom Morphy — Drew Peterson’s brother-in-law who admitted he helped carry what he believed was Stacy’s body inside a blue barrel out of the house and into Peterson’s car? His story stops there, so did Peterson get another person to help bury the body?? Stay tuned, if her body is there they will have it today.
http://stephww.wordpress.com/category/breaking-news/
Hi Frankie:
I don’t have a link, but yes, I do know they are indeed married. I’ll try to find link, but… trust.
Journalist: I sincerely hope that Drew finally screwed himself over and hoisted himself on his own petard with his cockiness. BIL needs to fry, too.
TE,
I just can’t wait to see the smarm slapped off that narcissistic bastard.
Woobabie, while it is good that it was a combined effort, Americans do the biggest part of EVERY RELIEF EFFORT that is done. ONE ONLY HAS TO READ the reports to understand that, & that is WHY we are the most Powerful Nation in the World, our TAXPAYERS are paying for the relief. That is WHY our LEADERS are on the ground within days helping organize the relief FOR ALL countries to contribute something so plans could even land. While it is great that many contributed, it is A FACT THAT our COUNTRY contributed MORE than any other’s WILL every single time, to deny that is only romantic thinking, & NOT reading the facts or stating facts. If the US gave as little as most Nations, the Death Count would have been astronomical, especially of the suffering children. Without “Doctors without Borders, what would these countries do & how many would have been left cripple?” I hope this topic ends, but to State a personal opinion WITHOUT SAYING it is a personal opinion is misleading, there are FACTS available for everyone to read to validate these facts.
To discount what the AMERICAN PEOPLE do for all countries in times of disaster in monetary relief & humanitarian relief compared to what other countries contribute is NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT America does in times of crisis or reading the facts available. What AMERICA does in times of non crisis, Doctors Without Borders operating on children in remote parts of the world to save children’s lives, Mission Efforts by Churches, etc., the Red Cross, the list is endless, this is what makes America the Greatest Country in the World, I hate to see it diminished as equal to some others countries effort as it is NOT factually correct.
ThoughtElf, Maybe they will ask her if she BLOGS? LOL! Was it Yuri that was reprimanded for blogging?
Glad we are back to discussing our passion for Justice for Caylee Marie. GLAD the antagonizer hasn’t been around but I personally plan to IGNORE.
Journalist, I too can’t stand Drew Peterson, this thing that burns me up in these cases is that after they murder the woman, THEN they spend the insurance proceeds on their attorney’s until they run out not leaving it to the children. In some of the cases lately I have read about, grandparent’s are stepping in to prevent this from happening.
OT: Drew Peterson
http://www.tmz.com/
http://www.suntimes.com/news/2358222,drew-peterson-stacy-body-dig-peoria-060510.article
Reading now that there is a break in the Peterson case, but the Sheriff’s office spokesperson refutes that it came from a jail house snitch.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/2358222,drew-peterson-stacy-body-dig-peoria-060510.article
Family is very hopeful based on info police provided.
Chicago Herald journalist is tweeting updates here:
http://twitter.com/joehosey
Art,
Yes, it was Yuri that was reprimanded, but it was much ado about nothing. Posters on WS started a thread for him when he broke his leg, just to provide well wishes. He made an appearance thanking folks for the well wishes and said nothing whatsoever about the case. I certainly wouldn’t call it ‘blogging’ about the case. ;>
ThoughtElf, I was just kidding about Yuri! LOL! Although we didn’t consider it blogging, I remember he was reprimanded for it & it made the media like everything else in the case.
I am very hopeful & praying for Peterson’s victim’s today that today will be the day they recover her body. So much going on with other cases, such as Jouran’s etc.
IMO it is absolutely ludicrous that there is so much ado about the blogs. Get a grip anthonys…
frankie, I totally agree, always a BIG deal with the ANT’s. Remember, they said “bloggers need to get a life.” LOL!
I have tried to find out information about the taxes & the Caylee Foundation & have found nothing new. I have found nothing new on the foreclosure either except the “mitigation aspect,” I was interested in the $$$$$ end of it. Does anyone know anything new or read anything new?
Nothing, but their silence might be speaking volumes? Something shut them up, which reminds me how much I am looking forward to someday reading DC’s investigative interview or depo.
I was wondering about something else, too. Might Justice come in threes this week? Drew Peterson, Joran… perhaps KC had some sense knocked in to her during her fall and will PLEA?
Alternately, movement in Haleigh’s case would round the week out nicely.
ThoughtElf, This has really been an interesting week in KC’s case as in the others. I thought KC’s hearing was most interesting, still waiting to hear on the MOTION on the Visitor’s Log, I am sure Judge P will decide by next week just as he said he would, “GET IT DONE!” I am surprised KC’s fall made bigger news than her hearing, I guess I don’t care what happens to her, I just want to know the ruling on the Motions. LOL!
I too will love to hear anything in Haleigh’s case, Tommy plead, & will sentenced July 6th I think. He seems relatively sure that he will receive 33 months, wonder why? The information on Joran possibly murdering another young woman is unbelievable. Maybe, KARMA is on a roll & will deliver the results we have been praying for in some of these cases.
Interesting article in Newsweek that encompasses KC’s case, Amanda Knox, & Joran’s.
‘WHY DO YOUNG MURDER SUSPECTS ACT LIKE REALITY TV STARS RATHER THAN MURDER SUSPECTS?”
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/06/04/for-van-der-sloot-the-end.html
That was an interesting read art tart. I haven’t followed the case, but in reading that article and several links from it, the antics of the convicted girl are strikingly similar to the behavior of casey! Let’s hope the results are as similar.
frankie, did you notice that the Newsweek article said KC said she picked ZG’s name out of a phone book, which to the best of my knowledge is incorrect. Have you ever heard that?
I thought the article was interesting in that I have thought from time to time that KC’s case seemed like a “reality show” in that the Defense is on TV with Spin, the Anthony’s were on TV doing interviews, I can’t ever remember a case that has been so bazar as KC’s. Kinda of the same situation with the Croslin’s & the Cumming’s Case, the character’s at time seem unreal in their behavior & antics. Maybe it’s the SUNSHINE Law that has allowed a lot of this that normally isn’t seen in most cases.
No, I had not heard that she picked the name out of the phone book. Newsweek is a reputable magazine…I wonder if they got it wrong or if they have info that we haven’t seen yet?
Did you also see that these other two young murderers are making money off their crimes? I wonder how much of this information casey may have had prior to killing Caylee? Also, some of the arguments about the condemnation by the public sound like bozo’s spew!
Did you also see that the Italian jury was not sequestered and read all of the information in the media? Wow…..that is bizarre!
Art Tart –
Please, get over yourself.
You have been berating others lately and trying to dictate what comments are acceptable and which aren’t (here and elsewhere). You seemed nice before, I am not sure what has changed, or if I just didn’t see this side of you before. But you are being downright mean.
I didn’t see where art tart tried to dictate anything. I saw where she stated her opinion, like most of the rest of us do, and I don’t see where she said anything mean. Hmm…
art tart
Thanks for the link to the article
Yes, interesting concept but imho all three perpetrators display traits of narcisism and sociopathy. I happen to believe that Amanda Knox is guilty of Meredith Kercher’s brutal killing as opposed to being railroaded by an inept and corrupt Italian judicial system. I believe Joran Van Der Sloot murdered Natalie Holloway and we could be seeing a serial killer stopped in his tracks. Casey Anthony imo murdered her own baby girl and we are just blown away by her behaviour.
The common denominator is the lack of conscience and the inablilty to fake it.
It’s not so much that they behave differently from killers from previous generations, its that these particuar three are high profile and with today’s no borders , in your face, 24/7 media coverage, EVERY action or word tends to get reported on.
These cases also hold more fascinatoin for the public because these killers tend to have had somewhat priveledged, so called normal upbringings.
Its a “given” that someone who commits a dasterly crime has deranged pathology…. so …what is “new” with what is said “The common denominator is the lack of conscience and the inablilty to fake it.” If these individuals did not have these traits .. they wouldn’t, nor couldn’t have done what they have done … or alleged to have done.
Yo Hola
Sorry but once again I dont get your point
I was responding to a particular article, what were you responding to?
jillycomelately said,
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Jillycomelately: I think you are right. The internet plays a huge role in the availability of information which opens up widespread conversations about the traits and personalities of these killers. In past times we would not have had the ability to read thousands of pages of discovery. We would have relied on the limited reporting in newspapers or on television. I think the interest generated by the available information gives these criminals an ego boost and in their minds, makes them celebrities. It is well known that a child will behave badly to get attention because even negative attention is better than no attention. These young criminals crave attention and are immature as evidenced by the inappropriate behavior….much like bad boys and girls.
mixologist, thanks, it seems that sometimes when commentor’s make a comment & fail to note it is “only their opinion,” FACTS show differently. Opinions made that are ONLY opinoin only, without imo on BLOGS such as Hal Bodeker’s w/Orlando Sentinel & Web Slueth don’t allow it. There is nothing wrong with anyone in the world stating their opinion, but, an opinion is not a FACT. IF the FACTS show differently, the comments will be deleted at Web Slueth.
Woobabie, I am a nice person, I make comments according to the available facts, not something I dream up. Facts that can be googled, looked up easily by anyone. IF I POST JUST MY OPINION, I STATE SO! imo! I’t NOT rocket science.
Last week JB stated Darlie Routier was convicted on SILLY STRING! That was AN OUTRIGHT LIE & ridiculous statement! She was convicted on the evidence & sits on death row for the murder of her two children. IF it was only JB’s opinion, she should state so because her comment WAS A LIE & the facts shows where Darlie sits.
The last hearing was interesting. Judge Perry seems to have Mason’s number. Mason loosely cited a case supporting his argument about Joe Jordan’s tape. When he finished Judge Perry asked for details about the case he had referred to. Mason appeared flustered and started flipping through his book and oh darn, couldn’t find it. The clerk was instructed to track it down. At the very end of the hearing Judge Perry followed up on it and found it was not even close to the case at hand. It was about a man who was murdered and the murder was recorded on a tape recorder in the victim’s office.
A well seasoned attorney such as Mason does not go to court unprepared. If Mason thought the above case had any legal merit, he would have included it in his motion and would certainly have had it at his finger tips during the hearing. IMO, he knew it was unrelated and that’s why he was playing the incompetent old man card. I think he ended up with egg on his face. Note to Mason, choose your words carefully. Judge Perry doesn’t miss a thing.
The silly string incident was only one out of many things that got Darlie Routier convicted. There was a lot of physical evidence that just didn’t jive with Darlie’s statement about what happened.
good morning jilly & frankie, I agree with your comments. We saw these characteristics in 1983 when Diane Downs had these narcissistic characteristics when she murdered in 1983. Then, it was so rare to see these characteristics in young adults. I think that is exactly correct, surely there were more but we didn’t have the internet & there was limited reporting on those cases. Now it’s more prevalent in the murderer’s we see & you both site good examples of possible reasons.
The lack of any moral compass, any empathy, is so difficult for me to understand yet when I watched the Scott Peterson Trial, I could physically see it as he looked the crime scene photos or the photos of what was left of Conner & Lacy, then, when the only real tears he cried was when his mother talked of what a wonderful child he was & a great athlete, I couldn’t believe it. Watching KC laughing in Court & flirting with Baez in the early Court appearances were disgusting & again, we will watch another narcissistic child murderer, imo, stand trial & try to “create real tears” for the jury.
mixologist, you are correct about Darlie Routier, there was absolutely NO OTHER DNA found in the Routier home, Darlie’s shallow wounds around her neck, ME testified her wounds were self inflicted, the bloody socks, no blood leading to the kitchen, etc., I looked her case up because I had forgotten about some of the evidence. The behavior at the cemetery didn’t show a warm & loving mother, her Defense claimed just as KC’s Defense that people grieve differently & I agree that is true. Darlie was convicted on the mountain of evidence the State had, IF, there was any other leads or evidence presented she didn’t do it, she wouldn’t be sitting on death row.
NosyParker, I agree about C Mason. JEEEEZ! I was embarrassed for him watching on IN SESSION. He acted as foolish as Baez, imo, inept, what a poor showing after the showboating he did in front of Judge S. What I do notice, imo, is that this defense team looks “beaten down,” or “somewhat defeated.” They didn’t seem passionate about their arguments, & I LOVE Judge P., M NeJames has warned, “Judge P doesn’t suffer fools lightly!” Guess Mason missed watching that interview.
Yes Nosy
I think Mason joined the wrong case if he’s looking for glory at the end of his career. At the risk of repeating myself, Casey Anthony gave them zero to build any sort of cohesive defense and Baez called the shots for too long. Its still looking like the spaghetti strategy. J Perry seems to be the perfect antedote for Cheney Mason. He eats case law for breakfast.
So soon we shall have as Mason called it the “big Equisearch motion or his second bite of the apple.
art tart said, on June 6, 2010 at 10:56 am
The lack of any moral compass, any empathy, is so difficult for me to understand…..
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Yes art tart and that’s part of the fascination for me. How are these creature’s heads wired up. Is it nature or nurture, a combination of the two?
Come trial the jury will see a matronly serious looking Casey Anthony who will cry on cue. They wont see half of what those who follow the case have, e.g the images of her strutting to her home confinement officer,high fiving her brother whilst sporting the have you seen me Tshirt where she couldnt resist rolling up the half sleeves to make some fashion statement. That cool as a cucumber,laughing, preening, gum chomping Casey, the night she was endicted and as always, Caylee was the furthest thing from her mind.
Will be interesting to see what J Perry allows the prosecution to show.
I guess the test will always be “relevancy”.and “materiality” Does it prove or disprove a material fact. Linda Drane Burdick more or less warned them during the party pics motion, what to expect if they open certain doors.
I admit I’m curious about who or what the defense is trying to keep secret. Mason referred to what was discussed in camera with Judge Perry. It sounded like Judge Perry granted their request and it some how ties in to the need to not release the names of Casey’s visitors. Judge Perry specifically asked what information besides names does the jail require. Too bad the County Jail attorney didn’t have the answers. The only info I’ve seen released is name and reason for visit (i.e. attorney, interview, etc.). It’ll be interesting to see how he rules on this motion.
jilly, true, we just don’t know what Judge P will consider “relevant, I am hoping the party pics during the missing 31 days,” as it does show “what she was doing when conducting her own investigation.” imo, the total lack of any concern over Caylee is palpable in these photos.
NosyParker, I am looking forward to the Judge P’s decision on the last MOTION, to prevent Jail Visitor’s Log form being released. Just speculating, I would imagine that they surely want to have a psychiatrist or psychologist interview KC as they could introduce her personality disorders during the penalty phase. Although KC never qualified for an “insanity defense,” she clearly suffers from many disorders from narcissism to bi-polar, imo, as her personality traits fit the criteria, but I also speculate that they will NEED someone to prep KC for “how to act sympathetic, as IF SHE REALLY IS UPSET.” In her early Court Appearances, I was appalled at the giggling & laughing she was doing with Baez, as if Caylee never crossed her mind. imo. Just Unbelievable.
Nosy, the Att. for the Jail pointed out that there were 94 more inmates, I would imagine this is a tough decision because, KC ISN’T special, no matter what Baez thinks. It would seem other defendant’s would be entitled to the same. Very Curious.
art tart
I agree its a shrink/s of some sorts, behaviourist. I think they also want to test the veracity of her sexual abuse claims. Mitigation is the buzz word. Priority has to be given to keeping her from the gurney. Lyon and Mason are seasoned attorneys, they have to know the State hold all the cards. Lyon is not famous for number of acquitals, its the number she prevents from being sentenced to death and notably outwith Florida. In Illinoise she only had to persuade ONE juror. In Florida she needs to persuade at least 6.
J Perry agreed there could be a case by case basis where they could consider having the names of certain experts redacted as it related to JAC payments, . He also imo gave a strong hint that this protection would only be afforded for mental health evaluations.
It seems the Judge has authority over the JAC but not the Dept of Corrections.
jilly, you make a good point, I hadn’t really considered the “sexual abuse claims.” You are correct too, the STATE does hold all the cards, they have a very unsympathetic defendant, not even likable, imo, it will be difficult for them to show differently. Without KC testifying, they cannot testify for her, it is going to be nearly impossible to overcome.
IF the ANT’s take the stand & say what a great mother KC is, etc., the STATE will challenge them proving she wasn’t a good mother without even holding a job, stealing from them to support her night life, the STATE will also introduce KC as a Convicted Felon X 6 in the penalty phase too. Mason & Lyon’s get it, Baez imo, still doesn’t. Perhaps closer to trial, they may beg the STATE for LWOP because the odds are clearly NOT in their favor, imo, of beating the DP. Persuading 6 jurors’ that KC doesn’t deserve the DP after Ashton has given his passionate description of the STATE’s theory of Caylee’s last moments on earth in addition to the Visual they will show of a small skull with the Duct Tape applied, Lyon’s is going to have so much to overcome it may not be possible, imo. Lyon’s is going to think of KC’s best interest, imo, sadly it is unfortunate that she wasn’t on the case early on as Baez has jammed the defense up with poor decisions, & now too late to “remedy.”
It is ridiculous that the Civil Case wasn’t handled early on, NOW, it is a HUGE problem for the defense with the testimonies under Oath of the entire Anthony clan being allowed in the murder trial should they perjure themselves. ALL those questions they didn’t want to answer, will be answered in the C Trial. It will be interesting to see how far the Defense is willing to go to gamble with KC’s life.
“J Perry agreed there could be a case by case basis where they could consider having the names of certain experts redacted as it related to JAC payments, . He also imo gave a strong hint that this protection would only be afforded for mental health evaluations”.
Thanks for clarifying. So many details to remember. I forgot which motion was heard in camera. So this would most likely relate to substantiating mitigating factors in the penalty phase. I almost went back to relisten to the last hearing. No need to now!
art tart
Maybe the problem is how do they break it to Casey. Baez imo filled her head that she could beat this, no body, no conviction. Sell her story and become a child advocate.
Yes I think she’s that delusional, the jailhouse letters clearly show the disconnect with reality.
Not that long ago that Lyon made that boo boo “she didnt kill her kid”. But for a year
she sent in a mitigation expert. I wonder how much out of the loop Casey is.
Will this team see eye to eye 11 months from now. will there be a trial? so many questions lol
Is her brother writing to her still, is he still providing adivice to her?
Did George get himself a job ?
NosyParker said, on June 6, 2010 at 3:40 pm
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Nosy YW
jilly, I too have always felt that due to Baez’s lack of experience, he bought into KC’s story when he first became her attorney. imo, she lied to Baez about a lot of things, Baez told KC that all they had to do “was create reasonable doubt.” I don’t think Baez had any idea what he was in for with the FRAUD CASE & the Civil Case, & I don’t think he anticipated Caylee’s remains being found.
With no remains, imo, there might have been a good chance of reasonable doubt with all the Caylee sightings the ANT’s were doing on National TV. The location of Caylee’s remains & her car being towed from AMSCOT when she had hoped it would be stolen with her keys in it destroyed much chance of reasonable doubt.
Since she has accused Lee too if sexual abuse, I doubt seriously he is corresponding with his sister but who knows. What a real slap in the face.Now she has accused GA & Lee. I have wondered if GA is so ANGRY he isn’t going to go to Court anymore, I wouldn’t, but, he too could possibly have a job.
Art tart, I believe it was proven that Casey had NOT left her keys in the car. That was a rumor. That doesn’t mean that she didn’t expect (or maybe hope) that her abandoned car would be stolen, from a check cashing place with her bag in open sight and all.
NosyParker, I didn’t realize that, I knew that she had left her purse & ID in plain sight! I know I had read she had but as you said, it might have been a rumor. Thanks for telling me that!
I do feel like she wanted her car to be stolen, just think, IF that would have happened, she would have SCREAMED someone else put Caylee’s remains in her trunk. The Defense would have blamed them. LOL! It is puzzling to try to speculate what KC planned, it was obvious she wasn’t going back to get the “stinking car!” It seemed as things started spiraling out of control, she didn’t have any real plans, just partying/living day to day. I also found it so puzzling that she was stupid enough to take Amy’s checkbook as she had to know she would be caught stealing Amy’s money! Maybe she just thought she would lie her way out of it like she had always done.
Ok Art Tart, I respectfully disagree with your opinion and mine is that you tend to preach to others (at times!) what the facts are and aren’t; and jump on others for not being as up on things as you are.
Mixologist, of course you didn’t see it here, as I said in my comment “here & elsewhere”. I wasn’t basing my opinion on what was only posted here. I just used the empty box here to type it.
Anyhow, I’m over it. I’ll go back to perusing.
I dont think Casey abandoned her car. I do think she wanted rid of it over that weekend till she could attempt to get it cleaned. On the premis that Caylee had been removed from the car around the 19/20th,why not dump it then, she
probably couldnt figure out why the smell was getting worse. The stench by 27th must have been permeating the WHOLE car and driving it must have been nigh on impossible. She may have feared the stench would start sticking to her too.
Casey had agreed to drive Tony and Nate to the airport early morning June 30th. I think she got rid of the car in case Tony assumed they would use her car for the airport ride. Over that weekend she coud have gotten Tony to take her back to the car with gas, however,she chose to tell him the lie that George had it towed to a dealership. Straight after she dropped off Tony at the airport(with his jeep) she,arrives at Amy’s and around 11am they go to Target and buy a $4.00 gas can. Amy claims Casey remained with her till late afternoon when Amy had to go to work. Casey left with the can.
I just dont see this penniless girl giving up her one source of independance. But then again Casey doesnt do logic.
woobabie, you certainly are entitled to respectfully disagree, you are certainly entitled to write anything you want whether it is based on facts or not. I’m glad your over it & can go back to perusing. Good luck with that.
jilly, that too is certainly a possibility as KC couldn’t expose Tony to the “decomp smell” & that was a good excuse for her to use Tony’s car. KC too could have thought the car just needed to air out & the smell would lessen. YUP! KC doesn’t do logic.
I haven’t seen where Casey’s ID was in “plain-sight” in her car.
Casey’s Driver’s license nor wallet were in the car, or in her “work purse” in the car. Lee says in his State depo that her DL was in her wallet, which was in her backpack, which he got from Tony’s apt. the night of July 15th.
The only type of ID that was mentioned as being in the car was Casey’s Universal ID, but Cindy says in her State deposition that that was INSIDE of her “work purse” which was on the front passenger seat.
Is there something I’m missing that says otherwise?
Here are Cindy’s and Lee’s State Depositions…
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/depos/cindyanthonydepo072909.pdf
This is the 2nd half of Cindy’s State depo, but this is where she specifically talks about the purse and Universal ID at around page 150ish. Note, her depo is 666 pages long!
Lee: http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/depos/lanthonydepo073009.pdf
I HOPE THAT IS “FACT” ENOUGH to be allowed here by AT! Hah.
art tart & Jilly :
It is my belief that the lack of moral compass & empathy stem from being de-sensitized.
The violence our young people have been and continue to be exposed to is out of control, even the cartoons our very young children watch are violent & sexually explicit, for those of you that have not watched with your children or grandchildren egads, gone are the days of Bugs Bunny.
Then add into the equation the video games & some of the very explicit rap music children growing up as latch key kids spending their time with no supervision, and the fact that parents can not & many do discipline children.
They are not teaching the basic idea’s of respect for others, or responsibility, if a child gets in trouble they are looking for excuse’s rather than showing them there are consequences for bad behavior.
And please, this next statement is not a pro or con for abortion, but it seems to me that children have been de-valued as a result, if you do not want a child, you simply rid yourself of it, it is acceptable and no one has to accept responsibility for their sexual actions.
Our world has become a very “ME” oriented society, we expect instant gratification, constant pleasure, and we want it all to come easy, we no longer care if our actions insult, or cause detriment to another, their happiness is their problem.
WooBabie
Your observation is right on!
I think it’s all one big C&P for AT. She’s been preaching this same sermon for months everywhere she goes.
LOL
Just saying..
JudyPC,
STAMP! I agree with you whole heartedly. You are right. Btw, I hadn’t thought about the abortion issue, you made a very good point.
While KC may or may not have hoped that her car would be stolen, I lean towards agreement with JCL. I don’t believe that KC would readily give up that source of independence.
Had KC been more capable of forethought, I wonder if she would have found an excuse to get one of her guy friends to ‘move’ her car for her? Further cementing her SODDI groundwork? She really isn’t any sort of criminal master mind at all, else she would have found an excuse to either have one of her paramours move the car and get them to detail it for her to set them up, or she herself would have returned, picked up the car and ditched it in a far off field and tossed a match to it. Even KC knew she couldn’t risk getting one of the guys to ‘help’ her with her car without allowing someone else near enough to smell that distinctive scent of decomp.
Jilly’s theory does make sense. She might just have easily left the car in a higher crime area; a less public place with the keys in the car if she truly hoped for a theft.
We don’t know for a fact that CA & GA were the only ones who did clean the trunk of that car. I wouldn’t doubt that KC herself made attempts to clean out the trunk in the days before she ditched the car. When KC texted Amy to say that the squirrels had been scraped away, perhaps she had cleaned the trunk resulting a temporary abatement of the awful odour? Maybe when the scent seeped back in, that was what triggered the car being abandoned?
Hoping for the vehicle to be randomly selected from a parking lot facing onto a well-traveled street seems too optimistic even for KC. I think she left it where it wasn’t likely to be stolen in hopes of returning later to attempt another round of cleaning.
judypc said, on June 7, 2010 at 12:28 am
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Judy you make some very valid points and I totally agree about the loss of values and instant gratification.
But Im sure you’d agree,the Casey Anthonys and Diane Downs of this world are a breed apart and there are some great kids in this world who overcome some horrendus backgrounds and go on to be productive members of society.
The murder of a child is the ultimate depraved act and in the absence of some serious mental illness these killers dont even deserve the term human. They are in a league of their own.
Why didnt Casey just officially adbicate motherhood and let Cindy take Caylee. Why did she feel this little baby was her nemesis and want her dead. When I think of all the childless people out there conventional or not who are desperate for a child and could have treasured little life, I feel sick.
Thought Elf
I think you’re right about Casey only giving the car a cursory clean.
I think she may have attempted to dry up the trunk and thrown in the drier sheets that were later found in the trash bag. But certainly no thorough job was attempted pre June 27th.
Note when they found the car, her boots, shoes and pants were in the back seat. Took her own personal sh*t out of the stinking trunk.
And I’m positive when George and Cindy had their alledged ” its pizza right?” exchange, George pointed out the stain to Cindy who used more than Febreze on it.
Subconciously Cindy had already begun covering up.
Jilly:
Yes, there are some great kids out there, children that grow up against all odds, abused beyond what most could ever imagine, and yet they grow into these amazing people that surpass the word miraculous.
Think like Casey for a moment, she would never have given Cindy the pleasure, and the ability to say, “I told you so” I knew you could not be a mother” plus she would not have given Caylee her spot in the family.
JB:
When you reduce anything to something disposable it devalues it, reducing a baby to an embryo, as abortion does it is no longer looked at as human life, abortion became the answer to unwanted babies, young girls began to see it as an easy out, why ruin your life with a child, just get rid of it.
Now, again I am not speaking for or against abortion, just saying IMO it has devalued a child, reduced it to nothing more than having your tonsils removed.
judypc said, “…Now, again I am not speaking for or against abortion, just saying IMO it has devalued a child, reduced it to nothing more than having your tonsils removed.”…
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Again, I believe you have crossed the line with your “hauty, know it all attitude…… You reallly don’t know about what you speak.
Yo Hola, shut it. Your comments here are nothing more than a lame attempt to bait people.
mixologoist. you are correct, anything to start an argument, still waiting for any intelligent substance. Hopefully most will ignore it.
I do agree, giving Caylee to CA/GA wasn’t an option for KC, imo, she was too spiteful, she might have viewed it as “losing to her mother & again hearing CA say I told you so.” Too, CA threatened KC with taking Caylee from her so many times, just as she told Amy H she wanted to get custody of Caylee, it seems it might have “ratcheted up the anger in both CA & KC. imo
♬♬♬Who let the dogs out?♬♬♬♬
Does anyone recall the next time there will be a Court Hearing? I anticipated that there would be more Motions filed by the Defense on Friday, guess Baez was too busy with his depositions. Also, will we hear IF Judge P grant’s the copies of the 8 depositions that Baez has requested? Does anyone know?
I haven’t heard anything regarding hearings or motions. Just checked WESH, they don’t have anything new.
If anyone is interested, Val hal is exploring GA & the SMELL! I am in awe of her expertise & the contributions she shares with us.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
Well, art tart, I like “talking” with you and enjoy your comments.
I was over at Hinkey….Ooooo, Ooooo, that smell, can’t ya smell that smell…..(Erci Clapton)
“that smell” …………..lynrd skynrd
Oh boy, Beast, that is RIGHT! I sure screwed that one up huh? LOL! And I am a BIG Skynard fan…
art tart
Thanks for the hinky link
I took the liberty of copying part of Val’s post where she demonstrated the enigma that is George Anthony. He is being deposed by the SAO about picking up the car from the towyard.
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Q Your granddaughter has been unaccounted for well, you had not had contact with your granddaughter for 31 days. You find your daughter’s car towed with a smell at least consistent with human decomposition, in your mind; correct?
A Is it possible? Yes.
Q Possible. All right. When you got home, did you discuss with Cindy calling the police?
A No. Not at that point, no.
Q Did you, yourself –
A Did not.
Q — put those facts together and generate a concern about the safety of your granddaughter?
A No. Because Cindy said she was going to handle it. I was upset with Casey. I said: I want to know where she is. She says: George, I’ll handle it.So that was the extent of that conversation.
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WTF
I always thought George was a loathsome creature and deserves great blame for the
strange dynamics of family Anthony. In defense of Cindy it seems she, unlike her
husband and daughter had a good work ethic. Everything she tried to build up was a sham. To outsiders Mr and Mrs Average with the comfortable home, nice cars and the beautifully dressed,cutest little grandchild was a far cry from reality. Around Caylee’s birth George and Cindy separated, George it seems was as big a thief as his daughter,
for the second time in 20 years they had a house with no equity.
But despite being the cause of the loss of trust and financial meltdown, George was still putting the squeeze on Cindy. He was the first to file for divorce and all he wanted from her was half the value of the house and alimony.
So no divorce, but what a foundation for two people to remain living together.
Then some 2 years later,this former policeman
who hasnt seen his grandchild for a month picks up a car, he admits reeks of a sinister but familiar smell and he f*cks off to work and lets Cindy H.A. N. D. L.E it. 
Hey Jilly & LindaNY, Hey Beast! I am always worried I am in trouble when I see that EYE, your avatar lppking at me. LOL! I love it!
I hope as long as I never experience that smell. Someone on WebSl. ask AZ Lawyer if the the Jurors would “have to smell that Decomp Smell,” & she responded that “No, the importance of the DECOMP smell was that GA, CA, & LE, recognized it as that of a dead body.”
Jilly, your assessment of this familiar is correct imo. CA sent GA back to work because she knows he is the weakest link imo, PLUS, she didn’t want GA to be able to answer questions about the trunk. At this point, GA has a real OPPORTUNITY to MAN UP & TAKE CARE OF IT HIMSELF! TOO SPINELESS! jmo! Irksome, THEN, when he knows Caylee is missing & LIES ON LARRY KING TELLING THE AUDIENCE IT WAS PIZZA!
Some speculate CA removed several things from the trunk of KC’s trunk including using a shop vac on the trunk to get the smell out, she washed KC’s jeans, Could she have possibly DUMPED the DECOMP water out in the back yard where the dogs hit? It seems plausible, to me as we never knew why the dogs hit in the backyard, but I guess anything is plausible.
art tart
Wow, that never occurred to me about water in the back yard and it is indeed plausible.
I certainly dont buy her account of only spraying a little Febreze, not when she had already put the pants in the wash before she too went back to work.
Now I dont believe at this point Cindy knew Caylee was dead, but I do believe her subconcious was already at work. She had long since had to get Casey out of scrapes. It seems Cindy was the most gullible of people when it came to her youngest child.
Below is part of an email she sent Casey July 14th.
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http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202801-2850%20f.pdf
page 2
“can’t sleep, stupid hot flashes wake me up then I start thinking about you and Caylee. Dad said he went to work at 9am and he got home at 630p, he said he did not come home in between. I don’t know who or what to believe anymore. You’ve told me everyday that you were going to call me and you haven’t but you choose to call when you know I won’t be home. What the hell is going on? I’ve tried not to bug you to death but I still haven’t gotten to see pictures of Caylee or gotten to speak to her. It’s been over a month now. Am I ever going to see her again? Are you still with Jeff? Are you going back to work? I saw on the news that Anheiser Busch is being bought by a foreign company that does not want the theme parks only the beer part of the Co. What is that all about they’re talking Disney or Universal may get to buy the theme parks. I thought Universal already merged with them? I’m not sure how much longer I can continue on this day to day course. I’m going freakin nuts not knowing what going on with you. I had a breakdown at work, can’t take much more stre”
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Not the complete e mail obviously,but clear that by 14th July, Cindy was in a bad way. She was genuinely worried about Caylee. BUT, its also clear imo that Cindy completely bought into her daughter’s bullsh*t and for much longer than an average person. That said, I dont believe she thought for a second that Caylee was in physical danger. from her own mother. Cindy appears to have always been “in denial” about Casey.
She asks about the phantom Jeff and seems worried for Casey’s phantom job.
Others may disagree but to me, it would seem Cindy WAS really that dumb or DENIAL was her coping mechanism for a life of disappointments and failure.
jilly, I agree with you that the Anthony’s never thought KC was capable of “murdering Caylee,” I do think they were wise to a lot of her “cons,” knew she wasn’t working, as CA says so, Have you gone back to work?” The set up the family seemed to have was that CA was the “thinker, the bread winner, the one that saw to Caylee’s needs.” They clearly loved Caylee, that is why it has been so difficult to watch them never DEMAND JUSTICE for her.
Remember too when CA tried to Contact KC on myspace or facebook, “where or where is my caylee gone?” I can certainly see where CA was about to lose it, it is unbelievable that KC played games with her parent’s & Lee when she knew they were desperately looking for Caylee, just to love her, just to give her some new stuff. I guess in their family stuff meant love. jmo.
MOTION DENIED! NO SECRET VISITORS!
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/6/7/caseys_jail_visitors_not_a_secret_for_long.html
There were 3 MOTIONS DENIED! Here they are:
Anthony’s attorneys had asked for jail visitation logs to be kept secret because they didn’t want prosecutors to know which experts were visiting their client.
The judge also denied a defense request concerning the death penalty.
He also denied a motion for the state to turn over forensic evidence that prosecutors claim they don’t have.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/6/7/caseys_jail_visitors_not_a_secret_for_long.html
jillycomelately, I was reading at WebSlueth’s tonight & ran across this thread. It seems they bumped this thread, I had never read it, but the comment by BondJamesBond one of the moderators wrote a great comment on the “decomp in the back yard” & the K-9′s.” I thought you might find this interesting.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70639&page=23
art tart said, on June 7, 2010 at 9:07 pm
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Thanks art tart
Ah, noteriety is truly a double edged sword, it can get a worthless grifter $275, 000 and Henry Lee but there is a price,the press will publish your jail visitation records.
And on this news, I say goodnight, a very happy bunny
art tart said, on June 7, 2010 at 9:37 pm
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Thanks again
Will have a look and speak with you tomorrow
till then… take care
OT: So, Joran Van der sloot confessed to killing that young lady in Peru–will he finally admit to killing Natalie Holloway?????
LNY
I hope so, but I think he has had time to toughen up about that case, 5 years is a long time for him to kind of put it behind him.
Either way, welcome to hell Joran.
Something about the story is missing. Why did Flores happen to look him up on the Internet while in the room? That part is definitely unclear.
I wonder if Peru has sunshine Laws?
TE, LOL I was wondering the same thing about Sunshine laws.
I’m not sure she looked at the Internet, maybe just his files?
Her father is saying there is a lot of evidence on the laptop. Maybe something about the extortion attempt?
Thanks T2M. That is a good possibility.
Having said that, some things still aren’t lining up. Out of all the files on his laptop, why would she look at those ones in particular? I think his confession is still mired in half-truths and smells a bit like old pizza.
Even if we buy into her discovering who he was randomly while in his hotel room, why did he need to remove Stephany’s pants as part of the plot? I believe he may or may not have let on to Stephany about his past in the process of attempted rape. “You’d better behave, I killed the last girl who tried to defy me.”
In one article I read he’d confessed to breaking her neck, which doesn’t explain all the other injuries that show she was battered. Still only a partial confession?
Regardless, they have his sorry, sick butt where it belongs this time. Bubba will teach him how to squeal in Spanish.
That’s it TE, he’s a gonner and that’s all that really matters.
I hope someone looks into missing young women he had contact with in the last 5 years.
I think he’s done this more than twice, with Holloway he was only 17, that’s an early start even for a serial killer.
I saw so many sex workers in Thailand, I can see how some could go missing and no one would pay much attention.
T2M – I suspect you are right and if he managed to hide the bodies as well as he did NH’s, then we may never know how many young women he has killed.
BTW, belated happy anniversary. Digging your new digs.
Well, well,well ….. he finally broke… makes one think about the effectiveness of the Aruba police.
Unbelievable that he said she “intruded into his private life” and “had no right”. WTH? So that gives HIM the “right” to murder someone?
He has no right ….. he’s just a sick puppy …… .and his parents are equal to the crime… remember his mom saying “what a good boy” Joran was …HA !!!
Thanks TE! Gonna have to put up a new post soon,
Yo Hola, I think that statement by him shows what he really is, sociopath for sure. Scary to think that a little thing like picking up someone’s electronics could cost you your life.
Sad that this is the only way to get him in a secure place, I was worried too, I didn’t know at first how connected this girls family was and thought he would get away.
But the shoe was on the other foot this time, HER family had the clout and he was the out-of-towner. Gotta love that part.
http://www.foxnews.com/
THE GIRL INTRUDED INTO MY LIFE!
Police in Peru say Joran Van der Sloot admits breaking the neck of 21-year-old student Stephany Flores after she used his computer to discover he was connected to disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
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Yo Hala, I agree about Joran’s parent’s, they might have had “clout in Aruba,” but Stephany’s parent’s have clout where Joran will stand trial. KARMA!
Mike Iglarsh said yesterday on HLN that the maximum for murder was 35 yrs. unless it was a WAR crime. From the sounds of the jails there, he won’t make.
A lot of people are wondering why she would be on his Internet, I think it’s possible he had a page about the the Holloway case up on the screen because it was the 5 year anniversary and he was checking out what was going on in that case. All she would have had to do was open it if that’s the case.
That’s possible. I know experts say killers will track their own cases.
Republica newspaper reporting Stephanie died instantly, yet earlier reports she was bludgeoned with a tennis racket and didnt have her skirt on.
Now reports that Stephanie was a gay woman and that she had won a few thousand dollars at the casino. No money found at hotel or in her car.
Apparently Van Der Sloot will be asked to reconstruct the killing back at the hotel sometime today.
jilly
I *thought* I heard a relative say they couldn’t have an open casket due to the condition of her body.
Conflicting reports are common at such an early stage of an investigation I guess.
Judege Perry DENIES Motions!
T2M
Yep, I guess we will get the true facts sooner or later from the authorities.
But this girl had been dead for nearly three days before they found her, decomposition must have been well underway, so that in itself could be the reason for a closed casket.
Also an untrained eye ( like the receptionist who found her) might mistake lividity for bruising. Just saying
Rumours often abound for high profile cases. AND guess who watches too much true crime…
One I do believe ….this guy is a monster who loses control easily.
and I dont beieve there was a 5 year gap in between victims.
Stephanie seemed to be hesitant when she followed him to the room. I wonder why she did. I wonder if he lured her there by telling her he would talk about Natalie?
Micahel Griffith on Fox…insight into Peruvian prison:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4231021/joran-confesses#/v/4231167/worst-place-in-the-world-to-go-to-prison/?playlist_id=87937
Rooms 25X15 with 35 prisoners per room
Showers work 15 minutes once a week for 600 prisoners
Food is horrid and seemingly inedible
Prisoners control prison. He had to hire guards to take him in to see his client.
Pretty boy will be in real bad company……as he deserves.
I sure hope these types of crimes catch the eyes of young women to never ever go anywhere alone with a strange man. I am sorry to say, you cannot trust anyone. Always beware!! Always!
Sadly for this young woman, she figured out who Joran was a little too late. I hope this one sticks though.
jilly
I agree, 5 years is a long time for someone like him to get what he needs, and I think he needs to kill. Good point about levitity, hadn’t thought of that.
frankie,
I posted a video at Rs place showing the prison he will be in, a living hell and you don’t need to speak spanish to figure it out.
Wow.
“According to La Republica newspaper, Van der Sloot told officials he broke Flores’ neck in a rage after he discovered she had used his notebook computer without permission and learned he was involved in the disappearance of Holloway.”
Source: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/08/report-van-der-sloot-confesses-peru-murder/
I hope they nail the bastard for Natalie’s murder too.
Well…this is interesting. Nostradamus prediction:
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/06/will-casey-anthony-prediction-come-true-this-year/
Wow…that IS interesting.
If you read this article, it states that Casey will be set free and that it’s a different “monster” that confesses. So I guess it’s all open to interpretation.
http://www.yourworldreport.com/casey/nostradamus_predicted.htm
I’m skeptical about this particular interpretation. ;>
This wildly speculative interpretation has been floating around for over a year now, and I have yet to find any link to a Nostradamus quatrain that includes ‘Antone’. And I’ve searched 942 of them.
People have used several quatrains to link to the Jazz great Clifford Antone, the war with Antone, San Antone, TX, and even 9-11 conspiracy theories, but AFAIK, there is no specific quatrain with Antone in it. Likewise, many historians believe that Nostradamus used ‘silver’ to denote the Moon or the Goddess Diana.
Square peg > round hole.
All of Nostradamus’ writings can be stretched, poked and prodded to suit, much like people do with Revelations in the Bible. If you want to take a crack at some prediction fun with the sooth sayer from days of yore, this is a good place to start:
http://www.crystalinks.com/nostradamus.html
I’m going to dig through the new motion decisions and see what Judge Perry’s crystal ball shows us.
Wow the subject matter really changed since I was here last! LOL
TE: Yeah, after I posted that, I read that there is speculation that the quatrain was created AFTER this case. And I read both interpretations. I personally don’t put too much faith in these predictions, but I just find them interesting, if they are actual writings of the stated author.
I am not buying his confession. I think he might be a serial killer. There is a 5 year stretch between Natalie and Stephanie. Wonder if anyone was watching the evil thing?
Ditto on all remarks, Frankie.
I doubt any LE agency has had him under constant surveillance all of these years. Too costly in both man hours & money, especially since he traveled so much. Gives me more food for thought about Caylee’s case, too.
While I am not one that believes KC will walk, IF she somehow does manage to avoid justice this time around, how long will it be before she screws up and goes to jail again? Not necessarily for murder, but how will she finance her great RV road trip other than by stealing? She’ll surely beat herself with the stupid stick again if & when she ever does go free.
frankie
His passport will tell on him.
oooh. This might be good. Thanks to an awesome chum this just landed in my mailbox:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-08/joran-van-der-sloot-confesses-to-stephany-flores-murder/?cid=tag:mostrecent1
Peruvian authorities have been cooperating with investigators in Aruba since Flores’ body was discovered and it may be paying off. On Tuesday morning, investigators in Aruba were to begin an intense search near a bird sanctuary after new information emerged from Van der Sloot’s interrogations in Lima. The family of Stephany Flores has reached out to Holloway’s parents, saying they hope Van der Sloot will also admit his involvement in her disappearance.
ThoughtElf said, on June 8, 2010 at 1:35 pm
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Thanks for that link, ThoughtElf. My favorite part is about the prison he will end up in. Heopefully he will not be able tp “pay for a cell” and instead be put with the rest of the prisoners.
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Haha, frankie, I brought up the Nostradamus thing last week and no one cared when I mentioned it! I did always find Nostradamus interesting. And you CAN twist anything around….
Casey is the ONLY one who killed Caylee. No one else will confess either.
ThoughtElf, thanks for the link. The Daily Beast is one of my favorites. I hope that he “spills on Natalie also,” the Holloways need to bring her home.
The jail sounds like it is one of the worst of the worst, imo, very appropriate for the scumbag. Fox had a contributor on today that travels around viewing prisons & jails where prisoners were kept. He said, without a doubt, this is the one of the worst prisons he has ever seen. He said there are as many as 35 prisoners in a small cell, Joran is getting just what he deserves. imo.
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Although I know it was written from a perspective of someone famous for their art, I do think the lyrics lend themselves really well to parents like the Anthonys, the Van der Sloots, etc. Too bad more of them don’t see beyond the gilded cage.
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Was this the week JB booked off? I can’t recall? I wonder what this week will bring? New Defense motions?
I also wonder how thing are going in this week leading up to the 2 year anniversary? Do you think KC is pouring out her soul to her new BFF the mitigation specialist? I wonder how the A’s will mark the days ahead between June 15 & July 15th?
*sniff test* (Seems fresh & purty)
Where’d everybody go?
hey ThoughtElf, I have been painting today, taking a little break. I think you might be right, LOL! I wondered WHY there weren’t more URGENT MOTIONS!
I have been following the case of little Kyron that is 7 yrs. old that disappeared from his school. His parent’s didn’t know until he didn’t get off the school bus taht he was missing. The FBI was called in immediately. It is really puzzling.
We really need a DOC dump, a close up of KC’s chipped tooth,LOL! I read where someone called it her “Gangster Tooth!” LOL! WAY to quiet in her case.
I’m following Kyron’s case, too. Did you see the interview with his little best buddy?
This one really got to me:
http://www.kptv.com/video/23842579/index.html
Thanks ThoughtElf, something is not right in this case, the FBI was called in immediately, they are NOT saying it is a child abduction, but an endangered child. LE is with his parent’s, LE is NOT releasing any information except to say they are searching in the METRO Area for him. I assume “the dogs were brought in & led them to the area.”
Something just doesn’t feel right about this case & this school. He was seen at school with his step mom, put his back pack on the back of his seat in the classroom, & his step mom & Kyron walked down to the science fair. At WHAT point did the school decide he was absent? This is a NIGHTMARE that this went on all day & h’s parent’s DIDN’T know.
I have not followed too closely but by any chance could Kyron have left with his stepmom
after attending the fair????
I’m not thinking Step-mom yet. A witness saw him at 9:00 after SM left, but LE isn’t saying who that was.
I’m leaning towards him being lured away by someone he ‘knew’, but not necessarily well. A lot of folks were at the science fair that morning. I think the school is in for a lot of scrutiny.
I don’t think it is significant that LE was brought in so early. The Kidnapping unit gets called up right away now when kids are young.
Deceased Daughter or Strict Mistress?
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Dr. Vass from ‘The Body Farm’ has stated: “We could not prove 100 percent from our end that it was human remains.”
( http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/dec/14/death-detector/ )
Yet despite Dr. Vass’s disclosure of reasonable doubt it seems Prosecutors may still leave trunk evidence up to a jury, whereas the Defense will attempt to have it tossed. To Frye or not to Frye then? And should I ask – would Daubert even bother?
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It seems our alleged plot is a crime by chloroform. And a trunk. A trunk without a body. A trunk without a body awash with chloroform and garbage remains. A trunk without a body awash with chloroform and garbage remains and a rather tenuous tie-in to a few fetish searches for chloroform on one of the Anthonys computers. Our angle – Bondage With a Side of Chloroform. Why? Because of two cadaver dogs. Our K9 Super Sniffers compel a three-way between the chloroform search, the chloroform detected and human death. Chloroform has become our weapon of restraint. Or has it?
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Premeditated homicide or premeditated paraphilic interest? If anyone hasn’t yet noticed chloroform is the big ticket item in our car and trunk show. Lots of it. So much of it in fact one might think one would need a shovel and some sand\dirt to bury a ‘bad’ batch in the back yard to render it safe. Or leave a car for a few days after a spill. Or maybe even keep another away from the trunk when returning gas cans. One might also wonder if our Super Sniffers may have confused ‘the perfume of death’ with a pseudoscent created by this ‘unusual variety of products or materials not present (and earlier discarded) in the trunk at the time of vehicle discovery’. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. And one might also hope a sometimes inattentive mother was able to keep her little one safe.
( http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19801995.pdf Pg 16)
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And in the absence of any confidence in the testing by Dr. Vass himself, might our car and trunk show be less about a deceased daughter and more so a plan for some spanking new chloroform? However without trunk-side seats how can we possibly know about any of this? A hardcore conversation with a reputed friend might be a beginning. It seems likely more kinky foreplay was suggested, chloroform then searched, a photo uploaded, and then searched some more. Neck-Breaking? Death? Household Weapons? A little BDSM anyone? It might be interesting to note that the erotic interest in paraphilia meets the criteria for a disorder because it has the potential for lethality or serious injury. I wonder if the Defense will go anywhere with this? I can agree with both sides, however, that Casey did seem to engage in a sexed-up lifestyle. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_asphyxiation )
So I guess with the upcoming? Frye hearing the final point of contention remains whether or not the trunk’s prejudicial effect outweighs its probative value. And as I sit here in my own longish robe with my own golden gavel I have decided to rule it as ‘self-serving’ and questionable. And yes, my bench is excellent.
Simply put: Very few things in life come with a 100% guarantee.
Dr. Vass’s statement does not imply a reasonable doubt, yet. On the stand, under questioning, we may hear that the likelihood that there was a decompositional event in the trunk is 99 44/100th % pure. ;>
As with anything else up for public consumption, it is all in the marketing, which can be slanted to suit a desired audience. With the jury, there will be more facts that fan fair.
Snowy said, on June 9, 2010 at 3:25 pm
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Ive yet to hear the State Prosecutors publically lay out if or how they intend to use chloroform in their case in chief.
And whilst a Frye hearing will decide the admissibility of so called novel science, evidence offered re the trunk will ALSO come from a forensic entymologist, and witnesses who experienced the potent stench.
Therefore as entymlogy or taphonomy
is viewed somewhat more as an established forensic tool, I’m sure Dr Neil Haskell’s findings will be deemed probabtive, as it relates to the prosecutors’ assertion that a decomposing body was in the trunk of the pontiac.
Dont think the complete comprehensive forensic computer report has been made public but that’s merely a personal opinion.
jilly, that’s true. We will NOT see all the evidence until trial although the DEFENSE will get it. I just can’t imagine that the Defense isn’t begging for a PLEA as it seems they have a million headaches & still no focus on what they are doing. I just can’t believe that they are going to take this case into trial with KC facing the DP. jmo, a tremendous gamble with their client’s life. Of course, they ALL work for KC, LOL!
The Defense may try to poke holes in some of the forensics, they may or may not be successful, imo, the totality of the circumstantial evidence will convict KC Anthony.
ThoughtElf said, on June 9, 2010 at 5:33 pm
Simply put: Very few things in life come with a 100% guarantee.
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Yes TE and I think the use of terms such as definite or 100% are rarely proffered by the forensic scientific community, case in point DNA analysis which arugably has revolutionised criminal detection.
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the source of adipocere, fly and maggot activity, with a lingering vile and discernable odour described by one “I wanna be straight with you guys ” George Anthony as human decomposition.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20321119/detail.html
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State filed a motion Wednesday for the jury to hear the 911 calls.
“The prosecutor contends that the calls help show the progression of stories Casey Anthony told to explain the disappearance of her daughter Caylee Marie.”
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“The calls show how “the defendant ‘created’ the kidnapping story after denying there was any problem locating Caylee Marie Anthony,” Burdick states. “These fabrications demonstrate consciousness of guilt on the part of the defendant …”
This is to counter the Defense’s earlier motion to have the calls excluded. Defense cited them as ‘testimonial’ and included them in a list of ‘unreliable hearsay.’
I don’t think so. ;>
ThoughtElf, I thought this had been resolved but I guess not. CA’s call to 911 wasn’t hearsay, it was an EXCITED UTTERANCE, a big difference imo. The fear in CA’s voice is palpable, & to say they were “unreliable hearsay” seems strange as in fact there was a dead body in KC’s trunk at some point. I think they will lose this Motion on this particular call.
The 911 call, imo, started the search for Caylee Marie, IF CA had NOT made that 911 call, I guess KC would have NEVER reported Caylee.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-911-callls-20100609,0,709258.story
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Hi Thought Elf,
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This is to counter the Defense’s earlier motion to have the calls excluded. Defense cited them as ‘testimonial’ and included them in a list of ‘unreliable hearsay.’
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It sounds like the defense is putting up a defense. Good job I’d say. What were people expecting? Did they think the defense would lie down and do nothing? LOL And just beg for a plea? Amazing…
Most of the evidence presented will be argued. This is what happens in a trial.
theJBmission said, on June 10, 2010 at 5:02 pm
Most of the evidence presented will be argued. This is what happens in a trial.
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Ya think?
I believe ThoughtElf was pointing out that the defense is calling it “testimonial” and “unreliable hearsay” and the prosecution is stating, as art tart pointed out, that it is an “excited utterance”. Which IS a big difference. And it sounds like the prosecution is putting is putting on their offense. What were youexpecting? Did you think the prosecution would lie down and do nothing with ALL the evidence, circumstantial or otherwise that they have proving that mother killed her daughter? LOL And just offer a plea? Amazing…
Snarkiness can go both ways.
DJ in the house. We fry that B**&^ yet? chuckles
LindaNY, I agree with your comment, it seems this has NO chance of being ruled in favor of for the Defense, it makes me think the Defense is just “going through the MOTIONS,” their argument, as many in the past, has NO LEGAL MERIT! I read all 9 pages of the PDF, LD Burdick did an excellent job presenting the State’s argument, I bet she named more statutes in that one MOTION than ALL the MOTIONS filed by the Defense combined in the past. I was reading the ruling by Judge P this week & in fact, he noted on one of the MOTIONS he ruled against for the Defense didn’t even site any statutes. THAT should tell the Defense something, but, apparently they will continue to run a muck! jmo.
Phantom nanny, phantom plea! Phantom Baez, what a break, apparently he is OFF this week!
Those 911 calls are bad news for Casey, mainly they demonstrate her great propensity to lie but they show that her greatest supporter, Cindy lies too.
The calls demonstrate:
1. Casey Anthony when confronted by her mother continued to lie about Caylee’s whereabouts and well being.
2. That she had been lying to her mother/family for a whole month about Caylee’s whereabouts and well being.
3. That it took her mother calling the cops on her before she came up with the FIRST
nanny kidnap story involving Sawgrass, apt 210. Even then she was still lyng because within 4 hours of the call Deptuty Charity Beasley would confirm that apartment had been vacant for 142 days.
4. That contrary to Cindys claims Casey thanked her for calling the police.
Casey can be heard asking her mother for another day.
5. The first call lends credence to Cindy threatening to take custody of Caylee ergo empeaches Cindy’s claims that Casey was a great mother and all was well with the world.
6. That Cindy Anthony initially thought the trunk smelled like a dead body, the pizza excuse came later….. publically, around the time of the first bond hearing held June 22nd.
Sheesh
Next on the the defense hit list… sans the Beatles.
Maybe they could argue that Casey needed the huge white sunspecs for her undercover work at various watering holes in Orlando.
jillycomelately, excellent comment! I really be more than surprised if this case makes it to trial, you have listed just a few of the hurdles the Defense will NOT be able to overcome, then explaining away the 31 days, & this is just a start. imo.
TheJBmission: said, on June 10, 2010 at 5:01 pm
“Defense cited them as ‘testimonial’ and included them in a list of ‘unreliable hearsay.’
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It sounds like the defense is putting up a defense. Good job I’d say. What were people expecting? Did they think the defense would lie down and do nothing? LOL And just beg for a plea? Amazing…”
First Hello all, have been on holiday so I am very behind on things.
Now, JB, defense is trying to say it is hearsay because it is second & third party.
This will never fly, for more than one reason, their premise is Cindy gathered the info as a second party and the 911 operator is a third party, honestly this is one of the silliest motions to date, Casey being the first party told her mother Caylee had been taken, so her natural response was to call the police, this can not be parlayed into hearsay, because for Cindy to have been a second party someone other than Casey would have had to tell her,
“Casey told me Caylee was taken” then Cindy would have been hearing “hearsay” from a second party.
Also, if you recall the 911 operator ask Cindy to put Casey on the phone, whereby she herself then told the nanny took my daughter.
Defense’s next stance is Cindy is not an expert on the smell of death.
So her saying “the car smelled like a damn dead body” should not be heard because she is not an expert on the smell of death.
Again this is a huge stretch, I dare say most people know what the smell of death is, rare are the people who have not a few times in their life smelled death in some form, granted not human, but still death, and with Cindy being a nurse, again this is a stretch for them.
Next, they are expressing it was an excited utterance, well sorry, but they can not toss everything into a hat and simply pull one out, and if that does not fly pull out another one.
Add Cindy’s dead body smell in the car with George’s “ You never forget that smell” and “ after a few minutes you could smell the car inside the house” and Lee’s “it hit you like a wave”
all three verify the odor of the car, and Cindy’s statement to 911.
Honestly, the state will not even work up a sweat over this motion.
Dang, some of us bloggers could walk into court and win this one
Hi Judy,
I hope you had a nice holiday. I’m looking forward to mine in a couple of weeks. Welcome back.
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okay, I’m not going to pretend I know alot in the legal realm. This is how I understand it.
Calling 911. Yes, how can I help you. I’d like to report a fire next door. it smell like they were frying chicken and the oil caught on fire.
What has the operator ascertained from my call. The caller was speculating they are frying chicken when in fact, they were frying eggrolls. The fire started from a faulty electrical outlet that was being used by the rice cooker.
Is it fair to consider Cindy had to know what decomp smells like? I don’t know. Being an RN doesn’t mean she’s familiar with this smell and even if she was, it’s only her opinion.
art tart
just a start, exactly, we who have followed the case for nearly 2 years are probably suffering from information overload, the more information that comes out, the less shocked we get. The jury will have approx 4-6 weeks to process an overwhelming amount of incriminating evidence against this young woman. They imo would be hard pressed to find anyone in legal history who lies like her.
And we havent even got to the car yet
JudyPC,
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Also, if you recall the 911 operator ask Cindy to put Casey on the phone, whereby she herself then told the nanny took my daughter.
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This is the only part of the 911 call that should be allowed. I don’t know if a 911 call can be spliced to suit either party. If one part of it is hearsay.
JudyPC,
The only thing I can respond to with personal knowledge is Cindy being an RN doesn’t mean she would be familiar with the smell of death. RN’s usually deal with live patients unless they work in the morgue and I don’t see why the morgue would need a nurse. lol, that’s funny.
The closest I’ve come to decomp odor was a decomposing mouse that ate a hole in my apartment 25yrs ago. He fattened up as he ate the wood and then became stuck in the hole and eventually died. I called the rental office for a week complaining about the smell. It was the worst odor imaginable. Far worst then old blood. This I know and maybe Cindy would know this too.
Two months after the dead mouse was removed, the apartment reeked and I had to move out.
JB’s Mission said, “okay, I’m not going to pretend I know alot in the legal realm.”
Thank you!! End of story!!!!
At an ipromtu presser right after the bond hearing of June 22nd. Cindy Anthony told reporters, she was a “nurse of decomposition”. Right, Ive never heard of such a nurse lol, but those are the words Cindy used. She may have been on meds at the time.
She also told Yuri Mellich during her August 1st interview that she had been to the morgue and that she had smelled dead bodies and burned bodies.
But more importantly imo is the fact that Cindy’s intitial feeling about the smell concurred with Geroge’s, LE’s , the FBI , the guy from the tow yard and two forensic scientists who submitted a report about a dead body being in the trunk of the white pontiac.
Craig, please give thanks to who ever provides the hard copy of the motions on the WFTV site. I notice that the other networks sites just provide a synopsis or the reporters own interpretation of the purpose, or the meaning behind each motion.
Thank you WFTV for providing the facts.
And Nosy Parker,
LOL, not end of Story,
Neither do YOU!!!!
At least I can admit it,
Perhaps you should ask Mr. Sheaffer if you could cut and paste his law degree as your avatar.
LOL
Has anyone smelled a decomposed squirrel? Any decomposed animal?
No, end of story.
Maybe Cindy decided it wasn’t human decomp when she was later told there wasn’t any human DNA in the trunk. So why wouldn’t you she then change her mind.
I’d like proof that Cindy has been in a situation where she actually encountered a dead decaying body.
George? yes Cindy? no oh yeah, IMO
Nosy Parker,
Do you have a law degree in CANADA? Well, maybe you should read the documents. I’m sure you’ll notice this case is in the USA.
Just saying…lol
snark snark
Judy PC said:
Again this is a huge stretch, I dare say most people know what the smell of death is, rare are the people who have not a few times in their life smelled death in some form, granted not human, but still death, and with Cindy being a nurse, again this is a stretch for them.
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JudyPC,
It’s not a STRETCH to say most ppl know what the smell of this is!! I don’t what human decomp smells like. No one in my family does. I’ve never met anyone other than my X boyfriend who was a photographer for the Sheriff’s office. He had horror stories to tell.
Again, RNs ARE NOT used in the morgue. When a patient dies in a hospital they are promptly wheeled to the morgue before any major decomp. I don’t agree with this statement. Sry.
Nurse of Decomposition has got to be one of their best yet. I’d just love to hear that job description. Is she stationed in the refrigerator at the Medical Examiner’s office tending to the needs of the rotting corpses that await Dr. G? She probably kept real busy changing their sheets quite a bit.
theJBmission:
Thanks for the welcome back, next holiday won’t be until Christmas grrrrrr.
Hope you enjoy your’s.
JB, most of us have had the bad luck to wander onto road kill, or some critter that crawed under something and died.
Granted, human decomp is not something everyone is exposed to, but the smell of death is not something that can be mistaken with pizza, or trash.
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OMG I remember the “I’m a nurse of Decomposition” statement and I still can’t figure that one out lol.
Im wondering how a squirell, even two, alledgedly plastered to the FRONT end of a car (refer to Amy Huizengers’s statements and texts) could produce ,questionable stains, adipocere, and the stench of death from the trunk which IIRC , in 1998 Pontiacs is positioned at the back.
Then there’s the little matter of when George drove her car and hit them? I mean wasn’t the poor man recovering from a stroke?
Ofcourse maybe the laws of physics are different in Casey Land .
Really, JB. WHY would Cindy use THAT smell to describe the odor in the car??? ALL have said you never forget that smell once you’ve smelled that. That is the ONLY truthful, uncensored thing Cindy has ever said in this whole mess.
You want proof that Cindy has smelled a dead body before? What more proof is there than when she tells the 911 operator that the car smells like there’s been a dead body in it? HOW ELSE would someone know what a dead body smells like if they have never been in contact with that odor? I suppose you believe the pizza story?
JB, your fried chicken/egg roll thing? Come on. And your story about the dead mouse? Will you ever forget the smell of that dead mouse? So, can you imagine a human body? And the smell that would remain? You disproved your own point.
I believe the jury will hear that 911 call.
Good morning all….once quick comment and then I will be out for awhile. Nurse of decomposition or not….cindy did indeed cite in her interview her specific experiences with corpses and decomposing bodies. By her own words, she was accurately describing what she thought she smelled. But it is a moot point, IMO, as the 911 call was being made in a highly emotional state. It was an excited utterance which is allowed under FL law. If cindy had had time to concoct the story, then it would be out. Since she was excited, it should be allowed in, if I understand the law correctly.
Admittedly, I have no experience with the law. However, I can read and I do have common sense. I think it is in.
I haven’t had time to read the motion but it sounds like the SA is showing the PROGRESSION of the story. It changed from stolen car and stolen money, to possible missing child, to OMG definite missing child and dead body in the car. casey was making things up as she went along and THAT is what the State is going to prove.
As many times as I’ve accidentally run over a wild animal, I’ve never ever had one that managed to get itself plastered to the frame or front end of my car.
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I am listening to the 911 dead body call. If that is not and excited utterance-I don;t kow what is. That is Cindy at her rawest. And if I did not know, what I know now what Cindy Anthony is all about,I would feel very sorry for her. What a stark difference between Cindy’s demeanor and Casey’s.
KC is death bound or prison bound. Either way she will die in prison.
The STATE is deposing John Allen today, I would love to read that deposition. Wonder IF Baez is attending, someone mentioned this might be the week he is off, but of course, IF Baez requests a copy of the depo, it will be made public so we can see it.
theJBmission said, on June 11, 2010 at 5:39 am
And Nosy Parker,
LOL, not end of Story,
Neither do YOU!!!!
At least I can admit it,
Perhaps you should ask Mr. Sheaffer if you could cut and paste his law degree as your avatar.
LOL
Nice comeback. I am still laughing. This place is a riot!
~ScissorLips~
Casey said a couple of dead squirrels got into the car (something to that affect)… I didn’t know that in Florida they have DEAD squirrels that can get into cars and die on command.
~ScissorLips~
Been here 20+ years and not seen animals that have that talent in the Orlando area. Then again, I don’t live in Casey Land…
LOL Morgan…neither have I. I have lived here all my 57 years and that is a new one on me! Even the few birds that have managed to plaster themselves to the front of my vehicle haven’t smelled like a damn dead body!
LNY: I agree…that 911 call was heart wrenching. I knew immediately when I saw casey’s smirk as she was hauled off to jail that she was responsible and that Caylee was most likely dead. I felt NO empathy for casey, but I sure did for cindy. Right up until she changed her story to rotten pizza…..
Y’all can say what you want …. but a few years ago there was a horrible smell in my car — didn’t know why … but after bringing the car in for routine service ,,the mehanic found that a mouse had made a nest in the air filter and died — point it…. never say never …
Caylee and Casey were missing for a month (yes-BOTH according to Cindy’s 911 call). Casey tells Cindy Zanny “took her”. Cindy finds Casey’s car. The car smells like decompostion. Caylee’s bones are found in the woods. She is dead. The police do an investigation. The investigation points to no one but Caylee’s mother. THE CAR SMELLS LIKE A DEAD BODY = Caylee’s dead body was in the car….never say never.
1 =1 = 2.
2 +2 =4.
Yo Hola
I presume you had an alibi
jillycomelately said, on June 11, 2010 at 2:59 pm
LOL – or the mouse left a suicide note….
Morgan said, on June 11, 2010 at 3:10 pm
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jillycomelately said, on June 11, 2010 at 2:59 pm ——————
cute — actually I was mortified and nauseated ..
I smelled a skunk once at a hunting lease & I threw up. They say a decomposing body is worse, I hope I NEVER have to experience the smell. I think if I approached it, I would probably know it.
Ha, art tart. A verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry long time ago I had a horrible hangover and smelled skunk the whole way home after staying at a friends house who gave me a ride home. Stopped several times to throw up. LOL! Hangover + Skunk = Horror!
I want to know where the Nanny was when the mouse allegedly put itself in the air filter. Who else had custody of your car? Was the nest prodded and poked with a wrench by the mechanic? Is the mechanic licensed? Do we have this on video tape?
ThoughtElf said, on June 11, 2010 at 4:55 pm ————- get a grip —- just recounting an experience ……………….
I always feel incredibly sorrowful for folks who lack a sense of humor and take themselves too seriously. Kinda makes you hope that they’ll get a firm grip on the lighter side of life.
Y’all have a really fun day now!
ScissorLips~ said, on June 11, 2010 at 11:05 am
“Casey said a couple of dead squirrels got into the car (something to that affect)… I didn’t know that in Florida they have DEAD squirrels that can get into cars and die on command.”
LOL, not only did these dead squirrels plaster themselves to the frame of the car….
They then crawled into the TRUNK!!
By golly we have some talented squirrels here in Florida.
ThoughtElf said, on June 11, 2010 at 5:30 pm
Yep – I heard that!
The squirrels appear to be more talented than some Defense lawyers. They still seem to be stuck under the wheels.
Crap – have to clean off monitor….thanks Thoughtelf…
Pay back for the suicide note.
Touche!
Yo Hola! said, on June 11, 2010 at 5:14 pm ThoughtElf said, on June 11, 2010 at 4:55 pm ————- get a grip —- just recounting an experience ……………….
Hazaka said, on March 13, 2010 at 3:02 pm Okay ——- been off for a bit ………… any “new” news ???
I thought you didn’t like it here?
WooBabie said, on June 11, 2010 at 6:17 am
Nurse of Decomposition has got to be one of their best yet. I’d just love to hear that job description. Is she stationed in the refrigerator at the Medical Examiner’s office tending to the needs of the rotting corpses that await Dr. G? She probably kept real busy changing their sheets quite a bit.
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LOL, it’s a vision I can’t get out of my mind..funny.
What IF??
Casey ran over a squirrel? Would it’s guts splatter in the wheel well of the car? I wonder when they CSI’ed her car did they find anything? B/c I know they didn’t find any form of human decomp in her trunk, so the odor has to come from somewhere.
If there was something, ANYTHING besides one single suspicious hair presumed to have a death band that would help the State’s case enormously.
How does the State prove how the hair got into the trunk? Did someone else have contact with the deceased child and inadvertently the hair stuck to something that was placed in the trunk. ie: clothing
And judicially thinking, even if Caylee’s remains were in the trunk at some point, how does the State prove who put her there? oops, did I say that?
the JBmission said, on June 12, 2010 at 7:20 am
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The FBI tested the car for signs of squirell…….negative!
Maybe the Prosecutors will have the timerity to suggest it could have been the person who had exclusive custody of the the car till June 27th and failed to report her child missing.
The defense could of course hit back with Squirellgate or maybe aliens did it.
Guess the jury will just have to struggle with that one.
Aren’t there blogs where people can go to if they think Casey is innocent and don’t agree with the evidence that has been released that points to her murdering her child?
the JBmission said, on June 12, 2010 at 7:20 am
If there was something, ANYTHING besides one single suspicious hair presumed to have a death band that would help the State’s case enormously.
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Dont forget the bug guy jb….a habit of yours
those maggots and adpocere came from somewhere.
To me the biggest problem with the “roving dead squirrel story” is the same problem that exists for the “where in the world is Carmen Zanniego story”…it’s how many times Casey told the story, to various people and changed it each time.
I’ll illustrate:
Dad ran over a squirrel.
I found a squirrel plastered to my car.
Okay…if she stopped there (even though Dad didn’t drive her car) her defense would have a chance (of course, it would take Casey getting on the stand to do this!) of letting her clarify the squirrel was plastered to…say…the rear wheel well or under the trunk of the car.
But she didn’t…typical Casey. Nope, we have Lee’s statement that she told him it was not one but two dead crawling squirrels freezing to death in the summer in Florida trying to thaw out…on her engine.
Busted! Jury gets to see the text message from Casey and the statement to Lee and see that this girl is full of crap.
IS there a difference on human decomp smell and animal (squirrel) decomp smell?
OK, I’ve read enough about human decomp after googling human vs animal. Seems human is worse smell (so some say) Also, as we’ve heard it is a smell you never forget and you know exactly what it is when you smell it. So, Cindy was right on target. It smelled like there has been a dead body in the damn car. I don’t think I will be eating till much later today.
One interesting thing is that the smell permeates skin, hair clothing…and decomp stars quickly (24 hours and worse in Florida heat). Did Casey not smell? The 16th to the 30th when the car was abandoned 2 weeks…Casey in her car ALL the time…
LindaNewYork said, on June 12, 2010 at 9:18
IS there a difference on human decomp smell and animal (squirrel) decomp smell?
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Im sure there must be …..how subtle it is or not, I have no idea. Cadaver dogs obviously learn the difference.
AND the gases emitted can be used to distinguish the difference between animal or human.
As for the smell, once the body has been removed, I guess that will vary on many different factors. The rate at which the body decomposed, environment, the amount of fluids, bacteria and fungus that leaked/remained behind and the size of the human.
I guess those folks from the body farm would know.
My bf is a cop and he went to do a well-check on an elderly lady once…when they got there, they found out she’d died on her toilet and had been dead for at least a couple of days. They smelled the decomp before they even got in the front door of the house. He said there is definitely a difference between the smell of human and animal decomp, and it IS a smell that one never forgets.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-death-penalty-motion20100611,0,4889737.story
This is enough to give you a headache! I figured that the Defense would file more MOTIONS on Friday afternoon in which they did.
Mixologist, reading your above comment reminded me of the Jeffery Dahmar case. I could NEVER understand how he murdered those people in his apartment & covered up some of the stench. His neighbors did complain that it smelled bad, but jeeeeeeeez, it must have been horrible.
They’re just trying to make something stick. They know Casey is guilty, and that the state has a strong case, this is why all the motions to get the death penalty removed.
From the article Art linked: (Thanks!)
“fails to narrow the class of death eligible persons in a meaningful way, and thereby allows arbitrary and capricious application of the death penalty.”
Seems to me that Caylee’s murder was arbitrary and capricious. Not to mention heinous.
Back to the dead animal odor.
I read the forensic report, animal decomp does have some of the same chemical makeup as human. I’m not looking at the report now, but IIRC pigs were close.
Could there have been pork in the garbage bag found in the trunk of the car?
Someone else raised a good point too. If the large stain in the trunk was some bodily fluid why didn’t the flies and maggots gravitate to the stain and not the garbage bag?
JBmission:
A pig is the closest match to human decomp and is often used in forensic test as to rate of decomp so forth & so on.
If you read the trunk contents there was no pig in the trunk, you must also take into the equation that saug cooked on a pizza or a piece of meat, would not decomp like a whole animal or human body would, the compounds would be very diff, because different gases would form.
Also, coffin flies were found in the trunk, along with a substance known as grave wax.
Now, for the maggots, (gag) if the stain on the carpet began to dry, and the plastic retained moisture, want to guess where those nasty buggers would rather be?
I treasure every pearl of wisdom from Valhall.
Myrtle beach, I agree, I was reading about “Gas Can George” today. Her insight is remarkable! I laughed when I re-read today GA accusing Jeff Ashton of “trying to confuse him.” LOL! That’s not too hard.
Hi Chat People,
Anyone have the link to the nurse of decomposition? I can’t find it. I know I saw it before, but I must have forgotten to save the link. Please,
~ScissorLips~
Val,
I love the way you write! And I love those suggestions on the decomp and zombie squirrel guts.
You must always have a headache, because your brain is much too large. I wuv ya!
Buddha’s Blessings
~ScissorLips~
Scissor Lips
Here it is….lol and thanks for the reminder, just noticed another lie from Cindy.
She says “That was the worst thing I’VE ever smelled” when talking about the trash.
Cindy NEVER smelled or even saw the trash bag, it was thrown in the dumpster at the tow yard. She never went up to the car when George was dealing with the towyard manager.
She got the pizza box story from George and then it took on a life of its own.
Casey said a couple of dead squirrels got into the car (something to that affect)… I didn’t know that in Florida they have DEAD squirrels that can get into cars and die on command.
~ScissorLips~
What’s your point scissor lips? Get with the program. Sunshine laws. Every sordid detail of this case is open for public consumption.
“Back to the dead animal odor.
I read the forensic report, animal decomp does have some of the same chemical makeup as human. I’m not looking at the report now, but IIRC pigs were close.
Could there have been pork in the garbage bag found in the trunk of the car?
Someone else raised a good point too. If the large stain in the trunk was some bodily fluid why didn’t the flies and maggots gravitate to the stain and not the garbage bag?” said BJ’s Mission.
I’m not loking at the report now either, but I know that pig (pork) is not mistaken for human by scientists. Mistaken by an uneducated and uninformed blogger like JB’s Mission…… yes, very likely.
NosyP,
I don’t know what your problem is, but it would be best to keep it outside the public forum.
I did not address you. I have never addressed you (this one time makes the first and the last). I never will in the future address you. I wish to keep it this way when a person comes off crude and rude.
~ScissorLips~
Thank You Jilly for that link!
~ScissorLips~
Funny Scissors Lips that you absolve yourself of “crude and rude”. Have read my share of your Flip, Deft Comments to many!
imo, Nosy Parker was just pointing out that the information is available to everyone as there was “never an original link” provided for “nurse decomposition.” I looked back myself in this thread myself for ScissorLips to see if there was one. Jilly did mention when it was & the source which made it easy to look up.
Apparently, Jilly came back & provided it for Scissors, which was nice of her to do.
Thanks Jilly, CA is always good for a laugh.
Only two more sleeps until we get to hear decisions on recent motions! The 911 calls being allowed in will be like Christmas.
ThoughtElf, thanks for the reminder! I too can’t wait!
What is the chemical name of coffin wax, does any one know?
http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3581916879/m/75919188201
lots about maggots and grave wax. In the official documents, I can’t find any evidence of coffin wax or grave wax, but I assume it is there then. A piece of rotting pork chop would have given the same result perhaps.
My grandfather had to burry lots of corpses in the war, he said (not to me) the smell reminded him of a butcher shop’s waste. But the human nose is not that good anyway. Not good enough to be 100% proof and send a person to her death. jmo.
Pretty sure there are many, many more reasons KC might possibly be sentenced to death.
I am also absolutely sure that Google would be a great place to begin research on coffin wax. That is, if one was so inclined to actually want to put the effort in to research it and learn about it first hand, rather than relying on anyone else’s interpretations or links.
Kate – it is strange that you have read my “many” flippant comments… I very rarely comment. My first few comments were addressed to Sir Bill Schaefer himself. I am not a regular participant of the comment section – if not for these reasons alone… let’s see how many will jump on this band wagon. Witch hunting is in season. Have fun.
Buddha is Love
~ScissorLips~
Scissor Lips – I used to post here months ago. And to tell you the truth it is not worth it. There are just too many times, that too many people are totally out of control. Find a different blog, it is not worth agruing in the cyber world with cyber bullies. FYI…. I HAVE NOT READ ANYTHING EXCEPT THE LAST POST BY SCISSORS LIPS so I HAVE NO IDEA WHO IS CAUSING PROBLEMS and WHO IS NOT.
WAY TO GO GROUP OF “ADULTS” This is the worst blog on the net because of “some” of the people who are just bullies.
OH WHOA!!! Waste HUGE Waste
Since I have no intention of ever appearing here AGAIN! I just have gone back and read some of the posts. After all this time, I see that the yellow block is still feigning ignorance. Some people are seriously in need of medical intervention. HAVE A GREAT TIME RUINING THIS BLOG. Sometimes I wonder how many people show up here who need to be Baker Acted or have already 5-6 times before. TAKE YOU MEDS YELLOW BOX, AND GO BACK TO TENDING TULIPS!
Thank You Ijog, I do believe you are right, sad to say. There seems to be a group or a “clique” here that are the only ones “allowed” to comment. All others are referred to as “trolls” and the like. The ones who have differing opinions are verbally “beaten up” and ridiculed because of their stance.
I guess you will be tied up next to me on the stake when the wood catches fire and the flames start licking our heels. I can do nothing but laugh. This blog is a joke anyway… I actually thought Sir Bill would be moderating this hell hole. I thought wrong. Egads!
Buddha Sees
~ScissorLips~
mmm. Toasted marshmallows over a roaring fire.
Unfortunaetly for Casey Anthony, “the human nose” is only ONE piece of evidence indicating the presence of a decomposing body in her car trunk. It will not be offered to the jury in isolation.
I’d like to see that pork chop
Hey, we need some applesauce, too.
No matter what singular piece of information gets offered up for specific consideration, JCL’s most recent comment is an apt reminder:
jillycomelately said, on June 14, 2010 at 3:26 am
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None of these isolated snippets of circumstantial or forensic evidence will be presented — or considered by the jury — in isolation. The totality of the evidence will overwhelm any and all ‘unreasonable’ doubts floated out on forums & blogs singularly, as if they are foundation beams & pillars, for consideration.
Just stick another fork in your marshmallow and hope that your blog mates brought along chocolate & graham crackers to make ‘smores, and know that even without the extras, this will toast up just fine. If you stick the fork deep enough into the fire, you can even torch the sweetness.
Isolated examples are still sweet, because they flare up into a mass of gooey, empty calories when exposed to the fiery heat of a justified witch-bonfire. you just have to peel off the burnt crust.
First of all Ina, no one gets put to death based on someones “nose” because all the other forensic evidence must be there as well. Geez. And I suppose you must have heard about coffin wax somewhere and came in here thinking you could pass it off as a intelligent question of your own. Let’s say for just plain hilarity, it was a pork chop that everyone was smelling in Casey’s car. Do you think that one little pork chop would create the stench described? Perhaps maybe a full grown sow in the trunk. But not one little tiny piece of meat. No way could it produce the same “level” of odour. I grew up on a farm and have first hand nose tested smelly experience to base that statement on. I worked on a pig farm. A farrowing operation. (Ina look up farrowing). Obviously animals die or are shot for various reasons (done it myself) so you learn what the smell of death is like based on one or two animals at a time before they are disposed of. Then one night there was a fire in one of the barns. Out of 500 animals we managed to get 60 out. The rest perished(I’ve heard all the jokes, thanks). SO, imagine if you will the stench that started to permeate out of the ruins after a few days. Suffice to say QUITE a bit different than just a couple of pigs. Conclusion. One, even two, pork chops will not produce the same level of decomposition stench that a human body would. You could even go further and assume most of the meat on the chops had already been consumed so even makes it less plausible.
Beast, I suppose you never read any of the early articles in here, this was discussed a long time ago, but I never saw anything about coffin wax that was proof, real evidence that Caylee’s dead body was ever in the car, just some blogger fabrications which are not interesting. So I would like to know the chemical name or formula of the stuff, like parafine wax has, and try to find it in the published docs. Why is that reason to get your dander up?
I am here to ask questions, not to pretend I know what happened. So what.
Yellow Boxes? Can someone translate that for me please?
Buddha is Love
~ScissorLips~
Maybe it was a dead alien instead of a pork chop! Maybe it was the one armed man. Maybe it was REALLY vanderslut on a trip to the US after he murdered Natalie but before he murdered the Peruvian girl. Or maybe it was a dead body but it was not Caylee …..someone put it in, took it out, put it in the backyard, etc, etc. Maybe LE dumped a container of liquified decomp in casey’s trunk to frame her! Maybe INA did it and now feels guilty for doing so and is doing everything in her power to make sure casey doesn’t die for a crime INA committed!
Maybe casey was honing her skills as a meat cutter and decided to butcher a sow in the trunk….I ask then…..where is the skeletonized carcass?
Adipocere aka GRAVE wax has been discussed many times at this and various blogs.
Coffin wax is unlikely to feature in this case……it HASN’T so far
What the feck is it anyway……… an funeral director’s's best friend? , along with the shake and vac
Is it like ear wax? Q-tip will take care of that. Wife always says I need to clean it out cause I don’t hear her. Ya, thats it. *grin
LOL@this morning’s comments about the pork chop…made me giggle!
ThoughtElf, the 17th hearing has been rescheduled::
The hearing originally scheduled for June 17 has been rescheduled for July 15 at 2:00pm. Also, a status hearing is scheduled for June 21 at 1:30pm. Casey will not be attending the status hearing.
http://www.wftv.com/news/23858120/detail.html
ScissorLips, I enjoy your contribution to this blog & wish you posted more, I started actively posting a couple of months ago here & I enjoy the contributions & exchanges of most. I have noticed that the two or three that show up to make trouble, act ignorant, consistently argue about known facts that most know, have been BANNED from other BLOGS for that very reason.
Just imagine, having a reputation that proceeds a BLOGGER in CyberSpace, but, I have observed the same behaviors here as I have already seen their behaviors & the explanations as to WHY they were banned on other blogs. They just drug their baggage here. Where there is moderation, they have been able to get rid “of those that create havoc by banning them,” unfortunately, this blog does not have a moderator. I wish everyone would IGNORE those that make trouble, & allow the discussion to continue for those interested in the case. Trying to reason with them has shown to be “non constructive.”
OFF TOPIC: Mellisa Huckaby, the nurderer of little Sandra Cantu was in COURT today, she plead GUILTY & is receiving LWOP instead of taking her chances in Court with the DP on the table.
Art,
Thanks very much for the update.
Adipocere : thanks, I ,looked it uo, bit no such luck in the official evidence docs. Perhaps I just missed it? Has anyone found it? Or is it just not there?
I meant up & but
typos
Thanks Art…I hope it is LWOP and she cannot even be considered for parole. I agree Art..ignoring seems to be the most effective thing, but sheesh….after awhile, some of us get sick of being consistently bashed and berated! I try, I try!
I just wish others would not allow those jaundiced beings to run them away. LOL
Adipocere found in trunk is not blogger fodder, it was found and is listed in the case documents, check released doc’s Nov – 09.
Forensic Trail To Connect Anthony To Remains, 3 Key Pieces Of Evidence
In a report from the “body farm” in Tennessee, Dr. Arpad Vass found a substance called “adipocere,” which is commonly referred to as “grave wax” on paper towels recovered from a trash bag inside Anthony’s car trunk.
That dark, flaky substance he said comes from decomposing fatty tissues in humans and pigs.
entomologist Neil Haskell found coffin flies on the paper towels and inside Anthony’s car trunk. He concluded someone wiped up decomposition fluids in the trunk.
FBI lab finding that hairs recovered from Caylee Anthony’s skull and to the single strand with the so-called death band recovered from the trunk.
The FBI report said they exhibit the “the same microscopic characteristics” and are “consistent with originating from the same source.”
While that FBI report states the hairs do not constitute a basis for absolute personal identification, it can be argued the hair from a dead body inside Anthony’s trunk matches strands from Caylee’s skull.
Haskell also concluded that from the colonization of coffin flies at the scene, Caylee’s remains were dumped there as early as late June. Combine that with evidence of “grave wax” from the towels and matching hairs from the scene and trunk, it appears to be a forensic trail leading right back to Casey Anthony, the source said.
Hope this helps clear it up for everyone.
Adipocere forms within a month of death due to absence of air, also women, children, and overweight persons are more prone to adipocere simply because their body’s contain more fatty tissue.
I have a feeling a pork chop is about to become a mixed grill.
Never mind the FACT there was NO foodstuffs or squirell stew found in that bag of trash
or anywhere in or outside of the death mobile.
Details….
LOL…Judy you had to bring up the dead sow again! Now we are back to casey the butcher!
No it isn’t blog fodder…I have also read that but I don’t remember where and I certainly am not going to search for it. If she can’t find it …that’s too bad, she must search more carefully or believe whatever she wants. It will only come up again in a few weeks resulting in more time consuming searches that are not being done by the one wanting the information. I have better things to do myself.
Good to see ya Judy! Are you enjoying this lovely summer weather? Maybe I’ll go buy a few pizzas and throw them in the trunk….Uh Oh…I don’t have a trunk! LOL
Jilly lol those silly little details never seem to stop some folks, I promise before it is over she will have been having a pig roast in her trunk, had a piggy on a spick with an apple in his piggy mouth, don’t ask about her “special sauce”
yes that was my evil side rearing its evil little head….. hummmm must be the heat, yea thats it, the heat….
Hey Frankie, it is 103 in the shade here AGAIN today, so I am sticking close to the AC.
Just came off holiday and still have not gotten back into the swing of things.
OMG!!! go get yourself a trunk for goodness sake how are you going to do these test without a trunk?
LMAO.
Why am I craving lamb kebabs now? Medium rare.
Thanks Judy. I found this: “In a report from the so-called “body farm” in Tennessee, Dr. Arpad Vass found a substance called “adipocere,” which is commonly referred to as “grave wax” on paper towels recovered from a trash bag inside Anthony’s car trunk. That dark, flaky substance he said comes from decomposing fatty tissues in humans and pigs. ”
And pigs. So in fact that could have been from a piece of rotting raw pork. I suppose that is not the evidence you meant, as it doesn’t say it was from a human. The doc of 1400 pages it self is too much to open.
It says there it was in a trash bag. My guess: a forgotten pork from a fridge. Didn’t she live with a boy friend? She prob. did some cleaning?
Is there no way to determine if it was human or animal?
A scientific way I mean, not a blog poll lol.
See Jilly what did I tell you lol.
A spare piece of pork would not have done the trick Ina, would have to have been the whole hog, those gases have to build up, melt together, from the inside, then ooze from the body, that mixture forms the wax. ( sorry for those weak tummies, egads think I will have salads for the rest of my life)
And may I have you back up to ” jillycomelately said, on June 14, 2010 at 12:45 pm”
“Never mind the FACT there was NO foodstuffs or squirell stew found in that bag of trash
or anywhere in or outside of the death mobile.”
This too is backed up in the documents.
No pork chops, No Saug, No Bacon, No Brats, Nadda, nothing, zip, zero.
There comes a point in time when riding the merry go round that all you can do is laugh, and enjoy the ride round & round.
Arguing about it is pointless. Just enjoy it for what it is worth. Just another spin round the playground. It helps a great deal if you imagine that the merry go round is a great big wheel of Justice. Round & round & round it goes, where it stops, we all know.
judypc said, on June 14, 2010 at 1:10 pm
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The MO never changes and that’s what singles out the orange one as a GENUINE paid up member of Trolldum.
As for the minority that might actually feel this girl is innocent of this crime, how refreshing it would be if just once they could point to one fact, event or statement
that would tend to exonerate this young woman.
Im sure that idea will not be lost on the jury.
ThoughtElf:
LOL veggie plater for me please.
Now turned against piggies for sure.
Told you so snicker, snicker, snicker!!
jillycomelately said, on June 14, 2010 at 1:44 pm Agreed. Those poor souls are lost. They can never find one thing that even remotely stands up to scrutiny.
jilly
It would be refreshing if someone could point out something, and then show us how anyone else in the world could have done this.
(1) Casey was the one person who last had care, custody, and control of her daughter.
(2) It was her car, driven exclusively by her.
(3) It was Casey who did not report her daughter missing.
(4) It was Casey who had access to all the items found with the body.
(5) Casey had access to the duct tape.
(6) Casey used the computers.
(7) Casey lied about everything in regard to her missing daughter.
(8) Casey partied for 30 days.
(9) Casey dumped the car.
(10) Casey can not show one phone number for the women who had kept her child every day, for almost 2 years.
(11) Not one photo of Caylee with the nanny that she was with more than family.
Need I go on?
The list is endless.
Judy pc, we have no idea what was in the bag before it was put in the car. The rotted meat could have been taken out? I fail to see the funny part, accept that this means there hasn’t been anything new in the evidence since the first time it came up, and there is still no evidence of a dead HUMAN body having been in that car? Oh well what ever turns you on I suppose. The way some people write about that wax, I thoiught there was evidence. I should have known lol.
I think no one will be any wiser this way and Caylee Anthony’s death will always be an onsolved mystery. Must go party now, I am so sorry to miss your replies.
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And that list of random Casey stuff is NO evidence of a murder !
Judy & the rest, you guys have had me laughing every time I refresh. I want to call PETA. They’d surely figure out if there were any pork products abused.
I hope no one finds the lightheartedness offensive. It’s just good to blow off a little steam between doc dumps, motions and hearings. I know how deeply caring and committed most are. You’ve done the research, stated the facts (far more often than I can be bothered to, that’s for sure,) and you’ve carefully and consistently reviewed all alternative theories. Making your conclusions all the more weighty. Back up with facts.
All for CAYLEE’s sake. Not Ms Piggy’s. (sorry, couldn’t resist.)
I really think we all need to get vuvuzelas for the trial.
Ina I would be willing to bet there was not a whold pig in that bag.
Which it would have had to have been for the chemical compounds found in that trunk.
If you are going to “suppose” at least do so with something believable.
ThoughtElf:
OMG PETA!!
Now they could solve the whole thing PDQ.
lol for sure we are gonn’a need something to keep our heads from exploding when we finally get to trial, EGADS MATE what are we gonna do?
Wellllll.……. There are shirtless lawn men running around in my neighbors yard, sooooo unless someone is Extremely interesting enough to hold my attention…… (care to guess where I will be?)
Well, we could amuse ourselves with:
* StoryTime
http://www.threelittlepigs.ca/book/1735-f2-three-little-pigs
* Activities
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/stories/fairytale/threelittlepigs/
Wait for me. I need to come over to return that whatchamacallit I borrowed last week.
List of random stuff
Jeez she was endicted on less. Trollism at its most desperate.
judy/frankie
I dont imagine even Baez will argue the phantom porker “that got away” as well as the phantom babysitter.
judypc said, on June 14, 2010 at 2:16 pm
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Go get em girl.
ThoughtElf said, on June 14, 2010 at 2:02 pm
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Yes TE I think the ones that do a dis-service to Caylee are the ones who perpetuate
absolute nonsense about her senseless and cruel murder.
And may I suggest a Mariachi band plus the vuvuzelas. :iwink:
I gave a whole list of theories that are at least as likely as a pork chop:
Maybe it was a dead alien instead of a pork chop!
Maybe it was the one armed man.
Maybe it was REALLY vanderslut on a trip to the US after he murdered Natalie but before he murdered the Peruvian girl.
Or maybe it was a dead body but it was not Caylee …..someone put it in, took it out, put it in the backyard, etc, etc.
Maybe LE dumped a container of liquified decomp in casey’s trunk to frame her!
Maybe casey was honing her skills as a meat cutter and decided to butcher a sow in the trunk….I ask then…..where is the skeletonized carcass?
Maybe INA did it and now feels guilty for doing so and is doing everything in her power to make sure casey doesn’t die for a crime INA committed!
Take your pick….they all have as much evidence to em up as the pork chop theory! LOL
Ahhhh, sippin ice cold lemonade out on my veranda , I do declare, I just might have me a case of the vapors, its just shocking, half naked men running around all sweaty, muscles flexing and such.
I just don’t know what a little ol southern lady is gonna do about all this, debauchery I tell you, it is shameless debauchery!!
Now Thoughtelf, don’t you worry yourself about that ol whatchamacallit, omg girl they just turned on the sprinklers and those dirty ol fellows are just getting all wet, shameless it is.
Why I just might have to go over there and give that neighbor of mine a good long talkin to.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm….How far is it to your neck of the woods from here…couple of hours? Are they coming back tomorrow? LOL
OMG Frankie can’t you just see Team Casey unwrapping “THE PORK CHOP THEORY!!”
in court.
Ladies And Gentlemen of the jury, what we have here is a grade A prime center cut pork chop, now if you take this here pork chop and toss it in your trunk for 31 days while you go party, just what do you think you might have on day 32 when you pop that trunk open?
Anyone have an ol junk heap setting out in the Florida heat?
Well if you do, would you mind to go toss a pork chop in a plastic bag and then toss that in the trunk, see if you end up with grave wax, & coffin flies after 31 days.
Also, tell us if it smells like a dead body in the damn car.
I say toss Cindy in the trunk for 31 days, and ask her if she smells like squirrel.
No matter what gets posted today, it just seems to keep whetting (and wetting) my appetite.
Ok, can’t resist a contest question. I’ll guess on day 32 when you open the trunk you will have PIZZA!
FTW!
Later y’all – have a most… interesting rest of the day.
Have a good one TE! Oh and I’lm on tonight drop by
Alrighty then lets just poll the viewers shall we?
You left your pork chop in a bag in your trunk.
In a few days, said pork chop is making its self known.
Now, would you?
(a) dig through the nasty bag and take out ONLY the pork chop, leaving the rest of the ick there in the trunk?
OR
(b) while holding your breath, grab the bag and toss the whole thing as quickly as possible?
THEN
Would you?
(a) tell everyone you had a dead squirrel.
OR
(b) 31 day old pizza.
Judy, Judy, Judy…you forgot to put a little chloroform, Arm and Hammer, empty pizza boxes, beer cans and coke cans……You are going to have to review the educational video for george’s recipe for making the trunk smell like there’s been a damn dead body in there….although you do have the correct time of year and the correct temperatures! It will be June 16 in two days….The 2nd anniversary of Caylee’s death. It will be 23months since cindy reported her “missing”.
ThoughtElf & Beast
Those were GOOD ones!!!
Well, Frankie I loaned my copy of George’s educational video to ThoughtElf and she did not make it over today to return it.
I thought about it being Fathers day and I wondered if any of the A’s would have a thought about that baby girl and what happened to her.
Oddly, we have a tropical thing building up steam out there and I thought about all the similarities the heat, the humidity, and a tropical storm taking form, all around the same time.
Beastie. Will try to remember. I always forget until after 11:00ish. Home at 9:00 so I’ll do my best.
Good point Judy. We’re coming close to the pivotal 15-16th time frame. When I get back, I’ll have to review the time line for the 14th.
ugh.
TE Im going to split the night up and do Rock Mondays, lovers&and Dance Wednesdays and &0′s Fridays, see how that goes.
lol….70′s
Is the orange one STILL talkin ’bout a pork chop??? in the trunk?
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Judy-you are VERY funny today. My lawn guys are NOT as interesting as yours. But your PORK CHOP THEORY….
You all make me LMAO! Been catching up with you guys, seems to have worked great to ignore the problem! Isn’t it ironic, JIMMY DEAN, the Sausage King died today, LOL, really!
UPDATE ON THE CIVIL TRIAL:
Judge Jose Rodriguez has set a three-week trail docket beginning Aug. 29, 2011, in the civil case against Casey Anthony.
The move means the trial will begin sometime from late August until mid-September of next year, which would be shortly after the conclusion of Anthony’s murder trial, if it proceeds as scheduled on May 9, 2011.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/23896906/detail.html
Well, this sucks, I was really looking forward to hearing the answers to questions of CA & GA BEFORE the MURDER Trial as promised.
LindaNewYork:
drats!!
They were my neighbors lawn guys, (groan)
I will have to get their number from him
Hey… always heard it does not hurt to LOOK!! just no touch DOUBLE DRATS!!
Looks like I may have a veranda full next Monday with Frankie & ThoughtElf stopping by to view the lawns in my neighborhood. lol
art tart, Now that is funny. The sausage king. (NOT funny that died but—Well, you know what I mean haha)
Yes everyone was pretty funny. At least the orange’s comments can bring on funny comments in this slow period of The Caylee Anthony Murder Trial.
Time to watch some TV nonsense: Real Housewives Reunion. LOL!
Judy, I’m coming too..I will just tell my husband I am going out for just a sec…
Ah…I must of missed it–should that pork chop be cooked or uncooked before roasting in the trunk?
OMG!!!!!!! GA & CA make appearance on GOOD MORNING AMERICA TUESDAY!!!!!!!
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/?p=16614
The Anthonys were flown to New York for the interview, which was taped Friday and conducted by Ashleigh Banfield of ABC News. Banfield was free to ask anything she wanted, an ABC News spokeswoman said.
The spokeswoman said the network did not license any new photos or videos for the “GMA” interview, and that information will be disclosed on Tuesday’s show.
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I for one WANT to know HOW much they are being $$$$$$$$$ or, is it just fun for them to fly to New York, I mean it’s not like they have jobs to go to, swim in the hotel pool, TRY to illicit sympathy for KC, & charge food to room service~!~ I HOPE they ask COMPETENT questions & NOT BORE US with the SOFT interview. Just sayin……….
LindaNewYork, LOL! I just read your comment at Hal’s & laughed. YEP! You could have been on the “welcoming committee!” LOL!
Beast? If you are around – send me the other link – with chat. I have live365 up.
So, I wonder how the crab puffs are in NY?
Art, don’t worry too much about the civil case being rescheduled until after the trial. I think Morgan & Team have already greatly assisted in KC’s prosecution, because the A’s depos are already on record.
ABC OWES us a good interview…no softies this time. After all, they have already greatly assisted in the skanks defense! Now we should get quid pro quo so to speak..LOL Come on ABC…you make your revenues from we the people not those broke azzez!
Really…does anyone think this is going to be a real interview?
Frankie: NO!
I gave a whole list of theories that are at least as likely as a pork chop:
Maybe it was a dead alien instead of a pork chop!
Maybe it was the one armed man.
Maybe it was REALLY vanderslut on a trip to the US after he murdered Natalie but before he murdered the Peruvian girl.
Or maybe it was a dead body but it was not Caylee …..someone put it in, took it out, put it in the backyard, etc, etc.
Maybe LE dumped a container of liquified decomp in casey’s trunk to frame her!
Maybe casey was honing her skills as a meat cutter and decided to butcher a sow in the trunk….I ask then…..where is the skeletonized carcass?
Maybe INA did it and now feels guilty for doing so and is doing everything in her power to make sure casey doesn’t die for a crime INA committed!
Take your pick….they all have as much evidence to em up as the pork chop theory! LOL
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What ignorant person posted this? Oh..LOL Never mind.
I hope Cindy and George Anthony make lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of cash every time they make a public appearance. They deserve it for all they have to put up with.
When you’re wrongly hated by hate filled people God tends to make things easier for you. It’s just karma.
ABC has a long way to go to save face, but I really doubt it will happen on GMA.
This will be yet another soft serve, poor Cindy & George, Poor Casey, yada yada yada.
Information will be disclosed on Tuesday’s show, that in its self makes me laugh, maybe they are going to disclose the real deal made with Jose’, but I bet it will be more along the lines of, ABC was innocent of any under the table deals, and they “NEVER” pay for stories, ya think maybe this time the house payment will get paid?
or have they figured out a way to make the tax payers pay that bill too?
My money is on us tax payers.
I for one will not tune into their dog & pony show, will not let ABC have the extra rating, they can have their Anthony’s and can stick them way up somewhere very painful and private.
Judy pc, we have no idea what was in the bag before it was put in the car. The rotted meat could have been taken out? I fail to see the funny part, accept that this means there hasn’t been anything new in the evidence since the first time it came up, and there is still no evidence of a dead HUMAN body having been in that car? Oh well what ever turns you on I suppose. The way some people write about that wax, I thoiught there was evidence. I should have known lol.
I think no one will be any wiser this way and Caylee Anthony’s death will always be an onsolved mystery. Must go party now, I am so sorry to miss your replies.
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Hello Ina,
I’m not laughing at you. You are right. There isn’t any new evidence. It’s still the same. Even if they find that a body was in the trunk, they still have to prove who put it there. Jesse Grund had a key to Casey’s car too and Tony Lazarro had access to her car too. Not to mention any one of her friends.
They’re going to have to prove Caylee’s body was there before July 15th too. It’s going to be a very interesting case. I hope you’re still around when the trial starts.
By the way, It’s good to have feed back from someone outside the USA. Thank you and I’m sorry for the ignorance you have to endure.
JB:
Wonder who is hurting more right now, the Anthony’s or the people of the Gulf Coast that have lost their life lines to care for their family’s?
Or the 50+ people killed in the flash flood that raged through AK.?
Do you think maybe they could have used some of those big ABC bucks for their families?
I live in New Orleans Judy. I still don’t think that’s a reason to be cruel. It’s like comparing apples and oranges.
JB:
Where did you get the info that “Jesse Grund had a key to Casey’s car”
And honestly, do you really think Jesse or Tony could have murdered Caylee & put her body in the trunk and Casey drove around without ever looking in that trunk?
You speak of my ignorance, because I chuckled at the pork chop sillyness and gave the document that proved the grave wax & coffin flies, plus it was pointed out in the documents that there was NO food items in that trunk, and you counter with Tony & Jesse.
Please, I have come to expect better from you, I never deemed you to be one for foolishness such as this.
the jbmission said, on June 14, 2010 at 10:01 pm
Save some of that sympathy for the innocent people Cindy Anthony accused of being involved in this case.
Go ask Jesse Grund and his family how it feels to be portrayed as a family of satanists that possibly took Caylee for some satanic ritual. Ask Amy Huizenger and Riccardo how they felt when Cindy decoded her daughter’s “clues”
and implicated
two kids she didnt know. And on what grounds…well Riccardo was quiet and sweaty and didnt take any fliers with him. Amy totalled her car, so she could be Zanny.
The Anthonys particularly, Cindy helped create the circus. 6 days in and she was accusing LE of not doing their job. Actually, they were simply going where the evidence took them.
And why have they lied about SO many things?
Karma works both ways.
imo, I think Ashley Banfield will do the SOFT interview, yea, KARMA will certainly take care of the Anthony’s, not many doubt that they will get exactly what they have given. ANY DAY now, they can demand the murderer of Caylee be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, after all, they have bilked Caylee’s tragedy for every single dime they can. Only in America can you sell the memories of your grandchild & live off the proceeds while whining your daughter is innocent of the murder in ANY interview you can BILK another dime from. OH~!!~ I forgot, they KNOW WHO MURDERED Caylee!
YEP! They say Karma’s a bitch with a long memory, for all the lying they’ve done on KC’s behalf, they have ONLY dug a deeper hole for the defense, only made themselves more desperate, only made themselves GREAT State witnesses, they will show they were willing to do anything for KC, even lie at their murdered Grand daughter’s expense. The jurors will also see what they haven’t done for Caylee, NOTHING! The STATE will do the Grandparent’s job in getting the Justice Caylee deserves. It certainly WON’T be from these grand parent’s! Yep I agree JB, KARMA will take care of the Anthony’s.
STILL waiting for them to STAND UP for Caylee! I certainly HOPE A Banfield ASK the Anthony’s IF they are going to BILK Caylee’s tragedy for the rest of their lives or IF they EVER plan on going back to work & making an honest living like the rest of America. Caylee has supported them long enough & how ironic, Caylee’s memories provided Baez with over $200,000.00 from ABC, their host network tomorrow.
I hope Ashley ask them about the S S Caylee Marie, how is the fishing? WHAT a waste of money for the ANT’s personal use! imo, they will claim they are NOT being paid for the interview, but, imo, the money will find its way into the Caylee Foundation for them to draw out. STILL WAITING for the Tax information on that NON – NON Profit. LOL! Many ARE waiting for that same information! They will NOT SKATE on NOT reporting this information, they are JUST being held accountable like every other non profit organization in the State of Fla.
ThoughtElf, I too think J Morgan & Company have greatly assisted the STATE.
JB Mission: I WOULD BE CAREFUL calling anyone ignorant! YEP! KARMA! Your comments, are as always, just your opinion which you NEVER state, very few feel as you do that I have EVER read anywhere, well maybe INA, of anyone singing the ANT’s praises. IMO, you are absolutely wrong when you say, “Hated by Hate filled people!” NO JB, the public doesn’t hate the Ant’s, they find them disgusting & self absorbed just like their daughter, the public sees exactly where KC gets her characteristics: lying, controlling, & self absorbed. The public just wants these grandparent’s to Stand up for Caylee, the ONLY VICTIM, in this case. The spineless couple have REFUSED TO DO SO, so you are exactly correct about KARMA, she will take care of the JUSTICE for Caylee Marie, certainly not these self absorbed grandparent’s. It’s not hate JB, it’s just the facts. Grandparent’s that love their grand children can’t relate to these two, but who can? Well, you and INA I guess.
jillycomelately..ITA. Even the old adage of “desperate times call for desperate measures” does not account for the audacity of the anthonys in their attempt to implicate the other young people around casey. Jesse’s, Ricardo’s, the Tony’s and Amy’s only mistake was allowing themselves to become friendly to evil casey.
frankie
I had great sympathy for the Anthonys until I saw how ruthless Cindy Anthony really was.
Her sense of entitlement , telling people to get off their ass and look for her grandhcild. All the while her daughter sat in jail after lying to police and they were now to work out her f*cking clues.
So now that the squirell crapola has been debunked and exposed as just another Casey whopper. I guess we are on to the phantom side of meat that was in the bag and then taken out.
Having to resort to absurdities is the norm with those who just simply refuse to debate ALL the evidence , in its totality, the way a jury will most certainly do.
If someone wants their contribution to be taken seriously then ffs….throw us a bone …. give one fact or piece of evidence that points to this girl’s innocence.
They just simply can’t…that is the problem. Some just ask the same question over and over and every time someone else bothers to go dig up the information, they simply ignore it and claim they cannot find it so it must not be true! I thought possibly a tongue in cheek comment might help point out the absurdity of the theory, but, alas, I was just called ignorant. Funny that some are allowed to call others names, but some have been banned for lesser offense. Wonder why that is? Oh well, it is what it is I guess.
cindy is truly a rotten person, IMO. I would like to think that I would not trash another young person just because my offspring was behaving badly. Those remarks did nothing to help casey and have caused other people great angst. Not just the named individuals, but their families as well. I think Amy has children and the anthonys have exposed those children to this filth as well. What a sad situation and all these lives ruined because of one selfish little twit.
I too had great sympathy when I heard those 911 calls. That changed for me when I heard the “pizza” and then cindy really took off! I no longer have ANY sympathy for them. They are in it for the $$$$ now. Sadly enough, I think they aren’t so concerned for dear casey’s welfare as they are about their own financial well being.
hey jilly & frankie, I too was appalled at CA screaming for “other’s to get off their asses & look for her grandchild in addition to the ass she made of herself with Tim Miller, her 10 minute phone rant. It was re-released about 8 or 9 months ago on one of the blogs. Just appalling. CA & GA imo, KNEW Caylee was dead was she was creating so much “drama.”
I resent the classification of “Anthony Hater’s because I don’t think anyone hates the Ant.’s, well there could be a few. LOL! imo, most of us have seen how ruthless GA & CA have been at Caylee’s expense & all for KC. Jilly, too, their “entitlement attitude” is exactly correct, they thought they were ENTITLED to NOT pay their mortgage, CA even blaming BANK of America because she didn’t pay her mortgage. What an idiot! To think CA thinks she is so smart! Well, the joke was on her. They were entitled to take a cruise, get tattoos, being flippant with the Orlando Media when they said they needed a vacation from the media. Hal B. even ask, “Is it because they weren’t being paid by Orlando media?” This entitlement that KC is entitled to a FREE defense has also angered many people. Just wait! When this trial is over, KC will have just what she is really entitled to, “a public defender,” the ANT’s hopefully will go back to work & quit interjecting themselves in our faces. They certainly haven’t done anything to seek JUSTICE for Caylee.
theJBmission said, on June 14, 2010 at 10:01 pm
I hope Cindy and George Anthony make lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of cash every time they make a public appearance. They deserve it for all they have to put up with.
When you’re wrongly hated by hate filled people God tends to make things easier for you. It’s just karma.
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If cash can replace a grandchild, then more power to them. I disagree that they deserve anything other than the hell they have created for themselves with their lies, but that is just me. Speaking from experience, no amount of money, especially the paltry sum these idiots have gotten, could replace one moment to tell my grandchild that I love him and just one more sweet hug, but again that is just me. You are free to hold any belief you wish as that speaks to your nature not mine.
I also disagree that they are “wrongly” hated. Maybe we should ask Tim Miller how he feels about the anthonys. Maybe we should ask a lady that I know who left a sick husband at home to go and search for Caylee. She was not even offered a bottle of donated water by the anthonys. Maybe we should ask the protesters that were assaulted by the anthonys….really, a hammer, to a little old lady? Maybe we should ask any number of parents whose children were put in harms way when the anthonys had another “Caylee” sighting. Maybe we should ask all the LEO’s who worked so diligently on this heartbreaking case only to be berated by the anthonys. Maybe we should ask those young people whose lives have been disrupted and who have been forced to hire attorneys to protect themselves from the onslaught of the anthonys. Before I agree that they are “wrongly” hated, I would like to hear from these people.
jilly and arttart: I was flabbergasted when I heard her say LE needed to figure out the clues casey was given them! Honestly, I rewound that one because I was sure I had not heard that right. Giving them clues…WHAT…her child was missing! I wasn’t a flicking game of 20 questions! Just tell them what you know…sheesh. The truth was right there…she wasn’t going to cooperate and tell them anything, because she knew she had killed the baby.
Although we were taught that hating someone is wrong, I think many hate the anthonys.
merriam-webster
1 a : intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury b : extreme dislike or antipathy
I try not to hate anyone, but I find that lofty principle hard to attain when I think of the anthonys.
art tart
One thing is certain, the Anthonys will never have peace. That only comes with acceptance of the truth. They might make a buck but NEVER will they become child advocates.
Each time they try and inject themselves into a missing child case they are emabarrassingly asked to butt out. People see them for the liars they are, ergo not fit to carry any banner for children.
As for their daughter, its obvious after almost 2 yers that there is no credible defense.
If she were to walk on a technicality, that doesnt make her innocent.
Imo left to a jury of her peers, she will go the way of Huckaby and spend eternity in prison.
What was appalling too was that CA WOULDN’T give Tim Miller a piece of Caylee’s clothing for the “scent.” Just unfreakin believable! Tim Miller wasn’t fooled by CA’s controlling behavior & said so in many interviews as well as KC’s behavior being shocking, not like ANY mother of a missing child he had searched for. TM was furious at the lack of information he was able to get from the family, even being told by Baez that he COULDN’T ask KC any questions. WE ALL KNEW Caylee was dead, so did they but they certainly ALLOWED all the resources to go into the efforts by so many to find little Caylee!
CA is a real hater, she hates LOTS of people, especially anyone that tells the truth about what was going on in her house when everyone was frantically looking for Caylee, EXCEPT the Anthony’s. Legal Analyst have said that this case became sensational because of the family of KC “playing to the media at every opportunity, & KC’s attorney Bae, & the release of the Jail Videos.” I am so glad Baez has FINALLY shut up! Well, I said that about the Ant’s too but I guess they just COULDN’T turn down the money!
WHY are they newsworthy? THEY AREN’T! This is yet another venue to proclaim KC is innocent, blah, blah, blah, blah! It is ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY with this family, & NOT about Caylee!
frankie said, on June 15, 2010 at 12:04 am
The truth was right there…she wasn’t going to cooperate and tell them anything, because she knew she had killed the baby.
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Whats the betting 12 average joes will agree with you frankie. Hope Jeff Ashton deals with the “clues” when he has the FBI guy on the stand.
Cindy and George will be huge liabilities come trial. Its all on tape.
Gnite all
Good night jilly & frankie, I agree with your comments!
I really don’t care how the Grund’s feel. They’re feelings can’t be compared with the Anthony family. I’m sure the Grund’s wouldn’t want to change places with the Anthony’s.
BTW, have any of you read about Richard Grund’s past religious practices? He’s creepy. It seems which ever way he believes, whether it’s pagan or Christianity, he’s fanatic. His son is a little theatrical too. IMO, they’re weird. I’m not trying to start a discussion about the Grunds, but since it’s okay to talk about how weird the Anthony’s are, why not. Right?
Anyway, there’s more to this case than we know. It’s not cut and tried. Considering there’s no physical evidence that points to Casey alone, I’ll continue to sit on the fence and wait until the trial starts, when I hear the real evidence.
Judy pc: what chemical compounds?
JBmission: “Considering there’s no physical evidence that points to Casey alone” Exactly.
Oh Goody Goody! The A’s are doing another interview! It’s about time! I really have missed them. This case is slow right now and laughing at those idiots AGAIN will give us something to do. I got a family pack of pork chops that says the interview will be another puke fest. Any takers? LOL Hard interview my azz! I hope I’m wrong.
Ina and JB~If you two want to be taken seriously you should cut the sarcasm. Your responses only prove your motives. hmmmm
jbmission said, on June 15, 2010 at 12:56 am
You call that sitting on the fence….LOL
As for weird religious practices, that is neither here nor there as the Grunds didnt lie about anything and have absolutely nothing to do with Caylee’s murder. At least thats what OCSD, FDLE and the FBI believe. You condone innocent people being trashed by the Anthonys because, as you say….. it doesnt compare to what THEY have been through. Some logic and about as pathetic justification as your phantom pork and squirell what ifs. And I suppose lying is another character trait you admire.
No jb you are creepy because once again you cannot point to one single thing that points to this girl’s innocence. You merely are trying to find anything that in your opinion could be considered reasonable doubt. Its like a game to you because in that pursuit, you are willing to resort to the most absurd and crazy theories that would merely insult the intelligence of jurors and has rendered you a laughing stock here
Busted!.
Ina said, on June 15, 2010 at 1:30 am
JBmission: “Considering there’s no physical evidence that points to Casey alone” Exactly.
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Right on cue.
TROLL Numero Uno
Not all of the discovery has been completed nor released. People rant and rave about “facts” but the fact is that not all of the facts are out. The defense has just begun their depositions and in any one of them a person could give a very different account of what they did in their LE ones. Especially with the amount of witnesses in this case, you almost have to expect someone to go astray. How much of an impact it might have is not predictable.
The trial is a year away, and it is a year away because there is SO much still left to be done (mostly by the defense), so anyone that has made a firm decision or conclusion at this point is doing it a little hastily and should at least leave a pinhole of objectivity open.
Objectionable opinions (even if they seem absurd to you) are acceptable and everyone should at least have the maturity to be respectful to one another. Unless you truly are like Cindy and can’t help but pounce on those that “cross” you.
John Walsh is scheduled to be on the Today Show to speak about the Kyron Horman case. Today Show for Kyron…GMA for lies. Spread the word.
Valhall.
Hi arttart. Ha-that is the first thing that came to mind regarding what I said at Hal’s.
taybos, I surely get what you are saying. However when someone speaks of a pork chop stinking up Casey’s trunk, it is not a reasonable discussion.
For all those screaming about no physical evidence: Do you know how many murderer’s are convicted on “circumstantial evidence”? Since there is nothing ever on TV, I watch all those shows about murderer’s (48 hours, Froensic Files, ID Discovery, Mission Road(?), etc., etc., etc. More than half are convicted on circumstantial evidence. Nothing in life is balck and white. AND I do not think a jury will put her to death because of her age.
I do not fall for and can see right through BS by someone like Casey Anthony and the rest of that family. Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining! LOL! (that line I got is from a book by that Judge Judy lady!)
PUFF PIECE!!
Per the Anthony’s regarding the letters where they were accused of sexual abuse, etc.: The inmate was a plant that lured Casey to write those letters. STILL making excuses. (I only just put the TV on and caught that). I guess itwill be on line soon.
She also repeated the “I only said there was a dead body in the car to get the police there faster” haha Okaaaaay…..
From Good Morning America Website:
Cindy Anthony also backed off statements she made in a panicked 911 call in 2008 at the outset of the case in which she said the car Casey drove smelled like “there’s been a dead body in there,” saying that she was only trying to get police to respond quickly.
“You can’t take back anything that you say or feel at the time and I don’t take [it] back,” Cindy said. “All I know is I was desperate to get someone out to my house, desperate… When you’re desperately needing something, especially when it comes to your children, you pretty much do or say whatever it takes to get help.”
So, saying that an almost 3 year old girl was kidnapped would NOT have brought the police there? I think when Cindy explains the above at trial, the jury will have the same sour face I have when reading/hearing that. COME ON!
And here is another gem, heard, ad nauseum:
Cindy acknowledged that her daughter lied to investigators early on, but said nothing proves she did anything more than that.
“A liar doesn’t make you a murderer,” she said.
Same old, same old.
Jesse Grund never had a key to Casey’s car, that is defense spin and blog myth.
Absolutely, RS!
RS said, on June 15, 2010 at 7:54 am Jesse Grund never had a key to Casey’s car, that is defense spin and blog myth.
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And YOU know this how??
Cadaver dogs do not alert on pork chops, or for that mnatter ham hocks, sides of beef, pork loin roasts or any such thing.
In addition pigs do not shed death banded hair wwith human mito DNA matching that of Caylee anthony.
further WFTV’s Barrett did a test, TWICE, leaving a meatsa pizza in a HOT trunk for days on end, it had pork, beef etc….and no decomp smell..
further still the lab was asked to test meat based pizza as well…..
so no matter what BS the defense and it’s internet hacks try to spin, it won’t wash…
…it is all deliberate lies offered up hoping some ignorant sucker will grab on…
…so far NO TAKERS, people are a lot smarter than the idiots on defense side cooking up pork chop stories and the like.
really,
I know this because, unlike a few on here who post their BS, I actually pay attention to interviews and transcripts in discovery….Grund never had a key to Casey’s car…
and even if he did, which he did not, so what, he is not the one who NEVER dialed 911, Casey is the one who never did.
NO SURPRISE! Same ole Anthony propaganda! KC is innocent! The interview was a HUGE WASTE of time & Banfield NEEDS to get up to speed on the case. She said the grandparent’s have HARDLY SPOKEN! LOL! CA claims there is no evidence against KC. DUH! Obviously, the ANT’s got their payday, $$$$$$$$$$$, lots of pictures of Caylee & some video.
The interview was short & Elizabeth Vargas pointed out to Banfield there was a LOT OF EVIDENCE against their daughter, Banfield replied, “yes, alot.”
Link is for Video, article, & timeline.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/TheLaw/exclusive-george-cindy-anthony-speak-anniversary-caylees-disappearance/story?id=10911174
Reasoning such as the above enable people like vds to perpetrate their crimes on innocent people. It would be nice if criminals would leave behind definitive evidence, but they tend not to do so…or at least only the very stupid ones do. That being said, casey did get lucky for 31 days so any evidence that existed was destroyed, accidentally or on purpose.
RS: I doubt that fact will make one little bit of difference to those two….no other facts have so far!
So ina and jbm……where is that discovery that indicates SODDI? Don’t even care if it is physical, just anything logical would be open for discussion, I think.
Anyone else find it both odd, and could be said, REVEALING,
the title of the ABC story within link dialogue to story of them speaking out included above by arttart?
Gosh, I thought they ended up in version 2 of their story claiming Caylee was last seen June 16th, NOT 15th…..version 1 was June 8 and/or June 9.
Still to this day seems some cannot keep that story of date last seen straight…
Where did ABC get the date from, who gave it to ABC as THE date last seen?
taybos, you are correct, NOT all the evidence “has been released & WON’T be released” that is too prejudicial to KC! The SUNSHINE Law allows for these exceptions just like the exception that Judge S with held the “death video” as it was too prejudicial to KC’s case. There has been nothing credible from the Defense, hmm, Jill Kerley, convicted felon, hmm, we don’t even know if this could possibly be admitted in! LOL! Then she could be ask about being a convicted felon!
It is inexcusable, imo, that Baez hasn’t DONE a lot of these depositions, done his investigating but has used over $275,000.00 & for what? He lined his incompetent pockets with the ABC money, NOW, the taxpayer’s can PAY for the depositions because he was too cheap to pay for them. The STATE has released 3 Witness Lists, at ANY TIME Baez could have been doing these depositions, but NO, they were TOO EXPENSIVE & he certainly wasn’t going to spend a dime of KC’s money on actually paying the cost to do depositions. Both Hornsby & Sheaffer predicted that the Defense was out of money because they were NOT doing any depositions, only filing MOTIONS. YEP! The money was gone, no surprise to anyone following this case.
imo, KC will probably ask for a PLEA before Trial. Baez will blame it on KC. Lyon’s will claim they were trying to “save KC’s life.” Baez made a lot of promises about the explanation of the 31 days, etc. & that it would come out in trial. LOL! KC WON’T take the stand & he can’t testify for her. imo, we shall see what further inept motions this defense continues to come up with, after all, they have filed MORE of the SAME Motions on the “aggravatior’s for the DP!” DUH! Why is that? Could it be that they fear their client may well get the DP? imo, yes!
RS, good point. I read about a year ago that the STATE was going to use the date of the 16th because that was the date GA had given LE & there was nothing to disprove this. Of course, we ALL know that GA is a liar, just like CA, but NO ONE saw Caylee except the family actually after the 15th. imo, I never believed that GA saw Caylee on the 16th, he then came back about 6 months ago & embellished his story claiming to have eaten breakfast with Caylee. imo, GMA is going to get their share of angry bloggers responding to this interview, again, self serving.
I still don’t understand WHY the Anthony’s were on EXCEPT to get more $$$$$$$ & of course, to claim there is NO evidence against KC. Bansfield might have been nice to them, but she has a child NOT much older than Caylee was & was on IN Session a long time & has certainly seen her share of liars, but more obviously, Elizabeth Vargas isn’t fooled by “all the incriminating evidence.”
OK, forget the pork chop (LOL!), forget the smell, the Grunds, the lying about the job…WHERE IS ZANNY THE NANNY????? Casey said the Nanny took Caylee. And subsequently killed her. For the love of G-d, is she hiding out with Osama Bin Laden in Afganistan? Pakistan?
I wonder what little Caylee was doing two years ago at this time? I’m not going to think about the Anthony’s today. I’m going to think about Caylee.
And Kyron.
It is ludicrous that the anthonys will probably run the talk show circuit for a few years. It seems only the local people really know what they are. I suppose their hateful, haughty remarks and attitudes to anyone trying to help find Caylee weren’t shown on the national media shows or I would find it hard to believe that anyone could defend them as “grieving”. Their lies are not yet fully exposed or there couldn’t possibly be any credence given to their utterances. Someone must have finally convinced them to shut up. So now they go on television and pretend that they care for Caylee. What a effed up world we live in. casey probably will get LWOP because our laws are skewed in her favor. The jury won’t see the ^5 or the wrist kissing, promising her secret is safe with her incestuous (if you believe a habitual liar) brother. The jury will never see the abominable behavior of her parents and the desperate way they have tried to cover her tracks. They will simply get on the stand and lie, lie and lie some more. I fear Caylee’s death will be just another business venture for the scam fam. Poor baby, she never had a chance.
LOL LNY. The most mysterious person on the planet and, next to obl, maybe the most sought after and NO ONE can find a hair on her chinny chin chin!
TE: One clear thing in this case, is that she was singing “You Are My Sunshine” to her great granddaddy and asking if he was OK.
RIP Baby girl.
Amen, Frankie. Amen.
Val has a beautiful article & video posted for Caylee :
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/06/15/2-years-ago-caylees-last-full-day/
Jesse Grund was the first one in line to take a lie detector test, and he passed with flying colors.
He was also ask by L.E. if he ever had a key to her car, if he ever drove her car, or if he had recently been in her car, his answer was no.
Let’s see who has refused to take lie detector test…. Hummmmmm could it be EVERY LAST ONE OF THE ANTHONY’S?
Why yes, I believe it is.
Now, that missing nanny, do you all recall some millionaire offering a big reward for anyone that could offer up the nanny?
He also agreed if she turned herself in he would even pay the reward to her.
Funny, no one collected that reward.
To date there has not been one person step forward to say, I know her, not a family member, not a friend, not a former co-worker, a neighbor, X-boyfriend, classmate, hairdresser, landlord, teacher, no one.
Now, if anyone had known this person, don’t you think someone would have tried to collect that reward?
Guess that is just another one of those common sense things that are over looked by those that do not tend to look at the facts, and only toss stuff out into the wind, like pork chops in the trunk.
Frankie, I am hoping that as SOON as KC is convicted, imo, that the STATE will HIT the talk show circuit just like Marcia Clark & Christopher Darden did in OJ’s case. THEY set the record straight about what went on!
My prediction is that as soon as KC is convicted, the ANT’s will have to go back to work, they will go where all the other parent’s go that lie for their kids like Scott Peterson’s parent’s, Susan Smith’s, NOBODY gives a FLIP what happens to them, it was & always will be about the VICTIMS! The ANTHONY’s have interjected themselves into this case & lived off Caylee! They make me sick!
They need to take that money & buy themselves some acting lessons & therapy! This performance was one of the worst, imo.
Judy: Bet your booties…if anyone, anywhere, at any time had seen Caylee with Imaginanny, they would have jumped up and down and ran as quickly as possible to, if nothing else, the National Enquirer and sold the story for big $$$$$$$$. Spin all they want, she does NOT exist.
art tart: The only thing I would pay to see is if the prosecutors write a book or give an interview. I, personally, am not sure that will happen. I believe that, to a man, LE and the prosecutors have more respect for Caylee. I think this whole sad case was as heart wrenching to them as it has been to us. Kiinda sucks the scam fam doesn’t see that. I think LE deserves a medal of honor. I promise you, if I had to listen to the babbling idiots, I couldn’t have kept myself in check.
Frankie, if anyone had even known this Zanny they would have spoken up.
Not only did no one step up and say I know her, no one stepped up to say they knew the “sister” the “mother” a freaking friend of a friend that knew her.
Now if everyone would stop for a moment and think about your daily life, how many people know you, they may not be family or close friends, but they know who you are, know you by name, a bank teller, a check out girl at the grocery store, the druggist at your pharmacy, your hair dresser, the guy who works on your car, your neighbors, landlords, nurse’s at your doc’s office, teachers, so forth and so on.
We are creatures of habit, we tend to shop at the same store, get our hair done at the same place, have a mechanic that we trust, use the same drug store, we have one check out girl we like best because she is friendly, faster, or bags our grocery’s just right, we have a fav place to go out and eat with a fav waiter or waitress, they know our names because they see us often, we tend to tip them better, so they remember us.
We are in contact with tons of people every day that could step up and say “oh yeah, I know that person”
Yet not on single soul in this world has stepped up and said that about this nanny.
I have been reading everyday and commenting only occasionally, got a bit burned out and frustrated. It’s almost like a soap though, things are going so slowly you really are still in the same spot..
I know in my heart that Casey Anthony killed her daughter Caylee. I don’t know why anyone would want to kill any child, but that’s coming from a normal mind. Then you have the Anthonys. Casey killed her, George and Cindy immediately started to cover it up, Lee is hiding something, and THEY think there is something wrong with us. It’s incredible.
Whoever stated upthread that if the nanny existed, someone would have dropped a dime to get the reward is absolutely correct. The death of this poor little girl has brought out the greed and avarice in everyone. The media, the family, bloggers looking for money, friends selling their stories, sickos trying to sell Cindys e-mails for a buck, the disgusting Caylee doll maker… it goes on and on.
I hope Cindy reflects this evening on what was brewing in her house that evening, and what her daughter did. My belief has been that she was killed as the 15th blended into the 16th. I don’t care what lie George made up about seeing her on the 16th during the day, that is just another Anthony lie. She was already gone, and I think the cover up started immediately.
frankie, I agree with your comment BUT the Prosector’s were so disgusted in the OJ Simpson case, they made an exception for the Victim’s. That too is the ONLY book I would read, one by J Ashton or LD Burdick. I bet the LIES told to LE & the Prosecution are so much more than we know. I am humbled by the tedious job they have, the case they are putting together, & the JUSTICE they will get for Caylee Marie.
judypc, LOL! Your comment reminded me of a comment on Hinky Meter. Someone referred to ALL the lies about the nanny & the people associated with Zanny as a COLONY of people that didn’t exist including the children that Zanny sat for & Zanny’s sisters/relatives. You too remind us of all the lies & more reasons this case is appalling.
Amazed, I too get burned out at times, so frustrated at the MEDIA that line up to allow the Anthony’s to promote their Propaganda & PAY them for licencing fees too for the pleasure of giving them this venue. I would hope as you stated that CA would reflect, but I would hope that CA would reflect on the “toxic environment,” imo, that little Caylee lived in, the lies, the yelling & screaming by everyone living in that house, adults acting like children, Caylee observing the threats to her mother that CA would take her away from KC, but for this to happen, Cindy would have to have a “conscience.” I don’t know how much conscience that GA or CA have as they are willing to bilk Caylee’s tragedy for every dime they can get from the media while ALL the while, they CONTINUE to LIE to the public about the murderer of little Caylee. It upsets me terribly!
Now, lets explore yet another nanny buster shall we?
How many of you that have had or has now a care giver for your child does not have that phone number memorized, and has not given that number and address to other family members in case of an emergency?
How many of you have had your setter have an emergency and need you to pick up your child early?
I can not count the times I had to go pick up my grandsons because my daughter had to work late, the setter was sick, or had some kind of family emergency they had to tend to, or one of the boys was sick and needed to go to the doc, or brought home so as not to spread his illness to others.
Children get sick, fall down, stuff happens.
The setter had my phone number, as well as the other grandparents, I had the setters info, that’s just the way you protect your children.
Yet no where in that Anthony house was a list of phone numbers that had Zanny the nanny on it, not once did Cindy, George, Lee, or any of Casey’s friends ever talk to, meet, or see this nanny, not one friend was ever with Casey when she, went to pick Caylee up or drop her off at the nanny’s.
Not one time did Cindy or George have to drop Caylee off or pick her up.
These caring loving grandparents never once took the time to meet the person who was caring for their grandchild.
Not one person can recall Caylee ever talking about “Zanny took me to the beach” “or to see Micky Mouse,” how many children return home after going someplace like Disney and they do not tell everything they saw, all the rides they went on?
Zanny was suppose to have kept Caylee for 2 years, and no where is there one photo of her with Caylee, not one snap shot of any of the special days they spent together, don’t you think ABC would have paid HUGE bucks for one of those photos?
Don’t you think if there was one photo Cindy & George would have had it up to the highest bidder for sell?
COMMON SENSE PEOPLE!!
It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out some of this stuff, people can bark all day long about pork chops in the trunk, and any other harebrained idea but if you use your head for something besides a hat rack you have to admit to the facts, and the facts are hard cold and unshakeable.
Judy, Judy, Judy,
Lets be real here. You say JG passed the poly with flying colors??? Where in the documents did you read that? And how do you know what questions he was asked during the polygraph?? You don’t know..lol
Secondly, as you well know polygraphs are not admissable in court anyway.
I’ve not read where JG was specifically asked whether he had a key to Casey’s car during an interview.
Would you be so kind to provide the link?
TIA
Why didn’t Roy Kronk collect the reward?
I am thrilled that the ANTHONY’S stand up in public to their adversaries. Their courage is to be commended!! This is why they are frequently invited to talk shows.
Who knows..maybe after the trial they’ll be writing a book. I hope they do. I’ll be FIRST to buy one.
Colur me entirely unsurprised.
I’m amazed by people who ACTUALLY BELIEVE themselves. How could ANYONE in their right minds SWEAR they know the DAY TO DAY activities of a family they HAVE NEVER MET???
I’m chuckling @ the ones who do. They BELIEVE that other people MUST THINK they KNOW this family personally. Is that what these people are claiming??
I KNOW THE ANTHONY’S PERSONALLY.
If so, please share your experiences while in the FAMILY HOME. You know so much…I’m waiting.
Oh, you don’t know them??? hmmm..
This is what people WITH COMMON SENSE think.
jbmission, are you UNABLE to look up a document? MOST of us that read the DOC DUMPS, the MOTIONS, & all the information in this case have ALREADY read about JG!!! Look it up yourself since you have apparently NOT read what most have. Jesse GRUND passed the polygraph, & oh by the way, he isn’t Caylee’s father either! LOL!
YOU ASK WHY ROY KRONK DIDN’T RECEIVE THE REWARD! LOL!!!!!! Do you NOT understand how to look up information because all these questions you have, most of us already know the answers. You can look up answers for yourself since apparently you don’t bother to read much about the case.
In addition! Roy KRONK didn’t receive the reward because he called 911 instead of the CRIME LINE!!! APPARENTLY YOU DIDN”T READ THAT EITHER but continue to run your mouth with NO FACTS as usual.
FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE AS YOU DON’T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO LOOK UP ANYTHING, from the article in the MEDIA:
That phone call makes the meter reader ineligible for a $5,000 Crimeline reward. To collect the reward, you have to call Crimeline first before you call 911.
“You have to initiate a tip with Crimeline at 1-800-423-TIPS,” explained Detective Barb Bergin, Crimeline. “We don’t have enough money to pay rewards to everyone who calls 911.”
Here is the VIDEO report, you can just watch it!
http://www.wftv.com/video/18285136/index.html
Mark NeJames was so APPALLED he gave Roy Kronk $5,000.00 because M NeJames said, “We wouldn’t HAVE CAYLEE if it weren’t for Roy Kronk!
jb mission, before I challenged someone that was “up on the case,” I would certainly make sure I at least knew what I was talking about. Your snarkiness is embarrassing & that’s just the least of it!
ThoughtElf, LOL! same verse, different day! LOL!
Art Tart,
Thank you for your words of encouragement. I am sorry that it took so long for me to respond, but I wanted to stay away for a little while. Now, I have 200+ comments in my eMail inbox to read thru – which is very nice to do while having dinner. LoL
Back to the topic…. who are the supremes??? I asked this long ago but got no answer. Does anybody know?? LoL
Does it have anything to do with Diana Ross?
Buddha brings Laughter
~ScissorLips~
When my daughter was Caylee’s age, my husband was out of town alot. Not only did the daycare have numbers for my parents who lived 150 miles away, but friends, neighbors and co-workers who might have to pick her up should anything happen to me and the daycare knew how to contact any one of theml.
thejbmission said, on June 15, 2010 at 3:24 pm
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Excellent! Isn’t it astounding that some think they KNOW really what they cannot!
ScissorLips:
The supremes in this instance means the Supreme court justices.
No, jb, I believe you are the one without common sense when trying to state your arguments. I had complimented you once on your tenacity for being in the minority in believing in Casey’s innocence. But I have found since then that you are “baiting” in your comments. And sometimes wonder if you are a friend or aquaintance of the Anthony’s (for real).
As far as”common sense”, I, like all the others have taken the circumstances, Casey’s statement regarding the “Nanny took Caylee story”, her mother’s statement to the 911 operator about the car smelling like a dead body and that her daughter says “the Nanny” took her the infamous 31 days ago and THAT ALONE told me AT THAT TIME, that very day it came on the news, that she killed her daughter. Then, ADD IN Casey’s LE interviews and state evidence released, circumstantial and forensic and I find again, VIA COMMON SENSE that she and she alone murdered her daughter.
THEN add in the parents and the brother and WAHLA, Casey murdered Caylee.
Don’t insult my intelligence with pork chops and tell me what people with common sense think.
And don’t act so amazed that people “think” they know what a family does day to day. IT IS ALL IN WRITING via Casey’s text messages what she did everyday. It is in sworn depostions what Casey did everyday. And if we choose to believe what those parents of hers say, it is in their OWN words what they did everday.
thejbmission:
JB JB JB, read the transcripts and you will see those questions, read the report on the LD test.
Good gravy I even posted the stinkin transcripts on my open site.
Hi judypc.Trying to get in/join your site…
ok linda will go open the door
silverbullit, I did the same as you when my children were little. As controlling as CA is, it’s hard to believe that wouldn’t know this, but of course she said she had Zanny’s number, LOL, but could NEVER produce it!
LindaNewYork, I meant to respond to you the other day, I too watch all the 48hrs./Dateline/ID, etc. daily or record them as they run during the day in my town also. I always find them interesting & followed most of the cases they feature. I am so fascinated by the advances made in DNA/forensics in just our lifetime & I am always excited when a COLD CASE is solved because a Detective 20 years ago had the foresight to realize eventually the science would catch up with the evidence so they had it all in a box. I guess we’re crime nerds! LOL!
Speaking of crime nerds… I hope you bright minds are also following Kyron’s case. I don’t think it will be come a cold case, but the more eyes on it the better.
Oh yes, I AM a crime nerd. My husband thinks I am crazy for watching all those shows/ I tell I watch them so when I “get rid of him” I will know how to do it without getting caught
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But really I have alwasy been fascinated by true crime. And more so now, like you said, with those shows and the advances in DNA/forensics. However, I am still amazed at how many are convicted by circumstantial evidence.
Over the last couple of nights, I saw 2 shows where 2 people on man, one woman were convicted of murdering their spouses. RIGHT BEFORE sentencing each fired their lawyers saying they were incometent (read: I was convicted, therefore they were incompetent lawyers (haha). The woman was released and the charges were dropped (although I still think she was guilty, BUT the reason for the turn around WAS faulty forensic testing and the case was tried on that only, and I had enough COMMON SENSE (that was for jb) to understand) and the man, well, nice try. I can almost guarantee, that when Casey is convicted she will pull the same stunt. Even with all the pre-trial motions to prevent that.
The cricumstantial evidence alone would convict Casey. But they got forensic evidence also. Coffin flies and grave wax (?) do not attach themselves to a decaying pork chop. (BTW-who above said something about the “pork cop theory”? that was hysterical!)
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(Thanks judy-gotta make dinner- will check in in a bit).
LindaNewYork, Tonight, COLD BLOOD is showing Darlie Routier’s Case. It was re-made in 2010 & updated. I am surely going to catch it.
ThoughtElf, I have been following everything in Kyron’s case & I am so concerned on so many levels. NOT much information from LE, but I am disturbed that Kyron was missing over 7 1/2 hours before ANYONE knew he was missing. If he was last seen at 9:00 am & didn’t get off the school bus, then step mom contacted the school at 3:45, JEEEZ! If abducted as it appears, he could have been in another State by then, that is a LONG time for a little one to be missing. I am still praying for him, hoping for a miracle that he will be found alive.
Hi everybody! It’s been hard to get my head back into the case. But look at you guys!!! You are great. You’re still here, holding down the fort.
The Gulf is pulling focus from pretty much everything else ~ it’s the enormity that is so horrifying and when I do think of it for longer than three seconds, it takes my breath away. The suffering, extinction ~ big thud in my chest. Heart sick. I know you all are feeling it too. It’s bad.
There is NOT a document reporting which questions JG was asked on the poly. I’m sorry, but I don’t believe it.
NO LINDA …I THINK YOU THE ONE WITHOUT COMMON SENSE. LOL
Do you want to continue this? I have time, do you?
Just remember, I’m NOT Ina. If you can dish out the insults, be ready to get it back. It’s that simple. And YES, I can be childish too.
This is a discussion. No one is here to be insulted. But if you wan to play, I’m GAME.
it’s that simple.
I used to back down and take the high road, but lol
Not lately..hmmm,, Enough is enough I guess.
Thanks for the heads up artart. Her story was on the other night. But it didn’t seem to be new. I do remember questions of her innocence arising. I also remembe the jury not knowing of “her” injuries. But, people who would like to get away with murder can and wil harm themselves to look like a victim. (Or say there were dead aquirrels in their car to explain away a death smell!)
It is ver scary that Kyron was missing for so long and the school did not know. Since my Mother passed away almost a year and ahalf ago, I am the “emergency call” after her and my bro-in-law. While not an emergency, I had to pick my niece up at her elemtary school, sign in at the door, sign her out at the nurses office AFTER they asked for my name and ID and after my niece called me Aunt Linda. I am also known and know the teachers names a the day care for my younger nieces. So WHO took this child? There are security guards in office buldings..why not in school???
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Hi Bees. Yes, the oil disaster in the Gulf is a horror. There was a pic in the newpaper the other day of a, shoot I foget, a bird covered in oil with its mouth open almost looking like it was crying out in agony.
Hi Bees Knees,
Maybe you can add some decorum to this debacle…
It hasn’t been nice lately.
JB,…
List me 5 reasons why you think Casey is innocent, with evidence or intelligent opinion to back up your reasons.
Ina,
Again, you are right. The “troll” is getting old. lol
What they are really saying is, “we just want to be left alone and monopolize the blog because we’re cry babies”
I got it. Well, that’s too bad. Grow up!
Beast,
LOL, no thank you. Been there, done that. You know the deal. Bait and Snark.
Again I request, if everyone would JUST IGNORE the trolls, the one’s that are interested in the case can discuss it, they can discuss ignorance with each other. They seem to be on the same page intellectually about the case.
They are here to only entertain, sooner or later they will understand that their ignorance is boring.
Beast, nice try, that’s never going to happen. Several have said that INA goes back to her BLOG & laughs at the one’s that post here, LOL! It is we who are laughing!
Hey Bees, good to hear from you. I agree, the GULF Coast Tragedy is overwhelmingly sad, no end in sight unfortunately. I pray that BP has the funds to do all they have promised but the damage to our ECO system will go on for years.
JB
Unless it was way up in post by someone I do not think anyone said the questions ask in the poly were in a doc, but, there are transcripts of the times he was questioned by le, and there are the statements by le that Jesse took the poly without so much as a blink and passed it without problem.
And, I did not see where anyone other than you, said anything about the use of LD test in court, but the fact that someone refuses to take one is very telling, Cindy George & Lee all refused more than once to take one.
If you have nothing to hide, Why not take the test?
Hello?
JB?
The request is not difficult, especially if you believe what you’ve been saying.
This is your chance to state your case.
I guess the word discussion should be defined to some who don’t know what it means. A discussion is hearing both sides, not yada, yada, yada and we’ll all agree.
Beast,
This is my chance??? Are you kidding me. I wouldn’t take that bait if it came with $100 dollar bill.
Carry on. I’ll just poke holes where I see fit because no else here produces any proof, so I certainly am not.
I’m still waiting on the proof that JG’s polygraph exam was in the documents with the results, along with the question “did you have a key to Casey’s car”.
When someone provides that document here, then I might provide mine.
JB:
I think I have always treated you with respect, so honestly I do not understand your deal, Bait and Snark?
Now, I ask this without one ounce of Bait or Snark, why is it you feel it is ok for you to question, and call me Ignorant because I do not swallow Ina’s pork chop silliness, I answered each of your questions, without bait or snark, but you can not or will not answer why you believe Casey is innocent, and offer evidence or intelligent opinion to back up your reasons.
I honestly would like to know how you have arrived at those thoughts.
As far as I’m concerned that was an honest offer for you to give reasons why you disagree with everyone else. Your failure to do so says a couple of things. 1. You don’t really think shes innocent. 2. You are just coming in here to stir up trouble. So I would respectfully say that if you are not going to prove your case STF and stay out of the conversation. If you dont have the balls to stand by your conviction your comments mean F*** all.
With all due respect, JB, it looks as if you’ve baited and snarked all afternoon. Beast’s question was valid. I’d like to hear what you have to say as well. After all the documents have been released, what in there stands out that points to Casey’s innocence rather than her guilt? We all have different ways of interpreting information. The question is, out of most people that post, not many believe in her innocence…what is it that YOU’RE seeing that WE aren’t?
Amy Huizenga, Jesse Grund, Anthony Lazaro, Ricardo Morales, and Anthony Rusciano were asked to take polygraphs and they agreed and took the tests in August and September of 2008.
George, Cindy, and Lee Anthony were asked to take the polygraph test and refused.
Carry on Judy,
I asked you where is the document that states the results of JG’s polygraph along with the question, “did you have keys to Casey’s car” When I said I wasn’t buying it, you and no one else felt the need to provide any proof of that statement.
Now, when Ina comes along, like EVERYONE else here, simply stating her opinion it’s a name calling fest.
When I come here, I’ll state my OPINION too. Too bad if it’s a problem.
I know better than to back down from bullies.
Jesse Grund Sept 8 interview :
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0408/19129428.pdf
The audio of his interview is also on WESH.
Art – I found a new forum for Kyron today. Where are you following?
Jesse states on page 13 of that interview that he does NOT have a copy of Casey’s car keys.
Beast,
Get over yourself!! LOL I refuse to answer your request. So what, take it anyway you like. And NOW you can STHU. Got that.
Did I read somewhere up-thread that someone agrees that not all the evidence has been released in this case?
I guess that means that for some of you, enough has been released for you to come to a decision.
I get it now.
Doesn’t EVERYONE get it? jbmission is NOT GOING TO ANSWER the simply stated questions because she HAS NO ANSWERS.
She shows up everyday, proceeds to act ignorant, she is repeatedly provided links by everyone here, & she still wants to argue with the facts. If BAEZ can’t come up with 5 reasons KC is innocent, jbmission certainly can’t come up with them! GOD knows he has tried to blame any & everyone. WHY IS THAT 5 reasons can’t be stated by someone that believes in KC’s innocence? It’s because they don’t exist~!~
jbmission, everybody gets the game. SHOW us that you really are intelligent & that you really have facts to back up your opinions instead of always challenging the facts of those that are informed that are nice enought to provide you links, THEN, you continue to want to argue.
thejbmission said, on June 15, 2010 at 3:02 pm
I’ve not read where JG was specifically asked whether he had a key to Casey’s car during an interview. Would you be so kind to provide the link?
TIA
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http://www.docstoc.com/docs/23073180/TAPED-TRANSCRIPT-OF-JESSE-AARON-GRUND
Page 13
EE= Corporal Eric Edwards JG= Jesse Grund YM=Corporal Yuri Mellich
EE Did you want to discuss the uh, what he had been told by this source?
Get that on statement too in case? Someone had told you that there was maybe some posturing towards laying some blame on you?
YM Absolutely Yeh (affirmative)
EE Can you tell us about that please
JG Uhm, I was told by uh, a individual who was working with the Anthony family
uhm, who had got ot sit in on a couple of the attorney meetings that Casey was uhm telling her attorneys and uhm, Cindy was backing her up on this uhm, that I killed Caylee. That I planted evidence in the car. That I had access to the car because I had keys. Uhm, and that I was framing her becuase of my obsession with Caylee.
YM Access to the car because of keys, why would they say that?
JG She was just, uh, her reasoning for me being able to have access to her is saying that I have a copy of her car keys.
YM Do you?
JG I don’t. Ive never had a copy of her car keys.
YM Okay
JG I’ve never been in sole posession of a pair of keys for her. The only time I’ve ever actually had her keys in my hand is when she’s been right next to me in the car and I’ve driven for her. That’s it.
EE So your understanding from this person is the family is posturing towards, they know that the child is deceased, but they’re posturing towards a defense?
JG Correct. Yes Sir
EE And who told you this?
JG Uhm…
EE Well the , its out brother because, I already got to type what you already said on tape.
JG Okay. Alright, uhm Leonard Padilla told me that
YM Was, was it just Leonard or Leonard and Tony?
JG Uhm, that I
YM Tony Padilla
JG Right. Uhm, just Leonard. And uhm his guys backed him up too. Whatever the guys he had here with him, they also heard the same thing.
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Clearly Jesse fears he is being set up by Casey.
Mix,
Would you believe JG’s statement conflicts with another witness statement? Fair enough?
But going back to Judy’s statement that JG made this statement while taking the polygraph is not fact. I KNOW the questions asked during a poly are NEVER released.
Beast said, on June 14, 2010 at 4:22 pm
TE Im going to split the night up and do Rock Mondays, lovers&and Dance Wednesdays and &0′s Fridays, see how that goes.
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Beast, Perhaps you could stay busy working on a Hootenanny on Tuesday’s and a Polka fest on Wednesday’s. It might help your disposition.
Jilly,
This is the phrase:
Judy, Judy, Judy,
Lets be real here. You say JG passed the poly with flying colors??? Where in the documents did you read that? And how do you know what questions he was asked during the polygraph?? You don’t know..lol
SisterBlister, I agree not all of the evidence has been released, but IMO there are a lot of murderers who’ve been convicted on a lot less than has been released here. Out of everything I’ve read, I believe Casey is guilty. What stands out to me is the absence of Zanny the Nanny, the 31 days before Caylee was even reported missing, and the stench of human decomp, plus the hair with the death band, in the car that ONLY Casey drove.
Which witness statement was that, JB? Casey’s, Cindy’s, Lee’s, or George’s? Since they’ve all already been proven liars, I’d have to believe Jesse’s statement over ANY of theirs.
jbmission, everybody gets the game. SHOW us that you really are intelligent & that you really have facts to back up your opinions instead of always challenging the facts of those that are informed that are nice enought to provide you links, THEN, you continue to want to argue.
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Art whoever you are,
I know the facts as well as anyone else here. Go figure, huh. Now are you challenging me? Because if you are, I want you to prove your worth too. ALL you ever do is complain about anyone who doesn’t agree with you.
I REFUSE to submit anything that will make you happy. It’s that simple.
But I’m sure you know that by now.
SisterBlister, if you have any evidence that KC is innocent of murdering Caylee, please share with everyone as everyone would love to hear it. We can only evaluate what has been released & there has been damning evidence released with more to come.
Baez can’t seem to DUMP the Phantom Zanny story he is stuck with, produce a viable explanation for the 31 days missing, & exactly where under the tables in Fusion or under Tony’s bed KC expected to find Caylee while” conducting HER OWN investigation trying to find her.” YEP! Jill Kerley made a great contribution to KC’s case, a convicted felon stripped of her nursing license, everyone would love to see ANY viable defense. The MOTIONS are a good indicator that the Defense is “scared to death that KC may well receive the DP, BUT, IF the Defense has GREAT EVIDENCE, there should be nothing for them to be concerned about. Jurors’ will weigh ALL the evidence, their opinion is the ONLY opinion that counts. jmo.
Everyone is waiting for ANY viable evidence from the Defense. Waiting!
Mix, I agree that there is plenty of information to speculate about Casey’s guilt. I, however, need more than speculation. I couldn’t sentence someone to death based on the current circumstantial evidence. I can only hope that there is more to the story than what is available. I guess I find it difficult to understand the mindset of those who know in their heart that Casey is guilty, regardless of not having full knowledge of the circumstances. Just sayin…
thejbmission said, on June 15, 2010 at 3:02 pm
I’ve not read where JG was specifically asked whether he had a key to Casey’s car during an interview. Would you be so kind to provide the link?
TIA
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Yes right jb chill, you said “during an interview”
Just granting part 2 of your request.
Sister Blister,
I concur!
Art,
If you (personally) without the support of your merry band can prove her guilt, have at it. I don’t need your “evaluation” of what has already been released. I would like to hear YOU say that regardless of what hasn’t been released, that YOU would convict her to death, now, today.
Now, THIS is what I call a “discussion”. Not the same ol’ yada, yada!
jb mission, I hope everyone IGNORES you. There are the nicest people on this blog, everyday you show up & argue with EVERY single person on this BLOG. People here are nice enough to provide you with links & information you obviously haven’t read & you still want to argue. Look how many comments you are attacking everyone, this is JUST old news with you. I love it when you get in a real huff & post 3 or 4 in a row! LOL!
You won’t submit anything jbmission, BECAUSE IT DOESN’T exist. It won’t make me happy one way or the other, as I said, I KNOW YOUR GAME, you are not capable of providing the information almost every single blogger has requested from you. No one had any expectations that you would, we just wanted to watch you spin doughnuts attacking everyone. You never disappoint!
That’s right Arttart,
Avoid Sister Blister, attack me. Same old thing.
Question? Does everyone have to agree to participate on this blog? Is there some rule? Is this a discussion or a brainwashing blog. Do I have to think like everyone else? I’m not arguing with anyone, I’m just stating how I feel. Do you really need to hurt MY feelings, or anyone else’s for that matter?
LOL@spin doughnuts…I agree. I’m not being snarky, but JB, you haven’t linked to anything facts that you’re basing your opinions on.
Yeah, JB, I noticed she avoided answering my question too.
Did not report her child missing even after not seeing her for 31 days
Not a single picture, address(verifiable), or telephone number for the supposed nanny
Caseys car smelled like decomp, George and others said same thing
Caseys car, only hers, she was the only one that drove it.
Tape, stickers,. clothing, blankets, found with remains came from Anthony home
Got a tattoo (beautiful life) while her daughter was missing (sick)
Getting drunk, partying while her daughter was missing..*kid napped?? lol
Dna proved caylee was dead, and in the trunk of caseys car
Body found in area Casey played in as kid.
IT ALL POINTS TO ONE PERSON. ANYONE GOT A RATIONAL EXPLANATION THAT SAYS THOSE POINTS MEAN SHE IS INNOCENT ?
I don’t recall reading that we all have to agree with each other. But backing up your opinion with FACTS is appreciated…it might help us to understand why others aren’t reaching the same conclusion as we are.
If I didnt know where one of my chidren were even after 5 minutes I’d be lookin….30 MINUTES and no sign of her Id be calling the cops, the national guard, and anyone else that could help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, Sister Blister,
It’s avoided because they don’t want to do the work that they expect of others.
Mix, the FACT is that the reasons as listed by Beast (above) may POINT to one person, but I don’t believe they are PROOF. I also feel that it is somewhat irrational to expect SOME people to accept the listed reasons as PROOF.
Beast, can I make a request? Moon River.
I think Art left or is either writing a really looooong reply.
Sister Blister, I will wait until trial & evaluate ALL of the evidence, thus far, there has been damning evidence released against KC. I certainly wouldn’t say that I would convict KC of the DP today, that would be ignorant of anyone to do! I will say, that Lyon’s is sweating bullets that her client might “well receive the DP” as the Defense has filed more Motions about the “aggravator’s in the DP.” Lyon’s has already said months ago on the TODAY SHOW she is scared to death for her client. Lyon’s doesn’t sound like she is counting on Baez to “save KC’s life, she is working her butt off on just getting the DP removed from the table.
Hopefully, the Defense will come up with a viable defense & explanation, but thus far, nothing has been shared. The Defense will sit there for weeks while Detective after Detective, Tim Miller, friend after friend, testifies against KC, the 31 days & what KC was up to, that KC wasn’t concerned with Caylee, that the phantom Nanny doesn’t exist. Endless testimony that has already been released. Since it is NOT likely that KC will take the stand & Baez can’t testify for KC, it is going to be difficult, imo, to overcome all the credible witnesses the STATE has to testify for weeks. All of these people will testify before the forensics come in.
Baez will et his closing argument to tell the jury exactly what kind of investigation KC was running during the 31 days missing & the phantom nanny, but that will be at the end of the trial. It would be fabulous if he would put KC on the stand, but most legal analyst predict that there are too many lies to overcome.
SisterBlister, I don’t have a merry band, there happens to be a lot of bloggers on this site that have kept up with the case & have provided links to anyone upon request, most of us have read all the evidence released and can only evaluate that. IF you know of any information that would dispute any of the viable witnesses or evidence released, then share it, that would be great. That is all that anyone has ever been ask of jb mission but she refuses to do so.
Not proof? I suppose then you think that just says she was acting normally? Thats how you would act if one of your kids went missing? Not look for her? Lie to the cops? MAke up stories to tell them? Go get drunk at bars? Did you frequently or EVER take your child to a NIGHTCLUB so often that you might think shed be there if missing ?? LMAO my god thats insane?
Beast, you can’t judge everyone by your own reasoning. Not everyone is like the Cleavers. There are plenty of dysfunctional families out there. For all you know, your neighbor could be a serial killer or a closet Queen. I think that is one reason people get hung up on this case…they can’t identify with this family.
Thank you ArtTart, I truly appreciate your reply.
SisterBlister,
Thats exactly right. They can’t identifly with the family.
Art, if I were Casey or any member of her family, I would be scared to death also. I haven’t walked in their shoes nor would I want to, but regardless of how things appear, I am willing to wait before I condemn. I don’t understand a lot of things, but I agree with JB in some respects. I don’t accept everything as it appears.
mixologist74, I agree, no one has to agree, but to back an opinion up with a fact is ALWAYS appreciated as most people base an opinion on fact, some just dream up opinions which is also acceptable. To argue with those dreaming up opinions is probably a waste of time as those of us basing our opinions on the facts, will never understand their reasoning.
True Beast, it is “inconceivable to almost everyone that if they didn’t know where their child was, they would be losing their mind.” I certainly don’t care if there are parent’s that post on this blog that it wouldn’t bother, is it logical? Not for most parent’s, but everyone is entitled to parent as they see fit. The important question is WHAT WILL THE JURY THINK? Will they agree it is okay? Will they form an opinion as to what was going on & NOT going on? We will sit back & watch!
Beast, how do you define “normally”, and does that apply to everyone you know?
Every parent that I know, yes. How do I know that, many conversations talking about this case, and others. Also, I just believe that to be common sense. Anyone that tells me that they would NOT be concerned should NOT be a parent.
Amazed!! said, on June 15, 2010 at 4:29 pm
thejbmission said, on June 15, 2010 at 3:24 pm
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Excellent! Isn’t it astounding that some think they KNOW really what they cannot!
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Yes Amazed, it is..lol It’s nothing more than a personal opinion. Thanks for noticing.
BTW, what happened to Zuben’s posts she left the other night?? Looks like someone removed them…strange.
“Normal” Oh, please define normal. It’s the mindset of some people which blows me away. Are they what I’m suppose to believe is “normal”. I think not.
Beast, I agree that most parents that I know would not act as has been described. However, all you have to do is read the news. Today (CNN) there was a lady who was arrested because she told they police she didn’t want her kids anymore, she was sick of them. Now, I expect they weren’t friends of yours (or mine), but it does POINT to the fact that there are some dysfunctional people out there. I don’t know the A’s either.
Sister Blister, what I do accept is that the Anthony’s have chosen to lie, GA has lied since his Grand Jury Testimony & the State was provided that testimony after the STATE did their deposition on GA many months ago. No one can imagine walking in the Anthony’s shoes, but thus far, I don’t think we have ever seen a family LIE on National TV to the public, sell the memories of their grandchild & live off the proceeds. I don’t think this has anything to do with anyone condemning the Anthony’s, I think this is who they are. Without exception, I can’t recall a single family that had a child murdered that wasn’t crying & demanding JUSTICE for their murdered child except this family. While it is almost inconceivable for most to understand, it is certainly the Anthony’s right to do so in which they will continue to do until the trial. Caylee was blessed with Great Grandma Pleasa & Uncle Rick Pleasa that want Justice for Caylee.
I thought one of the saddest things I have read in this case is when Grandma Pleasa said, “KC hated CA MORE than she loved Caylee.” I am glad they will be supporting the STATE when the trial comes, Caylee deserves to have some relatives stand up for her.
I respect the witnesses the State has aligned, you don’t see them making the media tours with propaganda & only Kio Marie has sold a story & Rosiana (sp) sold a picture of Caylee in her pink t-shirt that I know of. I am just saying Sister, the mountain of COMMON sense evidence that is going to be laid out for weeks on end is going to be very difficult for the Defense to overcome.
imo, they may decide as the Trial date approachesr, to accept LWOP like Melissa Huckaby did in the murder of Sandra Cantu because she feared getting the DP. BUT! The defense works for KC, it will be her choice & the Defense may come up with something viable before then.
Normally when someone kills they do everything in their power to leave the state, but Casey sticks around. She’s sticking around because she still thinks her daughter is alive.
Normally murders if there is such a thing, are perpetuated for a reason. There is NO MOTIVE…unless you want to speculate the psyche of Casey Anthony.
Speculate is the key word here.
Where’s Zubens comments??
Since I believe testimony that Casey was a liar and thief, I believe there is more motive to hurt Casey than motive for Casey to murder her daughter. There is no motive or physical evidence such as a fingerprint and dNA to back up the state’s case.
As soon as the state produces this, I’ll be happy to jump ship. Who’s dNA is on the duct tape. Not Casey’s.
And it can’t be someone from the FBI lab because protocol includes sterile technique which I’m sure was not compromised.
Sister too, you make a good point that there are many dysfunctional families, the problem for the defense is that it ONLY matters to the 12 jurors that are going to be sitting there listening to this evidence, looking at the pictures of KC in Fusion, the jurors that will see Caylee’s little skull w/duct tape, and watch the visual the State is preparing. That is the least of it. Those jurors will be parents like most of us, frantic when we don’t know where our children are, & the defense would have to pray that they could get jurors that didn’t care where their children were. Is that possible? I don’t know, voire dire will be an important part of this case & imo, parent’s are the worst nightmare for the defense. That is the point I was trying to make, sorry, I did it in a round about way, they are the only ones that matter, people with common sense, people just like us.
Actually,
I do know someone who is hiding her grandchild from the real father. it’s not him she’s afraid of, it’s his enemies. He is a well known criminal. Someone who has a vendetta against him wouldn’t think about it for a minute and kidnap her grandson to get back at his biological dad. It’s a big secret in their family for this reason.
In the criminal world today, these things happen.
Maybe that’s why Casey stayed quiet for 31 days. I can not put this out of the equation because of what I happen to know.
Art, I agree that the A’s haven’t set a very good example and have created more problems through their actions. I also think they are scared shitless, they’re broke, they’ve lost a beloved grandchild and I’m not sure if they know their own daughter. I would also bet they feel very guilty. They aren’t very likable, but thank goodness I don’t have to like them. I do feel sorry for them and the whole sorry situation, but like I said, I don’t have to like them.
The operative point is that the fingerprint evidence hasn’t been RELEASED to the public yet. I believe we’ve had this discussion before.
Not all normal murderers do everything in their power to leave the state. Look at Jeffery Dahmer, who killed multitudes and had them cut up/buried in his own house. Look at Darlie Routier…she didn’t leave the state, and neither did Susan Smith. Just because someone opts not to leave to avoid prosecution doesn’t mean they’re innocent. I honestly believe that Casey had plans in motion to leave to California, to be with Mark Hawkins, but Cindy caught up to her before she could leave town.
It’s not if a juror doesn’t care about children, it’s if a juror thinks the state has proven their case beyond a reasonable doubt. Perhaps in the state of Florida and their problem with drug cartels, someone like myself might relate.
Kidnapping is the revenge of most people involved in narcotics. Look at what happens in Arizona. That’s a good example.
SisterBlister, we have a saying in the south, it’s a “cluster f***!” I agree with your comment, we don’t have to like them. jmo, I wish KC would have kept T Lenamon on in her case, he was an experienced Criminal Def Attorney, former prosecutor, & Death Penalty qualified. jmo, he would have evaluated all the information & made positive decisions accordingly on her behalf.
There was a window of a couple of months, before Caylee was found, that something might could have been done on KC’s behalf, but we will NEVER know as Baez, with 3 yrs. legal experience, wanted to run this case & imo, was banking on Caylee never being found. Just think, IF Caylee had never been found, the ANT’s would have been on GMA this morning claiming Caylee sightings, and there would always be the chance one or more jurors’ could not convict because they couldn’t be sure if Caylee was alive or not. We will never know! We are where we are!
JB, I have the hardest time trying to understand how Casey didn’t have SOMEONE watching Kaylee. Perhaps there never was a Zanny, but surely there was someone. How could Casey manage to pull that off for so long?
mix,
Comparing Dahmer and Anthony isn’t even close. He was a serial killer. Now Routier and Anthony is a good example. But you know the difference there too. JMO, after seeing Routier’s injuries I think Texas got it wrong. But in Routier’s case, I really don’t trust her husband.
Since we were talking about poly’s, her husband failed a polygraph. FYI
Casey had ample time to leave and didn’t. She also wasn’t the one who reported Caylee missing. How long was she going to stick around? This is something that bothers me.
SB,
I agree. There had to be someone who was watching Caylee at some point. Once xanax was eliminated and I feel chloroform isn’t involved either, it makes me wonder too.
JudyPC made the comment earlier:
“Now if everyone would stop for a moment and think about your daily life, how many people know you, they may not be family or close friends, but they know who you are, know you by name, a bank teller, a check out girl at the grocery store, the druggist at your pharmacy, your hair dresser, the guy who works on your car, your neighbors, landlords, nurse’s at your doc’s office, teachers, so forth and so on.”
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This is what I have a hard time trying to understand. How is it that no one seems to know anything?
Remember right before Kronk called LE in August there was this guy who found Fathers Day balloons across the street where Caylee was found? I believe he called LE and they said it was nothing.
I wonder about the the balloons? I have two things that come to my mind. One, were they meant for George and something happened enroute to the Ants. Or were they meant for Caylee’s daddy? Was KC going to hook up with him since the Ants were kicking her out?
Those balloons would have saliva in them for DNA. if they were positive for Casey, that may be a good connection. Just a thought.
Ladies & Beast, thanks for letting me join you tonight. Most often I lurk quietly. Art & Mix, I appreciate your opinion. As always JB, you are thought provoking! Night all.
Thank you Sister Blister,
Goodnight
Impressive. I bailed expecting fisticuffs and conspiracy infomercials, and you guys had a really great discussion.
And that is why I keep checking this site. After everyone gets past the personal remarks, there are some really bright concepts bandied about.
thejbmission said, on June 15, 2010 at 9:28 pm
In this post you speak of motive, in fact many murders are the result of what is called rage killings.
SisterBlister said, on June 15, 2010 at 8:42 pm
No Sister everyone does not have to agree, but we can disagree in a way that does not require snarkyness, honestly I wish those that believe Casey is innocent would give a reason why, and show how they arrived at their opinion.
What part of the evidence thus far did they see differently, speak to me in a rational, adult manner, exchange thoughts.
But when someone comes in calls everyone ignorant and refuses to have an honest exchange, there is no common ground to meet upon.
thejbmission said, on June 15, 2010 at 8:14 pm
I never said anything about JG statement while taking the polygraph, I said and I quote
JG took a poly and passed.
And I said and I quote JG was ask if he had keys to Caseys car had been in her car recently or had driven her car, this was in his police interview, which I have explained twice now but you seem to refuse to acknowledge
Thank you Jilly for putting up the transcript,
thejbmission said, on June 15, 2010 at 10:04 pm
I won’t swear to it but I think most of those balloons are blown up in the store where you buy them.
Snipped from Judy’s comment:
“What part of the evidence thus far did they see differently, speak to me in a rational, adult manner, exchange thoughts.
But when someone comes in calls everyone ignorant and refuses to have an honest exchange, there is no common ground to meet upon.”
This is exactly what I was trying to say, only you said it better.
SisterBlister, thanks, and we appreciate your opinion too. Most of the time, I lurk too and only post if there’s something I really want to say or a question that I’d like answered. I don’t have too much free time on my hands to hang here much.
Also, I might point out that I do not go onto any Casey is innocent sites and start a conversation by calling them ignorant, and then get my knickers in a bunch when they ask me why I believe she is not.
Hi Mix, you say things very well, I must speak in code most of the time because I seem to not be getting through and have had words put in my mouth, or on my fingers…. hummm.
Do you NOT understand how to look up information because all these questions you have, most of us already know the answers. You can look up answers for yourself since apparently you don’t bother to read much about the case.
There happens to be a lot of bloggers on this site that have kept up with the case & have provided links to anyone upon request, most of us have read all the evidence released and can only evaluate that. IF you know of any information that would dispute any of the viable witnesses or evidence released, then share it, that would be great. That is all that anyone has ever been ask of Arttart but she refuses to do so.
Arttart, are you UNABLE to look up a document? MOST of us that read the DOC DUMPS, the MOTIONS, & all the information in this case have ALREADY read about JG!!! Look it up yourself since you have apparently NOT read what most have. Jesse GRUND passed the polygraph, & oh by the way, he isn’t Caylee’s father either! LOL!
Whoever claimed that “what Casey did every day is in writing (in the discovery)”, where and how in the heck did she keep Caylee for the months and months BEFORE her muder when Casey went out at night and Caylee was supposedly at Zanny’s. NO, what Casey did every day is NOT in writing in the discovery!
Perhaps it is not so much that anyone believes Casey is necessarily completely innocent, but that they believe that there is no direct evidence that proves she is guilty of what she is being charged with and deserving a punishment of death. Correct me if I’m totally off-base, JB. Yeah, lots of people are convicted of murder based solely on circumstantial evidence, but how many of those are Death Penalty cases? That’s a whloe ‘nother ball of wax.
Y’all are so hyped up about Ina, she’s been gone for how long now and you’re still talking about her and her pork chops! If you could only listen to your own advise and IGNORE instead of constantly whining…..
JB, don’t you just love that if you have even the slightest difference in opinion, you’re automatically not well-read on the case?!
Cuz, you know if you WERE well-read on the case, you couldn’t possibly have developed your own opinion, you’d be right in-line with the robot opinion.
Thank you Taybos. Well said.
That is not true. All intelligent opinions are welcome and encouraged. However, every opinion is formed based on information. JB and the est offer no explanations or evidence to back up their position, or the reasons why. So therefore it is an opinion based on nothing. If I am incorrect please inform me as to why you feel that way. But you cant just say I disagree and offer no reason for it, then expect to be included in conversdation or respected for feeling that way. We have all stated how we feel, and why. Not too much to expect the same.
As for WHO watched Caylee, according to Cindy Casey took her full 90 day maternity leave from her HR job at Universal. That takes us to to mid Novemeber 05. Lauren Gibbs seems to have been Caylee’s full time babysitter but she believes Casey to be working at Sports Authority
. I dont know when Lauren cottoned on that there was no SA job and quit but the Grunds seem to take over as the main babysitters till until around April 06. Richard Grund claims he told Casey the situation wasnt ideal and suddenly, problem solved, Zanny enters the picture. But April 24th Casey has already been fired for job abandoment. 
Dont know if that was the last day she worked or the official day she got fired. Did she ever return to the HR job and when sid she announce she was now an event coordinator. 
George claimed to detectives, he suspected his daughter wasnt working for the past two years.
I believe that alot ot the time Casey would pretend to go to work, drop off Caylee and return to the house after George had left for work. I think Casey would take full advantage of having those 3-4 hours of having the house and crucially the computer to herself . It would also be alot less hassle for Caylee to amuse herself in her own back yard with her playhouse and sand box.This girl grifted from one day to the next, she didnt have money for gas and she lived it seems by her facebook and myspace accounts. When she wanted/needed to be without Caylee, she could drop her off at Cindy’s office. Casey had invented a new job where she gets to work flexible hours and from home.
Im sure George was on to her but didnt dare rock the boat in an already volatile household. Strangley enough his cell phone records show he called the Anthony landline June 16th at 3.00pm.
I think Casey jacked in the real job at Universal because 1. it was straight 9-5 and she would REALLY have had to find a sitter. 2. It probably didnt pay much so anything she earned would go on child care. 3. For some unknown reason going on welfare wasnt an option for her. 4. Being officially unemployed would severely curtail getting out of babysitting duties. and 5. Grifting came naturally to her and she preferred being an event coordinator going to Valencia.
JMHO
Holy cow, what a night people!
I think for those who have doubt that Casey killed Caylee and those who believe, like I do, from all discovery released, that she is guilty of killing Caylee will forever be at at stalemate.
Those who believe Casey IS guilty will never be convinced otherwise and those who believe she is NOT guilty will never be convinced otherwise.
She will be convicted of murder. No Nanny = Casey did it.
Then a jury will decide DP or LWOP. Based on her age I do not think she will get the DP. And that is what I think….
LNY, IMO, Casey’s age won’t factor into whether she gets life or death. IMO, it’s the heinous nature of the crime that will play a HUGE part in her sentence.
jillycomelately said, on June 16, 2010 at 6:59 am: That seems right to me. I also think that even though there was no xanax in whatever was left to test, does not mean that casey never drugged Caylee. The anthony have stated that they kept Caylee most of the time when she wasn’t with casey. That, I think, was beginning to be a problem for casey. cindy worked full time then and was probably getting to an age that caring for an active toddler after work was getting tiresome. I think she was beginning to insist that casey take a more active role in caring for her own child. I believe it was more than likely a source of tension in an already tense household. And, sadly, I think that when casey wanted to go out and she couldn’t take Caylee, she knocked her out and put her in the trunk to sleep while she partied. The night that she and Caylee were in Ricardos bed comes to mind. casey surely didn’t drag herself out of bed, load up Caylee and take her home to a crazed cindy, and then drive back to Ricardos and go back to bed! I think she put her in the trunk with a little something, something to make her sleep.
As to involvement in drug activity, that was my first thought. However, there has never been any suggestion of drug traffic activity around casey. LE would have surely investigated that. Add to that the fact that if casey were being threatened that something would happen to Caylee, that threat has now been rendered moot…Caylee is dead and casey is safe, IMO, she would have sang like a canary.
Congratulations….there was almost a genuine discussion here last evening. It was refreshing to hear some reasons that some have doubts as to caseys guilt. I personally don’t see any indication that those reasons have merit, but that does not mean they do not. I would ask if anyone has seen ANY suggestion of drug traffic activity or of child pornography in this case?
As to the fingerprints…I do not believe there are ANY. That indicates to me that the prints were destroyed or that the killer wore gloves. IF someone other than casey killed Caylee, that persons prints should have been on the tape, but they were not, just like caseys were not. It means they were more than likely destroyed with time and the elements. This, IMO, renders the supposition that caseys prints were not on the tape (since she was not specifically ruled out, we can only suppose that they were not there) moot. All prints on the tape were evidently destroyed, therefore, proves/disproves nothing.
I, for one, haven’t seen anything that would make me believe there was drug traffic activity or child porn involved. IMO, it’s just a theory thought up by people who don’t believe in Casey’s guilt, and only because there really isn’t anything else to back up that opinion. Unless the defense brings that possibility up in court, jurors won’t be able to come to that kind of conclusion either, as they are to come to their decision based on evidence PRESENTED.
Removing the homicide charges and DP from the equation – is Casey guilty of neglect?
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I do tune out any posters who seem to imply that Casey is entirely innocent, regardless if they think she is deserving of being up on capital murder charge, or not. I also ignore them if they don’t actually present their opinions often, preferring to go on personal attacks against other posters.
I can respect a viewpoint like this one, as it does seem to be very clearly presented – and realistic: taybos said, on June 16, 2010 at 6:10 am
“Perhaps it is not so much that anyone believes Casey is necessarily completely innocent, but that they believe that there is no direct evidence that proves she is guilty of what she is being charged with and deserving a punishment of death. Correct me if I’m totally off-base, JB. Yeah, lots of people are convicted of murder based solely on circumstantial evidence, but how many of those are Death Penalty cases? That’s a whloe ‘nother ball of wax.”
In the interest of continued discussion today, I’d be really interested in hearing if ‘defenders’ (sorry, lacking a better word here…) think Casey is guilty of neglect? And if so, what punishment should she receive?
Frankie, I disagree about there not being a print. I believe there is a latent print, and IMO, it belongs to Casey. I say this because of the report that there were elimination prints done that eliminated Lee, Cindy, and George. I believe if Casey had been eliminated as well, the document would have stated that.
Frankie, from what I gleaned from the transcripts of those that knew Casey, they never knew her to be a drug user, but said she had started smoking pot on a reg basis lately, meaning since she was hanging with the new crowd.
Tony, as I recall was into the magic weed and from what others said Casey would parrot what those around her were doing so she would fit in.
Frankie. there is that one mystery print that came out with a doc dump, all that was ever said was George, Cindy & Lee were not a match, nothing was said about Casey.
And at the moment I can not recall if it was even said where the print was lifted from.
Mix we must have been typing at the same time.
LOL…great minds think alike.
ThoughtElf
I agree the person who stated their view on the guilt or innocence did so in a way that I think most of us can see eye to eye with.
The D.P. I think will always be a hot button topic, as there will be those that see it as completely wrong what ever the crime, and those like myself that see’s some crimes as deserving of such a punishment.
Now, in a case of circumstantial evidence, I think the evidence must be very compelling to the point that no other conclusion could be arrived at.
In case’s where children, the elderly, or the handicapped are the victims of heinous acts then I have to say I see the DP as a viable punishment.
Some seem to think those of us that feel Casey is guilty are dreadful hate filled persons that seek to fulfill a need for blood lust, I have to say I would have been fine if the DP had not been put on the table, and she was given a true LWOP sentence, but we all know there is no such sentence in reality.
All one has to do is look at those that received such sentence’s that somehow beat the system and were released only to kill again, now having said that, I do not know if Casey would ever kill again, BUT why should society be placed in the position of risk?
If the State can show beyond doubt that Casey murdered her child, then I am sorry imo, she deserves to face the harshest of punishments.
@JB, I said I believe in my heart that Casey killed Caylee. I respect your right to have your opinion that Casey may be innocent for the very limp reason that she did not leave. You think she did not leave because she thought Caylee was still alive. I have the opinion that she did not leave because as an unemployed loser she did not have the means to go anywhere. She would have had to steal ….plane..bus ..taxi fare.
Did she alert anyone in a position to find Caylee that she was MISSING? No. Imagine how different this whole case wouldl be if the grandparents had called the night Casey stormed out the door with Caylee, then did not see or hear from her for 31 days. Think of the DNA evidence that may still have been on her tiny body if it hadn’t been hidden for months in the rotting heat. The fact that her parents tried their best to misdirect the search attempt with false sightings and lie after lie after lie is the one and only reason there was nothing left of that poor child but bone.
I wish all of you Casey supporters would take the time to make this about who it is really about.. Caylee Anthony.
No pity here for any of the lying scheming Anthony family.
If someone without your permission has your daughter for 4+ weeks and will not answer your calls and return your child is most certainly neglect.
Mix, I go back and forth on her getting the DP. And then it is brought home about the heiniousness of the crime. (did I spell that right??!)
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If Cindy says that telling half-truths and mis-truths doesn’t make you a murderer, smoking pot does not either.
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jillycomelately said, on June 16, 2010 at 6:59 am
Totally agree with your scenario of what Casey did all day. She pretended to “drop Caylee off at the non-existant Nanny and go the non-existant job”. She would scurry back to the house when no-one was home, leave before they got home and then sit or drive around. I think Caylee spent a lot of time in her car seat. And according to her cell phone pings, she drove around the area all the time.
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I had mentioned way above regarding what she did and where she was all day was on paper. That paper is the text messages and C&G’s interviews…
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The totality of state evidence will convict that girl. Not just “one” piece of evidence.
Well, gott go to my nieces “graduation” from day care to Kindergarten. That should be cute
Judy,
I’m still holding out hope CM will plea her for LWOP.
frankie said, on June 16, 2010 at 8:34 am
I would ask if anyone has seen ANY suggestion of drug traffic activity or of child pornography in this case?
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frankie, I myself have not… accept that Nick Savage was assigned as chief FBI man.
As for drug trafficking Casey imo does not fit the profile, infact she seems to have been pretty anti drugs and she wasnt a great drinker. And as far as I am concerned the evidence strongly indicates Caylee’s dead body was in that trunk, ergo there was NO kidnapping.
There seems to be two distinct groups she was hanging with in the months leading up to Caylee’s death and notably Cindy and George didnt know any of them. Riccardo it seems might have been the one that introduced Casey to smoking pot and she apparently indulged but nothing heavy. Reading Riccardo’s THREE released interviews I get the impression they parted because their relationshjp wasnt developing. Nate, Tony’s room-mate told detectives Casey was dropping the L word to Tony about 3 weeks into their relationship and it seems Tony deliberately played on that by talking about returning to NY. Her pot use seems to have increased a bit but still nothing too disturbing. I think this is the extent of drug invlolvement in this case.
I agree that things in the Anthony household were tense and imo escalating. The month of April is interesting. Casey reaches an all time low by stealing a check from her grandfather’s assisted living account. She uses it to pay a $354.00 cell phone bill. Over the last couple of months, if Riccardo is to be believed Caylee was spending SEVERAL nights at his place. I can’t imagine Cindy would be pleased about that. In April neighbour Jean Couty witnesses fight # 1 between Casey and Cindy in their front yard. He states he heard Casey tell her mother “F*ck you” and then she went for a jog. Cindy seeks counselling in April and speaks of getting custody of Caylee.
I think as you say Cindy was getting fed up by being put apon, she wanted her daughter to straighten up. Im sure lost of insults were traded and Cindy made it clear WHO her priority was. Caylee in Casey’s mind had now clearly replaced Casey in the affections of her parents. To her parents , she was the highschool drop out liar, thief, waster.
I believe Casey came to be jealous of her own child whom imho she had never fully bonded with. I think the narcisist in Casey couldnt bear her mother and father transferring their love to Caylee. Not only that but Caylee was in her head preventing her from getting the man of her dreams. I think her desire for a mate plays a big part in this tragedy.
Im reminded of that chilling first phone call from the jhail house when she wanted Tony’s number ” They just want Caylee back”
A big part of the State’s case is that this was a cold calculated premeditated act, so I have to believe (as Im truly off the fence) they have some damning proof of this. And for that I would look to the thus far unpublished computer records. Im not talking about chloroform searches. Im not so sure chloroform actually was ever used on Caylee. There are many OTC drugs that can sedate a child. But we do know from what has been published so far that large amounts of files were deleted on the desktop. And we know Casey likes to write. Also the subject of missing children websites has featured in more than a few interviews.
Sorry for long post and as alwasy JMHO
Yep….I had forgotten that one print, but was it on the tape? I didn’t think it was. At any rate, if it is on the tape and LE cannot identify it, I say reasonable doubt. If it was on the tape and it is casey’s wouldn’t LE have to release that information to the defense? If it is NOT caseys, IMO that would be exculpatory and a Brady violation as described in the above article by Mr. Sheaffer if the State does not release to the defense.
FBI has that evidence, and IIRC, they aren’t under the jurisdiction of the state of Florida, so they can release it whenever they’re finished with all their testing.
Beast, 6:53 am, I agree with your explanation, of course, they don’t want to hear it, an opinion based on nothing is just that, the person will NOT be forthcoming on WHY this is their opinion or provide any reasonable explanations because in most cases, they can’t or there are none. They are certainly entitled to do so & those of us that base our opinions on the known facts in the case are just wasting our time sharing the facts we based our opinion on.
There are certainly those, that thought: OJ was innocent of murdering 2 innocent people, that Scott Peterson really didn’t murder Lacy & his unborn child, & that Micheal Jackson NEVER really had any plastic surgery. They base on their opinions not on facts, but, claim it is just their opinions, just feelings, NO ONE SAW THEM DO IT.
For those that try to “create scenarios in which the evidence does not support,” I say sit back & watch 12 intelligent jurors, people with common sense, people considering all of the evidence, & see what verdict KC receives. Pay close attention to the evidence as it will be laid out for you, day by day. At the end of the day, THESE are the ONLY OPINIONS that matter! They will be people like us, basing their OPINIONS on the FACTS, no scenarios they imagine or “feelings they have,” just the facts in the case.
Wendy Murphy, Law Professor & Legal Analyst that wrote a good article on the EXCEPTIONS to the Sunshine Law, said, “It is NOT what the STATE has released to the public, it is WHAT HASN’T BEEN RELEASED that bloggers should consider.” Val Hal had a LONG list of items that there has been NO INFORMATION released in Doc Dumps on whether there were prints or not. We may not know this until trial.
judypc, I will accept whatever verdict KC receives, I agree with LindaNY, the totality of the circumstantial evidence, imo, will convict KC, just like it convicted Scott Peterson & Melanie McGuire just to name two. Hopefully, Baez will come up some kind of defense for KC because Jeffery Ashton’s description of Caylee’s last moments on this earth when arguing against Lyon’s for the DP to be left on the table, left the Defense speechless & the Legal Analyst & host of IN SESSION saying: Incredible! We have just seen what will likely be the closing argument for the STATE! They were without exceptions “applauding his argument & presentation” & warning the Defense has an uphill battle to overcome the circumstantial evidence in this case.”
I, too, am holding out hope that Casey will plea, but I don’t really see it happening after 2 years of lying. If she pleaded guilty in exchange for LWOP instead of death, then she would have to admit she killed Caylee. Since Casey hasn’t taken ownership of anything she’s done, I don’t see it starting now.
art tart said, on June 16, 2010 at 10:50 am
For those that try to “create scenarios in which the evidence does not support,” I say sit back & watch 12 intelligent jurors, people with common sense, people considering all of the evidence, & see what verdict KC receives. Pay close attention to the evidence as it will be laid out for you, day by day. At the end of the day, THESE are the ONLY OPINIONS that matter! They will be people like us, basing their OPINIONS on the FACTS, no scenarios they imagine or “feelings they have,” just the facts in the case.
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Great summary art tart
And lets not forget this jury will hear the evidence over a 4-6 week period only.
Some of us are slightly de-sensitized.
@Taybos
taybos said, on June 16, 2010 at 6:24 am
JB, don’t you just love that if you have even the slightest difference in opinion, you’re automatically not well-read on the case?!
Cuz, you know if you WERE well-read on the case, you couldn’t possibly have developed your own opinion, you’d be right in-line with the robot opinion.
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Exactly, I like your analogy “robot opinion” Thank you very much.
The recent appearance of the Anthonys on TV analyzed:
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/06/george-and-cindy-anthony-speak.html
also, there is prior analysis of the 911 call made by Cindy.
Bill S: always a voice of reason! I wish he would be on more often!
jillycomelately: 9:56am, excellent comment & imo, accurate. We will see these people again during the trial. All of these people will help the STATE fill in their timeline of events.
mixologist74, I truly hope the that the Entire Defense Team, NOT JUST BAEZ, makes the best decision in KC’s best interest in her defense. imo, Baez made so many mis-steps & bad decisions before competent attorney’s joined the case, that the Defense is where they are now because of some of them. WHAT IS KC’s best interest? CAN they PROVE she didn’t murder Caylee? Some may say they just have to “create reasonable doubt.” Thus far, there has been “NO REASONABLE Doubt” forthcoming or believable from the Defense but they are still looking. Motion after Motion being denied, in one of B Sheaffer’s commentary interviews w/K Belisch he warned: “It was time this Defense buckled down & worked on KC’s defense.” The grand standing & TV appearances have finally stopped, I guess Baez did recognize what an idiot he looked like when whining about a “change of venue” because of the publicity, certainly not taking any responsibility for causing a lot of it.” LMAO when Judge S pointed out the “irony was rich!”
This case is a Defense Team’s nightmare, imo, many of their own making with the assistance of the Anthony’s. imo, if this case continues as it is going & the Defense doesn’t come up with anything Viable or Creditable in KC’s defense, Lyon’s may pressure the defense into asking for a plea to SAVE KC’s life. The stress & fear show on Lyon’s face, she truly worries for KC & I don’t see her bluffing her way through a trial in which KC could receive the DP, jmo.
Hello Amazed,
I appreciate and consider your opinions as well. We all have life experiences that hold the key to our opinions and gut feelings. It’s great when we all can bring part of this to the table in discussions.
So I’ll explain, Casey had access to Amy’s money which could have gotten her a bus ticket to somewhere. LE would have found her car and maybe think she and Caylee were missing and in danger. She could have actually called Cindy and said I’m not coming home too. Caylee and I are starting a new life. What could Cindy do? Casey’s a adult w/child and doesn’t owe her parents any explanation. I’m not saying LE wouldn’t have eventually caught up with Casey, but it may have taken a year or two. Who knows. Adults go missing everyday. Casey had this option and didn’t take it.
“Robot Opinion”? Give me a freakin’s break. Common sense opinion is more like it. Reading all the discovery and basing the fact that Casey is guilty on that evidence is NOT robot opinion. I assume there are “Casey is innocent” blogs, like jbmission’s, where people can discuss her innocence. I would think that is where discussing her innocence would make more sense. Since I do not think she is innocent I wouldn’t participate, Again, there will forever be a “stalemate” with the one’s who think she is guilty and those who do not. Niether side wll convince the other.
HA, should have been “freakin’ ” break not freakin’s.
BUT jb, she didn’t! She killed Caylee instead. Coulda, shoulda, woulda.
jb mission, the problem is imo, KC was at least smart enough to know she couldn’t run & start a new life. She would have been brought back to Orlando on a warrant for “stealing Amy’s money/identity.” The little bit of money KC stole from Amy wouldn’t have gotten her very far & she would then have had: no place to stay, no transportation, no money,no job skills, nothing. KC isn’t bright, nor educated, nor independent. Though legally by age KC is an adult, but imo, she is functioning on a high school emotional level, refer: writing her name over and over Casey Lazario. Writing ridiculous letters to jail friend with immature ideas of her future, not even now being able to recognize she isn’t leaving her NEW home! Very emotionally immature for a young adult, her emotional IQ seems on a high school level, not that of a young adult & mother with a remote clue of providing a future for herself or Caylee. KC never saw past what she felt entitled to.
KC, imo, wanted to be rid of Caylee, NOT her relationship with Tony & her friends. KC LOVED bumping & grinding at Fusion, she loved NOT working & playing on the computer all day, she loved texting over 500 messages & mentioning Caylee’s name once, she loved moving in on every guy she could hoping she could stay, she only saw la bella vita in her future, a future that didn’t include the “little snot head.” A future, imo, that didn’t include a new life in which KC would have had to support herself, KC was looking for love, she wanted to HANG with the single crowd, but, she had a child in tow, all these things kept KC hanging around Orlando. LE would have caught up with KC as soon as she used he social security number. CA wouldn’t have let it rest, NOT with Caylee gone, imo. The Anthony’s knew KC was incapable of supporting Caylee & imo, would have immediately located KC in a short period of time.
I thought this is a good article in Crimesider by Robin Sax, former Prosecutor who also went over some of the damning evidence against KC:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20002772-504083.html?tag=mncol;lst;8
jb mission has a BLOG? I know there are blogs for people that believe in Ghosts, Aliens, Spaceships, Elvis sightings, etc. There is certainly a place for everyone, true LNY, it isn’t robotic opinions, it is opinions based on fact. LOL! Sometimes, you have to read these responses twice because they are unbelievable! LOL!
@Peter…that is a VERY interesting article.
Yes, jb has a blog. Just click on her name. Im not knocking it. It is pro-not guilty, reasonable doubt, investigating others type thing. I don’t agree, therefore wouldn’t join in the conversation.
@JB, I don’t see Casey leaving her comfort zone until she had a well established comfort zone elsewhere. That was not being offered to her, and since she had drainned Any’s account dry taking care of all of Tony’s wants and needs to impress him, that option was out. She had also been outed yet again for stealing from her family, so that option was out.
This spoiled rotten brat would not be languishing in jail to cover for anyone, if there is PROOF of her innocence it would have been screamed from the roof tops long ago. Add to that the fact that not her, not one of her family members has ever done anything to look for another killer, and that pretty much tells the tale.
And they’re OFF…Its LindaNewYork in front by a neck..
Cmon ArtTart…my moneys on you!! You can do it!!
BTW artart and Peter, thanks for the links. Interesting reads, especially the Georga and Cindy Anthonyspeak.
Amazed,
Yes, I’ve heard that argument before but I don’t think any comfort zone is worth facing life in prison or possibly the ultimate penalty. LOL, that’s just me. I will NEVER profess to KNOW what Casey is about because of the fact I’ve never met her. But AGAIN, that’s just me. I see Casey in a different light than you do. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Proof?
There may be no proof of her innocence but that’s not for her attorney’s job. The state has to prove her guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
I apologize for the tone of my comment, but evil lurks and any sign of weakness will be pounced on by the tribunal. LOL Sorry Amazed.
It’s a jungle out there!! Watch out.
And its you taking UP THE REAR, jb.
You are a very funny gal.
Hello Art and Linda,
I see your not happy with “robot opinion”? I say deal with it. LOL
JB.. up until now, Casey Anthony was never held responsible for anything she had ever done wrong in her life. That is obvious in her treatment of her parents on the jail tapes, it is obvious in her arrogant tone on the phone tapes demanding Tony’s number, because of course that was the most urgent thought in her head at the time of her arrest. She was so sure that she would get away with this too, because all she ever had to do was intimidate her family into accepting her explanations, and that’s exactly what she thought would happen in this case. Her arrognce kept her there, and her arrogance will get her convicted. There should be a cell for Cindy and George right next to her for their cover up of the crime.
Thing One and Thing Two,
Seem to have their panties in a wad, AGAIN!! Chill out and try to have a nice day like I am. Carry on. I’m loving it!!
I was trying to be nice, but…JB your blog is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in my life. Go back and take a 3rd look at 817 Brackenwood drive LOL!
Words of wisdom from jb: “After a year and a half of debates and discussions surrounding Casey Anthony’s motives, means and operandi, I’ve been able to form an opinion or explanation on just about everything”.
Lets give the ole gal a hand.
People like you who cannot get their points across intelligently, ultimately resort to name calling.
jbmission, I visited your blog and certainly see why you started one! That’s a great idea for you!
I offered you my opinion backed up with facts, not speculation in response to your comment that KC could have just taken off. Of course, you are not interested in that nor will you respond with any known facts.. There are tons of facts available, you don’t NEED to meet KC, KC may well be known to more people that follow true crime that any other suspect known before because of the MEDIA, the Sunshine Law, the DOC DUMPS, Jail Videos, her parent’s,the propaganda by both her parent’s, interviews of KC, interviews of her friends, depositions of many in the case, the list is endless, etc.
On WebSlueth’s, speculation not based on fact isn’t allowed. Is your blog based on: Opinions based on fact, NOT ALLOWED, ONLY speculation here? That would explain alot to alot of us. I won’t comment on your comments anymore, I said this once before but I kept thinking you would ADMIT perhaps you hadn’t considered the KNOWN FACTS, but that will NEVER happen. I will just watch you!
I think her blog is more based on a Tequila bottle. LOL!
I agree artart, she is just looking for a fight. I will try to ignore as well.
Where’d she go. Is she cooking pork chops in her trunk??
OK, enough.
http://billsheaffer.wordpress.com/2010/05/25/what-did-the-supremes-mean/#comment-19650
This is Bill Sheaffer’s blog in case you didn’t notice. LOL
You Gals have a nice day.
I’m going shopping and meet my husband. I’ll be back later if you still have the NEED to post more inane comments addressed to me.
I always get a good laugh when I read them. I just hope others enjoy them as well.
You Gals enjoy and try to be nice! LOL
JB
Why do you think casey wasn’t planning on leaving town? She sure told Mark Hawkins she was planning to do exactly that. casey is incredibly lucky, but she is also incredibly stupid. Her staying in Orlando doesn’t say anything at all about her guilt or innocence. It just shows her procrastination. I think she was planning on leaving, but Amy’s money wouldn’t have gotten her very far nor would it have helped her set up an apartment, etc. She sure wasn’t going to work for anything. She didn’t work when she could have lived at home and blew all her money on partying…why would she leave and have to spend all her money on living? I think that going to California was thwarted when MarkieMark indicated he was not going to support her nor send her money to come see him. She was looking to get out, but as time went on and Caylee’s disappearance wasn’t immediately discovered, she just kept putting it off.
JB, don’t give the “poor me” crapola. I can take it and dish it right back and that is exactly what you were asking for.
Moving forward, I have no problem ignoring your comments and imagine you will have no problem ignoring mine. STALEMATE.
Enjoy your shopping. Have a drink and mellow out.
frankie, speaking of Mark Hawkins, WHERE is his depo??????
artart, am I “Thing One” or are you? LOL!
amazed, I agree with your comment, too, CA is unable to take any personal responsibility either, making excuses that KC wasn’t pregnant to Rick Pleasa when he was laughing his butt off at CA even calling her an idiot at his wedding, CA BLAMING Bank of America because she tried to scam them by NOT paying the mortgage but taking her $20,000.00, FACT ADMITTED IN DEPOSITION, & taking a cruise, getting a tattoo, etc. YEP! KC is just like her parent’s, lying, not taking any personal responsibility,blaming others, thinking EVERYONE is stupid but them, acting disrespectfully to those who were GENUINELY were looking for Caylee.
The emails between CA & Rick Pleasa too were very telling of the length CA was willing to go to lie for KC & sadly the dynamics of the Anthony household. I wonder what Grandma Pleasa & Rick think of this mess today. Only CA can help herself, only KC can help KC. They ALL need to take personal responsibility as most adults do without ever thinking about it. WHY? Because it is honest, because it is what most people base their value systems on.
Amazed, the thing is, imo, if KC get LWOP, the ANT’s will be doing the “TIME with her!” Everyday calling them collect, screaming & cussing them, blaming them for Caylee’s death, etc. I would hope by that time that would seek counseling, come to grips with what KC has done to their family & their participation in it, & try to move forward in their lives. KC can’t be saved, she couldn’t be saved when they sealed her “juvey record,” imo, the ANT’s need to try to save themselves & recognize that Caylee deserved the JUSTICE she will receive.
frankie, that is a good point & I will agree IF KC was going to leave town, it would have been to move in on Mark Hawkins but that was only another Dream or Plan, just like she writes in jail house letters, ridiculous, not remotely possible. TRUE! MH wasn’t interested in her coming, he KNEW KC’s CON! KC had a lot of dreams & ideas, seems none materialized.
My point was that KC wasn’t going to move anywhere to support herself, get a job, catch a bus to work or do anything to support herself because she had NEVER supported herself or Caylee in her life in which I stated in my comment. For KC to leave, she would have had to have a substantial amount of money. Didn’t KC tell Tony that she stole Amy’s money because she needed a plan? DUH! She spent Amy’s money on food for Tony & his roommate & on KC! Bet if she hadn’t brought sex, food, & a willingness to be the maid for Tony & his roommate & cook, she wasn’t going to get to HANG in that situation much longer either. Tony wasn’t interested in Caylee, or, any girl with a child since he was in school.
KC too might have felt that Caylee’s body was never going to be found, guess she forgot about her old friend Kio Marie.
I think most people would agree Casey Anthony is not playing with a full deck so attempting to predict her actions or rationalise them is a non starter imo.
Anyone who could murder her child then drive to her boyfriends place with her dead daughter in the trunk needs a whole classification of their own. Imo the evidence supports this scenario.
She may have long wanted to be rid of Caylee but imo there was no great master plan ready to implemented. Maybe she had only got as far as downloading the one tree hill nanny kidnap episode.
I think mid June 08 Casey Anthony was totally consumed by the latest boyfriend. Maybe she thought he would make her lead singer of that band he was planning and atake her to NY.
I believe there had to be a trigger. June 15th we know she had made a date with Lazarro for the following evening. And we know she kept it.. What did she plan to do with Caylee. All those calls to Cindy and George that went unanswered. And at night Tony’s apartment was a child free zone unlike Riccardo’s. There would be no three in a bed with Tony.
I can only imagine something sent her into a violent rage. She wasnt getting what she wanted and it was all Caylee’s fault. What does it take to layer three pieces duct tape over your baby’s face.
She’s a f****ing monster.
And dont those jailhouse letters just confirm her very loose grip on reality.
Irish baby, Thelma and Lousie. One’s facing the DP and the other a minimum of 10 years.
JB, don’t give the “poor me” crapola. I can take it and dish it right back and that is exactly what you were asking for.
Moving forward, I have no problem ignoring your comments and imagine you will have no problem ignoring mine. STALEMATE.
Enjoy your shopping.
“”"”"”"Have a drink and mellow out.”"”"”"”"
hahaha…too funny. Good One!! So I’m an alcoholic?? Whoa.. But I expected much better. tsk tsk..
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artart, am I “Thing One” or are you? LOL!
hahaha..It’s so hard to be an adult, isn’t it Linda???
So much for the ignore button. Where’s your self control gal ??
Now I’m done!! Thanks for the laughs. You GALS are crraaaazzzy!!
Oh geez. Sometime’s ya gott stoop down to someone else’s level. So I sunk to yours. Saying have a drink and mellow out was not calling you an alcoholic. And calling people thing one and thing two is NOT being an adult, now is it?
Glad I could amuse you as much as you amused me.
jillycomelately, I certainly agree, KC is not playing with a full deck, what a dreamer & a schemer she is. YEP! The jail house letters, imo, do confirm her maturity level & how NOT in touch with reality she is. I wonder IF anyone on her defense team really explains to her she may well lose her life or spend the rest of her life in prison. Certainly there is no remorse or sadness shared or shown even in court. We do see her anger, but that’s too bad. imo, Lyon’s has probably explained her situation to her clearly.
It reminds me of watching Misty Croslin on her jail house videos, she is looking at approximatively 85 yrs. in prison, she doesn’t seem to grasp that it will be the rest of her life either. She whines & cries about how miserable she is, claiming it is because of Haleigh she is sitting in jail, not remotely in touch with being responsible for being caught DISTRIBUTING DRUGS, in Fla. it is a minimum of 15 yrs. & thats for a small amount, Misty has more than 5 counts against her. JEEZ!
Today in the Orlando Sentinel, EXCLUSIVEl:
WILD CAYLEE ANTHONY ALIVE THEORY LANDS IN COURT FILE!
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-zenaida-gonzalez-20100616,0,2828211.story
LNY: I don’t know where that interview is….hmmmm, MarkyMark is an enigma. I do know that shortly after this became public, I went to his MySpace page. He had Caylee listed as one of his heroes and stated she was the bravest/strongest little girl he knew. I don’t remember which adjective he used, but it struck me as very odd. At that time, if he believed casey, Caylee was supposed to be running barefoot on sun drenched beaches and visiting the happiest place on earth. If he believed, as most thinking adults did, Caylee was already dead, the comment was odd. So, since I had come across his MySpace with that odd comment, I have tried to follow any information on him because I think he is a vital link in this case. I have not, however, ever found his interview. I would be highly interested in seeing it if anyone knows where I might find it.
Jilly…I wonder if the catalyst was casey throwing Caylee in the car after the big fight. Caylee would have been upset and crying for her CeeCee. It is a pet theory of mine that casey put the tape over her mouth to shut her up.
Art,
McIntyre posted his asinine theories on every blog he could that didn’t ban him. Most reputable ones quickly rid themselves of him. You could amuse yourself for hours if you google him.
The poor soul needs as much or more help than Joy Wray.
ThoughtElf, I kept thinking I had seen his name or read his comments on other blogs, I just couldn’t remember which. I also read that he had been banned on some blogs too. What a nut! Just another blogger “Interjecting himself into the case!” LOL!
Oh, this guy has a sordid history of injecting himself in cases. Not just Caylee’s.
Crappy night. 2 Years ago, Caylee was possibly, probably in the trunk of KC’s car, while she snuggled up and watched movies with Tony.
Crappy, cruddy, crummy night.
ThoughtElf, wonder if KC thought about it today? From her jail house letters, it didn’t appear she thought about Caylee too much, just mostly about herself & her plans for the future, I guess she still sees la bella avita in her future! NOT!
To think little Caylee would have been going to pre-school or kindergarten in the fall, being around children her age, singing & playing with her friends,having circle time & reading books, overwhelmingly sad that she was robbed of the joy of just being a kid.
Hal Boedeker weighed in on GMA’s interview, I always enjoy the comments from his bloggers. Hal noted that the Anthony’s always leave the viewer’s outraged!
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/?p=16705
Jilly, I asked where Caylee had been kept in the months leading up to her murder, I supoose I should have defined that “months leading up to her murder would mean say Jan ’08 – June ’08″ for example. Someone proclaimed as fact that it is in writing in the docs and it is not. Brittany Scheiber, Lauren Coppel, Jesse Grund, nor his parents were watching Caylee and Casey was not on maternity leave. Some people speculate she was drugged and kept in the trunk and some speculate other theories, but the fact is, it is NOT in writing in all the docs! I’m shooting down someone’s claim that it is a fact.
I haven’t read the rest of the comments. Maybe I’ll come back another time. Some folks seem to prefer to engage themselves in the back and forth tirades. It’s too bad that people do this to Bill’s blog. I could understand if it was an entirely free forum, but someone’s name is attached to it and it’s continually used to spew hatred towards those that don’t agree with oneself. Unfortunately, it doesn’t look like it’s going to change.
Without naming names, could anyone explain why some people don’t just get over themselves and stop whining….seriously, do they drink heavily? LOL
How sad…I followed the link and am reading some of the comments. Miracle2 pointed out that it is the anniversary of Caylee’s last smile.
Someone is talking about georges tat and how bad it is. I hadn’t thought about that, but it does seem ….er…uh…unprofessional…mmmm…oh, I know, UGLY! I’m nor big fan of tattoos, but that thing is just stupid looking!
taybos, GA said in his deposition that CA & GA watched Caylee nearly all the time but they both had jobs. KC didn’t need someone to watch Caylee during the day because she didn’t have a job, she was able to do at least that I am assuming as NO ONE has ever admitted to watching Caylee since the Grund’s, only a few people have said they ever saw KC & Caylee during the day. KC wanted everyone to think she worked. Of course there was the Phantom Zanny story that KC came up with & the Anthony’s support, of course, NO ONE has ever met her & most think she never existed except in KC’s imagination. Some speculate that KC would leave the house with Caylee, and then return as soon as GA went to work and she slept. To my knowledge, it has never been disclosed in any doc dump exactly what KC did, imo, it is not really even important in the big scheme of things what she was doing during the day. What would be important is what KC did with Caylee at night IF GA/CA were not watching her & KC was responsible for Caylee. With the cell phone pings & her incessant use, the STATE probably knows at least the area where KC was every single day during the 31 days.
I have always wondered where Caylee & KC went, was it to Lee’s apartment, did she have a key, she stole from Lee before, would he even allow it? I don’t remember reading that KC & Caylee were seen much during the day, most of KC’s friends thought she had a job. We may never know this exactly because I guess KC would be the only one that could tell us.
I agree with most of what you say, art tart. But I’m specifally speaking of the time before the 31 days and I believe it IS important where Caylee was during the day because she was unaccounted for quite a bit of the time. The times specifically when George & Cindy were told by Casey that Caylee was at the nanny’s and she was not with Casey.
This has been referenced quite a bit and I will cite Jesse Grund’s LE interview to show that…
JG: Here is my thought in regards to finding whoever this nanny is. Because before Caylee went missing on the 15th I believe that there were days where Caylee was
supposedly with the nanny, or let’s, let’s backtrack. Caylee was supposedly with mom and wasn’t with mom. I don’t know specific dates, but let’s just play that out for example. Casey tells her friends that Caylee is with her mother. Caylee’s, and
you ta…you’d speak with Cindy and Caylee’s not with mom. Well then Caylee has to be somewhere because up until the 15th she was around.
EE: And that’s what I’ve communicated with Lee.
JG: So…
EE: Lee. We’ve talked to friends. We’ve talked to boyfriends. And we afforded Casey an opportunity to talk with us and she went down the path that none of us understand. Now your mother needs to come in and say on the calendar books, I know I had the baby this day, this day, this day and this day. Now
through our investigative efforts, which take us all over the place for surveillance videos everywhere, the days that mom says I didn’t have her this day, but I can show a surveillance video at a target or whatever, with Casey alone, or not Casey, (making tapping sound), where was the baby that day? Now I can isolate that day’s phone records and try to see if there was communication between a nanny. But the difficult part is we’re not getting that level of cooperation.
I don’t understand how you can say that where she was during the day is not important. The LE seems to think it’s important enough to question witnesses about it get surveillance videos and do calendars to attempt to figure it out. I just don’t get you on that part. I guess you interpret it much differently than I do. And that’s ok. There’s not a whole lot more I can say on this specific topic.
I’m out for the night. I can barely stay awake. =D
taybos, you are right, I didn’t say it correctly, what I meant was that by the evening, CA & GA watched Caylee most of the time according to GA & she was safe, but I agree, it is puzzling. I just assumed that KC watched her during the day before the 31 days but I have never read this as fact & do agree, she may well have been not accounted for a lot during that time as JG is pointing out. For some reason, I thought you meant during the day, but I understand your comment now, I misinterpreted it. I have not read much about where Caylee was BEFORE the 31 days missing except the accounting by the Grund’s, the former sitters, & GA saying they watched Caylee. I have always found it strange that no one else came forward with any information. I too am curious about this but have never seen more information.
When I said it was not important before the 31 days, poor choice of words on my part, sorry, I just meant that Caylee was at least alive by all accounts of her family. I see where you are referring to specific conversations with JG, & I agree with what you are saying & understand now, where was Caylee during specific times that Jesse points out or specifically, where was Caylee when she wasn’t with CA/GA or KC. She had to be somewhere but I don’t know, I guess she could have been in KC’s trunk as some speculated because she had to be somewhere. That is a sickening thought & I have not read known facts in any doc dump that she was in the trunk specifically but it is plausible. I wonder if LE/State Attorney’s know the answer to this question?
Taybos
Let be clarify something
My post was not in response to YOU. Generally when I respond to SOMEONE as opposed to a general theme, I address that person.
However, If I have stated something contrary to the discovery in RELATION to August 9th till April 06, I would genuinely appreciate being set straight.
But I dont think that’s what your’e saying.
Now unless you’re from the blog police………..I will continue offering opinion whilst clearly not stating it as FACT.
I am guilty and will stop responding and being baited into riduclousness.
I am the one that said it is in writing (her text msgs, cell phone pings, Cindy depos) where Casey was everday during those 31 days according to. I was kinda being a wise-a**. According to the cell phone pings during that time, it seems she was driving around the Anthony house OR at the Anthony house AFTER her parents went to work.
I believe that is what she was doing also PRIOR to June 16, 2008. It seems as a security guard, George worked afternoons into evening. I believe no one saw her during the day coz most were at work or school. I mentioned that Caylee probably spent a lot of time in her car seat during the day. If she was put in the trunk during the day, in Florida heat….well you know what would have happened. Casey faked e-mails to herself saying she had to work in the evening (more than once?) so her parents would watch Caylee and she would out and do whatever.
I want to go back and see all the info in discovery related the the time PRIOR to June 16, 2008. I am not sure where to start. I’ve read everything as it was released, ad nauseum, but cannot remeber right now where to begin to look for that info.
There seems to be more info on Casey’s whereabouts DURING the 31 days than before that. But I think the lkely scenario is driving around or going back to the house with Caylee while G&C were at work.
frankie: I have been wondering for a long time where that interview with M. Hawkins (and Mallory!) is for a long time. Sorrect me if I am wrong (and I’m sure someone will-lol), if LE is STILL investigating something OR someone, than that info is held back until investiggation is completed??
Apologies again for my part in “arguing” with another!!
(I hope I made sense-terrible allergies, clogged up head!)
casey never left Caylee in the trunk during the day in FL during the summer. She would have died in minutes. That being said, I firmly believe she did put her in the trunk sometimes at night. I think that is the logical conclusion on the night that she left Ricardo’s bed after midnight with Caylee and returned later that same night without Caylee. I also think she sedated her when she put her in the trunk to keep her from crying out and someone discovering her. During the day, I think she simply left her at home or in the abandoned house down the street. She kept Caylee up late at night partying. An exhausted child may very well have taken a nap for several hours while mommy was out and about. Now before all you normal people appallingly say that can’t be true, remember, MOTY put 3 pieces of duct tape over her mouth…casey was capable of a lot of stupidity. We will never know what she did with Caylee, because she is not talking, her parents are liars and even if casey speaks….who will believe her?
Under normal circumstances, LE might trace her through financial transactions. But casey is a thief. She lived on stolen cash and her mothers credit cards. IMO cindy purposefully refused to turn over credit card records knowing that security videos would be taped over after 30 days. casey worked for a bit in retail….she knew those tapes were only kept for about 30 days. She knew and so did her parents that if they could delay turning over the records for even a little longer, there would be no way to trace casey’s movements. The anthonys IMO are guilty as sin of obstruction.
I think it is very incriminating that NO ONE has ever come forward in the six months prior to Caylee’s death and said that they watched Caylee for even an hour or so. casey had something worked out so that she could escape her baby for a few hours and it sure was NOT Imaginanny.
LNY: LOL We are all guilty of that. It is hard being called names and ridiculed with twisted words and NOT respond. Sometimes all of us run off the high road.
I think it is ridiculous that some claim casey MUST be innocent because LE can’t solve her and her family’s stupid little riddles. They hope reasonable doubt will be created because LE can’t find out about her activities. BS, BS…..if anyone believes that imaginanny exists, they are incredibly gullible. Had there been a nanny, someone besides casey would have at some point in time, seen her. casey would give a valid address or at least be able to lead LE to an occupied residence even if that home was vacated. casey would have a phone number that they could trace back to imaginanny. This imaginanny is just that…imaginary and a lie.
Have to run out for a bit! BBL
Gosh, did George, upon smelling the car at tow yard, say:
Please don’t let this be my pork chop? Or pork loin roast, or old Arby’s beef sandwich?
Or did he say, upon smelling the stench of human decomp…please don’t let this be my Caylee…
So, to summarize, we have 2 cadaver dogs, one human detective, one grandfather, one grandmother in a 911 call, all on same page and ALL alerting to presence of…DEAD BODY……………
…….further we have human death banded hair, air analysis, and coffin flies and grave wax reported/found among items in and on her car trunk area…
and in addition the statements of tow manager regarding same smell as prior car in his lot where a dead body had been….
Unlike defense spin, and it’s hacks who post deliberate, misleading nonsense, jurors are not stupid….
The whole “I lied on the 911 call to get police to come” is the most absurd thing I have ever heard.
If the car did not smell of death, how does one then explain, the man at the tow yard saying “ the smell knocked you back, and he was afraid to open the trunk”
And George telling the FBI, “ I have smelled that smell, I know that smell, (then puking).
How do you explain det. Yuri saying, “ The smell I smelled was the smell of decomp”
Now, as to the police coming quick, how many believe they would not have come quickly for a missing child?
The Anthony’s are some sick puppies, the whole damn lazy, lying, leeching, bunch of them.
judy…
….and so are those that offer up pork chop claims etc….sick and disturbed individuals IMO….
Good morning everyone, LNY, I knew I had read somewhere that LE thought that KC was around the neighborhood & went back to the house when GA left, but I couldn’t remember who exactly said it or where I read it. I figured she returned & slept, Caylee could have played with ALL her stuff with the doors locked and would have bee safe inside w/ KC, imo, KC certainly didn’t want to be alone in the house with GA because he knew her games, he knew she was a liar, & CA wasn’t there to tell GA to “shut up or diffuse the situation!”
LindaNY, it is my understanding that UNLESS the State or the Defense request a copy of the deposition, they will NOT be released to the Media. Baez did request Lee’s/GA/CA’s & they were released. imo, perhaps Mallory’s didn’t contribute much so it wasn’t requested nor did M Hawkins. Mallory’s was short & Baez attended, the depositions are costly & Baez didn’t have the STATE paying for them for KC at that time. Baez has requested 8 of the Depositions the State did that they WILL be released to the media upon request. I don’t know which 8 he wants. LE interviews were released but the depositions are legal documents & are costly. Can’t wait to read the 8 that Baez is getting.
imo, the MOST important deposition in this case will be “Dominic Casey’s” because he has everything to lose & not much to gain but his freedom. Judge Pirro said over a year ago he would be arrested for obstruction, he has not. D Casey was “cozy” was all the players in Caylee’s case, he was “ordered to do an Investigative Deposition with the State” with BAEZ NOT being a part of it. It was abruptly canceled by the STATE, no further information. Did D Casey get Full immunity in exchange for what he knows, WHO really sent him to look for Caylee & WHY? Diane Tennis has CONCLUDED her representation of DC, is he safe now with immunity? We may not know this too until trial.
OSCO Angelo Nieves & Deputy Carlos Padilla will do depositions with the STATE today.
http://www.wesh.com/news/23930725/detail.html
hahahahaha…RS, that is hysterical!! Today, I needed a laugh and you have given ti to me with:
Please don’t let this be my pork chop?
ROFLMAO like you would not believe.
OK, now badk to the other comments!
hi art tart.
I guess I am a little confused with LE interviews and SAO depos and how/why released, although I thought had that under control. The state and/or defense would have to request interviews from LE. Now, the SAO has interviewed C&G&LEE (ha-it rhymes), so the defense requests copies (evn though they were there) and that is released the the public. BUT LE or SAO releases info via “discovery”(?) even thought not asked for by the defense? In other words how does the defense know what to request. For example, if LE (or SAO) deposes/interviews a potential “witness” how does the defense know who was interviewed. And if Mallory and Hawkins (and anyone else) were interviewed by LE how do they (defense) know they did not provide pertinent info? It seems there would be difference in WHO was doing the depo (SAO) or the interview (LE). The defense was there with Mallory. OK. But did “LE” interview Hawkins?
If anyone knows what I am trying to say/ask PLEASE answer!! LOL!
(maybe I should wait to discuss/try to articulate/ask ANYTHING today until I feel better from these supposed allergies!!!!!)
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Hi frankie, Yes, I need to ignore. Some days I don’t am nicer about it – other days I am a biotch. HA
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Hi Judypc-Yes, evry time I hear her say that I wanna ring her neck. Someone pointed out somewhere on another blog that she went to work after “smellin’ the smell’) and mentioned it to co-workers. So it is very obvious she knew it smelled of decomp. As with everything else, she is making “excuses”. Like the excuse that Casey was “set up” by that other inmate looking to get a better “deal” for herself. Does she have inside info that that inmate held a gun to her head (or threatened the “family” HAHAHA) and made her write those letters and told her what to say? I almost wanna say “unbelievable!” but when it comes to her….well you know! And you are right, Judy. Like th epolice wouldn’t have sped over there for a missing child report.
Cindy: “Well, I said the car smelled like there’s been a dead body in the damn care to get the police there faster”
Ashton/Burdick: “Well, if you told then that there was a missing/taken/kidnapped child don’t you think the police would get there in a hurry”?
Cindy: “Well, no. In my 2nd 911 call I told them there was a possible missing child and they didn’t come”
A/B: “Isn’t saying a “POSSIBLE” missing child and saying your daughter has told you her child WAS TAKEN BY THE NANNY A MONTH AGO two different scenarios????????
LindaNY, the LE interviews were released upon request to the media as were the audios, jail videos, they are not under oath or testimony, etc. They are just interviews, not the same as depositions & attorney’s do not need to be present except in the case of KC who had every right to request her attorney attend her interview. Then her interviews were stopped by Baez. The depositions, which are legal documents under Oath,can have the participant bring an attorney or not, it is their decidsion, but require a Court recorder to be present & everything is documented & can later be used in Court for purposes of perjury, for example, if someone lies, etc or tells a different story in Court, & thats why the ANT’s were extended the limited immunity for their depos. If the State does a deposition in KC’s case, Baez can attend & take notes, though he was told he couldn’t attend the “Investigative Deposition of D Casey,” UNLESS DC was put on Baez’s witness list. Thus far we don’t know. Baez attended the depos for GA/CA/Lee/ probably almost all of the STATES depositions, though he is NOT furnished a copy, he has to PAY for them, costing around 500.00 for a 70 page deposition according to Hornsby. Baez did pay for CA/GA/Lee’s & that’s why those depositions were released. Those depos were long & probably contained information that Baez needed to prepare for KC’s case, in addition, Baez has requested 8 more depositions at the State of Fla.’s expense & those will eventually be released to us. UNLESS the STATE or Defense request the deposition & the copies are paid for, we won’t see them.
That’s why Baez was whining in one of the Court Hearings, he wants the Taxpayer’s of Fla. to pay for the thousands of tips that were rec’d in Caylee’s case, they were prepared at the time 2 yrs. ago that Baez requested them, but, when he was told he had to pay for them, he didn’t bother to pick them up. NOW, the STATE of FLA. will pay $2,000.00, the amount Judge P granted, for the release of this information to Baez. Shows you how UNIMPORTANT things were in KC’s defense when Baez, at the time was sitting on KC’s $200,000.00 & didn’t want to pay for the tips. It is unfortunate that the entire $200,000.00 was used mostly for Baez’s salary instead of taking ALL the depositions in this case that he needed to for the preparation of her defense. NOW that he isn’t being paid for his services, he did 3 depositions in one day at the TAXPAYER’s expense, he certainly didn’t waste much of his valuable time on them & didn’t have to spend any of the 200.000.00 on them either.
Val Hal had an interesting article, “200,000,031 reasons KC is Guilty!” It was exactly correct, Val Hal is just amazing with her insight into the case. imo.
LindaNY, LOL! The skinny is, it must be very expensive to have the Court Reporter’s notes of depositions put in the format of the interview, the transcription alone is probably labor intensive especially like in the ANT’s depositions that went on for more than a day each, hense, the Cost is expensive. I guess once the deposition has made it to the “paper format, or the format in which it can be easily read,” there is just the cost of reproducing copies to the media. The COST was the labor getting the depoistion to paper. imo.
Linda, interviews & audios probably fall under the SUNSHINE LAW as do jail videos, etc. Interviews are probably released upon request of the media. Either side can decide who they want to DEPOSE from listening or watching the Interviews done by LE. Depositions are legal documents & are not released to the public unless the one requesting, which would be Baez request it & the fee is paid.
If you noticed, most of the interviews with LE were video or audio not requiring the process of paper documentation. sorry, clear as mud, LOL!
I had to do 3 or 4 depositions in the negligent death of my sister, they are not pleasant & anything in the world can be ask of you. Never a problem for those that are honest.
I see absolutely nothing in the documents or interviews that suggests Caylee was with imaginanny. However, its Tabyos’ prerogative to interpret things differently.
The interview he/she referenced was conducted July 31st 08, Day 15 of the investigation and BEFORE Cindy assisted with the calender/timeline. She gave two interviews, August 1st and August 4th. Cpl Edwards goes on to say in the interview cited “I need Mom to come in and say, these are the days I had her.” Without that information there is no baseline to start asking”
We all know Cindy was not on the best of terms with LE even that early in the case.
August 1st Corporal Eric Edwards tells Cindy he is concentrating on a 3 month window for his timeline/calender. He asks Cindy to start in May 08. He was concentrating on a 3 month window for his timeline/calender… period May 08 to July 15th 2008. Both Mellich and Edwards are heard on tape stating they had interviewed friends and still had more to go.
No-one to my knowledge has ever seen Cpl Edwards’ completed timeline therefore its impossible to know whether there were any days Casey was caught on camera and Caylee’s whereabouts were suspect.
Cindy, George or friends might well have filled in the gaps Edward referenced.
So for the period the Grunds stopped watching Caylee to the day the poor baby died, I see no evidence of a sitter and definitely no evidence of a Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez.
Soooooooo, if there was no smell of decomp, why make up two lies to cover up the statement? Why didn’t cindy immediately state, unequivocally, that she knew it was not decomp? Why didn’t she immediately state that she said that just to get LE there quickly? She didn’t do so immediately because it didn’t occur to her how incriminating it was to casey at the time. It was an excited utterance. Once she thought about the implication of her words, she backpedaled with two different stories…one pizza, the other garbage. But her first statement….”smells like there’s been a dead body in the damn car” was what it smelled like.
jilllycomelately, you are correct in your comment on PHANTOM Nanny, imo. Thus far, there is absolutely no proof there ever was a nanny, just KC’s imagination. I am surprised that the ANT’s didn’t go as far as saying they met Zanny & her siblings, it would have just been another one of their lies. LOL! IF the Nanny existed, Baez would have had his PI dig her up, she didn’t exist, even the ANT’s & Baez know it, jmo. I am going to be interested in seeing HOW the Defense tries to “bury the nanny story” since the Detectives actively looked for her, resources were wasted. The nanny story will be “laid out by the STATE” as that is HOW little Caylee’s story began, the 911 call, the nanny took Caylee, LE looked desperately for the nanny, just KC lies.
Can’t wait to hear Baez’s cross examination of all these people that KC lied to about the Phantom Nanny. Surely he won’t dig his client a deeper hole but you never know with him!
Thank you ART TART for taking the time to respond to my inquiry. I understand better now and why things are released, at least witnesses.
In a motion filed inlooks like may which I found here: http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthonyblog/index.html they say the State has deposed 36 witnesses. And he has only asked for 8 of those 36?
Now, Jose is deposing all of these people. The defense has not provided the State with much discovery. I assume as the depos the defense conducts are completed they will be requested by the State and subsequently released via the sunshine law? I am asking as a question even though I think I am correct. Coz I am dying to read their questioning of all the witnesses and see their spin on things. AND what of their “expert” witnesses. What have they been doing??? I am still only able to find the defense witness list with only 4 expert witnesses. The State just recently asked again, didn’t they?
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jilly, I have searched for that timeline and it has never been released. I hae always wondered where that timeline was. There were handwritten copies made by I think Jesse, Amy, etc. on a calender, but nothing from LE…Cindy’s interviews from Aug 08 only touched on the the time period 6/15 – 7/15 mostly about the “stories” (half-truths and mis-truths) that Casey told Cindy. Cindy NEVER had or spoke to Caylee during that time.
I want ot check out what Cindy says about the smell in those Aug interviews. But, I get a headache and my head starts spinning ’round and ’round when I read her interviews…LOL…And I already have a stuffy head and headache. I already have it up in doctstoc website…
jillycomelately said, on June 17, 2010 at 12:50 pm I see absolutely nothing in the documents or interviews that suggests Caylee was with imaginanny. However, its
August 1st Corporal Eric Edwards tells Cindy he is concentrating on a 3 month window for his timeline/calender. He asks Cindy to start in May 08. He was concentrating on a 3 month window for his timeline/calender… period May 08 to July 15th 2008. Both Mellich and Edwards are heard on tape stating they had interviewed friends and still had more to go.
No-one to my knowledge has ever seen Cpl Edwards’ completed timeline therefore its impossible to know whether there were any days Casey was caught on camera and Caylee’s whereabouts were suspect. Cindy, George or friends might well have filled in the gaps Edward referenced.
So for the period the Grunds stopped watching Caylee to the day the poor baby died, I see no evidence of a sitter and definitely no evidence of a Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez.
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Okay — Your huburia ASOUNDS ME — WHO ARE YOU TO “KNOW” OR SAY THESE THINGS ?? Some of you need to get a grip and slow down!
LindaNY, of the 36, Baez requested GA/CA/Lee, which he had to PAY for. He has requested 8 more at the Taxpayer’s expense & if Judge P grants the monies, we will see them too.
Remember Jill Kerley’s interview & the big Hoopla Baez made about that? Baez wanted Judge S to allow this in. The STATE immediately pointed out that IT was ONLY AN INTERVIEW, NOT a deposition. Kerley’s interview was NOT done under oath, it was done by Baez’s P I. The STATE did a deposition on Jill Kerley on SKYPE I think. We haven’t heard much more on her & probably won’t, imo. B Sheaffer answered questions on Kerley on another post.
You are correct, we will probably get a lot of depositions during the next few months as the STATE may well request copies of some depositions the Defense does. Baez’s experts NEED to get through with their information as the STATE has to do depositions on ALL those experts, the time is “clicking for both sides to get these done” & hopefully we will receive some interesting ones to read.
Astounding, there is NO such word on the Internet Dictionary as HUBURIA! No wonder you are astounded! So am I! If you could furnish everyone the definition of your word, please do so because I couldn’t locate a definition in the English Dictionary.
Are you trying to say HUBRIS? Perhaps Jillycomelately is not the one that needs to get a grip. Her comment was polite, she researched the subject, and gave her opinion as is her right. It is always Astounding to me for those that stop by to insult without offering anything to add to the conversation! You truly are ASTOUNDING!
Huburis
art tart said, on June 17, 2010 at 1:44 pm
I am going to be interested in seeing HOW the Defense tries to “bury the nanny story”
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You and me both arttart
I think the reasonable doubters seem to think that a jury will merely skip over the nanny invention, that it will play no part in their verdict.
Cindy did too good a job at trying to authenticate the nanny and in doing so she and her family truly f***ed up
Just look at the versions Cindy, George and Lee have given about the SECOND nanny account, the Blanchard park smackdown version. LOL Cindy tells the story to a Federal gent July 30th while Casey is still tucked up in jail but denies it during her State depo. Interestingly during her civil depo it is just as this question is about to be asked that she reaches for her mike and says “Im done”.
George mentions the story to FBI agent Scott Bolin but later denies the story at his civil and state depos. All Anthonys deny the story was told to Leornard Padilla and his people the day Casey bonded out. Lee,during his civil depo admits he got the story from his sister but claims it was AFTER she bonded out. He allows John Morgan to sucker him into giving too many details about deleted messages from Zanny, timer 55 and the following a script bullsh*t. Jeez….on this one issue alone the State will bury the Anthonys .
The defense can choose to make an opening statement or they can waive the right. They can simply tell the Jury the State has to prove its case. But reasonable doubt has to jive with Casey’s role in her child’s eventual death. She was Casey’s protector and the last known person to have been with her.
If you were on a jury wouldnt you need to know how a murdered 34 month old baby who ends up dumped just around the corner came to be separated from her mother.
Wouldnt you want a damned good explanation for why this girl never reported her child missing and told such elaborate lies to police , therefore effectively hindering them in finding this child?
And we havent even got to the trunk yet.
I just cant imagine Mason or Lyon not wanting to plea for Casey’s life.
LOL and the wheels on the bus go round and round! LOL
Does anyone know when the depos are all supposed to be done?
jillycomelately said, on June 17, 2010 at 12:50 pm: I think you are “absolutely” correct. You would think if someone watched Caylee for even a few hours, they would have come forward and helped account for her whereabouts.
Still wrong. It is spelled HUBRIS not Huburis.
And won’t be talking the bait.
Hi Jilly, Exactly. The family did all they could to authenticate the nanny story and her “existence”. They are all married to the Nanny Story, like polygamists (haha). Casey and her ilk have sealed her fate.
frankie, according to the defense motion, the depos started on May 28 and the last one is scheduled for September 3 (Yuri Melich). I’m not good with links, but here you go: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/23583181/detail.html
I don’t know how to do it where it is underlined and you can click on and go there….
Linda
I dont think Cindy mentions the smell in her August 4th interview and only mentions it briefly in the August 1st session. She says, ” Ive smelled dead bodies, Ive smelled burned bodies ” and at some point during the interview she had repeated her mantra about pizza and 19 days in the Florida sun crapola.
LindaNewYork said, on June 17, 2010 at 5:51 pm
They are all married to the Nanny Story, like polygamists (haha).
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like polygamists…..lol
LindaNewYork,LOL! This is TOOOOOOOOOOOOO funny! Huburis, Is it a joke? I’m still laughing!
jillycomelately, I too agree, the Jury WON’T be skipping over the NANNY story since the Nanny story will take up days & days of testimony starting with the 911 call. The Detectives will testify to interviews with KC, her describing Zanny, the apartment they visited she didn’t live in, the job they visited she didn’t work at, D Casey/Hoover will testify they could NEVER find Zanny, jeeeeeeez, this will go on forever! GA/CA/Lee will even testify they NEVER met her! What a NIGHTMARE!
imo, the State will tell a story by their witnesses, & the jurors will listen to this miserable story about KC’s life & how a beautiful little girl was murdered as a result. The Jurors will understand what happened to Caylee starting with the fight KC/CA had on the night of the 15th, to KC borrowing a shovel, to the video of KC in Blockbuster strolling with Tony. The pictures of KC in Fusion conducting her “own investigation, kC doing party pics w/friends, KC getting a tattoo, KC shopping at Target, unfortunately for KC, imo, they will connect the dots for the 31 days missing & the jurors will see just who KC is and see that she wasn’t concerned with Caylee. I can’t see any way that Baez can overcome the facts the Creditable Witnesses testify to all this & this is the least of it.
KC must be a Cr Def Att Worst Nightmare! IF KC could just take the STAND to try to explain herself, but she can’t even do that for ALL the LIES she chose to weave. Jurors wouldn’t buy MORE lies from KC just as LE didn’t by her lies either. The STATE would rip her apart.
In closing, imo, Baez can try to explain some of this evidence against KC but it will be at the very end, too many witnesses will share the SAME information about KC, there just won’t be any witnesses that we know of to dispute those facts. God knows Baez is still looking.
The penalty phase is going to bring MORE nightmares for the Anthony’s. The Defense, imo, will paint KC as a VICTIM of her parent’s, she was sexually abused, she was hounded by a controlling mother, her parent’s loved Caylee more, jeeez! The ANT’s better get ready to SUCK UP what is shared on IN SESSION during Court & about their family. The Defense will PUT IT OUT THERE to save KC’s life, Lyon’s assistant has banked how many hours? Even Baez says she knows KC BETTER or is closer than anyone to KC. The saddest part is, KC sees herself as a VICTIM!
Glad I could make you guys laugh!!
Does anyone think Casey has the HUBRIS to take the stand???
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art tart said, on June 17, 2010 at 4:55 pm
Baez’s experts NEED to get through with their information as the STATE has to do depositions on ALL those experts, the time is “clicking for both sides to get these done”
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They sure do need to get a wiggle on . What the hell did they spend that $275,000
on.
Here’s betting after she’s convicted, she’ll accuse Baez of robbing her blind.
LindaNewYork said, on June 17, 2010 at 6:29 pm
Does anyone think Casey has the HUBRIS to take the stand???
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In a word…….NEVER
Can you imagine it
they then get to grill her on stealing from Amy and her 6 felonies. That door gets opened on EVERYTHING
Much as Id love to see it, I think come trial, we will see a very scared and angry young woman. Lyon will have grab both wrists
As much as I was saying that as a joke, she may think she can BS & lie and be believed like C, G, and Lee believe everything she has said.
Yes, this trial will be VERY interesting to see.
OK, TV time…See you all tomorrow…
taybos said, on June 17, 2010 at 12:48 am
I agree with most of what you say, art tart. But I’m specifally speaking of the time before the 31 days and I believe it IS important where Caylee was during the day because she was unaccounted for quite a bit of the time. The times specifically when George & Cindy were told by Casey that Caylee was at the nanny’s and she was not with Casey.
This has been referenced quite a bit and I will cite Jesse Grund’s LE interview to show that…
JG: Here is my thought in regards to finding whoever this nanny is. Because before Caylee went missing on the 15th I believe that there were days where Caylee was
supposedly with the nanny, or let’s, let’s backtrack. Caylee was supposedly with mom and wasn’t with mom. I don’t know specific dates, but let’s just play that out for example. Casey tells her friends that Caylee is with her mother. Caylee’s, and
you ta…you’d speak with Cindy and Caylee’s not with mom. Well then Caylee has to be somewhere because up until the 15th she was around.
EE: And that’s what I’ve communicated with Lee.
JG: So…
EE: Lee. We’ve talked to friends. We’ve talked to boyfriends. And we afforded Casey an opportunity to talk with us and she went down the path that none of us understand. Now your mother needs to come in and say on the calendar books, I know I had the baby this day, this day, this day and this day. Now
through our investigative efforts, which take us all over the place for surveillance videos everywhere, the days that mom says I didn’t have her this day, but I can show a surveillance video at a target or whatever, with Casey alone, or not Casey, (making tapping sound), where was the baby that day? Now I can isolate that day’s phone records and try to see if there was communication between a nanny. But the difficult part is we’re not getting that level of cooperation.
I don’t understand how you can say that where she was during the day is not important. The LE seems to think it’s important enough to question witnesses about it get surveillance videos and do calendars to attempt to figure it out. I just don’t get you on that part. I guess you interpret it much differently than I do. And that’s ok. There’s not a whole lot more I can say on this specific topic.
I’m out for the night. I can barely stay awake. =D
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Ditto. I agree100%
art tart said, on June 17, 2010 at 6:21 pm
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art, you have a great talent for summarizing things. I agree completely.
I found myself in the courtroom as I read that…..LOL
The jury had just come back..
Seriously though, I wonder if there will be a trial, will she roll the dice?
G nite peeps see yall later
Jilly I am sure team Casey has advised her not to take the stand, and will advise her strongly not to do it come trial, now having said that, in the back of my mind I have a feeling that she just may roll the dice.
In her mind I think she “thinks” she can pull it off, after all she has always been able to talk her way out of everything.
Granted, I think the State will eat her alive on the stand, but she is to into herself to not believe she can out fox them.
If I am being completely honest, I hope she does take the stand, I think Ashton would soon have the truth before she even knew what hit her.
Somewhere in my mess of doc’s and research I have an extensive time-line, I know it is to large a doc to post here as it would take up to much space.
Once I locate it in my files I will try to get it converted and posted over on my open site if any of you want it.
judypc, this is an excellent timeline that I like to refer to, I know everybody has their favorite but maybe you can use this one until you locate your favorite.
http://investigation.discovery.com/blogs/criminal-report/casey_anthony_full_coverage/timeline/caylee_anthony_timeline.html
I think she might take the stand…..and take the 5th on anything she doesn’t want to answer. Can she do that? If so, she just might think she can sashay up there and smile pretty and just clam up when she doesn’t like the question!
art:
I posted some of the time line and the P/C forensic report, have some other things that have been top topics of late will be getting those things posted as well.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/
frankie, KC may demand to take the stand, some defendant’s do. KC seems to have been confident in the stories she has told before, we will see! I don’t know if she could take the 5th or not, LOL, that might be most of her testimony! LOL!
judypc, that is a great link, thanks for sharing it! I am going back now to read!
I won’t swear to this but I seem to recall that if someone takes the stand and answers one question they can not take the 5th after that.
art…..can’t ya just see her…On the stand primping, grinning with her broken toof, poking at her eyes and claiming the 5th on EVERY question unless Ashton/Burdick asks if she is OK, if she needs anything and if everyone told her how pretty she looks today? hehehe
jillycomelately said, on June 17, 2010 at 12:50 pm I see absolutely nothing in the documents or interviews that suggests Caylee was with imaginanny. However, its Tabyos’ prerogative to interpret things differently.
WHAT?????????
You’re wayyyy off course, and I have no idea how you got yourself there.
I by no means am saying that any nanny exists. My originally stated curiosity on this subject was WHERE Caylee was KEPT – ie: trunk, in a ditch, under the kitchen sink, etc (before she was killed) and HOW she was ket there, ie: concsous-sedation, gagged, hog-tied etc? Cuz OBVIOUSLY THERE IS NO NANNY and OBVIOUSLY Caylee was NOT with Casey every day. Even if she was with Casey half of the time or even 83% of the time, she was NOT with Casey ALL of the time. What I see you trying to claim is that she was with Casey every day and I am asking how you can claim that, because you do not know. You just say “oh, well maybe there are gaps in Eric Edwards calendars, and “oh, well probably Cindy and George filled in those gaps”. Where do you get that, aside from guessing?? And why on Earth are you arguing that?
Where Caylee was kept during the day when she was unaccounted for is HUGE. It would help further the case against her and ensure she rots away in jail for the rest of her life or be sentenced to death.
Are you (or whoever else) so hot to jump all over me because you think I want the opposite of that? That’s what I’m beginning to think! Cuz I see how people react the instant they think they’re dealing with someone who is on “Casey’s side”.
Pshaw!
To be clear: she was not with Casey every day, nor was she with George & Cindy or any other known person during those times.
LOL Judy…she may as well stay seated then! Sorry, I am only half here. I am trying to get a bit of insight on the Kyron Horman case also. His uncle was arrested today on child molestation charges. It doesn’t appear to be related to Kyron, but sheemanitty…it sure is odd. And that family has weirdly similar names like the anthonys. There is a Kristi, Kyron, Kristian, Kaine…..sort of like CMA, cma and cma!!
And you’re trying to say she was with George or Cindy or some other known person when she was not with Casey and I’m asking WHERE/HOW DO YOU GET THAT? Paste it so I can at least see what you’re trying to base it on!
Frankie,
And Lee Alexander and Lee and Alexander, George’s dad and Cindy’s dad.
Sheemanitty? Never heard that one before!
If Casey was one of the Duggars, she’d be screwed. I doubt that many siblings would cover for her.
taybos:
I’m not sure anyone really knows where Caylee was every day, except of course Casey.
That question may never be answered, we all have our best guess’es but thats really all, unless at trial the state has put something together to fill the blanks.
Frankie:
Maybe she will get one of those gold gangst’a caps on her broked toofie.
You nut.
Yeah, I know and agree Judy. But someone was trying to say where she was “during the day” was not important in the big scheme of things and that’s what I took issue with, and then Jilly misunderstood me to mean I was suggesting Caylee was with an imaginanny (which I was not) and took a jab at me in her misundarstandingnessment. But I guess that’s how things go in here.
I know my questions as to where Caylee was kept when she was unacounted for won’t be answered, but someone here was giving me an answer, an erroneous answer, and so I asked how they came to that answer.
That’s all.
Goodnight.
hahaha..It’s so hard to be an adult, isn’t it Linda???
So much for the ignore button. Where’s your self control gal ??
thejbmission said, on June 16, 2010 at 5:32 pm Now I’m done!! Thanks for the laughs. You GALS are crraaaazzzy!!
To JB’s Mission, this is what drives me nuts about you and a few other “Casey didn’t do it” supporters. To you it’s all a big joke and you only comment to stir the pot. Mission accomplished. “You gals are craaaazy!!!”. Really!!!???!!! How do you know it’s all “gals” and what makes us any crazier then you ladies who are likely into the whole conspiracy theories. Just like the latest conspiracy theorist James Mc something (can’t remember his name). Mind you it sounds like his theories are actually more credible then yours, so maybe you should share notes and contact the defense team.
Oh and I must add thanks for the laughs. I’ll refrain from adding LOL to every comment like you do. It kind of loses it’s efficacy when you throw in LOL every time you make a snide comment.
taybos said, on June 17, 2010 at 12:48 am
I agree with most of what you say, art tart. But I’m specifally speaking of the time before the 31 days and I believe it IS important where Caylee was during the day because she was unaccounted for quite a bit of the time. The times specifically when George & Cindy were told by Casey that Caylee was at the nanny’s and she was not with Casey.
This has been referenced quite a bit and I will cite Jesse Grund’s LE interview to show that…
JG: Here is my thought in regards to finding whoever this nanny is. Because before Caylee went missing on the 15th I believe that there were days where Caylee was
supposedly with the nanny, or let’s, let’s backtrack. Caylee was supposedly with mom and wasn’t with mom. I don’t know specific dates, but let’s just play that out for example. Casey tells her friends that Caylee is with her mother. Caylee’s, and
you ta…you’d speak with Cindy and Caylee’s not with mom. Well then Caylee has to be somewhere because
This is coming from what Cindy said. Jesse Grund is repeating what Cindy told him when he was assisting Lee in the “Anthony” investigation. The one that they left LE out of!!!! Jesse Grund was still fooled by the woman he was engaged to. He said Casy never went out. If you look on the date of those photos where Casey is dressed in a scantily clad “card outfit” sucking on a lollipop humping and grinding on several young women the date was during the time she was with Jesse. Caylee was an infant. Jesse, George and Cindy will say Casey was a stay at home mom. Those pictures tell a different story. I think Jesse was really gullible, but who else would fall for Casey’s multitude of lies.
George said he and Cindy baby-sat 90% of the time. That leaves 10% for the unkown Zannie the Nannie, but Ricardo said he allowed Caylee to sleep with Casey in his bed 4 to 5 times out of the week for a few months when they saw each other (before she met Tony). I don’t think there was another baby-sitter. Remember Casey was also known to bring Caylee to parties. Cindy and George wouldn’t have approved but they wouldn’t have known.
Taybos said, “To be clear: she was not with Casey every day, nor was she with George and Cindy or any other known person during those times”.
How would Taybos know? How would Brad Conway or the Anthony family or friends know if she was with any other known person during those times? How would any of the above know who the “known persons” were? Tabyo said he knows that she was not with any known person. Hmmm.
Note to self, pay a little more attention to who the known persons are but really watch out for the unknown persons.
I must be sick and disturbed,
reading this rhetoric, repeating, obsessing_this case_over and over_same ole song_brain washed—won’t rest till Casey is given DP–doesn’t matter–she lied–she used chloroform–duct tape—she gave her xanax—she plays Guitar Hero when her child is in the room–she never loved her daughter–she jealous of CA—she psychopath–CA psychopath–GA free loader–6 felonies–KC get tattoo–no pig meat–hate Baez–Lyin Lyons–I know everything—she dance Fusion–she have broken too ha-ha–furnish definition–furnish link–you no read docs—imo,imo,imo,imo—
I agree completely,I agree completely,I agree completely,I agree completely..
Whew,it sure feels good to be sick and disturbed
Sick and disturbed you are. You’re forgetting the whole case. 2 year old child (almost 3) Mother forgets to tell every one that she can’t find her baby. Not important to mother. Mother goes to boyfriends house when her daughter has “disappeared” ( a neautral place) and they go to video store and rent movies about a kidnapping.
On the very night that Cayle disappeared (without Tone’s knowledge) they go to bed and sleep in the next morning. Tone misses school in order to stay in bed with Casey and carry on with their business. He was never aware that Caylee had been “kidnapped”.
God have mercy on Casey’s soul. Jesus will forgive her if she asks.
Taybos said “Where Caylee was kept during the day when she was unaccounted for is HUGE. It would help further the case against her and ensure she rots away in jail for the rest of her life or be sentenced to death.”
Taybos
Its simple….. I interpret the segment you quoted from Jesse’s interview very differently and I qualified that in the previous post by adding what Cpl Edwards went on to say re needing Cindy to come in and give him the days she had Caylee.
Now, I ask you…. WHEN was Caylee unaccounted for, give me one day, one date that you know for a fact or are you merely guessing?
Can you make that leap from the available information?
Is guessing just allowed for Taybos?
If you were not suggesting there was another sitter, fair enough, my mistake.
Ofcourse if Casey put Caylee in the trunk when she went shopping that would be HUGE …if not impossible to now prove. BUT imo that is not what Edwards was alluding to imo and its not a theory I have ever put forward.
Now lets just agree to disagree.
Can you make that leap from the available information?
Is guessing just allowed for Taybos?
warning,warning,
taybos,don’t do it.U’ll become one of them. U will no longer have a mind of ur own. Danger,danger.BrainwasherBrainwasher.it is trap to belittle you.There is no way to defeat them.they want to own ur mind.they are robots w/no mind of their own.they need urs.Then chocolate martini to chill out.
Sick and Disturbed said, on June 18, 2010 at 3:50 am
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Hi jb
Jilly,
Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a deposition notice which I sent to your attorney?
lol,
Hi Jilly
Okay, lets try this shall we?
In the post I put on the other site last night we see very different tales from Casey as to Zanny.
We see her go from she has known her 6 years, to 4 years, then down to 2.
Can we figure out using the police reports and other doc’s just when she started telling people Caylee was with the nanny?
Now, who kept Caylee?
Lauren Gibbs that said she kept Caylee very early on.
Cindy & George.
And the Grund’s
We have many of her friend’s saying they never heard of Zanny, so what we need to figure out is who and when did the first Zanny the nanny story take form?
Was it after the Grunds said she needed to make other arrangements?
Or was it when she started dating Tony?
Let’s see if we can figure out a few pieces to the puzzle together shall we?
If we come across a statement that can date Zanny lets try to show the source, so we know it is documented and not blogger myth ok.
Taybos: I don’t know where you are from, but it used to be a southern tradition to name children after their grandparents. My name is the first name of my paternal and maternal grandmothers. I named my oldest son Jr. and my youngest son bears my fathers and my husbands fathers first name, much to his dismay! I don’t think this is so common now. However, I just think it would be so confusing to have everyone with such similar names. I know when we had too Johns in the family, John Jr. became Little John, which is now ridiculous since he is way bigger than his dad! LOL
As to sheemanitty….whatever, I make up my own words!
Oooopppsss too should be two! I really can read AND spell, sometimes, when I am not making up words!
good morning everyone, TGIF! LOL!
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Taybos said:
Are you (or whoever else) so hot to jump all over me because you think I want the opposite of that? That’s what I’m beginning to think! Cuz I see how people react the instant they think they’re dealing with someone who is on “Casey’s side”.
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taybos, imo, there are NO SIDES, there is a murdered child, there is evidence pointing to one person, the last known person (that exist) KC Anthony. When those that come up with scenarios & NO KNOWN FACTS to support their opinion that a Phantom person had Caylee, those of us that have followed the released information say, Back it up. When ask by others for their facts, they start calling names, & NEVER PRODUCE ANYTHING! If it is just their opinion based on nothing, then if they stated that, others wouldn’t waste their time providing known information to them. If anyone thinks perhaps SOMEONE else might have murdered Caylee, please produce the KNOWN FACTS thus far that give a remote iindication this is plausible so everyone can evaluate & make their opinions. This HAS NOT been done & those of us making opinions on “the known facts” continue to ask why they form such opinions? It is a HUGE waste of time & non productive, this is NOT going to be done.
Most are basing their opinions on “known facts” in this case. There are many “unknown facts” and one of those are that “no one knows where Caylee was ALL the time except KC,” only KC would know this FACT & she isn’t telling the truth about much of what she has said. The point was: From ALL the doc dumps & evidence released, “no one” knows where Caylee was all the time, NOT even GA & CA, gosh, they thought Caylee was with the Phantom Zanny. There are NO sides, just evidence released.
Some people root or bet for a sports team because they claim they are “under dogs” which is anyone’s right. Some can ROOT for KC because MOST people that are forming opinions by known facts, evidence, & DOC Dumps can point as to why they form that opinion & see NO OTHER known person, NOR DOES THE STATE see any other remote possibility that another person murdered Caylee, but for those rooting for KC because she is an underdog should just say so. Any day now, the Defense could come up with some viable evidence, that would be great, everybody could look at it & evaluate it, but thus far, none has been forth coming.
The State will prove WHAT KC did during the 31 days missing & that Caylee was murdered imo. The computer searches done before the 31 days may come in as premeditation, but prior to the 31 days, apparently there were just more lies KC was telling everyone, including her parent’s.
BILL: WHEN CAN WE GET A UPDATE FROM YOU???
Here we see two different time frames Casey gives for Zanny.
an exchange on Sunday, July 13 three days before Caylee was reported missing between Casey and Youriev Donov.
CA: i didnt ever want to live in an apartment, but i dont think getting a house is the best idea not right now
YD: yeah good idea, so what do u do when u work? with the kid that is
CA: i have a nanny. i love her.
YD: nice. how much do they charge?
CA: weve been friends for over 6 years. definitely someone i trust. it just depends. i pay her a lot more than most nannys make. its worth it though
YD: yeah i understand
CA: shes a friend. between myself, and one of my coworkers, its her main source of income
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Tony Lazzaro and Casey Anthony on July 16 the day Caylee was reported missing:
CA: Im so sorry for not telling you what happened .. we obviously need to talk. I need you .. and i love you more than you know.
TL: Where is Caylee?
CA: I honestly dont know ..
TL: I dont know R u serious? When did u find out?
CA: Ive been filing reports all night and driving around with multiple officers looking at old apartments i had taken her to.
TL: Y wouldnt you tell me of all people I was ur boyfriend that cares about you and ur daughter. Doesnt make sense to me Why would u lie to me
CA: I lied to everyone. What was i supposed to say? i trust my daughter with some psycho. How does that look?
TL: Idk what to say .. I just hope your daughter is okay and im gonna do watever to help ur family and the cops
CA: i was put in handcuffs for almost 10 minutes and sat in the back of a cop car. The best thing and most important person is my life is missing. I am the dumbest person and the worst mother. I honestly hate myself. The most important thing is getting caylee back but i truly hpe that you can forgive me .. granted i will never be able to forgive myself.
TL: Who is this zanny nanny person
CA: Someone i had met through a mutual friend almost 4 years ago. She used be my buddy jeffs nanny before she became mine. im scared.
Here is a little odd fact I found early on when searching for answers about Zanny.
Casey searched Zanieda for the first time on 10/22/07
There was a Zanieda that played a detective Flores on an LA Forensics show titled, ”
Mysterious Confessions.”
The show in which a serial killer had left no evidence behind to his crimes and placed bodies either in a field or lake.
TV Series:
“LA Forensics” (2006)
Original Air Date:
22 August 2007 (Season 2, Episode 9)
We have many of her friend’s saying they never heard of Zanny, so what we need to figure out is who and when did the first Zanny the nanny story take form?
Answer: She too form when Richard Grund told her she’d have to find a new babysitter.
docstoc.com/docs/2810979/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-001
Casey DID give Richard Grund a last name for the nanny.
On page 44 of the above doc….Richard Grund DOES say that the name of the sitter Casey told him about was Zenaida Gonzales in March, April, or May of 2006.
Holly Gagne claims she babysat Caylee for one year- interview with her on NG
Well, no matter how you slice it, there is no Babysitter, Zanny the Nanny, Zenaida Fernandez HYPHEN Gonzales, with an s or a z., either from 2 years ago, 4 years ago or 6 yearsa age. This girl lived the fanstasy of career-woman-event-planner-I have-a-nanny-(NOT merely a baby sitter). Her entire life is nothning but a lie.
LindaNewYork:
I agree, have just been trying to figure out when she started with the imaginanny.
And what was she really doing with little Caylee when she needed to be free of her motherly duties.
Whats highly significnt imo about the Grund timeline is that Casey jacks in her job. She was fired from her HR job April 24th 2006 for job abandonment. Yet she carries on the pretence that she is working and even elevates herself to a event coordinator who gets to work flexible hours and from home. Note also that all the REAL
babysitters to date worked for free. When Richard Grund forced her hand Casey would have had to deal with the reality of paying for professional child care which would essentially mean she was working for peanuts.
Cindy mentions in her State depo that whilst working in the HR office, Casey would often bring home work which she Cindy, would help her with. It consisted of separating perforated computer printouts of potential job candidates. Couldnt she do that in normal working hours? Wouldnt that sort of thing be deemed too confidential to leave the office?
Anyhow, I dont imagine her position in the office was that challenging or well paid.
But why would someone pretend to work. Well obviously Casey may have preferred to portray the image of a young single mother who was making it. Looks better on her facebook profile. Then there’s possibly not wanting to disappoint Cindy and how being a stay at home mom would severely restrict her schedule.
So if there’s a job, there has to be a babysitter…RIGHT! Zanny gets created.
I don’t understand why she referred to her as the “nanny”. A nanny is someone who usually does child care inside the family’s home, and is mostly limited to those who are wealthy enough to afford that type of service. Nannies aren’t cheap.
mixologist74 said, on June 18, 2010 at 6:26 pm
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You just came up with that —- aren’t you a tad late????
Hey friends, I agree LindaNY, anyway you slice it, there was no nanny. It is possible that KC did realize that she could ONLY get minimum wage jobs, she didn’t even complete high school & was trying to HANG with people that did go to college, some had graduated, were attending, & had a life plans. If KC REALLY paid childcare, a nanny, or a sitter, there would hardly be anything left from a minimum wage job. KC didn’t seem to have much of a life plan, seemed CA pointed it out to her repeatedly. KC wasn’t about to be honest with her friends, that she was unemployed, a single mother, didn’t have a job, drove her mother’s Sunfire, YIKES! KC always wanted to elevate the importance of who she wanted her friends to think she was, KC was just a miserable, self absorbed LOSER of her own making!
Remember the MYSPACE entry from Cindy? I re-read it last night, very damning information, CA points out EVERYTHING they do for Caylee, she states money was stolen from her, LOTS of money, what are anyone’s thought’s. I had forgotten how damning & telling this effort of CA to reach out the her brat daughter. Of course, KC replies, “EVERYONE LIES, EVERYONE DIES!”
http://investigation.discovery.com/blogs/criminal-report/casey_anthony_full_coverage/timeline/july3-july7/july3-july7.html
mix: casey dearest couldn’t have a regular old babysitter! No mam, she had a Nanny! I think the terminology clearly shows her desire to present herself as a up and coming young business woman.
Good point Arttart! I hadn’t really thought about why she put on such airs….lots of people do for no apparent reason really. BUT, casey did have a reason, as you clearly pointed out. She is a loser going nowhere fast….but she needed to make herself appear to be as cool as her friends, who were getting their lives in order. Seems I read somewhere that casey was frequently picking up the tab for her buds. That is just a random remembrance and, no, I cannot quote a source. I can’t remember for certain so I could be realllllly wrong!
Well it is off to dreamland….Have a wonderful evening everyone. I am tired….I spent the day with my 6 year old granddaughter. We put up homemade jelly! She loved it!
And that ^^^^^dear anthonys is something even that cool quarter of a mil can’t buy ya!
Goodnight all.
GLEN said, on June 18, 2010 at 1:14 pm
BILL: WHEN CAN WE GET A UPDATE FROM YOU???
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Seconded!
art tart said “those of us that have followed the released information say, Back it up”
Oh NO, WE don’t all demand that. Speak for yourself or your few selected friends, if they do want you speaking for them, that is. Because I have “followed the released information” and I DON’T say “back it up”, because I don’t require people to go search the discovery and provide me with a link or a quote for me to be able to accept their opinion.
1. NosyParker said, on June 18, 2010 at 1:48 am
Taybos said, “To be clear: she was not with Casey every day, nor was she with George and Cindy or any other known person during those times”.
How would Taybos know? How would Brad Conway or the Anthony family or friends know if she was with any other known person during those times? How would any of the above know who the “known persons” were? Tabyo said he knows that she was not with any known person. Hmmm.
Note to self, pay a little more attention to who the known persons are but really watch out for the unknown persons.
I’m saying I DON’T believe she was with ANYONE on certain days. And I pasted a portion of Jesse Grund’s interview that showed he was thinking the same thing too, as well as Cpl. Eric Edwards. I believe Caylee was “kept” somewhere, sometimes. Like in the trunk of Casey’s car. The statement of mine you quoted was an additional sentence to a previous comment I’d just finished. It wasn’t a stand-alone comment. I hit send before I was really finished talking.
So, are you thinking that Caylee was always accounted for and was always with a known (by Casey) person? Cuz otherwise I have no idea what the heck you are saying in your comment.
By the way, I’m female. Not that it’d matter.
If anyone else commented to me today, I’m sorry, I’m not gonna be able to catch up.
I only spend about an hour or hour and a half online a night and don’t go on until after my kids are in bed. So not a lot of time to do my email, read the news and catch up on the blogs sometimes.
‘Night.
Actually, I have more time to read the comments when I just lurk, so maybe I’ll shutup and just do that. You guys would probably be happier anyway, to be able to have your one-sided repetitive conversations without anyone interrupting you.
taybos is ANOTHER unhappy commenter. Call me crazy, but I’m beginning to see a pattern. All joking aside, what’s wrong with accepting other opinions besides your own?
taybos has every right to her opinion as everyone else and I thought she managed to explain her thoughts clearly despite all of the negative feedback.
Bravo taybos!
judypc said, on June 18, 2010 at 9:29 pm
Great video. She is truly pathetic. Creating this fantasy life. LOL! And all Cindy EVER has to say is that Casey may be liar but she didn’t murder her daughter… Which MAY be true if her daughter didn’t turn up as a bones in the woods and didn’t have the smell of human decomp in her car….
I was in HR in a division of a large corporation (doing 3 other jobs-Payroll, Accounts Payable/Receivable). I am sure she was just a clerk (not that there is anything wrong with it) And YES, HR is very confidential and highly doubt she would have been allowed to take ANY “work” home with her. You don’t “collate” applications. File maybe. LOL!
Well, good day to all. It is going to be a beautiful day here in NY. Going to spend the day at my sister’s pool with my 3 beautiful nieces..(Aunt, Linda, watch this, Aunt Linda, watch me go off the diving board, count how many seconds it taks me to swim to the other side, or stay under the water, watch me do a handstand…etc, etc. LOL!)
taybos:
You jump in and say whats on your mind, who knows maybe you have some insight that may help, speaking only for myself, as long as someone talks to me like an adult, does not come in calling everyone names, acting like the school yard bully, then I can converse with that person.
Sounds like Aunt Linda is in for a fun day.
Enjoy yourself, see ya later.
frankie:
YUM!!!
What kind of jelly?
Have not done that for years, my mum, sis and I went one year picked a ton of blackberries and got on a jelly & jam frenzy, not sure but there may still be jars of it lurking on a shelf around here lol.
NosyParker:
I wonder if the state has any surprise’s for team Casey come trial as to where they think she was stashing Caylee.
taybos: I agree with you in that she was leaving Caylee somewhere. I don’t think casey was overly concerned with Caylee’s safety. I think she left her home alone during the day..either asleep or locked in a closet or her room or something. At night, I think she put her in the trunk, drugged. Now I don’t necessarily believe it was xanax, possibly a children’s cold medication? That may have been why she was researching chloroform and how to make it. xanax and cold meds cost $$$$$, which casey didn’t have. Chloroform would last long though….maybe she just gave her a little so she would go to sleep and then, once the chemical wore off, Caylee fell asleep because she was sleepy. IDK and she sure ain’t talkin’!
Judy: We started with wild blackberries that my son and grandson (7) picked. They enjoyed it so much that I told him we would make more. This time I just bought 100% fruit juice from Publix and made jelly. Not traditional, but with these little ones, serves the purpose for a little while. I am supposed to be getting several boxes of GA peaches in a couple of weeks…..so then it will be PEACH….YUM YUM!!
List of content of trash bag in KC’s trunk
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20321119/detail.html
No pork chops
Report on KC’s movements based on cell phone pings
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20318259/detail.html
On July 17, 2008, I recieved a phone call from Mr. Mark Hawkins; he advised he knows Mrs. Anthony. Mr. Hawkins is an active duty Marine stationed in 29 Palms, California. Mrs. Anthony and Mrs. Hawkins were communicating on almost a daily basis via telephone and Internet.
Approximately a week ago from July 17, 2008, Mrs. Anthony told Mr. Hawkins that she was planning a trip to california and she needed to tell him something. Mrs. Anthony said she told her mother and brother, and she did not know how he would react about what she had to tell him. Mr. Hawkins heard that Caylee’s father was deceased, and he was a Security Guard at Universal Studios.
Mr. Hawkins mother, Mrs. Ann Marie Chase knows Mrs. Anthony. They last saw each other at the Target store on Waterford Lakes. Mr. Hawkins provided Mrs. Chase’s phone number (407) 467-8363. Mrs. Chase is due to return from a cruise on July 18, 2008. I spoke via telehone with Mrs. Chase who advised the following; Mrs. Chase last saw Mrs. Anthony at the Target store on July 10, 2008. Mrs. Anthony was by herself and appeared normal and happy as usual.
CD-R compact diacs copied of the recorded statement were submitted into evidence.
Detective Rivera 07/18/2008
Sooooo yet another person to describe casey as normal and happy while her baby girl lay rotting in the woods close to the scamthony home! Imagine that….and she WAS planning a trip, just putting it off as long as possible. she was getting comfortable, getting more sure with each passing day that she was going to get by with murder, smuggly thinking her childs corpse would never be found.
frankie, I agree, we will probably NEVER know exactly what all KC did to Caylee or if the trunk of KC’s car was the sitter, she wasn’t overly concerned with Caylee as you said , ONLY KC could tell us & that’s not likely to happen, or, it would just be another LIE, imo.
judypc, thanks for the link of the content of the trash in KC’s trunk, it’s been awhile since I read it, will read again to just make sure you didn’t overlook pork chops! LOL!
True to form, Baez filed ANOTHER motion on the 911 call & now claims CA “just wanted to get LE out there sooner.” BOY! Can that CA follow Baez’s talking points, MORE of stating the same thing over & over, I will be curious to see if Judge P loses his patience with him.
Baez is claiming that CA told her co-workers that GA said it smelled like decomp, SO Baez is claiming that this is here say. BUT! CA didn’t know Caylee was truly missing when talking to co-workers.
The problem for the defense is this: When CA made the 911 call, she had JUST FOUND OUT that Caylee was truly missing! HMMM! Decomp Smell + Caylee missing = hysterical grandmother fearing that her grand daughter might be dead, = EXCITED Utterance. This exactly what an excited utterance is, CA at this point HAD NO TIME to back track on her story, her fear was palpable, imo,
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-911-calls-argument-20100618,0,1646148.story
Frankie:
I am searching through this massive mound of stored files, there is a guy who met Casey while Tony was in N.Y. that I recall was very taken with Casey, she came to a party at his house and was playing Holly Homemaker for him, and nurse Casey when he got a boo-boo.
I am only posting bits of the transcripts here because of the space issue’s, but I am trying to show she was pretty much out there without Caylee and was not worried about anything other than her self and her love life.
Wonder if she was going to tell Mark he was the baby daddy?
Sure wish he had pressed her a bit more.
art tart:
Big problem for Jose’ is those nagging police transcripts of Cindy’s co-workers.
Ok, you look for those pork chops and I will see what else I can dig out of the stacks of oldies but goodies.
Waters, William/Case #08-74777/GG
1 keg so we went back to Total Wine for the bucket. Uhm, they were, Casey didn’t
2 have her i.d. (identification) on her so they wouldn’t sell to us. So uh, we had
3 friend pick up the bucket and me, her and Amy went back to my house.
4 EE: Okay. The party started?
5 WW: Yes sir.
6 EE: The child that’s all over the news, Caylee, she wasn’t with her that day?
7 WW: No sir, not at all.
8 EE: Any mention of that child at all?
WW: Not until later on that evening.
the conversation was ended at she
12 had a daughter.
13 EE: That was it?
14 WW: Yeah (affirmative). Because we were all on the deck drinking and it was kick
15 ball. We were, that was I really didn’t get into it. I didn’t really, I didn’t care at
16 the time.
17 EE: Okay. So she didn’t say anything? Describe her, talk to her, about her, tell you
18 what her name was, anything? Like just…
19 WW: No.
EE: Okay. The party goes on? The party continues?
8 WW: Uh-hum (affirmative). We go to uhm, around 8:30 we go to Lake Eola to watch
9 the fireworks. Uhm she’s on the phone with Tony uhm, about 9:10. However
10 long the fireworks were on was the whole time that them two were talking on the
11 phone. Uhm, she didn’t mention anything about Caylee. Uhm, just about how
12 Tony’s doing and I was just list..I was sitting, I was sitting right beside her with
13 all of us. So I pretty much heard her conversation.
14 EE: No child talk?
15 WW: No child talk.
16 EE: Okay. Any other content of the conversation that jumps out at you?
17 WW: No. Just what he supposedly was going through up there with his family, with
18 his, with his dad uhm, and school, and a boyfriend/girlfriend conversation pretty
19 much.
20 EE: What was going on with dad?
21 WW: Uhm, uh, what was the con..the, he, he didn’t know if he was going to come
22 back to Orlando or not. Uhm, supposedly his dad wanted him to stay up there
23 and, and he brought it up at a wrong time because Casey was like, “Well why’d
24 you, you would bring this up?” Uhm, (makes sounds). And she’s like, “Well
25 I don’t want to talk about this now. It’s not a good, it’s not a good time to be
1 talking about negative things while watching fireworks.” And then uhm, he just
2 said something like uhm, (makes sound), he don’t know if he’ll be able to come
3 back because his dad might send for his car and all that good stuff. So she didn’t
4 even know what was going on.
5 EE: So at that point in time, on the Fourth of July, she felt that he wasn’t returning?
6 WW: Right.
7 EE: And…
8 WW: It was, it was a fifty/fifty chance that he was going to come back pretty much.
9 EE: And he was supposed to come back the next day I think.
10 WW: Uhm…
11 EE: The 5th.
12 WW: Yeah (affirmative), that was a Sunday I believe. Yeah (affirmative), that Sunday.
13 He came back that day.
14 EE: Saturday. The 5th was a Saturday. We’ll get…
15 WW: But…
16 EE: …into that. Did you, so she left your apartment with Amy about 1:30 you said?
17 WW: Yes.
18 EE: In the morning on the Fourth?
19 WW: Uh-hum (affirmative).
20 EE: Well it would actually have been the 5th by then, but the Fourth of July party?
21 WW: Yeah (affirmative).
22 EE: Any other thing noteworthy like that conversation on the bench, or that you can
23 think of?
24 WW: No. She was pretty much, she took care of my house. She, I got a cut on my
25 face. She (snaps fingers) was right there to grab a cold towel and put it on me.
1 And she swept my house, cleaned it. and she just took care of everything. I, I
2 had not problems with her in my house while we were playing football and kick
3 ball. I walked in, she had everybody in order and taking care of things.
4 EE: First time you ever met her?
5 WW: Yeah (affirmative). That’s why like all my friends were like, “Dude, you,” they just
6 seen how, I was totally like a love bug. I’d like, like love being, being around her.
7 She was, her energy was awesome and she was fun to be around. I…
8 EE: You dug her right off the bat?
9 WW: Yeah (affirmative), it was, it was fun. She was, she was great to be around.
10 EE: And she was digging you? Kind of the vibe you got?
11 WW: Yeah (affirmative), kind of.
Judy: Do you remember the name of the kid that came to visit her in jail? She didn’t remember him at first? I wonder if we know anymore about his visit.
frankie, his name was Patrick Bourgeois. Wonder why he decided to drop in on KC in JAIL that day?
That has always been an oddity in this case to me. I would like to know more about him. I am pretty sure I wouldn’t drop in on an old acquaintance sitting in jail on murder charges …how bout you?
LindaNY, this is the link to the 8 depositions Baez has requested a copy:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/39566240/05142010-Motion-For-Transcription
Appling Wells
Adriana Acevedo
Matt Irwin
Laurie Gottesman
Steven Shaw
Karen Lowe
Elizabeth Fontaine
Heather Seubert
Frankie:
The whole Patrick Bourgeois deal was a strange deal, I have the jail visit logged away in my file history.
At the moment I can not recall if police ever talked with him after the visit.
I tend to think maybe he wanted to get 15 minutes and thought if he went to visit her the media would gather around him.
judypc & frankie, I too agree, what a weirdo to drop on a suspected “child murderer,” you would think he would have something better to do.
From the few accounts I have read, she acted like she barely remembered him & then she requested that ONLY family could visit.
Remember when “tube socks” made a trip down to see his lying sister & she refused to see her? I never understood what that was about either unless she was just mad or embarrassed. Lee was pretty “aggressive in his advice & questions in one interview, imo.”
DUH! I mean refused to see him (Lee).
He also told casey someone said hi….wasn’t that William Waters? Do we know anything about him?
Duh….scrolled back up! LOL. But wasn’t that who Patrick was talking about?
OK gotta go to bed now, I am getting more scatter brained than usual!
frankie, I double checked, William Waters is on the State’s Witness List but I didn’t see Patrick’s name. (witness list for State)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75220&page=16
frankie, this is the link to the interview of William Waters. I am going to read it before bed, later friend:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4825199/Casey-Anthony-William-Waters-Interview
Frankie I posted some of waters transcript earlier today, he was the one that was smitten with Casey while Tony was in N.Y.
He met her at a 4th of July party at his house according to his transcript.
Thanks JB and Frankie. Have a good weekend.
I’m saying I DON’T believe she was with ANYONE on certain days. And I pasted a portion of Jesse Grund’s interview that showed he was thinking the same thing too, as well as Cpl. Eric Edwards. I believe Caylee was “kept” somewhere, sometimes. Like in the trunk of Casey’s car. The statement of mine you quoted was an additional sentence to a previous comment I’d just finished. It wasn’t a stand-alone comment. I hit send before I was really finished talking.
If that’s the case then I will aplologise. Why do you or anyone else believe that Caylee was hidden away anywhere at any time? I’m curious. What makes you think she was kept in the trunk of a car?
Darn it. I copied and pasted the comment that I was responding to and never made myself clear.
Heaven help me. I mean other then her dead body.
Frankie:
Patrick Bourgeois told her ” Mike Walker said to keep your head up”
another little oddity.
A Frank Bourgeosis, was Scheduled to visit Casey in jail 07/24/08 but was a no show, but Patrick did show on that date.
Now, I do not know if they are 2 different people, or one and the same.
Jamie Realander INTERVIEW 08/19/2008 (Temporary “Shot girl” at Fusian
YM: And did uhm, did you get to know her over, I guess you met her in May and
19 about a month and a half, did you get to know her at all? What type of
20 person was she to you?
21 JR: Uhm, to me she uhm, acted as the big sister. She was very nice. Uhm, never, I
22 mean she seemed like an all around good person.
23 YM: Did she ever mention, uh, the fact that she had a child at all back when you first
24 met her?
JR: No. No, when I first met her I didn’t know she had a child. Uhm, I found out
2 through Face Book that in one of her photo albums it was titled, “My Family.”
3 Granted, there were pictures of a kid, but there were also pictures of other family
4 members.
5 YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
6 JR: So I didn’t know if Caylee was hers or a niece.
7 YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
8 JR: Uhm, I never really asked until uhm, a little while later.
YM: Alright. And one of the days you said you worked it was on the 11th of July. Do
20 you remember the, the day, the other day that you worked there? Was it….
21 JR: Uhm, it wasn’t…
22 YM: Obviously it was before.
23 JR: …it wasn’t the Fourth of July weekend because they were closed. It was the
24 weekend before that.
25 YM: Okay. So that would be June 27th?
YM: Uhm, at any time during the two times you were working there, did Casey
5 make any indication to you that something was wrong in her life, that someone
6 was missing in her life, or anything like that that you can remember?
7 JR: She was very content. Always you know, happy. Had a smile on her face. Uhm,
8 I remember I liked her smile, very cheerful. Uhm, no, she never acted different
9 towards anybody or anything never seemed like anything was on her mind.
10 YM: Never gave any indication that something was wrong in her life, or maybe she
11 needed help?
12 JR: No, never. I mean I’m, I’m a very uhm, when it comes to my friends or anybody
13 that you know, I feel like is close to me then I’m willing to help them. But I didn’t
14 feel like she ever needed that.
15 YM: Okay. And uhm, you say on the 15th you remember you, you actually specifically
16 said the date that uh, I guess she got arrested that you had gotten calls. You
17 had talked to her a lot of times throughout the day. I brought up a, a phone list
18 over here just so we can, we can verify and make sure the dates and times. I’m
19 looking at a highlighted area, it say here, uh, July 15, 2008, 1135 in the morning.
20 Uh, it says Jamie Lynn, PBS phone book. She entered you in her phone book.
21 Do you remember a conversation that you had with her, or that conversation on
22 the 15th?
23 JR: Uhm, I do. We talked about a couple issues at Fusion. Just that uhm, whether
24 or not we’re going to work any more after the incident we had the Friday prior,
25 which I think we discussed was the 11th.
YM: And just to clarify, on the 15th the conversation that you had with her regarding
14 Caylee, did she say anything on that conversation on the 15th that, that, that she
15 was in danger, that Caylee was hurt, or Caylee was missing, or anything like
16 that…
17 JR: She didn’t…
18 YM: ..on July 15th?
19 JR: No, she never said anything about her missing or hurt.
20 YM: Okay. Is there anything else about Casey Anthony or Caylee Anthony or about
21 this, I guess the whole incident I haven’t asked you about you think might be
22important or you wanted to share?
23 JR: Uhm, I really don’t know as much as maybe other people would have. And the
24 only times I hung out with her were really at Fusion.
after Caylee’s body was found a 3rd search of the home was done, Cindy Anthony read the warrant out loud to George.
In the warrent it said that a Winne the Pooh blanket was found with the body.
Cindy then she tells police that there was a Winnie the Pooh blanket missing from the home.
Cindy Anthony had claimed before that, that nothing was missing from Caylee’s room, only now did she admit this was not true.
judypc, I remember that, sad imo, that UNTIL CA is shown to be a liar, she WON’T be honest. CA was at least smart enough at that moment to realize they would match it to Caylee’s so lying then would have compounded their headache.
Something else I never really understood about was that CA was the Bread winner for the family. WHY didn’t KC just get honest about Caylee’s father? Was it BECAUSE CA didn’t want her to? A Father would have meant: child support & visitation with Caylee, something that would have REMOVED CA from dominated Caylee’s life & taken the control of Caylee out of her hands. Was it that KC REALLY didn’t know? imo, IF it had REALLY been someone that died, the ANT’s & KC would have jumped on that as Caylee could have received SS benefits from a deceased parent. DID the ANT’s CLAIM Caylee as a dependent on their taxes, if they did, they KNEW KC didn’t have a job for a long time.
CA clearly points out to all the expenditures she paid for Caylee & the money KC stole.
The “father of Caylee” is not important to her murder case, it’s just sad imo that KC decided to DENY Caylee’s father of his rights share her short life.
@Judy pc: I saw the pic of the Winny the Pooh blanket from the hinky meters site and there it was compared with the pic of Caylee on the Winny the Pooh sheet but as Thinker Belle noticed: those were different Winny the Poohs. One was a blanket btw and the other a sheet.
It is fathers day. If Caylees father is still alive, I wonder what he is doing today.
Art:
Who knows maybe the father would have taken Caylee and made a wonderful life for her, but of course that can only be a part of our guess work.
Funny, I had the same thought as you stated about CA, she only tells the truth when her back is against the wall and she see’s there is no way out.
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Ina, I have many bed sets that I have bought extra blankets for, and for a childs bed you would for sure buy extra’s in case they were soiled, Caylee was not yet potty trained so my guess would be there were extra sheets & blankies that were of the same pattern, but not the same set.
judypc, I would have hoped the same for Caylee, that she had a great dad & would have been a positive influence in her short life but we can only speculate, I guess that is something KC thought she would “control,” denying Caylee knowing her father.
Ina, I agree with judypc, I had a dinasour theme in my son’s room, many kinds of dinosaurs, dinosaur linens, stuffed dinosaur, but all were a variation of the theme. Caylee probably had many Winnie the Pooh stuffed animals as well as Winnie the Pooh blankets. imo, IF CA didn’t figure that LE would link this came from the Anthony home, CA wouldn’t have ADMITTED Caylee was missing a blanke imo, CA could ht, she KNEW it would match with something in Caylee’s room.
INA, it is a sad thought about what Caylee’s dad is doing today, wonder IF he ever knew he was Caylee’s father? While we know Jo Jo loved Caylee, imo, she deserved the love of her bio dad too. We will never know at this point I guess.
Art:
The strangest thought just came in my mind.
Earlier, we were trying to figure out the whole weird Patrick Bourgeois visit, and the message he told her ” Mike Walker said to keep your head up”
They were I think suppose to be old school mates, well…. heres my strange thought,
Could Mike Walker maybe be Caylees dad?
Odd the things that pop into your mind sometimes.
I just remembered the look on Casey’s face and her being speechless.
Okay, someone smack me for being weird lol.
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=20507384&albumID=28316&imageID=2583002 I hope he is no ones father not with those GUNS
I noticed that people are bringing up Patrick Bourgious (sp) again. His visit was odd to say the least. Frank Bourgious (sp) was also listed to visit that day with Patrick but was a no show. I know Web Sleuths has threads discussing these guys in detail but there is no definitive explaination on how they fit into the picture. Many comments were focused on Patrick being a good Christian who was dutifully trying to offer support to Casey and others said that he was a “player” who had changed his looks to appear “geeky” to the extent that Casey didn’t even recognize him when he visited. I did note at the end of their visit she said, “oh that kid”. Casey acted like she didn’t know who he was and Patrick explained “who he was” to Casey by mentioning “Mike” and said they were behind her. What does that mean? I think there are many facts that we haven’t put together but we will hear at trial.
I also keep going back to the fact that the location of Caylee’s remains happened to be at the property lines of the addresses of a Gonzalez and a Zenaida. Or was it Fernandez and Gonzales? Either way (if true), it points to premeditation. Foresight and planning on where to hide her baby’s corpse and atempts to tie it into her feeble attempts at claiming her baby girl was kidnapped 31 days after the fact.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68025 got the link here.
If she premediated the killing, she would have gone somewhere out of town, into some forrest or something I think.
Quote: “If she premediated the killing, she would have gone somewhere out of town, into some forrest or something I think”.
Can you just see Casey (or anyone else) going into a forest to live after killing their baby daughter? Out of town. Where? She had no money, no life skills. She’s never paid rent, utilities, gas, incidentals.
Leave town to see Mark Hawkins perhaps? As pointed out up thread, Casey told him she wanted to meet with him to discuss something of importance.
After all this time —AGAIN some are raising the issue of Caylee’s father? AND, WORSE dreaming he would have been a wonderful role model yada yada yada yada —- do some of you live in vacuum???
judypc, when I hear the name Mike Walker, I think of the Gray headed reporter for the Enquirer that is on Tabloid News, I just thought MAYBE the reporter sent Patrick in to get an inside story. CERTAINLY no proof of this, just speculation. You have me curious too, I will look around & see if anything else shows up. Whatever it was, KC made sure that NO ONE other than family visited after that visit. Mike Walker is a fairly common name I would think, it could have been a blast from the past, one she wanted to forget. http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/07/audio-from-case.html
judy, if you go to this site, scroll down to the video of the visit, it is on YOUTUBE & I was afraid if I posted the link it would post the whole video. Look at KC, looking nervous, looking around, come to think of it, he looked odd too with the hat & shades.
http://www.google.com/searchhl=en&source=hp&q=Casey+Anthony+%2B+Mike+Walker+&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=Ct5-uLGYeTLTLEZaizASZosGEDgAAAKoEBU_QqXEU
This is the first time I’ve agreed with Amazed.
Quote: “AND, WORSE dreaming he would have been a wonderful role model yada yada yada yada —”.
I doubt that Casey knew who bio dad was. All it takes is an unfortunate donation of sperm during a night of passion, resulting in a baby. Irresponsible? You bet! Many young men have been taken to court and will be responsible for their off-spring for 18 – 24 years (college education and all of that). I think that Casey never knew who the dad was. Too many options or a one night stand with a first name only, that she didn’t know how to contact.
The bio dad is a non-issue at this point, unless Baez has something up his sleeve.
Why, thank you NosyParker — I’;m with you too except wondering “unless Baez has something up his sleeve.” Like WHAT?? The father is either unknown or dead —- no matter what— why , oh why o ome keep musing about this? NON-ISSUE —- makes one wonder —-
Amazed, do you just drop by to hurl insults? Don’t answer that? I know the answers, I have read your comments.
I am NEVER AMAZED by your lack of contributions & NEVER AMAZED by your latest insult. We will discuss whatever we feel like, you continue to be AMAZED with yourself, other’s aren’t.
NosyParker, we will NEVER know who Caylee’s father is & I think it is possible KC doesn’t know. I think it is equally possible that KC does know. I think it is possible that CA & KC didn’t want the interference with a father in Caylee’s life.
NO ONE knows the answers to these questions, no one. I think MOST would agree, Caylee deserved a father which was NOT a grand parent. At least if she had a father, he would DAMN sure demand that Caylee receive JUSTICE for her murder.
Caylee has grand parent’s who demand nothing except spewing the propaganda that their beloved KC is innocent.
“Like WHAT?? The father is either unknown or dead —- no matter what— why , oh why o ome keep musing about this? NON-ISSUE —- makes one wonder —-”.
Not neccesarily. If they have figured out who fathered Caylee he may be thrown into the mix in the list of suspects. For some reason I doubt that he is dead. If my loved one was a possible candidate in the list of possible Caylee’s paternity, I’d be cowering in my boots right about now.
Didn’t LE say they knew who Caylee’s sperm donor was? Maybe it was the usual media inconsistencies that I’m remembering.
Nosy, Absolutely NO ONE has said this is important. The conversation stemmed from a conversation judypc & I were having over Patrick & she wondered if Mike Walker could have been the father. Just speculation, clearly stated. It is AMAZING to me that those that drop in to hurl insults & wonder why other’s CARE what is being discussed if they are not interested.
For those that aren’t interested in participating in conversations, I don’t understand why they don’t just move on to another conversation they are interested in.
NO ONE KNOWS WHO Caylee’s father is, It is a NON ISSUE! I it was simply a discussion. LE/STATE have NEVER SAID they know who the sperm donor was, sounds like blog rumor or speculation, it was NOT media speculation, we know it wasn’t Lee or Jesse G. It would have been released by the STATE & would have been released to the Defense.
Jeeze, guess some just can not help themselves they just have to be snarky.
Does not matter that no one addressed them, or ask for their bitchy response, or ask that they take their important time to join in.
Noooo, they just feel it is their duty to be the blog police and tell others what they are allowed to post to one another.
NosyParker:
The only thing that comes to mind about L.E knowing who the father was is a statement by Dr. M Baden on Nancy Grace where he said “they know who the father is”
Happy Fathers Day to all the Dads out there! And Moms who play both roles. And Grandparents and others who take up the slack for the love of children. Bless them all.
Art Tart and judypc — you folks think this is YOUR blog === well, guess what — it’s not and if someone chooses to disagree you have a hissy fit… fact is — it gets tiresome — you have no clue who or what I am — and your pollyana thoughts about the baby having a father around instead of a grandfather is somewhat insulting.
Amazed:
There is a big difference in disagreeing and insulting & snarking, and if you do not know the difference then OH well it is just a HUGE waste show me one place where we addressed you.
So Bite Me!!
Pass my post, do not read them simple as that.
If anyone other then Casey, Lee, Cindy or George “knows” who Caylee’s father was, it is not a non-issue, IMO. If it helps Casey’s case, that man who either advertently or inadvertenty donated his sperm to produce baby Caylee will be involved, maybe even blamed for Caylee’s murder. At least to try to create reasonable doubt.
Quote: Art Tart; Nosy, Absolutely NO ONE has said this is important.
I think it’s important and made a comment (or several) which I stand by.
Amazed, we certainly DON’T think this is our BLOG & we don’t have to ask your opinion for what we are discussing on the case, clearly you understand that. Why don’t you just skip the comment on a discussions that you are not interested in EXCEPT to hurl insults!
Amazed, I CLEARLY don’t care anything about you nor would WANT to know anything about you. Your comments represent what you are about. WHAT IS TIRESOME is your predictable insulting comments, sarcastic responses, & insulting others.
judypc, too, Dr. Baden said on Geraldo that “they found Chloroform in the babies hair.”It seems some don’t contribute unless it can be insulting to others’. You just have to laugh, at least they are predictable.
Hey Sunny, good to see you, yes, I saw that NG when Baden said that BUT how would Baden know? Pillowtalk? LOL! Nothing much came of it, of course, it is possible that LK Baden told him & KC really got honest with Baez/defense!
judypc said, on June 20, 2010 at 3:33 pm Amazed:
There is a big difference in disagreeing and insulting & snarking, and if you do not know the difference then OH well it is just a HUGE waste show me one place where we addressed you.
So Bite Me!!
Pass my post, do not read them simple as that.
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HUH??? bite you — how mature is that? Why are you so defiant? And, who is being insulting or snarky (no such thing as snarking) If someone states that repeating a non-issue is tiresome –why do you take offense/ I’ve noticed that a lot of good bloggers have left — gee — wonder why?
Nosy Parker, I think it would be HUGE if Caylee’s father were known, but, I am just stating that there hasn’t been a document released in the case to state that I know of. The MEDIA would have been ALL over that, but instead, they have had articles stating LEE nor Jesse G were father’s. There are a million blog rumors about who the father is, Baden did say they know who the father is BUT he isn’t on the Defense Team.
IF the Defense knew who it was, they will do a deposition on him & so will the State. They say there are no “Perry Mason moments” in Murder Trials any more since most people are vetted, interviewed, & have depositions on them. It is NOT information that the Defense can with hold from the STATE, especially if they are going to TRY to accuse yet another person. EVEN IF the Defense knew who Caylee’s father was, it doesn’t mean it would necessarily help KC as MOST people have alibis in their daily lives including jobs, friends, families. It is also possible that the FATHER of Caylee may not know he is the father as KC didn’t tell him. ALL, just speculation, but it would certainly be interesting if it all came to light, I would be thrilled to find this out as everyone else would be.
I don’t think it’s realistic to say some “good bloggers” have left. What makes a good blogger? I personally get so frustrated with people whose opinions and interpretations of the evidence is so different to my own that I snap because to me, it’s all so obvious. The facts are right in front of our faces. You can’t miss them. I realize that some people choose to ignore the facts as presented and look for some other explaination, any other explaination that negates the obvious. Throw common sense and utilizing your basic intelligence to the wind.
One more time — why don’t you believe that the father died in an accident?
amazed:
Maybe we should all leave and let you have the place to yourself.
So you can tell everyone what the real issues are, since you seem to be the one that decides what is and is not a good subject.
So, I tell ya what, take this blog I will gladly leave it to you.
Hi art tart! I hope you are enjoying your day and that whoever you celebrate on this day is having a good one too! I don’t get to come on too much, I work a lot of crazy hours sometimes. I like to keep up with the case and sometimes there are very good links here.
We are having a great Fathers Day. Hubby is taking his Fathers Day nap. He got up at dawn and went fishing, then he came home and we went to lunch. For dinner he’s getting a HUGE Rib Eye with all the trimmings and he’s gonna drink some beer and watch the race he taped earlier. Happy Fathers Day Honey! You are the best!
Sunny I will say this and then give my head a shake because I’ll get flack. Why are you telling all of us, whose sole purpose on this site is to discuss the murder of Caylee Anthony, about your husbands fishing trip and his rib-eye steak with all of the trimmings that you plan on serving. I don’t get it. You made a point of saying it so I assume there was a purpose? Maybe to highlight it is Father’s Day today? What was your point relating to the murder of Cayee Anthony?
amazeds said, on June 20, 2010 at 3:59 pm One more time — why don’t you believe that the father died in an accident?
Duh!!!! Casey’s a liar!!!!! Especially if she’s talking to her parents which she was when she broke the new that she was a 19 year old high school drop out who was pregnant. But George was thrilled!!! Casey and family brought up several young boys who had died in car accidents . Not just one but two. So really, who was Caylee’s dad? If Casey doen’t know, that’s okay with me. Sh!t happens.
Nosy Parkers, that’s right, it was at least two men that were DEAD KC claimed were Caylee’s father. I read when looking back this morning, one was Jesus Ortiz I think, his parent’s HAD NEVER even heard of KC until she was arrested.
Nosy, I always speculated that if this WERE remotely possible, the whole family would have gone after the benefits Caylee would have been entitled to from Social Security. They didn’t so I assumed it was just another LIE from Casey & Family.
NosyParker, I agree with your comment at 3:57
Nosy said:
I realize that some people choose to ignore the facts as presented and look for some other explaination, any other explaination that negates the obvious. Throw common sense and utilizing your basic intelligence to the wind.
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jmo, there is a % of people on this site that choose to use this idea to base their opinion, but, instead of saying they there is no basis for their opinion OR it just what they think or just their opinions they argue & name call. If you ask them where they got that opinion or idea, that start attacking. Most of us that follow the facts know the game & have are trying not to be “baited into the discussions.”
Well by golly, by gee…another snark fest …. magine that! LOL
I think it might be important who Caylee’s dad is. First of all…if Mike Walker is the dad, cindy would be FURIOUS!!!!! According to the link ina provided, and I have no idea where she got the information, Mike Walker is black. I personally have no opinion on the subject, however, betcha a nickel that cindy anthony would….LOL…..anyone of another race would cause her to go ballistic. cindy anthony made this a matter of speculation with her pronouncement that they would NEVER tell who Caylee’s dad is. That just made everyone wonder why she was so adamant that no one find out…what is she trying to hide?
Of course, cindy could just be afraid they will have to share the granddollars.
I am satisfied that Valhall has shown that george is not the daddy. However, a little thing like the truth would not have stopped casey from watching her mother squirm as she lied and implied that he was.
Old question…
Any information on the Tax status of Cindy and George’s Foundation ?
For people with no jobs, the bank taking the house, mounting legal bills, they sure had on alot of laser engraved gold when appearing on G.M.A..
And how about Cindy’s dream about Casey comming home to their house on Hopespring Dr..
Keep on dreaming Cindy…Keep the dream alive…Unlike Caylee…
Doug, I have checked several times on the tax return of the Caylee Foundation & thus far, I haven’t found anything. They WILL have to file the return for non profit & it will be in the public records. Some speculated that “interview monies or licencing fees could have possibly been deposited into the Foundation,” the Anthony’s could draw it out as their salaries. To think Caylee supports her grand parent’s is disgusting, I wonder how long they plan to live off her tragedy?
Since the Anthony’s are in “mediation” with their home, it will be interesting to see what happens with that too. Wonder what they will tell “Bank of America” their income is since neither work & CA is drawing disability?
Amazed said, on June 20, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Art Tart and judypc — you folks think this is YOUR blog === well, guess what — it’s not and if someone chooses to disagree you have a hissy fit… fact is — it gets tiresome — you have no clue who or what I am — and your pollyana thoughts about the baby having a father around instead of a grandfather is somewhat insulting.
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Yeah… George has certainly proven to be a great Grandfather to Caylee, hasn’t he?
So discuss the case Nosy Parker. What is stopping you? It’s not like there have been hundreds of comments since you made your last post. You don’t have to read my comments or respond to them. I did say that I don’t get to read up on the case very much because I work a lot. I chose not to comment on what was being discussed because I have already discussed it with others who have much more class then some of the ones who were discussing it on here. How did you get to be so mean? Who gave you the right to be so hateful? How sad for you. I don’t know you and we have never spoke as far as I know. Why the need to make that kind of comment to me? I’m not a trouble maker or a troll so why would you treat me like one? No wonder there are only a handful of decent bloggers here. Jeeez! I was really only trying to bring a little light into this blog on this special day. It’s so dark in here.
Btw Nosy, since you care, I didn’t serve him, he served ME! It WAS a great day. Don’t even bother asking for my garlic mashed poatatoes recipe because I’m not giving it to you.
art tart,
why do you care? will it change how you go about your life?
it’s almost as if you get off on this kinda stuff.
sigh
See, Sunny agrees, the same old recycled conversations in here suck!
Old Broken Record and Sunny —- it was actrually refreshing hear some other voices — the meanness and of pomposity of >>> and <<<< regurgetating the same old same old IS OLD — I just want to say — a) glad to have heard you had a nice day yesterday — and — back on topic … I DO BELIEVE GEORGE WAS A WONDERFUL GRANDFATHER —— LOVE AND PEACE–AND whomever was the biodad is a non-issue —
May I interject? Whether you like it or not CAYLEE loved JoJo and I guess that’s all that matters. Pictures speak a thousand words. And what kind of mean spirited person would want to take that away from a Grandfather anyway, especially on Father’s Day. Poetic, I know.
If it weren’t for JoJo and his Grand Jury testimony, Casey might still be serving shots at Fusions.
I have one question. Do you have to hate everybody and call it out of love for Caylee?
theJBmission —- right on target!! Something perverse appears to have happend this this case — with so many other horrific murders — why is this raising some much hate? I thought this, Bill’s blog was a place to better understand the legal aspects of the cases — not to pontificiate about ” so and so did or did not do this and that —” Very possibly the Anthony’s were a rather typical family — albeit with a unmarried daughter who had a daughter — then due to circumstances which WE DO NOT FULLY KNOW — their lives have been destroyed turned up side down through possibly none of their own direct doing — yet they hace become most vilified —remember ‘he who is without sin, cast the first stone” — therefore — no stones should be tossed.
yo hola,
IMO, and that of countless others:
A “typical” family dials 911 at tow yard when they smell a dead body in a vehicle registered in their name when they have not seen or spoken with their granddaughter, they refuse delivery of said vehicle…call in LE immediately, not drive it home with windows down in a rainstorm…..
Also “typical” families don’t lie to 911 operators……
RS —– oh c’mon —– up until that point? Point is —- no family is typical — we all do what we do — a single mother daughter with whom there were problems exists in so many households — right now a young single mother of 3 year old who posted on CrAIG’S LIST as an “escourt” is now missing — what can you say about HER family and her lifestyle —– We shouldn’t imposed our thoughts of what we would do onto others — No excuses — do’t know what the truth is — though I tend to think in terms of a very, very bad drug experience and lifestyle gone tragically wrong —
Say what you want…..but a “typical” set of parents would have KNOWN their daughter did not have a job and confronted her on just that issue alone…
RS — one last statement — Casey was/is an adult—confronting her is probably what cause the big fight — but— there was nothing they could do— after 18 — parents have no “authority” —- they cannoit effect any action — even committing her for whatever treatment —- and that’s it for that —
Pew…smells in here….CRAIG have you headed for the hills? It seems to me the haters and name callers are running rampant and there is no discussion of the case! What a shame.
RS: I sure am happy that none of these people are responsible for my child’s welfare. I am with you….loving and caring parents/grandparents would have called 911 immediately upon smelling that car and the knowledge that their not quite 3 year old grandchild had been missing for (their thoughts at the time) over a month. Panic should have ensued and 911 called. Funny that cindy waits to find casey for an explanation! HUH?
JBM: Do you know george anthony? Because I do not believe that he loved Caylee. If he loved his granddaughter, he would not sit on his behind and allow the money from her death support his sorry butt. george is weird, weird. He was compelled to testify before the GJ or he would not have done so. Yeah, he possibly told the truth, but it is just as likely, that the GJ indicted despite what GJ said. He may have tried to explain away casey’s inexplicable actions, or lack there of, but there is NO explanation…none.
If you lose your toddler, you call the cops. Hollywood fiction not withstanding, you call for help. Oh…yeah, I am the type of mean spirited person that believes the anthonys do not deserve to enjoy the memories of Caylee….they should be haunted by them.
Gotta throw the BS flag big time on most of the last few comments.
They “absolutely” could have affected the way that casey was not caring for Caylee…as a matter of fact, they did know something was wrong but did NOTHING, except send lee looking for her. They could have called DCF for a well child check long before she was missing for a month. Caylee was living in their home. That would not have saved her life, but it would have prevented the animals devouring her carcass. Come on…..who in their right mind would want that to happen to anyone that they loved?
The anthonys could have forced casey to be more responsible or move…which may have been what happened. They could have taken the Pontiac away, it was in their name. They should have stopped enabling her horrific behavior…..and that MAY have saved Caylee’s life.
casey did not go from MOTY to murderess in one night. There were certainly indications that casey was lying for two years about her job, her life. They CHOSE not to see that and in making that choice, they put Caylee in danger.
Tru is playing the original casey call from 33rd street. casey says. . .”The only way they’re gonna find Caylee is if they actually listen to what I’m saying. I am trying to help them”. In retrospect, was she possibly telling her family (in code of course) to follow her “clues”?
hey frankie, IN SESSION will broadcast status hearing today, Baez won’t be there nor will KC. I hope C Mason REMEMBERS what he is doing, surely he won’t be alone.
frankie, I will certainly ignore those that drop in to hurl insults.
Frankie, I agree with your low opinion of the Anthonys. I’m so sure that if I was in their shoes my blood would run cold at the thought that my granddaughter’s murder was providing for as little as a loaf of bread, let alone cruises and cheap bling!!! If they play their cards right they can live off her death for the rest of their lives. I have ZERO empathy for them.
I watched some old interviews with Diane Downs last night and the similarities between her and Casey are clear. She often broke into laughter and smiles too immediately following the murder and attempted murder of her children. After 25 years she is still insisting on her innocence and blaming the Bushy Haired Stranger.
BEES KNEES, boy, does KC & Diane Downs have so many of the same character traits? Did you see the movie, “Small Sacrifices,” made from Ann Rule’s book? It was unbelievable! She too claimed to have been “sexually abused.”
Too Bees, in the case of Betty Broadrick, the murderer of her ex husband, a physician/attorney & his new wife while they slept, is still in prison & will be up for parole in a few years. She still sees herself as a VICTIM but the problem is, UNTIL she can accept responsibility for murdering them, she WON’T be released. Personally, I hope she is never released.
I wouldn’t be surprised IF KC ever took any personal responsibility for anything in her miserable life, imo, she will continue to blame everyone else for Caylee’s murder, & continue to see herself as a victim.
Art, I know. I did see the movie a long time ago ~ also read the book. Diane and Casey were both cut from the same psychopathic monster cloth. Evil. I don’t think that’s too strong a word. Bushy Haired Stanger . . . Nanny . . . It is the classic SODDI (Some Other Dude Did It) presentation.
Art, no doubt you’ve already read this but in case not, Val did an excellent Five Part series of articles looking at Casey’s psychological profile.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/01/08/caseys-profile-an-introduction/
BEES KNEES, thanks for the heads up, I LOVE Val’s in sight, she is just excellent! It will be my next stop.
MR. SHEAFFER comments on STATUS HEARING! THANKS Mr. Sheaffer!
http://www.wftv.com/video/23980452/index.html
OMG! FINALLY the Defense is ADMITTING that the area they have argued about claiming it had been searched where Caylee’s remains were found NOW claim IT WAS NOT!
DUH FENSE~!~ Jeez, EXACTLY what M NeJames & Tim Miller have always said. Exactly! C Mason seemed to have really run off at the mouth today getting so frustrated with Kathy Belich telling her she should to to Law School or ask Bill Sheaffer, you gotta love her! She did just that! Great interview K B did too w/Cheny Mason. Bet Baez could just die watching it!
http://www.wftv.com/video/23980452/index.html
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I just finished watching to “Foghorn Leghorn” trying desperately to avoid Kathi Belich’s questions. He seems to grow more and more befuddled with each hearing. And what’s with that obvious “comb-over” toupee? Silly, vain Foghorn. He should put out for a more expensive hairpiece! Casey Ebola Virus strikes again!
“More PR than substance” that’s what I think too Mr. Sheaffer….as a matter of fact, that sums up my entire opinion of the defense!
After listening to chaney’s post hearing interview, I have learned how to determine who is the best reporter around. Just listen to the supercilious SOB atty and see who befuddles the dumb shiat….THAT person will invariably be told to go to law school and he is not going to answer her questions! WTG KB…you are the bomb. Anyone that bozo and foghorn refuses to talk to is asking the right questions.
Note to self: Don’t spit on foghorn if his britches are afire! What a crock of crap he is. Oh yeah….just my humble opinion!
art tart said, on June 21, 2010 at 12:16 pm I will certainly ignore those that drop in to hurl insults.
didn’t DROP IN TO HURL insults, have already been in here for a looooong time, do you seriously think that just the people posting are the only ones “IN” here? hahah, well that figures. kind of waiting to see if the conversation ever progresses into newer, or just plain different things. and anytime someone comes in to do that, tempers flare. you rather just stick to the same thing, rehashing old issues and doling out your opinions about them. yawn yawn yawn
but remember you’re gonna ignore!!!! so just keep on going……..
yes, it is sad that the TROLLS have such a reputation on this blog. You can always spot a troll, they don’t discuss the case & never have anything intelligent to say, they just drop in to show their ignorance & entertain other’s.
I’m not yawning, I will just continue to laugh as will other’s, except the trolls.
I meant with going out of town: If she had planned to kill Caylee, would she not also have had a plan to dispose of the body somewhere not so urban? Instead of leaving the body somewhere that close to home with all of Caylees stuff leading directly to her?
How can anyone do a psychological report about a suspect he/she never even met? That is such nonsense and has no value, yet I bet readers will love it and believe it. Wo cares about facts as long there is fiction
Ina, I do understand your reasoning. If Casey killed Caylee I do not believe it was premeditated to happen when it did. I believe Casey wanted to go to NY with Tony and
he rejected her doing that with Caylee. There is similarity in the Susan Smith case where
Susan wanted to go with her lover and he did not want her boys. In such case, these
mothers could have left the children with family, instead of killing them. It is very strange that they would not do that. I agree, if there had been premeditation for a long time, there would have been a better plan. It seems more like it happened and Casey did not know what to do. Nothing makes premeditation sense, if you know what I mean. As sad as it is, it is true that the worse scenario anyone can come up with holds the attention of the reader. It appears to be taken on the same level as reading a
mystery. Unfortunately a child died (many children are murder victims) and whether her mother or someone else did it. It is horrible, as they all are. It is a fact that Caylee is
dead, so far, everything else presented to the public gives us food for speculation.
Art Tart, if this is not your private Blog or you are not the owner of the blog why do you
consider others trolls. Where is there a list that identifies you as not being one and say
I am or someone else is. Why is it important to “laugh” and point that others are not intelligent, and where does it say that everything said here has to be based on fact.
and that thought can not be added. Can you point us “trolls” to a blog where you think
we fit and will not be such a bother to someone like you on Bill Sheaffer’s Blog” What is
gained by one or the other of us here to be so rude and selfish with some one else’s blog. .
Old Broken Record
alias JBmission,
alias sick and disturbed
said, on June 22, 2010 at 12:19 am
kind of waiting to see if the conversation ever progresses into newer, or just plain different things. and anytime someone comes in to do that, tempers flare. you rather just stick to the same thing, rehashing old issues and doling out your opinions about them.
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and what exactly do you bring to the conversations in here, or to help a conversation progresses___you just appear at sooooo very predicatable times using different hats & trying to score a cheap point because you were rightly dismissed as a fantasist and fool.
that’s trolling in my opinion
now give us an opinion of yesterdays hearing if you are so concerned with the
welfare of Mr Shaffer’s blog
My take on yesterday was lawyer Mason is losing it, he needs to get aquainted with his teams motions and what were in em. The equisearch thing is getting to stupid now and wont save this vicious murderer.
what do you think?
would apprecaite a sensible ___based in reality answer TY
ps my temper’s not flaring
OTT said, on June 22, 2010 at 3:08 am
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My sentiments precisely —-
finishedlurking said, on June 22, 2010 at 4:58 am =====
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If you’re still around — why do you think that Mason is losing it?
Finishedlurking: I agree. Mason seemed to have little knowledge of the particulars of the case! That is odd indeed for an attorney fighting for a person’s very life! I think he is living in the past when the good old boys ran Orlando and his chumminess was welcomed and rewarded. That won’t work in Judge Perry’s court.
Judge Perry put the State on notice as well when he asked if they had inventoried LE’s records! He won’t put up with trial delays because any of them were sloppy with their work. He seems to be a little more lenient with the defense, however, and this concerns me somewhat. I hope he is absolutely impartial…..as justice should be.
BB: I don’t think casey planned this either. I think it was rage. However, it is my understanding that premeditation is not based on length of time and/or planning. For premeditation to exist, only enough time had to elapse that the perp could have prevented the death. For example, casey had time to see that Caylee was struggling to breathe hence it was premeditated murder in that she did not remove the tape from her mouth and nose.
I am not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV…so I am guessing
Yo Hola! said, on June 22, 2010 at 7:31 am
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If they are doing a 360 on the equishearch motion,then why is it going ahead July 15th (ominus anniversary btw) with the same pleadings.
In that motion they repeated their case rested on witnesses who supposedly searched the exact area the baby was found. Now he’s saying NObody searched .Isnt that what Tim Miller says except for the 32 who searched the general area and who’s records have been turned over.
kinda makes ther need for the records moot.
oh forgot they could have looked at the records months ago__ just too damn lazy and it wouldnt get them their MAIN goal which is in my opinion was always to make Tim Miller look bad and suggest that he was in cohoots with the police.
I think the old man was just caught out yesterday, he’s not that familiar with his own case but jmo___ we’ll find out soon enough
Wow, sure missed a lot since I was last her Sat. morning. Too late to join in all the conversation that transpired.
Hi Bees! Been a long time.
Anyone have an idea what the defense’s strategy is now? It seems that TES is no longer going to be scrutinized, Roy Kronk seems to no longer interest them (according to what I heard yesterday from Mr. Mason’s mumblings), so does that mean that the case rests solely on the Zenaida fable? The defense has me thoroughly confused, almost as much as Mr. Mason seems to be. How could Mr. Mason claim he knows nothing about the Kronk issue? This man just doesn’t seem to take this case seriously. That silly smirking/laughing reminds me of Lee Anthony.
Gosh, maybe in Europe they are backwoods and ignorant…
…….or maybe just a few over there are….
But here, we know all about psychiatric profiling done when the profiler has never met the person being profiled…. a decades old, legit science……not blog BS….
RS said, on June 22, 2010 at 9:00 am Gosh, maybe in Europe they are backwoods and ignorant…
…….or maybe just a few over there are….
But here, we know all about psychiatric profiling done when the profiler has never met the person being profiled…. a decades old, legit science……not blog BS….
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Huh? What are you saying?
Yes we do RS. Psychological profiling is used in many criminal cases in this country…. sometimes even when the criminal is otherwise unknown. It is used to catch a thief, or in this case, a murderess!
I continue to be baffled by those who think casey is so brilliant. she is lucky no doubt, TS Fay was a boon to her ill begotten plan…but she didn’t think past her immediate desires. Had it not been for TS Fay’s rain, TM would have found Caylee and a lot more evidence. casey doesn’t think ahead, as evidenced by her propensity to run out of gas. Those of us who think past the next 15 minutes know you have to put gas in the car for it to go!
said, on June 22, 2010 at 8:57 am
Anyone have an idea what the defense’s strategy is now? It seems that TES is no longer going to be scrutinized, Roy Kronk seems to no longer interest them
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They’re p*ssing against the wind, and how many versions of the nanny story could there be. weve already heard 2. She wont be let loose on the stand (jmo) so they cant give yet another even crazier version.can they? Then there’s the damn car trunk____ Woops
Privately Id bet everything is being geared towards the penalty phase____and from a lawyer’s point of view____that has to be the case. She’s taking it to the wire. They have to try and save her life
from what Ive seen of Mason so far, he’s about 10 years past his sell by date and up against two of the sharpest prosecutors in Florida____ not that I think that’s such a factor with all the evidence in this case.
Would be very interesting to hear Mr. Biaz’s reaction to Mr. Mason’s after court interview yesterday. Wonder if he has wifi on Geraldo’s yacht. It seems that Mr. Mason just blew the entire defense of Casey out the window.
Yeah, I agree, Frankie. He DID seem to be a little more lenient with the defense. That’s what I thought too while I was watching it but it was discussed a bit yesterday and other bloggers feel he was being patient with Cheney because he seemed so ill-prepared. It seemed as though JP had less patience with Linda DB. I hope that I misread that. So far I respect Perry but if he starts being leniant with the Defense that will change. We just finished two years worth of their terribly unprofessional behavior and that’s more than enough, thanks!
And while we’re on the subject of the courtroom, what do you all think about Cindy being able to pass a Mother’s Day card to Casey at one of the hearings? Have you watched the video of her receiving a message on her phone and quickly rushing out of the courthouse? I’m about done with the preferential treatment to this horrible family. What’s up with that? I’ll look for the video and post it back here.
The things that caught my attention in yesterday’s events.
(1) Judge Perry wants no mistakes on the states behalf, telling them check everything twice, do not miss anything.
(2) Mason uses the excuse, “ that was before I came onboard,” isn’t it his job to catch up, if he is going to be the one answering questions in court, and be a part of this defense team, how long will the court accept this pitiful excuse?
(3) Mason saying Cindy had hours before she made the 911 call so it was not an excited utterance, well yes she had hours, BUT, she had just found Casey, and had just been told Caylee was missing for 31 day, so therefore those hours she spent at work and cleaning the car and such are a moot point.
(4) They are backpedaling now on Tim Miller after months of being told no one searched there, they see that this new judge will not fall for their tired games, and they see their star witness that claimed to have searched there are worthless.
Now that they have backed off and admitted no one searched there, how will they make their case that Casey could not have done it, because she was in jail?
(5) Mason’s statement “ No one knows when Caylee went missing” intrigued me, are they really going to try to disprove that Fathers day was the last proven time anyone saw Caylee?
And if so, who’s hands are they going to place Caylee in?
(6) They are backing away from Roy Kronks X-wife and her claims, could it be they found out she was not the most reliable witness to place their case on?
If not Kronk as a suspect, who are they going to aim their guns at next?
(7) Cindy Anthony had better be ready for a full court press come trial, LDB has her in her bulls-eye and is going to tear her to shred’s on the stand, and from the looks of it is looking forward to doing so.
And I myself am as well looking forward to it.
And to sum this up, if the defense lands on Lee & George come trial, which child will Cindy defend, and who will feel the full weight of the bus?
Hi Linda! Yeah, I took a big break from technology and have spent most of my days in my garden so far this summer. It’s the nicest place in town! But it’s good to get back to thinking about the case. I’m so grateful that Perry is moving it along at a quicker speed.
I wholeheartedly agree with you, finishedlurking (glad you’re joining in and not lurking) about Cheney. Richard Hornsby called him Foghorn Leghorn which I thought was a pretty fair description from what we’ve seen so far.
Judy, do you think that even at this late date the Defense still doesn’t know how they will defend their felon?
OTT: it is easy to recognize the trolls. They don’t add anything to the conversation to do with the case, they think by using different names when dropping in to hurl insults that WE don’t know who they are, they continue to try to make trouble, we continue to laugh. This is Bill Sheaffer’s blog & those of us that are ONLY INTERESTED in Justice for Caylee & the legal aspects of her case, are burdened by their constant game playing disruption. Some of the trolls even started their own BLOGS, LOL, but still come here to cause trouble.
Those of us that are here to discuss do in-spite of the Trolls. Hopefully, this BLOG will get monitors to keep the trolls out, check their addresses, & ban them from here as they have been banned from other sites.
I ask a friend yesterday WHYthe tolls were so bad here when there are SO MANY with great opinions & comments on the case are shared she stated it is because this site is UNMONITORED because the monitored sites have gotten rid of them. Sadly, they have come here, imo, she is exactly correct.
muesli said: Would be very interesting to hear Mr. Biaz’s reaction to Mr. Mason’s after court interview yesterday. Wonder if he has wifi on Geraldo’s yacht. It seems that Mr. Mason just blew the entire defense of Casey out the window.
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muesli, I have the very same thoughts! In past MOTION Hearings or STATUS Hearings, Baez considers himself the spokesman for the group, smirking, grinning, promising, but yesterday, C Mason just couldn’t help himself! Only speculating, bet Baez “had NO idea that C Mason would SHARE the Defense’s latest thoughts!” It seems C Mason is the GIFT, like the Anthony’s that keep on giving with their constant running off at the mouth. In one of the hearings, Mason said something to the affect: “It doesn’t mean she did kill Caylee,” but she was in jail. (not exact quote from CM) TERRIBLE choice of words imo.
Lots of good comments & points made by the regulars, I am catching up on them. Has anyone seen anything on the Anthony Foreclosure today? They are supposed to be in Court.
Art Tart, I understand how some can provoke, I am well informed but choose not to
dig at the facts to argue about them. We all have thought to how we want to see this trial move ahead and end. In the meantime, discussion is just that discussion. We can make our points and yet nothing can be done but wait. I am surprised actually, that there is
not more upkeep on this blog. It got off to a bad start, and it appears Mr. Sheaffer has
lost interest therefore Craig has also. Nevertheless, i will continue to read and enjoy
valuable input from all. Perhaps that is where we have a difference, I enjoy reading ALL.
So it is not important to me to try and think one contributes, another doesn’t. I do however, understand how those who think alike enjoy each others company.
This is still a great blog despite the trolls. Sure they are known to descend every once in awhile but normally we all get along great imo. There have been, and continue to be, great discussions here. Yes, it would be better if it was monitored regularly ~ what has happened to Craig? I’m thinking that wftv might put more time into this when we get close to the trial. As it is, Bill S. responds often after a new hearing ~ not always here, but on wftv’s site. And his legal knowledge, along with his easy way of communicating or explaining, is valuable and worth waiting for.
Anyway . . . sometimes over the last two years my mind takes off on these dark tangents and I just want to say if nobody here wants to take one with me please ignore this comment.
What I’m wondering is this. Besides, “shaken baby syndrome” which can be accidental or murder, does anyone know the most common way mothers kill their children? Judy, have you ever came across this statistic anywhere? I haven’t been able to find anything. If you can let your mind go there and you could put yourself in Casey’s shoes, how would you do it? I know I can barely imagine it. My mind kind of flits over it but can’t dwell on it for more than a few seconds, so possible none of you will be able to either, but I’m just trying to think of how she did it, if not with the duct tape. If the tape was added later for whatever reason ~ kidnapping story or bodily fluids then how did Caylee die?
I would like to believe that she was drugged first and never regained consciousness. I don’t know if that’s realistic or not. I’ve heard that overdosing can be tricky because if you have too much you will vomit instead of dying. I know that one theory is she was drowned. There’s also choking, beating, does anyone else have another theory? Knowing Casey a little better now than we did at first, how do you think she did it? For what it’s worth, with or without sedation, I believe the duct tape was the murder weapon.
Bees from the research I have, it seems mothers that kill their children often do so by suffocation.
This covers downing’s, use of pillows, all forms of suffocation.
Fathers that kill their children are often more violent by nature, gun shots, beatings, and arson, men it seems think quick is better, those that batter a child to death is often considered a rage killing.
It is thought that women choose less messy methods, they do not want to see the blood.
I have long held that Casey used the duct tape to silence Caylee, she was angry after the fight with Cindy, she grabbed Caylee and left the house in a rage, Caylee was crying, and Casey in a fit of rage taped her up and threw her in the trunk, by the time she went back and checked Caylee was dead.
To those that think Judge Perry is harder on the state, imo judges are always harder on the state, because they are the ones charged with proving beyond reasonable doubt the person they have charged is guilty.
If the state messes up, it results in a mistrial, or a guilty person walking, all because the state missed something.
So the judge holds their feet to the fire to assure the trial is not a waste of the tax payers money and the courts time.
About filicide I remember that marinade dave wrote a good story about it (did I say that, yes I did. Fair is fair?) ‘Anatomy of a filicide’ and googling I see he also did an article called When a mother kills, but I haven’t read that one.
“More than 200 women kill their children in the US every year, according to a recent study by the American Anthropological Association. ” http://www.associatedcontent.com/article14935why_some_mothers_kill_their_children.html?cat=17 postpartum depression is one of the causes. Did Casey have a pot partum depression? No idea. Not treated, it can take years to go away.
Now whether or not Casey Anthony killed her daughter, I think prevention and early help for a mother who has ppd is important. Sometimes a mother can’t tell what she is feeling, so I think pregnant women and new mothers should be monitored. jmo.
Thanks for that explaination Judy. It’s interesting that women seem to want to “swaddle” then ~ womb-like, right? Do you know if it’s also true that the dump sites they chose are usually close to home? I know I’ve heard that somewhere along the way but I can’t find anything that verifies it.
Your theory is quite believable. I’ve never considered that it was under those circumstances that she killed Caylee but I can see it happening like that easily. We’ve seen from the jail tapes how quickly Casey explodes into rage.
Tell me, what are your thoughts on Mason? You’ve watched his interview from yesterday? Did you hear some guy off-camera who shouted out that Casey was innocent right near the end? And then did you hear Cheney respond by incredibly asking, “Did you get paid yet??????” Wasn’t that bizarre to say the least? What would posses a defense attorney to say such a thing about his own client? It’s got to be dementia, no? And then, THEN he closes with an even bigger whopper when he says “No one knows when Caylee disappeared.” WHAT???????? Poor Kathi was left speechless at that one. I was left gaping too! I wonder what he might have said next if they’d kept the cameras on him and a mic under his nose? What do you think? Senility, incompetence, or just does not care? Possibly ready to leave the case, too? You know I joke about the Casey Ebola Virus infecting everyone who joins Casey’s defense, but honestly it’s really looking that way! It seems to be attacking their brains.
Bees
yes it has been proven that mothers often place the body near home, it is not known why they tend to do this, but it is often within a mile.
I have been very surprised at Mr. Mason, as he was touted as such a super lawyer, thus far I am not impressed with his actions.
Yes, I heard the man shout Casey is innocent, and Mason’s glib response, as I said up-thread his statement about “No one knows when Caylee went missing” really gaffed me.
I can not for the life of me figure out how they would even attempt to say anything other than Fathers day was the last time she was seen alive.
Team Casey had better get onboard the same train, figure out which direction they are heading in and stay on course, they need to pick a story and stick with it.
I can’t find theJBmission’s blog. Is there a valid link?
Thank You.
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http://thejbmission.wordpress.com/2010/06/19/jbs-mission-possible/#comments
Hi all! Judy, I have also thought all along that casey taped Caylee’s mouth shut and threw her in the trunk. I think Caylee was crying for her grandmother and casey was furious. That is one of the reasons I cannot fathom cindy covering for casey. I would literally die if any of my grandchildren were killed because they were crying for Nana. I just cannot imagine.
Judy the Judge reminding the State to double check is reasonable. Thank you for pointing that out. I just hope that Judge Perry does not go overboard. I too think the feigned ignorance of the defense is more than annoying…I think it is purposeful. Judge Perry point blank asked liar mason if he intended to wait until the deadline….mason gave a non answer. He did state, however, that is exactly his intention. I sure hope Judge Perry hears about that. Maybe he will be less willing to believe the defense is as ignorant as they pretend to be.
Not buying post partum depression either. Caylee was very close to 3 years old and MOTY had exhibited no sign of depression, according to nurse cindy. Won’t fly any better than a pig in the trunk did, IMO.
I wonder if the defense is about to pitch good old cindy under the bus? She WAS the last documented person to have Caylee. I also wonder if cindy is acquiescent? cindy may be operating from a position of guilt. Possibly she kicked casey out for the lies and theft. If so, she would be feeling real powerful guilt pangs about it. She shouldn’t, but she may very well be doing exactly that.
Good afternoon everyone, BEES, I enjoyed Val’s article on KC & “eraser killers.” It was insightful & I could certainly see her point.
For those that haven’t read it, Hornsby has a good article on his BLOG about the 911 Call with the Fla. Statutes, etc. I love it when both Mr. Sheaffer & Mr. Hornsby talk about different things & share their knowledge with us.
OTT, those that DON’t contribute & just hurl insults are the trolls that I was speaking about. I agree, there are some insightful people here & I really enjoy their contributions, any links shared, new knowledge & Court Hearings discussed about the case, & are here for those that want to share. We ALL know the trolls that don’t! It seems some of us in “different conversations about unresolved things in the past in the case” were discussing a few things in this case & It really IRKED the trolls with their hurling insults, they are known by everyone. We continue to laugh at them. Hopefully this BLOG will eventually get a MONITOR, they will be banned for hurling insults, & move on to haunt another BLOG that has no monitor & leave this one. It is WHO they are as human beings, just trolls, NOT anyone you would ever WANT TO KNOW!
Things that were released in DOC Dumps last year at this time combined with all the new things we learned this year, put Old INFO in a different light. It shouldn’t hurt anyone if they see one of these conversations we would HOPE they would have the MATURITY to skip the comments.
Curious —- why do some label those who disagree as trolls –and others say this blog is un-regulated —- Neither is correct ! I so miss former bloggers —
Frankie, thanks for the unintentional laugh. When you wrote Judy the Judge, I thought you meant Judge Judy. Same as when I read Mr. Shaeffer’s title, “What Did the Supremes Mean”, my first reaction was why is he writing about Diana Ross.
Don’t feel bad muesli. I did too!
art tart, I agree with you about the bloggers who’s whole reason for being seems to be to plaque the rest of the bloggers that know Casey’s guilty. I would love to hear some new evidence from them or know how they arrived at their claims but I haven’t heard it yet either. The reality of the case isn’t hard for me to accept at all.
muesli, LOL, somebody had the same question about the Supremes. It is always good when we can laugh at ourselves.
Frankie, Judge P embarrassed Mason yesterday. Judge P didn’t look amused at the bumbling Mason & certainly has the Defense’s game as w too in his Motions before Judge P, at least Baez had enough common sense to know it wouldn’t be tolerated. jmo.
Judge P suggested to Baez that the STATE WOULD NOT PAY for a a Jury Consultant for the Defense, Judge P suggested Mason could be the CONSULTANT for the Defense Team during Voir Dire. Wonder if he is better than that than just APPEARING IN COURT & discussing Motions or the Status Hearing.
muesli:
Oh mercy, I just had a vision of judge Judy telling Mason, Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining, get your act together!!
Old Broken Record
alias JBmission,
alias sick and disturbed
said, on June 22, 2010 at 12:19 am
Ya better go back to lurking..LOL
It ain’t me babe, oh no no,
It ain’t me babe
Joke Time:
ATTORNEY: She had three children, right?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: How many were boys?
WITNESS: None.
ATTORNEY: Were there any girls?
WITNESS : Your Honor, I think I need a different attorney. Can I get a new attorney?
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ATTORNEY: How was your first marriage terminated?
WITNESS: By death.
ATTORNEY: And by whose death was it terminated?
WITNESS: Take a guess.
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ATTORNEY: Can you describe the individual?
WITNESS: He was about medium height and had a beard.
ATTORNEY: Was this a male or a female?
WITNESS: Unless the Circus was in town I’m going with male.
Perhaps I should announce that I am not a troll, before I state something oppositional to the popular belief of the small group of people who use this blank-slate of a blog to express their opinions while trying to dominate what is acceptable to say in here and what is not…..
I am not pro-Casey Anthony, nor Pro-the Anthony’s….. my belief is just this…. I do not believe that Casey Anthony will be found guilty of First-Degree Murder resulting in the death penalty. Note that I said she will not be “found” of that. That does not equate to any belief that she is not guilty of killing Caylee. Whenever I state something under this premise, I am automatically considered pro-Casey, pro-defense, etc. Ridiculous and not true! I’m not a troll, I have not been banned from other blogs. I typically only go here and to Hinky’s (at this time) and she’s certainly open to all opinions, and I wish that everyone could follow her good example.
Please stop with the non-sense that one has to back up their opinions with something that is cut & pastable and realize that maybe, JUST MAYBE, someone has professional experience and knowledge, educational, as well as personal knowledge from which to base their opinions on.
If it weren’t for my hope of a new article from Bill, I wouldn’t check here. I suppose I need to better control my desire to click on the current comments. Mainly because I don’t think it’s going to change.
Just a thought…
Does Casey (who never backs down from her stories/lies till she was forced too by law enforcement at Disney, even Cindy couldn’t break her) know that Baez and his “In your Dreams Team” just Flip-flopped on her??
Prediction of the Future…
Baez, after a proper amount of time (so it won’t look like he took the money and ran) will dump her on the grounds that she lied/mislead him.
I don’t believe so, Doug, I’m sure she’s kept pretty well in the dark as to any reality. She’s probably told the same old line “don’t worry, we have everything under control”. I would like to see what her mindset is. If she keeps playing Mason’s promising words, that he will walk her out of court arm in arm, over and over in her head. I could imagine so.
Oh, and I feel Baez just might be as stubborn as Casey and won’t back down. But you never know!!
You’re a swell guy for bypassing all of the craziness in here and introducing new thoughts. Keep it up!
I think they will wait until the very last possible minute to hit her with the hard true fact that she’s gonna be spending the majority of her life in jail. My opinion, or prediction, anyway.
taybos said, on June 23, 2010 at 12:54 am –I AM REPEATING YOUR ENTIRE POST SINCE IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE AND EXPRESSES MY THOUGHT PRECISELY — THANK YOU —
“Perhaps I should announce that I am not a troll, before I state something oppositional to the popular belief of the small group of people who use this blank-slate of a blog to express their opinions while trying to dominate what is acceptable to say in here and what is not…..
I am not pro-Casey Anthony, nor Pro-the Anthony’s….. my belief is just this…. I do not believe that Casey Anthony will be found guilty of First-Degree Murder resulting in the death penalty. Note that I said she will not be “found” of that. That does not equate to any belief that she is not guilty of killing Caylee. Whenever I state something under this premise, I am automatically considered pro-Casey, pro-defense, etc. Ridiculous and not true! I’m not a troll, I have not been banned from other blogs. I typically only go here and to Hinky’s (at this time) and she’s certainly open to all opinions, and I wish that everyone could follow her good example.
Please stop with the non-sense that one has to back up their opinions with something that is cut & pastable and realize that maybe, JUST MAYBE, someone has professional experience and knowledge, educational, as well as personal knowledge from which to base their opinions on.”
Yo Hola! said, on June 23, 2010 at 6:32 am
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it seems Taybos has moved on, and raises an interesting topic for discussion.
How out of the process is Casey Anthony?____does she still think she’s going on her SUV trip? .
how do the lawyers explain all this mitigation and secret procuring of expert penalty phase witnesses__do they tell her its all part of the DP process or do they tell her how bad things really are?
“we’ve got a problem hun_ nobodys going to buy the Zenaida sh*t__ so tell us casey ___ how DID a dead body get in your car trunk”
Doug, I have wondered if Baez EVEN KNEW C Mason was going to RUN OFF AT THE MOUTH & share their latest FLIP FLOP. It seems unusual, thus far, Baez has never shared a theory after a hearing, he always smirks, grins, & says “it would be revealed at Trial or whatever.” I have read in a couple of places that C Mason was “putting Baez in his place,” doing what he wanted to do as the more experienced attorney. I find it hard to believe that Baez had any idea what Mason was up to, but it is always interesting to read or watch the defense SHARE the latest theory, they didn’t even point fingers at anyone this time.
Since Judge P said NO to Baez when he ask for a Jury Consultant, Judge P said C Mason could pick the Jury during Voir Dire, the Defense is STUCK with C Mason, just as the Defense is stuck with Baez imo.
taybos, it is hard “to read by KC’s face what they have told.” At the very beginning of the case, I thought that Baez told KC that “they just had to prove reasonable doubt.” There were no remains of Caylee,” IF, Caylee had never been found, The Anthony’s would be reporting Caylee sightings once a week on National Media. Juries can convict with out a body, but it is more difficult. IF Caylee had never been found, there could have always been the possibility that a few jurors too thought Caylee might have been alive. We will never know what would have happened.
imo, Lyon’s has told KC that things don’t look good. Lyon’s, imo, appears to be very serious about her job, the tension & stress on her face is telling, she wouldn’t mislead her client, & has laid out the facts to KC that she could well receive the DP. Lyon’s & LK Baden did the TODAY show when Lyon’s first joined the team & told them,” I am scared to death for my client.” LK Baden chimed in, “The STATE wants to take KC’s life & Ms Lyon’s is trying to save it.” imo, it is just her style when she represents a client, I think that C Mason & Baez have told KC a different story, as KC’s was smiling & giggling again on Mason’s FIRST court appearance when Mason first joined the team, the hearing in front of Judge S that Mason was showboating. The MEDIA really gave him a lot of publicity as an “experienced DP Attorney with a lot of experience” & “he had a good reputation.” The MEDIA is not saying that now after his performances on KC’s behalf.
Today, imo, Mason looks confused & is even unable to FIND the STATUTE in the hearing before this one, when Judge P had to get his Clerk to pull it up for C Mason. You may well be right too, that things are going to get tougher for KC with her attorney’s less tolerant of her stories.
taybos:
I have found you respectful, your thoughts clearly stated, and a pretty darn sharp cookie.
Enjoy your views and very much feel it would be a loss to not have you posting.
I think some have taken the “troll” meaning wrong.
Not having the same idea’s does not a troll make.
Coming in just to start a fight, name calling, being nasty, snarky, and all around pain in the butt, fighting just to fight or because they have a bug up their butt with one poster, disrupting a site just for the fun of it, thats what a blog troll does.
Doug:
Yike’s, I do not know how the court would look at it if Jose’ tried to walk at this point, imo he is locked in unless he were to lose the death qualified attorneys’ on board, then I am not sure what course the court would take.
That would set this trial back to square one, and I believe the court would bring out some very big hammers to pound him over the head with.
Now, I thought after Mason’s show at the last hearing there just may be some sparks flying when Jose’ gets back, then I wondered, if maybe this was part of their plan to cause a delay, Jose’ returns fires Mason, and now they need time to find a replacement.
Granted, I tend to expect any number of tricks from this defense team, so I could be simply projecting my bad thoughts of them.
But for Jose to walk now, egad’s that would not be pretty once the judge got hold of him.
judy pc, your definition of a troll, imo, is correct. To add, a TROLL doesn’t add anything to the discussion, they just hurl insults at other’s, antagonize, & are here only to be disruptive. Things have been better since most of us are just ignoring them now.
taybos, I agree, I don’t know if KC will get the DP, but I do feel strongly that she will at least get Life Without Parole, imo. If nothing else, imo, there isn’t a strong enough Defense Attorney on KC’s Team to overcome what will possibly be Ashton’s closing statements, his presentation is powerful. While there are some smart attorney’s on KC’s Team, it will be the “presentation during Closing Arguments, their last chance to convince the Jury of KC’s innocence.” While I like Lyon’s, she doesn’t sound passionate in her arguments, imo, but more like the Professor she is, lecturing. The last moments of Caylee’s life presented by Ashton will make a lasting memory on the Jury during deliberations. After the jury sits through this trial for months, see Caylee’s remain photos of the skull with the duct tape, 3D presentation of the Duct Tape on Caylee’s face, everything they know KC did during the 31 days, the list is endless, imo, will be more than the Defense can overcome. Even Attorney’s won’t predict what a Jury will do, but in KC’s case, she will have a “Death Penalty Jury,” some say a “more conservative jury” & one less likely to believe a “dead squirrel was stuck to the frame of her car.”
How pleasant the conversation is today!
Please don’t confuse me with a casey supporter. I think the woman is as guilty as can be and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
I really don’t believe that casey is fully aware of the danger she is in. I think she believes in bozo and company and is banking on them getting her off on a technicality or “reasonable” doubt. casey’s thought processes are very immature and, as I have always said, she is lucky, but not overly intelligent. She is also young and, in many respects, naive. IMO, casey still believes in fairy tales.
Although I don’t care for casey, I truly dislike bozo. I feel he has taken advantage of the situation. He took a qtr of a million $$$ and squandered it. Has done not much to prepare for her defense and now he seems disinterested. The only justice I see being done at this point is poetic. She stole Caylees life and future and bozo may very well be stealing hers. I just don’t think she knows that yet.
Well, you go away for a few days thinking its only a status hearing and wow, Cheney Mason makes headlines. But more than that, he showed he can’t be trusted to mind the store and just how out of touch he is with this case.
“Not his job?”? Did he actually say that?
His comments re TES are just baffling but he just doesn’t seem to get the motion about the 911 calls. LDB did say in court he misunderstood her argument.
But Mason is all hung up on the alledged “excited utterance” of Cindy. Thats NOT what the State’s motion argues. It’s only one part of it.
They want the tapes played as it shows Casey only came up with the nanny kidnap story after her mother had twice called the cops on her and her brother asked her what she was going to tell them.
Cindy can also be heard threatening to go for custody, her asking for one more day and Cindy replying “Ive given you a month”.
The final call has Casey on the phone lying to the despatcher. She says (paraphrasing) “I know who has her, I got to speak to my daughter for a moment” from a number that is no longer in service”. She later tells Lee from jail that the number didnt come up, it was a private listing, so what number did she ring to find out, it was out of service?
Just another one of those extra details from a practiced and habitual liar that’s not too bright.
Betcha Mason has now read the motion.
jillycomelately, Hornsby has a great article about the 911 call, WHY it will be allowed in, the Statutes, etc. LD Burdick was funny in the Status Hearing saying that the DEFENSE didn’t understand her argument. The DEFENSE just doesn’t get it, C Mason doesn’t get it, one of the most experienced Attorney’s on the Team & that’s why, imo, this MOTION will Fail just like all the other one’s, the argument FAILS on the RULE of Law! Mason is a real smart ass saying to K Belich, “You should go to Law School or ask Bill Sheaffer!” LOLLLLL! That she did! Bill Sheaffer said in his interview WHY the 911 call would be allowed in, Guess everybody gets it but the Defense.
You have to listen closely but Mason says that after taking depos of CA’s co-workers. LOL! Mason saw his deposition of CA’s co-worker as IF something new came to light or was profound, he filed another motion for heresay. Burdick HAS ALREADY READ the Defense’s depo! Burdick replied, “IT IS THE SAME as they said before in depositions. (something to the affect) MASON didn’t even read PREVIOUS depositions, the Defense appears to be so far behind the STATE it is embarrassing. Besides filing MOTIONS for months on end & spending over $200,000.00 of KC’s money, it’s hard to see ANYTHING Baez did on KC’s defense. UNTIL experienced attorney’s joined the Team, & Mason ISN’T & may never be up to speed, this is a big mess of a defense for a woman facing the death penalty. imo.
I am NO fan of KC, but, I certainly want her to have her day in Court with competent Attorney’s. After ALL this time, they are still bumbling & confused. After ALL this time, they are still looking for ANYTHING or anyone to blame Caylee’s murder on except KC & at every attempt, they appear more inept, imo.
Outrageous that they are now doing the FLIP FLOP & saying the “remains area” weren’t searched. What is an absolute scream is that they have HAD THIS INFORMATION for OVER a year & a half. Just as NeJames & T Miller TOLD THEM! Why aren’t they humiliated? What did they do with those dated aerial photos provided to them by NeJames, the Water Reports released in DOC Dumps, etc. Seems the Defense is “disconnected,” imo, they are NOT all on the same page about KC’s defense, theories that aren’t plausible, phantom nannies, Phantom Plea that never was as pointed out by Ashton. The SUDDI isn’t going to fly, imo, tick tock!
I am still waffling as to will she or won’t she get the D.P.?
Some day’s I look at the States case and think, yes, but then I come around to the reality of how hard it really is to get a jury to hand down that verdict to a women.
I will say, imo I do not believe her defense team will be a plus in stopping such a verdict, they are simply not well versed, not professional, and not very likeable, the latter can be a huge downfall for the client, as juries tend to allow their feelings for the attorneys’ to drift over to the client, then add that Casey & her family do not present well in public and the downfall becomes the Grand Canyon.
judy judy judy, I thought your response about Judge Judy was too funny, I love her!
I agree, we just can’t know which way it will go. During the penalty phase, the ANT’s will beg for KC’s life & no doubt they love KC unconditionally, they will say she was sweet with Caylee, The State will say KC wasn’t even a nice person besides being a murderer of her own child, stealing from her best friend, & is a Convicted Felon X 6, the Defense will paint KC as a Victim of the Parent’s from hell, GA & Lee sexually abusing KC, CA mistreated KC by belittling her destroying her self esteem, CA wanted to be Caylee’s mother & was controlling, it will be endless as to what Lyon’s will present to SAVE KC’s life & it will ALL be at the EXPENSE of the only people that have STOOD by KC. Some might say it is Karma, I will say, KC isn’t through gutting her parent’s yet.
judypc, someone said last week WHY isn’t CA screaming for that $200,000.00 back? Brad Conway has even said the 911 calls are going to be admitted in, “Without a doubt.” It seems, jmo, back in the beginning of this case, BAD decisions were made by Baez, the hard headed 3 yr. attorney that was denied a License to Practice Law for 8 Years because of his character, thought he knew more than T Lenamon. imo, Baez set in Motion with Bad Decisions with KC’s support a lot of mis-steps due to inexperience, she may ultimately pay with her life or at least Life in Prison. She has claimed she is satisfied with Baez so “Ineffective Counsel” is probably not an Option for an appeal.
judypc, The Defense NEEDS someone PASSIONATE to deliver their closing, it will have to be Lyon’s or C Mason, C Mason’t concerns me with being unprepared, NOT up to speed, NOT understanding the Response to the 911 call made by the Defense, confuse, for being a “seasoned Cr Def DP Qualified Attorney, if KC were my daughter, I would be scared to death. JEEEEZ, I hope Lyon’s doesn’t refer to Caylee as KID like she said on the TODAY SHOW, “I am scared for my client, she didn’t KILL her KID!” Like fingernails on a chalkboard to a parent. The DEFENSE is SO CAREFUL to name mention CMA, Caylee Marie Anthony by name.
judypc, I am going to come back to visit you today, I got screwed up trying to sign in. LOL!
art tart said, on June 23, 2010 at 11:06 am
You have to listen closely but Mason says that after taking depos of CA’s co-workers. LOL! Mason saw his deposition of CA’s co-worker as IF something new came to light or was profound, he filed another motion for heresay. Burdick HAS ALREADY READ the Defense’s depo! Burdick replied, “IT IS THE SAME as they said before in depositions. (something to the affect) MASON didn’t even read PREVIOUS depositions, the Defense appears to be so far behind the STATE it is embarrassing. Besides filing MOTIONS for months on end & spending over $200,000.00 of KC’s money, it’s hard to see ANYTHING Baez did on KC’s defense. UNTIL experienced attorney’s joined the Team, & Mason ISN’T & may never be up to speed, this is a big mess of a defense for a woman facing the death penalty. imo.
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Yes art I caught that and Mason seemed so pleased with himself.
Baez certainly seems to have squandered a fortune with nothing tangible to show for it. Where the heck did that money go? ..someone’s idea of expenses?
Betcha after the trial Casey will want to know?
I agree this defense team are even more fragmented than before and Mason so far has proved more of a liability, but lets face it Casey Anthony has to be the client from hell. Doesn’t report her child missing, g/mother has to do that a month later, has serious evidence a dead body was in the trunk of the car she had exclusive use of, takes the police to a vacant apartment and lies and lies and lies.
art tart:
IMO T. Lenamon was a huge loss for Casey, he was her best shot and Jose’ pissed that away, Lyon will not be the asset to her that he would have been.
I have seen Lyon in court, and people do not like her, I hope Judge Perry will not allow her grand theatrics as other judge’s in the past have, years ago the team I worked with took on a case in Texas of a women on death row accused of killing her mother, it took us almost two years to prove her innocence, she was released from prison not just off death row, fully released and her record cleared.
Lyon does not care about innocence, she credits herself with a win if she keeps the D.P. from being imposed, she would have left the women in prison the rest of her life and considered it a good deal.
To me, that would have been a loss, she was innocent, we believed in her, and we fought hard to prove that.
We worked for free, traveled at our own expense, and sometimes slept on the families floor to work a case if we believed that client was innocent.
We did not troop into court and grand stand acting like the second coming, we did try to uncover every bit of evidence and present it.
And we would not take a case just because it was high profile, the clients we took on were often poor, had an over worked public defender, and could not afford expert witness.
No person should face the D.P. without someone to defend every aspect of saving their life, and if they believe that person is innocent they should fight to their final breath to prove that, if I had one shadow of a doubt that Casey was guilty, trust me I would be beating you over the head with that shadow.
Mason said, “It’s not my job”…Then what is his “job” other than being another piece of eye-candy.
And where did the money go…Baez bought new office furniture, new computers, new suits, a security system for his home (he said he got threats, so he thinks his family is in danger because of this case…lol), and he has taken several breaks/vacations…etc…
$200,000+ does not last long.
lol @ eye candy
Anthony’s lawyers to depose Kronk’s roommate, search volunteer T
he former roommate of Roy Kronk and a Texas EquuSearch volunteer are scheduled to meet with attorneys.
Also, defense attorneys have received more than 5,000 pages of additional documents from the state known as “discovery.”
It’s possible that information could be released before the end of the week.
It would bring the total number of documents released in this case to more than 20,000.
Lovers and dance night Im live!…www.beastmixer.ca
I’ve run out of adjectives to use on that defense Team.
Btw, have you noticed that JB Mission’s blog has deleted nearly all the comments that were made by bloggers that were questioniong JB’s theories? Today all the comments are pro-Anthony. I kid you not. What the……what????
WHOOPS!!! Please ignore last remark. Went back in disbelief for a second look and there they were! Am on glue.
All the comments have been interesting. Doug, I assume Baez took most of the $200,000.00 as his salary, one hell of an OVER estimation of his legal worth imo.
Hey, if Mason is eye candy, I need sun shades. He was a little snaky with K Belich I thought, I love her persistence & she always ask questions that leave them speechless.
Wonder what the Defense fall out will be from C Mason running his mouth, but I guess we will see on the 15th! Should be amusing.
judypc, HOLY POOP! Another 5,000 pages! OMG! I read yesterday that there would be a DOC DUMP but it didn’t say 5,000 pages. TOO COOL! Wonder if Mason will BOTHER reading them or if he will just make stuff up as he goes along?
Hey BEES! LOL!
Btw, have you noticed that JB Mission’s blog has deleted nearly all the comments that were made by bloggers that were questioniong JB’s theories? Today all the comments are pro-Anthony. I kid you not. What the……what????
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BeesKnees,
Nothing happened to your comments. I think they were nestled and you didn’t see them. I changed the comment format without the reply option now to make it easier for everyone. I left you a comment and was hoping you’d come back to read it.
Anyway I found you here to let you know you were mistaken. I think you know me better than that anyway.
Oh well, happy chatting. I just wanted to let you know what happened.
art tart, it is sick how excited you get. this is not the superbowl where you are rooting for your favorite team. a child was murdered, at least try to maintain your enthusiasm for god’s sake.
Mr Sheaffer (sometimes we forget it is your blog) : “American criminal jurisprudence is predicated upon the presumption of innocence. Because an individual is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law, the prosecution alone bears the burden of proof.” So the defense doesn’t have to proof innocence??
“The state must present evidence that the accused is guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt.”
http://www.thejusticeproject.org/wp-content/uploads/polpack_discovery-hirez-native-file.pdf
“In 1963, the United States Supreme Court issued
I am not sure what it does to bandwith (I don’t understand bandwith) so I just suggest click on the link.
a landmark decision in Brady v. Maryland, a case in
which the prosecution withheld important exculpatory
evidence from the defense. The Court found the
failure to disclose relevant exculpatory information, or
information that would tend to negate guilt, to be a
violation of the defendant’s due process rights, ruling
that the prosecution must provide the defense with
any evidence in its possession that is material to the
defendant’s guilt or punishment. ” So the defense must get all discovery but what is material and what not. Interesting but long article.
Ina are you suggesting that the state is withholding exculpatory evidence that would help Casey in her defense? Judge Perry did not allude to that possibility.
Judge Perry was referrring to releasing any possible inculpatary evidence that will be used to convict Casey Marie Anthony in the murder of her 2 year old daughter Caylee Marie Anthony. No surprises right before trial will be allowed from either side. That’s the law.
Maybe Casey’s team are planning on offering no defense but to discredit the states case and then if they find they’re losing they may throw in a mental defect defense like multiple personality disorder to explain the nanny (due to her extreme abuse as a child – right!!) they may be in trouble. Hell who am I? just a typical juror. Does that count?
handjive, I am excited for the JUSTICE that the STATE will get for Caylee Marie Anthony, YOU certainly DON’T have to remind me what this case is about, after all, NOT even Caylee’s grand parent’s would DEMAND JUSTICE for her murder, the STATE will get JUSTICE for Caylee. I am excited, I can’t wait UNTIL the trial for a conviction, & hopefully KC will get the Verdict she deserves & the Anthony’s will GO to work & quit bilking Caylee’s Tragedy for every dime they can get out of it.
If you don’t like my comment, that’s too bad!
No nosy parker, I am not suggesting anything at all. It had not crossed my mind.
I just wonder what is material in this case and what not. A lot is not, of course. If the prosecution would come across anything that would imply someone else did it, what happens then? Are they obliged to tell the judge, and what if they don’t?
Courtesy of Richard Hornsby blog. This is Mason’s response to LDB’s motion on the 911 calls. She was right , he didnt understand her argument.
http://www.richardhornsby.com/blog/uploads/2010/06/20100616-Defense-Reply-to-State-Motion-to-Admit-911-Calls.pdf
Mason’s motion makes no sense. Part that I like best…
That because Cindy appeared on TV and said she made it up, that that addmission alone, by itself, proves it wasn’t an excited utterance…
He makes no mention about Cindy finding out that Caylee was missing. He just blew right over that part…
Now I understand his comment on how no one knows when Caylee went missing. They flipped on the flooded ground story after wasting months and months on it, and now they’ll do the same with the “no one knows when she disappeared” argument.
And yes, it appears that Cindy is willing to do some jail time (for false reporting…etc) to get Caylee’s killer out of jail so that they can be one big happy family again. Only this time with money and jobs (courtesy of Caylee) and no snot nosed brat dragging down the fun.
What Mr. Mason is skipping over is the fact that when Cindy made that 3rd 911 call Casey had just admitted Caylee was gone, and had been gone for 31 days.
So, any actions previous to that knowledge is moot.
Doug:
Did you catch LDB in court when she talked about Cindy, and did it seem to you that she is looking forward to ripping Cindy a new one come trial?
jillycomelately, You are correct, C Mason just doesn’t get it nor does the entire Defense Team. It is hard to understand that as long as C Mason has practiced Law, that he would make this argument failing to understand exactly what happened & why.
Mason fails in his argument to share that Lee/KC finally told CA that Caylee had been taken by the phantom nanny & hadn’t been seen in 31 days, hence, excited utterance. The chain of events that led up to the 3rd call tell a different story than the story Mason would like to tell.
LK Burdick did a good job, imo, showing the progression in her argument, & the first time KC “invents” Zanny. LD Burdick’s body language in Court seemed to show she was a little irritated with C Mason who wants to argue the MOTION, LD Burdick, imo, didn’t want to waste the Court’s time on the MOTION as it will stand on it’s Legal Merit, the Defense’s will not, & the Defense will Lose this Motion, but then again, even though it is a losing MOTION, it is more TV Time for the Defense. jmo.
I can’t wait for Cindy and George to take the stand. No matter how much coaching they are getting, it will not help them, they will explode on the stand. I suspect Cindy will medicate herself to try and appear calm.
The court should auction the seats just to repay the taxpayers for the costs of this trial.
Doug, it will be interesting to see their performance, imo, they will probably be considered “hostile witnesses” by the STATE because they will be unable to “show self control” while being “forced to answer honestly.” LD Burdick has watched the Anthony’s lie, lie, & lie again during interviews, MEDIA Performances, etc. The ANT’s will be FORCED to say exactly what they said during their depositions with the STATE or face perjury charges. CA seems to do better when she is in CONTROL of the interview, like the soft interview she just had with GMA, but Burdick/Ashton will have little patience if CA tries to get “snarky” & the jury will not see CA as a sympathetic figure. imo.
You know it’s a slam dunk for the prosecution when not one reasonable explanantion from anyone (including Andrea Lyons entire classroom of pre law students) experienced Lawyers, talking heads, some really smart bloggers who have followed this case from day 1 can come up with a believable reason for Casey not being the person who killed her daughter.
It’s just like a puzzle. Once the pieces are all put together (Thanks Val) the only piece I don’t think we will know is HOW Caylee died, Casey went to great lengths (which made her appear guilty as hell) to keep Caylees body hidden, assuring herself there would be nothing left but bones.
art tart
I have a feeling there will be an amended motion from the defense on this one, or actually another couple to cover ALL the parts of the 911 calls, they don’t want a jury to hear.. LDB clearly told him this but youre right, why should she waste her breath.
BUT..on that point…does anyone think that Mason’s hearing problem is a
bigger handicap than was first thought? I just watched the hearing again and I genuinely think without Baez there to translate he misses a hellavalot of the proceedings. Not that this excuses his original inadequate response. That comes down to laziness, stupidity, arrogance or a combiantion of all three.
Maybe his batteries had run done.
*Art tart
This sounds mean , but I hope Linda and Jeff push her (Cindy) buttons as soon as the gate opens. It won’t take much. Hmm……lets see. If they ask about the calls (she’s in lie mode). The cleaning of the car……The conversation with Casey after dropping off Amy…….The invisible nanny……. The stolen money from her and her poor old mother ……. The switching out of hairbrushes……..I think the list could go on for pages of questions that will set her off.
Well Diana — alert the procecution — don’t waste the state’s money — just listen to you — REALLY — AND YOU TRULY BELIEVE that you are privvy to all information and evidence to make this conclusion —why then should folks go to law school — spend years and money when all that has to happen is a 24 hour cable cycle and blogisphere —–
I have feared all along that the anthonys will willingly do jail time to protect casey…or whatever it is that they are hiding. I will be glued to the TV on the 15th!
I wish Mr. Sheaffer would come back and discuss the designation of a witness as “hostile”. I sure do think the ants would be “hostile”! I just wonder if that designation will help the State get the truth out of the liars…….LOL That’s kinda like getting blood out of a turnip isn’t it?
Yes *Yo Hola
I do believe that! With the evidence that has already been released Casey Anthony has murdered her daughter. Yes I do believe that. WOW…chill already.
Diana —- you probably need to chill — fact is — not every thing has been released — much more to come — seriously — why do yiou believe the judge et al are wasting their time and stte’s money if it’s a slam dunk — why do you think certain prominent attorneys have come aboard if its all an exercise in futility? Do you think Bill started this blog — TO EXAMINE AND DISCUSS THE LEGAL ASP0ECTS just to keep this issue before us? I don’t know what happened — who did what and why — there is no such thing as a slam dunk — in fact, under certain definations YOU could be perceivced as a troll — some one 3who comes tothis blog — not to discuss legal aspects or question procedure — BUT TO PRONOUNCE WHAT THE EXPERTS WHO TRULY KNOW aren’t ==== but as it’s said far often ===== jmo.
frankie — I too wish Bill would return and explain some terms — eg “hostile witness” and how they may be treated — but — maybe he doesn’t want to, since far too many come here to make statements, irrespective of the scales of justice and the rules of law.
I think it is a huge mistake to dismiss mason as a bumbling idiot. I think he is arrogant and dishonest, but I think his idiocy is a ploy. He and bozo need to realize that this is not the OJ case and they are not cochran and crew. IMO that is how the defense sees things…a repeat of the OJ case. The public in general is better informed about forensic science and the process is substantially refined. I also don’t think Judge Perry will allow such shenanigans in his courtroom. He will demand both the State and the defense to be concise in their presentations, IMO. No overwhelming the jury with willy nilly BS such as mason did with the press. Someone made the statement that the more educated populace tends not to sit on juries. That may be true in certain places, but I don’t think that is the case in FL. We have a huge population of retired individuals that are well educated and are available to sit on a jury and be sequestered if need be. I don’t think the defense can keep well educated, intelligent individuals off the jury…no matter how hard they try!
good morning frankie & diana. Frankie, I wish I thought Mason was “just putting on an act,” but his performance as the “confused attorney NOT even being able to come up with the Statute he was TRYING to think of in Court in front of Judge P, NOT being able to find his paperwork, & Judge P having to have his clerk pull it up for C Mason had to have been humiliating. imo, C Mason is “too proud & grandiose” to act disconnected, confused, & inept, especially when the cameras are rolling & it is being televised on IN SESSION for everyone interested in the case to watch. For C Mason to appear competent, he will FIRST have to READ ALL the documents in this case & get up to speed, something he hasn’t done, not even reading depositions of CA’s co-workers. imo, Mason is no one’s fool & is too ARROGANT to appear as one for KC. Mason can certainly get up to speed in KC’s case, but imo, this will hardly be “fun” as he statedin previous interview.
It seems C Mason has missed the whole point of the State’s Argument on the 911 call, Hornsby broke it down as to why it won’t fly. It had to be embarrassing for Mason to have LD Burdick say in Court the Defense “didn’t understand her argument.” He had to have been “embarrassed when LD Burdick pointed out there was NOTHING NEW in the deposition he did with CA’s co-worker.” For the past two Court appearances Mason has performed the same, both televised on IN SESSION.
I agree, Mason & Baez might see themselves as “Johnny Cochran” in OJ’s case, but even Johnny Cochran represented a “well loved NFL hero,” a lot different than someone suspected in the heinous murder of her child. Baez, imo, is just inexperienced & has made bad decisions, Mason, imo, has 18 months of DOC DUMPS to catch up on, he is disconnected, & imo, it shows. Guess Mason will wipe that stupid grin & smirk off his case when the Ruling is released after the 15th on the 911 call, I guess K Belich will have a big laugh at his expense. Maybe the Defense MIGHT need to Muzzle C Mason, he doesn’t do well either when interviewed.
Thanks JB. You’re very gracious about my f -up. Sorry.
Hi Frankie, Judy, jilly and art tart! Cannot wait for the next doc dump.
Diane, that’s what they own us, in my opinion. Each one of them ~ a thorough raking over the coals at the merciless hands of Ashton and Drane-Burdick! Hee!
Doug, that’s what I saw happening right from the start, too. And, like you too, Frankie, I’ve suspected all along that George and/or Cindy would be willing to take the heat. Even do a bit of time maybe. We’ll see . . .
art tart, I am so with you about Cheney Mason. Sit DOWN Mr. Mason, and learn this case you’ve boasted of winning. Maybe get some emergency image make-over. You know, honestly I can hardly stand to listen to any of the Defense or the Anthonys talk about the case anymore. Jilly, it’s his arrogance that gets to me. Who could believe the complete lack of understanding, respect or sensitivety that made him think it would be ok to describe his joining the Defense of the most reviled woman in North America as “Fun!” Right off the bat he blew it and he hasn’t recovered. I don’t think he will, he seems more bewildered with each hearing for some reason. I guess it could be something as basic as loss of hearing but you’d hope he would recognize the importance of HEARING in a murder trial!
art tart, I tend to agree with that ~ I don’t believe that CM wants to be thought of as the befuddled, comic relief. I think he’s genuinely confused. I’m not sure why. It could just be he hasn’t brought himself up to date. I guess. I don’t know. Odd.
the amazed on June 18th is not me mixologist. Must be another person who is amazed as I am.
I wouldnt dismiss Mason but there is no doubt he has had ,shall we say, too many senior
moments since joining this case. And maybe his motivation just isnt what it used to be.
But so far, he’s not proving himself an asset. His comittment imo is questionable.
Yeah, I do agree with you about his commitment. Honestly, for the life of me I don’t see why this case attracts these big name lawyers in the first place. Why can’t they see they haven’t much to gain by defending Casey Anthony? If they miraculously got her off on a technicality or something can you imagine the public outrage? I’m obviously not seeing things from their perspective cause I really don’t get it. The intelligent ones (NeJames, Lenamon) removed themselves early on.
Hi Bees! Everyone else too!
Jilly: Too many senior moments or maybe watching a little too much “Boston Legal”? Maybe he thinks he can pretend to have mad cow disease like Denny Crane and win they way Denny does on BL! LOL
Note to foghorn: The CANCELLED Boston Legal!!
frankie said, on June 24, 2010 at 2:58 pm
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LOL frankie
The man with the Plan!
I wondered WHY C Mason was brought on Board to Start with, imo, Lyon’s will argue AGAINST the Death Penalty & a lot of the Case as I as sure C Mason has been promised he could do some also.
imo, Mason could have been invited in to share the MEDIA LIMELIGHT because he is local, a FLA. Death Penalty Attorney as Lyon’s has filed some Motions incorrectly because Fla. law is different, & so Mason could SIGN OFF on all those Motions Baez works on incessantly. I am speculating, since this is a Death Penalty Case, Baez is doing the grunt work & one of the DP Attorney’s are having to sign off on the Motion. If not supervised, I would speculate a MOTION Baez wrote on his own could be appealed.
Of course, they might have just invited C Mason in for his good looks! LOL!
art tart
I heard Mason was renknowned for his cross examination skills. Hope he doesnt get his depostions mixed up like his cases. But Baez can keep him straight by passing him the right one. lol
Seems a given, Kenny Baden will cross examine the “experts”
I dont see Lyon spending 4-6 weeks pro bono attending the guilt /innocence phase. I think she will make appearances but mostly she’ll be preparing for the penalty phase.
I think as far as the jury is concerned Lyon would steer clear of the guilt phase. That would make her more sympatheric figure as opposed to someone who’s associated with arguing the evidence and the more gruesome details of Caylee’s death.
LOL at Art Tart’s good looks comment! Yeah, right?
If I understand it correctly, a DP qualified attorney must be the lead attorney, not just on the case. If that is the case, bozo is second chair.
Wow, missed a lot again. I finally watched the WFTV video of the status hearing just now. Yes, CM seems confused.
It is amazing that it is lost on CM that yes, Cindy smelled decomp in the car, mentioned it to co-workers, went on with her day, running errands and all, and after Casey “finally admiited her daughter has been taken”, Cindy put 2 + 2 together, meaning the smell of death in Casey’s car that has been sitting in impound since June 27 (?), Caylee is gone and after figuring our 2+2=4 made an “excited utterance”connecting the smell of decomp/death in Caseys car that she just found, and her no-where-to-be -found granddaughter.
“Taken by a Nanny”….And as someone above quoted Judge Judy “Don’t Pee On MY Leg And Tell Me It’s Raining”. Casey has been peeing on everyone’s legs. Cindy and George’s legs must be a nice shade of yellow after all these years.
AND I am ROOTING for Team Caylee! I am rooting for the team to get Casey Marie Anthony in prison for the rest of her life for killing HER DAUGHTER, Caylee Marie Anthony~!!!!
frankie, your right, actually, Baez is serving at the pleasure of Lyon’s, then C Mason. Do you remember the MOTION the STATE filed to FORCE Baez to bring in a D Qualified Attorney? The State pointed out “he wasn’t qualified.” He then brought Lyon’s on after that, IF Baez would just do the ethical thing, once the case was a DP case the 2nd time, HE KNEW he could NOT sit first chair NOR lead the team due to his lack of experience, he wasn’t qualified. BUT! He did have KC’s $200,000.00 in which he probably didn’t want to share. INSTEAD of just doing the ethical thing, bring a DP Attorney on, he was FORCED & embarrassed by the STATE to do so as the Motion was ruled in their favor. imo, he just doesn’t get it! Poor Baez, with 2 D Qualified Attorney’s, he has moved to chair # 3! LOL!
jilly, your right! I had forgotten that was he strong point, thank GOD, I am relieved to know there is one. In Mason’s defense, this is a LOT of information to catch up on, but with all his experience, looks like he would just ZIP it at least UNTIL he reads ALL the background information on what he is going to shoot his mouth off about. Poor C Mason is SO FAR behind & the according to WESH, the STATE will release another 5,000 pages tomorrow, the article said many pages were said were letters to KC!
Hey LindaNewYork, at least you can read what you missed, Poor Baez had to watch the interviews C Mason was “staring in due to his absence.” Good to see you.
Hey guys, remember the little dog & pony show put on before Judge Strickland left the case by C. Mason where he questioned Lyon & Jose’ and he ask Jose “are you the lead attorney” and Jose muttered “yes”
As if he did not want to answer that question, so he is still lead attorney of record, on paper anyway.
Frankie, I tend to lean in the direction that Mason is putting on this befuddled act as well, thinking it gains him some edge with the judges juries & public opinion.
I however do not see Judge Perry going along with this clown act for long, and we are already tired of it so imo a jury will as well quickly grow weary as well.
Hi frankie, jilly, art and Linda! It’s the blind leading the blind in that defense team, no? I just don’t know what to make of them. art, “for his good looks! LOL!” ~ Something tells me he would agree with you! Do you think Baez will leave him in charge again? Ha ha ha . . .
Linda, you’re right. We do have to keep the focus on Caylee. We’ll hear her loud and clear at the trial.
Good point, Judy. We have to have faith in the jury recognizing them for exactly what they are.
Bees:
I understand a lot of what will be released tomorrow will be letters Casey has recevied in jail.
Everyone clean your glasses and get ready to get eye-strain 5000 pages EGADS!! lol.
judy pc, is it of LEGAL record though? I don’t think so. When I saw that with Judge Strickland, I thought they were referring to Baez as the “Spokesperson for the Group as there were SO many attorney’s at the Defense Table, his offices are local & all the out of town attorney’s are working out of his office, he is the MOUTH PIECE to the MEDIA when he is present.” The LEAD Attorney on KC’s case can ONLY be an attorney who is Death Penalty Qualified. That would not be Baez. Baez can’t make decisions on KC’s behalf without being supervised BY a Death Qualified Attorney such as Mason or Lyon’s & I will be surprised to see how much he participates in KC’s trial. With 2 Qualified Attorney’s, they really don’t need him & I would think he will be limited as to what he could do. That is why Lyon’s/Mason have to sign Baez’s MOTIONS. Baez cannot legally be Lead Attorney as was stated in the MOTION filed by the STATE that forced Baez to bring on Board, a Death Qualified Lead Attorney. Baez didn’t bring Lyon’s on because he wanted to, the STATE forced him to do so in their ruling to the MOTION.
I agree, Baez didn’t really want to answer that & Burdick/Ashton could have embarrassed Baez but didn’t.
That’s how I understand it, too, art tart.
I’m looking forward to tomorrow’s release ~ it does look pretty interesting. Letters written from people outside of jail to Casey. I wonder if any will be from people who’s names we already know? But 5,000 pages! GAH! My eyes!
JEEEEEEEZ BEES! Wonder if those writing KC’s letters realized they were going to be released? Wonder if any will be from GA/CA.
Do you remember awhile back when Baez was reprimanded for delivering mail back & forth from the ANT’s to KC & vice versa? The ANT’s were pissed, Conway said Baez READ ALL KC’s mail, SO, the ANT’s were going to MAIL their letters directly to KC!
Hinky dissected Cheney’s “Anthony-speak” brilliantly.
She said, “Cheney turned the whole “TES searchers were there, weren’t there or were knee-deep in alligator issue” into something closely akin to “Anthony speak”.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
Good point *Bees
If by some snowballs chance they can actually get her off on a technicality, the public will be outraged and what kind of a life could she expect to have out in the public? She thinks she will buy an RV and drive around the country with her prison pal (she’s thinking like Thelma and Louise), but it aint gonna happen. I predict she gets life with the possiblility of parole after 40 years. JMO of course.
At least 40 years.
BEE KNEES, thanks for Hinkey’s link, I will read her take this evening, she is enteraining as well as on point!
Diana, that is certainly a possibility that KC could get 40 yrs., I don’t live in Fla., But Mike Iglarsh, Criminal Defense Attorney & Analystdoes live in Fla. & he says you do the entire time in the State of Fla.
Just as long as she is too OLD to REPRODUCE! jmo.
I can’t believe how gullible some people are. No wonder, everyone gets into a tizzy. The assumptions here are rich.
CM was toying with Kathy Belich. Obviously, when he offered to pay the guy who yelled out “Casey is innocent”, which I thought was hilarious.
As for the hearing itself? IMO, it was boring and uneventful but it’s good fodder for the news media who’ll put whatever spin on the story to sell more Caylee Anthony interest. God Bless her.
Just had to interject and exercise my rights. So be it. Carry on.
So is it a fact that George and Cindy Anthony will be witnesses for the defense or prosecution during the trial or will they not be called in to do that, has that been decided yet? (I can’t remember it was said here if so, sorry
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I suppose if the defense would want to question them, they would practise a lot in advance. Or is that not the way they do it?
Wouldn’t do any good to practice, they would still probably do little twists to their
answers. Add a little here and there, take away a little here and there.
The would be under oath I suppose, but what does that mean, if they don’t have a problem with lying, they would not be bothered with such a thing as an oath.
(Glad I am no judge. Too complicated
)
Thanks jb
Can always rely on you to bring some levity to the discussion.
Much obliged
How could I not have seen through Mason’s devilish toying and superior intellect?
There is no such sentence as Life + parole after a certain number of years That is an oxymoron. Life means life. There is a chance of parole for Lifers, but would have to be done via a formal request by the prisoner. Usually they cannot even apply for parole until they’ve served 15-30 years of their sentence. The decision would be handled by the court and based on the prisoner’s good conduct, rehabilitation, etc.
It’s either Life or Life Without Parole. Unless it’s a “15 years to Life” for example, which would mean mandatory 15 year sentence with wiggle room in the future tomax it to Life.
Ina said, on June 25, 2010 at 5:04 am
The would be under oath I suppose, but what does that mean, if they don’t have a problem with lying, they would not be bothered with such a thing as an oath.
(Glad I am no judge. Too complicated )
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I, for one, am really glad you are going to be neither Judge nor Juror in this case because it isn’t at all as complicated as you’d like to make it out to be.
5,000 pages! Yikes. Won’t be able to read til tonight. Judypc, I will make sure I clean my glasses and drink lots of coffee!
Yes, read Hinkey’s “Anthony-speak”. Do you suppose it is a disease that effects all those associated with them? Just like everyone who tried to help got “body-slammed”?
Taybos, as far as the murderer being sentenced I could sware I’ve seen people get “life without the possibility of parole” OR life WITH the possibility of parole after 25, 30, 40 years. I think she will get life without the possibility of parole.
I am wondering again if the defense is going to stick with the Nanny story or come up with a “Caylee’s death was an accident and Casey was scared and lied, blah, blah, blah”. I cannot make out yet what their strategy is.
Also, it seem nowadays being under oath does not compell people to be truthful. Especially the Anthony Family.
Good day to all. See ya tonight.
Thought in Florida its MANDATORY life for first degree murder.
taybos said, on June 25, 2010 at 5:23 am.
“There is no such sentence as Life”
taybos, that is why imo so many feel the D.P. should be on the table, Casey should feel the fear of dieing even if the jury does not hand it down.
Casey and her RV. I always wondered where she thought she would get the money for that RV…Maybe she has some Caylee money stashed away ?
I also wish some people would get those “Have You Seen Me” Caylee shirts all the Anthony’s USE to wear and put duct tape over the mouth with a heart and change the wording to “Remember Me”, and just line up nice and quite outside the Court House so George and Cindy HAVE to walk by them.
See Cindy, your not the only one with dreams in this case.
LindaNewYork:
Yes you have seen those sentenced, but the fact remains LWOP is not always that long, look how many times Charles Manson has been up for parole, it is only the people on the parole board that keeps him locked up by saying no.
Doug:
Your “Remember Me”, idea OMG how fitting that would be.
“We have a defense in which we believe Casey Anthony is innocent and we will show that at the trial. As much as we want to go out there and scream it from the top
of the mountains, we don’t feel that’s in her best interests.”
It’s her against the world right now. Quite frankly, it doesn’t do any defense attorney any advantage by disclosing what their defense is before the trial.”
Jose Baez The Today Show
I do not know if it is still used, but in the past a person could be sentenced to life + XX years. If so sentenced, he/she could be paroled on the life sentence when up for parole, but then would have to serve the XX years after he/she was paroled on the life sentence. At least that is what I remember the explanation being many years ago when I asked about someone being sentenced to life +.
ThoughtElf said, on June 25, 2010 at 6:13 am I so totally agree!!! That would be a fiasco, no? he he!! :;
What is up with bozo and his “surprise” element? How childish he is.
“Not only is this brand of tape the most widely sold in the United States, the State is relying on comparative analysis just like comparisons exposed as flawed in the study of bullet lead in 2004. These chemical studies have put hundreds of innocent people in jail.”
Linda Kenny Baden 02/18/10
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Flawed comparative analysis – the study of bullet lead in 2004. ? Hmm… Not exactly Linda
The most widely sold duct tape in the nation? Actually , No Linda its extremely rare:
This is what’s known as guilding the lily, underestimating your audience or just plain old lying one’s arse off on national television.
But I guess they have to play with the cards they have been dealt.
First of all — why do some think they know more than a trained individual— anyway — I have heard of a sentence of 99 years —- but — hopefully, Bill could let us know the available sentences in Forida—-
Maybe that is their “surprise” …that Henkel brand is extensively sold. Maybe it is, but the TYPE of Henkel that was put over Caylee’s mouth and nose is out of production!
I think the “surprise” is something they think will be important, like the aforementioned tape BRAND, but I don’t think they will confuse the jury with that nonsense.
Anyone know what time the Doc’s are going to be released?
Now really, ask yourself this.
You are setting in jail, there is proof you are innocent, all your law dawgs have to do is show it, would you set in jail two or three years waiting?
I think NOT, I would be screaming get me the heck out of here, show them the proof damnit!!
Not only would you be screaming get me out, YOU would also expect Jose would not have charged 1/4 of a mil for a client he could “prove” was innocent, he would have his client free by now and she would have pissed the money away on her makeover and that R.V.
snark snark….
Some bloggers are trying way too hard to paint Casey in an innocent light. Way too hard. Why?
Better yet…
Picture of Cindy on the tee-shirt with duct tape and heart over her mouth with the words “Your Next”…lol…
Doug, I like your t-shirt idea very much. Much more realistic than the ones the Anthonys are trying so hard to force down our throats. It would be visually very striking to see a few dozen people wearing them outside the courthouse during the trial. Would something like that be allowed?
Baez said, “Quite frankly, it doesn’t do any defense attorney any advantage by disclosing what their defense is before the trial.” Please. They still don’t have a clue as to how they are going to defend their felon.
I’m so sure you’re right Judy. As every thinking person knows, if they had the proof they claim to have showing her innocence, of course they would have her out a long time ago. They would still be demanding the killer be found. Their silence tells us everything. How can some people be so naïve? I don’t get it. The sky is blue. The grass is green. Casey Anthony killed her daughter Caylee. In my own opinion there’s absolutely no reason to not be sure at this point. They have had LOTS of time to show us otherwise. They need to put their money where their mouth is if they expect to have any credibility at all.
Doug!!! HA HA HA HA HA. I’d buy one.
judypc said, ——
—and,how would your scenario play out since a trial proceeding pace is set by the court??
Yo Hola! said, on June 25, 2010 at 7:52 am
First of all — why do some think they know more than a trained individual— anyway — I have heard of a sentence of 99 years —- but — hopefully, Bill could let us know the available sentences in Forida—-
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now lets look at the above statement_____who said they knew more than a trained individual or even suggested their comment was 100% correct
answer _no-one____ but renowned sh*it stirrer alias yo hola!
will use anything to pick a fight_pathetic and so ooo predictable
in Florida if you are convicted of capital first degree premeditated murder its life without possibility of parole_it mandatory_mandatory means no judicial discretion
for casey anthony to get less prison time (excluding death) a jury would have to find her guilty of a lesser crime
its been this way in Florida since mid nineties
As I said, trying way too hard.
amazed said, on June 24, 2010 at 12:56 pm
the amazed on June 18th is not me mixologist. Must be another person who is amazed as I am.
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I read their comment, and scrolled on by without comment. LOL
I think the document dumps we’ve had in the past, are usually released around lunch time.
finishedlurking said,======
======Excuse me — why are you so on edge??
Yo Hiola!
If, as Jose said “they had evidence that proved their client was innocent”
And BTW, he said that before the DP was put on the table.
Do you think there would even be a trial, If his statement is true, why go through all this?
Show the person they arrested is innocent, and let L.E be searching for the guilty party.
If you were in jail, and could prove they had arrested you wrongly would you not be screaming here is the proof, now go arrest the person that murdered my child..
judypc —— c’mon — you know it doesn’t work that way—-
JB, when CM offered to pay the guy who yelled out “Casey is innocent,” I thought it was ASTONISHING. I thought it was right up there with his “This is going to be FUN,” remark. What next? Will he start cracking knock-knock jokes for the cameras? His light-hearted gaiety is COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE. There is NO room for humour inside that courtroom, or on the steps. A little girl has been murdered. Why is that so hard to understand? It’s a very serious and sober reality. There is absolutely NO respect given this case by the defense.
Judy, their (defense) silence says it all.
. . . and THAT is why 99% of the bloggers are so fierce in their protection and support of Caylee. Cause no one else will. Tragic.
Yo Hola!
If you are gonn’a talk the talk, then walk the walk.
They said they had proof, then pony up and show it.
If they had proof when Casey was arrested, then they have allowed a murderer to walk away free, and allowed their client to set in jail for 2 years while they set on evidence.
Just like they said, “we have proof there was no water, and the body was put there after Casey was in jail”
They have allowed their over sized mouths to over load their arse, if they can not prove it, keep your mouth shut, it’s that simple.
Don’t write a check you can not cash.
The defense doesn’t need to prove innocence. The prosecution needs to prove guilt. And they can’t so far. They need another 5000 pages, that means they want to exhaust the system. JMO.
judypc —– seems like you’re going over the top now —– need to calm down and re-think your logic on how the courts operate —-
Release the hounds!!
The doc’s have dumped lol.
Yo, I am not talking about how the court operates, I am talking about the defense team making statements they can not back up.
Morning, ladies!!! I’m so curious to read some of those letters. Somebody on another blog said there may even be some from the odd blogger!
WOO-HOO!!! See ya’ll back here later!
LOL Bees and which of us “odd Bloggers” might that be.
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Longest piece of duct tape was 9 inches long, shortest 7 inches.
State saying duct tape is murder weapon.
I think its generally accepted that if evidence came to light that might exonerate a charged individual, the DA would look at it rather than go for a protracted, expensive trial process they were sure to lose.
That said, lets not forget reciprocal discovery, its encumbent on BOTH sides to hand over evidence they may use at trial within a prescribed timescale.
So maybe we can employ a little common sense and attribute Baez’ past comments to something akin to reality….he was trying to bullsh*t a potential jury pool and look like he had a defense whilst appearing on national tv.
Remember Macaluso !!
Yes. Odd & quirky!
Sighhhhhh. I wish that the laws would change, and the defense would have to PROVE that their clients didn’t commit the crimes. If they didn’t do it, it should be simple. When your best defense is to say we don’t have to prove she didn’t do it, you really have no defense.
A bit off topic, but I am hoping fervently that the freakish dutchman does not get away with yet another murder, as the European society worries about HIS rights.
Just saw a bit of the ‘documents’ that were released: names and adresses are published from people who wrote things to Casey in jail, people she never met. How is this evidence, and why is this okay, privacy and such, to make public, but the names of the searchers were to be kept secret? Does that make sense? And what is the purpouse to publish private mail in this case? Just to keep the taxpayers occupayed? To satisfy the voyeuristic needs of us bloggers with no life? Sorry for spelling, have to cook
OMG, just got home and read a couple of paragraphs of Cindy’s letters. DO THEY STILL NOT BELIEVE CAYLEE IS DECEASED? DO THEY NOT BELIEVE IN DNA? Caylee is in THE BRONX? Gee, I am only about 35-40 minutes from The Bronx, maybe I will take a ride and look around!!! Casey is being framed? For the love of G-d ! IF there was a freakin Nanny she would have been found for cryin’ out loud! What a bunch of idiots. I guess the rest of the letters will infuriate me as well.
OK, they’re in denial and believe in Casey’s innocence.
Ina, I guess via the sunshine law EVERYTHING gets released in an investigation whether it will be brought into the trial or not. You lose your privacy in jail and anyone who visits or writes lose their privacy as well. That’s just how it is. TES searches are a different story. That is just how it is. To see why that is you would have to search the prviously released documents and see the explanation/motion or whatever from the court, Mark NeJame and Tim Miller. I am too tired to look.
There is no way anyone can convince me that the Anthonys are in denial.
They are perfectly aware of the fact that their daughter killed her daughter.
Poor little Caylee, to have spent what little time she had on earth with these people.
I know what you mean amazed. You are right! But, denial in public, denial to Casey. I like the way she said in one of her letters that “she was always there to protect her”. Yeah, protect her lies and thievery. I give up. They will never ever admit it. Even when she is convicted. As far as they are concerned Casey is being framed. YUP, the “Nanny”, LE, FBI, the “NEW” big bad pot smoking friends, The grunds, Roy Krionk, etc. etc, all conspired to kill a little girl, spray decomp musk in the car and frame Casey Anthony.
These letters are an interesting read but will have nothing to do with the trial. Gotta love that sunshine law.
I am so freaking sick of this case. She should have been to court already, convicted, sentenced and the movie of the week should have been aired already. It is taking a ridiculously long time for this to go to trial. This should be cut and dry!
For the love of all things Holy!!! That family is too much to bear. Like they said of their murderous daughter, Casey takes things as far as she can and then she goes even further. It makes me wild when the Anthonys/Defense lie their way through any given interview without the reporter/journalist calling them out on it. Hell-ooooo? I can scarcely even believe it’s allowed. But since it is, why can’t the media hold up their end of the bargain? Shouldn’t they be reporting that they are lying ~ about the duct tape, the water, the search etc. etc?
Hi Bee’s. What are you referring to? Something recent? Did someone mention here Jose was on the Today Show today?
Cindy is delusional. The DNA said the remains were Caylee’s. Casey was not framed/set up. LOLOLOL!
Being that Casey is obviously a narcisistic sociopathe those letters from her parents talking about dinners and hangin with Lee and Mallory and their cute house and the new turtleetc., etc. must be PISSING Casey off !
No doubt seething! Nothing specific, Linda, but almost everything they’ve said ~ the duct tape doesn’t match, there was no duct tape on Caylee’s skull, no decomp smell, only pizza, there was water, there was no water, no one knows when Caylee disappeared, the area was searched, the area was not searched, it’s not her dna, George Anthony claims that the body in the back of his daughter’s car was not his granddaughter, . . . where to begin?
Hi Bees. I see you are at Niecey’s too! I am jumping all over the place.
I figured you meant in general. I cannot beleive (ok, yes I can) that Cindy is still chasing sighting’s of a live Caylee, still suspicious of Jesse Grund and mentions sheDIDN’T know Any had a sister. Oh lord that lady is nuts.
I can’t comment here under wordpress account name, my comments won’t show up. I had contacted Craig months and months ago, but he couldn’t figure out why my comments get hung up. Then if I want to comment at niecey’s I gotta sign into wordpress. Then if I forget to change my e-mail address my comments go into moderation at Niecey’s and then her they get lost !! I love talking with the peeps her AND at Niecey’s. What a pain in the you know what!
Well, aren’t these letters special. I’m sorry if I offend anyone but I think the whole family should be taken out to the glades and left for God and the gators to sort out.Cindy admits to passing letters to Baez and George, well God knows what’s up with him. But the topper for me was the “birthday cake” for Caylee story. Just on and on about poor Casey, what about Caylee? Cindy’s brother seems to have had her number for a while. And from the way he talked, it dosen’t seem Cindy and her brothers are all that close. Does anyone know why the bank that Casey forged a check on Granpa’s accoun t didn’t press Charges.
Check out page 15103 letter from George apparantly after the jailhouse letter accusing him and Lee of sexual abuse.
Thanks. BBIAB.
24theroad, I have just started reading Rick Pleasa, he & Grandma Pleasa are Caylee’s ONLY relatives that have stood up for her & I certainly agree, Rick told CA exactly what KC had done & pointed out the facts, (re: e-mails between CA/Rick Pleasa,) & I can see why the Anthony’s are estranged from both sides of the family except Grandma/Grandpa Pleasa in which CA visits, the Anthony’s didn’t want to hear the questions from the families.
On Baez being the mailman, Baez was reprimanded by the Jail for that, then the ANT’s got mad & spoke through Conway saying they would in the future MAIL KC’s mail to her BECAUSE Baez read their mail! LOL! Bet CA didn’t realize the letters were going to be released. The ANT’s NEVER acted embarrassed to exchange letters through Baez, they were complaining they were MAD at him. JEEEEEEEEEEZ!
I think CA probably re-paid the amount back to Grandma Pleasa’s bank but there is still the question as to WHY the BANK didn’t press charges as Grandma Pleasa gave them permission to.
LindaNewYork, I just started reading, I am going to try to find the page number you are referring to as I have been very curious as to GA’s reaction to the accusation, he hasn’t attended a court hearing since.
Amazed, I agree with your comment, it’s unbelievable, not denial!
*24theroad
The bank did not press charges because they were in the wrong by allowing Casey to cash a check on that account that was supposed to be used by Shirley Pleasea ONLY. The bank employee probably lost her job just as so many others who has the misfortune of meeting MOTY Casey Anthony. JMO
Also on pages 10582 to 10584 there is a copy of a Marinade Dave post. Don’t know from who.
I can’t find the pages Linda. Help?
LindaNewYork, PLEASE post PDF address so we can pull them up. I am trying to go through the letters BUT there are 5,000. I’m like BEES, what category are you looking at for MD’s letter?
BEES KNEES, I have having difficulty too.
Diana, thanks for sharing that as I didn’t know either. You are right, IF KC’s ID etc. had been checked, it is NOT likely it would have been cashed.
OK below is the George Anthony letter. I am not good at links where you can click and go.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24043180/detail.html
AND it is NOT a letter form MD, I just want to make that clear before I start a rumer. It is a copy of one of his posts from a long time ago. So, PLEASE I am not saying he wrote a letter to Casey. I don’t want tha misconstrued:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24039447/detail.html
It is pages 177, 178, 179 on PDF and pages 15082-15084 on documents.
Above george letter is page 2 on PDF and page 15103. Only thing there. I am reading all docs from WFTV.
BEES KNEES: Here is the link to the PDF for GA confronting Caylee after she accused LEE & GA of sexual abuse:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24043180/detail.html
Let me know if you found them.
I know, there is soooooo much. I had to bum a couple of beers from my neighbor, LOL!
George wrote…”Cindy made one of her great homemade pizza’s, thought about you when I was cutting it.”…I bet you were. What did the pizza smell like George? Did you think of Caylee’s rotting corpse as you bit down and chewed? How can you and Cindy even eat a or look at a pizza after what you smelled? Did you throw out what was left? Did it smell after a few days later? Did Cindy call the police to report that she just opened her trash can and it smells like there’s been a dead body in it?
And he’s worried that her Driver’s License is about to expire and she’ll have to take the tests over again…Talk about someone having a break from reality !!
And at another time George is asking (almost begging) Casey to at least let Cindy and Lee visit her. Funny…Cindy and George have been saying that they can’t visit because of the cameras, yet the letters say Casey won’t see them…
That explains when George said”…in the direction you feel is right. I disagree. Getting even, just a minute or two a smile, a tender emotional moment would do us all good.” George said it all, Casey getting back at them the only way she can, no visits, looks, nothing at all. I wonder if George saw the abuse claims coming?
George even had to remind her who her family was “…me, mom , lee (your family)…” Give it up George, she doesn’t care.
I suck at this….
It is in THE LETTERS: Set 1 on WFTV website.
Doug, I am sure they find it very easy to eat pizza coz what they smelled in the car WAS NOT PIZZA!!!!!
And yes, Casey couldn’t give 2 Sh*ts for her family. Like I said above, she is a narcissistic sociopath and like Bee’s agreed she is probably seething at reading their letters as to how much they mis Caylee and what is going on in all their lives. It is pathetic how they BEG her to let them come see her. If she cared one bit about her family or Caylee, even a letter to them saying “I love you” would mean something to them. But Casey cares only about herself and I am sure she just loves the way they beg to see her.
LindaNewYork, I located the letter, I posted link above in which you mentioned about GA writing to KC after the sexual allegations.
If I were Gas Can George, I think I would start screaming & never stop. To think KC, after ALL she has done, destroyed so many lives, every friend she had has an attorney, would continue to hurl more lies from the comfort of her jail cell REFUSING to see her parent’s as advised by her attorney’s, would continue to destroy what little is left of the Anthony’s.
Is it Karma? IF you lie for your daughter on National TV & to FBI/LE/State Attorney’s, will your daughter not LIE ABOUT YOU? Some might say it’s KARMA, I say it is a Family Tradition. The Anthony’s better come to the terms with KC’s ability to continue to lie, paint herself as a VICTIM because they are ONLY fooling themselves if they don’t think during the penalty phase of her murder trial, Lyon’s will describe the FAMILY from HELL with GA/CA as the parent’s. KC will again be painted as a VICTIM, Conway BETTER prepare them for what the Defense has in store for them!
In GA’s letter, I have to wonder if this is the first time KC HAS BEEN ASK TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for her sorry life! Even GA ask WHY DESTROY LEE & CAYLEE! What a sorry little skank, imo.
Has anyone else notice that on all the envelopes, the word “indigent” is stamped?
I retract that. It’s only stamped on some of the envelopes. My question is why do they stamp that on there? Maybe something to do with money being put on the books for her?
Thanks Linda and art. The files are pretty cumbersome!!! Hi mix!
Doug, I have the same revulsion at the thought of them choking down pungent pizza ever again in their lives. But. Not a problem apparently! Honestly, when all you have of your granddollar is her rotten stench and you repeatedly describe it as rotten pizza how do you ever swallow another bite of pizza for the rest of your life?
No, mix, I didn;t notice.
Hi art tart, Could very well be Karma. If I didn’t know any better and knew nothing of what the family has done to spin and lie and spin and lie, i would almost feel sorry for them. BUT I do know about them and don’t feel sorry. This family has muddied the names of countless people. These young people Casey was hanging out with, the “new” friends…they were leading the life of all young people at that age. Going to college, WORKING and Yes, parying, drinking , smoking some pot–so WHAT and GUESS what-that does not make you part of a conspiricy to kill a little girl.
Doug, I read that too about the pizza, I guess we started at about the same place in the 5000 pages. I too was confused about GA pressing about the Driver’s License. I had to read it twice, he is as nutty as KC.
It is obvious that the Anthony’s are in great pain, they just want to see her, I am surprised Baez hasn’t brought someone in to choreograph a meeting between them. He could have KC ACT LIKE the loving daughter, she is distraught about Caylee, the Anthony’s can drop hints at more Zanny sightings, & the production would be made for the benefit of the PUBLIC, plus they could have that visit GA longs for. I would think that GA’s anger is HUGE with KC’s latest lies now & that visit he begged for, may not be that important to him.
You would think that after ALL THEY KNOW, the Anthony’s would “realize they can’t save KC from herself, they never could, nor, can they save themselves from KC.”
LindaNewYork, I am thinking of a Cocktail also or maybe a glass of red wine. I think if I were the Anthony’s, I would UP my MEDS!
jmo, Gas Can George has always been the weakest link, he is pretty beaten down by KC, he CAN’T BELIEVE the lies have now been turned on Lee & himself. Surely he realizes it’s NOT OVER, he loves KC unconditionally, BUT, he doesn’t like the person she is nor wants her to get the DP or LWOP. I wonder if he will BREAK under pressure during the trial, he confuses easily, maybe GA at the end of the day WILL stand up for Caylee, not because IT’S THE RIGHT THING TO DO & because she was his defenseless granddaughter, but because he can’t stand the pain & the lies. We shall see.
Mixologist, I haven’t noticed the envelopes but I will check it out. Maybe there is some charge to KC for mail delivery. I’m curious too.
Linda, I’ll join you. I just poured a glass of vino. Red. Hopefully it will ease in the management of these BIG files tonight. I still haven’t gone to look for the letter of George’s you mentioned. Gone now.
Cheers, art tart!
BEES KNEES, I posted the PDF link to the letter where GA confronts KC. It’s upthread & I think I addressed it to you. CHeck it out.
I agree with the huge file, I think I am going back to read Rick Pleasa, he’s a stand up guy, especially for Caylee & isn’t putting up with the LIES CA SPINS. Rick doesn’t put up with CA’s Bullchit, not for one minute, something she isn’t used to,
art, Cindy wants to go visit with her to grieve and show the world what a loving person she (Casey) is. She says in one of her letters to let the potential jury pool see what a loving person she is by having a loving family visit. You have to truly be a loving person to sincerely portray that. She will not be able to show how “distraught” she is about Caylee being gone (besides the fact that she killed her).
Casey only cares about herself and her predicament. It is all about HER. She proved that from her first phone calls from jail and the first jail visits. She shut the family down as soon as they started questioning her. They walked on egg shells so as not to upset poor Casey. The only ones who grieve over Caylee are C,G and Lee. For all the assinine things they have said and done, they are the only ones in that immediate family that have shed a tear over Caylees’s death/murder.
If I were in jail accused of murdering my daughter, I’d want to see my parents and let the world see the videotaped jail visits with me screaming and crying “my daughter is dead, Zaneida took her, I love her, I miss her I DID NOT DO THIS! From the beginning to now that is not what she said or did.
Cindy in her letters that I read so far is still talking about “Zani” and Jesse Grund. If there was a Nanny named Zenaida Fernandez HYPHEN Gonzales, A Jeffrey Michael Hopkins with a son named Zach, a sister Raquell, a co-worker named Juliet Lewis, they would have been FOUND. LE and even the Anthony’s PI’s (the NEW one named Mort?) cannot find these people. WHY? Because they do not exist. That doesn’t raise any of Cindy infamous “red-flags”, but everyone but Casey raises a red flag. UGH!!!!!!!
OK, back to the letters. Skipping over a lot form “strangers” and religious stuff. THE LETTERES: Set 1 is 867 pages and there are 5 sets of them!
LindaNewYork, I haven’t read any of CA’s letters yet, I just can’t believe the CONFRONTATION Letter. Gas Can George finally grew a spine & held her accountable.
I get the impression that KC isn’t answering their letters, but I have only read most of GA’s. I am going back to read Rick Pleasa’s & then take a break for the evening from this.
I agree with your comment above, the Anthony’s are who they are.
Hi art tart, I see yo are back and forth from here and Niecey’s also, like Bee’s.
Do you get the impression she is writing them? Wouldn’t they be released as well?
I agree I need a brak as well. Tomorrow moning after a godd night’s sleep and a pot of coffee would be better!!
See you for coffee in the A.M.
This case needs more like Rick Pleasa. Linda, I did find that letter from George. Thanks. I’m going to read it now. Yeah, I’m calling it a night, too. My eyes are buggy!
The word “amazed” is over-used (like my exclamation marks when I talk about this case!) but I really am amazed at all the people who wrote to her. What a crazy world we live in.
Well, well, well. What to make of that letter. Sure sounds like he’s hurt, as he should be. I’ve never believed the sexual abuse claims, myself although I know there is that speculation. I wonder if his pain registers at all with her?
Did anyone catch Cindy writing something like, I hope Andrea can get you a place in law school, if that’s something you ……………
Tell me I dreamed it.
jilly, astonishingly you did not dream it.
Bees
I was thinking if Casey isnt writing back (and I dont think she is ) where would Cindy get this from ? Lyon herself?
Does anyone connected with Casey Anthony’s defense have a foot in reality?
What crap are her lawyers feeding her?
Egads, even if she could get out of this, what kind of law school do they think takes broke ass, high school drop outs?
Do these people have any kind of CLUE?
BeesKnees,
What’s the problem with humor? I’ve read humor HERE regarding this case. Didn’t Mason say he thought this case would be fun? It’s like a surgeon saying a delicate, 10-hour surgery would be fun. Take it from me, they say this. It’s not because they don’t care about the patient. It’s because they are professionals and they take their jobs as a challenge that they love. Although their profession might be a serious somber situation, they still have to remain somewhat detached in order to do their best.
What do police officers say when they go into a bloody crime scene? In order not to cry or puke, they make jokes. That’s just another profession one has to separate from their emotions. If they don’t, they’ll become useless in their jobs.
By Mason saying he’d have to pay someone to say “Casey is innocent” he’s admitting he knows his client is a long shot. How can anyone deduce from that statement Mr. Mason doesn’t care about children or victims is quite a stretch. IMO
Judy, I am usually just a lurker, but thought I would put in my 2 cents. I took it as she could take classes while in jail. I have heard of many prisoners getting degrees, even law degrees while incarcerated.
Convicted Felon’s can’t get Law Degree’s…
And what is it with everyone offering them jobs. Lee was going to become a P.I. with the help of D. Casey, now Casey was going to be a Lawyer with help from Lyons.
WHO THE (CENSORED…CENSORED…CENSORED) DO THESE PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE, THE (CENSORED…CENSORED…CENSORED) GOLDEN CHILDREN OF THE(CENSORED) GODS.
Doug Wollenburg —- I believe you are wrong — in certain instances, a felon may obtain a law degree — perhaps Bill could explain further —
LindaNewYork said, —–
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Well, well, well — a “lanceman” —– certain things are INGRAINED —–
Cidy wrote…”I guess you know now that Jose cannot give or read you my letters anymore. They will try and puy up roadblocks but we won’t ever let that happen because no matter what they do to try and seperate us from you – we will overcome it”.
Now we know why Cindy’s been lying and changing her story. The only way she can “overcome” those “roadblocks” is to get thrown into jail also. But Cindy, you won’t be in the same cell block as Casey, You’ll need to kill someone first, and Caylee’s memory won’t do.
Also, Cindy makes it sound like Casey’s letters are being stolen (by the state?) so Casey and Cindy can’t talk.
No Cindy, the State would love to have Casey write you letters, but the truth is Casey isn’t writing to you, she doesn’t care about you because you loved Caylee more than her, remember, that’s why she killed Caylee.
Then Cindy said…”…will not let them continue to crucify you”.
Oh Cindy, If only we could crucify Casey. Cause that would be true Justice.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24039452/detail.html page 205 I think there is a pic of a cheque from a bible company sent to Casey. ? Is that allowed to publish?
You are correct, felons can get law degrees. Doesn’t seem right, but if Jose Baez can practice law and make a mockery out of it then why shouldn’t convicted felons be allowed to also…You’d think the standards would be higher.
Yes, Mr. Sheaffer, please explain this.
RE: the publishing of peoples personal info, Maura at the The Hinky Meter lays it out so that everyone (I hope) can understand. If you don’t want your ‘stuff’ posted, don’t do it where Sunshine Laws apply.
» Maura said: { Jun 26, 2010 – 03:06:56 }
LE has nothing to do with it.
When the state is sharing discovery with the defense, the state must file the unredacted documents with the Clerk of Court to make the documents part of the official case file. At that point, the unredacted documents are public record. Only autopsy photos are excepted. Once the documents are public record, and person or media organization can request copies of the discovery. The whole point of the public records laws is to make the discovery transparent to the public.
WESH redacted the personal information from the letters before posting them. That was a corporate decision that they were not required by law to undertake. WFTV and CFNews 13 did not redact any personal information. I didn’t check Fox.
Even if every media outlet that obtained copies of these letters redacted personal information before making the files available to the public, individuals would still be able to go to the courthouse and get unredacted copies. Florida law gives the public full access to the discovery.
Mark NeJame has argued at hearing that TES does not want to fully disclose the 4,000 TES volunteer documents to the defense because doing so would make all 4,000 files (with personal information) part of the public record in exactly the way the names, addresses, phone numbers, and email addresses of Casey’s correspondents are now part of the public record. TES volunteers had to list employers, employee addresses and phone numbers, health status, date of birth, car make and model, etc.
“I ain’t no nice dude, I want a bad bitch to write. I want you girl. I got money. I got people. I’m sexy and I is bad.” This man was in prison for 32 months himself. A pen pal for life?
People don’t know what it means to have that Sunshine law. How is one to know that letters, private letters, would be exposed like this, with names and adresses. Poor people, perhaps some of them just tried to be nice to a murdersuspect. Any one can become a suspect one day, so any mail can be exposed one day. Good to know? What is freedom if you have to watch what you write just in case. Just my opinion. I don’t think those letters needed to be published, that is all.
“Yes, they can get a law degree. In some States – including mine – there are even State accredited correspondence law schools that award a degree that entitles you to sit the Bar in that State.
BUT…. someone who studies for the JD and Bar exam in prison is very unlikely to pass the Bars character test and be admitted to the practice of law.
There is at least one lawyer I know of in CA who did so, but his case is unusual – he became interested in the study of law while assisting in his own appeals, which were eventually successful and his conviction was overturned. He is now a PD.”
source questions and answers Yahoo http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090617224007AAtKjQR
Doug:
rotflmao…@ (CENSORED…CENSORED…CENSORED) (CENSORED…CENSORED…CENSORED) (CENSORED) .!!!!
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Ok, lets put my earlier statement like this then, What kind of law school would take their broke ass high school drop out felon X6 child murdering daughter?
And for those that debate about the people that sent her letters, any mail sent to any one in jail not just Fla. can not expect privacy all jail mail is read and searched.
Anyone sending Casey Anthony mail HAD to know it would be front page news unless they just crawled out of a cave.
Considering she couldn’t be bothered to finish 1/2 a credit in High school, I rather doubt she could hold her own in law school.
On the issue of whether people knew their letters would be made public…..I learned at a very young age, ( probably 10 or so) NEVER WRITE ANYTHING ON PAPER YOU DON’T WANT THE WORLD TO SEE.The whole point of written communications is so others can read it. It has been obvious from the beging that everything this defendant says or does will be public. ( video of her visits)
I noticed in a few of the letters they made reference to not getting back to Casey as to imply that she is writing to them as well. Wonder where those are? I doubt that she will be writing any more since the “cupcake” letters but some of these are really old, so I’m guessing she did respond to some of them…..way back.
*Judy
LOL……..I suppose that’s why Casey sometimes scribbles furiously on her little yellow legal pad in court. She’s part of the scheme team and has been preparing for her bar exam right before our eyes. What a joke.
Doug Wollenburg said, on June 26, 2010 at 6:35 am
You are correct, felons can get law degrees. Doesn’t seem right, but if Jose Baez can practice law and make a mockery out of it then why shouldn’t convicted felons be allowed to also…You’d think the standards would be higher.
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Yep Doug and it took Baez 8 years.
However, in “Fanthony Land” Cindy finds Caylee alive in the Bronx. Poor villified Casey walks free. She gets a public apology from Lawson Lamarr and Internal Affairs go after OCSD who clearly tried to frame wittle Casey.
Our heroine moves to the windy city where Andrea Lyon gets her fixed up in law school. Sells story to Disney. George and Cindy both write books entitled “Under the Microscope” and “I fought the law”. For the next 5 years KC studies. Law degree in hand, and the little matter of 6 felony convictions behind her, she gets her license from the Illonoise Bar and then becomes a defense attorney for the Indigent.
And they all lived happily ever ……..
Perhaps this is more realistic: Casey gets out one day. She needs a job. If she hadn’t done some studying, she would have to ask the taxpayers for money. With a diploma she can provide for herself. So?
LOL Jilly – sounds about right
But INA, the defendant has decided to travel around in an RV and adopt Irish kids. lol
( that cracks me up)
Law school didn’t seem to be a priority in her letters to cookie.
She was never productive when she had every opportunity to be, there is no reason to think she will see the light and become an upstanding citizen now or ever.
IF she ever gained her freedom she would go back to her established profession, thief.
Ok, I read the letters last night until I was ready to gag, and maybe it is just me that found Georges letters a bit, hell I can’t even find a word to describe what I thought of them, so I would love to hear some of your opinions.
Now, I was a “daddy’s girl” from my first breath to my dads last breath, southern born and spoiled by a father that would have given me anything within his power.
When I was away at school and would receive letters & cards my daddy did not say things like, been so long since I last looked into your eyes, or I need your hugs, so forth and so on.
Yes, he would say things like, The house is really quiet with you gone, think that maybe he missed my rock & roll, and he would of course always ask do you need anything?
Are you behaving yourself & are you safe, are you eating, and CALL HOME more often.
He would end with don’t forget your raising little girl, love, Dad.
In reading Georges letters I got a icky feeling, but I am willing to admit that maybe I just find the whole lot of them icky, so any of you that have read Georges letters please chime in and let me know if any of you got weird vibes too?
Do fathers talk to their daughters like they would a lover?
Granted, I was not away at jail getting my degree in Felony 101, so maybe that changes things.
I read R Pleasa’s interview last night, GOD, you gotta love that guy. Seems he has certainly called “CA out on her lying.” IF you read all the R Pleasa/CA e-mails,” it is the same information although I didn’t realize CA has 2 other brothers besides Rick. One brother seems to have NO communication with any of the Pleasa Family except when their father had a stroke, the other brother that Rick is close to doesn’t believe CA either.
Seems LE read Rick’s comments when he commented on a BLOG & Yuri told Rick that’s how they located him. Rick also said: “CA said to STAY OFF THE BLOGS, THOSE PEOPLE ARE THE SCUM OF THE EARTH!” LOL! CA: MOST bloggers know what a LIAR you & your family CHOOSE to be, we are “calling you on it!”
Judy
The letters from Geo made me wonder if the claims about molestation could be true, very creepy! Like love letters.
So judy, are you saying / implying / insinuating / whatever/ that Casey and her father were lovers? Or just different from your family? “I need your hugs” doesn’t sound that strange to me for a father to write to a daughter in jail who might get the dp? Jail is different from school. I think writing letters must have been very emotional.
And most men can’t handle emotions, nor writing letters.
Ina.
Casey could have very easily gotten her credit from high school, she could have easily gone to college, free of charge all on the Gov, dime, single mums are really not at a loss for options if they choose to accept them.
The State would have even paid for child care while she went to school.
All those hours spent at her imaginary job, she could have been in class and have gotten her degree, and I would almost bet her parents would have supported her in doing so, and been extremely proud of her.
By now, she could have had a real career in just about any area she would have wanted, the fact that she did not “want to” is no ones fought but her own, only Casey is to blame for the road she is on.
Ina, I am not implying or insinuating, I was asking if others found it odd.
And yes, I admit jail is not school, that is why I ask for others idea’s.
They just struck me as rather odd, But I did admit that I may be the worst judge because I have a hard time finding anything good within that group of people, I even have a hard time calling them a family, because my idea of family is very different from what I have seen in Anthony land.
art tart:
Another good transcript is Richard Grunds.
He sure did not back away from calling it like he saw it.
Judy
I must admit I got an icky feeling reading those but then I’m of a generation that finds it icky for a grandfather to be present at the birth of his grandchild and then cutting the umbiliacal cord. That’s just me!
I did note that both Anthonys felt the need to constatnly compliment Casey on her looks. I guess they more than anyone know what she responds to.
Even Mallory opened her letter with “Hi Beautiful”
Personally I think she looks like a little pony! but to each their own.
I don’t know the Anthony family at all, and what we read on the blogs, in the media, is all bias. So can’t tell either. I know some families are very cuddly and kissing.
I read Rick said that Cindy got the advice from some counselor to throw Casey out, and ask for custody for Caylee. If things get that far, it is not cuddly anymore, but when a child dies, who knows how that changes relationships? No idea.
DNA tests already said George was not the father I think? (Can’t remember)
Ina said, on June 26, 2010 at 10:02 am So judy, are you saying / implying / insinuating / whatever/ that Casey and her father were lovers?
I thought the defendant implied/insinuated/whatever, that the relationship was anything but wholesome.
judypc, I had a similar upbringing as you experienced my entire life, until too, my dad passed, & I too was a southern girl. The dynamics of this family have always been strange, imo, but Gas Can George has always seemed, “unstable, impulsive, passive/aggressive, & continues to PROJECT his anger at ANYONE EXCEPT the MURDERER of his ONLY GRANDCHILD!
imo, GA has displayed from the beginning of this case to be the weakest link, has NO respect from his family & they never let him forget it, instead of going inside when hecklers & protesters were in front of their home, GA with his water hose & CA w/her hammer, they preferred to stay outside & ARGUE with the angry protesters INSTEAD of going inside & SHUTTING THEIR FREAKING MOUTHS! WHY DON’T THEY GET IT??? If they won’t stand up for Caylee, other’s will! My DAD would have NEVER LIED for me, NEVER even if I were sitting where KC is today. My dad would demand I “take responsibility for what I had done” & cut off all communication with me.
I too found the wording in GA’s letters more than creepy, just like in the Jail Video when GA told KC she was “like the head of a CEO, she was IN control & the Boss.” I think the ANT’s were trying to convey to KC, BAEZ WORKS FOR YOU, he has $200,000.00 which is YOUR money! Even when GA visited KC in jail, he greeted her with “Hey Beautiful or you look Beautiful.” GA’s behavior was more than crazed at his deposition w/J Morgan, batting his eyes, threatening, inappropriate, immature. The CONFRONTATION LETTER GA wrote KC in March 2010 was the first time I have seen any backbone from GA, finally confronting KC & FINALLY asking KC WHY DESTROY CAYLEE??
art tart says, (clipped) finally confronting KC & FINALLY asking KC WHY DESTROY CAYLEE??
Note he only did that AFTER being accused of wrong doing, not before. Now that his name was brought into it, he finally asks the important question.
http://www.rwi.uzh.ch/lehreforschung/alphabetisch/weberr/vorlesung/Fruehjahrssemester2009/unterlagenlawandeconomics/aufsaetze/TheDeterrentEffectofCapitalPunishmentAQuestionofLifeandDeath.pdf if you have read the 5000 pages already, read this
I think the conclusion is that employement can also be a deterrent but I must admit I did not read all lol.
Ina No, no DNA test have been publicly released from any state source that says that, I do believe it was Val or maybe hinky that compared the released info and said they were not a match.
Jilly & Art.
My dad would never have lied for me, nor would he have begged me to allow him to visit.
He would have told me he was coming and by golly he would have come lol.
He & Mum would not have abandoned me, they would have darn sure drug me to the police station and told me now, tell the truth and don’t leave anything out.
He would have fought a tiger to protect me, but he would not have fought the truth., he would have expected me to face head on what I had done and he would not have made excuses for me.
If my parents had thought for one second I had been an unfit mum, my daughter would have been taken damn skippy to their home, and I would have been told get your act together, they would have moved heaven and earth to provide me with whatever help I needed.
Dad would have swallowed a lie about as quick as he could swallow a ball of fire, he would have been the first one to call me out on a lie, and he would never have told a lie to cover mine.
talking2much, Exactly, GA is ONLY PISSED when He/Lee are accused of sexual allegations, NOT to demand she TELL THE TRUTH about Caylee. Just like an Anthony, so self absorbed that now he complains, now it is all about him!
I think its reasonable to say if one feels George’s letters are icky WITHOUT
making the leap re Caylee’s parentage.
As for Cindy, she certainly seems truly deluded about the whole situation. Casey is being persecuted and God has a purpose for them.
Jesse , it seems is still her number one scape goat but her daughter can and did no wrong.
art tart, that’s what really got me about that letter, it was about 2 years over due for one thing and it was only written because she sullied his name. Notice the why destroy Caylee question was the last question, because she isn’t as important as the rest.
For a minute lets give them the benefit of the doubt and say they really don’t think she killed Caylee.
So where is the outrage over her not reporting Caylee missing? Where is the outrage over her not cooperating with LE? Those two things in and of themselves would be enough for me to want to jerk a knot in her head, but no, it took her accusing him to get him angry.
Not only is there no outrage from G and C about Casey lying. Where is Casey’s outrage?? My daughter is dead!! The killer is out there!!!! Please someone help me!!!…No…Nothing… If Casey did not do it then someone else did. The Ants don’t seem too hell bent on finding out who. I think deep down they know she did it, but can’t bring themselves to say it, or evenly consciously admit it.
Beast, exactly, it would be bad enough to be wronlgy accused but to know the killer of your child/grandchild is walking around free and no one is looking for them would have most people putting all their resources toward finding that person.
No reward posted for info and the childs Mother has had nearly $300,000 to do that with. She could have offered a reward while she was still saying Caylee was missing, before the remains were found and she was charged with murder.
Diana said, on June 26, 2010 at 9:08 am
I think what she is scribbliing on her pad is “Casey Marie Lazzaro, Mrs. Casey Lazzaro”. LOL!
Good Afternoon to all. REady to dive back in. Getting a late start today.
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Yo Hola! said, on June 26, 2010 at 6:07 am LindaNewYork said, —–
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Well, well, well — a “lanceman” —– certain things are INGRAINED —–
What does THAT mean?
LindaNewYork, why waste your time trying to figure it out? LOL! The comments never make sense. I just skip over them.
I just finished CA’s letters & found that GOD may answer this prayer that CA prays:
CA prays: “I pray every night for answers to my questions,” imo, she will get the answers to those questions & has already received the ANSWERS to a lot of questions she is praying for.” Even after KC is convicted, imo, CA/GA will continue to CLAIM KC is innocent, they AREN’T going to “stop lying to protect KC as long as they draw a breath.” If after conviction, imo, the Anthony’s will NEVER DEMAND THE REAL MURDERER be brought to Justice! They haven’t thus far, they never will! They know who the murderer of Caylee is, so does the defense! imo.
art tart
My Mom told me that God does answer prayer, we just don’t always like the answer.
I told my mom there is no God. And that was the answer to a lot of her questions in prayers.
Of course the prosecution, the police, they would not tell us if Casey was crying and such. They show the public what they want to be seen. ? I think?
BeesKnees,
What’s the problem with humor? I’ve read humor HERE regarding this case. Didn’t Mason say he thought this case would be fun?
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JBMission, I don't really care if Cheney wants to crack jokes ~ I'm sorry if I gave you that impression. He can, and does, find humour wherever he wants, obviously, and if my reaction to that is astonishment, well, what can I say? That's my reaction. And if you want to joke along with him, that's also okay with me. Your approval or disapproval of me is irrelevant. Your approval or disapproval of him does not interest me.
Hi art tart. Yes, I should have just skipped over-but my curiosity got the best of me!!
I can’t seem to get into reading all this stuff right now. I am sitll on the 1st set of letters.
And you are right. Even after Casey is convicted of murder, they will proclaim her innocence forever! Just like Diane Downs father with his website and Scott Peterson’s parents and their website. The Anthony’s with all their media appearances never ever mention PLEASE help find the Nanny who took and killed our granddaughter. They will search for the “real killer” just like OJ has been doing ! hahaha.
T2M, you got that right!!!!
OK, will come back to the 5,000 pages later.
I could care less if she cries, fact is, if the defense thought they could improve her image they would put this defendant on the morning shows instead of the parents, but they know she can’t/won’t cry, it’s all just spilled milk to her. What’s done is done and she has no idea why everyone is making such a fuss. She’s a psychopath imo and the only tears she will shead will be for herself.
BTW, there is no need for the police to show her crying, she had 30 days befor arrest to shed some tears and didn’t.
(Hit submit too soon)
She also had months while out on bond to appeal to the nanny/kidnapper and never did, not once has she gone on record asking for the safe return of her child.
I have no doubt she would have been sitting on the set of Oprah if she wanted to, she choose not to.
LNY
Be careful reading the letters…unless of course hair standing on end is a good look for you. lol
I’m a little puzzled as to why being a psychopath is not a pitiful condition in the first place
and would like to have opinion if it is a condition they did not ask for nor could they have
changed their future in being one. I do know that some people CAN NOT CRY for reason
most of us can, that being sympathy and compassion for others than ourselves.. like there is a blockage somewhere and emotion is hampered. Understand, this is not a statement
upholding anything a psychopath does, it simply interest me that the label psychopath
in never put on someone until a horrible deed is done, but there must have been the condition before so I’m just saying, what is one to do? I don’t think THEY know themselves as psychopath. To themselves they apparently do not understand what we
refer to as normal, and must think themselves just as normal as we do ourselves.
BB:
Being a psychopath by legal definition does not render that person free from responsibility of their actions.
A psychopath while emotionally shortchanged, still knows right from wrong.
What doctor has examined her and said she is a psychopath? Ghana wan btw. (soccer)
Being a psychopath by legal definition does not render that person free from responsibility of their actions.
A psychopath while emotionally shortchanged, still knows right from wrong.
Hope this does not post twice, site seems to be a bit buggered today
Whitout a diagnosis, how do you know you are a psychopath? So how do you know what to do?
Judypc, Of course they or we must be held accountable for our actions, where we deliberately harm another person. No question about that, and certainly one of Casey
or Joran Van Der Sloot can not be allowed to continue on the streets of society. apparently until they committed a horrible act they were considered normal but they themselves do or know what “normal” is. Uncontrollable within themselves, excuses? I do understand that after they are caught the know enough to lie and try and get out of their situation. That tells me they know they did something wrong. Prior to the act is what I am talking about. do they know they are different. I know there are studies but I do not find where a psychopath ever explains themselves or how they think. That is scary, almost in an intellectual range that they believe they can fool anyone and get away with whatever they do but at the same time are so ridiculously careless about what they do. Another thing is that I come to the conclusion that we never know who is standing near or before us, or speaking to us that may actually be capable of doing harm and after that harm is done, THEN would be labeled psychopath knowing right from wrong. Sorry I got into it, just had a lot of thinking going on.
Hi BB,
I apologize for bringing The Hinky Meter into every discussion we have, but Val’s work is inspirational to me. Ignore if you’ve already read this, but if you haven’t, you might want to. She did a compelling five-piece study of Casey’s Profile.
“This series will draw heavily from the work of Marilee Strong and her book Erased: Missing Women, Murdered Wives. In Ms. Strong’s book she presents an intricate analysis of the profile of the “male eraser killer”. Those killers such as Scott Peterson, L. Ewing Scott, Mark Hacking, Barton Corbin, Chester Gillette, John Smith, Drew Peterson, and in the current headlines, Josh Powell, have one thing in common – they killed their wives or girlfriends to eliminate an obstacle to achieving a fantasy life they had deluded themselves into believing they deserved.”
~ The Hinky Meter
Casey’s Profile – Part 1: An Introduction
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/01/08/caseys-profile-an-introduction/
jmo, there were obvious signs in KC’s behavior but CA may have chosen to ignore the signs “by controlling & fixing them herself, even though she was a nurse & knew qualified professionals to help KC. KC was a pathological liar, sealed juvenile record, escalating amounts of money KC was stealing from her family, scams KC ran on her family like creating a FAKE deposit slip in which the Anthony’s thought KC had re-paid $4,000.00 to them when in fact, there NEVER was a deposit & the Anthony’s couldn’t pay their mortgage, the entire Anthony Family recognized that before KC murdered Caylee, CA told one of KC’s boyfriends that she was a sociopath, CA told Amy H she was going to get custody of Caylee, & told Tony she hoped he had a lot of money. It seemed KC’s behavior may have escalated after Caylee was born, but the entire family seems, imo, to be dealing with so many of their own problems, controlling, lying themselves, continued financial instability & responsibility, that they ignored the problems before them. Jesse Grund states clearly the problems in the household & the dynamics as well as Rick Pleasa.
Intervention could have been done on KC through diagnosis & therapy but in KC’s case, the warning signs were all there before Caylee was born. Even the Counselor told CA to GET CUSTODY of Caylee. imo too, CA’s personality doesn’t seem conducive to testing on KC or therapy of any kind to get KC help, CA’s own personality of trying to CONTROL everything & everyone in the family seemed to have made it escalate instead of help. jmo.
Ina said, on June 26, 2010 at 10:25 am
I don’t know the Anthony family at all, and what we read on the blogs, in the media, is all bias.
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Since you don’t know them, how the he!! do you know the blogs and the media are biased??
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I’ll say it….george’s letters made me feel worse than icky. They are down right nasty and I cannot believe a normal man would write such lovey dovey nonsense to his DAUGHTER. I BELIEVE casey on that point. Her entire lifestyle screams molestation victim and george looks like the culpable party. IMO. Probably explains the secret casey told cindy she had kept….but of course, casey lied again. She told muffin the secret.
CMA, CMA, LOL lowlielee……bet she did!!!!!
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Still reading . . . scrolling . . . reading . . . the letters from George are really odd.
LOL@ Bees. Yeah odd.
I was just thinking about one letter, from a woman, don’t remember her name….she wrote about her furniture and even discribed her livingroom, talks about her kids/grandkids….even sent pics of the family.
I will never understand what motivates someone to do that. Very strange.
Now that I think about it, I’m not even sure what motivated me to read those letters. lol
Bees: I agree. He told her she was putting on weight and to watch it!!!! HUH???? He is ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!
t2m: I have a confession…I didn’t. LOL I read ca and ga but just couldn’t get very far on the others. It appears to me that one or more churches asked their congregations to write letters….sort of like a spiritual duty?
I have always admired Dr. Uth from First Baptist Orlando and frequently listen to his Sunday service, but I was extremely disappointed in his allowing the Memorial fiasco. I know he had no way of knowing how big of a circus that would become, but I could not believe he allowed them to have a hit list! Kinda made me question his judgement. Well, actually, I haven’t watched his Sunday sermon since. I guess I am easily dissuaded.
Frankie, the one I mention above is as far as I got and that was tooo far! lol
I don’t know what came over me to even go that far into the abyss.
Did I read that Geo is an elder in the church?
Mr. Grund and I see it the same way….casey was trying to set up Jesse when she went to take a shower and tried to get him to her car at Amscot!
OMG t2m….what church? Cause I think that will turn me off permanently to organized religion. I didn’t think they attended any church until they needed one to stage their Caylee “vigil” and “memorial”.
BB:
You are right, we just never know that person standing next to us.
And people such as Cindy & George that cover up and lie for the person only make it worse.
I can not stomach any more of the letters, so I am moving onto the evidence.
A report from the car maker, No chloroform used in the production of their vehicles’ .
So the chloroform was not a product found naturally in the car.
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I think East Side Baptist frankie, he is doing something there and voted in to do it. lol
I’m not sure what though, my mind was turning to mush by that time.
OT
According to cnn.com, the Peruvian court denied the defense motion to supress the confession. JVS needs to go a head and make himself comfortable, he’s gonna be there a while. lol
Det. Melich asked Nathaniel Lezniewicz if anyone had ever told him about casey sitting at the computer watching a computer and saying something like Oh I miss my Caylee or I wish she were here. Now who said casey did that????
t2m: GOOD! I am not too sure about the comfort of his “suite” however, LOL!
Seems like lee said to NL that he was gonna buy the ants a house because casey had put them so far in debt! HUH? And he parks cars for a living? I need a new job.
HMMM..now the story goes…casey can’t stand the arguing at home and imaginanny doesn’t have room at her house and obviously Caylee can’t stay at Tony’s, soooooo, Caylee stays with imaginanny and casey stays at Tony’s!!!!
Gotta love the lies! The woman is a pro at it.
OK she leaves the car at Amscot sometime before 7:00 AM when the lady at Amscot saw it, but didn’t call Tony to pick her up until around 11:30. Time enough to sneak back home and take a shower? Not that far from Amscot to Hopespring is it?
Doesn’t it feel creepy reading someone else’s mail? I felt weird reading them. I had to stop. Too much for my voyeurism tendencies…lol
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Ina or anyone:
Frank Bourgeios?
Have you listened to the jailhouse video? I listened to it again last night and now I’m wondering if Bourgeios is his real name because it doesn’t sound like he’s saying Bourgeois.
I’m Cajun French. Bourgeios is pronounced “bush waaah” or as Texans say “burgess”
It sounds like he says his last name is something else. I already have an idea of what he’s saying, but I’ll wait to see what other people think. Just curious. If anyone have time let me know. thanks.
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/07/audio-from-case.html
That could be because his name was Patrick Bourgious. Frank Bourgious was on the list to visit at the same time, but was a no show. Casey said she didn’t recognize him (Patrick) until he said he was a friend of “Mikes”. Interesting….. who’s Mike? There’s lots we aren’t aware of, but it doesn’t mean it favors Casey’s claims of innnocence. According to Baez the world will say “now I get it!!!!!” once he presents her case at trial. Not holding my breath.
1. art tart said, on June 26, 2010 at 5:13 pm
jmo, there were obvious signs in KC’s behavior but CA may have chosen to ignore the signs “by controlling & fixing them herself, even though she was a nurse & knew qualified professionals to help KC. KC was a pathological liar, sealed juvenile record, escalating amounts of money KC was stealing from her family, scams KC ran on her family like creating a FAKE deposit slip in which the Anthony’s thought KC had re-paid $4,000.00 to them when in fact, there NEVER was a deposit & the Anthony’s couldn’t pay their mortgage, the entire Anthony Family recognized that before KC murdered Caylee, CA told one of KC’s boyfriends that she was a sociopath, CA told Amy H she was going to get custody of Caylee, & told Tony she hoped he had a lot of money. It seemed KC’s behavior may have escalated after Caylee was born, but the entire family seems, imo, to be dealing with so many of their own problems, controlling, lying themselves, continued financial instability & responsibility, that they ignored the problems before them. Jesse Grund states clearly the problems in the household & the dynamics as well as Rick Pleasa.
Intervention could have been done on KC through diagnosis & therapy but in KC’s case, the warning signs were all there before Caylee was born. Even the Counselor told CA to GET CUSTODY of Caylee. imo too, CA’s personality doesn’t seem conducive to testing on KC or therapy of any kind to get KC help, CA’s own personality of trying to CONTROL everything & everyone in the family seemed to have made it escalate instead of help. jmo.
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1. art tart said, on June 26, 2010 at 5:13 pm
the entire Anthony Family recognized that before KC murdered Caylee, CA told one of KC’s boyfriends that she was a sociopath, CA told Amy H she was going to get custody of Caylee, & told Tony she hoped he had a lot of money
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She did say that to Ryan Pasley, but he was not one of her boyfriends. They were longtime friends since age 5 (which is what he states in his depo). Cindy did not meet Amy H. nor Tony before Caylee was killed. She met Amy on July 15th when she picked her up to show her where Tony lived. During that car ride was when Cindy found out about a lot more lies and told Amy then that she had wanted to get custody of Caylee. Cindy also did not meet Tony until July 15th. She told him “I hope you have a lot of money because Casey will take you for everything you’ve got” (not direct quote) and told his roommates to check their wallets and bank accounts when she was standing in the doorway of his apt. waiting for Casey to come out.
Also, Cindy’s therapist did not tell her to kick Casey out and get custody of Caylee. She had told her therapist she wanted to get custody of Caylee and Casey would move out, however in Cindy’s State Deposition she says that her therapist recommended that she kick Casey out WITH Caylee. She had only seen this therapist for 3 sessions and once the therapist suggested that, she stopped going because she said she would never kick both of them out. Basically she started disliking the therapist because of what she was suggesting. Also, Rick Plesea said Cindy relayed the same thing to him… kicking both out.
From Cindy’s State Depo 7/29/08…………….
Q You did comment, though, that over the
months leading up to Caylee’s disappearance that you and
Casey had talked about Casey moving out, and you talked
about whether she had enough money, and so I’m trying to
put the two of those together. Why did the counselor
bother you so much by suggesting what you, in fact,
were thinking yourself?
A No. The counselor suggested me kicking her
out.
•Oh, okay. I see.
A Pushing her out of the house without
anything.
Q I’ve gotcha.
A And that included Caylee with her.
Q Okay.
A And there’s no way I was going to kick my
daughter out of the house with my granddaughter.”
And from Rick’s……………
“RP: Because Cindy was so upset that Casey had done this that I guess Cindy had went to a counselor to talk about it. And the counselor said, “Just kick them out on the street. You don’t have to put up with, with your daughter. She’s over eighteen. Kick her out on the street.”
I didn’t mean to paste the entire comment I was quoting, just to highlight two portions….
1. The claims of what Cindy made to “one of Casey’s boyfriends”, Amy and Tony and when.
2. The claims that Cindy’s therapist told her to get custody of Caylee and kick Casey out.
I thought you required FACT-based opinions???
taybos, I don’t understand your comment. As you asking a question? If you haven’t read it, it is ALL in DOC DUMPS past, this isn’t NEW information. Everyone that read the DOC DUMPS knows when CA met Amy H., what CA did when she went to Tony’s, etc.
1. KC has a long history of problems in the homes, Rick/ Shiley Pleasa have said so in interviews.
2. Jesse Grund, engaged to KC after during KC’s pregnancy has talked of KC’s behavior as well as the families in interviews & RV interviews.
3. KC had a long history of lying & stealing from her family, CA had to use some of her IRA to pay the credit cards off, as well as pay back S Pleasa, (interviews S Pleasa/R Pleasa.)
4. CA wanted to get CUSTODY of Caylee I think came from one of Shirley’s emails.
The ABOVE information didn’t come from this DOC DUMP, this information has been known to us for over a year. Is this your question? Your quoting from Rick’s interview, have you read Rick’s emails to CA & Rick’s comments on the BLOG? Have you read ALL Shirley P’s emails? Rick’s emails to his mother?
taybos said:
She did say that to Ryan Pasley, but he was not one of her boyfriends. They were longtime friends since age 5 (which is what he states in his depo). Cindy did not meet Amy H. nor Tony before Caylee was killed. She met Amy on July 15th when she picked her up to show her where Tony lived. During that car ride was when Cindy found out about a lot more lies and told Amy then that she had wanted to get custody of Caylee. Cindy also did not meet Tony until July 15th. She told him “I hope you have a lot of money because Casey will take you for everything you’ve got” (not direct quote) and told his roommates to check their wallets and bank accounts when she was standing in the doorway of his apt. waiting for Casey to come out.
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taybos: CA met Amy H & Tony H on the same day in July 2008, AFTER CAYLEE WAS MURDERED in JUNE 2008! You don’t think Caylee dead by then? SHE MOST CERTAINLY HAD BEEN DEAD nearly a month, why in the world do you think CA was FRANTIC to find her lying daughter, she was LUCKY to have found Amy’s number in KC’s car.
When do you think Caylee was murdered?
Sorry, if it was Ryan that CA told KC was a “sociopath” instead of one of her boyfriends, it was my mistake, the fact was, the PROBLEMS with KC did exist, they weren’t new & the family was aware of it. I wasn’t directly quoting what CA said to Amy or Tony as I had assumed MOST had already read them, Tony absolutely knew what a skank he had been involved with after CA met him on that day, there is also the information where Tony wore a wire for LE to get information out of Lee about KC. Lee certainly had some unflattering things to share with Tony about KC’s history with him, all NEWS to Tony.
Good morning art tart. I don’t know why Taybos picks on your comments so much. When I read your comment about “boyfriend” I knew you were referring to R. Pasley. It is a confusing case, what with all the friend’s/boyfriends. WE all make mistakes sometimes referring to different people involved in this case. Such a big deal does not need to be made about it. Some people got a bug up teir buts sometimes.
Regarding whoever said the media makes us biased against Casey: Don’t need the media to make us biased. Just reading Casey’s own words as well as the words of the family from all the documents released is what makes me biased. And reading the words of the detectives that not one single solitary thing Casey has told them about a Nanny, where she lived, where her Mother lived, who her co-workers were, that she worked at unviversal studios/Kodak, etc. was all a lie. So, yeah, there is bias and for darn good reason.
In fact, the very first media reports that a MOTHER did not report her daughter missing for 31 days certainly made ME biased.
Futhermore, the media cannot “make” anyone biased because they are reporting the facts of the documents released. And in fact, the media handles Cindy and George with kid gloves.
JB, I don’t see your point about that visit with Frank Bourgious.
Sounds like he is saying Bouge Wah. (bouge like Rouge as in the move Moulin Rouge)
My maiden name is an Italian last name, pronounced differently in Italy. I married an Italian and the last name is also pronounced differenlty in Italy and in bothe cases if you don’t know us personally tha lst names are prounounced differently.
Some say tomAYto, some say tomAHto.
Regarding Casey being labelled as a sociopath or narcissist, by us laymen: Just google both those words, read, read, read and then apply to all we have found out through the discovery released about her, expecially via the interview with friends and with her parents and WHALA! Casey is the perfect profile of both. And no, she has not been “diagnosed” by a professional. I would imagine the defense team would not even go there fearing a professional diagnosis of such. However, there are professionals who did not personally meet with her who DID diagnose her as such, due tho the fact that they ARE professionals in that area.
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I did read all of C&G’s letters, and some from others, but just skimmed those. There are too many. Most famous murderer’s get tons of mail, just like someone mentioned about Scott Peterson.
SORRY! I guess I got a lot to say today. LOL!
Good Morning LindaNewYork, it is difficult to understand some of the comments of some of the bloggers on this site, you can’t tell if they have a question or a comment, like your friend that gives you a hard time, you just have to laugh!
I was surprised to read that taybos didn’t think Caylee was dead in July 2008, but if that’s her opinion, facts tell us differently, wonder where she thought Caylee was because she wasn’t at Tony’s with KC & Tony! The most disgusting thing was the day after father’s day, KC was seen strolling in blockbuster w/TONY, no CAYLEE, no one has EVER SEEN Caylee after the 16th of June 2008.
Have you read Richard Grund?? It is really interesting. Up thread, I was commenting that the family was aware of KC’s on going problems & Richard Grund just stated that George said:
“KC HAS ALWAYS HAD ISSUES!” GA going on to say “he goes to Sport Authority, she doesn’t work there, other jobs KC said she had, SHE LIED!” KC had on going problems which Richard Grund describes as a “CONTROLLED MESS” until the end of May in which RG suggests KC snapped.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24039244/detail.html
You can bet CA will never be HONEST about KC’s ISSUES, but it is good to know that GA had KC’s number which he has shown in different interviews & documents. I have always respected the Grund’s, they are a good family, stood up for Caylee & will continue to through the Verdict handed down in this case, & haven’t been fooled by CA’s/KC’s/GA’s lies pertaining to Caylee & KC. It is sad that GA KNEW that KC was such a liar, confirming that to Richard Grund, but GA is TOO SPINELESS to stand up to CA still trying to control the information on KC’s case & GA going along with the LIES on TV. jmo.
art
Your point is well founded.
There are plenty of examples of Cindy’s awareness of her daughter’s anti-social behaviour. George even wondered if Casey’s behaviour could be genetic ,attributed to one of his sisters. How many mothers routinely call up their daughter’s friends and say, she’s a sociopath. That on the very day Cindy felt compelled to go to Universal studios and compose her “My Caylee is missing blog”. That effort speaks for itself. Cindy speaks of giving chance after chance, of betrayal, of money stolen, of jealousy, of who is going to care for her granchild.
That’s why Cindy’s jailhouse letters dont ring true for me. She had to know these would be read by prison staff and one day could be made public. They are geared imo very much for public consumption. Cindy perpetuates the happy family, Casey was a wonderful mother, she is being set up, Jesse is still her number one suspect, caylee might be alive, the prosecutors only want to make casey look bad. She panders to Casey’s ego, she exaggerates the public’s support, she sends her photos of Caylee which imo would be the last thing Casey would want to see.
I cant work it out, is this the same Cindy that gets her hairbrushes mixed up, that
cliams she might have searched for chlorophil, that denies she told the FBI about the Blanchard Park story, or is this a woman who has totally lost her grip on reality.
LindaNewYork, too, just google KC + Sociopath. There are countless articles written by psychologist & psychiatrist about KC. Hinkey Meter, Val Hal, has a great article on KC’s profile this month, up thread, BEES KNEES gave the link, it’s a great read! imo.
I too read all GA/CA’s letters, the costs of experts, etc., I am reading RG’s now & will finish all the interviews today, view the documents, but I am not going to spend much time looking through the letters sent to KC by the Ant’s church etc., inmates, admirer’s, nut jobs, etc.
CA’s letters are as crazy as KC. CA in one letter saying that Burdick/Ashton were just trying to make KC to look bad, she was referring to the Check Fraud Case. EARTH TO CA! KC MAKES KC LOOK BAD BY HER CRIMINAL MIND SET & BEHAVIOR! imo, THIS IS THE WHOLE PROBLEM WITH THESE NUTS! CA is too spineless to say: “I’m glad you were prosecuted for your theft, you have been a liar & a theif for years, now you are a Felon X’s 6, I hope it made an impression on you.” BUT NO! CA validates that KC is again, the victim, blaming her LYING STEALING behavior on the Prosecutor’s making “KC LOOK BAD,” not that they MADE KC RESPONSIBLE! CA is in need of severe intervention, imo, she continues to validate the lies KC has told, KC stills loathes CA, she just needs to SHUT UP imo! There will be NO HIDING who the Anthony’s really are during the Trial, they continue to deny the facts! imo.
I too agree, the media doesn’t make us biased, just WATCH KC perform in LE interviews, jail videos performances, her parent’s afraid to ask her ANYTHING for fear she will throw one of her fits & slam the phone down & walk out of the Jail Video, phone conversations with family with KC showing his angry butt, again, the list is endless, the MEDIA just provided us the available information to review this & most form their opinions from this information. BLOGS may influence some “less than independent thinkers,” but hopefully that is a small group of people.
jillycomelately, you have reminded me of other examples of CA, as you say, there are so many, the list is endless. I re-read the “My Caylee is Missing” last week after a year & it is really sad, & can’t believe the damning information CA wrote about KC. Do you think this will be admitted into COURT & is it relevant? imo, it is relevant to the STATE/LE in forming their opinion of CA, they knew exactly what CA thought of KC, the MY Caylee is Missing is just one example.
It reminded me of the JAIL VIDEO in which KC angrily said, “I’m a VICTIM JUST AS MUCH AS CAYLEE IS” & “All they care about is CAYLE?” The very next day, CA went on National TV to promote KC’s talking point & said, “KC is a VICTIM, her child is missing!” GRRRR! This family is loathsome.
imo, IF the National Networks have the Anthony’s on, they should be challenged as to the propaganda & lies they tell. WHY isn’t it slanderous for CA to say the JAIL LETTERS were planted?? WHY don’t the Anthony’s HAVE TO PROVE their LIES & why is ABC participating in Tabloid Journalism. Outrageous, imo.
CA is crazy like a fox, I agree with your comment, CA is pandering to the public, she did know that they would be released. I love GA’s comments, “I LOVE YOU NO MATTER WHAT!” & “WHY did you DESTROY CAYLEE?” Guess GA had a brain fart & forgot this would be released too.
art
I think the “my Caylee is missing” ditty will be admissable, not withstanding the defense’s attempts to keep IT and so much other incriminating suff out.
I think it would be deemed relevant because it was penned during THAT month , infact the State will assert Caylee was already dead. It could also imo be used to empeach Cindy should she decide to do a Larry King and make out as though Casey was off on some pre-planned extended trip or the version offered during the civil depo, that Casey wanted to go off on a long overdue vacation to bond with her own child.
The Anthonys will not come off as sympathetic characters to a jury , mainly because their lies and attempts to pervert justice are so well documented AND imo will be fully exposed by the prosecutors. I’m betting LDB is already pondering having these two delclared hostile witnesses.
The defense surely realize this but on the other hand they seem totally devoid of character witnesses for this young woman. As for the friends who claim Casey was a good mother, these were young single people, no children, who only saw Casey and Caylee in snapshots. I doubt they were aware of the domestic arrangements at Hopespring, i,e that Cindy and only Cindy bore the financial costs of feeding and clothing Caylee, that the event co-ordinator with a nanny never contributed a dime to her child’s upkeep or the household, that she stole form her child’s piggy pank, that she robbed her mother blind and stooped to stealing from her grandparents. Did anyone… but her parents know the real Casey?
As for the media appearances, they have waned, and I have no doubt Brad Conway who I see more as their agent than lawyer vets the questions in advance. One only has to look at the comments left on the GMA site after their last outing.
NO-ONE believes them, they do more harm than good.
jillycomelately, I was reading some of the articles I had saved as I thought they were most telling & here is a link to one of them. MOMlogic, imo, is a good site, some of their editors appear on NG, JVM, & Mike Galanos. The interesting thing about this article, it was ONLY days before the remains were found of little Caylee.
The article is:
The Anthonys: A Family of Feuds and Rivalry, Tuesday, December 2, 2008.
The Anthony family had troubles long before Casey was charged with murder!
Rick Pleasa said to Cindy in one email ONLY days BEFORE Caylee was found:
Rick: Your granddaughter is dead. There I said it. Wake the hell up sister!! You are not only in denial you’re missing your brain. The only thing that God knows is Casey is a liar and you are stupid. Casey knows where Caylee is and when all the evidence is in she will get the death penalty for murder. You have to be a moron for destroying evidence with washing pants that smell like a dead body.
http://www.momlogic.com/2008/12/casey_anthony_caylee_anthony_g_6.php
There are about 10 more links at the end of this article which also pertain to this family.
I agree, Conway is acting more as their agent as it was stated he “negotiated the deal for 48 hrs. for the ANT’s & receiving $3,000.00 for his efforts in doing so,” he ALSO suffered a foreclosure with his town home, looks like he would get CLIENT’S that pay & LISTEN. imo, Conway can’t save the ANT’s from themselves proving USELESS to them at their depositions w/J Morgan. The ANT’s arrived seeming to think THEY WERE IN CONTROL hurling threats, OUTRAGEOUS behavior. Guess Conway LOVES the publicity too much or will Conway write his own book?
YIKES! I had forgotten about GA saying KC stole from Caylee’s piggy bank. TOO bad it isn’t LEGAL to sequester a parent like GA to get to the bottom of what had gone on in that house because as soon as CA RIPPED HIM A NEW ONE, GA back peddled & joined CA’s efforts at LYING at all cost! YEP! These parent’s knew KC’s SCAMS & games & had every opportunity to hold her accountable but CHOSE not to.e
art tart, jilly thumbs up to your comments and agree, agree, agree.
The family has closed ranks from the beginning and put up a this facade of “Casey is not guilty by reason of, well, because we said so!” LOL!
OK, guess I am going to momlogic. I probably read those articles, but will check out again.
art
thanks for the link will have a look
Linda
Cindy might as well have been working for the prosecution,,,,,she has done so much damage. They have George’s early statements, enough said.
Innocent people don’t need to lie…its that simple.
Would love to hear Bill Sheaffer’s opinion on admissibility of some or portions of the jailhouse tapes. The one that immediately springs to mind is one conversation with Lee, when she was telling him about phone numbers she might have had for Zanny de Nanny. Conveniently ALL were now gone with the lost phone she got from a down town AT&T store . Guess she finally remembered she didnt get it from Universal or report it missing to Security.
Lee also asks her about speaking with Caylee on July 15th.
She tells him… it was from a private number, the number didnt come up. Yet on Cindy’s 3rd 911 call, she tells the despatcher she spoke with Caylee, “for about a moment” from a number that was no longer in service.
Hmm how does that work then?
I’m sure we have all lied about something, at some point in our lives. The difference is we did not have millions of people around the world to analyze everything we have said, make comparisons, and apply what we have said to available evidence and movements. Casey did not expect to get caught so quickly, and in her immature ignorance thought she could lie her way out of it. Like the 5 yr old “I didnt throw my food in the garbage”
One thing Cindy said very early on has always stuck in my mind.
George had blown up at the reporters, I think it was the day he said ” the person inside my daughters trunk was not my granddaughter”
Cindy while explaining Georges temper fit said her exact words were, ” I am not going to let this kill another member of my family”
This was way before Caylees body was found, in my mind the moment I heard her say that, she knew Caylee was dead, and everything they were doing was a dog & pony show.
Beast said:
I’m sure we have all lied about something, at some point in our our lives.__________________________________
Beast, I don’t lie, it’s not in my value system & I know few people that do, The Anthony’s ALL LIE, they choose to lie to protect their daughter & KC was a “pathological liar apparently through high school to the present,” something that MOST people don’t do. The LIES the entire Anthony family tell are glaring, no one NEEDS to analyze what they say, just watch them on National TV! Do you really think the JAIL SET KC UP with the Letter to Robyn? CA LIES consistently, I don’t understand why she isn’t sued for this, an OUTRIGHT Lie! No need to analyze her ridiculous statements, use common sense! This isn’t a family that Lied once, they lie consistently, imo.
The Family of Liars the Anthony’s are, imo, are not remotely comparable to your statement that perhaps everyone has told a LIE, the problem is for the Anthony’s is, “When are they NOT lying?” I have absolutely never seen adults LIE to protect a murderer, even if she is their daughter, for the murder of their grand daughter. Hopefully we will never again see a family such as this living off their grand daughter’s tragedy.
art tart:
I agree, if their lips are moving, then a lie is spilling out.
imo this shows how the whole family unit is unstable and untrustworthy.
They have lied about things that it made no sense to lie about.
Beast:
This family takes it far beyond a little white lie to save someones feelings, “does this dress make me look fat?”
“Why, no you look great”
That is an innocent white lie.
My thoughts on lies, they simply are not acceptable, and are way more work than the truth, one lie leads to a dozen more to cover that one, after awhile you can not remember where the one lie ends.
Telling the truth, painful as it is sometimes is always the best route.
The Anthony’s could have told the truth, and supported their daughter at the same time, in doing so they would have kept the support of the public, and maybe just maybe it would not have ended with their daughter facing the D.P.
Some part of me believes the reason the DP was put on the table to begin with, is the anger and ill feelings toward this whole nest of bad liars, that always pointed at someone else for their problems.
Thanks LNY,
To me it sounds like he’s saying Mouton not Bourgeois. Patrick Mouton. I wonder what kind of ID they ask for when visiting prisoners.
Thanks, for your feedback, I’ll check it again. I’m just curious and I wonder if he lied.
IMO, Cindy’s brother Rick has other agendas. I get the feeling that he and Cindy never did get along very well. As he admitted, he usually only talks to her twice a year.
He’s still entitled to his opinion about the Anthony family but I’d bet a dollar that there’s distention in the family regarding Cindy and her husband George. I don’t think any of Cindy’s family were very fond of him.
That’s the feeling I got when reading his statement. Sibling rivalry. Cindy was probably Shirley’s favorite being the only girl and Rick sounds jealous.
IMO,
Granted Cindy may have lied to her family in order to save face considering all the turmoil in her family. I don’t know if the Plesea’s are one of those jugdemental families where it’s “look what my kid did, what has your kid done” situations.
I’ve seen this many times before. It’s like a competition. We don’t know exactly how and when Rick asks Cindy about Casey being pregnant at his wedding. Maybe it wasn’t in private.
I do question Rick’s motive to go on blog to discuss the Anthony’s. He should have call the detectives first. JMO Sounds sleavy to me.
jb
I think Rick is one of those witnesses who will never be used. His statements imo would be deemed hearsay as he got most of his information from Shirley Plesea.
He did however give us voyeurs a glimpse into the strange dynamics of the Anthonys, not least that everyone at his wedding knew Casey was pregnant bar her parents. Cindy’s mother corroborated that. Whatever his motives, I dont see the State calling him.
I think he’s as relevant to the case as Partick Bourgeois.
JB you need a picture ID to visit someone in jail. I am sure it was checked
JB, my take on Rick Plesea is that there is NO AGENDA, no sibling rivalry. More than likely Cindy has been a liar, teller of half-truths, mis-truths and all around BS artist all her life and him and others have her “number”. Sounds like he calls ‘em as he see ‘em, in the case of the missing/murdered Caylee Anthony. I think anyone with a lick of common sense, knows from the get-go there was NO Nanny- kidnapper, no babysitter and with the smell of death in the car a 99% chance that Caylee was dead and Casey did it. He just got to e-mail her and tell her what the majority of people following this story thought. Then and now.
Why think him sleazy and not the Anthony’s lies and cover-ups?
In Shirely Plesea e-mails to , I think her sister, they speak about the Casey “troubles” and the run around she gives Cindy and they certainly think Casey is full of crap waaaay before the kidnapping “story”.
Google Shirley Plesea e-mails and read what comes up.
LindaNewYork, I agree, Rick Pleasa had no agenda, I too agree, Cindy has probably been a CONTROL Freak & teller of lies & half truths most of her life. It was interesting that Rick told CA straight up that KC was a liar, that Caylee was dead, & it pissed CA off. When confronted with the TRUTH, it angers CA. CA KNEW this already, but some people will argue with the truth, even when they know they are wrong.
To think Rick Pleasa could be jealous of CA is ridiculous. What a miserable life CA has had, a difficult marriage with GA, she was going to have pay him alimony & 1/2 the house just to get rid of him after supporting him if she wanted to divorce him, CA working to support the entire family, a lying daughter that shows up pregnant at a family wedding, KC denying she was pregnant to everyone, & CA supporting the lies. There is a photo of KC in a blue dress pregnant at Rick’s wedding with a big grin, do the Anthony’s think everyone is STUPID but them? Rick Pleasa sounds like he deals with reality & has little tolerance with the lies CA is willing to tell. Rick Pleasa was every bit as close to Shirley Pleasa as CA was, Rick & Shirley Pleasa are on the same page, CA is the one willing to LIE to her family, Rick & Shirley knew better.
The e-mails between the Rick & Shirley Pleasa paint the picture exactly as Rick has said. Shirley Pleasa knew the length CA was willing to lie & cover monies stolen from her modest checking account & Grand Pa Pleasa’s “special nursing home account” for KC. WHO would be jealous of CA’s miserable life? Certainly NOT Rick Pleasa.
Too funny, I think Grandma Pleasa said it in one of her emails to Rick or the Aunt, “KC needs to be put in the general population.”
LindaNY, I think too it was Shirley & the Aunt discussing in emails GA’s new job when Caylee was missing, something to the effect: “GA has a new job, he drives around a bill board attached to his car in Orlando with Caylee’s picture on it!” Sounded like the Pleasa Family didn’t think much more of GA than they did KC.
About Rick Pleasea: I can’t relate to him at all.
In my family we talk to each other more than twice a year. Then you have another brother who lives in Florida and he doesn’t talk to anyone in the family according to Rick. He told Melich he’d have to call Dan for his phone number. Now that speaks volumes to me. Obviously, this family isn’t close at all.
I know Rick Pleasea is thinking like 98% of America. That’s not my problem with him. My problem is that he went to a blog instead of spilling the Anthony background to the detectives.
He acts like he’s concern about Caylee when he’s only seen his niece once at the hospital when his dad was sick. I’d like to bet a dollar he’s never seen Cindy’s kids very often either. So much for family loyalty I guess. But when he has the opportunity to be in the limelight, even of a run of the mill blog, he jumps on board.
In my family it would never happen. Yes, my brother might call and tell me what he thinks, but he’d never slander me in a public forum. No doubt, he would call the proper authorities, end of story. So my opinion of Rick Pleasea remains the same. He’s a Sleeze Ball and he does have an agenda, he sounds like he’s jealous of his sister Cindy.
Agreed, it’s not likely he’ll not testify in court, but I’d never call him a hero. It’s not like he’s solved the case. He’s just another one of those people seeking their 15 mins of fame but in his case never got it.
It’s not whether he lied about the Anthonys. I never said he was a liar. it’s that he went to a blog that makes him a scumbag. If I were Shirley, I’d be very angry with my son for doing that.
But that’s just me.
I just came across this interesting statement analysis of George’s “Why???” letter to Casey.
http://tinyurl.com/29wgtkx
No one’s snooping in Rick Pleasea’s background, friends, employment history. He’s the one who opened that door to the public. He sounds like a bigger CONTROL FREAK THAN CINDY. GOING TO A BLOG, IS AS LOW AS ANYONE CAN GET.
Now I feel sorry for him, he has to wait for his sister’s lowest part of her life to SLAM her. HE’S A PATHETIC POS. IMO.
Analysis of George’s Why, Why letter? What!!!
Why, Why?????
I’m not reading it. It’s like watching a presidential debate and then have the analyst explain it to you. It’s a 5 sentence leter for God’s sake. What is their to analyze??
Oh but I get it now. Read the the “professional” analyst first then come back and say it’s your opinion, and then you have a professional’s opinion to back you up.
Good grief. So this how this works. OMG.
Good idea everyone!!!1
art tart, that is what irks me so much about the Anthonys. They seem to think everyone is stupid except them, but their lies are so transparent we can see through them pretty easily. Irritating to say the least! I feel the same way when politicians lie to me.
Also, art, I don’t think we got to see the entire letter. I think that was only the first page because he doesn’t sign off or even just his name as he did in all the other letters. I think we will likely see the rest of it closer to the trial.
I agree jilly. Interesting but not important.
Bees, would you be so kind as to post when this person places their profile of George, I am wondering how it will compare to mine.
I did one while doing the book and I would like to see if they are close.
Thanks in advance.
I don’t see what importance the George letter is to the trial. No more than Robyn Adams letters. I doubt that the jailhouse letters will be entered either. The only letter of any importance will POSSIBLY be Casey’s admitting Zenaida wasn’t involved. This will after all go in front of Judge Perry and he’ll decide.
Judy, this is his profile of George’s letter. Do you mean he did another one just on George specifically? Sorry. Not following.
http://tinyurl.com/29wgtkx
Have you guys read Annie Downings letter? Can anyone explain? Baffling.
Annie says, “I’m still standing behind you. I still have all of the faith in the world in you. She tells Casey that she’s getting a tattoo for Caylee and wwill send her a picture after it’s done. She ends by saying, “I love you endlessley! xoxoxo Annie.”
Also, there’s one from LP’s niece Tracy. Have you read that one? She sent a photo of herself with the letter so Casey would know it was from her! According to Blink, Tracy has openly admitted to maintaining a relationship or wishing to, with Casey, even though she believes Casey killed her daughter.
So baffling . . .
Holy cow, JB. dis you ever think perhaps it is CINDY who chose to not be close to her siblings. When people find that you are full of crap and see through your bullsh*t you tend to stay away from them coz you can’t pull the wool over their eyes. Obviously there is no love lost between the two and perhaps he was seeing “oh no, not again with Cindy’s bullsh*t covering for Casey again. Perhaps he had had it up to here after Casey stole money from his mother and Cindy, as usual “protected” Casey.
His 15 minutes of fame on the blog? Gee, did HE make money off of his murdered niece? Or did Cindy and George (and Casey) make money off a murdered granddaughter and daughter. I believe THEY are the scumbags.
Bees:
My take on what I read was the person that profiled the letter was as well doing one on George, very early on I did profiles on Cindy, George & Casey while working on the book, I would just like to compare mine against anyone else to see if what I see is what someone else does as well.
If that is a site you keep up with, I thought you could give me a heads up if they post their personal profile of George.
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JB:
I dare say Georges letter may not make it into the trial, unless they ask him what his meaning was behind his statement “why destroy Caylee”
My take on that statement is he knows Casey destroyed Caylee, the state may want to draw that statement out a bit more.
Also one might consider that defense could as well use his letter against him if they do attempt to say Casey was abused by him, since he did not say Casey why would you lie about something so horrid?
imo George did tip toe around the subject never clearly saying he was innocent.
I’m sorry if this offends anyone, and I do not ask that anyone agree with me, but I do not see George as Mister nice guy, I have long suspected he was guilty of what Casey claimed.
So for those that wish to pound me over the head with his innocence, please save your fingers, you will not convince me, and I will not debate the issue.
And no, these letter PROBABLY will not be part of the trial. However, the SAO has to turn over everything they have to the defense. And we get to talk/gossip about it.
And WHY anzlyze George’s WHY letter? Is it lost on you that it was in response to Casey’s allegations of sexual abuse by George and Lee? And who said they saw a “professional” analyze it and come back and say it is “their” opinion/analysis? You seem awfully pissed off at what is discussed here all the time. Why aggravate yourself if you hate what you read? I don’t go to your site and diss your opinions and conspiracy theories.
You also mentioned Rick Plesea opened the door to the public. Do ya think maybe the great Flroida Sunshine Law did that?
Is casey gay or bi-sexual? She has an odd attraction to/from other females. She would not be the first gay woman to hide her homosexuality by sleeping with men. Nor would she be the first woman to “discover” her homosexuality a bit later in life. I don’t suppose it matters, I am just morbidly curious. Although it might help explain her state of mind IF she were going through some sort of turmoil in reference to coming out. FYI, If you really must bash, go right ahead, but it really is just a thought. I could care less about her sexual preferences and I am not homophobic, just curious.
I cannot for the life of me understand why some people will trash everyone around this vile tribe and make ridiculous excuses for the scamfam. IMO, there must be an agenda because some of those doing this do not really sound stupid…hmmmmmmmmmm
Hi Bees.
Up late tonight! I decided not to read any more letters. Didn’t know there was a lett from A. Downing or Tracey. Guess i will keep myself busy for a while longer over the next day or two continuing to read.
Going to check out your links.
Hi Judypc!
Judy: I certainly agree with you about george. I think casey exhibits the classic personality traits of a sexually abused woman. Nothing anyone can ever say will convince me that there was not some serious dysfunction in that bunch!!
I agree with LNY also. I think Rick Plesea may have been over casey stealing from his parents and upsetting them.
Did it occur to you JBM that possibly he didn’t go to the police because he WAS concerned about his sister? I read that blog way back when he first began posting there. He was just like everybody else, trying to FIND CAYLEE!!!!
Scamfam supporters seem to forget that when a lot of this first happened, people were concerned about Caylee because she was missing…they were trying to put information together that might find her…and then they realized that she was dead.
Hey judy-as far as George-ya never know. I thought the wording was strange too. Why ALSO destroy Lee…Mom…Me, your Family…Caylee.
What “2″ questions were asked?
My Speculation: question 1: Did you sexually abuse Casey and question 2: Did Lee sexually abuse Casey.
Well, going to Bees link.
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hi frankie, wow caught me off guard with the bisexual thing! Seems to me that Casey is a chameleon depedning on who she is hanging with. In women’s jail. gay. Hanging with college students. going to Valencia. Hanging with young working people, an Event Planner. Wnat o look like a big shot to your freinds? I got a “Nanny”..
Sorry, I seem to need to spell check before I hit submit.
OK, interesting analysis.
Well I am up way past my bed time. See you all tomorrow.
LindaNewYork:
How about these for the 2 questions?
(1) When did you first sexually abuse Casey?
(2) How long did you sexually abuse Casey?
And a 3rd if I were asking, would have been.
Did Cindy know or suspect?
Now, the big question for me is, Who will Cindy throw under that bus?
Will she stand by Casey or George & Lee?
I was on the blog too Frankie,
when Rick was spewing all of this information about the Anthony’s. I said to myself, why is this person here? Shouldn’t he call the tip line, talk to the detectives? I was really hoping he was an imposter, but no he provided the pictures as proof. Then I wondered why is it so important to him to tell everyone Casey is a liar? He wasn’t backing off on the subject.
I agree with many of you here, I’ve always thought Casey was molested. She definitely fits the profile with her promiscuity and her erratic behavior. But when I read what her Uncle Rick thought of her, I wonder if its him. Where was he living when Casey was a child? There was too much hate coming from him and no other family member. Maybe he was thinking when Casey got arrested for murder, she may plea deal and use childhood molestation as a defense and put him in the middle of it.
Yes, now I’m throwing Rick under the bus but he did put himself on a blog, so he’s fair game. Just a thought.
Judy PC, said:
I dare say Georges letter may not make it into the trial, unless they ask him what his meaning was behind his statement “why destroy Caylee
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That is a profound statement. Egads. I’m afraid to publish what comes to my mind.
If some of us want to believe what Casey wrote as true about George, which is a long shot, but playing the tape from that point of view, to why destroy Caylee? Does anyone think Casey may have an answer??
I think I see the logic (lol) to Cindy’s crazy letters…
She’s doing it for the “I’m an unreliable wittness” excuse. Constantly changing her stories, saying Caylee was seen in NY in 2010 (then who did you cremate and who’s ashes are you wearing around your neck?) and all of her other weird statements.
With George’s strange tales/statements and so called suicide, Cindy’s Lying all the time (like mother like daughter) and her saying that Lee had (mental?) problems and MOTY Casey being the smart, normal one. It’s easy to see that they are doing their best to control the damage that they did early on.
Oh Cindy, if only you gave Casey that extra day…She could have ran off and then months or a year later she could have reported Caylee missing/stolen from another state (you did do your best Cindy to get everyone to search everywhere but Florida and the County you live in), and no-one would have been wiser.
I think that Cindy is just as cold and heartless as Casey, for she is giving her false hope. But then again, they may be secrectly hoping that something happens to Casey (self inflicted or otherwise) so they could file a wrongful death suite…That would give them something to live off of besides Caylee’s death. And they get rid of another snot nosed brat…A Win-Win for team Cindy…Just my IMO.
In reading of Joran Van der Sloot’s mother stating her son is sick in his head it leads me think, why did Cindy and George not say Casey is sick in her head and try to get her a lesser sentence. They bragged her up to be such a great girl and mom, that leaves her with nothing but being a cold blooded killer, no mental disturbances to fall back on. Also if she claims George abused her sexually, why wouldn’t he go along with that if it would get her a lighter sentence. I haven’t seen that he denied it happened but he indicates it to not be true by his big “WHY” in his letter. Just suppose George admitted he did, could he still be prosecuted, would that only happen if Casey brings charges.
Does anyone think Casey will be put on the witness stand, where she can concoct a
story of long time abuse leaving her with a disturbed mind, gaining sympathy from the jurors. I guess it could work both ways, she is disturbed because it really did happen, or she is disturbed, that is why she claimed it happened. She has “implied” without s actually nameing George or Lee. (Or did she and I missed the comment) There is pity for George now that Casey has indicated abuse, but instead of sulking, and after writing how he stands by her no matter what, it shows him wanting her to say “I’m sorry daddy”. Maybe she did it to see if he really is standing by here or if just mouthing publicly on paid tv appearances. As far as destroying Caylee, she may have had that thought previously, but at the time it happened I tend to believe she wanted to go with here boyfriend Tony Lazzaro to NY. She wasn’t getting her way, All her bad acts were catching up (stealing money) everything was taken out on defenseless baby Caylee. I really really would like to know the conversation between Casey and Tony those hours on the phone on the evening of June 15/early 16th. Will that come out. Why wouldn’t that conversation be important, I haven’t heard anything about it, except they were on the phone for hours, after Cindy was supposed to have chocked Casey. Does anyone remember if it was talked about in Tony’s deposition. I’m not good at going back and finding those statements of months ago but I can try. Just looking for the easy way.
As to Cindy’s brother going out and blogging about her…
Perhaps he was/is in so much pain for Caylee and disgusted by all the lies that he blogged to safely express himself. To release his pain and anger, and to avoid a face to face with Cindy and George which, more than likely given George and Cindy’s
history, would have turned violent.
He found the best and safest way to express himself without snapping Cindy’s neck.
New Puppy said, on June 28, 2010 at 3:54 am
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Smarter move by Momma van der sloot, she knows her son is not walking away from this one.
Unfortunately for Casey Anthony the mental health card was not used when it might have had some weight. An experienced lawyer might have sniffed around the DAO and gave them a “what if” scenario. A lawyer with his clients best interests at heart might have stayed off the tv screens. But Baez didnt , he along with the Anthonys perpetuated the myth that Caylee was alive.
Sheesh…. Cindy’s still doing it.
The guy with the cowboy shirt has some interesting comments on just that point.
Good morning all.
Juypc: Those are good questions too. I was thinking a Lee question was one of them coz of the jailhouse letters mentioning both G & L.
So much (speculation) can be read into George’s letter/questions !!
What a nutty family to try to figure out.
So far out of all those 5000 pages here is the nuts & bolts that will make it to trial for sure.
The forensic etymologist wrote in his report about the evidence recovered at the scene where Caylee’s body was found
“In more than 800 cases over a 25 year period this case generated the highest number of samples,”
Formed Fiber Techonologies says that chloroform is not used in the manufacturing of any of its products, including the trunk liners it made for Pontiac Sunfires.
Doug Wollenburg said, on June 28, 2010 at 3:49 am Good thoughts. If cindy and george are crazy and are liars, their very damaging testimony could be diminished. It almost seemed for awhile, to me at least, that cindy was doing everything in her power to make sure casey WAS convicted. I just wonder if the State won’t be able to convince the jury it is all a ploy to mitigate their very damning testimony.
Jilly: Terrence Lenaman tried just that….then he left the case. I think maybe casey is demanding that she be exonerated and refuses reasonable defenses.
JBM: I have a sister that reminds me a whole lot of cindy. Her children are….well, for lack of a better term, POS most of the time. Without going into a long, long story, I strongly identify with Rick Plesea. After years of watching a haughty sibling lie, lie, lie and take advantage of her parents, I think his frustration in this just became unbearable. I finally just walked away from close contact with my sister, however, had her daughter or son been involved in something like this, I think I would have reacted in a very similar manner. I think it would bother me to see people so distraught over the child and yearning for answers. I think I would try to get the information to those people, even if I wasn’t quite ballsy enough to go to LE. I also think Rick realizes that most of his information came from his mother and is not legally acceptable because it is hearsay. I also think he didn’t really want LE getting too involved with Shirley. Clearly it was a cause for concern given the elderly Plesea’s health situations.
I can’t answer for him because I have never been in that situation, but I am not willing to judge him a molester or spiteful little whiny butt at this point. I view him as a man in a very difficult situation and I empathize highly with him.
Jillycomelately! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! C Mason “before he JOINED THE CIRCUS” Big Mouth! KARMA! Wonder if BAEZ missed this Video? I remember seeing another C Mason video when the case first start in the summer of 08 where he commented on the case saying it could cost 1 1/2 to 2 million for this case. Also, you mentioned a lawyer with KC’s best interest at heart, imo, this is why KC is where she is today! At the beginning, when T Lenamon had first written a DP Brief for KC & was temporarily on the Defense Team, IF he had STAYED, with his DP Experience for those accused of murder, he would have made BETTER decisions in KC’s best interest, NOT in HIS BEST INTEREST, perhaps realized that AFTER the STATE found the skull w/the duct tape, the DP would MOST Certainly go back on the table, he might have negotiated some type of plea for KC. His decisions would have been made on experience, NOT like Baez who had ALREADY gotten $200,000.00 from ABC for the Defense & plan to get more.. Thank GOD for the Blogger at WS that copied all the other Videos from KC’s MYSPACE BEFORE LEE/KC could delete them. She held them awhile, then released them before BAEZ could! When ask about WHY she clearly stated “IT WAS TO KEEP BAEZ/KC from making any more money off Caylee!” KARMA!
NewPuppy, back in the beginning, summer 08, someone ASK CA about KC possibly having “post par tum or some type of depression in an interview” & CA immediately shot that down. T Lenamon wanted to “explore this defense” & Baez “wouldn’t have it, after all, after being denied a Law Degree for 8 years for his character, finally receiving one & 3 years legal experience, Baez thought he KNEW EVERYTHING! Too, the ABUSE KC is claiming will be told by Lyon’s during the penalty phase as it is not likely KC will take the stand legal experts has said.
One of casey’s “fans” talks about seeing her ad for a pen pal, george and cindy have asked several churches to request their membership write to casey, and one “fan” talks about running into the anthonys at Walmart and george asks her to write casey. Sounds like a PR campaign to me!
I think the anthonys may make a run at this new business venture….Caylee’s demise and their daughters impending conviction.
Yep Frankie
And lots of letters from people who heard George’s plea at Caylee’s Shamorial.
Must write wittle Casey, even if the occasion made his speech truly vomit worthy. Casey had to have top billing.
art
I wondered….If Lyon claims Casey was abused , mighten she have to take the stand.
Can that testimony be given by a third party. The prosecution are going to refute all the mitigation they can. Jeez can you imagine Ashton calling George to the stand and asking him to read his WHY letter. This could get messy…sorry messier.
Not going to happen.
sry,
hit the submit button too soon..
It’s all speculation. I think the defense has an ace in the hole and that’s why there will be no plea deals. It will be revealed at trial breaking down the state’s theory to rubbish.
what they’ve found Zanny….lol
JB,
What do you think the theory is?
Why do you think they would let their ‘innocent’ client stay in jail?
TIA
JB
two words
RECIPROCAL DISCOVERY
jillycomelately said, on June 28, 2010 at 6:26 am
Well MC has put on his clown suit and joined the circus.
JBM: I think you are sadly mistaken. There is no ace on the hole. (Although the bunch of them come off as Aceholes! Sorry-Couldn’t resist). The ONLY ace in the hole would be to produce the Nanny who kidnapped/took/kept Caylee and killed her. Now THAT would truly be a Perry mason moment.
JB I know from your blog that you have numerous conspiricy theories. The money scam/nigerian one (or something like that, where you believe THAT is why Casey told Amy she was buying a house), because after all, Casey never lies about anything.
Morgan above asked you what your theory is. All here have expressed why we think she is guilty. Can you give us your take on why you think she isn’t? Or give a link to your blog? I would, but I think it is up to you if you want to provide the link.
And yes, jilly those are two very good words! Where is the reciprocal discovery? Me thinks they got nuthin!!!!
The ONLY defense is to produce a Nanny. NO ONE, not LE, not Lee, not Cindy’s top notch private detectives can fins this NONANNY.
Anyone know “about” where in all those letters I can find the one(s) from Anne Downing and Tracey???
BBL
Jillycomelately, thanks for that video of Mason Chaney. I have never seen that. It is certainly a wow moment, and one to definitely bookmark for future reference. Seems he already thought that Casey was guilty back in December of 08. After viewing that video, how on earth could Jose Biaz invite this man to be on the defense team. Are they trying to get rid of Casey, now that the money is gone? Also, would you mind if I shared that video with the bloggers over at Humbleopinion? I think a lot of them have never seen it.
LindNewYork said, on June 28, 2010 at 10:45 am
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Linda…He’s the ringmaster
jb has left the building? What a tease!
Museli
It’s a cracker isnt it…not my video, Im sure the You tuber intended it for wide distribution. LOL
Jillycomelately, I just wanted to be sure, and to give the credit to where I found it. I had to listen to it a couple of time to make sure I was really hearing what he was saying. I actually said What? out loud.
Jillycomelately, Thank you so much for the video, there is so much to remember, and
had not seen this video, a great one.
“The general rule in Florida is, pretty much without exception, when the Defense files its Notice of Intent to Participate in Discovery, pursuant to the Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure, both the State and the Defense are then obligated to timely provide all evidence in the possession of each, to one another, as set forth and defined by Rule 3.220 Fla. R. Crim.P. This duty to disclose is ongoing, up to commencement of trial. If either party breaches that duty, the Court has a broad range of sanctions it can impose on the offending partying, including, but not limited to, exclusion at trial of the witness or evidence not properly disclosed. ”
Bill Sheaffer 05/25/10
Perry Mason was make believe.
From Mr. Sheaffer’s article above ^^^^ and I think we agree his knowledge of the subject is superior to ours:
“The general rule in Florida is, pretty much without exception, when the Defense files its Notice of Intent to Participate in Discovery, pursuant to the Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure, both the State and the Defense are then obligated to timely provide all evidence in the possession of each, to one another, as set forth and defined by Rule 3.220 Fla. R. Crim.P. This duty to disclose is ongoing, up to commencement of trial. If either party breaches that duty, the Court has a broad range of sanctions it can impose on the offending partying, including, but not limited to, exclusion at trial of the witness or evidence not properly disclosed. ”
I think that pretty much means…they got nada and there will be NO Perry Mason moments at trial.
I do hope JB answers my 2 questions. I admit, I may not be the smartest bulb in the pack but for the life of me I cannot understand why someone would sit in jail if they were innocent.
jillycomelately said, on June 28, 2010 at 11:42 am
…Perry Mason was make believe….
SO IS THE NANNY !!!
frankie: Exactly. They have nothing except the couple of “expert” names from what 1 1/2-2 years ago? Maybe they will have names for a witness list after they finsish with their “summer of depos” ????
Thats just it Morgan. We can come up with dozens of reason/theories why we think/know she is guilty. And wish JB would “put on paper” here the things she feels make her have her doubts. She sometimes sounds like most defense attorney’s just attacking the prosecutions evidence instead of Proving the client’s innocence. And JB will say the defense does not have to prove the cleint’s innocence but in fact, only has to DISPROVE the State’s evidence.
I’ve never agreed with that argument, not just from JB, but in general. I look at it this way, if my client is innocent, well here’s why….And in THIS case, since Casey says a Nanny took her daughter than the defense needs to produce the Nanny. Her phone number, her picture, her sister, her car, her drivers license, her pinky finger…
Speaking of producing Zanny, a while back I counted up all the people who should be here somewhere and aren’t.
1. Zanny
2. Zanny’s mom
3. Zanny’s dad
4. Zanny’s sister
5. Zanny’s sister’s TWO kids.
6. Jeff Hopkins ( the right one)
7. Zack Hopkins
8. Juliette Louis
9. Juilette’s daughter
10. Bob somebody ( boss at Universal)
So far I count 11 people missing, no missing persons reports and 4 of them are children. People who haven’t crossed the bridge to crazy town DO report missing children.
“…the defense needs to produce the Nanny. Her phone number, her picture, her sister, her car, her drivers license, her pinky finger…”
Is that really so? I think the prosecution has to prove there is no nanny; the defense needs to do nothing about this nanny. (if I read the law well that is.) The defense doesn’t need to prove Casey is innocent.
The defense doesn’t need to prove Casey is innocent…..with that being stated. Why would anyone sit in jail if they were innocent? It is just not logical.
The defense doesn’t need to prove Casey is innocent…..with that being stated. Why would anyone sit in jail if they were innocent and they had the means to prove it (per her lawyers)? It is just not logical.
Sorry for the dbl post – I hit submit before I finished…
Perhaps they can’t prove she is innocent. But that is not their job. it is the prosecutions job to prove she is and the defense can argue against their proof. (I hope I got it right).
Not true – They said they had the evidence that will prove that she did not put Caylee in the swampy waters. So again, my question is hy would anyone sit in jail if they were innocent and they had the means to prove it (per her lawyers)?
Morgan. i think when a defendant puts forth a defense where they are saying person X did this crime, they do begin to cause the burden to swing in their direction, in the eyes of the jury.
If the defense in this case where going to stick to debunking the investigation and evidence, then no ,they don’t have to show that someone else is responsible, just that there is reasonable doubt that their client did the crime.
But when they go with SODDI and name the dude, they at the very least need to show that the other dude exists.
T2M I agree. Nothing points to SODDI. For me personally, if I was in jail and could prove my innocence, I would be screaming it to anyone how would listen. Her sitting there claiming there is proof that SODDI is, imo, not logical.
I am just a layperson, but I try to look at every piece of evidence coming out as if there could be a scenario that could / would point to someone else. I’m not seeing it, so when JB claimed that “It’s all speculation. I think the defense has an ace in the hole and that’s why there will be no plea deals. It will be revealed at trial breaking down the state’s theory to rubbish.” I was hoping she would explain.
Here’s a couple of things that I have noticed while reading all the stuff. One was from a litlle lady thinking Casey is possessed by a demon! The other one that tickled my fancy was fom a guy named Shulman…short and sweet. “Casey you are an asshole”, sincerly. Guess none of us should be to surprised at the tone of alot of the letters, they are just the JERRY SPRINGER SHOW in letter form. I think I have a different take on the interview with Cindy’s boss and the gettting custody of Caylee. Seems to me Cindy had a whole lot of excuses for not doing it. Her age, {I was 63 when we did it} no money, {we found an attorney who work pro bono}. I think us just wanted controll of Casey and to push her buttons. Because if she were really serious she would have moved heaven and earth to do it. And we have all seen that she can be a force to be recond with when the mood suits her, so why not Caylee? About the defense not having to prove her innocent, that is true but if the lawyers had any proof at all to her not being apart of this they would have shot it off, right off the bat to keep her out of jail and to get LE looking for the right person. Well that’s my 2cents worth, back to reading.
Morgan
As someone who has been on 2 juries, I believe the jury in this case will be open to the defense, but at some point they’re gonna say..”Ok, show me this Zanny, show me she had means to kill this child with the rare duct tape owned by the defendant, show me she was in the vicinity of the crime at the time of the crime.”
And I believe they are stuck with that defense due to her statement at Universal and the fact that Melich and Allen will testify that they spent many man hours looking for some trace of this elusive nanny.
As someone up thread said, they should have listened to Lennamen, diminished capacity makes the most sense.
Unless they do what I think they should, Show the jury that Geo and Cindy are liars and show that we only have their word that Caylee was returned to her mother on Fathers day night, put them on the spot. The only independant information about Caylee is that video and the staff at the nursing home. Other than that all we have is Cindy and Geo’s word for it.
( I believe they returned her to her mother but in terms of reasonable doubt, Cindy is a better scape goat than Zanny the imaginanny.)
Ina, the defense will EASILY be able to prove there is no Nanny. THAT is a slam dunk.
Hi everyone. Good comments!!! I have a sick keyboard. Can read, but hard to reply. See you tomorrow. Back to reading . . . . . .
Great list T2M ! And “Thomas Franck” the ficticious e-mail sender “..so and so called in a favor and will need you here at 7:30pm..” (or somehting like that).
And don’t forget Jeffrey Hopkins Mother who was supposed to ge betting married (and I guess the new Husband)!
Yes Linda! THAT is a slam dunk.
T2M – I agree Lennamen, imo, was the best shot. Idk about putting the blame on George and Cindy. They didn’t have her car after she left and her friends can testify to that. Therefore they could not put Caylee’s body in it. And they have the text and testimony where Casey claims Caylee was at the beach or at Disney with Zanny at certain times. And Casey’s claims she left her at Zanny’s apt.
LNY, I knew I was going to forget someone, that’s a lot of unaccounted for people! lol
24theroad, I don’t think Cindy would have had much of a problem getting custody, all she would have had to do is say, “Hey, you go have a good time, I’ll keep Caylee” Do that for a few months, then say ” I was thinking about health Ins, and you know, if I had custody I could get that taken care of”
Little by little the defendant would have handed over her child , she had better things to do any way.
Or Cindy could have pressed charges on the misuse of her credit cards, while her daughter sat in jail with no one to bail her out, get an emergency hearing for temp custody. I know people will say it’s not that easy, but I’m an Aunt who did it, if an Aunt can do it, Grandparents can.
Just here for a quick question…can’t stay long cuz I have a very sick baby.
Anyone know when the next motions hearing is?
Morgan
I think the defense could put out info to the jury that Geo and Cindy had access to the car, while it was Amscot it was only a few blocks from their home, as to why the defendant would say caylee was at Disney ect..I think they could try to show that Cindy had so much control over her daughter that she would lie for her. I think it’s possible to twist everything, like that the defendant was actually covering for her Mother NOT the other way around.
What they need is reasonable doubt, they aren’t going to get it with the nanny story.
Mixologist I think it is 7/15/10 regarding the TES records.
Mix, sorry about sick baby! July 15 they will argue the 911 calls.
Have to run, have a good day all!
T2M, I am sure a lot of the Prosecution closing argument will be centered on the non-Nanny.
“Casey had the phone number of every single solitary person she knows in her cell phone EXCEPT the Nanny or her make-beleive co-worker the movie star Juliette Lewis (hehe), Jeffrey Hopkins, whose non-son Zanny the Nanny also nannied for. OH, and she says she LOST the the WORK phone that contained those numbers and reported the lost phone to security where she worked. BUT she did not have a job. Not one friend or family member has met, seen or heard the voice of this Nanny. The address Casey gave for the Nanny where she said she dropped her daughter off on June 16 , 2008was for an apartment that was empty since February 2008…
Ms. Anthony has claimed she searched for her daughter for 31 days. Howver we have the testimony of countless friends who were with her during those 31 days who have testified that she showed no distress, no fear and did not mention that her daughter was taken by a Nanny. In fact we have photos of a very jovial Casey Anthony dancing the night away at a club. We have testimony from Ms. Anthony’s parents, Mr. Simon Birch, and countless detectives who testified of the smell of human decompostion in Ms. Anthony’s car…Ladies and gentlemen of the jury if there is no Nanny you can only come to the conclusion that Ms. Anthony did in fact murder her daughter, placing piece after piece of duct tape around her daughter’s nose an mouth watching as her almost 3 year old daughter suffocate…..”
(SORRY, I am getting carried away…CMA pisses me off!)
Hi Mix, I think there is a court date for July 15th. (Hmmm, that date sounds familiar) for the 911 call thingy.
LMAO! I just got an up date from another blogger, it looks like 25 people are missing from the Orlando area and not one report on any of them.
Humbleopion has a list
http://humbleopinionforum.net/cma-whos-who-list/cma-family-ties/cma-fantasy-world-lies-lies/
T2M, that looks hysterical. Gotta check it out.
frankie, I agree with your assessment of Rick Pleasa & your unique experience. I have watched a friend, who had an adult sibling that “burdened her parents with marital problems, constant problems with her kids, constant financial woes,” & while she would BURDEN her elderly adult parent’s DIDN’T WANT TO HEAR what to do to handle it or take responsibility for anything. She just continued to burden her elderly parent’s until they died. My friend, like you was SICK to death of her sibling & now has distanced herself from her. Rick Pleasa & his brother’s have watched CA whine & complain to Grandma Pleasa, whine that KC stole money from the Anthony’s, & then CA WATCHED KC steal from Grandma Pleasa by paying a $350,00 cell bill! CA is PISSED OFF Grandma Pleasa shared this with the relatives exactly what KC was up to, then KC paid for Caylee’s 2nd birthday party with Grandma Pleasa’s check & then during the b’day party, KC whined because she was jealous of CA & Caylee! I bet Rick Pleasa has had a GUT FULL OF the Anthony’s especially CA in which he states she is so smart. It has to be difficult to watch your sister LIE at all expense for her murdering daughter that took the life of CA’s only grand child. imo.
judypc, I too agree with your observations of damning information in this doc dump. I thought Tony’s room mate’s interview was interesting.
mixologist, I too am sorry your little one is sick! Keeep us updated. In addition to the 911 calls to be argued, the TES Motions will be argued also.
FIREWORKS on the 15th!
I predict C Mason will be wearing a MUZZLE! LOL! jmo.
Could someone please tell me what evil over takes a full grown adult women to make her go to a paint store buy gallons of paint then come home and proceed to tear down the Master bedroom and start painting that sucker by herself?
There has to be some demon loose in the Palm Coast that I crossed paths with.
EGADS I have finally lost my mind!!!!!
Right now my whole body is screaming “”DAMN FOOL!!!!””
And I think its right ;-(
I don’t know what evil demon does that Judy, but she has been tittering on the edges of my consciousness for awhile. But, since I now know you are sooooo good at painting, I may need a little help
! I just ordered new drapes and a new bed set for the master bedroom….sooooooooo I need to paint it to match. I am thinking of a very, very pale lavender. DH is purple phobic however. He thinks the color will emasculate him is some way……. ha ha ha ha!!!!
I have to wonder how many folks have moved on to other forums & other cases like Kyron’s featured on sites like JusticeQuest?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128017555 this is about a man on death row, who got a chance to prove he was innocent, which is special. Is a bit off topic. It is in Georgia.
“Unlike in a criminal trial, the burden of proof falls on Davis to show he is innocent. ” I am chewing on this sentence, so this is not a criminal trial, but a review of a case I suppose?
There were 9 witnesses who said they saw him shoot a person, but now 7 have changed their statements. (!) The other 2?
The defense will pull out the ace, case closed. Everyone goes home.
The ace is the maggots found in the trunk of the car. Nothing yet in the documents, this must be a problem for the state that’s why they’re not released yet to the public but Cheney and Baez know.
It’s the forensic evidence that should worry the state, not lack of ZG. Person? You can prove they do exist, but you can’t prove they don’t exist. It’s just the nature of the beast in a court of law.
Orlandoans are going to be very upset come May 2011.
JB
Thank you for responding. Respectively I disagree with your theory. We have not yet received all reports yet from the FBI. This is one of JB and MC thorns as they don’t fall under the Judges jurisdiction and, if I understand correctly, he cannot compel them to turn over what they have until they want to.
What we do know is there is presence of chloroform, hair with deathband, decomp, blowflies and gravewax in the trunk of Casey car. Said car who’s only driver during this time was Casey Anthony.
I do agree that a FEW Orlandoans are going to be very upset, but don’t think I will be one of them.
JB, maggots? That is all you got?
LNY, can you explain the maggots, I went back to try to understand but…no luck! lol
How are maggots gonna set her free? TIA
T2M, I cannot explain that at all, in the least. How are maggots gonna set her free? Well, maybe they will eat up the jail, like termites and her an all the other prisoners will be set free! LOL! Really, I do not know what JB means. I and some other asked for JB’s theories and that is all we got.
I seriously have not, in all this time have seen one single solitary thing that would even come close to finding Casey innocent. I guess we will have to wait a year to see what the defense comes up with, the proverbial ace in the hole.
BBL–
The maggots were there cause of the trash?
Anyway: If every person would be convicted for murder because maggots being found in their car trunk , there would be millions of people in prison or death row. jmo.
She doesn’t have to be innocent, she needs to be proven guilty to get convicted. A judge won’t say Casey is innocent. He will say there is not enough evidence to prove guilt. Will he use the words Not guilty, I think only the jury will?
Maggots in her ( mothers ) car are not proof Casey killed her daughter Caylee.
The defense will appeal when she is found guilty, but the prosecution can’t demand an appeal I am told. Is that true? Will there be other charges if she gets out, like child neglect (she was responsible for her daughters well being).
Thanks LNY, I haven’t seen any thing that indicates innocence either. Alll I know about maggots in this case is, Geo said there were so many he could hear them . eeewwwww
I have never had maggots in my car, in all the years I have owned cars, never one maggot. That may have to do with the fact that I don’t collect my friends household trash and store it in the trunk?
JB is saying the maggots are gonna free her not convict her.
I believe it will be the chloroform, hair with deathband, decomp, blowflies and gravewax being the car that only Casey had access to.
Morgan,
HOW will the maggots do that? That’s what I’m not understanding.
Don’t forget ( along with what you listed) the defendant was forced to report the child missing after 31 days and showed no concern for the missing child during that time. I think a persons state of mind during a time like that is important.
I believe the 911 call will be admitted at trial, her asking for more time and saying she didn’t want to talk to them, looks real bad on her part. Her behaviour doesn’t match her story of an abducted child.
So we know something about the Supremes now. I hope to learn more about the Three Degrees.
1st degree – pre-meditated, deliberate murder
2nd degree – deliberate murder
3rd degree – manslaughter – an assault that accidentally kills the victim
I suppose Casey stands trial for first degree murder. But if no degree can be decided on, as there is not enough proof, what kind of impact will this have on the verdict? Will the trial have to start all over?
T2M – I don’t understand that either. And like you, I have never had a maggot in my car – ick. Guess we are safe from death row.
I think the call will be admitted as it shows Cindy’s voice is full of panic and desperation. Then the spin began…
I think the jury is going to have a hard time getting past the 31 days and the lies as well. My money is on the forensic evidence. From what I have read it just all comes back to her.
Also if a Judge would have said there is not enough evidence to prove guilt, we wouldn’t be here today. So I think the State has their case and I think the defense’s biggest mistake was waiving her right to a speedy trial.
morning all doing my live show now
http://www.live365.com/stations/beastmixer
Interesting information if you google “maggots dna”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11373008
This is what I thought about extracting dna from maggots.
Morgan I agree, the trial could have been finished before the remains were found, all that’s happend now is more damning evidence has come out to use at trial.
Cindy is delusional if she thinks anyone will buy that story that she only mentioned the smell in the car to get cops there faster, as if a missing toddler isn’t enough. Phuleeze!
Ina, the trial won’t have to be done again the jury has options as to the degree of murder all the way down to manslaughter to choose from.
Ina, please don’t be so glib.
And, there was no rotting pizza in the trunk, AND someone correct me if I am wrong, but I just quickly searched around and I am finding there were NO maggots in the trunk. (I googled maggots found in trunk of casey anthony’s car).
And incidently, there were coffin flies found in the trunk…
Gotta run out. Maybe I will look around more for those maggots later.
Not to be toooooo disgusting this early in the morning ,—- but — maggots can develop from ANY rotting garbage — including —-food, feces …. “Flies love lots of decaying, smelling garbage. Maggots will form in anything rotten and odoriferous. All you need is an open pail of moist garbage filled with decaying food to get maggots. The ideal conditions are warm, moist areas full of decaying food that have a good odor. House flies or filth flies lay their eggs in the garbage. The maggots hatch soon after and feast their way to adulthood…”
AND —JB feels that the defense has an”ace in the hole” —- so why isn’t JB being castigated and called a “troll”???? Me — as I’v said before … and will say again … some big drug issue is involved ——
theJBmission said, on June 29, 2010 at 2:28 am
The defense will pull out the ace, case closed. Everyone goes home.
The ace is the maggots found in the trunk of the car. Nothing yet in the documents, this must be a problem for the state that’s why they’re not released yet to the public but Cheney and Baez know.
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Once again you resort to gibbersih and patent falsehoods as opposed to any sort of intellectual argument. Still, keeping the FACTS of Casey Anthony’s innocence from us.
Anyhow, if you feel inclined, you can fill your boots about them “maggots” if you read Dr Neil Haskell’s comprehensive report which supports the State’s assertion, there was a decomposing body in Miss Anthony’s car trunk. His report has been in the public domain for approx 8 months.
I would categorize Dr Neil Hakell as only one “ace in the hole” for the prosecution.
As always… thanks for the comic relief.
“moist garbage filled with decaying food to get maggots” There wasn’t any moist decaying food in that trunk, just empty containers. And, Cindy’s statements about pizza are “hearsay”, George Marie told her in answer to her question, “pizza, right?”, “yes, pizza”. Cindy never saw the garbage bag at the tow yard. Guess we’ll eventually find out if their were actually maggots in there. We do know from the reports that there were coffin flies and adipocere on the trunk liner.
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/05/fbi-notes-“death-wax”-in-casey-anthony-discovery/
Thank you Dr. Lee. With friends like you, who needs enemies?
Yo hola,
What evidence leads you to believe there is some big drug issue involved?
Yo Hola! said, on June 29, 2010 at 8:09 am
Ok let me ask you, what evidence points to a drug issue? What evidence points to someone other than Casey?
I am not buying JB’s theory as nothing points to it. In fact according to the Body Farm “the but pizza was tested at the University of Tennessee’s Decay Research Facility and no maggots were found after the testing.
An adult squirrel (apparently a hit-and-run victim) was also tested, at the University of Tennessee Anthropology Dept. The tests, including air tests, showed only a small amount of maggot activity and odor as compared to the truck of Casey’s car, and no sulfur compounds, chloroform or carbon tetrachloride.” http://www.jurorthirteen.com/GeneralCategories/UpcomingTrials/CaseyAnthonyTrial/tabid/1273/Default.aspx
So where are the maggots?
JB: The lack of maggots only shows that Caylee was in the trunk long enough for the maggots to become the blowflies. It also shows that the body weight of the dead child could have been reduced by as much as 50% before casey threw her in the woods like weeks old garbage that had blowflies in it. You might find this link interesting:
http://whatcom.wsu.edu/ag/homehort/pest/calliphoridae.htm
It explains the development of blowflies from maggots.
Also from the same article “Roots were growing in her small bones for approximately four months. It’s important to note that the bones would first need to be disarticulated, completely skeletonized, and then stabilized for roots to adhere to and grow into the bones. A fall leaf layer covered many of the scattered bones indicating that the bones were dispersed before the fall season of 2008. The overall conclusion by the specialists is that the pattern of skeletal dispersal is consistent with the body of Caylee Anthony being dumped into the woods at the scene located on Suburban Drive during the early stages of decay, and before significant disarticulation occurred.”
frankie…yup..There was a whole show on CSI about flies, blowflies, and decompostition. You can lie all you want. But the facts, scientific facts tell the true story.
I think it’s the “type of maggots” that will be important. I don’t think these were your average trash on the street type of maggot, but the ones who morph into coffin flies.
BTW Beast – Great music – TY
All of Casey’s behaviour and “associates” from the Fusion club — having money without a job,steling money –etc,,etc, —- I guess we all forget — and perhaps drug involvement — not just recreational use is what precipitated tyhe fights with Cindy —- just a gut feeling —-
tnx morgan…check out the live show link from my website…its a audio/video chat room
http://www.beastmixer.ca
Yo Hola – Gut feeling – fair enough.
But there is no evidence that supports that. There has been testimony that the fight was over Casey stealing money again. That was per Lee if I remember correctly.
Thanks for the “fair enough” —- my sense is there is soooo much more we do not know…. and Casey’s behaviour is so drug culturish (is there such a word?)
Another source that explains the complete cycle:
Life cycle of the black blow fly
Adult female blow flies arrive within minutes to lay eggs on a cadaver. Each deposits about 250 eggs in the natural openings of the body and open wounds. The eggs hatch into first-stage maggots within 24 hours. These feed and then molt into second-stage maggots, which feed for several hours, and then molt into third-stage maggots. Masses of third-stage maggots may produce heat, which can raise the temperature around them more than 10° C. After more feeding, the third-stage maggots move away from the body and metamorphize into adult flies.
Link is here for more info:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/visibleproofs/galleries/technologies/blowfly.html
Not seeing how this helps your assertion.
Thanks Beast – appreciate that.
Yo Hola – I am all for anything being possible as long as there is evidence that supports it.
Personally back in the day (many yrs ago) in jr. high I did smoke pot and pop a few pills. IMO, Casey didn’t walk around looking stoned (is that still the word lol). She appeared to be shopping, cooking,taking care of the boyfriend of the day, partying and generally not having a care in the world.
Not sure if Casey’s behaviour is so drug culturish (sure why not a word?) based on my opinion.
Yo Hola: I too have speculated about the drug culture. I also thought she had to have been getting money somewhere. There was a discussion on Val’s site about the money and they broke it down to show that perhaps her thievery was sufficient for her needs. After all, the anthonys were paying for everything and she was not paying imaginanny so she simply stole the rest. I think if she was getting into the drug culture or the porn industry, it was very recently so she would not have been important enough to waste too much time on. Even if she knew what she shouldn’t know, why didn’t they just kill casey? That would have solved the problem completely.
Good point Frankie. Also, drug dealers would have to know exactly where her pooh blanket was, the laundry bag and the ‘rare’ duct tape and put Casey’s signature heart shaped sticker on the duct tape.
Yo Hola – I also agree – there is more to come…
Where is the proof there was no rotting pizza in the car, before the car was found, and removed, btw? How can you prove that? Can you prove you had no pizza in your car yestrerday? How? And I will be glib with pride if I choose so
none of your business if I will 
Ina – there was an empty pizza box, no pizza. That is the testimony of the towing company man, when he opened the trunk with George.
Good morning everybody! Morgan, that’s true, the evidence “doesn’t support drug involvement” except for “recreational use” with KC. Yo hola, I am certainly OPEN to what ever evidence is released, too, due to the Sunshine Law Exceptions, there IS so much more we don’t know, for example, there was probably another page to GA’s letter, it’s not even signed, probably a 3rd page.
I finished Tony’s roommate’s interview yesterday & he indicated that KC was a recreational user & of weed, not pills. BUT! That was ONLY for a month in the life of KC Anthony & her love life with Tony, there were many men, many parties, more could come out.
jmo, it seems KC was a chameleon, if her “love interest for the month” liked something, she liked it, but none of KC’s friends have said she was selling any type of drugs. Remember in the beginning, there was a lot of “rumor” about the possibility of KC being a “call girl” but that was ONLY a rumor, nothing ever supported it.
frankie, I agree with your comment, KC’s only financial needs were for her “recreation” & it is possible that KC was sustaining herself on theft. CA probably PAID the insurance on the SUN FIRE as it was in CA’s name, CA didn’t want to be responsible if the car was involved in an accident.
Morgan. when there was a pizza box, there must have been a pizza at some time. A part of that pizza might have been in the car, rotted, and was removed before the car ended up where it did. The box was there, so the pizza was eaten in the car.
frankie —– no, absolutely no sense of “porn” —- drug culture — yes —-
LEE REMAINS SILENT!
http://www.wesh.com/video/24072737/index.html
ARTICLE:
http://www.wesh.com/news/24072520/detail.html
Ina, you must not have college kids, I do. They eat Pizza at least 4 times a week instead of burgers, a lot of the time in their cars. Pizza is cheap, you can share pizza, & even Caylee probably ate pizza before she was murdered. imo, there is no significance to the pizza box being in KC’s car.
Ina – I think the box was from Tony’s apt and didn’t fit into the garbage bag, therefore it was empty and more likely eaten in the apt.
I agree, she paid no rent, no car payment, no utility bills, no child care, no grocries, apparently none of caylees clothes or toys, she didn’t even pay for the childs B-day cake with her won money. I just re-read Cindys myspace entry this am, according to her she covered everything for Caylee. That means she needed gas money but Daddy’s lawn mower took care of that a good deal of the time. She had no over head .
I have seen no evidence of her “associates” being serious dealers, Tony said he sold weed to a handfull of friends, that hardly constitutes big drug issues.
I also agree that she didn’t look like someone with a drug problem.
Art – That’s another thing I don’t get. Lee doesn’t say anything, no Aunts / Uncles/ Cousins have come forward in her defense…nobody but George and Cindy. Really very sad.
Ina, Ina, Ina. There was a white dog, so there was a Zanny. Sounds like your pizza reasoning. Unless the preferred topping by Casey was moist, rotting garbage, pizza just dries up, curls around the edges, and doesn’t smell. Really, this is so ridiculous. How’s your compatriot doing in Peru? Maybe you could concentrate in helping him out with your theories.
Morgan are you still listening? If so what player are you using?
If it was from Tony’s appt. it should have been in the old paper waste bin. For recycling.l
lol art sounds like a greasy diet. Casey was too thin to eat many pizza’s and burgers… I used to think she was a bit anorexic even.
Beast – I had to turn if off for a few I was listening to Beastmixer Rock&Dance mix. But nothing is on now.
Ina – sadly recycling is not mandatory in Fl. Could care less about her diet. Even if pizza was in the car – that in itself will not produce maggots. On that note – I am off to lunch and I am going to skip anything ‘pizza-ish’.
K thanks…Im on Ustream as well…
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/beastmixer
The problem was there wasn’t any food in the trunk to decompose. CSI Gerardo Bloise stated in his forensic report August 25 that he “did not find any pizza or any type of meat.” There might have been remnants of food on the many empty containers, but nothing that could possibly produce a stench that Cindy Anthony described as the “smell of death.”
Read more: http://www.momlogic.com/2009/01/casey_caylee_new_documents.php#ixzz0sFwuEQD0
If Casey was involved in drug dealing, she would have had money. Even if only a pigeon, she wouldn’t have had to steal gas for her car.
I just can’t equate smoking pot once in a while to being so heavily involved with a drug cartel that her baby would be murdered. JMO
Ina, it is obvious that you do not know very much about Florida. We are not allowed to put pizza boxes in the old paper containers we put out for trash. Single, swinging, 20 something young people do not worry about recycling. As I said before, this is just ridiculous, uninformed nonsense. Back to the facts.
diana I agree with all you said, to me there is a million miles between smoking a joint on occasion and killing your child.
And not only would she have had more money, she would have kept gas in the car, whether you sell Avon or drugs, you have to get the product to the customer when they want it or they go to someone else. You have to be reliable to be in any kind of sales.
I’m not seeing anything druggie related. But I think it would have been a better defense that Zanny the Non-Nanny…
I too prefer nonsense that at least is informed muesli lol. (How do you informe nonsense btw) Have a nice lunch Morgan
Perhaps the food or nappy/diaper that decomposed, was gone, thrown out, but the smell and insects were still there. Sounds possible to me. Must cook btw. Dinnertime.
LOL Ina – are you trying to say POOP smells like decomp???
Ina said, on June 29, 2010 at 7:20 am
Anyway: If every person would be convicted for murder because maggots being found in their car trunk , there would be millions of people in prison or death row. jmo.
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Right____but she’s not charged with having maggots in her car, lol__its first degree murder and 4 counts of lying to police. no one single piece of evidence will convict,
little matter of a dead baby makes anthony’s maggots a bit more special.
LOL@ Finished, SPECIAL maggots!
I’ve changed a lot of diapers and am thanking God none were so bad that I felt the need to call 911 . lol
Finished – aint that the truth~
Still lol’ng over that one poop and decomp…Wanting to call my kids and tell them to have a witness available at diaper changes. I don’t want to read about them have decomped poop in their home! OMG – then she wonders why people think she is whacked.
Yo Hola! said, on June 29, 2010 at 8:09 am
“AND —JB feels that the defense has an”ace in the hole” —- so why isn’t JB being castigated and called a “troll”???? Me — as I’v said before … and will say again … some big drug issue is involved ——”
Hi Yo Hola. JB has been asked several times for her throeries and the only thing that was said was the ace in the hole is maggots.
Yo Hola, please tell me where I can find that info that Casey’s “associates” from fusion had no jobs and were stealing money???? DJ’s get paid. Tony was a coolege student. College students, as I know from many freinds who have kids in college, give them money. Her “association” with Fusian consisted of Tony, the DJ (?) and shot girls for a couple of weeks.
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INa, there was no pizza. Just a pizza BOX. Cut it out.
OK, maybe the maggots from the pizza BOX put duct tape around Caylee’s face and hundreds of those maggots took her body out of the trunk and carried her to the woods where she was found. Instead of the infamous “Twinkie Defense” the ace in the hole will be the “Maggot Defense”. OR better yet a “Pizza Defense” (I CAN BE JUST AS SILLY).
These young working college going adults, like generations before are/were recreational drug users. I have not seen one thing about some big drug cartel. Cindy seems to think “those new people from fusion” were big time drug dealers/users. 2008 is NOT the late 80′s and early 90′s when the crack craze was around which spawned murder, violence and mayhem. (On a side note, I graduated high school in 1980. Yeah, hung with the pot smoking (etc.!??)crowd. In my very LARGE group of friends and aquaintences not one single solitary recreational drug user EVER murdered or kidnapped a little girl). Just another ungounded “conspiricy theory”.
I will use as “Cindyism”. If telling mis-truths and half-truths does not make you a murderer, then Casey’s “new friends” “smoking pot, droppin a hit of ectasy and taking a valium does not make you a murderer” and kidnapper of an almost 3 year old.
(On another side note, just because I joke around does not mean I do not find this WHOLE thing horrific, that a Mother murdered her child).
OK, I am sure you will all be glad to know I am done with THIS long comment. lol
Morgan said, on June 29, 2010 at 11:16 am
Hahahaha-witness at a diaper change. Perhaps Ina’s poop smells like decomp? (could not resisit, sorry Ina.)
Finished, T2M, Morgan, Muesli, etc. Thank you all for having such great a great sense of humor.
LNY, some of the excuses/theories are really funny when you compare them to the evidence released in the documents!
First it’s pizza..opps no pizza in the car so now it’s diapers. REALLY bad diapers, the kind you need a hazmat suit for.
Gotta run BBL
Linda – those ‘special’ maggots are something aren’t they? LOL@ maggot defense. Just think another year of this……
Mogan, imo, Lee & Mallory have both tried their best to “distance themselves from this case,” Lee is pressured by CA/GA, Lee loves his sister, thus far, it seems Lee has seen through KC’s BS for a long time, Lee told Tony/roommate KC’s scam as well as the wire tap where Lee continue to SHARE about KC’s dishonesty. Lee has discussed KC many times w/JG who already knew KC’s lies & theft, as well as Lee calling one of KC’s friends & telling her NOT to lie to LE for KC, to “tell the truth.”
Lee, imo, was pressured by GA/CA to LIE in J Morgan deposition, as he doesn’t want to help send her to LWOP or DP. Now, as the link pointed out by the spokesperson, LEE will Absolutely DENY the “sexual abuse claims” made by KC, who ya gonna believe? A pathological liar or Lee?
LindaNewYork, I read somewhere that Tony was in a group of 4 guys that did gigs together & worked at Fusion, at the door, DJ’ing, etc. & they were paid. They might have traded off where 2 each of the guys worked per night, but they were paid.
Finishe lurking, Talking2much, & Muesli, LOL, I agree with all your comments. I am so glad to be past haz mat diapers, but my College Kids are breaking me!
If ANYONE has a creditable link to theories, I wish they would be forthcoming, as ALL evidence will be considered by everyone I would hope, the operative word is “evidence.”
Art,
Lee’s attorney Thomas Luka said (I believe in 12/08) “It’s possible criminal charges could be filed if the state feels that Lee Anthony mislead law enforcement officials or tampered with evidence in any way.”
And in 01/09 Lee was granted limited immunity.
Lee did his depo for the Civil trial in 02/09, and a statement that sticks out is “I Believe Everything My Sister Tells Me”. Yet, he has previously told LE and friends she is a liar and thief.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18812752/detail.html
Will be interesting to see what side of fence he goes for at trial.
D Casey’s depo will be good reading, if we ever get it. Someone pointed him the area where Caylee’s was found….are we taking bets?
think about the uneaten pork chops (not imaginary kind) and dirty diapers that get chucked into the garbage each day. America should be knee deep in maggots
and we should all be sporting nose bags so the stench doesnt invoke our gag reflex.
now its poop_she’s not whacked Morgan__just determined to bring capital punishment in America to any blog she pervades_certainly not interested in anthony’s innocence or guilt__only her possible punishment and definitely not interested in the LITTLE VICTIM or how she suffered.
thank goodness the jury system survives as those who serve on it
generally know bullsh*t when they hear it.
JB, with all respect, have you ran your theories past the brainiacs at Hinky’s? There are some super-smart sleuths over there and you might want to take advantage of their wisdom. You aren’t changing anybody’s mind here on this blog which might be frustrating for you. Just a suggestion, of course. There are smart bloggers here, too, but I haven’t seen anyone yet accept your theories. Try some new folks?
Linda, I’m going to be right back with those links!
Interesting Finished that she wants to change laws that have zero effect on her. I don’t think Casey will get the death penalty, I think life and will hope for LWOP.
Finshed, that’s one of my pet peevs about some anti-DP people, they disregard the vitim and their suffering.
If they would stick to facts about the DP, I would have no problem discussing the issue with them but when the victim and what they went through are brought up, they seem uninterested.
For example, if Caylee was awake and aware, she at the age of 2&1/2 had to face her own death, her own murder making it hard for me to have sympathy for the one responsible for that.
Linda, so far, nothing has surprised me more than Tracey M. and Annie Downing’s letters!?!
Tracy McLaughlin, (Tracy Dawn Conroy) said, “If you need anything from me, please don’t hesitate to ask. I promise I won’t share anything with ANYONE … I think you know what I mean. I really like you, Casey. You were wonderful to me and I admire your strength . . .” She included a photo of herself so Casey would know for sure who it was that was writing to her and sending money for her extra.
This is a very large fille:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24039428/detail.html
page 268
The letter from Annie Downing:
“I’m still standing behind you. I still have all of the faith in the world in you. …..I’m getting a tattoo for Caylee. I will send you a picture after it’s done. …..I love you endlessley!”
Set 2, Page 738
Morgan, I’ll bet Cindy. You?
Bees – my money’s on Lee
Interesting.
Niecey thinks those letters aren’t much to get excited about. She thinks they were like many others ~ just wanting attention, fame and fortune………It could be. I hope so because I would hate to think that Casey had that much charisma that she could charm them into believing she didn’t kill Caylee. It’s so weird to me that so many seem to have forgotten Caylee. It’s as if she never existed.
So, Morgan, do you think that’s what Lee gave up for his immunity? I could see that. Maybe even more. Who told him?
Just thought I’d share that I have learned about “crime scene insects” from this case than the exhibit at the Museum of Natural History at UF…so, save your $6!
Another problem I have with the anti-DP crowd is most of them want to save the lives of murders, but are perfectly ok with even late term abortion.
Morgan/TM2
agree with both of you____I have no problem with people wanting to play devils advocate, but when their argument degenerates to complete and utter drivel, I call them out_that seems fair to me if you choose to participate in a blog
The Dutch one wont come out and admit she’s using this high profile case and blogs to promote either herself or her anti capital punishment and human rights agenda_and yes___ the total lack of interest in the victim is telling.
I dont believe in the DP for a whole host of reasons but anthony’s possible punishment in my opinion____ has nothing to do with her being CHARGED with this terrible crime. That was down to EVIDENCE and the conclusions of 19 grand jurors.
so if you want to discuss capital punishment__ be open about it__ dont try and take the proverbial p*ss and disguise it with twilight zone “what if” scenarios and evidence that never was.
As for anyone warming up to Casey, I don’t get it. I think she has a really high creepoid factor going for her. She doesn’t come across as warm and friendy to me at all. I think her “perky” up up up vibe would wear thin very quickly for anyone over the age of 13. IMO at least. And her cold eyes with her big clenched jaw baring too many teeth is kind of scary.
I think Casey told him, in her backwards sort of way. Either thru direct conversation prior to her arrest or thru their ‘code’ talk while she was in jail. He was working with D Casey to be a PI and I think he directed him there, trying to impress him with his PI skills.
From my understanding on the limited immunity, he has to take stand in the murder trial and cannot plead the 5th. So, if asked did Casey tell you where Caylee body is – he has to tell. Would he tell the truth – who knows?
On the letters, I didn’t put much stalk in the ones looking for fame. Bunch of kooks I think. George’s last letter was interesting as it was not signed, makes me wonder if there are more pages.
Of course its all speculation on my part.
Too many points to address but I’ll try. One, there were maggots in the trunk. Read it in the documents. Maggots are being tested, not blow flies. I think a scientist would know the difference between a maggot and a blow fly. I didn’t see one thing that said blow flies were being tested.
As disgusting as it sounds, maggots are sometimes used in determining time of death. In this case, if a body was in the trunk, its very possible maggots will have DNA of the victim. No results on the maggots yet.
As I said many, many times before. My feelings about the case are based of my initial gut feelings and lack of physical evidence. When Caylee was found, I jumped ship and I knew Casey was guilty. When all the FBI reports came back with nothing substantial, I had to back away AGAIN and look closer at whats going on in the background of KC life. It’s interesting. So I’m back to my gut feeling.
As for all of us, I’m sure there’s nothing I can say that will change anyone’s mind. I just like lively discussions with open minded people. Even if you have your mind made up, it doesn’t hurt to listen to the other side. I don’t mind it at all.
Outside of this case, I like most of the people here.
I kind of expect there were more pages than just the one in George’s letter. He signed all of his other letters.
JB, what are you expecting the maggots to indicate?
Just another loony idea of mine:
When watching Casey’s demeanor with detectives, she sure seems friendly. I get the feeling that she’s familiar with a few of them.
If she were my friend and I saw her flirting with a bunch of cops, I’d wonder if she’s an informant. Just my thought and another initial reaction.
Bees,
If the maggots are in the trunk, and hold any human decomp/dna, then that would be solid without doubt that there was a human body in the trunk. Caylee’s DNA?
Indisputable.
Morgan, D Casey was to have an Investigative Deposition in which Baez couldn’t attend. The State canceled it abruptly, imo, he possibly got FULL IMMUNITY in KC’s case as D Tennis has “concluded her work for D Casey,” IF, he hadn’t done the deposition, he would still need her.
jmo, we may NEVER see D Casey’s deposition, IF it is too prejudicial to KC’s case, it might be with held until trial, of course, Baez would have a copy of it.
It is also possible that the State didn’t do D Casey’s depo but when it takes a MOTION to force D Casey to do the investigative depo, Judge Strickland ADDING he would “be around if there were ANY problems,” indicated to me that the STATE “was done w/that dirtbag, I got a feeling they took it.! imo, he is one of the most interesting, creepiest, scumbags in a long list of characters in the case but he also has NO confidentiality with the Anthony’s & knows a wealth of information.
Thanks JB – But not all the FBI or Body Farm evidence is back. JB and MC keep bringing that up at hearings and is told…I cannot tell the FBI what to do, you need to contact them. Not sure that he has.
I totally agree to hearing the other side, however, evidence wouldn’t hurt to back it up. If I remember correctly the maggots were being tested by having the guts tested for DNA. Muesli put an interesting article up earlier: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11373008
Who is testing them FBI or Body Farm – anyone know?
Silverbullit and Finished, honestly I think it’s very premature to discuss the death penalty as she is not yet convicted and the DP not voted on. But if someone wants to discuss it, be upfront about it. And yes, bring something of substance to the table, other than “I think it’s wrong and the US is horrible to do this”.
Exactly, JB! That would prove she was there. Or, her corpse, I should say.
art, I completely agree about D. Casey. He’s sitting on some juicy evidence, I’m sure!
99% of me is Canadian pacifist but every once in a while that 1% will be okay with the Death Penalty. Ideally each case needs to be judged independantly. In this case I am undecided. I go back and forth.
Art – he sure is a strange character. Others not being released is Mallorys and Hawkins. 2 more I would like know what they know.
JB we do know that she dated 2 cops that no longer work there. Jesse quit and Anthony Rusciano was fired for lying about his relationship. When I watched that interview, I took her as trying to manipulate the situation to her advantage. Look at me, I’m so flirty and cute and I think you are too, I couldn’t possible hurt me child. But if you notice her face when they leave the room it is like stone and lots of anger in her eyes. JMO
jbmission said, on June 29, 2010 at 2:20 pm
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informant? _that’s interesting jb__ Id put it down to being a bit promiscuous myself and having often went down to see Jesse when he was training at the police academy_ that’s apparently how she met Rusciano
I agree maggots can be used to establish time of death and when I read Haskels report he DOES explain how he used them and other many variables to come to an approximate time of death.
yes maggots can also be used to detect barbituates and even human dna. not always
successful as the so called maggot stomach has to be intact.
so now at least I see where you were going with this _but not how its an “ace in the hole”__” case closed”
Thanks for the link, Bees. Going there now…
JB thans for your explanation on the maggots. I don’t see it as an a ce in the hole, though. Your gut tells you one thing, mine the other.
Along with the forensic evidence, circumstantial evidence will play a big part in the trial as well.
so true Linda
some like to use the word __circumstantial as though it diminishes a compelling case.
judicial history proves otherwise.
first thing a jury has to grapple with is why a mother wouldnt call 911 if her most precious posession was taken from her, then they have to get past the fact she made up not one but two stories about the abduction, next that the abductor has never been seen by man nor beast and the powers of LE, FBI and FDLE canot find her or any of the other many colorful characters interwoven in this case. then theres lying to police who were called to try and find this child and taking them on a mystery tour of an imaginery job, the fact that she conventiently lost a phone with all telephone numbers whooshed away. witnesses who never saw her search for her child. the stench and evidence in the car backed up by cadaver dogs and expert scientific witnesses, the extremely rare brand of henkel duct tape over the baby’s airways found on daddy’s gas can, the baby dumped close to home__in a lonely wooded swamp area when school was out and few people passed by….that suggests someone with knowledge of the area. What did this girl want a shovel for_ is cutting bamboo feesable? when she was sneaking back home for clothes and tyson chicken , the same whitney brand of laundry bag found in parents garage, down loaded “one tree hill” episode of where nanny abducts a child, computer searches for missing children sites, phone records that prove she lied about getting a call from Caylee on July 15th.
Juries need to find credability in the stories a defendant tells_ this girl has not talked to LE since July 16th 2008. Her baby was found over 18 months ago_dead.
why would an innocent person with a story to tell stay silent….Cindy’s protecting the family shinola will never fly for Casey Anthony. if miss anthony cant come up with some believable story that points to a SODDI who later put Caylee in her trunk and covered her with the same rare duct tape availabe at casa de anthony then imo CMA is in heep em bit sh*tem
and as gut feelings seem to be valid_let me indulge, just the once and suggest that the full computer forensics report has not been released to the public __as it falls into evidence too predudicial to her rights to a fair trial. My gut spoke to me lol, when Ashton said at one of the hearings — in 30 years he has never seen a case where a mother premeditatedly murdered her child in absence of some type of mental illness. I think the State have more evidence that she long wished to be rid of Caylee.jmo
Exactly, Bees! That would prove she was not there. Or, her corpse, I should say.
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For some reason these results haven’t been released. Very interesting.
Bees,
Not to say anything is wrong with Hinky’s or Maura. I know she’s a walking encyclopedia but I’d give more credit to Websleuths. They are alot of people with a lot of time on their hands to research. All I can do is basic logical investigations.
So thanks Bees and no thanks. I think I know where to find my information. It’s really easy. For some reason you take it as I don’t know facts? That’s a huge assumption on your part, but assumptions do come easy for some, I must say.
You know what they say about ASSUME?
If I were on the jury, I would grapple with 31 days of not reporting her daughter missing. But then I’d have a big problem with unknown DNA. It’s tragic that there’s no cause of death, no time of death, nothing tying Casey to the crimescene (not one hair). Then I have to look at the rules. I’d have to think is this BEYOND a reasonable doubt, and I’d say “no”.
finishedLurking said;
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My gut spoke to me lol, when Ashton said at one of the hearings — in 30 years he has never seen a case where a mother premeditatedly murdered her child in absence of some type of mental illness. I think the State have more evidence that she long wished to be rid of Caylee.jmo
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Contrary to what you believe: and as My gut feeling is valid_let me indulge, as ALWAYS and TELL you that the full computer forensics report has not been released to the public __as it falls in the category of compelling information that leans in favor of the defendant.
I need to ask. Since when does a prosecutor hold back anything especially when the case they are trying is Murder w/DP?? Please…its laughable and how DARE you say anything about a GUT feeling. If you are a woman with children, you should definitely have GUT feelings. If you don’t, then you are not HUMAN.
Nicely done, Beast. And pass it along to the other good’uns, when you can.
So thanks Bees and no thanks. I think I know where to find my information. It’s really easy. For some reason you take it as I don’t know facts? That’s a huge assumption on your part, but assumptions do come easy for some, I must say.
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You misunderstand me, JB. I didn’t say you should read Val’s information. I said, “Have you ran your theories past the brainiacs at Hinky’s?” I thought you might get some feedback from them as you don’t seem to be making any progress here. You say you know the facts but people have been asking you for days to back up what you’re saying and as far as I know, you haven’t yet. If you have, then I’ve missed it. If you’re basing your theories on your gut feeling instead of facts, I have no interest.
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finished, I agree. At what point would you need to make it to to know she was guilty? I think for me it would be after the 31 days, Cindy’s 911 calls and the first 24 hours the cops spent with Casey. At that point I would think she killed her or at least knew who did. All the rest would be gravy!
So JBM, if I understand your theory, you believe that given the state has not announced that the maggot stomach contents contained Caylee’s dna, she was not in the trunk? I do not remember any release of the content of the maggot or blowfly stomach content. Also the life cycle of a blowfly/maggot (same creature, different stage like a cocoon and a butterfly) is approximately one week. Given that the maggots/blowflies were recovered almost a month after Caylee theoretically was removed from the trunk, we have 3-4 generations of maggots/blowflies. I admittedly am not an entomologist, but I do not think that the dna of the cow that my great, great grandmother would still be found in my stomach contents. I don’t see your point.
I don’t believe anything relating to this case unless Val or Maura says it’s true. The Hinky Meter is the Calyee Anthony bible as far as I am concerned. That’s just me though.
You are not funny or cute JB, grow up. Caylee deserves Justice and people like you make me sick.
Hey BEES KNEES, I just finished reading the transcript of CA’s Boss. imo, it’s really sad when CA’s boss suggested that she get custody of Caylee, CA replied, “WHERE WOULD I GET THE MONEY TO PAY THE SITTER?” JEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ! It sounds like CA was pretty miserable & KC compounded her problems on a daily basis. imo, it wouldn’t be difficult to get custody of Caylee, but on top of everything CA was paying for, she would have in addition to have to pay a Day Care for Caylee as CA had a full time job. The Anthony’s couldn’t even afford to pay a sitter.
This whole family environment is just screwy, GA didn’t think KC had a job but did CA? What in the HELL did CA think was going on, or did she choose not to deal with it? If CA thought KC had a job, why did CA think KC NEEDED to continue to steal money?
CA was screaming at GA on the telephone from her job “We have to go get the God Damn Car!” CA again asks her boss, WHERE WILL GET THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THAT? Gosh, the Anthony’s were so strapped for money, & KC continually robbing them blind, is just unbelievable, hard to understand why it was allowed to go on. CA KNEW KC wasn’t capable of paying an apartment & supporting Caylee, but she CHOSE not to STOP KC & hold her responsible for her behavior, sadly, even in her letters to KC she still blames Ashton/Burdick for making KC look bad in the Fraud Case, NOT that CA’s lying, murdering daughter, scammed her best friend & AMY was holding KC responsible, something the Anthony’s NEVER did. I just wonder if there was ever much happiness in the Anthony home, I know Caylee seemed to bring GA/CA happiness, but the constant drama KC created is overwhelming just to read about.
I truly wonder WHAT the Anthony’s would think is a fair punishment for KC? I get the impression that would be happy to have her come home & just forget about JUSTICE for Caylee. The dynamics of this family/household seemed miserable on a good day, jmo.
Sunny, that Val Hal has a real passion when explaining the details in this case & I too appreciate it. She is a GODDESS, she’s my “go to girl ” when I don’t understand some of the Science!
Art tart: That is the impression I get also. I think they have already forgotten Caylee… they just want casey free at all costs. That is so sad. I do understand they don’t want her to die and I guess, truthfully, I would find that an unbearable consequence. The DP even bothers me …even for casey. But I don’t think the anthonys even think she should serve time for the crime she has committed!
wow JB___ you do seem to have a knack at getting the wrong end of the stick, I was not attacking your right to gut feelings __if you understood it that way I apologize . I thought I made it clear I was indulging in one of my own and that it was a one time deal. lol
However__ I have to say__ I think you are rather fanciful with your gut feelings __you seem to use them exclusively when touting this girl’s innocence. and in your last post to me you seem to claim them as factual.
JB said:
” Since when does a prosecutor hold back anything especially when the case they are trying is a Murder w/DP.” its laughable.
Sorry___ this is the confusing bit___ are you NOW stating this ^^ as your belief cos if so___ we are in agreement. Right! reciprocal discovery__ why then did you claim today that no information had been released re maggots and imply that the prosecution was withholding evidence ___which would effectively be the defense’s “ace in the hole,” ” case closed” ?
I said I had a gut feeling about the computer forensic report___ . Its a feeling/opinion
after reading various responses to defense DP motions and Ashtons remarks in court
that the State’s MAIN aggrevator is premeditation, and I think the computer forensic report might have some daming information, hence it has not been released to the public. the sunshine laws make provision for withholding this type of evidence from the public if the defendant’s 6th amendment rights are threatened. I dont claim I’m right….unlike you__.see the distinction?
We know Baez and Co have the complete computer report as in court it was stated, all he was missing was the technician’s notes..If there was anything exculpatory in it, wouldnt this defense have made it public and used it in at least some of their prolific and numerous motions.
Yes Im a mother jb and human,however, I dont need my gut to tell me that a cat would be a better mother than Casey Anthony and that if her lips are moving she’s lying.
JB – I don’t get it. You come in and drop a comment about maggots and an ace in the the hole for the defense. This starts a friendly conversation among all which was a great change. If you read the comments the maggots were discussed along with possible drug deal / dealers.
Gut feeling and intuition are basic instincts. Your gut tells you that since the reports aren’t back yet then the States has nothing. You may be right, however logic says, since that aren’t back yet, we really don’t know. My gut tells me the State has their poop (not the decomp kind) together.
You seem to think this is a big conspiracy against the Anthony’s. It’s not that complicated. It’s about getting thru the lies and getting to the truth. I could list the lies – but after all this time, I think we all have them memorized by now.
“If you are a woman with children, you should definitely have GUT feelings. If you don’t, then you are not HUMAN.” Seriously was that called for? You are guilty of what you have been accusing people for months, having a 1-sided opinion. That’s fine as it is your right.
I thought Bees gave you a great suggestion. But know i see that you couldn’t handle Val or Blink debated your ‘gut’ feelings anymore than you could here.
Casey’s destiny is pretty laid out for her. I don’t believe she will ever get out of jail. You believe she will. I can agree to disagree and time will tell. Some will be disappointed in May 2011 but I don’t think it will be you or me, it will be the Anthony’s. Our lives will go on, theirs won’t.
Wow — back reading posts…… seems as if there’s a turn about re: JB —- Oh, and is she a “she” —- no reason, just curious —-
Morgan, I agree with your comment, the murder of Caylee, wasn’t that complicated, the murderer, imo, wasn’t that smart. In fact, the STATE will prove to KC & her defense team just how stupid she was to think she could lie her way out of murdering her child. I can’t wait for May 2011, then hopefully, after the trial, the ANTHONY’s will SHUT UP & KC will join the ranks of Susan Smith, Diane Downs, Scott Peterson & fade away from the news outlets. Caylee deserves Justice & imo, the State will deliver it.
So much for gut feelings. Just got a heads up over at Humbleopinion from Smoke&Mirrors that the Sentinel is reporting that Andrea Lyon has resigned from the case. Now, that is a fact. I am truly surprised. Wonder who’s next. Where’s Mrs. Baden lately?
DEATH PENALTY EXPERT ANDREA LYONS LEAVES KC’S DEFENSE TEAM!elated
Attorney Jose Baez confirmed today that Lyon has left the defense because of financial issues. He filed paperwork with the Orange County Clerk of Court’s office late today reflecting Lyon’s departure.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-andrea-lyon-20100630,0,2682343.story
jmo, KC BOUGHT herself a 3 year attorney for $275,000.00 & for her money she got a LOT OF failed MOTIONS! He paid himself handsomely! NOW a COMPETENT experienced Death Qualified Attorney has left due to Financial reasons is ridiculous!
WHY should Lyon’s have to pay her own air fare, her own secretairial, etc, the ONLY person that HAS MADE MONEY is the MOST INCOMPETENT Attorney on the Team, BAEZ! KC, you didn’t get much for $275,000.00 & if your planning on C Mason SAVING your sorry butt, YOUR iin BIG TROUBLE! This WON’T be lost on B Conway NOR the Anthony’s!!
Andrea Lyons has resigned from the case.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-andrea-lyon-20100630,0,2682343.story
The rats are starting to jump ship.
EEEEEEZ! There is NO law against being STUPID & NOT Knowing when to shut your mouth.
C Mason said we wouldn’t see a difference in the way the Defense Team Operates.
http://www.wesh.com/news/24101457/detail.html
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2010/june/115783/One-of-Casey%E2%80%99s-lawyers-quits-case
Art: and I agree with c mason…we won’t see a difference, they will still be incompetent!
Wow…I had a feeling Lyon would leave the team, but IMO, it’s not so much because of the financial issue, I believe she doesn’t want to taint her sparkling win record.
The baby is home from the hospital after 2 days there, and is feeling much better. Thanks for all the warm wishes for her speedy recovery.
Hello everyone,
So it seems Andrea Lyon has left the defense team. Seems to me, Casey will not be taking a plea deal as so many have hoped. No need for Ms. Lyon.
It looks like she’s going all the way. What do you guys make of this?
Long day at work today…Retirement age should be lowered to 50 lol.
Yo Hola – I haven’t turned on anyone who has an opinion, I think my frustration level had peaked….thinking lots of booze will cure that
Art – TY. Ya know it is what it is.
Question for all – Why is Baez being labeled as the Lead Attorney? Like it or not, this is a DP Case and he is not a DP attorney.
OK another question – Are we really surprised A Lyon left? The writing was on the wall once C Mason (Death qualified) came on board. And when is the last A Lyon even visited Casey in jail? Yeah that was 2 but who is counting?
Hope everyone is having a great night.
Mix – I agree. I think she knows the DP is a very real factor. OT – Am glad to hear your baby is doing better.
JBM, I don’t know about her not making a deal, considering Masons opinion of the case prior to becoming involved in it, he may push for that .
theJBmission said, on June 30, 2010 at 7:23 pm
JB I take it has A Lyon’s doesn’t want a loss check on her record.
jb mission, I don’t know anyone that wants a PLEA in this case. Most of us WANT to hear all the evidence the STATE has, see ALL the dots connected to hear exactly how little Caylee was murdered. A PLEA would deny us this, but a PLEA would SAVE FACE for this disconnected defense team still searching for ANYONE to blame this on & would spare KC’s lie. I don’t care what the Jury gives KC, it is their decision & KC won’t be leaving prison possibly for the rest of her life. .
Many of us have said on this site plenty of times that it is hard to believe that KC isn’t going to beg for a PLEA, at least that way she might just get LWOP. The Defense would have to BEG the STATE for a plea. Ashton SHUT DOWN KC’s lying about “the STATE was JUST MAD that she wouldn’t take a PLEA!” Ashton was furious was the LIE, & Ashton MADE IT CLEAR IN COURT there was NO PLEA EVER OFFERED by the STATE to KC Anthony!” Phantom Zanny, Phantom Jobs, Phantom friends with children, Phantom Plea! Ashton & Burdick, imo, would MAKE this defense BEG for a plea, & they still DON’T have to grant them one. imo.
Morgan, legally he can’t Lead a DP case, he isn’t qualified. When the Media referred to him as “Lead Attorney,” I think they use it in the sense of “Spokesperson, he was the original attorney on the case & when the STATE put the DP back on the table, instead of stepping down, he continued to stay but the DP Attorney is Lead Counsel for Legal Aspects.” Baez was lead MOUTH PIECE today commenting on Lyon’s but of course, there is NO muzzlling C Masoin, he chimed in. Baez is LEAD MOUTH PIECE!C Mason is NOW the Lead Attorney as he is DP qualified. If you recall, in the beginning of the case, Baez had to bring on T Lenamon to WRITE a Brief on the DP as Baez couldn’t even do that.
I bet the Anthony’s are upset, Masoin’s obvious confusion, inability to look up a brief that he is trying to site to Judge P & whined for Judge P to have pity on an old man. jmo, Masoin has seen better days, sharper days perhaps, times he was on top of his game. My prediction is that the Defense will continue to SHOWBOAT & bilk the media, then closer to trial, ask for a PLEA unless KC refuses.
The Anthony’s NEED to check C Mason’s record & see how many client’s he has sitting on death row. In most of those cases, he was paid, he is being paid nothing in the case, he is “just in it for FUN!” PUKE!
Ina said on June 29, 2010 at 10:17 am
If it was from Tony’s appt. it should have been in the old paper waste bin. For recycling.l
lol art sounds like a greasy diet. Casey was too thin to eat many pizza’s and burgers… I used to think she was a bit anorexic even.
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Ina,
The garbage found in the trunk did come from Tony’s apartment. There were receipts in the garbage dated from May 24,2008. Someone who listed the contents trash in the bag left this part out. Naturally Casey isn’t carrying garbage in her trunk to later attract maggots and decomp odor to baffle the FBI. That’s just silly. I guess I’m not the only one who can be silly. At least not that silly.
Being a person who plays the tape in my mind’s eye, I can picture a neat freak Casey, or as some would describe her, a sycophant trying to gain acceptance, she offered to take the trash to the dumpster on her way out. I can picture her cell phone buzzing with a text message and she forgot to drop it off. She’s busy on the phone as explained by her phone records.
I would think in the Florida heat, the maggots or at least the fly eggs were already there before the proposed date of June 17th. After feasting on the trash contents, they would find human remains if it existed. IF it existed and Caylee’s dNA was found or at least human decomp, I would finally agree there’s a good piece of physical evidence.
Ina, Casey may have been anorexic. So many young girls are these days. I was so skinny when I was her age. I weighed 98lbs. I prayed to get into triple digits…lol
Oh the good ole days…
I can take Lyon’s departure two ways. One, she’s not needed since Cheney Mason has joined the team. Mason might not be a team player anyway since he’s mostly worked solo his entire “impeccable” career. To say anything else about Mr. Cheney Mason is silly. Do some research and he’s no slacker. Enough said.
Morgan:
I see Andrea Lyon as a woman on a mission against the death penalty. She’s like the Sister Prejean of the legal eagles. Saying this, I don’t think it’s a numbers game to her. JMO.
And the wheels on the bus go round and round, all the way to town!!
JBM: Receipt dated May 24 doesn’t mean garbage was from May 24. I frequently hold onto a receipt until I can enter it into my accounting program or download it from my bank and then it gets thrown away. And please, really? casey a neat freak? R U kidding me? cindy, yeah, but not casey. Did you hear the description of her car? Shoes in there, clothes in there, garbage in there? Why in the world would you think princess poopy pants is a neat freak?
After the maggots feed on the trash they move up to 100 feet away (that’s how they infest your carpet) and then morph into blowflies. Life cycle is about one week. They had lived in the trunk for 4 generations feeding on something and I am pretty sure a pizza BOX wasn’t going to do it.
lyons quit because she does not want a loss on her record.
I remember during the OJ trial there was alot of hoopla going on with the defense lawyers too. Remember OJ’s friend Kardashian? He left the team too once the big named lawyers joined the team. Lyon felt she wasn’t needed, I guess. We shall see.
I’m sure there’s more to come after July 15th.
Hi Frankie,
I agree, May 24th isn’t the exact date, but it is a starting point. She met Tony on May 24th too. I believe it was Clint House who recognized the trash from that time period. Yes, I agree nothing is written in stone. How can you not think Casey wouldn’t at least but on a good front for her boyfriend to be and LOOK like she’s neat. Women do this. I cooked for my first husband alot until after we got married. lol, Everyone knows the best way to a man’s heart is thru his stomach.
I give in and say she PRETENDED to give a rat’s behind about the trash in the house, if that makes a difference. In any case, I’ll not back away from WHAT I BELIEVE was her intention which was to PUT the garbage in the dumpster. Why do you think she took Tony’s trash?
If the maggots are in the trunk, how do they travel 100 feet? I don’t understand your point. They can’t travel 100 feet because they are “in the trunk”.
The only time I’ve seen in documented proof that she opened her trunk was on June 24th when she gave George back his gas cans. It’s possible she opened her trunk on June 22nd when she and Tony broke into the shed. I don’t think she opened the trunk then because Tony says he didn’t smell anything on June 22nd but that’s a new subject.
Not that it’s really important but it is what comes to mind when when someone says she was taking Tony’s trash to the dumpster.
Most people in Apt complexes that I know who live a fair distance from the dumpters put the bag(s) on the hood or trunk of the car and drop it off on their way out of the complex….I don’t know anyone who puts household garbage in their cars.
See? Told ya it wasn’t important. LOL
<—–*scratching my head*
Isn't that what I said? A whole lot about nuthin.
theJBmission said, on June 30, 2010 at 10:33 pm A whole lot about nuthin
Explain please.
I think she put the trash in the trunk in an attempt to disguise the odor that was already in there…you know, the dead squirrel?
I just keep going on and on about maggots because I am still confused about your effort to make casey innocent because we have not seen the results on the maggot stomach content. I thought if I typed nonsense long enough, you might get frustrated and explain WTH you were talking about.
T2M: I would think she would just put it on the hood or trunk as well. Who puts stinky old garbage in the trunk and then closes the trunk and forgets it? How far was it to the dumpster? She liked to hike so much, why didn’t she just walk it over to the dumpster or have Tony take it in his JEEP?????
JBM: They can travel UP TO 100′. I am still waiting for you to explain how you expect 4th generation maggots to have DNA from 1st generation dining in the little tummies?
I am off to deamland….JBM: I am counting on you explaining the maggot thing tomorrow!
Nite t2m
frankie, maybe they pass stomach contents from generation to generation like we do traditions?
LMAO, I do believe you are in for a loooong wait.
Well, I have asked several times and it still is rather cryptic or I am rather dense one or the other, but I still don’t get it!
LOL and I went to a lot of trouble to find info on the blowfly/maggot life cycle and everyone ignored it!
Darn…now I sound all whiny like jose! I’m going to bed or I’ll be grumpy and old and forget things like c mason. LOL
Theres the problem frankie, facts don’t support the theory, I just HATE when that happens.
Night, maybe the answers you seek will come to you in a dream.
Lyon had to see she was in trouble on this case, for all her “I am here to save the day hero bit” she wasn’t having any success with this case.
Every single one of her motions to remove the death penalty were struck down, and pretty much laughed at.
Her ego was taking a pounding, that big ol brain she claims to have could not come up with one motion that could pass muster.
She was not about to allow Casey Anthony to upset her so called perfect record.
Honestly, it will not surprise me to see Mason walk too.
judypc said, on June 30, 2010 at 11:25 pm Lyon had to see she was in trouble on this case, for all her “I am here to save the day hero bit”
She couldn’t find just the right cape, you have NO idea just how important the right cape is!
That and her students screwed up on every motion , she must have been teaching the remedial class.
Man-O-Man do the Anthony’s go thru Attorneys…
Baez is too cheap to share his $200,000+ fee with anyone else, won’t even help with airfare…Greedy, greedy…So much for believing in your client, no matter the cost.
Casey paid Baez alot of money just to be Mason’s note taker, and it’s only going to be a short time before Mason’s ego will decide that if he’s the lead attorney, that “He” should be doing all the “Media”…Just wait…
I guess Lyon’s couldn’t take Mason replacing her as the “Media Eye-Candy” for the Defense.
Is this a defense ploy?
For months the defense has complained that they don’t have the money…They wanted to know what and how much the state would pay for…They wanted $$$ Amounts.
So now when they lose (not if, but when) they’ll file an appeal because Casey couldn’t get a fair Trial due to the “lack” of funds, That the state was unfair by with-holding funds and not allowing Casey & Co. to spend at will, to raid the taxpayers coffers like it was Grandma’s and Grandpa’s bank account…Just wait.
Ina said, on June 29, 2010 at 7:20 am
Anyway: If every person would be convicted for murder because maggots being found in their car trunk , there would be millions of people in prison or death row. jmo.
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Your kidding aren’t you????
EGADS women, you really believe MILLIONS of people are driving around with maggot infested autos.
Thats just freakin Bizarre!!
Does anyone truly buy this sh*t excuse from Baez?. Lyon is either too egotistical to take a loss on her so called perfect record or there is serious trouble in the ranks.
Ofcourse she normally only has to convince one juror, in Florida it increases 6 fold.
Im sure Baez too has lost boyish enthusiasm since the gravy train stopped at station Indigent and the nanny STILL doesnt exist.
And we to believe Muffin will take this in her stride. On the contrary, she must be devastated …….her substitute mother figure just doesnt think she’s worth it?.
The self proclaimed “angel of death row” who worked on this case for for over a year, rasied money for her defense fund, put her students and PI to work and recommended the mitigation expert decides to take a powder.
And the timing is just dandy, just as the DP motion work was complete. Lyon it seems, can’t afford one last trip to Orlando for the max 5 day penalty phase hearing where she would do “her thing”.
It seems the State of Florida wanting to “Kill her client” no longer resonates with this tireless advocate of the poor. So she decides to abandon Anthony to the hands of a befuddled senior citizen /hasbeen who got her best chance of escaping the DP to recuse himself from the case. Lyon must have been tickled when they announced that plan. Mason also has 3 former clients sitting on death row.
Anyhow, Judge Perry can now have his May 2nd trial date.
Well I was also counitng the people who where ACCUSED of having maggots in the car lol.
JB: She proabably was not a very good housewife, as she was not used to keeping a house clean. Her mother probaby did that? She may not have thought about the fact that trash would decompose in the car and start smelling if she put it there. She must have wanted to get rid of it somewhere? I suppose she needed to clean up Tony’s appt. for some reason? Could the reason be the murder? How suspicioulsly clean was his appt. when the police took a look ? (They did take a look I presume?)
JB: you stopped cooking for your husband when you were married?.
So you got a very thin husband?
Doug:I think an appeal is always automatically granted in dp cases. So the defense won’t need the lack of money as a reason. (I could be wrong, but I read this about the appeal on this blog)
I see I was typoing, but hey it is early in the day
frankie
your point about the lifecycle and digestive habits of the maggot is not lost on ALL LOL
Dr Haskell stated there was sufficient “decompositional material” in the trunk, sadly he was referring to little Caylee and NOT that tired old__ beat that dead horse intellectually barren trashbag theory.
now_ whose theory dya think a jury would lean toward?___ a world renowned forensic entomologist or a housewife with more gut feelings than pepto bismal?? hmm_tough one
btw__ someone ought to go and read what Lee said in his interview with LE about
his neatfreak sister. she might not be neat but she sure is a fr***
“The self proclaimed “angel of death row” who worked on this case for for over a year, rasied money for her defense fund, put her students and PI to work and recommended the mitigation expert decides to take a powder. And the timing is just dandy, just as the DP motion work was complete. Lyon it seems, can’t afford one last trip to Orlando for the max 5 day penalty phase hearing where she would do “her thing”.
It seems the State of Florida wanting to “Kill her client” no longer resonates with this tireless advocate of the poor. So she decides to abandon Anthony.”
Interesting. I wonder if she may be in a little hot water for using $70,000 of her clinic’s (DePaul University Death Penalty Clinic) funding, student resources and money obtained through fund raising for indigent clients in Depaul University’s name, for a woman who had a quarter of a million dollars to pay for her defense. Hardly indigent.
She’s not checking her voice mail. She didn’t make her own statement on withdrawing from a very public death penalty case that she has shouted from the roof tops is not a valid death penalty case. She left it for Baez to speak “for her”. Weird.
JBM: They can travel UP TO 100′. I am still waiting for you to explain how you expect 4th generation maggots to have DNA from 1st generation dining in the little tummies?
Frankie, Frankie, Frankie, cmon,
You’re asking me a question as IF you already Know the answer to what’s in the maggot’s tummies, when the REPORT has NOT been released. If the report comes back without human remains in the maggots tummies then ALL BETS are off which proves nothing.
We DO NOT know what’s in the maggot’s little tummies, DO WE???
oops. But if they come back with human remains in their tummies, NOW WHAT??
According to you, that means human remains were in the trunk closer to July 15th and NOT on June 16-17 as so many claim to KNOW.
Yes, I’m waiting for the maggot report. But for whatever reason, they are not being released. Makes me kinda wonder..hmmm.
Hang in there Frankie.
now_ whose theory dya think a jury would lean toward?___ a world renowned forensic entomologist or a housewife with more gut feelings than pepto bismal?? hmm_tough one
Thanks Lurking One.
It’s these types of digs that make this an ugly discussion. So please don’t cry to one another when I get snarky too. I’ll be sure not to apologize. Now maybe you should stay out of my kool aid because from here on out no more nicey nice from me.
It’s laughable to me that you think @ trial there will be zero arguments from entomologists from the defense and not a housewife like you or like one you THINK I am. You are kidding yourself. Paleeezzzz.
I have no idea of who you are but what I do have a gut feeling about is YOU are nothing more than a Jombe de clique clique as my Cajun Coon Ass Gramma would say.
Furthermore, it seems I’m not the only one who thinks Casey MAY be innocent. I find it funny that some people think its odd. I was horrified by the letters of pure D Hatred coming from the so-called Justice For Caylee Camp. Those people were lunatics. After reading the trash those people took time to write and mail, I’m proud to be on the opposite end. Very, very PROUD. I’m surprised all of the good people who Hate the Anthony’s didn’t take note of that. I guess they condone that sort of behavior. I don’t and NEVER will. tyvm.
Ina,
I don’t think I’ve ever typed the word “maggots” in my life up until now. It’s like beating a dead horse. They can’t give an inch and in doing so, it makes them seem ignorant.
All I said was “Casey had trash in her trunk because she planned on dropping it off at the dumpster” Oh well. But it’s not good enough. If I’d stated “”she purposely put the trash in her trunk on or about May 24th because she planned on killing Caylee all along and figured she’d need it to throw off the smell of decomp because she planned to kill her on June 17th”" Well, that would have been an EXCELLENT COMMENT.
I’m amazed by the mentality of some people. I can imagine what it’s been like for you all this time.
Hang in there Ina. You’re not the only one here that’s not an American. You have just as much right to comment as any of us.
JB’s Mission you are a piece of work. This is your comeback when people question your asinine claims. You talk about your unfounded gut feelings and say people are “Nothing more than a Jombe de clique clique as my Cajun Coon Ass Gramma would say”. Are you serious?
I had your number a long time ago and I called you on it. Now most of those who sided with you have seen and heard and digested what you are. You and your darn maggots. Does the defense plan on calling you as an expert?
Nosy Parker,
I sure as he** hope NOT! So you have me figured huh? Are you stalking me?? You haven’t played that card yet. Are you a stalker??
Why are you trying to figure me out? Please tell me.
Ina said:
JB: you stopped cooking for your husband when you were married?.
So you got a very thin husband?
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Ina, that was for my 1st husband. The point I was trying to make was they say Casey was a “man pleaser” so why wouldn’t she want to please and clean up the place. Thus, that’s why she would take out the trash. Duh..
Didn’t Tony and Clint say she cooked and cleaned all the time. Some peeps can’t keep their own theories and opinions straight but they want me to post mine. I don’t think so…lol
BTW, The 2nd one loves my cooking. (wink)
lol JB.
If Casey was so domestic, that doesn’t add up to her being so much of a party girl. I wonder how complicated she really is?
JB: the fun of learning about the law system and how people think, make up for the insults and such. I am hanging, I will stay hanging like an apple on the tree of wisdom.
Does that make me fruit of the doom?
BTW: Why is Tony never mentioned as a possible aid/culprit? I know the defense can’t use him, as it would imply Casey’s involvement, but the prosecution pretty much leaves hinm alone too I think?
theJBmission said, on July 1, 2010 at 2:55 am
Thanks Lurking One.
It’s these types of digs that make this an ugly discussion. So please don’t cry to one another when I get snarky too. I’ll be sure not to apologize. Now maybe you should stay out of my kool aid because from here on out no more nicey nice from me.
It’s laughable to me that you think @ trial there will be zero arguments from entomologists from the defense and not a housewife like you or like one you THINK I am. You are kidding yourself. Paleeezzzz.
I have no idea of who you are but what I do have a gut feeling about is YOU are nothing more than a Jombe de clique clique as my Cajun Coon Ass Gramma would say.
Furthermore, it seems I’m not the only one who thinks Casey MAY be innocent. I find it funny that some people think its odd. I was horrified by the letters of pure D Hatred coming from the so-called Justice For Caylee Camp. Those people were lunatics. After reading the trash those people took time to write and mail, I’m proud to be on the opposite end. Very, very PROUD. I’m surprised all of the good people who Hate the Anthony’s didn’t take note of that. I guess they condone that sort of behavior. I don’t and NEVER will. tyvm.
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the “dig” I consider to be a mild one and not without humour as opposed to being accused by you of NOT BEING HUMAN if I was a MOTHER who didnt have gut feelings.
The old adage jb__ if you cant take it__ dont dish it out. Im sure your old gramma told you that one too. As for your “Furthermore” rant I’m baffled as I have never commented on he weird and wonderful group that write to anthony at the jail but hey_ guess you just needed to vent!
Now back to the case___Yes the defense has an entomologist _yes ofcourse he MAY testify IF he comes to a different conclusion to Dr Neil Haskel and the jury will decide whom they find more persuasive. However, given he is Dr Timothy Huntington who trained under Dr Neil Haskel, I’d find it strange if his findings were that very far removed from his former teacher’s. but one things’ certain the housewife’s choice wont get a lookin in a court of law. that was the point.
But there could be another problem __because ___although Huntington was retained way back in December 2008, __as of the recent JAC hearings, it seems he had yet to examine ANYTHING ,.not a car trunk lining, leg of a blow fly, maggot
nup__nada, niente ,zero zilch
it seems Baez was too busy drafting motions rather than getting his experts down to their business. Wonder if paying them had anything to do with his thought process. Anyhow hope Baez’ sloth and obvious departure from common sense doesnt now prevent Huntington from replicating Haskel’s experiments some 18 months after he would have liked.
Ah Baez __to the State he must seem like the gift that keeps on giving. ts
Care to share a fact or two that suggests Anthony is indeed innocent?
cmon_ dare you
There will always be people that deal in fantasy rather than reality. They continually attack and belittle others while offering little to no evidence or opinion as to why they take the stand they do. Just like a troll, living under the bridge hating everyone but never admitting that he hates it there and move out in to the sunlight. Misery loves company. They are lonely..Just wave and watch them breeze by.
WOW, just read the news about Andrea Lyon. Mr. Schaeffer hit the nail on the head.
Like we don’t know they are ALL in it for the exposure/fame/celebrity of the case. They could care less that she is guilty.
Gonna try to read all the comments from yesterday/last night. But gotta get ready to head to the Jersey Shore. Going to be a beautiful day in NY/NJ.
Lurking One,
Last I read Baez doesn’t have to pay anyone. Last I read the taxpayers of Florida are picking up the tab. Go figure? Haskel’s testimony will be countered regardless. Last I read, Oakridge will be deposed by mid-July. Last I read, the trial doesn’t start until May 2011. Seems like way enough time to me. I haven’t read any complaints coming from Judge Perry. So if the blogging community isn’t satisfied with Baez, I guess it’s just too bad, isn’t it?
You considered your dig mild because I said you weren’t human? Obviously, you are a robot because you haven’t made any references as to how you feel about anything. All you’ve based your own opinion of what you consider facts. It’s not my facts until it is entered into a court of law. That’s the way I roll.
I also consider myself a good judge of character. I depend on this judgement everyday of my life. I’m not about to change something that has worked well for me so far. BTW, did I mention I predicted OJ Simpson would be found not guilty. I did. My reason? For me to believe OJ was guilty, I’d have to believe he would knock on the door with the intent of killing his wife while knowing his children were in the house. If that was the case, I’d have to believe he would have killed his children too. I didn’t believe OJ would kill his children. It was that simple for me. No I wasn’t popular but I was right.
Although I say I have gut feelings, just like you, I base my feelings on fact. Facts that I choose to use, just like you. Facts you can abandon one day and come back to the next. It depends.
That’s why no one wanted to agree with me that Casey was a “man pleaser” in this last round about maggots and trash in the trunk. Other days, it’s all about what Jesse’s statement. She was a chameleon. Again, whatever fits. I’m not a chameleon.
Care to share anything about yourself?
You seem like a person who belittles housewives? I wonder why? Are you divorced or left at the altar? Are you unable to have children? What’s wrong with being a housewife? I’m curious. And I dare you to tell me.
theJBmission said, on June 30, 2010 at 9:41 pm
You just blew Cindy’s “Pizza Theory” right out of the water. If the garbage is from May 24, her statement as to “you know how hot it’s been these last two/few weeks ” referrring to the “smell” in the car. LOL!
Aslo, are you saying if there WAS pizza in the garbage that the maggots ate it all?
LindaNewYork said, aka Lanceman —-r u still here? Gee, when I was a New Yorker — never went toteh Jersey shore —only LI beaches……
Ina said:
JB: the fun of learning about the law system and how people think, make up for the insults and such. I am hanging, I will stay hanging like an apple on the tree of wisdom.
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That’s great Ina. If this crime had taken place in the Netherlands, I’d have questions too and I’d hope to find people who would help me understand.
So far you’ve been more than kind to everyone. Good 4 you.
Hi Yo Hola,
Were the Long Island beaches nice? I bet they’re lovely. Nice clean and clean huh?
lol
JB — yes —- more than nice and clean—- FREE —- not like the Jersey Shore beaches!
theJBmission said, on June 30, 2010 at 9:41 pm
You just blew Cindy’s “Pizza Theory” right out of the water. If the garbage is from May 24, her statement as to “you know how hot it’s been these last two/few weeks ” referrring to the “smell” in the car. LOL!
Aslo, are you saying if there WAS pizza in the garbage that the maggots ate it all?
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Linda,
Maggots? I’m not the expert, Thank God! Ask Frankie. She says they have 4 generations of maggot life. I refuse to google maggots. I’ll say it’s like maggots to blow flies to regular flies. Maybe there’s a stage I’m missing.
May 24 to June 24 = 1 month
June 24 to July 24 = 2 months
so what’s that? 2 weeks of life per generation. Check it out. I don’t know and I don’t care. “My” fact remains the same. The trash could have gone back as far as May 24th which is only 6 weeks to July 15th.
Ina said:
BTW: Why is Tony never mentioned as a possible aid/culprit? I know the defense can’t use him, as it would imply Casey’s involvement, but the prosecution pretty much leaves hinm alone too I think?
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I’m not sure why Tony wasn’t taken in on the night of July 15th. Usually, the boyfriend or last person with the probable suspect would be questioned immediately.
I first thought that if LE felt Casey was just hiding Caylee from her mother but that can’t be true because everyone Cindy, George and the officers called to the house all agreed the call smelled like decomp. They had to be thinking something terrible happened to Caylee so why wouldn’t they bring Tony and Casey in for questioning and tow the car immediately??? That’s a good question.
This is why I don’t know what to believe when it comes to the odor from the car. How real was it?
Hi Yo Hola. It’s funny you should say that. I grew up in the Bronx, and when I was kid the family ALWAYS went to Long Island beaches. Living in the county next to Bergen County, NJ. it is an easier ride from where I live. You NEVER want to go on the Long Island Expressway in the summer OR anytime for that matter, unless you absolutely have to .LOL
And by the way, Yo Hola. I answered you anyway even though I caught your sarcasm.
Lanceman? WTH is that.
Jersey Shore Beaches are Fine and Clean JB. And in case you don’t know..which apparently you do not, there is a charge to go on ALL beaches on Long Island. (Robert Moses, Long Beach, Jones Beach, etc.)
OK, leaving now. Good day to all.
LindaNewYork — no scarasm at all…. actually as a transplanted New Yorker — I have a condo at the NJ Shore! Lanceman —– you really don’t know what that is? You must be “young” — only G-d knows …
Got it? BBL
Cindy said :…we got them on the run…”
For once, Cindy was telling the truth, too bad it’s Casey’s lawyers who are running.
Thank you JB
I try to not be tricked into some battle; ignoring is usually the best. I think you are dong a great job btw. 
I don’t want to sound over the top lol.
The stuff found near the body of Caylee like the blanket, her book, it looks as if Caylee was kept somewhere and killed where her belongings would have been a clue and so the stuff had to go as well. If those things were found with Casey, it would not be suspicious as she was the mother. And the smell is a real bad sort of eviddence I agree.
About the new lawyer that will have to replace professor Lyon (if any) : I suppose mr Sheaffer can’t do the job, since he has this blog here and his WFTV video’s?
theJBmission said, on July 1, 2010 at 3:09 am
Ina,
I don’t think I’ve ever typed the word “maggots” in my life up until now. It’s like beating a dead horse. They can’t give an inch and in doing so, it makes them seem ignorant.
No since calling ME ignorant just because YOU can’t understand.
LNY: Evidently that is what she/he/it is saying. The maggots ate all the pizza. Bet they didn’t even share with the squirrels!
@ finishedlurking said, on July 1, 2010 at 12:43 am
frankie
your point about the lifecycle and digestive habits of the maggot is not lost on ALL LOL
Dr Haskell stated there was sufficient “decompositional material” in the trunk, sadly he was referring to little Caylee and NOT that tired old__ beat that dead horse intellectually barren trashbag theory.
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Thank you finishedlurking. The point I was making was we will know more once the stomach contents of the insects is made known. IF DNA is present, we will have another physical connection with Caylee and the trunk. IF no DNA is present, it might indicate that this 4th generation maggot infestation was feeding on something else in “clean freak casey’s” trunk. I think no conclusion can be reached at this time.
Seriously, why do some not follow the case and instead blabber about things with no basis in reality?
tony L. was RULED out as a suspect of any involvement by LE agencies…..so those ignorant and asking why he may not ever have been viewed as suspicious in any way need to brush up on the FACTS of the case and cease demonstrating their ignorance. He was questioned near to immediately of Caylee being reported missing….
Where in discovery is it indicated “Caylees” book was found with her remains?
Where and by whom has it been indicated in any way shape or form another lawyer will be brought on to replace Lyon?
when you repeatedly see complete BS or BS ramblings, including complete BS claims about maggots holding some defense windfall, that is not debate on the case that is some DERANGED defense spin IMO and complete bunk.
There are only 2 here that repeatedly high five each other’s complete and IMO deranged nonsense…..
RS said:
tony L. was RULED out as a suspect of any involvement by LE agencies…..so those ignorant and asking why he may not ever have been viewed as suspicious in any way need to brush up on the FACTS of the case and cease demonstrating their ignorance. He was questioned near to immediately of Caylee being reported missing….
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Wrong. Tony L had to call and ASK to be interviewed. No one bothered to call him.
Why didn’t LE find him? Again, you’re babbling about something you obviously don’t know.
Ina, I suggest you go to the top right hand corner of this page, and review the posting “About Bill Shaeffer”, before you go insinuating Mr. Shaeffer has nothing better to do than blog and comment on WFTV. That was very rude of you to do, especially on his own blog. Now, get back to the facts. You are getting boring. And, there was never anything reported about a book being found with the remains. Get your facts straight.
JB….
so then he was interviewed right…so then he was RULED OUT as a suspect right….
That’s my point…….
And you assume that LE would never have thought to speak to him unless he called LE….so then you ask why they did not?…that is so absurd as to not merit further
……that’s what I mean by blabbering about the case…the ignorance of the offerings has no limit for some.
Good morning RS. You are right. I got suckered into what I thought was a genuine discussion and the result of that was petty bashing. When the theory was questioned and subsequently debunked, with genuine information with links posted, it resorted to “withering” sarcasm. LOL
I wouldn’t get too upset about it….this will all come up again in a couple of weeks with the same old nonsense posted and the facts ignored.
I really think that, since bozo is spending so little time working on the actual case, he is concentrating his efforts in throwing out nonsense to see what the general public, from which the jury will be selected, will subsequently buy into.
I said:
Linda,
Maggots? I’m not the expert, Thank God! Ask Frankie. She says they have 4 generations of maggot life. I refuse to google maggots. I’ll say it’s like maggots to blow flies to regular flies. Maybe there’s a stage I’m missing.
May 24 to June 24 = 1 month
June 24 to July 24 = 2 months
so what’s that? 2 weeks of life per generation. Check it out. I don’t know and I don’t care. “My” fact remains the same. The trash could have gone back as far as May 24th which is only 6 weeks to July 15th.
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This is all wrong. I really really didn’t want to google maggots but I did. For those who didn’t catch my mistake, here’s what I found. BTW, it took all of 2mins.
Blowflies are not the common housefly. They are the flies which gravitate to corpses.
So ix-nay my comment “”I’ll say it’s like maggots to blow flies to regular flies. Maybe there’s a stage I’m missing.”" <—
They are not a stage which was my assumption.
Flies and maggots also provide an approximate time of death, very useful for cases where the body has been long dead. Only certain insects will feed and lay eggs on a dead corpse and forensic entomologists study these insects, their larvae cycles and thereafter can determine whether a body has been dead for just one day or up to 3 or 4 weeks.
Time Physical Appearance of Body Insects Present at that Stage
0-3 days 0-3 days Proteins and carbohydrates in the deceased body begin to break down. Blowflies e.g. Bluebottle flies, Syrphidae flies
4-7 days Body is starting to decay and causes the abdomen to inflate because of the gases inside. Fly larvae and beetle e.g. Rove Beetles
8-18 days 8-18 days Decay is well and truly setting in; the abdomen wall begins to break down. Ants, cockroaches, beetles and flies
19-30 days The decaying body enters a stage know as 'post-decay'; in wet, humid conditions, the body is sticky and wet; in hot dry conditions, the body is dried out. Beetles and mites e.g. Springtail beetle, Acari, Nematocera (present only during the winter months), Brachycera
31 and over days The bones, skin and hair that remain no longer give off a powerful stench and smell just like the soil surrounding it.
( I still would like to know if the maggots/larvae found were blowflies or house flies )
I understand now why blowflies are significant meaning there must have been a corpse. But from what I found, more information can also come from the larvae, yet nothing has been reported. Why?
RS said”:
JB….
so then he was interviewed right…so then he was RULED OUT as a suspect right….
That’s my point…….
And you assume that LE would never have thought to speak to him unless he called LE….so then you ask why they did not?…that is so absurd as to not merit further
……that’s what I mean by blabbering about the case…the ignorance of the offerings has no limit for some.
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RS:
Your ignorance? Is that what you mean because your comprehension is off. Maybe you need to get another cup of coffee.
My point is this and was this when I answered Ina. WHY didn’t LE IMMEDIATELY bring him in for questioning? Not that it would have changed anything. My point is LE screwed up again. This is by far the worst investigated case I’ve ever run across. So if you don’t get the gist of the conversation, I’d suggest you stay out of it because you sure come across as IGNORANT when you comment about something you know nothing about.
I’m just trying to help you out, okay?
I agree, LE didn’t call Tony, they paid him a visit in the early morning hours after Caylee was FINLLY reported missing and took the grand tour of his humble abode. I rather imagine there was atl east some conversation during that time followed up by more formal discussions on tape soon after.
Anyone…didn’t Tony take a poly as well? I believe he did. Also he wore a wire for LE,
Just a few reasons that come to mind as to why he is not a suspect.
JB
Gosh, maybe LE the night of her reported was sorting out the nanny claims
by the mother who never cared to dial 911…
…gosh maybe they were busy the next day as well carting the mother around trying to get to the bottom of the discrepancies…
It is both laughable and absurd to try to imply in any way Tony would not be vetted by LE
Maybe it’s a European thing to rewrite history of the case or imply a person was not vetted or ever looked at..
Ina said:
The stuff found near the body of Caylee like the blanket, her book, it looks as if Caylee was kept somewhere and killed where her belongings would have been a clue and so the stuff had to go as well. If those things were found with Casey, it would not be suspicious as she was the mother. And the smell is a real bad sort of eviddence I agree.
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That’s a good point Ina. There really wasn’t any point for Casey to leave the blanket and other items. You’re right, if those things were found in Casey’s car, it wouldn’t have seemed suspicious at all. It would only matter to someone who wouldn’t have a reason to have Caylee’s things. Makes sense.
I googled it also. Result took .34 seconds. while you post above was enlightening, it was about the decay process of a corpse. The following is the life cycle of a blowfly and was the basis for 4th generation fly.
Life cycle of the black blow fly
Adult female blow flies arrive within minutes to lay eggs on a cadaver. Each deposits about 250 eggs in the natural openings of the body and open wounds. The eggs hatch into first-stage maggots within 24 hours. These feed and then molt into second-stage maggots, which feed for several hours, and then molt into third-stage maggots. Masses of third-stage maggots may produce heat, which can raise the temperature around them more than 10° C. After more feeding, the third-stage maggots move away from the body and metamorphize into adult flies.
link: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/visibleproofs/galleries/technologies/blowfly.html
In other words, RS is NOT the one with a comprehension problem, obviously!
Muesli? I just suggested it would be something for him perhaps, being a defense lawyer, but he has this blog, so he could be seen as too involved/bias, whatever or something. ? (what is it with cereal it always gives me heartburn) I don’t think mr Sheaffer got any other idea or was insulted? If so, i am sorry mr Sheaffer
Muesli, I think you will have to try something else to get me banned.
Thanks JB . Don’t let the maggots get to you lol. A cadaver can be any kind of raw beef imo btw. Must go but just one thing: Tony worked for the police /LE. he had a wire to trick her. Why would he agree to do that to Casey? To save his own butt? Just a thought and I might have misspelled hiney, not sure.
Or the imaginanny could have simply burned the blanket and imagibook after she snuck them out of the anthony home. Or maybe she should have just put them in the trunk after she secretly returned the car to casey for her to drive around a few weeks complaining all the while about that pesky dead squirrel that crawled into the trunk.
It is both laughable and absurd to try to imply in any way Tony would not be vetted by LE
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You really don’t get it RS. Here’s the picture. LE goes to the Anthony home. Child missing, 31 days Mother doesn’t call 911,
CAR?? Smells like death. oh, oh, “yeah, yeah, yeah, ok ms. casey.
A smart cop would say: Lets go downtown and see if we can sort this out.
Oh btw, where have you been the last few days. ah ha, Boyfriend? Go get him.
Why is LE toying with the Anthony’s if they THINK/KNOW the smell of decomp. Decomp odor + missing child should = murder NOT kidnapping. So how can you say they did a good job is beyond belief. IMO
Again where is it indicated in discovery that “Caylees” book was among the remains?
Let’s have some backup provided for that blatant whopper posted….
and the items among the remains came from the Anthony home and in no way indicate some other person had hold of Caylee…except in the minds of the defense hacks…
to reasonable people on a jury it will indicated Caylee was likely killed at her home and scooped up with the Pooh bear blanket, shoved into the Whitney laundry bag on hand at the Anthomy home and for good measure a few plastic trash bags used, not some other “place” she may have been held…….you know, a murderer racing to get rid of the murdered….sloppy..leaving human decomp remnants in the trunk….a decomp hair, that sort of thing…
In other words, RS is NOT the one with a comprehension problem, obviously!
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You’re the one who had to educate me after the fact that I corrected myself. lol
Go Frankie.
It’s not a comprehension issue, if I hadn’t read it. Maybe you should google “comprehension”
I haven’t seen or heard anything from Mr. Shaeffer which indicated he is biased. Enough of this garbage.
and the items among the remains came from the Anthony home and in no way indicate some other person had hold of Caylee…except in the minds of the defense hacks…
to reasonable people on a jury it will indicated Caylee was likely killed at her home and scooped up with the Pooh bear blanket, shoved into the Whitney laundry bag on hand at the Anthomy home and for good measure a few plastic trash bags used, not some other “place” she may have been held…….you know, a murderer racing to get rid of the murdered….sloppy..leaving human decomp remnants in the trunk….a decomp hair, that sort of thing…
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And WHO is reasonable???? Not you! Difficult yes, but reasonable, no. You’re about as reasonable as those people who wrote the horrifying hate mail to Casey. It’s funny, but in one of those letters the word “laughable” came up alot. Was that you?
JB.
You once again are trying to imply that LE would not question Tony L. that is was an astounding accident that he was questioned..what complete and total BS…it is laughable, now pathetic and absurd that you would even remotely try to sell that pile of manure to anyone…
point is he was vetted..answer yes or no? no matter what prompted the vetting was he or was he not vetted? Answer yes or no….
and then reread the baseless insinuation by the european cohort of yours
RS,
Again, you conveniently left out a “fact”. The fact is Casey always carried a bag of Caylee’s belonging with her. This is not only in Cindy’s testimony, it’s in Annie D’s and Amy’s. So do you believe it? Those things are common for any mother to have with her when toting around a 2 yr. old
And while you’re explaining your theory as to what happened you forgot to say “a single hair” was found. Not two with decomp indications which are debatable and it will be debated. But ONE. The Casey that you know and love sure did a great job at cleaning up her mess and not sloppy at all. You can’t be serious.
JB..
Apparently when you are cornered and exposed for your obvious defense hack BS you lash out..now insinuating I wrote something to anthony?
Once again, where in discovery is there any mention of “Caylees” book..you know part of the high five you gave your european cohort tripping right over and past that whopper……
waiting, still waiting…
The book being found with the body is not in any evidence because it was not.
When the early photos were released of the area where Caylee was found, many of us “thought” we saw Fredia fuzzy paws in the area where the now famous 3 orb photo was taken.
However, it was later shown to be a sign, not the book.
So, the book being there is based on very early blog reports, not document release.
Oh is that the problem? European cohort? Ooops. What’s the difference in having a European cohort to having a Canadian cohort?
Please explain your prejudice?
BTW, I’m glad you mentioned it because at least now I know what I’m dealing with and I believe you are right. You’re righteous and close minded and I’m right, that makes you difficult. That really sucks for you. You must have a miserable life.
JB:
Both Cindy & Lee have given statements that said ” Caylees back pack was empy had no cookies, juice, no changes of clothes, it had I believe 1 pull up and a spoiled bottle.
Judy,
I’m talking about the bigger bag of clothing that Casey toted around with blankets and toys, not the everyday stuff. Brian Burner testified that Casey looked like she was moving. Where are those things?
This has once again become about jbm and ina. ANYTHING to take the attention away from their blown BS theories! So very, very transparent.
Judy or RS: Do either of you remember any maggots being found in the trunk or bag or was it only mature maggots, which for those of you who cannot comprehend what you read, would be blowflies?
You know who you are or do I have to name the names of those who cannot comprehend the statement as written?
And Tony did NOT wear a wire to trick Casey.
He wore a wire to catch Lee.
Egads.
JB,
I have a great life, don’t rewrite history, nor case history in this instance, don’t post blatant whoppers as though fact…
I suspect it is you that is in turmoil or why else the personally directed comments as if my life is a this or that and the paranoia type of trying to imply I wrote Anthony………..
I am not mired in delusion, the delusion of high fives as if that somehow sells some BS, rather I am grounded in reality…
Frankie,
get a grip. Read up. It wasn’t me who brought up “European cohort”. I’ll answer every cheap shot you have.
Very good RS. But I’m not a liar, so try to stay focused and get out of the shadows with your little jabs.
You ARE a Liar. You have posted blatant lies. You call your theory a fact. That is a lie.
You said it. Own it.
Frankie when they inspected the trunk it was found to have “coffin flies/blow flies in it.
There were “NO” food items in the care only empty containers.
The pizza box if memory serves me correctly had one slice of dried up rock hard pizza.
There were No sides of beef, No pork chops, nadda nothing zip.
I have posted the contents list & photos of everything MANY times but some just refuse to accept the real evidence, make believe is better.
JB:
Lee went to Tonys after mid-night to collect Casey’s belongings, he brought home her bag which the contents were all hers, nothing of Caylees,
Yep you’ll asnwer a cheap shot but direct questions asked of you concerning the maggot activity, the reason “may” be that you can have no problem bring forth the ugly bitterness wich prevades your comments but have no answers to questions which have been asked by several people over the past several days.
THIS is why you are not and will not be taken seriously.
And Tony was questioned by L.E within hours, he also agreed right away to take a poly.
A poly which he passed, he told Casey when she called him that he “would do anything to help L.E find Caylee”
And he kept his word, he wore the wire to catch Lee lying for his sister.
JB : they are trolling as usual, just ignore.
I suppose it would not matter if a defense lawyer has a blog where he has said she is guilty, but it would make it hard. JMO lol. So I think mr Sheaffer won’t be it. I doubt he will be sorry.
Yes Judy PC,
You did post the contents of the trash but you failed to mention the receipt dated May 24th and the fact that Clint House recognized the trash as coming from Tony’s.
And the maggots, whether they came from blowflies or house flies were in a plastic bag.
How do you know if the maggots/larvae were blowfly larvae or house fly larvae?
The blowfly larvae would feast on human remains or rotten chicken or anything type of rotting meat. They are Canivores. The housefly larvae may have come from the trash. Yes, the blowfly is significant but it is possible to have both types of maggots.
Are poly’s legal evidence? The are very unreliable.
Oh also, when Lee returned home 2 hours later Cindy grabbed what she could and inspected it before police caught her going through the bags, she took out her credit cards and pocketted 200 bucks of Amys cash.
Polygraphs are used as investigative tools, little hard to say Tony wasn’t fully investigated when every investigative tool available was used to clear him.
Can’t have it both ways
Judy there would not have to be any beef in the car remaining to have the maggots coffin flies still there. Even if that was removed, the insects might still be there.
Ina,
Poly’s are not admissable as evidence. They’re just used by LE to clear suspects but they are not fail proof. Some guilty people have beaten the polygraph.
BTW, were you asking if BS would take a job on the defense? If so, no I doubt it. Bill Sheaffer seems to have his hands ful with his job with WFTV and his own personal clients. I’m sure.
I doubt Casey got a hold of Tony’s trash on May 24th.
When doing the timeline with Corporal Eric Ewards, Tony states the first night Casey was in his apartment was May 31st after his hip hop show case at Arden Villas, this is when he met Jesse, they later went to the movies and then Tony’s friend Estelle Goodwin’s house.
Casey was driving as Tony’s car was in the shop. She did not stay over . Tony claims she got a call from Cindy and went home. Tony tells Edwards that although they had had sex she didnt stay over at his place till June 13th which was the first time he had taken her to Fusians.
About the book, I didn’t know that. Ty.
But there were still other things belonging to Caylee that would make me wonder. If I dared.
I didn’t think I remembered any maggots, only blowflies/coffinflies. I hope this report comes out soon. I know they have sent an inordinate number of insects to the lab for testing, but the article didn’t specify what kind. It did say they were mostly from the dump site.
I’m glad you mentioned this dastardly deed Cindy was able to do. It just reinforces my point of view. LE did a terrible investigation. Everybody should have been brought downtown.
LE is looking at a possible “death mobile” remember. But they do nothing. They let everyone chit chat amongst themselves. Talk all through the night. Wash clothes.
It was ridiculous to me and I concur with Mark Fuhrmann. OSCO did it all wrong and that’s why they are in the predictament they’re in.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/message/1266254644/Paper+towels+taken+from+car+with+DNA+%26amp%3B+Decomp+on+them
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/message/1266253529/car+evidence
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/message/1266253287/Pooh+blanket+evidence
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/message/1266270145/Photo+copy+Entomologist+report
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/message/1266165603/Re-+Orange+County+Sheriff%27s+Office+Forensics+Report+01-01-09-with+evidence+photos
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/message/1266165553/Re-+Orange+County+Sheriff%27s+Office+Forensics+Report+01-01-09-with+evidence+photos
Polygraphs are in fact admissible in court under certain circumstances, such as when both parties agree to allow it.
Ina,
I’m going to research the book thing. I recall reading something about a book too. It may have been in the documents. Do you remember if they mentioned it was the book that Caylee was reading with Grandpop?
T2M,
Would that be in a criminal or civil trial? Just curious?
And just what predicament is OCSO in? Except in the minds of defense hacks..
Let’s see, able to secure warrants, able to secure arrests, able to—SAO, secure a Grand Jury indictment…
gosh, OCSO sure is on one”predicament” huh…
Again, the claims and insinuations are laughable and absurd with no basis in reality….
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VIENNA — A 53-year-old man who hoarded more than a million child pornography pictures and videos has been arrested, Austrian authorities said Friday.
Maybe that’s where the porn comes from that is shown in dutch prisons!
now THAT was a cheap shot! The other comments were facts.
Well that makes sense Jilly,
Since they had a receipt in the trash dated May 24th. Sounds even more likely.
Mark Fuhrman? LOL
Mister I NEVER used the N word perjurer extraordinaire.
If that’s the go to guy it explains a lot.
Hey, it is what it is? Mark Fuhrmann said a lot of things I agree with. He also said, when Brian Burner said Casey borrowed the shovel for an hour, that would mean to him that the body was close. He said that was Homicide 101. It sounds very logical to me too.
I read it was her fav. book, that is what I remember. It came with a pic also, but like the plants growing through bones pic, I have no idea where I saw it. Better stick to the official documents!
T2M,
Dang, Mark Fuhrmann would have been on Suburban drive dragging along some of Casey’s saliva just in case…LOL
Well, it’s been real, but I have to go to work.
Later on Decatur between Toulouse and TooTight.
oh Frankie,
Now I’m nauseated. Thanks.
JBM to my knowledge, poly’s wouldn’t be used in a civil case as the standard of proof is lower.
This site lags badly!
gosh, OCSO sure is on one”predicament” huh…
Again, the claims and insinuations are laughable and absurd with no basis in reality….
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Surely you JEST RS! What predicament?? They have NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE..Helloooooo
gotta Gooooo
JB;
I will post the 3 orb pic for you if you do not believe me, and the later photos of the dump site, what was thought by bloggers myself inclued to be the book was a yellow sign for a day care.
NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE
WOW I wonder what that rare duct tape wraped around the victims face is, the same tape usd by the defendants parents to hang fliers .
In fact all of the items found with the victim for that matter.
I have NO doubt that if the body of a murder victim were surrounded by items belong to me or my child who is the victim, it would indeed be considered physical evidence.
The fact that my DNA or hair was not found after 6 months, and many of those months that evidnce was covered by water and ravaged by animals would be of no surprise.
BUT if the bad ‘ol cops really wanted to set me up they would be damn sure to put a few of my hairs, which they have access to , right under some of that rare duct tape wrapped are the victims face.
If OCSO set her up they did a lousy job of it. lol
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/message/1278001743/what+was+thought+to+be+caylees+book
jillycomelately said, on July 1, 2010 at 10:40 am
***Tony tells Edwards that although they had had sex she didnt stay over at his place till June 13th which was the first time he had taken her to Fusians.****
There goes the “neat freak” theory that casey left the garbage in her trunk from May 24th! As I said, it was an old receipt and has no bearing on the date the garbage was put in the trunk….unless we are to believe that casey was in the habit of sleeping with random men and taking their garbage right after. Hmmmm, we are talking about casey, so may be!
t2m: darn those cops. I think if I wanted to set up casey, I would have put at least a few of her hairs on the duct tape! At least one that they pulled out of her greasy head for testing since she was in jail long before Mr. Kronk found Caylee’s remains.
Judy
I appreciate the effort you are going though to support your position but Bees Knees tried to show why she believes what she does, and was met with distain for her efforts, Frankie has provided links and info to support her beliefs and was met with same.
It comes down to name calling and bitterness when someone is able to support their theories with facts .
JB, I have to say, I used to respect the fact that you had a differing opinion, but you’ve resorted to name-calling lately, which I think is pretty childish. Why do you come here and badger everyone who disagrees with you, and then call them ignorant? We’ve all read the same documents you have, that have been released under the Sunshine law. I haven’t seen anyone get snarky with you until you baited them. Why the hostility? You have your own blog, and while I don’t agree completely with your take on the evidence, I respected the fact that you allow for discussion to the contrary. Can’t you keep your snarkiness there, rather than stirring up crap here?
Cindy Anthony letter to her daughter, dated Feb. 17, 2010. Cindy tells casey they “have a year to change people’s perception.
Most people already believe in you anyway, its just a few Nancy Grace diehards.
We can keep her at bay as well….”….. Clearly explains Cindy’s agenda and motives for going on national TV — to try to influence potential jurors — she has a year to accomplish that….page 185….http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24039447/detail.html
T2M:
lol, you know I try to show the facts, I am now searching for the later photo that shows the sign for the day care, I know I have it, just have to go through hundreds of others to find it (groan).
I know some do not want to see the truth, it is better to think casey was driving around with a side of beef in her trunk.
As I recall, you, Frankie, RS and myself were all blogging together when those photos were released, and we all thought it was her book at first, then later photos were released that show the close up shots and it became very clear it was not her book.
We are some of the old crew that has been looking at this case from day one and has tried to show those nagging old facts.
Funny, Cindy hasn’t done such a great job keeping NG “at bay”…LOL
I support the ideal of a fair trial. I even think the State should never be on television pushing their case and they have NOT done so. I also think that the defense and the anthonys should have been shut up LONG ago. There should be a gag order in place to stop them from their endless lobbying, unless, the State is also allowed to try this case in the public like the anthonys are doing!
Casey Anthony FL Statute violations
Atty Conway admits that Baez has been passing letters to and from the INMATE and her family. The jail posted a sign “ATTORNEYS ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO CONVEY TO AN INMATE ANY WRITTEN COMMUNICATION OF A PERSONAL NATURE.” Defense Attorney Baez has committed a third degree felony by passing letters to and from INMATE Anthony’s family to the INMATE secretly…. The INMATE wrote that this was being done in letters she wrote to a fellow inmate; Lee Anthony sent texts to his parents saying Baez was doing this; Atty Conway said on national tv that Baez was doing this…. Cindy Anthony told Good Morning America, June 15, 2010, that she gave INMATE Anthony a card at the courthouse, which is a third degree felony in Florida. Florida Statute Title XLVII, Chapter 944, 944.47 (1)(a) 1 – by introducing this item of “written … communication ….except through regular channels as authorized by the officer in charge of the correctional institution….”…… 944.47 6.(b) “It is unlawful to transmit or attempt to transmit to, or cause or attempt to cause to be transmitted to or received by, any inmate …..at any place which is outside the grounds of such institution, except through regular channels ….” excerpt from what Cindy said: “In a rare spontaneous meeting during a court recess in March, Cindy said she was able to give Casey a Mother’s Day card.”……..http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0944/Sec47.HTM
Judy
Your right and Read This worked on that photo with a photo program too, we all thought it was the book until (I think Read) was able to get it clear and we saw it was a day care sign, we could even read the phone number.
Mix, I wouldn’t assign my Rottie to try to keep NG at bay, I love that dog and wouldn’t want him to get hurt LOL
Casey Anthony FL Statute violations
Lee Anthony text messages to his parents, saying that Baez has letters from Casey…. The jail posted a sign “ATTORNEYS ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO CONVEY TO AN INMATE ANY WRITTEN COMMUNICATION OF A PERSONAL NATURE.” Defense Attorney Baez has committed a third degree felony by passing letters to and from INMATE Anthony’s family to the INMATE secretly…. The INMATE wrote that this was being done in letters she wrote to a fellow inmate; Lee Anthony sent texts to his parents saying Baez was doing this; Atty Conway said on national tv that Baez was doing this…. Cindy Anthony told Good Morning America, June 15, 2010, that she gave INMATE Anthony a card at the courthouse, which is a third degree felony in Florida. Florida Statute Title XLVII, Chapter 944, 944.47 (1)(a) 1 – by introducing this item of “written … communication ….except through regular channels as authorized by the officer in charge of the correctional institution….”…… 944.47 6.(b) “It is unlawful to transmit or attempt to transmit to, or cause or attempt to cause to be transmitted to or received by, any inmate …..at any place which is outside the grounds of such institution, except through regular channels ….” excerpt from what Cindy said: “In a rare spontaneous meeting during a court recess in March, Cindy said she was able to give Casey a Mother’s Day card.”……..http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0944/Sec47.HTM
WHY, WHY, WHY are they allowed to flagrantly disregard the law????? I WILL be contacting my State representatives to DEMAND that this vile bunch of vipers be reigned in AND face charges for their crimes!!!!!
LOL. JB’s Mission is probably one of Casey’s jailhouse penpals. It must be embarressing to have your real name exposed for the world to see when you’re supporting a baby killer. You’re on-line incessently, spouting nonsensical, delusional, easily rebutted, hare brained theories just looking for an argument. Why people continue to engage with someone who is not trying to debate the facts but is just pushing buttons is beyond me.
Your comment above, ” I have no idea of who you are but what I do have a gut feeling about is YOU are nothing more than a Jombe de clique clique as my Cajun Coon Ass Gramma would say”. Coon ass? How politically incorrect and disparaging is that comment? Your true colors are showing and it isn’t pretty.
I went off on an inconsequential tangent above. I wanted to post Terrance Lenamon’s comment regarding Andrea Lyon’s exit (stage left).
Terence M. Lenamon, a Miami death-penalty attorney who briefly worked on the Anthony case, said the loss of Lyon is not good for Casey Anthony’s defense.
“In the long run I think it’s going to be detrimental to the client,” Lenamon said. “I think Andrea is a great lawyer … I’m severely disappointed someone with such great experience and who clearly had the client’s best interest in mind is leaving the team.”
“who clearly had the client’s best interest in mind is leaving the team”. That says a lot. This boat is sinking.
Nosey
Politicaly incorrect in relation to ones own Grandmother at that! LOL
Snipped from judypc’s comment:
“Mix, I wouldn’t assign my Rottie to try to keep NG at bay, I love that dog and wouldn’t want him to get hurt LOL”
NG would chew Cindy up, and spit her out. LOL
theJBmission said, on July 1, 2010 at 10:54 am
Hey, it is what it is? Mark Fuhrmann said a lot of things I agree with. He also said, when Brian Burner said Casey borrowed the shovel for an hour, that would mean to him that the body was close. He said that was Homicide 101. It sounds very logical to me too.
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More of a no brainer….the poor baby was in the trunk of the pontiac.
The freak probably changed her mind about burial…….too much work .Grabbed her freezer pops and Cindy’s JC Penny card and hot footed it back to Sutton Place.
Dont her phone pings show that the day she borrowed the shovel was the longest she’d spent when sneaking back to plunder Hopespring.
What I find fascinating is the lack of blowflies in the trash or trunk. They ususally
arrive in as little as 20 minutes of death but Haskel speaks of finding only a solitary leg of a blow fly.
He did find large numbers of coffin/scuttle flies and their larvae and puparia which arrive at later stages of decomp and get their name due to the ability of breaching sealed places such as coffins. I guess a locked trunk could be described as a coffin.
Wasn’t some plant life found in the trash bag and soil in the trunk?.
Dear God…. could this monster have actually let Caylee die in that tomb of a trunk?
defense wittness list released
Judy, sorry! I’m only reading your request now. I don’t read that blog regularly. That was the only time. But if I come across anything else that might support your theory I will def. let you know.
Don’t know if you all have seen this, emergency hearing tomorrow
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2010/july/116464/Emergency-hearing-scheduled-in-Case-Against-Casey
Acouple of diddies from JB
“Furthermore, it seems I’m not the only one who thinks Casey MAY be innocent. I find it funny that some people think its odd. I was horrified by the letters of pure D Hatred coming from the so-called Justice For Caylee Camp. Those people were lunatics. After reading the trash those people took time to write and mail, I’m proud to be on the opposite end. Very, very PROUD. I’m surprised all of the good people who Hate the Anthony’s didn’t take note of that. I guess they condone that sort of behavior. I don’t and NEVER will. tyvm.”
First, the only people who think it is odd that you find that Casey is innocent, are the people who have common sense.
Secondly don’t assume anyone condone the sort of behavior of the lunatics who wrote to Casey. You mentioned above to some about what happens when you ASSUME. In fact, in my case, the ONLY letters of interest were George and Cindy’s.
AND
T2M,
Dang, Mark Fuhrmann would have been on Suburban drive dragging along some of Casey’s saliva just in case…LOL
So, the BJMisision thinks OJ is innocent too! LOL!
Ya know what, JN, IIRC Lee was asked about if any of the police, etc. smelled the smell that night–His response: No, it was IN THE GARAGE AND THE GARAGE DOOR WAS CLOSED. Soooo, it was a “missing person” 911 call and not a dead body.
JB, not many visitors to talk with over at YOUR “Casey May Be Innocent” blog? seems to me you’d be better of talking with “like minded people” like the OJ jury! HA!
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Comment from Mixologist
“JB, I have to say, I used to respect the fact that you had a differing opinion”.
Same here. I had admired her tenacity, but she is all smoke and mirrors.
Now, back to business. WFTV story on the emergency hearing tomorrow:
Bill Sheaffer says jurors are tougher on defense experts.
“A defense expert is getting paid to come down, getting paid to testify, getting paid to reach the conclusions they reach,” Sheaffer said.
I agree with that. I also think that when when it comes to “dueling experts” some juries seen to fall back on the circumstantial evidence, from some cases I have seen on the Tru Crime shows. There his a hell of a lot of it in this case. MAYBE that is the prosecution’s “ace in the holel”.
Also if discovery is reciprocal, why would the defense want its experts to see evidence at the sheriff’s office without the supervision of the state so that no defense secrets are divulged?
So, since they ain’t got nuthin’, obviously their ONLY defense will be to attack the forensics. LOL!
WFTV also reviewed the list of new witnesses who will be brought in to help defend Casey Anthony. Casey’s parents and brother are on the list, too.
~All I have to say to that is: ROFLMAO, ROFLMAO, ROFLMAO and HAHAHAHA
Cindy “The Mouth” Anthony will be the one to put not the last, but MOST of the nails in the coffin.
Maybe Mr. Sheaffer or anyone can answer this question…
Why can’t what the defense of Casey will be, not be disclosed? Why is is it secret?
Personally I did not read the letters from any side for or against her, I just find it rather creepy that someone would write a criminal and ask them to marry them, or proclaim their support of them knowing that person is in jail for a reason, she’s not there for grins & giggles, that is not a fine resort.
I did read a few of Cindy’s & Georges, but soon grew tired of Georges begging & Cindy’s rah-rah-rah its all a set up.
Isn’t Karma an amazing thing?
Jose’ pissed away 1/4 of a mil and Casey is left with Jose’ & Mason.
judypc said, on July 1, 2010 at 6:40 pm Isn’t Karma an amazing thing?
Jose’ pissed away 1/4 of a mil and Casey is left with Jose’ & Mason.
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And a busted toof.
It’s confusing. How can the Anthony’s be on the defense witness list, as reported today, when they are on the prosecution’s witness list?
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/anthony/Anthony_case_witness_list.htm
Ya know I need to talk to my boss…I don’t like working 12 hrs days – I miss everything!
Yo Hola – I think we most certainly learn by exploring options and hearing others thoughts and conclusions…but wouldn’t you agree that there needs to be some logic in those conclusions?
JB – you are very disappointing. What more can I say? You want to say your piece but get all snarky when people debate it. I think my response from earlier is correct. You spew here and get mean but you wouldn’t do it a ‘moderated’ site such as Val’s or Blinks as they wouldn’t put up with your baseless theories and snarky remarks. I am glad you think Casey is innocent, someone needs to. Good Luck with that.
So with A Lyons gone, who is next? I’m of the opinion that Mason will resign next, giving the defense the right to extend the trial to find another DP Attorney.
muesli
That would make it possible for the defense to directly examine them as opposed to only being able to cross exam.
T2M would that also allow them to treat them as hostile witnesses?
Tried to post this earlier but it wound up blog limbo…new twist is Mason has taken on another high profile case here in Orlando, crooked poliitico. Would’t you think he would be up to his eyeballs with the Casey Anthony defense. Could he be working himself out of this case. He hasn’t managed to process all the info on this case so why tkae on another? The hearing at 1:30 tommorrow may shed some light on this.