Discourse or Discord?
The rumors are not true. I am not dead, nor in the Witness Protection Program, nor have I abandoned or lost interest in our blog. While it is true that the personal injury side of my law practice has kept me beyond busy, the fact is, as well, there has been little to say of late.
In that vein, many of you may remember Mr. Ed, a TV sitcom that ran when I was a child. The show was about a horse that could talk, but would only speak to his owner, Wilbur. In any event, the show’s theme song went, in part, something like this: “People yakkity yak and waste our time of day, but Mr. Ed will never speak unless he has something to say… A horse is a horse, of course of course…” Well, I generally feel like Mr. Ed in that regard, and do not want to talk or write and waste your time unless I have something to say.
So much of what has been presented as topical or important during the pendency of the Casey Anthony case has been, what I consider to be, white noise. That is, a lot of sound and dissonance with little or no consequence or meaning to either the prosecution of the defense of the criminal case itself. That is not to say that certain “white noise” events are not in some ways interesting, or should not be of interest to us. Rather, these things just do not, in my opinion, rise to the level of scholarly discussion or analysis.
Although now old news, but still extremely significant (and, yes, I should have commented earlier), was Judge Perry’s ruling denying the defense motion to exclude the tapes of Cindy Anthony’s 911 calls. That decision, after all, was one of the most, if not THE most, momentous evidentiary rulings made to date in this case. I would certainly now expect the State to lead off by playing those tapes as their first evidence in the presentation of their case in chief. The agitation, frustration and emotion contained in Cindy Anthony’s voice, during her last 911 call, foreshadows the tragedy that unfolds and, ultimately, culminates with the discovery of the body of baby Caylee Anthony. This call, in particular, also sets the evidentiary stage for the unfolding web of lies spun by Caylee’s mother, Casey Anthony, which, measured against the facts, will ultimately lead to the inescapable conclusion of Casey’s guilt in the murder of her little girl.
It is critical in this circumstantial evidence case that the State’s launch from the starting gate be strong, impactful and consistent with the evidence provided by the 911 tapes. And so now, the stage has been set. What remains is to flesh out the supporting evidence, especially the forensic evidence.
What are we waiting for now? We are anticipating the Defense motions to exclude the forensic evidence, Judge Perry’s denial of same, and the evidentiary boxcars to line up behind the 911 tape train engine.
Finally, questions and curiosity about the content of the taped telephone calls between defense attorney Jose Baez and Lowell Correctional Inmate Robin Lunceford are rampant now that the judge has issued his order denying the defense motion for a protective order regarding their release. However, again, whether these tapes contain anything of evidentiary value, or whether we have instead more white noise, remains to be seen. If it is the former, I promise to comment (and, yes, Craig, in a timely fashion).
Until then, or until the next significant event, I have been asked again to answer questions. I will do so gladly as my caseload permits. Thank you all for your patience and forbearance.
WJS
Legal Analyst Bill Sheaffer on Casey Anthony Case 
Well Hello Mr Scheaffer. Love the “Mr. Ed” analogy. As you can see, us laymen seem to never be at a loss for words, opinions, comments and gossip regarding this case. Not surprised, that in your expert opinion that the State will lead off with the 911 calls as that is exactly what started the ball rolling regarding the “missing” Caylee Anthony, and indeed her lies and misleading the police and her family will seal her fate. And I imagine that Cindy Anthony’s statments during that 911 call, regarding the dead body smell and her granddaughter “missing” for a month will be very powerful.
It IS a circumstantial case, with some forensics thrown in and when the Proscution lays out their “case” the jury will most certainly find Casey Anthony guilty of murdering her little girl. As I have seen/read there are plenty of murderer’s who are indeed convicted on circumstantial evidence alone. I have noticed that there are some who think if there is not enough “forensic evidence” they feel there is “no case”. Not so.
I think the way in which Jose Baez was so adamant, so snarky in his motion for a protective order and his reply to the State regarding that jailhouse tape has peaked the interest of us all as to what exactly he is so hell bent on concealing. So we are all very interested as to if it is “white noise” or has any evidenatary value. I guess we shall see.
Well, I knew you were still alive and not in any witness protection program (LOL!), so I think I can speak for those of us who enjoy your commentary on this case, to say Thank You for taklng the time out of your busy schedule to drop us line!! Will still be watching/listening to your commentary on WFTV.
Welcome back, Mr. Sheaffer
Hi Richard,
I really look forward to your posts and explanations and overview of what’s happening. You are my knight in shining armor when it comes to the truth of the matter.
So, my question is something that I have been wondering about where the Defense (who else?) is concerned. Since Jose Baez is not a death penalty certified or labeled attorney due to the fact that he hasn’t dealt with the death penalty yet..or much else from the looks of it. How can he retain first chair when a death penalty lawyer joins in representing the case? And I read somewhere that the death penalty lawyer should be the one to do the depositions since he or she would know the questions to ask in a death penalty case.
Yet here we sit, seeing Baez refusing to give up that chair when it’s obvious he has no experience in it, makes foolish motions and doesn’t even check them for spelling! I thought that Judge Perry would make sure that the correct attorney was driving the case to avoid appeals at the end but he hasn’t. Can you let us know why?
Thanks for all you and Kathi do!
Kath
Mr. Ed was indeed one smart horse! I suspect the broohaha about the Lunceford tapes are much ado about nothing. Although I have no respect for bozo, I do not believe he is a babbling idiot and I think he knew he wasn’t going to win that one. I think he filed simply to keep the case in the spotlight….for several reasons, none of which are honorable, but I suspect there is nothing there of evidentiary value unless the State intends to hold the jail BFFs testimony as truth…and I don’t think they ever planned to do so.
Short and to the point, the kind I can read and remember what is written. Thank you!
Kind of wraps it all up on a ball without a thread dangling Mr. Sheaffer. Not much to
wrangle on about after reading your post. Opinions aren’t going to matter much any more. Bloggers are now without material to feed their people. You have taken the wind
out of the sails. Still, there is Roy Kronk to be chewed on. White talk” is what? That is my question.
Mr. Bill Sheaffer, you R O C K! I thought you must have been really busy of late, but I have caught your comments on the case on WFTV. As always, thanks~!~
You are so right, I can just hear the opening of this case by the STATE with the 911 calls, CA’s voice palpable, the STATE connecting the dots of KC’s lies about ZG. I truly can’t believe that the Defense is going to try this case, imo, Mason/Baez would love to “ask for a plea” but if the only thing the STATE would agree to is “LWOP,” imo, KC won’t go for it. GA told her that those “attorney’s work for her,” she was like a “CEO of her own company,” ha! ha! She whined & cried they didn’t, but the bottom line is, KC will decide her fate in spite of what Baez/Circus think. imo, KC’s self destructive personality & narcissistic tendencies believing her own lies will be that she is smarter than everyone else & will probably think as A Lyon’s thought, the jurors’ won’t be as smart as she is, they will believe her. After all, KC won’t stop until she shreds that is left of her family, but she seems to “eat up her entire commissary account that she “uses them for every month.
I pray this case is tried, every miserable day for the Anthony’s to grasp what their daughter did to the only victim so they will finally shut up with their lies & go away, & for KC to grasp she was never smarter than anyone, just a “common murderer that will deserve the “verdict she receives.” imo. There will be JUSTICE for Caylee with absolutely no thanks to her Grand Parent’s or Uncle, S Pleasa/Rick/Public/STATE will get the JUSTICE she deserves.
Remember when CA said in her 48 hour interview, JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR KC! She is so right! The only other true words CA spoke except the 911 calls.
“The agitation, frustration and emotion contained in Cindy Anthony’s voice, during her last 911 call, foreshadows the tragedy that unfolds and, ultimately, culminates with the discovery of the body of baby Caylee Anthony.” Emotion etc, but is it evidence that Casey killed her child?
Why did Roy Kronk say he lived on Hopesrpring, was that true? Was a part of the tape he said it, removed? http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-caylee-dispatch-call-remains-found-mp3,0,3489653.mp3file
I would like to ask a thing indeed: what ever made the law, the State, decide since 1976 that the dp is a good deal for suspected killers? There was a decade of no dp executions at all, and then, all of the sudden? the dp was reinstalled. Why?
I learned of the Gregg case and the Troy case, but why was it so needed to reinstall the dp?
BB ~~ Hmmmm, was your opinion/words based on Mr. Sheaffers comment or an opportunity taken put down to other blog spots?
Mr Sheaffer, thanks for a well wriitten comment.
Oh uit of course you do rock 🙂 I remember mr Ed as well 🙂 But I also remember Flipper, Skipper and Lassy. And Fury. All subtitled and in black and white. Flipper never said a word, nor did Skipper, Lassy or Fury. That horse did though. Every week! (hint?)
Lassie. And what rumour was that that you were dead?? You are not dead until you say so 🙂
Ina said:
“The agitation, frustration and emotion contained in Cindy Anthony’s voice, during her last 911 call, foreshadows the tragedy that unfolds and, ultimately, culminates with the discovery of the body of baby Caylee Anthony.” Emotion etc, but is it evidence that Casey killed her child?
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Good Morning Ina, no it alone is not evidence & I have not read where anyone thinks it is enough evidence to convict KC, but it certainly shows what extent the Anthony’s were willing to LIE for KC instead of stand up for Caylee, in which to this very day they haven’t done! The “smell in the damn car” was sadly exactly what it was, the smell of death, the smell of Caylee! The 911 calls will only “begin the story of Caylee’s tragic murder, the STATE will connect all the dots, they will then probably start with the Phantom Zanny, the Phantom Job, the countless lies, the list is endless with countless STATE witnesses to testify & that is only a few things.
It will be the “totality of the evidence that will convict KC,” there is absolutely no believable “lie that Baez & KC can make up about the 31 days” that anyone with common sense would believe. Again, I will be very surprised if this case is tried but I certainly hope it is.
I meant to say:
The 911 callls, alone, are not enough evidence to convict KC, it will be the totality of the evidence.
Discourse or discord? Discordianism! 🙂
Cali patti, Not at all a put down, it is meant to compliment Mr. Sheaffer for his thorough
overview. It seems to bring a conclusion as to how this is going down. With the respect
he draws, in his statement here, I can’t find much else to ask or wrangle with on the case. In other words if you already know the conclusion, what is there to say. Sorry
if I am not well skilled in presenting a thought, and I do apologize for “white talk” should have been “white noise”. No, I say hail to the bloggers for months of intense research and posting and commenters opinions. We can always talk about behavior of the attorneys and all those brought to be questioned in the case. Its like spinning the Lotto
wheel to see what it lands on. Forensic? We have to wait it out. You misunderstood me
Does this help? lol
Ina, you need to listen to that call by Kronk closer. Another employee where Kronk worked lives on Hopesprings Drive. He did not say he lived on that street.
BB ~~ you wrote,
“Short and to the point, the kind I can read and remember what is written. Thank you!
Kind of wraps it all up on a ball without a thread dangling Mr. Sheaffer. Not much to
wrangle on about after reading your post” <~~ Is about Mr Sheaffers post.
"Opinions aren’t going to matter much any more.
Bloggers are now without material to feed their people.
You have taken the wind out of the sails." <~~ This is about other bloggers.
I apologize for asking, perhaps you did not know what you wrote.
It’s just so freaking unbelieveable how some people are attempting to tie Kronk with Caylee. Good Lord….give it a rest. Quit digging up past, as Kronk is not on trial here. Remember this girl Casey?? and the Nanny?? Oh, yeah…..that story, and “that’s her story and she’s sticking to it”.
Another employee … I don’t hear it but okay thanks Fed Up. So his collegue is a neighbour?
Ina, I guess it is like a war popping up every so often, kill a lot of people off and make room for others. Of course the dp is not exactly the same because they are housed for many years until their time. I notice a lot of talk all the time now about overcrowding of the prisons, and that leads to excusing flippant little celebrities getting out of jail after a few days. Why post a sentence and not carry it out, the judge knows the prison is overcrowded in the first place, so maybe by the time they get Casey to the prison her wait will not be so long “because of overcrowding”! Interesting, your question about
Roy Kronk. I for one will search out what you mention here and at JB Mission. Today
babies are plucked right from under people’s noses. The enemy has invaded right
under the covers in our homes. No longer is it just in the shopping centers and parking lots. Can’t be too careful! I just do not see how all the suspicious personalities in this
case can be determined positively innocent until after the jury has determined Casey positively GUILTY without a doubt. That totally clears everyone else, it’s ok to wait for
that, they all are fairly young and many stories, interviews, and books lie ahead, all
on the bones of Caylee Marie Anthony. What she went through should be the focus
of sympathy, the rest really are, so to speak. celebrities within the case. jmo today
The State’s closing presentation will be shocking and jurors will shed a tear for a little girl that rotted in her mother’s trunk.
Glad to see you back commenting. Why do you think Jose has not been disbarred yet and do you think he will be. I think I see ethics violations all over the place. I sure hope Perry keeps taxpayer monies at a minimum.
I would like to see no trial and LWOP and save the taxpayers some money. Can she plea without disclosing the method of death or is the prosecution going to play it down to the last card, in your opinion of course.
BB I think I understand what you mean. The fact remains that Caylee is dead and the people who had to prevent her death, didn’t do so.
Thank you again Cali patti, but there is a period after the word people. “you have taken the wind out of THE sails” i know what I wrote. I don’t understand why this seems to disturb you, if you have a blog, I made no reference to any one in particularly. MY sails!
My sails! My sails! Perhaps you wanted to take it out of context for some reason. Or
perhaps I have taken your reply out of context.
Angel, I believe that Casey could offer an Alford Plea where she wouldn’t have to reveal the details but admit that with the preponderance of the evidence that she would be found guilty. I am not sure if Judge Perry would accept an Alford Plea nor the prosecution for that matter. I do believe that the Prosecution is going to play hardball and take it to the mat.
Craig, i have been with this blog for awhile, and I meant no harm, I do not know why
I am attacked by someone as Cali patti, never heard of her and if anyone should be offended by anything i wrote in my first comment today it surely would be Bill Sheaffer
for telling me so much that I am not as curious as before. 🙂 If Mr. Sheaffer is offended
I apologize, but how anyone else can be offended is beyond me. Delete anything that
is not appropriate or is ill directed even though I meant no harm. Oh how perfect I wish
I could be.
I’ve no idea why you want to fight but I simply asked a question and then apologized for asking. I did not misquote you, add or delete anything.
I asked you a question.
I am done.
Ok Cali patti, I am not a fighter. You did not misquote, add or delete. i said there is a
period after the word people. Let me try this again to make you feel better. I should have written it differently for the benefit of someone who gets this upset at something that was not intended to cause a problem. I hope you will re read and understand it was not my intention to condemn. It simply was the way I personally was feeling. Why would you need to be upset with what i wrote, you don’t know me and I never mentioned you or anyone else in particular. Yes, you asked me a question, I answered, you obviously did not read one of my comments because you then pointed out again that I had done something to bloggers. Mr. Sheaffrer is a blogger here he is the one who should be offended. I also apologized, ms Cali patti i’m sure you are a lovely person, you just do not know my personality, I apologize again and to everyone else here. Out of respect for Mr. Sheaffer, I am leaving and will not be back at least for a very long while. You stay and continue on.
Bill~~thank you for taking the time out of your busy days to touch base here. Although I do not comment here, I am a faithful reader of your posts. Thank you.
I am anxious to find out what Baez and Robin Lunceford discussed in that phone call. It seems that Baez would like to discredit Maya Derkovic, since Maya said that Casey told her that she put Caylee to sleep with the aid of chloroform in one of her interviews. Casey did not put this info in her letters to Maya.
I agree the 911 call made by Cindy will be a good lead-in at the beginning of the trial. Once again, thank you.
Discourse or discord is an appropriate title for this very newest of blogs by Mr. Sheaffer. I can see now why he rarely attends to it
looks like Cali Patti woke up a little bit grouchie this morning
BB, why are you apologizing? Your comment was directed to the owner of this blog.
All I can conclude from her argumentative comments is she is a worker bee protecting her Queen.
Thanks Mr. Schaeffer, Another interesting and FACTUAL post!
BB
You have nothing to apologize for, just ignore and by all means don’t stop posting.
Ignore ignore ignore.
BB I don’t understand your apology for posting your opinions. Your response to Mr Shaeffer was pretty concise and didn’t leave a lot of room for misinterpretation.
Ignore and continue to post.
Bill, You are a legal whiz. Your comments are good common sense, and you are a breath of fresh air in this muddy, murky, case. Keep up the good work.
“Kathlb said, on August 4, 2010 at 11:25 am
Hi Richard,”
ok, who is Richard?
Hornsby?
Again, I will apologize. Her remarks whatever they meant were none of business.
I am also sorry she and none of you could accept my first apology.
My question was harsh and again none of my business.
Cali pattie~~I understand completely. It is so easy to take words out of context. It is all history now, my friend.
Biil, i took the liberty for copying the following. It seem to be very fitting.
“People yakkity yak and waste our time of day, but Mr. Ed will never speak unless he has something to say… A horse is a horse, of course of course…” Well, I generally feel like Mr. Ed in that regard, and do not want to talk or write and waste your time unless I have something to say.
Thank You Snoopy Sleuth, I have no idea why I asked her that question it was
none of my business.
I also apologize to Bill for starting an argument. Honestly, was not my intention.
I love the Mr. Ed quote. Think I will use (need it) the quote for personel use.
Hi Ina. In regard to your part of your comment below:
“The agitation, frustration and emotion contained in Cindy Anthony’s voice, during her last 911 call, foreshadows the tragedy that unfolds and, ultimately, culminates with the discovery of the body of baby Caylee Anthony.” Emotion etc, but is it evidence that Casey killed her child?
Of course it is not “evidence” that Casey killed Caylee. It will be start of the story that the Prosecution will tell to start off the case and will likely show juror’s the horror a grandmother felt at JUST then finding out from Casey that she (Casey) said Caylee was taken by the “Nanny” and Cindy connectting that with the smell of a dead body in the car. The prosecution will then go on to the lies that Casey told and the fact that Casey was totally uncooperative in helping LE in finding her daughter. Remember: Every single thing Casey told the police was an out and out lie.
As far as the DP, again, Ina, Florida IS a State that has the DP for “suspected killers”. It is NOT for all killers. Unlike 2nd degree murder, manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter or self defense, it IS for 1st degree murder as the State outlined for this case. I know you feel deeply against the DP and it looks like you tried to find the answers but you have asked BS many times to no avail. After Casey is found guilty the jury will decide her fate. Like you, there have been advocates against the death penalty over a great deal of time. Some States have it, some don’t. I know you feel strongly about it, but it is still on the table in this case and won’t be withdrawn.
I don’t see discussions here as wasting anyone’s time. The case is talked about and even though Mr. Schaeffer does not write an article on a daily basis, the WFTV website reports on goings on in this case and are talked about here. I for one enjoy the discussions here.
Venice said, on August 4, 2010 at 1:12 pm
The State’s closing presentation will be shocking and jurors will shed a tear for a little girl that rotted in her mother’s trunk.
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Venice, I agree totally, Ashton’s presentation thus far when arguing about the DP w/Lyon’s is just a “part of the closing argument,” the description of Caylee’s last moments on earth were heart breaking.
Mason will deliver the “closing for KC as Baez isn’t DP qualified, I can’t imagine what it will encompass or even if he can remember the closing in it’s entirety to present. jmo, KC’s defense if so disconnected I can’t imagine that they can dispute all the KC’s lies, the 31 days missing, all the testimony of LE/Detectives/FBI, that’s just a few things since KC won’t likely testify, I am anxiously awaiting their “excuses, lies, & desperation” they think the jury will buy. It would seem “something’s gotta give with this defense, Baez has resorted to blatantly “lying to Judge P in Court over RL’s calls.” Bet A Lyon’s is glad she bailed from this defense.
Fed Up,you are right, I seem to remember reading that Kronk’s colleague was “his boss” but it has been over a year since I read it.
LindaNewYork, I certainly agree with your comment, not only does FLA. have the DP, there will only be “jurors that believe in the DP on the jury.” imo, KC will get exactly what she deserves.
Caylee decomposed with blow flies in her mother’s trunk for days in Florida heat, and to add insult to injury, the “family” covers for Casey and dismisses Caylee’s horrible way of dying to a rotted pizza. Wow…they do not even have the right to speak Caylee’s name anymore and Caylee belongs to US now.
Hello everyone! Am winding down my visit to Germany and Japan. Happy to say all children and Grands are happy and healthy! I have only had a few mins daily to read what’s going on and OMG! Am glad the 911 calls are in and wth is up with Baez and the phone calls? Can’t wait to see the transcripts – did he flack up again or is he playing games with the court and the SA?
Mr. S – thank you for putting a new commentary. Many of us look to you for your legal expertise over all others.
Just ran thru a few comments and a shout out to JudyPC – am so sorry for the issues you are going thru. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.
I know the DP has been talked to death and while I support it, I don’t think CA will get it. I think she will get LWOP and that it is OK with me. Cost us taxpayers less to house her for the rest of her miserable life than it does to execute her. Cold, crass and unfeeling, maybe, but after spending time with a newborn and a 2.5 yr old grandchildren, I don’t care.
Plan on being back in the States in 2 weeks, til then – TC and stay safe everyone…
Mr. Sheaffer,
Welcome back, and thank you for writing & letting us know what is happening in your life!
Question for you: I understand that a psychologist has been sent in to see Casey. Some speculate that the defense may be wishing to allege that Casey killed her child due to her lack of control over a sex addiction. To me, this seems ridiculous, and if I were on a jury, it would NOT help Casey one bit! I think the real reason she now has a shrink, is to prepare her to behave alright in the courtroom despite the high likelihood of her receiving the death penalty. I think Ms. Anthony will need long-term psychological intervention to make this spectre real for her. And, while the shrink is seeing her, perhaps more info can be gleaned to help her with the penalty phase.
Can you say anything about this? Do you have an opinion as to why a psychologist is going in there at this point in time?
Thanks so much for all the insight you share with us all!
Morgan, good to hear from you & glad you have enjoyed the time with adult kids & grand kids. Be safe on your return home.
I agree, I don’t care what verdict KC gets, LWOP or the DP, either will be fine with me, I accept which ever verdict 12 jurors decide. LWOP may be worse than the DP for KC because I would think she would continue to be isolated because she would be a “baby murderer,” something I’ve read that other prisoner’s are not tolerant of.
Which ever she receives, she will drive GA/CA crazy the rest of their lives, calling collect, whining for money, blaming them for Caylee’s death, cussing them, accusing them of being horrible parent’s, the ANT’s will “mentally do the time also with their miserable daughter,” imo.
Orange – I think we will see alot of the ‘disfunction’ of the family come out during the trial and IMO that’s where the shrink comes in. IMO the defense is not trying to convince a jury that she is not guilty, but that she murdered her daughter because of her family situation. Example being, Cindy held Caylee 1st, therefore, no bonding took place between Casey and Caylee. IMO that is bulldicky. Suck it up and get on with life is my motto, however, there are people, such as Casey, who will use this to thier advantage. Then there is that whole ‘they molested me’ and I didn’t want that for Caylee theory. This is not in print, but IMO will come out.
Art – TYVM! It is 2am in Berlin and I am wired for sound tonight lol.
Thanks for the post Mr. Sheaffer!!!! Love the witness protection line, we were wondering…
Morgan you should change your screen name to globe trotter! Glad you’r having a good time visting the babies.
LOL T2M – Wish I had more time here to see the sites, they are a blur on the Eurotrain!
Can’t wait to read the D Casey email and hear the phone recording….
Morgan, still sounds like a good time. I got a new grandbaby last week, but I only get to go 2 blocks to see him. wish the trip was a blur, same ole same ole. lol
I was wondering where you went in Japan, I was born there.
The last emails I read from D Caesy were strange, I expect these will be as well.
Congrats on your new Grandbaby! I wish mine were a few blocks away, certainly cheaper to visit and to send presents!
I was in Yokosuka. My youngest Daughter and Son In Law have been here for 12 years and love, love, love it. Was there for 2 weeks and did a few sites, but mostly spoiling the 2-1/2 yr old…It’s my job, I told my Daughter…lol
I am not a Cindy A fan, but…after 28 hours of labor and little Riley was born, my Daughter said, Mom, I am exhausted, you hold her for a while. I told her NO – this is you and Hubby’s time, I will have my time later. I can see where Cindy would step in thinking she was helping….It took all I had to not step in and tell them to rest and I would take care of Riley.
It’s about 4am in Berlin and the house will be waking to Riley’s hunger in a few hours. Have a great day everyone…hope to join the conversation on a daily schedule soon!
Mr. Bill, I loved to watch the Mr. Ed show!
I do have a few questions for you or maybe just your opinion.
I wonder if Bozo is WANTING those tapes released to try and confuse the jury pool?
I also wonder if Judge Perry and the Bar will wait till after this trial to take any actions so that it doesn’t disrupt this trial.
Same with Cindy and George, they will be prosecuted for obstruction of justice and other things after this is over.
Also, I’m wondering if Bozo is TRYING to get thrown off the case!
Sorry for all the questions but you’ve been gone tooooooo long!! I’ve missed reading your blogs !!
(Your definately NOT Richard!) You are very distingushed!
I would never buy the “bonding” theory. 30+ years later and I still vividly remember looking into the face of each of my newborns and there was no extended time needed to bond with them…..I loved each and every one of them immediately and it would not have mattered who held him/her first. JMO
Morgan: Glad your family is flourishing! Aren’t grands the best???? LOL
Frankie…
I agree !! Mine could have looked like notradomas and I would have loved them! It could have been a week later before I saw them and you still fall in love all over again when you see that sweet face.
(My daughter and hubby are expecting! (again) In Feb. she was pregnant and at 12 weeks the doc. said there was no blood flow to the fetus. So she had to have a D & C. It’s been very upsetting for all of us. Please pray that this one is ok! Thanks so much)
What is with all of the comments about personal travels and grandkids?
Bill made the effort to post a new article after he was asked and begged to and all of this personal chat is disrespectful of that and to the rules here.
THANK YOU Bill. I appreciate you refreshing us with a visit. I hope you will post again when bigger stuff happens and hopefully a good discussion will happen.
Knock-knock, hello? Lizabutt? Hi, this is about a murdered baby named Caylee. Stop stealing her thunder. Ok, byebye.
Mr. Sheaffer
Thank you for your article. We always want to hear from you. Thank you for taking your time.
Well, congrats to all the Grandma’s!
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I was not able to have children. I was very lucky and was with my friend 3X when she gave birth to her 2 girls and 1 boy (husband was chicken sh– to go in the delivery room, LOL!). I held her 2nd daughter and son BEFORE her, as she was getting stitched up with one and some other kind of problem with the other. So yeah, as far as “bonding” problems it’s a bunch of baloney. I think in Casey’s case she was and is a selfish little brat. What daughter would care about her MOM holding her baby before her? Only Casey. And she never got over that??!!
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taybos, some have people become “friends” on blogs and I personally don’t mind the extra chatter. This case IS about a 3 year old who was killed by her own Mother and I can understand talking about your children, grandchildren, and in my case, nieces and nephew, because when you look at their little faces and hold tham as babies OR 3 year old’s it is just incredulous, just mind-boggling that Casey could KILL Caylee. I have a n almost 2 year old niece and, not that I think about Casey Anthony 24/7, but once in a while while I am with my gorgeous liittle niece, Danielle, I have thought to myself how can ANYONE harm/kill such a little one.
With all that said, you (not you, but anyone) can just skip over comments that are not to your liking. I do sometimes.
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LWOP or DP? As long as Casey never walks as a free person, either one will do.
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I am still dying to hear the “compelling reason” Jose has said there is for Casey not reporting her child missing. I think we pretty much know how the prosecution will present their case. What about the defense??
taybos said, on August 5, 2010 at 5:50 am Knock-knock, hello? Lizabutt? Hi, this is about a murdered baby named Caylee. Stop stealing her thunder. Ok, byebye.
I don’t think anyone here cares what you think! If you don’t like it hit that BACK button! BTW I don’t think she (Caylee) has thunder where she is. Talking about children shows that there are people out there that would have been glad to adopt Caylee.
TY LindaNewYork. I agree with you. Lots of us have been here for over 2 years and have become close and actually CARE about one another. Unlike some we know.
I’m glad you have close friends children and nieces/nephews
There are so many other places for personal chatter. Thank you Bill for putting forth some discussion on this case. I, myself, do not like it clucked up with personal chatter that has nothing to do with the aforementioned case. Let’s keep it focused and on topic.
Thanks.
I, too, am so pleased Mr. Shaeffer has taken his valuable time to fill us in on some issues. One thing I am confused about, and it is lightly touched upon many times. Many commenters mention when a conviction comes down with a unanimous verdict of 12 jurors. Have I misunderstood Florida rules for jury convictions, in that I have read that it is a majority and not a unanimous decision by the jury. Like so many others, when I try to research these things, I get all tangled up in the legalize. First I think I understand what is written, then, when I reread it, it seems to mean something else. Guess I would have made a lousy lawyer.
muesli, Yes, I too forget if it is unanomous or majority. I know at some p[oint is was discussed here or somewhere but after 2 years of talking about this case, I forget!!!!My understanding is it is defferent in some states. I think in some states it may be 6 jurors not 12. I think I’m gonna check it out.
Linder, (that’s my Boston accent), good luck in checking it out. Just when you think you understand the Florida jury rules, the next paragraph seems to contradict everything you think you have understood.
muesli, I found this, which speaks to the DP:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Death+is+different%3A+the+need+for+jury+unanimity+in+death+penalty…-a0217771075
I am trying to put the right buzz words in my google search, hoping to get a clear cut answer. Someone out there must know. I do not seem to have the patience right now.
OMG, muesli, I have a HUGE group of friends going back to high school and as a joke, some call me LindER. That is so funny coz I will be seeing the one’s who call me Linder at my best friend’s annual summer party this weekend.
AND yes, I have been reading contadictory things. It almost looks like in a DP case in Florida the judge could overule a sentence and that it is Majority rules. But it seems I can only find sentencing info, not conviction. Like I said I think I just do not have the patience today and trying to find the easy way out:
Like I said I KNOW there is a very smart commenter(s) here that can give us the answer.
Thanks again for your wisdom, Mr. Sheaffer. You have the gift of clear, to the point communication and we are so lucky to have you (whenever we can). You can see how we all love and respect you, and we are always eager to watch the wftv interviews between Kathi and you. We’ve learned so much. The only question I can think of right now is, do you think the State would accept a plea (if casey asked for one) or do you see it actually making it to the trial? If you’ve already addressed this, please ignore.
If the State opens with the 911 call and closes with Jeff Ashton’s grim re-telling of Caylee looking into her mother’s eyes as she was dying, their entire presentation will be shocking (as the reality is). I don’t think it will take the jurors long to reach a conclusion.
I agree, Venice. The ONLY thing anyone should be saying to Mr. Kronk is “THANK YOU, SIR!!!” It is intolerable that anyone would be suspicious of him. Makes me crazy!
About the psychologist, I think I’ve read that they always involve a shrink in DP cases.
Hi Linda! This is what I remember reading (although I could be remembering it wrong). I think the jury has to be unanimous to find her guilty. But to sentence her to death it would take a majority of the jury, so seven jurors would have to agree that she deserves the DP. For God’s sake, anybody, if I’m wrong on this please let me know.
Autumn Leaf said: “All I can conclude from her argumentative comments is she is a worker bee protecting her Queen.”
???
I THINK (not positive) it must be a unanimous vote for conviction (guilt) but then there is another vote for punishment and that takes a majority to decide DP.
I disagree about personal discussions being irrelevant. This case deals with a mother and a child. In understanding interpersonal relationships better in general, we can better discuss how casey interacted with Caylee and her parents. There are many on this board and others who do not have children. Those people may value the information gleaned from others life experiences. Besides…..Mr. Sheaffer nor Craig has asked that no personal discussion take place. They have only asked that we not attack each other…..Hence, the title of the article….Discord or Discussion.
Sorry Bees…you posted while I typed LOL
Bees,
You are absolutely correct. In the guilt phase of a Capital Murder trial in Florida, it has to be a unanimous verdict of 12 to 0. During the penalty phase it only takes a simple majority, 7 to 5. Add to that, the Judge rarely goes against the verdict of the jury in the penalty phase.
Muesli & LinderNewYork, it is the “majority,” it is not unanimous for a conviction for the DP in Fla. . It must be at least 7 jurors’.
That was one of the thorns in Lyon’s side, in some States it is unanimous, so, if she could convince one juror NOT to vote for the DP, she could “consider it a win.” In Fla., her burden was to convince 5 jurors’, a difficult task in the heinous murder of an innocent child with an “unsympathetic defendant & family.” The pictures of Caylee will be heartbreaking, the remains photos will be graphic, & the party photos of the 31 days missing may get KC the sympathy she gave sweet Caylee from the juror, absolutely none.
Fed Up, I too must have been typing as you posted. I agree with you.
Hello and thanks, Bees. Hi frankie!
OK, so I guess some of what I found IS unamimous for conviction, majority for sentencing.
Oh, hi art and fed up. Looks like a few of us typing at the same time.
Soooo, majority to convict AND majority for DP or LWOP? WHY am I so confused? I have read so many different things goodling around with so many different States.
Oh wait, accordign to frankie, Unanimous to convict, majority for sentencing. LOL! I am usually not this bubbleheaded. LOL!
Bees, in reference to Kali Patti.
Autumn, aahhhhhh. I see. Thanks, friend.
Any news on when the interview will be released?
Actually I should give credit to all those who gave me the answer: Unanimous for guilt, majority for senentence.
I will be quite now (at least about this).
BTW, Cali Patti, I read the comment by BB as being insulting to bloggers/commenters at first too. Sometimes the written word comes off different than what the commenter really means. I am glad BB explained and cleared it up.
Kim, I read here or other blogs a doc dump for Friday. But not sure if the phone call is included. I thiink the great art tart may have mentioned in a comment on “What did the Supremes Mean”.
Thanks LindaNew York!!
More emails were published today.l I found this in one of the published:
“This email is intended for the exclusive use by the person(s) mentioned as recipient(s). This
~mail and its attachments) if any) contain confidential information which may be “Legally
‘ivileged” and/or may contain “Work Product”) information protected by “Intellectual
Property Rights” or others “Rights”. This email does not constitute any commitment from the
sender except when expressly agreed in a written agreement between the intended recipient and
sender. If you receive this email by mistake) please notify the sender) delete this email
immediately from your system and destroy all copies of it. You may not) directly or
indirectly) use) disclose) distribute) print or copy this email or any part of it if you are
not the intended recipient.”
So the State publishes them? How solid are ones rights? Mr Sheaffer, how come this is okay, is that not some sort of violation? As you are a lawyer, you will know. 🙂
Ina, I believe when it is part of discovery released in this, or any criminal case, those statements do not matter. The e-mails are part of a criminal investigation.
Where I worked I sent a lot of confidential e-mails and that statement was included at the end of every e-mail. So that statement is used at the time the e-mail is being sent in case it goes to a wrong e-mail address.
Ina,I know you addressed this question to BS, but hope you don’t mind me putting my 2 cents in here. If I am wrong I am sure someone will point that out to me LOL!
And remember Florida seems to be the only state that has this sunshine law where ther public gets to see ALL discovery from the State and defense. If this trial were here in NY, we would be in the dark as to what the Prosecution has discovered.
WOW, Ina you are up on things…I did not see the release/doc dump:
Go to WFTV homepage for the release of letters, e-mails, etc. But don’t see the infamous Jose jailhouse call.
OMG just reading Cindy’s letter (under mail fraud). She is talking about Roy Kronk and does believe the body is NOT Caylee’s. Saying police covering up for shoddy police work. She is a total nut job You gotta read it to beleive it-Talking about the police NOT searching Ricardo’s apt…..She just makes me want to reach out and slap her…OK, ok, ok…I will try not to let her getr under my skin and just keep shaking my head and laughing instead of ranting….sorry folks…
And she is calling Mark NeJame a sleaze…(I know I said I would stop, but I believe you all will be as annoyed as I reading Cindy’s letter(s).
Dominic Casey sure is a great PI, you know, e-mailing back and forth with a psycho, oops, I mean psychic. Is that what all PI’s do?
Yes, I am getting snarky reading this stuff.
The new e-mails…. seems like there is really about half what the total stated is. Most are copied 2,3,4 or more times. After going through them once, a few nuggets pop up. #22517: DC says “Would love to prove a link between Baez and Kronk”, WTH? He goes on to say that with Baez position in Naval Intelligience, might be a connection to drug trade. The fact DC doesn’t have much use for Baez seems to come out loud and strong. Another hinkey tidbit is about the reward and the memorial service cost. Makes it seem that a questionable guy named Peter {Pedro} Benevides #22501, footed the bill. Anyone heard anything about this guy? Poor DC, is also moaning about not being paid. DC goes on about Brad Conway promising him payment for security at memorial service {$20,000} but not getting it. Is there one honest human beoing in the whole mess.
Fed Up, I agree. I believe Judge Perry would respect the jury’s verdict. I wonder how big of an impression Cindy and George will have on them. Surely they will plead for the wretch’s life but if they show the jury the same swaggering, high-and-mighty, bossy people that we’ve been privy to, they might not care what the A. had to say when it comes to her sentence.
Doc dump? Really?!? BBL!
24, I just TODAY read something about a Peter {Pedro} Benevides on blogger news by Simon Barrett.
go here: http://www.bloggernews.net/120671
I have no idea how I ended up there. I was bored today after job searching and I think I went looking into Kidfinders and somehow ended up there. The “article” is from April 2009.
LindaNewYork, thanks for the link. It’s like every weirdo in the world has honed in on the bunch. lol Learn anything new at Kidfinders? Love to see the money trail on the group. Tried to find out how much George and Cindy and Lee are getting paid but keep running to road blocs. Post if you come up with something.
I can’t wait to read these emails on mail fraud, D Cassey/CA. Wonder if there are any love notes in them?
LINK for all that hass been released.
http://www.wftv.com/news/24527361/detail.html
hey BEES,24theroad, & LindaNewYork! I haven’t read the letters yet but I am already pissed from reading LindaNY’s comment about M NeJames being a sleeze! I have so much respect for NeJames, he knew KC murdered the Anthony’s & told them so, they were wanting him to LIE imo Later friends, thanks.!
24, when I searched for Kidfinders I just ended up there and didn’t go any further.
art, yes, the Cindy letters will definately piss you off, they sure p’d me off.
No love notes…Just D. Casey e-mails with suspicion on everyone but Casey.
WTH? From WFTV:
Casey Case Emails Show Plan To Sell Made Up Stories
Ya gotta read the article. From Casey to her family to the PI to the “Psychic” to Baez; a bunch of sleazy people interfering with LE to muddy the waters away from the one and only killer: Casey Anthony.
And Cindy having the gall to speak of Jesus and the bible….She should be ashamed of herself.
I cannot believe what I am reading…Dominick, Jose, Geraldo. Baez getting $200,000 paid directly to him from 20/20 and Dominick saying lawyers could get barred for that and Dom. wanting to play a trick on Baez….
What is wrong with these people…pathetic, just pathetic. ALL of them.
OK I quit for the night before I start flinging the F word and worse!
G’night all see ya tomorrow.
Linda, you’re right. At the end of the day, there are plenty of really bad people in this world, and this case has attracted more than just a few of them.
‘Night!
LindaNewYork, I can’t help reading all Cindy wrote as anything other than – Cindy desperately needs Casey – this could mean Cindy is so deep in guilt for not having done
things differently during Casey’s younger years, or that she feels so desperately alone herself. I see her writing as everything she herself feels about herself. I don’t suppose
you can figure out what I have tried to say, as a matter of fact I’m not sure myself. lol
Dominic Casey and his physic chick (cough cough) started laying the ground work to blame George in Sept of 08.
They have him as the last person to see Caylee & even provide a theory as to how he hid Caylee & ran Casey out of the house.
Dom goes on to inform that George being x-cop would know how to plant the DNA in Caseys car, how he could have planted the body.
He say’s he believes George is the one that “Knows” where Caylee is.
He explains to physic chick about George & Cindys divorce filing, and adds the reason was he believes Georges sexual abuse of Casey, then adds that Casey saw the way he was looking at Caylee, suggesting George was then abusing Caylee.
RE: “a questionable guy named Peter {Pedro} Benevides” 24the road, 4:00pm
Seems to have links to another fraudation, NeverLoseHopeFoundation, which also was involved with the Anthonys. Very unsavory character, also arrested on big time drug charges February 2010, http://www.docstoc.com/docs/26480338/Peter-Benevides-Arrested , fraud & racketeering as well.
LindaNewYork said, on August 5, 2010 at 7:24 am Well, congrats to all the Grandma’s
Thank you Linda, for all you said.
Taybos, whine all you like, we will discuss what we like when we like. Get over it.
The emails of Dom Casey are every bit as strange as I thought they would be, D. Casey should look into another line of work, I can’t imagine anyone would want to hire him after this. Actully, come to think of it, there are several people who might want to pick up the help wanted ads. lol
Judypc and all, I want thank you for discussing the doc dumps, e-mails, etc of today
i do not seem to be able to move the cursor efficiently to get thru it all readily so I appreciate picking up the info as you talk about all of it. Thank you
Stranger:
I am sure the doc’s will show up every where very soon.
From Dom. Caseys emails we also learned George & Cindy hired an agent to broker deals with the media, that Jokin Jose’ was in constant contact with Geraldo,20/20 & Greta, and according to Dom was selling info to ol pal Geraldo, there was even a plot to give Jokin Jose some wrong info to throw him off track with Geraldo.
Now, that we see the sexual abuse charges against ol Georgie way back in Sept of 08 and the thought that he may have been looking at Caylee in that aspect, I wonder if people still think was a bad idea to do a baby daddy test on ol georgie boy?
I swear this whole nest of rats need to be taken out to deep water on a leaky raft and left to sink.
I just wish the doc’s did not have so many dang copies over and over again, I just do not understand the reason for that.
Egads no wonder it was 2000 pages half of it is repeats.
T2M:
Mercy have you ever seen a more sorted bag of nuts?
A P.I. whose main link is some physic that tosses out every name in the Orlando phone book, egads they even suspected a doggie groomer!!
J.P Chat, Kio and Tony were sure drug through the muddy pool.
Have mercy, she had him all over the dang map, you would think after awhile he would have said look lady pick a spot any spot.
Had him go buy a bunny and carry it with him all the time so he could connect with Caylee and she would know he was one of the good guys.
What a bunch of loones…..
**talking2much said, on August 5, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Well, congrats to all the Grandma’s
Thank you Linda, for all you said.
Taybos, whine all you like, we will discuss what we like when we like. Get over it.
** frankie said, on August 5, 2010 at 9:46 am
I disagree about personal discussions being irrelevant. This case deals with a mother and a child. In understanding interpersonal relationships better in general, we can better discuss how casey interacted with Caylee and her parents.
Besides…..Mr. Sheaffer nor Craig has asked that no personal discussion take place. They have only asked that we not attack each other…..Hence, the title of the article….Discord or Discussion.
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HERE….. let me help you. In case you forgot, weren’t here then or are blatantly ignoring this, let me refresh……..
Craig posted this article back in January because things were going askew……
Rules For Commenting On This Blog
Posted in Latest Posts by craigatwftv on January 12, 2010
From Craig Mazer on behalf of the Sheaffer/WFTV Casey blog:
Things have really gotten out of control on this blog and it risks ruining a really good thing. So, this is a FINAL WARNING.
I have asked for people to post appropriate content and to play fair. That isn’t happening and it’s frustrating both myself and Bill Sheaffer. If you’re a fan of commenting on here, it’s on thin ice.
Comments should be about the Casey Anthony case or in response to Bill Sheaffer’s post
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craigatwftv said, on January 12, 2010 at 5:22 pm
I’m just trying to get rid of the profanity — but more importantly, I want to try to focus things. The blog comments had completely stopped being ABOUT THE BLOG OR THE CASE. That’s what I want. But please avoid profanity. The examples you gave in your first sentence don’t bother me.
Dominic Casey could be looking for a cookie theif and follow trails of cookie crumbs everywhere and anywhere and even though he knows that the big blue goofy looking monster named “Cookie Monster” is sitting in the chair in front of him is MOST LIKELY the culprit, yet he just stares at the ground looking at and following the trail of cookie crumbs encircling Cookie Monster. Was this guy getting paid? I saw in one email he mentioned he hadn’t been paid “YET” but I wonder if there was a plan for him to be paid in the end somehow. Maybe the stipulation was that he had to find an “alive” Caylee in order to be paid. Aside from maybe actually caring about her, he had some monetary incentive to find her alive. Cuz he seemed pretty damned adamant that he was going to find her alive, and by no one but him.
BEES KNEES said, on August 5, 2010 at 9:29 am
The only question I can think of right now is, do you think the State would accept a plea (if casey asked for one) or do you see it actually making it to the trial? If you’ve already addressed this, please ignore.
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I know you weren’t asking me but I remembered he answered this in his Q&A article. I don’t know if it answers your exact question though……
QUESTION: Also, I’d like to ask, with this new defense team do you think they will try to convince Casey to go for a plea? They have never wavered so far in saying she wants her day in court and she’s innocent – Deb S.
BILL SHEAFFER: As to possible plea offers, competent criminal defense lawyers would not close the door to plea negotiations with the State. However, in this case, I do not believe a resolution by way of a plea is likely. One reason is that this is a circumstantial evidence case that lacks a “smoking gun” or a confession.
JudyPC, I can’t believe how off the wall those emails are, I see Dom Casey spent all his time and energies on finding Caylee and the nanny..right! lol Can’t say I blame JB for not paying him. Goodness, he couldn’t find a missing letter in a cross word puzzle.
I think at this point, it would be easier to list who HASN”T been blamed.
Taybos, I have no doubt that if craig has a problem with talk of Grandbabies and travel he is perfectly capable of saying so. Let him moderate please.
First of all, please allow me a moment to thank you, Mr. Schaeffer, for taking the time to share your expertise with us, as it pertains to matters of law and the Casey Anthony continuing saga.
As you will allow me, I have a comment more than a question regarding Roy Kronk. I don’t quite understand the verbiages of some who yet suspect that it was Kronk who deposited Caylee’s body in the wooded area in which she was found. Just this morning, on another blog, it was suggested that the area which Kronk chose to relieve himself is even suspect; the suggestion being that he deliberately chose that spot having already planted Caylee’s remains there.
To me, and meaning no disrespect to any of differing opinions, the mere thought is absurd, especially considering the fact that after discovering what he thought to be suspicious, Mr. Kronk informed authorities not just once but three times, fully expecting his suspicious find to be investigated thoroughly, which we now know didn’t happen.
As I recall one of the officers who responded, following the last call made by Kronk, was fired for having failed to find Caylee’s remains which were exactly where Mr. Kronk said he thought he’d seen something. A skull like object. We should be heralding Mr. Kronk’s persistence, rather than holding him suspect for the abduction and murder of Caylee. But for him, we may never have found Caylee and justice might never have been given the opportunity to be so well served.
I thank you for your time, as well as for this forum.
Hunter
Hunter, I agree with you, and if Kronk had anything to do with Caylee being in those woods, he would have been home free, no one would ever have suspected him, why call police? For the $5000 reward? When you consider this defendant has spent nearly $300,000 defending herself, it doesn’t balance out.
Then there is the question of how he would have come in to contact with Caylee in the first place, as well as getting his hands on the items found with her, including the rare duct tape which he would have had to place back at the A’s home so Geo and Cindy could use it to hang fliers with. I can see no way Kronk could accomplish all of that and not get caught going in or out of the house.
The person responsible for Caylee being in the woods had to have access to the home several times.
OK, so after a good night’s sleep I am now finding D. Casey e-mails laughable. Talk about making amountains out of molehills! LOL! Is this what PI’s do? Hope not. He/they have named everyone in the state of Florida as “suspects”. LOL! Caylee being moved from here to here to here…OH NO, Ricardo’s sliding glass doors are OPEN in the MIDDLE of the day. Unbelievable.
PA1234:
Benevides has been one of those shady sadie’s from the start, seems he falls into the ranks of a con man, the whole connection to Kid Finders and setting up foundations was a pretty good way to reach into peoples pockets.
Seems I recall a couple of months ago he was arrested for fraud after conning some folks out of some big time cash.
T2M “Goodness, he couldn’t find a missing letter in a cross word puzzle.” EXACTLY.
Georgia, North Florida, South Florida, NY, PR, SC, NC….Aruba, Jamaica, oooooooooh I wanna take ya…….
Waht a bunch of nutjobs.
Hunter, I agree with your comment, outrageous & laughable are the schemes the defense/D Casey have dreampt about Roy Kronk. Kronk never received $5,000.00 for finding Caylee from LE, they said he “didn’t call CRIME Stoppers, he called 911, so he was not able to receive it. M NeJames, who the “Christian CA now calls a TROLL, (wonder what kiind of church she attends?), gave Kronk a $5,000.00 reward because NeJames said, “we wouldn’t have Caylee if it weren’t for R Kronk!” The $5,000.00 was the amount of money friends of the Anthony’s pooled together to get M NeJames to give the Anthony’s advice, HUGE WASTE, as CA was going to spew propaganda with Caylee sightings, lie, etc. on National TV trying to “control the information.” M NeJames “dumped the ANT’s after CA called J Morgan an ambulance chaser.”
After KC’s remains were found, M NeJames finally spoke up about the Anthony’s saying that he told them, of the Millions of people on this earth, only their daughter knew where Caylee was.” imo, the Anthony’s have proven to be as “self destructive as their daughter.” For all the sympathy she feels for KC, why hasn’t CA felt any sympathy for little Caylee, murdered, dumped in the woods just down from her home, decomposing in a bag?
In one of CA’s letters, she wrote KC that Baez said KC could write her but he would have to read it first. Why is Baez “so afraid of the exchange of information between the CA/GA & KC?
Sorry, not awake yet, I meant to say, “after Caylee’s remains were found!”
Mr. Sheaffer:
First and foremost, thank you for carving out time in your busy schedule to blog insightful commentary/quasi editorial.
Per the recent doc dump, I speak for myself in saying, “Shock value is a major understatement”. The lengths et al have gone to tamper, obstruct, an investigation is unequivocally abhorrent.
The obvious thread here, is the commonality of the players. No shame, no moral compass, and nothing screams louder than “Deception”.
General consensus ~ everyone attached to the case will be prosecuted, it is my fervent belief as well. Baez, may very well be setting the scenario for an appeal, but perhaps the monies will be best served for his own defense.
Art, lol. Troll is one of the kinder words the Anthony’s have used to describe NeJames. Slime, comes to mind from the docs. Of course their idea of a “class act” is the deadly Milstead duo, and that calamity of a PI (Personal Idiot) D. Casey, who was still trying to figure out who parked the Sunfire at Amscot, AFTER Casey admitted to having done so. One has to wonder how it was that Dominic Casey missed all of that.
Regarding why is Baez so afraid – allow me to ask you, might it have something to do with the allegation of sexual abuse?
Baez is hard pressed to make a victim of Casey, above and beyond Caylee. It just seems to me, then, that he would want to avoid, at all costs, whatever situation might arise where George or Lee might deny the charges she’s made against them, and especially in written form, which would become known to the public.
Were that to happen, her word and what charges she’s made would be meaningless, for the liar she is so well known to be. The public, as well as a potential jury, would be more sympathetic toward George and Lee, and the defense cannot allow such a thing to happen. The last thing Baez and Mason need is for Caylee to be the one and only victim, here.
I tend to think that it is for this very reason that Casey will allow no one to speak to the jail’s Chaplain. She doesn’t want what lies she’s telling, denied, denied, denied.
These are just thoughts, and I am wide open for suggestions!
Hunter
Kate! I so love the last line:
“Perhaps the monies will be best served for his own defense.” LOL
One more comment than I’m off to work.
In my most humble opinion, the entirety of their lives has been nothing but a made up story.
Good day to you all.
I am hoping the release of the DC letters is a precursor to the release of his investigative interview. ;>
Hunter: I totally agree with you. Mr. Kronk should be commended, not reviled! The actions of this circus troupe will dampen the spirit of volunteering for decades. People will be afraid they will be vilified in a like manner. How much pain and suffering will this cause? How can this one family cause such chaos? How long will the State of Florida put up with this blatant abuse of the law?
OT: The tan turtle will not be getting my vote! This case has riveted the citizens of this state and he had not addressed it at all!
Just wanted to share! BTW: Yes, I know it is off topic and I am sure I will hear about it…but then, I really don’t care!
Judge Perry denies all death penalty motions!
Great Post Bill,
Discourse or discord? How true. What is the topic of discussion? Is it Kronk or D.Casey?
Kronk was motivated to find Caylee, not to relieve himself. Fact. He did it for the reward money. He mentions this to LE when they ask him if he talked to anyone else about what he thinks he found in August. [Caylee] He says “no way, not with a $300,000 reward”. He tells his son Brandon that he’s going to be a hero, he knows where she is and he’s going to get her” Money will help him get his son Brandon’s attention.
That within itself doesn’t make him the murderer but if you add his background as a violent individual who’s used duct tape on a girlfriend raises questions.
When I think about Roy Kronk and WHY he found Caylee, it tells me who he is. No better than D.Casey.
What I think about OCSO
not following through,
leaving her body there until there is absolutely no forensic evidence to examine,
they set up a tip line which doesn’t respond to a possible discovery of a “corpse” found close proximity of Hopespring Drive.
Was Kronk ignored by OCSO? Was the timing not right because Suburban Drive was searched before? Excuses, excuses. It’s not hard to believe that this is a possibility. Outrageous!
I don’t know Roy Kronk, none of us do. So how do we assume to know that he is violent and has used duct tape on an ex-gf? Because she says so? He says he didn’t….why do we choose to believe her over him? Why is it so unbelievable that a 50 something year old man had to take a leak…in a hurry? Ever hear of prostate problems and urgent bladders…particularly in males over 50? He did talk to someone else…LE. They sent a duly licensed officer out to check, he didn’t do so. They fired him. Why in the world do we think LE is infallible? They have human employees…some do their job diligently, some don’t. They are protected by unions and cannot be arbitrarily fired. When authorities had proof the officer failed to do his job, he was canned. How in the world do we translate all this into Kronk must have killed Caylee???????
http://discussions.orlandosentinel.com/20/orlnews/os-casey-anthony-perry-orders-20100806/10? motions denied. (got this through BAB btw )
Frankie I thought I better put a link to go with the news 🙂
So this means Baez must go and another laywer has to do the case? He is not qualified to do dp cases?
Frankie,
We choose to believe because he had this expunged from his record. Why do we choose not to believe a woman he dated and feared him. Other wives feared him too.
I choose to believe her. That’s my choice and you have yours, right?
Kronk’s motivation came from his own words in the taped interview from Dec 17, 2008.
I didn’t make this up. He said it. That’s why I choose to believe him.
frankie said, on August 6, 2010 at 12:57 pm
They sent a duly licensed officer out to check, he didn’t do so. They fired him. Why in the world do we think LE is infallible? They have human employees…some do their job diligently, some don’t. They are protected by unions and cannot be arbitrarily fired. When authorities had proof the officer failed to do his job, he was canned. How in the world do we translate all this into Kronk must have killed Caylee??
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I didn’t translate that he “must” have killed Caylee. I did translate that OCSO is capable of making mistakes, “the human factor” as you stated. Truth of the matter, they MAY have made other mistakes as well. With this in mind, I choose not to believe everything they report as fact. OCSO and the FBI have made mistakes. The OCSO’s BIGGEST one is muffing the discovery of a murder victim. The FBI muffed the DNA evidence when Lorie Gottesman contaminated evidence. Coincidentally there’s another sample of DNA that is unknown. It’s partial and is said it cannot be identified 100%. I choose to believe the DNA found on the duct tape belongs to the killer.
Does it belong to Casey Anthony? We’ll never know.
Hunter, Kate, art tart–great comments!!!
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No surprise ALL of Baez’s motions have been denied.
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Sorry, JB no matter how you slice it, there will be no reasonable doubt big enough to find Casey innocent. Not even Kronk’s ex-wives.
No Ina, Jose can stay. Cheney Mason is DP qualified. Just one of the defense team has to be DP qualified. Andrea Lyon was DP qualified also but she was there just to get the DP off the table. She failed and bailed out.
I continue to be amazed when supposedly learned individuals who have inserted themselves into this case say something as stupid as the State has to prove her doubt beyond a shadow of a doubt. It is guilty beyond a REASONABLE doubt. After all, little green and purple men from Mars could have murdered Caylee, but that is not REASONABLE. Get a grip …. cheese&crackers!
HI LNY! 🙂
theJBmission ————————— glad you’re back!!! Appreciate your comments!!
As far as I know Kronks ex hasn’t given a depo to the State yet has she?
I do know she has been avoiding it, I think she hesitates to do so because she doesn’t want to be bound by the statements she has made about him. This is the woman who emailed him to congratulate him on finding Caylee, then turns around and tells the defense PI plenty of gossip on tape but not under oath.
I don’t trust her.
Hi Frankie!!! I am amazed as well.
Yes, the operative word is “reasonable”. Based on all I have seen and using my intelligence I find it reasonable that Casey Anthony is the one and only killer of her daughter.
I know I am going to sound like a broken record, coz I say it all the time, but she will be convicted on the CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE more so than any forensic evidence, in my opinion (I have to say , IMO that so no one thinks I think I am an expert). BUT with that said there are many a murderer convicted on circumstantial evidence alone.
I know people have point out errors of the collection, etc. of forensic evidence in this case that is felt it leads to “reasonable doubt”, BUT that does not mean it is/was done with the intent to “cover up” or purposely contaminate or purposely mislead. UNLIKE, oh say, the entire Anthony Family and the defense team with the lies and their deeds to PURPOSELY MISLEAD those investigating a murder investigation.
I have faith that those in LE and the FBI are ethical and truthful in their investigation of the murder of Caylee Anthony. And that their investigation led to the one and only suspect: Casey Anthony. I mean I surely cannot beleive that they did NOT investigate Kronk and all of Casey’s friends. I mean, c’mon. They are professionals, not PI’s like the bumbling D. Casey, et al and the preposterous theories as outlined in his hundreds of e-mails.
Ok, on a lighter note having some pina colada’s with my neighbor’s.
LNY and t2m: The voice of reason reigns! LOL I agree with both of you.
I just took a quick look at the recent doc dump. Am I missing something of any importance because the emails and letters seem to have no relevance to the murder.
Since they were released, obviously the defense or State requested them. I’m wondering for what purpose??
Linday,
It may seem like a slice-job now, but depending on what avenue the defense or State takes, it may all be quite relevant. The Kronk saga has to be more relevant than the Casey’s personal letters and Cindy/D.Casey emails, in my opinion.
oooops, Linday = Linda
It’s a constant error when I type da- I want to type day. Sorry about that.
t2m, Jill Kerley was scheduled in February 2010 by the STATE.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-02-12/news/os-casey-anthony-jill-kerley-kronk-20100212_1_roy-kronk-caylee-marie-anthony-kronk-s-attorney
frankie, & another thing about Roy Kronk, his ex wife, Jill Kerley is a “CONVICTED FELON!” LOL! KC + Jill = 2 Convicted Felons. In addition to Jill being a convicted felon, she stole a “prescription pad & helped herself to her drugs of choice!” Her Nursing License was revoked, she is sick so perhaps she hasn’t tried to get it reinstated or she could be on probation.
In a previous article, Mr. Sheaffer said the STATE can ask Kerley about her “felony conviction if her testimony were to be allowed in.” She was married to Kronk for 4 months, my guess is that Judge P will not “allow the testimony in.” jmo. LOL! If she is, the “vetting of this witness will unearth more of the same as we already know, jmo.
Hi Yo-Hola!!
Long time, no read!
Frankie said,
“BUT that does not mean it is/was done with the intent to “cover up” or purposely contaminate or purposely mislead.”
Sgt. Allen doesn’t exactly have a stellar reputation. Considering this is the biggest, most publicize murder case in Florida history, I would think anything is possible concerning “cover-ups”. No LE officer wants to be labeled a donkey in this murder investigation.
So yes, I think cover ups are possible.
frankie said, on August 6, 2010 at 4:45 pm
LNY and t2m: The voice of reason reigns! LOL I agree with both of you.
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I agree as well! Common sense is exactly what the 12 jurors will use to return KC’s verdict. imo, the broo ha ha is just that! Ha! Ha!
Kronk has been “vetted by the State/LE/ & M NeJames I would assume since he gave Kronk a $5,000.00 reward. NeJames, it still irks me to think now that CA has found religion she calls NeJames a TROLL & sleazy when NeJames told the Anthony’s exactly what was up with their daughter & that she could tell them exactly where Caylee was. NeJames’ MOTIONS are so well written, they continue to make Baez look like an attorney on “training wheels,” & that’s the very least of what Baez!
Kronk called 911 instead of calling “Crime Stoppers” who was offering the reward, so KUDOS to NeJames for being a “stand up guy & rewarding him” imo.
Fed Up, imo, Lyon’s was “fed up” with the morons, Baez/Mason she was working with. imo, Lyon’s told Baez months earlier to find another “DP Qualified Attorney” because she was leaving. Wonder what Lyon’s thinks of Baez “lying to Judge P.” Probably the same as the rest of us.
Speaking of “stellar reputations, Baez & D Casey have the reputations as the “biggest morons on the internet!” Jeeez! KC deserves a “competent defense, it’s too bad that she is stuck with Baez that he is willing to lie to Judge P to save face & now we will all hear him “accept the collect call from jailbird Lunceford, she even reminding Baez it was being recorded, Judge P even reminding Baez you could hear it in the recording in the MOTION!” Lunceford’s rant will be entertaining as well as hearing Baez’s lies, yet again.
LindaNewYork, KC’s life is on the line, but I never hear the bleeding hearts for KC whining that she needs a “Credible Defense Team” that doesn’t continue to act like idiots, continued failed motions, making fools of themselves while being interviewed, confused, forgetful. KC deserves a zealous defense, not what she is “burdened with.”
It would seem the “bleeding hearts for KC would demand a better defense” but hey, KC imo, has gotten exactly what she deserves.
Thanks art tart, the last I heard of Jill was when LDB was saying in court that she and her lawyer weren’t working with her on giving a depo.
Now that it has been mentioned, Jill’s conviction is one of dishonesty. Fraud wasn’t it? Bad checks or something.
This is alittle off topic from what is being discussed but I read some of Cindy’s letters and she has a very unhealthy relationship with her daughter…I KNOW, BREAKING NEWS RIGHT? LOL
I just don’t understand why she tells her daughter that people who don’t believe her are brainwashed, it would be so much more helpful to her daughter if she were to be honest with her for a change.
Like saying, I love you, I always will but people don’t believe you because you have proven yourself to be a liar. It isn’t the cops fault, it isn’t the media’s fault, you have put your self in this position. If the cops really are setting you up, you have made it pretty easy for them.
To me, being honest with her would be so much more loving than what she is doing.
OK, getting off the soap box, you all know this already anyway. LOL
Humbly, and with all due respect, Casey’s own statements rule Kronk out.
Admittedly, Casey was the last person to have seen Caylee alive. Admittedly, Casey was the last person to have had possession of the car, in which DNA evidence was found of a postmortem event. Admittedly, Casey abandoned the car at Amscot, and that’s just scratching the surface of the numerous evidences against her.
In order for it to be even remotely possible that Kronk had something to do with all of this, he would have had to take the car from Amscot, take possession of Caylee from a non-existent nanny, kill her, dump her in the woods, then return the car to Amscot. And if that isn’t unlikely enough, there’s the matter of the duct tape, which wasn’t just any old Henkel brand, but a relatively rare fire resistant brand, that was also found on George’s precious gas can. So unless Kronk’s X can come up with an exact match to that …. the mere thought isn’t worth entertaining, in my lowly opinion.
It is my sort of humble opinion, that Judge Perry is not going to devote more than 15 minutes to the matter of Kronk and his former marital problems, because they are just not relevant to this case. He’s not murdered anyone. There’s no real evidence to support a theory of the abusiveness he’s been accused of. All there is, is a whole lot of hearsay from a disgruntled X and a former girl friend.
What he had to say to his son, about becoming famous once he found Caylee, doesn’t make him suspect. It makes him a father who may have had an inkling as to where Caylee was, and who may have been looking for a pat on the back from his estranged son. He wasn’t the only one looking in the wooded area by the way. There was also that former classmate of Casey’s who went traipsing back there and found a bag of clothing and various stuffed animals that he presented to Cindy. Remember that? I forget his name. No matter. Cindy refused the bag, so the guy informed LE who sent an officer out, and as I recall the officer tossed the bag back into the woods as though it were nothing. Kronk’s actions are no more suspect than this. That’s my take on it, anyway.
Hunter
Talking2Much, put wheels on that soap box and I’ll race ya!
No. I’m staying off topic. Casey does deserve competent defense attorneys. I have my doubts about Baez; but I don’t think we’ve seen a true representation by Mason, because thus far, Baez is calling most of the shots. I suspect at some point in time Mason will tell him to sit down and shut up! We’ll see, won’t we?
I meant, I am NOT staying off topic. I am done for the night though. Have a good one!
Hunter, the logistics are “ridiculous” to believe Kronk could have anything to do with Caylee. Val hal did an article on what all “would have to go right to make it possible for Kronk to have anything to do with Caylee” & there just wasn’t anything. I am sure Baez would like to say that Kronk was Zanny but the reality is, she never existed only in KC’s lies.
This is a good video report & it also showed the ridiculous interview in which Lyon’s was saying, “he took off the day before Caylee was found!” She was talking & spewing propaganda on the TODAY SHOW, the VIDEO report shows otherwise.
Also included are the PDF’s showing exactly where Kronk was.
http://www.wesh.com/news/24541306/detail.html
The problems with Baez pointing fingers & blaming is that just about everyone has an “alibi, most people work, they have friends, they date, they go to dinner,” ONLY KC doesn’t work & doesn’t have a single alibi! LE imo, has filled in most of her timeline, who will they blame next? Besides “Gas Can George,” even GA had a job on the last day Caylee was seen.
There is no possibility of connecting Roy Kronk with the actual crime of killing Caylee, but
there still is a window of his disposing of Caylee’s body for Casey if they find anything at
all that indicates he ever knew Casey or had any previous contact with her. Anyone ever
give a thought that Casey just might step up and tell one last lie and point the finger at
one of several, like Jesse, Tony, Roy, George, Lee. What harm would it do her to give
it a try. Getting back to Kronk, who was that person who had inside jail information and
supposedly told him where the body was. So much has happened over so long a time.
Hard to remember.
Kronk knew Caylee was there, he said so himself to a witness before she was actually found. He knew! Had he seen something? Zuben found out he was in the area at the time of her going missing.
Why was he payed by the State for being a witness? Has anyone else been payed for that?
Which county in South Carolina was it that he had to face a grand jury because of charges that he had kidnapped his former girl friend? I am told that it has to be something alright, they don’t put you for a granf jury over a lover’s quarrel.
So many questions.
Off topic but funny:
I just read the thread before this one and I noticed the gravatar of Sir Lunch al lot. LOL. I knew it was ss from the stuff she said. He denied it then. Why use a different nick if you use your own gravatar?? Why pretend to be female on one blog and a man on another?? Weird.
Ina — where did you see SirLunchalot?
Defense hack Lie buster:
Kronk was NEVER paid by the state to be a witness.
There is no PROOF Kronk was “in the area” when Caylee went missing….
And yes they don’t put you before the grand jury over a lover’s quarrel, that is why Anthony faces the DP upon a conviction presently….in Kronk’s situation, the Grand Jury, unlike Anthony, found no cause to charge Kronk with anything at all where Anthony is charged Murder 1, among other serious charges.
https://billsheaffer.wordpress.com/2010/05/07/bill-sheaffer-answers-your-questions/ over there Yo. I suppose the gravatar popped up when he/she commented recently as ss.
RS: just about Kronk being in the area: Zuben found in the docs that he was there because of his phone trace. Read JBMission there he explains it all. 🙂 My English is not good enough.
Kronk Reality Check:
Kronk was not the last person seen with Caylee, her mother was.
Kronk does not have a vehicle with Caylee’s decomp hair in the trunk, her mother does.
Kronk does not have a vehicle with coffin/grave wax and coffin flies in the trunk, her mother does.
Kronk does not have a vehicle that 2 cadaver dogs alerted on as well as a detective, her mother does.
Kronk does not have a residence where cadaver dog alerted in the back yard, her mother does.
Kronk repeatedly dialed law enforcement to attend to what he believed he had found, her mother never dialed 911 even once to report what she later claimed she had lost, a little tiny girl named Caylee, never a thought or care at all about something precious lost, compared to monumental effort by a man over what he believed he had found.
yeah, my English she is not so good, so I won’t go to links for fear of not comprehending since my English she is not so good..
I might post something that looks like defense hack stuff if my English were truly bad but I post away
What is your problem RS? Others can explain it better, so I refer to them. Casey didn’t have a car at all, now did she? The last person seen: by whom? Kronk has a rapsheet of former violence issues. Casey never had. Etc.
I don’t give a link, but just google JB’s blog. 🙂
From jb: “Doc pg. 20389, “On June 10, 2010, I received the cell phone records without cell tower
information. I obtained a court order the following day specifically requesting cell tower
information. From June 15,2008 through June 30, 2008 Roy Kronk’s cell phone hit one
tower northeast of Hopespring Drive on two dates; June 18, 2008 at 0706 hours and June
20, 2008 from 14:57 to 15:15 hours. On both occasions, Roy Kronk worked from 0700-
1500 hours. Note that the cell tower is approximately 1 mile due east of where Roy
Kronk worked in 2008. 4937 Hopespring Drive is approximately 2.3 miles southeast of
this same tower therefore a phone call placed from Roy Kronk’s workplace could hit the
same cell phone tower as a call placed from 4937 Hopespring Drive.” ”
I hope it is okay to put this here. I think it is something important?
Scuzzi, my English she is not so good, so I cannot comprehend the question….
I have the other question, I try to explain but ,my English, she is not very good..
Why they don’t dial the 911 when the car she is picked up at the tow, she smell like a dead body in there but the 911 is not called?
Why they don’t call the 911 when it at the home smelling so bad, how you say in English, garage….why they don’t call 911 for hours and hours….
Do the Kronk have a dead body smell in his, how you say in English, garage? No
Do he have, how you say in English, dead smell in his, car? No
do the Kronk fail to dial the 911, like the Anthony? No
Do the Kronk have a rap sheet of 6 felony conviction, like the Anthony?. No, he have no felony conviction, no rap sheet, is defense hack lie, yes
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/04/casey-anthony-wftv-looks-at-countys-paying-meter-readers-legal-bills.html a link.
Jeez your English could do with some studying, RS! 🙂
http://wdbo.com/common/pdf/orlando/caseyanthony05182010a.pdf another link, the deponents, it says here Amy Huizenga was also deponent (?) yesterday, as was Kronk? Those dates are not correct perhaps? Just put it here, as there is a whole list up to September.
JBMission and other KC fans….
You would have to tie Kronk with the Nanny. Because KC admits leaving Caylee with the Nanny and that hasn’t been done.
Kronks misfortune Jill has an attorney that has been dodging the State for over 6 mos. So no they haven’t gotten to do her depo. MHO is they will find out when they do that she lied. Also might find more questionable info about Baez.
And the MAIN reason for conviction is that she didn’t report Caylee missing to ANYONE for 31 days. Even after 31 days she still hasn’t reported Caylee, her child missing. Her mother reported it. That alone is enough in my book to fry her butt. I would flip that switch and inject her in a heartbeat.
Ina, what’s with this question: “Casey didn’t have a car at all, now did she?”?
The answer would be YES, Casey had a car, whether or not the car was in her name is a moot point, because it has been established that SHE is the only one who drove that car, and the only other key was in the possession of the Anthonys. May I ask what your point was?
My point was it was not her car.
Lizabutt you are a dangerous person if you really mean to kill people.
It doesn’t matter if it was her car. SHE drove it.
And who else?
Did anyone see Casey put Caylee in the trunk? Did anyone see her bury Caylee in the woods? Did anyone see her kill her daughter? Did anyone think she was dangerous to her child?
George, WHEN HE PICKED IT UP FROM THE TOW YARD! And the stench was already in it. Ina, you’re trying to point fingers at others, where there is NO proof anyone else had driven that car.
Those are just assumptions. It maybe true, but it may be not.
It is not enought to convict a person for first degree murder.
Just because there isn’t much, if any, physical evidence, doesn’t mean that Casey didn’t commit this crime. All circumstantial evidence points to Casey, and Casey ONLY, and you nor anyone else will EVER convince me otherwise. And I’d venture a guess here and say that 99% of people posting on this blog won’t be convinced either.
Ina, ignore them, they are mean people and mean people suck.
If you guys don’t like what Ina says, then ignore her. It’s simply pathetic how some of you gang up on her, you RS are a bully.
Linda, art tart and all the others who take the time to be nice, I appreciate it and I’m sure Ina does too.
As far as the doc dump is concerned, bring on the lawyers, as NG would say, someone is going down for all the lies. Thanks to everyone who is here for Caylee.
I haven’t been ugly to Ina. She is allowed to have her opinion too. But I don’t have to agree. I was just pointing out that the 31 days missing with no report says it all to me.
Sunny, I’m not being mean at all. Sorry if you feel that way. We all have the right to have an opinion, even if it contradicts what someone else thinks, and we’re allowed to disagree if that’s the case. Simply put, I disagree with what Ina is saying because it’s already been attested to, by several people, that Casey was the ONLY person who drove the Sunfire, besides the day that George picked it up from the tow yard. It’s obvious, she is grasping because she is unwilling to believe what’s already been printed in black and white. Not my problem, and she’s got a right to her opinion as well, but don’t expect people not to pick that theory apart.
Furthermore, that is the entire point to a blog…being able to discuss a difference in opinion.
As soon as I made my post I saw yours Mix and I was not referring to you. I was upset with the tone of RS’ posts. It’s mean and I should have aimed my comment at her. I am very sorry for lumping you in. Anyway, I am not the Mod and I should have kept my thoughts to myself. It reminds me of playground bullies. And for the record I don’t agree with almost everything Ina says but she tries to be polite.
It’s ok, Sunny. Simple misunderstanding. There are a few here who get snarky, call names, etc…but the majority of posters here are pretty nice.
Liza, I scrolled up and not to check up on you, just to make sure I wasn’t offending you, I didn’t see any comments being mean. I like the one you directed at Taybos though. That person is mean too, only comes on to make comments on others’ posts. And here I am doing the same thing LOL. I’m sorry. RS’ comments struck a nerve today. Again, I apologize.
Glad we cleared the air Mix. I am wondering if DC DID do the interview with the state. I sure hope he has a come to Jesus moment. It’s disgusting how many have let down Caylee.
Sunny,
If your “nerve” was struck by the content of a post I did, here is a suggestion, don’t read my posts, simple, no need for whining drama.
I’m anxious to read his depo, if he has done it. I think he holds a lot of answers, and in order to save his own ass, he just might throw ol’ Cindy under the bus. Looking into his emails yesterday, IMO it showed that he knew where the remains were, and that means someone in the Anthony camp told him. Wonder if it was the bozo, or Cindy via Casey? Either way, if he is truthful in his depo, he’ll put the final nail in Casey’s coffin, so to speak.
Mixologist74, are you talking about the “creepy little man,” D Casey? imo, he holds most of the remaining “answers the STATE is looking for.” The investigative deposition was set for 12-16-09, but when it was abruptly canceled, then a few months later D Tennet (sp?) filed that her work “was completed w/D Casey.” I speculated that possibly the investigative deposition was done without Baez, & that possibly Tennet secured “full immunity” for D Casey in exchange for everything he knows.” Judge Pirro said over a year ago that “D Casey would be charged with obstruction,” he hasn’t & time is running out. He isn’t scheduled for his investigative deposition so I am hoping it’s done. Due to the “exceptions in the SUNSHINE Law, information too prejudicial to the defendant can be with held from the MEDIA/public. The defense would receive the information but not us.
imo, I speculate that KC told D Casey where “to look for the remain site when he visited KC with Baez,” meaning client/attorney privilege. KC could have easily told him then where to look for Caylee.
All the points are correct that everyone made about Kronk, he is no way was involved with murdering Caylee, dumping the remains for all the reasons stated & there are more. imo. Since we know Jill Kerley is a convicted felon, nursing license provoked, Jill K couldn’t hold up to “vetting her own criminal career.” imo, the STATE may well have this information & will ask her in more detail. B Sheaffer said she could be ask about being a “convicted felon” in a previous blog.
Ina, Scott Peterson was convicted of far less than we know, operative word “know,” we don’t know everything & will not see it until the Trial such as the “death video” etc. I PRAY the Defense doesn’t BEG FOR A PLEA for KC, she deserves to sit in that Court Room & listen to what the STATE knows connecting all the dots about what she “did to Caylee, so do the Anthony’s & those that want to point fingers at anyone else. The STATE will convict on the “totality of the evidence as been said a hundred times over.”
I think RS’s post was funny and I LOL as I was reading it. I’m sure that RS would not have posted the same if she/he thought Ina was actually struggling with speaking or comprehending English. Learning a new language is commendable and I’m personally envious of people who speak more then one language.
English may not be Ina’s first language but she is fluent in English and only throws in the “me speaka no English” when it suits her. IMO it’s a cop out when she doesn’t have a response to people who challenge her statements.
I’m still reading the e-mails and must say I’m appalled. D. Casey, Ginette and Lucas are demented, cruel, sick people.
Scott Peterson was never executed, though, In 2005, Peterson was sentenced to death by lethal injection. He remains on death row in San Quentin State Prison while his case is on appeal to the Supreme Court of California. He maintains his innocence. He will be out in a few years I suppose.
Pointing at others, but everything points at Kronk being involved. More so than the mother even? Should that be ignored just to have a case closed, or should it at least be thouroughly investigated?
only in the minds of defense hacks and anti-death penalty people does Kronk look like a suspect.
nothing points at Kronk being involved, not a thing..
and for the deliberately ignorant acting or would that be devious, Kronk was looked at by LE.
another pathetic tactic by the defense hacks is to offer as though Kronk was not looked at once he came forward.
Well the defense hacks (whatever that means) and the anti death penalty people might be in the jury.
Oh, I forgot: they can’t be against the dp. They have to be for it to be in the jury.
in 1968 :” Jurors can no longer be dismissed because they oppose the DP. The Supreme Court rules this unconstitutional in a review of Witherspoon v. Illinois. To bounce an anti-DP juror, prosecutors must now show the juror cannot make an impartial decision towards life or death because of their beliefs.” from a site about the history of the dp in the US. But I suppose this rule was reinstated?
Well, I’ll tell ya one thing, if I ever find myself having to relieve myself in the woods and I find a dead body–I ain’t telling no one!!!!! Because if I do, I may find myself as a suspect in the murder of that dead body.
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JB, I’ve said it before and I will say it again, NO not everything the state releases will be relevant as evidence that Casey murdered Caylee. But the state HAS to release every thing that they have looked at while investigating the murder of Caylee Anthony or they will be guilty of holding something back.
I agree the new doc dump may have no relevence to the murder trial, BUT ipieces of it just MAY, concerming D. Casey and the fact he seems to have known where her body was prior to Caylee being found.
I am the one who said “BUT that does not mean it is/was done with the intent to “cover up” or purposely contaminate or purposely mislead.” Not frankie.
You pointed out that Sgt. Allen does not have a stellar reputation. Well, neither do Casey, the Anthony’s, Baez, Kronk’s exes, etc. And there is more evidence that THEY are the ones involved in a “cover-up” of the murder of Caylee Anthony. Show me evidence of the officers, detectives, FBI, “covering up”.
Some of the Casey fans as someone upthread called them seem to be of the same thought process of “If it doesn’t fit, you must aquit” and because someone used the N word, OJ didn’t kill Nicole Brown.
I do understand, JB that both you and Ina do not believe that Casey killed her daughter and that is boht of your opinion’s. But I think at this point we are certainly at a stalemate! LOL! Neither of us will ever convince the other because whatever argument the Casey Is guilty people give, you, et al will dispute with your reasons and whatever the Casey is NOT guilty people argue will dispute with theirs/mine. Total stalemate.
From what I see, when a defense attorney ahs not solid proof of their clients innocence, there is finger pointing hopefully to plant reasonable doubt.
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Ina said, on August 7, 2010 at 9:11 am Did anyone see Casey put Caylee in the trunk? Did anyone see her bury Caylee in the woods? Did anyone see her kill her daughter? Did anyone think she was dangerous to her child?
It would be wonderful if all murders were able to be witnessed or have it vidotaped. No one SAW Joran Vandersloot kille those two girls, no one saw the Manson murderers kill all those people, no on saw Diane Downs shoot her children, no one saw OJ kill 2 people, etc. Murderer’s do NOT want anyone to witness them killing someone! So that is why these things go to trial and the prosection presents their case and the dfense defends it, and a jury figures out wher the truth, innocent or guilt lies.
On a side note, regarding your above comment, One thing I DO agree with is that I do not think anyone thought she would be a danger to Caylee, as far as killing her.
(on another side note, Ina, there really was no reason to mention ss here, no reason at all. I think most are over it here and there is a blog to discuss it elesewhere!!)
OK, hope I made sense, still a little fuzzy from those yummy pina colada’s last night. Got a big annual BBQ to to to today. I am getting to old for a 2 nighter of drinks and friends (will be taking a axi home tonight!).
OMG-sorry, look how freakin long my comment above is…
Scuzzi, my English she is not good enough to comprehend a supreme court ruling in English of an English speaking nation…
the depths of deviousness some hacks go is just laughable….
so scuzzi my English, she is not so good…but at least terrytsk can make out my meaning, no?…LOL
Awww, c’mon RS. At least pick on someone coz you don’t agree with their views. Not for this. It seems to just be going out of the way to be mean.
Linda, there is absolutely no proof of anyone doing anything wrong EXCEPT Baez, none, just something to argue about, we have seen it over & over, IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE! Ever wonder WHY those that seem to criticize LE aren’t “screaming for KC to have Competent Attorney’s?” imo, that’s KC’s biggest problem to minimize her verdict, her defense team forever making embarrassing outbursts in interviews, poor decisions, failed Motion after failed Motion, Baez stooping to lying to Judge P., the list is endless. imo, Baez already looks defeated, his zealous attitude of defending his client doesn’t seem to project anymore. Maybe it’s now that the money is gone, he is working for free, losing his home due to foreclosure. NOW KC is “really the CEO of her own Corporation,” just like GA told her.” She is so self absorbed & narcissistic, Mason/Baez will never talk her into “beginning for a plea.” (it would certainly save them tremendous embarrassment.) Mason said in an interview, before he was part of the defense team he thought KC would get “life without parole.” What a mouthpiece, you gotta love his continued contributions.
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Has everyone seen the contract between GA/CA & D Casey? LOL! You just can’t go wrong with dirt bags like the Milsteads signing as witnesses. I hope the Ant’s are “sued to pay his bill,” & notice that DC agreed to be paid on “contingency!” All that “future money the Anthony’s plan to bilk from little Caylee’s murder!”
Click to access 49548343.pdf
Sure Linda, right after you commence to posting in Dutch apologizing for your lack of fluency in Dutch.
If you really think there is an English comprehension problem with that one, I have swamp land to sell you.
I get what you are saying, RS. I know sometimes someone feigns at not understanding the English language. I should have minded my own business.
Now, where did you say that swamp land is? Coz I just bought a bridge. LOL!
I just don’t feel to secure on a lawyers blog, that is all. I never speak English in rl. All I know is what I hear on tv and read on the web. I don’t feign, I just don’t have a large vocaulary. Working on that 🙂
Vocabulary. Anyway. There are people who think the same, and who can make intelligent arguments how come. But even if Casey is guilty, this whole dp thing is out of proportion, it should never have been asked. Now I am of doing stuff so I won’t bother you anymore.
Ina, we constantly remind you that in Fla., in this country in many States, there is a death penalty. KC thought she was so smart, she should have committed “murder in a STATE that doesn’t have the DP if she didn’t want to face it,” then, you wouldn’t continue to question it.
The problem is, she did. Nothing anyone thinks of the DP really matters, pro or con, KC will face 12 jurors with the DP as a possibility, our opinions do not change anything, on the Verdict KC receives will matter. Continuing to argue or complain about the DP in this country doesn’t change anything, you know that I bet. That is WHY I am saying, it’s too bad that KC doesn’t have a more competent defense, so many mistakes were made before Lyon’s became part of the team & then left. Too late T Lenamon was dismissed by Baez, a DP qualified attorney, Ina, with his experience, he probably could have prevented this case from getting where it is today.
Why aren’t you concerned about KC’s defense, do you feel her life is in good hands as far a representation with Baez & Mason? imo, Lyon’s didn’t think KC’s chances were good, if she really wanted to defend KC, “she could have figured out a way to stay on the case,” as Mr. Sheaffer said in an interview. Too many mistakes were made before “KC had competent defense, now she is gone.” Why doesn’t this bother you?
I believe in the DP, I accept whatever Verdict the Jury of KC’s peers deem fit, it is their opinions & only theirs that will decide KC’s fate. LWOP might be more punishment for KC, then hopefully she wouldn’t get endless appeals & we would be rid of her like Scott Peterson, Andrea Yates, Susan Smith.
Get rid of. Yes it is a sort of Endlösung I suppose. Now am I the only one who gets upset when I read that?
No, Ina, you are not the only one that feels something reading that. It is like getting rid of the beast as in getting rid of someone else when I may not recognize that same beast in myself. In this case, I am appalled that more is not considered regarding Casey having a mental issue. DP in my estimation was issued to hastily, without consideration of her own admission, long before the murder of Caylee, that she needed help. This saddens me when I read about her lack of emotion, she did not care about Caylee, all the horrible things she is when she herself recognized there was something wrong with herself, she did cry out for help, yes she did! Others are fully accepted after murder as having mental instabilities, but mums the word on this one. Beats me? Anyone who murders their/a child must pay the consequences, I totally agree, but why they came to do the act is important too. I agree with an opinion of Andrea Yates, as sick as she was determined to be, did premeditate and murder her children one by one. As cold and calculated as can be. That is 5 to 1! and I truly believe Casey is as much in need of mental consideration as Andrea Yates ever was. Whatever it may be called. I guess the state Andrea was in did not have the DP. and she certainly had consideration of her mental state. I am not entirely against the death penalty, I just believe it was given to Casey to readily, without proper examination and determination. I believe Casey has had an underlying condition a long time. i still believe Caylee’s death could have initially been accidental, Casey panicked, perhaps went home and tried to handle it all by herself. I believe all those phone calls to so many, on the 16th, she was desperately looking trying to reach someone to state what happened and reached NO ONE! From there on she went into a state of denial, disbelief, and the lies were a state of un-conciousness of reality. Let me end this by saying I do not uphold any act of murder under any circumstance, but people do have unsuspected conditions that differ from what is termed the norm. The norm? What the hell is that?
@ Linda, I find your response to be a tad bit over the top in the snarky department. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, “I don’t ask a question when I don’t already know the answer”
JB, I’ve said it before and I will say it again, <- I asked a question to make a point. Obviously, it went over your head. I find it "laughable"
JBMission and other KC fans….
@ Lizabeth: Is this suppose to be some kind of insult? Or would you have rather said, you must NOT be for Caylee. This is so lame. Don't be afraid of another person's perspective. 90% of America feels the same way you do. We're all aware of the "31 days" It's not a news flash.
Here's a good one: And I won't insult this person by saying "laughable"
Do the Kronk have a dead body smell in his, how you say in English, garage? No
My respoinse:
Kronk"s car blew up remember. Let's get "kronked" 😀 <- I'm being laughable.
Why does the state want to pull up D.Casey's emails?
Answering my own question:
Because he's a private investigator for a family who thought OCSO wasn't doing a good enough job. It was to embarrass Cindy and ADD more tabloid gossip in order to convict Casey in the court of public opinion. This is solely my opinion.
And so is this.
The Kronk saga has to be more relevant than the Casey’s personal letters and Cindy/D.Casey emails, in my opinion.
What I find laughable is how so many like to use "the operative word"
That's JB all the way baby!! It's good to see people use it considering it came from such a tupid person like myself.
Looks like some people woke up on the wrong side of the bed. Geesh!
Carry on..
“From there on she went into a state of denial, disbelief, and the lies were a state of un-conciousness of reality”.
I wonder if you meant to use the term into a state of disassociation or perhaps delusional? I googled un-consciousness of reality. See below.
http://ezinearticles.com/?Non-Consciousness,-Consciousness-and-Unconsciousness&id=4137277
In our three dimensional reality awareness gets reduced to either non consciousness, consciousness or unconsciousness. In the non conscious state we sense the world through our bodies. Every cell in our bodies is a receptacle for millions and millions of pieces of information streaming in from the environment. It is total awareness of everything going on at every level possible in the human including the spiritual or soul level. It includes the five sense stimulation but none of the other inputs are overwhelmed by physical sensing and no sorting or discarding of information takes place. Only intuitive sensing is taking place and sureness of situations and surroundings is all that is known”.
It appears we’re back to the ugly coping strategy. Not surprising when we consider the recent visit by a psychologist who specializes in disassociation, sex abuse, etc. (I can’t think of his name).
To me it’s clear that anyone who murders or tortures is mentally ill. That’s a given. What makes Casey’s mental illness any worse then the others. Of course I should add that I personally think she’s a psychopath and she premeditated the murder of her own daughter. You think it was an accident. Neither one of us will be on the jury.
What is the norm? It is not a murderer.
Stranger, the sad thing was, T Lenamon wanted to explore those possibilities of “mental issues” & would have probably worked with the State professionally, not going to National Media smirking, lying, spewing propaganda when the State has had to “suck it up & watch KC/Baez/her parent’s profit from Caylee’s Tragedy.” While it is sad that more wasn’t explored on KC’s behalf, you only have Baez to blame with his whole 3 yrs. of legal incompetence to blame, imo. Ashton’s description of Caylee’s last moments on earth bring tears to my heart & I have no sympathy for the murder that robbed her of life. KC had a life, Caylee had a little over two & 12 years.
There were many other avenues to explore but gosh, Baez was sitting on $200,000.00 & he was “not willing to act in KC’s best interest in having an experienced Criminal Def Attorney & DP QualifiedAttorney act in KC’s best interest, ” he thought he knew it all with his ridiculous 3 years of experience. Baez wasn’t willing to SHARE any of KC’s MONEY, it wasn’t his, nor act in her best interest. I am outraged at how Baez has managed this case from the beginning, now it is too late to make better choices, KC has said she is satisfied with her defense, so be it! imo.
Stranger, there were absolutely better choices & it is terribly sad that better decisions were made but it can’t be changed now. I ask Hornsby once if Baez believed KC’s lies at the beginning due to his lack of Criminal Experience & probably told KC all they had to do was create reasonable doubt” & Hornsby said “probably.”
You will finally get to hear KC’s underlying conditions at the end of her trial, INSTEAD of being explored in the beginning at the suggestion of a “T Lenamon.” Could also be another reason Lyon’s left, common sense.
“What I find laughable is how so many like to use “the operative word”
That’s JB all the way baby!! It’s good to see people use it considering it came from such a tupid person like myself”.
JB Mission, Wow!!!! Do you really think you coined the term “the operative word”. That is old as the hills. See below. Every dictionary and thesaurus lists it.
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/the+operative+word
Hello all ……………… I do not read other blogs/opinions — I do read legal aspects…….. and no matter what …. I do not believe Kronk did little Caylee in……… but …. I believe he is CREEPY …… BUt , my sense it….. he’s not just a guy who needed to pee………… too many odd things … its a gorgeous day in the North East ———-
Yo hola, I agree, he is a “peculiar man,” kinda goofy looking & probably doesn’t have much personality. imo, the Defense won’t bother with pointing fingers at Kronk at trial, Hornsby said, “you can’t just accuse someone of possibly being involved or the murderer, you have to back it up with facts.” This is something the Defense is unable to do.
I posted a good video report KRONK showing Lyon’s on the TODAY Show blaming Kronk because he had no alibi the day before Caylee was found. Well the PDF’s have all been provided, exactly where Kronk was, again, the Defense looks foolish.
Yo hola, here is the link if you are interested. Lyon’s is on at the very end, she was on the TODAY Show, it shows the clip.
http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/24541306/detail.html
Terrytsk, No doubt my use of a word trying to describe a state of mind, could be off.
I did not run about and look anything up, and I will take any criticism of that you wish to give. I hope it is not read to excuse the actual act of murder, I would never do that. I was trying to come to a realization that people with mental conditions are treated differently or not at all. Some recognized, some not. and that is a shame. I do consider
as pointed out by others, the act of Andrea Yates, REPEATED act, as she watched her children die, and was not moved by it, and is considered mentally unstable. the act itself is as deplorable as (is/was) that of Casey’s. to say. I am not an expert in any field of mental disorders, don’t give a sheet! This is a blog of opinion and I really do not mind being reprimanded. Of course murder is not “normal”, premeditated or other. That is my point, I sure hope I did not say murder is “excusable”. I’ll go back over what I wrote.
Thanks.
Yo hola said: he’s not just a guy who needed to pee………… too many odd things
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Yo hola, gosh, what do you think of the 31 days missing, KC’s lies, KC/Baez profiting $200,000.00 by selling KC’s memories, only in America can you murder your child & then sell memories to sell to pay an “inexperienced attorney of 3 yrs?” Gosh, what did KC get for $325,000.00 except failed Motions? KC’s pictures & behaviors, a convicted felon X 6, gosh, then her parent’s step in for their Whirl Wind Propaganda Media Tours for Profit, living off their murdered grand daughter, apparently they think for the rest of their life. They signed a contract with, D Casey, another “bird of a feather like the Millstead’s” to pay him on a contingency. I never see you comment on “any of this appalling behavior the public has witnessed, I have never heard you comment on any of the laughable jail house videos, , does this seem normal to you, but yet you question Kronk possibly having to pee?
I find it laughable that those that whine about KC on this blog never comment on any of the facts in this case, KC’s behavior, anything I listed above, I guess you would rather blame Kronk & point fingers, LOL, the rest of us “understand the game” & have bored with you.
I have never gotten past how sorry GA/CA/LEE are for not demanding Justice for the only VICTIM in this case. That, imo, IS WHAT IS NOT NORMAL! I am still waiting for the whiner’s to say, “I wish the Anthony’s would DEMAND JUSTICE for little Caylee,” that will never happen as their agenda is to argue, ignore the fact, & whine about factless information.
Stranger, too, the DP has been debated on this blog ad nauseum, it has been pointed out that the State of Fla. has the DP, 12 jurors’ will decide KC’s fate. Most of us refuse to get “sucked into this debate especially with Ina although I certianly think she is entitled to her opinion, she knows it sparks debate. Ina has a blog so I wonder if she contines to beat the dead horse there.
surely there is a blog site more sympathetic to KC facing the death penalty & more importantly, for those that continue to complain, join one of those blogs & try to change the laws. This is not a forum on the DP. It is MOOT here.
Before I do other good things today, I want to make sure I conveyed the thought that
Caylee’s death COULD have been initially accidental, uh, parental neglect and feeding of
sedatives which built up in her little body, etc. Also, if anyone can give me the answer
to phycopath. Is it acquired, genetic, evil, enjoyed, how do we come to be a phycopath? is it something we can help or not help from having, I mean are our wires defective or not. Is it something we want, or is it something that is with us and we can’t do anything about it, not even knowing what we are and see everyone else as NOT NORMAL. etc, etc. I can not put myself above God and make HIS judgement call. Facts are facts, facts can also be lacking, I would think thoughts and opinions are acceptable, at least until the JURY hears and speaks, delay comes from the actions of the attorneys and the judge, not the people. So, why is it wrong for people to think and express their thoughts. Whiners? No whiners here.
One more thing please. If it can be determined that Casey walked out of the house with
Caylee on the 16th of June, 2008, WITH DUCT TAPE, GARBAGE AND LAUNDRY BAGS IN HAND. A BOTTLE OF CHLOROFORM or whatever else determined used in the demise of
Caylee then I will never again consider there could have been a non- perceived accident
while in the hands of her mother. If she had all that with her at that time. YES, SHE HAD PRE-MEDITATED THE MURDER OF HER BABY.
I was not chastising you on terminology. I googled it to see what it meant in psycho-babble lingo. I culdn’t find a reasonable definition and then assumed you meant delusional or disassociative.
My comment, “To me it’s clear that anyone who murders or tortures is mentally ill. That’s a given. What makes Casey’s mental illness any worse then the others” was a valid question. If Casey suffers from an undiagnosed illness besides the defense teams previously stated “ugly coping” how is she any different then all of the other murderers who also suffer from “ugly coping” or any other undiagnosed mental illness. You know the one that makes them murderers. Maybe ugly coping is their mental illness. The prisons and death row are full of “ugly copers”. No doubt. And I’m not trying to be confrontational BTW.
Kronk turned in a complete paper trail of his daily activities, showing where he was the day Caylee went missing, where he was the day before her found the body, his phone records for the time frame of Caylee’s last seen date until after the body was found.
How many of the Anthony’s have accounted for their whereabouts ?
Answer- Not a one of them.
Stranger what if she killed her in the house?
Premeditation doesn’t necessarily mean she had been planning a murder for a certain length of time. It only takes a mere few seconds to decide whether you’re going to murder someone. So IMO, whether or not Casey left with all those items doesn’t really matter, in the grand scheme of things. The only way we’d ever know if Caylee’s death is accidental would be if Casey confessed and took the stand, which after 2 years is most likely NOT going to happen.
Ina, there is a reason that it takes many years to execute a person after they’ve received the death penalty. Obviously, they give the convicted person time to file appeals, etc…to make sure evidence that might have proven said person’s innocence hasn’t been over-looked, etc etc etc.
Didn’t the Anthonys also refuse polygraphs?
Stranger, if you “google Casey Anthony + Psychiatric Disorders,” there have been tons of articles written by professionals giving their opinions on KC’s mental health. Most of the opinions have been based on jail house videos, KC’s interviews with LE/Behavior during the 31 days missing, stealing, Lying about Zanny or even having a job & known family history. . Some look at the family dynamics as KC & CA share some of the same characteristics. Controling, lying. I LMAO when I read that LE ask R Pleasa if CA had some of the same characteristics as KC, LYING! LE knew what CA was about from the first few days & saw the lies she was willing to tell for KC.
Most of them opine that KC is narcissitic, we even know that, she has all the characteristics, & suffers from Border Line Personality Disorder which goes by other names as well. Neither disorder are eligible for a “mental health defense,” but sadly, the Anthony’s never “chose to get KC help during later teen years when it seems her lying escalated, stealing escalated, her juvenile record was sealed so we will never know that, but KC needed intervention by CA, a nurse, during those years. It was something “CA couldn’t control, lie about, or fix,” sadly, imo, it’s too late.
It’s sad to me to see CA LIE to KC in her letters to KC, blaming other’s & claiming they are brainwashed,” is it entertainment for the public as CA knows the letters will be made public & just another way to spew propaganda, or is it more of the “excuses CA has made for KC all of her life, even now!” CA/GA/KC all need to take responsibility for who they are, the lives they’ve led, the dysfunctional home little Caylee lived in until she was murdered. imo, there will be a book written about the “mental health of the Anthony family,” sadly too late for all of them it seems as not a single one of them seem “capable of taking any personal responsibility for anything.” The Anthony Way: BLAME OTHER’S, no need to be responsible. imo.
mixologists, Of course because Lee told them too. There wasn’t a chance in hell they could pass a poly, CA still trying to LIE about the 911 call. LIARS can’t pass poly’s.
The Anthony’s could have done so much good for Caylee, they chose to lie & defend KC at the cost of their precious grand child. I have no sympathy for them.
judypc, I posted the Link for the Video Report & the PDF’s for those that want to argue about Kronk for Yo Hola, I’m sure those that won’t even bother looking at or watching the video, they would rather “invent conspiracy theories about Kronk or anyone else they can blame.”
Mixologist, I agree, they say premeditation can happen in the snap of a finger according to Lisa Bloom, but, imo, I think Caylee’s murder was premeditated, I hope the STATE shows us that in the Trial.
imo, you don’t cover a child’s airways so they can’t breathe & then want to whine it was “premeditated.” Thank GOD KC was SO STUPID to leave that Duct Tape where she put it, Caylee has had the last word with both CA & KC!
Wonder if Dumb & Dumber were sent to the remains site to “remove the duct tape, plant evidence, or take Caylee to a spot & bury her so deep she would never be found.” That makes a lot more sense than dreaming up Kronk stories, hey, we saw the VIDEO of D Casey/Hoover! B Sheaffer said ONLY PEOPLE could have sent Dumb & Dumber there, KC/Lee/GA/CA/Baez!
Stranger:
I hope this helps answer your question.
Psychopathy is a personality disorder.
Being a psychopath does not mean the person is insane, a psychopath simply said, has
no feelings of guilt, remorse or responsibility, no concern for anyone other than themselves.
Surprisingly there is a very large number of psychopath’s living among us, and for the most part you would never be able to point them out, they can be very likeable, persuasive, and cunning.
Most of the millions of psychopaths out there aren’t murderers.
They are the neighbor next door, our friends and co-workers even our lovers, husbands and wives.
The one factor that differs from say you or I, is a psychopath has no conscience, they come from all walks of life and there is little evidence that their upbringing affects them.
(1) They are habitual liars, seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything.
(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism, they believe they are special not at all like the rest of the human race.
(3) They scapegoat, they are incapable of accepting responsibility for anything they do,whatever the problem, it is always someone else’s fault.
(4) They are very vindictive when exposed.
(5) Morals, or other values play no part in their lives., they have no empathy for others and some are very capable of violence, without so much as a blink of guilt.
art tart:
I think some of the old timers can tell you I have never been a big Kronk fan, there is just something about the guy that when you look at him you get the sense you would not like him, now, having said that, one must look at Fact verses Fiction and the facts simply support that Kronk was nothing more than the poor unlucky shmuck that stepped into this mess with both of his dang big ol feet.
He found the body and that put a huge bulls eye on him from the defense.
Fact is he can not be linked to Caylee, he can not be linked to the car, the items found with the body, the Anthony’s, or any of the other circus members under the big top set up by Team Casey.
judypc, I agree, Kronk does appear a little weird & creepy & I don’t know a lot about him except what has come out in the Media, I am grateful he found little Caylee as M NeJames has said. We don’t have to like him as you point out, I certainly agree he cannot be linked to Caylee, & I find it puzzling that there are a few that want to question Kronk but are satisfied with KC’s ineffective defense. imo, the Kronk issue will become less of an issue as soon as the Defense can find someone else to point fingers at.
Judypc, is that definition also the definition of a sociopath? I think the two are alike, but wasn’t sure what the differences were between them. Unfortunately, if the above definition is for a psychopath, then I have one in my life. My bf’s ex fits this description to a T.
Hey there Judy, mix & art! Is somebody here actually saying Kronk is guilty? Unbelievable. Two simple words tell me that he is innocent and Casey is guilty.
Common. Sense.
When I see bloggers working soooooo hard to ignore Common Sense it makes me very suspicious. Why are they doing it? We all know Casey killed Caylee, even the ones that are pointing a finger at Knock. They know it as well as we do. I’d love to know if they’d allow Casey to take care of their little babies. You know if they said yes they would they’re lying. So WHY are they trying so hard to convince us when we all already know the truth?
Judy! There you go with those pesky FACTS again. Don’t you know that some people have absolutely no interest in facts?!? Some people just do not like facts, preferring make-believe instead. Can’t you just tell us a story and make Kronk be the homicidal maniac? We don’t care if it’s factual or not!!!! Pleeeeeeeze?
mixologist74:
Most people would be very surprised at just how many people defined as psychopath’s there are in our daily lives, very often we are unaware until we have become their victim in some manner, be it simple theft, spousal abuse, cheating mates that seem unaffected by being caught.
It is only after you have been wronged that most people begin to see the patterns, even then, we sometimes fail to fully comprehend the extent of the other persons personality disorder.
We tend to think only of the Ted Bundy’s and Charles Manson’s as the psychopath’s and over look the ones often staring us in the face.
Most of us however, can look back an recall someone in our lives that fit’s the pattern, they can be very charming, outgoing, and very smart, yet the ice in their veins if known long enough will by and by set off the red flags.
art tart, I don’t believe I conveyed anything against the death penalty itself, I was comparing mental disorders. well not comparing but trying to determine what the difference is in one mother killing her children and another. One is acceptable as being ill, the other not. The death penalty, whether in Florida, or anywhere else as far as I am concerned, if the law in that state or country, is acceptable to me, BUT it isn’t that it can be used or not, for me it is if it is used properly. I feel it was determined in Casey’s case too soon. Now please don’t make me feel like I don’t belong here because I mentioned it. Whatever has transpired with you and Ina that you find annoying, is none of my business, but that gives me no reason to not mention Death Penalty. As much discussion readable material as there is most of it is said over and over and over. art tart. I am an American born citizen, I am not against our laws, but i think every citizen should have interest in how our laws are applied and I as well as you, I have a right to discuss them politely and with whomever we choose.
Well Bees, I guess I could come up with a story about how Kronk is really Zanny the nanny, but golly how do we make him a 10?
I mean makeup & hi-heels can only do so much, and I’m sorry Roy Kronk even in the best drag queen get up would be hard pressed to be a 2 much less a 128 pound hotty, with perfect teeth.
Sorry Roy, your no 10 dude….. 👿
Stranger:
The definitions of insanity for the courts use is did the person at the time know the difference between right and wrong?
It is common thought that a person that attempts to hide their crime in fact knows the act was wrong, a truly insane person will not understand they need to hide the body or lie to cover the crime.
Where one mother that may be suffering with PPD for instance does not understand the act she committed at the time was wrong, she believed God wanted her child, or she was protecting her child from demons.
Where the Susan Smiths cold bloodedly dispose of their children because they just do not want them in their way any more.
By in large a plea of insanity or mental defect is harder to pull off than people might assume.
It is really a lot more involved than just saying I have mental issues, personality disorders are not acceptable for a case of mental defect.
And very early on Team Casey said “she has no mental issue’s”
So for them now to do an about face will be very hard.
Judy, I don’t really feel like you tried too hard (Kronk/Nanny). LOL!
What. Ever.
By the time it gets to court it will be somebody else anyway. Besides that, EVEN THEY KNOW Kronk is innocent. Ha ha ha. They aren’t even going to do anymore with Kronk, I bet. All they had to do was plant the seed. There’s a fool born every minute so they’re just playing the numbers, praying on a long shot. But what else can they do other than throw their hands up and say, “F*CK MY LIFE!!!” They’ve got NOTHING else.
Judy, “I mean makeup & hi-heels can only do so much, and I’m sorry Roy Kronk even in the best drag queen get up would be hard pressed to be a 2 much less a 128 pound hotty, with perfect teeth.”
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JUDY!!!!! That’s dangerously close to EYE RAPE!!!! Tread carefully.
Judy, have you read, “Snakes In Suits” dealing with psychopaths in the corporate world. The authors tell us, spotting a psychopath isn’t easy, and state that “a clever psychopath can present such a well-rounded picture of a perfect job candidate that even seasoned interviewers” can be fooled.
I’m talking to myself now. ‘Night!
JudyPc, I sincerely appreciate your discussion on the difference in mental disorders as it applys to these particular three. i your brief and thorough observation I feel well informed
and better understand. Thank you
stranger, my point, no matter what anyone thinks of the DP, it is an option in KC’s case, it is applicable in Fla. That is what I was trying to convey, I like Ina, she doesn’t live in this country & is against the DP which is her choice & I respect that, but the regulars on this site that blog regularly have discussed & debated the DP in this case ad nauseaum. I was surprised to see Ina bring it up yet again, most of us were hoping that the discussion was over.
imo, I trust the STATE, their case, & their decision. When the STATE made the decision to put the DP back on the table, it was for a reason. If you feel differently than the LD Burdick & Ashton, whom I feel are excellent Attorney’s & have all the facts, information we have not seen, that is certainly your choice & opinion to make. We are not “privy to all the information in this case but will see it all at trial. imo, it didn’t really matter when the DP was put on the table for KC, it will be the STATE’S burden to prove the aggravating factors.
Now Bees, you said nothing about Treading carefully, you ask for a story, any story lol.
Hey I may be a writer, but egads mate that was putting me on the spot.
Stranger:
This case brings out everyone’s passions, and just when you think you may have some sense of understanding, along comes yet another twist.
Being lay persons it is difficult for us to understand the laws involved, how they are used differently in other states, and what to us seems open and shut.
And the death penalty adds yet another point of contention to this already frenzied case.
While I am not always in one box or the other where it is concerned, it is the sharpest tool in the legal system and it must be used with care.
I do believe if a person is guilty of a murder that involves a child, the elderly, or the handicapped they do deserve to face this penalty, as these are our most vulnerable citizens and we should do all within our power to protect them.
To say none of us truly understand Casey’s state of mind is not an understatement, and the circus tent that went up from the word go has made it even more difficult to get a true sense of how all the puzzle pieces fit together, I wonder if even after the trial we still will have a few missing pieces.
Yet we try to figure it all out, and yes some do come along just to poke you with a big stick and smack you down, just remember opinions are plenty, everyone has a pocket full.
Enjoy the site and welcome aboard.
judypc, entertaining as always! Excellent contribution you made on “mental issues” & the law. The problem I have in this case, is that Baez didn’t even want to explore it when T Lenamon wanted to. Though KC wouldn’t qualify for an “insanity defense,” which I agree is very difficult to achieve, T Lenamon was looking for explanations as to KC’s behavior & of course the 3 yr. attorney didn’t want to, after all, he would have had to spend some of KC’s money. T Lenamon, imo, possessed the maturity & experience to have approached the STATE on KC’s behalf, & worked out some type of plea where she wouldn’t be facing the DP she is looking at now possibly.
Do you know anything about “Temporarily insane?” I was watching the movie, “A Time To Kill” from John Grisham’s book & the Defense was trying to float “temporarily insane” as a Defense. Do you know of any cases in recent years this has been successful? I guess I can see where a person could be overwhelmed with rage & possibly kill someone for “sexually molesting or murdering their child.” I think years ago, some of these cases were tried with this defense & succeeded, I hardly hear of it anymore. Just wondering.
art tart, Thank you for your response, I do understand. What I don’t understand is, when you speak of “regulars” here! It indicates that any newcomer is not to bring up a subject that has been discussed to a dead end. This is the way it is at another blog, the host is inviting and informative but the long time clan of regulars choose to attack or accept according to their whim at the moment. Sometimes long time regulars forget that they started out the same way, pretty damn dumb! How a blog can soon come to be “owned” by all but the blog initiator is interesting in itself, as they sometimes take over a blog and waste no time making one feel as if they should not exist. I am writing this because I see it as selfish and unfair to the blog owner. Their blogs could have more interest if it were not the case. Facts, are! But any and everyone has personal opinion and different understanding of “facts” which in this particular murder case are questionable. Many will not truly be known until the outcome of the courts proceeding and jury decision. I had no idea the death penalty had been so discussed that it had become a sore spot here, I appreciate your explanation. Right now, I am tired and could have easily repeated myself, for which I offer apology.
PS. What would help someone like me is to know if as “regulars” it is that you are all of professional position for whom this blog was intended. If so. I have definately come
to a place where I do not belong and will pass on by.
Art:
My very limited understanding of Temporarily insane would be just as you pointed out a rage killing in which someone was for that moment unable to grasp the reality of their actions.
I.E. a husband or wife caught cheating, or as you said protecting your child from a molester.
They would have to prove that there was not time to alter the outcome, that they did not have the opportunity to stop and save that persons life by ending their aggression.
In Casey’s instance was there a moment she looked into her daughters eyes and knew her child was dying?
Could she have saved her life by simply removing the duct tape?
If there was such a moment and she chose not to do so, then it is considered pre-meditated murder.
And yes, I too believe Lenamon would have already had this case over with, and I firmly believe he would have gotten the D.P. off the table.
Stranger: I suppose I would be thought of as one of the “regulars” by that, I think Art only means us old timers that have been around three days longer than dirt, 🙂
Art tart,
Where have you been? Don’t you know by now that Baez is planning on proving KC innocent, so please tell me what part of that you do not understand?
Don’t you know by Baez exploring an insanity defense, KC would have to plead guilty?
Don’t you know by now that KC has pled “not guilty”?
T Lenamon moved on. So what. I’m sure he has other clients to take up his valuable time. Casey Anthony isn’t the only game in town.
And please tell me why you choose to malign Jose Baez in every comment you make? And please don’t tell me because you CARE if KC gets proper representation. Not buying it…
I suggest you go watch another “movie” and come back with something else to discuss than your constant rhetoric maligning Jose Baez and anyone else who is on KC’s defense team. Yes, you’ll get a few pats on the back from the “regs” but I would think by now they are sick of it too.
Stranger, a new comer came here with good intentions, good subject matter, on target, polite and all she/he got for his/her efforts was direction on how she should conduct herself in order to play in this kitty litter box.
No one here can dictate the discussion. Maybe I wanted to discuss the death penalty with her. Maybe someone else did. The regulars need to sit back or join in, not hold court and make decisions on who’s in or who’s out.
I hope Stranger comes back and finds out he/she is not alone. There’s always someone who will come to their rescue and put it all back into proper perspective.
BTW,a new perspective would be nice.
Stranger ,
No, no. STAY! This not a group of professional ANY type of people. They, and we, are all equals…. Individuals simply expressing our own opinions and views. It shouldn’t matter if a particular issue has been discussed by some “ad nauseum”. New people join in, or at least attempt to, all the time and there’s no way anyone can know what’s been discussed to death or not. There’s always some here who won’t automatically shoot people straight down for asking or introducing certain things even though it’s been done before. So, stay and keep on posting!
I do agree with you about the particular issue with the Death Penalty as you presented. I haven’t thought about if it was decided too hastily, but I just don’t know if it is appropriate for such a circumstantial case. It’s a big deal putting someone to death, and with little direct evidence , it just doesn’t sit right with me. I believe she’s guilty of 1st degree murder, but I don’t believe it should be a DP case. I’ve seen a lot of people say they’d feel satisfied if she got LWOP.
JB, I think had Terrence Lenamon stayed, he would not remain to be seen as the good guy we see him as now. Because anyone who joins Casey’s team, by association becomes douche bags, even if they had an outstanding reputation beforehand.
But I think Jose was a douche bag beforehand anyway, and you’re just not going to be able to keep defending him anymore because he’s….. well I can’t say those words on here without getting in trouble probably. Use your imagination.
You’re such a devil’s advocate. I can tell that’s your game. Not that you truly believe Casey didn’t do it. But shhh, I won’t tell anyone… {our little secret}.
taybos,
You might have me pegged, but you might not. Yes, I’m not going to say, there’s never been a point where I thought Casey was guilty as hell. Surely on Dec 11, 2008, I knew this was it for KC. I knew everything would fit into place, her fingerprints all over the duct tape, DNA found in the stain in the trunk, Casey was a murderous tramp. That’s what I thought. Well, that didn’t happen.
After the initial shock of finding little Caylee dead and no hope that she was alive, I played it all back again and decided not to be so swift in judgment, see what other forensic evidence comes in. Nada.. Then we discover this isn’t Kronk’s first rodeo. He’s been there before. He’s reported this before. Something isn’t right. And NO, I don’t think Kronk actually killed Caylee but I think it would be just as easy to build a case against him if the State of Florida decided. God help him if he spewed any spit near this site he trampled on. That’s just how weak of a case I think the State has on KC and that’s how desperate I think the State is to get a conviction for this murder.
As for Baez…I don’t know the man. He’s a lawyer. He’s not a public defender. KC hired him. He could have quit but he didn’t. He’s got 85% chance on losing this case. Lawyering skills have nothing to do with it. Bill Sheaffer and Hornsby put together couldn’t win this case. So he’s doing it for fame. Who cares. He’s doing his job just like every other lawyer who represents a murderer, rapist, serial killer, pedophile, child murderers, BUT NEVER have I ever heard such disrespect and pure hatred for a person who is doing THEIR JOB. He’s not looking to plea bargain because his client doesn’t want it. What’s he suppose to do? It’s not his fault.
It’s not a game taybos I’m for real. Really I am..lol
Scary thought?
Wow — got bit rought yesterday/last night…. but …. again ….JB …. on target! And Stranger … hope u don’t leave …. truth is , there are some here who attempt to give the impression that they are all-knowing and and knock down those who offer another thought … stay here and lets keep throwing out fresh ideas…..
—-and Taybos … why call anyone, any attorney such a disgusting “name” as douche bag. Really! You personally do not know Jose Baez do you?
Yo Hola!
😀 Thank you. I hope the next newcomer who wants to add their perspective will feel welcomed enough to do so.
Who knows, we ALL may learn something, right?
theJBmission —— well said….. and again, glad you have “returned”…..
Stranger, I am sorry if I have offended you, I certainly hope you do not leave, & those that want to continue to discuss the DP in this case can continue to do so with you. It seems that it is like discussing “abortion,” most people are firm in their beliefs, pro or con & most people are not going to change their thoughts or positions. It seems some people on this blog in the past cannot understand that the “DP is on the table, it is an Option in Fla. Law, we as bloggers & the public will not change the Option the State has chosen in Caylee’s case.”
I have stated that I believe in the DP, I believe Ashton/Burdick are the only one’s that have 100% of the information on Caylee’s murder & I trust their Judgement. They are the “Professional’s,” Caylee’s death qualifies under Fla. Law under the “Aggravating Factors” & I won’t question their Judgement as I don’t have the facts they do nor does anyone else except the Defense & KC.” Because I believe in the DP doesn’t mean that I think it is “appropriate in every case.” In KC’s case, LWOP would be a good verdict for her, imo, as long as she is never free to hurt another child. Whatever verdict is decided in KC’s case, LWOP or DP I will support.
Again, I am sorry if I have offended you.
art tart said,—that was kind of you to “write” to stranger — but — I”m afraid you’re making assumptions “not yet in evidence”…. but…. that is your right …. in general tho’ … my sense is the death penalty is not a deterant…. rather, a punishment …. and it may be premature ….
I don’t think it will take any new comer long to figure out who the problem children are on the play ground, would be nice if the 5th grade games of if you’re their friend you can’t be mine would stop.
I think Stranger & Art simply had some mis-communication which happens often, I may write something that to me makes perfect sense, and the reader will look at it and think WTH?
Seems Art & Stranger were working things out just fine without any help, if they can not see eye to eye so to speak then lets allow them to decide to pass each other by, or debate their issues.
They are after all I assume adults that are capable of making up their own minds.
Yo Hola! said, on August 8, 2010 at 7:01 am
—-and Taybos … why call anyone, any attorney such a disgusting “name” as douche bag. Really! You personally do not know Jose Baez do you?
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Yo Hola, you may want to read the hilarious BLOG “Egg Tree News” where she wrote an article titled, “Colossal Douch bag Throws Temper Tantrum, BLINK on Crime, or the Hinky Meter, in which Baez is referred to as the inept moron he is daily by just about everyone that posts there. He has become the JOKE of the internet.
Baez, imo, has lost the last shred of respect from most people, with the exception of you, & a few others. His last blatant lie in Judge Perry’s Courtroom about being “confused about the 911 call” has only provided more entertainment, even Mr. Sheaffer has said in an interview that Baez has lost “respect” with Judge P.
Baez is called a douche bag, moron, idiot, clown, inept, Bozo, on many of the best “blogs” on Caylee’s case & that is the least of what he’s called. Baez, imo, is an embarrassment to his profession, he was denied his License to practice Law for 8 yrs. for the very behavior he is displaying again, financial irresponsibility, how can a 3 yr. attorney defending DUI’s buy a $600,000.00 house & then chose to LIE to a Judge! Lying to a Judge P, shown on IN SESSION & Other Media Outlets! Now we will all be “entertained” by the moron listening to him accept the “collect call from Lunceford!” He could have chosen “to be honest,” but he chose to be a “LIAR!”
While Baez has provided entertainment to everyone, KC is facing the DP with this man making “most of the decisions” that has left her defense disconnected. She deserves a “competent defense,” imo, he continues to portray a lack of values that “most people posses.”
taybos, T Lenamom, imo, could have done a good job for KC, the problem is, Lenamon couldn’t get rid of Baez, imo, another reason Lyon’s chose to leave, NO ONE can get rid of Baez except KC & he keeps her isolated from everyone.
judypc, LOL! I was thinking the exact thing as you had stated in your comment, thanks.
I think Terrence Lenamon would have made a big difference in the case, or at least I would like to continue to think so.
Looking at his record he has a very good reputation, and from what we saw of him seemed to have a moral standard of placing his client first, getting the D.P off the table would have been a huge plus for the defense, and I honestly believe he could have done so very early on.
He is very well versed in court, knows the laws as they pertain to the DP and has a relationship with the courts here, unlike some attorney from across the country that comes in and at first stroke offends the court.
As I have often said defense attorneys are the butter on the bread of the justice system, they are charged with making sure their client gets a fair and just trial, and that the laws are not misused by the system.
While people often look down on defense attorneys, we would be in very bad shape were it not for them, imo they are what makes the justice system work, and they are why I would rather face justice here in the U.S. than just about any other place in the world.
We have the system we have because those for the defense battled long and hard to make equality, fairness, and mercy the number one goal in justice.
Okay, getting down off my soap box now, lol.
I just can’t pass up a chance to tout how important a good defense lawyer is.
judypc, I agree with your comment, I enjoy all the 48 hours. & Dateline shows when they focus on the Trials for the defendants. I saw a 48 hours last night in which someone was convicted & her attorney was able to get it “over turned” on appeal. She was convicted on “hearsay evidence” but her attorney was excellent, competent, & passionate in her defense.
I absolutely believe every defendant deserves the best representation, a zealous & competent representation, a fair trial, & in KC’s case, imo, she doesn’t have that in Baez while she is the one “looking at the DP.” I am concerned that Baez has kept KC isolated from family by phone & visits advising against it, although her jail videos were incriminating, another example of KC’s character, she deserves to see her family, even Lyon’s said so publicly. Baez has told CA KC could write to them but he would have to read it first.
Since we know B Conway was “Attorney shopping” for the Anthony’s to replace Baez but had no money to pay anyone, do you think Baez wants KC isolated so “GA/CA” won’t be able to plea with her to perhaps consider another attorney? Baez’s poor job isn’t “lost on the Anthony’s!” The damage is so great now, as imo, it was done in the beginning of the case when an Experienced Criminal Defense Attorney’s could have made competent choices in KC’s best interest.
Art:
From what I am understanding at this point Jose’ could not quit now if he wanted to, according to the laws of the state of Florida to protect clients.
Casey could of course fire him I suppose, I’m not sure what happens if Jose’ gets sanctions levied against him.
Maybe Bill could address those issues, I wonder if the reasons Jose’ has not had sanctions as yet is they do not want to delay the trial?
Can they come back on him after the trial?
I have so many questions and so little mind to figure out the answers lol.
Well Hello everybody. Wow took a while to read all the comments from yesterday/last night/this morning.
Hope you all have a good day!
judypc, they”amended a law in place in Fla. that attorney’s that take cases when a client has money, use all that money, & then want off the case so the defendant is appointed a public defender.” It was effective July 1, 2010, I think I read on WS it was amended because of “KC’s case & Baez. Unfortunately in KC’s case, Baez won’t do “the right thing for his client it appears,” imo, & that would be putting her best interest before his, act professionally, “research MOTIONS before just filing them & looking ridiculous like he did in the last two MOTIONS he filed in the 911 calls.
imo, KC probably “could fire Baez if she is not satisfied” but KC gets her only information from Baez as he keeps her isolated & I wonder if she “objectively realizes how poorly her Defense has done & continues to do.” imo. Does she have access to newspapers, News Reports to even be able to form her own opinion, is it allowed, or has Baez prevented her from having that information too?
I too wonder about “sanctions for Baez” & wonder when that is done. It would seem that if they came back after the trial, it would be “grounds for appeal.” Judge S & Judge P have both ask KC if she is satisfied with Baez & she has said “Yes” as they do not want her to “scream ineffective counsel & appeal,” but it appears the Defense continues to sink with Baez & his behaviors, imo. I am really surprised that LK Baden has not “bailed from the team” like Lyon’s as we haven’t heard anything from her.
LindaNewYork, good morning, did you see 48 hrs. last night when the defendant was freed on appeal? It was a re-run & update with one of the defendant’s dying. Interesting.
Hi Stranger! And WELCOME from me, too.
You’re right, Judy is a valuable blogger to this site. She’s explained many legal issues to us. I really hope you don’t get the wrong idea about this blog only allowing room for one opinion. It’s not true. We all have different theories about a lot of it. I think though that it’s safe to say the one thing we do come together on is, we all believe casey killed Caylee. We’ve asked for some kind of evidence to back their theory that she’s innocent, or could be innocent (can’t remember) but to my knowledge ~ still waiting ~ ~ it is partly because I don’t have the time to read all the comments so there’s really no point in me spending my time blogging about the murderer’s innocence. It’s not interesting.
But there’s other stuff that’s VERY interesting and that is . . . Dominic Casey!!!! What a flipping douchebag!!! Un-frigging-believable!!!!!!!
Art, I don’t think she’ll ever fire Baez. She has drunk (drank?) deeply of the Baez Kool-Aid!!!
Thank you everybody, Casey last saw Caylee, no doubt in my mind she knows what happened to her, and she would not reveal it. That is guilt! My interest was other than that and in trying to research a little, my wording was not adequate enough to convey whether Casey is guilty or not, how we come to be who we are and what we do and it was not to be making a judgement call on this case, just in general, about the actions of one as opposed to another when they kill their children, based on my belief that “something” has to be “wrong” overall to bring a “normal” mind to such a level of anger and destruction. (Anyone can see Casey’s “anger” in her videos). I do not feel wrong in referring to her own statement about herself needing help and being institutionalized. One of my points, if I were to be critical of Cindy, would be this is where she dropped the ball with Casey. She may have given Casey a “talking to” and Casey thought she was fine, as she later relayed to her friend. Casey was not alright!!! Be patient now, I think all the partying and sexual encounters were desperately trying to divert from her own inner demons. Casey appears to be incapable of being able to love, but searched for love. (all in the wrong places) Within all this scenario, I do have pity for her, if it is a type if mental disorder where she really had no personal strength to have control over. NONE OF MY REMARK IS SAYING TO ANY OF YOU THAT SHE ‘DID NOT’ KILL CAYLEE.! She is already under the death penalty (sorry) it’s there, you know very well nothing any one of us can say or do is going to change the course. The attorneys, whether they ail or win, we must accept the outcome of their presentations and jurors decisions. Anyway, I see some true hearts around here in all of you. Peace between you!
Actually ——Stranger ——————–
I think you’ve been here before under a different name ………………….. 🙂
Yo Hola!:
Do you have anything to add to the conversation other than complain about what people say, how they say it, and try to guess out the other posters? It really doesn’t matter who is who here. We’re all here to give our opinions, and it’s this simple: if you don’t like what you read from certain posters, then skip over their comment rather than nit-picking about why someone chooses to call Baez, Bozo or D Casey a douchebag.
mixologist74 —— what is wrong with you????
Bees, I agree with you about Casey not firing Bozo. IMO, she knows what a crappy job he’s doing, and there’s enough things he’s done wrong for her to say she had a crappy defense and get an appeal. Not that it matters, IIRC, a person sentenced to death automatically gets an appeal.
There isn’t a darn thing wrong with me. I’m having a wonderful day. Just a bit curious as to why you only comment to pick at someone. It does get old after a while.
mixologist74 ——— I don’t …. but … maybe you’ve “mixed” too much …. and you seem quite young for your comments —actually, YOUR THE ONE who is always negative —- and it is a lovely day……………….
sorry —- YOU’RE the one….
I seem a little “young” for my comments? LMAO…please explain, because I’m obviously not getting your point. And FYI, I’m no alcoholic, if that’s what you’re trying to insinuate.
mixologist74 — should have said immature …………. and nothing about alcoholic… just a tad “mixed up”…. where did you come up with alcoholic??? And you seem to be the one snarking me……….. lovely day in the neighborhood… 🙂
Yo Hola! said, on August 8, 2010 at 4:16 pm
mixologist74 ——— I don’t …. but … maybe you’ve “mixed” too much
sounds to me like you insinuated alcoholic
Oh — another country heard from…………….. do not “insinuate” .. I didn’t mixed . mixed up…………………..
If you have something to say, say it – otherwise move forward
the discussion was about Cindy and Baez
Thank you, Kim 😉
you know how I roll, mix
Hidy Ho all! Lots happened this week with emails and letters, while entertaining, I hope more evidence comes out soon. At this point, the defence is a joke. I hope the Judge Perry ask casey the same question that Judge Strickland did ‘Are you happy with your attorney?’. From reading comments, I see some don’t like any personal talk, unless of course it benefits them, some are still trying to make the Death Penalty an issue and some don’t like the names casey’s lawyer is called, even though it is due to his own stupidity. And now some are suggesting, insuating (insert own adjective here) posters are alcoholics, in a ‘mixed’ up sort of way. Seriously, 2 years ago, did anyone imagine this stuff could be made up?
Well I am still in Germany on ‘personal’ travel and visiting my Grand’s (again personal), I have always thought and still do think that, IMO, bozo baez is a big dummy AND I love the DP and wiish it would be utilized more on child killers and molesters AND, while I do not ‘personally’ know a certain ‘mixed’ poster, I don’t recall any of her comments to be incoherent. Then again, this post, as all others, is my opinion only.
Did Craig leave/quit/get fired and someone else was put in charge of moderation? If so, maybe someone/anyone from WFTV could enlighten us.
Yo hola, Nope, Stranger is Stranger! It would be nice to know who that different name is, see if i’d like it or not. lol How can anyone come in different names? Do you do that?
Morgan said, on August 8, 2010 at 7:33 pm
IMO, bozo baez is a big dummy
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OMG, you take the time away from your Grands whom you’ve traveled so far to see and this is all you got???
Well, isn’t that enlightening and informative. LOL
Does your Grands know this is what you do when you visit them. Get on the internet to insult a person you don’t know. Nan Ne Nan Ne Boo Boo..Paleezz.
YoHola!
I don’t know about you but if my Mother were still alive and she heard me say “douche bag” she’d faint. Ladies paleeezz.. Grow up and stop name calling. It’s really immature and when you do, no one takes you seriously because it’s a sign of ignorance. And I don’t think any of the “regs” are dumb. They just don’t know how they portray themselves when they stoop to the constant name calling.
I guess that’s why Val doesn’t allow it on her blog. It’s a distraction.
theJBmission —- my mom is gone too …. but … I never would have called anyone that name while she were here … nor now nor never … it’s disgusting and crude. Haven’t been on Val’s blog … maybe I should take a look …………. and..
Stranger … no, I’m Yo Hola … don’t change my name ….. but … it’s possible … just thought, based on the tone of your comments you’ve been here before .. no biggie…. just a thought….
mixologist74, your comment was not snarky or insulting, I agree with Kim, it’s best, imo, to skip over that person, she only seems to ask questions of other’s & complain. Skipping over comments works well for me, I think BEES KNEES suggested it awhile back & it save a lot of time. Other’s are interested in reading what you contribute.
Morgan, LOL! You have summed up exactly! You’re right, Baez has made a complete fool of himself yet again & now the 911 audio will be released so it will start all over. Baez “only has his own incompetence to blame.” All of the “death Penalty MOTIONS were denied, I think there were 8 last week. We had a big DOC DUMP with a lot of emails of D Casey, what a nut job! They will all be waiting for you when you come home. Continue to spoil your grandchildren & adult children. Be Safe.
BEES KNEES, I agree, Baez will continue to stay until the Verdict, unless he pulls more stunts, more lying, who knows? With the trial being 9 months off, hopefully he will provide KC with better representation than he has given her thus far, & to think she what she has gotten for $325,000.00.
Kim, good to see you, hadn’t seen you in awhile, must have been knee deep in the DOC Dump LOL!
Stranger, you make a lot of good points in your comment. I agree, it is difficult to understand when a parent murders a child, we have a tendency to think of rage, mental instability, family of origin, anything to rationalize why a parent would murder. Just when I think I have it figured out, someone will say, “Well so & so had it a thousand times more stressful & she didn’t murder her children.”
The dynamics between mother’s & daughter’s is unique, it was stressful with KC living w/GA & CA, they were taking care of Caylee all the time as GA said, paying all the bills, & KC was out partying, or telling them she was “working.” I have always felt that KC could have possibly “boiled over” that Father’s Day evening when KC & CA argued, things could have escalated, KC left in a rage, not mad with Caylee, but angry with CA, Caylee could have been crying because she was scared, & she snapped. Just speculation. The closest we will come to knowing the answers is from the STATE & that’s only if the Defense doesn’t ask for a plea at the last moment of LWOP. I hope the case is tried but KC will make that ultimate decision.
Hi art! I have been busy in the real with many pressing issues and some not so pressing! Great to see you as well!
I was wondering if, since Casey already stated to the court that she was happy with her counsel, if it is necessary to restate it
Well — now we have the wife of a Shell Oil Exec who allegedly, admitted killing her three children, then setting off a gas explosion to “cover” the truth. And, this all because of pending custody arrangements. Wow.
This morning, I am at a near total loss for words other than “ineffective counsel” and “mistrial”, both of which are bebopping about in my brain, clouding my coffee and leaving me with no appetite for that mixed berry Danish!
Yo, my God.
Who knows what lurks in the hearts of man/woman?
JB says, “I guess that’s why Val doesn’t allow it on her blog. It’s a distraction.”
JB, get your head out of your ass before you start critisizing me. What do you mean Val doesn’t allow name calling on her blog??? You must not read her very regularly. This is what she had to say about Dominic Casey three days ago:
“What a lying sack of shit charlatan and baby-bone scavenger Dominic Casey is.”
I really don’t see how it is ANY business of yours whether I call Baez a “douchebag” or Val calls D. Casey a “lying sack of shit.” Mind your own business. Not mine or Val’s.,
Same goes to you too, YO!!!! Have I ever once crtisized anything you’ve said? NEVER. So sit DOWN and shut UP. You don’t like what you read here? You don’t like my comments? Then why the hell are you here?
Bravo, Bees. I think most of us call ’em as we see ’em. I can think of worst names. The ridiculousness of the “player’s” in this case, as told in the doc dumps, does rile up some creative adjectives. I read Valhall all the time and she has THE best ways in which to describe the players who would have made a mockery out of an investigation into the death of a toddler. Seems to me it was a big joke to D. Casey, et al.
Slick-dick, indeed. The “D” word being the operative word. Coz that is what “I” think he is.
Hunter, I know what you mean, “ineffective council”.
Some have speculated that Casey could get rid of her “defense” team, and she says she is happy with them. I think a defendant can “fire” her defense team, but THEY cannot walk away. Does anyone know if this is true?
I personally think that she is not too bright to begin with, so of course she is happy with her council LOL! I mean does she have access to newspapers/newcasts/internet to see how inept her attorney really is?? I mean does she really know what has been released what has gone on in her case??? I wonder if she is privvy to to it all. She is 22 putting her life, literally, in this crazy defense team. Sure she can cry ineffective council after she is convicted, like a lot of “convicted murderer’s” do. Kinda like asking for a do-over.
~Yo Hola! said, on August 9, 2010 at 7:31 am Well — now we have the wife of a Shell Oil Exec who allegedly, admitted killing her three children, then setting off a gas explosion to “cover” the truth. And, this all because of pending custody arrangements. Wow.
Kinda like a mother killing her daughter and then setting of on a “Nanny kidnapped my daughter” to “cover” the truth!!
BTW-where did that crime happen, with the Shell Oil Exec?
mix, there is nothing wrong with what you said.
Somebody upthread mentioned that Perry should do as Strickland did, and ask Casey if she’s happy with her council. I agree!!! Maybe he has and we’ve missed it somehow? Cause I agree, that’s something that really needs to happen imo.
Has anyone read all of D. Casey’s emails from the last release??? I read a lot but I don’t know if I’m going to finish them or not. What an extremely distasteful little toad of a man!!
And what about that ginny?!? She’s insane. Did you catch the parts of the emails she found the most humorous. Here’s one where she is laughing:
ginnylucas@netzero,com
Thursday, October 16, 2008 11 :32 AM
” I think calling her dead was the best thing that every happened to poor Cay lee – g my cell is dead –
I’ll be in the car in a half an hour – g
even if we can’t go till Nov.
– I don’t seee them finding her for a while – hha hha –”
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Judy, I wonder if you know the answer to this? Would Judge Perry be reading these releases along with us? Would that be a legal no-no, or a personal one?
Here’s the other piece that I was looking for from Val. I think there’s a couple bloggers here that would strongly disagree with what she says but I don’t know if they would go to her blog to say it. Personally I think the comment is a masterpiece. I hope this is the end of the subject. It is for me at least. I think it is absolutely THE PERFECT WORD to end on.
Valhall said: “In my humble opinion, of ALL the characters in this farce – AND THAT INCLUDES CASEY ANTHONY – the most despicable, unethical, low-life, bottom-dwelling, blood-sucking son-of-a-bitch I’ve identified to date is Dominic Casey.
Dominic – YOU’RE A LIAR, CON-ARTIST, A CHARLATAN, A SCAVENGER OF DEAD BABIES, A PREDATOR OF FAMILIES IN DISTRESS, AN INTENTIONAL OBSTRUCTION AND IN GENERAL . . .
. . . A ROYAL F*CKTARD.”
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/06/the-anthony-encliepedia-dominic-casey-and-the-psychics/#comments
LindaNewYork — no — I don’t think these two tragedies are similar …. in any event … this happened in Scotland.
Hi Bees, I read a lot of them. What I find very telling is with all of D. Casey’s PI “skills” and the back and forth and back and forth with his “psychic networt” not one single solitary thing showed ANY ONE else involved in Caylee’s “kidnapping”. They have so many theories/scnarios it makes my head spin and ALL of their theories led no where. Suspicious of every one BUT Casey.
Yo Hola, no the tragedies are not the SAME, but “covering the truth” of a murder by making up a Nanny kidnapped my daughter story or setting a gas explosion to “cover the truth” ARE the same.
LindaNewYork — okay — gotcha … coverups are coverups …. in this case in Scotland we apparently know what happened………
Yup, Bee’s Val has a great way with discrpitive words. LOVE reading her take on this case as well as all the other’s she writes about!!!.
Yo Hola, I just read in the NY Post and about a man who cut the throats of his 2 children and live-in girlfriend and then cut his own throat. So far says all are alive. What a bunch of sicko’s there are ALL over the world.
But, Yo Hola I think we apparently know, as well, what happened in the murder of Caylee Anthony…..
Ok, wait maybe not “exactly” WHAT happened but who the murderer is….
Oh, BTW art tart, I wasn’t home SAt nite to watch 48 hours. They repeat a lot. Tell me al ittle more about that one when you have a sec, coz I want to catch it…
LindaNewYork said, on August 9, 2010 at 10:59 am Ok, wait maybe not “exactly” WHAT happened but who the murderer is….
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Maybe … let’s just stop at maybe —- time will tell …. and yes, there are far too many sickos ….. and as Van Zant said this morning omn the Today Show…. horrors like in Scotland are oftimes a mystery to predict.
Terrytsk said, on August 7, 2010 at 11:16 am
I think RS’s post was funny and I LOL as I was reading it.
English may not be Ina’s first language but she is fluent in English and only throws in the “me speaka no English” when it suits her. IMO it’s a cop out when she doesn’t have a response to people who challenge her statements.
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As did I and for the very same reason. All one has to do is read her posts and it is quite obvious.
I have read RS for over 2 years and she has never been cruel to anyone except those that she perceives are fake.
On Topic (since ina is indeed not the topic of this blog): bozo stated early on in response to KB’s question about the car that everyone knew the car was in casey’s possession and complete control. If her own atty admits it was used exclusively by his client, I cannot imagine what difference legal ownership would make….casey had it, used it and NO ONE else.
And one other side note: if ina insists on being the blog buffoon, so be it. However, I will continue to dispute the erroneous facts that she insists on touting as true….such as the assertion that Mr. Kronk was paid by LE. Mr. NeJames provided a reward to Mr. Kronk since the anthonys duped him out of the major bucks claiming that the reward was offered only for a live Caylee. Additional evidence of their fraudulent nature.
Today would have been Caylee’s 5th birthday and she would have started kindergarten. RIP sweet baby.
As to premeditation, perhaps Mr. Sheaffer could correct me if I am wrong, however, I think time is irrelevant. The elapsed time for premeditation has to only be sufficient for the perp to realize it is wrong and effect a different outcome. ie; while casey was layering on 3 pieces and duct tape and watching her toddler suffocate, she had ample time to realize the child was dying and could have pulled the tape off her breathing orifices (either one or both) hence not killing the child. That would, I believe, constitute premeditation.
I have a question: What, if any, actions might Judge Perry take against Baez for lying to him? Can a judge dismiss an attorney under such circumstances?
:`( Too many children won’t see their birthdays.
You know Frankie, in my opinion, everyone knows casey killed Caylee. The ones who say she didn’t, or, she hasn’t been convicted yet, or so & so looks suspicious . . . yada yada yada . . . I don’t buy it for a second. I have no idea why they pretend to believe it, not my problem . . . not my interest ~ I just don’t care and I’m not going to debate it with anyone. Casey murdered Caylee. Period. We may never know exactly how but we may get a pretty good idea by the time Jeff Ashton is through with us (chills . . . chills . . . ). Like all of us, I really enjoy reading good thoughts, inspirational bloggers, intelligent, and some funny comments ~ there are a few excellent blogs, Hinky being way at the top of the list (imo). But I always try to keep in mind the fact that this is is a blog. Just a blog. We probably shouldn’t take it quite so seriously, something I sometimes do.
I’m sure you’re right about the pre-meditation. I’m pretty sure I’ve read that just the amount of time it took to pick up the duct tape and peel off the first piece would still constitute pre-meditation
Good question, Hunter. I don’t have the answer, though. Sorry. Maybe judypc will come along. It would seem that it should receive some kind of acknowledgment, right? The court, especially Strickland, seemed to blow off a lot of Baez’s shenanigans, although we must remember that he did make some type of complaint(s) about Baez months and months ago ~ can’t think of the details right now. I need a compendium to help guide me through all the compartments to this crime!!! And I must say Judge Perry hasn’t been hoodwinked by them yet and shows no sign of weakness. He seems to be a great judicial match for Baez/Mason. Heh heh heh . . .
Funny, I am following a case on In Session where there is no question as to who the murderer is. It is about a father who had his son kneel in front of him and shot him in the face. (the 15 yr old son allegedly molested 3/12 year old half sister, I don’t want to go into details on that and you can fins it on In Session website or watch trial highlights on In Session). But anyway, the prosecution is charging with 1st degree murder~Pre-meditatd~ and defense looking for manslaughter. And commentators/Ryan Smith on In Session have explained…pre-meditated does not mean hours/days/months. And is exactly like Bee’s said.
I am sure the Prosecution’s scenario of the murder of Caylee by her Mother will be very compelling and will explain as to just WHY they put the DP on the table.
Yeah, I’m curious about Baez’ blatant lie to the court about the phone call. But he will prorably keep up the facade of faulty memory.
Which leads to another question, what of the D. Casey e-mails and the Anthony’s that seemingly obstructed a police investigation?
Yep, I think so too, Linda. Right from the start the Prosecution has looked confident and ready to go. In sharp contrast to the huffy-puffy suits babbling away on the other side of the courtroom.
What of them indeed?
BTW, I do not actually find the case I was talking on In Session “funny” in the least…But it is interesting regarding “pre-meditated murder” and what constitutes it.
Hi Bees!!!!! Always love to read your comments as well as a lot of others here (and elsewhere).
bozo’s dishonesty is, IMO, an embarrassment to the profession and one would think the FL Bar would have something to say/do about it. It is my understanding that they sort of self police themselves (attorneys). If that is the case, they aren’t doing a very good job of it! I believe the Department of Business and Professional Regulations actually govern all businesses in FL, but I sure don’t know. At any rate, I don’t see how the court can put much faith in his reliability as an “officer of the court”. What a joke.
This from the Florida Bar’s website:
WHO REGULATES THE CONDUCT OF LAWYERS?
The Supreme Court of Florida created The Florida Bar as its investigating arm to enforce the standards of ethical conduct of our lawyers. All Florida lawyers must be members of The Florida Bar. They pay membership fees that fund the total cost of the lawyer discipline system. The Florida Bar acts as a prosecutor in lawyer discipline cases, much like the state attorney’s office does in criminal cases.
link: http://www.floridabar.org/
Seems they best get to it!!!!
Hey frankie, well maybe they ARE working on it.
I cannot see Baez having much of a career after this anyway and would be very surpirsed to see him as what he describes as th “talking heads” (lawyers) on shows like JVM and NG. Maybe Geraldo will hire him, though!
BTW-does Geraldo even cover this case anymore. I never ever watch his show…
I haven’t ever watched Geraldo very much. I did watch the empty tomb or whatever show. LOL, it was quite funny.
I hope the FL Bar is working on it, because in briefly looking around the website, it appears he has broken practically every ethics rule they have!!
Gee — is Geraldo on tv still?
Ha, it seems like Geraldo has been on TV for the past 50 years!
frankie, yes I remember the infamous Geraldo show opeining Al Capones “tomb”, was it?
vault – Al Capones vault – it was stone empty
BEES KNEES said, on August 9, 2010 at 10:27 am
STAMP! I agree with Val’s assessment in its entirety!
lmao mix
Right Kim it Capones vault.
Call me a blogidiot (blog idiot) but what does STAMP mean? Please don;t alugh me of the blog for asking. LOL!
alugh = laugh
http://www.wftv.com/news/24569117/detail.html
Jail call released
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24568689/detail.html
Today Caylee would have been 5 years old.
RIP little one.
BEES KNEES:
Don’t write this in blood but I think the only way Judge Perry would be reading these emails would be if the state or defense plans to use them at trial, and he has to rule on to admit them or toss them.
Now he could very well do as you or I and read them.
Wll thank you for the heads up, PA1234
Oh Jeez, I’m too tired to read a transcript of a babbling convict. I started to speed read thourough it.
I don’t think these “jailhouse” snitches will make it in trial anyway. From either side. The STATE certainly doesn’t need the likes of the jailhouse snitches.
BUT one thing I got out of it–Surprise, Surprise, Jose pressed “1” and was WELL AWARE he was being recorded. Surprise again, like his client, her family and those associated with them, HE is just another liar in the bunch.
Hi gals!
Linda, I’m not positive but I’ve always thought that “STAMP” was the same as finger snapping or applause ~ some sign of approval.
Thanks, judy. I wouldn’t make a good Judge. I’d be too nosy about everything.
Ugh, I just read the transcript of the jail call, and I think my eyeballs are on fire now. Anyway, I honestly don’t believe what this Lunceford woman is saying, purely because she mentioned numerous times about her own case and the “prosecutorial misconduct”…IMO, she’s trying to get her sentence reduced and will do or say anything to make that happen.
In a motion filed today Team Casey Attack NeJame yet again, also claim Casey was offered a deal of 10 years if she told where Caylees body was.
Source News 13.
Casey’s defense attacks NeJame, EquuSearch
Casey Anthony’s defense team is ripping into a local attorney who represents the Texas EquuSearch organization.
Late Monday afternoon, Anthony’s lawyers blasted NeJame in a newly filed court motion.
Among other things, they accuse him of trying to convince Anthony’s parents to fire attorney Jose Baez and retain him as Anthony’s attorney.
They also said he is using the case simply to gain publicity.
Also, a private investigator, who is part of Baez’s defense team, recently interviewed a New York City writer.
He claims NeJame approached him about writing a book detailing his involvement with the case.
In that discussion, details came out about an alleged plea offer for Anthony that she was supposedly offered a 10-year sentence if she led investigators to where her daughter Caylee was.
Thanks PA1234,
Great! The long awaited transcript of Atty. Jose Baez and inmate Robin Lunceford.
I’m wondering if Old Man Mason and Baez pulled a big bluff. By protesting by legal motion to suppress its release, the transcript is now a released as a public document. Maybe the prosecutors weren’t being so courteous either because I didn’t read anything that should be an embarrassment to Baez or Lunceford. Quite the opposite, I found it embarrassing to the SAO’s who stoop to this level. I guess that’s because their case is so weak.
Who knew? LOL
Actually, the letter revealed a straight shooting inmate who wanted the truth known about Maya Derkovic’s plan to lie to State investigators. I never knew inmates lied?? 😀
I guess there won’t be any jail house snitch testimony at trial.
Oh and Bees?? You really don’t need to be so angry because I misled you. I didn’t mean Val, I meant Blink.
If you think it’s okay to talk trash and use vulgar language, have at it. I won’t follow suit because it’s against my upbringing. I guess you are what you are.
Now, this question just begs to be ask.
In light of his clients dire situation, you know that little thing about the needle with that lethal mix, do you really think the thing he should be doing at this point is filing motions against Mark NeJame?
Shouldn’t he be busy busting his bum trying to, oh I don’t know, SAVE HIS CLIENTS LIFE!!
Is it lost on him that he has a trial ahead of him?
Does he not realize his client PAID him to work her case, not get into a peeing contest with another lawyer just because he got a spanking in court by said lawyer.
How is yanking NeJame’s chain doing diddle for his client?
Answer – it does not, at this point it looks like Jose’ is looking to get thrown off this case, what seems to evade him is his stunts may very well take him beyond getting the boot from this case, that boot may kick him completely out of the ball park, he just might end up as a bikini sales man yet again.
hmm..I don’t think so.
When he gets reprimanded by Judge Perry, I suppose he’ll get the hint or the boot. What I find interesting is that Baez is in competition with Casey when it comes to “who’s the most news worthy” to the media. Casey the accused murderer of her 2yo daughter or Jose Baez the person who happens to be her hired defense attorney.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24568689/detail.html after reading this, I think you get a bit of insight in what goes on. It looks like this Robin wants to come clear about certain mishaps in prison/jail. (correct me if I misunderstood the transcript) Scary. So as a suspect/convict if you don’t lie, you get a sentence for life?
@Ina, stand corrected.
I am sitting. I don’t see how you correct me there btw lol. About Kronk : Jan Barrett of BNN said this april 2009 already:” The TV guy says the county agreed to pay $10,000 to Kronk to help him deal with the media, but now he is asking for an additional $2500 to help him prepare for the criminal case. The Orange County Commission is expected to make a decision on this request tomorrow. WFTV’s legal analyst Bill Sheaffer says that for a county to pay the legal bills for someone who is just considered a witness is unusual. Normally he says the State Attorney’s Office would step in instead of a private attorney handling the case.” http://www.bloggernews.net/120657 Perhaps BNN is not reliable, but it seems ‘our’ mr Sheaffer was also quoted. What is true, what is not?
Judy PC @ August 10 12:59p
While you outline relevant talking points, perhaps your post is more rhetorical?
At any rate, Attorneys good or bad, are taught [notwithstanding Baez inexperience] to attack the facts, if that doesn’t work, attack the LAW!
It comes as little consequence that motions will continue to be filed, even if the issue[s] are moot point. The position Caseys defense thus far has presented, is not a strong offense. The SS Caseys et al sank, and whats left to see, the GIANOMORUS BUS, which has morphed into a MASSIVE FLORDIA SINK HOLE.
I don’t think ANY of these jailhouse snitches are truthful. I think they are all full of crap/lies.
Interesting about Jose attacking NeJame and Equusearch again, Judy. And if NeJame DID tell the Anthony’s to get rid of Jose, it was waaay inthe beginning when he was their attorney. They weren’t paying for Jose anyway and still aren’t.
Lots are bound to write a book about this case. There are hundreds of true crime books written involving famous and not so famous murders. It would be a moot point for the A’s to write a book as they’ve pretty much blabbed their side of the story already and I found out enough about them thanks to the sunshine law.
Ina, etc. I was under the impression the County paid for his attorney coz he found the body while working on the “county’s” time. Is meter reading a county position in Florida?
I think it is pathetic that almost everyone who was interviewd as a witness by LE found it necessary to hire attorney’s due to the familiy’s accusations that anyone BUT Casey killed Caylee (Jesse, Tony, Amy, Kronk, etc.).
Judy, Jose has been yanking lotsa chains. What else is new, right? LOL!
Ina, no, you don’t get a life sentence anywhere if you do not lie. Seriously! Like that Robyn Adams you gotta take jailhouse snitch talk where it is coming from…Criminals who lie and MAYBE sometimes are telling the truth, thinking it will help get themselves a reduced sentence for their crime. Honestly I did not believe a word of that Robyn either regarding Casey telling her that she used chloroform on Caylee. I cannot see either side uing those women’s “stories”. If you believe one you gotta believe the other.
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Thank you Bee’s for the info on STAMP!
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Hi mix, just like Robyn Adams this one is trying to do the same thing….
Kate, might I add to your comment: At any rate, “IF YOU CANNOT PROVE WITH REAL EVIDENCE YOUR CLIENT IS INNOCENT”, Attorneys good or bad, are taught [notwithstanding Baez inexperience] to attack the facts, if that doesn’t work, attack the LAW!
LindaNewYork said ————- attack the law????? Are you sure …. I would love Bill to address this…..
First of all Yo Hola, I added to Kates comment in caps. Second of all, yes, attack the law. Some of the motions DO attack Florida Law.
Yo Hola, sometimes it seem you just make comments to knock someone else’s comment. You never really give your thoughts on things,othere than just a quick smack. Surely you must have something to say. I am not trying to be mean, just trying to figure it out.
LindaNewYork said, on August 10, 2010 at 7:36 am:
“I don’t think ANY of these jailhouse snitches are truthful. I think they are all full of crap/lies.”
STAMP!!
LindaNewYork said ————- I am not knocking another’s comment — I am “questioning it”…. isn’t that the point of a discourse?
LYN, I think you have Yo Hola all figured out…I said as much yesterday. I believe these inmates have their own agenda regarding this case, so they will lie lie lie for their OWN benefit. IMO none of them will get a reduced sentence, and they’ll have just painted themselves into a corner.
LNY** Oops lol
mixologist74 ————– ????
LindaNewYork, thanks for stating what I just couldn’t be bothered to about about getting a life sentence if you don’t lie. Really!!!! How ridiculous.
Yo Hola, from Merriam Webster Dictionary:
Main Entry: 1dis·course
Pronunciation: \ˈdis-ˌkȯrs, dis-ˈ\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English discours, from Medieval Latin & Late Latin discursus; Medieval Latin, argument, from Late Latin, conversation, from Latin, act of running about, from discurrere to run about, from dis- + currere to run — more at car
Date: 14th century
1 archaic : the capacity of orderly thought or procedure : rationality
2 : verbal interchange of ideas; especially : conversation
3 a : formal and orderly and usually extended expression of thought on a subject b : connected speech or writing c : a linguistic unit (as a conversation or a story) larger than a sentence
4 obsolete : social familiarity
5 : a mode of organizing knowledge, ideas, or experience that is rooted in language and its concrete contexts (as history or institutions)
I’d rather discuss things with you or anyone, rather than a one-liner. I am being serious, I am not trying to pick on you, coz it really does seem like a smack in the head from you. Discourse as I read it it is discusion and exchange of ideas, EXTENDED expression of thoughts…
—- and fellow New Yorker …. that’s what I’m doing ….. eg….. questioning –and opening up for discussion…………. an interchange of thoughts, I hope rather than declarative statements that are far too often stated…. hey — it is what it is.
Main Entry: 1dis·cord
Pronunciation: \ˈdis-ˌkȯrd\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English descorde, discord, from Anglo-French descorde, from Latin discordia, from discord-, discors
Date: 13th century
1 a : lack of agreement or harmony (as between persons, things, or ideas) b : active quarreling or conflict resulting from discord among persons or factions : strife
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So, to quote mr Scheaffer, “So much of what has been presented as topical or important during the pendency of the Casey Anthony case has been, what I consider to be, white noise. That is, a lot of sound and dissonance with little or no consequence or meaning to either the prosecution of the defense of the criminal case itself. That is not to say that certain “white noise” events are not in some ways interesting, or should not be of interest to us. Rather, these things just do not, in my opinion, rise to the level of scholarly discussion or analysis.”
So, unlike Mr. Scheaffer, who when he wrote this particular article which I took as saying there was not much merit in the motions/arguments that have been presented over many month’s, those of us who comment/blog have a lot to say even about “white noise”. Whereas, he finds it to be nonsense. (I may be wrong in how “I” analyzed Mr. Scheaffer’s latest blog…LOL!)
So there is lotsa discourse and discord going around. LOL!
OK, Yo Hola, maybe there IS something to be said about NOT being long winded sometimes like me!! LOL!!!!
Hey, I forgot you are a fellow New Yorker. I am about 30-40 mins outside of Manhatten (with NO traffice that is)!
AND —- we’re LANCEMEN ….. make nice!
JB Mission says: “Oh and Bees?? You really don’t need to be so angry because I misled you. I didn’t mean Val, I meant Blink. If you think it’s okay to talk trash and use vulgar language, have at it. I won’t follow suit because it’s against my upbringing. I guess you are what you are”
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Oh and JB?? Yeah, I guess I am what I am! (WOW!!! What a zinger! What a sharp wit you have!!!)
Why do you make everyone’s business your business? I haven’t left a comment for you for months. I have no interest in your “Casey is Innocent” propaganda. NONE. Get it? So shut up. I don’t talk to you. I don’t talk about you. I don’t go to your blog. I don’t criticize your language. I don’t address you here, or anywhere else. So who the hell do you think you are to show up here and start monitoring and commenting and criticizing the language I or anyone else is using? I clearly was not addressing you. You are not the monitor here, as much as you would love to be.
You say you “made a mistake.” What you really meant was Blink. You meant VAL’s language is vulgar and trashy. Well, why the hell don’t you scuttle on over to the Hinky Meter and tell VAL???? I’m not responsible for how she talks but maybe you can convince her that you are. Good luck with that! I read there every day so I’ll be watching for your accusations. Except we all know you won’t, now will you? In the meantime, please make the effort to police someone else’s language OK? You have your own blog. You can control the words there. But THIS blog is NOT yours, is it?
You find the word douchebag to be trashy and vulgar? I think that someone flapping about on the blogs trying to plant seeds of doubt in order to protect a baby-killer to be FAR, FAR, FAR more trashy and vulgar. And is that not what you’ve been spending your time doing? What a true paragon of virtue you really are, JB. I guess that’s because your “upbringing was so much better than anyone else’s.”
Woooohoooo Bees, you go girl! ROFL
Well Bees, I LOVE who and WHAT you are. You go girl.
Thanks, mix. I’ll talk to YOU anyday!
I agree with you guys about the phone calls. I’m not buying it either. I bet Judge Perry rules against them. I didn’t finish reading them, though. Why was so much of it blocked out? I suposse it explains in the file. I’ll go back to finish today.
I CANNOT BELIEVE that Bozo is going against NeJames!!!! Even the name Bozo is being tarnished by this nincompoop. I’ve gotta go and do some reading. Happy Tuesday!
You too Linda. BBS . . .
It seems like Jose, when he feels “slighted” he is like a little kid who has to get the last word in. NeJame called it like he saw it when Jose took MONTHS to go to his office to look at the files and hwne him and MAson showed up told it like it was with their haughty “throw down 12 bucks on the table”. As well as Jose going against the judges order by sending in a “copy” company. NeJame gave him a slap every time he said or did something stupid and called him out on his NON-knowlege of legalalities.
Texas Equusearch is a “volunteer” oraganization, NON-PROFIT and first, why should they have to spend donation money on copying thousands of pages of the volunteers in the search for Caylee Anthony even though only a hanful searched the are where Caylee’s body was found WHICH WAS UNDER WATER FOR ALL THAT TIME.
And I have a suspicion that Equusearch/Tim Miller is NOT done with the Anthony’s. Mr. NeJame and Equusearch, as well as the entire Anthony Family knew darn well that Caylee was dead from the get go. Cindy “searching for a LIVE Caylee ONLY” crap. Bad mouthing this voluntary organization.
I wlways remember George’s friend from Ohio stating something like “The ONLY one who knows wher Caylee is, is that B*tch in the bedroom”. I Forget his name who who quoted him as saying that….
Ok, I misquoted what George’s friend Jim said regarding Casey’s knowing just where Caylee was.
I got this from an artice of the great Miss Blink:
“….George Anthonys’ friend from Trumball County Ohio, we will call him Trumball Jim, told George everything he needed to know about Caylee’s whereabouts was in her room down the hall, (indicating Casey in her bedroom). George had it out with Casey demanding she tell him what she knew, and Jim had to pull George and Casey apart. Tim Miller, founder of Texas Equusearch, arrived shortly thereafter and was met at the door by Jim, with that episode being recounted to him as the first interface he had with anyone in the Anthony camp in that home.”
I got way off “current” topic didn’t I? LOL!
Good Morning everyone, I am catching up on the comments from yesterday. LMAO, BEES KNEES, sounds like you have finally had enough of the “troll” & told her exactly how it is. KUDOS! It gets tiresome, but since I skip her comments, it doesn’t bother me. I still laugh when I think of the time Morgan told her to “piss up a rope!” LOL!
YEP! imo, Valhal has the “best blog on KC’s case,” & of course the “two talking heads are my favorites! Valhal, doesn’t mince words about the “scumbags in KC’s case” & backs up her reasons for calling them what they are with endless facts. She refers to Baez as “the former Defense for KC, the CIRCUS!”
I haven’t read the MOTION Baez filed whining, but if NeJames told the Anthony’s to get another Attorney for KC, apparently they “finally took his advice & sent Conway out to approach another Cr Def Attorney, but, of course they have no money but “promises of future payments, I assume for any deals they can continue to bilk from Caylee’s murder by their daughter.” Too funny the Cr Def Att went public with interviews. NeJames will answer Baez’s latest MOTION with a “correctly written MOTION, something that continues to challenge the lawyer on training wheels, & cut the moron down to his knees, yet again.”
Maybe Baez should have kept that $12.00 he threw on the table at NeJames’ office at the TES Volunteer that was in the room with the documents & stuck it up his butt OR better yet, apply it towards his mortgage. I guess next, Baez will file his second bankruptcy, continued pattern of “old behaviors,” & as someone suggested, he can always again “open his 3rd defunct bikini shop.” Will this defense EVER do anything “to help their client, or will they continue to focus on their own incompetence & themselves?” LOL! I know the answer to that!
Holy Cow, Holy Cow. While reading at Val’s she has the defenses motion to Quash Court Order RE: Equusearch and ripping into Mark NeJame. Some of the exhibits are letters/e-mails btwn the Anthonys and Mark and they are doozies..
found on news 13
WFTV why don’t you have this info up???
LNY: NeJames also told the Anthony’s that “of all the millions of people on this earth, only one person knows where Caylee is & it is your daughter.
I agree, NeJames/T Miller may not be through with the Anthony’s. IF it is proven that the Anthony’s knew Caylee was dead from the get go, imo, I believe GA did & & so did CA, that’s why ALL the lying started, then CA called T Miller, wasted thousands of dollars in resources, printed T Shirts Caylee is missing & sold for profit, I hope the Anthony’s are held accountable! When this case ends, there will be people writing books “holding the Anthony’s Accountable, imo, Caylee Foundation accountable for monies taken, what it was spent on, & made public,” what the SS Caylee Marie has been used for except for fishing, expose the Anthony’s & their dealings in efforts to “prevent KC from taking responsibility for the murder of Caylee & show how they profited from Caylee’s murder.” I hope it is pointed out, “they NEVER demanded Justice for Caylee, although Caylee has supported their lying butt’s! It makes me sick! jmo.
Remember when CA screamed, “Get off your ass’es & look for my grand daughter? J Morgan also tells it like it is when he said, “CA/GA NEVER physically looked for their grand daughter!” imo, they already knew she was dead. Did anyone ever see the interview in which CA got confused & said, “GA & I don’t think Caylee is in the woods?” The interview was before Caylee was found “in the woods!”
STANDIN OVATION FOR MR. MARK NEJAME FOR CALLING CINDY OUT… It was wonderful to finally see someone tell Cindy like it was/is and call her out on all of her BS.
Hi art tar. Oh they knew RIGHT OFF THE BAT their granddaughter was dead and EXACLTY who killed her.
I’d love to kick all of them in their freakin’ behinds. I am GLAD the A’s, especially Cindy will be stuck for the rest of their miserable lives having to drive (hopefully HOURS) to see Casey in Prison AND-haha-have to STILL support her by putting money in her prison commissary account. In the case of her getting the DP, at this point, I would love to cheer that on the day it happens in person. YES, I am getting mean and ugly. Reading that letter M. NeJame wrote to Cindy cinched it even more EXACTLY what we did already know what SHE is all about. SHE meaning Cindy. Anyone gettting to the TRUTH of matter, that being CASEY killing Caylee was bodyslammed by those ungrateful morons…
Yeah, I’m p*ssed right now. So sick of that crappy excuse for a family.
LindaNY: I agree. Poor NeJames, to get involved w/the Anthony’s thinking he was helping them, LOL! Baez, the moron said NeJames didn’t have enough experience! Some people gave NeJames $5,000.00 to help the Anthony’s he later gave to Roy Kronk, there is nothing that could help the Anthony’s, & there still isn’t until they ALL help themselves.
Even if I could still wear a bikini, I wouldn’t buy one from Baez, coz it would probably not be made properly and fall apart like all his motions!!!!
That’s OK, Mark will slap them back in his intelligent way like he always does.
And Casey continues to sit in jail with her smug little smile and snack foods thinking she will be RV’ing around the country in no time.
I need to stop for a little bit. This is more annoying than the OJ case.
I been reading you all here, yes, you are all professionals, I am not going to tamper with your knowledge. Glad I only put my toe in the water otherwise you would know how dumb I can be. LOL
Come on Stranger, don’t be a Stranger!!! LOL!
Could someone please link the motion for me? Too busy to look for it, but I’ll be back here later to check.
Stranger, I’m up to two toes, I think. 🙂 Though I may have to withdraw one of them when I dare to ask, JBMission’s a troll??????? Oh my gosh! I am confused!! I thought she was like the “troll” monitor of the board or something. Well, live and learn I guess.
Wow Bees,
Shell shocked by your response? You’re daring me to go to Val’s and discuss the word “douche bag” with her?? Are you serious? That would be like me discussing Bill Sheaffer’s verbiage with him. This is his blog.
You’re obviously trying to mix my words into some kind of plot to have me confront Val.
LOL..not likely. I don’t play those internet blog games like you do.
You said;
quote: “You meant VAL’s language is vulgar and trashy”
You’re asking me if I think Val’s language is vulgar and trashy? You are assuming too much Bees. I haven’t read at Val’s in quite some time so I have no idea of what kind of language used to describe a person she doesn’t like. It’s her blog site, right?
You said: You find the word douchebag to be trashy and vulgar? I think that someone flapping about on the blogs trying to plant seeds of doubt in order to protect a baby-killer to be FAR, FAR, FAR more trashy and vulgar.
To You: I would describe a person asking for a leaf from a murdered child’s burial site to be mailed to them is beyond MORBID. “Sick” is the word that comes to my mind.
BTW, I still find the word “douche bag” offensive. (wink)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24373753/detail.html
Mixologist, I hope this is it.
You people must be kidding me, I am not about to get whooped! Just read and sit on
my hands with my thumb up my butt to keep me out of trouble, my thumb? no not really just a saying. I’ll be watching! lol
Respectfully, JB,
It’s never occured to me that something might be amiss for some of the items I collect, so that I might never forget, like that baby food jar full of ash collected after Mt. St. Helen’s blew and near buried our house. The air was thick as mud, and the morning, dark as night. We had to move away due to a siblings breathing problems. The jar of ash is but one of many cherished items kept in three shoe boxes that move with me, wherever I go.
There are leaves in the box as well. Laminated so they don’t crumble. Maple and Aspen pulled from the trees outside our door, the year our mother died and again we were relocated. I guess I could have kept one of the rings to which her colostomy bags were attached, but to me the memory that would inspire, would be morbid. The leaves offer hope. They remind me that the trees are still thriving, which to me is a symbol of life, not of death.
I could go on and on about the things in the boxes – an agate, a lock of hair, a shoelace, so many things that bring back significant memories, that might otherwise blow like dust in the wind. I don’t have a leaf from the area where Casey dumped Caylee. Instead I have a twig, which is like everything else, just some little something that I take out of the box from time to time and reflect on what is, what might have been, what should have been, and how I might do my part to make things just a little bit better for somebody else.
I’m not downing you for your opinion. Please understand that. I’m just trying to explain those such as myself who see things a bit differently than it is that you do. That’s all.
Hunter
theJBmission ————–Amen!
Thank you Hunter. That was the right link. And wow…NeJames is really kicking ol bozo around in that motion, isn’t he?
Has anyone read the letters between Mark NeJame and Cindy Anthony?
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Hunter you brought a tear to my eyes regarding your “collections” as memento’s of your life and those in your life.
I see nothing morbid in anyone wanting at the time it was offered, a momento of Caylee.
I haven’t. Where are they linked, Linda?
It makes me so angry to see how lawyers can twist around things and post them in filings to the court which so COMPLETELY subvert the truth.
Case in point….Baez’s filing yesterday “Motion to Quash the Court’s Order” re the TES searchers. He states that there’s no way Casey could have put Caylee’s body there since she was incarcerated and it wasn’t put there before bacause TES people had looked there and it wasn’t there. What a crock! He also said they had found people that would say it wasn’t under water at that time (August)
In the same filing, they included copies of a telephone recording made by one of Baez’s investigators (Jerry Lyons) to David Lohr, who was there on the scene at the time as a writer for Discovery Channel. He said it was end of August/September and was on Suburban Dr with a group of about 12 of TES people. In his own words (in the recorded statement attached to Baez’s motion) he says the following:
“Well, we got out there and there was, oh maybe, a dozen searchers there, the only person that I recognized was this guy named “Mondo”, he was a searcher for Texas Equusearch from Texas. The other people there, I have no idea who they were, I just assumed they were community volunteers, and who were starting to head off into the area, they were spread apart, you know, stuff like that, they had gotten in, I don’t know, I want to say, maybe TEN (capitals mine) feet, if that, and Mondo pulled them out of the area, he said IT WAS TOO WET TO BE SEARCHED. (Caps mine)”
Investigator asked “Okay, and this is the area where they found Caylee’s remains?” He answered “Yes”
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And Baez runs on and on in his filing that “it wasn’t under water, therefore if the body was there the searchers would have found it.”
Also the neighbor kid that who’s back yard backs up to that area said it was under water at the time.
I just get so angry and frustrated that this defense team spends all our tax money and tieing up the coursts with such nonsense!!
Bozo is doing anything he can do to discredit TES, because he has NO case.
JB did you really just say you do not play the internet blog games? I am sure you post at one of the most vile blogs of all. No not your blog, although it is a close second. You post at Bab. You hang out with felons. It is all good though right, it is in the name of Justice for Caylee. I know for a fact Bab steals email addresses and gravatars. You may not like one blog but you are sadly mistaken if you think Babs is better. Bees I believe had her email hacked at the bab site. That happened a long time ago. When it happened I knew, Bab was falling all over himself to make it look like another blogger did it. You are a troll! Val rocks you suck.
So you made it happen anyway Jbisaliari aka “Somebody Else” in drag..
Don’t worry about me and Val..it’s all good and this won’t work.
Don’t worry about me and BAB, totally different subject.
But do worry that you’ve had to come here and TRY to spread a rumor because you didn’t like my comeback to Bees. That won’t work either.
And NO ONE steals and posts email addresses at BABS.
Good try whoever you are.
This whole conversation has the makings of a group I’m ever so familiar with.
Too bad, I just don’t like the word “douche bag”
LOL
You forgot to mention “Mondo” is now in prison. You forgot the part about Nejame wanting Lohr to ghost write a book
August 3, 2010 recorded
Jerry LyonsTalks to Lohr
Lohr was originally working for Investigation Discovery of Discovery Channel Network.
He was sent to Orlando to cover the TES search for Caylee. Tim Miller was being showcased in the coverage. There was a PR person named Mandy Albritton who was waiting for him. When he arrived she consulted with TM who sent him to the “hot zone” on Suburban Drive.
When JL asks him why is it referred to a “hot zone” he explains because of the close proximity to Casey’s home and school. < DUH
Lohr refers to Search 1 as being the area where Caylee was eventually found. Search 2 is across the street near Hidden Oaks Elementary.
He said he didn't recognize anyone there except for Mondo who is from TX and was a team leader with TES. He later mentions Mondo is now in prison on a drug charge.
Sometime between June and August 2010, Nejame contacts him with a ghost writing deal. Nejame explains the waiver George and Cindy had signed. He'd like to tell his story in a book about the behind the scenes events in the Caylee Anthony murder. When TM's name is mentioned, Lohr tells him he and TM had a falling out.
yada, yada, yada.
I believe this is the crux of the convo, Nejame is just another media tramp no better than LP and TM likes to be in the limelight too.
FYI, This is how other people read it.
Off topic but on “plea discussion KC claimed she was offered!” (The PHANTOM PLEA that never existed!)
This is the “use immunity deal Baez requested John Allen contact LD Burdick over” for KC, Ashton has already said there was no “phantom plea,” I assume KC was “confused when she said there was a plea deal, Baez wanted USE IMMUNITY for KC,” guess Baez didn’t know the difference in USE Immunity & a PLEA because KC didn’t understand it either. To think if KC had an experienced attorney, one that could have “worked a deal for her, she might not be looking at the DP right now.” KARMA! What a tangled mess Baez & KC have made of the murder of Caylee, KC’s continued self destructive behavior & arrogance have gotten her just where she is & imo, will get her just what she deserves.
Sad that LD Burdick ask Baez if KC wanted to help locate Caylee, imo, she just wanted the Duct Tape off Caylee’s face!
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1082457/Casey-Anthony-immunity-email
mixologist74, I agree, Baez has nothing, he continues to get involved in ridiculous BS that doesn’t help the Defense, it only makes the Defense look more desperate.
M NeJames certainly wasn’t fooled by the Anthony’s BS & I laughed reading M NeJames “calling CA out for the liar she is.” I was just reading this letter to M NeJames in which CA claims that she & Gas Can George were truly looking for answers about Caylee. Most of us know “what a lie that is” just as NeJames knew it, LP, T Miller, LE/Detectives/FBI/State.
NeJames was exactly “spot on today when he told CA to QUIT DOING THE BIDDING FOR THE DEFENSE!” This letter just shows more of CA’s bidding. I certainly hope NeJames writes a book, exposing the Anthony’s & the lengths they have been willing to go to & LIE are unbelievable. YEA! CA did contact Tim Miller, but when T Miller arrived in Orlando & visited w/LE, he knew Caylee was “dead,” just like the Anthony’s knew. All that bullchit about a “live Caylee” was to “create reasonable doubt with Caylee sightings,” T Miller knew better, just like everybody else. I hope the Anthony’s continue to be “exposed,” & I hope Baez has “absorbed that having the Anthony’s do his bidding” isn’t lost on anyone, especially M NeJames. jmo.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24581637/detail.html
This whole game of mine is bigger than yours between Jose’ & Nejame is sincerely beginning to chap me.
Now, what baffles me is how all these supposed searchers of that site have decided to remain silent until they have an ax of some sort to grind.
They have a tiff with someone and POOF there they are, anyone stating they searched there should be subjected to a lie detector test just to cull out the B.S.
If someone from the media would be ever so kind as to revisit that area, knock on some doors and simply ask
“was this area under water after tropical storm Fay?”
I believe the question would be finally laid to rest.
In the mean time Jose’ & Mark need to zip up, and stop dragging this issue through the muck.
Let Judge Perry put the hammer down on this matter once and for all, and all parties follow the ruling to the letter.
Judy,
I think we’re in agreement. (don’t faint) 😀 It’s been common knowledge that there were plenty of other people who searched this area besides the one’s with TES. My friend who lives in Orlando told me that there were always people looking around this area. Common sense tells me RK wasn’t the only one with a hunch. This is the most obvious place because of KC’s own statement “I feel she’s close”. This set off a whole slew of do-gooders.
If they want the truth, polygraph everyone. Good idea.
Hunter,
I meant no disrespect to you or people who like to save bits and pieces of memory from their loved ones. I do this too. It’s not morbid if you know this person. There’s the reason. But to ask for anything from this crime scene, because that’s what it is then I think this person has mental issues.
I certainly don’t want a leaf or dirt from Caylee’s final destination. This is a bonafide crime scene. People who go strolling in this area should be checked out to the fullest, IMHO This is not normal. Unless the person wants to somehow place themselves into an investigation. That’s the only reason I can think of. Not a good idea.
judypc, what has fueled the fire it seems is that the “old emails”pertaining to a lot of it are just now coming out. I am glad the “Anthony’s bidding is exposed,” they have succeeded in making themselves “totally useless in KC’s defense.”
Lie Detector Test would be an excellent idea for the searchers. The problem for Baez, imo, is that even IF he had the 4,000 searchers names, he cold called “all of them,” it would be another attempt, just like with Roy Kronk just to point fingers at anyone except KC. As Hornsby has already said, Baez “can’t just point fingers & call it reasonable doubt, Baez has to have evidence to support a theory.” That person would have had to have had KC’s car, her keys, access to the Anthony home, dump Caylee at the remains site, & return KC’s car & keys to her so she could leave it at Amscot to eventually be towed.
jmo, it would seem Baez would just work with his lying client on saving her life explaining to KC that thus far, they can’t find anyone to blame it on & more importantly, the theory would have to be “believable as well as he would have to have evidence to back up the theory.” Thus far, nothing is remotely believable, I will find it surprising if Mason isn’t the voice of reason with KC, explaining she isn’t walking away from this murder. Mason has seen plenty of client’s sent to death row as well as LWOP, he realistically knows KC’s chances. (I would hope)
So far the ones that claim to have searched there are an assorted basket of fruit & nuts, not one has sounded the least bit like someone I would place in my deck of cards for holding an ace up my sleeve.
Now, speaking as someone that did in fact feel the brunt of tropical storm Faye I can tell one and all that gal came to Florida packing, she dumped on us for something like 8 days in a roll non stop down pours, then backed her bum up and came back for a second punch.
If someone expects me to believe that area was dry they better strap up to the poly cause I don’t think there was a dry spot in the whold dang state, even high ground was soaked, we had fish swimming in our streets and yards, gators were strolling through peoples living rooms.
I am not sure of a lot of things in my life, but one thing I would write a check on is that area was everything but dry.
Hi Mix—-Go to WFTV website–to Casey Anthony tab then to article:
Letters, Emails, Docs Released In Casey Case
Then to LETTERS: Anthonys | NeJame To Defense | Response
And you will see why I am Applauding Mark NeJame
JBMission, I appreciate your response, and certainly respect your opinion. I don’t, however, consider a twig taken from the area many, many yards away from where Caylee was dumped a desecration of Caylee’s grave, or a violation of the “crime scene”. To me the entire area is more where Caylee was left so all alone, her place of abandonment, and for so long.
No. I didn’t know her. But that doesn’t mean that she, and every child like her, isn’t a part of my heart. That I didn’t know her doesn’t mean that I didn’t experience the helplessness of not having been able to comfort and protect her in some way.
The heinous murders of children affect me deeply. In gathering up the twig I was able to hold something that was near enough to where she had been that it offered me some solace. Like having reached to take her hand, or to have some part that I could yet protect. Perhaps you can’t understand that. Perhaps no one can, but what would that matter? It was me and my heart; and even if I had asked for a twig or a leaf that someone else had to send to me, the reasons for my requesting it would still be the same.
Hunter
Linda, I don’t have to look to applaud NeJame! I will, none the less. 🙂
But first, for JB’s benefit, and without going into any detail, as I was NOT a part of the search for Caylee, I do know some who were, and not your common volunteers, nor any from TES, but who worked closely with TES. TES was not the only search and rescue crew out there. There were others and ALL have maintained that the area in which Caylee was found was unsearchable, as it was underwater. ValHall has written extensively on this subject, and I would suggest that JB hop on over to the Hinky and re-familiarize herself as to the state of the area at the time.
I would ask you, JB, what is it that you think Baez has that might prove or otherwise support Casey’s innocense? For the life of me, I can’t find so much as a scrap.
Again, with all due respect,
Hunter
Hunter said, on August 11, 2010 at 7:57 am
” That I didn’t know her doesn’t mean that I didn’t experience the helplessness of not having been able to comfort and protect her in some way. ” So very well said.
I do not find someone keeping a memory of Caylee strange. I have a tshirt from a private search group and I refuse to get rid of it. I don’t think either of you are suspect at all in keeping your remembrances. I do, however, find it suspect and hateful that anyone would insinuate that you are insinuating yourself into a murder! That is just uncalled for and serves no purpose other that disruption. Please don’t let anyone make you feel uncomfortable about this.
Hunter said, — did I read correctly that you took a twig from neasr where Caylee’s remains were found?
I too remember Fay. While we were not in the area so affected by the storm, we had tropical moisture hanging around for days. The day bozo wrapped his arms around casey and held the umbrella over her head as he escorted her out of jail, TS Fay’s rains were just beginning to fall. The area was inundated for over a week. People lost their homes to her floods. I think that attempts to prove that area was dry are simply futile. The homeowners in the area say it was under water for months. They had no agenda, no reason to lie.
OH — today is August 11th — the first date/time Kronk called the police….. and they came and saw nothing…………
ahemmmm….They came and a lazy azz cop did NOT look or do anything.
frankie ———————–ahemmmm…. where u with the cops?
Yo, yes.
Yo, it was months after the area had been cleared.
Yo – No, were you?
Hunter— I am curious …. why would you take a ‘momento’ — she wasn’t family … or was she… to me, it’s a tad mormid ….. actually, I wouldn’t ever take something from near where a dead child was found…. just my thoughts….
Yo, does someone have to be related to you, in order for you to experience another’s joy or sorrow? She was dead. She was a child. She’d been alone for months. That’s enough for me to have gathered the twig into my hand.
Frankie, correct me if I am wrong on this, but didn’t the cop eventually admit that he did not do a thorough search?
Also, Mr. Schaeffer, should you happen by: From what you have seen thus far, is there any actual evidence that would support Casey’s innocense?
BBL – like to eat. Got to work.
Good day to all.
Hunter said ———— no problem, I was just curious ….. and what the significance was to you ….. there are so many lost and missing children… perhaps we all shoudl adopt a forest ……
Hunter:
Many people took Caylee into their heart, that is what drew most of us together, we wanted to try to understand how this very sad tragic event came to be.
Thousands went to the area and placed tokens of their love and heartbreak for a child no one could save.
Thousands searched, and yes many took something such as you did as a way of remembering a murdered baby left like unwanted trash to be swallowed up by animals and the earth.
You do not need to explain why you wanted to remember her, it is enough that you simply felt her in your heart, and maybe because of you wanting to hold her in your thoughts you may one day see another child that needs help, you will think of Caylee and in that instant you will reach out and be in time to save one.
By all means, keep your heart open and continue to have soft places in it, it gives the rest of us hope that there is still kindness in this often harsh world.
Hunter, I agree with judypc, you do not need to answer or explain yourself to Yo Hola or anyone else, she has endless questions of others, if you notice, they are usually one liners questioning others, their judgement, their comments, or thoughts. She contributes very little to any discussion or interaction, I was laughing at you & frankie providing Yo Hola short, one liners to her questions, most appropriate. LOL!
Click Orlando & Orlando Sentinel have articles on KC losing her Driver’s Lic. because she hasn’t paid fines/costs. It reminds me of the ridiculous letters of Gas Can George writing KC with concern “about KC losing driving privileges if she didn’t renew them, or she should watch what she ate.” LMAO when reading comments at OS when someone suggested that “KC losing her license was really going to screw up her Christian Ministry when traveling in her RV.” LOL!
One of my favorite websites, excellent interview w/T Miller on the Conditions of the Dump Site as well as commentary on Motions. TM talks about GA’s friend from Ohio & told TM that GA knew the answers “to where Caylee was, was in KC’s bedroom.”
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2010/08/jose-baez-and-cheney-mason-still.html
JB, go nuts if you want to. I really couldn’t care less. You’ve been dragging your “Casey is innocent” tale for months, and you know I’ve never spoken to you on any blog but your own and that was awhile ago. Since then I’ve never directed any comment in your direction. Never asked you a question. Never gone to your blog.
So what would posses you to drag my name and language into something public? Over one word!! Get. A. Grip. There have been far worse words you might come across on other blogs than DOUCHEBAG. As I said yesterday, my adjectives are none of your business. Please refrain from sticking your nose into my language. Thank you.
As you told me,
“If you think it’s okay to talk trash and use vulgar language, have at it. I won’t follow suit because it’s against my upbringing. I guess you are what you are.”
JB, those short little sentences tell me everything I need to know about you.
Byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeee . . .
JB, I made the mistake of reading one more of your comments.
You absolutely DID make a comment about VAL first!!!! You said: “VAL doesn’t allow that language on her blog.” When I said, yes she does, then you quickly said Oh, I meant BLINK.
YOU, and ONLY you, brought up MY name first, VAL’s name first, and BLINK’s name first. IT IS ALL RIGHT ABOVE IN BLACK & WHITE. SHEEEEESH . . . go play your stupid games somewhere else and let the grown-ups here discuss the TRUTHS of this case.
Communicating with you is like communicating with the douchebag.
BEES KNEES, I enjoyed reading your comments to her & LMAO when you quoted Val, one of my favorite blogs! She won’t visit those other blogs as the commenter’s “will hold her accountable for ridiculous comments” & Val will step in & say it isn’t “factual.” You told me awhile back to SKIP over her comments, I took your advice & do exactly that. You are going to have to do the same, IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE. You have many friends on this site that enjoy your contributions, just about everybody knows her game except a few newbies that are reading & learning, they will decide for themselves.
jbisaliari, thanks for defending me. LOL!!! I haven’t read the last four or five comments from JB and I won’t, but I can tell just by reading the other comments that s/he insulted more people than just me.
The more I hear, I, like you, think s/he is most likely a troll. I’ve just been ignoring her until I caught the comments about “douchebag” while scanning qquickly down the screen. Of course s/he will deny s/he’s a troll but ask yourself . . . knowing full well that casey killed Caylee, why are some people like JB and OrlandoEast etc. still trying hard to convince us of her innocence??? Can anyone answer that?
art, thanks! I didn’t see your comment until now. I stopped reading her a long time ago when it became apparent that she’s trying as hard as she can to convince people that casey is innocent. I thought she started her own blog or something ~ somewhere she can rave away on her own but I guess we can assume that her blog isn’t demanding much attention if she has the time and desire to visit other blogs and pick fights with someone who was in no way speaking to her. And of course Yo, you have to stick your nose into it too. I’ve never spoken one word to you, so what’s up your butt? Neither of them contribute anywhere. Yo really only says one or two words (???) and JB refuses to back up her stupid theories with any facts (???). What a great pair. Gee, we’d sure miss their valuable comments if they didn’t post here. SNORT!!! Are you reading JB or Yo? Respectfully do not bother addressing any of my comments or critisizing my comments. It will be a waste of your time if you do. Thanks.
‘K ~ now ENOUGH. Neither Yo or JB are worth even two minutes of my time so I’ve overdone it. Carry on, gals! At least we are all on the “right” side and not supporting casey. That tells you something about them again, doesn’t it? I gotta go . . . see ya later!
Now lets address the statement
“the first date/time Kronk called the police….. and they came and saw nothing”
Here are the facts of why they saw nothing.
MON, August 11, 2008 – Roy K. was assigned to read water meters in the Chickasaw Trail area. He had a theory about Caylee based on Casey’s statement, “she’s close.” Roy K. went into the wooded area on Suburban DR near the Hidden Oak Elementary School. Roy K. called 911 to report seeing “something that looks white and like a gray bag down there.”
( imo he saw the white laundry bag perhaps )
TUE, August 12, 2008 – At 9:11 p.m. Roy K. places a 2nd call to OCSO to report a suspicious bag in the 8900 block wooded area of Suburban Drive. He was told to call the Crimeline and to make arrangements with LE to meet him at the sight in the daytime the next day.
WED, August 13, 2008 – Roy K. called OCSO for the 3rd consecutive day. Deputy Richard Cain was the 1st responding officer on the scene. Kethlin Cutcher was dispatched at 3:32 p.m. to a suspicious bag on Suburban Dr. A white male [Roy K.] who looked concerned told Cutcher…
“she told them she was very close.”
Cutcher DID NOT go into the wooded area, but Deputy Cain told her it was “JUST TRASH.”
“there was water in the area and he did not want to walk through it,”
If you read Cains depo taken before he was fired for NOT DOING HIS JOB, he admits he did not check the bag he ASSUMED it was trash.
THU, August 21, 2008 CASEY RELEASED FROM JAIL 10:30 a.m.
Tracy M. of the Leonard Padilla Bounty Hunter team was assigned to be with Casey 24/7.
She was the only one on LP’s team who was allowed to stay overnight in the Anthony home.
Noted below are some highlights of her observations and conversations with Casey:
Casey’s demeanor was happy-go-lucky and personable – greeting Tracy M. with a big hug and smile.
Casey mentioned that OC Correctional officers were nice to her and “they love me.”
Casey never mentioned Caylee.
Tracy M. talked about Caylee pics, Casey gets out her photo album and just talked about herself.
George kept his distance from Casey after a shouting match with her.
He demanding that she stop telling LIES!
Tracy was stunned by Casey’s stone-cold reaction to a finding that air sample test results from her car trunk showed signs of human decomposition.
Casey’s response was “A lot of people had access to that car,”
Tracy mentioned the death band on the hair found in the trunk.
Casey replied, “Well I’m alive.”
Casey’s comment about “they haven’t found her clothes” was strange Cindy & Casey’s comments about the shovel and ladder conflicted.
Cindy told Casey to shut up. Casey said, “They didn’t get the timeline right” as she watch media coverage of her case.
Casey says, “If it goes to court it’s going to be a mistrial & change of venue – there are so many discrepancies in the discovery…. everybody is lying….there’s too much publicity….”
Casey’s comment about chloroform.
Tracy mentioned GHB – commonly called the date-rape drug.
Tracy asked Casey if she knew what the drug was and its effects.
Casey said, “Like roofies or chloroform,”
[Note: Roofies is slang for Rohypnol – aka: date-rape drug.]
Casey listened obsessively (13 times) to a song called ♪ ♫ ♪ “The Past” ♪ ♫ ♪ by Sevendust w/Chris Daughtry.
(Source Humble Opinion timeline) imo one of the best timelines put together.
judypc, don’t forget, Tracey turned around and there are letters from her to Casey in jail, and she also sent Casey money. Isn’t that weird? Her letters were very affectionate, as good friend to good friend.
Thank you Judy for posting the supporting info that the deputy did NOT do his job… So the correct statement is as I posted. It was not that ” they came and saw nothing ” but that they came and did NOT LOOK, so of course they saw nothing! That doesn’t mean Caylee was not there. 🙂
Hunter & (I think) Bees: Your desire to remember this lost child is simply the capacity to care for another human being. That compassion is what drives the desire to volunteer, to donate when a disaster occurs and what makes us human beings. Thank God you and others have that compassion or the world would be inundated with hateful, suspicious, paranoid, snarky people like the ones trying to imply a morbidity to your actions. I cannot imagine a world where there is no compassion and I honestly hope that these people who invalidate your compassion will indeed find someone else capable of that same spirit when they need it.
muesli: I agree, very strange. Tracy has always been an enigma. I have to wonder what the change in attitude is all about.
DO NOT FORGET it WAS NOT Jose, it WAS NOT the Anthonys, it WAS NOT Lenny Padilla or anyone else…. IT WAS MARK NEJAME that took the 5,000 retainer fee the Anthony’s gave him (obviously they hired him he was not probono) and got that blood money out of his hands and gave it to Roy Kronk who is the hero that found the remains of poor Caylee Anthony.
I think the Anthony’s are so controlling that they wanted the body close by so they would know if anyone was close to it. They also knew that was low land and always flooded. I think she was intentionally put there for those reasons.
Mark is the only one who can hold his head up and the only attorney in this whole fiasco I would even consider to hire if I ever had a problem.
I remember the day when Wiliam Murtaugh aka “Murt” was standing on the courthouse steps behind Nejame filming Nejame’s right ear so Murt could appear on National Media and the look Nejame gave Mr. William Murtaugh “Murt”. Nejame I’m sure knew Murt was the biggest fraud of them all.
Someone needs to look into that man William Murtaugh. I bet if LE really took a good look at him the men in white jackets would Baker Act him. Hook him up to a lie detector test and see what he’s been saying on the Internet and how he has injected himself into the Trenton Ducket Case, the Casey Anthony Case, and the Haleigh Cummings case (while he claims he likes sexually like little kids under age 5… remember tails for a boy and heads for a girl at a mall because he was “horny” This was part of discovery in the Anthony Case.. check it out!) Maybie he’s a kiddy porno guy? He sure talks about it enough. Protect our kids and our adults from harassment. I wonder when Lake County is going to collect their 44K plus in fines and clean up his place so his neighbors do not have to live next to a property out of compliance with building and zoning laws. I’d hate to be his neighbor. I also think there is evidence of Federal Mail Fraud as well. Soliciting donations illegally without proper licensing. When will justice ever be served on the periphery of the people who have inserted, lied and been exposed. Let’s be proactive as well as retroactive and protect our society.
We need a hero like Nejame to protect our children, women and internet citizens against a stalker like Murt.
Mr. Nejame and others who are reading this please investigate to make the world safer for internet citizens and little children, so TES or any other organization doesn’t have to be called back to Florida to perhaps locate another missing child in the Orlando area that could have been prevented by heeding and investigating something that has been presented to you Please take this heads up seriously. If you check out the Internet the man’s own words and actions will speak loudly enough for much concern.
Here is a blog that shows what needs to be seen by LE and others involved in the Anthony Case re Murt aka William Murtaugh. Learn the Truth About Murt by his own words, actions, deeds.
http://murthaven-florida.blogspot.com/
That is the truth about Murt by his own words!
Keep reading folks….I hope LE pays attention!
This case has brought out some epic wierdos and some are “vary” dangerous
Good afternoon! I hope this isn’t too off topic now, but the following link is to an article written by David Lohr on Sept. 11, 2008, regarding TES and FL 3 Airboat Search and Rescue. The article makes it clear that the search area was under water.
FL 3 did not search the area where Caylee’s remains were found, but another suspect area. The fact remains, the area was flooded and for Caylee’s own sake Tim would not go in. I hope this helps to clear up some of the discrepancies.
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/09/the-caylee-anth.html
I’m humbled by the many comments made regarding my collection of but a small twig. Thank you.
muesli:
Tracy said she honestly liked Casey, and felt sorry for her, she has offered her help and friendship, she has never said she thought Casey was innocent, just that Casey was a likeable person.
I do not doubt that Casey can be just that when it suits her.
judypc, thanks for sharing the timeline on the calls Kronk made. I always thought it was interesting that Kronk was also a “former bounty hunter!” Kronk, like everybody else imo, wondered where KC “dumped Caylee,” most of us realized to she “was too lazy to bury her as she was too lazy to even have a job, she preferred to steal.” The reward was pretty high for Caylee for awhile, the money was a good reason for Kronk to look for Caylee as well as he needed the money.
The problem I have w/LE is that Cain should have been FIRED immediately in Dec. 2008, imo. He was put on desk duty, then fired. Then Cain got an attorney & thought he would fight it but apparently realized he “would look like the lazy LE officer he was, he was negligent, Caylee decomposed due to his incompetence.”
LP had said on NG that Rob Dick nor Tracy have sold their stories but he wouldn’t rule it out, meaning after the Verdict. M NeJames said he hasn’t ruled out “writing a book but the proceeds would go to TES if he decided to do so. NeJames is getting KUDOS on many blogs, especially OS’s supporting him writing a book, interesting, imo, he would be excellent. I think a lot of M NeJames, he is aggressive, has a fine reputation, doesn’t put up the Defense crap, & calls those out such as the Anthony’s for lying.
frankie, nice thoughts about “compassion & Caylee.” I always wondered if “some of Tracy’s interview was with held” from the public, there are many missing links.
Defense is supposed to be doing depositions on Richard/Jesse Grund today, wonder if Baez will depose Trace/Rob Dick?
By the way, BRAVO, Judy! Bravo! (Judy said: 8/10/2010 11:47)
OldTimeRadio, the Anthony’s didn’t have two dimes to rub together! LOL! Supporter’s of the Anthony’s raised the $5,000.00 to give M NeJames to help the Anthony’s as they looked like idiots in the MEDIA. 5,000.00 is a small amount of money for M NeJames, he is an established Criminal Def Attorney, provided one of his businesses for TES to hold a place for orientations for Volunteers to look for Caylee, etc. He agreed to help the Anthony’s for that amount of money, the Anthony’s NEVER gave NeJames one cent, the money was raised on behalf of the Anthony’s by other people. The Anthony’s had a few supporter’s at the beginning of the case, besides the Milstead’s & the nut job friend of CA’s that beat her husband w/a baseball bat last yr. over some photograph’s, the Anthony’s have few friends left except Conway & Jim Litchenstien who is planning to make big $$$$ for himself when the case is over.
I agree with your thoughts/comments on NeJames. KUDOS to him for giving Kronk the $5,000.00 the Anthony’s gave him for finding Caylee. As NeJames said, “we wouldn’t have Caylee if not for Kronk.” There has been a lot written on Murtard, videos, etc. He is definitely another blood sucker that was interjecting himself into Caylee’s murder.
Hunter, thanks for sharing the link, & it is humbling to read that you have kept a real memento of Caylee’s, to think the Anthony’s/KC/Baez sold every memory that could get their hands on for profit off Caylee’s murder makes me sick.
art tart —————- I’ve been out most of the day — was jus scrolling back to read posts — and truth be known……….. your comments present that you are not such a “nice” person…. why do you feel the need to denegrate posters? Like ME ????
Art Tart:
They have to follow the rules and putting Cain on desk duty before his hearing before the review board is just step one.
It did not take them long to uncover the truth, and to their credit they did not try to hide any of it, they did not make excuse’s or try to protect one of their own.
They reamed him out, then fired him, then provided the report in full to the public.
So that has always in my mind shown L.E. was not ever in cover up mode or trying to invent a case.
They could have buried the truth about Cain, and even when it reflected bad on their department they sucked it up and took the knock.
Yo hola, I am a wonderful person, I don’t insult commentor’s except for you & I don’t give jbmission the time of day! I have grown bored with your one liners which are rarely about the case. I am tired of you challenging or questioning others just like most others on this blog that have said the same to you, over and over and over, you just never get it! You don’t contribute any original thoughts on the case, you just ask questions, even ask someone if they had been here before under a different name which of course is also none of your business, when you could have commented on the case, you ask questions which don’t pertain to the case. You piss & moan when many have called Baez a douche bag, which is also none of your business, if you don’t like it, who cares, don’t read it! Why in the world would you think ANYONE CARES what you find appropriate?
Someone wrote a nice piece the other night with some great thoughts & instead of discussing the case with them, you & jbmission proceeded to do your “pissing & moaning about Morgan, whom, knows what you are both about.” What Morgan does in Germany is none of your business nor jbmissions but Morgan will certainly “call you out on her own once she reads your one liners.” She told jbmission to “piss up a rope,” she will probably tell you the same.
I found it entertaining today to watch other’s answer you in snarky one liners just like you write, perhaps if everyone answered you that way, you might finally get it. I believe I read earlier this week where mixologist74 again ask you if you ever “contributed anything to the case.” I read your harassment of mixologist WHO DOES contribute to the case & you just continue the cycle, one liners, snarky, don’t pertain to the case, WHO CARES?
judypc, thanks for the information. It makes me sick to think of little Caylee, lying in the sun, decomposing, I guess we can’t speculate “what if,” but I can’t help myself sometimes.
Has anyone heard why bozo cancelled depo’s again today? I hope Judge Perry steps in an demands he stop playing his dishonest games! This nonsense is harassment, plain and simple. This creep schedules depos, people rearrange their lives and he just cancels them? WTF…He is just trying to create havoc with their lives and JUDGE PERRY needs to take notice and put a stop to this IMMEDIATELY!!!! He pisses and moans that he can’t get cooperation then he repeatedly pulls this BS. He is such a ftard! How despicable can he possibly get???
BRAVO, people!!!
Art tart & frankie:
Both great comments.
As for bozo…he’ll keep doing the same song and dance til he’s finally called out on it. I do wish he would straighten up, fly right, and do his job, because he’s dragging it on and on and he won’t be ready come time for trial. Not to mention, what a HUGE waste of taxpayer money.
The insinuation of a cover-up by LE is the defense’s way of covering up the fact that they have NO case, IMO. Bozo is a dumbass. PERIOD.
good afternoon TardsRUs, (cute name,) LindaNewYork, & frankie!
I have not read about Baez “cancelling the depositions on the Grund’s,” you have to wonder if it is more “Defense Games.” This is the 2nd time that he has cancelled them, isn’t that correct, then he cancelled the Forensic Experts from Oak Ridge Lab because his tiny brain was on “overload” with his own experts coming into town to view evidence.” jmo, seems abusive, disorganized, confused, & disconnected, more of the same from the defense. Bet if the Grund’s had cancelled on the “Circus,” they certainly would have called a news conference to whine or file a Motion whining.
TardsRUs, your right, until Baez is AGAIN embarrassed, which seems to be on a weekly basis, he will just continue. It’s sad, I was reading about it being Caylee’s 5th birthday a few days ago, how excited she would have been to go to kindergarten, how, as Hal Bodeker stated, that “Caylee is always being overshadowed,” this time by the “ridiculous calls from Lunceford” getting all the publicity.”
mixologist74, I agree!
art: I heard it on WFTV’s Five O’clock news
TY TardsRUs! I too love the name!
frankie, the thing is, The Grund’s made arrangements to attend their depositions, they are honest & good people, their time is as “valuable as the Defense/Circus.” Perhaps next time the “Grund’s might opt to cancel on the Circus,” I would be interested in knowing if Baez even “set up a Court Reporter for the deposition.” Did you read where Baez tried to get JAC to pay $470.00 (approximatively) for the last deposition which they denied, they said she “wasn’t on their list.” I guess the JAC has a list of Court Reporters that are approved, probably a contract fee I would guess for depositions. It will be interesting to see if she has to “SUE the defense to get her money like one did before w/Baez.”
Muzikman from WS got these dates of Depositions to be taken. Reading at WS is very interesting, especially when the Defense sat on KC’s $325,000.00, it would seem they would have “taken a lot of these depositions especially if they were working on a defense for KC,” such as Roy K., Dr. G, the Grunds! After all, KC had the money to PAY for these important depositions.
MuzikManfrom WS got these, THANKS!
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97411&page=4
07.19.2010 SA Notice of Cancellation of Depo Bradley Wright [Kronk]
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/48538453…lation-of-Depo
07/26/2010 Defense Notice Of Depo (Bodyfarm staff)
Michael Burnett, Madhavi Martin, Mark Wise, David Glasgow, Dr Vass
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/48545521…rm-Depo-Notice
07/29/2010 Defense Notice of Depos (Dr. Jan G, Gary Utz, Yuri Melich,
Gerardo bloise, Dawn Murphy, Michael Vincent, Jennifer Welch,
Jesse Grund, Richard Grun
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/48546512…otice-of-Depos
July 30, 2010
Roy Kronk – Defense depo
August 6, 2010
Gerardo Bloise – Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Dawn Murphy – supposed to be “Murray” – Dept Children & Families
Michael Vincent – CSI Inv searched Anthony backyard with dogs
Jennifer Welch – OCSO
August 11, 2010 – Defense RESCHEDULED from July 30, 2010
Jesse Grund
Richard Grund
August 13, 2010 – Defense RESCHEDULED from July 9, 2010
Dr. Jan Garavaglia – Medical Examiner
September 10, 2010 – Defense RESCHEDULED from Sept 3, 2010
Yuri Melich – OCSO
September 23, 2010 – Defense RESCHEDULED from July 9, 2010
Gary Utz – Medical Examiner
July 13, 2010 – Defense depositions – all RESCHEDULED for Sept 21, 2010 in Knoxville, TN
Michael N. Burnett – Oak Ridge Lab
David C. Glasgow – Oak Ridge Lab
Madhavi Z. Martin – Oak Ridge Lab
Mark Wise – Oak Ridge Lab
July 14, 2010 – Defense deposition – RESCHEDULED for September 22, 2010 in Knoxville, TN
Arpad Alexander Vass – Oak Ridge Lab
July 21, 2010 – State deposition – State CANCELED this deposition
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/48538453…lation-of-Depo
Bradley Wright – former roommate of Kronk – depo in Miami, FL
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Wonder if jokin jose’ will cancel Dr G’s Deposition on Friday?
What a freak, I refuse to call him a clown I LIKE Clowns lol.
ROFLMAO @ Mix….August 11, 2010 at 4:40 pm
“Bozo is a dumbass. PERIOD.”
Short, sweet and to the point 🙂
Well Judy, sometimes the shorter and sweeter gets the point across better! ROFL
I’ll be back tomorrow probably…gotta reformat my pc 😦
art tart — what ever ———— If you’re happy ——— then I’m happy …………..
Yo Hola, I am always happy, especially when those that want to discuss & contribute to the case can do without being harassed by those that don’t!
mixologist74, I am having puter problems also, I have to get my son to “work w/it, I don’t have the patience,” lol.
judypc, hope Baez doesn’t play games w/Dr. G., after all, she might need to work on her TV Show as well as do other autopsies. Has anyone watched her show? I bet it is interesting but I haven’t watched one yet. KUDOS for her for having such a “great reputation” to have her own show. (bet LindaNY has watched!) Baez was probably “overwhelmed trying to contain his bad publicity for this week!
Does anyone know what’s up with LK Baden? I haven’t heard anything or read anything about her in awhile, wonder if she will bail if she gets the chance?
Judge Perry stated before that if there was any problems getting these depos done, Sheriff Demmings would be happy to go get the folks and bring them on down. Wonder if he meant bozo also?
Art:
The word is he plans to pound Dr G with questions on how could she say Caylee was murdered when she did not give a cause of death.
I hope she answers with “DUH DUMBASS 3 strips of duct tape, are we done?”
frankie, were those problems in relation to Kronk’s ex wives? I can’t remember who he was referring to, but I remember him saying that to LD Burdick in Court. Remember when Judge S said he would be around for D Casey’s “investigative deposition” if there were any problems? I wish we knew if that dirt bag got “total immunity” in exchange for everything he knows, & what he doesn’t. DC has NO “confidentiality with the Ant’s,” his deposition would be interesting to read..
judypc, it would seem Baez/Mason would recognize that someone more “qualified to interpret the information would be better at doing the deposition on Dr. G. but then, they don’t recognize much.” LK Baden has more brains & understanding of forensics than those two put together, maybe she doesn’t feel like flying “herself to Orlando to do the depo at her own expense, except for her hourly wage.” Perhaps she sent Baez some questions to ask but unless Baez knows exactly what to ask, I don’t see Dr. G. spending her time “educating Baez, I see her answering his questions.”
Any thoughts?
Art: I don’t remember specifically who he was referring to, but he was addressing LDB. Maybe someone should let His Honor know that the problem is the defense attorney, not the witnesses themselves!
IMO, Dr. G will answer his questions, but I don’t think she will go out of her way to educate bozo….especially since he will be his usual supercilious self!
frankie, I was hoping Dr. G. would ask Mason to assist her in applying some Duct Tape over Baez’s nose & mouth & see how long it took him to figure out how Caylee died, it’s not brain surgery but to Baez, it’s almost!
Art: Boy if you’re going to dream, dream big….LOL. I would truly like to put duct tape over all of their mouths and noses and let them really feel what Caylee endured. Of course I would remove it before they died….I really would! I promise!
I read awhile back that the STATE is going to do a 3-D presentation with the exact lengths of Duct Tape KC used & apply them to the face the size of Caylee’s so the jury will understand exactly what her mother did to her. It along with Ashton’s description of Caylee’s last moments, will be powerful, heartbreaking, & for the jury to see what was done will be overwhelming, at least it would be for me if I were on the jury, there just isn’t a “Reasonable explanation in the world,” a mother would have done this to a child but spite, anger, rage, hate,jealousy, imo. The jury, imo, will find no sympathy for what KC did to Caylee, then when the “dump site photos are shown, that after she was murdered, she was just dumped,” compounds the problems for the defense, & that doesn’t include the 31 days missing or the “bumping & grinding” KC did at Fusion in party pics during the 31 days while conducting her own investigation.
Bees said:
YOU, and ONLY you, brought up MY name first, VAL’s name first, and BLINK’s name first. IT IS ALL RIGHT ABOVE IN BLACK & WHITE. SHEEEEESH . . . go play your stupid games somewhere else and let the grown-ups here discuss the TRUTHS of this case.
Communicating with you is like communicating with the douchebag
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go play your stupid games somewhere else and let the grown-ups
here discuss the TRUTHS of this case.
She told jbmission to “piss up a rope,” she will probably tell you the same.
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LMAO!! Are you sure about “GROWN UPS”?
piss douche bag !!!
ewwww…Nasty [gagging]
Okay, okay…I give up!! I finally know now who and what kind of people post here.
Not my kind, that’s for sure.
OMG, shame shame…I’m outta here.
Bees Knees, Aren’t you that same bitch that used to hang out with Michelle from Madison on a blog poster by the name Courtney somebody or somebody Courtney. Weren’t you two the cause of that blog going down. I’ll be damn, I thought somebody swatted you, but here you are by golly, just as bitchy as ever. Two years and you haven’t changed a bit. Whatever happened to MFM?
judypc said, on August 11, 2010 at 7:15 pm Art:
The word is he plans to pound Dr G with questions on how could she say Caylee was murdered when she did not give a cause of death.
I hope she answers with “DUH DUMBASS 3 strips of duct tape, are we done?”
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The word?
But, Dr. G did not say that Caylee was “murdered”. And she DID give a cause of death – “homicide”. She listed the cause of death as “homicide by undetermined means”. Homicide means the killing of a person due to the act or failure to act of another. Aside from murder, it can include accidental death by reckless means, etc.
A lot of people assume homicide means murder. Dr. G did not have enough evidence from the remains to give a means for the death.
Mason couldn’t really pound her about calling it a “homicide” because of the duct tape still in place on the mandible. SOMEONE had to put it there and it surely wasn’t Caylee.
I don’t think there will much he can attack Dr. G on, the remains were completely skeletonized, it’ll be fruitless – my opinion.
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How could this dr G know Caylee’s death was homicide? Why did he put that word in the report? Totally over the top, as there was no evidence of any violence or other indication of a murder. The ductape, it could easily have been put there by whomever transported the dead body, to keep the body in one shape so to speak. This Doctor G made a serious mistake. JMO.
The plants were growing through the bones. Plants, esp. the sort that grows there, grow very fast. Both I have heard. I don’t see how those plants would indicate that she had been there al along since Summer.
Oops dr G is a she 🙂
So, do you think the person transporting would have put the heart sticker on the tape to also try to “to keep the body in one shape so to speak”?
Newbie, was there a heart sticker on the tape? Really? I thought it was residue that seemed to be shaped like a heart. No real heart sticker. Was there? Even if there was
doesn’t necessarily mean the tape wasn’t put on after death, as a gesture of sorry this happened. After all it still can be ACCIDENTAL death. Homicide because the body was discarded i suppose, still maybe not premeditated murder.
Homicide (Latin: homicidium, Latin: homo human being + Latin: caedere to cut, kill) refers to the act of a human killing a human being. A common form of homicide, for example, would be murder. It can also describe a person who has committed such an act, though this use is rare in modern English. Homicide is not always a punishable act under the criminal law, and is different than a murder from such formal legal point of view.
* 1 Non-criminal homicide
* 2 State-sanctioned homicide
Non-criminal homicide
Homicides do not always involve a crime. Sometimes the law allows homicide by allowing certain defenses to criminal charges. One of the most recognized is self defense, which provides that a person is entitled to commit homicide to protect his or her own life from a deadly attack. For example, if a police officer confronts a suspect armed with a dangerous or deadly weapon, the officer may use force to stop the suspect. If this force ends up killing the suspect it is still considered a homicide, which in this case, is not illegal but self-defense.
Some defenses include:
* Right of self-defense and defence of others
* Insanity defense—There are several tests to check insanity
o M’Naghten Rules
o Insane delusion
o Irresistible impulse test
o Substantial capacity test
o Durham rule
o Diminished capacity test
* Duress
* Defence of property
* Prevention of a crime
* Privilege of public authority—A person who has public authority to commit an act is not criminally liable.
* Entrapment—The defense of Entrapment exists when a law enforcement officer (or an agent of an officer) solicits, induces, or encourages another to commit a crime which they otherwise would not have committed.
* Mistake of fact—The defense of Mistake of Fact asserts that a mistake of fact will disprove a criminal charge if it is honestly entertained, based upon reasonable grounds and is of such a nature that the conduct would have been lawful had the facts been as they were supposed to be.
* Mistake of law—Not a valid defense to crime except in rare instances where it negates an essential element of the crime. Therefore the old saying “ignorance of law is no excuse” is appropriate as a general rule.
* Unconsciousness—The defense of Unconsciousness holds that one who is unconscious, for instance, someone walking in their sleep, does not have the capacity to commit a crime.
State-sanctioned homicede
Homicides may also be non-criminal when conducted with the sanction of the state. The most obvious example is capital punishment, in which the state determines that a person should die. Homicides committed in action during war are usually not subject to criminal prosecution either. In addition, members of law enforcement entities are also allowed to commit justified homicides within certain parameters which, when met, do not usually result in prosecution. I got this from wikipedia.
The dp is homicide. Interesting.
Now I would like to know why dr G is certain that it was homicide and not natural death.
Or death caused by an animal.
Assuming the one that put Caylee there where she was found, killed her, is just assuming. We don’t know for sure. So to say the mother, Casey, killed her daughter, is assuming and how will Casey get the dp for that? Other things may have happened: someone taking care of Caylee (Casey f i ) noticed she was dead, and panicd. Just another scenario. Sorry I flurried. 🙂 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douche I think calling a person a douchbag is an insult. This blog is not to insult people on. Just a thought.
Ina, so homicide simply refers to the fact that someone was killed. put to death, there
are different ways that people are killed, it is still homicide, so you are right if dp is carried out it is a homicide, or is it just the one who gives the injection or gas that commits homicide. Very interesting reading. Some will say because of the tape over her mouth was how she was killed by Casey. because some want it to be so that can hate Casey and Cindy more and more and people don’t like to think they could be wrong.
Another homicide case, homicide by undetermined means…..similar circumstance as Caylee in that decomposition was so progressed…and there was defense effort to state or imply some other dude did it, or some group….
From Wikipedia…
The Murder of Laci Peterson took place in 2002…
…The woman’s cause of death was impossible to discern due to decomposition; the body was decapitated, the forearms were missing, the right foot gone, and the left leg from the knee down was missing.
Scott Peterson, was convicted of murder in the first degree for Laci, and in the second degree for their prenatal son. Scott is currently on death row at San Quentin State Prison.
…….posting the tape as a reason people supposedly use so they can “hate Casey and Cindy” is like saying, if not for that duct tape why folks would just not be able to help themselves they’d “like Casey and Cindy” but gosh that darned duct tape causes them to use it as a reason to hate them…what a load of manure…
Before long I expect some to say, Caylee taped her self up walked over to that lot climbed into those three bags and killed herself.
What a load is right RS.
Odd how when one has worn out their welcome suddenly a new name appears, POOF.
You, Rock 🙂 : The doc will have to clarify a bit about how she could see it was homicide. Clair voyante perhaps?
Typical, manure is also not a very civilized word to use either. It might sound better as shit, but it is still crap. Can’t be helped, just ignore the manure, Rock! 🙂
Exactly, Judy – and just to spew vile
Thank you, RS RE: Scott Peterson Case!
Regarding Caylee’s “homicide”. There is no Nanny to ask how she killed Caylee and the Mother won’t tell how she killed Caylee. The Mother did not say oops, there was an accident and Caylee died. The Mother did not say that Caylee wandered away and got lost (in the woods). Since Dr. G is a prfessional ME, I’m gonna go with what she said. After all most people, even babies that die by “accident” or natural causes, their family or Mother calls the police/and ambulance, they do not place them in the woods and not tell anybody!
I remember talking about the duct tape on another blog a long time ago about the tape being put on her nose and mouth to stop the decomp fluid. And however it came to be determined, it was said the decomp fluid coming out of her nose and mouth would have been too wet for the duct tape to adhere to her face, after all the duct tape was not put around the skeleten. I also thought way back that maybe Casey put it there to look like a “kidnapping” (after all when someone is kidnapped by a Nanny or anyone else, you put duct tape over the nouth of the person you are kidnapping).
The prosecution has already laid out how they think Caylee was sufficated by the duct tape. I am sure they will lay out their case where all roads lead to Casey as the one and only murderer.
So, Ina the prosecution is not “assuming”. People are charged with a crime by “assuming” The prosecution tells you why, via evidence at trial, whether it be circumstantial and/or forensic evidence.
Ina, do you think Casey used self defense when killing Caylee? Don’t you think if it was an accident, Casey would have said so by now, being that she could be put to death??
But by the preponderance of the evidence so far, and beyond a reasonable doubt, “I” assume Casey is guilty of killing Caylee.
Hello everyone!
art tart, Yes I have watched Dr. G’s shows but haven’t seen it on TV for a while!
Yes, Judypc, Jose IS giving clowns a bad name. I watched Bozo the clown when I was little and used to have fond memories of him…..
P.S. Bye JB!
Duct tape and the fact that the body was dumped in a laundry bag is all the proof she needed to say it was homocide. Obviously Caylee didn’t attach the three pieces of duct tape herself, hop in the bag, and throw herself into the swampy area.
I DID not mean: People are charged with a crime by “assuming” I MEANT People are NOT charged with a crime by “assuming”.
Hi Mix! goodmorning!
Nope Caylee did not put herself in a laundry bag and put duct tape over her mouth. Her Mother did that!!!!
Mix!!! 😀
Hiya LNY!
Hiya Linda! Hi Kim!
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out why Dr. G labeled this a homocide…only people who lack common sense would ask why.
http://law.justia.com/florida/codes/TitleXLVI/ch0782.html also a nice site.
I do not know what happened, it is up to the prosecution to prove Casey did homicide. The defense doesn’t have to prove Casey was innocent, but it would help if they could. I think the prosecution can’t prove homocide done by anyone. I don’t think the ductape and the laundry bag proofs a homicide was commited. And it doesn’t prove it was the mother who killed the child. So I would say – no case. Not enough evidence. Horrible enough that it will be an unsolved death. JMO. I am sure you think different. Sorry for being so bold as to say what I think.
Well mix, than I lack common sense. I never noticed it before 🙂
Sorry for the bad grammar btw, am in a hurry. Should be then, not than, that one I did see.
Ok, Ina, we are at a stalemate. I won’t speak for everyone (lol) but, “I” think Casey is the murderer. I also say there IS a case. I, and I won’t speak for everyone, will never convince you as to why we believe Casey IS the killer and you won’t convince me that she is NOT. So, I think I am going to try to stop.
And no, of course a laundry bag and duct tape will NOT be the only things that prove she killed Caylee. C’mon.
HI KIM!
Of course there is no case. In America, we just dump our dead babies in the jungle (yes, I live here, it is a jungle). No one saw it, so there is no case. Linda, why am I screaming? Do you have an extra valium for me?
Ina, this is getting ridiculous. We have been over this OVER AND OVER AGAIN with you, pointed at discovery material that shows that NOBODY else had access to Casey’s car, Caylee’s blanket, etc etc etc…and you continue to play dumb. I, for one, am DONE reading your nonsense.
IMO, she doesn’t want it explained nor does she want to understand – she wants to disagree, period
Imagine, Scott Peterson dialed 911 to report his wife missing and he is on death row…..
Jury didn’t buy dialing 911 so just wait till they hear this gal NEVER dialed 911 for her daughter…and drove a decompmobile around and was hanging out with a boyfriend similar to Peterson chasing after his other woman Amber
Yes, muesli, valium for everyone!!!!
Mix, it IS getting ridiculous and Kim, I agree…
In the words of the Great Pink Floyd Song..”I I I I I have become Comfortably Numb…..” I just cannot argue the point of Casey’s guilt and why anymore with Ina. Sorry, Ina, but just can’t.
Was listening to that song while reading….
So, Jose has had almost 2 years to depose all of these people…WTH has he been waiting for and then he keeps cancelling!!!!!!! She was charged in October 2008 ! The First prosecution witness list came out in November 2008: http://www.wftv.com/news/18008819/detail.html
He’s pussyfooting around and like I said yesterday, when it comes time for trial, he’s gonna be NOWHERE near ready.
He knows he has nothing – even if he had 400 people to depose he would still have nothing.
He knows he has nothing, otherwise fingers wouldn’t be pointing in all directions and he’d be sticking to ONE story.
Casey is sticking to one story
Rock: RE: your opinion possible accidental death, the evidence shows otherwise.
Rock, the evidence shows that Caylee’s death was not accidental, in the DOC Dumps from over 2 yrs. ago, in the reports, there was a small amount of DNA residue on the inside of the Duct Tape showing the Duct Tape was applied when Caylee was alive, of course this was released two years ago & for the few that didn’t read it, it is still available on the internet. Since it has been so long since all the reports came out, or some didn’t read the reports when they did, very few are now saying “it could have been an accident, but it isn’t even a consideration by the Defense.” WHY is that? Because it wasn’t an accident, the evidence shows otherwise!
Think about it! IF there was a remote chance that it could have been an accident, the STATE would not have put the DP on the Table, instead of arguing ALL THE FAILING MOTIONS against the DP, Lyon’s would have argued “It could have been an Accident, we just don’t know!” She DIDN’T! WHY is that? Because even the Defense “grasp the information proving it was not accident!” Gosh, the Defense would have had a fighting chance if KC had removed the Duct Tape after murdering Caylee, but she didn’t! Thank GOD! Had she, we might never have known, it would have only been Caylee’s skeleton & the other trash KC left.
IF Baez could only “whine an accident,” he wouldn’t have to continue to find “anyone to blame the murder on,” but even Baez understands it was murder, I guess LK Baden explained it to him, he & Mason continue their quest to find ANYONE to blame Caylee’s murder on instead of KC. Hornsby said due to where the Duct tape was placed, it was also premeditated.
LindaNewYork, of course Baez has had 2 yrs. to depose all these people, but then he would have had to spend KC’s money to pay for the depositions, IF imo, he was really representing his client zealously, he would have done them, like Dr. G, Kronk, the Grund’s, he DIDN’T! WHY? imo, Greed! The more he paid out to defend his client with “her money,” the less he made as salary!” KC’s money was going to run out, he apparently used it mostly for his salary, he was forced to “bring in a DP Qualified Attorney” by the State, but of course, he had taken all KC’s money as his salary, there was nothing left to pay for Lyon’s air fare but $22,000.00 from the $275,000.00 in which of the $200,000.00 he got from ABC + the $75,000.00 from Maculuso. Lyon’s College Legal Aid Fund donated over $50,000.00 to KC’s defense, imo, paperwork, filings, research, etc. that Lyon’s was doing, she actually worked her butt off.
imo, Baez is still the con man he was when denied a License to practice law for 8 yrs., he was able to “use all of KC’s money on himself,” KC had money to pay qualified attorney’s such as T Lenamon, Baez got “rid of Lenamon” because Lenamon isn’t free.” There is ONLY one attorney that has been paid a dime from KC’s case, it is the most inept, least experienced, not death penalty qualified, still having difficulty filing MOTIONS correctly, lied in Court to Judge P., the list is endless, Jose Baez!
Geez guys…my daughter is 21 now, but when she was 2-3, I can’t tell you the number of times I had to tromp down to the swamp, pull her out of the laundry and garbage bags she’d climbed into and rip the duct tape (usually three pieces) off her mouth! It happened at least once a week! Why are you giving Ina such a hard time!
Definition of Reasonable Doubt: “This means that the proposition being presented by the prosecution must be proven to the extent that there is no “reasonable doubt” in the mind of a reasonable person that the defendant is guilty. There can still be a doubt, but only to the extent that it would not affect a “reasonable person’s” belief regarding whether or not the defendant is guilty. “The shadow of a doubt” is sometimes used interchangeably with reasonable doubt, but this extends beyond the latter, to the extent many believe it an impossible standard[weasel words]. Reasonable doubt is therefore used.”
Of course, that is only going to work if one is REASONABLE! Our imaginations can lead anywhere, but common sense dictates that we look at everything known about the case and judge accordingly. We can make up fictional stories all day long, but the facts will debunk everyone of them. The only one that fits is casey.
FYI: I don’t hold cindy in any way responsible for the duct tape being used to murder her granddaughter. I can’t stand cindy because she is vile and hateful. She is ready and willing to destroy anyone, even little kids, to free her evil spawn. I could go on and on with the list of reasons cindy anthony is despicable, but I won’t bore you.
Oh yeah…I agree, it is odd that when a douche bag is told to go piss up a rope, it morphs into a cheerleader!
Hey everyone!
lol
well said. Frankie
ROTHFMAO @ silverbullit’
I sure hope your daughter has grown out of those pranks lol.
Oh I forgot to add, of course Caylee tossed a pizza, and a Couple of chloroformed squirrels in her momma’s trunk on her way to the swamp.!!!
LOL! great comments this morning!
silverbullit said, on August 12, 2010 at 10:50 am
LOL!
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frankie said, on August 12, 2010 at 10:56 am:
There can still be a doubt, but only to the extent that it would not affect a “reasonable person’s” belief regarding whether or not the defendant is guilty. “
BINGO! The operative words being “REASONABLE PERSON”S” and “Common Sense”. There are some who just aren’t reasonable people, able to “reason” with the evidence presented thus far.
There are also some with no common sense.
(Hi frankie!)
I was flabbergasted when I read that Dave Knetchel posted that the State must prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that casey is guilty. Although he purports to be very knowledgeable about this case, he is DEAD WRONG. Maybe that is why some people have such unrealistic expectations of the legal system.
Ina,
As calmly and as rationally as I possibly can, Ina:
How do you explain Casey’s internet searches for such things as: How to make chloroform, neck breaking, shovels, the wonderous image of the little girl looking up to the hanging bear captioned, ‘Why do people kill people who kill people, to show people that to kill people is bad?” And why the searches for information on missing children, prior to Caylee’s disappearance? Explain all of that, please, if you can, at all, without at least giving some consideration to the possibility of “premeditation”, and the deliberate murder of her little girl? Computer forensics report:
Click to access 17564976.pdf
And thanks Art for reminding us all of the DNA evidence found on the duct tape! I had forgotten about that. As for Baez and his bumbling, I hope to God that before this goes to trial, Mason will prove himself worthy of all of his credentials and tell Baez to sit down and shut the “F” up! I know people don’t like Lyon, but I tend to believe she was the best shot Casey had. A diamond in the rough. Mason has yet to prove himself competent, in my honest opinion. He could begin by doing a better job of more thoroughly Shepardizing case law.
And Silverbullit – your’s too, huh?
Hunter
frankie —– why were you so “flabbegasted” when Knetchel posted that the prosecution must prove guilt “beyond a shadow of a doubt”…… In fact …that is what must happen — hy do you say he is “dead wrong”: to wit:
“Criminal law cases are heard in a trial by jury or before a judge. During this trial the prosecution (the government) presents its case and must prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that the accused is guilty of the crimes s/he is charged with. The defendant is represented by a defense counsel that has been chosen or appointed by the judge.”
“REASONABLE DOUBT” NOT SHADOW OF DOUBT
The level of certainty a juror must have to find a defendant guilty of a crime.
A real doubt, based upon reason and common sense after careful and impartial consideration of all the evidence, or lack of evidence, in a case.
Proof beyond a reasonable doubt, therefore, is proof of such a convincing character that you would be willing to rely and act upon it without hesitation in the most important of your own affairs.
However, it does not mean an absolute certainty.
The standard that must be met by the prosecution’s evidence in a criminal prosecution: that no other logical explanation can be derived from the facts except that the defendant committed the crime, thereby overcoming the presumption that a person is innocent until proven guilty.
If the jurors or judge have no doubt as to the defendant’s guilt, or if their only doubts are unreasonable doubts, then the prosecutor has proven the defendant’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and the defendant should be pronounced guilty.
The term connotes that evidence establishes a particular point to a moral certainty and that it is beyond dispute that any reasonable alternative is possible.
It does not mean that no doubt exists as to the accused guilt, but only that no Reasonable Doubt is possible from the evidence presented.
Beyond a reasonable doubt is the highest standard of proof that must be met in any trial.
These are lower burdens of proof. A preponderance of the evidence simply means that one side has more evidence in its favor than the other, even by the smallest degree.
Clear and Convincing Proof is evidence that establishes a high probability that the fact sought to be proved is true.
The main reason that the high proof standard of reasonable doubt is used in criminal trials is that such proceedings can result in the deprivation of a defendant’s liberty or even in his or her death.
sorry Judy … you’re getting things mixed up — different standards for different cases — eg civil vs criminal……………. hope Bill jumps in…….
Thanks Judy. Evidently some people have reading comprehension problems. I posted the Wiki definition and explanation so that it would be as simple as possible, but, I suppose it was not simple enough. {{{{{{{{{sigh}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Don’t think so yo. Beyond a reasonable doubt for criminal cases, preponderance of the evidence for civil.
The presumption stays with the defendant as to each material allegation in the [information] [indictment] through each stage of the trial unless it has been overcome by the evidence to the exclusion of and beyond a reasonable doubt.
Quoted from http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/jury_instructions/instructions.shtml#
From above referenced source (Florida Supreme Court)
It is recommended that you use this instruction to define reasonable doubt during voir dire. State v. Wilson, 686 So.2d 569 (Fla. 1996).
A reasonable doubt is not a mere possible doubt, a speculative, imaginary or forced doubt. Such a doubt must not influence you to return a verdict of not guilty if you have an abiding conviction of guilt. On the other hand, if, after carefully considering, comparing and weighing all the evidence, there is not an abiding conviction of guilt, or, if, having a conviction, it is one which is not stable but one which wavers and vacillates, then the charge is not proved beyond every reasonable doubt and you must find the defendant not guilty because the doubt is reasonable.
Frankie, respectfully, considering the above definition (2:16) it’s a bit confusing, as it seems the law requires one to be certain to the point of unwavering – which would mean, as I understand it, absolutely certain, or certain to the point of being without any doubt, or wavering, so I’m not getting where the “shadow of a doubt” doesn’t mean the same as “reasonable doubt.” I’m sorry, for being perhaps dense in this.
frankie … yes, I agree with you re: civil vs criminal ……….. and……… beyond a shadow of doubt is also a required standard in criminal cases ……………….
Hunter —— yes — it’s legal terminalogy …………. and “beyond a shadow of a doubt” is a court standard ………. again ……. love for Bill, in his own great way, to explain this …
Love for Bill, in his own great way, to explain this, certainly! I’ve heard the terminology “reasonable doubt” in the courtroom setting, and don’t recall “shadow of a doubt” being said, it’s just not clear to me that they don’t mean the same thing, as both require an unwavering certainty of guilt. Frankie? Judy? Art? Shoot me! Can you maybe elaborate on how or why they wouldn’t be the same?
Still – It is without a shadow of a doubt that I am absolutely certain that Casey will be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. 🙂 How does that sound?
Legal applications
Beyond the shadow of a doubt is not the standard of proof in criminal cases (beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard in common law jurisdictions).
It has some relevance in the debate on capital punishment, where there is some support for making beyond the shadow of a doubt the standard required for the imposition of the death penalty in a capital case (the implication being that a defendant found guilty but only beyond a reasonable doubt would be convicted but could not be sentenced to death).
The above is from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_the_shadow_of_a_doubt
If I read this right, you can be convicted based on reasonable doubt BUT must be sentenced to death by a shadow of a doubt.
Yo Hola
No I am not the one mixed up, I placed in print the difference in the two civil -V-criminal.
High Standard.
criminal-
Beyond a reasonable doubt is the highest standard of proof that must be met in any trial.
The standard of beyond reasonable doubt does not mean “no doubt” it means that which a reasonable person would submit to in their own lives.
The main reason that the high proof standard of reasonable doubt is used in criminal trials is that such proceedings can result in the deprivation of a defendant’s liberty or even in his or her death.
Civil
Lower standard.
The lower burden of proof. “A preponderance of the evidence” means one party has produced more evidence, meaning a jury may consider which side proved their case by way of evidence.
judypc, your definition is correct, as is Frankie’s, I have looked it up many many times in all the High Profile Trials following the cases.
No one saw Scott Peterson murder Laci, but the jury found Scott Peterson GUILTY, he is sitting on Death Row! WHY? Did anyone see him do it? NO! Was there a video? NO! DID they EVEN KNOW HOW LACI WAS MURDERED? NO! Was there ANY DNA evidence EXCEPT when used to identify Lacy/Connor? NO! Did anyone see Scott DUMP her pregnant body? NO!
This is WHY THE JURY FOUND THE SCUMBAG GUILTY!
A snip from judypc’s definition, it is not complicated:
The standard that must be met by the prosecution’s evidence in a criminal prosecution: that no other logical explanation can be derived from the facts except that the defendant committed the crime, thereby overcoming the presumption that a person is innocent until proven guilty.
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Common Sense: There was NO OTHER LOGICAL EXPLANATION that could be derived from the facts presented in Scott Peterson’s case, that ANYONE EXCEPT Scott Peterson MURDERED Lacy/Conner, therefore, the PRESUMPTION was over come that Scott Peterson is a Murderer of his wife & child! The TOTALITY of the EVIDENCE convicted the dirtbag. Only his parent’s & family think he is innocent & a few others that don’t understand the law.
This is such a simple definition, it is amazing that so many are confused, most cases are
“Circumstantial Cases as have been said a million times by Legal Experts,” as is KC’s, in “Circumstantial cases, it is the Totality of the Evidence that allows juries to USE COMMON SENSE” to come to the conclusion of Guilty or Not Guilty.
Hunter, lol
Beyond a shadow of doubt I admit it can make your head spin sometimes.
Yo hola, there are countless Legal Dictionaries on the Internet, judypc has provided you with the most common Legal Definition I have read for years. It is also very easy for the “layman to understand.” Bill has told us he is very busy, this is VERY easy to do for those that don’t understand. judypc is absolutely correct, if you don’t believe it, you can look it up for yourself & see the same definition!
On this blog, we are NOT concerned with the definition of what it take’s for conviction in Civil Cases. They are APPLES & ORANGES! OJ was found NOT GUILTY, he was found INNOCENT which is a peave I have, many GUILTY people go free because the case wasn’t proven due to lack of evidence, but they aren’t found INNOCENT, they are found NOT GUILTY!
OJ was FOUND Guilty in the Civil Trial, the standard is lower, apples & oranges.
In other words I may have reasonable doubt that the crime was committed as decribed by the state, BUT that would not mean I have doubt as to who committed the crime.
I.E.
I may not believe Casey murdered Caylee because she wanted to party.
BUT I reason that because of the evidence presented she did in fact murder her child.
I mean to say, OJ was NOT FOUND INNOCENT, it is GUILTY or NOT GUILTY.
He was NOT GUILTY in Criminal.
GUILTY in Civil Case.
It CAN be confusing!
And I agree..CALLING MR. SCHEAFFER…..
judypc, I agree with your assessment, imo, I feel KC probably murdered Caylee out of rage, the last straw was the argument with CA, CA threatening to take Caylee from her, jealousy, KC had the last word with CA that night, imo, when she stormed out of the house & left with Caylee. imo, she murdered the “little snot head as she called her” because daily KC was “burdened with Caylee, had to wait for someone that had a job to get home to keep Caylee, was sick to death of CA demanding she take care of Caylee, KC was sick of the never ending FIGHTS about Caylee & they were just going to escalate.
Caylee was almost old enough to tell CA EVERYTHING KC was doing & who with, KC, imo, was such a self absorbed, spiteful witch, she murdered Caylee out of rage, she was NOT going to allow CA to have Caylee, that in her tiny brain would mean she LOST to CA!
imo, I NEVER believed GA’s accounting that the next morning was the last time ANYONE saw Caylee. I read about a year ago that it wasn’t so much that the STATE believed GA about that morning, they had NO WAY TO DISPROVE his story. Then 6 or 7 months ago he embellished again, claiming Caylee had breakfast with him. Some speculate CA wanted GA to tell the story Caylee/KC were there because she has ALWAYS denied there was EVER an argument with KC the night before.
I am certainly open to the State’s presentation of the case, the above was jmo.
I don’t think I find it confusing…LOL. I believe what the Supreme Court is saying is that the juror can’t waver or the doubt is reasonable. As I understand it, Murder1 requires premeditation. I am not sure that casey planned the murder because I, at this point, think it may have been a rage killing. Still, under law, premeditated because she had time to reflect and remove the duct tape. In my understanding, if the State can show that she watched as Caylee died, I think it would be premeditated. If evidence, or if casey admits, that she slapped the tape on her mouth and slammed the trunk shut not realizing Caylee couldn’t breathe, I might doubt the premeditation and vote to convict on a lesser charge, like simple murder with LWOP. I realize I am not educated in this field, I am just trying to present what I interpreted as I was reading.
Art,
I’ve always believed that an enraged Casey killed Caylee; on the 15th or the wee hours of the 16th and that neither George nor Cindy saw Caylee on the 16th. Their statements, regarding the 16th don’t mesh, besides.
I believe that the fight between Cindy and Casey was such that Caylee was frightened and perhaps sought solace in Cindy, rather than Casey, and that just angered Casey all the more. So what do you think? The 15th or the 16th?
Ya know what , I take it back-it is not confusing. Reasonable doubt. I never doubted my understanding of it before, why start now! LOL!
Linda, do you think he’ll answer? Maybe surprise us?
I’ve got to go do some domestic duties like the dishes. 🙂
I was just using the casey wanted to party as a graphic, I have no idea what the state will lay out in their case.
I have always held to it was a rage murder, but that is just my pondering lol.
the point is you may have a diff idea as to the where, what or how, but can still believe the right person is charged with the crime and find them gulity.
Hunter:
UGGGGGHHHH DOMESTIC DUTIES!!!!!
Now those should be against the law!!!
beyond a reasonable doubt adj. part of jury instructions in all criminal trials, in which the jurors are told that they can only find the defendant guilty if they are convinced “beyond a reasonable doubt” of his or her guilt. Sometimes referred to as “to a moral certainty,” the phrase is fraught with uncertainty as to meaning, but try: “you better be damned sure.” By comparison it is meant to be a tougher standard than “preponderance of the evidence” used as a test to give judgment to a plaintiff in a civil (non-criminal) case. (See: reasonable doubt, moral certainty, conviction)
👿 okay I just could not help myself 🙂
muesli, I know!!! Isn’t that weird about Tracey being BFF with Casey!!! What’s up with that? I think I’ve heard that the old Black Stetson himself has aimed his pointy cowboy boots in that direction, too!! Has anyone else heard that? Bizarre!
I agree with you all about Mark NeJames. He’s a classy kind of a guy, someone ethical and compassionate. Too good to be sucked into this hot mess. It’s a real shame. So many good peoiple being hurt over this one cruel murder!!!
Frankie, thanks for defending The Leaf. Ha ha ha ha ha . . . May I say that there has been more energy spent on speculation, discussion and cursing of the leaf than EVER went into the 15-second response to the offer TWO YEARS ago!!! Brother!
I have a lot of reading to do. BBS.
Hi Hunter, I hope he Mr. Scheaffer does explain to just put it to rest.
Yes domestic duties…made taco’s, ate… and CLEANED UP (hate that part!)
I love reading everyone’s comments and research and explanations and opinions. O love you guys! (I’m getting mushy! LOL!)
Hi Bees!
judy, I just read that Tracey just found casey likeable and it was nothing more than that. It’s still surprising, knowing what she has done. What about Stetson? Have you heard anything about him switching teams?
Psychopaths and sociopaths ALWAYS appear charming and likable at first. 😉
Kim, judy, linda, art, rs . . . I know the only reason anyone on this blog or any other blog that tries sooooo hard to sell the casey-is-innocent spin, is only doing it to be an assh*le and to start an argument. Right? They make the same sad old tired claim about how poor little casey is being victimized ~ boo-hoo! but as we’ve seen repeatedly they never respond to questions of authenticity. Absolutely nothing to back it up. Nothing but wind whistling through those vacant caverns between their ears. The ONLY way to make them give up is to not respond. For myself if I read a comment trying to spin that sh*t it irks me enough that I have finally figured out just not to read it in the first place. Easy. It’s the same with Douchebag and the anthonys. I can’t stand hearing their voices so I just don’t listen to the interviews etc. Try it, you might like it, too!
art tart!!!
“You piss & moan when many have called Baez a douche bag, which is also none of your business, if you don’t like it, who cares, don’t read it! Why in the world would you think ANYONE CARES what you find appropriate? ”
Yes! STAMP STAMP STAMP!!!
Bee’s!! You know I won’t let my friends be bashed all alone – I have to jump in and if I get bashed to, oh well – I am a big girl 😉
BEES KNEES! I knew you would LYAO when you read that.
Hunter, I too agree, the story that CA probably HAD Gas Can George tell LE was again, to “cover up that there was a fight, but CA didn’t anticipate Lee would have told Jesse G, or the neighbor would have heard it. The Anthony’s have proven to LIE when they could have aided & assisted in Justice for Caylee, imo, this is just another time they chose to LIE.In the beginning, it was “important for CA to project the perfect family,” as this has unraveled, they were severely “dysfunctional” with every member, imo, having a different agenda, most families try to work together for the betterment of the family, the Anthony’s each pursued their own agenda.
imo – there had been an on going battle between Cindy and Casey over Caylee – when Casey stormed out that night with Caylee, the baby was already nearly hysterical and didn’t get any better with the man handling Casey gave her. I see the entire night as being very very ugly for sweet Caylee – from being exposed to the sreaming match, being thrown into the car – ripped from gramma
Casey had enough of the snot and it rolled from there
Thus far, nothing the Defense has “floated, imo, has been REASONABLE to believe that ANYONE else could have murdered Caylee. They need to remember, they have to have “evidence” to float a theory, they can’t just point fingers or claim someone else “dumped little Caylee’s body~!~
Wonder what their theory is of WHO could have gotten Caylee from KC? They BETTER ask their lying client who she passed Caylee off to that dumped her little remains using KC’s car, only KC can tell them.! You really gotta wonder what Baez’s excuse will be for the 31 days missing! There never was a Nanny, so WHY should the DEFENSE continue to make fools of themselves, just ask their lying client to help in her DEFENSE! LOL!
imo, I will be surprised if this case is tried! I pray it is!
art – do you think she will plea out? who is left to convince her?
http://www.wesh.com/video/24612668/detail.html
The ANT’s were on the Early SHOW today, peddling their propaganda, wonder if they will get more tattoos or take another cruise now that they have SAVED their home. To think they could get jobs is completely out of the question, after all, when they can continue to bilk Caylee’s murder for all they can get, they will continue to do so! jmo!
They don’t deserve a dime to go on National TV to LIE!
Kim, Maosn predicted the case would plea out before he joined the team, he speculated that KC would get LWOP. The Defense has nothing, they continue to look embarrassingly inept, they seem to bog down in “non issues,” non winnable Motions, to save the entire Defense Team humiliation it would seem, imo, that they may put pressure on her to PLEA if they continue to “have no defense, nothing believable.” It will be painful for KC to sit there for weeks while credible witnesses describe effort to find Caylee, & her lack of cooperation. Weeks of watching KC at Fusion, tattoos, boyfriend after boyfriend testify that KC claimed the Phantom Nanny had Caylee when in fact, she had already been murdered.
KC, as most Legal Analyst have said, will not take the stand due to her lies. In closing arguments, I assume Mason will do it, he will have to do “damage control for an entire trial, try to explain what KC was doing for 31 days, the list is endless. I don’t see the Defense poking any holes in credible witnessess who will “only tell what they know about someone apparently nobody ever knew.
imo, the Defense will claim, ONLY if they can talk KC into it, they The STATE wanted to MURDER her, BUT, they just wanted to save her life. In other words, save themselves for continued embarassment.
What a lot of really great comments, you guys! Good discussions.
Kim, I know you always have my back and I appreciate it. So much. I can get mushy, too (xox)!!! Seriously, I can girl-crush, too. And I like blogging here. There’s always a good conversation to think about or join in.
I, too, think it was an ugly fight on the 15th with possibly a physical struggle over Caylee. An hysterically sobbing three-year-old would have made Casey snap. I think she’d been planning it for awhile but reacted that night before she really had a realistic plan in place. I think she first bound Caylee’s arms and then her face. I think she likely would not be able to watch Caylee die. She would want to seperate herself from that reality, I think. So she put Caylee in the trunk of the car while she was still alive. I think Caylee died, curled into the fetal position that we’ve seen the outline off in the docs. Her mother long gone into some guys apartment. casey probably gave the matter any further thought, as shown in the Blockbuster videos, until her precious daughter began rotting and started turning into putrid gases. Once again, she gave little thought, apparently, when she pulled over to the side of the road and tossed her baby’s sloppy body as far as she could toss it.
I’m hoping the State can show that casey used chloroform, knocking Caylee out first, but I think that because it was done in the heat of the moment, she wouldn’t even take the time to get the drug, the cloth etc. together.
A theory has been made (I apologize that I can’t give a reference ~ can’t remember) that using casey’s cell phone pings she returned to visit the body at least once in the middle of the night in the next few weeks. I’ve heard that it is common, to visit the “site,” for different reasons, I guess. It gives me chills.
Kim: “I see the entire night as being very very ugly for sweet Caylee – from being exposed to the sreaming match, being thrown into the car – ripped from gramma”
That’s exactly how I see it, too. Do you think she used any chloroform that night? I’m not suspicious of the levels found in the car as I think a case can be made that cleaning fluids and/or bodily fluids can account for it.
You know, what the hell do I know? I’m a Canadian that doesn’t understand my own country’s laws let alone America’s!!! BUT, I pretend to have an opinion of my own ~ really I’m just adopting other smarter people’s opinions . . . I pick and choose the ones I agree with and then call them my own. So. In my patchwork opinion . . . they would have had a faaaar better chance at making a deal a long time ago. It’s only continued to get worse and worse for the defense. I would be surprised if the State would deal. Maybe they’d take the dp off the table to save the money. I could understand that.
It’s been a long day, ladies. ‘Night!
Wow, Bees…morbid description, but I’d bet it did go down a LOT that. So sad. 😦
BEES, sadly, I think you are correct about the events that played out Father’s Day Night. I have read a lot of comments that many think KC did go back at least once to visit the body, but it was to plant evidence of perhaps, Jesse Grund. I don’t know if she got out of the car, it was snaky, bug ridden, & she might have decided to not go all the way to the body.
Mixologist74, it is overwhelmingly sad to think of what was done to Caylee, what I find so unbelievable is that,from personal experience, when someone close to me died, my only sibling, my husband, my dad, I was obsessed with them being comfortable, covered, I wanted to sit right by them until they closed the top of the coffin. I reflected of so many wonderful times, times lost, & the overwhelming sadness I felt through the grief process lasted forever it seemed. You have a precious baby, I know you can’t comprehend it either.
I know KC isn’t capable of having any feelings it would seem for Caylee, to think little Caylee was left in those woods without a thought is more than I can comprehend. A precious child, left alone & not allowed any dignity, I just can’t imagine. From her letters & immature ideas of traveling in a RV with a ministry just shows she continues to only think of herself.
She may well get the DP, I don’t care what she gets, LWOP would be good too.
@art tart~~ I have read a lot of comments too that many think KC did go back at least once to visit the body, but it was to plant evidence of perhaps, Jesse Grund. I don’t know if she got out of the car, it was snaky, bug ridden, & she might have decided to not go all the way to the body.
I even read a comment at Topix that this person actually saw KC carrying a Target bag full of stuff to the burial site so just to set the record straight, she did get out of the car, but only this one time. This person saw all 3 of them and took their picture. KC, GA and CA was wearing white shorts and bubblegum blue tank tops, all matching.
This person said they are going to be the surprise witness. I want to know if thats where you read this story because I read it too!!
Wow,you really are up to date wiht all of the facts.
@art tart~~I can’t stand KC because I KNOW she killed her innocence baby.You can tell bye the way she looks so evel. You can always tell who would murder they’re child by the way they look.If they look evel they will do evel. She probably went back to look in the time when she was out on bond.She probably showed her friend Anie when she slept at the house.KC mother Cindy is going to jail as soon as this is over I bet.I know you will be real happy when that happens.And them after that it will be Lee’s turn because he’s evel too.Look how he laughs at everything and wears those stupid socks.Well, I’m happy I found theis site because everyone hear is so smart and they know so much.
really, very interesting that KC did get out of the car w/a Target Bag, thanks for sharing the information. Richard Grund has highly suspected KC, when she called to take a shower at Jesse’s when Tony was in NY of “stealing from him to plant some of his personal things w/Caylee.” Seems Richard has had KC figured out since Caylee was a baby.
really, I can’t remember where I read about KC “suspected of planting evidence,” but I think she was traced by her cell pings. It was on more than one blog that I have read it. I was suprised when I read it but I certainly think it is plausible. I think I read it at WS for one, can’t remember the others. They are really “sharp over there!”
really, I don’t know what will happen when the trial is over, I don’t know how the Anthony’s will “hold up during the trial as far as their testimony & behavior,” at this point, nothing that family does surprises me. They are supposed to be on the TODAY Show in the morning, Kerry Sanders did the background information & Meridith Vierra is supposed to do the interview. GA is said to have said, “I don’t want to believe that KC would hurt Caylee.” Of course, CA is adamant that KC is innocent, that LE isn’t doing their job, yadayadayada.
Wow Really, some interesting skill you have. Perhaps you should work for a judge, you could point out to him who is guilty or not just by the way they look. And those socks, of course the man is a murderer! Why didn’t the prosecution think of that before?
By now I bet a lot of people will be going so far as to make phony statements in order to get Casey convicted. I would’t believe them. I mean, bubblegum white tops, never…
Here we go again.
Cindy and George are going to be on the Today Show today, Friday 13th.
FRIDAY 13TH, I wonder if something bad will go down? Any black cats hanging around?
They are going to be on together, take note if they hold hands, he wouldn’t look at her
last time in court. This is interesting!
really –
Casey and/or her parents did not go back to the remains site and had their picture taken while doing so! You shouldn’t perpetuate rumors like that.
And Casey didn’t visit the reamins site while out on bond and possibly take Annie to show her, She was wearing an ankle monitor, their house & neighborhood were saturated with media, police, protestors and money-seeking leeches. There’s no way.
art tart said, on August 12, 2010 at 3:49 pm
….imo, I feel KC probably murdered Caylee out of rage, the last straw was the argument with CA, CA threatening to take Caylee from her, jealousy, KC had the last word with CA that night, imo, when she stormed out of the house & left with Caylee. imo, she murdered the “little snot head” as she called her….
imo, I NEVER believed GA’s accounting that the next morning was the last time ANYONE saw Caylee. I read about a year ago that it wasn’t so much that the STATE believed GA about that morning, they had NO WAY TO DISPROVE his story.
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I’m not so sure of that myself. About her storming out of the house and remaining gone for the night and the next morning. I’ll just post the Hinky timeline for the dates of June 15th – 16th and maybe you can see why. The timeline was derived from cell pings, computer usage and witness interviews.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/casey-anthony-murder-trial/timeline-and-discovery/
For the period from June 15 to June 27, a critical time when Caylee is believed to have died and her body disposed of, I am including links and commentary on ping maps created by the fine folks at Websleuths.com.
15 -12:13 am TL calls KC, has 11 minute phone call
8:56 am KC attempts to call AH.
9:15 am KC attempts to call TL.
12:51pm KC calls AH, 9 minute phone call.
1:01 pm KC calls her own phone
2:44 pm KC calls her own phone
3:35 pm Anthony home attempts to call KC
3:35 pm KC calls voicemail
3:45 pm KK attempts to call KC
3:45 pm KC calls voicemail
5:06 pm KC calls Anthony home, 3 minute phone call
7:10 pm KC attempts to call Anthony home
8:38 pm KC texts TL
8:48 pm KC calls her own phone
9:08 pm KC texts TL
10:06 KC calls TL, 10 minute conversation.
10:38 KC calls TL, 4 minute conversation
10:45 TL calls KC, 3 minute conversation
11:44 KC calls TL, 1 hour, 20 minute conversation
Father’s Day. CA takes Caylee with her to Mt. Dora to visit her parents. Video of Caylee is taken in nursing home where CA’s father, AP, lives. CA’s mother talks to her about KC stealing over $400 from their account. CA and Caylee go swimming in the Anthonys’ pool. Afterward, CA takes the ladder out of the pool and stores it. CA allegedly confronts KC when she gets home and a heated argument is overheard by a neighbor. CA allegedly chokes KC during this argument. GA states KC’s car was in driveway some time after 11 pm when he arrived home from work.
From ping map produced by Websleuths
here for KC’s cell phone activity on 06/15/08, KC appears to have been at the Anthony home until around 9:00 am (Pings 1-7). Then she went to TL’s apartment until around 7:10 pm (Pings 8-14). She then returns to the Anthony home/LA home area for the rest of the day (Pings 15-54).
Mid-June: CS sees KC at Scoops.
Some time after the 15th: RP states CA called him and told him that KC was lying about things and had stolen from her grandmother. CA advised RP to stay away from KC to avoid being hurt. (See Note on July 3rd). Unknown how many of KC’s friends CA called in this similar fashion. (SEE NOTE ON WEEK OF JUNE 30TH)
15/16 – CA and KC have a big argument. [NOTE: CA does not share this information with LE but later tells this to MF.]
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Timeline for June 16 to June 20 2008
16 – Midnight to 1:00 am high user activity on desktop
Midnight to 11:00 am no activity on laptop
1:00-7:00 am no user activity on desktop
3:08 am TL calls KC, 14 minutes conversation
7:00-9:00 am high user activity on desktop
7:45 am Anthony home leaves voicemail on KC’s cell
7:45 am KC calls voicemail
9:00-10:00 am no activity on HP desktop
10:00-noon high user activity on desktop
11:00 am to noon – one file accessed on laptop, most likely system activity
JT states that around noon he saw KC and Caylee at the Casselberry Walmart.
11:27 am KC uploads one picture to her photobucket account from desktop (IP ties to Anthony home).
11:47 am TL calls KC, 18 minute phone call
12:00 noon-1:00 pm no activity on HP desktop. No activity on laptop.
12:50 pm GA states KC and Caylee leave house. KC says she is going to work. They both had backpacks on and KC was wearing charcoal gray pinstriped dress slacks and a beige dress shirt. Caylee’s backpack was white with monkeys on it. Caylee was wearing a blue jean skirt, a pinkish colored top, and white tennis shoes. She had white-rimmed sunglasses on and her hair was in a ponytail. This is the last time Caylee is seen alive by anyone other than KC. KC tells GA she is going to work and will be working late, Caylee is going to the nanny’s and they are both going to spend the night at the nanny’s. KC tells GA she has already spoken with CA about it.
1:00-3:00 pm high user activity on desktop. 6 files accessed on laptop, most likely system activity, but could be very low user activity.
1:00 pm TL calls KC, 13 minute phone call
1:44 pm KC calls AH, 36 minute phone call
2:52 pm JG calls KC, 11 minute phone call. This is the phone call in which JG may have heard Caylee in background. He originally thought that call was on the 24th of June, but since has stated he made have gotten the phone calls messed up. In this phone call KC told JG her parents were getting a divorce and she had to move out and find her own place.
3:00-4:00 pm no activity on laptop.
3:00-11:00 pm no activity on HP desktop. GA works 3:00 pm to 11:00 pm.
3:04 pm GA attempts to call KC.
3:35 pm KC attempts to call TL.
4:00-5:00 pm 5 files accessed on laptop, most likely system activity, but could be low level user activity.
4:10 pm KC attempts to call Gentiva
4:11 pm KC attempts to call CA’s cell.
4:11 pm KC attempts to call CA’s cell. (24 seconds after last call)
4:13 pm KC attempts to call CA’s cell.
4:13 pm KC attempts to call CA’s cell. (25 seconds after last call)
4:14 pm KC calls Gentiva, 1.6 minute phone call.
KC’s cell phone pings showed her at or near the Anthony home until 4:18. At 4:18 she tracked northward.
4:19 pm KC calls TL, 1 minute duration.
4:21 pm KC attempts to call JG.
4:21 pm KC calls JG, 1.25 minute duration. (24 seconds after last call)
4:25 pm KC attempts to call CA’s cell.
4:25 pm KC cell phone pings show her tracking westward.
No activity on phone for 2 hours and 7 minutes. [NOTE: Up until this point KC has gone no more than about 30 minutes at a time not texting or calling some one.]
BB returns home at approximately 6 p.m. from a family vacation.
5:00 pm to midnight no activity on laptop.
5:57 pm KC’s cell phone pings show her tracking northwestward.
6:31 pm KC attempts to call CA’s cell.
6:32 pm KC attempts to call CA’s cell.
6:32 pm KC attempts to call Anthony home. (44 seconds after last call)
6:33 pm KC checks voicemail.
6:53 pm KC checks voicemail.
7:06 pm KC calls Anthony home, 1.38 minute duration.
7:20 pm KC attempts to call AH
7:21 pm KC attempts to call AH.
7:58 pm TL and KC go to Blockbuster and rent a movie. TL states they stayed up late watching the movie.
8:03 pm MH leaves voicemail on KC’s cell
8:03 pm KC calls voicemail
11:00-midnight high user activity on desktop
From this point on KC is spending every night at TL’s (without Caylee). Only time she does not is when TL takes his trip to New York.
SP’s sister emails and talks about how she is glad AP got to see CA and Caylee on Father’s Day. Verifies that GA and KC were not there.
Some time during the day some one creates a myspace account for “zenaida” with a picture of Dora the Explorer dancing doll, location Miami, FL, and sign Pisces with birthdate
2/19 (KC is a Pisces with DOB 3/19).
From ping map produced by Websleuths here for KC’s cell phone activity on 06/16/08, it appears KC remained in the area of the Anthony home/LA home/location where remains would be found until approximately 4:15 pm (Pings 1-21). She then appears to have spent the rest of the day at TL’s apartment (Pings 22-28).
This article (and comments) is a must-read for anyone interested in this case. (It’s the one I think you were referring to in your post, Bees, I remember posting that to you before.)
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/03/15/nightmare-on-suburban-street/
written by JWG for The Hinky Meter.
I was also gonna say, the cell tower that Casey would ping from if she were at the remains site, is also the cell tower that she would ping off if she was at home, too. That cell tower covered both places because they are in close proximity.
Oh boy, Cindy & George coming up on the Today show…
Well, same old same old…NOTHING makes sense to Cindy…nothing connects Casey to CAylee’s death, not fingerprints, DNA, etc., when asked about her saying in court last month about believing Caylee is alive (I guess DNA only suits them when it cannot prove Casey is the killer, and apparently DNA results on Caylee’s bones don;t make sense to her, she’s read everything…) Goerge still saying he “does not want to believe” blah blah (regarding Casey being the murderer), He can’t just throw walk away from his daughter…Yes, they were holding hands. I had to stop watching. Like I said same old, same old. Why even interview them? I wish Matt Lauer would have interviewd tham and not Merideth. He was tougher on Lindsay Lohan’s mother this morning (another one who’s daughter does NO wrong).
Goodmorning! Time to read last night’s comments….
LNY: You are such a brave person. I didn’t want to toss my cookies before I had even had them this morning, so I didn’t watch. I think Satan is busy installing a public address system in Hell just so he can torture the damned for eternity by having cindy talk nonstop when she gets there!
I cannot understand why any network wants them on. They contribute nothing new.
Call me crazy (really you can) but I always believed George DID see them leave that day. And correct me if I’m wrong, but I do not believe the police reports reflect the scenario of the her leaving Father’s day night (Sunday night). Whey do I beleive George? Because his saying very early in the investigation that he saw them leave on that Monday is when he was being the most “honest” (I know that is NOT a word you can associate with anyone in that Anthony family, but…). While beinging interviewed by LE (and FBI?) he was basically admitting his daugheter lies and “piles more on”, he admitted to the smell of decomp in the car, admitting she is not telling the truth about waht happened to Caylee.
I do however, have not doubt there was surely an argument, with Cindy choking Casey regarding Casey stealing the money from Grandma. I am NOT a fan of the Anthony’s at all, but it seems LE believed George’s scenario of seeing them leave at what, 12:50 pm on the day after Father’s Day. BUT, I beleive it has been pointed out he DID down the raod change his story to having breakfast with Caylee in the AM.
I am usually always in agreement with everyone, except on this. Don’t know why, but I just am!
I also kinda think Casey is dumb as a rock and don’t think she has the smarts to try and frame anyone, coz I really that she thought her Nanny kidnapped Caylee was a good story, coz after all, what Casey says/lies about has always been taken as truth by her parents, so why not the police? It is so, because she says it is. The police could not break her on her claims she dropped Caylee of at the (empty) apartment and caught her in all those lies and when presented with the evidence of her lies she still stuck with her story. I think her parents egged her on about their views of other “suspects” and she just went along with it. Again, I think she is too stupid to have the foresight to plant evidence and the only ne she tried to fram was this BS “Nanny”, even with her later lies at a knock-down at Blanchard Park, that I think her parents came up with.
LNY – you’re crazy!!
Just kidding! ❤
I agree that Casey is dumb as a rock and she did think and may still think her nanny story will fly.
We can agree to disagree on the leaving the house scenario, if that's ok
hi frankie. I always have Today Show on when I get up, have watched it for years while getting ready for work (although I am unemployed now-economy as far as jobs still suck!…anywho..) So when it was announced they were going to be on, I was liek what the heck, I will watch it, even knowing it would be another puff piece!! And of course it was…
And LOL, a publice address system in Hell…It would be Hell to have to listen to Cindy Anthony. That is why I am glad that not only will Casey be tortured by LWOP or the DP, but she will have to endure visits from Cindy and get to hear of how cute Lee and Mallory are! And hear all about their wedding and children. HA And if she does get LWOP, I am sure she will be wishing for death after each visit from Cindy. They deserve eachother. My favorite part is C&G will STILL have to support her till they die.
Hi Kim, I knew someone would call me crazy!. I have no problem to agree to disagree. That seems to be the only thing I am on the fence about with everyone else’s scenario of that night.
Linda, LE/STATE “only use the day GA said as there is no one to dispute it, nor did anyone else see them.” Gas can George has embellished his story again & again, now he says he had breakfast with Caylee. imo, it is possible when KC left in a rage the night before, she could have murdered Caylee on that night, she was “over wrought” w/ CA, Caylee was probably crying because she was scared of the yelling between CA/KC, then KC puts Caylee in the car & they leave. I respect your opinion if you believe GA, I just don’t, he seems to pick & choose what he lies about where CA seems to “consistently lie about everything.” I find it hard to believe that KC would have gone back to that house as angry as she was with CA, & before KC murdered Caylee, GA would confront KC, he didn’t believe her lies before Caylee’s murder. This, we may never know for a certainty.
LNY, I saw the Scamthony’s on the TODAY SHOW. Here is the Link for anyone that wants to watch. GA seemed to “open” to where the road leads. Although they claimi they are NOT being paid, Kerry Sanders didn’t ask if they were getting Licensing Fees! CA continued to be the LIAR she is! CA claiming she still thinks Caylee is alive. I guess CA never disappoints! EVERYBODY IS STUPID & CRAZY be her! She, a nurse, is doubting DNA! LOL!
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/38688689#38688689
LindaNewYork, the Video Link I posted has a lot more on the Interview w/GA & CA. Kerry Sanders had an 81 minute interview w/the Anthony’s in their home. GA said he has “doubts some days about Baez, but that is who KC picked as her attorney.” GA said the “molestation absolutely never happened, wouldn’t happen in their home,” that CA knows that. It seems that from the 81 minute interview, TODAY edited a short part for their show, the entire interview is at the link. CA is saying she is “praying” for those that criticize them, GA is recommending that “volunteer at soup kitchens, do something good for other’s,” well why in the hell haven’t the Anthony’s done ANYTHING except interject themselves in this case from day one & profit! CA whining the Prosecution is attacking Casey, but the Anthony’s are claiming they “want JUSTICE for Caylee.” Yea! Right!
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woobabie, thanks so much. I read Hinky Meter everyday & remember that I did read FRG’s guest article, it has been awhile so I am definitely going back to re-read it. Thanks for sharing the Link, I agree, it is absolutely a MUST READ. The time line is good also, the problem as you pointed out, the “dump site/Anthony home would be the same pings from the same tower” due to the close proximity. I am forever amazed at the “grasp” of the facts/information that Val puts together in her articles, her blog is my favorite.
Morning, snoopyslueth, Kim, Rock, frankie, bummer, Friday the 13th?
Hi art tart!
I think the reason why I believe George is coz it was the “days” of him being interviewed, before Cindy took control. I believe at THAT time, they were frantic to find Caylee. Why not say they left the night before. I cannot explain why I believe that and then nothing else they said after that. I don’t know.
I wonder who called who with these interviews on Early Show/Today show? Clearly it was the same old stupide C&A interview with nothing new…
I should take a ride into NYC today and interview them myself! LOL!
Oh I also gotta check out your link, art tart. Did not know there was “more”. Let me pop those valiums me and mix (?) were talking about, let it take effect, then I will watch. LOL!
BTW, Snoopysleith, I didn’t see that you had “scooped” me last night on the Today Show interview! LOL! Tha’s me, a day late, and dollar short!!!
GM art!! TGIF!!
I am so glad to know that cindy is praying for me, since I am spending so much time saying mean things about her.
Well art tart, cannot watch that in one sitting.
BBL
OH..I see..this was a advertisement for the “foundation” LOL panhandlers.
Oh My Gawd! Is it Friday the 13th? I’m going back to bed! LOL
Speaking of George, I would so like to to see the transcript of his appearance before the GJ. He was painfully honest, in the beginning, with LE. Cindy must have given him a good whack, and told him to get with the program. It’s nice to know she’s praying though.
Awww, Linda. We love you too.
LindaNewYork, I understand why you think GA saw KC/Caylee that morning, I absolutely agree that Gas Can George was more “forthcoming & honest” before CA took control. It’s unfortunate that they couldn’t have kept those two separated for the duration of the investigation.
LNY, you would be perfect to do the “tough interview, just the facts man!” I especially want you to “challenge the nurse about WHO she thinks is in Caylee’s urn, & if this is a conspiracy only to rival WATERGATE at the cover up & lies of those investigating Caylee’s murder have perpetrated against her family!” LOL!
Woobabie furnished the link to HINKY today, JWG’s article on KC’s whereabouts/timeline, possible trip into the woods, as JWG said, “KC hovered like a vulture around the Anthony neighborhood for 3 hrs.” (& we KNOW that wasn’t to visit her loving parent’s who wanted to see Caylee, little Caylee was already dead!) An “excellent read, tons of facts, & a lot to consider for those that haven’t read it!” As Woobabie said, A MUST READ! I just read it again, the interesting thing is, as the case goes on in time, things seem to make more sense now as they can be put in perspective, timelines are tightened.
Also, for those watching the interview, I have been noticing for awhile, that CA looks like she has been carpooling with GA to the “tanning booth!” She also looks puffy, & has a noticeable weight gain of about 20 pounds. Is that due to her medication possibly?
Nah Art…it is all those darn crab puffs. They tend to be greasy! She must be able to eat and sleep again. She does look well though, except for the hair, so maybe she will be going back to work soon since she seems to be well on the way to recovery after her “disability”.
LOL frankie!
Hal Boedeker is hilarious! He said “IF THINGS DON’T MAKE SENSE TO CA, maybe she should STAY OFF TV & WATCH Dr. G’s show!” Excellent point!
Hal rarely holds back his criticism of the Anthony’s he seems to find them as “irksome” as we do.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/08/caylee-anthony-george-cindy-visit-today-for-a-nothing-interview.html
All Cindy is trying to do is keep herself off the stand, she thinks if they think she is batshit nuts they won’t call her.
My 2 cents on George he is a liar, always has been always will be, he tried to play the x-cop good ol boy routine in the beginning thinking it would earn him credit.
I think the state had him by the yaya’s on something and he knew if he lied at the GJ hearing they would bust his arse and he would be Casey’s neighbor.
I have always said since day one he is a sneak & a liar.
He had 2 versions of his gas can story within a week, and his story on the morning after is so full of crap, all of you that have a husband, ask him what you were wearing on the 15th of last month.
I promise you will get that blank deer in the headlights look.
Yet he told what both Casey & Caylee were wearing, the packs they had, how their hair was done, and everything was sunshine and lolli-pops.
HORSE HOOIE!!
Ha, Judy, my husband wouldn’t even remember what I was wearing YESTERDAY. If I went missing today, he would not even remember what I had on.
On Weds. I was watching my 3 nieces and the oldest 11 wanted to go out on the driveway. I made her take her cell phone. While I was sitting there, I thought, Sh*t, what is she wearing? So I had to look out the window to see….How sad, that I had to know that, “just in case”!
Thats my point Linda, unless it was a very special day where things would be more ingrained in ones mind most of us would not recall down to the last detail what two people were wearing on a day a month ago, I dare say if I ask you what were you wearing on July 15th you too would say WTH you expect me to remember that?
Unless it was your wedding day lol, dang then most men would say, uhhh, I think she was wearing a dress, I think maybe it was white….. oh and that thing on her head that covered her face.
Yet Ol George told the colors of both outfits, striped pants, hair in pony tails, color of bows in hair, shoes, monkey back pack, he told what was said, hug hug kiss kiss love you….
Sorry but I ain’t buyin it.
That is an extremely valid point….No WAY george remembered what they were wearing. That nonsense defies all logic. Valhall said: { Aug 13, 2010 – 07:08:20 }
Wait….I think I have some rant left in me…
I mean for pete’s sake why didn’t Cindy just say…
“Well, see that’s how we roll in this family. When someone tells us something terrible happened to them, we just make up bullshit and tell them it happened to us too so they feel better – or even one-upped. In fact, I’ve done this all my life and that’s how I raised both my children. Just make something up and then they feel better.”
What a train-load of unadulterated freaks.
AND if someone comes back and says Oh but that was the last day he saw Caylee of course he would remember.
I say BULL FEATHERS cause……… wait for it………
HE had no damn way of knowing he would not see that baby again, so it would not be ingrained in his mind.
The next day, yes maybe, but not a month later.
I was born at night, BUT not last night, so again I ain’t swallowing that load.
That is an extremely valid point….No WAY george remembered what they were wearing. That nonsense defies all logic.
I heard a PSA a month or so ago. The announcer suggested that while on vacation, you should snap a photo with your cell phone each morning. Not only do you have some nice vacation memories, you have a current photo with an accurate description of what the child was wearing THAT day and you have it with you. We did that very thing. Each morning after our two grandsons were dressed, I took a picture in the courtyard outside our hotel room. When the 7 year old wandered away, I was pulling it up on the phone as they were about to lock down the water park. I was thanking GOD for that PSA that day. We found him before they actually locked down the park and he got to sit with Nana for a little while and contemplate how important it is to never walk away like that again!
I say that to illustrate my point….in my panic, though I know clearly what my grandson looks like, I could not remember what bathing suit he had worn THAT MORNING!!!!!
George may have a photographic memory, haha! Refresh my memory, what DID George
state he remembered Caylee wearing that morning? How does is compare with the material found with Caylee’s remains. I know there was something about “pink stripes” Does
anyone remember what he described?
WooBaby, Yes! That’s the article. A really great one. And that JWG is pretty easy on the eyes, too. I’m going to re-read it. Thanks!
And Linda, you may be right about the 16th, but the one thing I do feel sure of is George being able to give a detailed description as to what they wore when they left. As if!!!! That’s just a bald lie. That’s the thing with these Anthonys. They say the damnedest things with a straight face and expect you to believe them. If they were just a wee bit smarter they would realize that no one on the planet could have remembered, not one, but two, seperate outfits with such detail a month after seeing them.
I should learn to read all the comments before I make one. Sorry. I see you’ve all been talking about the clothing and Georges spectacular memory.
For those who like her, Dr. Lillian Glass has a fresh comment.
“George and Cindy Anthony’s Body Language on the Today Show”
http://tinyurl.com/26dmwrk
frankie said, on August 13, 2010 at 12:21 pm: SORRY! I hit paste when I meant to hit copy…..please ignore that post as it made no sense whatsoever!
Okay, yes yes the clothes! You are all right. That is some freakin detail to remember a month later!
And I too read the link woobaby posted above to JWG’s article. BUT Bees Knees, I hate to break it to you, but that picture is of David Gilmour from PINK FLOYD in his younger years…I spoke to JWG a long time ago about him being a Pink FLoyd fan, as I am as well. Unless, of course you have seen a real pic of him?
They did make their own statements, Cindy did not speak for George, they illustrated
difference in their view. It was not pre cut where they both stood firm on exactly what they felt and believe. Why should it be, therefore I see the interview pretty up front as to what they are. Cindy holding on to emptiness, George hoping but open to what the facts bring. AND the interviewer made sure we heard that they did not get paid. Right?
frankie, great idea about taking a pic of kids in the morning on vacation and out and about.
When my niece was about 5 we were staying at a motel at the Jersey Shore. My Mom, my sis, 2 nieces (the other one was about 7-8months) were in one room, and me and my husband in another. So my niece kept taking my key and walking to my motel room and going back and forth (we could see her out the motel room window!). We told her not to do it and she would just open the door and do it again (she thought it was cool to take my key and open and close my motel door, come back and do it again). So each time we ALL kept saying “You know you can’t just leave and walk away from us, not here, not when we get on the boadwalk, somebody could just take you and we will never see YOU again, a bad person could take you away from us and you will never ever see US again, blah, blah and on an on. So she finally had enough of the four of us saying this and she got VERY upset started crying and yelled “Stop trying to have me kilt (killed)!
Yes, Rock I found it interesting that the interviewer asked them about getting paid. How much you do you wanna bet that THEY requested that question be asked of them since there is so much talk of them making money from interviews off of their dead granddauhter?!
I only watched most of what was on TV on the Today show and just some from the full interview link that art tart gave this morning. I am still in the middle of reading Lillian Glass from Bees Knees link.
“scurrying away” LOL, like the rodents they are! I too thoroughly enjoyed Mr. Nejames response.
I know the anthonys will never read this and wouldn’t give a :poop: if they did, but I just have to say:
If the imaginanny brings Caylee home tomorrow after a whirlwind world tour which has kept them out of touch and Caylee is alive and well and happy and casey dances out of jail on forghorn’s arm while bozo awaits in the chariot…..
THE ANTHONY’S ARE STILL THE WORLD’S BIGGEST FTARDS!!!!!!!!!
Thank you….I feel better now.
Hal Bodeker said:
MOM CINDY TELLS NBC THAT SHE BELIEVES CASEY WILL COME HOME TO WORK ON CAYLEE’s FOUNDATION!
Hal also said:
When it comes to the latest interviews of George and Casey Anthony, the web version was far superior to the live one on “Today” this morning. Why didn’t NBC play more of the taped interview and forget flying the couple to New York to sit in a studio with Meredith Vieira?
The WEB VERSION of the Interview, in which the Anthony’s are more diluted than ever is posted on Hal’s site:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/08/casey-anthony-mom-cindy-tells-nbc-that-she-believes-casey-will-come-home-to-work-on-foundation.html
“Bees Knees, I hate to break it to you, but that picture is of David Gilmour from PINK FLOYD in his younger years…”
Linda, you broke my heart!
Hi art. Just fonished listening to the rest of the extended Today show interview. At least this guy asked harder questions. But Cindy is still a-spinnin’ and Geroge is still I-don’t-want-to-believe-MY-daughter-hurt-her-daughter thingy. Nothing new gleaned from this interview and again begs the question, WHY interview them if nothing new??
Ok, forgot about reading Hal….
art, did you watch any of the Deadly Women shows last night, I couldn’t sleep as usual and watched from like 11-2am. Then, surprise surprise had bad dreams of knives and a sicko with a gun shooting over my head. LOL! Anyway bunch of sick, evil people in the world. Looking forward to one day hearing what that Candace DeLong (former FBI profiler) who does those shows will have to say about Casey…
Is it legal to ask for money on a Caylee Is Dead Foundation if they believe that she’s alive?
Good question Bees! haha
LindaNewYork, I try to catch those, but missed last night. Hopefully they will re-run them this weekend, they are pretty creepy especially when you see the depth of evil some stooped to doing heinous crimes. I like Candace DeLong also, wish she would weigh in too on Caylee’s case.
BEES KNEES, if I a not mistaken, the Foundation was set up “to help parent’s navigate through the media, LOL, & to help find missing children. The SS Caylee Marie hasn’t been used in a single missing child case, but I bet it has been used on more than one fishing episode!
I have read many times that bloggers are outraged, as Caylee was NEVER MISSING! She was murdered by their daughter. Some see it as “scandalous IF the Anthony’s knew for fact that Caylee was dead, I am one who believes they knew as soon as they got the car home & the 911 call was made, then the Anthony’s SOLD T Shirts for profit that Caylee was MISSING & CA demanding she was alive! I don’t know how this could be proven unless there are more emails unearthed or the Anthony’s admitted it to the few friends they had. The Anthony’s “drive me nuts profiting at every turn from Caylee’s murder,” I have not one ounce of sympathy for them or their scams! GET A FREAK-IN JOB & get off your a$$ just like she screamed at volunteers when she knew damn well Caylee was dead!
Why do you guys think Baez keeps cancelling depositions? Jesse Grund, Richard Grund and Dr. G. the Medical Examiner this week alone.
Yeah, I think so to, art tart. George and Cindy knew the minute they smelled the car. They likely suspected it even earlier but that smell sealed the deal. Everything since then has been put into play to keep Casey alive and possibly free.
That Valhal, Hinky Meter makes me laugh at her sense of humor! She is too funny!
Valhall said: { Aug 13, 2010 – 07:08:56 }
You know, I’m starting to think that this may be the first criminal trial in history where the gallery visitors will be given a “viewing packet” as they enter the court room. Within this packet will be:
1. One valium that you will be required to take PRIOR to taking your seat.
2. One airsickness bag.
3. One sock.
The valium is to dull your senses enough to prevent you blurting WTF! at the inane things that will be said by defense witnesses and attorney’s.
The airsickness bag should be reserved for when any Anthony family member is testifying.
The sock is to shove in your mouth whenever Baez or Mason is speaking to prevent involuntarily GUFFAWS from emitting.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/13/miscellaneous-topics-on-the-caylee-marie-anthony-case-%E2%80%93-part-29/
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I have followed so many High Profile cases & I agree with a comment I read today, that Scott Peterson’s parent’s supported him but had ENOUGH COMMON SENSE to stay off TV & they didn’t profit from Scott’s murders.
Friday afternoon has come & gone, NO MO MOTIONS from Baez today, maybe Mason was out of town & couldn’t sign off on them for the “lawyer on training wheels.” MAYBE Baez is reading the local Orlando Papers at what a “moron he continues to be, all of his problems are his own making,” maybe he has decided to really work on KC’s case instead of insulting other’s & is forever surprised when they release the facts to the public. Hey Baez, while you play games, KC is looking at the DP, how have you helped HER this week, by canceling MORE depositions?
That’s funny. Val has a great sense of humour. I love her.
How is your Friday the 13th going, art tart? Mine’s good so far (knock on wood). Have you read the newest Statement Analysis?
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/08/my-instinct-by-cindy-anthony.html
BEES, thanks for the link, I am checking it out now! I have JVM on, she has a panel with Mike Brooks, L Padilla, & Janie WHINE WHINE Whinetrop.
Mr. Sheaffer:
Care to comment on the “BIG CONCESSION”? The Defense continues to hold the theory ~ sinking ships surface lol…. will the plea happen before the end of 4Q?
kate, jmo, I don’t think most cases PLEA until the very last minute that I have seen, even in Civil Cases. WHY would the defense/KC want to PLEA before May 2011? The ANT’s are bilking it for all the publicity & money they can get, the Defense’s expenses ares being paid for by the taxpayer’s, Mason has plenty of money but Baez is working for free, KARMA imo, but “publicity continues to be generated for the Defense even if it is negative.”
For the Defense to approach the STATE about a PLEA, imo, the STATE isn’t in the mood to put up with the Circus, I can’t see the STATE agreeing to anything “but LWOP.” The BIGGEST problem, imo, for the Defense is KC, if she wants to roll the dice, she is the “CEO of the Defense when it comes to that decision,” Mason/Baez will have to do as KC says. KC seems absolutely too stubborn to “accept any responsibility for murdering Caylee,” PLEAS come with conditions, KC would have to admit she murdered Caylee and that isn’t likely.
Kate, jmo, I think to beg for a PLEA would be the best thing for KC, but, I want to see the STATE try this case, connect all the dots, expose KC for who she is, just another child murderer.
Me too, art tart. I want the trial. Also I can’t really think of any other reason the defense keeps cancelling their depositions unless they believe it’s not going to trial, but how could they possibly know that at this stage? What happens if they never do the depositions and the trial date arrives? I guess Perry would not let that happen. There must be some deadline in place, surely? So what other reason could they have for cancelling all their depoositions?
BEES: The Defense is going to have to do those Depositions by the dates Judge P stipulated, or, I would assume, Lose Um! There are dates in place for all discovery, depositions, etc. to be done, I think most were early fall. I will check this weekend when Judge P set the dates but it would seem the more Baez cancels, the more he has to do in a shorter length of time.
I can’t imagine why the Defense is canceling these depositions unless C Mason has a conflict, he actually still has paying clients, imo, Baez doesn’t have much in the works but maybe some small clients, his usual, DUI’s etc.
Of course, he set deadlines. I remember now. DUH!!
HEY ART TART>>> I am taking the liberty of bringing your comment over from Bill’s last post. Looks like you accidentally commented there…Hope you don’t mind!
art tart said, on August 14, 2010 at 9:01 am
WOULD KC consider an Alford Plea? I researched a little this morning since this would seem more in “the lines of what KC would consider,” I found that the Alford Plea is like a lot of the law, is a little different in FL. Fl. does “accept the Alford Plea in Capital Murder Cases.”
I have wondered this & see it ask so many times, but I have never seen the answer.
“Alford Plea” is different than a “Not Guilty PLea” that in the “Alford Plea,” the defendant admits the STATE “has enough evidence” to convict them but continues to claim they are “not guilty.”
Seems the Alford Plea has been around since 1970: WHY it came about:
State law provided that a defendant who pleads guilty to a capital felony – murder, in this case – will only face life in prison. However, if the defendant preferred to go to trial, he would face the death penalty if convicted, or the jury could recommend life imprisonment in the alternative. With that in mind, Alford agreed to plead guilty, although he maintained that he was an innocent man at every step of the process. He appealed his sentence, arguing that he was compelled to plead guilty due to his fear of capital punishment. The Supreme Court ruled that he made a voluntary choice and that his constitutional rights were not violated.
http://www.floridacriminallawyerblog.com/2009/04/alford_pleas_and_nolo_contende.html
Thanks for that link, art tart.
I thought of it as a “No Contest” plea. But there is a difference. SO, is it saying this Alford Plea is for ONLY those who, if went to trial and were convicted, one of the sentences could be the DP??? I think that is how I read it…
Linda, thanks for that. It was very unclear to me too, appreciate your explanation.
This, below, is a comment that was made last year and brought up again today by one of Val’s great regulars, WSH (link below). It’s not new information, but imo it’s an important reminder. It answers the question, “Who are these bloggers that are hell-bent to convince us that casey anthony is not guilty?
It came from this thread: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread432443/pg6
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On April 8, 2009 Richard Grund went on Nancy Grace and brought up an issue that is VERY disturbing.
There is a group of people who are scouring the internet called “Team Caylee” The Anthony’s are involved in this group and have recruited several people to cast reasonable doubt. Their website is housed in YUKU.COM
The people who are invovled in the case are the Anthony’s and the defense. I am writing about KEY players who are involved in this site.
They are found on Scaredmonkeys, Topix forums, Websleuths, Youtube, and various other sites, creating MULTIPLE sites and writing FLAT OUT LIES! Attacking innocent posters and constantly changing their names. They are called trolls.
There are several documents in the Team Caylee YUKU website about casting reasonable doubt and HOW this is going to be done.
They have a diabolical plan to say that Caylee’s remains were NOT Caylee’s remains.
They have all talked about this plan to establish reasonable doubt, and the police are aware of it.
The defense has already started this plan when Caylee’s bones were found, and the members of the Team Caylee site have even gone as far as to write that Caylee’s remains could have been purchased over the internet.
ALL of their writings are documented PROOF that this is an OBVIOUS CONSPIRACY and if I were Baez and Dominic Casey I would give it up and disassociate myself from this crazy family.
Cindy’s claims in her interview mentioned that Dominic is STILL conducting surveillance on another Zanaida Gonzales who lives in Puerto Rico…. WHY?
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NOTE: It could be just a coincidence, but they did predict “They have a diabolical plan to say that Caylee’s remains were NOT Caylee’s remains,” which we’ve heard twice now in the past week or so. What do you think?
link to the hinky meter:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/13/miscellaneous-topics-on-the-caylee-marie-anthony-case-%e2%80%93-part-29/#comment-59603
Paranoide bs, pardon me lol. The hinky meter was also the blog with the six chapters so called professional analyses about Casey Anthony’s mental state, without the writer ever been close to her? Just don’t believe everything you read on blogs. There IS reasonable doubt, so why need a conspiracy theory? Let the prosecution prove she is guilty, and if they can’t do it, let it be.
The Alford plea doesn’t look like the thing to do, as evidence is lacking. jmo.
ahhh
and I thought this hot Saturday was going to be boring – –
Hi Kim. No such luck. Have you read that comment before by Val?
Kim, I have no idea if that info is 100% factual and I’m not claiming that it is. But it might be. It wouldn’t surprise me if it was. It always gets back to the same thing for me. We know for certain that Casey murdered her baby. Anyone with two working brain cells knows that ~ we all know that.
So who are these bloggers who try to argue when they have LITERALLY NOTHING to back up their wild accusations? It’s seems so silly to me. I might as well start demanding that Shirley Pleasea murdered Caylee. What do you mean, prove it? She just did, that’s all. What do you mean, “facts?” I don’t have to give you facts. Just accept that Grandma Pleasea is the murderer. That’s just how ridiculous some of these bloggers are. We’re expected to believe every word that falls from their mouths without applying any logic or common sense. Ha ha ha ha ha ha . . . yeah, riiiiiiiiiight . . . just see how fast we all fall in line!
Hey Bee’s, girl!!
Yes – I have seen it. I adore Hinky/ Val
Simply the best blog – – – after Bill’s, of course
Kim, in your opinion do you think the State would ever accept a plea? I just don’t see it happening unless it’s a question of the huge cost incurred in a dp case. It seems from the majority, of bloggers at least, that everyone is pretty much okay with her getting Life WithOut Parole. Also do you know if LWOP really is what it’s called? I know in Canada someone could get 50 years but then be released after only 15 years for good behaviour. Can this be true of a sentence that includes “WITHOUT PAROLE?”
An Alford? I don’t see it, not after all the time , effort and energy these dedicated people have put into this thing.
If I am not mistaken, and I could well be, any other plea would have to be offered by the state and she would have to confess, in total, what she did and how it happened.
That I do not see her doing ever
LWOP depends on the state you are convicted in – I say bring her sorry ass here to Texas and lets be done with it already
Yeah, I agree. Hinky is best. No one can compare to her. I respect every word that comes out of her mouth, cursing or not, because she is the type of person who can do it and still have integrity and still be respected and respectful. She’s just that kind of a person.
She has integrity, brains and wit. unstoppable
Oh I wish Texas had her. I’m a mere Canadian and even I know about the Texas Penal System! How long do you suppose she would have lasted there? What about Baez?
It brings me to my happy place thinking about them in Texas.
lmao
Casey would last, mmm………..10 minutes
Baez has a cute mouth, I give him 20
Where is Ina when I want to discuss the death penalty – it’s time she was educated as to the facts
Well Hello again, Bees! That link was from art tart. It looks like she accidentally put her comment on Bill’s last post (What did the Supremes Mean) today, so I copied it on here. I am not that good of a researcher!!! So I just want to make clear ART TART gets the credit for the info on the Alford Plea.
OK, let me go read your links…And yes, I LOVE reading Valhall and all of her great commenters. I am always a day late and dollar short when I go to comment there!!
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Hmmm, You know how “profilers” never even meet the people they “profile” yet write an analysis ???? You know, like FBI profilers? And those peope who analyze body language? You know those professional’s who sometimes don’t meet the people who they analyze, yet they are professional profiler’s and analysts? (This is me not responding to a comment upthread)
BTW, Bees, I do remember that Team Caylee on the internet thingy. Maybe some of them we know…from here?
Ahhhhh . . . I see, yes. Thanks Linda!
Not responding? Then how come I read it?
Amateur profilers and bias body language analysers like dr Glass are big bull shit sellers in my honest opinion. 🙂 How is the merchandise going for some fine bloggers btw? It is becoming big business to write and speculate about this murder.
And I don’t need to be educated by people who are all for the dp. I rather have some one with a heart explain to me why there are people who think it is okay to wish a suspect to be convicted just to die. What happend to the understanding that is a mortal sin to wish someone to be killed, in Christian surroundings?
Am off to bed now, so goodnight 🙂
Kim, Linda, did you watch both of the interviews yesterday? I watched the longer one with the guy. It was a little bit better than usual but he still didn’t hold them to the truth in places. Some of his expressions were great though ~ like he just couldn’t believe them! Who could? There’s no way I can watch the other shorter interview. I cannot take that mealy-mouthed Meredith more than once. That ship has sailed. They need more Kathi Belichs!
oh damn – I missed the cooking part!
Here in Texas we don’t hold with mother’s killing babies, Ina. As strong Christians we feel better knowing anyone deviant enough to kill their own child would kill anyone – at all. We feel it is in the best interest of the entire community that such deviance be eliminated – not coddled and ‘cured’.
we save the curing for bacon
Yes, I watched both interviews…
I do get the fact that these interviewers need to remain professional. I am NOT a professional TV show interviewer. So I would be rolling my eyes and saying WHAT?, Are you freakin’ crazy? Are you friggin’ kidding me? You expect me to believe that? STILL ALIVE?…..You “DON”T WANT TO BELIEVE” your daughter killed your Granddaughter? Are you saying Santa and the Easter Bunny are more believable?……
Bee’s – I was working so I only saw half but it was the same old BS – with the twist of Cindy saying Caylee may still be alive
my opinion – she is trying to prove herself unfit to testify
Kim said, on August 14, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Amen, Kim. Amen.
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LWOP or DP for Casey. One or the other is fine with me.
Ina there are many many websites for opponents of the DP. I am sure there is a blog that can sympathise with how you feel.
The DP is on the table in this case. No one here or anywhere can change that. Stop it already with the DP. It is on the table. Period. Whether you or anyone likes it or not.
AND there IS enough evidence to convict her. Follow a Team Casey blog instead.
bleeding hearts need not apply here – it is what it is
Casey CHOSE to kill her baby in a DEATH PENALTY state
she had as many choices not to KILL HER BABY as well
Hi Kim! Yes, there are choices in life…
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Ok, almmost time to wathc JVM. I missed it last night and I know it repeats on Saturdays. While reading Hinkey Meter someone put up some of the interview on her show with Padilla. Supposed to be an hour on the Casey case.
Hiya Linda!
I tried to watch her but as soon as she starts talking something not so good happens to my stomach
I did notice LP there tho
OK, never mind…this show is from Thursday nite…Maybe tomorrow nite will be Friday nights show…(Did I confuse you? LOL!)
Yes, Kim, I DO know what you mean. She’s always SCREAMING!!! She can get on my nerves too, but NOT as much as Nasty Face Nancy Grace LOL! I usally do a “drive-by” with my remote and if the story is interesting, I watch.
I don’t watch either one of them anymore…they both make me throw up in my mouth a little. LOL
Do I have this right?
One who stated they are writing a book, and has a blog on the case, is two faced and trashes others who write on the case, even asking merchandising profit type question?
I think Goose is on the cooking menu, as in goose is cooked, caught in a blatant two faced rant.
That or like those associated with the case, cannot keep track of anything they have already said in the past, and forgets claiming to be writing a book.
I hope my English was ok…scuzzi, but she is not so good at times…LOL
Yes, RS, I skipped over commenting on the merchandising comment. The person who she accuses of merchandising and big business will come and tell her like it is regarding that comment.
I learned the hard way about making comments about bloggers when I do not know what I am talking about…Happily all went well and we are “friends”.
I have a lovely bridge over some gorgeous swamp if anyone is interested
Kim said:
An Alford? I don’t see it, not after all the time , effort and energy these dedicated people have put into this thing.
If I am not mistaken, and I could well be, any other plea would have to be offered by the state and she would have to confess, in total, what she did and how it happened.
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Kim, The STATE WILL NOT OFFER KC a plea, it would be “forthcoming from the Defense Team, NOT, the STATE. The STATE feels KC should get the DP & that’s why it is on the table, they not only feel like she deserves it, they feel that can prove the “aggravating circumstances.”
In an ALFORD Plea, IF the State considered it, she would still have life without parole BUT she wouldn’t have to admit to “Murdering Caylee” & that’s something that I don’t see her doing. If the Defense were to ask for a “Plea,” not an “Alford Plea” KC would have to “admit guilt.” The STATE also has the Option of “Not Considering any Plea whatsoever, Alford or otherwise, The State is “ready to rock & roll,” the Defense imo, continues to sink to new lows. KC will ultimately be the one to decide if they should BEG FOR A PLEA, I personally hope they don’t, I want this case to be tried, all the dots connected, the games exposed, & have everyone see what she did to little Caylee.
Kim, if KC got an “Alford Plea,” she would be admitting the STATE had enough evidence to convict her, but, she would have to admit she murdered Caylee. An Alford Plea is used to “save the defendant’s life,” it won’t be forthcoming from the State.
Kim I meant to say in last paragraph, in the Alford Plea, KC wouldn’t have to admit to murdering Caylee.
Thanks, art – these things do confuse me
Kim, lots of confusing things in the case, especially when the lies from the Defense Camp are thrown into the Mix. imo, Lyon’s might have been the only one that could have persuaded KC to consider, & I am just speculating. Lyon’s did seem “motherly towards KC,” but imho, Baez has “jammed this case up since he took it, most of the undo-able errors & bad decisions were made solely by Baez.” Too late now for “working at anything for KC to probably ever walk free again in society, imo, that is a good thing.
LindaNewYork! LOL! DUH! Thanks for re-posting my “Alford Plead Link/Comment on this Blog as I seemed to have been momentarily confused. LOL! YOU ROCK!
Off to watch 48 hours Mystery! Will be back later!
I just completed reading M Nejames’ response to the Defense/Circus on a multitude of problems. NeJames has said the Defense has proceeded in BAD FAITH, they have, waiting 8 months to even look at the Documents from TES, NeJames answered Baez’s whining about a plea for KC with M NeJames saying, “a COMPETENT ATTORNEY probably could have gotten KC a plea of 10 – 15 years for the Murder of Caylee IF KC would have told them WHERE Caylee was & how she murdered her.”
Sorry, I rant on this particular problem with the INCOMPETENT Baez, always self promoting, all at KC’s expense, she NOW faces the DP, it is really sad that Baez/Anthony’s decided to interject themselves into Prime Time TV & make every buck they could off Caylee, INSTEAD, of KC having a COMPETENT Attorney as NeJames has said in his Motion who would have been professional,” & imo, ultimately resolved this case much earlier.
I LOVE M NeJames, he is exactly on point & doesn’t let Dumb & Dumber, (Mason/Baez,) get away with their lies & propaganda. Baez is “so out of his league, won’t someone please write to KC informing her that the Moron she has for an attorney was never qualified to represent her, or at least, HER BEST INTEREST! Well, don’t write her, she is such a smart ass, she thinks she knows everything, she has the Defense “she richly deserves.” jmo.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/50221424/08122010-Nejame-Reply-to-Defense-Response-to-Motion-to-Quash
RS, I write fiction, I will use what ever I can find about the law and how a suspect is treated in the States in a thriller. I don’t write a book about Caylee Anthony. I read a lot of nonsense about this case, published as facts; just think people should know the difference. Casey is a suspect. The dp was demanded to make her talk, but everything she said, was either a lie, or thought of as a lie. She confessed having lied about some things, about other things, she did not. The things she did not confess as lies, they might be true. Lying doesn’t prove a murder. She had a lot of things to hide, like the fact she didn’t really have a job. jmo 🙂
Ina said on August 14, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Not responding? Then how come I read it?
Amateur profilers and bias body language analysers like dr Glass are big bull shit sellers in my honest opinion. 🙂 How is the merchandise going for some fine bloggers btw? It is becoming big business to write and speculate about this murder.
And I don’t need to be educated by people who are all for the dp. I rather have some one with a heart explain to me why there are people who think it is okay to wish a suspect to be convicted just to die. What happend to the understanding that is a mortal sin to wish someone to be killed, in Christian surroundings?
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I read your post Ina. Makes perfect sense to me.
LOL, how did you say that? This is So cute..
Paranoide bs, pardon me lol. The hinky meter was also the blog with the six chapters so called professional analyses about Casey Anthony’s mental state, without the writer ever been close to her? Just don’t believe everything you read on blogs. There IS reasonable doubt, so why need a conspiracy theory? Let the prosecution prove she is guilty, and if they can’t do it, let it be.
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hahahahahahahahahahaha!! Thanks I needed a good laugh before hitting the hay.
I lost the farm playing poker tonight. 😀
Could you have one of your books translated for me? I’d love to read it.
I’m not sure if you said you were an author or was it JudyPC?? In any case, I admire anyone who is bilingual. Some people have a hard time with one language, much less two.
Even though I’m sure English is your second language, you’re still able to convey humor in your writing. Not to mention your determination on our North American blog which makes you extra special. I hear you loud and clear sister! 😀
Keep on keepin on!!
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🙂 I like JB.
Ina said, on August 15, 2010 at 6:00 am
I like JB.
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Me too!
Art,
🙂 Thanks! I needed a good laugh, this morning, and you surely provided that with your comment, “Well, don’t write her, she is such a smart ass, she thinks she knows everything, she has the Defense “she richly deserves.” jmo.
I’m still chuckling, no matter how terribly sad it is.
Having said that, I’m off and about; sure to talk to you all later.
Have a really good day.
INA! Casey is NOT a “suspect”, she is the ACCUSED! haha- The State is not saying they “suspect” she did it, they have CHARGED her with the crime of killing her daughter!
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Yo hola, you can go to The JBMissions blog and love her there too!
So, do I have this right?
One who has a blog, who writes related to the case, now has a cheerleader chime in, and that cheerleader has a blog as well?
Ah, the blatant and laughable hypocrisy of those associated with the defense, never fails to surface, no?….LOL
RS said, ?????????????????????? ‘splain please ……. don’t get it
LindaNewYork – please don’t be so snarky …. so many write how they love Val …so … why aren’t they at her blog and not here …. please …. a bit of kindness….
RS you do have it right. And I’m have a question hear. The only bloggers that are interested in you jb and ina and yohola are each other so how come all of you dont go to one of your own blogs to talk about the case. ok if anybody wants talk to you about it they will go to your blog. Theres nobody hear that is interesting in anything you have to say so why hang around someplace when you are not wanted? can you not take a hint? Can you not go and play all together now like three little simpletons? or do you rather like to start fights and that is the only reason you come here. again I ask can’t you take a hint.
Linda from NY dont even bother to respond to yo-yo. You have many important things to say and we would miss you if you were not here. the only reason they come here is looking for a fight and they can’t get onto any of the other blogs because nobody cares to play the game with them. They can not blog on any of the other good blogs like bLinks or Hinkys or any other. They would be kicked off so quickly there poor little heads would bespinning. notice how you never see them anywhere except there own blogs and here. what does that tell you.
SS said, ——– not nice ………. in fact, the click here…. LNY, JPC, Bees,ART and a few others seem cut from the same mold….. is as if they ‘get off’ on themselves ….. I very much enjoy a discussion and different thoughts… that’s what INA and JB seemingly bring to the blog ….
you know what just occured to me? yoyo/jb/ina are the same people. they sound exactly the same
yo yo if you like them so much why arent you posting on there blog? do you rather look for a fight here?
SS said, ————– ???? you’re off base ….. really —- I could say the same for the crew previously mentioned….
yoyo says blah blah blah and nobody cares here. see you all later. have fun with the trolls. sounds like they want a fight. bbiaw
SS said, ————– you appear to be a troll … hit and run …..
What you are saying is a “click” are people who are in agrement that Casey is totally guilty based on what we have seen in discovery. So some people who think she is not guilty come in to give their point of view on that and the people such as myself argue back as why we think she is guilty.
So yes, you are in the “not guilty” click and those you mentioned are in the “Casey is absolutely guilty” click. So if those are the clicks, so be it. Unfortunately for the “not guilty click” the majority are in the “guilty click”.
If anyone feels they are in the minority, there are “Team Casey” blogs where you can be in the majority, where no one will argue with you about Casey’s guilt.
Hi Linda! I enjoyed our chat with coffee yesterday! I’m still green with envy!!!
I’m posting this for anybody that is interested in psychic abilities. This one claims that no other psychic in the world has posted more than 500 future World Predictions since 2008 with more accuracy!!
Her approx. 20 predictions about Caylee’s case include these two:
1) One of Casey’s former boyfriends will go to jail before trial…I see he may be in jail during the trial when he’s called as a witness..
2) I’m being told that a lot of major evidence has not been revealed yet in this case and is being vetted before it will be released.
http://worldpsychic.org/missing-persons/Caylee_Anthony-111.htm
Linda …… I am NOT in Casey is innocent corner ….. I am in the corner that abhors nastiness….. that’s it….
OK, Yo hola, fair enough….if I got your opinion on KC wrong…
Just for the record, I am not the SS that has commented here today. I have to admit, I do agree with much she/he has said.
Hi Linda, I do come in here and read your comments which make alot of sense. You go girl!
Yo Hola! said, on August 15, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Linda …… I am NOT in Casey is innocent corner ….. I am in the corner that abhors nastiness….. that’s it….
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LOL Yo Hola! We ALL know what corner you are in, it is one that doesn’t, isn’t capable, or doesn’t want to DISCUSS the case, you prefer to whine about what some of the com mentor’s saying Baez is Douche Bag, WHO CARES??? If you don’t like the comments, jbmission has a blog as well as INA & you can POLICE the comments there as has been pointed out already to you.
Yo hola, WILL you ever “have an original thought or comment on anything on Caylee’s case? Anything relevant to the case? An opinion perhaps, NOT a SNAKY one liner?
Don’t bother answering, I have read your ridiculous one liners up thread until I became bored to tears. You always claim you are interested in Discussion, but YOU NEVER DISCUSS anything, you just question other’s & respond with your one liner’s with a question.
LindaNewYork, LOL! How in the world would anyone KNOW what Yo Hola thinks in Caylee’s case! SHE NEVER CONTRIBUTES, just continues to “piss & moan” & whine about what other’s say.
It would be nice to get back to the Discussion on Caylee, for those that are here for that, & ignore the Trolls!
snoopyslueth, good to see you, I agree with your comment also.
Art, if you don’t like the comments here, go elsewhere? 🙂 Linda, I looked it up.
Under the judicial systems of the U.S., once a decision is approved to arrest a suspect, or bind him over for trial, either by a prosecutor issuing an information, a grand jury issuing a true bill or indictment, or a judge issuing an arrest warrant, the suspect can then be properly called a defendant, or the accused. Only after being convicted is the suspect properly called the perpetrator.
So Casey can be called the accused or the defendant. She has not been proven to be a perpetrator. She is accused of first degree murder and she pleas not guilty.
I agree art tart.
So now we’ve seen the taped phone call to Baez from jail that he tried really, really, really hard to keep from us. And we’ve had time to read all of that damning evidence ~ (D. Casey, Cindy emails etc.) in the last doc. dump. So, what do you think? Coincidence or conspiracy?
Coincidence that both were being released at the same time? Or conspiracy that he made a big stink over the taped phone calls in order to take attention away from the much more damaging document release.
I’m thinking conspiracy. It was an intentional diversion to pull focus away from the emails. Because there was nothing of interest or value in the phone calls was there? Did I miss something? Wouldn’t be the first time. Please tell me if I did. So why did he care so much whether we saw it or not? A little confused.
From what I read of the recorded phone calls I feel the inmate was lying (to lighten her sentence maybe). However there were chunks of the text blocked out so who knows? Maybe there was something juicy before they got at it with a big black marker!
This blog is not about the Discussion on Caylee btw, but about justice in the case of Casey.
Yo Hola! said, on August 15, 2010 at 9:41 am
SS said, ——– not nice ………. in fact, the click here…. LNY, JPC, Bees,ART and a few others seem cut from the same mold….. is as if they ‘get off’ on themselves ….. I very much enjoy a discussion and different thoughts… that’s what INA and JB seemingly bring to the blog …
Thanks Yo. 🙂 It is not easy to keep this blog what is is supposed to be lol.
Funny – I didn’t realize I was on Ina’s blog!!
Wait – I’m not
Bee’s, just got done reading at the link you posted. Not sure what to make of it, since some info is correct and some isn’t. Interesting read though.
Mix!!!
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Beeknees, you FEEL the inmate was lying. I read it, I THINK she was not. It won’t matter much what we feel or think about that, it just needs to be investigated.
Kim!!! 😀
Mix, if you mean the psychic link, I agree. It’s not that I don’t believe in psychics because I think there can be some value to their work but I believe that is very, very rare. I believe about 99.9% of them are frauds but every once in awhile someone with real ability comes along. I’d never heard of this one before.
Rights of the accused: In law, the rights and privileges of a person accused of a crime. In most modern legal systems these include the presumption of innocence until proved guilty, trial by jury, representation by counsel, the right to present witnesses and evidence to establish one’s innocence, and the right to cross-examine one’s accusers. Also important are a prohibition against an unreasonable search and seizure, the right to a speedy trial, and guarantees of freedom from double jeopardy and of the right to appeal. In the U.S. a person accused of a crime must be notified immediately of the right to secure counsel and the right to refuse to answer questions if answering might be incriminating. (internet)
Yes ~ Feel. Imagine. Believe. Think. Guess . . . it’s all any of us have right now. No one can say for sure 100% except for the people involved. But I can say that “Believe” she IS guilty.
There is nothing wrong with opposing opinions when they can be discussed and debated respectfully. But it is not a discussion or a debate when somebody just says “This is what I believe.” Period. And they cannot show why they believe it. They just do. OK. Fine. But you can only say that so often without backing it up with any fact or circumstance. When you repeatedly say the same thing to the same group of people for months you have to wonder why. When I say I believe casey killed Caylee I can back that up with both factual and circumstantial evidence. But the people who say she is not guilty cannot provide any evidence to support their beliefs so it becomes tedious.
Well said, Bee’s – I too would like something factual regarding her innocence other than her parents on talk TV
Ina, I love this blog & I love the DISCUSSION that many of us have daily, it is tiresome that the “trolls” continue to stay off the subject of the case & piss & moan about other’s, etc. This blog has a “reputation for the trolls, usually they are called out by name on other blogs so it is no secret who they are,” most of us discussing the case ignore their BS and continue to have discussions amongst each other. The trolls are predictable, it would seem they would stay busy enough with their own blogs, but sadly they come here to be disruptive. jmo. No one expects that to change, most of us will continue to discuss the case in spite of their immaturity.
Ina, comment you made at 1:31 pm. Your JOKE is hilarious, I LMAO! Too funny!
Hey Mixologist, Kim, Bees. BEES you are correct in your comment above, I have grown bored & find it tiresome to try to have discussions with those you describe, too many that understand the “relevant information” that enjoy discussing the facts/evidence etc. in the case. I have read your link yet but plan to next, thanks for sharing, always something to think about.
I can back up my beliefs, and that I think there is a lot to be doubted. I already put the reasons here. I don’t say she is innoncent, how would I know, just as you don’t know she is not. I just doubt it can be proved she killed Caylee. And as she would face the dp, I somehow hope they can’t prove she did it, even if she has something to do with it as the dp is beyond Justice. It is not humane.
She will have been in jail for years already with that dp hanging over her so I think what ever the outcome, she has already been punished severely. If she is no threat to society, if there is no more evidence, I don’t see why she can’t be set free in May 2012.
JMO.
You can say so often Casey is a monster , that her family is bad etc, it has nothing to do with Justice, law or this case.
It is a pity this blog has to deal with crappy nonsense, I agree tart. 🙂 Night!
art tart ——– who died and made you the queen of the blog…????? —- I am not a troll …. calm down….
Here – in the United States – we prefer baby killing monsters to remain locked away where they can’t hurt any more babies.
Especially when all her parents do is lie. And that’s all Casey does. That is actually something that we KNOW to be TRUE. They lie, lie, lie! We have many, many, many examples of them lying. So why should anyone ever believe them? And they are so transparent. They are the worst liars I’ve ever seen because they lie so much they become confused and you can’t find any trail of logic or truth in ther statements. It’s all bullsh*t.
A typical statement from the Anthony camp: “We know that casey did not kill Caylee because she left the blue towel on the kitchen table which is what she does when she wants to share something and if it touches the floor that means it’s very important so take all your pillowcases off the line unless you like the smell of dead squirrels and your sports bra comes from Target!”
What the……………..? Anthony-speak means NOTHING.
It’s just a string of gobbely
gobbely-goop
Kim, you make a good point! It would be “great if there was any factual information coming from the Defense in their representation of KC, but sadly, there isn’t any. There continues to be nothing believable & plausible, they continue to “entertain with their behaviors through the Orlando Media, whom it most certainly isn’t lost on either!” Thier Defense seems to be that “SUDDI” while KC was in Jail, hmmmm, was it the Phantom Nanny that KC GAVE CAYLEE TO? Who did KC give Caylee to?” DUH! Since their never was a nanny, KC was the last known person to have Caylee, the Defense, imo, will never “float their theory SUDDI by putting Caylee’s remains in the woods.”
Mean while, the STATE has meticulously “worked for Caylee, followed all leads, continue to investigate, act professionally, & imo, will deliver JUSTICE for the only Victim, Caylee Marie.” As Hal Boedeker reminds us, “The Anthony’s provide entertainment,” I can truly say in my adult life I avoid liars & if I find a friend lies, I weed them from my life. I think most us find watching the Anthony’s appalling, to think they MAKE MONEY for Lying & still get to spew propaganda. Of course there are a few trolls that believe their lies, LOL!
Kim, I’m okay with Florida taking casey’s life. As you said earlier, a woman who would kill her own child would surely not bat an eyelash at killing anyone.
Casey herself has not veered away from the nanny story. Baez and Co. are going to hurt themselves twisting and turning trying to create a plausible defense based on what we all know now to be a blatant lie. Even Cindy is avoiding the nanny issue by lamely saying she doubts the DNA that has been done and thinks Caylee could still be alive.
31 days before her mother reported Casey’s baby missing, a car smelling of death, no nanny any where, all the lies and obfuscations
Let me be more clear. I’m okay with taking casey’s life IF the state can prove she murdered Caylee. I am very confident the State can do that but yes, of course we have to wait and see.
If you can’t do the time , don’t do the crime
Barretta 😉
If you don’t want to be put to death for murder there are 2 choices
don’t murder
don’t do it in a DP state
Yo hola, CAN YOU QUIT CRITICIZING OTHER’S & TRY TO DISCUSS THE CASE? Is that even possible that you could have an ORIGINAL THOUGHT ABOUT THE CASE? Don’t tell me to calm down, as my friend Morgan says, “Piss up a rope!” Those of us that comment on the case know what you are and exactly what you are about, we will continue to do so IN-SPITE of the trolls.
BEES KNEES, the sad thing, imo, for little Caylee is that one true thing that CA did for Caylee was call 911 & claim the trunk smelled like a dead body. THEN, of course, she tried to LIE her way out of that, BECAUSE, there had been “a damn dead body in her daughter’s trunk” & it belonged to her “beloved grand daughter.”
It would seem that CA will contribute NOTHING to KC’s case but sit on the stand & ADMIT to the 911 call, then the Defense will give her an opportunity to explain she really didn’t mean it about the dead body, & the STATE will again cross examine CA, MAKE HER ADMIT the 911 call.
BEES, GA is “locked into his Grand Jury Testimony, LE Interview, & Deposition, if he tries to LIE, the STATE will jump in his face w/both fee.” CA is so discredited, I can’t see she is of any use except the 911 call.
Kim, this is what I am grappling with. How can the story of the nanny be replaced with a new story without a nanny given that casey was offered at least one chance to change her story but we all heard her say it was the truth and she was not going to change it?
art tart — can’t u express an opinion without going out of control???
Art, yes! Exactly!! GA is locked into his testimony and don’t you think casey is locked into hers (Zanny)? Is it less of a crime to lie to the Police than to the Grand Jury? No wonder the State looks so confident. There’s no way out for casey.
Art tart I understand your frustration. Here. Let me polish your tiara, Queen of the Blogs. Ha ha ha . . .
Hal Boedeker AGAIN points out the obvious! He said:
CASEY ANTHONY & LINDSAY LOHAN: DON’T LET YOUR PARENT’S DO TELEVISION INTERVIEWS!
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/08/casey-anthony-and-lindsay-lohan-dont-let-your-parents-do-television-interviews.html
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LMAO! YEP! Dina Lohan is another N U T J O B parent, she lies & spews propaganda about her “skank daughter, self destructive daughter, lying daughter,” but she, like the Anthony’s continue to make excuses for the sorry adult daughter she raised.” Is she CA’s mentor? They certainly have many of the same characteristics, “especially willing to go to any length to make excuses or to keep from holding their daughter’s responsible.” jmo.
Yo Hola, Can you discuss the case or are you just here to harass other’s? Thus far, I haven’t seen one thing you “contribute to the case,” but you endlessly bother other’s who do want to discuss the case. Get Lost!
Thanks BEES for polishing my Tiara! LOL!
I was also considering the fact that since Casey is sticking to the nanny story – won’t she herself have to describe it to the jury?
could be fun
I saw a bit of that interview with Lohan. The similarities are many ~ so entitled, lies, always the victim. ALWAYS.
At least Lohan had a job – – for a while
Kim, if I thought casey would have to take the stand I would start saving money right now to spend a few weeks in Orlando come trial time. Seriously, how does that work when many people want to watch and the courtroom is too small?
Ha ha, true. It’s too bad about Lindsay cause I really do think she had some talent. But that’s what happens to these kids that are turned into stars when they are so young. It doesn’t have to be that way. The parents are to blame when that happens and Dinah Lohan is one of the worst. It won’t be any surprise to read that Lindsey died of an overdose some day in the future. YAY for child stars!!!
lottery?
I have no idea
I never saw talent in her but what do I know. My only child became a Marine and his talents would scare the bejesus outta Ina 😉
And have you seen her 40 year old sister Ali? Rough looking!
I’m going back to when she was in The Parent Trap.
Kim, you can be proud of your son. A Marine, huh? Nicely done.
Thanks, Bee’s. He is a good man and a great Father – he would never allow anything or anyone harm his family
Kim, too, Dina & the whole crazy family, including Linday’s jail bird dad, Micheal Lohan who is facing charges of beating his then fiance, another N U T J O B all lived off Lindsay! Guess Dina was paid those valuable “licensing fees” like the Anthony’s but the sad facts are: Neither set of parent’s can hold responsible jobs because they are too busy bilking their adult children, & in KC’s case, Caylee’s murder to support themselves.
Lindsay Lohan, like KC is so self destructive, Lindsay may well kill herself with her behavior & drug abuse, KC chose to murder someone that bothered her, similar disorders perhaps? George couldn’t even spell her name when batting his eyes & making a complete fool of himself during the deposition w/John Morgan.
BEES, I would love to attend the trial also, but slim chance KC will take the stand according to Legal Analysts. TOO many lies. Kim, LOL, seems the Defense is going to be stuck with the ZANNY story because weeks of testimony will go by with LE/FBI/Detectives explaining the efforts they made to “Unearth the Phantom Zanny.” They will conclude ” she never existed, no one has ever seen her, no on has her phone number.” Countless friends of KC’s & her parent’s heard KC continue to say during the 31 days, Caylee was with Zanny!
KUDOS Kim, I am forever humbled by the men & women that proudly serve our country. They continue to keep us free & allow us to have “freedom of speech.” I saw an interview with Sarah Palin, someone heckled her & she responded, “I am a proud parent of a son serving in our Military that has provided you the right to heckle, freedom of speech!”
Did anyone find out why so many depositions were canceled? I thought perhaps Mason had “paying clients” as I read he is representing another high profile political case, but otherwise, tons of depos are piling up for the Defense.
Exactly, art – lies on lies on lies
Well if we really can’t see the murderess on the stand we’ll have to be satisfied just watching her face while her family and ex-friends are on the stand. And yes, the search for Zanny will be hilarious to hear about.
Got to go for now. Nice blogging with you today!
I haven’t found anything yet, art – I can not fathom Baez’ strategy
OFF TOPIC: Did everyone see where Phillip Markoff, Craiglist Murderer killed himself on what would have been his first wedding anniversary. I have followed that case, a medical student, a beautiful fiancée, but destructive, he chose to murder & rob someone in a hotel room.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/15/report-craigslist-killer-commits-suicide-jail-cell/
Kim, I can’t fathom what the Defense will do, but thus far, all this time wasted, 9 months to go, hopefully they will improve, learn to act professionally, & remember they are there to represent KC, not promote themselves.
Before I go I want to mention that there has been some really beautiful and powerful music posted at Hinky’s today. Inspirational and healing, in light of so many sad realities this past week.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/15/some-of-my-favorite-songs/#comments
art tart as I said before ……….who died and made YOU the queen of the blog … and I’m curious …. why re you so negative ??
Yo hola, who cares what you think, CAN YOU DISCUSS THE CASE?
Let me answer for you: NO! No you aren’t capable!
BEES KNEES, I saw that awhile ago, Val hal really presents so many varied topics & I enjoyed the contributions of those that contributed to that topic as well as KC’s case, which has tons of great thoughts & comments made by many.
Thanks Bee’s I will be sure to go look!
art – I doubt Baez has a CLUE as to appropriate behavior
art tart as I said before ……….who died and made YOU the queen of the blog … and I’m curious …. why r
you so negative ?? Life is so short —-
Why can’t you let it go, yo?
Kim ———— actually …. I have …but …. I so don’t like being maligned …. got it??
Yo————– you haven’t ——————- the only maligning you bring on yourself by only making comments of this type:
Yo Hola! said, on August 15, 2010 at 3:59 pm
art tart as I said before ……….who died and made YOU the queen of the blog … and I’m curious …. why r
you so negative ?? Life is so short —-
and this:
Yo Hola! said, on August 15, 2010 at 3:44 pm
art tart as I said before ……….who died and made YOU the queen of the blog … and I’m curious …. why re you so negative ??
and this:
Yo Hola! said, on August 15, 2010 at 2:47 pm
art tart — can’t u express an opinion without going out of control???
Kim — so ……….. I guess you haven’t read the earlier posts,….. whatever ———
you mean like these?
Yo Hola! said, on August 15, 2010 at 2:28 pm
art tart ——– who died and made you the queen of the blog…????? —- I am not a troll …. calm down….
Yo Hola! said, on August 15, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Linda …… I am NOT in Casey is innocent corner ….. I am in the corner that abhors nastiness….. that’s it….
Yo Hola! said, on August 15, 2010 at 9:48 am
SS said, ————– you appear to be a troll … hit and run …..
Yo Hola! said, on August 15, 2010 at 9:44 am
SS said, ————– ???? you’re off base ….. really —- I could say the same for the crew previously mentioned….
OK.
RE: Ina said, on August 15, 2010 at 1:19 pm
Ina, I never used the word: perpetrator. I used the words “accused” and “charged”.
RE: Ina said, on August 15, 2010 at 1:50 pm
INA, THIS IS NOT A COURT OF LAW…THIS IS A BLOG. How many times has this been said ?. I can find her GUILTY of killing her daughter if I want. Anywhere I want. “THIS” is NOT a court of law.
Us Americans KNOW it does not count in the court of public opinon. So stop with your C&Ping. I KNOW SHE NEEDS TO BE CONVICTED IN A COURT OF LAW. Trial by jury. cross examining witness, blah, blah, blah,yada, yada, yada. I LIVE here and know how it works….LOL! And here’s a smiley face for you 🙂
OK, all together now..”Ina this is not a courtroom…. This is the court of public opinoin!We know that. We know WE cannot convict her here, “for real” and sentence her to the DP.
And here’s my favorite
Ina said, on August 15, 2010 at 2:24 pm
“I can back up my beliefs, and that I think there is a lot to be doubted. I already put the reasons here.”….
WELL, Ina WE, and sorry I am gonna speak for everyone (and you know who you are LOL!) Can back up our beliefs as well and thin there is nothing to be doubted.
Ina also said on August 15, 2010 at 2:24 pm :
“And as she would face the dp, I somehow hope they can’t prove she did it, even if she has something to do with it as the dp is beyond Justice. It is not humane.”
EVEN IF SHE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT? So you find that a Mother murdering her almost 3 year old daughter is humane?
And some more INAISMS from the same comment:
“She will have been in jail for years already with that dp hanging over her so I think what ever the outcome, she has already been punished severely.”
Ina I truy think you have a f@##%^*$$ %&&&##@** up way of thinking.
JMO. 🙂
applause applause applause
bravo Linda
Hi Snoopsleuth!! I knew that wasn’t you. I know you come in as yourself. Good to “see” you….
OK, I have collected myself…
(I was reading and then writing that comment in-between making dinner and thanks to her, I burnt the sausage! B*tch.
rut roh
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almost forgot. lol!
perfect! just be glad I guess that she doesn’t use 😉
LindaNewYork, I have a f@##0&-3%%%%%5 way of understanding! LOL Ina is ok!
i bet ina wouldn’t burn the sausage! LOL Did your cooking pan really get that hot?
Go Home! 🙂
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rut roh is right, Kim!
haha-I was making sausage with spaghetti and garlic sauce and left it sitting in the pan with the flame going and forgot about it, LOL! My husband called it Sausage Jerky and I called it sauasage chips!
It’s all good 😉
And God Bless your son, Kim for serving our country!
Thanks, Linda! Sometimes I think his service was as hard on me as it was on him – you know how Mom’s worry!
Yo Hola! said, on August 15, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Kim — so ……….. I guess you haven’t read the earlier posts,….. whatever ———
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Yo Hola, You are here to piss & moan to and about other’s & NOT COMMENT on the case, imo, if you are here for discussion, WHERE IS IT? Every single day you are in an on going exchange about NOTHING pertaining to the case with someone. Kim seems to have pointed out ONLY a few to you & she didn’t go back very far! Why is it you just don’t get it, why can’t you see how laughable the comments are? One day you attacked mixologist74, of course, she like most, stuck it back down your throat. She comes here to comment about the case, but you harassed her & she set you straight. WHY don’t you just leave everyone alone & quit harassing everyone! Why are you here as a disruption if you can’t comment on the case? Those of us that want to discuss the case are forever burdened by those that don’t!
Kim, LMAO, do you think Yo Hola will understand your reply to her? I doubt it, seems many of us point that out daily, ONLY in response to ridiculous/laughable one liner’s she shoots out everyday towards someone. Your comment to her is hilarious, wonder if she see’s herself as we do, comment after comment, NOTHING ABOUT THE CASE!
LindaNewYork, there comes a time when you simply can’t have a reasonable discussion with someone & most of us have given up with two of them, the other one is not capable of “forming intelligent comments,” so it is useless though laughable. I can certainly understand that you have run out of patience, most of us just IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE.
The verbal picture that Ashton painted of “Caylee’s last moments on earth” will leave the jury in tears as it did many of us watching, just think, he didn’t tell everything about those last moments, he will share them in trial in closing. I can’t think of a more horrendous murder than that of a defenseless child. We will see what the jury thinks!
I simply pointed out, art – her entire day here was all about nastiness
I don’t expect her to understand
Thanks Kim, your correct, I don’t think she realizes all the snide remarks until they are listed for her & they were all directed at other people.
Last week I posted this link as imo, it is informative, they have broken down the PDF from NeJames now, & there is a great interview w/Tim Miller, one of my favorites. If you didn’t get to check it out, consider it.
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/
I am surprised that the “craigslist killer” committed suicide, I wonder if he felt overwhelming remorse for robbing a beautiful young woman of the journey of life, understood that he had everything in the world from a loving fiancée, a career of helping others as he was still in med school, & enjoyed the “unconditional love of his parent’s, so baffling & disturbing.”
I wonder so many times, if, KC ever thinks of Caylee, regrets murdering Caylee, regrets the way she treated just about everybody she knew with lies & stealing their money, even her grand parent’s. I wonder if she regrets anything except “that she got caught!” Apparently, when Ashton described Caylee’s last moments on earth, she was furious! Well KC, get ready for the exposure of your entire life, you weren’t even a nice person before you were a murderer, you will get to listen to everything!
This Video is a MUST SEE! It is the Video in which Mason shot his mouth off during an interview when Caylee’s remains were found.
Mason said: Parent’s & Defense Attorney will have NO CREDIBILITY with all the Media about the Caylee sightings IF the remains were Caylee’s. (before they were confirmed to be Caylee’s.)
Mason said: KC would get Life In Prison if she got a Plea, OR, if the case were tried, IT WOULD HAVE A CIRCUS LIKE ATMOSPHERE! LOL! He nailed that! Mason chose to “join that very Circus,” creating more laugh’s & entertainment.
Prosecutor said: Predicted Life in Prison.
This interview was done when the remains were found, Dec 2008:
Mr. Sheaffer, I am so sorry, I didn’t mean for this to post the video, I have never listed a link from youtube before, I was just trying to site the link. Seems most of the old interviews have gone to youtube now, I guess there must be thousands but this interview in particular, showing Mason running his mouth about his predictions & now he is on the case in interesting.
Nothing to apologize about art. Sometimes YouTube just does that nowadays. I’ve seen it all over the blogs. The first time I did it too I was horrified but I’ve come to learn that it’s very common and no one ever would object to it. It’s all good. And thanks for it. I’d heard about it before but hadn’t actually seen it till now.
I wonder how he has come to terms about how he used to feel and what he’s doing now? I bet he’s sorry he ever opened his mouth on the subject. It will be a sour note to end his career on.
BEES KNEES, I too wonder why Mason would have chosen to get involved in KC’s case, of course he said “FUN” just after he swaggered out of Judge S’s courtroom where he dominated it & acted a “fool.” Bet the Defense would do anything to have Judge S back, Mason has “bumbled, confused, & nervous” when trying to compose a thought to present before Judge P but imo, the look on Judge P’s face is one of “sympathy.” Mason could have retired & commented on the Case, seems at one time he was based in “Reality,” that is before he “joined the Circus that he refers to” & has gotten to know that Defense Attorney in which he says has no credibility. I agree, Mason could have retired & perhaps commented on cases instead of “ending his career trying to defend a baby murderer.”
hi art tart. Couldn’t sleep and guess what is on 48 hours Hard Evidence right now…The Craiglist killer! Wierd!
And I will for now on, ignore. LOL! So ridiculous.
Hi Bees!
Yes, what a way for him to END his career with a lemon of a case!
Kim said, on August 15, 2010 at 6:08 pm
Kim, I cannot even imagine…
Thanks for the video, art! I don’t know that I actually saw it before
circus indeed
Gee, another one gets out of dodge, but IMO not before he has so totally tarnished his image…now, according to reports, Conway is quitting and will no longer represent Cindy and George…..
Just saw that he is withdrawing … but … my cable froze… so …. just as Anne asked Conway for the reasoning …… it went blank…. what did he say???
According to MyFoxOrlando, it has to do with the motion filed last week regarding his viewing of the TE documents…..seems Mr. Baez had his facts wrong before filing the motion. Now, Conway can be called as a witness.
Another one bites the dust!
Thanks…
What lies beneath? Actually what belies the TRUTH!
Damage control seems prevalent…. Brad Conway resigned over a conflict of interest
per se, then what is Baez excuse?
Here comes da Judge….lol
CONWAY RESIGNS OVER DEFENSE TEAM POSSIBILITY OF BEING CALLED AS A WITNESS
http://www.wesh.com/news/24643120/detail.html
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ORLANDO SENTINEL:
Conway said a motion filed by Casey Anthony’s defense earlier this month contains untrue allegations involving him.
And because of that motion, Conway said, he is now a witness to an inaccurate legal pleading filed in court.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-attorney-20100816,0,4922195.story
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http://www.clickorlando.com/news/24643585/detail.html
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To understand what is exactly going on, you must read the PDF by M NeJames in which the DEFENSE is whining at Conway (1) allowed the Anthony’s to stell Judge S they “had no conflict over NeJames’ representation of TES.” (2) That B Conway looked at ALL the 4,000 names, he made the time to do so & visited a couple of different days.
NeJames called Conway a “fine/reputable attorney” & offered Conway the opportunity as a “courtesy to GA/CA.” NOW, since Baez can’t think of any other way to whine about the 4,000 names, B Conway will have to DEFEND HIS GOOD NAME as the “Desperate Defense” CONTINUES to “resort to lying.”
Yes, and I have swamp land to sell if that is the reason…
Conway, IMO, could address the inaccuracies in a motion and still represent them…he would not being violating any confidential info in doing so…
Nothing coming from the cadre associated with the defense surprises me…
RS, the problem with Conway writing his OWN Motion is that he is going to be called to “Testify.” M NeJames, imo, will straighten out the latest lies coming from the Defense. Too, I would imagine that CA/GA do exactly what they want: create drama, lie, demand a lot of his time when he is pro bono.
This may well be the “best thing to happen to Brad, to get to discontinue representing clients that want to do anything!” They acted like complete asse$ at the depositions with John Morgan. Then the Anthony’s claimed they didn’t want to do ANY MORE DEPOSITIONS VIDEOED, I guess except by CA, because “they had received so much backlash from the pub lic because of their behavior.” LOL! The Anthony’s couldn’t say: “We acted like complete & utter morons/idiots during the depositions & we regret how stupid we look to the public, but, but, but isn’t this just ABOUT US?
HINKY METER, Valhal, as always, has written a great piece on what has happened!
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/16/caylee-anthony-case-conway-will-no-longer-represent-anthonys/
B CONWAY on TODAY SHOW! The interviewer MADE a lot of errors when interviewing:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/38721272#38721272
Gees, he just resigned, what, an hour ago!
No wonder why the Anthony’s went on the sympathy tour this weekend. BUT it looks like Brad travelled to NYC with them, as he is in the NBC studio.
Everyone gets body slammed. Everyone. Everyone involved with the Anthony family gets sullied.
Somewhere a murdered almost 3 year old has been lost in the circus. Baez is making a mockerey out of a child that was murdered.
Well off to read around.
LindaNewYork, what in the world is “wrong with Nut job Baez?”
imo, the interview on TODAY Show was good, as NeJames said in his MOTION, Conway is a good Attorney, Conway HAS TO RESIGN, because he now is a “witness.” I like Conway, the Anthony’s are “miserable people, miserable client’s that don’t have a dime to pay anyone, not even to help pay a competent attorney to represent their daughter, they don’t listen, & are willing to LIE at all cost for KC on National TV while bilking Caylee’s murder for every dime.”
Good Luck to the Anthony’s finding ANYONE to help them Pro Bono! Oh my, who will negotiate those Media Interviews that keep the ANT’s from answering REAL questions? Negotiate how much money they will bilk? I wish Conway ALL THE LUCK because he deserves to move forward in his life/profession & hopefully get himself some “paying clients,” with no drama. It would probably seem like a Vacation to him to be away from that family.
Who ya gonna believe? Nut job Baez? Bumbling/confused Mason? CA, nobody leaves CA! or Gas Can George who remains confused, but all are known liars! My money is on Conway, he will tell the truth to defend his reputation, and himself in spite of all the DRAMA the others will try to create!
arttart,
If you want to believe that excuse go ahead, but in the past he had no problem misleading judge Rodriguez, misleading Larry King etc…
IMO he is cut from same cloth as others among the defense and associated…
hi art.
Cindy will now negotiate her own media tours and make money off herself…LOL!
Like I said over at Valhall’s, the Anthonys need to find a sleazy attorney. The honest, moral attorney’s do not work for her. And I am sure Baez can recommend one of that caliber.
I never imagined I would feel and think the way I do about Grandparents who’s granddaughter was murdered. I have not one good thought of that family of scum. Not a one.
KC’S FATE COULD BE DECIDED IN FINAL RULING OF THE DP BY JUDGE PERRY!
In the final phase of a death-penalty case, jurors must rely on recollection of evidence, veracity of court testimony and, ultimately, instructions given to them by the judge.
Such aggravators — asking jurors to consider whether a murder, for instance, was committed in a “heinous, atrocious, or cruel” way — must get weighed against so-called “mitigating circumstances,” meant to offer explanations for why someone kills.
To continue reading:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-casey-anthony-death-penalty-20100815,0,3151611.story
WHY must there always be an excuse? imo, KC made her own choices to benefit only herself, she didn’t want to work because stealing had become a habit, self absorbed, spoiled brat with the indifference or inability to consider anyone else. YEP! Those mitigating circumstances are going to “continue to paint KC as a VICTIM,” the Anthony’s will be thrown under the bus! That is, if this case is even tried!
Conway is right now ordering a Thank You bouquet to be delivered to Baez/Mason.
art tart said, on August 16, 2010 at 9:14 am
“Such aggravators — asking jurors to consider whether a murder, for instance, was committed in a “heinous, atrocious, or cruel” way — must get weighed against so-called “mitigating circumstances,” meant to offer explanations for why someone kills.”
Here’s my problem with what may be presented, if Casey is sentenced to death, as “mitigating circumstances” as an “explanation” as why she killed Caylee.
She has maintained from the beginning to now, that she is innocent/not guilty of murdering her daughter. SO, as far as I am concerned, there ARE NO mitigating circumstances, as to why she killed if she is not admitting that she killed her daughter.
Would a jury view it as cold, atrocious, that a mother NEVER dialed 911 for her child? That only when forced into it did the mother even speak to authorities, and then lied left and right?
Absolutely, they will…..and the fact she NEVER dialed 911 for her child will make a juror much more comfortable in assigning a death sentence based on a strong prosecution presentation/indication of any aggravating factors. This one starts out in the negative as to effort to use any mitigating factors, because no juror will overlook the failure to care for her kid, never dialing 911.
Brad Conway quit.
Yes. He did. He quit the hot mess
That makes sense to me art. “SO, as far as I am concerned, there ARE NO mitigating circumstances, as to why she killed if she is not admitting that she killed her daughter.” Judy, do you know?
Conway said ” as an officer of the court, I can not KNOWINGLY support something that is a lie”
Good Morning Friends! Way to Rock & Roll on a Monday Morning! Conway, hey, “another door will open & maybe they can PAY you for your services. This may well be the best thing in Conway’s career, an excuse to walk away as representation for the Anthony’s, he says he plans to attend hearings etc. but he won’t be burdened by CA/Gas Can George.
judypc, I posted all the links above for Orlando Media, including the announcement he made on the TODAY SHOW today. The Link to Hinkey Meter, as always is Great!
Linda, I understand your point, I fear also a list of excuses, sexually abused, loved Lee more, CA ruined her self esteem, the list will be endless, basically, the ANT’s will be thrown under the bus for everything in KC’s life, but hey, would it be KARMA? Perhaps they will then realize that Caylee deserved the JUSTICE they never bothered to demand & KC will deserve the verdict she receives..
Bees, mitigating circumstances will not come into play until the Sentence is given,
(I think)
That is when they will say, well Casey is messed up, she did this because, she was an abused child, her home life was a mess, bla bla bla bla.
Hi judypc!
I guess what I was getting at is that if she does not admit and maintains her innocence throughout the trial, the “well Casey is messed up she did this because…” wouldn’t make sense if she never admitted to killing Caylee in the first place.
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And yes, Valhall “has a way” of giving her point of view on the Circus. Loved her take on the latest. LOL’d throughout!
Linda.
I know it sounds odd but if she is found guilty the mitigating circumstances will be used to take the DP off the table even if she never say’s I did it, they will beg do not kill her because she just did not know any better, her momma did not hug her enough, her daddy and brother hugged her too much, they fed her twinkies and the sugar drove her nuts.
She, if found guilty will get an Automatic Appeal, and I promise you Cindy will file that Casey had a crappy lawyer, which honestly will be hard to deny.
So expect this case to linger for another 20 years at least.
Yes it is odd, but I DO get it! It’s just such a bunch of BS! As is everything surrounding that girl/monster.
Yes, it will be hard to deny the crappiness of Casey’s lawyer. LOL! Besides the auto appeal if sentenced to death, there most certainly will be the appeal based on ineffective council. And the new lawyer will convince her to plead guilty in exchange for LWOP.
judypc, love that line, “her momma did not hug her enough, her daddy and brother hugged her too much”. Next laugh up will be Mr. Biaz’s response to Mr. Conway resigning.
Hi Linda, Art, it’s such a great way to kick off the week, I agree! Don’t you think Conway must be wearing a secret perma-grin underneath his professional composure?? I think it must be a HUGE weight off his shoulders. Guess we’ll see what happens next in the Foghorn & Bozo Travelling Show.
It doesn’t seem that many days go by without something to chew on. As Bill Sheaffer explained above, a lot of it is just white noise, but sometimes I can’t distinguish between “important white noise” or “empty white noise” until we can get some perspective on it. How important is this to the case?
Actually, Cindy has no say as to which lawyer Casey decides to use. She can say that Mr. Biaz was a lousy lawyer, but that means nothing, as Casey is an adult and not under the control of Cindy. Cindy saying it has as much influence as any of us saying it. IMO
Do the Anthonys have a cousin Vinnie? I mean, they do need a new lawyer.
ROFL, muesli…Cousin Vinny…haha
Have you all heard about the emergency meeting this morning in Judge Perry’s office with the defense team, the prosecution and Mr. NeJame. It’s on Hal Boedeker’s blog.
Linda, kudos, about the mockery being made of Caylee; and especially by her own grandmother who now attempts to deny the homicide, stating she believes Caylee’s alive, AFTER having accused Jesse Grund and Roy Kronk of being suspect in the killing. Will someone please, just sit her down and shut her up?
I hope the day’s treating you all well, so far. Brad Conway’s no doubt having a far better day than he has had in a while. It has to be a relief to him to be able to just stop maintaining the pretense.
Hope the day treats you all well.
Muesli,
Hummm, might a plea be in the making? Would the State accept any compromise?
I smell sanctions in the air; as well as a bit fat report sent with Judge Perry’s official autograph. Cheney Mason will be scrambling to replace Baez, if he’s any sense at all. But of course, that’s Casey’s call.
I meant “big” fat report.
muesli :
Egads, I did write that Cindy will file, what was on my mind and on my fingers some how did not meet, what I was thinking was Cindy will say, and Casey will file.
hey its Monday, & I’m a blond soooooo, you just have to read my mind and not my fingers 😉
Conway told NBC’s Ann Curry that he was a witness to false pleadings by the defense over Texas EquuSearch records. Conway said he had to withdraw because the defense had misrepresented his role and actions.
About now I would bet Judge Perry has the ass of Jose’s pants in his mouth as he has chewed and taken a HUGE bite.
The above statement by Conway has left the door wide open for Jokin Jose to be sanctioned in a big way, and you better bet your sweet bippy Nejame has as well placed a formal complaint.
Jose could be looking for a new line of work, the Florida Bar will have no option but to look into his actions, 2 members of the bar have voiced complaints, and the media has it.
judypc, sorry about the blondness. I’ll remember to type slowly for you. Just kidding. My son once gave his Swedish girlfriend a t shirt with “speak slowly, I’m blond” on it. Her father was not amused, very not amused.
This case is getting weirder by the day. Wonder why Mr. Biaz didn’t have time to respond to Brad Conway’s resignation, after he left Judge Perry’s emergency meeting. He always had time for the cameras/media before. What is he up to now?
Oh I promise about now Jokin Jose’ is worried, I promise that meeting was not to give him an award lol.
I would imagine Jose saw Judge Perry as a big mean pissed off pit bull and it was not at all pretty.
Jose prob was still shakin in his shoes when he left that office, he prob could not speak for the lump in his throat.
LOL on the tee shirt.
Mr. Sheaffer:
Although there has been several discussiong regarding the “prison tapes” it left me kinda a curious when they were released and what was on them.
When “we” first got wind of these jailhouse recordings Mr. Baez made it sound as though it would be very damaging to the defense if those tapes were released (why motion to have them treated as confedential?) but when they were released all that was being said was “she said, she said”. Mr. Baez went on to state that he was unaware he was being recorded; which is now known as a “miss-truth” but i am curious as to why make such a big stink about what was being discussed if there was nothing in the tapes that was damaging?
Was this a ploy or an attempt to get more time? Baez would have to know that these tapes would be made available to the public wouldn’t he?IMO he did it to get as much attention to what was being said between inmates so that he could show reasonable doubt but to go to such an extreme doesnt make sense?
UGH! To my understanding, regarding the Disney dress that was found near the airport, neither NeJame, Padilla or Tim Miller had a hand in planting the dress; and in fact, Tim Miller was quite upset that the dress had been planted, but not by him or anyone else from TES. Underline FROM, as there were search crews that worked closely with TES but weren’t from TES. As I recall, and this goes back a while so my memory might be less than clear, another search crew planted the dress for the sole purpose of obtaining credit for such a find, and outshining TES. That was the whole point of planting it! Tim was devastated, his only intention being to find Caylee, by whatever means possible, and he had a pretty good idea of where she was, in the area that was unaccessible, because it was under water. David Lohr, I believe, has the specifics on that. Or Kleat, from Blink/Hinky. And please, anyone, correct me should my memory be such that I am mistaking facts here. Thanks.
Team Casey has long been out of control, while they were given a very long rope it now seems they have at last reached the end of it and their is no knot on the end to hold onto.
We waited for Judge Strictland to pounce, then we watched as Judge Perry took control of the hammer, and while he was more strict we still saw team Casey slip through the cracks and go their merry way.
As a citizen of Florida this has long bothered me, let us hope now that the law and Jose become aquainted.
And the games will stop, it is sad to see a member of the bar be so dishonest and underhanded.
As most know I have great respect for the law and for the defense lawyer.
Jose has tainted that great calling, and for that I am sad.
Who knows what’s going on behind closed doors but from the little I know about plea deals they always happen right at the last minute. So I’ve been told at least.
Judy, So what do you think Judge Perry may have said to Baez? Also, what do you suppose Cheney Mason’s response is to all of this? Can Mason try to reason with Casey in hopes of having Baez discharged? Or are they going to let this ride, stalling for time, while moving toward a mistrial or in preparing for an appeal?
The fact that NeJame was involved with the closed door meeting tells us this was not about a plea deal.
This was to address the issue of the searchers and the fact that team Casey has lied, and filed a motion with false info.
This is not a good thing for team Casey, and we may be seeing a change in the defense team.
Jose’ stands to loose more than this case.
Hunter, was David Lohr the one who worked for ID channel?
Hunter,
Miller was not upset that someone planted a dress, he was upset that someone leaked they had found a Disney dress…
Judypc, which would be a very good thing, indeed, and even for Casey, if her Constitutional right to adequate counsel is to be upheld. I don’t understand why Mason, who is supposed to be experienced, has yet to take the lead.
Here’s Seamus O Riley (the guy that does Statement Analysis) giving us his analysis of Brad’s resignation.
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/08/brad-conway.html
Thanks, RS. I’d have to dig way back to find the emails containing Tim Miller’s response, and I’m so packed with so much uncategorized “Anthony” that it would take me a good month. At least I got the upset part right. 🙂
Muesli, Yes. He’s another truly admirable soul in all of this mess, in my most humble opinion.
I just gotta say this, and though it’s going to be WAY off topic, so forgive me…
Mr. Bill Schaeffer you are such a cutie! I so love coming here and seeing your smiling face!
There. I said it. And never ever have to again!
Delete it Art, if you will. 🙂
Hi Hunter. are you “crushing” on someone? 😉
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I’ve been thinking, regarding BC’s “resignation letter”: Ya think Cindy wrote that letter to Mark NeJame without Brad’s knowledge? I think so, and he was probably blindsided by Mark “getting back” to Cindy via him.
And I think when he mentions that something was not “verified”, it means he had NO freakin’ idea that he was going to be mentioned in the motion. Jose could not extend him that courtesy???? Well, that is JMO.
You can only be blindsided (slammed) so much before you just need to say eff u.
4:15 press conf, wesh2 news with defense team
Hunter, your making me jealous flirting with Mr. Sheaffer, he is a “cutie,” & I appreciate all he contributes on KC’s case, helping us wade through the Legal Facts. THANKS!
LindaNewYork, I think it is VERY plausible that CA just “hauled off & wrote her letter to NeJames,” after all, CA does anything/everything she wants, with “no regard for the Attorney that has graciously negotiated deals for profit for them,” oh I forgot, it was part of their “entitlement!” Everybody “owes the Anthony’s,” in their minds.
OFF TOPIC: If anyone is following Misty Croslin/Haleigh’s case, Misty plead NO CONTEST to drug charges, she now faces 25 yrs. upwards. http://www.wftv.com/news/24647282/detail.html
NeJames said:
“They never even bothered calling him. They never even bothered checking in with him. If they did and they had done their homework properly and they’d done their due diligence, which they should have done, they would know there’s absolutely no truth in the fact that any consideration was giving whatsoever for Mr. Conway coming in on behalf of his clients coming in to look at those documents,” NeJame said last week.
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2010/august/137701/George-and-Cindy-Anthony%E2%80%99s-lawyer-quits
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All very good comments & predictions, I too agree Judge P has probably had a “gut full of Dumb/Dumber, (Baez/Mason,) I bet Judge S is laughing his butt off at the incompetence of Baez especially, & Conway gets his freedom back. Although the ANT’s might need a lawyer, WHY do they assume they deserve an Attorney Pro Bono to negotiate Media Deals for profit when they have NO intentions of paying for an Attorney like most people have to do. WHY would anyone become involved with that “nut job family,” to watch them lie repeatedly& that only “angers the public,” after all, a little girl was murdered, someone needs to remind them.
Linda, Art, nah. Not crushin’. 🙂 He’s just cute – and there’s a whole lot of wisdom behind those eyes.
As for what help I am, I wouldn’t know about that Art! I know more having been here, than I did before I came!
Hunter, I agree, great ideas/opinions/resources shared by those of us wanting Justice for Caylee!
jmo, of all the attorney’s etc, that have participated in Caylee’s case, I only respect NeJames/Conway & most certainly the Court. Baez, being so inexperienced, seems to have & continues to make so many mistakes, I hope Judge P really rips him a new one this time.
I keep waiting for LK Baden to “bail from the case,” because we haven’t heard anything from her. She is probably “praying that the Defense will beg for a Plea of LWOP, so she doesn’t have to be bothered with the Circus, jmo.”
LK Baden is no doubt totally exhausted and ready to quit. Can’t blame her. This case is like waiting in childbirth that never delivers. Do the Anthonys have to maintain a lawyer?
Or was Conway there because he wanted to be. Do you think Cindy and George will
seal the deal on themselves without guidance or think another one will step in for free?
I think the Anthony’s (Cindy) need a babysitter, not an attorney…I would be very surprised if they are able to get ANY attorney to represent them, even for a parking ticket. They are POISON.
Aww, you’re all so sweet, and especially you, Art. ((o)) And Linda, I agree! A babysitter would be ideal! Then again, and this is just my opinion, but surely some cause fighting attorney will ride in on his white horse and offer to represent the Anthony’s – if for nothing more than the free publicity and instantaneous notoriety. I would even say that within a few days, perhaps one even so well known as Mason will step in to offer his assistance, and surely they need it, for all of the charges for such things as “tampering” that they will be facing, sooner or later, and in particular Cindy.
As for Brad and his reasons for sticking with the Anthony’s for so long? Who knows. He’s a compassionate man – perhaps another of those cause fighter types, who absolutely believes in the cause of the Constitution and effective representation for all. Even them. Yes indeed. They are going to have to replace him, and quickly. JMO anyway.
LindaNewYork, I agree, there are NUT JOBS everywhere that need attorney’s, some are truly innocent of crimes they have been charged with, minor crimes not murder, WHY would anyone want to be “mixed up with the ANT’s & their DRAMA,” most Attorney’s would say, “Hey, what’s in it for me?” Well that would seem difficult to do when the ANT’s are “in it for the money, the propaganda they can spew, & CA still wants to control the Media & Defense,” who needs the Head Aches? The ANT’s will continue to do as they have always done, whatever that want despite Legal advice, so I hope they no longer get any. CA can negotiate HER own TV Appearances for those pathetic SOFT interviews & those “testy licensing fees,” they continue to bilk to live off of. jmo.
Rock, I agree, WHY would LK Baden need the headaches from this ridiculous defense? They continue to “shoot themselves in the foot,” lying in MOTIONS, & continue to look like Dumb/Dumber except with huge grins/smirks! The Defense Team could really use someone like L K Baden to make them “appear” as if they are trying to figure out the defense for KC, but LK Baden has a reputation to uphold, an Author, participates on high profile cases in which she is PAID, & I just can’t see her attaching her reputation to these morons. Perhaps Lyon’s has “clued her in.” Is she still on this case? I haven’t seen a “notice of withdrawal,” but I have a feeling it won’t be long, then, Baez will have to find someone else willing to get involved in this disconnected mess he has made of KC’s defense.
Rock,
Call me thick as stone, but it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if either Baden or Lyon ended up back at the table, realizing the lost cause this is without one or the other of them – and in particular Lyon.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/08/casey-anthony-jose-baez-complains-about-brad-conway-sideshow.html
“I’m not necessarily concerned with the sideshows, and I think that’s possibly the best way you can describe this overall incident,” Baez said at a news conference this afternoon.
SO, #1 Baez is finally admitting this is a circus, with him as head clown and #2 HE is the KING of side shows..
His comment regarding Brad Conway (an all his comments and motions regarding Mark NeJame is a slap in the face to all attorney’s who DO have integrity.
I will take great pleasure in their client being found guilty. And the way Baez and Cheney behave, I am sure they will have no problem sleeping when Casey is exucuted.
DUMB & DUMBER HOLD NEWS CONFERENCE!
http://www.wftv.com/video/24651478/index.html
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Baez said he was too busy to be “tied up with the Sideshow of B Conway!” LMAO! DUH-fense! You are the “sideshow!” Baez is whining, he voice is NOT confident, he is not smirking, he seems upset. Whining about Conway choosing National Forum to announce he “no longer represent the Anthony’s.” WHAT AN IDIOT! It was those “pesky LIES Baez put in a MOTION about Conway!”
DUMBER chose to WRITE his comment & read it, guess he doesn’t trust his own mind! He basically READ the previous ruling of Judge Perry as to the “criteria” for the Defense to look at 4,000 names.
These two idiots, imo, continue to make FOOLS of themselves, WHY would they call this news conference to criticize B Conway. HMMMMMMMM! Seems like the Defense has lost another round with M NeJames!
http://www.wftv.com/video/24651478/index.html
AND while reading somewhere, maybe Valhall Mason and Cheney said they are able to look at records, tab, etc. and a reporter asked “weren’t you able to do that ALREADY”.
Seems to me that in the end, they got what they wanted, OR they are just geeting what has already been offered. Perhaps the Judge just told them to cut the crap and look thhrough all the boxes already. They complained nothing is marked/in unmarked boxes, not in any order…Well, maybe that is how TES keeps their files. Too freakin’ bad. I am sure TES never had to reveal the names of their volunteer searchers. Most families are GRATEFUL to TES.
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Rock very funny about the childbirth thing. LOL!
Friend’s of mine live about an hour away from Orlando. Maybe I will fly down for a visit sometime in May 2011…hehe
Baez is claiming “he is trying to save a human life,” LOL! KC could have been saved, KC with “competent representation from legal counsel” could have done more than save her life according to M NeJames, IF KC had been honest in the beginning, she might have been looking at 10-15 yrs, BUT, she had a 3 yr. attorney on training wheels that is “serving her up for the Death Penalty!”
imo, NOTHING Changed today EXCEPT the Defense has the “same deal as they had before!” You better believe that NeJames pointed out that it took over 8 months for the Defense to be “bothered with those 4,000 names, & only showed up when NeJames made them look like idiots in Court pointing it out!
Linda, looks to me like Dumb/Dumber were given as “a$$ chewing today,” they accomplished nothing but to hold a news Conference in which they look “beaten down,” they admitted to K Belich basically nothing had changed & were whining about B Conway NOT calling them. Screw the Defense, B Conway has every right to access the National Media to “defend his reputation,” just as Baez has “enjoyed yachting before interviews w/Geraldo & spewing propaganda, etc. This whole defense & the Anthony’s have “really screwed KC, will they ever act in her best interest?!” They need to get “over themselves,” the Anthony’s lost “one of the good guys today, I would think the voice of reason.”
LindaNewYork, I am appalled at Baez’s criticism of B Conway defending his good name on National TV today! Idiot! Nincompoop! KUDOS to B Conway for standing up for himself, enjoying the trip to New York without the Anthony’s, the Defense needs to take a deep breathe, get a grip, Conway will do WHATEVER he wants! (Linda, try to make contact & meet for drinks w/ Conway, you could do the interview!)
OK art tart. Someday, when Bees comes to NY we are going out for coffe…and drinks with you in Florida would be just great! I’m not kidding. We could text eachother while having drinks…LOL! (Ya know, coz of all the “typing” we do here-haha-Ok, NOT so funny? sorry…)
Whining that Conway dod not call them? HA-Did they call him to say they were throwing is name arount in last weeks motion? I am sure they did not. Arrogant jerks. (I would like to use stronger language…but….I mean, “jerks” just does not cut it!)
Where is the video with Kathi B.?
I hope they feel as beat down as they look.
Oh, found it…
I am watching now…SIDEHSOW. What nerve…
This is what I am hearing….wah, wah, blah, blah, blah, wah, blah, waaaaaaaaaaa
Nothing changed re them looking at the TES records. All these motions so tey can bring a pen??? What a-holes!
OK. I think I have had enough…
(OK, one more:…..waaaaaaa, Brad didn’t call me….)
I’m so grateful that Judge Perry is on board. Can you imagine Strickland with the patiernce of a saint dealing with all of this? We wouldn’t see justice until 2030.
Surely Judge Perry can see how utterly hopeless it is to just tap Baez on the back of his hand and mildly admonish him. He is incorrigible. He should have been “corrected” two years ago. But he’s been humoured for the most part and now look at him. The leniency has only gone to his fat head and made him behave even more shabbily. And as far as I know Perry hasn’t asked the murderess if she is happy with her defense. Maybe it only needed to be asked once, in which case it was asked by Strickland long ago.
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So . . . but . . I don’t . . what’s the difference? What happened today between the comedy troupe and Judge Perry?
I didn’t see your comment Linda. Isn’t that crazy? What in the ____?
LindaNewYork, K Belich is at the end of the Video I listed above for the News Conference, she was asking Dumb/Dumber exactly “what changed today?” You can recognize her voice but you don’t see her. I certainly hope Mr. Sheaffer does an “interview w/Belich asking him questions” on this “sideshow that the Defense has created.” Seems I can’t tell anything that transpired EXCEPT the Defense can’t LEAK the names to the public/Media & they will still be supervised by a Magistrate, same ole deal they had before, the Defense is “REALLY going to have to do some work for FREE!” Baez, imo, wants the names/addresses/phone #’s to put someone making minimum wage on it “cold calling, hoping to contact a Nut” like Laura Buchanan, he & Mason DON’T WANT to actually do any work. jmo!
Baez is “Whining & Complaining in Motions, whined about NeJames, whined about B Conway, whined that NeJames was going to write a book,” I’m no lawyer but I don’t think those things are “against the law, or, that a MOTION is appropriate when you just want to “whine, piss & moan, your just too stupid to understand!” jmo.
Oh, and could Bozo possibly be anymore smug sitting there all puffed up with his PeeWee Herman bloat on? There’s something just so !!! about him. Did you see when Kathi B. politely asks for an explanation after some bit of gobbely-goop that needed explaning and the rude bast*rd is like, “Wake up! You’re missing a press concert.” GAH!!!! He really thinks he’s quite the wit with all his snappy comebacks. PPPPFFFFFTTT!!!!! He’s a flake!
But art. He’s still not allowed to pull any names that were not in the immediate area, right? That’s how I remember it. I think.
BEES KNEES, imo, a major Butt Chewin from Judge P to the Defense. In the News Conference, Dumb/Dumber looked pretty beaten down, Baez continued to whine, seems B Conway has had the last laugh at those two idiots today! What nerve Baez had to say that he didn’t think “National News Outlet was appropriate for B Conway!” Screw Baez, if he remotely knew what was “appropriate,” he would have exited this case long ago, wouldn’t have wasted KC’s money on his own salary when he brought her case nothing but inexperience & ineptitude. I can’t stand to listen to him when he opens his mouth! Bet Judge P took him down to his knees, seems “all the enthusiasm is gone for KC’s defense team,” I bet they beg for a Plea, they don’t seem to have enough sense to develop a defense, all this “hoop la” continues to waste tax payer’s dollars, seems everybody gets it but them..
Linda, Bees, does this mean they have access to all four boxes?
Some of the funniest lines I’ve heard to date = Bozo says, “I’m not necessarily concerned with the sideshows.” HA HA HA!!! And if you think that’s funny, wait till you hear this = “he is trying to save a human life.” What a card! All he needs now is a big bottle of seltzer and a unicycle.
The way I remember it, they could look at all four boxes but only flag the searchers that were in the immediate area. Am I remembering this right?
Oh, I can just see it now – countless tabs, endless notations, a mountain of motions, delay after delay while interviews are conducted, investigations get underway, all hoping to find that one TES volunteer who would love his/her own five minutes of fame.
It’s all they’ve got. Pathetic.
Because if they were so damned interested in those files why haven’t they looked at them before this? What the hell is their strategy? It must be that they have none. They waste time and file motions and cry, cry, cry. Nine more months to go. Can’t put it off forever. Tick tock . . .
Bees, this is the motion Baez filed. This is what it says on page 2, paragraph 2:
“The defense has consistently sought to try to discover the evidence of who may have searched the area and could provide evidence as to what they found, or did not find. the defense has at no time suggested that Texas Equusearch should be expected to maintain complete control and records of who was or was not in the area. By their own assertions they claim to have had approximately 4,000 people searching various areas of Central Florida. What we do know, however, is that there are people who were “signed on” with Equusearch and did searches in accordance with their logs and records, but then also, on their own, or in unrecorded efforts, searched other areas. This is evidenced by the positions taken by witnesses Joe Jordan and Laura Buchanan.”
From this motion I understand Baez to mean that he wants to go through all of the records, without regard to which areas each volunteer was assigned to, making all volunteers subject to questioning as to whether they were in the area where Caylee was found. ???
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24581279/detail.html
Hunter, you are correct, Baez wants to VET all searchers, no matter how close of proximity they were to the “remains site.” Baez/Mason wanted to vet searchers 8 miles away, imo, they are simply looking for anyone with a “criminal record, a little nutty, etc.” to point & blame like they have “unsuccessfully done with Kronk & Jesse Grund. NeJames’ has argued that there were (I don’t remember, maybe 30 or so) of searcher’s, (volunteers) that were actually in the area of the “remains,” but of course, that wasn’t acceptable to Baez, it doesn’t suit his agenda of “blame.”
Baez did whine that the boxes were “not in order.” The deal is, T Miller’s wife probably worked the office, filed the paperwork but she has cancer.” T Miller is operates on donations, seems Baez just doesn’t want to do “any real work,” imo.
BEES KNEES, Baez was humiliated in court by NeJames pointing out how outrageous it was that Baez/Mason NEVER even made a trip over to examine the information OR Baez/Mason “would have NEVER gone over.” NeJames is going to show Dumb/Dumber for who they are in Court & he did so. They showed up, stayed 2 hours & left. imo, they are TOO LAZY to do any real work, they just want all information copied so they can put a “minimum wage person” going through documents. Just more whining. LOL!
Thanks, Art, now tell me, did Judge Perry grant him permission to go through all 4 boxes, containing the information on all 4000 plus volunteers? I thought there was some expectation of privacy issue (per Strickland) that would prevent Baez from accessing the records of those who were known not to have been assigned to the area. Is this correct? If so, did Judge Perry overturn Judge Strickland’s ruling?
Oh, thanks. I’m sorry to hear that. But surely the Judge can see their intent? It’s criminal really.
How many times has he been told to go and look at the documents? His strategy is completely transparent. Just desperate to find some poor soul with a shady past to throw into the mix. But I think what I hate most about the clown is he is constantly trying to make something out of how persecuted his client is. She’s a victim. Florida wants to “kill his client.” And how persecuted he is. He’s a victim. Pity party all the time. It is so incredible worn-out at this point I want somebody to punch him in the face the very next time he says it.
Bees, might it be because Baez felt it would be a waste of his time to be so limited to the records of a mere 30 volunteers? He’s such a friggin’ nightmare! He’s fishing for a darned needle in a haystack, and I have to tell you that not all who are compassionate about kids, and who volunteer for these searches are upstanding, trustworthy citizens! He may find that one in 4,000 who has a bone to pick or an axe to grind, like that twit volunteer who got all tangled up with Misty Crosslin! NeJames has got to stop this absolute madness, or Baez well might find that one, who was no where near where Caylee was abandoned, but who will be 1 enough to create a reasonable doubt! I so hope and pray not, but there is nothing in all the earth that could ever convince me that Baez isn’t as crooked an attorney as ever there was!
Bees – it must have been mental telepathy, huh?
Ugh. Forgive me all of you wonderful, cause fighting and defending attorneys who strive always toward true justice, be you on the side of the defense or the prosecution, and who are the vast majority of all attorneys, among whom Baez, for all of his whining and sniveling, is not! He even went so far as to lie to the judge, that ‘s how brazen he is, and I hope when all of this is over he will be absolutely disbarred!
Wow…I haven’t been on here in a couple of days and it looks like I’ve missed a lot! Wonder who C&G are going to hire now?
Hi, Mixologist! How are you, and what do you make of Conway’s departure?
Hunter I just don’t know for sure about all 4 boxes. T Miller has participated in searches for Haleigh, Jennifer Kesse, Caylee, etc. so I would think there would be a box of searches for the State of Fla. & information pertaining to each case. I seem to remember the Volunteer who was “observing Mason/Baez’s” inspection of two boxes & explained that 2 of the boxes were “office information” for TES. It hasn’t been made clear whether Baez will be “privy to those boxes & the Volunteer didn’t know if they had permission to go through the boxes, so I would assume, that the Defense is able to go through those boxes.” It may well have been possible IF NeJames had been there that day, he would have allowed them to go through the boxes, but until today, Baez was going to continue to whine, NOW, perhaps he will shut the F up, he certainly wasn’t happy today, NeJames, imo, told Judge P just exactly what Dumb/Dumber have been up to. The defense promised to quit whining “that they were mistreated.” LOL!
Hi Hunter! IMO, Conway did what he should have done a long time ago. He FINALLY realized after the Anthony’s latest media tour that he’s dealing with nutcases!
I hope bozo got the spanking he deserved. I’m tired of seeing that smirk, maybe it will vanish now!
I also think someone should file a complaint on bozo with the Florida Bar, because he is up to his eyeballs in unethical bullshit and lies. He deserves to lose his license to practice law.
mixologist74, I certainly agree with both of your statements. Other Olrando Attorney’s seem to think Baez is incompetent & many have said so in interviews, with even Mason saying in his interview, before he joined the team, that Baez/Anthony’s had no creditability. Since Baez is so “quick to point out this is a DP case, WHEN is someone going to report him, yet again for incompetence, & what can Judge P do about Baez?”
What I still don’t understand is why Cheney Mason is on this case to begin with, especially after he has said to the press that Casey is guilty, she should plea, and LWOP is what she would get. I wish bozo would get the big stick out of his ass, and stop acting so pompous and arrogant. His ship is sinking!
Art, Mix, I don’t suppose Baez is ever going to stop whining. NeJame is forever kicking his butt! 🙂
As for Conway, I’ve but a few words to say to him, perchance he reads here, and having heard him say that he will continue to support the Anthony’s:
Brad! Come into the light!
On that note, I’m off. Long day tomorrow. Thanks all for enlightening me as you do. We’ll see justice for Caylee. I have no doubt.
Sleep well.
Hunter
My take on the Jokin Jose’ presser this afternoon is, Judge Perry finally lowered the boom on this whole TES issue, the one thing that caught my attention was Jose’ said “ all the motions are now a moot point”
So His Honor prob said look, I have had it with this mess, you have been told to go look at the doc’s, you have been told how you are to do this, so get off your lazy cry baby ass and go do your search and stop clogging up my desk with your badly written, insincere motions.
What I would have given to have been a fly on that wall today, I would love to hear Mark NeJames comments on the events.
At this point we now have two members of the bar accusing Jokin Jose’ of dishonesty, we also have him bold faced lying to a Judge in not only his written motions, but in the court room giving a sworn statement to the setting Judge.
This is behavior that should not go un-noticed or un-punished by the Florida bar, both Conway & NeJame should file complaints and ask for sanctions.
As should any other member in good standing of the bar.
Jokin Jose’ is making a mockery of the profession of defense attorneys, is it any wonder people think it is filled with crooks?
If Florida attorneys do not see his actions as low and demeaning then I am extremely saddened and ashamed of a profession I have always held in high esteem.
Judy, Art, thank you for setting my mind at ease, here.
This is all so troubling to me. It’s been so troubling, from the very beginning, with Team Baez running all over the country touting Casey’s innocense, when they can’t possibly know that she didn’t kill Caylee. Indeed it’s as though they are attempting, themselves, to so well taint a potential jury pool, as well as to have the matter heard in the court of public opinion, which they are forever trying to control, right along with the Anthony’s, and I find it quite sickening! If I (in my lowly opinions and limited knowledge of the law) am a reflection of the population in FL who may be called to sit on the jury, then Casey’s going down, right along with Mama and Papa and poor bumbling Baez, as well! But of course, with my attitude I’d be dismissed in two minutes!
Nevertheless, I’ve seen the struggles of DP qualified Public Defenders who pull at their hair and drag their hands over their tired, weary faces, and scream at their poor paralegals, while wondering if they’re doing the right thing by fighting for the very lives of their accused “assignments” when guilt was without question, and a murder quite heinous, yet they shake off the weariness in their absolute belief in a system that stands on the principles and precepts of the Constitution that guarantees an accused fair and effective representation if so that no injustice might ever be served, yet I wonder if Baez has any respect for such things at all.
I’ve seen DP qualified PDs not only scramble and plead but juggle with a defense budgets limited to some $300,000 for an entire defense, to include the testimonies of expert witnesses, when guilt/innocence wasn’t written in stone. Every dime mattered, but to Baez and crew? They had that much and more that seems to have been pittered away, accomplishing next to nothing at all, and so that now the burden rests on the State of Florida, and will run into the millions, to be sure, and let’s not even mention the overall disrespect for the Court that Baez displays on a near daily basis! Daring to lie to the Court, and in court filings? My God, the audacity is astounding, and all the more so the fact that Perry has to so often instruct Baez on matters of law from the bench! Granted, one doesn’t learn how to practice, in my humble opinion, nor even the law but in practice, but surely he should know more than it is that he does to have taken on Casey!
But back to his many bumblings, such as pittering away more than a quarter of a million dollars and lying, and coniviving, and his continuing touting and parading, I am amazed that the BAR hasn’t acted on its own! Perhaps Perry will file a complaint, and something will be done, so once and for all, for it just seems obvious to me that Baez, unlike the vast majority, seems to be in this for none but himself, and not even for Casey! Most certainly he’s not in it for justice for Caylee!
My utmost apologies for all of my senseless blubberings, people! I just had to get that off my chest, or stew about it all day long.
Scowling,
Hunter
Scowling! Love it.
Wish I didn’t close down last night. Would have loved to chat with all you great people!
EXCELLENT INTERVIEW WITH TIM MILLER ON KC’s CASE, THE ANT’S, & B CONWAY. HE IS DESCRIBING PROPERTY OF THE “REMAINS SIGHT!” HE SAID THE ANTHONY’s HAVE MADE THIS CASE ABOUT THEM, NOT CAYLEE, & THAT HE KNEW HOURS AFTER ARRIVING THAT KC MURDERED CAYLEE. MILLER CALLED THE ANTHONY’s LIAR’S SINCE THE BEGINNING & KC AN IDIOT.
Tim Miller doesn’t “hold back with information,” he called Baez a “nobody!” TM commemnts of B Conway several times. TM repeatedly called Baez/Mason a Circus. Tim is just “sick to death of the Anthony’s! TES said they spent $108,000.00 on the search for Caylee, when the Anthony Family WASTED TES MONEY that could have been used for “real missing children.”
Tim Miller said Conway had “had enough & has washed his hands of the Anthony’s,” BUT, imo, Miller probably wasn’t supposed to share that. Just as most of us thought! Tim Miller is still furious about this case as he points out several times, this case is about CAYLEE, not about the Anthony’s! I agree!
http://www.39online.com/videobeta/?watchId=5010d504-7650-4ce6-be86-2403c52e74c7
Is it me, or have the usual and the very few defense hacks been awfully quiet the last couple of days?
Likely waiting for the talking points to be released.
Hunter, excellent comment & thanks for sharing your thoughts. Yes, Public Defender’s definitely have a challenge, but, Hornsby said the State of Fla. has some of the very “best DP Qualified Public Defender’s anywhere.” I can’t believe that KC could be any “worse off” than she apparently is, at what point is the Defense going to “buckle down & work on her case,” Mr. Sheaffer ask this question in an interview a year ago. The Defense has accomplished WHAT? imo, a pile of failed MOTIONS, blown through $325,000.00 as you pointed out, continue to appear inept, all the while Baez keeps KC from “all outside contact, imo, to keep anyone from telling KC exactly how inept her defense team is.”
judypc, I agree with your comment, “what is it going to take for someone to file a complaint?” If R Pleasa ONLY lived in Fla., maybe he would step forward & file a complaint as he seems like the only one with common sense in KC’s family, it certianly wouldn’t be for KC, but because it is the right thing to do. I hope, there isn’t another attorney to take the case of the Anthony’s! WHY do they need an attorney except to negotiate financial deals for soft interviews to spew propaganda?
That’s exactly why they need an attorney. They can’t negotiate the deals themselves because they don’t understand “legalese”. LOL
art tart, THANKS for thelink to that interview with Tim Miller.
KUDOS to Mr. Miller for telling it like it is.
And I loved hearing the stroy about George’s friend from Ohio and that George made Casey come out of the bedroom, showed her a map and put the pen down and said “show them where to look..”
Of course he will say that never happened. HAHA This interview has made me want to got to Florida and punch those two right in the face….
Those pathetic excuses for human beings know exactly who murdered Caylee. Casey Anthony.
Man up, George. Man UP!
mixologist74, LOL! I wish they would just SHUT UP & get jobs or OMG! What if they got a reality show? CA/GA have caused so much trouble in KC’s case, wonder if Baez whines to KC about it? Some have shared that CA/GA are “thick as thieves w/Baez,” but, imo, they are only tolerated, seems CA is discredited except for the 911 call. Gas Can George said in the “extended interview w/Kerry Sanders,” that “some days they thinkBaez is good & some days not.”
Morning RS. I was just reading that the DUH-fense has until 8-25-10 to put their butt in high gear & comb through 4,000 names! I hope Judge P holds to that date, seems Baez has cancelled Depo after Depo which continue to pile up, & now it seems Judge P is going to force Dumb/Dumber to do some real work with those 4,000 names! HA! HA! HA! I bet IF Dumb/Dumber come up with names NOT in the Search area, they will have to “justify WHY” if they searcher was 8 miles away, he would have something to contribute. jmo, we will see.
LindaNewYork, I agree, I LOVE T MILLER! He is furious with the Anthony’s still, just think! He was lured to Orlando under the pretense that the family was “begging for Caylee to be found,” arrives, goes to ANT Hill to find the family had already started circling the wagons, LEE has informed the whole Ant Hill NOT to take poly’s because that would only confirm they were lying.
LOL! Do you think Baez/Mason will be able to get through 4,000 names by 8-25-10? jmo, Judge P should have said it needed to be videoed because now we know Baez is a “confirmed liar!” WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, the toll it has taken on Baez, seems it all blew up in his face, KARMA!
Quote, “Is it me, or have the usual and the very few defense hacks been awfully quiet the last couple of days?
Likely waiting for the talking points to be released”.
LOL I agree. They’re probably waiting for new orders on how to proceed.
KC’s S C U M B A G Attorney didn’t pay some of KC’s bills from her “Check Fraud Trial,” imo, this is only the first to get in line with creditor’s! YEP! Baez kept ALL KC’s money for himself, then when he couldn’t squeeze another dime, he whined KC was indigent! I hope Baez is SUED for this money also as Baez represented KC! Baez knew exactly how much money KC had, & didn’t have. jmo.
http://www.wesh.com/news/24659293/detail.html
What a dumbass! I sincerely hope there is some kind of repercussion for this crap bozo has pulled.
mixologist74, does it seem to you that this is “really Baez’s bill” as he had ALL of KC’s money & hired on her behalf, through his firm?
Will this now lead to another “bankruptcy for Baez?” Some of his “bills for the JAC are not being paid due to his own ineptitude,” for around $450.00 for a Court Recorder that they didn’t approve of, she too will probably SUE Baez personally. imo, I bet Baez owes a “host of innocent people” in KC’s case, I still wonder how he think’s this will bring him fame & fortune! LOL! I can’t see how Baez can profit from Caylee’s murder as WHO would believe anything he or the Anthony’s say? I wouldn’t spit on his “brains if they were on fire,” he continues to lie, a sad example of an attorney, imo.
The Licensing Board for the STATE of Fla. said:
“His overall behavior, they wrote, showed “a total lack of respect for the rights of others and a total lack of respect for the legal system, which is absolutely inconsistent with the character and fitness qualities required of those seeking to be afforded the highest position of trust and confidence recognized by our system of law.”
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Seems Baez has resorted to his “old behaviors,” the one’s that prevented him from having a license to practice law for 8 yrs., in addition he had a bankruptcy, didn’t pay child support for one child for $500.00 per month, rented a Miatia, had countless suits against him for “not paying his damn bills!” Baez’s continued financial irresponsibility has continued, buying a $670,000.00 house when out of Law school 2 years which is in foreclosure, handling DUI’s & one murder case in which the guy murdered his child also, of course he lost it. Wonder what his plan was to pay for that house with not much of a practice & how he even got the loan is surprising!
Will M NeJames be the one to “file Complaints” with the Fla. Board” against Baez? I bet he does, an interview over a year ago NeJames said in an interview that he was considering it as Todd Black contacted NeJames “misrepresenting who he was & exactly what he was doing!” I am sure the Board is reading with great interest about the nincompoop that they had “reservations about.” Seems he has “just resorted to who he was & still is,” someone bordering on the lines of being “ethical!” jmo
Kudos’s to Tim Miller and the Media outlet that finally allowed someone to speak out and tell the truth about the Anthony’s & Jokin Jose’.
I listened with glee as Tim Miller called them what they really are liars and crooks.
How refreshing to at long last have a media outlet that was not afraid of this clan of thieves, con artist, liars, child abusers, and murders.
Maybe now some others will follow with something worth while, and stop pandering to this bunch.
Sure as hell was more entertaining than the Today show with it’s light weight excuse for a show with the Grandliars.
BLESS YOU TIM MILLER & 39 !!!!!
Amen, Judy
Brad Conway found a way out…And Baez is upset because lil’Brad wouldn’t play ball. All Conway had to do was lie, just a little bit, and Baez would have won a motion…Come on Brad…You can’t take one for Team Casey? What’s one more lie, come on!!! It’s for lil’Casey!!!
Is it because George and Cindy aren’t pushing you around in your chair since the Blood Cruise and the $3000.00 they paid you? That had to be hard on Cindy to have to “pay for services”. But you found your out, and you took it. It’s the best move you have made in a long time.
I wonder how long it will be before Cindy starts calling you a “TROLL”??
Also, Baez can now start filing worthless motions on you…Really Mr. Conway, you didn’t think that by quitting the Anthony’s and Company would leave you alone, did you? Expect motion after motion to be filed…It’s the Baez way.
Doug, well said. Yep! Conway is “a free bird,” I bet he is so happy to not have to listen to CA’s daily rant’s, good for him! $3,000.00 for two years work really sucks, the Anthony’s appear to me to be people that suck every bit of the oxygen out of a room leaving everyone else gasping for air.
It would seem if the Ant’s don’t unearth another sucker to participate as their Attorney to negotiate the soft interviews, he will continue to badger the snot out of “little brad.” IF they find someone, then they will resort to “speaking ill of Brad, just like they did NeJames, just like they do to everyone that call’s them out for the Scam Artist they are.”
judypc, good comment also!
Good discussions you guys! I can only imagine how it feels to be a taxpayer in Florida right now and the months/years to come!! Who should they direct their frustration and anger at? You can’t (and maybe shouldn’t) send your concerns directly to the Judge, so then, where? I think bloggers are helping in at least one way ~ keeping the focus on Baez and his shady activities.
BEES KNEES, I read an article at Humbleopinion that she wrote. LOL! She said CA needed to write a HELP WANTED ADD & should read something like this, I can’t remember eaxactly but this is close!
1. Family needs attorney pro bono.
2. Family lies, doesn’t believe Grand daughter was murdered yet held a memorial.
3. Family needs attorney to negotiate media deals.
4. The mom doesn’t know who the dead person is she wears in jewelery but as a nurse, questions DNA/forensics, never worry, she has people looking into it. (LOL! wonder if it’s D Casey?)
Then humble suggested Jamie Whinethraub. KUDOS! Yep, the bleeding heart for the Anthony’s, but wait! She’s not free! LOL!
WOW – lots happening back home! Good for Brad for quitting – what would be great is if he joined Nejame with representing Tim Miller. I was one of the 4,000 searchers and if they don’t contact me, I just might have to contact them and tell them what I saw.
I saw snakes, big ass spiders, alligators, many varities of bugs, lots of garbage, bones and teeth. Lots of bones, but none human as CSI was only a call away. We found bones of turkeys, dogs (teeth too) and cats. What I did find was many, many caring people who came from all over to help search for this child. No matter how hot and humid it was or how thick the brush was or how hight the grass was, they never complained.
Guess what we didn’t find – Caylee Marie Anthony. Why you might ask, cuz evein in Novermber the area she was thrown in WAS STILL UNDER WATER and we couldn’t search it. The 1st search resulted in a damaged ATV, because of the depth of water in that area. Tim Miller called off the search for that area because he was afraid of pushing any evidence that might be there into the muck and mud. NO I was not there, but was at the command center when the decision was made.
Tropical Storm Faye didn’t have the winds to became a hurricane but she dumped TONS of rain throughout Central Fl. In addition, we had other storms come through after her. Our hurricane season is 6/1 to 11/30 and in most days we get a rain storm daily between 3pm and 5pm. You can set your watch to it.
I hope you are all doing well. I ‘read’ where you are keeping the fight for justice for Caylee Marie, going – WTG!
OT – this tired Nana is off to lala land and looking forward to coming home next week. Babies big and little are doing wonderful. Take Care and Stay Safe – Morgan
To all the people on the Team Casey Blog(s) (there are may ONE or two), who are questioning the character and motives of Tim Miller:
Click to access 200412PointofLightAwardRelease.pdf
Law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, have credited TES with having perhaps
the highest ‘find rate ’ (about 70% -with nearly 85% of these found alive) of any search
and rescue organization in our nation.
In October of 2002, having been invited by The White House, Tim Miller participated in
‘The White House Conference on Missing, Exploited, and Runaway Children’-conferring
with President George W. Bush about Texas EquuSearch ’s accomplishments.
YET, you do not question the ethics of ANY of the “players” on the Anthony Team. And in fact, cheer the unethical, unscrupulous, defense team. Shame on you. The bunch of you…
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God Bless you Morgan for caring more about finding Caylee Anthony than her Grandparents, and I use that word loosley to describe Caylees’ Mother’s parents. YOU, my mother, and others here and everywhere are what a grandparent should be, not them.
G’nite all!
Art, I saw the Job ad. It was hilarious. And true!!!
If this has already been posted, I’m sorry. I just finished watching the Tim Miller interview. It was refreshing to hear someone tell the truth, wasn’t it? That is just how seldom we hear it in this case. Sad.
To send Tim an email to tell him how wonderful he is:
http://texasequusearch.org/contact-tes/
To donate money to TES (even just $5 – $10 would be great):
http://tinyurl.com/2caaw7h
Thank you sleepy Morgan (for helping to find Caylee). Sweet dreams!
Morgan, thank you from the bottom of my heart, all of us that love & are demanding JUSTICE for little Caylee, appreciate the physical work of those that actually physically looked for that sweet child. I live in Louisiana, too far to have made the trip, but I, like everyone else, appreciate what a “labor of love” for the precious child, that not even the Grand Parent’s looked for nor demanded Justice for. Enjoy your last week, be safe.
Thanks LindaNewYork for the link, & thanks BEES KNEES for the link also for Tim’s to donate. I said earlier today I was going to donate & I will. We can’t help Caylee now, but any monies donated will help in the next search for a missing loved one. God Bless T Miller!
BEES KNEES said, on August 16, 2010 at 7:07 pm Some of the funniest lines I’ve heard to date = Bozo says, “I’m not necessarily concerned with the sideshows.” HA HA HA!!! And if you think that’s funny, wait till you hear this = “he is trying to save a human life.” What a card! All he needs now is a big bottle of seltzer and a unicycle.
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And the big red nose which squeeks when you squeeze it.
Morgan, from the bottom of my heart to the depths of my soul, thank you for participating in the search for “our” Caylee. Indeed she is “our” child now. I won’t elaborate on that; but surely you all know my reasons for saying it.
All that’s being said about Tim now, by those ridiculous few, beyond irks me. There’s no finer man than Tim, who does what he does having suffered such a loss, while even yet struggling to overcome his own sorrow. We, as a State, and even as a nation, are so deeply blessed by his determination to bring something meaningful out of his own tragedy, and all of us should be no less than grateful to him and to all who so dare to venture forth into all that’s unknown, and so well out of our comfort zones, to go in search of a missing, and more often than not, dead little girl, or any other missing person, abandoned in death, for that matter, for everyone is somebody’s child.
Morgan, again, I thank you; as well as I would urge all to not only donate to the cause, to Equusearch, but to encourage Tim to reconsider his stance on never coming back to Florida. We need him. The Anthony’s, the Crosslin’s and the Cummings’ are not representative of us all.
Warmest regards,
Hunter
“It is not in my client’s best interest for her to tell what she knows”. Jose Baez, regarding Casey Anthony.
Thank you Ch 39 for reporting it like it is! TM calls the anthonys the most cold hearted family in the US and vows never to step foot in the St of FL again after having to deal with these ftards in this clip
http://www.39online.com/videobeta/?watchId=5010d504-7650-4ce6-be86-2403c52e74c7
What a shame that bozo and the anthony liars have become the face of the State of Florida……WHERE THE HELL ARE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS allowing this family and a nobody, sleazy lawyer to besmirch the names of the citizens they are bound to represent???
Morgan:
I would be willing to bet out of the 4000 searchers 3,998 of them will tell jokin jose just what you have said, Oh and to go piss up a rope. 👿
Those of you that gave your time, money, and heart to find this baby do not deserve to be hounded by this idiot lawyer and con artist clan of low life’s.
Yes, if you had searched there and found her, you would expect to be in the mix, but those of you that never were near that area should not be subject to his rantings.
You all deserve “Thanks” not a sleeze bag lawyer getting his smarmy paws on your private info.
Hey Maybe all of you should call John Morgan and file a class action suit against the Grandliars for placing you all at risk when they knew Casey had killed her baby girl, and to bar jokin jose’ from getting your info. hummmmmm.
Past to Present Day:
Have we heard anything remotely giving thanks to the Searchers from the Anthony’s?
Listen to the crickets……………. Reading on WebSleuths a fellow blogger initiated a thread that
addresses the Searchers [theoretical hypotheses] holding the Anthony’s accountable, and any area they capitalize be held quasi escrow to be distributed back to “legitimate” charitable organization’s, the top of the list is Tim Miller Equsearch.
What an extreme desperate lateral move for the Defense, if Brad C. resigned bcuz of inaccurate filings, why should a potential jury consider the obvious?
So, can the Defense find another patsy, reasonable doubt perhaps, logically the laws of physics defy the notion.
Team Defense ~ whatcha gonna do when they come for you!!!
Hunter said, on August 18, 2010 at 5:47 am
“It is not in my client’s best interest for her to tell what she knows”. Jose Baez, regarding Casey Anthony.
For once, bozo speaks as though he has common sense!
frankie:
How long have you and I, and others been asking that question now, “WHERE THE HELL ARE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS”?
How on earth can Orlando & State officials allow this band of liar’s, scammers, and baby killers, to run foot loose and fancy free living off tax payer dollars, donations collected through LIES, and now we have to pay for this idiot lawyer and his band of merry men/women.
Guess nothing will be done until a hoard of angry citizens show up in front of the town hall.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5529693#post5529693
Mr. Sheaffer:
Would you give some insight to any legal pleadings, that might result? Wonder if the searchers will ALL retain legal representation?
One thing for sure: business is booming for Fla. legals!
Shakespearean quote in here, anyone?????
kate said, on August 18, 2010 at 9:38 am
Past to Present Day:
Have we heard anything remotely giving thanks to the Searchers from the Anthony’s?
NO and I firmly believe we never will!!!!
RS: Silence is Golden, isn’t it? LOL
Hunter said, on August 18, 2010 at 5:47 am
“It is not in my client’s best interest for her to tell what she knows”. Jose Baez, regarding Casey Anthony.
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Uh, that’s because he KNOWS she is guilty. JMHO
Unethical bastard.
kate:
team dumb azz will be combing over those searchers names not looking for people in that area, they will be looking for someone that maybe had an arrest in their past, they are looking for someone to KRONK.
I bet you, dollars & doughnuts they will be pointing their fingers at someone saying hey look at this person they could be the killer, they joined the search just so they could yada yada yada….
Kate.
This is just my opinion but I would advise any searcher to damn skippy call Mark NeJame.
He is already looking after Tim Miller & TES. and has already got his foot in the door as to protection for the searchers.
Judypc, I totally agree with you. These people who searched did so out of the goodness of their hearts, and don’t deserve to be thrown under the bus by the defense team and it’s bumbling leader. It’s my hope that if some searcher gets the finger pointed toward them, that they can and will sue whoever needs to be sued. This case alone is going to make it difficult to find “good samaritans” to help find the missing, and to me that’s just sad.
Mix:
This will I promise stop many from coming out and joining a search, it may very well be the death of TES.
judypc:
Perhaps a reasonable solution would be to first kill the facts messenger…LOL
Whatever square peg the Defense is trying to fit, reminds me of the Gone With The Wind
analogy…. “It ain’t’ fittin, it just ain’t fittin”.
I hope not. If it all goes down like we think it will, I hope Mark NeJames will represent the person/persons in a lawsuit against bozo and the Ants. I just can’t stand to see Tim Miller’s name dragged through the mud either, when all he did was try and help.
judypc:
Prediction 1. Searchers hire Lawfirm to lodge/file complaint, perhaps Class Action.
The collateral damage is deafening!
Morning, talking2much, (you night owl, lol,) Hunter, frankie, judypc, kate, BEES KNEES, LinkdaNewYork, Mixologist74, guess the last three are having their 2nd cup of Coffee!
Seems we can all agree that those that give their “labor of love to physical searches, those of us that could only pray so hard, or send T Miller a donation for his tireless efforts, we can all agree,” this case has shown us the depth’s of what a family CHOSE to do to keep the facts from coming to light about the Murder of a precious child” & the Searches willing to look for a “Deceased Caylee,” as T Miller sadly predicted in spite of the Interjection of the Grand Parent’s trying to control the Searches & Media.”
I am angered when I read CA letter’s referring to GOD, & in the same breath calling NeJames a troll, I remember how hateful she was to T Miller with her phone rant, the ugly accusations she has hurled at Tim, insulted him calling him a drunk, in it for the $$$$, it, imo, defines the lack of any “moral compass, stability, unconditional love & respect for other’s, the list is endless” of what this family has done to T Miller as well as the Grund’s, & other good people, we say at my house, “good to the bone people.”
I am most angered by the Profit that has been made off Caylee, & hurt that she has been so “abused after death” by the very people claiming to love her, wanting JUSTICE as long as it doesn’t include KC as the murderer. I know I rant about the Anthony’s taking $$$$ from Caylee’s tragedy, but I think it is “unconscionable, hurtful, despicable,” & now, on CA’s “I’VE LOST MY MIND MEDIA BLITZ, CAYLEE’s NOT REALLY DEAD TOUR & KC IS GOING TO WORK IN CAYLEE’S FOUNDATION WHEN SHE GETS OUT OF JAIL” continues to fuel the anger in me at this family, because I will never understand how CA continues to refer to GOD. Where I come from, GOD isn’t a convenience when you are trying to appear to be a Christian, where I come from Christians don’t encompass these miserable attributes. JMO.
I too am angered….by all that these morally bankrupt individuals have foisted on the general public. I am more than angered…I am totally pizzed! I want answers and I want answers from those individuals that put their hand on a Bible and SWORE to uphold the Constitution of both the State of Florida and the USA. I demand they earn their pay and perform the duties they were entrusted with.
Art, you have just laid bare the hearts of us all. Thank you. I’ve no words to say more.
Where I come from, people who are not convicted are not lynched already. Can’t you guys wait a bit with all this moral stuff, till the judge says she is guilty?
Or jury, if that is still possible.
art tart:
Permit me the Devils Advocate, WE the people…clearing throat, Due Process.
Without all the legal mumbo jumbo, and clearly in this particular case the effort[s] to facilitate yet another plausible theory, will be the ultimate demise.
In fact, the case will be case law study, and presumably argued/cited in future cases.
Suspect, what precedents are setting forth will impact change in Florida.
You know one thing invariably rings true for the majority, it all smells bad. In saying that, imagine repsectivley what a Jury will conclude.
Just ignore the talking yellow head.
Mix, I’m going to have to ignore, or say a few things that very well could get me thrown off the board.
Good Day Everyone:
Off to the real world that pays for my recreation time…:)
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Good day, Kate.
Exactly, Hunter. 🙂
There have been made many mistakes in this case, just read JBMission and Zuben, they write awsome stuff about it.
So the quitting of this lawyer of the Anthonies, this has nothing to do with shortage of money?
If the defense is so bad, how on earth will there be a fair trial? Who will make sure of that?
Oh and Hunter: Caylee was Casey’s child, not yours, not any one elses. Get your own drama if you need the attention so bad.
Why do people come here when they are so obviously more content elsewhere?
I have no idea Hunter. Sure wish she’d kick rocks though.
lmao, Mix.
I am very content here, as sometimes there are good things being said here.
Ina said, —- I was tending to some issues …. but … I guess I signed on just in time… yes Ina …. I agree …. it’s a tad premature.
Interestingly, a number of posters here have his or her own blog…. why then, I wonder do some get so fiercely emotional when someone does fall in lock step??
Ohhh there’s Yo Hola…right on cue. Always comes to Ina’s defense. Makes ya wonder, doesn’t it?
wonder what?
kate, I agree. I can’t imagine what the jury will think, especially since it will probably take 2 weeks at least to get through the 911 call, the efforts Detectives/LE/FBI made to locate a Phantom Nanny, a job that didn’t exist, visit a former workplace, a place where ZG never lived. If you watch High Profile Trials, usually the Defense tries to dispute “the evidence by the STATE,” but there is nothing the Defense can do to “dispute all KC’s lies.” Even GA/CA/Lee will admit they NEVER met Zanny Boyfriend after boyfriend, friend after friend, the Defense will score no points. So, for weeks the jury will “digest how the case began, KC’s arrogance & defiance, & little concern for Caylee. The Defense CAN’T dispute the LIES until closing arguments, UNLESS they put KC on the stand, which, isn’t likely.
I continue to say, I will be very surprised if this case is even tried UNLESS KC insist on it, remember, even Mason predicted LWOP if she took a plea. We shall see.
mixologist74 said, on August 18, 2010 at 10:33 am
Just ignore the talking yellow head.
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Well said, IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE! We are interested in your thoughts Hunter.
Yo hola, as you don’t attack me, you MUST have an agenda. It is how their minds work. They don’t. LOL
I just don’t see Casey ever taking the stand. And if she does, it would be nothing but lies anyway.
Imagine, but for Florida’s Freedom of Information Act, and all of the access we’ve had to the evidence, we, the general public, might be left to wonder if there might be another suspect. As it stands all of the evidence we’ve been privileged to hold in our hands, points in but one direction – to but one suspect.
Do you know what I can wait to see and to hear? Tony Lazarro’s testimony. Now there’s a guy who will have one interesting story to tell, of going to Blockbuster with Casey while Caylee lay in the trunk of the car (quite probably) and what movie did they rent? It’s all so sickeningly and painfully obvious, isn’t it?
Well May 2011 is still far away. Maybe the dp is gone by then. Au revoir!
Art, first and foremost I am a child of Almighty God. Secondly, I’m a lady, so I’ll just be keeping my thoughts to myself, if you don’t mind. 🙂
Guess Ina’s got a Mission to attend to.
I’m a lady too, but sometimes people just PISS me off!
mixologist74 said, on August 18, 2010 at 10:33 am
Just ignore the talking yellow head.
🙂
lol!
Ina said, on August 18, 2010 at 10:43 am
There have been made many mistakes in this case, just read JBMission and Zuben, they write awsome stuff about it.
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LOL !!
Mix, Surely neither Ina, nor JB, nor Zub can be as senseless as they appear to be, can they? Might it be that they just so love the attention that they scurry about stirring up the pot? I mean, one would really have to be dumb as dirt to so much as entertain the thought that Kronk, or any one else for that matter, had a hand in this, right?
Some days, there is just nothing to add the all the great comments from great commenters!!!!
Linda, I’m just another schmuck with an attitude and an opinion, and I so well appreciate all I learn here, from all of you.
Hunter, I’m pretty sure you’ve got them pegged. 😉
Hi Linda, Hunter and Mixologist… I come in and read your comments and enjoy them. Ignore those who only want to bring attention to themselves. They do not want to hear the true facts. I live in another country but respect the laws of Florida and their law enforcement. It is discouraging when someone keeps disrupting the good flow of conversation by trying to push their beliefs onto others. Casey deserves the DP for her heinous act and I doubt if she will ever get the lethal injection but you never know when Burdick and Ashton present their case.
Snoopy! It’s about time you showed up! You missed all the fun.
Hunter —- by the way –“schmuck” is a yiddish term for the male member —- in any event… who is Zuben?
LWOP would suit me just fine. Let her live like a caged animal for the rest of her life. Not that such a thing would be any skin off her nose. She’s so in love with herself that she will do quite well with but her Me, Myself, and I.
Hunter said, on August 18, 2010 at 11:25 am
Yes, yes and looks that way!
Hi Snoopy!
Yo, oops! I’m not real sure who Zub is. He/she just posts at JB’s and agrees with a lot of her theories on Casey and the Anthony’s. Their latest tirade is centering on TES and Tim. Just ticks me off to no end.
Hunter~~some people forget how Caylee must have suffered. We are not sure if the duct tape was used in the commisson of the crime to suffocate Caylee. Anyone who is trying to defend Casey apparently do not have much compassion for small children. In their shallow minds, it is okay for a mother to murder a child and throw them away among trash. We do not own our children. They are gifts given to us to nurture and guide until it is time for them to leave the nest. I just don’t understand how some people can defend a killer when the evidence is all there in front of their face.
Linda, I am going to send you an email later. I have to go to my blog and look up your addy. There is something I need to tell you. It is all good!!
Must say …. aren’t you folks lucky…. I’m just here!!!! Anywasy BBL 🙂
OK, Snoopy…
Yo! Where are you going? I’m going too. I want to pay tribute to Haleigh, today. 😦
Snoopy, exactly. Children are a gift. On loan to us from God. And how blessed we to be entrusted with them. I wonder then about the places in the hereafter, for those who would toss them like trash.
Sad. So utterly, sad.
I will catch up to all of you later. Hearts and hugs.
Linda, I am having difficulty finding your last comment at my blog so I can get the addy. Can you go and just make a short comment at my blog, even it is just hello? TIA
sry for the off topic in here
Oh for Pete’s sake again with the SCHMUCK shall we define it for the last time please YO?
The word schmuck has become common in American English meaning a detestable person, or a jerk.
The word also means a stupid or idiotic person.
In these senses, schmuck entered English as a borrowed word from the Yiddish slang for foreskin, (Yiddish: שמאָק, shmok), where it is an obscene term and an insult.
In his famous cultural lexicon, The Joys of Yiddish, Leo Rosten lists the Yiddish schmuck as related to the Slovene word, šmok, meaning “a fool, an innocent, a gullible dolt.”
According to the American Heritage Dictionary, “A clumsy or stupid person; an oaf.”
Source(s):
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/S…
I LOVE THAT WORD and works for so many in the real world and cyber worlds.
judypc, thank you for AGAIN explaining the “extended meaing”!
See you all later.
LOL Yes Linda I was being a SCHMUCK!!
How ever one wishes to define it 😉
Dang it RS….you jinxed us!!! You mention the devil……
I sometimes wonder if people are that incredibly stupid or if it is a deliberate attempt by the defense who cannot defend the indefensible?
I don’t know what will and what will not be allowed at trial. They have the 911 calls in, they have the 31 days in, they have all the lies and obstruction in, they have the inappropriate behavior in, the are establishing the chain of events leading up to the creation of imaginanny, they have at the very least, the discussion of the stench in the vehicle, and they have the fact that casey never ONCE assisted in the search for Caylee. The State can pretty much prove that this unstable young woman who wanted to party, but was straddled with a child she didn’t really want, was in desperate trouble. Her intended love didn’t want a child. Her only means of support, indeed the only home she had, was in jeopardy and she was about to get hit with a brick wall of reality. The will get the death band hair and most likely the forensics of the smell. I’m not sure why they need more.
The defense will counter with ………………………………………………………………. Oh that’s right…..nothing!
Yo Hola! said, on August 18, 2010 at 11:59 am
Must say …. aren’t you folks lucky…. I’m just here!!!! Anywasy BBL
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And will today be the day that you decide to COMMENT ON THE CASE? LOL! Of course your first post of the day was not about the case!
LindaNewYork, I agree, lots of good comments, a nice flow, & it seems to flow more smoothly when those that are here to disrupt are ignored.
judy,judy, judy, I get it! Are there really some that don’t? I bet I know who?
Judypc ….. do you feel better now?
art tart… well, actually, there’s not too much to comment on the case since Conway withdrew ….. did see Beth Karas yesterday on InSession … she indicated that there exists a lot of information that has not been released to the public. So…… what can I say that hasn’t been said already?
Art, forgive me for posting this link, if I’m not supposed to; but, it’s the TES Tribute to Caylee, for those who haven’t seen it, or who aren’t familiar. Though he has an issue with the Anthony’s, he yet honors this precious baby. And so now, I am gone. Much work to do that I haven’t gotten to as yet. Until tomorrow. Thanks everyone for all you do.
I was wondering about one of the thingst Tim Miller said in that interview…something about this case being about the forensics…I have had it in my mind that there is A LOT of circumstatial evidence and felt the case would be won more on that. But it could be that I have not been thinking about the forensics in this case with all the “sideshows”!
As far as Beth Karas and info not released, I wonder by who? The State? The Defense?
Not sure which card the defense will play..SODDI? The Nanny Story? Just try to throw doubt on anything they possibly can? Accident? (Doubt the “accident”. If it were an accident, then why would she be playing with her life…)
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Hi Hunter. Never saw that video.
For Tim Miller and everyone else, EXCEPT, Casey, Cindy, George it is ALL about Caylee. Not them.
Linda, you are absolutely right, all the side shows by the Anthonys and/or the side shows of personal vendettas. You are an enjoyable polite contributor to read here.
It seems that Tim Miller may retire, I think this thought bothers him, but now would be a perfect time, because he has already stated his hurt and anger which may put a damper on
his future handling of other cases. He has stated clearly how he left the Anthony’s. There
was question as to why he also left the Cummings case, or did I misinterpret something.
Well, thank you for that compliment, Rock. BUT there are times when I am not so polite in some cases. LOL!
YEs, interesting about why he left the Cummings case. I forget. I’m gonna look around.
I sure hope he does not retire, but if he does I am sure he put the organization in good hands.
The Anthony’s tried to sully his good name and cause. However, the majority of the people who have followed this case or those family’s who his organization has helped will agree that it’s the Anthony’s who were WAY out of line.
I absoulutely believe 100% that the Family knew from the “get go” that Caylee was dead and who was responsible. I believe what Miller, Padilla, Tracy and Rob said about what went on in that house and how Casey behaved.
And Cindy with her looking for a “LIVE” Caylee only. Who says that. A “LIVE”, anyone? That told me right there she was not alive.
I think I am remembering a little regarding T. Miiler and Haleigh Cummings…
I think after coming off the “Anthony Family Horror”, he had another case, where again there were those invlolved who were lying~Misty~who n=knwe, in fact, that this child was dead.
I don’t mean to presume that about Haleigh, but with all that has gone on and recent revelations….
Please ignore my typo’s…I don’t actually “speak” like that!
LindaNewYork, the deal with Haleigh’s case & Tim’s involvement is this. Teresa Neves, contacted M NeJames & Tim Miller as she felt nothing was being done to find Haleigh. LE has really kept it zipped on Haleigh’s case. NeJames/T Miller agreed to form a search for Haleigh, but when T Miller arrived in Satsuma, he told both the Cumming’s & Croslin’s that Misty would have to take a Poly, Memory Analysis (can’t remember what its called,) Voice Analysis, etc. Misty failed ALL tests miserably because she is & has been a liar. TJ Hart that reports on the case all the time did one of the test.
Misty Croslin started hurling insults at Tim Miller because her test were released through the SUNSHINE Law/Tim Miller. Misty was furious, Tim said they needed a “starting point to look for Haleigh & Misty had all the answers, just like KC did, she whined & cried that she didn’t know anything. Tim pointed out that the searches were very expensive, that if she would just tell them where to start, they would. She just continued to lie.
CA wrote to NeJames a letter in Feb. 2010, & accused Tim Miller/NeJames that solicited T Neves to look for Haleigh! LOL! That not only is a FLAT OUT LIE for everyone that follows Haleigh’s case, including me, but the Anthony’s went down to Satsuma when GA got out of therapy for his “pretend Suicide Attempt” & did interviews, dispersing advice to MEDIA. CA even claimed, what an idiot, it was because of her there was any MEDIA attention for Haleigh! The Anthony’s were told to
G E T O U T of Satsuma & not come back!
NOW Misty, the liar, is claiming she really did know what happened to Haleigh, no one believes her now either.
Hunter, LOL! I did the same thing the other day with an interview on Tim. It is not up to me if it is okay, I am not a monitor though I really wish they have one here. I did apologize as I had not seen it done before, I was just trying to post the link, , but sometimes when you post a link from “youtube” the video just appears. BEES KNEES told me that it was common, I didn’t know that! Thanks for posting it, I certainly plan to watch & thanks for sharing.
Yo Hola, LOL! Thanks! You did comment about the case. That’s great! What I find interesting about Beth C. is that I wonder if she is referring to “evidence that will be with held from the public,” or future information. Baez is “pretty tight” with IN SESSION, hanging around for interviews after hearings. I like Tony L.’s attorney a lot also, he always offers commentary.
LindaNewYork, I read somewhere that Baez sent a bunch of emails to Beth C. on IN SESSION, I think they were between M NeJames & CA, I could be wrong but the funny thing is, ONCE CA forward the “private emails,” they were no longer confidential. CA didn’t have that privilege w/Baez, Baez doesn’t represent the ANT’S.
August 30, 2010 there is supposed to be a STATUS Hearing, KC doesn’t have to attend, but it will be interesting as it seems “so many depositions have not yet been done by the Defense.”
Art, well I just have to say that everyone here, then, does a mighty fine job of monitorring the board, with the exception of myself, of course! Between you, Judy and Linda I can come here without fear of being maligned for my opinion, and I so appreciate that, but all the more so the intelligence and insight of you wonderfully kind and knowledgeable people who so inspire me to know more. I thank you all, and thank you Bill for providing this forum!
Have a really super day!
Hunter, I hope you will not malign others for their opinion either 🙂
SS: defending a murderer (or an accused person) is a lawyers job; waiting to call someone a murderer till the trial is over, is our duty. Ask MD, I am sure he will explain the difference. Just because it is so easy to rant and lie about an accused person, does not make it right. She still has her civil rights and libelling her is probably just as unappropriate as libelling decent people who we think are innocent. JMO 🙂
uh yeah, and a rant, a lie, all directed at and libeling Kronk and/or others by the defense hacks is fine, just not the “accused”..
once again the two faced hypocrisy is glaring…
Hi RS!
Hi art tart.
Would those letters be the ones that were released last week?
And thank you for the real story on T. Miller and Misty Croslin. I don’t blame him. Another “caretaker” lying about a “missing” child. Although, perhaps they would have been able to find her…Caylee’s body was nothing but bones after 6 months.
I find anything this Misty says hard to believe. It is all very fishy.
Kronk is just a witness still running free, and is talked about, as it is suspicious how he fits in all of this and it was published by the State. Nothing I ever said about him was libel. He peed in front of a school, found a skull, found it earlier, has a lot of people accusing him of felonies, was arested for kidnapping, was a bounty hunter etc. And he is not on trial so it really is not important what people say, no jury will sent him to his death, like they might do to Casey. Defense hacks, like prosecution hacks, I don’t know what a hack is supposed to be. If Kronk feels libeled, he can do something. If Casey gets libeled, she can’t even see for herself. Some people can see the difference there. You need to have some ethics though 🙂
Ok, who’s turn is it?
I’ll bite — and first of all….. re-reading a lot of Ina’s posts …. I do not believe she thinks Casey is innocent….. I just believe she, Ina is being cautious and ethical about it all……
—–and, I have children and grandchildren…. if anyone attempted to harm a hair on any one of their heads, I would have to do serious damage ….. don’t quite get the vitriolic comments about this case, and almost nothing about the dispicable trailer trash involved with the Haleigh Cummings tragety….. hum
Stop the usual LIES, Kronk did not pee in front of a school, LIAR….
Again, the hypocrisy is glaring, but typical of shady, agenda driven people…
I bet you would kick butt, Yo Hola! NY gals are tough!
This blog is about Caylee Anthony’s murder, that is probably why. But there are a lot of bloggers writing about Haleigh…You should look around.
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Just think, If not for the Sunshine Law there would be nothing, or not as much to talk about rearding the accused murderer of Caylee.
I don’t think the word “unethical” applies to any discussion regarding this murder case, and the documents relating to it. Or voicing opinions. Or talking about the case in any way, shape or form. Or crying out how obvious it is that Casey Anthony is indeed the murderer.
It WILL be decided in a court of law. Talking about it, as well as the publicity, will not make a difference. OJ got away with it and that had plenty of publicity. He got a “fair” trial. And everyone talked about it, only there was no internet as the internet is today .
Exactly RS.
So, was it your turn? LOL!
Hunter, you “bring a lot to the conversation,” so glad you’re here! There may be many different ideas or opinions, but most of us here are interested in the JUSTICE the STATE will get for Caylee Marie. Sadly it seems, imo, the “Anthony’s & the Defense seem to think the case is about them,” I am looking forward to the Verdict & hopefully the Anthony’s will finally shut up!
LindaNewYork, I may be wrong, but I got the impression these letters had not been released, but, they could be the same letters that were released between MJ & CA. NeJames was only the ANT attorney for 4 or 5 weeks, imo, you can bet CA sent two or 3 emails per day, seems to be her personality, one to drive those around her crazy with her controlling behavior & imo, questionable stability. We’ll have to “continue to check it out.” It’s funny how Baez “has tried to manipulate the media, IN SESSION.
Yo Hola, it’s horribly sad that little Haleigh was surrounded by family & extended family those chose to continue to “continue to repeat the cycle of abusing/trafficking in drugs. I can’t stand to think of the conditions she lived in. jmo Yo Hola, although the Anthony’s loved Caylee, imo, she was surrounded by screaming/fighting/dysfunctional adults including KC, instability in her home life, it too saddens me. It seems KC/GA/CA all have difficulty “controlling their behavior, acting rational, & being honest” when they are confronted or arguing.
Yo Hola, you mention what you would be willing to do for your children or grand children, so you can certainly understand the outrage many of us feel for the lack of that love & protection extended to Caylee, no one, grand parent’s or Uncle have stood up for Caylee, but by God the public has stood up for her & “Demanding that she receive Justice in spite of her family.” imo, the STATE will deliver that JUSTICE!
Call me a liar RS? Oh, why not. I have had the misfortune to read what was said about me on your blog, so knowing what you are like, I don’t think I will be insulted LOL.
Kronk relieved himself there, and it was near a school. Try and make that right, it is the truth. The searchers who claim they did an excellent job: They just didn’t find a corpse. But it was there, they are sure. They should have known it was there as Kronk already said it was lying there about. But no one is allowed to call that a bad search. LOL it was? or.. was there no corpse? You can’t have it both ways?
Yo hola, you are right, at least I am trying to be ethical for as far as the accused is concerned. She may be guilty, what would I know? If I have an agenda, it is just that and it is not called agenda. But these people with too much time on their hands are trying to make it impossible for anyone who doesn’t express vicious hate toward Casey to comment here. It must be their idea of communicating. I have seen blogs been chased away from wp because of the comments and I would hate to see it happen here. A little respect for a person in jail might help.
No one is a troll, except for those who really troll about and they will be removed by Craig.
You are a LIAR, and you repeatedly post lies, such as Kronk exposed his privates or he peed in front of a school when you know it is a lie to do it….
…yet your chronically post your lies anyway
…and if that is not good enough for you, then you trash those with a blog or who write about the case as if for profit when you have a blog and claim you are writing a book.
and historically you do this, including things such as insisting the defense wanted a gag order….all lies you have posted and you know they are lies when you do it…
Then you trash our laws and throw in claims about Christianity…all while you LIE repeatedly
What you are IMO, is just a devious, agenda driven defense hack….that does not let truth and fact get in the way of your agenda,
Respect is earned not handed out to accused baby killers – she has no need or use for our respect
Wrong Kim. She is someone ACCUSED of a crime that is not proven. If a sociiety has no respect for people who are waiting for a trial, why not hang them right away? Because there is supposed to be Justice. Justice will deal with the punishment, nobody else needs to do so.
RS did you forget some insult there? There is a comma waiting for something to follow.
I don’t lie but I can imagine you rather believe the lies blogcommenters have been telling each other for years now. It is so easy to spit hate about someone who can’t defend herself. Just ask yourself where your frustrations come friom. I can’t imagine it is Casey Anthoy’s doing.
Being in FRONT of a school and Near a school are two very different things. LOL!
Problem is, things get thrown out with no thought or fact whatsoever. You are implying that Roy Kronk whipped out his “privates” in FRONT of a school. So if someone should take as gospel, what you say, it would be believed that …this man was indeed IN FRONT of a school relieving himself where children and teachers could see this. Now, all of a sudden you change it to “near a school”. So you spoke without proof/backup.
Go here: and you will see where this man relieved himself, in the woods. And quite a distance from said school. Again, “in the woods” where there are trees and brush where the only living things that would see him relieving himself are bugs, snakes, etc.
http://wikimapia.org/10841275/Location-of-Caylee-Anthony-s-body
How “ethical” is it to make a statment not backed up by fact?
Give it a rest liar, you know you post lies and you do it on purpose….why because you have no ethics at all nor morals, else you would not lie as you do.
BTW: cease with the English punctuation lecture…oh I forgot, that relates to another BS act of yours, that you supposedly have trouble with English….
Linda,
Seriously, all that one and it’s occasional cheerleaders care about is offering up one lie after another…they have no ethics nor morals
I suggest people begin to call IT out on it’s lies by calling IT what IT is, a liar…
Accused is the word I used, Ina
and again I reiterate – respect is EARNED. Casey has done nothing to earn respect. She is a PROVEN thief and a known liar – as was pointed out by her own mother.
You can keep your liberal rainbows and unicorn milk in the Netherlands where it does the least harm. Here in the US we will imprison baby killers and put them to death if we find them guilty
Ina, it seems the Defense has moved on from Kronk, haven’t you been reading the Orlando News, & can’t blame him for anything apparently! They are now going to look through the 4,000 Volunteer Searchers Names to see if they can “blame Caylee’s murder on any of them.” LOL!
Ina, you need to consider, which you do not, that for ANYONE OTHER THAN KC or SODDI, they would have to:
Have KC’s car keys, house key to get in the ANT home to remove items from the home such as laundry bag, GET CAYLEE FROM KC as KC was the LAST ONE SEEN with Caylee, Murder Caylee, drive KC’s car around so Caylee’s decomp fluids could leak into the trunk, & remember, KC & ONLY KC had her car every single day EXCEPT when the Decomp smell was over powering, she left it at Amscot! THEN! The murderer would have to put KC’s keys back in her purse while she was “bumping & grinding at Fusion conducting her own investigation.” Ina, this isn’t plausible, defies logic, & common sense, most people have a “grasp of the reality of what has happened!
Ina, all the circumstances for ANYONE in the world to have murdered Caylee would have to meet the Criteria Above, for those that can’t or won’t grasp the facts of the case, need to quit arguing the points, sit back, & PRAY KC doesn’t beg for a PLEA! The State is going to explain everything to you that other’s have grown tired of trying to reasonably discuss with you.
Ina, I wouldn’t worry about Craig & this blog, great discussions are held here everyday about the case. You might consider asking yourself: WHO did KC GIVE CAYLEE TOO? We know there was NEVER A PHANTOM Nanny! WHY didn’t KC report Caylee missing, ever, CA reported Caylee missing. WHAT kind of investigation did KC conduct other than clinging to any man she could get close to, & imposing herself on Tony L without a care in the world, waiting on him/room mate & cooking for them with items she bought with “stolen money or took from the Anthony refrigerator. WHY would KC hide from her family? DUH! KC knew CA would call the police, which is exactly what she did.
Ina, IF you can OVERCOME any of the questions, THEN you might try to point fingers at someone else, the STATE can prove their case, the DEFENSE will not be able to, most of us understand who the murderer is, why she is the murderer, & have absolutely no respect for a mother that would murder a child.
She is accused of the crime and I think she is guilty from what I have seen.
It is not lost on anyone that she needs to be found guilty in a court of law, lest you were thinking otherwise.
Again, Ina, we are at a stalemate with you. You will never convince me of what you think about all of this and I will never convince you.
So quit tryin’, OK? 🙂
There are other blogs that agree with your views. Not that I have the authority to tell you not to comment here. But you will get the same argument each time. Personally, I wouldn’t bother with commenters on a blog that I can’t get to agree with my point of view on this case.
I HAVE read your and others’ arguments and suspicions. And they hold NO WATER with me. Unlike, say the area where Caylee was found, which the searchers say WAS holding water!
If you don’t have respect for people just because they are people, why not shoot everyone you don’t like? Oh wait, you probably do lol.
Yup, RS just like the Anthony Family and Casey’s Attorneys.
Unethical and no morals.
Ina said, on August 19, 2010 at 9:50 am
Ina, that is just a stupid thing to say. LOL!
No, Ina – I don’t. I will again say respect is earned. I do see this is a concept far beyond you so I will not bore the others by trying to explain it to you.
And there you go, when cornered exposing your lies, you post nonsense or try to change the subject..
Why not cease posting lies LIAR!
and for everybody else, pointless to debate with IT, I suggest calling IT out on what IT is, a liar….and save yourself some energy by not typing up a debate type response…
All IT wants to do is disrupt here and uses lies to that effort….lies about Kronk, lies about case events, lies about evidence, lies about issues with English, one lie after another and has been this way for months….
Scary. No respect for human beings. I have nothing to say to creeps like that. Why don’t you join your local Nazi club? You will fit right in 🙂
The phrase respect is earned is about a different sort of respect. Idiot.
I will outright state without a problem that you are a LIAR to claim that Mr. Kronk peed in front of a school. It never happened, yet YOU state it as FACT. LIAR. and it is not the first time you have told that same lie. The hypocrisy is for one to come here and skew the facts and out and out lie then when called on that lie that same person claims an inadequate grasp of the English language.
My father, brother and both army sons served in the US Military to guarantee my RIGHT to FREEDOM OF SPEECH. I will say what I darn well please, however, I will NOT repeatedly spew a bald faced lie about an innocent man. Reprehensible and hypocritical to the nth degree.
I met a lady from the Netherlands and enjoyed her company for several days while on vacation. I am glad I did since that encounter has clearly shown that not everyone from that particular corner of the world is as devious and ignorant as the one we continually encounter on blogs.
For those of you who are not familiar with this blog…ina continues to skew the facts….such as claiming a “bad search” without stating the rest of the story….such as that they couldn’t search the area where the body was because it was UNDER WATER. But those who would persist in pursuing their agenda and not the truth, conveniently forget those darn little inconveniences. ina has been pointed to the Discovery documents many, many times but continue to lie in order to foster a belief in her “enlightenment” and “sense of fairplay”…..Gotta throw the BS flag on this nonsense.
Oh…sorry, was it my turn?
Way to have intelligent conversation, Ina. So I am a Nazi? A creep?
yup here we go, more devious BS..no respect for human beings is the claim, yet IT lies about Kronk, others…
Kim,
that is what IT does, when IT’s lies and two faced deviousness are exposed, it then posts nonsense..
RS – I will not sit still to name calling – especially being called a Nazi. She has gone too far this time
It got a name and it is a human being. And it is disgusted so it said words that are not nice. Kim, I appologize to the creeps and nazi’s 🙂
All this arguing with Ina, got me thinking..And that thinking led me to sometime back in May:
LindaNewYork said, on May 11, 2010 at 5:15 pm
“craigatwftv said, on May 11, 2010 at 11:58 am Hi Diana, Ina can be blocked. I choose not to block her. Not sure why you people care so much. Her comments are fine. And if their goal is to incite, well then all of you who respond are suckers for helping her with her goal. At some point, I’d like to think that those of you who despise Ina will just ignore her.”
I AM A SUCKER!!! LOL!
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And I am STILL a sucker…
As far as apologies go, Ina – that was the lamest I have ever seen.
You apologize to the Nazi’s?
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Well Hello, frankie…Yes it was your turn. I think all will have a turn today. But we should take Craigs advice!
🙂 I know it was Kim lol. Bye it was fun but must go cook.
Linda, don’t think, you don’t want to exhaust yourself 🙂
LindaNewYork, absolutely correct, this time I promise to IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE, seems Craig “knows exactly what her goal is.” If we didn’t bother trying to have a “reasonable discussion with her, & everybody just IGNORED her except for the few that wish to continue to discuss with her, Yo Hola which only shoots out a sentence or two & jbmission, then perhaps the BLOG will move swiftly & smoothly just like it does on days she isn’t here.
Craig is exactly correct! IGNORE!
IF we all IGNORED INA, she could argue with herself!
She’s annoying, isn’t she?
Bye, Ina. It’s been a good time, as usual.
Thanks for the laughs! 🙂
I think Craig was taken in by her no-speaka-da-englais BS. If he reads her latest entries, he will see that her connivances were indeed FAKED. She/he/it speaks English as fluently as everyone else, even to the point of correcting RS’s punctuation! She/he/it is a defense hack, just as RS and others have maintained. She fakes Dutch nationality just so that she can lie and remain immune from prosecution for the malicious slander she states about Roy Kronk and others. She is just here to stir up trouble and divert attention away from the case……she later goes to her blog and laughs about upsetting people here.
I will continue to be a suck, as defined by Craig, I suppose. No way will I let lies stand without countering with the TRUTH! I will not stand by while she lies about Mr. Kronk, LE and the decent people using their own resources to search for a child whose family couldn’t be bothered.
BTW….she is outed and will suddenly have to cook so we won’t have to deal with her for the rest of the day.
Craig ty for the mail, I fully agree 🙂
You had been doing great recently at ignoring her, art. I admired you for that!
And now IT is deceptive in implying IT got an e-mail….
The issue here is that I was completely civil to her, merely expressed my thoughts on respect. For that I was called a creep, an idiot and a Nazi
I fake dutch nationality?? LOL Frankie. Ik geloof dat je helemaal in de war bent, ik ben geboren en getogen hier en als jij denkt dat ik amerikaanse ben, dan vind ik dat een compliment voor mijn engels. Frankie, you are a liar. I am Dutch. I don’t pretend. Husband volunteerd cooking. 🙂
HaaHaHaaaaaa..Told you she would have to go cook! LOL That is so funny. Do we have her pegged or what?
But Kim, I could have said something nasty? 🙂
I am sure she did, RS
You did say something reprehensible Ina
Kim, take it where it is coming from. You didn’t derserve it. She absolutley enjoys this.
I bet Craig enjoys us arguing with Ina and let her know…
(Craig, you know you love us!!)
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And yes she will go back to her blog and laugh about it with the ONE person that comments there. haha
Kim, yes you were attacked. As was Hunter in her admonition to not :
Ina said, on August 19, 2010 at 5:59 am
Hunter, I hope you will not malign others for their opinion either
Hunter was not speaking to her or anyone in particular. You know how it goes…..in a backwards sort of way? LOL
She is transparent.
It is almost 6 here. PM.
Anyway, aboit the subject of tbhis blog; there will be automatic appeals if there is a conviction, but not if there is no conviction. The prosecution won’t have a right to appeal. I read that here and I think that is not exactly so? If so, it is different from here. And interesting. I would like to know more about that.
LNY: Yep..that makes two people that post there, the owner and the owner that posts under another name…..LOL
I am sure JBM and yo hola will grace us with their presence soon.
Or are you not done yet?
Ina said, on August 19, 2010 at 10:47 am
YOU can look it up. I certainly won’t make it easy for you….
OK, people all together it is calle Double…Double….Jea….nope she can look it up herself. LOL!
frankie, if you think I am thinker belle : I am not. I think you better stop guessing. It is disturbibg the blog.
frankie said, on August 19, 2010 at 10:48 am LNY: Yep..that makes two people that post there, the owner and the owner that posts under another name…..LOL
I am sure JBM and yo hola will grace us with their presence soon.
OK, frankie, NOW YOU HAVE JINXED US!
Linda, what are you babbling about??
No, I think there is another disturbance here….
I’m babbling about YOU, Ina. You are a funny one!
I can’t eat and have fun at the same time. How ever sad it makes me, I have to part.
If I have offended anyone it probably was intended. If it was not intended, sorry 🙂
Ha….that was fast meal prep! Maybe the imagihubby cooked gourmet hot dogs. I won’t help her learn about anything. She would just feign ignorance in two weeks anyway, so I am not wasting my time. Besides, we have discussed that very subject over and over again and she always says oh the prosecution won’t get another chance? and lapses into pseudo dutch no speaka da englais jargon.
Craig….are you pulling our chain, pretending to speak funky English? LOL
Ha-frankie, like I said what is it called…Double..Double..What? haha She can look it up herself.
She no speaka witha da common sense!
It is almost 6 here. PM.
Anyway, aboit the subject of tbhis blog; there will be automatic appeals if there is a conviction, but not if there is no conviction. The prosecution won’t have a right to appeal. I read that here and I think that is not exactly so? If so, it is different from here. And interesting. I would like to know more about that.
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Ina, that’s not true, IF KC receives the DP, she will “automatically get an appeal.” IF she she convicted & given “LWOP,” there has to be “credible reasons for an appeal as they are so costly & many are denied appeals!” BOTH Judges in this case have been very careful to “prevent appeals,” Judge P have very rarely ever been appealed in a case, LOL!
It’s those “testy American Laws for American Citizens that we don’t expect those that don’t live in this Country to Understand if THEY DON’T RESEARCH before they shoot their mouth’s off!” What you can bet your last dime on is that the Anthony’s will hit the MEDIA Circuit & scream “ineffective counsel but KC won’t be able to appeal on that!” She has stated to the JUDGE she is “satisfied w/Counsel.
I will go back to IGNORING You, but WHEN you state things that are FACTUALLY INCORRECT or an outright LIE, the record will be set straight by other’s! It must be miserable being you Ina, I bet you are more intelligent than you project, but then, who cares?
By the way, LOL, PROSECUTOR’s DON’T APPEAL!!! Research the American Laws if you want to make CORRECT statements.
Ina must be having a melt down because she cannot comment at Dave’s new place. Her and jb are a lot a like, both full of chit when it comes to this case. Reading at jb missions place and now they have put TM smack in the middle of a conspiracy. Such stupid people. I guess it is easier for them to believe all these people are out to get Casey then it is to realize Casey is the only person with a motive to kill her 2 year old. I mean whoelse would want to? She had no friends because mommy had no job, so no daycare kids that disliked her. No boyfriend because she is only 2 and second mommy’s imaginary friend really had no son named Zach. Do any of you think all these people are setting up poor little Casey?
Why on earth would anyone conspire against Casey? What value is there in it? She is a nobody – has nothing
maybe this could explain part of her trouble:
http://www.amsterdam.info/drugs/
LNY: HA! Yep…no speaka da common sense!
Prosecutor’s do NOT appeal any case.
Double Jeopardy prevents anyone from facing a charge a second time.
The only way the state could have a retrial is a hung jury, or if while at trial one of the lawyers does something that merit’s a mis-trial.
Anyone convicted of a capital offense gets an automatic appeal as their right to justice.
They also have several other opportunities to file for an appeal.
“If memory serves me correctly I believe they are given 6 chances” but I won’t swear at this moment.
hey art, that is why I told her to go look it up herself. I did give her a hint, though, regarding a “prosecution appeal” and why it does not happen!
Hh tarmac. It is amazing that these people seem to think that there was some BIG conspiracy to “frame” Casey. It is indeed laughable and so out of the realm of reality and most of all, lacking in common sense.
Ah, judy, you said the Double Jeapardy word. I wanted Ina to have to figure it out herself and then come here and explain it to us. You ruined all the fun! LOL!
Kim, you are giving all the pot-heads a BAD NAME!!!
Kim:
Some people you can not be kind too, trust me.
In the beginning I tried to be civil, Ina, JB and YO, they will not allow it.
They always show up together, and they always find someone’s post to nit-pick at.
Their post are always snide, and always set to incite an uprising.
And when you ignore them they show up and post to one another about how wise & wonderful the other is filling the blog with utter B.S.
Sorry Linda, I did not read up far enough to see what was going on, I thought I was answering Art.
Okay start the blond jokes lol.
Judy: Yep and presenting that BS as FACT. Craig may call me a sucker, but I refuse to allow them to post LIES as FACT. I am throwing the BS flag every time. If WFTV doesn’t want me to do so, they can feel free to block my posts and allow the “foreigners” to completely mislead others as they see fit. As I said, most of the men in my life fought for my right to voice my opinion. I do not believe WFTV has any interest in denying me that right. I suppose we will all find out if I get an imaginary email from Craig as ina did! 🙂
Well, Linda – she gave all red blooded Americans several bad names when she called me idiot and Nazi
Kim said, on August 19, 2010 at 11:40 am
maybe this could explain part of her trouble:
http://www.amsterdam.info/drugs/
LOL that’s pretty funny! I don’t think she is stoned though, she is too confrontational. Pot heads really don’t care about much except for the next snack! Additionally, instead of blaming RK and TM, she would think it was cosmic karma that murdered an innocent not quite 3 year old child for no discernible reason. WOW, kool dude.
Only kiddin’ judy! No, no blonde jokes. Only Ina jokes…She looks for the banter about her comments and enjoys “offending” as she said upthread.
She is well known around the Casey Anthony Blogs…and not so much in a good way. The only time she is taken seriously is when she joins the people against MD at that blog. Or “there is a conspiracy against Casey” blog(s).
Kim said, on August 19, 2010 at 12:07 pm Well, Linda – she gave all red blooded Americans several bad names when she called me idiot and Nazi
I know Kim. She is clueless. She comes from a country with no spine. And has no clue how insulting it is to call someone a Nazi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Netherlands_(1939%E2%80%931945)
“At the outbreak of Second World War in 1939, the Netherlands declared itself neutral once again as it had done during World War I. Even so, on May 10 1940, Germany invaded the Netherlands”. ONCE AGAIN.
I hope to hell they don’t plea at the last minute. Then we wouldn’t get to hear and see all the evidence. For some reason this has been nagging at me. I WANT TO HEAR AND SEE ALL THE EVIDENCE!
judy, judy, judy, judypc, I too am a blonde, LOL! Did you read my response to Ina where I tried to explain it to her? I was trying to “explain that to Ina,” but as you know, “there is no explaining anything to Ina, because she wants to argue.” She should STUDY the laws in the US before continuing to shoot her mouth off with LIES & NON FACTUAL information, but then, she is here to disrupt & argue.
tarmac! too funny, yep, they have her number there as well as jbmissions & their “other names!” I don’t read at jbmissions, the comments she makes here are an insult to my intelligent, but if Ina & jbmission would put their heads together to figure out ALL the problems starting with the 31 days missing & WHO KC gave Caylee to, that would keep them busy full time. LOL! Bet Baez is still trying to think up something!
Kim, I know you are “insulted” by Ina’s remarks, who wouldn’t be, but she is here to entertain & insult, you are here to discuss the case, most of us know her game & she is always going to insult different one’s at different times.
Thanks, guys – you know I prefer to remain in the discussion. She went way too far with what she said to me. If it wasn’t for America she would be goose stepping right now.
Even her apology was insulting
Lizabutt said, on August 19, 2010 at 12:33 pm
I hope to hell they don’t plea at the last minute. Then we wouldn’t get to hear and see all the evidence. For some reason this has been nagging at me. I WANT TO HEAR AND SEE ALL THE EVIDENCE!
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Lizabutt, you & me BOTH! I want to see Ashton/Burdick connect the Dots for us, I can’t wait to hear ALL the evidence, some that has been “with held” due to being too prejudicial, I assume we will see the Death Video Judge S with held, imo, I bet she was throwing an angry fit just like she did in the jail videos, I want to see everything the STATE knows about KC, you can bet that they have that “time line so tight” that KC will be appalled that she really was such an idiot, she only fooled herself.
The DEFENSE is laughable, Since Mason already predicted KC would get LWOP BEFORE he joined the Circus, I would think the Defense would LOVE to PLEA for LWOP for KC so they would have to continue to look so inept, the problem many say is KC! She will roll the dice! I hope not!
Thanks everybody for sharing the Links, I am off to read them!
Art~ if I remember correctly jbmission sees no problem with Casey out partying why Caylee was missing, because Casey must have trusted her nanny. Never mind this nanny has never been found by le or the fbi. Makes me sick how they continue to throw anyone under the bus but ignore the facts. I will not waste my time at her blog anymore. She is lacking common sense for sure. Zuben left a comment about T.E.S on her site yesterday basically saying it is a crappy organization but if you read comments from family members (other than Cindy) they only praised T.E.S. for their work.
Liz, I agree. Would hate to see that.
But Cindy has said, ad nasuem, that Casey would never admit to something she didn’t do. This girl will never ever admit it. Never.
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Kim said, on August 19, 2010 at 12:40 pm Even her apology was insulting
Kim, She absolutley means to insult:
Ina said, on August 19, 2010 at 11:00 am
“….If I have offended anyone it probably was intended. If it was not intended, sorry.”
and she knows exactly how people will react to her views and enjoys the backlash.
LOL…looks like you guys had some fun this morning without me. School started today for the kiddos, so I’ve been busy. Anything new about the case? Oh, and HI everyone! 🙂
mix!!!!
all alone with the baby now?
The baby, and Madelyn too. Sky is home today. 🙂
I do not believe the State will offer a plea. I hope the duct tape has Casey’s paw prints on them. As far as the car goes Casey told Amy in the weeks before Caylee was reported missing that it smelled like something died. Then went on to say she had squirrels plastered on it. I do not have children yet but if I did 31 days would not go by without me reportiing my child missing. Especially if I had no part in the childs disappearance. jmo
hi Sky!!!
Ina is not only a writer, but an “aritist” as well.
http://www.more.com/4950/24525
lol Linda!!!
omg – that made me laugh – ty ty ty
I doodle too, does that make me an artist? and I blog, so I am a writer as well?
Tell me about it Kim. I was like, “did she just say the P word” ??? I am not sure if that word is allowed here.
This is what we are dealing with. LOL!
When I draw/doodle, it’s usually just flowers…..or boxes….not P’s !!!
Linda – she has always been this way – she some how thinks she is cute and funny and uber intelligent – which is why when she gets backed into a corner on her lies and her repeated stupidity she either has to cook or she calls names
Yes, she has been. It goes waaaay back. Patience runs very thin with her for good reason. You try to be civil, but….
And yes, she runs away….
Hi there, I see you found my story in More, I was quite happy they published it 🙂 Just finished dinner. The story was meant to be funny btw so I am glad you liked it. Is this not way off topic? I don’t run away but unlike some, I do have other things to do lol.
I do wonder at times how you all make money? Penis is a normal word btw. If you are married, you sometimes com across one. Is not scary.
Now really, love to chat, but again, I have other stuff to do as well. And this blog is not meant to talk about me? I am flattered though.
Hey guys — been out all day (in this “non” global warming of 90 + degrees) ….. who used the P word ,and…. what is it …what I’m thinking? tsk tsk
Judy thanks, just see this now when I was about to leave. So the prosecution has no right for an appeal, that was true. I will read more about it, now THAT is interesting. Just because I don’t want to be rude: Kim, I don’t live in Amsterdam and I don’t do drugs. Now if you don’t mind, I won’t go into the rest of the crap. This blog is not about me. The producer must think so too by now lol. Sorry C!
Yo hola, how do you call that thingie then?
Ina ……….. what “thingie”????????
Ina you are right this blog is not about you. Why do we have to repeat ourselves everyday? If you hate our laws just follow the crime in your own country. I am beginning to see why your best friend Dave kicked you to the curb. Now go back to bab and discuss nothing with them, we want to talk about Caylee.
It is quite evident that a certain individual does not want anyone discussing the Anthony case. I noticed she did a good job of disrupting the conversation until everyone left in here. This was the reason that she was banned permanently from another blog and that particular blog owner was ridiculed for it.
I hope everyone, minus one, will continue to comment here as I come in here often to read y our informative comments.
SS, Ina has issues. She does not like our laws but comes here everyday to stir the pot. I am tired of reading explantion from people to her. No one can be that dumb. I believe she is here because Dave got rid of her. I wish he would take her back so she would stay away. It is funny because she has selective “dumbness” she does just fine at the Bab blog. Understands it all, but when she steps in here it kicks in.
Yeah, I am going to start trying to ignore again. I take the bait and try to “expalin” as do others. I am done (for now, at least).
Also done for the day.
snoopysleuth said, on August 19, 2010 at 3:55 pm
It is quite evident that a certain individual does not want anyone discussing the Anthony case. I noticed she did a good job of disrupting the conversation until everyone left in here. This was the reason that she was banned permanently from another blog and that particular blog owner was ridiculed for it.
I hope everyone, minus one, will continue to comment here as I come in here often to read y our informative comments.
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No, no, no….please get it right – he was ridiculed because he is a MURT. Look it up. Oh wait you don’t have to look it up because you are a MURTARD.
Murt???????????? YIKES!!!
Murtard??? Too funny?
tarmac, jmho, I do not think that the STATE will offer any PLEA WHATSOEVER, Ashton made it clear in Court there was NEVER a PLEA Deal on the table for KC. imo, the DEFENSE, ONLY if they can convince KC, will ask for a PLEA of possibly LWOP. The STATE has a “solid case” & they will prove that KC was the murderer of little Caylee, the DEFENSE on the other hand has absolutely nothing but continue to look for anybody to blame the murder on. The STATE thinks they can prove all aggravating factors, & since we don’t know what all the STATE has, I am looking forward to seeing it in the trial.
tarmac, you pointed out that jbmission saw nothing wrong with KC out partying, bumping & grinding in her push up bra she bought at Target which earned her 6 Felonies, it speaks volumes for the “mother jbmission is.”
HebeMurt, Murtard? too funny!
LindaNewYork, you can do it, I can do it, we will do it, IGNORE INA & discuss the case with those that are discussing Caylee’s murder & not explaining “the Laws of our Country” because she needs to do the research herself, whatever it takes for her to grasp the facts.
http://answers.encyclopedia.com/question/can-prosecution-criminal-case-file-appeal-84329.html for those interested in law. It is interesting to learn the prosecution can file for an appeal in less severe cases but not murder In the Netherlands the prosecution can appeal in murdercases. Now I wonder why it is not so in the States, I think it is an important issue in this case, the thing could be over next Summer if the jury says not guilty? If anyone knows why there is this difference in the ways of Justice, I would be obliged 🙂
http://www.historyoflaw.info/history-of-american-law.html also very interesting!
Thanks for the information. It will definitely help people in long term…
You are welcome. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_jeopardy And now I finally underdstand what is meant by double jeopardy 🙂 (I didn’t think it was an extra long episode of a quiz)
Good morning. What a pity this site is so off topic. Personally, I would rather learn about the laws in Florida from Mr. Shaeffer, than a person who lives below sea level in another country. Be back when we can address the subject at hand: The criminal case against Casey Anthony”.
Good morning everyone! I don’t think the state will offer a plea. I think they can prove their case and I believe they were so disturbed by the maliciousness of the crime that unless the defense comes up with something reasonable, which they have NOT, there will be no plea. I do think the defense will go belly crawling to the State begging to spare the creeps life and, at that point, the State may entertain LWOP to avoid trial. I hope if they do, they will still make everything public. We have a right to know what she did. The crime was perpetrated against the State and Caylee.
I heard on the evening news last night that Judge Perry had ordered transcripts of certain video interviews. I can’t find it on WFTV.
I have to say this, regarding Casey pleading guilty….I am sure the guilty plea would only be accepted with LWOP as the ONLY choice for punishment. I also think if she did plead guilty, she would need to TRUTHFULLY tell what happened to Caylee and it better match what the prosecution’s evidence shows. BUT Casey is known liar~oops, teller of mis-truths and half-truths (haha). She lied about every aspect of her life and what happened to Caylee.
So, what happens if she wants to plead guilty and the prosecution does not accept what she is telling them as to how Caylee was murdered. For instance, if Casey all of a sudden says “oh, it was an accident..blah, blah” and the prosecution says, well no, that is not what our evidence shows….
Any thoughts? (hope I made sense).
P.S. Hi muesli. Yes way off topic yesterday!
Good morning frankie & muesli, too funny muesli, but so true.
frankie, too, the STATE, imo, has probably had a “gut full of the incompetent Baez, with his ridiculous smirk & terminator sun shades,” although it does seem Baez is smirking less & less. The STATE has “worked their case & know the facts,” all the while watching Baez be entertained by Geraldo, spread absolute LIES/propaganda on National TV, flown to New York for interviews. It’s unfortunate that the STATE has to just sit & watch, they can’t say anything EXCEPT to make Baez look like a complete Idiot with his ridiculous MOTIONS in Court over & over, call him out on his “incompetence,” & kicked his butt of Lunceford & Lying! imo, the STATE is going to “teach Baez the lesson of his life,” he & he alone got KC “where she is legally” & it started in the very beginning, when he had 3 yrs. legal experience!
frankie, too, that was discussed a little at Hinkey Meter last night. I am going to “look around too” & see what’s up, it’s Friday, TIME FOR NEW MOTIONS from Dumb/Dumber, jmo.
LindaNewYork, there lies the problem, imo. IF the DEFENSE did beg for a plea, I agree, the STATE would only consider LWOP because they are confident they can prove their case.
imo, the ONLY was KC would PLEA would be to “cop an ALFORD PLEA,” a Plea in which she admits the STATE has the evidence to convict her, BUT, she would NOT have to tell how she murdered Caylee.
Good morning art tart.
I thought about that Alford Plea while writing my comment. You and I both watch the shows on Discovery channel. I seem to remember a case where the prosecution would not accept a plea and took it to trial, although I don’t remember the circumstances of that murder case. And I remember seeing other cases where there was a guilty plea and the murderer had to admit to how it was done.
COULD the prosecution refuse an Alford plea?
I’ll have to look, but I don’t think an Alford plea can be entered in a capital case….going to look now.
The Alford plea, unlike the no contest plea, is a relatively new invention. In 1970, the United States Supreme Court heard a now-famous case from North Carolina. State law provided that a defendant who pleads guilty to a capital felony – murder, in this case – will only face life in prison. However, if the defendant preferred to go to trial, he would face the death penalty if convicted, or the jury could recommend life imprisonment in the alternative. With that in mind, Alford agreed to plead guilty, although he maintained that he was an innocent man at every step of the process. He appealed his sentence, arguing that he was compelled to plead guilty due to his fear of capital punishment. The Supreme Court ruled that he made a voluntary choice and that his constitutional rights were not violated.
So…I was WRONG! LOL
frankie, it CAN be used in a Capital Case, in fact, Alford, in which the PLEA is named was facing the Death Penalty! The “Alford Plea” was adapted in most States & is in Fla. The point to the Alford Plea was “to save Alford’s Life, he knew the STATE had enough evidence to convict him, but he was able to “still whine he didn’t do it, so he received LWOP.” Of course there was “Buyer’s remorse, Alford wanted to APPEAL his “Alford Plea” & of course it was denied! I read up extensively on the ALFORD PLEA because I wanted to make sure it could be used in Fla. & it can.
LindaNewYorK: re: letter Baez sent to Beth Caris. I read at WS they “are the same emails, the emails Baez used to Quash NeJames’ Motion so Beth wouldn’t really have “any scoop or poop to put Baez in a better light, they were released to the public.”
I found this
n an Alford Plea, the criminal defendant does not admit the act, but admits that the prosecution could likely prove the charge. The court will pronounce the defendant guilty. The defendant may plead guilty yet not admit all the facts that comprise the crime. An Alford plea allows defendant to plead guilty even while unable or unwilling to admit guilt. One example is a situation where the defendant has no recollection of the pertinent events due to intoxication or amnesia. A defendant making an Alford plea maintains his innocence of the offense charged. One reason for making such a plea may be to avoid being convicted on a more serious charge. Acceptance of an Alford plea is in the court’s discretion.
However, in many states, a plea which “admits sufficient facts” often results in the case being continued without a decision and later dismissed. A conviction under an Alford plea may be used as a conviction for later sentencing purposes. However, one state supreme court has held that an Alford plea, unlike a criminal trial, does not provide a full and fair hearing on the issues in the case, and therefore does not preclude later litigation of the issues
According to Maura on Hinky (and she is generally right, unlike me):
Baez requested transcripts for people on the state witness list (looks like OCSO and FBI people):
a. Appling Wells
b. Adriana Acevedo
c. Matt Irwin
d. Lori Gottesman
e. Steven Shaw
f. Karen Lowe
g. Elizabeth Fontaine
h. Heather Seubert
frankie, lol, I didn’t know either if it was “acceptable as an Option in Fla. until last week” & I looked into it. I have watched several 48 hrs./Dateline Mysteries in which a few have plead this in Murder Case’s. It’s interesting, but let’s hope the skank “rolls the dice!”
I read this at WS too, I found interesting. KUDOS, imo, to T Miller for setting the record straight about what Liars & manipulator’s the ANT’s are, a commentor was so fed up she contacted the TODAY show sending them Tim’s interview with this comment:
NUMS24 said:
“You give the Anthony’s face time to spin their lies, how about Tim Miller and his truthful interview. It’s all over the web and bloggers are demanding it go NATIONAL! Stop helping the wrong people! Do the right thing and do something for CAYLEE MARIE!”
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COOL, NUMS24, why the MEDIA continues to “allow the Anthony’s to spew propaganda gets on “my last nerve!” To think National Media calls that “Journalism, participating or allowing LIES to be spewed Nationally?” I guess it’s about that “testy little contract that GA told LD Budick/Ashton in his deposition they had!”
Kim said, on August 20, 2010 at 8:51 am
“…Acceptance of an Alford plea is in the court’s discretion…”
So it means the prosecution COULD refuse to accept that plea.
I would imagine the prosecution in this case if they could, WOULD not accept it. I believe they are going to want this girl to “explain” herself and won’t take anything less than her admitting inopen court, her guilt and the how, where and maybe why.
I agree, Linda – I think they will want her to spill details
OK, how do I get in touch with the Today show.?
Or maybe I can go into the city and stand outside the NBS studio with a Giant Sign calling them out on the one sided interviews regarding this case!
I am sure that those in LE who are part of the investigation and the prosecution team have sore tongue’s due to biting their tongue’s for the last two years every time Baez and team and th Anthony’s are on TV!
are they on again?!!
No, they’re not…Just sayin’!
KC’s case has been a little slow, of course, Dumb/Dumber have several hours to file MO MOTIONS, but there is discussion at WS about Baez leading KC to believe she could get a “mistrial.” LOL! Apparently, the discussion is on several blogs but is NOT CONFIRMED as fact. imo, I always thought Baez, 3 yr. attorney on training wheels, told KC, “ALL WE HAVE TO PROVE IS REASONABLE DOUBT!” LOL!! imo, Baez believed everything KC told him in the beginning & then had to have his own PI PROVE HER FREAKIN LIES! There are NO GROUNDS for a mistrial, imo, Baez has done KC a “tremendous disservice by lack of understanding of the law & inexperience.”
A commentor ask one of their Attorney’s there, what her opinion was, I LMAO!
AZ LAWYER SAID:
I think a mistrial is a stupid primary goal also. But as a backup plan, I suppose there is a greater chance of getting a plea deal offer after a mistrial.
I agree that, from what we heard, it appears that KC, at least, thinks a mistrial means she walks. Who knows whether JB understands it. If he understood it, you would think he could have conveyed the concept to a smart girl like KC during one of their 5-hour meetings. (OMG! Yep, all those days spent with Baez certainly seemed unprofessional to most, but hey, he is Baez/Dumber/Ring Master of the Circus, imo)
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To think KC is sitting in her jail cell eating cheese puffs & drinking expensive bottled water while picking out what color pony tail holder to wear, Baez’s peers think he is an IDIOT! After all, KC is the one facing the DP, Baez can continue to entertain!
AZLawyer also said that “Judge P can impose a GAG Order, even now!” A comment was made about the Dumb/Dumber leaving that meeting with Judge P & calling a NEWS CONFERENCE for themselves, the commentor suggested Judge P ” will NOT be happy after seeing the ridiculous interview!” I agree.
It seems when something unfavorable to Casey or them or the defense team comes out or is about to come out they go on the “sympathy tour”.
LindaNewYork, the commentor post the link to the today show, I will go back & get the link to the pages I was reading from, they really have some lively discussions, & it’s cool that several attorney’s contribute.
Link to TODAY SHOW:
TODAY@nbcuni.com
Link to WS pages I was reading from if you are interested.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93317&page=49
Morning Kim, thanks for posting the information on the Alford Plea too, because we know there will be one that will have no grasp or understanding, LOL!
OH TOO! I read that Ann Rule has a NEW Book out, & she mentions KC as well as Susan Smith & Diane Downs, as “ALL SOCIOPATH’S!” GOD I love Ann Rule, my favorite, they even sighted page # 79, LOL!
GM Art!! I have wondered about the Alford as well
I’m off to the book store. Thanks for the head’s up, art tart. Last year, I had a few email communications with Ann Rule regarding the Casey Anthony Case. I asked if, when this is over, she would be writing a book about it. Her answer was that there is too much information out there so that it would not only NOT be interesting to her, but to the public as well. She said she had discussed it with her publisher, and that was their decision. Ann Rule answers her own emails, and they are very personable. Even knowing so much about this case, I feel Ann, with her credentials and reputation, could write a fascinating book about this case.
muesli, thanks for some personal insight into Ann Rule, she is also my favorite. I will buy the book today myself, you gotta love blogging, sharing information. It’s interesting that she answers her emails, but I guess I would expect that of her, she is humble, approachable, & always sympathetic to the Victim & their families.
Kim, we can expect anything as May 2011 approaches, who knows what the Defense will decide to do then. LOL! At least we understand the Alford Plea! LOL!
LindaNewYork, yes, Prosecutor’s DO NOT have to accept any plea whatsoever, it is their discretion as you stated. I thought perhaps as the trial approaches & KC, the CEO of the DEFENSE TEAM wants her day in court, that CA/GA would go to the STATE to BEG that the DP be taken off the table, it has happened in some cases, but again it is at the Discretion of the STATE, I can’t see one “favor being afforded the Anthony’s,” they are “not sympathetic grand parent’s as the ANT’s will want the Jury to think,” Burdick/Ashton, like most of the public that keeps up with the case know everything they have done to PREVENT JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE!
Linda, too, in the case of Dr. Petit & his 2 daughter’s & wife brutally murdered, in that case the DEFENSE approached the STATE about LWOP. The STATE left it up to Dr. Petit, he said NO! THERE WILL BE NO PLEA! The two scumbags, imo, will surely receive the DP! He stated he “realized that it would drag on for years, he was doing it for his family.”
Woman claims that she has a friend who’s child has the same father as Caylee
Caroline said…
I really want to say you have Cindy all wrong. She can be a pain in the ass but shes not the horrid person you make her out to be. My friend actually lived with the Anthony family for a time and she met Casey in high school. She knows everything that went on it that house and these are not bad people. My friends child actually has the same farther as Caylee and they were close. Cindy could be a pain at times but George was always cool. Another thing is they loved that little girl Caylee with all they had and it hurts to hear people speak this way about our dear friends.
Tuesday, 17 August, 2010
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/08/mail-fraud-cindy-anthony-letter.html
I think that this would be of interest to Yuri Melich, since the woman claims that it doesn’t matter who the father is as it has no relevance to the case against Casey. This comment is about ten or so down in the comments section on Peter Hyatt’s blog.
Fed Up, how interesting!
muesli is off to the book store and I am off to the little “off the books” job I picked up a little while ago…LOL!
Fed up, WTH?
Gotta read all the comments later.
How does she know its the same father?
JUDGE OPENS UP RECORDS FOR THE DEFENSE TEAM BUT, THEY ARE ON A SHORT LEASH!
THE ORDER SAID;
Casey Anthony’s lawyers will be allowed to review and take notes on all Texas EquuSearch records created during the group’s organized searches for her missing daughter in 2008, a judge ordered this week.
While Anthony’s defense team can review the records, they cannot release the names of the searchers or any other information in the files to the public or the media, according to the order signed Thursday by Orange-Osceola Chief Judge Belvin Perry.
If Anthony’s lawyers want any copies of the records, the documents will be tabbed and brought before the judge.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-texas-equusearch-20100820,0,3891795.story
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WESH ADDED:
The order included restrictions that any relevant information identified by the defense will not be made public or released to the media.
http://www.wesh.com/news/24700486/detail.html
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This seems like a “great resolution!” Dumb/Dumber won’t be able to do the Searcher’s what they did to KRONK! If Dumb/Dumber won’t to point fingers, they will have to JUSTIFY it to Judge P, Good Luck with That Morons! jmo!
Kim said, on August 20, 2010 at 11:12 am
How does she know its the same father?
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Kim, you might want to go to that site and ask her. She is commenting there.
Art, Interesting indeed.
LindaNY, WTH? Exactly what I thought. That is why I brought it here.
Fed Up said…
Caroline said…
“My friends child actually has the same farther as Caylee and they were close.”
Tuesday, 17 August, 2010
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Peter,
This comment disturbs me assuming she meant “father” not farther. There is a real person behind those words who appears to have information that has not been revealed to date. Do you intend to send the information on this person to OCSO so that she can be interviewed to back up the claim that she knows who the father of Caylee is?
Wednesday, 18 August, 2010
So far Peter hasn’t answered my direct question but he did say anyone was free to copy his analysis and send it to LE.
Add to my comment, why wouldn’t this be relevant in so much as if the father is still alive; wouldn’t you think that he would need to be interviewed. Add to that, Caylee would have had a half sibling. Maybe this is all smoke and mirrors by the one and only Cindy Anthony posing as Caroline. Any thoughts?
Oh my ……. are we starting with questioning Cayle’s father? Why is this relevant to the case???
Unless, of course, there exists evidence that HE, whoever he is …. if not dead …. committed the crime?
That claim of same father is BS…all one has to do is consider the person who made the claim was heaping praise on the Anthonys…
It is amazing what complete and total BS people fall for
Don’t kill the messenger RS. I didn’t say I believed it and I haven’t fallen out of a tree, well not lately anyway.
I wasn’t trying to kill the messenger, just stating the obvious..
one thing for sure, is they have no idea who the father is or else that side of the family would be seeking court order to have that family cease using Caylee’s image for profit, among other…
Ah, but RS, if per chance there is a remote possibility maybe said family is not willing to undergo the scrutiny that so many have in this case. God knows they would be thrown under Cindy’s Greyhound. I just have a gut feeling this person Caroline might be the friend of Cindy’s who sits next her in court throwing out a curve ball.
I am thrilled with Judge P’s order today, it now makes “sense that Baez/Mason looked so beaten down” at their “News Conference” they called after their closed door meeting with Judge P.
The resolution, imo, is a good one, I hope it is one that T Miller can live with, the names WILL NOT be released & it really “jams up Baez as far as point fingers at SUDDI, he will have to JUSTIFY a name to Judge P, jmo, Judge P won’t suffer the fishing expedition that the Defense had hoped.
What does anyone else think about Judge P’s ruling, I posted both links & the information up thread?
fed up
a set of grandparents would not be timid of media over something like that…
and for sure if defense or any of those associated with defense had any idea who the father is they’d be chasing him or his family members, roommates etc…
art tart —- missed it…. what was the judge’s orders today?
Yo Hola! said, on August 20, 2010 at 11:53 am
Unless, of course, there exists evidence that HE, whoever he is …. if not dead …. committed the crime?
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Yo Hola, imo, if there were a “chance in hell of blaming Caylee’s murder on Caylee’s father, the DEFENSE would be screaming at the top of their lungs that he did it!” Bush gosh, KC would have to be “honest with her attorney’s to tell them who the father is, & she will LIE until the bitter end” imo. It’s not even plausible imo.
A blogger posted here a couple of weeks ago it could have possibly been an accident, LOL! NO, it was NO accident, if it were REMOTELY POSSIBLE that it could have been an accident, Lyon’s wouldn’t worked her tail off to try to get the DP off the table, she would have been screaming “Accident,” Lyon’s & Baden know why it wasn’t an accident, Baez/Mason too would be screaming this from the top of their lungs. It’s that “testy duct tape!” EVEN Baez/Mason “get it, guess LK Baden gave them an in-service explaining to them EXACTLY WHY the murder of Caylee was no accident. The DEFENSE is slow, but not that slow.
art tart — precisely……. therefore, I can not fathom the relevcance as to who
Caylee’s father is/was …….
Yo hola, the Judge ordered in the TES MOTIONS that have caused so much drama:
A Magistrate would oversee Mason/Baez with the documents, the Defense can take notes, tag the names, THEN, they will have to take them to JUDGE P to JUSTIFY WHY the name is of interest. We know from last yr., there were on 31 or 32 searchers in that area, what it will mean is: Mason tagged a name of a volunteer searcher 8 miles from the “remains site,” good luck with explaining WHY that is of interest to the DEFENSE, I can’t see Judge P allowing it, it isn’t reasonable.
More importantly it means:
1. The DEFENSE will not get a COPY of the 4,000 names to “VET” looking for a “Weak Link” claiming SODDI.
2. Any name, any note, any tag, request for any copy has to be JUSTIFIED & that will prove difficult, imo, as areas searched not associated with the “remains site” will have little to do with the remains site, they can’t say what the conditions were & certainly can’t say Caylee was or wasn’t there, they don’t know.
3. The defense, imo, was on a “fishing expedition” thinking they were going to VET 4,000 names, praying they would come up with a “weak link, SUDDI.” That won’t be possible now.
4. imo, the Criteria put on the DEFENSE is a direct consequence of their behavior “implying it was Kronk or Jesse G & releasing it to the media with Kronk having to have an attorney as well as Jesse G to protect themselve from the accusations.” The DEFENSE will NOT do this again with these volunteers, maybe Baez gets it now.
5. The Defense CAN NOT leak a single name to the media!
The Defense has 5 more days to go through 4,000 documents, 1 entire box contains Cost associated with the Search totaling $108,000.00. Of course the Defense could care less about the expenses. LD Burdick reviewed 4,000 names in 6 hours, B Conway reviewed the names in a couple of visits spending a couple of hours both times.
Mason/Baez better get off their butt’s & get ALL the canceled depos done & these names reviewed as they are running out of time.
jmo, M NeJames told Judge P exactly what the DEFENSE has done to review the names, NOTHING for 8 months, they showed up for 2 hours & left ONLY because NeJames “exposed them for NOT EVEN reviewing the names in Court.
This is a great win for the privacy of those that spent their time searching for sweet Caylee.
Yo Hola, I agree, there isn’t any relevance & imo, CA may know, but she & KC may have decided early on that it wouldn’t be revealed, that the entire family would work together to “raise little Caylee” & would have to share her with anyone else. just speculating.
art tart —- thanks for taking the time to fill me/us in….
Ina, law’s are not international, would you want to be placed on trial in the Middle East or Mexico?
Of course not.
Laws can even vary from state to state.
Common Wealth states have the stricter laws, and the most stringent punishments, most would rather face the devil than punishment in a commonwealth state
Here, we are very proud of our system of justice, laws are voted on, the citizen has a lot to say in our justice system, the Supreme Court is where the fairness and correctness of our laws are put to the test, yes there are areas where change would be welcomed, but over all our system is to insure fairness under the law.
A person once tried can not be subjected a second time if a jury finds them not guilty, otherwise a person could conceivably be placed on trial until the prosecution received a plea they liked.
While this does mean that at times a guilty person walks free, it holds the state accountable and makes them make sure they indeed have all the evidence needed and feel sure they have charged the right person.
Laws are not all about punishment, they are about protection, insuring that the strong do not overpower the weak, they are about security and fairness allowing our citizens to rest easier knowing they are protected.
Good Defense Attorney’s have been the core of our legal system, they are the ones that are the watchdogs and challenge laws they see as unfair to the people.
Note I said “GOOD DEFENSE ATTORNEY’S” ones like Jose’ sadly are often the ones we see and they give a distinguished profession a very bad name, they are the rotten apple that spoils the whole basket.
My hope in this post to you is that you will consider some of your past statements and finally understand we do not mind when you ask about how our laws work, but we do get very offended when you call our system stupid or call us idiots.
I am sure there are laws in your country we would find odd, but they are the laws set out by your society and citizenship and are not fodder for our idea’s.
All we ask is that you respect our country’s wisdom on our laws, you may disagree of course, even we do not agree on all of them, please pull back on your personal attacks and show some reverence for a system that belongs to our country, and realize you are not at liberty to defy our system, unless you come to our country and break a law, then you can challenge away in one of our courts.
Sorry for the long winded post today, guess I just felt perhaps it was worth an appeal.
Yo hola, here are the links, I love it when people share their thoughts or interpretations on rulings, PDF’s etc., but I like to read them too as some of us view things differently:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-texas-equusearch-20100820,0,3891795.story
http://www.wesh.com/news/24700486/detail.html
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2010/august/139801/Judge-allows-Casey-defense-to-look-at-Equusearch-records
Art:
While Jokin Jose’ is touting this as a great win for his team the truth is the ruling is not all that different that what Judge Strickland laid out months back.
Jose has always had the ability to look at those records, he just wanted to stall & delay net pick and whine, this he was doing so there would be grounds for an appeal.
Judge Perry protected the searchers as did Strickland, but this finally puts to rest any hope of an appeal on this issue.
Jose will not have a leg to stand on if he tries to say he was denied access, the court can show he has had ample access and ample time to view the records.
BTW, anyone else having a problem logging into their wordpress account?
RS said, on August 20, 2010 at 12:26 pm
fed up
a set of grandparents would not be timid of media over something like that…
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Unless of course that they are of questionable character and or the father if he is still alive. Bottom line is, that it is the best kept secret of the Anthonys. Why?
If the father were still alive and of questionable character then he too would be looking for his piece of the take and we’d know who he is from that..
no matter how you slice it, that post was pure and simple BS posted by some nut claiming some connection to the anthonys…
He’s dead—– and no matter —– I believe it’s a non-issue to this case………….
judypc, imo, where the “pissing match will begin” will be when Baez/Mason tag a log of name not remotely close to the search area, then TES has a problem with it. THEN, the Defense will have to “justify WHY they want the names, NeJames will explain to Judge P that they were no where “near the remains site, the Defense is just on a fishing expedition.” I think Defense/NeJames will continue to argue about this, but Judge P “doesn’t suffer fools lightly,” it’s time for the Defense to buckle down & try a viable, believable defense for KC & quit wasting time. 5 more days to view the 4,000 names, tic toc!
It hasn’t been proven that Caylee’s father is dead. Casey told different stories to people about who the father was, and as we know, Casey has been proven to be a liar. Either way, it doesn’t make much difference to the case unless the father had something to do with the death of little Caylee. I, for one, think Casey doesn’t even know who the father is. She seems to me to have bit promiscuous.
There is no proof the father of Caylee is dead…..
…seems there is plenty of indication they have no idea who the father is…
have been*
Damn, RS…great minds think alike, eh? LOL
Well I guess I have a great mind too, LOL!
I was going to say the same thing…no proof whatsoever WHO the father is and IF he is dead. The only person who relayed that info is Casey. And Cindy backs it up. It was a good story to tell her Mother (and Father) after Cindy said “YOU”RE PREEEEEGNAAAANT ??!!!!! Whos’ the Father. YOU ARE GETTING CHILD SUPPORT!!!” So, ZERO credibility cinsidering the source.
BULLSH– !. Casey has NO idea who the Father is.
(BTW, IIRC, besides the dead father story, didn’t Cindy and/or Lee say they would never “reveal” the identity of the father-As usual a convoluted story when it comes to Casey Anthony.)
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art, Judy—thank you again for your comments and info…
Hi all,
I agree, they probably don’t know who the father is, he and his family would make very good scapegoats for the Anthony’s and they haven’t gone after them.
Also, wouldn’t it make sense that if they knew him they would have told the cops at the time they FINALLY reported Caylee missing? He and/or his family would have been a good place to start looking for her.
Let me make sure I am on the right track here…
After the info given about the 32 searchers, Baez complained that he wanted to see all 4,000 searchers. Then was given access to look throught the 4,000 searchers, but complained coz he had to go to Mark’s office to look through the boxes, complained the boes weren;t “lablled” (well maybe that is just how TES does their filing-too bad!).
Then he complained that he could not bring a pen and paper (to take “notes”).
So NOW, he can bring a pen and paper, I am assuming the boxes still are not labelled, and he can look at them at another location overseen by a magistrate (just like the forensic evidence).
So, if I AM on track…there was NO big win. Is bringing a pen and paper a bif win to them???
HI, T2M.
Nothing at all makes any sense with this family.
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“Big” win, not *bif
Where is Bees?
LindaNewYork, here’s the PDF on Judge P’s ruling with TES/Defense:
Click to access Order%20on%20Motion%20to%20Quash%20the%20Courts%20Order%20on%20Defendants%20Application%20for%20Subpoena%20Duces%20Tecum%20for%20the%20Documents%20in%20Possession%20of%20Texas%20Equusearch%20for%20Bad%20Faith%208-19-2010.pdf
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Basically, it is the same ORDER except:
1. The Documents will be taken somewhere else, undisclosed thus far, for viewing by the Defense.
2. They will be able to take notes, BUT, if they won’t be able to a copy anything, the STATE & NeJames will have to agree or understand the relevance for releasing the information. IF they don’t agree, then Judge P will hear the argument & make the decision if the information can be copied to DEFENSE.
3. The privacy of the Volunteer Searcher’s will be protected, the DEFENSE CANNOT leak, or disclose any names or information to the MEDIA without the consent from NeJame/State/Judge P.
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imo, the Problem for the Defense is THEY CAN’T MAKE COPIES! For example, Mason has already tagged a searcher 8 miles from the “remains site!” That searcher would NOT know if Caylee’s remain were there OR the soil conditions. imo, NeJames would argue against this information being released to the Defense or copied, Judge P would make the call.
4,000 names, 5 days to do it in, although LD Burdick did it in 6 Hours,Conway did it in several hours, but of course she wasn’t looking to “blame Caylee’s murder on anyone that came out to search.
Baez “basically argued that he would APPEAL if he didn’t get what he wanted, from what I have read today, Baez WILL NOT be able to appeal on any grounds, he is being afforded full access, he’s just being supervised & he isn’t getting the copies of the 4,000 searchers names, he is going to have to “work to look at the documents, try to figure out WHO might be interesting & then he will have to explain to Judge P WHY if NeJames objects.
Ina said, on August 14, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Paranoide bs, pardon me lol. The hinky meter was also the blog with the six chapters so called professional analyses about Casey Anthony’s mental state, without the writer ever been close to her? Just don’t believe everything you read on blogs. There IS reasonable doubt, so why need a conspiracy theory? Let the prosecution prove she is guilty, and if they can’t do it, let it be.
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Oh my goodness….what a wicked little liar Ina has become! WRONG, Ina…and you know it. The six part series going over the Eraser Killer profile and MY OPINION of how Casey matches it was never called “a professional analysis” (or even an analySES). In fact, I think you – or anybody else who wants to see what a stinky little liar you are – could easily check that in multiple places through-out that six part analySIS, I made it clear I have no formal psychology background.
Now…while I absolutely agree with you that the words of any given blogger (professional, unprofessional, semi-professional, bush-league or outback) should be taken as something to CONSIDER and then either DECIDE that it is LOGICAL, ACCURATE, and CAN BE ACCEPTED, OR BULLCRAP, MORONIC, and WRONG and therefore REJECTED, I find it curious how you selectively choose the blogs you decide to REJECT based solely on their POSITION. In my case, that position being about as controverted to yours as one could get – without having to turn my avatar to a nice shade of blue to diametrically oppose your carotine orange square that repeats at some odd natural frequency on this board.
So I’ve notice that for my blog, you don’t necessarily have anything that mimics intelligent commentary against my blog, but just little sophomoric jabs and false-light insinuations at it because it just doesn’t set well with your decision to parade your endless (what I believe to be FAKED) confusion over how in the world another country’s judicial system could possibly operate contrary to the operating guidelines YOU would create for it.
It got old a long time ago, Ina.
In regards to the TES volunteers, do you think they’re looking for Joy Wray’s form? A little voice keeps telling me that’s what they’re looking for. I remember seeing video of her hanging out at the site after the remains were found. She would make an excellent suspect……
OMG -VAL AND SILVER – I Love you! Thank you for stating for EVERYONE has been trying to say for MONTHS – Craig / Billl are you listening? Can you please start doing what others have done months ago and STOP this crap? If so TIA…..if not…well it is what it is….
Valhal, Ina shows up on this blog to “argue baseless theories & insult,” she is beyond “tiresome” & some will not comment here because of her, she comments here because sadly this blog isn’t monitored & she has been “banned from some sights that do monitor, which is most Blogs.” She stops by daily to “harp on the same ole BS.”
Silverbuilit, LOL! She certainly would fit the description of “SUDDI!” What a nut job!
LindaNewYork, also a possibility, KC doesn’t know who Caylee’s dad was, the lie upon lie KC has told leaves me feeling like I would NEVER believe anything she ever said again, just like I don’t believe anything Misty Croslin now says about the murder of little Haleigh.
Morgan! Ditto!
Valhall said, on August 20, 2010 at 7:32 pm and many other times***********
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Your intelligence and common sense shows and is much appreciated.
What? No response from Ina in defense of herself? Lol.
I hope all of you truly wonderful people have a really good weekend!
Talk to ya’ later, for sure.
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Silverbuilt –
I dunno why they would need to come across Joy’s form when she’s been handing herself on a silver platter to the defense for a loooong time. They don’t need her form to track her down, she’s hanging in the local trees or vacationing in the local looney bin.
The person Fed up quoted – claiming that their friend lived with the Anthony’s for a while and that their friend’s son had the same father as Caylee is an idiot.
Yeah, I’m sure LE would skip riiiiight over that. SURE!
No one lived with the Anthony’s for any length of time. It would have been mentioned in their LE interviews & depositions and that person would have been interviewed and on the witness list as well.
In fact, they’d probably be like a star-witness.
Pshaw.
About any possible plea deals – I’ll paste Bill Sheaffer’s answer to that question on his previous questions & answers article….
QUESTION: Also, I’d like to ask, with this new defense team do you think they will try to convince Casey to go for a plea? They have never wavered so far in saying she wants her day in court and she’s innocent – Deb S.
BILL SHEAFFER: As to possible plea offers, competent criminal defense lawyers would not close the door to plea negotiations with the State. However, in this case, I do not believe a resolution by way of a plea is likely. One reason is that this is a circumstantial evidence case that lacks a “smoking gun” or a confession.
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And I take last part of his answer to mean that since the cause of death of Caylee is unknown, there is no “true” confession she could give as to how she was killed. They wouldn’t be able to confirm if her confession was true because there is no evidence to back it up with.
I wonder what a “smoking gun” would be – I guess it could maybe a specific piece of direct evidence. Say… maybe an object used to kill her that was in the trunk of Casey’s car that just so happened to be coincidentally cleaned out thoroughly by dear old gramma!
Any ideas on what the smoking gun part of Bill’s answer means exactly?
Hi val, good to know you don’t take your own stuff serious. So you are an amateur psychiatrist? I don’t see what you know about Casey to analyse what she does, you haven’t even met her, spoken to her yet you make it as if it is science on your blog. And I am not a liar btw.
My avatar seems to upset a lot of people, big deal? I am a friendly person, just looking for answers, not pretending to know them, but friendly people are not commenting here anymore, they get chased off. And questions are not allowed to be asked it seems.
Reject solitairy on their position? pfff
I am not impressed with that kind of bs that is all 🙂
There is no smoking gun: That must mean there is no concrete evidence woobabie. ? 🙂
Competent defense lawyers would not close the door. But in this case…
I think this means mr Sheaffer doesn’t think the defense is competent. Now this means the defendant might be not rightfully represented. How can there be a fair trial?
Who is to make sure she will get a good defense team? Is there some authority looking after that?
WooBabie said, on August 21, 2010 at 3:55 am —
–“smoking gun” ……. eye witness or verifiable direct evidence……. non exists that we know of yet ..
And val, I only visited your blog twice I think, only to see how you try do deform the accused character by phony assumptions about her personality, (I didn’t see you saying that it was just your opinion btw, must have missed that part) and once when you tried to make us believe the blanket on the pic was the same as the sheet in the crime scene, or the other way around, and they were not the same Winny the Pooh designs at all , so that is why I start thinking it is bs and stopped reading 🙂 I therefore don’t know if the rest is okay, I can’t be the judge of that, btw, all this is just my opinion too. People can say as they please I suppose about this case. Scary to see how people take stuff for truth when it is just not. One of them might be juror number 12.
I am sure some one will bring up the ductape as smoking gun. That is getting old too. There is no smoking gun, the circumstancial evidence is not enough for a conviction and the only way those who want Casey to be killed, is to make sure a juror thinks the blogs are all writing the truth. As the blogs don’t have any (self) censorship and are the media in this case that have influence, and are read across the world, so also where the jurors will come from, it is dramatic. Just look at what happened to the former Judge in this case because of blogs. (Not that I think MD was entirely to blame, but it would have helped if he had sticked to the truth about the judge and him).
I see bloggers approaching the family and making up stories and it is not doing this case much good either. And this was jmo. Maybe I see it wrong. I have tried to be polite and sensere commenting here, but that was not appreciated, so I just say it as I see it now.
Sincere. 🙂 I do know how to spell that.
Silverbullit:
Has anyone ever really taken Joy to be for real?
EGADS if they are pinning there hopes on her then dare I say the ship is doomed to sink.
Talk about your basket of assorted nuts, YIKES that one is over flowing and their all cracked!!
See I started my first post with TYPOS!!
I seem to be unable to log onto my wordpress accpount, is anyone else having this little problem?
Val, Good Morning, good ta see ya.
art, thanks for all that info above re: the Judge’s motion.
Hello Woobaby. I took Bill’s professionsl view as the defense feeling they could “win” because it is ONLY a “cirumstantial” case. And the defense believing no “concrete” vidence (smoking gun). But in my unprofessional view, there are plenty of murderer’s convicted on circumstantial evidence only. I think she will be convicted on that circumstantial evidence.
A big thanks to Valhall for her eloquent response to the carotine orange one.
It’s the free speech thing, one piece of devious Eurotrash is allowed to disrupt and run rampant on here…
RS, I agree, RS.
I cringe when I see the carotine orange comments. Same old same old. It’s better to just ignore until ya just can’t anymore. She is comical, though. She knows she gets on people’s nerves and enjoys it.
Smoldering gun evidence:
A mother who never dials 911 for her kid, is forced to speak with LE. The guilty try their best to hide what they have done.
A mother who repeatedly lies when forced to speak to LE. The guilty try their best to hide what they have done.
A mother who lies about the kid for weeks on end prior to LE being engaged to hide the fact the child is gone….The guilty try their best to hide what they have done.
A decomp hair matching Caylee mito DNA in the trunk of the liar mother’s car and cadaver dogs alerting to the trunk as well as a detective testifying he smelled human decomp.
The body found less than a half mile from the liar mother’s home, phone records indicating revisit scene of body location even though the liar mother had moved out…..
Bedding and laundry bag matching items in the liar mother’s home found among remains of the kid.
RARE duct tape found at the liar mother’s home and wrapped around skull remains of kid..
Oh yeah, sure there is no smoking gun here, sure there isn’t…there is, it is just broken into small pieces that have to be reassembled for the jury…
I am sure the defense does’t find any of that to be a smoking gun! But I do.
It’s too bad there isn’t an ignore feature on wordpress that commenters could use, instead of leaving it up to the blog moderator. I think it is much-needed here, since there are a couple of people who like to come stir the chit.
Or maybe a redacting feature that would simply blacken her spew out
GM ya’ll! RS – I think the prosecution will reassemble the ‘smoking gun’ to a T
Or a “block” feature, like “junk” mail.
I am surprised Cindy Anthony hasn’t been on TV yet decrying Brad Conway for quitting her. We all know how she feels about people dumping her….
If she did speak about it, her version would be that she fired him. LOL
Well, of course it would! Even though his statement has been published in black and white!
I wonder what her version will be because she will have one
Woobabie, great post & question. jmo, in the “exclusions to the SUNSHINE Law, Wendy Murphy wrote in that article, it’s not the evidence that is released to the public, it is all the evidence that is not released.” She then said, “what is being with held, of course the defense gets it, but not to the public because it is too prejudicial.” I started thinking, there is so much we don’t know, like, what about that scumbag D Casey? Did he get full immunity? He isn’t on the depo list for either side, who really sent close to the remains site w/Hoover to make a video? He Sheaffer said it would be: GA/LA/CA/Baez. imo, this is very important, were they going to plant evidence or move the remains?
Woobabie, remember when in a DOC Dump, it said that GA/CA/LA were cleared of “finger prints” but we don’t know “if they have a print or partial of KC’s.” Valhal did a good piece awhile back about all the items we don’t know about, if they have prints.”
RS: all good points!
For anyone wondering what evidence is still outstanding, or will not be released to us, or the reports aren’t back, etc. GNATCHER started this list & it is “overwhelming” at the evidence we don’t know about, much I had forgotten about.
A MUST READ if you are wondering about “outstanding evidence or reports.” Scroll down to GNATCHER’S post, the list must be several pages long. For those few that “whine there isn’t enough evidence, look at the evidence we don’t know about!”
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82951&page=27
don’t you folks think that the bomb will be the duct tape which excluded Cindy, george and lee’s prints?
C, very well could be, it’s difficult to work with, the “exclusion of KC’s print or prints, leads me to believe there is a print on something.
I personally believe that it WILL be that duct tape. Casey’s prints weren’t eliminated on the tape, only G,C, and L’s prints.
Hal Boedecker says: “What public-relations advice would you give George and Cindy?”
The only thing I can say is stay home, put black curtains on all the windows and SHUT THE HELL UP you marooons.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/08/casey-anthony-what-public-relations-advice-would-you-give-george-cindy-anthony.html/comment-page-1#comment-105895
We do know there is at least one finger print, it shows up in the doc dumps and is not tagged which sends my red flag somewhat on the rise, and as pointed out only Casey is not listed as excluded in the clan.
We also have not seen all of the FBI evidence, or “all” of the test done at the Body Farm in Tennessee.
We have not seen all of the L.E investigative reports.
We have not seen Cindy’s credit card statements, nor have we seen a full phone record on her, George, and Lee.
We still have Dominick Casey’s supposed deal with L.E. and his full involvement explained, I.E. who sent him to that lot and what was he told to look for?
We have not seen full forensic reports for the evidence taken from the body site, we have just seen the base reports.
We have not seen all the reports on items taken from the house.
We have not seen Georges 8 page suicide note, or his Grand jury statement.
There is Much we have not been privy to as yet, the above is not even a dent in the bucket.
There were a few things one of my sources that was helping with my book talked about that has yet to be explained in any detail.
And if what he told me is correct believe me there are a couple of real zingers yet to hit the fan.
And as R.S. pointed out above those things alone are pretty smoking hot on there own.
It just seems to me that if Casey had a shot (in the dark) Lyon would still be on the job
Agreed, Kim.
Not so sure Casey’s fingerprint is on the tape. If it was and the defense knows that there is no reason at all to go the miles they have. And I don’t believe judge perry would allow them to keep delaying either. But! If her fingerprint is on the tape that was covering
Caylee’s mouth they still have to prove it was to murder Caylee and not put there afterward. Wouldn’t they?
Rock~~it is my understanding that the prosecution can withhold evidence up to and within 2 weeks prior to the commencement of the trial. They cannot withhold evidence that could help prove Casey is not guilty. I always stand to be corrected if I am wrong.
If there was a fingerprint of Casey’s on the duct tape, it could prove that Casey was present shortly after the commission of the crime. If there is a fingerprint, which I doubt, it would almost have to be a partial one.
Thanks Snoopysleuth, I am surprised they may be able to withhold such evidence if they have it. It just seems to do that is costing the taxpayers when it all could be brought to
trial almost immediately. I suspect there probably is not one or else not enough to use as the most incriminating fact to convict her. Then there is the thought that if she did suffocate Caylee with the tape was she smart enough to cover her hands, gloves?? what happened to them. No fingerprint, covered her hand, premeditated, fingerprint, or slight
fingerprint of Casey’s, could indicate no plan at the time, anger, careless to protect herself or still possibly put on after death. Then there is the pool thing that came up a long time ago. Could she have taped Caylee, put her in the pool, would that have destroyed the fingerprints. i better stop, it just goes around and around.
I don’t believe water would have destroyed fingerprints on the sticky side of the tape, but possibly would wash away prints on the non-sticky side. I watch a lot of shows about forensics, and have seen a technique scientists use to find latent prints by using superglue. It’s called the cyanoacrylate fuming method. So IMO, it is possible that there is a print and the state just hasn’t turned over that evidence to the defense yet, or the crime lab may not have even released their findings.
Rock~~this is all speculation on my part. After the choke hold fight with Cindy, Casey grabbed Caylee up and left the house. I tend to think that Caylee was murdered around 11pm on the night of June 15/08. Caylee was crying for her g/mother and Casey, in a fit of rage, smothered the child by blocking off her airways. The duct tape may have been left in Casey’s trunk after she used some to cover one of the gas can that she had stolen.
If the above took place, just reaching for the duct tape can be classified as premeditation. Premeditation can take place during the commission or minutes before committing the crime.
As with Scott Peterson, we will never know what really happened. I cannot see Casey taking a plea and throwing herself on the mercy of Judge Perry. I think the prosecution feels confident with the evidence they have to not offer a plea and it doesn’t look like Cheney Mason can get the DP off the table.
Mixologist~~it is amazing how they can lift latent prints. Let’s hope you are right and the prosecution does have a print.
What was cindy trying to say here:
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GRACE: Did she tell all along that Caylee was at the amusement park, that Caylee was with you, that Caylee was at these various places and none of that was true.
C. ANTHONY: No. What she told the sheriff`s department all along was that she was kidnapped by Zenaida and, you know — and that`s what she`s maintained. She told me, you know, some things during the month of June because she was trying to look for her and tried to get her back herself.
And when that didn`t work, that`s when, you know, she was — you know, came clean with the other. But, again, the description of the person that she described to the police on July 16th is the same description of that Dallas tip.
Sept.2, 2008 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/02/ng.01.html
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Is cindy saying that casey hinted to her in JUNE that something had happened to Caylee? And she did nothing?
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That’s a thought Snoopysleuth, then there is the phone conversation she had with Tony that lasted so long, who was on the computer the next morning, and George would have lied when he said he saw Casey leave with Caylee. It all Sure has my brain fried. lol AND Cindy “heard” them sleeping before going to work. By the way who was on the computer that morning? Was that when Cindy wrote about Casey taking her Caylee away? omg.
To unbold put this in at the end of what you want bolded.
Frankie my code would not show put a / before the ‘b’ to unbold and within these ‘s…
Cindy wrote my Caylee is Missing on July 03/08. Cindy found something out on July 3rd that made her go to Casey work to see her and she also sent Lee out that night trying to track Casey down at a club.
Sorry my code will not show properly to cancel the tag for bold… I would have to write it verticle and in separate comment boxes.
http://www.redwop.com/technotes.asp?ID=1
Interesting read ~ lifting latent prints
*sticky tape
http://www.vastacademy.com.au/vsp_subcat/3/62
Chemical Lift -Duct tape
Sticky-side powder~ confident latent print[s] lifted.
Bite arch radius found on the duct tape? Question only because I can not find anything in the evidence photos to enhance. Anyone?
Thanks SS. LOL Thank goodness I don’t often use html, since I know nothing about it!
I agree with your scenario. I think she killed Caylee in a rage. If I understand the law, premeditation would come in since it took time to place 3 pieces of tape, giving her time to remove the tape when she saw Caylee struggling to breathe….{{{{{{shudder}}}}}.
I also agree that cindy was in a tizzy on July 3, but I do not buy that she knew Caylee was dead when she made the 911 calls. I additionally believe that george smelled the odor in the trunk on gas can day. I personally he is just such a spineless worm that he didn’t pursue an answer as his training and experience certainly indicated would be advisable.
Frankie~~ when George went to Johnson’s towing and smelled a decomp odor, he never should have touched or opened that trunk. He should have dialed 911 right away. Once the Pontiac ended up back at Hopespring, Cindy and/or George erased any prints etc by cleaning it.
I believe George knew a human was deceased in that car and he knew Casey most likely was up to her neck in what ever happened so he didn’t dare call 911. Hence also the reason for the car being cleaned out. That death smell no one forgets the odor would have panicked normal people since they did not know where Caylee was at this point, nor did they physically have their hands on Casey at this point either, so the first thing they would have thought and done was call 911 at the tow yard immediately. If you notice George never has said that i can recall anyway that Casey is innocent, he just says i don’t want to think my daughter could be responsible for any of this going on, or like his fbi statement was i don’t want to believe my daughter could be capable of hurting another human being.
What i would like to know is what does Lee Anthony have immunity for?
Lee Anthony was given ‘use immunity’ when the state attorney deposed him in July/09. If Lee lied during that deposition and it could be proven, the ‘use immunity’ would become null and void. He could then be charged with perjury.
All the evidence of nthe prosecution have to be given to the defense as well and in time, so how can there be evidence that the defense doesn’t know about? And if the defense knows there is evidence that would nail Casey, then why would they not go for a plea? Just a question. I think there is nothing. Greetings from Eurotrash 🙂
Lyon left cause of time issues or money issues, no reason to suggest she left because there is no chance of winning the case. JMO 🙂
WHY was Lee given immunity? Because he is her brother? And what does that mean, he was questioned in a hearing along with his mother? So what exactly does immunity mean?
Thanks for explaining any one 🙂
So when you go to get your car and you smell a bad smell, you are suspicious if you open the trunk and try and make the bad smell go away? Isn’t it the first thing you do? No one thinks of a corps right away, or a crime?
Now I am of for a while, so miss me!
All of them (G, C & A) got it when deposed by the State. I recall Maurapedia stating that it is something automatically granted for any witness being deposed and wasn’t specific to the Anthony’s.
I’ll try to find the link or paste a snippet.
Here we are – ALL the witnesses the State subpoenas for depositions & testimony at trial automatically receive Use Immunity.
» Maura said: { Jul 6, 2010 – 01:07:21 }
Anyone who receives a subpoena from the Florida State Attorney’s Office and is thereby compelled to testify as part of a criminal investigation or trial receives Use Immunity (aka Use and Derivative Use Immunity) per Florida Statute 914.01.
Use Immunity (aka Use and Derivative Use Immunity) means that neither the statements of the witness nor any evidence derived from investigating those statements may be used against the witness. However, should the prosecution acquire evidence substantiating the supposed crime — independent of the witness’s statements or investigation of the witness’s statements — the witness may then be prosecuted for same and additionally may be prosecuted for crimes that are unrelated to the subject matter for which the testimony was compelled but that were discovered in the course of the investigation.
On March 17, 2009, the SAO released a list of witnesses who would be subpoenaed by the state to testify at Casey’s trial. I haven’t seen the list, but the names reported by media included Cindy, George, Lee, Shirley Plesea, Brian Burner, KioMarie Cruz, Tony Lazzaro, and employees of Mount Dora Nursing Home. It’s a safe bet that every civilian witness on the state’s witness list is going to be issued a subpoena for their trial testimony. Witnesses also receive subpoenas for depositions and hearing testimony because those events are part of the investigation and/or trial (in the sense of pre-trial work.
The immunity only holds when the witness offers truthful testimony. If an immunized witness lies under oath, the perjury would be liable to prosecution. A subpoena issued by a Florida State Attorney’s Office is not a license to lie.
Whoops, I forgot my Blog-etiquette.
Here’s the source for that link.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/05/miscellaneous-topics-on-the-caylee-marie-anthony-case-%e2%80%93-part-23/
snoopysleuth said, on August 21, 2010 at 9:45 pm
Cindy wrote my Caylee is Missing on July 03/08. Cindy found something out on July 3rd that made her go to Casey work to see her and she also sent Lee out that night trying to track Casey down at a club.
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snoopysleuth said, on August 21, 2010 at 9:45 pm
Cindy wrote my Caylee is Missing on July 03/08. Cindy found something out on July 3rd that made her go to Casey work to see her and she also sent Lee out that night trying to track Casey down at a club.
Cindy found out that Casey lied to her *gasp!*.
She said she spoke to Casey that morning and she told her Caylee was in Universal at a kid’s event while she was working. Cindy wanted to come get Caylee to spend the day with her, so she drove down, paid the $10 parking fee and went up to the Guest Services area and called Casey on her cell phone to bring Caylee to her. Casey answered and said “oh, we’re in Jacksonville with Jeff & Zack – my boss decided to give me extra time off because of everything I went through with Zanny’s accident and all and since Caylee’s been with a sitter SO much lately this will be like a vacation for us”. So Cindy says she was “perturbed, to say the least” and went on to say that when she, Lee and Casey get upset, they tend to “write”, so she created the MySpace to “write” her feelings out to her, hoping she’d respond because she’s confused and pissed. Then Lee I think finds out on MySpace that Casey is supposed to be at a local club that night and tells Cindy and Cindy sends him out. And that’s how all that goes. There’s way more details, I was trying to summarize.
It’s starts on this subject on page 56 of Cindy’s State Deposition Part 2. I’m already tired of reading it. The woman takes 10 pages to explain one damn thing.
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Frankie, thanks for that link to the NG show of 9/2/08. Wow. Reading it now, after two years of this case, is a real eye opener. Glad to have been able to read it without hearing NG’s voice. Just fascinating. Poor Tim Miller was trying to be so polite. We didn’t know then that he had been thrown out of the house by Cindy. He was a gentleman about it on TV. Cindy? Cindy was just Cindy, doing what she does best, i.e., being Cindy.
WooBabie:
Or anyone else that might recall.
Lee got a deal for something more than use immunity, his lawyer made a statement to the press when he reported he was no longer needed.
” I was able to get the Immunity deal worked out for Lee so my services are no longer needed”
Up to that point he had said many times “Lee had done something that he could be arrested for, or they expected an arrest at any time.
To my knowledge no details have ever been released as to what the deal was, what it was Lee had done that he could have been arrested for.
Now, I wonder if at trial we will learn about this.
And anyone have any idea’s what Lee may be guilty of?
I think he covered up that they knew Caylee was dead, and he knew where the body was, I also think he may have planted evidence somewhere to lead police away from that grave lot.
Lee got what everybody else gets when SAO lists them as witness and serves them, depos them…
He got nothing more than anyone else in same situation as he was in sitting to answer questions…
What his attorney was talking about back then was while he was listed as a witness by SAO he had not yet been served…..
Woobabie posted the details above of these circumstances.
R.S.
I know the Use Immunity is automatic, but I got the sense there was more to Lee’s.
Because of Luka’s use of words, just seems Luka would not have been that concerned if Use immunity was all that was involved, he would have said oh well, no biggie it’s a given.
Many times he said “Lee had done something that he could be arrested for”
Since then Lee has been way in the back drop of things, he all but dug a hole and crawled into it to stay out of the light.
Hey, I could be very wrong, but I do think there was more to Lee’s deal, but I will admit that I suspect that whole clan of being crooks, imagine that lol.
You know I have never ever been a fan of the A’s, so maybe I am just following my gut feeling that they are all evil.
I think george smelled the odor in the trunk on gas can day. He changed his story a couple of times, but basically he ended up saying he reached in the trunk and later that he was at the bumper on the passenger side. I think casey threw the gas cans at him and hauled butt. He KNEW that smell and, IMO, suspected that casey had had a dead body in her trunk, but didn’t connect it to Caylee because he didn’t want to believe that casey would do such a thing. Then when he picked up the car, again, he knew and so did cindy that there had been a body there. That’s why they became so desperate to find Caylee…to get her away from the mess her mother created, but I don’t think cindy knew at that time that it was Caylee…her mind wouldn’t let her go there. I think george was beginning to believe the worse. When told that Caylee was gone, george expressed, as far as we know, no real anguished surprise. I think the truth was beginning to dawn on him that the odor he had smelled was Caylee.
From her statement on NG that I posted above, I believe casey was hinting in JUNE that something was amiss with Caylee. cindy, IMO, dismissed her BS as DRAMA. I think the Myspace posting was designed to make casey feel guilty and bring Caylee back or a veiled threat aimed at casey, because cindy was beginning to be terrified for her safety. casey didn’t respond to the post. cindy became desperate and sent lee out searching. But something happened on July 3rd to be a catalyst to that post and lee’s wild search.
BBL…gotta go cook! LOL
Nope, Lee got nothing more than others similarly situated get….
judypc, I agree, I think Lee was worried about “being charged,” for what I don’t know. Remember when LE said, “LA knows what he’s done.” I thought maybe when he went to Tony L’s to retrieve KC’s belongings, including the lap top that he deleted a lot of information from it. BUT, Computer Forensic people can retrieve that Data from what I understand.
LP used to complain on NG about Lee having a “black notebook of information” & repeatedly ask if LE ever got the “notebook.”
Woobabie, thanks for the link, just speculating, remember when LA was interested in “being a private investigator.” I got the impression he was working w/DC, &, if DC got “full immunity & rolled on the ANT’s, unless LA has told them everything or, DC implicated LA is some type of obstruction, LA could be in deep poop & would lose his “use immunity.”
I’m just speculating, D Casey, imo, has always been the wild card & apparently from his emails, a nut job, BUT, DC/Hoover were sent to the “remains sight, Mr. Sheaffer said it would have been CA/LA/GA/KC or Baez. I wonder what happened w/the Investigative Depo he was to do? The STATE abruptly canceled, it wasn’t rescheduled, & Diane Tennet filed a “termination of services w/DC statiing her job was completed.” There isn’t a depo scheduled for DC that I know of.
Snoopy, thanks for answering my immunity question for Lee.
LEGAL EGOS? LAWYER’S TAKE SHOTS AT ONE ANOTHER IN CASEY ANTHONY CASE!
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-lawyer-wars-20100821,0,4101168.story
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T Lenamon has a good article on WHY he doesn’t think Casey will receive the “death penalty.”
http://www.deathpenaltyblog.com/casey-anthony-and-the-death-penalty-i-give-my-opinion-to-the-orlando-sentinel/
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Excellent commentary by Sproket on the latest order by Judge P on TES/Defense. It’s titled, “Second Verse, Same As the First!”
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/
knight owl~~you are very welcome. I just put a short version but the others here explained it in more depth.
When Lee said at the memoriaL, “CMA, I will keep my promise to you.” Maybe not in those exact words but they did leave alot to be the imagination. Keeping his promise to a deceased niece did not seem to be appropriate. I think he was sending a message to Casey. His speech could be videod on his laptop for Casey to view.
I wonder if Dominic Casey turned states evidence. He definitely is not a fan of Baez and we may be in for some surprises when Dom takes the witness stand at the trial. After Oct 1st, when Dom quit with Baez, the attorney/client privalege should have ended and not been in effect when Dom did his searches out at Suburban on 3 different occasions in Nov/08. Cindy did say that she had someone do a walk through out at Suburban and it would have been none other than D Casey.
judy pc. i got the sense there was more to Lee’s immunity as well and was why i was asking the question. I remember his attorney saying what you stated in your post too and wondered what was it that Lee could get arrested for. As close as Lee and Casey are i think there is more than we know that went down between those two and their coded jail talks.
What do any of you think the Anthony’s would have done with Caylee’s remains had Dominic Casey found her? I say none of us would never have known she was found.
knight owl —— do you really believe that? Isn’t that a stretch?
Snoopy, the thing is, we don’t know IF the “investigative deposition was done.” When the STATE abruptly canceled it, it wasn’t rescheduled, then Diane Tennis said “her work was completed,” but I wondered if that work involved “Total Immunity.”
imo, DC is the “wildcard,” did he “roll?” imo, he probably did to save his butt, after all, Judge Pirro said after the video of Hoover/DC, that he was “obstructing & would face charges.” I wonder too, if the “deposition was held, I can’t imagine that it hasn’t because there isn’t a deposition scheduled for the State or Defense for him.
knightowl, just speculating, I always thought that DC/Hoover would: (1) plant evidence or (2) remove the remains & plant them deeply somewhere in a rural area. After all, no body & continued “Caylee sightings spewed by the Anthony’s continually in National Media Blitz, might have made some jurors wonder, maybe REASONABLE DOUBT! When little Caylee was found, that theory went down the tubes, & imo, Baez hasn’t been able to come up with anything else believable.
WOW! So much info to read….
Doing lotsa stuff around the house today…BBL to finish checking it all out…
I agree with you Knight – no one would ever have known. I also believe that had Casey been honest with her mother on that day of the 911 call none of us would ever have heard of Caylee Anthony
Yo Hola! said, on August 22, 2010 at 12:40 pm
knight owl —— do you really believe that? Isn’t that a stretch?
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Yo Hola, imo, DC said that Baez had told him NOT to call 911, but to call him. There was “no good reason except expectation imo, that they would recover Caylee, hence the “probing tool.” Judge S filed a complaint with the licensing board over this, can you think of a good reason that Hoover/D Casey were there? Mr. Sheaffer already told us who would have sent the two there, the Anthony’s have been willing to do anything or say anything to prevent KC from taking any responsibility except claim they did it, & hey, it’s never too late, but nahhhhhhhhhhhh, their as self absorbed as KC & even they, I assume, draw the line somewhere.
Yo Hola, what do you think would have happened? This question has been posed many times on many blogs, a lot of people think that “CA would have never called LE or the Anthony’s would create an elaborate excuse why the murder was an accident & destroy more evidence, after all, KC had a “fighting chance until the remains were found.” Then KARMA! “No Reasonable Doubt,” Baez just never had another strategy after the Lying Caylee Sightings were shot down,” LE never believed it anyway, it was ONLY to get to the jury pool!
I totally agree…if they had found the remains, they would have disposed of them AND if cindy had known the truth, there never would have been a 911 call. Caylee would have disappeared had anyone bothered to ask. After all, who would have made any serious inquiry? Caylee had no real relationship with anyone outside of the immediate family. cindy would have covered for her and casey would have been under cindy’s thumb forever!
frankie, I agree with your thoughts. I have read comments from several different people had commented that KC could have moved away from Orlando & no one would have ever known what happened to KC or Caylee. DC met two different times w/KC & Baeza at the jail. Since those meetings “are confidential/private, KC could have told DC or drawn him a map.
THANK GOD DC/Hoover weren’t able to find Caylee’s remains, although Hoover is just another dirt bag, he did say DC said the morning of the video that Caylee was dead. Nay sayers can dump on Hoover but the fact remains, she was dead & they were near the remains site, they just didn’t find her.. Have you ever heard that audio in which CA says in an interview, “GA & I don’t think Caylee is in the woods!” KARMA, was it a Freudian slip?
imo, the ANT’s knew Caylee was dead, they formed a foundation to bilk more money from the public, profited from the Murder, had media blitz’s promoting Caylee sightings, I hope it is proven that the Anthony’s had this knowledge & wasted valuable resources. imo, D Casey would be just the man to “rat CA out” if he got Total Immunity.
You guys just can’t imagine how much I miss all of you! So, while it’s momentarily quiet around here (stress on the word momentarily). I meant only to read, being so far behind, but am so nauseated by the thought of Caylee being hidden away and so that she might never have been found, I have to say something. Considering all of the continuous lying, all of the excuses made for Casey, and how it seems that they have all just erased Caylee’s existence, it’s quite probably true that had any one of them found her they’d have hidden her for sure, and who would have been the wiser?
She wasn’t due to attend school for another couple of years when she died. There would have been no school teacher to question a mysterious absence. Up until the time of their trouble, they weren’t big church goers, so there would have been no one to have questioned her whereabouts, there.
They would have, no doubt, moved Casey right back into the house. Perhaps neighbors would have questioned, but that would have been easily contended with, by picking up and moving to a place where no one knew there was once a Caylee.
Sitting here now I can’t help but to be a little bit grateful that the hurricane came and the rains fell and the flood waters rose, that served as a blanket of sorts, that protected her for so long, from what may have been a very grave injustice, had she never been found.
As for Dominic Casey? I’d say he spilled his guts in exchange for amnesty. The only thing that troubles me about that is how even after he’d gone he continued to show his support of the Anthony’s, as was evidenced by his PI website being a means through which people could email the Anthony’s. Is this yet the case?
http://dgator.com/cayleemarie.aspx
Hugs,
Hunter
At the bottom of the D & A Investigations page is this:
Copyright© 2010 D&A. All rights reserved
It’s the 2010 that gets to me, along with the possibility that he may still be in the Anthony corner. I so pray not.
Hunter, thanks for the link, I think your thoughts/comments are the reasons “why Caylee could have easily disappeared.” No known play friends, no Mom’s Day Out, no babysitters, no daddy. It is ironic how many videos & photos there are of little Caylee, jmo, it doesn’t seem normal to “isolate a child” from extended family except the Pleasa’s on occasion or any playmates.
Hunter, for awhile D Casey was “revamping his web page,” saying he was moving his office, etc., I wonder if this is an “old web page or if he has a new one.” I too find it troubling that he still could be “associated with the ANT’s.”
Hunter and Art: I believe casey was trying to set up a disappearing act by contacting Mark Hawkins in California. He is in the military and Caylee’s disappearance could have been hidden for quite awhile, even from her grandparents, with casey’s accomplished lies. cindy prevented that with the 911 calls because she didn’t know until AFTER the calls, then she fell in line and started covering up for casey. It is sickening to me that Caylee would have simply vanished. casey’s new “friends” might have asked about her, but I doubt they would have pushed the issue….casey would have just said she was here or there. The anthonys would have been the only ones to question casey and if she had been able to hook up with Mark, she could have used him and his career to cover her tracks. I don’t give casey much credit for intelligence, but she is very skilled in misleading her parents.
I wonder if we will ever know what george testified to in the Grand Jury Indictment? I imagine he testified to the smell, last person with Caylee was casey, no knowledge of imaginanny and no contact for a month. But what else may he have said? Any thoughts?
Personally, I don’t believe Lee got any extra special immunity deal because he potentially might’ve maybe done something to get himself in deep doo. It doesn’t make sense.
He either realized on his own, or someone enlightened him that he was skating down the wrong sidewalk. He probably scared himself into believing he might be in deep shizzit, got the attorney, found out he was getting use-immunity and didn’t need the attorney, attorney announced “I’m not needed anymore, he knows what he’s done” and Lee learned how to proceed in the future without getting himself in trouble.
Yo holla , No, not a stretch for me. There is no way they would have allowed Caylee’s body to be turned in to police had DC found her. Why? because the anthony’s knew Casey killed her and George being a homicide cop in the past would know a case without a body is a tougher one to prove against his daughter. What do you think the anthony’s would have done with caylee’s remains had Dominic Casey found them?
Art Tart,
This made me think of you, I guess because you always say you watch the 48 hrs. Mysteries, (so do I), but Harold Dow died. =(
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Frankie,
I don’t think George said anything in the Grand Jury that we haven’t already heard. But as for what in particular he said that did Casey in – MY guess is that him having ben in law enforcement and saying that he knew from experience what the smell of death was, and he smelled that smell in Casey’s trunk was it. There wasn’t anyone else who knew the smell of death as a matter of fact.
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Yo Hola,
That’s classic. You question if anything Casey did was a STRETCH?! Of course it wouldn’t be a Yo Hola comment if it wasn’t pessimistic.
Hi Kim, i have thought about the 911 call from cindy many of times and i agree with you, had cindy known what was really going on with Casey she would never have made that call and said caylee was misssing. funny how fate was against them all from the beginning. What were the odds of Caylee being found after hurricane Faye and all that flooding that lot, and of all things animals carrying off her little body but the most important part of Caylee left behind to tell the true story of what happened to her was her skull with hair intact under all three layers of duct tape. There is a God and he does work in mysterious ways.
The only glitch i see would have been had DC found Caylee’s remains while along with Hoover i don’t believe Hoover would have been okay with not telling the police.
Hi art tart, woobabie, frankie and all of you.
Call me nuts but i also totally believe Casey had plans on doing away with not only Caylee but George and Cindy too. Why on earth else would she be doing computer searches for how to make weapons out of household items? she wanted the house but what i believe happened that thwarted that plan was Cindy caused her to move it up early and kill Caylee as Casey was in a raging furry after Cindy choked her the nite of the 15th in that huge argument Lee Anthony said they had and now Cindy denies and we all now why cindy is denying it. I believe it was Leee that told Mark Furhman about it.
Casey was charged with Caylee’s death BEFORE her body was ever found. I’m sure it would have proceeded along if they didn’t find it, but they would only be able to convict her of a lesser charge like reckless homicide.
Me again i just have to say also that since Casey’s plan got botched and she only killed Caylee i believe she was planning to go to California in hopes Mark Hawkins would take would want her again and she could move in with him. Then she would never allow cindy and George to talk to Caylee and would cut them off for good. She could have told MH lies about who Caylee is living with now and again no one would ever have known Caylee was missing or i should say deceased. she was never missing. That got foiled due to Cindy with the help of Amy finding her first.
Hi Knight Owl. You ARE a night owl if you are not on the west coast. There’s never anyone on the blogs when I come on. I’m used to talking to myself.
I’m going to go read my book now. Goodknight!
woobabie, night owl or vampire one. lol. Enjoy your book and have a goof evening.
typo good evening not goof. gee i cannot type tonite.
Frankie, i see our minds are thinking alike with the mark hawkins and casey. I didn’t read all the blogs first before posting.
I believe the State had a good enough case to convict Casey with murder 1 without the body. A lot of forensic evidence in that car and etc. Having the body just made it the icing for the prosecutor’s cake and a little more fun watching the sleeze/scream/team crash and burn~~
Woobabie, i see what you mean. Now i am talking to myself as all must have gone to beddy bye so i guess i will shut up and go too. nite all.
Brad Conway was on Steph Watts show “Watts up with this”…He had a few interesting comments…Worth the listen.
WooBabie said, on August 23, 2010 at 2:09 am —–nice comment .. but you got it wrong ….. not that I meant what Casey may have done was a stretch …… but …. surmising and concluding before we know anything …. is a stretch ….. remember … when one “assumes” …. I am not negative … I just don’t “project” what people have done without knowing what they did….
If I knew nothing about cindy, I wouldn’t “project” what she might have done either, BUT I know what she is. She is a liar, too numerous to list, but a proven liar none the less. And george has become one as well….if he was not already. The anthonys have no moral compass nor conscious. They are certainly willing to malign completely innocent people to protect their facade of the perfect family. But what I find most interesting about them is that they so easily forgot all about Caylee, they have completely erased “that little girl” from their reality. Caylee has become a symbol and a means to gain money, power and notoriety. THAT is why I am totally convinced that had cindy not flipped out and called 911, Caylee would have always been at the beach or with the imaginanny until the whole bunch escaped. If dumbadik casey had found the remains, at the very least, that duct tape would have vanished if not the entire remains.
frankie said, ——— okay — whatever — I just prefer to KNOW …before I decide I know…..
Listening to B. Conway from last night’s interview on Blog radio.
Anybody listen to it?
Anyone who offers up the image of someone else’s loved one as a sighting is a very devious and vile person IMO…
Nuff said, nothing else needs to be said, that alone speaks volumes of the depth of the depravity.
Yo Hola: If you don’t know cindy anthony is a liar, you have not been following this case at all. If you see any justification for their behaviour, please point it out because I seem to have missed it. Blaming innocent people for the murder of a not quite 3 year old indicates a complete lack of any type of conscious. That behaviour is reprehensible to say the least and, IMO, criminal. The rest was my stated opinion.
IMO, any person who wears jewlery with the ashes of their grandchild inside for TV interviews for sympathy one day and denies the death of same the next is showing their true colors. Any person who holds a highly publicizied memorial service for same child, shows the death cert. on TV interviews while denying the death of same, shows me that ; that person cares not for the said child or for honoring her memory.
Listening now LNY.
GM everyone! LNY: Can you give me a link?
Here’s the link frankie
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this
Had to take a phone call so I paused for a while..have to get back to it.
Thanks for linking, LNY. I’m gonna take a listen.
frankie said,———– never said she wasn’t lying …
For some reason, it only played for a couple of minutes, then stopped and went down to the next one. 😕
Morning Friends! I am going to have to listen to what Conway said on his interview. Seems it was interesting, read a little about it at Hinkey.
Can anyone share what they found interesting in the interview, I am going to a funeral this morning & can’t listen.
Woobabie, aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh man! I loved Harold Dow, I watched him last night. 62 it seems like the new 50! He was too young to die, I respected him, he was fair, & ask the difficult questions but always sympathetic to his Victim’s / Families.
I don’t know why that happened mix.
I paused and it kicked me out, still have to go back and listen.
Yohola: So what was your problem with my stated opinion?
frankie —- I have no problem with wht you stated….. you stated what you believe…… your choice … mine is to have specificity … that’s it…..
hmmmm…yo hola,
Are you aware that the image of someone else’s little girl was floated by the Anthonys as though a Caylee sighting, that being the FL Mall supposed sighting..
If you are aware, do you think that is despicable that people would use the image of someone else’s little girl like that? Do you think it is devious?
Are you aware of the lies told the 911 operator in the several 911 calls, and if so what do you think of those who lie to a 911 operator like that? Do you think that sort of thing is devious and despicable?
frankie —– the 911 calls, to me were signs of desperation……..
hmmmmmmm..
Was stating last seen date of June 8 and 9 desperation?
Was withholding a hairbrush from LE desperation?
Have the numerous lies all been trumped up to what desperate people do rather than what devious people engage in?
Please …… you all need not recount things….
hmmmm…….you claimed you needed specificity, those were specifics
now you whine about recount of events….make up your mind….as right now you seem very much like those associated with the defense…
RS — puleeeeeeeeeeeeze!
Those things that were listed were opinons … and that’s fine…. not what anyone “believes” woulda, coulda , shoulda occured….. that’s it… it’s as if so, Ina isn’t here … so some need someone to whom to vent. Life is too short —-
yeah, so I’m guessing you need to go cook now too huh…
stop it …. it’s not appealng ….
RS…IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE! LOL
Of course she was desperate! Who wouldn’t be? I don’t fault her for the 911 calls…they are the only saving grace she has. If not for those 911 calls, casey would have gotten away with the murder of Caylee…..she would have simply disappeared and lied about Caylee.
I blame cindy anthony for all the BS she pulled AFTER she found out that casey had lost Caylee and she made the connection between the decomp smell she admitted to in the 911 calls and the fact that casey could not produce Caylee. cindy is a biatch and an idiot, but she can add 2+2 and come up with 4, she chooses to lie. Just as RS pointed out. You wanted specificity, RS gave it to you. Yet you protest that she is repeating what we already know. You haughtily write that you won’t judge until you KNOW, yet you ignore what is known? I am afraid I miss your point.
One thing that really bothers me is casey’s cold control. We may be sanitizing Caylee’s death somewhat. Because casey left her in the elements so long, there may have been signs of torture that didn’t show up on an autopsy. The autopsy was extremely limited and broken bones are not always the only sign of horrible abuse. Perhaps casey is so accepting of her almost certain fate because no one will ever know the depth of her depravity.
Second verse, same as the first!
New visitor’s to add to Casey Anthony Log. Well, if Mohamed won’t go to the mountain! What we now are privy to Custer’s Last Stand, metaphorically. Actually, the Titanic perhaps is apropos
Didn’t Terrance L. already get the DP off 2 years ago, yes. What were the mitigators… diminished capacity. In legal terminology that’s when you got nuttin.
Coincidently, BC resigns and claims conflict of interest. per se.
So the Defense house of cards has finally, seen the light!
What’s next….
Stay Tuned…….
Will the Defense keep beating the dead horse?
Mr. Shaeffer:
Would you comment on the McNaughton Rule, aka “Twinkies Defense”?
This is probably the most prudent defense option, playing out vis a vie the new visitors.
Sounds to me that preparations are being drawn to present to prospective jury and/or plea option? Guess crazy and sugar are jealous mistresses…lol
Thank you
Yo Hola = Ina.
GiveItUp —another country heard from…………… whatever ………… and what was your “other” name????????
Yo Yo Halo!!!!!
I agree with the posters who say you have never offered an opinion or contributed to the conversation. You don’t even say enough to call it participating in a debate where your thoughts are different then the majority of contributors to this site.
You throw out these one liners condemning anyone who has a (negative) opinion of the accused child murderer Casey Anthony and her in your face lying family members never mind her incompetent defense “dream team”. Funny how this “dream team” keeps changing.
Let me count the ways:
Larry Garrison – accused by the Anthonys of stealing profits owed to them for network appearances. Maybe he was given a bum wrap. After all Cindy is a proven liar
Gil Cabott (AKA Todd Black) How Baez dodged that bullet makes me shake my head, but he did!!!
Todd Macalusor – “Donated” $70,000 towards Casey’s defense, quit because (essentially for the time being anyways) he was disbarred. No longer allowed to practice law in California or other states. I would imagine he’ll attend a mandatory treatment center and follow “the program” and maybe he’ll be back practicing in time to represent Casey during her trial in 2011. We’ll see.
Andrea Lyon – Not too many comments other then to note that she pulled out right before the new law passed on July 1st that would have prevented her from quitting. She did spend $70,000 of her clinic’s money that is raised through donations and meant to be used for indigent clients on a rather well to do client. I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t have $350,000 at my disposal as Casey did (until Baez spent it).
Jose Garcia was there visiting all the time but he disappeared when those letters came out where Casey discussed her “crush” on him. Smart guy. Apparently he works for a different firm now.
Cheney Mason, I wonder about. Is he really as incompetent as he comes across? You know old Leg Horn Foghorn just spouting off not making any sense. Is he playing the role of a demented old guy who can’t hear like he repeatedly throws out there, or is that part of his game? Judge Perry makes a point of being friendly and seems to accept and therefore condone some of his disrespectful of the court behaviors. That’s just my opinion.
Back to topic. Yo Yo Halo, please offer an honest opinion or just leave the actual contributors alone.
IMO the reason Mason joined up with Baez was:
Baez was strutting like a rooster in a hen house, only he was getting pecked to death (by the truth)…
Mason came in to save lil’Casey from fumbaling, bumbaling Baez and it was “going to be fun, and he would end his practice with the brite lights of the Nations Media focused on him and maybe, just maybe a show on Court TV or something…
Mason was now strutting in the hen house, only now he was wearing a brand new peacock feathered suit, but the pecking only got worse (more truth came out, some from Masons own mouth)…
The funny thing is, is that mason is so cocky (more so than Baez) and vain that he won’t wear his hearing aid in court unless he has to (he was fumbaling to put it in during one of the last hearings…It was funny to watch). And I think that I’m picking up some discontent between Mason and Baez, they don’t seem to get along.
I wonder who the next Attorney to leave will be?? Anyone want to place some money on who and/or why?? I say someone will fake a medical condition in order to bail…lol
Baez was being pecked to death for obvious reasons. Strutting like a rooster in a hen house, no kidding.
What’s Mason’s story? He struts his stuff but appears to have reinforcements, right from the judges on down. Judge Strickland was very clear when he said,”what took you so long?”. I also noticed that Judge Perry is very clearly distancing himself from the situation.
Oops, I meant to say Judge Perry is very clearly not distancing himself from the situation. He made a pont of acknowledging Mason’s involvement.
Yo Hola! said, on August 23, 2010 at 6:37 am
WooBabie said, on August 23, 2010 at 2:09 am
—–nice comment .. but you got it wrong ….. not that I meant what Casey may have done was a stretch …… but …. surmising and concluding before we know anything …. is a stretch ….. remember … when one “assumes” …. I am not negative … I just don’t “project” what people have done without knowing.
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The whole quote as I’ve always knownb it is…
“When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me.”
“But when assumptions are sometimes true -then you’re the asss, not me.”
I make assumptions every day of my life. I need to judge people and situations without knowing all the facts in order to protect my children and make wise decisions in life. We are constantly presented with circumstances which we cannot know or “project” the facts or outcome. We have to apply logic and experience and make an assumption quite a bit.
If, as you suggest, we should not surmise or project in this case without knowing all of the facts, then shouldn’t Casey just automatically go free? Because we will never KNOW most of the facts. The prosecution has to go with what they do have and surmise what happened or just let her go.
If ONLY people would have made ASSUMPTIONS about Caylee’s well-being and acted on them!!!!
My response to people who ask me if I know what assume means, I always say “Yes, it means that I’m usually right, but I made an ass out of you”. And then I wait for them to say “and me”, then I reply “Yes, that’s what I said, that I made an ass out of you”.
Shuts them up every time.
Terrytsk ——— just a note to you and whomever …… I firmly believe …and have stated from the beginning……. major drug involvement- and not just “using recreational substances” == played a role in Caylee’s dimise — (just as , but not the same way, Halieigh Cummings suffered) —- too many aspects of her behaviour point to the drug culture ….. I do not believe my questioning other poster’s personal beliefs is tantamount to not participating in the discussion …. I am just not in lockstep……Scroll way back …..and you can see my thoughts and reasoning…,.,..,,.
Terrytsk said, on August 23, 2010 at 8:48 pm Well said! I haven’t had the pleasure of reading your comments before but I certainly won’t miss them again!
Yo Hola: Though you did not specifically call me a name earlier, your intentions were clear. IF drugs are involved, then perhaps casey should OPEN HER MOUTH and tell the TRUTH /b/ for once. However, IMO, if a parent/caretaker allows/causes the demise of their child/charge the abuse of drugs should not be used as a get out of jail free card. There was a choice and he/she made a poor one. Just like the person who CHOOSES to go to a bar and drink 30 shots and then get behind the wheel of a vehicle and kills another…..the CHOICE was very clear.
OOOPPPP, ‘scuse me! I no speaka the html code. 🙂
frankie said—— help refresh my memory….. what name did I call you? But— my theory… and that’s all I have is……. the culture involvement/culture plays a major role in this tragety ….. not……necessarily the USE of drugs —-a lot of things lead me to sense this .. including her – KC’s lies and telling the parents about possible harm….. and I’ve sensed this right off ….and there was nothing her parents could do — once someone reaches the age of majority….. parents are powerless …. unless they could get 3 doctorsd and as judge to commit her —– and back to my allegedly calling you a name — refresh my memory — if I did ….. I’m sorry ….. but I don’t remember calling anyone a “name”……..
There is ZERO proof/evidence of some “major drug involvment”. That is a “Cindy Anthony thing” to throw out there because she simply cannot come to terms that her daughter murdered her granddaughter.
Like Woobaby said, “I make assumptions every day of my life. I need to judge people and situations without knowing all the facts in order to protect my children and make wise decisions in life. We are constantly presented with circumstances which we cannot know or “project” the facts or outcome. We have to apply logic and experience and make an assumption quite a bit.”
LOGIC and experience. 2+2+=4.
With Cindy, 2+2=5
LindaNewYork ——- to me, there are lots and lot of drug culture behaviours …… but … — and it’s not anything I ever heard Cindy say……. and logic is not as you indicate……. you see what you see …. that’s why sometimes ….. life takes turns unbelievable……
how illogical was it for the cummings to marry after haleigh was missing???? Oftimes, there are shades and greys — whatever ….
Hi Yo hola.
Yes, life takes unbelievable turns.
For some it is unbelievable to them that Casey Anthony killed her daughter. I look at the disovery documents released and behavior of not only Casey , but her Mother Cindys attempts (lying) over the past two years, to point fingers elsewhere or saying, well if she did it she had to have help, or the cockamamie “story of a Nanny”. Etc., etc, etc.
The unbelievable turn here is that this 22 girl murdered her daughter. Black and white. Common sense, logic and circumstances show Casey is indeed the person who murdered Caylee.
Ever noitce how it is the quiet boy next door or the church going man, or the good looking college student who are the serial killers??
Yup, life takes unbelievable turns…
I guess if you see it that way, you see it that way. I think what is being asked of you is SHOW us what you see…
Too bad Susan Smith did not try the Phantom drug mule, or Phantom drug dealer defense
… she used the Phantom black dude stole my car and kids defense…
… and Anthony used the Phantom Nanny stole my kid defense..
BUT, in Susan Smith’s favor, that wench did dial 911 for her kids, Anthony NEVER did…
And Christina Priem tried the scary, stalking hispanic dude did it.
I don’t buy being “afraid” of the drug dealers scenario. Once casey was in jail, she would have squealed like the proverbial pig. She was safe, Caylee was dead and she doesn’t give a hoot about her family. IMO, the computer searches were to kill her parents, then Caylee would have an “accident” and she would be free, free, free. If there had been any way for her to point her nappy fingers at someone else, casey would have called 911 herself, but there wasn’t…or at least, she was never smart enough or ambitious enough to plan SODDI. My personal opinion is that she simply lacks intelligence. She is full of herself, but she is not the sharpest tool in the shed. Not to say she wasn’t hanging with druggies, this I do no know, but I have seen zero evidence of such activities in the investigation so far.
Yo: I say just drop it. You are misreading my statement. I said you did NOT call me a name, but your intent was evident. I don’t care one way or the other. I am done with the subject…period.
RS: That is certainly correct. casey never called 911. I think she would have had she been truly afraid of anyone. She had dated LE, she would have trusted them and demanded their protection come hell or high water.
Yup, so far we have had the Phantom Nanny, then the Phantom Nanny and her sister Sammy
Then the bad meter reader, then some other dude let’s fish through the TES records expedition. ..
and along the way cast aspersions on just about everybody the vile wench knew…
If she does not plea first she will end up on death row, no question about it…
Yo Hola said, on August 24, 2010 at 8:14 am
Yes, when a child turn’s that magic age of 18 we no longer have the same power, now,
Having said that let us honestly look at how powerful Cindy & George really were shall we?
While Casey was of age so to speak she was still very much under their care and control,
They had many options on the table.
(1) They could have gained care custody and control of Caylee through the court.
(2) They could have stopped Casey’s habit of money theft by, (a) keeping track of their own account’s, (b) allowing her to be charged by L.E.
(3) They could have questioned things like, if you are working all these hours, why is it you never have a pay check?
(4) They could have kicked her to the curb.
(5) They could have insisted on some sort of counseling.
(6) They could have taken the keys to the car.
(7) They could have insisted on meeting the “nanny” that was supposed to be caring for their grandchild.
(8) They could have done many things, but they did nothing, you have control of anyone living under your roof, no matter what age they are.
My roof, My rules, simple as that.
Ok, this is just ridiculous.
http://americaspeaksink.com/2010/08/casey-anthony-case-did-george-do-it/
frankie said, on August 23, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Hey Frankie, do you recall way back when my source told us about the evidence that was found in that trunk?
I won’t go into great detail here because if you recall it was pretty graphic.
When I listened to the blog radio show with Brad, Steph said something that backed our info up.
“that L.E. said there was a “HUGE” amount of blood evidence in that car.”
I think we have not even scratched the surface yet on the amount of forensics that has been done on the car.
The state has released only tiny bits of their case, and for anyone that says oh but they have to release it all, no they do not, they are only by law forced to release any evidence that would lean to Casey’s innocence.
Now, we have several photo’s of Caylee where she had black eyes and bruises.
I really believe people are going to be sickened when they hear all of what that baby suffered, and as you say the real “depth of Casey’s depravity. “
Hi mix (and Judy and RS), I read that earlier..it IS ridiculous. Very ridiculous.
Hi Linda…did you notice where “Cindy A” had posted there? LOL
No, I didn’t notice…let me check it out.
HA!
Think it was really her?
No idea, but I posted as CindyAisLooney LOL
Hey gals! What’s up? I started reading back from days ago and there have been some really great discussions ~ at least when the grown-ups are talking. Ha ha ha . . . The other two will never graduate from their sandboxes. Go ahead and hissssss at me you lying trouble-makers. I don’t care. Nobody cares. You have completely lost any power to annoy that you might have enjoyed months and months ago. But to be honest, I do enjoy the odd laugh at your expense from time to time.
Judy!!! Do you know I’d forgotten all about that blood comment? But you are absolutely right! I remember. Although I don’t agree that Casey or Caylee were ever sexually abused by George or Lee. I know that a case can be made that it might have happened but so far, I don’t see it. BUT I do think there’s quite a bit more than meets the eye so far. Now, how does a lot of blood in the trunk factor into what we already know? Judy, I just know you have a theory!
Yes Bee’s I have a theory lol.
I also was lucky in that a couple of people I worked with on another project also were involved with this case and they were very good sources.
Our group was careful with the info we were given and careful to protect our lines of communication with them.
When I listened to the report yesterday it happened to click with something I had been told back in 08 in regard to the car and what was found in it.
That is why I have always said the state has way more than we have been privy to in the releases.
And I suppose that is as well why when I hear these hair brained theories about pork chops in the trunk my head starts to spin a bit.
I do tend to lean toward the sexual abuse in Casey’s early adolescence.
As well, anyone that has blogged with me since this case began knows I have never thought George was anything but a sneaky snake.
Now, I do not believe he murdered Caylee, but I can see him as the perfect fall guy for the defense, in that he puts himself as one of the last ones seeing Caylee alive, add that to the abuse claims and he is set to go under the big rolling bus.
Do I believe the family soon knew the truth that Caylee was indeed dead?
Yes, I believe they knew the truth by the time Casey was released on bond, and when Tim Miller came to town.
Until then I believe they highly suspected, but kept holding out.
Do I believe they knew where the body was?
Yes I firmly believe they knew.
Go back and listen to Georges moon and stars conversation with Casey in jail, really listen to his words.
Also Casey’s “she close to home” convo with Lee.
Cindy’s statement “ I will not let this KILL another member of my family” statement
And her “Caylee is NOT in the woods”
And you can not disregard the My-Space writings “My Caylee is missing” and the very telling “Dairy of days”
The small things like how words are used is very telling, when people lash out in anger or excitement they do not have time to adjust their wording, things spill out.
IMO true justice for Caylee will be the full exposure of what everyone knew and was a party to, but I dare say we will ever see that take place.
Bees !!! Where ya been? Missed you!
Lawyers are dropping like flies, eh? Of course, some of them have legal troubles of their own, some are narcissitic and cannot afford to lose a case, and some are just fed up and done with it.
I’ll be anxious to see if Brad C. shows up alongside the Anthonys at KC’s next hearing. When is that anyway?
Thanks, Judy. I’m with you on almost everything. I agree the family knew Caylee was dead very early on. Possibly the day they picked up the car and set about to destroy evidence. They may not have been 100% sure at first but they figured it out quickly. And yes George is a snake with fluttering eyelashes. I would put nothing passed him, including incest, but have you ever considered (I bet you have) that George may not be Casey’s birth father? Or do we already know for sure that he is (dna testing)? I can see Cindy in Casey and especially in Caylee’s face, but I see nothing of George in either one of them. I’m going to go back and listen to some of the earlier statements as you suggest. But first . . .
FRESH Hinky!!! And it’s a good one too, concerning the water levels where Caylee’s remains were located.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/24/caylee-anthony-case-an-analysis-of-dr-jawitzs-report/#comment-63316
Judy, I have always wondered what was going on with Caylee in the few days leading up to her murder. She didn’t seem to be her usual animated little self in the nursing home video. She read the storybook with a lot of her usual sparkle but when she cuddled into her great-grandpa she looked back at the camera with much older eyes. I realize it may be nothing more nefarious than being over-tired but imo it’s bigger/deeper than that.
Hi Linda! I’ve just been so busy. But I would really quickly check everyday just to make sure I wasn’t missing anything. Good discussions though. I did miss those.
judypc said, on August 24, 2010 at 2:30 pm
I agree, agree, agree!
Lilone you must be Canadian, eh? Me too.
JudyPC: Yep, sure do remember those conversations! I have never liked george either… he just seems so nefarious to me.
Will bozo never tire of filing the same motions over and over and over? How many times can he file the same darn motion? Hasn’t the Judge(s) already ruled on releasing the crap she buys at the commissary and the release of the depos? OMG, he is such a dork. Really, really annoying and WASTING TAXPAYER MONIES….JUDGE P, please stop the idiocy.
Judge P needs to just put his foot down and maybe all these ridiculous motions will cease.
Oh, now I see what yo are talking about frankie!
The Motion Kings are at it again.
Maybe the prosecution should write up a motion for Baez, Mason, C&G to STFU and stop poisoning the protential jury pool.
The fact is it is Casey’s defense team are the ones “embarrassing” the accused!
Wow, I got used to Baez IMO and that of others filing motions wrong court but Mason too?
If they are bringing up rights she has, then earth to defense WRONG court!!!!!!!!
Take your whining to a federal court or challenge the rules in place in another court, but not in a criminal court…
And let me guess, they most likely failed to notify the jail ( county ) legal again in order for them to respond….
Will someone let us know if the service cert. lists county legal, I am betting it does not
So, they do not like Florida Statute 119.01:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0100-0199/0119/0119ContentsIndex.html&StatuteYear=2010&Title=%2D%3E2010%2D%3EChapter%20119
But:
“Florida voters have overwhelmingly showed their support for government in the sunshine at all levels of government. They have made it clear they believe that open government provides the best assurance of government that is responsive and responsible to the needs of the people.”
http://www.myflsunshine.com/sun.nsf/pages/Law
Guess they should practice in another state.
Just glanced at motion
Yup, they forgot to copy the jail/county legal AGAIN…
Judge will likely lose patience with these folks…
Maybe they are trying to set up a money laundering business through her jail account? WFTV reported on just such activity tonight. LOL Funding the duhfense one ponytail holder at a time! ROFLMAO
LOL…I went to that link that was posted earlier, the blog from C. Rich…looks like someone is trying to impersonate me! ROFL
Isn’t that the one that says she can’t be guilty cause she’s too cute? He must be real hard up!
I am a native Floridian and if people don’t like the way we operate don’t murder your children here. judypc I believe you are probably the closest person to have the same theory I have. I believe the entire family knew exactly what was going on. I further believe Georges little trip to Daytona was an attack of conscience that Cin soon quelled.
RS said, on August 24, 2010 at 5:10 pm Just glanced at motion
Yup, they forgot to copy the jail/county legal AGAIN…
Judge will likely lose patience with these folks…
Weren’t they “given a talking to by the judge LAST time?
What a bunch of a-holes!
Crackers and Hot Coco mix will taint a jury pool??? What morons…
At least it appears that Mason is finaly reading past motions. Now if he would only read and understand the rulings.
By constantly filing the same motions over and over (beating a dead horse, or in this case, beating a dead Caylee), it appears that Prof. Baez is teaching his student (Mason) well, it won’t be long before the student surpasses the Master…lol
Hello everyone. Mostly I just lurk, but wanted to ask a question.
Baez can’t seriously object to the release of what casey orders from the jail. When he files a nonsense motion it seems to me it is to put the focus on something unimportant because something else is coming to light that he is worried about and he wants our attention on this. What do you think? The visitors, more discovery or what?
I just have a hard time believing he is serious. Wish Judge P would be stricter with him.
The only thing that Casey’s commissary records tell me is that since the sexual abuse claims against George came out, he hasn’t put any money in her account, that Cindy now has to do it. And that Casy is living a very good life in jail, sometimes spending more than $50.00 per week.
If it wasn’t for the fact that Caylee is dead and gone from Cindy’s life, Cindy could almost pretend that she was still alive and that Casey isn’t in jail, but out and about somewhere with Caylee and that Cindy is missing $50.00 or more from her account/purse. In some ways, life never changes.
BJ:
Hi BJ, I agree, if you do not like our beautiful state then commit your crimes somewhere else, then you do not have to worry about our laws.
As for George I’ve nothing kind to say about him at all, his little trip to Daytona was nothing more than a bit of theater, people ask yourselves this how do cops or x-cops off themselves?
The answer, they eat their gun, they don’t take a bag of big Mac’s and a 12 pack of cheap beer to a hooker hotel with a few pills, that he did not even take for pity sake, this all came about after he found out Cindy & Dom Casey were getting a bit to friendly.
It was all fake, all made up to make people think poor George, he loves himself way to much to consider such a thing.
Now Doug don’t you always think well they ordered Hot Coco they must be guilty, HANG THEM!!!!
Have you ever seen a bigger bunch of Nincompoops in all your life?
Arkie, that’s been the pattern so far, raise wholy he!! just before some very interesting information comes out.
Same with the parents Grimm, jump and shout about a live Caylee sighting in some off the wall place, then BAM, some bomb goes off in discovery.
Doug, I think Cindy pretends daughter dearest is away at University, living in a “dorm” , hanging out with her sorority sisters.
Well folks, I’m off to enjoy some very decadent crackers and cocoa…
YES! I admit, I too purchase those embarrassing items! I only hope y’all will find it in your hearts to understand and forgive my transgressions.
t2m- did you hear about Cindy calling Wesh to alert them she was donating some of Caylees shoes to a charity? And she is off….. lol whirlwind tour to change her image to one of caring person. Good luck with that Cindy;.. (Sorry I don’t have a link- I just read it on Hinky.)
I was just reading at Vals too, I;ve been unaware until now that when I donate my kids clothes to Goodwill, I was supposed to send out a press release about it. Who knew?
Well only if you are a celebrity like she is.
She has no attorney to reel her in now, and the poor thing hasn’t gotten much attention lately- gosh she had to do something.
Yep and Caylee had tons of clothes and shoes, this could go on for months. Bag the stuff up and give it who ever like every one else does, who does she think she is Oprah?
Well, tomorrow is here already for me, I had better try to shake this insomnia and get some sleep, talk to you soon.
T2M: & Arkie:
OMG I did not know that as well, I just take stuff in and plop it down, never thought of calling a presser, what’s even sadder Wesh fell hook line and sinker for it, we should all call Wesh tomorrow and tell them we are donating stuff, see if they can take a hint.
Now, T2M lets deal with your crackers & Coco, guess you better call Jose’ you need a good half azz lawyer my friend, you must be guilty of some heinous crime to be buying that stuff, you better hope the jury pool does not get a hold of that info, and all this time I thought you was a good upstanding member of society, crackers & Coco indeed, HOW EMBARRASSING INDEED!!!! You should be ashamed of yourself….
Now, will Goodwill tag this stuff donated by Cindy so folks will know what a great gal she is?
Cindy has said in the past the everything of Caylee’s was precious, she won’t even clean the mirror in Caylee’s room cause her prints are on it, yet now she’s bagging up Caylee’s thing and tossing them…Where have I heard this before??? Oh yes, Casey bagged up Caylee and then tossed her.
Seems that Casey truely is Cindy’s daughter…They are so much alike, like two peas in a pod.
It would be nice if there were some way of letting people KNOW when the place to meet is CLOSED!! I spent many lonely hours in the stupid SUPREME room chatting with myself. I flagged and muted me. I’m alright now.
~Lips~
What’s left? The next motion will be because someone found out how many times Casey poops and they let the gas out. An infringement on her privacy and could put a stinker in the jury pool.
Won’t Caylee need her shoes when she decides to come home from Imaginanny’s? I mean after all cindy swears she is alive! So she wears some other dead child’s ashes and gives away all of Caylee’s things? Pfffft
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
I donated 6 large bags of clothing to Goodwill last week. I want a memorial created for me. I am a saint. Don’t you all love me now….on your knees lackeys! Bow to the good hearted goddess that I am. Good gravy, she is a self absorbed azz.
FYI: I do NOT drink cocoa. I drink coffee and eat cookies. I have nothing to hide.
Please read the above with the sarcasm I so fully intended. 🙂
frankie, I guess Caylee has out grown those old clothes and shoes and will need new ones when she comes walking in the door with her mother of the year.
Yes, snarkyness fully implied.
Rock said, on August 25, 2010 at 7:34 am
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA AHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
BREATHE
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA
That was a good one! BAZINGA!!
LOL Judy your killing me…and death is different ya know! I AM seaking help for the crackers and cocoa issue, I’m a victim of advertising. I’m a victim I tell you!
Frankie: The goddess of giving forgot the press release, there’s always next time, root around in the attic, your bound to find more stuff so you can get some face time on the news.
Some people are hoping for a gag order in this case, I have no idea why, theses people are a laugh a minute. All I have to do is keep the Internet bill paid and I have all my entertainment needs covered.
I am anxiously awaiting the bombshell that must surely be coming!
t3m: I’m sayin’! I was thinking of discontinuing my cable service. Don’t need it now that this circus is in town!
Frankie, I could however, do without the circus music ( JB, Cindy ect voice), it’s starting to wear on my nerves.
Hope they didn’t forget to get a receipt from Goodwill, taxes and all you know. Man I dislike these people.
Dang! Not only did I forget the press release, I forgot the reciept!
She is giving to an org called Children of Love, I have never heard of them.
The Children of Love Foundation is a Christ-centered, nonprofit organization serving children in Central Florida, the Caribbean and Central and South America.
A worthy cause.
Aren’t the defense depos due today or do I have my dates wrong? (not that is something new)
Today is the deadline to look over TES records. Maybe bozo won’t be too busy copying, ooops, I meant writing a motion.
Linda (or RS?) ~ “Yup, they forgot to copy the jail/county legal AGAIN…” WHAT??? You have GOT to be kidding? When will Judge Perry put an end to this blatant mis-use of taxpayers money? Unless, to “control” him (Bozo Douchebag) would mean that dreaded word MISTRIAL? Is that why he is getting away with so much? I’d love to hear Mr. Sheaffer’s thoughts on why this abysmal behaviour continues. Maybe it really isn’t deplorable. Maybe these lawyers are all over the place behaving so terribly and we just haven’t been aware of it. Do you think?
Thanks frankie!
Frankie, I wonder if Bozo doesn’t make today’s deadline he’ll have the gall to ask again? Both hilarious and pitiful at the same time.
YW Kim, but I am afraid I wasn’t much help!
Bees: Oh I am sure he will. I am beginning to wonder if he knows anything about being an attorney. He doesn’t come up with anything meaningful, just rehashes the same old inconsequential nonsense over and over again.
Mr. Sheaffer, I am begging, please give us your take on WHY he continues to file the same motions even though they have been denied?
Mr. Sheaffer, add my name beside Frankie’s. Could you please give us your interpretation of what on earth is going on with Casey’s Defense and Judge Perry’s presumable patience?
When I was a kid/teenager, I could never take no for an answer”
” Can I, blah, blah, blah….? No? But why Ma? Come on, please? Please? But why not? Why? Can I PLEASE, blah, blah, blah…? Come on. But Why not? Why?”
I know, I was a bratty teenager. But not abratyy Criminal Defense Atorney!
JOSE: The answer was NO the first time!
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Dear Cindy,
Character is doing the right thing, when nobody is looking….
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So frickin’ sick of Casey Anthony, the stinkin’ Anthony’s and Baez & Mason. Every day, it’s something else with these f##@&&)($%%er’s.
I would like to share the email I just sent to the childrenoflove foundation:
I am so sorry that now your organization has been thrown into the circus ring of the Casey Anthony murder case. Please, if you need our help and donations, reject this obvious use of your organization as a public relations ploy of Cindy Anthony. The public is not blind to her intentions. Depending upon what happens with this shoe situation, you will or will not receive my support or the support of the thousands of people who follow this case very closely. Please do the right thing, and treat Cindy just as you treat all the other wonderful donors and volunteers who contribute to your organization.
Sincerely, and best wishes for success in your endeavors.
Has anyone asked Cindy what her intentions were in sending an email to news 6 about donating a pair of shoes. Does this mean we will be reading emails from Cindy until every last piece of the thousands of articles they had for that poor baby are donated? I am also surprised that she is not on ebay selling Caylee’s belongs. Cindy is truly a despicable woman. So stupid and transparent.
Cindy better be careful. Everything that belongs to Caylee in reality belongs to Casey, since Casey is the parent in charge and responsible for Caylee (minors own nothing). So giving and/or selling anything of Caylee’s would be theft. And I wouldn’t put it past Casey to file charges on mommy dearest. After all she has shown she cares not about family. Just ask gas can George, the insestuous pediphile (according to lil’Casey).
So. Tell me, Linda ~ would you rather go through labour or be friends with cindy anthony??? Ha ha ha ha ha! Seriously though ~ what a miserable family! Like you, once the trial is over and the homicidal head-case is tightly locked up forever, I will be thrilled to never hear their names or their sniveling lies ever again!
Doug, that’s a good point. casey filing charges against cindy would be highly entertaining (please God, make it so).
Nicely done, muesli. Can you give us the link you sent your letter to? I’m surprised too, that cindy isn’t trying to make another buck off CAYLEE by selling her belongings on e-bay. Do you think she just never thought of it? Or maybe she’s saving some special items for auction closer to trial when they might sell at a higher price. Awww, she’s a shrewd one, that cindy anthony!!! Always knows how to make a quick buck. george is a fool if he leaves her!
Bees, here is the email contact address:
dpatalano@childrenoflove.org
I have spent this rainy afternoon reading around the media, comments from bloggers and from commenters. Seems like this organization is receiving lots of emails today. I also sent an email to the general manager of News 6.
BEES, I know you didn’t ask me but, I would rather be Octo Mom having natural child birth than hang out with the spinmeister. lol
T2M, ha ha ha ha ha!!!!! Octo Mom, huh? Well, I’d have to agree. At least there’s an end to childbirth but being friends with cindy could last forever.
Thanks muesli. I’m going to send them one too.
omg – the octomom
wonder how she likes having eight one year olds
Wow…It just occured to me that Cindy screwed up big time by sending out a press release on her “Donation”. If she would have done it quitely, and would have marked the inside of the clothing somewhere with Caylee’s name. Then when the items were spred all over the place she could’ve started all over again with the “Casey didn’t do it” rant, and “Caylee’s clothes are turning up here and there, I told Law Enforcement Caylee wasn’t dead but they just had to frame my lil’Casey”.
Cindy must be getting old and tired. Not only is she no longer lying or making things up as much as she use to (at least it appears that way since she is staying off camera), but she also appears that she isn’t trying to plant evidence anymore. Trying to control D. Casey with sex must have drained her last reserves.
Poor Cindy, she needs a rest. Maybe a nice room and free meals for 5-10 yrs would help her.
HA! Since I never had children I would rather have a mouthful of root canals…
(My sister once compared a root canal and the before and after pain to labor)
T2M~Octomom. hahaha!
I really am sick of that wench.
LindaNewYork said, on August 25, 2010 at 4:24 pm
HA! Since I never had children I would rather have a mouthful of root canals…
(My sister once compared a root canal and the before and after pain to labor)
T2M~Octomom. hahaha!
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Gee Linda …. am I surprised? NO!
According to The Orlando Sentinel….George and Cindy have a “pair of new lawyers” from the Lippman Law Firm. Two more headed for the dust pile!
I for one am glad to hear Geo got a pair. lol
Hmmm so more than one, but from the same lawfirm. I guess they have so many legal issues they need multipul lawyers.
Linda I’ve had root canals and babies and I would actually let them give me more root canals while I was in labour rather than be friends with cindy!
Cindy and Geo’s new atty’s have filed their notices under the murder case #. lol
Ummmm earth to stupid lawyers….you have no standing.
muesli said, on August 25, 2010 at 11:17 am
I am so sorry that now your organization has been thrown into the circus ring of the Casey Anthony murder case. Please, if you need our help and donations, reject this obvious use of your organization as a public relations ploy of Cindy Anthony. The public is not blind to her intentions. Depending upon what happens with this shoe situation, you will or will not receive my support or the support of the thousands of people who follow this case very closely. Please do the right thing, and treat Cindy just as you treat all the other wonderful donors and volunteers who contribute to your organization.——
KUDOS Muesli! Well said, on point, perhaps I will email them also.
I am catching up for 2 days of comments, they look interesting! BBL
Someone mentioned up thread about GA/CA’s new attorney’s. I am, sick to death of those two, they are nothing but GRIFTOR’S! jmo.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-new-attorney-20100825,0,1022165.story
I am furious Baez has filed a MOTION to prevent DOCS from being released & claiming KC’s privacy is being invaded, yadayadayada! The DEFENSE/Anthony’s had 310 interviews through March 2010!
The STATE filed a MOTION in the beginning of the case for a GAG Order! The Anthony’s had quit their jobs & were profiting from the tragedy from the beginning, & Baez could only see $$$$$ signs & thought he would become wealthy selling Caylee’s memories!
The STATE lost that MOTION & CA said in an interview: “THEY JUST WANT TO SHUT US UP!!!!! The MEDIA shows the DEFENSE for what they are: IDIOT’S! MORON’S!
Now that Baez can’t make another dime while representing KC, he WANTS the flow of information to STOP AS apparently he even gets what a moron he appears to be! I say screw Baez & one of his latest MOTIONS.
The TAXPAYER’S are paying for KC’s Defense! EVERY MOTION Dumb/Dumber have filed that concerns the JAIL has been over ruled. JUDGE P has “carefully explained to Baez he has no jurisdiction over the freakin ja & their policiesl! WHY DOESN’T HE UNDERSTAND THIS? He wants nothing released on KC! TOO BAD! IDIOT!
Gee, C&G hire more lawyers to work their interview deals. Sick sick sick!
hey mixologist74, I just read at WS that Lippman is the Attorney the Anthony’s used when their house was in foreclosure so he knew the Anthony’s before. At least he is going into this crap shoot with his eyes open, wonder what he thought of the Anthony’s taking a cruise & getting tattoos instead of paying their mortgage, they had the money, they just thought they would pull a scam. Wonder how much the Anthony’s got for the 81 minute interview in their home with Kerry Sanders last week? TODAY SHOW admitted they paid them “licensing fees!”
WHY would any reputable attorney or attorney’s want to get involved with the “crazies?” I LMAO reading at WS, someone commented that at least with two attorney’s, they could “tag team, one could take a break at a time from the crazies to keep from going insane!”
“Why would any reputable attorney or attorney’s want to get involved with the “crazies?””
I would say for free PR (any press is good press), or maybe they agreed on taking “future royaties” earned from the death of a baby.
And the new attorney say’s, “he’ll be more conservative” and “will not be doing alot of national television interviews”…In other words…If you want the interviews then pay the fee’s. No money no talk.
Now if they can only get George and Cindy to cut back on the national television interviews.
Why must people HARASS this poor charity??? !!!!!!
It’s unfair and mean-spirited. It’s stooping to Cindy’s level. She threatens & berates people in email too.
Here’s this group doing a GOOD thing for children and people send them hate-mail, threatening and lashing out at them, because of their hatred for Cindy …all in the name of “Justice for Caylee”. Lovely!
Let the poor child rest!
Welcome back, art tart. Sorry that you had to go to a funeral =(
Good job Mueseli. I guess this was your intended goal by threatening this lady and posting her email for others to threaten her too.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/24764997/detail.html
Charity Group: We’re Not Associated With Anthony Family
Nonprofit Unaware Family Was Donating Caylee Anthony’s Shoes
POSTED: Wednesday, August 25, 2010
UPDATED: 12:20 am EDT August 26, 2010
EmailPrintORLANDO, Fla. — A Central Florida charitable group said they fear their organization will be hurt because of a donation made by Casey Anthony’s mother.
On Tuesday, Cindy Anthony sent an e-mail to Local 6, announcing that she would be donating some of her granddaughter’s belongings to the Children of Love Foundation.
“I will be attending this event on Saturday, donating some of Caylee’s shoes. I think that this project is worth mentioning,” Cindy Anthony wrote.
The organization’s founder, Doris Patalano, said she was unaware of Anthony’s donation until she began receiving harassing phone calls from protesters Wednesday morning.
Patalano, who was orphaned as a child, created the Children of Love Foundation with her husband nearly 20 years ago. The nonprofit organization provides food, clothing and mentoring to orphans in Honduras and Central Florida.
Patalano also works at a pharmacy, where she said Cindy Anthony has been a long-time customer. The Children of Love Foundation is holding their annual shoe drive at that same pharmacy.
Patalano recently began passing out fliers to her customers, including Anthony, to inform them of the shoe drive.
According to Patalano, Anthony offered to share the flier with local media outlets. Patalano assumed the media might mention the shoe drive as part of a “public service announcement.” She said she did not know Anthony was planning to donate her murdered granddaughter’s shoes, nor share that information with the media.
By Wednesday morning, Patalano said she was being bombarded with phone calls at home and at work from protesters, whom she described as “hateful.” Patalano fears the controversy could jeopardize her 20-year career at the pharmacy. She also said several other pharmacies have decided not to host similar shoe drives as a result of the negative publicity, which means fewer donations for the orphans.
Patalano wants the public to understand her organization has no association with the Anthony family. She does not believe Cindy Anthony meant to cause trouble, and offers her prayers to the family. However, Patalano insists that she has never sought publicity for her charity work.
Why, oh why would this seemingly kind woman, Patalano become the target of nasty phone calll???? It is beyond my understanding.
Yo Hola! said, on August 25, 2010 at 4:38 pm
LindaNewYork said, on August 25, 2010 at 4:24 pm
HA! Since I never had children I would rather have a mouthful of root canals…
(My sister once compared a root canal and the before and after pain to labor)
T2M~Octomom. hahaha!
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Gee Linda …. am I surprised? NO!
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Yo hola, what is that suposed to mean? Are you knocking me because I wasn’t able to have children?
LindaNewYork said, on August 26, 2010 at 7:49 am —-ABSOLUTELY NOT …… I would never, ever do that ….. and believe me ….. two of my dearest friends couldn’t have children —and, one is my oldest friend… going back more years that I wish to admit…… however, as dear and wonderful as they are in my life, neither quite grasp what the actual ramification and effects of life WITH children/young adults …..
Well, I don’t agree with “hate” fueled e-mails to this lady and her organization. (And Muesli, YOUR e-mail was NOT hate fueled and imagine others were.)
However, this is Cindy Anthony’s fault. Does she not know by now that her name, and anything she attaches her name to, become poison? She should know better by now that she is not admired, and cannot in any way shape or form be an asset to ANY organization having to do with children.
Did this woman NOT know the negativity surrounding Cindy Anthony? And when Cindy mentioned she would contact the media she should have begged Cindy not to.
Now with that all said, if she did NOT know all the negativity surrounding the Anthony’s then that means she is not following the case. So, Baez should not worry that Casey buying snacks will poision potential juror’s in Florida.
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So…Two more suckers are representing the Anthony’s. And one of them said “..I will not be doing “a lot” of television interviews.” So, does that mean he will only do “a little bit” of television interviews? haha Good luck, pal!
OK, Yo Hola. That was a short comment that I still don’t know what you mean…
And as far as grasping “what the actual ramification and effects of life WITH children/young adults …..” ? I have been surrounded by children since 1989. My best friend’s 3 kids who I was with ALL the time, not to mention a nephew, and now my 3 nieces. I have changed their diaper’s, fed them, hugged them, loved them, watched them grow…. Watched them for weekend’s, daytime, nightime. I am with my nieces, almost 2, 5 1/2 and 11, ALL the time.
Honestly to say anyone who does not have a child does not know the ramifications…of life WITH children is a ridiculous thing to say. Does that mean me or any of your friends think, “Oh big deal, a child is missing, murdered, who cares”? I can tell you that when I am with my 1 1/2 year old niece I shudder at the thought that a Casey Anthony could kill that little girl. That really is stupid, Yo Hola. As usual your one liner’s caused, me at least, to be annoyed.
As the Anthony Circus rolls over another innocent bystander I cringe a little more. The shoe drives are a wonderful thing and the media hounds are messing that up. No morals, ethics or sense of decency. I am surprised they weren’t posted on Ebay it would have been less painful for the charities.
“Do not overestimate the decency of the human race”
Henry Louis Mencken
The email address of the foundation was posted on numerous media sites. Threatening? Where, WooB did you come up with that? It is not my style. I am most certainly entitled to express my displeasure as I see fit. I don’t need your permission. Finished.
Linda —– don’t want to be labor the point — but — the pre-teen teen and beyond years are unlike anything anyone could imagine…. love, cherish, change diapers, take to the movie.l.. nothing like the telephone calls in the middle of the night…. seeing new “friend” who perhaps are toxic .. .and on and on ….. certain things I could not have discussed with certain friends…. they wouldn’t have had a clue … but. I love them all the same …. bbl
Yo Hola, this is a stupid conversation. WTH did thi have to do with being friend’s with Cindy and what people would rather go through, rather than being friends with Cindy?
I’m done. Moving on…
Maybe we should all help this charitable group out by donating some shoes to offset this horrible misunderstanding. IMO, what we should NOT do is lay the blame at the feet of anyone other than the vile anthony clan. People shouldn’t have made hate calls or sent hate emails, but one certainly has the right, as Muesli did, of offering an alternative to tainting the reputation of the organization by its implied association with the anthonys. The media reports the news that we want to hear. We have all demanded coverage and like them or not, the anthonys antics are news. The media keeps us aware of their various scams and we can thwart their efforts to free a murderess. Perhaps we can turn this into a good thing for a worthy charity….and perhaps other groups will think twice before allowing the creature aka cindy to use them as her platform.
LNY: I understand your confusion. That response was as disjointed as a skeleton hanging in a hurricane! It is ridiculous for anyone to imply that one cannot understand the trials of child rearing simply because they have born no children. It is equally as ridiculous to imply that the challenges of raising a child or children could be used as an excuse for murdering same.
By the way, Hi art tart, glad you are back. Very sorry for the loss if your loved one.
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Hi frankie. Yes, organizations should steer clear of any of the Anthony’s wanting to “help” as it can only bring negativity to their cause. Like I said above, Cindy knows her name is poison. She is to blame for the negativity this organization got.
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Regarding the confusion, I was going to ignore. But damn me for trying to make heads or tails as to the point.
LOL…it does get hard to ignore! I have a person in my life who just loves to make the public snipe attacks knowing I do the civilized thing and not respond. I finally just told her to effoff and I don’t engage her anymore. When something comes back to me that she said, I respond with the truth and only the truth…no emotion, no anger, no humiliation…just the facts. That is what I will do here unless and until I get booted. Screw her and these idiot bloggers….like I said to the dreaded orange ogre…if you wanna be the blog buffoon….go for it, but I will call your BS every time. I think RS is influencing my poor behavior these days!
I think cindy and bozo are doing whatever they can to keep this case sensationalized. After all, as long as snot head casey is in the limelight, they and she get special treatment. Not to mention the grand$$$$$$$$$$$. cindy lost sight of Caylee as soon as that slime casey admitted she murdered her.
LNY….by “you” above, I meant those who wish to disrupt…not YOU!!!
Oh, no worries, frankie. I wouldn’t have thought you were referring to me.
There are people in all our lives who like to incite and get on your nerves with hit and run remarks.
“Cindy lost sight of Caylee as soon as that slime Casey admitted she murdered her”
Casey hasn’t “admitted she murdered her” …Yet. She would have to do that for a plea deal.
Cindy was only concerned about Caylee while there was a chance to blame someone else, once Caylee was found, Justice for Caylee was tossed like Caylee herself was, and then Cindy’s whole focus turned to saving the lil’murderess.
Cindy was upset when she found out Caylee was missing, and wanted help, now! But a little later when she found it was Casey, she went from being upset to being angry with everybody but Casey. And when Caylee was found, and all of Cindy’s lies and B.S. got exposed, then and only then did she cry and squeezed those poor dogs almost to death getting in her car. Since then, she is again angry with everybody but Casey. You never here her or any other Anthony talking about Caylee or how justice should be served.
It’s all about Casey, it always was, even in jail when she heard about the reward amount for Caylee’s return her response was “that’s half of my bail!!” Never any concern for Caylee except as an after thought (better say something to make me look good).
They treat Caylee and the memory of her like a commodity to be traded and sold soley for profit.
I think there was absolutely the unspoken “I know you know I killed Caylee”, and the unspoken “You know we know you killed Caylee”.
You are absolutely right, Doug, it is all about Casey. And not about any “justice” for the killer of Caylee. It is one thing to forgive and lie and cover up and make excuses for your adult child when she steals and lies, but to forgive and lie and cover up and makeke excuses for the murderer of the person who killed your granddaughter is absurd.
I for one, am glad that C&G will have to continue for the rest of their lives, or the rest of Casey’s life, to support her by keeping money in a jail commisary account. I think that is hilarious! They are stuck with each other!
I do remember when the murdering mother said “that’s half my bail”. What a POS.
Cindy thinks she will write a book and live off the proceeds forever. I do not think anyone will buy it nor do I think any publisher will touch it. They won’t make any money. All we need to know about “their” side of the story has already been released and read by the public.
Doug Wollenburg said, on August 26, 2010 at 11:00 am
They treat Caylee and the memory of her like a commodity to be traded and sold soley for profit.
Yes they do! I wasn’t saying casey admitted murder to anyone other than her family. I do believe she told them that she killed Caylee accidentally and they bought it hook line and sinker. Wonder what they think of the duct tape?
WooBaby, I’m going to assume that as you couldn’t possibly know what I may or may not have said in my email to the charity, you were not including me in your judgment? Thanks. Appreciate it. In return I promise not to interfere or involve myself in any way with any of your email correspondence.
LindaNewYork and Frankie:
I also think it was unspoken,they know each other to well.
Had a thought last night…When Amy sent the change of address in, people have thought that Casey might of been planning to kill her parents to get the house. But it occurred to me that it was more than likely an attempt to steal Amy’s identity, but Casey didn’t get to the mail before Cindy.
And all the practice signatures that were found, again people thought she was just dreaming of marriage. But again, it was more likely she was practicing in order to steal, so she could smoothly write her false name as she gushes to the clerk about being a newlywed and how she still has to get her new ID and how they’re still waiting for the new checks to come.
I think Casey’s been stealing for years, which would explain the constant changing of freinds and her groups of freinds who didn’t know each other (these groups would also allow her to fake a job and to allow her to not go home when things got hot there).
I can think of at least two (2) laws that could be created because of the anthony’s behavior, the first is of course “Caylee’s Law” the second is based on the Child Endangerment Law, only this would be “The Society Endangerment Law”. That’s when the Parent(s) of a child cover up their childs wrong doing and by doing so creates a monster that could or does endangers any member of the public or the common good.
Linda, that’s for sure! Who on earth will ever buy a book from Cindy? Or any of the Anthonys. Or their DUH-fense Team? They are despised. Look at the public’s reaction to her simply donating Caylee’s shoes. She couldn’t move a book even if she was giving them away to charity, too. Why would anyone want to pay to hear more of her lies?
Can anyone help me out here? I’ve been trying to remember a comment made by “someone” I think being interviewed on TV who stated that LE definitely knew who Caylee’s father was because of DNA testing. It’s a foggy little memory. Does anyone else remember that or am I dreaming (always a possibility)?
Below is a little snippet (?) from a comment made by “Momof3” at Hinky’s. I thought it was a really great idea and a way to help a charity that has been harmed because of our distaste and distrust of cindy anthony.
“I hope everyone, if they can, would take it upon themselves to donate money to this charity or shoes and I hope they will do so in little Caylee’s name- otherwise, we are perpetuating little Caylee’s name being sullied – even though that was not our intention.”
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/24/miscellaneous-topics-on-the-caylee-marie-anthony-case-%e2%80%93-part-32/
That’s a good thought about the Amy address thing…But I truly think it was just another lie Casey told to make her “look cool” like having a “Nanny” working as an “event planner”…”I am being given a house”. BUT ya never know.
“The Society Endangerment Law”. LOL! Too bad parent’s who “enable” is done behind closed doors.
Lee stated the family knew who the father was but didn’t want to drag his family into this mess
Doug, I love your ideas for Caylee’s Law. Something good HAS TO come from all of this bad.
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/video-lee-anthony-admits-knowing-identity-of-caylee-s-father
Regarding Caylee’s father’s identity, Lee continued, “Well, if I know, she’s [Casey’s] gotta know… she told me…”
I seem to only make comment here when irritated with the “orange one” yet this time I have to say:
It is a shame a gag order wasn’t issued as Cindy would be in contempt of court many times over for violating the gag order. I don’t believe the Court would give her a free pass !!
IMO, although we have already been made aware of the atmosphere in which Casey was raised, I am afraid the Anthony’s at this point make a concentrated effort of showing themselves “crazies”. After all, I am sure they believe they can at least save their daughter from the death penalty.
I would think that any book published which is connected to the Anthonys would be treated as if it were the plague….just as OJ’s book “If I had Did it” ,(or title somewhat as just stated).
Regarding the charity, I am sure if we all make a donation because of what Cindy has caused, Cindy will only claim success was due to her bringing attention to it. If the “shoe drive” is not great, then Cindy will only see it as the public being mean and unfair.
Whew ! I feel better.
Thanks for that link Kim. I don’t recall seeing that interview with Lee before. The comment I remember hearing was made by an older man. I can almost see his face. I think it was that older guy with the funny shaped head (sorry, I wish I knew his name).
WooBaby, I have a bad habit of shooting my mouth off sometimes before I think which is what I did earlier. I am sorry. You weren’t even addressing me so I had no business to respond. I hope you’re not mad at me but if you are I understand.
After that comment I went to Hinky’s. Maybe you already know there’s been good discussions there about the charity. I couldn’t believe that cindy actually said in her email “Unfortunately the media would not have normally covered this event, had it not been for my involvement.” It’s all about her, her, her!
Newbie maybe cindy will finally see how attaching her name to anything is the kiss of death. That’s what I would like to believe. No doubt her thinking was getting her name out there in order to next bring focus to her own fraudation. I do not like to think of any legitimate charities suffering because of her contamination but I do like it that people are not going to take anymore bs from that family and cindy in particular
Bees Knees, I too don’t want a legitimate charity to suffer and will make a contribution yet as you well know, Mizzzz Cindy will never see she is “the kiss of death”, and I do intend that to be connected with Caylee’s death.
Just checked out the video of Lee/the father of Caylee is dead story.
I think the Anthony family are a bunch of suckers for believing a conniving, lying, biotch and her tale of who Caylee’s father is. There has been specualtion (?) as to the deceased person. If he IS the father LE would have checked it out and gone through DNA sampling. Who knows, maybe they did and he wasn’t the guy.
And BS, that the family would not want to mention the father’s name dead or alive, out of the goodness of their hearts, so the family wouldn’t have to go through what they are going through. If they really knew who the father was, he, and his family would have been on their fairy tale list of suspects. Puhleeze!
Bees, “older guy with a funny shaped head” lol-lol!
BeesKnees, “kiss of death” is now going to stay in my head !!!! I would go further now and call Cindy “the Mistress of Death.”
OK. One more and then I’ll stop. I promise. This letter below says it perfectly. I did not write it. A blogger named Bob at Hinky’s did. I want to share it here and then I’ll stop dragging her comments over to here.
To Cindy,
Just in case you read here out of curiosity, or know someone who does who can pass this along to you….
Rather than bad mouth you, or give my personal opinion of you, I’d like to make a plea to you.
Because of the tragic death of Caylee your family, mostly because of your unwillingness to keep a low profile, has been judged by the public. Rarely are there any kind words spoken when discussing the Anthony family. The reputation of your family is toxic to to any organization that has to do with missing family members, charities, etc..etc..
If you truly and honestly want to do a good deed, please do so anonymously. That is the only real way to give from the heart. To do so otherwise isn’t sincere. Your presence and name will only bring negative publicity and possible irreversible damage to any organization you try to associate yourself with. All your talk about the Bible and your faith in God sure doesn’t seem to match up with the actions you take. Talking about a kind gesture and actually making one are two different things. God I’m sure would rather you just take action without looking for the pat on the back. We all know your next media interview will include you saying how you can’t even do a good deed without criticism. There wouldn’t be criticism if you didn’t advertise the good deed prior to making it. Wouldn’t it be sad if even one person decided not to give to this charity now because you have associated your name with it? Is that what you want? Because right or wrong that will be the case. How many less children will now receive shoes because of your ulterior motives? It doesn’t matter if your intentions were good. Public opinion they aren’t. If they really are, then doing it anonymously shouldn’t matter. Haven’t you already done enough damage? There are already many families who truly needed TES but because of their involvement with you had to be turned away.
How many more people are going to suffer because of your arrogant ego? What do you think God wants more, shoe donations or another Cindy Anthony segment on channel 6 ?
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Doesn’t that say it all?
Newbie! “Cindy Anthony ~ Mistress of Death.” Ha ha ha ha ha (chills, chills . . .)
Linda you know it!!! When has any one of them done something out of the goodness of their hearts? PUH-lease!
BUT, who was it that said that LE definitely knew who Caylee’s father was because of DNA testing? It’s bugging me. I’m going to see if I can find it. BBIAB.
I think the guy with the funny shaped head is Dr. Perper.
Dr. Purper (sp)?
lol mix
great minds 😉
😛
I’m good for something every once in a while LOL
I was looking at Caylee Marie Anthony’s FB photo album and saw a few photos of dear Caylee that I’ve never run across before.
Some say they were posted on April 23..is that Casey’s Bday? (not going to look it up right now)
Maybe these are repeats for some of you but I thought I might mention them anyway not only because like the tape on the find me poster, maybe someone might find a little clue; but because I was struck once again at how darling a little girl Caylee was.
I don’t think I can link the page directly as I believe one must be logged into FB? I got there from a simple ‘search friends’ after logging in.
Here are two photos I never saw; (there are some others there that were new, at least to me, there also).
Those pictures hurt my heart
Yes. That’s right. The man with the odd head is Dr. Perper. Thanks. But I was wrong. I found what I was looking for and I had the wrong person. It was Dr Baden and he was on Fox News one morning, talking about the Anthony case and he said the LE definitely knew who the father was. The interviewer asked how they knew and Dr B replied that they knew from DNA testing. He did not elaborate, nor did the interviewer follow up on that comment. Does anyone else remember that?
Hi mix! Hi Kim! I hadn’t seen those two pics before. She was a sweet little jelly bean with such inner sparkle. Casey had no idea of the treasure she had in her care. She was far to good for anyone in that family. They hurt my heart too Kim.
BEES KNEES:
Yes, it is an interesting head, I’ve often wondered how that happened. I believe the man you’re asking about is (forgive spelling) Dr, Perffer, I believe he is a Medical Examiner. Everytime I hear his name the Dr. Pepper song pops into my head…lol.
As to who the father is…
I don’t think Casey has a clue who the father is, let alone the what, where, when and how. If she filed for S.S.A. Death Benifits she would have to prove he was the father (DNA). And Casey and Cindy, as we have seen many a time, will sell a dead babies memories. Ther’s no way they’d turn that free money down if they could’ve gotten it.
And if he was alive and Casey knew, she would’ve filed for support and gotten 18 years of free money from him. And not to mention Gov’t support, foodstamps, housing, W.I.C.,…etc…etc…
This has always bothered me, why didn’t they file? People better off then the Anthony’s file for benifits, yet they never did. Why???
he said his Aunt dropped him on his head when he was a baby
It’s wrong to laugh (giggle, giggle), Kim.
Doug, that’s true isn’t it? WHY didn’t they???? It goes against everything we’ve come to know about this family. They must not have a clue, but good Lord! How hard would it have been to figure it out? Where there THAT many men? Selfish skanky crank twat!!
Good Evening Friends, welcome “Newbie.”
Hal Boedeker has as interesting article in his BLOG about the charity event.He also included this:
1. The ANTHONY Attorney’s are preparing a STATEMENT! (more drama?, the problem is, CA created this backlash! WHY won’t she just shut up?)
2. Tony L.’s attorney has filed a MOTION to “quash Baez’s MOTION wanting more of his cell phone records!”
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/?p=20041
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imo, Baez needs to do a deposition on Tony L! LOL! Tony had a job & went to College while KC trolled for friends & relatives to steal from!
Will CA go to the Charity Event on Saturday? I hope NOT!
UNBELIEVABLE!
In the MOTION filed to get Tony’s cell phone records, the DEFENSE wants the Records through the PRESENT!
YOU CAN’T MAKE THIS STUFF UP! Now that Baez isn’t making any money, he is going to take 32 depositions in ONE DAY! LOL! Boy, his time is so precious, WHY bother to do an “acceptable job?”
The article said:
In another filing Thursday, Casey Anthony’s defense team filed a notice of taking depositions for Sept. 3. The notice lists 18 law-enforcement officials scheduled for deposition from 9 a.m. to noon that day.
The notice lists another 17 law-enforcement officials to be deposed between 1 p.m. and 5 p.m. that day.
The officials to be deposed are employees of the Orange County Sheriff’s Office, Metropolitan Bureau of Investigations, the Office of Inspector General, Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the U.S. Secret Service and Orlando police.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-boyfriend-motion-20100826,0,3498582.story
Mueseli –
This is the portion of your email that was threatening.
“Depending upon what happens with this shoe situation, you will or will not receive my support or the support of the thousands of people who follow this case very closely. Please do the right thing, and treat Cindy just as you treat all the other wonderful donors and volunteers who contribute to your organization.”
Anyway, I’m over this subject. It’s become like fingernails on a chalkboard, as most of the other shite in this case.
Art Tart:
So in the morning he will depose 18 Officers spending appox 10 minutes on each. So after each one is sworn in, asked to state name, rank, Dept, years there, then “thank you, you may go.
Then in the afternoon he will depose 17 officers spending appox 18 minutes on each. So it appears the officers in the afternoon are more important to Baez’s Case. That’s why he needs the extra 8 minutes each…To ask the hard questions and trip them up. Now we will see the True Genius behind the Baez/Mason Think Tank.
Wouldn’t it be a blast if all the officers sat there chomping on gum, making faces and demanding that Baez and Mason answer their qustions. That would be priceless.
And shouldn’t Zanny’s Attorney be there also?? After all, Baez insisted/demanded to be there when Zanny’s Attorney deposed the Anthony’s.
BEES KNEES said, on August 26, 2010 at 3:11 pm
WooBaby, I’m going to assume that as you couldn’t possibly know what I may or may not have said in my email to the charity, you were not including me in your judgment? Thanks. Appreciate it. In return I promise not to interfere or involve myself in any way with any of your email correspondence.
BEES KNEES said, on August 26, 2010 at 5:01 pm
WooBaby, I have a bad habit of shooting my mouth off sometimes before I think which is what I did earlier. I am sorry. You weren’t even addressing me so I had no business to respond. I hope you’re not mad at me but if you are I understand.
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It’s okay. I guess you realized that someone did in fact paste their email content in here. If you do that in the future then it’s fair game, too, k? 😉
As to Caylee’s potential father and WHY the Anthony’s wouldn’t seek him or the family out to get child support or death benefits. I can see the other side. To do so, most likely they would’ve had to share custody of Caylee which I cannot see Cindy allowing. Someone outside of their clan would be able to make decisions and raise her the way they would have wanted to. ANNNDDDD, I bet you the father, or if he’s dead – the family, could prove that Casey was an unfit mother (which wouldn’t be hard to do), they could’ve gained primary or sole custody. Which would’ve given Cindy an all-out stroke!
So this is one scenario where I can see the money not winning them over, but it doesn’t matter because Caylee was slaughtered.
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Also, there are two dead fathers in contention… Eric Baker and Jesus Ortiz. She told different people different dead fathers.
By the way, both of those guys are real people who died. Casey presented Cindy with a newspaper obituary of one of them, I presume to get her of her back about it. I can’t recall which doc it’s in, though.
Here is Eric Baker’s actual death certificate…
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/8412112/Casey-Anthony-Eric-Baker-death-certificate
And here’s an article about Jesus Ortiz…
http://www.wftv.com/news/17091439/detail.html
Well, that was easy to find…
It’s Rick Plesea’s Interview – he states Casey cut out the obit of Jesus from the newspaper to get Cindy off her back…
Click to access rplesea082108.pdf
NS: So any idea who the father is?
RP: I have no idea who he is. But I know, I don’t think in my gut that it’s that guy named Ortiz, and that Jesus guy. Uh, if you look at Caylee she has no Hispanic traits at all. I, I would say this about Casey. If she sees something or hears something she will spin it into her own little world to make it work for her, whatever kind of lie it is. And uh, Cindy was on her back trying to find out who this, who the father was when it wasn’t Jesse. And uh, to get her off, off uh, Casey’s back, to get Cindy off her back I think she cut out this obituary. This, she knew of this Jesse guy, or, or not Jesse, uh, uh, Jesus guy, and she cut his obituary out and, and told Cindy that it was a uh, it was, he was the father.
NS: So you think she purposely…
RP: Uhm…
NS: You think she purposely…
RP: I…
NS: …found somebody who is, was deceased? Uh…
RP: Exactly. I, I think the, my, my own gut feeling, I think the father is out there. And I think the only way that Caylee is still here is if he has her and that, that Casey gave it to him. That’s my own gut feeling. Uhm, because I’m not buying that story. And I’m hoping they do the DNA test to, to prove that it’s not Ortiz’. Because even his mom said he never, ever mentioned anybody named, named uh, Casey Anthony.
Good one WooBabie, Cindy wouldn’t share and could you see Casey with a nosey mother-in-law, asking questions and such. To Casey that would be like having two Cindy’s on her back. And it occured to me, Casey couldn’t apply for food stamps (EBT) and the like because that would have exposed to Cindy that she didn’t have a job cause Cindy would have to also sign the forms since they lived together.
Any idea as to who, if anyone was claiming Caylee as an dependent? Casey couldn’t, no job, no tax returns for a min of 2 years. And if Cindy took her deduction, then wouldn’t she also wonder why Casey wasn’t claiming her since she had that great, set your own hours, job? Didn’t Cindy wonder where that nice chunk of tax return money went every year?
Are they gone yet? My week long company? Yes? YAY! I love them, but …
You all have given me a whole lot to catch up on! Thanks! It will give me an excuse to sit on my butt all day.
🙂
The problem (amongst many) with Casey is that she lies. About everything. So, who knows. She probably lied about who the father is. How convenient that the supposed father is “dead”. Just like how convenient was it that she “lost her phone”
Hi DougW. I would imagine no one claimed Caylee since Casey was not working whatsoever. Oh, of course as a “shot girl” So, what do shot girls get paid? Mininum wage? Free shots? Is it an “on-the-books” job? Is it even considered a “job”? LOL!
Hi Woobaby…There ya go. Conveniently, like I said above, the father is “deceased”. And Like I said waaaay above the family is a bunch of suckers if they really believe everything she tells them. What a pathetic little family they are.
Hi art tart. Absolutely un-freakin’-believable wanting Tony’s records from Jan 2009 to NOW! I guess they eally are going with SODDI. So how long do you thing the SODDI list is? I wonder if he is still in FL or back in NY? AND wasn’t the defense already told NO on getting his phone records AFTER the “timeline” of Caylee’s “kidnapping” and body being found?
Morning friends!
Doug – can you believe that? Dumb/Dumber to do 35 depos in one day! Why bother, exactly what can they find out in such a few minutes except to verify their names, addresses, & they were really at the remains site or how they were involved in the investigation. LOL! you got them figured out with the extra long depos in the afternoon! But the thing is Doug, Baez may confuse Mason! LOL!
Woobabie, thanks for the links & I agree, CA’s personality wouldn’t allow a “father’s participation in Caylee’s life as it would be “beyond her control” & as you pointed out, a father might seek custody or accuse KC of being “a poor mother.” A father’s rights would “trump CA’s every time,” she knew that. I love the honesty of Rick Pleasa, Caylee has an advocate in him & S Pleasa, imo.
Hunter! Glad to see them come, Glad to see them go! Been there! LOL!
LindaNewYork, Yes, I too thought Judge S narrowed the “cell phone calls to several months,” NOT the entire records. HOW can Baez justify wanting the records till now? imo, Tony L. has a really sharp attorney, I have seen him several times on IN SESSION & he is sharp.
LNY: So you are saying, no matter what, the BIO dad was “dead” to the Anthony’s, alive or deceased! I get what your saying.
Linda, that’s the problem, right? If casey says the father is Jesus Ortiz, we can almost be certain that it’s NOT him, skanky liar that she is. cindy would probably like us to believe that when casey says it’s Jesus Ortiz she is really only using his name as an anagram, so what she really means is, the father’s real name is, like, Sejsu Trizo. Ha ha ha ha ha. Remember when this all began and cindy was passing out casey’s “clues” with a straight face??? Wasn’t that just over-the-top ridiculous?
Does anyone know if anything be determined by testing a family’s dna? So even if Caylee’s father has passed on, testing his family could give them proof of Caylee’s dad? I want so bad to believe that Dr Baden knew what he was talking about when he said they knew who the father was from DNA testing, but I realize he might not have been right.
ART!!! You’re not kidding, are you?? Dumb/Dumber to do 35 depos in one day??? WHAT??? Oh pleeeeeease, Mr. Sheaffer can you shed any light on, or interpret for us, what in the hell casey’s defense is doing now? Has anyone ever done 35 depos in one day before? This has caused my brain to ache! It’s too much!!!! Too much!
Actually what I was saying regarding Casey saying the father was deceased is that she is a liar.
So, if she didn’t know WHO the father was, because of possilby sleeping around, she had to come up with something. So perhaps #1, she may have known of a friend that died and when confronted with “who is the father”, made up a lie to Cindy that he died, and “oh, here Mom, is his obituary”, instead of saying “oh, Mom, I don’t know know who it is , coz I slept with a couple of people.” SO, the “father” is conveniently dead. OR she perused the obits…
And #2, I truly believe if there was a chance of collecting child support, Cindy would have forced her to pursue it OR Casey, needing money, would have pursued it.
Casey lies and tells story. So I beleive this is just a “story”. Another full of crap story like the Nanny Story. Like the “I lost my phone story” Like the “CAylee called me today story”, Like the “I work at Universal, let’s go to my office, story” etc., etc.
There’s a problem with Casey’s story about the father. She claimed that the father was killed in a crash on the way to Caylee’s birthday party. We know Caylee’s birthday was in August, and Eric Baker’s date of death was in May 2007. Does anyone know when Jesus Ortiz died? I didn’t see it printed anywhere in the article.
We need to get Maury on the job!
Kim, LOL about Maury, the Paternity King!
BEES KNEES: NO I am not kidding about 35 depositions to be done by Dumb & Dumber in one day. It would seem Baez/Mason, aka, Dumb/Dumber need “mental health evaluations” as at a minimum, it would seem the two are just going through the process of saying they did depos. What a sorry defense, imo
WHAT’S NEXT IN THE CASE?
On Monday, there’s a status hearing in the case, but Casey is not required to be there.
WFTV is also waiting on more discovery to be released. The documents should include phone records from witnesses and recordings of phone calls made by one of Casey’s jail pen pals, Robyn Adams.
http://www.wftv.com/news/24775035/detail.html
WHAT A CROCK!!
The Caylee Daily has the MEDIA STATEMENT from the Anthony Attorney’s. They are blaming the MEDIA claiming publicity in the case was a burden on the Court. Of course, there was no mention of the “Charity Event, CA sending an email to toot her own horn about donating Caylee’s Shoes, or the backlash & anger the public feels from the public because they won’t demand justice for Caylee!
There is NO controlling Cindy, these attorney’s had an opportunity to address the behavior but chose to BLAME the MEDIA! How are they going to SHUT CA UP & is she going to attend the Charity Event???????????
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/08/cindy-george-anthonys-attorneys-speak-out/comment-page-2/#comments
Mr. Sheaffer:
So Baez is now cutting edge~ Depose in record time, aptly named “Get in Line
and Take a Number” had a good chuckle reading some of the comments referencing his strategy.
He probably has some assembly line with a conveyer belt set up.
RAPID FIRE QUESTIONS…That’s how Baez is going to question the officers. One misspoken word or forgotten name and it will be the T.E.S. records all over again.
Baez/Mason may also be trying to use an old cop trick of asking a question that has more than one question in it, yet demand that it’s just a simple yes or no answer to the question.
Example…
“I’ll just ask you one simple yes or no question. So you didn’t call them, you just drove by? Simply answer yes or no”.
See the trick? If you said “yes” (answering the first part), then they tricked you into saying you drove by. And if you said “no” (answering the second part) you just said you called.
This type of question does not help to determine guilt or innocence, it’s just a play on words. But it can be used to arrest someone (guilty or not) or to cause confusion in the court of public opinion.
Confusion is all Beaz/Mason have to work with. That’s what up with all the motions about the same thing over and over again, they’re trying to cause confusion, waiting for that one misstake.
I don’t know when Jesus died. I’ll have to search.
I did go back to tag Eric Baker’s name in the interviews. Here is a clip from one of Cindy’s. This is exactly where I got my opinion that Cindy would not allow a father to be involved in Caylee’s life! How audacious and pompous to decide a father doesn’t get that right.
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Q Okay. Do you still feel it’s possible that Jesse is the father?
A I don’t know.
Q Okay .
A I don’t think so, from what — when Casey told me later on that it was Eric.
Q Okay. Let me talk about that now. She told, you — what did she later tell you about the paternity of Caylee?
A Well, when Jesse said that it wasn’t him, then the only person she knew that she had a relationship with was Eric, when he — right around that time.
Q Eric who ?
A Eric Baker.
Q Is that someone you knew?
A No. It was someone I heard her talk about. It was a friend of hers from high school. He was actually in town sometime around that time frame, in the fall of 2005 — or 2004.
Q And was there any discussion about pursuing child support from —
A No. There never was. It was mutual.
Q Why was that?
A He already had his own family. He — once he went back home, he got back with his girlfriend and they married.
Q And where do you know that from?
A From Casey.
Q Just from Casey, but —
A Yes.
Q — not from any other source?
A No.
Q And just so I’m clear, you all did not — youdid discuss pursuing child support from —
A Nobody.
Q — the father?
A We never pursued any child support from anybody. In fact, that was the reason why we went to an attorney right after Caylee was born.
Q I guess my question was: Did you all discuss pursuing child support?
A We never discussed pursuing child support with anybody. That was something right from the beginning. Casey did not want anybody to support Caylee.
Q Except you?
A Yes. Except us, George and myself.
Q Did you and George ever discuss the possibility of Casey pursuing support from the father?
A No. We never did. We didn’t want that. None of us did. The three of us decided we did not want anybody to have that.
Q To have what?
A To have a relationship with Caylee. They weren’t involved, so we thought it was best for them not to be.
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If what Cindy said above was true about his visit in the fall of 2005 (which was when Caylee was conceived), Eric Baker was 16
99.9999% of people donate without saying a thing, Cindy needs the world to know she’s donating a “pair” of shoes, Just trying to get some positive PR in her life. But that would be like the Manson Family saying that they will be donating “Forks” to help feed the hungry. She’s really only thinking about herself.
WooBabie:
Jesus, it is said, died about 2010 years ago.
But casey did use him to help her be forgiving for her sins (getting pregnent) with Cindy.
If they knew whose Caylee’s father was they would have been chasing him for child support payments if alive or chasing his SS death benefits if deceased in a car crash…get real
So allrighty then, where I come from, worded as below in quotes from the press release the new attorneys issued as posted by Caylee daily…., seems situation normal, they will continue to contribute to distractions…LOL…..
Is it me or does it seem like lawyers don’t proofread things before they just funnel them out the door…to say we cannot not contribute means to me they cannot help themselves they will continue to do that which they state…
“we cannot not contribute to distractions that may hinder the presentation of the defense in this case nor that of the prosecution.”
Doug, I agree, donating Caylee’s shoes & emailing Click Orlando, was “all about the self absorbed CA.” Were Caylee’s shoes more important than any other pair of shoes, imo, no, giving comes from the heart not to create “drama/hardship” for a charity,” & then not have the guts for apologizing.
Woobabie, morning. One thing we know for sure, the Anthony’s will continue to lie at all costs.
RS, it seems the Attorney’s just put out a “release for publicity, & validate they are supporting the defense,” imo, the problems CA/Gas Can George have caused for the Defense are already done.
Baez filed another MOTION to stop the flow of information, it too will fail. The STATE wanted a GAG Order in this case but the Defense saw $$$$$ selling Caylee’s memories & the ANT’s had already quit their jobs & were bilking Caylee’s tragedy for every dime they could & still are! CA screamed: “THEY ARE JUST TRYING TO SHUT US UP!” Now that Baez can’t make money off of Caylee, he wants the “flow of information that they demanded to STOP!”
The Anthony’s can’t live with any kind of a GAG ORDER because they live off of Caylee, the Anthony’s apparently don’t plan to ever work again! The DEFENSE looks like IDIOTS weekly in the MEDIA, I bet they want it stopped!
art tart
my point was look at the wording…..of the quoted area….
unreal, IMO seems very unprofessional no proofreading and very sloppy to me…
RS, I agree with your comment, but, it was the “message that pissed me off” with them. WHY issue anything at all, how many more looking for their “15 minutes of fame” are going to crawl out from under rocks.
These attorney’s are NUTS if they think they have any ability to control the behavior & the mouth, especially of CA, imo. She has & will do, imo, any damn thing she wants no matter what anybody says.
Bee’s I recall very early one the family of Jesus Ortiz said they would be tested, also that there was still dna of Jesus’s that could be tested.
Now, if this was ever done I do not know.
And yes it was Dr. Baden that has stated they know who the father is, he also stated that in another venue other than Fox News, that I happen to have he also made a couple of other statements that honestly do not look good, good thing he will not be a witness for the defense.
RS…yup, the double negative makes it a positive. Therefore; we can expect them to “contribute to distractions that may hinder the presentation of the defense in this case nor that of the prosecution.” Just as they said!
LOL…Do the anthonys actually know anyone with a brain cell or a conscious? Never mind, that should have been a declarative statement not a question!
I really think that the only benefit in knowing WHO the is the father is that knowledge would certainly give us insight into the family dynamics. The mystery surrounding the family is odd at best.
Frankie:
I am almost sure if they “the defense” could prove a live baby daddy they would have a party.
After all they would have someone new to point their fingers at.
Other than that I think it is just one of those things that nags at most folks.
Who was he, did he know, is he dead, alive, would it have made a difference in the out come?????
All those what if’s just tend to nag.
Hi everyone, all i want to hear or see is Casey’s face when hearing guilty of murder in the first degree and the sound of foot shackles while she is carted off for good, Cindy muzzled behind bars, George dreamining about River behind bars, Lee aka Eddie Munster, fading away in his own laughter and never the twaine shall meet.
Knight owl, that is a lot! Sounds like you want to see the mess done and over with. lol
REMEMBER! STATUS HEARING MONDAY, KC PROBABLY WON’T BE THERE!
The Anthony’s BOUGHT NEW SHOES TO DONATE, THEY DIDN’T DONATE CAYLEE’S SHOES! Guess they thought they would try to sell Caylee’s things on EBAY to make money for themselves, jmo. They showed up at the event & donated 6 pairs of new shoes & socks & were seen mingling with the crowd.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/?p=20134
http://www.wesh.com/news/24798993/detail.html
Do they not realize it was NOT Caylees shoes that pissed people off, it was CINDY calling the media to tout their giving.
Little Caylees shoes are not the point, the point is Cindy is an ASS that wanted face time for her mug on the telly.
Did everyone that gave shoes call wesh2 and ch 6, NO only Cindy felt the need to say oh btw look at me I am a wonderful person I’m giving something away!!!!
She is such a peice of puke, only she could turn it around to make it people did not want her to give Caylees shoes, yikes I could give that women such a SMACK!!
Hi mix! Jesus Ortiz died in a crash on May 08, 2007. Ha ha ha ha ha . . . So. According to casey, both Ortiz and Baker died in May 2007. Do we have a specific date in May ’07 for Eric Baker?
Doug, I don’t think Bozo or Leghorn could pull off anything that required quick-thinking (the old cop trick). Bozo may lay awake at night WISHING he could, but knowing his own severe limitations he won’t even try. Neither have ever shown us that they can think on thir feet.
Yeah. Think on THIR feet ~ like me!! LOL!
Here’s the link re: Jesus Ortiz death:
http://www.mydeathspace.com/article/2008/02/12/Jesus_Ortiz_(21)_died_from_injuries_sustained_in_an_automobile_accident
Judy, I agree. I would love to know who the father is but it’s mostly because I’m nosy, I don’t think it would matter much, if anything, to casey’s prosecution.
From reading the transcripts it seems that everytime Cindy decided what to do she says “We decided”, As if George or Casey had a say. Cindy ran the home, Cindy said no to telling the father’s family (how could they be involved with Caylee, if no one ever told them about her). Caylee was Cindy’s baby, she screwed up with the first one, she wasn’t going to do the same with Caylee. But now with Caylee gone, she’s forced to salvage what she can from Casey.
Doug, with cindy “we” means “me.”
Hi ya Rock, yes your correct. Justice for Caylee has been way to long already and i am thoroughly sick of the ants. I am sick also of Baez and Mason.
Bees, i would like to know the baby dadddy due to just being nosey too.lol. can you imagine how ticked off cindy must be having to buy new shoe due to protesting? hahaha.
Good grief, SOS, calling all first grader’s to spell check for me tonite from the looks of my last post. lol.
Question for anyone. What does SODDI stand for? TIA~~~
hey knight owl, SODDI means “Some Other Dude Did It.”
Evening judy, judy, judy, I agree, “Shoegate” was “all about CA!”
BEES, I too would like to know who Caylee’s father was, that, I am afraid is something we may never know.
Doug, good observation, your right! CA always says “We Decided,” as if GA is “given the time of day!
I don’t believe that Cindy and George Anthony will shut their big fat traps. IMO they’re addicted. Every time they open their mouths I feel like smacking them. I’m not a violent person and I’ve never felt so strongly until I came across these two. I hate them. I hate what they stand for (their daughter). I hate how they’re trying to blame “anyone” else for their daughter’s ugly deliberate deed, the murder of their grandchild. They sicken me. I honestly hate them and I don’t believe that they ever put Caylee’s well-being ahead of their devil spawn. The concerned mom is very clear when she says, “All they care about is Caylee”. It’s heartbreaking but obvious, even Cindy and George don’t give a shit.
So to recap,
….even though the Anthonys were aware of the outrage they went and showed up at the shoe drive anyway….
Certainly seems to me anyone else would have respected the charity and stayed away…
Morning RS & Terrytsk, I am watching IN SESSION & they are focusing of KC’s Case today reviewing the case, they will also have the “Status Hearing” at 1:00 or 1:30.
Terrytsk, the Anthony’s do seem to see themselves as “celebrities” with CA saying several times “she has friends in the media, etc.” In the Jail Videos in the very beginning, CA ask KC what she wanted to say, that there was someone, meaning news media, I assumed it was Holly Bristow, that would allow her to say what she wanted to get information out. I have NO RESPECT for the entire family, maybe the Anthony’s new attorney’s can explain to the Anthony’s that “until they demand JUSTICE for Caylee & quit profiting from her murder,” the public will not support their pathetic attempts to continue to spew propaganda that KC is innocent. They anger me & make me sick.
RS, I agree, it would seem the Anthony’s would have respected the Charity & stayed away, especially since they caused so much “negative publicity w/CA emailing the media,” jmo, the Anthony’s are so “self absorbed” they feel their presence is more important than the Charity that tried to “distant themselves from the Anthony’s.”
Hi art tart and everyone. I forgot about watching In-Session. What time is that hearig today?
I’ve been looking through Valhall’s searchable discovery lately and I have been torturing myself reading through Cindy’s FBI interview from 8/30/08. She is a freakin lunatic! Everyone but Casey! I bet the FBI guys had lots of drinks after that one.
RS, they have no respect for anyone.
Terrytsk, sas to say that they will never ever shut their big fat traps. Not even after Casey is convicted.
Terrytsk, that should be “sad” to say, not “sas’ to say…
Good morning everyone…I’ve been away for a few days. How is everyone?
Is there a hearing today? And if so, what time? I’d like to catch it on InSession, if possible.
Welcome back mixollogist74 & good morning LindaNewYork!
The Hearing is 1:00 or 1:30, I have been watching IN SESSION since 8:00 am this morning, Tony L’s attorney is a guest offering opinions, he said Tony thought KC “had it going on, was in college, had a great job, was super mom,” Tony was as surprised as LE about all KC’s lies.
I guess we should prepare ourselves for more whining from DUMB/DUMBER today, it seems they never miss an opportunity to show their ineptitude. LOL!
I had an job interview this morning and forgot about InSession. Will have to check it out now..
Hi y ‘all (do I sound American?) Good morning.
I’m still picking away at the Caylee’s father mystery. It’s like a little piece of taffy that is stuck between my teeth!!! Are these three statements true?
1. casey claimed that Caylee’s father died in a crash on his way to her birthday party. Caylee was born on August 9, 2005.
2. casey claimed that Jesus Ortiz was her father. He died in a crash May 8, 2007.
3. casey claimed that Eric Baker was her father. He died in a crash May 4, 2007.
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Obviously neither men were on their way to Caylee’s birthday party when they crashed. Unless the party was held three months in advance.
How could it be that both of these potential fathers died within four days of each other? Even assuming that neither was Caylee’s dad it’s quite strange that two of her friends/acquaintances would both die in fatal crashes only days apart. Unless she didn’t know either of them and just noticed both stories in the same Orlando Obituary Column in the newspaper and made off with both of the names. But these men really lived. These men would have families. I don’t think we’ve ever heard what they had to say about her dragging their deceased son’s names into the mess.
I was asking the same questions at Hinky’s too so I’ll apologize now for duplicating comments on two sep. blogs.
Well, here’s one theory. The two men were friends but neither of them knew casey. And although they were in the same accident, one of them, even though rushed to Emergency and on life support, lived four days longer than the other one? No? Well, it would explain casey just using both men out of only one newspaper clipping. Like feeding two birds with one seed.
Silly me, I should have just tuned to InSession before I asked LOL
Good morning Bees, art, Linda, et al. 🙂
morning BEES KNEES & LindaNewYork.
mixologist74, I love IN SESSION but the commercials are abusive! LOL! “Will Jay,” Tony L.’s attorney just said something interesting I thought. They have been showing or having audios of “all KC’s LIES & how LE continued to confront her, with her continuing to lie.”
The Host ask Will Jay if that would “prejudice the jury if they heard these before.” He said, “it would be better because it would take the sting out of it, that if it was the 1st time you had heard all her lies, it would really sting.” I thought that was a good point because I was APPALLED the first time I heard, I couldn’t believe it. I was furious, still am, but the first time is overwhelming to think she was lying about her child.
BEES KNEES, thanks for continuing to “investigate the baby daddy” for us, I am curious also.
I have a legal question if anyone knows. When you testify during a Criminal Case such as KC’s, will the Anthony’s be able to stay in the Trial everyday to listen to testimony of other’s since they could be called again?
When CA testified in the 911 Calls, LA had to wait outside until CA was through w/her testimony. I have read that witnesses are not allowed to sit in on “testimony of other’s,” if this is true, this will “rip CA a new one!”
Does anyone know or have thoughts?
Linda, Good Luck in your interview!!!
Hi Art! Do you know if In Sessions would have the hearing on line today? Guess I could always figure it out by myself. Gone to check.
Art, I don’t know but I do have thoughts. I’ve heard that question asked before but I don’t recall ever hearing the answer. I’ll see if I can find out, too.
I would think they might be able to stay in for part of the testimony, like maybe the experts, but I’m not really sure.
Bees, I believe WFTV has all the hearings live.
Hiya Mix! Thanks. I do usually watch it from wftv’s site but I’ve heard that In Sessions has like a running commentary throughout the hearing. Is this true? I guess it might be somewhat distracting that way though. I’ll stick with wftv. It’s almost time. Anticipation . . .
art tart, if the witness is released by both sides they can stay in the courtroom after they testify. If either side says they may want to call re-call the witness, they have to stay out of the courtroom.
BEES, Insession does talk over the hearing a lot also they break for commercials at just the wrong time. lol They also go to other shows at 3:00 whether the hearing is over or not. People are asking them to change that come trial time.
Thanks t2m.
I’m unable to find the hearing anywhere online. Is anyone watching now? It’s 1:15 EST where I am, but I can’t even find out for sure if it started at 1:00 or not until 1:30. Help? I know I’m being high mainenance right now ~ sorry.
BEES, The Caylee Daily is going to have the hearing at that site. I read that this am.
Happy hearing day y’all, like BEES, I’m off to watch.
HA, Is the defense writing their lists in Crayola Crayons??
Linda!!! Ha ha ha. Careful now! Bozo seemed very pleased with his Crayola craftiness. Did you see him offering it to the bench, his hard, little heart just aching for a kind word or compliment on his Colour-by-Number Hearing notes?
WTH is Erica Gonzalez? Is she a 10?
Funny, Bees.
Yeah, this Erica Gonzales? Interesting!
Wesh has the updated defense witness list.
Linda DB was talking about info not previously recieved from Melich, et al. and giving to the defense with week. Wonder when those documents will be released to “us”?
OK, Maura who comments over at Val’s and who always has great info, is saying that Erica Gonzales was a shot girl at Fusion who was injured/scratched and shot girls were sent home. so now this name sounds familiar.
For some reason I have been torturing myself and reading Cindy’s interview with FBI on Aug 30, 2008. What a lunatic. With her game of clue! …Amy is Zanny. Or Ricardo is Zanny and Amy is the roomate or Zanny is “whoever is watching Caylee or, or or…haha she is looney and I love the way the FBI guy just lets her keep on talking, digging Casey’s grave…
Bees Knees, I am just laughing out loud. “Color-by-number hearing notes” That is hilarious. I think the prosecution, as well as Judge Perry, who couldn’t see it at first because Mr. Biaz forgot his “work product” was on it, were laughing to themselves. OMG, it really looked so unprofessional, and stupid Mr. Biaz was so proud of it. Just reminded me of when the boys were around 4 or 5 and colored something for me. I’m still laughing at your comment Bees.
muesli! Ha ha ha! He’s so easy to laugh at! I can’t decide which was worse ~ his Colour-by-Number Hearing Notes or the fact that he directed Judge Perry’s attention to them!?! HA HA HA HA HA ~~ aahhhh . . . you’re killing us here, bozo!
I’ve read a couple mentions about a blog of lee anthony’s but I can’t find one anywhere. Does anyone here know about such a thing?
Dang, I would have rather seen the meeting with NeJame after the hearing seems things got a bit tense in there, NeJame called Jokin Jose a liar and Incompetent as a lawyer.
Seems jokin jose got snarky then Nejame fired off in return, of course then jose wanted to drop the whole thing lol, NeJame said no, I am going to have my say!!
Bee’s – if you find a blog by Lee let me know!!
Hi ya’ll!!
BEES, Jesus’s family was interviewed very early on and said “ They never heard of Casey Anthony, or that their son could have been a father to Caylee, they said they would be glad to offer their DNA for testing, and went one step beyond by saying there was still DNA from Jesus that could be tested.
They did not believe he was the father they were a very close family and said if he had been he would have told them.
Does anyone really believe Casey knew who the “baby daddy” was? She evidently slept with a lot of guys and I don’t think she really knew who it was. Kinda like the people on Maury who are 100% certain its one guy- then when its not- they drag 4 more in and its not any of them either. I wonder if her motto was “so many guys-so little time”. Pathetic really-
Back in Aug 08, I found most of the same. There is a ZG whose sister Samantha Gonzales who married Pedro Carlos Ortiz on June 02, 2008. Interesting enough since I recall the name Jesus Ortiz was the guy who died in a car crash in May of 2007, so there’s the connection. I found the newspaper article about his tragic death. In the article there’s a comment from one of Ortiz’s friends, Stephanie Kostakis saying he was one of the best people she ever knew. It just so happens that Stephanie Kostakis is on KC’s visitor list and is considered as one of KC’s best friends. She didn’t’ actually visit KC in jail, but she’s on her list.
http://media.www.centralfloridafuture.com/media/storage/paper174/news/2007/05/21/News/Ucf-Student.Dies.In.Tragic.Car.Crash-2905719.shtml
above is link to Jesus Ortiz’s tragic car crash
below is the visitor log for Casey Anthony:
Click to access casey_anthony_visitation_log.pdf
I missed the hearing today. Darn work gets in the way some times. I don’t see it on WFTV. Does anyone have a link?
BEES KNEES said, on August 30, 2010 at 5:45 pm
I’ve read a couple mentions about a blog of lee anthony’s but I can’t find one anywhere.
Does anyone here know about such a thing?
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http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5395527/Lee-Anthony-Myspace-Blogging
It’s a couple of blog posts on Lee’s My Space page from back in ‘06/’07.
Lee’s ex-girlfriend was married to Mark Hawkins (Casey’s military guy in Calif.) and supposedy separated from him and she supposedly became pregnant by Lee, but she decided to dump Lee and go back to Mark and had an abortion but now she is divorced from him and is with someone else. And needless to say, Lee was pissed.
There are other things attached to this document along with someone’s personal notes about the content.
WooBabie:
I read those post of Lees some time ago, Egads talk about a dark side.
It really shows the other half of Mister Giggles.
BTW Woo is that your baby girl in the snap?
What a cutie pie.
Good morning! Really weird laughing loon lee! How does Mallory lie down at night? What with the giggles, the tube socks and that rambling lunacy running through my brain, I would have nightmares!
Afternoon Everyone:
Clash of the Titans, LDB, Ashton, Orlando Sentinel…mmmm who do I miss?
Oh yeah, Baez & Mason.
Baez you were called out to the carpet yesterday! NO DELAYS will fly, unless of course you have a kraken up your sleeve. Trial Date cast in STONE! Now stop your bellyaching and get to work!!! Judge said, you don’t want me to set the schedule….
raise your hands if you think his Honor will indeed implement those very words!!!
OMGosh thought I would not recover from his color coded depo information, how much time did you spend on that one? Did I hear correctly, Judge retorts to Baez [when asked I have a copy for et al “I don’t want it”.
Just a joke, huh???? Absolutely incredulous!
Who is the Medusa in the scenario……hmmmmmmmm
Thanks, WooBabie! That’s a wierd little twist, isn’t it (Lee’s ex-girlfriend was married to Mark Hawkins)?
I was thinking. If I were the family of Mr. Ortiz, I would be suing Casey Anthony and Cindy & George Anthony for the accusations made that Mr. Ortiz was the father of Caylee Marie. The eyes of the world were directed to this poor innocent family who lost a young son and brother. It is still not shown that Mr. Ortiz is not the father of Caylee, so the suffering and humilation to the Ortiz family still goes on. How disrespectful to the memory of a young, dead man. The Anthonys have no shame.
EXCELLENT synopsis/blow-by-blow of yesterday’s hearing from Trials and Tribulations who always have great stuff regarding this crazy, crazy murder case:
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/
I remember reading Lee’s rant when it first came out and the Mark Hawkins connection.
I too have wondered what the family of Jesus Ortiz thinks (OR is it Eric Baker???). Is it possible they are not even following this? And just rejected it so as not to cause an upset in the family?
Judy –
I read those some time ago, too. He obviously was pretty emotionally damaged from that incident. I would think he’d have a little more contempt for his sister for behaving so similarly to his ex-gf. Maybe he does and that’s why we see and hear so little from him now? Never know.
Yes, that is my daughter in my pic, she is 6. I also have a 17 year old daughter and an 11 year old son. I had my oldest daughter at the same age Casey had Caylee. It’s one of the reasons I’m drawn to this case.
Here they all are.
Thanks for that link, Linda. I’ve read their blog before and enjoyed it.
Frankie, do you think he might giggle and titter throughout the night in his sleep? Maybe the odd guffaw from the bathroom in the daylight, random cackling from the garage? Creepy.
LindaNY, no matter how much these poor families, the Ortiz and Baker families, wish to ignore all of this, it is a fact that Casey did bring them into this circus, and they will and are part of the case. I’m sorry for these people who cannot mourn the loss of their young sons in peace. Shame on all of the Anthonys for their total disregard for their fellow man. They could re-baptize themselves from here to kingdom come, but they are still who and what they are, and that is not how a true Christian (who seems to have nightly access to Jesus) behaves towards others.
Woo:
Nice lookin kiddo’s gal.
Muesli, what do you make of Ortiz and Baker both dating casey, both dying in crashes only four days apart, and both named as Caylee’s father?
Hidey Ho All!!! Just got back a few days ago and as much as I love my babies and adore my grands…it is so nice to sleep in my own bed!
So much as happened! Am loving Judge P and the warnings he put out. My way or, well, my way…
Woo, your little one is a cutie patootie. I was a young Mom as well. Had my 3rd just after my 21st birthday and had a husband, full time job and school…no wonder I am exhausted now lol. Seriously, my husband was Military and gone all the time and no family around. As much as I dont care for Cindy, I would have loved the idea of a family support system.
I am fortuate to have 1 Grand in my area but the other 3 are in Europe and I can’t wait for them all to be back..Thank goodness for video web cams!
Am looking forward to how the defense is gonna get thru all those depos in 1 day…
TalkingToMuch, thanks for the information on the Anthony’s! I know they will have to stay outside until they are called to testify, like Lee did at the 911 testimony, but I bet CA has a “stroke with all the testimony from LA & Gas Can George she can’t control. LOL!
Woobabie, what a great picture of family!
BEES KNEES, I am confident that enquiring minds want to know.” Didn’t you love the hearing, Baez whining, spending ALL that time “telling on the STATE,” I am surprised Ashton hasn’t ripped him a new one too.
LindaNewYork, Trials & Tribulation is one of my favorite blogs along with Hinkey Meter. I watched the Phil Spector Trial but also followed it daily on their sight, Sproket’s “got it going on!” Excellent.
Judy, Judy, Judypc, what did you think of the hearing.
Morgan, Welcome back! I bet you are worn out, in time for the Status Hearing yesterday & I agree, that Judge P is just awesome, he cut Baez down to the ankles, Baez looked like an idiot, as usual. At what point will Baez understand that he is in “over his head?”
Muesli, you are so right about your assessment of the Anthony’s. It’s just terrible that the families of the deceased young men have been drug into the “Anthony Drama” who have no regard for anyone else’s loss, just their fear of “losing KC.”
The fact of the matter is no one knows who Caylee’s biological father is. Somehow in the blogisphere the names Ortiz and Baker were the possibilities. Cindy repeated what Casey told her and the rumors began. Ortiz died in a car accident and was KC’s best friend Stephanie Kostakis commented on his death in a news article.
Hypothetically speaking, if my deceased son was the possible bioDad of Caylee Anthony, I would want to know. Humiliation would be a cheap price to pay to know if my son had a child.
But these guys (Caylee’s Fathers) died going to Caylee’s birthday party, look at the pictures, Casey couldn’t be happier. True she may have found out later, but how lucky can she get, with this one act, she got Cindy off her back (who’s the daddy, why isn’t he visting…etc…), plus she got sympath due to the loss of Caylee’s father.
These family’s should do something, The Anthony’s are slandering their dead.
Thank you.
Well, dang – Ok Morgan, you take the cake with 3 kids by age 21! I don’t know how I would have managed that so young. That’s why I put 5-6 year spacers between my kids. I was on my own with my first child.
I’ll just never understand why Casey needed to be coddled and have everything provided for her when she had Caylee. I guess Cindy’s obsession is what determined it. She no-doubt fostered Casey’s behavior then and for the future. I think she allowed many things to “slide” in order to keep Caylee in her house, so she could be in control. I feel strongly that Casey killed Caylee in a final showdown, to show Cindy that she was in fact the one ultimately in control and would show her just how. That “well maybe I’m a spiteful bitch” just rings in my ears to this day.
Doug –
I haven’t seen pics from Caylee’s birthday party – do you have a link? I suppose I could have seen them and just didn’t know it was from her b-day party.
The families of the dead potential fathers, I agree, it is horrible what Casey did using their son’s name to perpetuate her lies. Since a lawsuit would be fruitless, it probably be something they wish not to endure. None of the Anthonys are furthering this idea of their son being the father whatsoever. Now if they were going on these talk shows and making those claims, that’s a whoooolleee n’other story!
Good Morning everyone. This from wesh.com
Anthony Prosecutors Turn Over Tapes Of Evidence Review-Tapes Made During July Inspection Of Evidence By Experts
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — Late Tuesday afternoon, prosecutors in the case against Casey Anthony turned over videos made during the defense team’s evidence review in July, WESH 2 has learned.
Defense experts from as far away as the Netherlands gathered at the Orange County Sheriff’s Office in July.
Videos documenting the team’s evidence review were made in a Sheriff’s Office chemical lab and two garages.
That evidence included Anthony’s car and evidence taken from the trunk.
What a coincidence, or not, defense experts from as far away as the Netherlands…LOL
Unreal, can the pandering and carrying of the defense party line be anymore obvious
Hi art and T2M (and hello everyone else!)
Cindy will probably raise HELL if she is not allowed in courtroom during trial. But she will be able to “cheat” and watch on-line. I doubt they will sit in the hall while the proceedings are going on. Wondering how early or late in th trial they wil be called. I am thinking the beginning when the state starts the “story” from the beginning, you know, with the dead body smell…well, who knows, I am just guessing.
Any reason why there hasn’t been any info as to if LE or State looked into or found out who the father is? Is it possible it is a moot point in the big scheme of things? I kinda think it would important to find out who the father is.
But Doug, neither of them were going to her birthday party. Both of them were killed in the beginning of May. Caylee’s birthday is in August.
Everything we know about those two men, Baker and Ortiz, came from casey, and we all know she’s full of ____.
So, was Eric Baker Caylee’s father?
Who knows, right? Definitely could have been a lie, knowing casey.
So, was Jesus Ortiz Caylee’s father?
Again, who knows? Definitely could have been a lie.
BUT the one TRUE thing we DO know (because the newspaper/media told us so) is that Eric Baker died on May 4, 2007 and Jesus Oritz died in another fatal crash four days later, on May 8, 2007. Casey (presumably) had nothing to do with their deaths. So, it’s got to be a fantastic coincident, right? What are the odds that two close friends both die in two separate crashes in the same city four days apart? But I can’t think of any other way around this. Can any one else?
This little fact has been really bugging me lately but I will try to move on soon, I promise.
WHHHEEEE…Bees..girl what are you implying? LOL I think we best find out where PPP (princess poopy pants) was on those two days! That was a joke, but that is wildly coincidental!
Some people think Judge Perry is a bit too chummy with Foghorn. I don’t read it that way. I think Judge Perry is looking at Foggie with that little smirk as if to say: “I am NOT part of the “good old boys club”, never have been and never want to be. What I am is DA JUDGE…..Here come DA JUDGE, Here come DA JUDGE!” Get em Judge P!
The only advantage’s I can see to knowing who the father is would be, they could file a wrongful death suit against the Anthony’s and take any monies the A’s stand to collect.
They could file a cease and desist order stopping the A’s from profiting off of Caylee’s death.
And on the darker side, if the father is living, and in Orlando, and was a part of Casey’s click it would perhaps give defense the soddi defense they so badly want.
Also, if it was someone related to Casey, I.E. an uncle, cousin, grandparent, it would help in her defense claims of molestation, now would any of this alter the events that lead up to Caylee’s death, no I do not think so.
But, could it help if the D.P is given, it very well could if people see her as this broken girl that had been suffering from the effects of abuse.
IMO Casey stands a 50/50 chance of receiving the D.P. a lot hinges on the case the state puts before the jury, how cold and calculating they portray her, the age and sex of the jurors, men typically have qualms giving a women the D.P. as do younger people from age 40 and under.
If you look at the group of people that most likely can set on a jury for a month away from home, you tend to get into retired persons and the unemployed, people with children and jobs would be put under great stress financially and personally having to forgo a much needed pay check and the cost of child care.
judypc, don’t forget one of the qualifiers to serve on a DP jury is that you are for, not against the dp in certain cases. At least that is what I have been lead to believe from all that has been reported and discussed during these past two years. I could be wrong. Been wrong before, will be wrong again.
muesli
I’m not sure you have to be per-say for the death penalty, just that you can render that verdict without moral dilemma in so far as religious or other beliefs that would prevent you from making such a decision.
In the above post I was just considering the range of people that stood to be the most likely as far as availability, I did not account for the moral factor that also must be considered, you are right on that, a person must be willing to give their verdict for death.
Defense will want a jury of men 40 and younger, while the state will want grandmothers of 60 +.
It will be interesting to see the selected jury.
In light of the fact a jury will be bussed in from another county and under lock down, for at least a month defense will, I think find it hard to get the selected group because in that range they are working and bound to a family, to be away from their jobs and children would cause undo hardship that will excuse them from serving on this jury.
judypc, I probably didn’t word that correctly. You are correct, in your comment. It makes more sense what you said, “render that verdict without moral dilemma”. So, that means I would qualify for jury duty in this case. I have no moral dilemma regarding the death penalty (especially when it involves defenseless babies), I don’t have to work, my children are abroad, and I have all the free time to listen to months of testimony. I do not blog. I comment. Evidently, I once saw that this could be a question to the prospective jury, if you blog about this case. Blog owners blog. We are commenters.
I know this jury will be different, but here in my county the judges try to make it as easy as possible to serve as a juror. I served two weeks on a civil jury a couple of years ago, the case was distrubing…a car accident involving young people and bad decisions, but serving on the jury was not difficult at all. In fact, the court treated us like royalty! What scares me is the easy access to information regarding potential jurors. When we were chosen, they got 14 in the jury box and broke for lunch. I’m sure when we returned the attorneys knew everything about us before the questioning started.
Silverbullit
No doubt they know a lot about the jurors, the first time I was on a jury, the prosecutor asked me about a lawsuit I was involved in, I didn’t know what he was talking about, he said, your daughter was hit by a car? I said OH! yeah, I didn’t know what he was talking about because the INS Co’s were fighting it out, I had nothing to do with it. And your right, it was during the initial questioning.
Silverbullit:
Most courts do try to make it as easy on the members of the jury as possible.
But, with todays problems most people can not go a month without their income, in May school will be out, people would have to have child care 24/7.
These things would cause undo stress and burden on most, and would excuse them from serving on this jury.
99.9 percent of the people do not mind to give their time to serve, but they can not risk loosing their homes & food on the table to do so, and to have the added expense of 24/7 care for their children.
muesli
I would have to say that I would be very interested in what the defense has to say, I AM interested. But I would have to be honest and say, I really think the defendant is guilty , guilty, guilty. But I guess you only get one vote as a juror. lol
I have not been called here in Florida as yet, but in Kentucky when I was called I got a packet that had I kid you not over 300 pages of questions.
The lawyers would look over that packet then call the people in that they liked the answers given, you were then questioned by both sides.
I felt like they knew more about me than my momma lol.
Judy
Speaking of the cost, when I was on a jury in Orange Co, the state paid $15 a day, it covered lunch, I would guess all expenses will be covered for this jury but the lost wages and covering the expenses they will incurr will be tough.
I really doubt it will be anyone with young kids because of that.
Good Morning! Just a refresher as to how massive TS Faye was. There are other pics there (136 total) that show the flooding around FL. Water hung around over 3 months, I can only imagine what it would have been if she ever turned into a Hurricane. I am thinking we will be seeing a lot of these satellite photo’s come trial time.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/weather/hurricane/orl-tropical-storm-fay-photos,0,4619155.photogallery
Tropical Storm Fay
(ASSOCIATED PRESS / August 20, 2008)
This image provided by NOAA shows Tropical Storm Fay churning its way over Florida. Fay rolled ashore in southwestern Florida on Tuesday without much fanfare, but stubbornly hung around like an unwelcome houseguest, maintaining strength and threatening — once again — to become a hurricane
Sorry – the photo I was referencing is number 133!
Caylee Anthony’s Body Language Showed She Couldn’t Stand Casey But Loved Grandmother Cindy
http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/caylee-anthonys-body-language-with-mother-casey-showed-discomfort-and-tension-unlike-her-loving-body-language-with-grandmother-cindy/
Ha ha! Frankie!! BLESS YOU for agreeing that it IS wildly coincidental!!! I actually am not implying anything more than that. It’s gotta be a coincident. But there have been so very many co incidents in this case, I’m skeptical now. But what else could it be? UNLESS the guys were friends in the same crash which killed Baker instantly while Oritz lingered on life-support before finally dying four days later?? Alright. I will stop now. I don’t understand but I’m confident the day will come when I will.
Hey friends, my computer was down for a day but “not before I read something that almost made me wet my pants I laughed so hard!” You gotta love M NeJames, he has been professional & patient with the incompetence of Baez but apparently, he has had a gut full of the moron!
NEJAMES CALLS BAEZ ‘LIAR’
SQUABBLE HAPPENED DURING SCHEDULING HEARING!
NeJames said to C Mason during Scheduling Meeting!:
“I believe your partner is not only a LIAR butINCOMPETENT,” NeJame said to Mason. “I’m going to say this in light of what he said to me — he made up complete and total fabrications.”
Baez wouldn’r respond but said “he had a murder case to try!”
This link has the VIDEO where M NeJames calls Baez INCOMPETENT! LOL! Baez sat there & “sucked it up,” imo, he knows he cannot match “wits” with M NeJames!
http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/24817269/detail.html
GERALDO RIVERA: “DIMWIT’ CASEY ANTHONY DID IT!”
OMG!!!!!! FINALLY GERALDO DUMPS ON CASEY & gets honest, of course he critized over zealous prosecutor’s but I HOPE Baez was reading the article!!
Geraldo said:
Rivera described Anthony as “someone who’s clearly guilty, nobody has many doubts about that. To put her on the same plane with a mass killer has no kind of possible justification. I believe she did it. She’s responsible. The defense would never concede that and is going for actual innocence. They have a case, long shot it may be. You take this out of context of capital murder, the state’s chances of success are far higher.”
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/09/casey-anthony-geraldo-rivera-says-clearly-guilty-casey-anthony-faces-absurd-overprosecution.html
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Hal said this is supposed to air this weekend celebrating Geraldo’s 40 yrs. in TV. I am glad to finally read his real thoughts!
It’s good that gerry realizes casey is a murderer but what the hell does he mean by saying she faces “overprosecution?” Please. Overprosecution my big toe! It’s the liars own fault that she’s buried in a glut of circumstantial evidence. And it’s bozo’s fault that the defense now finds themselves in a muck! Ha ha ha ha!! A muck!!! Remember that? Perfect.
BEES KNEES, I agree with your thoughts & NeJames “called Baez out on another INCOMPETENT MISTAKE on behalf of KC!” NeJames said “A competent attorney could have possibly gotten KC a PLEA of 10-15 years in the beginning of the case IF she had told LE where Caylee was & how she died.” The arrogance of KC/Baez, imo, Baez always told KC they only had to “provide reasonable doubt!” KARMA caught up with Baez/KC, little Caylee’s remains were found so there was NO reasonable doubt with false Caylee sightings.
You are exactly correct BEES, Baez is solely responsible with his lack of experience for KC looking at the DP now, they deserve each other. Wonder if KC is going to be shocked when Baez/Mason DUMP HER BUTT so fast when the verdict is read, KC & the Anthony’s will finally realize, imo, that they “really don’t have an entitlement, they will have a public defender.” jmo.
I was just having some early morning thoughts about the 35 depositions the defense is taking today. I posted my thoughts over at Humble Opinion’s (my home blog), and would like to share it here with you all, to see what your opinion is of my take on these depositions. I also have corrected my hazy, early morning spelling, i.e., sleazy and in depth. If you think I am way off base, I’d like to know. Sometimes I let my cynicism get the best of me. I c&P’d because I am just too lazy to type it over.
Good morning all. As I was reading, the defense is going to depose 35 law enforcement people (that’s 35 officers off the streets not protecting you). I read in some media report yesterday (don’t remember which one), they were going to split it between Thursday and Friday. Well, so much for competent reporting. Anyway, now it is being reported that they will depose all 35 today, and then do an indepht deposition of these people later. Judge Perry, I hope you have your antennae up. What I see Mr. Biaz doing is fudging the depositions in order to show Judge Perry that he is on schedule. He will have almost no time for questioning these people, just to get their vitals. But, technically, they are deposed. So, that means, at a later date he can tie these people up, away from their jobs, whose salary we all pay. Must Mr. Biaz do everything in a sleezy way? Will Judge Perry see that these are not depositions, but the usual Mr. Biaz way to play the system?
Judge Warns Casey’s Lawyers To Stay On Schedule
ORLANDO, Fla. — The judge in Casey Anthony’s murder trial warned her attorneys to stay on schedule.
Chief Judge Belvin Perry gave them more time Thursday, to take depositions from law enforcement officers. Casey’s attorneys have repeatedly canceled the depositions.
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HA, I guess Mumbles Mason could NOT do all the depos in one day. What a pompous a$$.
Muesli, you are right. Playing games and fudging.
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art tart, It’s one thing reading what Mark NeJame said about Jose and another to “hear” it. LOL.
Very interesting about Geraldo too. That tells me Baez KNOWS she is guilty like the other 99.9% of people with common sense. I see Geraldo thinks motheres who murder their children should ONLY get 15-20 years. Pathetic.
My big toe is right, Bees.
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Lately I have been “Casey-Anthonied out”. Another 8 months of this???? Well as long as it ends with LWOP or DP it is worth it, I guess!
muesli:
I fear the answer to your question is a big fat YES sleezy seems to be the only way jokin jose’ knows how to do things.
If given an inch, he will want a foot, when given the foot he will want more and if it is not given to him he is going to cheat the system one way or another.
At this point he thinks he has a clear path to do what ever he wants because the Judge has not slapped him down and held him accountable, until he is made to answer to the court and handed some kind of punishment he will continue to cheat, lie and over all make a mockery of the court.
Hi judypc. His client is a liar and cheater as well. Perfect match!
Good morning Linda, art, muesli & judy, judy, judy ~~ Happy Friday!
So. The 35 depositions are today, are they? What could be going on in those dumb, empty heads? Do you think they are creating one more reason (to add to the many, many others) to say she didn’t get a fair trial?
Muesli, you could be right about tying these people up doing the depos later. Guaranteed there’s a reason for their madness and it will become apparent with time, just as all of their bull sh*t does.
Judy, yes! Baez will never stop as long as Judge Perry is allowing it. It really bugs me that he’s letting bozo get away with so much, but I believe he’s ia wise judge. He can see the games the defense is playing. I really trust that he’s doing the right thing now by being lenient although I don’t understand it.
Hey Friends, agreed, Thank God It’s Friday & a 3 day weekend w/labor day on Monday! Great comments too!
LNY! I agree, with Geraldo “stating that KC is guilty” is something, imo, he had discussed with Geraldo, also an attorney. I am GLAD that Baez no longer is on Geraldo’s show & is at least honest as far as KC’s guilt. You can tell Geraldo doesn’t keep up much on the Orlando news of the case as he is oblivious as to yhe ineptitude of Baez.
Muesli, I agree with your thoughts, Mason/Baez are “trying to show Judge P that they are trying to be on schedule.” In the Status Hearing, LD Burdick had an objection to this saying that if Baez is AGAIN going to tie up these officer’s, she objects. The Officer’s are on a schedule to work their regular jobs, of course Baez could care less. What a crock!
judy,judy,judy, WHEN are they going to do something about Baez “learning on the job?” Judy, do you really think in your “heart of hearts that this case will be tried?” I vacillate weekly, I worry the DEFENSE will beg for a PLEA at “zero hour.” Of course, KC is the CEO that would make that decision!
BEES KNEES, LOL! You had me thinking, after the Verdict, Baez will be “cashing in somehow on the Murder of Caylee by his client,” Gas Can George, CA/LA/KC will all be whining “the trial wasn’t fair, screaming appeals, all with a PUBLIC DEFENDER! LOL! KARMA!
Okay, here’s what we do know about the defense team.
According to Florida law at this stage any attorney that accepted payment from Casey can not quit.
So Jokin Jose is bound by law to stay on board, unless Casey gives him the boot or he is disbarred.
I dare say disbarment is out of the question unless he does something so blatant that it can not be ignored by the Bar.
Now, I do believe he has left many areas where Casey can come back with a claim of ineffective counsel, BUT since Mason is on board and other high profile attorneys such as LKB I think she may be pissin up a rope on that.
I have a feeling His Honor is lenient at this stage so as not to cause delay’s in getting to trial, while it exasperates me as an onlooker I do understand his reasoning and I very much expect it will be very different come trial.
And I believe Judge Perry sees very well through the schemes and is, as my daddy use to say, “giving jose just enough rope to hang himself”
I do not think he will allow much more foolery and I do not think he will be taken lightly by this up-start of a lawyer.
When he does lower the boom Jokin Jose will have no wiggle room, let us not forget the Judge Strickland issue, and as much as we may say it is forgotten, I dare say it is still lingering in the back of Judge Perry’s mind that his friend and colleague was dissed by this insignificant p.o.s. lawyer, and there is still a day coming that jose will feel some sting from that little stunt.
Now, do I see a trial, oh yes, I can not see jokin jose not going ahead, and I do not see the state being open to a plea at this point unless Casey would accept LWOP and give a full accounting of the events that lead to Caylee’s death.
I do not see Casey standing before the court and admitting what she did, she will roll the dice and in my mind she still thinks her luck will hold and she will walk away as free as a bird.
I also think the State wants to bury jokin jose, he has made to many enemies in the great halls of justice in Orlando, from L.E., fellow attorney’s, the State attorney’s office, to the judges chambers, they want to deliver him up on a platter with an apple in his mouth.
I honestly think another attorney would have already had this case put to bed, Casey would not face the D.P. and it would have been done within months of her arrest for murder.
All day Friday questioning law enforcement officers from the state and county
Team Casey said “it was a waste.”
“It’s the policy of this office to list every single person who drove by and waived,” said Anthony’s lawyer Cheney Mason.
“We’re going to wind up taking well in excess of 100 depositions that should never have been taken,” Mason said.
Defense questioned 13 officers before lunch with a two-day total of about 35.
The defense by law has to question under oath every witness the state has labeled category “A”, meaning they may have material evidence likely used in trial. Anthony’s attorneys said these officers aren’t important and won’t likely be called at trial.
“These are people who may have collected something an item of evidence and then turned it over to someone else. People who showed up and conducted one interview. People who sat in while another detective interviewed,” Anthony’s lawyer Jose Baez said.
Anthony’s defense said none of the officers should have been deemed a category “A” witness.
“We’ve asked the state to discriminate on these categories so we wouldn’t have to waste our time and money,” Mason said.
“Apparently it’s office policy to designate everybody everybody no matter how minor their role is as a Category A witness,” Baez said.
Attorneys said everyone has been cordial and cooperative. The judge has placed stern deadlines on both sides to get these depositions done or else the judge will start scheduling them himself.
Team Casey pulls another dirty trick, trying to get another lawyer to have to step down.
They have listed Roy Kronks lawyer David Evans as a witness, which means he would have to step down as Roys lawyer.
Evans says he will fight this attempt by defense, and if they do not remove his name from the list he will take it to Judge Perry.
I don’t see Casey admitting what she did, either. And in her mind she really has no reason to fear a conviction as lying has worked out for her her entire life ~~ I’m pretty sure she believes it’ll work in this case too.
judypc said, on September 3, 2010 at 3:14 pm Team Casey pulls another dirty trick, trying to get another lawyer to have to step down.
They have listed Roy Kronks lawyer David Evans as a witness, which means he would have to step down as Roys lawyer.
Evans says he will fight this attempt by defense, and if they do not remove his name from the list he will take it to Judge Perry.
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Does anyone know the reason for calling Evans as a witness? WHat could he be asked that he would have to talk about ? The only thing he knows is what his client has told him and he can’t be forced to discuss it.
What a crock! Anything to try to make this harder on Kronk.
Also does anyone know where this is posted? TIA
T2M.
I heard the report on wesh2 news.
They are saying Evans has info or evidence not protected by attorney/client.
He says they are WRONG!!
I say they are in the words of Conway & NeJame “LIARS”
Thanks Judy, How would he have info not protected? Makes no sense. But look who we’re talking about!
Hubby said again today that JB is gonna surprise everyone at trial, I told him, love ya babe but you really need to shut it now! lol I was in no mood after all those cops spent all that time sitting around.
Gonna go see if Wesh has anything posted yet.
Ok wesh has basically the same thing that Judy wrote here, except they quote Mason as saying he can put anyone on the list he wants to.
He is really making an ass of himself in this case. He is losing any respect he had.
JR if you go to JB Mission’s blog there are a greater selection of pictures (you will have to view all) Many show a caring comfortable relationship between Casey and Caylee as opposed to those specially selected by Dr. Lillian Glass. Thanks to Zuben who has linked them to JB’s blog today.
Yes and the Hillside strangler has nice caring pics from church. And Scott Peterson is smiling and show a caring comforatble picture of him and his wife Lacey who he murdered. Susan Smith’s pics with her kids show a caring comforatable relationship with them. And Pamela Smart and her husband Greg’s pics show a caring comfrtable relationship between them. And all the other Mother’s who murdered their children have pictures showing caring comfortable pictures.
The pics Zuben may have posted on a pro-defense, every is suspicious except Casey Anthony blog are pictures we all have seen. Still does not mean Casey didn’t murder her daughter.
Cannot wait until a forensic psychologist and FBI profiler gets a hold of her and analizes her for all to see.
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T2M, judy those defense attorney’s are pathetic.
LNY There are a wide variety of pictures, those of Dr. Glass plus others which she did not use that the man put on the JB Mission blog. It appears to be a fair representation. You are so right, many appearing to be wonderful caring and passionate people are quite capable of murder in one way or another. Pro defense / Pro offense, isn’t that what we have in the legal system itself. There are no winners, just thought provoking comments until the trial
and the jury comes to their decision so until that time your comments are respected but yours, theirs or mine are not the only ones people like to review.
Attorney said —-
Actually — it would be great if you were — then we might have some more informed thoughts and knowlege provided.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/53052210/08302010-Defense-3rd-Renewed-Notice-of-Objection-to-FL-Statute-11901
Typo, Freudian slip or another passive-aggressive dig against Judge Strickland? It’s standard or (?) expected to address a judge as “the Honorable” ….. when formally addressing the court. At the end of page 1 the defense omitted the honorable and just wrote the Judge Strickland.
With anyone else I would assume it was a typo but in light of their past shenanigans I’m going with intentional. It fits with Baez’s perpetual smirk and “duh” persona and Mason’s blatant arrogance.
IMO Mason is making the moves these days. Baez is now just the mouthpiece. 35 witnesses scheduled for the same time was ludicrous, but obviously within the law. Mason knows that. After 40 odd years of practicing law in Florida, he knows every trick in the book. I think he just plays the dumb hillbilly, deaf, elderly, missing his faculties. It’s just a charade. Granted he looks and sounds like old Leghorn Foghorn, but he did even in his prime.
Attorney, I aplogize if I came off rude. I don’t know who you are, meaning never “spoke” with you before. I guess it was just that we have all seen ALL the pics.
those photos Dr. Glass analyzed a while ago didn;t sway me, at least, either way.
Kids get in pissy moods. sad moods, bad moods, like adults do and sometimes you get a pic of that. I was lokking at pics yesterday and sure enough there is one of my nieces when she was like 2-3 yrs old with a screaming face pushing my face with her little hands. LOL! There are one or two pics of my nieces, nephews, godchildren with various scratches bruises etc. Everyday childhood things. My dog scrathed my 22 mo. old nieces face the day before my sis’s BBQ, so there are just lovely pics with that scratch on her face. My 5 year old niece was sporting a small black eye yesterday from her big sis’s elbow.
There was also the video of Caylee that someone was taking and some people wer up in arms about it coz no one was talking to her while taking the video. Well I have seen video of my nieces/nephew when the Mom just showhen they wer in their high chari or bouncy seat not saying a word. No big deal.
Not every picture tells a story…
Considering the public spectacle some attorneys make of themselves, it is just as likely there would be uniformed and baseless contribution
I know, people. Blah, blah, blah with my nieces all the time! LOL! I don’t have any kids so they are my references.
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Hi Nosy! I think Baez and Mason know exactly what they are doing in their wording. Subtlely (or not so subtley) getting in a jab and snubbing their noses.
While I did not find much in Dr. Glasses photo array that was of significance I do see the point she was trying to make.
And yes children fall down, they get boo-boos it is all a part of childhood.
Now, having said that, I did and still do question a handful of photos I came across where Caylee was sporting an injury under her eye, they were taken at different in her life, but the injury’s were always in the same area under the eye.
Calling on my memory alone I want to say there were 4 or 5 such photo’s, I do have to wonder how a child continues to have the same injury over and over?
There were also photos that appear to have skin abrasions around her mouth and cheek area’s that to me looked as if her mouth area had been perhaps taped and the red abrasions were from something of that nature.
Later today if I can find the time to do so I will dig those photos out and post them.
I know what you are saying judy.
And OK, here I go with my niece again. I was there yesterday and she has a rash around her mouth (red and bumpy) and looks like it is from her “binky”. There is also something called “fifth disease” which causes redness on palm of hands and cheeks. I was just one of those who didn’t find alarm or read into anything of importance in those pics. But with that said, anything is possbile! After all she did kill her daughter.
Some of those pics are on Dr. Glasses website.
https://health.google.com/health/ref/Fifth+disease
Linda:
I know about binky bumps lol.
But the photos that caught my eye looked to uniform, straight edged and seemed to me to have an unnatural shape when compared to binky bumps.
I have been so busy today redoing my master bath I haven’t had much seat time, I will try this evening to find the snaps I’m speaking of and will post them.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/message/1283629039/eyes
Linda here are a few pics with the boo boos around the eyes.
Still have to look up the other snaps.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/
Linda I have lots of photos and such posted on this site if you want to poke around in there.
judypc said, on September 3, 2010 at 7:51 am
At this point he thinks he has a clear path to do what ever he wants because the Judge has not slapped him down and held him accountable, until he is made to answer to the court and handed some kind of punishment he will continue to cheat, lie and over all make a mockery of the court.
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And I say, it is past time for Judge Perry to put an end to the bullpoo and tell buffoon bozo to start mounting a proper DEFENSE for his client instead on continuing on this path of media whoredom! I respect Judge Perry, but it is high time someone does his/her JOB and puts an end to the tomfoolery. JMHO
bozo is the most unprofessional person in the world. I cannot believe he is allowed to continue. It is annoying (which, IMO, is exactly what the idiot wants) and it is an ineffective way to defend his client (which I also think he knows and is setting up for a new trial). I think bozo and the anthonys think they will make so much on book deals they won’t need jobs and bozo is perfectly willing to sacrifice his career and his pride to get his client a new trial when things have calmed down and people have problems remembering the details. I think he has to because I think it is highly likely that he had inappropriate relations with his client and she has him b–ls to the wall.
Hi judy. Binky Bumps…Love It!
I was at your place last week for a little bit.
I’m going back out on this beautiful evening. Will definately check the photo’s out!
Nice pictures didn’t prevent casey killing Caylee. Don’t forget that sociopaths have charisma ~~ and a real sociopath will be well-liked by many people, but close to no one.
Judy, I’m not going to be much help but I do remember reading that duct tape placed on a child’s face would take the top layer of skin with it once you tried to remove it. I can’t remember where I read it but it was an opinion that I thought was credible at the time. Ring any bells? I know until I’d read it I used to imagine that casey had used duct tape before but that article changed my mind.
I know that you believe there was a fight between cindy and casey on the night she left and I’ve always believed that, too. I also think casey warned cindy what she was about to do. I don’t think she left quietly. I imagine high drama with Caylee sobbing, Cindy trying to get her hands around casey’s throat and casey warning on her way out the door that she would never see Caylee again. Does that sound about right to you?
I also think she may have used that threat in the past and never followed through so cindy may have at first thought it was just just an empty threat.
Frankie I’m as sick as you are that Judge Perry hasn’t insisted on more professional behaviour from the defense ~ and I don’t even pay taxes in Florida (can’t imagine how they feel!). I can’t for the life of me understand why he is allowing it. I don’t doubt for a second that he doesn’t know the shenanigans the moron is displaying. This case has been waiting for over two years now. Two years! And it feels like it’s just now begun. I ACHE for the Judge to point that out, publicly, in court. Why won’t he?
Further to that, do the taxpayers have a voice if they are in strong disagreement and see how much of the court’s time has been wasted by hearing motions previously dealt with etc. Do they have a voice or is the right time to use that voice during elections? I’m not clear on your system.
Good night y’all.
I don’t believe the taxpayers have much input into a particular case, if it were a common theme in many cases, yes – through their elected officials. Just have to remember this is a death penalty case and to prevent appeals after her conviction, this crap has to be endured (within the law). Whether it is the motions and delays now, or the process of appeals afterward, it is taxpayer’s money being spent either way.
I don’t believe Judge Perry is allowing anything completely unreasonable and outside the confines of the law. I think he’s running a tight ship and has the defense team leashed.
MOO.
1. judypc said, on September 4, 2010 at 2:39 pm
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/message/1283629039/eyes
Linda here are a few pics with the boo boos around the eyes.
Still have to look up the other snaps.
I could be wrong, but I see the same single injury in those photos. It appears to be a circular reddish mark. There are two images where it appears to be under her left eye and 2 photos where it appears to be under her right eye. The two under her right eye (the top right and big pic in the middle) are still shots from a webcam, which shows a mirror image. So if the two webcam shots were unmirrored, it is the same injury under her left eye. The dark lines under both eyes, most of the her pictures show those pretty prominently and appear to me to be her genetic make-up. Here is a picture where it is pretty evident…
I am not asserting that she was not physically abused, she was massacred. I just don’t know if I could say she was abused previously, by those photos.
I’d be interested to see the others, if you find them.
Anyone who is interested – this is one of the biggest photo albums I’ve seen about this case. It’s worth it to go through the whole thing, you’ll see stuff you haven’t seen before (most likely).
http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/
By the way, the photo album above ^^^ the first 7-8 pages are of the memorial, then it gets into more of a variety of stuff.
Well, it’s been fun talking to myself. I guess I’ll see myself later!
Just to add another subject to the list, lets count the Zanny lies shall we?
Odd facts about Zanieda, this is just a starter there are more.
Casey searched Zanieda for the first time on 10/22/07
Did you know?
A Zanieda played a detective Flores on an LA Forensics show titled, ”
Mysterious Confessions.”
The show in which a killer left no evidence behind to his crimes and placed bodies either in a field or lake.
TV Series:
“LA Forensics” (2006)
Original Air Date:
22 August 2007 (Season 2, Episode 9)
Genre:
Documentary
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casey talks about the nanny/says she has known zanny 6 years
Through instant messaging, an acquaintance of Caseys inquires about her babysitter. Excerpts are taken from an exchange on Sunday, July 13 three days before Caylee was reported missing between Casey and Youriev Donov, 24, of Orlando:
CA: i didnt ever want to live in an apartment, but i dont think getting a house is the best idea not right now
YD: yeah good idea, so what do u do when u work? with the kid that is
CA: i have a nanny. i love her.
YD: nice. how much do they charge?
CA: weve been friends for over 6 years. definitely someone i trust. it just depends. i pay her a lot more than most nannys make. its worth it though
YD: yeah i understand
CA: shes a friend. between myself, and one of my coworkers, its her main source of income.
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Casey & Tony’s text.( copied just as it appeared, misspellings left in)
CA: Im so sorry for not telling you what happened .. we obviously need to talk. I need you .. and i love you more than you know.
TL: Where is Caylee?
CA: I honestly dont know ..
TL: I dont know R u serious? When did u find out?
CA: Ive been filing reports all night and driving around with multiple officers looking at old apartments i had taken her to.
TL: Y wouldnt you tell me of all people I was ur boyfriend that cares about you and ur daughter. Doesnt make sense to me Why would u lie to me
CA: I lied to everyone. What was i supposed to say? i trust my daughter with some psycho. How does that look?
TL: Idk what to say .. I just hope your daughter is okay and im gonna do watever to help ur family and the cops
CA: i was put in handcuffs for almost 10 minutes and sat in the back of a cop car. The best thing and most important person is my life is missing. I am the dumbest person and the worst mother. I honestly hate myself. The most important thing is getting caylee back but i truly hpe that you can forgive me .. granted i will never be able to forgive myself.
TL: Who is this zanny nanny person
CA: Someone i had net through a mutual friend almost 4 years ago. She used be my buddy jeffs nanny before she became mine.
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Casey told L.E she had known Zanny 2 years.
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Judy, are you saying Casey lied about the Nanny?? LOL! Yup I noticed that as well, the 2-4-6 years she has known the “nanny”.
Is there alost somewhere of ALL of Casey and Anthony family lies? Oops, I meant mis-truths and half truths. I remember seeing a little list of lies.
This girl has lived a fantasy life. A life with a “Nanny” (not a babysitter), she’s an “event planner”, she has 15,000 was it, in the bank, she is buying/getting her parents house…
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WooBabie I love when you talk to yourself! LOL!
Hi Bees!
Well if that doesn’t prove the “nanny” is fake, I don’t know what will. She couldn’t even keep the story straight about how long she had known her. She tells one person 6 years, Tony 4 years, and LE 2 years. Her inconsistencies are the reason LE never looked for a real Zenaida. Boy is Casey an idiot!
Linda I have the list of lies on my site, and mercy it is wayyyyyy behind at this point there have been so many since I first penned it lol.
Judy, there are not enough lies. You’d probably blow your computer up listing them all!
I gotta finish looking at all the info you have at your place…
Hi Linda! Are you having a relaxing long weekend? I have been very lazy. It’s been raining so it’s a good time to just lounge indoors and eat ice cream out of the carton. The SMALL cartons of the good stuff!!!
I remember a time when I was going to compile a list of casey’s lies but the case had grown so bloated that just the thought of it felt exhausting and I never did! But, it does seem to me that I have seen such a list. I’ll take a look for it and paste a link here if I can find it. There is SOOO much information!!!!
a few of the lies of Casey, Cindy & George
Casey Anthony’s Lies
#1 –
On or around June 9, Casey told her parents that she had arranged for Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez to baby-sit Caylee so she could go on a business trip as a requirement of her employment with Universal Studios
She later changed her story and stated that she was going on a short vacation with friends. Meanwhile, Casey told her friends that Caylee had gone on a vacation with her babysitter.
#2 –
Casey offered a variety of explanations with regard to Caylee’s whereabouts until July 15 when she claimed that her daughter had been abducted by her babysitter approximately 31 days prior to that date.
Lie #3 –
Casey told investigators that she had not seen Caylee since June 9 when she dropped her off with her babysitter.
However, when they went to the apartment complex in which Fernandez-Gonzalez reportedly lived, investigators discovered that the apartment had been vacant for several months.
Lie #4 –
Casey told investigators that Fernandez-Gonzalez had also lived at a complex on North Hillside Drive.
However, when they went to the location, they discovered that it was a senior living facility.
Lie #5 –
Casey told Investigators that Fernandez-Gonzalez’s mother lived in The Crossings at Conway, a community in Orlando.
However, when they went to the community, they were unable to
find anyone who knew an individual with the last name Fernandez-Gonzalez.
Lie #6 –
Casey gave investigators the name of a woman who she said was a roommate of Fernandez-Gonzalez.
Casey reported that the woman worked as a waitress at T.G.I. Fridays.
However, when they spoke with the manager of the restaurant, they learned that no such person had been employed there.
Lie #7 –
Casey told investigators that she worked at Universal Studios.
However, the company had no record of her employment.
When investigators took Casey to Universal Studios so that she could show them where she worked, she finally admitted that she was not an employee of the company.
Lie #8 –
Casey told investigators that she had received a call from Caylee on July 15. However, when they subpoenaed her telephone records, they found no evidence to support her claim.
Lie #9 –
Casey told investigators that two people, both employees of Kodak, were aware of Caylee’s disappearance.
When they contacted the company, they learned that no such individuals were employed by Kodak.
Lie #10 –
Casey told her family that Caylee would be home for her third birthday on August 9.
lies told by George and Cindy Anthony
Lie #1 In her 911 call Cindy reported she hadn’t seen her daughter in a month.
Yet Cindy admitted on T.V later to Greta Van Sustern that she had seen Casey on 6/24/2008 after speaking to her earlier about George’s precious gas cans being allegedly stolen.
Lie #2 At Casey’s bond hearing Cindy and Lee say they had always heard of Zenaida Gonzalez as Caylee’s babysitter for at least a
couple of years, yet no family member ever met her, had her phone number, had pictures of her, checked her background etc.
Lie #3 Cindy admits in her 1st frantic 911 call that the car Casey’s been driving smells like a dead body, later the dead body smell turned into a pizza that Cindy says Casey left in the car for weeks.
Lie #4 Cindy stated at Casey’s bond hearing that she kept in touch with her daughter every day whether it was text messages, messages etc.
The phone records will show this is a lie.
Lie #5 Cindy washes potential damning evidence found in her daughter’s car, (Casey’s smelly pants) supposedly by accident.
Yet in one of her first interviews to the media she complained that since law enforcement never came by for evidence Cindy was going to start disposing of things.
Lie #6 George says the notorious facebook pix from Fusion nightclub were taken years ago before Caylee was born even though some are date stamped and there are witnesses to seeing Casey at the club.
Lie #7 Cindy Anthony tells Greta in an interview that Caylee’s bio. father had a family of his own and lived out of state and Cindy has also said in another interview that Caylee’s dad was killed in a car accident.
Lie #8 A neighbor tells police they heard Cindy and Casey arguing around Caylee’s disappearance, yet Cindy is adamant nothing ever happened.
Hey friends, just getting in from Out Of Town & catching up with the latest developments & games played by Dumb & Dumber.
I watched Geraldo last night, & he really pisses me off by claiming that the DP KC is facing is POLITICALLY MOTIVATED! Sound familiar? Remember when CA said those exact words early on in the investigation? While I understand Geraldo is friends with DUMB, he should really get his facts straight!
Hal Boedeker’s quoted Geraldo:
Rivera said the ultimate punishment “is not appropriate for a selfish, sick, crazy mom who kills her kid, like Florida’s Casey Anthony. Trying to execute her is a political act, not justice.”
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This is OUTRAGEOUS! Children in this Country murdered at the hands of parent’s. CHILDREN are NOT DISPOSABLE & the murderer’s given a second chance at life, imo, isn’t fair!! WHY does KC does another chance?
WHAT WAS CAYLEE’S LIFE WORTH? WHY Geraldo thinks Caylee’s life is worth so little is hurtful? WHY does Geraldo think KC deserves to walk among the innocent again in her lifetime, steal again, run her scams, or even possibly hurt another child. imo, GERALDO SUCKS!
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/?p=20569
Thanks, Linda. Hah!
I really like that text exchange between Casey and Tony that Judy posted because he just shuts her down and keeps coming back at her with questions and ignoring her “I love you more than you know” blubbering. she think he would say “Oh, I love you too honey, you’re the victim, I’ll do whatever I can to help you”!? He made a point to tell her he would do anything he could to help the cops & her family and it just goes right over her head and she keeps talking about herself.
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In the list of lies above…
#4 Cindy stated at Casey’s bond hearing that she kept in touch with her daughter every day whether it was text messages, messages etc.
The phone records will show this is a lie.
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It is pretty much TRUE, actually. If you look through the cell records below – they are in touch every day of the 31 days, by live call, voicemail or text.
Casey’s Cell Phone Record from 6/15 to 7/16 –
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716
Cindy’s calls/exchanges don’t show up until 6/16
And the calls are explained in The Hinky Meter Timeline to put them into context with her activities each day. For anyone who hasn’t seen it –
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/casey-anthony-murder-trial/timeline-and-discovery/
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Welcome back, Art Tart.
I can’t bear to subject myself to anything Geraldo. I’ve managed to never watch or read a single thing about his involvement in this case so far and I’m not gonna start. Him and Nancy Grace need to be chained together and thrown into a tank of sharks.
Hi WooBabie, talkin to yourself again? LOL! I agree Casey’s text conversation with Tony went right over her head. With everyone else it was all about Caylee. With Casey, it is, was and always will be about her and only her.
Hi art tart. Geraldo is an idoit. The reasons for seeking the DP have been laid out. Political? Yeah, OK. Never mind an almost 3 year old girl was murdered by her mother.
Casey being a “selfish, sick, crazy mom who kills her kid” is a very very good reason for seeking the DP. Although I believe she will get LWOP. I think putting her to death would be too good for her. AND it will be a just punishment as well since C&G will STILL have to support her while in prison where Casey will continue to manipulate them. That iwill be the icing on the cake.
Good Morning LindaNewYork & WooBabie. WooBabie, great avatar!
I was reading at WS under the “attorney’s answer your questions” & someone made a similar comment to mine & Hornsby replied, “This is the opinion of a man who invented the tabloid news genre.”
It sounds like Mr. Evan’s is also going to “challenge the Defense” for being listed as a witness for the defense.” imo, good for him for challenging the Defense for more games.
Hello, my pretties!!! Happy Labour Day!
Today is Monday but it sure does feel like a Sunday. Gray and drizzling. Grisling! LOL! I’m only lurking for a minute, just to make sure I don’t miss anything! I can’t blog today because I’m into a great book (One Day) ~~ can’t bear to put it down. Book addiction is good.
Judy, that’s quite a nice list of lies you’ve compiled for us. Thank you. I’m going to save it somewhere and keep adding to it, if you don’t mind? Somehow it makes me happy to read all of them.
Art, I have never checked out WS but I’ve read so many references to it that I think I will.
Linda, truly, Geraldo must be an idiot. I’ve never watched an episode but saying, “Trying to execute her is a political act, not justice,” is a really, really dumb thing to say.
WooBabie, hi! It’s nice to see your face!
Come people, where are you?!
Hiya Bees. I have checked out WS a couple times, just to look up info. I don’t like the format of it, how you have to click through multiple pages. It’s an old 90’s style forum format. But there is good information there.
Enjoy your book.
Ok, I swear art tart’s post wasn’t there earlier! Sorry, hi.
I bet this blog will be a zoo when it’s very close to the trial. I forsee a lot of new people will happen upon the blogs asking a billion questions – because they will not have heard much since this first happened. There’s only 8 months to go. The Anthonys might want to move by then!!
Yeah, all the blogs are pretty quiet these days but things will heat up again once the trial approaches. And you’re probably right WooBabie, the newcomers may look to us old-timers to help them get up to speed! You know even though I’ve been following from the start there has been so many wonderful articles, blogs and comments that I’m still finding things that are new to me. Blink and Hinky are just stuffed to the brim with good information, just to name a couple, and I know there are others. Eight more months. Can’t wait. At this point I hope they don’t cheat us of a trial, and go with a plea. I can’t really see that happening though as the State has done so much work at this point. Don’t you just love how confident they look at the hearings?
Morning Woobabie & BEES KNEES! Things are a little slow in the case but we can always count of Dumb/Dumber to file new Motions.
I read that Judge P said MOTIONS filed would be heard or ruled on in 15 days. For some reason, I thought there were a lot of outstanding MOTIONS but maybe not, it might have been the MOTIONS outstanding on TES/T Miller & now they have been resolved. I read there is nothing scheduled UNTIL the end of Sept. which will be another STATUS Hearing.
I agree, I am not crazy about the “format at WS,” it is so much information, but I follow the “thread on KC with the Verified Attorney’s,” I find that the peeps ask a lot of the questions I have & the Attorney’s do a good job. I like Hinkey the best plus this site as I enjoy the opinions of those that contribute, but Val hal really has so much knowledge that she graciously shares with us in her articles & I am forever in awe of the range of topics she shares & the peeps there are “awesome contributor’s too.”
Hi there art tart! You’re right. With Dumb and Dumber involved they’ll give us fresh hearings for the next eight months.
I came across this comment on another blog and it took me by surprise: “I believe the results of the autopsy will suprize us all in the end.” I’m surprised because I thought we already heard the autopsy report, no? I’m off to investigate. BBS.
Does anyone know if Dr. Lillian Glass has any children or where I could find any personal history if available.
Hi Bees, art, WooBabie…Just stoppin in to see whats up.
Question: LDB said at status hearing last week something about 400 pages found at LE, on Yuri ‘s (?)laptop to be given to defense (something about a bank account, etc). Shouldn’t we be seeing those soon?
LindaNewYork, the STATE gave the Defense more DOC DUMP last week I read before the hearing. It probably includes what LD Burdick mentioned at the STATUS Hearing also. The information should flow faster now as it is becoming “crunch time.”
BEES KNEES: we probably haven’t seen all of autopsy report, whether it will be released to the public I am not sure, they may be holding some of it back, but the DEFENSE will have the information.
Rock, by googling Dr. Glasses’ name would probably take you to the information you are looking for. Good luck.
But art, when will it be released to “us”. LOL!
Bees:
I am not sure the full autopsy report will be released, after the death of Dale Earnhart Florida passed a law that keeps autopsy reports private, honestly I was surprised we saw as much as we did.
The info we have seen is I believe the base report, it does not tell the details of the full autopsy, it basicly just gives the cause of death, be it natural causes, accident or in this case homicide by unknown means.
Now, if it is released at trial we may then see the full report, which I assume it will be gone over in great detail as defense trys to question Dr G’s findings.
Ya just can’t make this stuff up lol.
Now really is he going to hitch his wagon to prison inmates that seem just a bit to eager to play lets make a deal?
“I know I’m competent, I know I’m doing what’s good for my client and, what’s more important, she does, and so does my team. So I could really care less what a lot of people say,” Baez said.
Casey’s attorneys filed a new motion Monday that changes their witness list. The list now contains 64 witnesses the defense plans to call at trial, which include George and Cindy Anthony, Casey’s brother Lee, and Casey’s ex-fiance, Jesse Grund.
The defense added to the witness list Tuesday, state prison inmate, Robin Lunceford and two other female inmates.
The FULL (official, by Dr. G) autopsy report was released in June 2009. Also an added report done by the Oakridge Labratory on the forensics – they also tested a squirrel and pizza for decomposition and reported the findings. It’s funny, in their report they describe the squirrel by saying that he was apparently a hit and run victim. I’ll post the links below.
The defense hired Dr. Spitz to autopsy the remains, but that was done even before Casey the State added the death penalty.
There won’t be any “suprises” at trial. Each side has to release all of their evidence prior to trial – with enough time to give them time to examine the evidence and hire expert witnesses, etc, if needed.
Forensic Autopsy Report by Oakridge National Labratory.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/7519746/Caylee-Anthony-Autopsy-Forensic-Report
Autopsy Examination Report by Dr. G.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/7519501/Caylee-Anthony-Autopsy-Examination
There are additional reports done on specific things, like the bones, etc. Those are at Docstoc, too. But hard to understand (for me).
Yep, I agree Bees. There are a LOT of prior articles on The Hinky Meter that are worth going back and reading through all of them, plus the comments too. I’ve been following since she began last October, but she was putting so much up so fast that I got backed up and have gone back and caught up – and have been caught up for a few months now.
Whaddup Linda.
This is my understanding of Linda Drane-Burdick and the info she got from LE’s files and still had to look at Yuri’s laptop (which she did by now).
Baez whined at previous hearing about the State not turning over everything to them. Judge told LDB to meet with LE and go through their stuff to make sure there wasn’t anything in there that should be turned over to the defense. So they can’t whine that they were never given a certain thing.
She spent a day doing that in late August. She found a lot of stuff, but I think insignificant little stuff, or even stuff that may be duplicates of what she already had, but wasn’t sure, so she copied (or took) all of those things and will go through them in more detail and turn them over to the defense (which she did by now). So I assume we will see them relatively soon, but maybe kind of a boring doc dump. She said there were somewhat insignificant bank records and stuff like that. But you never know if there will be a little bonanza hidden in all of that stuff. For example Casey mentioned in a jailhouse visit to Lee that she had a Wachovia Bank account, that no one seemed to know of as yet, and could be the source of how she originally gave Baez his initial retainer fee, etc.
WooBabie:
Mornin, thanks for the links, I will have to go nosey around there.
I had not seen the full report with the forensic photos and break down of all the testing.
What I saw was just a few pages that explained the tape around the jaw and the drug testing that was attempted, and the cause of death listed as homicide unknown cause.
The full autopsy report should be several pages long and detailed with the photos of the full body found along with each bone and the other items found with the body.
art, I couldn’t get around very easy at WS either. Sadly I am not technically gifted so if it’s not easy I usually don’t bother. Shameful. I know.
judy thanks for dipping into your vast resources again! I sure appreciate it. I guess The Sunshine Laws don’t trump the law that keeps autopsy reports private, huh? I can understand that.
WooBaby, how did you come to be interested in the case last October? Had you heard anything about it before that? I, too, have not read all of Hinky’s blogs yet but I’m working on it.
Hey friends, I am too following up on the links graciously shared by everyone.
BEES KNEES, I haven’t read all of Valhal’s earlier reports on the case, I am so far behind, I have kept up for the past 8 or 9 months, but, I don’t want to miss anything she has “contributed” on the case, she is truly “gifted,” imo, on her presentation of information & interpretation of the reports.
WooBabie, thanks for the links, it has been so long since I read some of the information, the autopsy report will be some of the most important information in the trial imo. The female Attorney,(brain fart, can’t remember her name,) that visited KC in jail recently is the one I think that will be “disputing Dr. G’s autopsy” or the medical aspects. I realize that is her job,Hornsby said she is one of the best, but imo, I feel that Dr. G did the best job possible with only the skeleton to work with.
LindaNewYork, I’m working on getting that DOC DUMP to ya!
judy, judy, judy pc, wasn’t that hilarious when Baez said he knew he was “competent & most of all KC did & thought he was doing a good job!” HA! HA! Apparently, Baez doesn’t read the news! How would KC know what kind of job Baez is doing? He keeps her isolated from family via visits or phone. We certainly haven’t heard the last of Baez’s incompetence, the ANT’s will be screaming when the Verdict is returned.
Sooo, another attorney joins the circus…..This one for “the limited purpose of cross-examing experts”.
http://www.wftv.com/news/24928594/detail.html
Art, I guess the name of the attorney who will dispute Dr. G’s autpopsy is the newest arrival Dorothy Clay Sims.
I guess bad publicity in a losing case is better than no publicity at all!
Too bad the circumstantial evidence and the smell of Caylee’s decaying body in Casey’s car will be the things that will most convict her, in MY expert opinion!
LindaNewYork, I read last week that Dr. Sims visited the skank, thanks for the link, apparently she is now “officially on the team!” I agree with you & your “expert opinion,” you just can’t change the “facts” although I understand that the defense has to try to gain any points possible no matter how ridiculous they look at times.
As we always say, “the totality of the evidence.” It IRKS ME TO DEATH that the jackass Officer Cain was too lazy to do his job in August 2008 when Kronk called him, he certainly made everyone’s job much more difficult not including the COST incurred to the STATE.
Hi Bees, judy, woo,
I’ve been going through Valhall’s “library” the last two weeks. She’s got a lot of info and always great conversations there on the misc threads. I’ve seen you there WooBabie. I comment now and again. Sometimes its hard (for me at least) to jump in on the conversations, there’s so many people but I love reading what everyone has to say. And I’ve been looking around, googling old info on this case, looking at old doc dumps. I’ve also been lurking around at judypc’s !. I’ve been kinda limiting where I go. There are so many blogs related to this case. I always stop by Niecey’s, Hinkey’s and go through their blog rolls. Too hard to comment and carry on conversations at TOO many places. You can drive yourself crazy doing that!
LindaNewYork, I agree, I too have limited the blogs I comment on, I too comment some at Hinkey’s & here, & follow the Legal thread at WebSlueth. I enjoy the “Misc. Topics at Hinkey’s also as there is so much information in them. Of course I always read at Hal Boedeker’s, he is too funny & his “usual gang of those that contribute” take no prisoners. It seems they have been plagued with James McIntyre. LOL!
My question for anyone: When C Mason joined the “Circus,” Lyon’s & Baez were doing most of the work.” In hind sight, apparently C Mason was originally brought in to take Lyon’s place as she was “done,” she had to have a replacement because Baez “isn’t Death Penalty Qualified.” Once C Mason was on Board, Lyon’s was gone.
Now that Dr. Sim’s has joined the “Circus,”as an “expert Attorney on questioning Medical information,” wonder if she is going to take the place of LK Baden in the near future OR will they do different things? In the Phil Spector case, LK Baden gave me a tremendous headache with her monotone cross examinations of Legal Experts, my eyes glazed over listening to her, but, all in a case is not as interesting. I thought LK Baden was also qualified to Cross Examine Medical Experts also.
We have heard nothing about LK Baden in awhile, LOL, there is a thread at WS which says: “Where is LK Baden?” LOL! Anyone have any thoughts?
Interesting also, that Robin Lunceford is on defense witness list. I know it doesn’t mean they will call her but is it to refute the other 2, I forget their names, who the prosecution interviewed, in case they call those 2?
art, I go over to Hal’s too mostly when someone, like you. leaves a link. I forget to check on him sometimes. James McIntyre…OMG he’s NUTS!
I agree, it would seem the new clown is replacing LKB.
LindaNewYork, I had a feeling when A Lyon’s left, LK Baden wouldn’t be far behind. This case, for most following it closely ,imo, realize that the mis-steps that continue to be made by DUMB/DUMBER are embarrassing ,unprofessional, & laughable, certainly not the “dream team” that Baez has fantasized about.
I too found that interesting about R Lunceford, I wonder too if that is why they put Mr. Evans, Kronk’s attorney, on their witness list. Mr. Evan’s, if truly going to be called as a witness for the defense, will NOT be able to represent R Kronk. He says he will fight it or take it up w/Judge P. Guess we’ll see if “Mason’s smart a$$ remark about calling anyone as a witness or putting them on his list is really true.” Mr. Evan’s plans to represent Kronk til the end, geeeez, if anyone needed someone to protect their interest it’s Kronk, LOL!
Wonder how long it will be before LK Baden “gets off the team” or what excuse she will use. I haven’t read “anywhere” this is the case, I just speculated since we have seen the pattern before. I never understood WHY any reputable attorney would want to be “attached to a case in which the mother is charged with murdering her child.” While I think KC deserves zealous representation, imo, LK Baden/Lyon’s know who murdered Caylee, maybe not the positive publicity they had hoped for.
LindaNewYork, This is Sim’s website. It is interesting that in the past she has worked against the defense, it is interesting she is working FOR the defense in Caylee’s case. The WDBO link says her role will be “limited.”
http://www.ocalaw.com/index.php
http://wdbo.com/localnews/2010/09/casey-anthony-defense-team-add.html
But that is very good speculation art tart.
I am going to sign off and check out that website tomorrow morning.
Bees,
No – I didn’t just begin following the case last October – that’s when Valhall started her blog (I could be off a month either direction), and I’ve been following her blog since she started it. I’ve been following this case since the beginning – ever since I saw on the national news them showing aerial footage of the Anthony’s backyard being dug up/searched and I said “What in the heck are they doing?” – “Oh, a mom killed her baby, WHAT?” – “Oh, a mom says a nanny did it and they can’t find this nanny, WHAT?” – “Oh, her baby has been missing 31 days and she never reported it, WHAT?”… and so on.
Judy,
As far as I understand, there is a law that prevents autopsy photos being released via the Sunshine Law. Judge Strickland also put additional restrictions on how the photos would be handled by the defense to make sure they did not make their way to the media.
BEES KNEES said, on September 4, 2010 at 8:55 pm
Frankie I’m as sick as you are that Judge Perry hasn’t insisted on more professional behaviour from the defense ~ and I don’t even pay taxes in Florida (can’t imagine how they feel!). I can’t for the life of me understand why he is allowing it. I don’t doubt for a second that he doesn’t know the shenanigans the moron is displaying. This case has been waiting for over two years now. Two years! And it feels like it’s just now begun. I ACHE for the Judge to point that out, publicly, in court. Why won’t he?
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Well, keep “aching” sweet cheeks…it ain’t gonna happen..
LMAO
I’m sure Judge Perry knows a shenanigan when he sees one. It just proves the point, bloggers have NO say so in a court of law. Bummer, ain’t it??
Hi Woobabie. I said WHAT? as well, followed by, yeah, right….CAN”T find the Nanny…31 days…car smells like a dead body…lies, lies, lies.
JB, go back to your place where you and the other idiots are pointing the finger at TL. LMFAO at you.
we need a new post by you please..
give us an up date of your thoughts on the case as of date..
I miss reading your blog
WooBabie, too, there are exceptions in the Sunshine Law for information “too prejudicial to the defendant,” such as the Death Video Judge S “with held of KC in the infirmary.” Pictures from the autopsy would seem to fall under this category also as “too prejudicial to the defendant,” especially of the condition of Caylee’s remains.
LindaNewYork, amen.
WooBaby, sorry. After I made the comment I went, “Ooooh ~ I wonder if she meant that she just started reading Hinky then. And so you’ve been following it all along. I honestly can’t remember how I ever came across it but it was in the beginning. I don’t have TV so it wasn’t that. Anyway, WE are the experts in this case. I think there are some of us that know even MORE than some (most?) medias, don’t you? I’m not including myself in there btw, but there are some bloggers who’s knowledge of the case is VAST!!! When we get close to the trial we experts will be called upon by the “newbies” to explain things to them. GASP!!! Every once in awhile I do try to explain the case to someone and I’ve found that it’s quite impossible to re-tell EVERYTHING that has happened so far. I always end up throwing my hands in the air every three minutes as I’m telling it and exclaiming “It’s UNBELIEVABLE!” HA HA HA!!!!
Hi Linda! Hi art! Hi WooBaby! Remember when Judge Perry delivered his exasperation re: the douchebag Bozo? When he kept saying, “Bear in mind, Mr. Bozo . . . Bear in mind, Bear in mind.” That is what we will see more of and it will take us to our happy place, won’t it? Judge Perry had their number before he ever sat before that sad and pathetic “defense team.” He’s laughing at them even harder than we are. I love his expressions and his eye-rolls of disbelief when he’s addressing them. HA HA HA!!!
Art, do you mean that pictures of the autopsy won’t be released before the trial (Sunshine Laws) but they will be shown once the trial begins, won’t they? I don’t think I could bear to see them but it must be extremely important for the jurors to see them, no?
Morning BEES KNEES, it really IRKS me when “wrong information is reported Nationally, like on Geraldo,” in Caylee’s case or the “ANT’s are allowed to spew propaganda & lies in Soft Interviews.” It’s wonderful so many blogger’s share a common goal: Advocates for children & of the missing, & demanding JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE because her family, which supports themselves from her murder, REFUSE to Demand Justice for her Murder.
I read something funny a blogger wrote today, “It doesn’t matter how many PHD’s the defense puts on a Bus, referring to Sims, WHEN a CHIMP is at the wheel, it will surely crash.” LOL!
I can’t remember. Who was it that said there was no duct tape on Caylee’s skull?
Hellooo…Bees it was Brad Conway who said, I think when on Larry King with C&G, that there was no duct tape.
I also believe that if televised, the autopsy photos will NOT be aired. Most trials I have seen, like Lacey Peterson, atuopsy photo’s are blurred or not shown, by TV or newpaper.
Judge P of course has to remain professional.
Art! “WHEN a CHIMP is at the wheel, it will surely crash.” LOL!” Hahahahaha . . . (apologies to chimps everywhere) . . .
Linda, that’s right. Conway!!! What a buffoon! Haven’t they clued in to today’s advanced technology? Like, maybe he doesn’t know that information is shared via the internet, instantly these days, and that when he lies to the cameras it is being watched simultaneously by the entire country (and beyond). Ha ha ha . . . no tape on Caylee’s skull indeed! Aren’t you a little astonished that they can out and out lie on national media? I can smell their skank from way up here ~ I think they are truly desperate.
I know. I love Judge Perry. He knows exactly what he’s dealing with. They aren’t going to get anything past him. I just love a lot of his expressions when he’s looking at the Duhfense, especially when he’s addressing the clown with the beat-me faced grin.
Does anyone else think there will be a doc release tomorrow? Friday is their favourite day. Although they aren’t as good/interesting as they were during the first year. Now most of what we see is in duplicate or triplicate stuff we’ve heard before.
Linda, it is unfortunate that there seems to be a huge demand for those tabloid-trashy “news” shows like Geralod/Jerry’s (ha ha ha ~ his name change says it all). I don’t know who’s watching them but somebody is.
Been reading and reading … and felt the need to reply to some things…. Geraldo did NOT invent tabloid TV — a long gone person “JOE PYNE” did — Geraldo was a dynamic young lawyer 40 years ago — and what does “- Geralod/Jerry’s (ha ha ha ~ his name change says it all).” mean? And, expecting to see autopsy pictures is most morbid— “loving” Judge Perry — a person about whom another really doesn’t know is weird…. and there’s more ============== and… “douche bag” — so nice. NOT!
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Exactly! What could be more “tabloid trashy” than wanting to see autopsy pictures?? BTW, Geralod/Jerry’s (ha ha ha ~ his name change says it all)” means their desperate to slam someone who associates with Jose Baez. Simple minded people do simple minded things. Example: Using the term “douche bag” is acceptable to these simpletons. I usually just read but couldn’t help but reply to the inane comments as of late.
Linda (I pity the peeps from New York)
Bite me!!
I comment wherever in the hell I want. Got it?? LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Geraldo may have been a dynamic young attorney 40 years ago, but let’s face it, he tarnished those dynamics.
Well I do not want to see autopsy photo’s of anyone either, but perhaps it would drive home why these murderer’s, and not only Casey, need to be prosecuted fully and have a just punishment be it LWOP or the DP.
I LOVE Judge Perry as well. It’s just an expression. I LOVE George Clooney and I don’t know him either. I LOVE anyone who stands up for the rights of murdered children and HATE those who know darn well their clients are guilty, but chose to fight to let them walk the streets again.
Anyone who needs to tout their ethnicity to get ahead or try to endear themselves based on that, does not have my respect. I don’t care if your Hispanic or Mexican or Italian or German. As long as you can do a good job, who cares?? Jose touted HIS etnicity by saying something to the effect…wait I will find the exact quote…Her it is:
“He pointed out that he is the first Hispanic to have a national case like this, and he wants to pass on a positive legacy for future Hispanic lawyers.” Who cares if he is Hispanic??
Sorry JB, New Yorkers are a bit more savvy then the likes of you and are not gullible and taken in by a 22 year old mother’s lies about some “nanny” taking her daughter nor do we try to come up with absurd conspiricy theorie’s to explain away a mother murdering her child. No, sorry, JB, don’t pity New Yorkers, WE are not gullible….I heard you bought that bridge! haha
O ME O MY = theJBmission = Fleur De’ Licious = moron
Funny, LMAO, I thought the same thing after I submitted my 4:03 pm comment, that was sitting around for a bit while I was on the phoneabd then saw JB’s comment and thought it was odd that that brainiac did NOT comment under her “banner”. She’ll only deny it anyway.
Hidey Ho All! I think I am finally caught up with house and business-course that could change tomorrow.
I find it interesting that the newest member of counsel has a history of testifing against the defense but is now testifing for them. Am wondering what she was told and has she spoken to casey and for how long. I am a FL taxpayer and I want to make sure casey dets the defense she is required.
That being said, I just cannot get past the fact that this yound woman is sitting behind bars for 2 without SCREAMING ‘I din’t do this, let me out”! Who does this?? Add this to the fact she DID NOT report Caylee missing and the endless list of lies, I honestly don’t see how she will ever get out of prison.
We need a doc dump very soon, or at least a new artivle by Mr. S (hint hint)
OMG there are too many typos in the above to go back…hopefully y’all speak
Sheaffer-nese…..
STFU!!
LyingLindayHOBiotch,
I’m trying hard to stoop to your level…so here goes,
You’re a PISSY DOUCHEBAG BIOTCH
There…LMAO
Was out — enjoying a ROSH HASHANA dinner —– must say — there are some wack jobs here —— and at least one ….. should be looking at the new year –5771 with more respect ————-
Fleur De’ Licious — love your name … and your comments ……….
and — LindaNewYork —- you shame true New Yorkers ——- we are true heart are not that cruel……………
Maybe yall should ask Bill Sheaffer to block me…IDK
Seems like it would be a good idea…
BTW, does he ever contact any of you???
Hmmm…Haven’t seem him in awhile, it’s probably because you regulars are so boring,
Just sayin…
JB Mission …………….. is that you ??? or someone else using your name???
JB –
I really used to respect your opinions, although they were sometimes contrary to what I believed, I appreciated that you could intellectually put forth your thoughts. Now it seems like you’re permanently stooped in a low position. Like you’ve fallen and you can’t get up… off of the dirty, nasty floor of immaturity. I’ve lost all hope. It’s ok, I’ll be fine. I have an amazing ability to ignore.
And to kill 2 birds with one stone…
O ME O MY –
I assume you didn’t change your name from Yo Hola because you wanted to hide. Because if you did, you forgot to change your super weird =========writing style with the————- multiple dashes and ……….periods and multiple????? question marks interspersed throughout your comments. Oh, and you forgot to hide your knack for finding any tiny little thing to shoot a person down for. Those two things are like, your trademarks!
Linda –
Not to say this in a bossy way, but don’t respond at all to JB! NOT WORTH IT! You don’t have to explain anything you say to her.
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Bees –
Yeah, it is hard to try to explain this case to anyone who doesn’t follow it right now. Because they won’t be 100% interested. They will when when the trial begins and the news coverage will be pretty steady nationwide. They will re-experience the initial thoughts of amazement when they first heard it back in ’08, but the difference is now they will have many resources on the internet to find out what’s taken place in the mean-time.
There is a person at The Hinky meter who asks questions that we’ve gone over relentlessly and when they are directed to the discovery & timeline for the info, they say they don’t have time to read all of that and would like us to answer their questions personally. It’s “easier” for them. I just hope there’s not going to be a lot of people like that. Because I can only repeat myself so many times before I wanna scream.
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Glen –
Even if Bill doesn’t have enough time to write up a blog post, they could start a new thread with his latest VIDEO commentary at the top and let us discuss that.
That way we’d have refreshed threads once in a while at least.
*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*
*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*
*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*
*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*
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You know, JB I have never used foul language towards you. Never called you a bitch, a “HO” (a word regularly used by teenager’s) and never called you a pissy douche bag. Nor do I tell anyone to STFU or Bite me. You are showing your inability to behave like the intelligent thought provoking person you try to portray.
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I agree WooBabie. And I do not think you were being bossy!
And good catch on Yo Hola.
Bill Scheaffer did say, in the article under which we are commenting, basically that if there is something of a scholarly nature he would write about it.
From the above article/post/blog or whatever you want to call it:
“In that vein, many of you may remember Mr. Ed, a TV sitcom that ran when I was a child. The show was about a horse that could talk, but would only speak to his owner, Wilbur. In any event, the show’s theme song went, in part, something like this: “People yakkity yak and waste our time of day, but Mr. Ed will never speak unless he has something to say… A horse is a horse, of course of course…” Well, I generally feel like Mr. Ed in that regard, and do not want to talk or write and waste your time unless I have something to say.
So much of what has been presented as topical or important during the pendency of the Casey Anthony case has been, what I consider to be, white noise. That is, a lot of sound and dissonance with little or no consequence or meaning to either the prosecution of the defense of the criminal case itself. That is not to say that certain “white noise” events are not in some ways interesting, or should not be of interest to us. Rather, these things just do not, in my opinion, rise to the level of scholarly discussion or analysis.”
So, while we find a lot of interesting things to discuss here and other places, Bill finds a lot of what is going on white noise…
But the people following this case for the last 2 years find the white noise interesting…
Let’s face it. If not for the Sunshine Law and the Anthony’s and their “outspoken ways”, there would not be much to talk about or analyze.
Hi Morgan. I don’t think there will be any doubt during or after (she is convicted), that Casey had the best defense the taxpayer’s of Florida could buy.
I think we all understand that in this country everyone deserves to have an attorney (or in this case a gaggle of attorney’s) represent/defend them. I also don’t think this case is different from any other high-profile murder case where the defense team is looked upon by us laymen as doing things we find incredulous when the majority of the public find the person accused is guilty.
I agree Morgan, that if I were accused of murdering my child or anyone else, that I would be screaming from the rooftops at the top of my lungs that I “did not do this”.
We have all seen parents who’s children have “really” been kidnapped going on TV to get the word out. Pleading for their child’s return.
All we saw from Casey Anthony from the beginning (meaning “after” she says her daughter was kidnapped 31 days ago) were lies, lies, lies. And smiles. And thumbs up and high fives with her brother. And laughter while she was being interviewed by the police who were trying to find her supposedely kidnapped littl girl.
Look at John Walsh. And Mark Klass. One thing both or one of them said is that they immediately took a lie detector so the police could immediatley cross them out as having anything to do with their childs disappearance, and start looking for the person who took their child. None of that happened here. Not with Casey OR her family.
WooBabie said,——————-
excuse me… have you lost your mind? I have been on vacation — just got back. Your trying to analyze things is so strange.
LindaNewYork said, on September 10, 2010 at 7:50 am ———
Just read your earlier remark to Woobabie…. have you lost your ever loving as well??? What do you mean …:”good catch ..” ?
Morning all, TGIF, my air conditioning just went out! Yikes! Gotta call the Air Conditioning Man! Still in the high 90’s here.
I agree BEES KNEES, this case has so much information, & the thing is, if you miss a week, there is always a lot to catch up on, for a new person it would seem at this point, they just need to watch the trial. I find myself looking up names from time to time on “less known contributor’s to the case,” for example, like some of the FBI experts etc. I too like to read the comments at Hinkey’s & some at WS, peeps contribute a lot of good information & thoughts too.
LindaNewYork, seems things are slow at her blog. Guess she is bored with her own topic & seems she has even stooped to a new low for a troll hurling insults your way, continue to laugh at her immaturity.
WooBabie said as we always say, IGNORE! IGNORE! IGNORE! I agree, there are endless resources for “newbies to check out,” especially at Hinkey Meter.” I continue to look up old information or re-read old doc dumps looking for information, people not attempting to “look for themselves” aren’t contributing, jmo. I was glad to get those “autopsy links from you the other day, I reviewed them as I tend to forget some of the minor details, or maybe the details less interesting.” (brain farts)
It’s been great with the break from INA since Val hal called her out for being a blatant LIAR on this BLOG. Val really put her in her place.
Morgan, I agree, Sims will be interesting in the cross examination. It would seem, imo, IF Baez knew she would be coming onto the team, he would have waited to do Dr. G’s deposition & let her do it since this is supposed to be her area of “expertise.” Do you think LK Baden is leaving.
Woobabie, LMAO about your comment too on Yo Hola, as LNY said, “great observation.”
Hallo it has been a while since I read here, and first thing I read is about me. Lol “val put me in my place”, now really, she would like to have that much power 🙂 I think I just pointed out that amateur blogs are not a very good source for the truth. I hope no juror will depend on it. Blogs are not the source. They are a source for income though, that is true.
It is a pity mr Sheaffer is too busy or bored, I feel the same way about this ‘case’.
It is a long time before the trial starts. Meanwhile the rights of people in jail everywhere in the world are violated big time. Mr Sheaffer could write a lot about that I am sure 🙂
art tart said, —– and what are YOU talking or laughing your *ss off about ?
Ina said, on September 10, 2010 at 10:50 am ——–
Hello Ina … I too have been off this blog for few weeks. I was away – nice to see you …and wow…. some of the recent comments are way out of line… “put Ina in her place” …. good catch re: me and who knows who. Strange group.
Hi yo 🙂 Yep strange bunch. lol 🙂 nice to see you here too.
Ina, “Val hal did have that much power,” she called you out for your “lying,” & those of us that follow the facts & intelligent exchanges, use Hinkey Meter as a great resource, Val doesn’t put up with the “games played on this sight by you or jbmission.” The peeps on that sight don’t tolerate it either, they hold other’s accountable for their thoughts & the idiotic exchanges & name calling done here aren’t tolerated there either.
It’s unfortunate that this sight isn’t moderated or those of us that like to share information on the case wouldn’t be bothered by either of you here.
IGNORE! IGNORE! IGNORE!
art I never lie, I just found out she was mistaken. Those of you that believe nonsence, well you should know better 🙂 .
Why do you so hysterically want people to ignore your comment btw? (ÏGNORE! IGNORE! IGNORE!)
hm big lag in here and I made typo’s. later 🙂
JB doesn’t need your approval or respect—-LMAO—No one (2 words) on the popular informative blogs likes any of you. It’s all the same chit on this dull a$$ blog. You don’t need a new thread….haha!!! For what??? I think you’ve covered it all…even to what color drawers Casey Anthony wears…what she eats for breakfast..does she brushed her teeth three times a day. Give us all a f*@king break paleeeeeezz
Give it up!!! Soooo….effing redundant!!! Get jobs…find a hobby…its been over 31 days since anyone has said ANYTHING new.
This is a “great observation” LOL, don’t you agree???
Hmmm, and what popular informative blogs do you go to? Same things being dicussed everywhere. Reduntant or not. If you find it so boring, JB, or whoever you are then don’t read here. Go to the blogs that are talking about something new or more to your liking.
Fleur de’ Licious —-
nice to see you …. I like your name 🙂 …. and your words. Something really odd has been going on this blog. Reading back a few weeks and you’re correct. Nothing new has been discussed, just blasting others and .. excuse me almost kissing each others *sses.
LindaNewYork, looks like the trolls are back in full force. It looks like theJBMission would do something “creative on her own blog & quit harassing other’s.” Strange how INA nor Yo Hola choose to hang out at her blog but choose to come here to complain.
INA! Craig suggested to IGNORE you!
Yo Hola, can’t you even tell when theJBmission is playing games with you? It’s no surprise that you like Fleur de’ Licious’ name, it’s the JBmission. LOL!
For the trolls that bother other’s & complain about this sight, go to theJBMission blog where you can discuss whatever trolls discuss with each other. Those of us wanting to discuss the case here will continue to do so in spite of your ineptitude.
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IGNORE THE TROLLS!
art tart ————– get a grip ….. don’t you think I know the fleur de Lis and JB’s avatar are the same…. but … don’t you know what a troll is? I actually do not go to other blogs — I have more important things to do than that … but … I keep hoping that Bill will shortly provide more legal analysis — some how a bunch of opinionators don’t impress me.
Oh — and the statement that peoplehere want to discuss the case?? Hello …. I’ve been away for a bit …but in reading the posts all I’ve seen in the regurgetation of who the babby daddy is … and the same old same old drivel — you can’t be serious.
It’s been ages since I commented here, but I read daily (pretty much). It’s like groundhog day.
Opinions will differ, and none of us really knows the total truth. My truth is that Casey did it, Cindy and George are aiding and abetting, along with Lee and Mallory. They all belong in jail, Casey can either take a shot in the arm or rot in jail, either is fine by me, and YES the death penalty is needed in some cases. People from the Netherlands tend to be cold and arrogant, but must have some redeeming qualites, and hi to LNY.
Important upcoming dates in the case:
Second Amended Order Setting Discovery, Motions and Hearing Deadlines, and Trial Date
Judge B Perry ~ Sept 2, 2010
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24867471/detail.html
Exchange of Witness lists and Evidence Schedules for Motion Hearings
Not later than two full working days before a hearing, both parties are to exchange
and file with the Court a list of all witnesses and a schedule of all exhibits
which the party will offer at hearing.
Additionally, expert witnesses shall be designated as such.
No motions will be heard during Status Conferences.
Sept 2010
27 – Status conference
30 – State expert witnesses depos complete
Oct. 2010
29 – Status conference
31 – Defense expert witness evidence review complete
Depos of all LE or LE employees complete
Depos of all non-expert witnesses complete
Non scientific/forensic legal motions not requiring testimony filed and heard by court
Nov. 2010
29 – Status conference
30 – Defense must –
1. list all expert witness she intends to call
2. provide any reports prepared by expert witnesses
3. file any motions related to scientific/forensic evidence
All LE non scientific/forensic evidentiary motions filed
All penalty phase witnesses must be listed.
Dec. 2010
31 All LE non scientific/forensic motions must be heard.
January 2011
10 Status conference
Feb. 2011
4 Status conference
28 Defense depos of all expert witnesses complete
Motions related to scientific/forensic evidence must be heard
All penalty phase depos complete
March 2011
4 Status conference
April 2011
8 Status conference
May 2011
9 Trial begins – jury selection
16 Opening arguments
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I wonder when the MOTIONS will be heard, I guess the dates will be announced, I am interested in hearing the MOTIONS on Kronk, etc. It seems there is still a lot of outstanding depos to do. Yuri is being deposed today by the Defense.
Hi “amazed.”
REMEMBer..DO NOT FEED THE TROLL! Shes freaking out and acting like a great big sucky baby because she is not allowed to post on any of the good blogs. hell, she can’t make comments at any of the blogs good or bad except for the ones that aren’t moderated like this one and that is why she had to start her own but nobody goes there. It must suck to be her. Knowing that other adults want nothing to do with her no matter how many names she uses. shes a real idiot AND A BIG SUCK.IGNORE IGNOR IGNORE.
LMAO! Thanks for reminding me NOT TO FEED THE TROLLS! You are correct, they can’t post on MODERATED Blogs because of their behavior!
I will certainly follow your advice & IGNORE! Craig has reminded us to IGNORE, thanks for reminding me again!
LMAO! said, on September 10, 2010 at 2:27 pm
—————————————-Wow — just got back in ….. and saw your post …. who, oh who is the “troll” to whom you are referring?????
For those that “discuss the case,” R Hornsby has a new article on the PENALTY PHASE which is interesting.
http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2010/09/preparing-for-the-penalty-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-3576
artart this the comment your tal;king about;
Valhall said, on August 20, 2010 at 7:32 pm Ina said, on August 14, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Paranoide bs, pardon me lol. The hinky meter was also the blog with the six chapters so called professional analyses about Casey Anthony’s mental state, without the writer ever been close to her? Just don’t believe everything you read on blogs. There IS reasonable doubt, so why need a conspiracy theory? Let the prosecution prove she is guilty, and if they can’t do it, let it be.
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Oh my goodness….what a wicked little liar Ina has become! WRONG, Ina…and you know it. The six part series going over the Eraser Killer profile and MY OPINION of how Casey matches it was never called “a professional analysis” (or even an analySES). In fact, I think you – or anybody else who wants to see what a stinky little liar you are – could easily check that in multiple places through-out that six part analySIS, I made it clear I have no formal psychology background.
Now…while I absolutely agree with you that the words of any given blogger (professional, unprofessional, semi-professional, bush-league or outback) should be taken as something to CONSIDER and then either DECIDE that it is LOGICAL, ACCURATE, and CAN BE ACCEPTED, OR BULLCRAP, MORONIC, and WRONG and therefore REJECTED, I find it curious how you selectively choose the blogs you decide to REJECT based solely on their POSITION. In my case, that position being about as controverted to yours as one could get – without having to turn my avatar to a nice shade of blue to diametrically oppose your carotine orange square that repeats at some odd natural frequency on this board.
So I’ve notice that for my blog, you don’t necessarily have anything that mimics intelligent commentary against my blog, but just little sophomoric jabs and false-light insinuations at it because it just doesn’t set well with your decision to parade your endless (what I believe to be FAKED) confusion over how in the world another country’s judicial system could possibly operate contrary to the operating guidelines YOU would create for it.
It got old a long time ago, Ina.
LMAO! Yes, that is the article in which Val hal addressed Ina & her lies, & reminded Ina, “It got old a long time ago!” Hinkey Meter, imo, has one of the “best blogs on this case,” the com mentor’s are respectful, share information, & discuss the case intelligently.” TROLLS & games “aren’t allowed on her site or monitored blogs.”
Very interesting subject R Hornsby has addressed on the Penalty Phase. I have a lot of questions about what will happen once KC is convicted, glad to see someone addressing it. T Lenamon wanted to address KC “mental capacity” in the beginning but the “3 yr. attorney on training wheels” wouldn’t hear of it, he wasn’t about to spend ANY of KC’s money except on his salary, imo. Look where he got her! They deserve each other & KC will certainly deserve the Verdict she receives.
LMAO, thanks for digging up Valhall telling the carotine orange one how it is, which she did much better than I can.
Hi to you too, amazed. Where ya been? Nice to “see” you
All the Casey blogs got her number. They know all about her. I admit I get sucked in sometimes with her and another. Oh well, my own fault.
She loves to incite trouble and brag about it on her blog to her one an only reader/commenter. And before the other one comes in spewing nasty language.
Hal Boedeker has an interesting article about John Walsh & his new FALL Season. He commented on KC’s case:
What’s Walsh’s reaction to the Casey Anthony case? “It’s such a sore on Florida,” he said. “It’s just a nightmare.”
“It’s like a horrible reality show,” Walsh said. “Florida taxpayers say, ‘Put this woman on trial and move on.’ It’s just tragically sad. They should have had the trial six months ago.”
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/09/john-walsh-calls-casey-anthony-case-such-a-sore-on-florida.html
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John Walsh has said in past interviews that he felt KC was absolutely the murderer of Caylee, he is also interested in J Kesse’s case, a case I wish could be resolved for these parent’s.
I have thought of KC’s case as a Reality Show too, a miserable set of character’s from the Lying Parent’s, scumbag PI’s, rumored affairs, constant drama created by the family to spew propaganda,” a scumbag attorney or two promoting themselves ALL at the expense of a Murdered Child. jmo. What a sorry bunch!
Hi gals! You’re right! We have too much class to jump into a muddy sty with that. Besides, we look better on the high road without all that stink ~ and it’s nice to know that we are welcome on any blog we want to comment on. Linda don’t feel bad about getting sucked in. Who cares? It only lasted for a few minutes, right? Thanks for the link art tart! Hi amazed. Nice to see you.
BEES KNEES, be sure to check out that link I listed to Hornsby too, great article on the Penalty Phase.
Yup a few minutes on “things” that in the big shcene of things mena less than nothing to me. Did you get done reading at seamus? Another analysis is up, I think about Lee. Gonna go check it out.
Which reminds me, art tart, you watch the type of shows I watch. There was a 2 hour special on the History International Channel (HSI) about body language. It was interesting
Oh no, Linda! Another analysis! My eyes have just quit bleeding from the last one! Arrrgghhh!!! But I really like them. And thanks art tart, I’ll be sure to check that link. I better go find some Visine (eye drops) before I continue. Later!
Oh yeah, the Hornsby Blog. Read that this morning. Interesting that he beleives she is not there so much as to cross examine Dr. G’s autopsy and believes there is littl medical evidence to attack and that she is there more for the penalty phase regarding her mental health/ and mitigating factors. If I read that correctly.
I had to laugh too about the MDinaBox business Ms. Sims has (Jill on Niecey’s left a link to an article avout it). I said something over at Niecey’s that Jose will present the NANNYinaBOX and say, “see, there IS a Nanny. She’s over there in a box.” (Yeah my attempt humor didn’t go over too well over there, either LOL!)
I think you will like this Statement Analysis, Judy (where are you?). The one that Linda’s talking about (Lee Anthony). Here’s the link:
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/
LindaNewYork, it would seem “too little too late, imo” for the argument. T Lenamon “wanted to have KC evaluated, but hell NO!” Lawyer on training wheels wasn’t about to spend KC’s money on her defense, he used it for his salary! Now, KC needs a Pysc. Eval at the Taxpayer’s expense & what T Lenamon told Baez at the beginning of the case, she now needs, could have been used over 2 years ago in her defense & argument against the DP!
KC probably is Narcissistic or Borderline Personality, but, they are “no defense” in cases where parent’s murder their children as we see murderer’s convicted all the time on 48 HRS. or Dateline. Susan Smith, Darlie Routier, Diane Downs, Betty Broadrick, all suffer from personality disorders, Darlie Routier still sits on Death Row tonight. KC may well beat the DP for different factors, imo, being that the Anthony’s have already lost Caylee, a jury may be sympathetic to the ANT’s losing KC to the DP. BUT! Who knows, it will depend how CRAZY they act furing the trial. LOL!
I ws channel surfing and went by JVM show and she was saying “braking news” Detective grilled by defense and is saying Caylee abused or something like that. HAsn’t been on yet but found this:
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2010/september/149660/Detective-testifies-in-Casey-case
Jose claiming docs recently recieved are favorable to Casey, claims sate is holding things back.
Friday was a big day for Casey Anthony’s defense. They were questioning detective Yuri Melich, the lead detective on the case. The defense says they talkED about newly released evidence concerning Melich.
From article:
“Discovery that was given to us last week has substantially important things in it from Melich that they’ve held back from us since August 2008,” said Cheney Mason, with Casey Anthony’s defense.
Mason said the discovery concerns cell phone pings and new witnesses they want to talk
I guess I will hold judgement until docs are released.
Goin back to JVM..
Well, I missed the very beginning of the JVM segment (switching between her and King Of Qeens). Nothing about abuse. She was just mentioning Melich was deposed by defense today, played clip of him at bond hearing speaking about the car smelling like a decomposed body. And she was asking her panel about if they believe the defense will use a conspiracy theory defense, ie: the cops planting evidence, colluding with Roy Kronk, not looking for Zanny the Nanny, will they be pointing fingers. Nothing earth shattering! (art tart, our friend Vinny Politan was on).
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R. Hornsby also mentioned in his article that the SAO. PRIOR to putting the DP (back) on the table confered with…Well R. Hornsby said this:
“Jeff Ashton has already gone on record that the reason the State sought the Death Penalty was because Casey Anthony was the first women who did not have some mental issue that justified not seeking death penalty.
This suggests that the State consulted with a mental health professional before seeking the death penalty to reach such a conclusion.”
I guess a mental issue like Andrea Yates.
And yuo are right art tart, being a Narcissist and having a Borderline Personality disorder (and being a pathological liar, a thief, and a selfish little b*tch) is NO defense for a Casey Anthony (and others).
LindaNewYork, thanks for the news link, I assume the 400 pages of information LD Burdick found on Yuri’s laptop is what the defense is talking about, the documents Judge P advised LD Burdick to go check.
imo, I continue to find it strange that the DUH-fense continues to Grand Stand about their client’s innocence, it must be hard for them to even convince themselves. I can’t wait to hear their explanation for three things: 31 days missing, the phantom nanny, & all the lies/non existent job etc.
LNY, I was reading at http://www.foxnews.com, about the 800 plus responder’s that have died since 9-11. There are at least 80 more, they quit keeping records of those that moved out of State, how very sad, 80% died of “health related illnesses.” It breaks my heart, the loss of more “heroes,” our Nation still mourns.
OK, Yo Hola –
Look at these entries and tell me that you see NO SIMILARITIES with the bizarre punctuation (if you can even call it punctuation). If that’s not you, then you’ve met your match – you both have the inability to properly construct a sentence and have the identical habit of using multiple dashes and periods, in particular.
Compare this:
Yo Hola! said, on August 24, 2010 at 7:13 am ,
Terrytsk ——— just a note to you and whomever …… I firmly believe …and have stated from the beginning……. major drug involvement- and not just “using recreational substances” == played a role in Caylee’s dimise — (just as , but not the same way, Halieigh Cummings suffered) —- too many aspects of her behaviour point to the drug culture ….. I do not believe my questioning other poster’s personal beliefs is tantamount to not participating in the discussion …. I am just not in lockstep……Scroll way back …..and you can see my thoughts and reasoning…,.,..,,.
To this:
O ME O MY said, on September 9, 2010 at 9:15 pm
Was out — enjoying a ROSH HASHANA dinner —– must say — there are some wack jobs here —— and at least one ….. should be looking at the new year –5771 with more respect ————-
Fleur De’ Licious — love your name … and your comments ……….
and — LindaNewYork —- you shame true New Yorkers ——- we are true heart are not that cruel……………
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And look here – the coincidence is just insane!
Yo Hola! said, on September 10, 2010 at 11:26 am
Fleur de’ Licious —-
nice to see you …. I like your name …. and your words.
O ME O MY said, on September 9, 2010 at 9:15 pm
Fleur De’ Licious — love your name … and your comments ……….
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You still claim that’s not you?
I don’t really care if someone wants to hide under a name to say something, but I find it humorous that you deny something so obvious. It’s like a giraffe trying to hide in a bunny suit. Which would make me laugh also.
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People, Is this all you have to do? Some of you people are pathetic, you want to take over BS blog for your own agenda. What the hell is it to any of you what a commenter says here as long as it is not an insult to the blog owner or an out and out personal attack to which it belongs strickly to the parties only involved. GROW UP:! Not everyone skips to the same beat, THANK GOD! What is it about people who think they need to prove they are better than another person. That’s a bunch of BS and I don’t mean Bill Sheaffer. You want to bitch about and to each other, set up your own blog and leave this open to other visitors or go join Baldaintbeautiful where nothing but hateful bitches and “Godly men” hang out and bitch, bitch, bitch, repeat, repeat, repeat! Or go join the CLOSETS where the Saints go behind closed doors to gossip about all of you and everybody else. Crap, crap, has ruined the bloggers attempt to do anything worthwhile. I wanta say S___t but that wouldn’t be nice. It is a sick existence and I am personally going to get some fresh air from all of it and get a life.
Ooh, I will have to read Hornsby’s article tomorrow. I’ve been wondering if he’d put a new one up, but thought prolly not since there’s nothing going on.
I put off reading the autopsy report for a long time, art tart, because I thought it would be a bunch of terminology that I wouldn’t understand. I was wrong, it was summarized and put into laymen’s terms very well. Reading it is worthwhile.
Why in the heck do people come in here expecting new topics of conversation when there is NOTHING NEW going on in this case? What do you expect to find here? You can check to see if Bill has a new post up WITHOUT entering this thread. Every time these people come in here they express their disdain for the repetitive conversation, add nothing new themselves, know very well what they’re going to find before they come in here, yet continually come back? What the funk is the point?
Those questions are rhetorical. No answers needed.
I have a life, Beav. I come in here (or any of the blogs) late at night after my kids are in bed or very early before they get up, whom I spend the rest of the day with before and after work and partake in my hobbies and domestic duties, etc. If there is a more politically correct time-frame in which to post without it being insinuated that I don’t have a life or need a hobby, please someone enlighten me.
Now, I am going to put some blinders on and continue with what I choose to comment on, as I was before. Which means I’m ignoring anyone who acts like a jerk.
WooBabie —————-
Well — as they say — imitation is the highest form of flattery — and since I HAVE BEEN a published writer, perhaps someone else enjoyed my style and decided to emulate it….. Yes, it is distinctive…. but it has served me well for neigh until 35 years. FYI — broadcast journalism has it OWN WRITING STYLE, a style which I’ve used and taught. So my friend, anything else?
Not for nothing, but…Most blogs most certainly do speak about a lot of things over and over again regarding this case. And there most certainly are “new” things that come up all the time. For instance the link I left above regarding from channel 13 regarding Jose saying the state is “holding things back”. As with almost any blog the subject the author writes about could be older news and then the very next day sommething comes up in the news OR a commenter brings something up old, older, or really old and the conversation goes there. And unfortunately some people absolutley do personally attack or attack the conversation just for the sake of being rude and mean and insulting. If you read through many months you will see who and what I mean. Nobody is trying to take over anyone’s blog. In fact, the majority of the time, WFTV articles, video’s etc. are discussed here, when they arise. I spoke with the moderator of this blog via e-mail and he doesn’t have a problem with what is discussed here. If the blog should shut down, yeah, maybe I will create my own blog to discuss the case with some great people here.
Hi Woobabie. You need to put your kids to bed earlier so we can speak in “real time”! LOL!
art tart, It’s ihas beenn the NY papers often enough regarding the illnesses of those who responded on 9/11. Amazing the physical ailments (not to mention emotional) that still resonate after 9 years. My Flag is flying today.
—— and my heart is stopped with sadness as it was 9 years ago. May all the lost find peace in the “ha olum ha ba” …
God Bless America and thinking today of those who lost their lives and their families who are still grieving.
I still cannot wrap my mind around people of a religion who have so much hate Americans.
Below is a link from a Firehouse in the county I live in. This Firehouse is from the town where I lived from 11 years old o until I was 35. I knew many firemen there over the years, went to many parties at the firehouse, fundraisers and fairs.
My county along with so many counties and towns in NY, lost NYPD Firefighter and/or volunteer Firefighters. I knew one, Greg Sikorsky, and went to school with his brothers. One brother serves in the US military, to this day, in Iraq. Thankfully 2 other friends in the NYPD made it out safely but lost many fellow firefighters.
Thanks for the long ago drinks, Greg.
http://signal-12.com/911.htm
Amen, Yo Hola. “ha olum ha ba” had to google that. I beleive in an afterlife/heaven.
LindaNewYork ————– yes, the translation from Hebrew is “the world to come.”
Im more to lurk than comments but I will say nothings wrong with this blog. theres a lot of smart conversations all the time until the trouble maker comes to look for fights., see some of the comments they come to make. they soun d like bratty little children–y ou read them and then tell me why they would, even bother to go to a blog to say only this things?J B you and ina are the worst offenders and its interesting to see the location your ip is. so they like to use a lot of names but they are no smarter than KC who think people cant t ell a lie from a truth. we can. and if they are not trolls then why dont you ever see them on any blogs.
blurker ————————– hi, I’m a bit confused with what you wrote … first you said nothing is wrong with this blog — then you blast JB and Ina — then you refer to the IP — how can YOU see that? And, you say “if they are not trolls, why don’t you ever see them on any blogs” — actually, that doesn’t make too much sense …. but — a troll is essentially “A blog troll is someone who comes to your blog specifically to cause trouble. It’s usually a repeated effort rather than a one-time thing.” Therefore, one would see trolls on lots and lots of blogs…. they in fact, “troll around.” Whatever.
The agenda is obvious when you note that Ina, JB Mission and Yo Hala disappear and then show up en mass all together, with a few new “handles” created to agree with them and establish that their asinine commentary is legitimate. Also to bad mouth this blog and the commentators opinions, which I enjoy reading.
JB Mission spouting STFU. Is that the best you got JB? You want to debate but instead throw a hissy fit. Are you stamping your feet too?
Terrytsk said, ————————– Ya think? And do you see the black helicopters overhead? I, Yo Hola! only use this name….. don’t participate in any other blog … therefore, what is the agenda??
Yo Hola, the TROLLS that disrupt this site do so because it is NOT MONITORED, they are banned from most Monitored Sights! Their TROLLING has gotten them “banned from the more reputable sites,” with Val Hal, Hinkey Meter, coming here to CALL INA OUT for being a LIAR for LIES she tried to spread on this site! Their constant disruption is unfortunate & most of us that want to discuss the case continue to do so IN SPITE of their immaturity, games, name calling. You seem to “empathize with them, but, you rarely discuss the case either, you seem bogged down in challenging other’s, not on the case, but on some comment they made unrelated to the case.
Those that have criticized the TROLLS have done so because their behavior apparently is “only new to you since you claim you don’t visit other blogs.” IT’S NOT TOLERATED elsewhere! We have ALL seen it except you!
Isn’t it ironic that both of the TROLLS have their own Blogs! It is also ironic as WooBabie pointed out, that you seem to show up in “full force with the Trolls” when they show up to spew their insults, ineptitude, & garbage on this site.”
Terrytsk & Blurker are both absolutely correct, those of us that “follow this case closely Yo Hola, know the games they play as we have seen them TRY to “pull their BS on other sites but were quickly banned.”
For all your comments today, AGAIN, you fail to comment or discuss Caylee’s case, you comment on ANYTHING BUT THE CASE & I don’t understand why you come here. As WooBabie mentioned, it is easy to CHECK for a new topic & move on, it’s the constant disruptions that bother those of us interested in the case.
WooBabie & LindaNewYork, Maura wrote an “excellent comment” on R Hornsby’s article on the “Penalty Phase,” you won’t want to miss it. I love the way Maura presents the facts to support her opinion, although Mr. Hornsby hasn’t answered Maura yet, imo, he too is probably impressed.
For those wanting to read her comment on the facts in the case, here is the link:
http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2010/09/preparing-for-the-penalty-phase/
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Val hal, Hinky Meter, added interviews into her library:
Shelley Churchill interview with OCSO on 08/24/09
Brian Burner interview with OCSO on 08/30/08.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
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I am trying to “catch up on things in the case” I have missed, I am “impressed” with the “Library Val hal has created” in this case so the facts can be checked, read, or re-read.
hi art tart. I’ve mentioned I’ve been going through Valhall’s Library the past couple of weeks. Will have to check out the new interviews. I love reading Maura. OK going to see what she wrote on Hornsby’s blog.
“For all your comments today, AGAIN, you fail to comment or discuss Caylee’s case, you comment on ANYTHING BUT THE CASE & I don’t understand why you come here.”
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Art tart, there are people who lurk the blogs and get off by doing whatever it takes to get attention. Just like a kid, good or bad, it’s still attention. Whatever. It’s easy to ignore.
With the news of yet another person attaching herself to the baby-killer I’ve been puzzling about the lawyers and experts who are drawn to casey’s defense. Even while watching their colleagues running from her sinking ship they still clamber aboard. And without compensation. They’ve got to know they aren’t even going to garner any positive recognition out of it. Who knows if they’ll ever get rid of the skank they were dosed with while trying to frame innocent people in order to defend a baby-killer.
They can’t even hope to show that the State has not acted in anything other than stellar in my opinion. Given what they had to work with 31 days later, along with the f*cked-up family of liars that leapt to her defense, destroying evidence, lying, tampering . . . we all know the whole family should be behind bars and hopefully if the system works as it should, they will be some day.
And if the lawyers and experts that are so strongly-compelled to aid someone accused of a baby-killing, there must be others ~ hundreds of indigent defendants throughout North America who deserve free council at least as much as casey. Maybe some innocent defendants that need it even more. Yet how many hundreds of thousands of dollars will have been spent when this is over? I’ve read some forecasts that it would be over one million dollars. I’d love to hear some of your theories.
Thanks for all the links. Off to read them . . .
BEES KNEES, I don’t get it either. WHY would Mason, Baden, Sim’s, attach themselves to this horrific case of a mother that murdered her child? Baez is an idiot, barely a lawyer when he was able to get the case, so imo, who cares about that moron, he will never have any substantial career other than what he had before the case, a minimal DUI attorney barely paying his rent.
Lyon’s was smart enough to DUMP Baez/KC/Mason before she suffered “repercussions to her professional career,” but Mason joining the Circus when he could have just retired with his reputation in tact, but claiming “it would be fun,” now has been shown to be “inept, confused, unable to locate even a Statute in a Court hearing w/Judge P having to have a clerk look it up for him, ill prepared, not even up on the case”. Baez, the MEDIA WHORE has had that very MEDIA he lusted for report his ineptitude, show Failed Motion after Failed Motion, Lied to Judge P about Lunceford, his home in foreclosure, the $$$$ he got for selling KC’s memories is all gone, & imo, will never be more than the DUI attorney he was before he hooked up w/MY GIRL!
These “Media Whore Attorney’s” have all gotten just what they deserved with NeJames “telling Mason his partner was not ONLY INCOMPETENT, but a LIAR!.” YEP!
I think most people feel a sense of outrage when someone is wrongfully accused and/or convicted of a crime. We all know it happens.There are low life LE and prosecutors who have rail roaded innocent people, falsified evidence, deliberately withheld exculpatory evidence, etc. That is a shame. In fact, it’s a travesty of justice.
I applaud programs like “The Innocence Project”. I applaud attorneys who take on an indigent client pro bono, because they believe they are innocent and have been wrongfully convicted. If you can afford to work for free, it’s the right thing to do from a moral and ethical stand point and I bet that helping to clear a wrongfully convicted and incarcerated person is the ultimate in job satisfaction for any attorney, even a prosecutor, because ultimately they chose this vocation because they want justice for the victim. They want the “bad guy (or girl)” to pay for their crimes.
But this is not the case with one Miss Casey Anthony. These attorneys, too many to name, are IMO not jumping on the band wagon to save an innocent who is being treated unfairly. Quite the contrary.
I agree Terytsk with attorney’s who work pro-bono to free those wrongfully convicted and applaud them.
I was watching a show about such attorney’s. They take on cased where there is “clear evidnec” of innocence. In that particular program one of the attorney’s highlighted a convict wheo wasted their time and when the DNA evidence came in (it was a rape/murder) the guy was clearly guilty.
I would venture to say that there are LE and prosecutor’w who are not on the up and up and bleive they are a small minority. I believe those in LE and prosecution are there for truth and justice.
No, Casey Anthony is not one of those cases.
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Hi Bees.
Terrytsk, I agree that “most people feel a sense of outrage when someone is wrongfully convicted of a crime” but this is not what has happened in this case. Attorney’s have attached themselves “to the murderer of a child,” with the sole purpose of profiting from that murder & getting all the publicity they can, self serving. KC is being used, isn’t that ironic, the “master manipulator & scammer has been scammed herself.” jmho. If you don’t believe it, see how fast KC is DUMPED by everyone in this case with the exception of her lying parent’s once convicted.
I don’t agree, if it is your generalization, that Prosecutor’s are “out to convict innocent people,” as a matter of fact, that rarely happens. The “Innocence Project” has been successful BECAUSE of DNA, strides that have been made in forensics that can now be used in OLD cases, many of which are addressed by the Innocence Project. imo, this is wonderful, but the % is so small. Have you seen the show in which ALL those that apply to the Innocence Project are certainly GUILTY, still proven to BE GUILTY? Proven BY the Innocence Project through DNA? the ID channel did a show on it, it was interesting, not much focus is put on “all the resources & money wasted, time expended, on people that are GUILTY that the Innocence Project still prove their guilty.” ALL criminals claim to be innocent, even KC, the Innocence Project proves some innocent, but the percentage is probably that they prove those incarcerated are exactly where they belong…..
Prosecutor’s represent the Victim & their families, they are paid little in contrast to what Criminal Def Attorney’s make, especially those that EXPLOIT crimes such as KC committed. Public Defender’s & those that truly DONATE their time to represent someone Pro Bono for a defendant that may truly be innocent are rarely reported.
Hornsby made a comment early on when Mason joined KC’s team that there were so many “deserving defendant’s that could have really used his expertise & might even have been not guilty,” unfortunately, Mason chose to be a Media Whore & now the Media has shown him for exactly who & what he is, his reputation is now forever tarnished, KARMA!
art tart, NeJames telling Mason that Bozo was “not ONLY INCOMPETENT, but a LIAR!” was one of my most favourite moments so far in this case.
Terrytsk, you are right and I agree that it is very noble, moral and ethical if you can afford to work for free, it’s the right thing to do. But, why do you think they are jumping onto casey’s bandwagon? Everyone knows she’s guilty so it can’t be they want to free her. And the State is handling it correctly so they can’t accuse them of that. Of all the murderers that deserve a good defense surely to God baby-killers are at the bottom of the list!
Art tart maybe my post was muddled. I was acknowledging that some LE and prosecutors have deliberately prosecuted and condemned innocent people. I did not say that MOST LE/Prosecutors, specifically this team of LE/Prosecutors, have in any shape or form ever deliberately thwarted justice. But it has happened and my heart goes out to anyone who has been deliberately falsely convicted.
I’m on the side of LE and the State Attorneys office. Make no mistake, but a few bad apples can ruin a whole tree and sh!t happens.
Quoting myself, “But this is not the case with one Miss Casey Anthony. These attorneys, too many to name, are IMO not jumping on the band wagon to save an innocent who is being treated unfairly. Quite the contrary”.
OT, my B-I-L was wearing a shirt today that said, “If you can’t stand behind our troops you’re more then welcome to stand in front of them”. Loved it!
God, if experience has shown these defense lawyers anything, you would think they wouldn’t want to touch casey with the proverbial 10 foot pole! But they keep coming from somewhere! And sure as hell, they will be tainted by association. When will they learn that she is toxic?
BEES KNEES! LOL! I agree, NeJames, though he may be short, packs a “punch & doesn’t suffer fools lightly either!” NeJames has been one of the “sharpest attorney’s in this case,imo, he’s quick witted in Cour.” I LMAO when he was on NG the first time, he didn’t put up with her BS either, he jumped right back in her face. She really toned it down & spoke to him respectfully from then on. NeJames is as appalled by the shenanigans in this case as the public, I am glad he openly speaks about it.
BEES, it’s sad, imo, for the MEDIA Whore Attorney’s that have “interjected themselves into KC’s case, for their own self serving Motives.” It will be interesting to see where they are 5 yrs. from now, imo, Baez will still have his “miserable little practice of defending DUI’s,” that is, IF he is able to keep his license to continue to practice law, he seems “minimal, imo, on his understanding of the law, in addition, to the Board with holding that license for 8 yrs., he has certainly been shown to be a liar,” we shall see.
Terrytsk, I understand, my error as I must have misunderstood. I agree with your comment. Thankfully the percentage is small in those cases of those “convicted which are truly innocent.” Now, with DNA, Forensics, etc., hopefully in the future the percentage will be far less. In all aspects of life, “there are always a few bad apples with their own agendas.”
imo, the most appalling case I have ever watched, was OJ’s. Many factors go into convictions, Asst. State Prosecutor wrote in his book that when he saw that Jury, he felt there was no way the STATE would ever get a conviction of the the Celebrity Defendant OJ. Isn’t KARMA great? OJ was of the “criminal mindset,” & as Kim Goldman said, “my dad & I just knew it would only be a matter of time before he was incarcerated.” imo, I hope OJ serves every single day of that sentence, notice how NOBODY CARES when a scumbag goes away like OJ for a long time? Hopefully, the Anthony’s & KC will follow!
The “ins & outs” of the Criminal Justice System are so interesting, I feel confident, imo, even with all the “advantages KC has been afforded with those interjecting themselves into her defense” she will be convicted of the very murder she committed.
Going out again soon (cause I do have life) —————— I do not go elsewhere ————– maybe you guys do ————-but —
Yo, Yo Hola you said, “Going out again soon (cause I do have life) —————— I do not go elsewhere ————– maybe you guys do ————-but —
Are you suggesting that the rest of us don’t have a life? You are commenting, I’m commenting, others are commenting. WeALL have lives. Why you feel the need to write a post to tell us that you “have a life” is beyond me. But then I’m not a psychiatrist or psycholigist. I’m sure there’s a good explaination.
Good evening everyone…looks like a lot went down in my absence LOL
Yo Hola, I don’t believe for a second that you’re a “published” writer. Proper punctuation is a MUST.
mixologist74 ——– you know nothing. Broadcast journalist is not what you learned in grammar or high school………….. so …. do I care what u believe …. NOT … and btw — what is YOUR background???
going now —- some of you are really snarky ————— yo yo yo 🙂
mix I laughed my @ss off when YO-YO says shes a published writer. tell mewhere do these losers come from? I found jbmission site a couple days ago and what a steaming load of – – – – it is .has anybody here ever seen it? remember that freak michelle from madison who was proven to be a man plotting on ways to kill nancy grace? well there she was along with the other nut jobs jb and zub and michelle all of them trying desperately to convince each other that casey is innocent. lol! if you need a good laugh you should check it out. LOL!!!each one of them is worse than the other. its no wonder that they arent allowed on any other blogs
mixologist74, I have been missing you, good to see you. There is a lot of information, but it seems the case may slow to a Status Hearing per month until the trial. There are all those “testy Motions outstanding, especially some about Kronk.”
Yo Hola, your background, or lack thereof, certainly doesn’t help you communicate on this blog, especially on the case, it isn’t rocket science to digest information & make intelligent comments but your lack or inability to “focus on the murder of Caylee Anthony” is in every comment you make so why bother commenting at all? It consistently annoys other’s, but then, you know that, you read the comments made by everyone.
My background should be no concern of yours. 🙂
Hiya art…good to see you too!
blurker, your comment made me LMAO. I bet those that post at Hal Boedeker’s Blog, Orlando Sentinel, the TV GUY wish someone would give Jame McInyre that site address, he drives them NUTS there, the peeps are always jumping on him with two feet, he is another NUT JOB that has inserted himself into the case, sending letters to Judges, outrageously ignorant theories, & yes, he too thinks Caylee is still alive. etc. LOL.
Thanks for the link art tart, I need that basic kind of help sometimes. I totally forgot to print out Richard’s post for my reading tonight. I’ll have to read those two new interviews, too. Who is Shelly Churchill? What is she… LE, searcher, Casey acquaintance?
Oh sure Linda, I’ll put my kids in bed at 4-5pm so I can chat in real time, they would loooove that!! Anyway, I am in Calif, so I’m 3 hours behind you. It WOULD be nice to actually be in here when others are.
And yeah, the Searchable Discovery database at Hinky IS great. I transcribed some of the interviews for it. I feel like I know Shirley Plesea very well. I felt super bad for Jeff, even though I’d read his interview before, when I was actually typing the whole thing out I realized how truly mean it was of Casey to use his name as one of her characters. He wasn’t even in her life. He was a couple years older and went to school with Casey but never knew her much more than passing her in the hallways and saying “hi”. Now she’s tainted his name forever. Like she has so many others.
The defense attorneys coming on board pro-bono… I suspect much of it is about marketing and advertising in the future. They’ll always be able to say they were a part of the Casey Anthony murder trial. Which will be a trial that goes down in history somewhat. Even if she is found guilty, they will forever be linked to this historical trial. And they can use that to market themselves to media, prospective clients, etc. That’s my thought about it anyway. It’s really a self-serving thing in this particular case.
Linda, if you start a blog (or anyone else), let me know. Would it be like an open forum discussion on the case? That’s what I like. I mean, I do like articles like Valhalls, but once I read an article of hers on a particular subject, it’s not interesting to me to revisit the same topic on a different blog. I like the mix of different subjects in one thread, also; people just bringing up topics that come to mind on any particular day. If Bill doesn’t post a new article soon, this thread is going to be impossible to load and type in, and then there’s the lack of moderation. I like hearing opinions from all perspectives, even if someone is pro-Casey, but only if they present it and their following comments are respectful and not insulting to others.
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Hi mix, nice to see that cute baby face!
Hi Woobabie. What, your kids don’t like to go to bed early??
I toyed with the idea of creating a blog on wordpress if this one ever shut down coz I like the conversation here. One time I e-mailed the moderator of this blog coz of the lag and he had said at the time they weren’t sure what they were going to do with it and had mentioned we do talk about WFTV articles and BS/KB video’s. Anyway it’s still up an running.
Some blog owners prefer you stay on the subject that was posted, and I respect that. But there is so much to talk about in this case. Old/New/Really Old! And contrary to what some said here, the same conversations that go on here go on on all the Casey blogs (old/new).
I read at a lot of places but only comment on 2 regularly and others sometimes. It’s just TOO much to comment in too many places on this case. Besides this I like to read Hinkey Meter, especially the misc. thread. Hard to jump in sometimes, but I try. Very informative commenters there. I also Like reading what Niecy has to say on this and other things. She’s a doll and I like the commenter’s there as well.
I have tried to see the point of view of “doubts about Casey’s guilt blog(s)” and while I have only come across one,who blurker mentioned, I it find it to be a little out there with conspiricy theories and excuses for Casey’s behavior and putting the blame on others for her actions. I really have not come across too many professing her innocence.
The thing about Shirley Plesea (and Cindy’s bro, Rick) is that she sees things as most do. The ridiculousness of it all regarding a Nanny kidnapping Caylee, etc. “If it looks like a duck…”
art tart…OH NO James McIntyre–haha. Nut!
Quote from Blurker, “remember that freak michelle from madison who was proven to be a man plotting on ways to kill nancy grace? well there she was along with the other nut jobs jb and zub and michelle all of them trying desperately to convince each other that casey is innocent. lol!”
I do recall reading posts from that freak. It was something like “Nancy Grace Must Die”. This case brings out all of the nut jobs. It’s not surprising to hear that they’re all hanging out at Jose Baez’s Mission site. I mean JB Mission’s site.
We should remember that Jose Baez’s spokesperson was Todd Black, AKA Gil Cabott, who insists he was falsely accused, convicted and incarcerated for extortion. It was a big conspiracy, kind of like they doing to Casey, LMAO. IIRC they had him on tape demanding money from this newscaster or he’d release nude pictures of her. Pretty cut and dry slam dunk kind of case. I followed a link to his site and he says he has proven he’s innnocent!!??!! I can’t remember all of the details regarding his background, but essentially he buys the rights to a notorious “true” story and makes a movie. Jose Baez is a slime ball. There is no doubt.
Morning Friends.
Terrytsk, lol, yep, good ole Todd Black, AKA Gil Cabott. About a year ago I read an article, can’t remember where, but they had investigated Todd Black, & that, Baez, or Todd Black representing Baez, had indeed sold the “rights to a movie on KC.” Hal Boedeker had an article over a year or so ago, that LIFETIME said they “were paying no one for the rights to a Movie on KC.” You can’t blame them. I am certainly “Not Interested” in anything KC has to say about the case, I am interested in what the STATE presents as to what they think happened to little Caylee, their timeline, evidence, witnesses, etc from the trial.” imo, they will connect “all the dots & present the most accurate chain of events,” at least one that will be honest. Lifetime said because so much is already available, the end of the story & the facts could be written during the trial.
Lifetime, said as Ann Rule said, “all the information is coming out in DOC Dumps, interviews, the Anthony’s have sold so many of Caylee’s memories which are all over the internet, the Defense & the Anthony’s had done over 300 interviews as of last May-2010, someone from WS decided to figure out how many they had done because Baez was whining about how much the case is reported on & “polluting the jury pool.” lol.
It will be interesting to see exactly who “does the movie on KC,” imo, I just hope it is “factually correct,” hopefully taken from the facts during the trial, who knows what Jim Lichinstien is going to “sell for the Anthony’s,” imo, “more propaganda I would think.” Maybe the story from the parent’s “distorted view of the facts for 48 hours.”
The made for TV movie on Lacie and unborn baby Connor’s murders was made prior to Scott Peterson’s conviction. I stress IIRC because I could be “misrembering” (new word coined by the lying Anthony family and apparently it’s now a real word). Also known as lying, prevaricating, covering my ass (or in this case my daughter’s ass).
Gil Cabott’s production company was involved in the movie. I assume he bought the rights, but I could be wrong. I’m not trying to mislead readers. Investigation Discovery site has some great information from very qualified people who researched Gil Cabott, Peter Benevides and the possible money laundering through non-profit societies connection.They were involved with the “Never Lose Hope Foundation. Remember those azzholes?
I can’t keep up with it all. Thank God our trusted LE officers and the Assistant State Attorneys are doing such a great job!
Jose Baez, Cheney Mason, Casey, Cindy, George and Lee Anthony. This one’s for you. The synonyms for a liar…..
BS, be untruthful, bear false witness, beguile, break promise, bull*, con, concoct, deceive, delude, dissemble, dissimulate, distort, dupe*, equivocate, exaggerate, fabricate, fake, falsify, fib, forswear, frame, fudge, go back on, invent, make believe, malign, misguide, misinform, misinstruct, mislead, misrepresent, misspeak, misstate, overdraw, palter, perjure, pervert, phony, plant*, prevaricate, promote, put on*, put up a front, snow*, soft-soap, string along, victimize
Terrytsk, LOL, I agree, there is SO much in the case, I haven’t read anything in the past year that I can remember about a movie, it was ALL early on as you said, I think when there was a lot of interest.
TRUTV Library started the story on Caylee, it was written in chapters & I seem to remember it was for 11 or 12 chapters. I thought they would “keep it updated” as they have great stories in their library, but maybe not until the end of the case.”
Somewhere, there will be a $$$$$ for Baez, hopefully not what he anticipated.
imo, LIFETIME could do a pretty good movie IF they consulted with the STATE for accurate information, but of course they can get all that information during the trial & write it themselves.
Quoted from art tart, “who knows what Jim Lichinstien is going to “sell for the Anthony’s,” imo, “more propaganda I would think.” Maybe the story from the parent’s “distorted view of the facts for 48 hours.”
Jim Lichenstein has been in the picture from the beginning. He’s the one that the big celebrity Cindy Anthony contacted when she heard that Larry Garrison (who SHE had hired to make deals=money) was ripping her off. Can you imagine? God have mercy on their souls. As Judge Strickland said, an innocent is dead. End of story. Let’s not forget that a 2, almost 3 year old child was murdered.
Terrytsk, here is the link to TRUTV Library, in which they had started on the Caylee’s story & it hasn’t been caught up since her identification. Hopefully it will by the end of the trial. You may have seen it already, I like the stories in the TRUTV Library, from time to time I go back & read up on a case if it is being appealed or there are new developments. I reread the case of Darlie Routier not long ago from their library as I had seen an update in her case on TRU TV. I like the Book Format in which it is written.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/family/caylee_anthony/4.html
Art tart thanks for the link to TRUTV Library. They sure had Casey’s number. It will be interesting to see the update after her trial.
Back to Jim Lichenstein. I’ve often wondered if he’s doing some sort of reality show starring George and Cindy Anthony, documenting a behind the scenes look at how they’re dealing with the prosecution of their “innocent” daughter. I just can’t see anyone being sympathetic. They are so incredibly unlikable.
Sadly their story is no different then any other grandparents of a murdered child. I’m sure most are shocked that their “child” murdered their own child, their grandchild. I don’t believe for a minute that George and Cindy Anthony aren’t aware that Casey murdered their beloved grandchild.
My thoughts about Jim L. are a lot like yours, I thought he might be putting together a 2 hr. Dateline or 48 hr. Mystery, from the parent’s perspective. The Anthony’s are unique in that they have lost Caylee, & may well lose KC, & I thought he might try to put the audience “in their shoes,” certainly an “unimaginable position,” but imo, not many parent’s would have made the choices the Anthony’s have made. I thought it might conclude with the Verdict. Who knows, I can’t see that a Movie from the Anthony’s perspective would be remotely accurate, but a 2 hr. Mystery, showing actual Court Hearings etc., might
leave less room for “misrepresentation of the facts.” I guess we both think it will be an “avenue for the Anthony’s to get their message out.”
If the story began with the 911 call, & how the nightmare started & then through the verdict, I guess Jim L. could show what the Anthony’s have been through. Jim L. is supposed to be a “pretty savvy guy,” he’s got to know how unpopular the Anthony’s are & the lies they’ve told but I think he could put them in a sympathetic light if he just “showed their experience.”
I agree that the Anthony’s know exactly who murdered Caylee hence why they “don’t demand the killer of Caylee be prosecuted.” Jim L. too could be writing a book with Cindy, you can bet the Anthony’s plan to “continue to live off Caylee’s murder as long as they can.” .
Quote Art tart, “The Anthony’s are unique in that they have lost Caylee, & may well lose KC, & I thought he might try to put the audience “in their shoes,” certainly an “unimaginable position,” but imo, not many parent’s would have made the choices the Anthony’s have made. I thought it might conclude with the Verdict.
Are they really in a unique position? Are they any different then other grandparents who have suffered the loss of their grandchild at the hands of their own “child”? I’m curious. Brad Conway spent a year and half reiterating that no one knows what the Anthonys have gone through. No one else has been in this situation. I say BS. I bet (and hope) that most murdered children had grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins who loved them. Aren’t they in the same position that the Anthonys are in? Why is the Anthonys pain considered to be unique. Their daughter murdered her child, their beloved grandchild. Their situation is no more unique then any other family of a murdered child. Sad but true. God bless the little children who have suffered abuse at the hands of strangers and (supposed) loved ones.
Terrytsk, Someone at WS started a “thread on Jim Litchenstien,” very interesting, LOL, since we have been discussing him. Thought you might want to check it out.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114089
Terrytsk, I don’t feel the Anthony’s are in a more unique situation than any other family that has lost a grand child to murder, you are correct, or to be parent’s of a murderer, their behavior has been appalling, self serving, less than honest, & the media exposure seems to have made them a household name by choosing to “interject themselves into the middle of the story on National Media for profit.
jmo, it seems CA & KC manipulated this story since the 911 call, KC manipulating by lying to LE/FBI/Detectives & CA manipulating the Media, (or trying to,) & less than helpful & forthcoming to assist in the recovery of Caylee, giving wrong brush to FBI. etc.. jmo.
Very Interesting. It seems Jim Litchentstien is already working on a Movie Deal with an Attorney that represented a Serial Killer, the Serial Killer has passed away & he is “doing the story from the Ethical Position the Attorney was in to have this knowledge.”
Instead of a story about a Serial Killer, sounds like it will be a story about the Attorney. I thought Jim L. is possibly working on something with the Anthony’s that would “be about the Anthony’s, their delima, not KC or Caylee.
http://www.allbusiness.com/legal/legal-services-lawyers/13254273-1.html
Thanks Art tart. Interesting. Jim Lichenstein is up to something. I do read at Web Sleuths some times. They’re really on top of updating news about the case. Plus a contributor, Musicman, often provides access to documents before the media gets around to it. I much prefer to read the motions myself instead of reading the interpretation of a journalist. WFTV is good about providing the documents. Fox, WESH and others are not so good.
I’m just not clear on why Web Sleuths insists on using initials when discussing the parties involved. What’s wrong with saying Cindy Anthony, George Anthony, etc. It’s confusing to read TL, LP, RM, blah, blah, blah. Are they worried about being sued?
Jim Lichenstein is up to something.
Art tart, thank you for the link re: Jim Lichenstein. He has been a mystery to me. So many people seem to expect to make their fortune from this case but I still don’t see how they will ~ movies, books, interviews, fraudations, magazine articles, retirement income, Bozo, Mason, George & Cindy etc. Will this case generate enough $$$ so they could all dine on crab puffs for the rest of their lives? It would have to rake in the millions, wouldn’t it, in order to make so many fortunes. And, as you said, Terry, their story is no different than any other grandparents of a murdered child. The only difference is those other families were appreciative of the public’s help (the Anthony family was only rude to the people who were trying to help them ~ in fact have tried to point the finger).
Terry, those were strong and memorable words that Strickland used (an innocent is dead), and when it comes down to it, you would hope that would be front and centre in every one’s mind. Even the defense, whether they like it or not. Their job is to defend casey, I get it ~ but still, they have to consider that most of us have innocent Caylee front and centre. And it is important to all of us to see that the person who took her life from her be treated appropriately by the courts. Sheesh! Bad grammar. Sorry. But you get what I mean.
Bees Knees said, “Will this case generate enough $$$ so they could all dine on crab puffs for the rest of their lives? It would have to rake in the millions, wouldn’t it, in order to make so many fortunes”.
I think this case has run it’s course. I can’t imagine that anyone will become rich on the back of Caylee Anthony. Not even George and Cindy Anthony, in spite of their attempts. It’s done. It’s finished. Their fraudation foundation is a bust.
IMO, Jim Lichenstein does have an agenda. He’s very likely producing some story starring the Anthonys. Maybe they’ll be paid some big money and relocate and make a new life for themsleves. So be it. They’ll never have a moment of peace. They know that their daughter murdered her daughter, Caylee Marie Anthony. They know that they are guilty of foresaking Caylee’s memory by siding with their murdering daughter.
Think about it, they have nothing. If they pick up a few dollars or even many dollars, I don’t care. At the end of the day they have nothing. Caylee is still dead. They’re lives are over.
Ooops. They’re = their.
I’ll go along with you on that, Terry ~ Casey effectively destroyed her entire family with just one murder.
Bees Knees you don’t need to go along with me. Your statement, “Casey effectively destroyed her entire family with just one murder”. Yeah. Casey is a murderer. Caylee was a baby. She was murdered. George and Cindy know that. Caylee deserved to have a life. Casey must pay for murdering Caylee. Cindy is not in control anymore. IMO.
Don’t worry, I won’t really go with you. It’s just a manner of speech. LOL.
Have you all see where Bozo has called for a press conference tomorrow morning? I hear that right now he’s calling all over town trying to find a unicycle and a big bottle of seltzer in time for the media. Seriously though, what do you think is up? Any guesses?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-press-conference-20100913,0,7444523.story
I was also kidding Bees Knees. Very interesting about the presser!
‘K. I’m going to say the morning’s press conference is going to involve OCSD and/or Det. Melich who has worked very hard in this case. And he doesn’t deserve it. But will that stop Bozo and Leghorn? Hell no! Low-class bums, the pair of them.
I had an image of a bumblebee buzzing around your head while following you!
Any guesses as to what tomorrow will bring?
Do you ever read Seamus ORiley’s Statement Analysist? Here’s his latest (yesterday):
The Weakness of Cheney Mason and Jose Baez
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/
I have high hopes that Foghorn and Baez have come to the conclusion that Casey can’t get out of this. Her only hope is to claim mental defect. That’s where Simms and the psycholigist who specialises in dissociative disorders come in. I’m dreaming.
I think you are right. They’re going to announce that Detective Mellich has hidden exculpatory evidence but of course they won’t be able to say what it is. No proof, but it will make Detective Mellich appear guilty. Similiar to when Brad Conway called a presser to “out” LE. Boy he “looked like an azz on the thing” when the reporters questioned him. All of a sudden he couldn’t comment as he shuffled the papers around.
HA HA HA HA HA!!! I remember that! Well, at the very least they sure have provided a lot of laughs!!!
I’m copying just a small part of another Seamus analysis. This one is about Bozo and Leghorn.
“When a high priced attorney is reduced to insulting a detective, it is not just an indication of a weak case, but also of a childish bully who’s own weakenss is on display. Better to have sought a plea, save Casey’s life, perhaps, and keep whatever is left of his dignity.
“. . . Instead, Mason will retire to endless re-running of the tape where he boasts walking “arm in arm”, freely down the street with Casey Anthony. It will be the butt of jokes locally and will be for quite some time.”
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/
Heys BEES KNEES & Terrytsk, I too think this case may have peaked. imo, there won’t be any “Perry Mason Moments,” in the trial unless CA does something “crazier like talking in tongue, etc.” the STATE will connect all the dots & Baez will cross examine & try to score some points, but imo, the Defense will not be able to convince “anyone on that jury that KC didn’t do it, the uphill battle they have, having to listen to week after week of testimony of “competent professionals testify as to all the lies, places went to look for Caylee, the phantom Nanny. Just think, Tim Miller will testify, all the people will testify as to Caylee being missing & the lies KC told them. This could last for weeks, KC/Baez/Mason will have to sit there & watch friend after friend of KC’s testify to the lies she told, I just can’t believe the Defense will remotely overcome the totality of the evidence, they won’t even be able to overcome the LIES KC told, the 31 days, & never calling 911. What a mes!
BEES KNEES, I guess Dumb/Dumber will DUMP on Yuri Melich tomorrow ! Of course it would be more entertaining if Baez regressed into “he was the 1st Hispanic to handle such a high profile case,” again in which he got blasted, or Mason would share that he could be possibly losing his mind,” one thing for sure, the two are always entertaining & continue to portray themselves as Dumb/Dumber. Wonder if Baez will let Dumber talk?
Thanks for the link BEES KNEES. Terrytsk, there may be one payday left for the Anthony’s through Jim L., but imo, that’s it, they will fade away, there will be another big case, they will have to go back to work. YIKES!
“or Mason would share that he could be possibly losing his mind,” one thing for sure, the two are always entertaining & continue to portray themselves as Dumb/Dumber. Wonder if Baez will let Dumber talk?”.
Art tart LMAO! No I don’t think that Dumb will let dumber talk. Wait, isn’t Baez dumber or is he just pretending?
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2010/september/150628/New-lawyers-joining-Casey’s-defense-team
“Attorneys Jose Baez and Cheney Mason will hold a news conference Tuesday morning to introduce three new lawyers who’ve joined the Casey Anthony defense team.
A new death penalty specialist will try and keep Anthony off death row, while an Ocala lawyer will help with expert witness depositions.
The third is a pro-bono attorney who will take over the civil case brought by Zenaida Gonzalez, the woman who is suing Anthony for defamation.” End quote.
I wonder if Mr. Cheney Mason still thinks he’ll be strolling out of the court room arm in arm with Casey Anthony. The old blow hard.
They’ve had to “hire” another death penalty specialist which brings to light Andrea Lyon’s obvious disinterest and lack of commitment in her previous represention of Casey Anthony who is facing the death penalty if convicted of the crime of murdering her 2 year old child. What happened to Andrea Lyon, the self proclaimed “Angel of Death Row”? Oh yeah. She wasn’t being paid, so she quit.
Interesting. I’m on the west coast. I don’t think I’ll bother to set my alarm to watch the press release.
after reading the recent “analysis” of the upcoming press conference participants, I find it strange to believe that these folks think they are actually discussing the case!
IN SESSION is covering the news conference & said it is rumored that Roy Black is joining the Defense Team. Interesting.
Great —- Belich thinks she knows it all….
There is this mumbly marbled voice coming out of my TV.
Looks like Kathi is there!
I think the “gaggle” of attorney’s make her look guiltier. (Is gultier a word? LOL!)
Actually — I’m impressed with the number of qualified attorneys who have agreed to work pro bono.
Ha, the commentator just said that Jose Baez said “We all believe in Casey’s innocence” and then she said “Do they also beleive in (their) fame..this is a case like no other. IMO all those coming on pro-bono have something to sell (Sims, of course mentioned her book) and Jose is looking for the “fame and fortune” and Mason I guess wants to go out with a bang OR nobody’d been paying attention to him lately.
They beleive in her innocence like I believe in the Easter Bunny.
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So, Sims will be questioning (attacking) so-called junk science.
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ART TART! There’s our Mike Borooks!
LindaNewYork, WHAT if that “gaggle of attorney’s” really represented an Innocent Client? Think how wonderful that would be, INSTEAD of signing on to work pro bono for a “mother accused of murdering her child,” like Scott Peterson, High Profile Attorney’s CAN’T make a client NOT GUILTY of Murder & juries deliver the Verdict, not grandstanding attorney’s! Mark Garagos, a great criminal defense attorney has his client sitting on Death Row where he belongs. Just another baby murderer as well as his wife, just another scumbag.
I love Kathy Belich, she ask Mason the questions HE WON’T answer, WHY should these assine attorney’s get to give SOFT Interviews because other’s are too afraid to ask questions. LOL! They ALL report what K Belich ask!
Well I’m not too iimpressed. Like commentators and us laymen have always said is these “pro-bono’s” are in for fame, fortune or to sell something. That’s my opinion.
Art, I was surprised again to “hear” Kathi at the press conference.
They were saying this case is as big as OJ. I think we have come a long way from the flash and trash, and twisted nursey rhymes of a “dream team”. (if it does not, you must aquit. haha) I doubt this case will be another travesty of justice.
And you are absolutley right, art tart, having hig profile attorney’s or gaggle of attorney’s does not make her not guilty.
LindaNewYork, I read over a year ago that one of the reasons this case became “High Profile” was because of the Anthony’s & the Defense Attorney’s, constantly on National Media spewing propaganda, NG had a “big contribution” to the case for those that follow true crime, but I hardly see this as a “Dream Team.” Although so many boasted about the Dream Team in OJ’s trial, imo, it was the “DREAM Jury, one in which Christopher Darden said would never convict” that allowed the murderer to walk, thank GOD he is where he belongs today. YEP! That High Profile Attorney’s couldn’t beat his latest “rap.”
imo, It’s unfortunate that this case “wasn’t plead out” early on, then, KC wouldn’t be looking at the death penalty. I will accept whatever Verdict that 12 Reasonable people decide, but, due to the “mis-steps” of an “unqualified attorney,” it seems Baez has made such a mess of this case. I hope they take the Jury out for a “Smell Test” of the Sun bird during the trial. Then the Jury can decide if the odor of “Decomp” is Junk Science as I bet that trunk still stinks!
LNY, imo, Voir Dire is going to take longer than the one week Judge P has scheduled, this is one of the most important aspects of the whole trial, I do agree with Mason on that.
Hello —- it’s too early to know. One or 25 attorneys mean nothing until the case is tried.
And — just because a press conference is held — it doesn’t mean attorneys are to answer any and every quesation — the conference was to make an announcement — which happened.
Lastly, for now — acting pro bono is NOT to get “fame and fortune” — nor to “make money.”
Trust me, art, I use the term “dream team” tongue in cheek!
I think having Yuri, C&G, on the stand testifying to the smell of decomp will hold a lot of water with a jury. I know it would with me. You have a detective, a nurse and former detective testifying to that odor. So Mason can yap all he wants in his press conference’s. I’ll tell ya, the more they do their little press confernces the more guilty Casey looks. ~”Thou doth protest too much”~
And I think that in any case, the more the defense is on the”attack”, attacking every single thing the prosecutor presents, backfires! If your client is truly guilty show the proof of her innocence. I believe most people with common sense see through the “throwing mud” (sh*t) against the wall tactics. How many cases have we seen on TV, art? WE know the deal! LOL!
You know — I was going to reply ==== but — for right now — I will just read the ill informed comment. Just suffice it to say — far too many have no clue about the judicial system, the role of prosecutor and the defense.
So, Yo Hola, which ill informed comment(s) are you referring to. Mine or arts’ since we, so far, are the only one’s here. Why do you only attack. Why DON’T you try replying? One or two liner’s you make doesn’t make for a give and take conversation.
Please try to articulate your feelings that far too many have no clue about the judicial system. Please don’t just do hit and runs. I am being serious.
I haven’t even checked to see how the “press conference” went. The duh-fense team is too predictable. Tedious. Who cares how many lawyers they have today? So far I believe they’ve lost seven. That’s right ~ SEVEN LAWYERS HAVE QUIT SO FAR. They’ll be lucky to have two of them left by trial. LOL!!! They must all be stupid, and I’m dead serious when I say that. They seem unable to recognize a definate pattern when it comes to casey’s defense! HA HA HA HA HA . . . all it means to me is there will be more idiocy to laugh at. Heh heh heh . . .
Actually – both of you — notice earlier today I did comment regarding the press conference — but — it seems that each of your comments are just to denegrate the defense and what their job is — and laud yuri — who actually did NOT say the smell was of a dead body. And on and on — the prosecution has the role to prove guilt — the defense is bound to comply with the constitution to ensure a defendant’s right – guilty or not – to a fair trial. That’s it.
I’ve read a couple times that casey’s duh-fense watches the blogs to get an indication of the potential jurors paying attention to the case, and I believe that they do. I don’t need to be a psychic to predict that Mr. Bozo is crapping his Big & Tall pants. Err . . . make that his Big & Stout pants. He’s not tall. Just stout. And for extra entertainment value I’m hoping a strong enough breeze will loosen Leghorn’s comb-over styled wig!!! Please God, make it so. We deserve this comedy after two years of being horrified, lied to, and insulted.
You know what I find really sad?
How many people set in the jail that could really use a lawyer, and can’t get even ONE of these lawyers to say squat to them, yet they pile on top of one another to get this child killer off.
Oh I get that Yo Hola. I absolutley understand that both the defense and prosecution have a job to do. However I/we ONLY see the defense in their press conferences and ONLY the Anthony’s on TV shows and see it as nothing more than propaganda and spin. And it is unfortunate that the prosection is held at a higher standard to CANNNOT have a press conference to respond to accusations of impropriately and cannot speak out to the attacks against their investigation. Just becasue the defense “says it”, being anything, does not make it true. I have found that not only in this murder case, but many others, that the defene always comes out swinging in the press when I think they should only come out swinging at trial. I think the professional thing to do is to not respond to any media questions and reserve their opinions, etc. at trial. Other defense attorney’s have done it, why not them.
Furthemore, the defense are the ones tainting the jury pool.
Hi Bees, I get what you are saying regarding the blogs. But in reality how many people are there in the world OR Florida whoe get the news about this case from the media and NOT reading every single doc dump and talk about it as we do. 1% of the population of the world/US? 10% or Florida? Not everyone is blogging about this case or even reading it online. AND for those of us incessently follwing this case, and I mean incessently in a nice way (LOL!) are doing so because the Florida Sunshine Law has allowed us to privvy of the investigative documents and interviewspertaining to this case. We know not every single things released to the public will be entered or allowed to be entered at trial. And are smart enough to know, even though some, and I won’t mention names (and I do not mean you, Yo hola) think that is lost on those of us who have read all the docs and find Casey to be guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Quote judypc, “How many people set in the jail that could really use a lawyer, and can’t get even ONE of these lawyers to say squat to them, yet they pile on top of one another to get this child killer off.”
Very true. Their motive for jumping on the band wagon in this circus is transparent. Fame. Nothing more, nothing less.
I recently read an article about Cheney Mason working with a team of pro bono attorneys to free an innocent man. It wasn’t a high profile case. I say good for him. I respect him for that.
But this case sickens me. Every one of these attorneys are snakes in the grass. Yes, yo-yo halo. That is my opinion and my offering of my opinion is protected under the first ammendment.
Bees knees, the comb over!!!! Hurricane season is upon us. Maybe they can schedule their next presser outdoors. Remember when Baez called a presser and stood on the side of the road, cars were honking, all you could hear was the woosh of cars speeding by. Mr. Baez was flustered, but he learned his lesson. Note to self; location, location, location!!!!!
This is a comment that sums up our frustrations. It’s from a regular at Hinky’s, Bob (link below).
Bob said: { Sep 14, 2010 – 08:09:29 }
Hi,
I think it’s absolutely ridiculous to call a press conference to “Introduce” Casey’s new Defense Team Members!
They are acting as though Casey is some sort of wrongly accused famous celebrity!
She’s an unknown brat sociopath who murdered her daughter and lied about it! PERIOD!
Baez is a snake in the grass attorney who has continuously complained about media coverage yet is constantly on television and talking to the media! I think it’s disgusting they are trying to free an obviously guilty pathological lying brat who committed murder!
She being represented for free and if I, GOD Forbid, should ever need counsel I damn well better get the same free representation as this lying bitch! I am absolutely disgusted and I hope she gets the chair! I prefer hanging! They have accused innocent people, degraded law enforcement, and belittled media reporters. They are the most despicable attorneys I have ever had the misfortune of listening to. And Baez is an idiot who will never be the caliber of attorney he already thinks he is!
Casey Anthony IS Guilty Of Murdering Her Daughter Caylee. This Press Conference, And The Attorneys Involved Are Despicable!
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http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/09/14/miscellaneous-topics-on-the-caylee-marie-anthony-case-%e2%80%93-part-36/#comment-70438
You are absolutley right, Judy!
Right on, Bob, right on.
Haven’t been over to Hinkey’s yet today…
Thanks Bees. And how are ya?
Well — the prosecution can hold press conferences if they choose…but why? The doc dumps are something that I find peculiar and raises the curiosity to a bizarre degree … again,since there is so much interest in this case — what was out of line with the defense team introducing a new member? If everything was “hush hush” — far too much speculation would occur … in any event. There is a new attorney. The case will not be heard for a year and that’s that.
Yo Hola, the STATE CANNOT hold press conferences about the case. The STATE has addressed Baez in Court & in Motions stopping short of calling him a LIAR! The release of information, which the moronic Baez blames on the STATE, LOL, is the SUNSHINE LAW, it is NOT that the STATE “polluting the jury pools,” it’s the Fla. Law. This incompetence stated again & again by Baez makes me sick. He has been called Incompetent & a Liar by his peers, today was ALMOST as bad as the “Hispanic News Conference he called for himself claiming to be the 1st Hispanic Lawyer to handle a High Profile Case,” MORON, he was quickly “called out for that lie.”
The opinion of the Attorney’s on IN SESSION & those visiting, ALL agree that Attorney’s “flock to high profile cases for many reasons, the #1 reason was Publicity.” Well Dumb/Dumber delivered Sim’s free PUBLICITY today, while Judge S sits back & laughs at the fools just like most of us that have followed High Profile for years.
There was no news today, the Circus remains as unprofessional as they have been since the case started, they provided entertainment, lol, to most of us.
Gosh Bob, I second that emotion!
The duh-fense must be terrified if they feel their case is going to need THAT MANY attorneys to defend her!!! They know their goose is cooked and are getting ready to fight to save her life.
Here’s a list of casey’s lawyers/experts so far. Don’t forget we have eight more months and this list will change again. At least once, likely more.
This list was compiled by Maura:
Jose Baez – primary
Michael Walsh – appeal lawyer, short-term for bond appeal
Jonathan Kasen – Civil lawyer, (withdrawing?)
Terance Lenamon – DP-qualified, short-term for anti-DP argument
Linda Kenney Baden – forensics expert
Todd Macaluso – cross-examination specialist, forced to withdraw
Andrea Lyon – DP-qualified, withdrew
Cheney Mason – DP-qualified, replaced Andrea Lyon
Dorothy Sims – cross examination specialist, replacing Macaluso or Baden?
New DP lawyer
New civil lawyer on her visitor logs jose garcia is down as “attorney visit” and he’s long gone . i guess it’s gabriel adam that shows up in the back chairs in court these days.
and in addition to all of the lawyers, kc has also had :
P.I.—–dominic casey
P.I.—–mortimer smith
P.I —–jeremy lyons
mitigation specialist—-jeanene barrett
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/09/14/miscellaneous-topics-on-the-caylee-marie-anthony-case-%e2%80%93-part-36/#comment-70463
Fresh BLINK ~
Caylee/Casey Anthony Case Breaking News: Rumors That Roy Black Joins Forces With Jose Baez False
http://blinkoncrime.com/
“What was expected to be announced at the 9am scheduled press conference this morning, that Roy Black, of William Kennedy Smith and Rush Limbaugh acquittal-fame, had signed on to join the defense team representing Casey Anthony in the charges against her for allegedly murdering her 34 month old daughter Caylee Marie Anthony was apparently a false rumor.
Sources inside the case have confirmed to blinkoncrime.com that the rumor started from within The Baez Law Firm.”
HA HA HA HA HA!!!!
BEES KNEES, thanks for sharing all the “scoop” & it is interesting to see all the participants in the “Circus.” I was really surprised that Roy Black would have considered joining this team,” I would think he would have enough paying clients. I continue to be amazed at the attorney’s willing to attach themselves to this case, but, in the case of Sim’s, this may garner her new client’s depending on how she does in trial as she does seem to have “unique skills.”
I don’t know how they are going to get KC to appear “sympathetic,” she doesn’t project loving nor is she a likable client nor is she capable of “hiding her anger as she did at Ashton talking about Caylee’s last moments.”
I can’t wait to hear about the 31 days, the bumping/grinding at Fusion while KC was conducting her own investigation, Zanny, wonder which attorney will have the pleasure of “making this up during closing arguments, since KC isn’t testifying & no one can testify for her.”
I hope seamusoreilly will analyze this press release. With the defense running into problems with money and deadlines/time what possessed them to have a press conference just to say they’ve reeled in a couple more fish that are willing to lie in order to save the baby-killer? What a waste. Lots of hot air while they blow rainbow coloured smoke up each others asses and acknowledge each other’s wonderfullness. GAH!!!! Enough to make you toss your cookies.
Hal Boedeker ask:
Casey Anthony: Does it help that her new lawyer doesn’t own a TV?
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/
BEES KNEES:
JUNK SCIENCE?
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/09/junk-science.html
here ya go, Bee’s
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/09/cheney-mason-statements.html
lol @ art – we won’t see Bee’s for a bit now
LindaNewYork, I am surprised that IN SESSION is not covering the “murders of Dr. Petit’s wife & 2 daughter’s.” That is a “huge case,” I have been waiting for Dr. Petit to get JUSTICE for his family.
The interesting thing in the Petit Case is that the two scumbag career criminals both ask for a PLEA of “LWOP,” the STATE ask Dr. Petit if that was acceptable to him, he refused, & they are now “looking at the death penalty.” It was such a heinous crime against innocence, I am disappointed IN SESSION isn’t covering it although CNN did report on it on JVM yesterday.
IN SESSION said they were “going to carry KC’s case” next May 2011.
IMO, Simms is likeable. She comes across as genuine. Unlike he-man Andrea Lyon, smirking Baez and blowhard Cheney. I’m not surprised that Baez is happy.
The lies!!!! Lies!!! LIES!!!
Maybe people need to start gathering outside these media events with huge posterboards of Caylee around their necks. Maybe a nice before and after pic showing what her tiny skull looked like by the time she was found. Introduce a much-needed DESPERATE INJECTION OF TRUTH into this case. It’s not a social event to introduce these soul-sucking goofs to the nation, which is what they are doing. I expected a tray of cheese and fancy crackers to circulate around the room at any point.
THANK YOU for those links!
I was going to mention that I was wondering if seamus was going to write an analisys on today’s latest! And there ya go! Gotta go read.
Bees, “rainbow colored smoke” hehe
Hi KIM!
art, it’s about time those scums who murdered the Petit family are on trial. I think InSession showed some of it. It was in NY Post today. Truly heartbreaking.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/connecticut_doctor_whose_family_eWPz3N9foeiSbXiWwlizKJ
Gotta check out Hal too.
Nosy, out of all the members of the Casey cheerleaders, I agree she comes off as the most likeable one.
Hi Kim! What did you make of the Three Muskateers today? Me, I don’t like any of them. Not even the new one ~ no matter how shiny-happy her face was.
This is what I want to know:
1. How many parents kill their own children each year in the United States?
2. How many of them have well known attorneys falling over each other to work for free
Those questions were raised on seamus’ blog.
I love this song. I love how talented these guys are. This song is so spiritual to me. I cry when I hear it and when I watch them. Of course, I’ve always been in love with l
LEONARD COHEN.
If the scum who raped and murdererd of Dr. Willam Petit’s wife and two daughters are not a death pentalty case then I don’t know what is. It is a case like this that brings to mind why death could be the only punishment.
Oh, maybe a mother who murders her daughter should get the same.
Hi Bee’s!! I just got back from vacation so work was crazy busy and I missed them – oh well….
Don’t worry, Kim. You didn’t miss a thing! Welcome back.
Thanks! That was one vacation I never want to do again!!
MEDIA Whore Baez is on JVM, this “only after he called the News Conference from this morning!”
Baez LOVES JVM, she gives him an “open microphone to spew propaganda!” He is whining about “unlimited resources of the STATE” but this is the case he wanted. He is whining about ALL the discovery, DOC Dumps. LOL! He is boasting about his experience! Gotta love it! Tony L.’s attorney is on too, William Jay, he predicts Tony will testify as to the FACTS in the case as well as “testify in the Penalty Phase.” YEP! Looks like the STATE is going to show just how much work KC did on her own investigation looking for Caylee & how much she didn’t give a rat’s ass about her!
Kim, I wondered where you have been so I am glad to see you had a little vacation. Good for you.
NosyParker, I am going to check out your song!
LindaNewYork, thanks for the link on the Petit Murders. I heard he testified today.
BEES KNEES: I agree with other’s, I am not going to say “I like Sim’s,” I am going to say “she is the least offensive!” LOL!
Valhal, Hinky Meter said: HOW MANY LAWYERS DOES IT TAKE…..
…to get a self-absorbed, pathologically lying mother who had a 2 year old daughter missing (that should read dead) for 31 days (by her own account) without reporting her missing but instead telling everyone and their dog she was with a non-existent nanny at the beach, Busch Gardens, Universal Studios and having the time of her life, while at the same time driving around with a decomposing body that happened to have mitochondrial DNA that matches said missing (dead) child in her trunk off of murder charges for same dead child?
ANSWER: Nobody knows yet, but we’re definitely going to need a bigger boat.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
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Great commentary as always by Valhall!
I’m not gonna watch that press conference. That’s what I have you guys for! It’s like having to watch someone commit suicide. There’s no need for them to announce these attorneys to the world. It just makes Casey’s defense look all the more bad. That at such a late date they’re retooling their team AGAIN, after already retooling several times previously. They may as well just stand in front of the news cameras with a big poster with the words painted on it “WE HAVE NO DEFENSE!! – These people MIGHT help us or they will leave after a few months like every other attorney has!”.
They really should’ve just done a written press release if they felt it was necessary to inform the public. We don’t need to see what they look like.
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This is just my opinion but, to keep adding all these new lawyers tells me jokin jose and micky mouse mason do not think they have the stuff to win.
For all their bragging they show they are weak.
WooBabie, you were smart to “ignore the Ringmaster & his Circus yesterday.” I watched, the smirking & the grin’s were nauseas, they are not even “convincing to themselves when they boast of KC’s innocence.” Same ole circus, same ole propaganda, 1st in the installment to Sim’s, imo, of the publicity she was promised! She even got to mention she had written a book, just like Lyon’s got to parade herself on National TV to promote her book & say a word or two about the case as well a LK Baden did with her new book & a word or two about the case.
judypc, I agree, no matter who Dumb & Dumber “parade to the cameras or call news conferences,, even if they had Allen Derchowitz,” it does not make KC “not guilty of the murder of her child.” The facts of the case won’t change, obviously, only the player’s brought in to boast of KC’s innocence which is laughable.
Sorry to say — I thought the conference/announcement was fine.
I think it would be fine too, when the same thing happens for every other inmate sitting in the OC correctional facility. Not only is Casey not special, she has already gotten way more than she should have. She should be sitting there with a public defender, but instead she sits there with a high priced team of lawyers with stars in their eyes.
And yes, you would think it was fine.
So you think more lawyers=less guilty? haha
Now, WHO is bringing more “publicity” to the case? Casey’s snacks? The bloggers? The media?
As far as pro-bono…it is who needs to sell a book. I highly doubt Sims is doing this out of the goodmess of her heart. She DID mention her book at the show..oops, I mean press conference.
Anyone else notice that Jose said the NEW DP attorney is “second to none”. Not even Andrea Lyons?
I think that maybe our roll in this is to keep the focus on Caylee. The defense and the anthonys are trying desperately to make it about casey. She is NOT the victim. Caylee is the victim. Can we try to keep the focus there? Don’t allow shows like JVM to make it about Bozo and casey.
When we feel compelled to be heard more than on the blogs, what about contacting these huge shows with their huge budgets to correct them when they try to spin credibility with Bozo and help him contaminate the jury pool any longer with blatant lies, or put the focus on casey? I’m in complete agreement about not contacting any of LE or the experts, lawyers, etc. ~ their time is valuable and we do not want to do even the tiniest thing to rock the boat, I agree) but I do think it’s good to let these huge corporations (ABC/Disney, Nancy Grace, JVM . . . ) know where we stand and they should stop insulting our intelligence. What do you guys think about that? I think we are all completely fed up with them and their tired old song about casey’s innocence. She is NOT innocent and she is NOT the victim so they need to quit shoving it down our throats cause we’ve had enough and it’s making us sick. That’s my opinion anyway.
Hi Bees, I LIKE your opinions!!!
Hi amazed. We posted at the same time!
art tart said, on September 15, 2010 at 10:12 am WooBabie, you were smart to “ignore the Ringmaster & his Circus yesterday.” I watched, the smirking & the grin’s were nauseas, they are not even “convincing to themselves when they boast of KC’s innocence.”
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I agree art tart. I kept expecting a caterer to arrive and hand out snick-snacks and champagne to toast the newest contestant in some TV game show. That’s why we have to keep bringing it back to Caylee. They are trying to erase her from our minds just like casey did. It’s not working. People are getting more and more frustrated with all of the lies. It’s insulting at this point that they are STILL expecting anyone to believe casey isn’t a baby-killer.
Hi All!
Bees~I love your idea! That is a great way to have our voices be heard without “inserting” ourselves into the case. MOST of the local stations try to be balanced in their reporting of this case. I know all the defense sympathizers think otherwise because of the sheer volume of negative publicity but what can be done about that? KC is the one who gave them all the material for their stories. Stupid girl.
I just wish we would never hear another stinking thing from the defense or the Anthony’s UNTIL the trial and ONLY in the courtroom for pre-trial crap/status hearings. In fact, that is the ONLYt time anything should be heard from those clowns.
Thanks Sunny. And the thing is, we (bloggers) know more about this case than the media does anyway. I’m always hearing them make mistakes. They can take our heat and at the very least maybe they will provide us with some balanced and responsible reporting rather than it always being about the poor baby-killer. How many times have we heard Bozo snivelling about his girl being treated oh-so-badly by the big bad bloggers and the mean media? Boo-f*cking-hoo! Without exaggerating I bet I’ve heard him say that at least one hundred times in the past two years.
I agree, Linda. It would be great if they would shut up until the trial but they absolutely will not unless the court could rule on it, I think.
I’m sure you guys have already seen this article but I’m going to include the link here just in case somebody hasn’t read it yet. It’s classic Hinky and like fine wine it grows better with age. Right now is a great time to read or re-read it.
200,031 Reasons I believe Casey is Guilty
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/09/15/200031-reasons-i-believe-casey-is-guilty/#comment-70798
JVM and NG are the worst. NG was on The View yesterday and she gave out mis-information on the case. I would have to go back and watch it again to see what is was (puke), I stopped watching NG after the MJ marathon. I have never heard Kathi B do that but I wouldn’t be surprised. They twist the story to get the most drama and in most cases they ARE giving the perp too much attention. I was very sad to read RH’s blog how they\WFTV took the story about the teen falsly accused of kidnapping and twisted it all around to make the boy look bad. I stopped watching her and BS after that. I do love how she gets under the defense’s skin. And didn’t she look great yesterday?
been out most of the day ——–but — I must ask, why a number of you don’t like NG or JVB (actually I don:t — have’t tuned them in for knows how long ) and find this case ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ why Oh why do tiy conrtinue to blog???
been out most of the day ——–but — I must ask, why a number of you don’t like NG or JVB (actually I don:t — have’t tuned them in for knows how long ) and find this case ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ why Oh why do you continue to blog???
Yo — Yo =—–Yo and follow the case ?????????
Hey friends, hope all are well this evening. I have enjoyed reading all the comments.
MR. SHEAFFER GIVES ANALYSIS! T H A N K YOU MR. SHEAFFER!
Excellent commentary as always, he weighs in on the PRESSER & the AIR SAMPLES~!~
http://www.wftv.com/video/25008726/index.html
Mr.Sheaffer said “that when an attorney takes a case like KC’s, that case will be attached to the Attorney the rest of their career!” He said the Attorney’s will live with this case the next 20 years, “APPELLATE LAWYERS will ATTACK the current attorney’s, they will say had the Defense Team been “Competent” KC wouldn’t have been convicted.” (It’s business, it’s what Criminal Defense Att.’s do, but this team will forever have to defend themselves, forever!) Mr. Sheaffer said they will be “attacked professionally!”
SO! KC’s next APPELATE Attorney’s will blame this Defense Team, there is certainly a lot of room for Baez being called incompetent, imo, HE IS~!~
He also discusses WHY attorney’s sign on to these cases!
Video Report for the “Hunt for the Juror!” The report points out what an “inconvenience it will be to the jurors, no TV, no newspaper, no family for a long trial. An analyst is predicting the jury could be made up of a lot of “retiree’s.” Interesting!
[video src="http://www.cfnews13.com/video?clip=http://static.cfnews13.com/newsvideo/cfn/0915CAJurySelection_091520100522.flv" /]
And speaking of the jurors….Does anyone else live in the area? Ms. Sims advertises on local channels looking for persons who have been denied Social Security disability and the like. I really don’t know anything about her, but if I was on a jury and she was questioning Dr. G about the accuracy of her findings, I know who I would be more likely to believe or put trust in. This should be interesting.
Oh, and by the way-I have my hand up to be called for this jury! I’m not retired, but I do get administrative leave and my family will survive for a while without me!
Silverbullit, I wonder where they are going to bring the jury in from? I know Baez had made it clearly known he would love a “Miami jury,” but I haven’t heard anything in awhile. It will be interesting, they will be picking a jury from another city, then bringing them to Orlando for the trial. Judge P is not going to announce where the jury will be selected from or give much information out, not even to media, until nearly trial date.
It will be interesting!
The clock is ticking. It seems like it’s been ten years instead of two waiting for this trial to start.
Art~I haven’t seen anything from the defense that makes me worried about KC getting convicted so I don’t think it matters where the jury comes from. I live on the West coast so I am far removed from this case. I’ve asked people in the town I live in if they follow this case or even know of it and none have said yes. LOL But when I give them a couple of clues like 31 days, damn car smells like a dead body, skeletal remains found down the street from grandparents home, then they will say “Oh yeah!, didn’t she get the DP already?” I swear that’s what they say. It will be hard to find a jury in Timbuktu who hasn’t heard of Inmate Casey Anthony.
?~No one cares about that stupid crap, so no one comments on it. Maybe you should email Craig with your concerns.
Do not under estimate Ms. Sims, she knows her stuff. I have seen her in action, she may come off as soft spoken but there is iron in that backbone.
Why is there personal information about someone posted on here? Do they have something to do with the case? Who are they?
Good morning peeps.
Finally listened to B. Scheaffer and Kathi B earlier. Interesting that he is saying basiclly the defense, because they will attack the whole decomp smell, tells me just how important the smell of decomp will be in this trial. They will fight hard to get it out and if not Sims will attack it as junk science (if I understood that correctly). Also even thougth it is a given that if the sentnce is DP it will be appealed, it sounds like from what BS is saying it will appealed anyway even if she gets LWOP and the appellate judges will say incompetence on the attorney’s part. But maybe not. Almost everyone who gets convicted of murder will say OK, lemme try again…”waaa my attorney’s sucked”! haha
As far as a jury, well this case IS in “heaven’s waiting room” (sorry-friends joke when their parents and and grandparents have retired to Florida-although via Facbook I see a lot NY high school classmates and 2 of my best friends have made their homes there!) so wouldn’t be surprised if the jury contained retiree’s. But this is not the first, or will be the last that a jury is sequestered.
Also, as Silverbullit mentioned, Jose had seemed hell bent on trying it in Miami (or getting juror’s from there) and I kinda felt he wants that because of a Hispanic population–becasue he has said “he is the first Hispanic attorney to try a high profile case! haha (correct me if I am wrong on the population of Miami and his saying that).
Some companies pay you full salary for doing your civic duty. Here in NY they paid something cheap like 15/day. I served on Grand Jury which lasted about 6-8 weeks, Mom-Tues-Wed. Luckily my company paid my full salary. Some companies don’t. Also, the mean lady runnng the thing, prior to be being chosen for GJ or other trials said “no excuses”. Most people cannot afford to lose their salary. Mothers cannot be away from their children. Yeah, I think picking a jury will take more than a week.
For Grand Jury, your name was literally pulled out of a hat. I can’t win a prize but of course my name was picked! It was very interesting and I probably didn’t mind it as much coz my company paid me. And I took it seriously. It’s almost a min trial-DA presenting their case with some winesses and based on their evidence a vote is taken to indict. ~In fact we indicted a ham sandwchich~ LOL! LOL!-couldn’t resist !
Another time there were two cases where a jury was being picked. One was for a car accident and when I got on the stand and was questioned, I was asked if I ever sued an insurance company and I did, coz of a car accident where I was injured so I was dismissed. The other was for a robbery. My grandmother, while living in the Bronx was the victim of a home invasion, I knew someone who was killed during robbery when I was a teenager and my parents house was robbed when I was 11, so didn’t get picked for that either. I am sure not many potential juror’s have been victims of a loved one being murdered.
Sunny, it DOES seem like ten years. And I don’t know anyone who has followed this case like I have. If I mention it to my husband he’s like “it’s SITLL going on!?”. Yes, he thinks I am obsessed and rolls his eyes.
Hi stormy, I am sure Ms. Sim’s knows her stuff! I doubt she would have joined if she did not feel confident she could try to dispute some evidence.
As far as that Bald person…Could be from that horrible BAB blog. I don’t know. I think I will send Craig, the moderator an e-mail to get that info off. I wouldn;t want my personla info made public. It is just not right to post someones name, etc.
That person has been removed. Please email me directly when you see an issue: craig.mazer@wftv.com
Thanks all!
I too am surprised that in session is not covering the Pettit case, but perhaps Mr. Pettit does not want his family sensationalized. I think I may have spelled the name wrong. I am hoping the case in Illinois where the husband killed the family for the Florida club hostess gets televised. His first name is Chris, can’t think of the last right now, it’s been postponed and is due to start beginning of 2011. Don’t have time to go back and look up his name right n Will do so later.
Linda, it’s not anyone from bald, it came from one of two other places I won’t mention. It was someone who did comment at bald, but left a week ago to befriend ss.
Morning Friends, great comments.
Hal Boedeker is reporting Morgan’s firm to depose Robyn Adams & VIDEO it! I guess we will see it!
S E C R E T Recording of Gas Can George that Mason is claiming may help the Defense? LOL! The Defense can’t have it both ways, imo, I think the Defense will try to “discredit GA,” they won’t be hard as I feel he is the weakest link, but he may come off as “unstable, suicide attempt, etc.” Probably more of GA whining what a great mother KC was & she wouldn’t hurt Caylee.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/?p=21145
Humbleopinion has the “secret tapes,” LOL, guess they were only a SECRET to the Defense since they hadn’t heard them.
I am going to listen to them now.
http://humbleopinionforum.net/2010/09/16/mason-says-there-is-a-secret-audio-of-george-anthony-here-is-the-secret-tapes/
I’m not worried about Sims. Almost every person to join the defense so far ends up looking like a fool and doing damage to their credibility. Nothing special about her. Let’s just see what karma does to this freshest defender of the white-trash, skanky, liar Caylee-killer. Let’s make sure we always redirect the focus back to little Caylee. She is the victim, not sleazy strumpet. Nothing special about her either.
Art tart, look at all the juicy-looking links you left! Checking them out . . .
PS: Nice to see you’re still watching out for us Craig! What are the chances of adding a new page to this article as the bog time is slow again?
Did I miss something?
I’m listening to the “secret” recordings, and so far nothing has jumped out, IMO, that the defense could use.
mixologist, the NEW SECRET TAPES are just “new to Mason,” LOL! Seems he isn’t up on the case still. In case you missed it, I posted a link yesterday to Mr. Sheaffer’s analysis on the News Conference, it was interesting, he talked about the “air samples, etc.”
BEES KNEES, morning friend. I have been LMAO reading at Val’s, she’s just too entertaining, bringing light humor to the ridiculous “player’s in Caylee’s Murder Case,” can’t wait for the verdict, sooner I hope rather than later.
There is a predicted “Frye Hearing over Dr. Vass’ report.” I don’t get it legally, the Defense wants to argue to keep out the “air testing report” in Court, but hell, there WAS a decomposing tiny body that rode around in KC’s trunk for approximatively 2.5 days, as Valhal said this time amount was concluded with many factors considered. The trunk STUNK, bodily fluids do that when we die, even IF the Defense was sucessful in keeping out the report, GA, Simon Burch (towing company), Melich also thought the trunk smelled of DECOMP! They won’t be able to keep that testimony out. THEN! There is the hair with the “deathband” that was in the trunk, DUH! There was a dead body in that trunk, WHY does the Defense think the Jury will be so stupid? They underestimate “common sense of reasonable people.”
Dr. Vass/Frye Hearing/Air Sample Testing!
Sunny re-posted this link at Valhall’s/Hinky Meter today, I thought I would share it here as it will be “important in the argument of MOTIONS done by LK Baden.” This is a BIG Deal to the defense, Mr. Sheaffer said “because the testing has never been used in Fla. Court doesn’t mean it won’t.”
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/06/02/concerning-the-junk-science-argument-against-vasss-work/
Oh, hi amazed. I e-mailed Craig and he said he removed and blocked whoever it was. No need for that here!
InSession did mention briefly about the Petit case…Been reading about it in the NY Post and Daily news. That is just a horror and the freakin defense attorney while question a police officer is basically saying ..Oh it is your fault coz you took too long to get there???!!! (somehting to that effect) Unbelievable!
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OK, off to listen to the “secret tapes” and Hinkey.
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Thanks Craig for removing the trash!
Art! SECRET TAPES?!? Ha ha ha ha ha . . . another knee-slapper from the brilliant defense! Snort! It reminds me of when Conway declared there was no duct tape on Caylee’s skull!!! . . . ummmmm, riiiiight . . . are we all discussing the same case here? As Bugs would say, “Maroons!”
Why do they continually insist on offending us? Like, what is going through their heads when they plan a press CONFERENCE just to introduce a few more liars to the team? And the newest liar wouldn’t say anything anyway. LOL!!! Why schedule a press conference only to repeat over and over she “would not discuss that,” “no, she would not say,” she would not discuss that” . . . Well, why the hell are you there? All of them all puffed-up with smug, self-importance and hot air. What the hell do they think they have that makes them look so entitled???
I know what you mean about Hinky’s ~ I’m still reading articles there that I’ve missed and also re-reading others. They are well worth reading more than once. The amount of work she’s put into that blog ~ WOW!!!
One thing for sure, defenses attorneys sometimes earn the reputations they have because of choices they make. Everyone IS entitled to a fair trial and the assurance that they get their rights under the Constitution, but the truth is, if Cindy Anthony did not go on a media campaign, and if Casey came from a poor family, she would not be getting the defense she is getting now. If I ever were in serious trouble I would not pick one of these star attorneys, they are in it for themselves only.
You got that right, amazed. I truly beleive these attorneys are in it for nothing but themselves and certainly not because they believe in justice for an innocent client. They are looking for fame, fortune and to see book. Sims has a book, I think A Lyons has a book, Linda Kenney-Baden has her book (with ther husband).
You are further right, that if she were poor no attorney would be chopping at the bits to represent her.
amazed, regarding earlier with what a commenter calling him/herself bald wrote, when clicked on it went back to that site. I am not up on the who is who’s stealing gravatars and now I am being picked on by that site as having my head up my a$$ and someone is commenting under LindaNYneedshelp, all because I had the audacity to believe the offensive comments came from that site. If someone is playing games, and I don’t really care who it is (LOL!) I wish it wouldn’t thave been done here. Now I get to have my name dragged through that mud. UGH!
Rise above it Linda. Take the high road and don’t even bother to play into any BS. There will always be sh*t-disturbers on unmoderated blogs but they way they act shows them for what they are. If you don’t respond they will give up and move along.
Has anyone heard of any up and coming doc dumps? I’ve been hoping maybe tomorrow since they love Fridays so well.
Hey friends, hope all is well this evening.
BEES KNEES, we should be getting a DOC DUMP I think next week. It will possibly include the 400 pages that LD Burdick located on Yuri’s lap top in addition to “who knows what else!” The DEFENSE is boasting the information helps the defense, but, let’s face, nothing can help KC’s defense.
M NeJames & T Miller were on JVM today. JVM mentioned NeJames’ comment about calling Baez incompetent & NeJames explained the situation. LOL! JVM ask about Kronk & said she thought L Padilla had said “Kronk had inside information.” NeJames quickly cleared that up too saying L Padilla is usually wrong about his predictions & that before he gave Kronk the $5,000.00 he also vetted Kronk. In M NeJames’ opinion, Kronk has done nothing wrong & thanks to Kronk Caylee was found. I think the only thing poor Kronk is guilty of is being a “little goofy” which isn’t a crime that I know of. LOL!
I keep hearing each week that there will be a doc dump “next week”! I wonder how long the defense has before they have to release it. I know that when the State has discovery, it has 15 days to give it to the defense. Perhaps it is the same and is why people keep predicting it to be very soon.
No one is going to be able to challenge Dr. G on much. They can’t challenge the ruling of “homicide” (a killing caused by another human accidental or intentional) and they can’t challenge “by undetermined means”. There were only bare bones and hair left of Caylee. Dot just isn’t going to be productive in the grand scheme of the trial. Casey’s stacked the odds against herself so high with her Nanny story and plethora of lies, attacking forensic evidence just isn’t gonna make up for that.
Let me go find my violin.
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art, Bess, and Woo, I am waiting patiently for a doc dump too since LDB mentioned it at last status hearing.
And by the way those “secret tapes” I listned to at Humble are no secret to us, at least. Those (and I think the transcripts) were released, as humble said April ’09. Maybe the defense should hire a doc dump expert to read what bloggers and us commenters have read since the doc dumps started being release long ago. They might learn something!
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Unfortunately Bees, I didn’t rise above it and regret that I did not take yours and my own advice. Oh well, time to move on….
WooBabie, I agree, they won’t be able to challenge Dr. G much, she is fantastic, I watched some of one of her shows last night. I do think the DEFENSE will harp on “they don’t even know how she died mantra.” It’s about all they can do, as Bill Sheaffer said & we all say here, “you can’t change the facts, they are what they are.” KC can add 5 more attorney’s to the “gaggle of attorney’s she now has,” it doesn’t make her “not guilty of Caylee’s murder.” imo, the crime scene photos for the jury will be “chilling of Caylee’s little skull w/some hair, pictures of duct tape still in the hair. Will all those photos get in? Too prejudicial? It would seem at least a few would be allowed as it was “how Caylee was found.”
LindaNewYork, I hope you survived the “Tornado.” I live in the South so we have them periodically, but they are pretty frightening, it really makes you realize “how little you are in control of.” LOL!
Too funny about the “Secret Tapes,” guess the only one they were a Secret from was Mason because he forgot to listen to them. What a nut job.
Hi art. Ya know, I saw somethin flashing across the TV screen yesterday about a tornado. I am not in OZ so I guess it didn;t hit here!!!
Yes, Bill was right on in stating you can’t change the facts, they are what they are. she could have 50 more attorney’s and there would STILL be no Nanny that took Caylee and all the evidence, circumstantial or otherwise would STILL point to Casey and only Casey.
art tart, are you serious? Is there really a possibility that those photos of Caylee’s skull might be too prejudicial??? You’re joking right? I’m horrified that you might actually mean it. If that is the case . . . I am (finally) speechless.
Those crime scene/autopsy photo’s absolutely will be presented at trial. They always are. However, newspapers do/will not print and televised trials will either blot out or not go near the photo’s. It could not be prejudicial to the murderer coz that is how the murdered person was found!
How are ya today Bees? Ok here,
Remember when Bill S. said Leghorn was a “game-changer?”
Well, I have seen an older interview where he seemed to know what he was doing (he was at least able to articulate and communicate clearly) but from everything we’ve seen of him since, he is a total CREEP. He is BAD-MANNERED, INSULTING, and ABUSIVE. His APPALLING and IMMATURE RUDENESS to Kathi B. reminds me of a schoolyard bully, so threatened by her that he has to act out like a mouthy 10-year-old BRAT!!! I am so amazed that a professional would reveal such an ugly, rude, immature and threatened side of themselves to the public. Doesn’t he know better? Or can he not control his temper? Puzzling.
I wonder if he’ll even be able to enjoy his golden years and a wonderful retirement after revealing what he’s REALLY like underneath that good-old-boy, southern gentleman ruse. I wonder if the case will eat away at him for the rest of his life so that he never has a moment’s inner peace again. Does anyone know if he has granddaughters? I am seriously puzzled. I would love it if Mr. Sheaffer (are you reading?) could offer us some kind of insight into Mason’s most shameful behaviour?
Hi Linda! I’m good, how about you? I am grateful that you responded. There have been enough surprises in this case that I actually thought maybe they wouldn’t show the photos. Thank God they do. One photo is worth a thousand words they say.
Linda, art, Woo, Judy ~ are you guys having trouble with the speed here? I am. But not as bad as we’ve seen it before.
Don’t worry Linda. We ALL respond on some days. And every once in a while a blogger will have the same effect on me that bozo, cindy & mason do. What the hell they all feel so entitled about is beyond me. LOL! They are the sorriest, seediest & stupidest (is that a word?) low-classy, lying collection of losers that I can ever remember running across in my 50 years of life. We’ve all seen people like them separately but never as a pack. Scary!
Yeah, I WENT there Bees. Push came to shove and I can’t stop right now.
Oh well. We all have those days.
Well it’s Friday, where are the docs? LOL!
Mason is sure leaving the profession on a sour note, so whatever credibilty he ma have ever had as a good attorney will forever be tarnished.
Yep. A real creep. And how many have we seen so far come and go, they all leave looking worse than they did when they joined, so that’s kind of nice ~ heh heh heh . . . Too bad we couldn’t start some kind of pool trying to guess who the final lawyers will be once the trial begins. The winner could win an all-expenses paid trip to Orlando next spring and a guaranteed seat (on Caylee’s side of the room!!!). LOL! Cheney’s deteriorating so quickly by the time the trial starts I expect him to be 100% incoherent. Won’t that be great for their closing? Nobody will understand a word he’s said! “Ur honah, Mu, amm,r caserh – you can trst me — eer but . . mumble, mumble she — juss tFree ump – er mint umm julep er – – . . . ” By comparison Bozo will sound like a brilliant Harvard graduate. Ha ha ha ha ha . . .
Yes. Here it is, Friday. Nothing to blog about. I did spend some time at Hinky’s re-reading some great older articles. But I think I’ll save my eyesight for reading books this weekend. We’re going to be spending more than enough time staring at our monitors once the trial starts. And I’m still hoping we can go for coffee in your great city someday when we can chew over all the details of this evil case. Have a great NY weekend Linda! You, too, art & Woo, wherever you are!
Before I log off I wanted to leave this link. This one is interesting to read again now that we know (do we?) that they are going after the forensics. Hell, what am I saying? They are going after EVERYTHING!
Decomposition Gases in Casey’s Trunk (Original article posted on March 8, 2010)
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/04/24/decomposition-gases-in-caseys-trunk/
Coffee or drinks it is Bees. Yes, supposed to be a nice NY weekend! I’ve been reading Valhall’s library and great commenteres at misc. thread. Enjoyed the ..How many lawyers does it take post and enjoyed re-reading the 200,031 reasons.
Art Tart –
Yeah, I’m sure Dot will attack the autopsy ruling saying that there is no cause, but Dr. G did rule it a homicide, and if Casey was the last one to be seen with her, she must have done it. Damn that nanny for being so untraceable!
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Hey, Bees –
If you haven’t this article by Val, you must. It’s one of my favorites.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/03/18/todays-hearing-casey-asks-for-her-bloody-black-backpack-back/
And this is a good one to accompany it…
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/04/26/the-backpack/
And yeah, this blog loads slow and the text box is super slow to type in, but I have always typed my comments in Word (on whatever blog I go to) and just paste it into the comment box. I always have Word open when I surf the internet so I can jot down & copy stuff.
I’m way over in Calif. No tornados here, but apparently huge pipeline blasts!
Bees, I tend to think Mason is playing opossum as my daddy use to say, I have watched him some in his Greer case and you see a very different persona.
Art: I think Simms is on board to attack the body farm evidence, the 51 compounds of gasses detected in the car trunk that say decomp, the hair with the death band, and the scent test done that indicate a body was in the trunk.
They are going after the Tennessee test as junk science, Dr. G’s autopsy is fairly straight up and simple, the only point they have to attack is “death by homicide” they will hound her on how she arrived at that conclusion, and her answer will be simple HELLO…. DUCT TAPE around the skull, triple bagged, unaccounted for, huh 31 DAYS.
At trial, I expect defense to swing their case to accidental death, Casey panicked, and was in fear of her mom so she disposed of Caylee.
All of this other nonsense by defense is smoke & mirrors to throw off the State until trial.
There is simply no logical way they can stick to the Zanny the Nanny story, no other logical suspect, their only defense will be to say it was accidental, not pre-meditated murder.
Art ;
About a week ago I posted about the problems in finding a jury, and low and behold Mason is on T.V. moaning about how hard it is gonna be to find a jury of anything but retired folks.
Well, Boo- freakin Hoo.
Maybe the defense should have stayed off the T.V. and not tainted the jury pool, now Deal with it Dude!!
Hi judy. Regarding their swinging the defense to accidental death, panicked, afraid to tell her Mother and the prosecution opening with what I think will be the “Nanny ” story, certainly won’t sit well with a jury. If I were a juror I would be thjinking to myself, OK, then WHY WHY WHY hold on to the Nanny sotry and not tell the police and sit in jail and wait for 2 1/2 years (by the time the trial starts) to tell that story. It’s just riciculous, huh?
While we know already that C,G&Lee are liars, this sure makes them look worse if the defense goes witht that defense since THEY have stuck with Nanny story, the Nanny being (Zenaida, Amy, Jesse, Tony, etc.)
The jury will say pfft..1st degree pre-meditated murder. I think she will get LWOP, although I go back and forth with that and the DP.
I am sure Dr. G did great in her depo and will be great on the stand. I beleive I have watched a show or reads where some juries, when the experts are “arguing” and attacking eachother, the juries just discount that testimony sometimes. I could be wrong about that…
Woobabie, it’s the weekend does that mean you won’t be talking to yourself in the wee hours of the East Coast nights? lol!
Hi Linda. Happy Saturday!
WooBaby, I like your cute, new avatar but I’m trying to figure out the blue in front of her eyes ~ is it some kind of a mask? And THANKS for those links! I actually hadn’t seen them before so I’m really excited to read them now. Isn’t it crazy how Val accomplishes so much? She must only sleep one hour a day. And even then . . . ? So smart!
And, re: tornados, pipeline blasts, etc. ~ it’s true ~ Mother Nature is freaking out!!!
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/09/psychologist-spending-more-time-with-casey-in-jail/
Dr. Gold visited Casey for 5 1/2 hrs on 08/26 and 2 hrs on 08/27. I think that his job is to explain away her 31 days of partying and complete disregard for the fate of her “kidnapped” 2 year old daughter, as seen and heard in the jail visits and phone calls.
Along with all of the circumstantial evidence, Casey’s cold, narcissistic behavior sealed the deal for the public. Her guilt was, and still is, obvious to 99% of the public and IMO will be to a jury of her peers, young, old or in between.
I believe Dorothy Simms was hired to prepare Dr. Gold for his presentation of his findings during the guilt phase, “ugly coping” due to dissociation, delusions, whatever (as long as it’s not sociopath) and cross-examination by the state attorneys. Of course the state will have their own psych experts, who she will attempt to rip apart. What other medical doctors or psychologists testimony is involved, other then Dr. G. whose findings are pretty cut and dried. BTW what happened to Dr. Reich?
Let’s closely look at the claim of only retired folks on a jury…and then call BS on it…
So, then young employed singles couldn’t serve?
Or heck even a married person could not?
Complete and total BS…as they do every day…and are excused from work..
This whole issue of only retired folks is some delusion offered up….and it is total bunk…
In fact, a retired person might have to look after their elderly partner in the evenings, and not be able to go out of their county long before a younger person would have trouble with that.
R.S.
I do believe a large percent of people would claim undo hardship.
Folks could not go a month without their pay-check, with today’s economy people need every dollar.
Also someone with children would have to secure 24/7 child care if they are a single parent.
That leaves us with the ultra rich, the unemployed, and retired folks as the largest pool.
And those folks will as well be faced with dilemma’s as you pointed out, a spouse or parent that needs care,
This will be a hard jury to seat, defense will want men on the jury from their mid 20’s to 50ish, simply because men tend to have a harder time giving a women the D.P.
The state will want mothers and grandmothers, as they will be more inclined to look at Caylee’s death, and Casey’s 31 days of partying and see the red flags.
They will look at their own children and think no way would a mother react like that.
I will be glad when the selection for a jury is done, then we will have a gauge as to what to expect as the verdict.
BTW, Good to see you, been awhile.
RS, anyone can serve that is able to serve that the Defense & State agree on, I think the article was saying that most families, mother’s with small children, professionals with scheduled appointments, might have a conflict for a trial predicted to be over a month long in another city than they live in. The jury it sounds will be sequestered I am assuming, no TV, newspapers, & probably no home visits. Being “excused from work is not a problem,” as an employer can’t hold that against anyone selected for Jury Duty, it is the “lack of payment for the work missed, the STATE pays a certain amount, but the Employer does not have to pay for an employee on Jury duty as the State is paying them a small amount.”
LindaNewYork said her employer paid her which is great, but there is nothing beneficial to any employer to have an employee gone for over a month., sometimes no one to do their job, & in some cases, employer’s may have to get “temporary help” until the employee returns. Some employer’s just can’t afford to pay for work “not performed.” Most people depend on their salaries, all of their salary, & the length of the trial could put some families in “hardship situations,” I don’t know if that is considered an excuse though.
The point of the article was, some seniors, or retirees would have fewer family commitments, job commitments, could locate to another city for over a month easier, & most seniors have a “fixed income,” whether it is social security or some other type of income that is not dependent on them working, easier for them than someone that had small children.
Well you are right, RS, the jury won’t only be made of up of retiree’s. There needs to be on every jury, a sampling of the popualtion reiree’s, young working singles as you said, blue collar, white collar workers
Hi Terrytsk, ugly coping. I don’t think anything, even ugly coping will sit well as an “excuse” for Casey not giving a crap that her daughete was “kidnapped”!
I googled “ugly coping” and the term comes up with Casey Anthony ALL over the place. Did “The Team” coin the phrase?. It’s an absurd term to explain away Casey out parying while her daughter was “supposedley” kindapped/missing/murdered.
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Hi Bees, Happy Saturday to you too. I am tired today after a Happy Friday Night. Dinner and drinks with friends. You mentioned yesterdy about a tornado. Supposedley in Brookly. but they got severe winds/rain and trees knocked over..and heard something about pipeline blasts.
As for Simms, I have to wonder what her thoughts will be once she has seen this case in the bright light.
Thus far she has seen the defense’s distorted view, once she has seen all the evidence presented by the state I have to wonder if she will be as impressed with this case and its ability to taint her thus far good reputation.
She has imo been somewhat suckered in by team Casey, as were others that as we have seen have taken the road out of town so to speak, she may have been swayed by Dr Lee and Linda Baden’s participation in the case ato work with them is quite a coo.
Terrytsk, LOL! I was just about to post that link but scrolled up thread & saw your post. YEP! Must be preparing the skank, wonder if Mason/Baez “suggest to KC what to say in the interviews.” I don’t know what happened to Kathy Riech, guess she has been replaced as I haven’t heard her name since she showed up for a “photo opt,” as Ashton called it at the “Remains site when Caylee was found.”
judypc, I agree, there will be problems selecting the jury as you said last week & Mason said during an interview, just reality. Good point about Sim’s & the body farm, the trial will be interesting to watch, I can’t wait.
We must have been typing our above comments at the same time, LOL! Voir Dire, imo, may be one of the most important parts of this case. Do you believe this can be done in a week as Judge P predicts? I would think not, after all, IF Judge P doesn’t give the Defense the time they want, wouldn’t it be another ground for appeal as the Defense could say they “were rushed & had to settle on jurors that they didn’t want because of time restraints Judge P put on them.”
judypc, I share your thoughts, questions. Did you watch Bill Sheaffer’s analysis? It is interesting the “repercussions” that attorney’s continue to be held accountable once a verdict is returned, the attacks on their character/competence by the Appeal Attorney. Sheaffer said the Attorney will “forever be attached to this case, client, victim.”
LindaNewYork, “Ugly Coping” was not coined by the Defense, but on another case where the woman accused shared a lot of the personality traits as KC, she was tried, convicted, & then the verdict was overturned on appeal.
You probably watched it on Dateline/48 hrs. A young woman w/small children married a military man, I think a Marine, he became sick, died, & it was determined to be “arsenic poisoning.”
She was in bars bumping & grinding, sleeping w/her husband’s friends, had a BOOB job claiming it was what he would have wanted & promised. She received the insurance & military benefits in which she accounted for where the money went. She continued to claim she was innocent, she would never hurt him.
On Appeal, the verdict was overturned & as it turned out, she didn’t murder him. I will look for the episode for you but I bet you saw it.
LindaNewYork, here is the case, “Cynthia Sommers.” Her husband was a Marine, & the 1st official cause of death was “cardiac arrhythmia,” then they did a “heavy metals tests resulting in high levels of arsenic positioning.” He was only 23 yrs. old. She was “convicted.
Her attorney argued on appeal:
Bloom argues Lippert’s testimony, about how Cynthia grieved, opened the door for prosecutors to present all that testimony about Cynthia’s sexual behavior after Todd’s death. And that turned the tide against her. (DOESN’T THIS REMIND YOU KC’S DEFENSE?) Her friends testified that she participated in “wet t-shirt contests but Sommers complained she had on a THONG! She also said “she knew the men she slept with, they were friends of her husband.
Cynthia Sommer filed a $20 million lawsuit against the federal government, NCIS agents and the San Diego District Attorney, among others, alleging her civil rights were violated.
Todd Sommer’s death is still officially listed as a homicide.
The court left open the possibility that Cynthia could be charged again. s of her husband.”
The link to read & video, the video, 1hr. long, explains the Ugly Coping Defense.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/24/48hours/main6429596.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody
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Pertaining to KC’s Case, article plus video:
COULD ACCIDENT EXPLAIN CASEY’s ‘UGLY COPING?’
http://www.wesh.com/r/19317898/detail.html
Art:
No have not seen Bills statement yet, will go have a looky lou.
To have this case tried and to the jury in a week is very lofty expectations indeed.
I would be more inclined to think a week for the state to present it’s case, then a week for defense to rebut, would be more plausible.
And then Judge Perry will have to keep things sharp and moving along.
I understand all the listed witnesses will not be used, but even if half are put on the stand it will be very time consuming due to defenses habit of stand and stutter.
judypc, I loved the gentleman Judge S was, compassionate & fair, but I truly think Judge P is the “right Judge for this case.” Can you just imagine where this case would be with Judge S being in control after the first time we saw that moron Mason perform in his courtroom? You mention that ALL the witnesses will not be used, do you think that the DEFENSE put Mr. Evans, Kronk’s attorney on their witness list just “to make a hardship for Kronk, or do you really think they will call him & for what?” Mr. Evans is really pissed, he will fight them for this stunt.
I love reading your opinions/comments/ on the case as I know you have a legal background & you are always fair to both sides, yet stating your opinion. My background is that I work with special needs kids in the school system & I used to be an artist/sold work when I had time. Now, I just follow this case, LOL, as other high profile, I am trying to follow the murder of Dr. Petit’s family since the trial is now going on & I check in on the Billingsly Murders, which too, were in your State.
judypc & LindaNewYork:
judypc, you mentioned earlier the Defense might try to say it was an accident, LindaNewYork, you mentioned Ugly Coping, this is where the two MAY meet:
The article was titled, UGLY COPING or JUST UGLY!
For those not familiar with the term “ugly coping,” it is a manner of psychological coping with a traumatic incident that is inconsistent with socially acceptable situational behavior. With regard to Casey Anthony, the behavior in question was her boisterous partying and her silence with regard to her daughter’s absence. This copiously documented, through many photos, “ugly coping” that Jose Baez speaks of will be a major problem for his defense. It will be used to show a callous, uncaring, negligent, and excessively narcissistic mother. To counter, therefore, the behaviors become “ugly coping” for the defense.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1709747/casey_anthony_case_can_casey_anthonys.html?cat=62
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Terrytsk had mentioned Dr. Golds’ visits to KC, 5 1/2 hours thus far that we know of, could he be preparing also an “explanation of KC’s ugly coping?”
Art tart it was actually 7 1/2 hrs over a 2 day period. It could mean she may claim an accidental death that left her so guilt ridden and traumatized that she dissociated and created a convoluted delusional system where Caylee was safe and having fun with her rich, beautiful nanny so she felt good about partying her face off, getting Bella Vita tatoo, etc. during that time period. Oops that won’t work. Richard Grund, Cindy and George said she’s been talking about Zanni the nanny for a few years.
Maybe she’ll say she was so traumatized by being pushed down at Blanchard Park when Zanni stole Caylee (to teach her a “lesson”) that she then dissociated and became delusional believing that Caylee was safe and having the time of her life with her nanny and had not really been kidnapped. Oops she said in her letters to Muffin that Zanni didn’t kidnap Caylee.
All I know is, this DT has some sort of a plan and it’s somewhere right in front of us, thanks to the Sunshine Laws. Diversionary tactics, smoke and mirrors.
Judy, “At trial, I expect defense to swing their case to accidental death, Casey panicked, and was in fear of her mom so she disposed of Caylee.”
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Judy, I didn’t realize they could change their defense mid-trial. I’m surprised. If they do though, would casey have to take the stand to testify to an “accidental death?” And if she did she would have to give the facts that corroborate what the State already knows, right? Or, no?
Sorry Judy. I think I misunderstood what you said. I think you mean that the accident theory is the only story they’ll go with when the trial starts. Not change the story in the middle of the trial. LOL! But she still would have to support the evidence the State has, right? And would she have to take the stand?
Hi All!
Art, thanks for expanding on the “ugly coping”, I saw the Somers thing, but did you notice Casey anthony was all over the place. You are much better tan me at finding and highlighting info. I guess I am lazy sometimes LOL!
Bees she would not have to take the stand no matter what defense they decide on.
And unless the state can show a cause of death it would be hard to say other wise.
The hardest hurdle defense has is that niggling little 31number.
How do they get around 31 days?
How do they get around the web of lies?
HOW do they explain 3 layers of duct tape?
Sorry, but ugly coping just does not explain away these three questions imo it is equal to the damn Twinkie defense, a weak excuse for a weak case.
Oh, by the way art, I did see that Cynthia Somers on 48 hours.
WooBabie, I read your links this evening on the “backpack” & the “Bloody backpack,” both excellent articles by Valhall, I am still catching up at her sight. Thanks!
Well – if potentially it was an accident and she ugly coped for a month, why is she choosing to rot in jail for 2 years and never ever showing any emotion or remorse. She would essentially have to say she’s been ugly coping for 2 and a half years, not 31 days. Why hold out for that long, only to turn around and say it was an accident. And I could go on and on as to the reasons. Just think of all the sympathy and attention Casey could have gotten for it being an accident, she would have been in her glory. I don’t think they will go that route at the trial.
And if Judge Perry believes the jury can and should be picked in one week, I believe it will.
I’ve seen a lot of retirees/seniors excused from juries for health problems. Every category of people has their pros and cons.
I don’t think there will be anything highly unusual about picking a jury for this trial. Like JP says, this is “a first degree murder case, like alllll of the other first degree murder cases that go through the court allllll the time”.
Bees –
Here, you can look closer – it’s painted on.
Woo, Di you paint that on? Came out great. She looks soooo cute!
Oh, that’s beautiful. It looks like it was air-brushed on? She IS a cutie-pie.
WooBabie:
Respectfully, an aspect regarding outsourced jurors is not as black /white per your post.
There are variables that can not be known. First and foremost, HJP had this very issue addressed in Orange Cty[excuses from no shows] pursuing outsourced, voir dire, and getting the commitment will be the challenge.
Jurors will more than likely be comprised of senior, retired, furloughed citizens, that said, the 12 plus alternates will be a hurdle simply because impaneled[sequestered demands] six weeks minimum.
Granted the variables will be considered, no doubt. Per your assertion pros/cons.
Bees she would not have to take the stand no matter what defense they decide on.
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Hi Judy! Help! I'm a little confused. Once the trial begins don't they have to stick to one story? Whether it's the Sawgrass Apt. drop-off, or the Blanchard Park kidnapping, or an accidental drowning in the pool etc. etc. ?
So, Baez's opening statements might describe how evil Zanny kidnapped and then murdered Caylee, but then the State shows evidence that there's no such person, casey could not then claim a do-over and say Caylee accidentally drowned. That can't be right. Can you tell I've never watched a court case before? LOL!! Also, are there any circumstances that would put casey on the stand? I thought I’d heard that if she claims an accident she WOULD have to testify, no?
In the past two years I’ve become kind of numb or desensitized to her habitual lying but I listened to a few of the older interviews last week. Holy %#$*@!!! She lies as easily as she breathes.
Craig, I am looking for what I remember was Bill Sheaffers 1st blog. Has it been taken out?
Also, I thought each post had it’s entry date. Is there a change, or am I just behind and lost. Thanks.
I think it said something like “My first attempt at a blog” something like that.
1. kate said, on September 19, 2010 at 4:04 pm
WooBabie:
Respectfully, an aspect regarding outsourced jurors is not as black /white per your post.
There are variables that can not be known. First and foremost, HJP had this very issue addressed in Orange Cty[excuses from no shows] pursuing outsourced, voir dire, and getting the commitment will be the challenge.
Jurors will more than likely be comprised of senior, retired, furloughed citizens, that said, the 12 plus alternates will be a hurdle simply because impaneled[sequestered demands] six weeks minimum.
Granted the variables will be considered, no doubt. Per your assertion pros/cons.
Kate –
Yeah, I know all that.
I’m not exactly sure what I said that you saw as a black/white comment with regards to outsourced juries. I stated that if JP feels a jury can be selected within a week (which he stated at a recent status hearing and the State concurred) then I believe him. I don’t know WHO more involved in this case it could be safe to agree with than the Judge?
Now, if you were to argue that he never said that, then that’s a different story.
Bee’s yes once trial starts they need to stick to one defense, they can not float two or three theories’ as to what happened, but, it must also click with the evidence or the state will nail them but good.
They have to figure out now what course they intend to take, I think we all feel to go with the imaginary nanny would be a foolish move.
Right now it appears that they intend on attacking the forensics, especially that of the Body Farm, but they can very well walk into court and say it was not pre-meditated murder and the states evidence is not going to prove Casey murdered Caylee, and then go into an accidental death defense.
They could then use the “ugly coping” as her explanation for the party girl for 31 days.
I am not 100 percent sure what Florida rules are to then lay a mental defect at this point, going out on a limb here I want to say they must inform the state within 30 days if they intend to use mental defect of any sort, but please do not hold me to that time line as I am unsure.
They will imo try to keep the body farm test out of the trial, and would expect to see a motion soon to attempt to do that, but if they can make the state believe they are looking for the soddit or a straight forensic battle then they can sneak attack the state with walking in and claiming accidental death not premeditated murder.
They have thus far been all over the place, in what has been a huge smoke & mirrors game, I would be willing to bet the defense they walk into court at trial with will not be a imaginary nanny that no one can prove, unless they can produce Zanny in court then they have no bomb shell Perry Mason moment.
But if handled right they could put on a defense of accidental death and if handled decently by someone with some courtroom flair the state would be in for a battle.
We have often questioned the silly motions they have presented, many have made us wonder just what are they doing?
My gut tells me this has often been game playing, allow the state to become over confident, allow them to believe its in the bag, then hit them out of left field with the unexpected.
I do not see Mason as the buffoon he has played since entering this case, Jose’ aside there are some very good lawyers in play and they know how to effect the old bate and switch.
Sorry this post is so long.
Linda and Bees, thanks!! Oh no, I didn’t airbrush her, it was at a kid’s fair at a local park.
Bees,
What you asked Judy about changing stories, look up “Trial by Ambush”.
Oh, oops, I havgen’t read all the comments – she already answered you. Sorry.
WooBabie:
Actually, the variables outlined are just cause. Perhaps you have considered a common thread in Outsourced Juror, notwithstanding selecting locals for a high profile?
1. Juror Consultant will unequivocally factor, in fact the Defense presupposed questionnaire’s. Pro Bono of course 🙂
2. Florida is typically a conservative voting demographic[ percentages of registered voters are Republicans- margin for error is arbitrary via polls.
3. Judge P per Nejames-” does not suffer fools lightly”.
Why I replied to YOUR post~ simply stated, regardless of the quoted statement per Judge P, a week is guardedly optimistic, unexpected diversions par for the course.
However, lest we forget the incumbent agendas for both sides are polar opposite.
The potential for jurors is being misrepresented IMO.
What is to stop a single young person say age 21 to 35 or so from serving? What is the valid reason a single young person who is employed cannot serve?
What is to stop a younger married person without children from serving? What is the valid reason to stop a younger married person who is employed from serving?
What is to stop any one person of a married couple in their 40’s from serving where they have kids in their late teens early 20’s.
Since the trial does not seem to be scheduled for a start till May, what is to stop a college age person, their instructors, High School teachers etc., etc., from serving….
What is to stop county employed people from serving?
Just where is this claim only retired folks or mostly retired folks will be available coming from?
It is complete and total BUNK…just another defense floated delusion IMO…and it is a delusion I personally wish people would cease parroting over and over again, as it is complete BS.
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2010/september/152561/Casey-Anthony-team-travels-to-Tennessee-to-question-%E2%80%98body-farm%E2%80%99-scientists
http://legallyours.blogspot.com/2009/04/lpo-industry-in-india.html
RS:
Opine away, some of the very points your post suggests plague this case, not predominantly outsourced Jury but on levels which you can read and form an opposite agenda.
The blog Legally Yours.com addresses the reason[s] , revenues! While the jury is out on the impact/cost prohibitive expenditures, you may be surprised to learn an Ohio based LPO spearheads the grassroots movement.
Validity IMO compels folks to consider when questions raised, Why the defense is asking and/or procuring outsourced experts via other countries?
Most legals know this is real issue that will impact the profession economically if not legislative level.
* consider State and Foreign Country Experts*
Suppose it would be a fantasy to consider ALL the information as non factual and less than accurate? As the Players continue to revolve and/or evolve will we learn of more
non conventional avenues that are not only intrical, but more commonplace?
pardon the pun Kim, your link is “case in point”
I can tell you that here, in New York, while I was called several times over the years, the excuse of hardship is not accepted as an excuse nowadays to NOT serve. When I was called for Grand Jury, the lady running the whole jury thing said from the beginning to NOT come to her with excuses. Although some tried. Overhearing some people go to this woman anyway with reasons they could not serve, stay at home Mom’s and college students were excused.
A lot of companies do not pay their employees for jury duty. Mine did. GJ in 2004 and in the 90’s, both companies paid my full salary or I would have been one of the people trying to get out of it. I noticed while called several times over the years most say they cannot afford to lose their paychecks for any amount of time. Back in the 80’s and 90′;s, here in NY, that excuse was accepted. Not anymore
I think the “only retired folks thing” is just speculation as they would be most unaffected should they be picked to serve (no jobs, kids, hardship).
Voir dire should be interesting. Does anyone know how many each side can reject?
Perhaps I missed it …. but …..from where did the idea arise to “outsource” jurors? Kind of contrary to the constituion.
BTW, I think serving as a juror is important. And since the most used excuse why people would not be willing to serve is losing a paycheck. Companies should be made to have to pay their employees for jury duty.
Also, since I live close to NYC, I was summoned to NYC for jury duty a while ago. NYC pays/paid $40/day. There is a bridge toll and parking fees. $40 does not cover it. However, a while ago you were able to call your local county and serve where you live instead of going to the city. That has changed as well.
kate,
I have no idea what your post me has to do with what I posted.
I was talking about the BS floated that only a jury of retired folks is likely…
NOTHING else, my post has nothing to do with hauling in experts etc. that you posted to me…
RS: consider the correlation, in principle. The exchange of posts IMO are not mutually exclusive, rather extrapolated context.
AS for BS on Jury speculation, it is what it is…. per “arbitrary” demographics.
Outsourcing jurors=getting jurors from another county and shuttling them to Orange County, rather than a change of venue. How is that contrary to the constitution? Judge Perry is making damned sure Casey gets a fair jury.
The newly added defense attorney Dorothy Sims has a business MDinaBOX where she uses medical experts that are out of the country (cheaper) and they “listen in” during a trial and she used their expertise. I read about MDinaBOX via a link from another blog but cannot find it.
Linda:
Your post referenced the variables and outlines the “Ohio based LPO” et al that Legals employ/utilize for deferred expenditures. The real concern may raise questions as to what might be considered universal practice, or does this issue give pause?
IMO both, on the ethical, legislative levels. Foreign education and what is accepted?
Standards, testing facilities, and qualifications add to the tiers of trepidation.
Enjoyed the convo. very savvy bloggers here.
Good Day Linda, RS, WooB.
http://www.mdinabox.com/about_us.php
Informative insight to the advent~”Md in a Box”
The constitution provides that a defendant is to be judged by a panel of impartial individuals which represent THE COMMUNITY. Somehow, importing a “new community” is not in compliance with that provision.
“The Sixth Amendment requires juries to be impartial. Impartiality has been interpreted as requiring individual jurors to be unbiased. At voir dire, each side may question potential jurors to determine any bias, and challenge them if the same is found; the court determines the validity of these challenges for cause. Defendants may not challenge a conviction because a challenge for cause was denied incorrectly if they had the opportunity to use peremptory challenges.
Another factor in determining the impartiality of the jury is the nature of the panel, or venire, from which the jurors are selected. Venires must represent a fair cross-section of the community;…”
Kate, you are way more savvy than ME!
Yo Hola, due to finanical constrants, there is a Statute in place in Fla. that prevents a case with so many witnesses, such as this, to bring in a jury. A “Community similiar to Orlando will be selected,” R Hornsby did a great article & furnished the Statute. Baez ‘s dreams of a jury from Miami is NOT similiar to the community in Orlando, Legal Analsyts have predicted the county will be close to Orlando.
Voir Dire, imo, will take what ity takes. Maura at Hinkey Meter said that when Judge P said one week, he had a “slight smile when looking at Mason.” Judge P is NOT going to give the Defense any reason to come back & scream they were “rushed duiring Voir Dire.” imo, preventing this as a reason for an appeal will be more important to Judge P than the one week time frame Judge P would like to stick to. They may well “get it done in a week,” but we willl see.
A while back I questioned whether Dr. Gold would be used in the guilt phase of the trial. Layperson here, so maybe I’m off base.
The state plans on using some of the photos, text messages, witnesses, etc. to show what Casey was really doing during the 31 day period when she says she was searching for her kidnapped daughter. Also the 911 calls to demonstrate the evolvement of the nanny story.
Wouldn’t that open the door for the defense to have a psych expert explain away her reprehensible behavior during that time period without going for a mental defect defense? Meaning not related to related to either a mental defect plea or mitigating factors during the sentencing phase. Just to explain how a loving mother could ever, ever go about her “business” like nothing was wrong. In fact appear to be celebrating her new found freedom and beautiful life.
Hence, Dr. Gold expert on dissociation, PTSD, etc. and Dorothy Simms renowned expert on cross examination of same, are hired to try to explain it all away. It might work for one juror if they’re particularily naive or obtuse.
Hey Yo hola, good info!
If the juror’s were picked from the community of Orlando, where the crime occurred the defense feels they would not be able to get an impartial jury in that community. BUT if they do OT “bring in” juror’s from another county/town the defense, again, could cry foul. Many high profile cases, not just “famous” people have have their trials moved from where the crime occurred (or a jury from another county) due to too much publicity, for instance the Scott Peterson trial was moved out of Modesto, CA for that reason.
In a case like this, with a lot of publicity it may be difficult to find someone who NEVER heard of it. They will need to find juror’s who are not “obsessed” (LOL) like the blogging community. Not everyone is paying THIS much close attention to it.
The law cannot just say OK, this is too high profile of a case, too many people know about it, let’s just let the accused/alleged murderer go home..
I believe an impartial jury will be found. I also believe juror’s take their “job” seriously and will convict or not convict based on the evidence that is presented in court. Unless of course it is an “OJ Jury” who based their non conviction on a suave attorney’s nursery rhyme LOL!
Hi art tart. Yeah, I doubt one week will be sufficient. I’m lazy..any idea how many juror’s each side could reject?
art tart said, on September 20, 2010 at 9:54 am —–
I suspect the concept of “outsourcing a jury” is contrary to most states.
Thanks for explaining that Judy. It’s clear to me now. There are a lot of interesting looking comments that I don’t have time to read till later. BBL.
The name of Bill’s first blog was something like “Breaking My First Blog” (I think).
Found it. Here’s the link:
https://billsheaffer.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/breaking-my-first-blog/
LindaNewYork said, on September 20, 2010 at 10:21 am
Hey Yo hola, good info!
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Yes, LNY … I agree with you … an impartial jury will be found … may take longer than most …. but …..
okay bbl
Inside the body farm.
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2010/september/152901/Body-farm-a-key-battle-in-Anthony-defense
Craig.
We are really getting a huge lag could we have a new page “please” please” pretty please?
Please, please Craig?
Regarding the Body Farm…Jose can smirk till his face falls off..he is not doing anything new or differentthan every other defense attorney when trying to get their client off of a murder…attack everything. Everything.
The smirk will be slapped off his face when Casey is convicted. How many real professional attorney’s walk around smirking? I’m sorry to see he thinks it’s all a big joke. His hubris is showing. Constantly.
What I find so DISGUSTING (besides the fact that she killed Caylee) is the amount of money the defense is using to try and free her. And all this pro bono help with big fancy lawyers, free media time, etc!!! That’s really and truly f’-ing disgusting. Where are these noble lawyers when some innocent person genuinely needs them? They make me sick. So the right thing to do, PUNISH the baby-killer, has turned into PROTECT the baby-killer because some of these big-names want to add another notch in their belt by getting a guilty person off. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with justice. This is all about money. What a sad state of affairs.
I hope Bozo and every other single lawyer that tries to defend the baby-killer takes so much damage to their careers they will never recover. Bottom line: casey killed her daughter Caylee and there is NOTHING they can do to change that. They look like fools, with Bozo being the biggest fool of all. “PEOPLE WILL SEE WHAT THE BAEZ SMIRK IS ALL ABOUT!!!!” HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! Who the hell says shit like that? He must be at least partially mentally retarded. He has the intelligence of an eight-year-old boy.
hey friends, I need to watch the video on the Body Farm, & follow the links shared, thanks. I know the Body Farm studies bodies in differnt stages of decomposition, but in little Caylee’s case, will they try to recreate the water/heat/elements little Caylee was in when she decomposed? To determine how long it took for her to decompose?
I was really angry today after reading Bozo’s BS. I vented. Sorry. Am calm again.
BEES KNEES, I get so made at Baez I could spit. For all the cases I have followed, I find his mannerisms to be the most “irksome” & unprofessional & inept” of any legal professional in any case. No need for apologies!
Orlando Sentinel said the STATE released more information to the DEFENSE! WHEN will we get this DOC DUMP!
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-discovery-20100920,0,7426347.story
DOC DUMP TUESDAY!
WFTV-Ch. 9 and WESH-Ch. 2 reported that more documents in the case will be released Tuesday.
WFTV reported that former meter reader Roy Kronk’s phone records are expected to be included; he found Caylee Anthony’s remains and talked to his son about the discovery. “We may also get to see inmate Robyn Adams’ phone calls,” anchor Martie Salt said. “Adams told investigators that Casey talked to her in jail about using chloroform to put Caylee to sleep when she wanted to go out and party.”
WESH anchor Jim Payne said that evidence will be out Tuesday morning, and that a spokeswoman for the state attorney’s office said a disc will contain audio and video. “At least some of the information is expected to be interviews with members of the volunteer group Texas EquuSearch,” Payne said. That group searched for Caylee.
CAN’T W A I T!
If the defense has any evidence that Caylee’s death was an accident, they must turn that evidence over to the State within 15 days of receiving it (from what I’ve learned). And if that occurred, we would have seen it in a doc dump by now. So, unless they’ve just NOW received this evidence, they have NOTHING to support that theory. As dumb as they are, I can’t believe they would be choosing to go with that at this point. But maybe they are just that dumb.
November 30th the final set of witnesses (expert) have to be listed and any motions pertaining to forensics/science have to be filed. The State will be fully prepared for any possible strategy they go with, so they won’t be blindsided. IMHO!!!
Here is a calendar on the Humble Opinion Blog that’s pretty handy for keeping tabs on all of the dates of everything in this case.
http://humbleopinionforum.net/calendar-of-events/
Tah-tah!
“The Body Farm science is fairly new…”
Excuuuuuse me, but isn’t all NEW science FAIRLY NEW at some point???!!!
Hi Woobabie. Apparently the ahve NO evicence Cayle”s death was an accident and appartently they have NO evicence she is innocent.!!!!!
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OK, so if dicovery is reciprical, where is the defenses discovery? Have they NOT discovered anything? After all this time? LOL!
BBL
So — who from any position of authority said anything about an “accident”?
Caylee’s death was a murder, not an accident as some would like to argue or float as an idea! IF Dr. G. THOUGHT it was a possibility, it would be DEATH by UNDETERMINED MEANS! The DP wouldn’t be on the table IF it were remotely a possibility & Lyon’s wouldn’t have “continued to beat her head against the wall trying to get the DP off the tablE. Aston/Burdick, imo, know how Caylee was murdered by KC, it will be close to the description Ashton gave of Caylee’s last moments on earth, EXCEPT, will have more inbformation included.
LindaNewYork, remember when Todd M. claimed in Court, the DEFENSE knew who put Caylee’s remains at the Dump Sight? THEN, the STATE demanded the names/addresses & information be provided to their offce because of “reciprocal information.” The DEFENSE whined & claimed they surmised it from the STATE’s discovery~!
I remember reading T Lenamon’s argument against the DP early on when he stated that “IF Caylee is dead, it was surely an accident.” THAT was before Caylee’s remains were found with Duct Tape still attached to the mandible & hair. The DEFENSE “never tried to even argue accident” as there is no evidence to support it. DUCT TAPE! DUCT TAPE! DUCT TAPE!
Hi gals! Art tart, I’m with you ~ MURDER not ACCIDENT. The State knows what they are doing. That’s why those clowns with large mouths are scrambling so furiously trying to weed out an excuse, ANY EXCUSE, Could it be Zanny? No. Then, could it be Jesse? No, not Jesse. Possibly Richard G.? No, not him either. Well then maybe it was George? No, not George. Well, how about Lee? No, Chuckles didn’t do it. Hmmm, I bet it was Cindy who killed her! No, it wasn’t Cindy. Well then it was an accident. Caylee slipped and landed on that duct tape sealing her mouth and nose. Ummmm, no, that one’s really hard to believe. Oh, I know! It was Roy Kronk, had to be him. Nope, not him either. OK, well what about the tattoo artist? Could he have killed her? No. Highly unlikely. . . . Before they get to trial they will be trying to frame even more innocent people. How long before they are pointing their fingers at Blink, or Val . . . I KNOW ~ it was Niecey! LOL!!! Be ready for them to drag Kathi B. through the mud, hell maybe even Craig. ‘Fess up, Craig. LOL!
Now. Where are those docs?
I’m Canadian and had never heard of Dr. G before this case but she seems to be highly respected so I have to chuckle when some random blogger thinks their opinion is more credible than theirs. HA HA HA!!! Some people!
hey everyone, BEES, the “blame game.”
I have read some funny comments this morning from some peeps suggesting that KC “off herself like the Craigslist killer” to the trip Dumb/Dumber were taking to the Body Farm in Tennessee. The peep suggest that Mason would suggest to Baez they they “blow off the Body Farnm WHERE they could understand Science, & just go to Dollywood to ride a pharis wheel! LOL!
Ha ha ha ha ha. They really are so dumb.
Fresh Hinky everyone!
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
Bees, you’re killing me! I’m listening to Tim’s interview again. I believe I’ve already heard it but it is good so I don’t mind a refresher. It has struck me again just how many people were/are involved with this case. So many have witnessed the The Adams, I mean Anthony family totally self distruct. So many have been hurt by them. When Cindy’s former boss testified at the 911 call motion hearing she was visably shaken and looked to me like she was traumatized. I felt so bad for her. I can tell by Tim’s interview that he was shocked by their behavior. He said there has never been another family to act the way the A’s did. Not even a close second.
Good point, Sunny! I’d forgotten all about that. Cindy’s ex-boss looked really freaked out, absolutely.
Poor Tim Miller. Have you ever seen the YouTube tribute called “A Promise To Caylee” ~ it’s my favourite, so beautiful. He is mentioned:
“. . . So many came to trace your path,
A gentle man rode in on horse.
The rains kept us from reaching you,
One watched with no remorse.”
OOOPS!!!! Well. There it is!!!
BEES KNEES & Sunny, evening.
Thanks BEES for the link, I haven’t seen the video yet.
I look forward to getting the DOC DUMPS, but they seem like a “train wreck that I can’t quit rubber necking to see more.” What a NUTJOB Joy Wray is! Laura Bucanan, another NUTJOB!
Seems like Dumb/Dumb are “up a creek” finding someone to say the search area was DRY! For all the trouble the Defense is going to, for all the SPIN they continue to throw out, NOTHING will make KC innocent of the MURDER OF HER ONLY CHILD!
“defense might be fabricating evidence” per todays doc release.
Okay, if this is proven what happens to jokin jose’?
And if the state believe’s this has taken place why have there not been charges filed?
Why does it seem that L.E is treating this nest of vipers with kid gloves?
The citizens of Florida are paying huge bucks to see justice is done, why would we want our tax dollars to go to some crook of a lawyer that is playing fast and loose with the law?
This angers me beyond anything else up to this point.
I expect L.E. to do it’s damn job, and if the defense team is guilty of this I as a tax payer want and expect them to be charged and punished, not pussy footed around and treated like nothing has happened because they do not want to delay the trial.
Judy you have every right to be angry. I’m a Canadian and it’s not my tax dollars and even I’m angry. I do wish somebody would seriously address this very real concern. Why, since Day 31, has LE treated this defense with kid gloves? Should we ask the media why they aren’t? Maybe Kathi B. could do a special and let us know what the heck is going on behind closed doors. Why is this defense so mysteriously tolerated by the court? Why are they allowed to lie almost daily on national media and not get nailed for it?
Bee’s.
Even the media has tip toed around the Anthony’s & team Casey.
There was no reason why L.E. could not have arrested Cindy for withholding that hair brush, dumping evidence from that car, and lying to the FBI.
If L.E has info that Laura B. conspired with defense to make up evidence, and fake TES documents then why haven’t they arrested someone?
I am tired of the pissing contest, if they have evidence that backs up these crimes then by damn arrest someone!!
It is B.S to use the “we do not want to do anything to delay the trial” again and again as a reason to allow all the crap to continue.
Maybe Tim Miller and Nejames will have to seek justice on their own, TES has been blasted by this bunch of vipers, and now it comes out that L.E believes the defense conspired with this nut case women to fake tes records and make up evidence to make it look as if Caylees body was moved there after Casey was arrested.
This is not something that should be allowed to go by the wayside.
If they tampered with that, what else have they tampered with?
Maybe those hairs Dr, Lee found where from Cindys hidden hair brush, what stops them from tampering with the jury?
Time for the state to open a can of kick ass, and if they won’t do it, Tim Miller should.
This needs to be addressed before the trial starts.
In response to the post above this –
Bill shared his thoughts on charging the Anthony’s in a previous post…
*Snipped*
“So what about bringing a charge of obstruction of justice for any possible evidence cover up or untruthfulness to law enforcement investigators? Again, the answer is pretty simple: the people’s prosecution team of Ashton, Burdick and George are highly experienced and have a singleness of purpose. That is: prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Casey Anthony killed her child. As a criminal trial lawyer, one of the arrows in my quiver is distraction, another is misdirection. That is: create a diversion of the jury’s attention away from the main issue (did Casey murder her little girl?) to anything that might allow me as the defense attorney to argue that the case lacks proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Such ploys have actually worked on more than a few occasions. Unfortunately for the defense in the Casey case, this seasoned prosecution team will keep their eyes on the prize: ultimate justice for little girl Caylee.”
Link:
Why Is State Attorney’s Office Not Charging Anthonys With Perjury?
https://billsheaffer.wordpress.com/page/3/
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I also read somewhere (I think from Bill here, but not positive) regarding arresting Cindy (for example), if they did – she could plead the 5th in Casey’s trial and the State could not use her on the stand. So, in essence, if they consider charging any of the Anthony’s for whatever they’ve done – it’d be after Casey’s trial (after they’ve used them for their testimony).
Yo Hola! said, on September 21, 2010 at 7:12 am
So — who from any position of authority said anything about an “accident”?
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No one said anyone with any position of authority said anything about any accident.
I don’t know who you are addressing with that question.
But if it was me – my comment/opinion about an accidental death defense was sparked from Judy’s comment saying the defense might pretend to go with different theories and then sneak attack the State with it at trial.
HI LINDA!! I saw that you said “Hi” to me a couple times and I didn’t respond. SORRY!
Forgive me, I have an attention-span problem at times.
Here are some ducks swimming in water.
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HUM — there is an ALLEGATION that PERHAPS A VOLUNTEER for Equasearch …on behalf of the defense team MAY HAVE fabricated information –and Law Enforcement is investigating. So —- why the rant Judypc? It is not known yet if it is indeed fact, and it is being investigated. So??
Morning Friends,
judypc, you are certainly entitled to your rant, I don’t live in Fla. & am appalled that a 3 yr. attorney + plus 2 yrs. training on the job with a DP case at his client’s expense, pander to National Media at every chance, lie in Court to the Judge, blow $325,000.00 & have nothing to show for it but failed motions. Baez ONLY started the deposition process when it could be at the taxpayer’s expense, NOT KC’s.
If I am not mistaken, Laura Bucanan is the one that L D Burdick complained about that was “dodging their deposition & hiding behind her attorney.” I hope they are all exposed.
Yo Hola! said, on September 22, 2010 at 7:35 am HUM — there is an ALLEGATION that PERHAPS A VOLUNTEER for Equasearch …on behalf of the defense team MAY HAVE fabricated information –and Law Enforcement is investigating. So —- why the rant Judypc? It is not known yet if it is indeed fact, and it is being investigated. So??
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Here’s WHY the rant Yo Hola:
Since this case began, the Anthony’s have lied repeatedly on National TV, called T Miller into search for Caylee but when Tim was informed by LE that Caylee was not alive, CA went “off” on Miller & wasted valuable resources. GA/CA both, imo, knew Caylee was dead when they picked that car up & GA recognized the smell of decomp, CA washed KC’s jeans, removed items from the car, “circled the wagons as Judge Pirro said to protect KC!” Living off your murdered Grand daughter is dispicable, digusting, & have sucessfully made themselves some of the most despised grand parent’s I know of.
CA Yo Hola also doesn’t understand WHY they are so disliked, but by GOD the public gets it as well as LE/FBI/State Att.’s & the Public, demanding JUSTICE for Caylee.
The public is sick to death of watching the lengths that those close to KC are willing to go for a 6 X’s felon, liar, theif, murderer, & griftor. I have read that Baez could face sanctions at the end of the trial, that IF anything is done, it will be done then.
We KNOW Baez is a LIAR! We know he is of less than honorable character, we know he was denied a License to practice Law for 8 yrs. for the person he is, LYING comes naturally to him. His incompetance is glaring & NOW this! Hopefyully LE gets to the bottom of it.
The lengths some are willing to go for a murderer is unbelievable!
https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1SJuT6ZnZa_DMbH7rK5QXMFWMCG9xV7KVoIjLLRZfg_E&hl=en&pli=1#
Found this on another site. Contributed by Thinker and Musikman. It’s a breakdown of the defense witness list. Many new witnesses added and several experts, who are not on the State witness, list omitted. Typo or are they not to be testifying?
Dr. Jane Brock – Forensic Botanist
Larry E. Daniel – Digital Forensics
Dr. T. Huntington – Forensic Entomologist
Dr. L. Kobilinski – Forensic Scientist
Michael Antonello, American Media attorney was added. Watch out JP Chatt and Ricardo Morales, seller of Casey/Caylee pics. I’ve always found it strange that they never blatently focussed on Ricardo as part of their witch hunt over the last 2 years.
IMO somewhere on this list is a hint to their defense strategy (along with a whole lot of smoke and mirrors to divert).
Also curious as to why Tony Moss, attorney for Kronk’s ex-rommate Brad Wright visited Casey in jail.
Craig, there is some serious lag time on this site. It’s painful to post more then a few words.
Terrytsk, thanks for the link. I am surprised that Dr. Koby is still testifying for the Defense as NG gave him such a hard time.
Diane Tennis, D Casey’s former attorney said this when interviewed:
What does the release today of interviews with Texas EquuSearch volunteers mean to the Casey Anthony case?
It’s clearly a setback for the defense, Orlando attorney Diana Tennis said tonight in offering analysis for WOFL-Ch. 35.
“They wanted to hit it out of the ballpark with ‘this body was not there when that search happened,’ and they’re definitely not going to be able to prove that now,” Tennis said. Tennis predicted that the defense would abandon trying to prove anything with Texas EquuSearch
K Belich also contacted Baez about L Bucanan & he has denied there was a FAKE document, BUT, LD Budick said that the Defense had a TES Document the Defense had she didn’t. hmmmmmm, wonder WHO made that document for L Bucanan?
(information from Hal Boedeker’s Blog @ OS)
Art Tart the experts I listed have been ommitted from the most current defense list. They were previously listed. Perhaps they have nothing to offer in Casey’s favor? It seems like the Defense team will focus on something other then forensics in Casey’s defense. SODDI, or who knows what.
I think Laura Buchanan may be in a little hot water.
judypc said, on September 21, 2010 at 11:30 pm
I know that Woobabie responded to this already, but I’m thinking that IF the Anthonys are to be charged with anything, it will definitely be AFTER Casey’s found guilty, locked up, etc. As bad as I want to see Cindy thrown in jail for her dirty deeds, I’d MUCH rather see her be able to testify for the state, and put that final nail in Casey’s coffin.
Terrytsk, LOL, brainfart! I misread, I knew I hadn’t heard anything about Dr. Koby in awhile, he is a really good forensic person BUT, his findings may not have been to the Defense’s liking!
YEP! TES Volunteer’s DEBUNK SOD put Caylee’s remains in the woods later, when KC was in jail, HUGE WASTE of everyone’s time on all the MOTIONS the Defense whined about in the TES records, just as NeJames & T Miller said.
Instead of trying to MAKE UP A DEFENSE, it would seerm that the DEFENSE might consider telling their lying client it is time to face the reality, that there is NO ONE left to blame the murder on but GA or Gas Can George! I guess that will be the next focus, KC was COVERING for the real murderer’s, her parent’s!
Wow, too much to catch up on. Looked at some of the stuff released yesterday. Some of the audio interviews (like the one with T,. Mller) I read in transcript form. The “accusation” of defense possibly being part of something sleazy and underhanded is SUCH a surprise ! LOL!
Some troubles on the homefront last couple of days. Want to catch up later on all the comments , links, etc.
How come none of the news sites have published copies of the e-mails between Chatt, Morales and whoever the woman was that they were e-mailing back and forth to negotiate the sale of the pics to American Media. Maybe a silly question, but is Gil Cabott affiliated with American Media in any way?
Good Morning All!
ITA Judypc, there have been too many people in this case trying to cause a mis-trial or get the baby killer off. I hope after the trial that SOMEONE is charged. Can you all imagine if everyone acted like this when there is a murder case? I remember a comment made that LE expects the family of the accused to try to cover stuff up or detract from the truth. It doesn’t make it right though. I really think they are stuck between the proverbial rock and a hard place. Most of the ones that have done these things concerning this case are not family memebers, they are just inserting themselves (joy wray) into the case for attention. It does need to stop.
As far as the DT spewing their lies on camara, it goes with the territory I guess. It does seem like Mason and Baez take it too far….remember Mark G? Hah! It didn’t do SP any good and it won’t help Casey. JMO
The doc dump was a bust. Its all stuff that we have already seen. I am happy that it has brought some of Val’s best articles into discussion again. I wish she was on the state’s team. LOL
Terrytsk,
I didn’t read any of the doc dump so far, Val said there is nothing new other than a few trunk pics that we haven’t seen. I listened to TM’s interview just to refresh but I didn’t read anything. Someone mentioned an email between RM and the tabloid discussing that he would get 1,500 for the pics he had. I don’t know where they read it though.
Sunny, pretty sure Val IS on the state’s team. ha ha ha. I’m convinced they have someone paying attention to her blog, and really, why wouldn’t they? All that free intelligence . . . it would be a shame if they didn’t.
WooBaby, I’ve never been able to see her death as accidental. Accidents are not dealt with the way casey dealt with Caylee’s death.
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WHAT? “TES Volunteer’s DEBUNK SOD put Caylee’s remains in the woods later, when KC was in jail.” Really? Is that true? I just got to my computer a few min. ago. Must go see if this is for real (fingers crossed X).
Bees Knees, not only did the Volunteer’s debunk the SOD put Caylee’s remains at the the dump sight, read what Diane Tennis said, D Casey’s attorney:
It’s clearly a setback for the defense, Orlando attorney Diana Tennis said tonight in offering analysis for WOFL-Ch. 35.
“They wanted to hit it out of the ballpark with ‘this body was not there when that search happened,’ and they’re definitely not going to be able to prove that now,” Tennis said. Tennis predicted that the defense would abandon trying to prove anything with Texas EquuSearch.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/?p=21567
Bees, It is JUST AS NEJAMES & T MILLER SAID IT WAS! What desperate idiots. The DEFENSE has been a complete pair of morons filing motion after motion about TES, NOW will they just move on to blame someone else?
Wonder WHO “dummied the document for Laura Bucanan?”
L D Burdick has already told Judge P that TES didn’t have have one document, I am assuming the DUMMIED document that the defense had! KARMA!
Well this is great news for the State then! Thanks for that link. I know Laura B’s name has come up every once in awhile but I’ve never been interested enough to pay attention. Is this old information that we are just now being reminded of or is it brand new? I should know this but I’m embarrassed to say I don’t (BUT ~ I like the sounds of it). I’m going to spend some time this evening getting myself up to date.
Bees Knees, Laura Bucanan has been a big Anthony supporter. She has also sucessfully dodged depositions w/LD Burdick via her attorney as she lives out of the State of Fla., but the deposition has probably been taken by now.
I heard LD Burdick say in Court last Status hearing that she discovered a document that even TES didn’t have. This DOC Dump includes Joe Jordan alerting the State Attorney’s of a document that appeared to be fake shown to him by Baez’s PI in 2009, & Laura Bucanan’s name. Laura Bucanan was assigned to search Blanchard Park, she said she was on Joe Jordan’s search team who did walk along Surbanan Drive, but Joe Jordan didn’t know who she was & that was a LIE. She WAS NEVER on Joe Jordan’s team.
Laura Bucanan is another nutjob that has inserted herself into Caylee’s murder, contacting the media, etc., but untiil this doc dump, we haven’t known about the DUMMIED Document. I haven’t seen the document yet, but when it is available, I will post the link for you.
Although this DOC dump included most of what we have seen, it does DEBUNK the Defense’s theory of claiming Caylee wasn’t at the remains site in June. For 2 years they have whined & argued over TES, now it is a NON ISSUIE as D Tennis predicts they won’t be able to claim this. Poor Defense, still looking for ANYONE to blame.
I think there will still be another doc dump soon, because some people figured this one was going to be the files from LE that LDB had gone back and grabbed to make sure the defense was given EVERYTHING. That’s still gotta be coming soon because they turned it over to the defense.
Yeah Mix, about charging Cindy (and or G & L) after Casey’s trial. LE has to do an investigation and put the case together, then the DA has to decide if there is enough evidence to get a conviction. I can’t see them having this vast amount of time to concentrate on that right now. And – it would mean all the more taxpayer’s money being spent, so they have to take that into consideration also. I do hope they face action, though – at least Cindy.
CRAIG – Can’t you make an “Open Forum Discussion” thread about the case or something?
Oh look, fish! – *bloop bloop bloop*
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Maybe I missed it ….but … why has there been no discussion regarding the two independent persons who reported screams for “help”, possibly from an adolescent or child’s voice near the elementary school in the vicinity near where Caylee’s remains were found? I find this of interest.
Where did you see this, Yo? Perhaps a link could be provided?
What i find “interesting” is a mother who NEVER dialed 911 for their kid
then this report of someone not even related to a kid dials 911….
And when officers looked into it turns out according to the school officials it was a special needs kid having a tantrum, screaming and carrying on.. ( see older discovery docs )
Now imagine that, the caller was not even related to the kid but called out of concern, but Anthony NEVER dialed 911 for her kid… interesting, very interesting….
Who are these independent “persons” and what time frame did these alleged screams for “help” happen. Where did you read this and do you have a link? Or is this just another “Red Herring” being thrown out there?
Can’t copy the link — but check the WESH News … no, it’s not a red herring – two new persons have been added to the defense interview list … and the official police report that I read is dated 10/09/2008 — and, RS you’re wrong about the special needs kid.
Here is the story. Why would this be relevant since it happened in September 08 when Caylee was long gone at that time? Baez is just throwing out yet another “Red Herring”.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=55148143
Red…that would be October…
and yo hola, try keeping up with the case before you say a person is wrong….review docs prior released in discovery at link posted by Red….then come again with the nonsense
Jenifer Killins lives on Florence Harbor Dr. Notice the distance between where Caylee was found and her home. If she heard anything it would have been from the school which was in a more direct line to where she lives. This is all BS as far as I am concerned. And sorry RS you are right it was October when school was in session.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=53+09+FLORENCE+HARBOR+DR.+ORLANDO,+FL+32829&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Florence+Harbor+Dr,+Orlando,+FL+32829&gl=us&ei=T1mbTJW3NJSosQOB1KWiBA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CBQQ8gEwAA
I find it interesting that the report stated at the end that the area had “thick vegetation and was very wet and covered in deep water in some areas”.
Tropical storm Fay blew through in the end of August, but how long did it take for the waters to recede? This further demonstrates the area was NOT searched by TES because of the high waters.
Woobabie, I read last night at WS that there are 2,000 pages the Defense has that have not been released in a DOC DUMP plus many CD’s.
WS has an interesting thread on “The things you would like to see released.” There are 745 entries with a lot of items on each post. There is still so much information still outstanding, PLUS, the “reciprocal discovery of the Defense.”
Baez will have to turn over “all reports on experts & I assume they will be released to the public also, I hope so, I would love to see Valhall’s opinion of the information.
Okay RS — I did read the police statement…. that’s why I posted — and according to what I read, there was not a certainty regarding the autistic child — therefore — all must be investigated, I believce — you and others may think there is not merit to this…. but … it is up to the attorneys to thoroughly review and question.
—-and …. anyone think that maybe, just maybe — the calls and or sounds for help were near the school… and…. whomever may have been “dragged” or whatever … then, dumped… so the logistics of where the sounds may have come from –and where the remains were found are not necessarily of import… anyway …bbl
According to the report, it WAS investigated. IMO, it doesn’t merit anymore discussion.
mixologist …. your opinion is yours — but that doesn’t necessarily mean it is graven in stone — you are not responsible for the discovery nor defense.
And neither are you. And that “scenario” you posted is a load of crap. Caylee was “missing” way back in June/July. The stench in Casey’s car was discovered shortly thereafter. So if someone had taken Caylee and dumped her in October, then explain whose body was stinking up the car? See…that just isn’t a reasonable scenario, if you look at all the discovery that has been released thus far.
Yo Hola! said, on September 23, 2010 at 9:15 am
Okay RS — I did read the police statement…. that’s why I posted — and according to what I read, there was not a certainty regarding the autistic child — therefore — all must be investigated, I believce — you and others may think there is not merit to this…. but … it is up to the attorneys to thoroughly review and question.
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Yo Hola, apparently you didn’t read the last two paragraphs on page 2 of the link to the police report I provided. Here they are.
Art, thank you so much for bringing me up to date re: Laura B. It’s all coming back to me. So that really is great news. Once again the defense has been caught lying. I’m amazed that they are not punished for it, but whatever . . . at least that’s one more bullsh*t theory they can no longer use.
Yo hola, that was investigated. Happened on October 9 , 2008
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/55148143/Casey-Anthony-Jennifer-Killins-911-call-of-screaming-child-now-on-defense-witness-list
Oops. Sorry for providing info that was already provided.
Hi everyone.
Mix~I found you and I am in moderation.
Yo Hola,
It is the job of the Defense to “investigate & question” but do you ever WONDER WHY they did NOTHING until Baez had successfully used ALL OF KC’S MONEY for his salary? Ever REALLY investigated anything, EVER did depositions? Yes, it is the job of this Defense that has done a “piss poor job” of doing anything but grand standing on National TV imo. You are quick to come to their defense, but I suggest you just wait UNTIL the Verdict comes down & you hear the Anthony’s screaming at the top of their lungs what an incompetent fool Baez has been in his representation of KC. Most of us that think KC is is guilty STILL think she deserves a “zealous & competent defense,” she continues to not get one.
LOL! This may be even NEWS to Baez but WS started a thread on 12/9/ 09. For those that follow the case, most of this information in this doc dump is information we have seen before. I know you say you don’t read anywhere else, but perhaps you should consider doing so because all of this information is at Hinky Meter or WS.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92615
Now, how much crap has the defense thrown against the wall. Come trial time, will they use ALL the crap or just some? Will the jury make a list of all the defense’s “reasonable doubt” and one by one cross out all the Jennifer Killens screaming child, Roy Kronk’s, Amy’s, Tony’s, Jesse’s, Zanny’s etc.?
For Pete’s sake, this should have gone to trial already!!!
And I’m sick and tired of Deth is Different, blah, blah blahhhhh…
Hi art tart. Yesh, just where IS the defense’s reciprical discovery? Where are the summer marathon depo’s they did? And will have to check out WS.
And exactly Mix. The car smelled of decomp way before G&C and LE smelled it.
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Hi Bees!
The report on the child tossing a fit is as R.S. said it was checked out, and it was a child from the school, as I recall in one report a school offical stated the child in question screams for help when they are in the midst of a tantrum.
Police followed up on both reports, by going to the school and asking so it is a moot point in this case.
L.E. did not drop the ball on this.
Now, why hasn’t this team of lawyers scurried to the court house to defend Margaret Allen & Tiffany Cole?
They are so against the D.P for women, Allen is in court today saying she is a mental case, and Cole is already on death row, so Casey will have company.
Morning firends!
Linda NewYork, Are you watching the closing argument of the STATE on IN SESSION on little 4 yhr. old Rebecca Riely? If you are, you can’t miss the 3 or 4 foot tall picture of the beautiful little girl that died at the hands of her parent’s. I would imagine the STATE will do the same for Caylee, imo, no overcoming the “nauseous feeling” we have at the pit of our stomach to see a beautiful child murdered.”
LindaNewYork & Red Herring, thanks for the links, interesting comments/contributions by all.
Yo Hola, I know you say you don’t read other places but perhaps you should consider doing so. This blog is a Blog for discussion, other Blogs such as Hinky Meter, Valhall does outstanding articles on the Science in this case as well as great discussion on the case, she is “Second to none, imo on the facts of this case!” Web Slueth discusses the facts as well & offers great information. I am just suggesting that you consider it.
Things that go on in this blog aren’t tolerated at the two blogs I suggested.
judypc, I was thinking of you this morning.
When I watched the OJ trial everday, I used to think the “craziest crimes or brutal crimes happened in Los Angeles.” NOW, I think there seems to be SO MUCH CRIME in Fla., especially with children.
Then I decided it was because I was following the Los Angeles paper during OJ & was more aware of the crimes there, & now I wonder if it is that I read the Orlando Papers where I am reading of other cases. I was appalled at the Billings Murders! Now I am reading those nutjobs, the KEENE’S, Balloon Boy, are moving to Fla., hopefully not to a neighborhood near you.
What are you thoughts of the crimes in Fla., & what do you think of your tax dollars paying for KC’s defense?
Hi Linda! Judy told me that the defense can only choose one story to go with when the trial starts. I was a little worried too because they literally have NOTHING but they front like they have EVERYTHING. Goofs that they are. And yes, it should have been tried long ago with casey now in prison (oh, happy day) but May gets closer everyday. Tick . . . tock . . .
Art, absolutely! casey does deserve a competent defense which is the farthest thing from reality, being stuck with bozo but what about mason and all the other attachments? Will she still be able to say incompetent lawyer when she has so many of them that aren’t. As loathsome as I find mason he apparently has a good reputation so will she be able to say “incompetence?”
Hi art. I had/have been keeping up with that case a little and get a “newsfeed”on FB from InSession and watched some of the defense’s closing argument yesterday. Haven’t seen the picture.
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Wonder what “story” the defense will go with…
Casey has an “OVERKILL defense team”. Makes her look MORE guilty, if that’s possible!
art tart said, on September 23, 2010 at 9:11 am Woobabie, I read last night at WS that there are 2,000 pages the Defense has that have not been released in a DOC DUMP plus many CD’s.
WS has an interesting thread on “The things you would like to see released.” There are 745 entries with a lot of items on each post. There is still so much information still outstanding, PLUS, the “reciprocal discovery of the Defense.”
Baez will have to turn over “all reports on experts & I assume they will be released to the public also, I hope so, I would love to see Valhall’s opinion of the information.
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art, do you have a link to WS for the “The things you would like to see released.” I tried looking, but…either laziness or I missed it. Probably a littl of voth!
Hi Art:
Seems no place is without crime these days, I use to think the high crime areas were New York, Chicago, and L.A.
I have often said they could be giving away free homes in Orlando and I would say “Thanks, but No Thanks”
I keep up with the news from my old Kentucky home & Moms Indiana town, and while there we felt safe and secure, in the three years since we have been gone it appears they are as bad as any other.
Florida seems to have more than its fair share of nut case’s for sure, some time back I was researching serial Killers, and lo & behold Florida tipped the scales in those numbers, maybe it’s the heat lol.
I tend to think the bad economic times our country is having lends to the higher crime rates, but I also blame a system that has been too soft on crime for too long, allowing gangs and drugs to get a strong hold on communities.
When drugs & gangs move in you always see a higher rate of murders & robbery’s.
With case’s involving children as victims we as a society have long been guilty of looking the other way on things that I believe have lead to more violence against children.
IMO first offense child molesters should not be given a second chance, it should be automatic LWOP in a prison with others of a like kind.
If given a second chance they often murder the child so they will not be caught, and it is commonly thought that by the time a child molester is caught, they have abused over 20 children they did not get caught for.
Parent’s abusing their children as well do not deserve our sympathy, child murders has been an area largely neglected, it is believed that over half of the children listed as missing are in fact murdered children, and it is thought that one or both parents are the guilty party.
For years we have looked at a women’s right to abortion as her choice, and I do agree to some extent to that.
But imo abortion has lead to devaluing children, they call an unborn child a fetus, thus taking away the thought this is a baby. A living person, when we no longer place value on something it can be gotten rid of without guilt.
Young women such as Casey are not ready or willing to accept responsibility for a child, they want their freedom, they want to focus on themselves, once that child is placed in their arms the world changes.
Casey thought Cindy would be the parent to Caylee and she would still be allowed to have her life unfettered, when that did not happen, and she saw Caylee as a weapon being used against her, she simply decided to get rid of the problem.
Sorry this was so long, but you touched on my soap box lol 😉
I must say — the vitriol has become astounding here — I posted earlier regarding the fact that a person who called the police re: a possible screaming child yelling help will be deposed by the defense. It’s not my scenario — my facts or my opinions. Apparently, due to the actual police report — it was NOT a done deal. The woman at the school did not recall what the autistic child may have screamed if anything. AND, the trial has not started … therefore, there is no chance of a “mis-trial.” When the defense makes a move, the ball is in their court … their timing is their own.. None else should decide when or what they should do except the court.
Bees Knees — Judypc is not the authority — she has a blog, opinions, thoughts as we all do — but she admittedly has said she is not an attorney. And — you have no right to insult me as such. You have issues.
ART TART…Right now, InSession talking about Petit Murders…
The itme on this blog is an hour behind…East Coast time is 1:04 pm
Gee, great, then if a kid is heard screaming in October while Casey was out on bail
and defense wants to imply this call in question about screams is related to Caylee’s demise, then gosh Casey was out on bail at the time…
it is astounding to me what the defense tries, and this is no exception, they shoot their other dude did it while she was in jail right in the foot with this nonsense…LOL
Yes, by all means bring in this October call….LOL..
BTW: yo hola, experts have already said Caylee was dead in June, not up running around to scream in October…
Very good observation, RS ! LOL!
One of the most important goals a trial attorney should have is the presentation of the case.
It should be in a clear and in an orderly manner that is easily understood by the jury.
You can not walk into court and float a dozen theories as to what happened,
If team Casey strolls into court and says, Oh a rouge Nanny is the person who did this, then swings over to well, L.E did not check out Kronk, or Jesse, then tries to say “well, it was not pre-meditated, it was an accident, which is what one of the attorneys has already eluded to, the jury will cast aside “ALL” theories’.
The lawyers on both sides need to have their case packaged in a tight box, keep it clear, concise, and most of all believable & understandable.
What is presented to the jury must also follow the evidence trail.
The state must walk in confident and say here is what we believe happened and here is the evidence that backs up our case.
Then follow like clock work from those 911 calls to the discovery of Caylee’s remains.
(1) Play the 911 call.
(2) Push home the 31 days.
(3) Put that car front and center, all the forensics.
(4) Push home the lies.
(5) The body, Dr G, and all the forensics.
(6) The Duct Tape.
(7) All the items that connect back to the house.
(8) Revisit that car trunk.
(9) End with that 911 call, a large photo of Caylee, A large photo of that trunk beside it, and a photo of the dump site.
The trunk liner, Caylee’s shorts and shirt, and the laundry bag, on a table, in front of the jury, then as they are ready to take their seat they should play the video of Caylees last day.
While you are my sunshine is playing Ashton needs to be looking into the juries eyes, his hand on the rail dead center then ask,
Did Caylee look into her mothers eyes as she was dying?
Have a timer ticking away (4) minutes to show how long she suffered straining to breathe.
leave the jury with her singing “You are my sunshine” in their head & that ticking timer as they go into deliberation.
Yo Hola! said, on September 23, 2010 at 11:58 am
“I must say — the vitriol has become astounding here — I posted earlier regarding the fact that a person who called the police re: a possible screaming child yelling help will be deposed by the defense. It’s not my scenario — my facts or my opinions. Apparently, due to the actual police report — it was NOT a done deal. The woman at the school did not recall what the autistic child may have screamed if anything.”
Excuse me Yo Hola, “if anything”? You read into that report what you want to bear as your truth, not the truth of what was spoken. Try re-reading the below. How can you say “she did not recall what the autistic child may have screamed if anything” in a sworn statement to the police?
“According to faculty member Tracey Wollam, there was a child who she identified only as Hermes (NOI), who was in front of the school at approximately 0845 hours yelling, because Hermes is what she referred to as a “High performance child”. Tracey stated that she did not recall Hermes yelling the word “Help”, however, he was yelling very loudly, and some of the words could have been mistaken as “Help”.
One more thing Yo Hola, I have read Bees for quite some time now and have never considered her to have issues. Quite the contrary. If any one has issues here it would be you with your unsubstantiated rants and lack of comprehending what you read. You owe Bees an apology.
Red Heering, I totally agree with your above post.
Judy! I LOVE reading your comments (and many others).
Well Hello Red Heering. Enjoying your comments as well. Some commenters can push some people to thier limist of patience. Those are not “issues”! LOL!
Red Heering said ———-
apology ….. I deserve many —-
Wonder if Casey caught the news today?
Jury took 2 hours to hand down the D.P. to Margaret Allen for the torture, murder of her house keeper.
Do you think it will take 2 hours for the torture murder of a 2 year old child?
Wake Up Casey!!!!
Justice is comin for you gal.
You will be the 3rd women on Florida’s death row, better try to make a deal!!
LindaNewYork, here is the link to Web Slueth on “Evidence Not Released.” I suggest, this is what I do, start at the last page, & read it backwards because if you start in the beginning, there are over 745 posts, plus, some of the evidence has been released since the thread began. GEEZ! I think at times we know so much but, when you read WHAT ALL IS OUTSTANDING, many things that you have forgotten about, you will be shocked to see how much more damning evidence could be released. There are so many people curious about the JC Penny bill CA didn’t want to give to Melich or Allen, she said it was important! In other words, WHATS ON THE FREAKIN BILL & HOW MUCH DID YOUR SKANK DAUGHTER SCREW YOU OUT OF THAT DAY?
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82951
judypc, excellent presentation of facts the State is working on, it still gives me chills. Too, I read awhile back that the STATE is going to “demonstrate how the Duct Tape was applied covering Caylee’s orifices, the exact lengths, that should be powerful. I don’t know if it will be a 3-D Power Point Demonstration or exactly what, but it will paint the horrific picture of Caylee’s last moments.
I am confident that “their ducks are in a row,” they have meticulously been working this case while the Defense has provided “entertainment for those of us following the case.”
CA & Gas Can George will have a long time to consider what M NeJames said about KC facing the DP: “A competent attorney would have ask for a PLEA in the beginning in exchange for KC explaining exactly how Caylee died, cooperating, & taking LE to the remains sight. She could have possibly worked a PLEA for 15 yrs.” Baez was barely a 3 yr. attorney, inexperienced, & even with 2 yrs. on the job training, he is still making ridiculous decisions & criticized by his Peers. T Lenamon couldn’t get through to Baez, imo, Baez made decisions for himself, not KC.
I can’t wait for the “Smackdown between Baez & the Anthony’s in the MEDIA once KC gets her Verdict.” It will be UGLY! KC will get the Verdict she deserves, Baez won’t find the $$$$$ that he dreamed of, & as B Sheaffer said, the Defense will be personally attacked for representing the murderer of a child the rest of their legal careers. The Anthony’s imo, may get one more pay day from Jim L., then they will have to get jobs, NO BODY CARES what they think, they like their daughter are LIARS!
I too find this laughable. The Defense has put the managing editor on their Witness List. I assume that they will ask how much money Morales & Chatt were paid for pictures of Caylee. LOL! Wonder if the STATE will ASK the Anthony’s how much money they have PROFITED from Caylee’s Murder & exactly from whom?
KC is a felon X’s 6, a griftor, a LIAR, thief, & a murderer, this seems laughable that Baez thinks a jury would give a crap about the $1,500.00 both guys supposedly have gotten for selling pictures, WHO CARES? They didn’t MURDER CAYLEE! Their CLIENT did! LOL!
For anyone that has forgotten CA’s HATEFUL RANT TO T MILLER!
Also, for the VERY FEW that don’t believe the Anthony”s knew Caylee was in the woods, direct from the HORSE’S mouth!
OOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSS! How did you sleep nights Cindy knowing your grand daughter was decomposing just down the street from your home, just as KC said, she was near home, KC could “feel it & so could you & GA.”
STILL WAITING on D Casey’s Investigative Deposition! They didn’t find Caylee that day, sent there at the direction of Cindy Anthony~!
Yo Hola –
What is it EXACTLY that brings you back here on an almost daily basis? You don’t like the comments, obviously. I think you like to argue. You can hardly make a statement without chiding others for theirs.
I’m learning to completely tune you out. Maybe some day you’ll develop the ability to argue your points with a reasonable amount of respect for those you are addressing.
Art Tart –
Thanks so much for the link to that WS thread, I’ve been wanting something new and refreshing to read.
To whoever –
I don’t understand why there has been such a big deal made by the defense about Caylee’s body being moved while Casey was in jail. Yes – it would prove someone else was involved, but it doesn’t negate Casey being the one who killed her. I don’t believe it would give enough reasonable doubt, she’s still the one that didn’t report her baby missing, ugly coped for 31 days, had and still has absolutely no emotion over losing her child, refused to cooperate with LE, etc. The only thing that it’d prove to me is that there is a 2nd person that needs rot in jail for the rest of their lives.
Hi Yo Hola!
How are you doing these days? I just dropped by to see what’s going on in this side of the woods and it seems nothing much has changed. I would hope Craig Mazer would interject sometimes and help in your defense.
We can only hope that some day they would develop the ability to argue their points with a reasonable amount of respect for those they are addressing.
YoHola, I’ve never seen you lower yourself to name calling as some peeps here and you’ve always conducted yourself in such a delightful fashion, other than the fact you’re not a brown noser who nods in agreement with each and every aspect of this case, I see no problem with your comments.
You’re a free thinker and an intelligent person as well. I respect you for your tenacity and determination to state your own personal view points. Kudos to you kiddo!
I’m sorry you have to endure the senseless negativity that you’ve endured for so long. You deserve more than an apology. You deserve a medal. 😀
Take care,
JB
TheJBmission said, on September 24, 2010 at 4:42 am ———–
thanks …… sorry I didn’t sign on earlier to see your post … .but …. you started my day on the right note! Thanks again …. the vitriol is out of control.
Woo.
You are right on target this morning girl.
I decided a long time ago to just let Yo & JB mouth off to themselves, do not respond to them, don’t read their post any more, no point to them unless you want to see fellow posters snarked at.
And I too have questioned how it would help Casey to claim the body was moved?
All that proves is someone else in that whacked family knew the truth.
Does not say she did not murder her baby girl, even Mason said does not prove she is innocent, so one has to wonder just what are they thinking?
Yawn. Once again, TheJBmission and Yo Hola make an appearance to do nothing other than make a comment that in one way or other is a put down. It seems you believe that if you can make a commentor here appear less-than-civil, it will discredit their thought processes or opinions. However, nothing that I’ve seen or read seems to be too far-fetched nor is it anything other than a discussion of the evidence being released: actual photos, actual transcripts of depositions, actual recordings of CA, GA, LA, and KC herself, etc. It is what it is.
You may not LIKE this, you may not LIKE that it stacks a little too heavily in the opinions of those here that KC is guilty, but that dislike of these things doesn’t mean you should attack – and that is what you have done. I’ve been on this blog from the start and you have done this from the beginning: attack. No comment about the case, the evidence, no posting of your own opinions and reasons why, no statements of facts and evidence to back it up, no response to questions or links to support anything. You’ve attacked everyone’s posts, the two of you, and questioned everyone, caused havoc and turmoil, whine about mistreatment and contribute NOTHING. I do believe this is your intent, however.
The bottom line is that regardless of what any one of us discuss, and what our opinions may be, KC will be in front of a jury of random, average, everyday people. I think if you want to get an idea of what her fate will ultimately be, take a look through the blogs and see the reaction, especially from people who are just starting to follow the case. Or from cases similar – she’s not the first person to be accused of murdering her child, regardless of what JB would like people to think!
There are a good number of people in Florida – I’m in the southeast Florida area – who have no idea who she is and who are not following the case as avidly as I. However, I think the evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, is not in her favor. Although I believe her guilty, I truly do wish she had better representation than JB.
MelissaSFL said, on September 24, 2010 at 7:52 am
Well said.
I’m not opposed to discussion about Casey possibly being innocent, however, I’m not likely to believe some BS theory that doesn’t jive with what evidence has been released, nor am I likely to to believe someone’s “gut feeling”. There have been instances where someone has brought up a point that made me think, “oh, maybe Casey DIDN’T do this”, but then I’d go back and read, match up timelines, etc…and realize there isn’t any theory that has be pursued thus far that made any sense at all. Furthermore, there is NO reason to get snarky with people because they don’t happen to believe the way you do. Here’s an idea for those Casey supporters: You have a right to believe Casey is innocent, as much as the rest of us have a right to believe she’s guilty. But coming here, attacking posters, not backing up your opinions, etc., is getting really old. Lay out your theory, back it up with a link to evidence that helped you form your decision, and open the door to a CIVIL discussion about it.
MelissaSFL — woobabie — et al —
None of you have the right to question why I am here —- I don’t question why any of you are here, nor am I argumentative. Just ’cause I don’t falll into lockstep — and question and raise questions you miscaracterize my posts. It is almost as if you feed off each other. I am an independent thinker – and so hope a voice of reason will participate — Indeed, I do discuss the case, evidence, offer my thoughts — but — apparently, if it is not in concert with the self- appointed “click” — my posts are deemed unacceptable. Well — asi es la vida.
Acceptance should be embraced.
Since this may be misconstrued, everyone posting here brings great debate to the forum, I happened to read here[seldom post] and here is an objective viewpoint.
Critical thinkers and Obstinate Thinkers are like oil & water.. tolerance should be exercised.
If YOU don’t agree, then disagree with some level of mutual respect. It would be so nice to read all the great minds that have joined to form opinions that have value.
thanks for the consideration
Yo Hola –
I don’t question why you’re here. IMO, I believe a good portion of your purpose is to disrupt discussion and to make it as unpleasant as possible for people to post/visit the blog. While I’ve enjoyed visiting here daily to catch up on what is happening with the case, as tolerant as I am, at times you and TheJBmission have been successful at causing a complete cessation of discussion regarding the Case.
You do NOT discuss the case or question the evidence. You ONLY question the opinions and posts of others. And – I’ve yet to see anyone request or require you to think or believe as they do, and for you to suggest that this is the scenario is completely disingenous.
While I admire your defending your right to be here, to be an “independent thinker”, and to offer your opinion freely, I think it would be equally admirable if you’d respect others’ rights to do the same – which you do not do.
Art Tart – Thanks very much for the WS link. It’s been awhile since I’ve visited the site (I’m usually trying to catch up at Val’s!) but it was a really good “refresher” of all the information and evidence yet to be released that they’ve collected. 🙂
http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/job-JZZUQFM519J Posting for the position of Legal Recruitment Coordinator for a law firm.
Someone on another site made the comment that Mr. Baez is working in the role of Legal Coordinator rather than an attorney. Quite right.
Terrytsk said, on September —
that very well may be — the lead attorney oftimes acts like a legal coordinator — just as the primary physician acts as a medical coordinator for the necessary specialists.
Yo Hola, also, because Baez ISN’T Death Penalty Quality, it may be another one of his JOBS that he doesn’t need supervision, as opposed to his MOTIONS that have to be signed off on by a DEATH PENALTY Qualified Attorney.
Judypc, this is too funny, it reminded me of your list of things the STATE would do to Convict KC, Sluetherontheside made a list of things Baez will attempt to defend KC.
Listed in “multiple choice” format for ease.
a. “Hey, look over there.”
b. “I’m sorry I’m just an old guy. Can you say that again?” aka “Ineffective assistance of hearing aids…. errrrrrrrrr counsel.”
c. “KC was a victim of corrupt LE.”
d. “My client is being discriminated against as the client of an Hispanic attorney.”
e. “He did it or could have done it but you didn’t prove he didn’t.”
f. “She did it or could have but you didtn’t prove she didn’t.”
g. “It’s been too long since the crime and witnesses can’t remember accurate info.”
h. “Some people don’t like me and are punishing my girl.”
i. “We didn’t know those visits family visits were being recorded and KC may have given people the wrong idea.”
j. “You are just biased because she is pretty.”
k. “You don’t like her pictures.”
l. “You have NEVER taken a deposition from the real Zanny.”
m. “You didn’t let KC search for her daughter in private.”
n. “You just don’t know what I know.”
o. “You didn’t pay attention to the evidence and were focused on my smirk / pen clicking, nifty suit.”
p. “You didn’t watch all of my media appearances.”
q. “LE is inept.”
r. “The FBI is inept.”
s. “The State wouldn’t give me a checkbook to work with like ABC did.”
t. “We were too busy preparing for the penalty phase that we couldn’t tell you the real story. BUT…we will in a book out soon.”
u. “Water levels are really subjective.”
v. “Andrea ditched us.”
w. “Todd ditched us….but shout out for his donation.”
x. “I forgot to do some stuff, but it’s not her fault.”
y. “Do you really want to try this case again?”
z. “Who are you going to believe…ME or your own eyes????”
Woobabie & LindaNewYork, this too, imo, is an interesting thread at WS, the topic question is: WHAT WILL BE THE STRATEGY OF THE DEFENSE?
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111391
Terrytsk, lol, HOT JOBS! I was re-reading yesterday the “laughable JOBS that Gas Can George & Lee advertised for needing “Personal Assistants” at NO PAY when the case began. imo, this family PROJECTED exactly what they were about, WHY would GA/Lee need assistants, to “brain storm LIES for KC? To contact the MEDIA to schedule interviews for $$$$ so they could live off Caylee?”
S T A T U S Hearing Monday Morning, I will watch it on IN SESSION even though the commercials are abusive, I really like “William Jay,” Tony L’s attorney. I guess LD Burdick/Ashton will tell Judge P if they have any outstanding Depos as they need to have them all done. Baez, imo, will continue to WHINE & TADDLE as he does every single opportunity he gets, EVEN when told by Judge P it was “not appropriate.”
WHEN is the “Reciprocal Discovery Due?” WHEN will Dr. Lee & other’s complete their reports, DUH, it’s been over 2 years, I am surprised LD Burdick/Ashton haven’t screamed for them yet but I assume the Defense may have more time. I am interested in reading them.
Terrytsk, too, you listed 4 experts dropped by the Defense the other day. I was thinking about something Hornsby said, “IF the Expert’s report AGREES with the STATE or is NOT favorable to the Defense, the Defense will continue to look for an EXPERT that will write a report favorable to their position.” I was thinking about Dr. Kobilinsky, who shares a good reputation may have been one of those very EXPERTS that had independent facts & thinking that weren’t favorable to KC.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-pictures-20100922,0,7810371.story
Quote from e-mail between Morales and media contact Sharon Keeble, “The magazines in the Uk wanted more party pictures in order to run articles but American Media just want to show Casey and [Caylee] together, which I think is a really good thing,” the representative wrote. “Obviously there are pics everywhere of the two of them that they could have bought but they like yours and are willing to pay, so I feel that this is a good deal for you.”
It’s odd that of all of the pics to choose from, this woman was only interested in these particular pics that happened to have Caylee wearing the same t-shirt that her skeletonized remains were found in. They weren’t particularly good shots and pics of Caylee sitting down watching her mother play on a guitar is hardly conducive to quality interactive mother/child play time, which is what this Sharon Keeble is inferring in the above statement.
That’s why I ask if Gil Cabot was affiliated with American Media or not. Remember Gil Cabott making the statement long before the remains were found, that this case involved not only the loss of the life of a little girl, but also Casey’s life hung in the balance (paraphrasing here). He did back pedal and say his comment was taken out of context, even though he said it on tape and we all heard him. Was a certain spokesperson/agent privy to what Caylee was wearing when she was murdered and thrown away like trash and was then able to pass this information on to this media contact person to negotiate. Those pics were worth a lot of money once the remains were found.
Has anyone seen a link to the e-mails? Maybe from a previous doc dump?
Yo Hola! said, on September 24, 2010 at 8:27 am
MelissaSFL — woobabie — et al —
None of you have the right to question why I am here —- I don’t question why any of you are here, nor am I argumentative. Just ’cause I don’t falll into lockstep — and question and raise questions you miscaracterize my posts. It is almost as if you feed off each other. I am an independent thinker – and so hope a voice of reason will participate — Indeed, I do discuss the case, evidence, offer my thoughts — but — apparently, if it is not in concert with the self- appointed “click” — my posts are deemed unacceptable. Well — asi es la vida.
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Yo Hola,
You say the “the vitriol has become astounding here”. I responded to you at 12:37 pm yesterday about your 11:58 comment. When confronted with facts you come back with your own brand of vitriol. You can state your opinion or theories but when confronted with the facts you have nothing to say except, “apology ….. I deserve many —-“?
“I am an independent thinker – and so hope a voice of reason will participate”
Yes, as long as it is the same opinion as yours. There are many voices of reason here and are willing to engage you. However, it is hard to do when reading comments like yours today. Not everyone here agrees with each other but they can agree to disagree without the type of nonsense you come up with in your retorts. So as you say “asi es la vida” (Such is life) and to you adime obscuritatem.
Really long work day, as usual. Hope everyone is looking forward to a relaxing weekend.
I think it’s definitely going to be a hard road for the jury in this case. There’s a lot that’s not easy to understand or “normalize” about KC’s life. To me, she was basically a ghost. She seems to have had acquaintances but no close friends. When she wasn’t at home, or in the presence of anyone she knew, such as at a party, she (and by extension, Caylee) was “non-existent”. She wasn’t at work so she disappeared for hours on end. I think her general vicinity could be shown by cell tower pings, and they seem to indicate random driving around – and we only see this for the short time frame LE has requested them from her provider. Imagining someone doing this daily for a couple of years is mind-boggling.
The scientific evidence aside (DNA, “death bands” on hair, decomposition evidence in air samples and so on) – what is going to be difficult to explain is telling people that Caylee was having fun at the beach, or Disney or Universal Studios and so forth when it’s now known without doubt she was dead at least a month at that time. The partying, the lies about being out of town, the stealing, the fact no one ever met “Zanny”. The fact that there are no phone records for a mystery person/nanny. It’s going to be difficult to explain that obviously if CA hadn’t found her and made the call to LE, that KC would NEVER have done so herself (KC actually is heard saying “I don’t want to talk to them”). It’s also going to be hard to explain why she never – with the approximate $200k she made selling pix of Caylee – made flyers, went on talk shows, printed t-shirts, TALKED TO LE OR THE FBI, didn’t lie about her job and everything else.
This is what gets me – as a mom, as an aunt, as a godmother, as a stepmom. I may not understand completely the specifics on the scientific “stuff”, but if I were a juror, I wouldn’t need it. And if it were challenged by the defense, it probably wouldn’t make a whole hell of a lot of difference to me – because I probably wouldn’t get a whole heck of a lot out of it to begin with. But the REST??? That’s what does it for me. And probably will for the jury. JMO.
Hi Red Heering. You are sweet to defend me. I only read about three blogs and I usually don’t read all of the comments, but every once in awhile something will catch my eye and I’ll make the mistake of reading somebody whose sole purpose is to DISTRACT from the ONLY VICTIM, CAYLEE. Looking for an argument, a comment, any opportunity to alter the truth, twist the intent desperately trying but failing to create doubt. We have to ask what their motives are to support the baby-killer. Why are they trying so hard to distract? Are these people just bored and enjoy spending their time trolling and antagonizing people? I don’t get it ~ by all means, casey MUST have a fair trial ~ I don’t think anyone would argue that, and God knows, she’s getting one!!! The best defense team that money could buy. Erring on the side of TOO MUCH defense (is there such a thing?) Anyway, RH, thank you. You’re very kind!
You may not LIKE this, you may not LIKE that it stacks a little too heavily in the opinions of those here that KC is guilty, but that dislike of these things doesn’t mean you should attack – and that is what you have done. I’ve been on this blog from the start and you have done this from the beginning: attack. No comment about the case, the evidence, no posting of your own opinions and reasons why, no statements of facts and evidence to back it up, no response to questions or links to support anything. You’ve attacked everyone’s posts, the two of you, and questioned everyone, caused havoc and turmoil, whine about mistreatment and contribute NOTHING. I do believe this is your intent, however.
Melissa, you are very astute. That is exactly their MO. But why? Ever-beating their chests and crying out for justice for casey. Do you think they’d let M.O.T.Y. look after their babies?
Evening friends, catching up on the comments.
MelissaSFL, I too am looking forward to the weekend & catching up on some old threads in the case as well as listen to some of the interviews I haven’t listened to yet.
I agree with your comment, there is just too much for the “Defense to overcome, imo,” & “poking holes here or there will not provide reasonable doubt or explain remotely who else would have wanted Caylee dead but KC.” To murder a child is horrendous, but the defense would have us believe it could be someone random, anyone they could blame, someone that had a vendetta against Caylee, stole items from the ANT’s home & borrow their Laundry Hamper just to put Caylee in. The Defense can’t prove KC EVER GAVE CAYLEE TO ANYONE! I too agree, as a juror sitting there absorbing ALL that KC did, all the lies, it will be a quick conviction imo.
Yo Ho: “I am an independent thinker.”
You may be many other things but ‘independent thinker’ you are not. I hate to break it to you but you are completely predictable. All you do is state the exact opposite of whatever the evidence tells us. It’s your only move.
‘K. I am going back to ‘Ignore’ mode.
Bees Knees, I have been reading Valhall’s latest, fascinating. For those following this case closely, Valhall’s Hinky Meter should be “mandatory reading” in case you have forgotten some of the facts in the case!” Incredible presentation, re-visiting the “invention of Zanny is amazing.” Valhall hit the nail on the head, the Defense would LOVE to forget they ever heard of her. The “imaginanny” as Val calls her, will dog this defense until the Verdict comes back.
I think of the trial, ALL of the people that KC told that Caylee was with the “imigananny,” having a wonderful time, vacationing, at the beach, at Universal, how horribly sad that she was decomposing in a swampy area will testify as to what KC claimed Caylee was doing with imaginanny.. The facts of this case are appalling, the jurors, imo, will be more than appalled at the photos, the evidence, the lies, looking everyday at the mother that murdered Caylee. KC will get exactly what she deserves, I can’t wait for her to go away.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/09/24/the-anthony-encycliepedia-casey-talks-about-imaginanny/
Hi art tart! You L♥VE Hinky as much as I do. And I didn’t know about her blog for the first year or more, so there are still articles of hers that I’ve not read , and when I find them I savour them! A real treasure trove of information. No doubt she uses too many words for Bozo to read but there’s no doubt in my mind that someone (or more) from that low-class team of so-called wanna-be defense lawyers reads The Hinky Meter.
Hi Bees, thanks for the heads up on Valhall’s newest! Just got done reading it and now have to read the comments. TOO MCUH DEFENSE=OVERKILL Defense!
Hi art tart, thanks for the link to WS.
Hi Terrytsk, thanks for your link too.
Enjoyed reading and taking in all the comments from MelissaSFL, terry and Red Heering! Lots to catch up on here and everywhere
Morning LindaNewYork & Bees Knees,
BEES! LOL, I didn’t know about the Hinky Meter either for about the first year, then after visiting so many blogs, found hers which, imo, is fact oriented & with her “scientific background,” really separated her BLOG from the rest. I am consistently amazed at her “overall view” of the entire case. I too am catching up on articles & enjoy them all, Maura also is outstanding in the additional information she shares.
LindaNewYork, yep, so much to catch up on. I hope IN SESSION now focuses on the Petit Trial since the current case is awaiting the verdict. STATUS Hearing will be covered on Monday. Did you see where, in the PETIT Trial, they DID NOT show pictures of the mom & daughter in suggestive sexual poses to the JURY? ALL photos are not allowed in I guess, which, wouldn’t have anything to do with Caylee’s murder, but all photos of murder victim’s are not apparently allowed in cases.
Caylee Daily has a good article on “The Reason to Baez’s Madness.” It suggests that since it is “difficult to become a DP qualified attorney,” that Baez is getting on the job training. I hadn’t thought about it before, BUT,Hornsby had discussed how difficult it is for an attorney to become DP qualified, Baez probably DOESN’T want KC’s to ask for a PLEA, as again, it is to his best interest to try the losing case, he will have met some of the requirements to become DP qualified in which he could be hired in future cases.
This is a great link I found of the Witnesses for the Defense, since the beginning of the case, those added, dropped, deposition schedule.
https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1SJuT6ZnZa_DMbH7rK5QXMFWMCG9xV7KVoIjLLRZfg_E&hl=en&pli=1#
Can’t wait for Holy Gagne’s, remember her? CA’s bosom buddy. She is the blonde that attends a lot of the hearings with CA. She took a base ball bat to her husband last year & beat the crap out of him over an argument over photos, wonder if they were of Caylee? She was arrested & Conway was her attorney, she is now divorced. SO MUCH FOR A CREDITABLE witness for KC, LOL!
Curious — what is Valhall’s involvement or background — other than starting a blog re: this case? — anyone know?
Hi art-regarding those photo’s in the Petit case…I believe they were not allowed to be shown because it was from the phone of the other scumbag who hasn’t gone to trial yet. If this is not a case for the DP, I don’t know what is.
Yo Hola-check out her site. I believe she has a scientific background. She blogs about more than just this case. But her posts on the case are always a great read with excellent research by her and some commenters. You need to read her articles. She is sitty as well, She is not “involved” in this case. And neither are we.
Yo Hola! said, on September 25, 2010 at 1:23 pm
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Valhall is a rocket scientist. It litterally takes a rocket scientist to figure this case out.
Funny that some claim to know so much on the Caylee blogs and then claim ignorance about The Hinky Meter. I am so thankful for Val’s contributions to this case and many others. She is the real deal. I don’t care what any of the defense sympathizers say.
If you really want to know about all the aspects of this case then THM is the place to go. http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
Totally agree with you, Sunny! That IS THE PLACE to go!
Thanks Linda*
art tart~The blond that attends the hearing with Cindy is not Holly. I can’t think of her name right off but she sang at the Memorial. She and her husband are real estate agents or something. She was blogging for a while, I don’t know if she still is but she was a lot like Cindy. IMO Her husband is usually with her also at the hearings. Don’t mean to correct you but that is not Holly that attends, at least she’s not the blond who usually sits next to Cindy. I’m sure there is a pic of Holly somewhere. I’ll look real quick. They are also the couple who went on the cruise with the A’s. Dang! I wish I could remember their names.
Here is a clip from NG of Holly. Puke. Where do they find friends to lie for them?
If I find the name of the woman who attends with Cindy, I will post it.
Sunny, the lady that goes to the hearings used to be a blog commentor…wasn’t she posting under the name “tengard”?
Yeah Mix! That’s her. Her real name is out there but I’m not sure where to look. The video I posted of Holly was from a NG segment very early in the case. I don’t think she had coined the term Tot Mom yet. LOL Where do they come up with those names?
IIRC, that tengard lady wasn’t even friends with the Anthonys until the whole Caylee thing.
Here is a clip of them leaving the cruise ship. They are saying goodbye to “tengard”. Now I remember they used the excuse that they were celebrating tengard being in remission from cancer for going on the cruise. I can’t believe I know this much about someone slightly involved in a murder case two thousand miles away from me. Hmmm. lol
HaHaHa! At the end of the clip “tengard” is heard saying “film me, you witch, get a life” Didn’t I say she acts like Cindy? There’s all kinds of little treasures buried in those videos.
Hi Sunny! I hated and still hate that “Tot Mom”. I beleive NG did coin that phrase. I cannot stand NG (nasty FAce Nancy Grace) and now she has some kind of show on Fox channel where she “plays” a judge. She’s NOT a very good actress.
Hi Mix! Yeah,Tengard used to post at MD’s way back when I used to comment there. Don’t know her real name or what she looks like. I was respectful to her but let it be known what I thought of the Anthony’s. And mix, I think that’s where i first “met” you, at MD’s. And hey I found your site. Left a comment. Was in moderation, but now gone. Love your rants!
Mix~She wasn’t, her parents are nieghbors of Cindy’s. They didn’t really know her either that I remember. She is probably just as crooked as Cindy. I know I couldn’t be friends with someone like Cindy after she refused to see the truth. She made some hateful remarks also. Other commenters would call BS on some of the things she would try to say in Cindy’s defense and she would get maaaad. It was stupid. I never made any comments to her. I can spot an unbalanced commenter when I read one.
Yes, Tengard. She used to comment at MD’s when I used to comment there and spoke about the cruise. I was always respctful to her although I let it be known what I thought about the Anthony’s and questioned her motives of being friends with them “after”. (Mix, I think I first “met” you at MD’s-also found your site and love your rants-I lefet a comment, ws in moderation and now gone).
Yup, Sunny NG coined the term “Tot Mom”. I hate that phrase. And cannot stand Nasty Face Nancy Grace!
NIce to refer to her as a rocket scientist.. but —this isn’t space — what is her background???? Seriously—-
Hi Linda! The post are taking forever! I didn’t comment very much “over ther” so I didn’t feel it was my place to call Bs on her. LOL There was enough doing it anyway. Blogs can be so brutal but if someone doesn’t want to be questioned then they should not be commenting on things others are interested in, like the Caylee case. Like I said, in absense of more mature words, it was stoooopid. Gotta run, I wish the lag time was not so bad.
Yes, Sunny lag is horrible.
Hi Yo Hola, just go to the Hinkey Meter Site and start reading, seriously—sometimes you just gotta do your own homework.
LNY — no chance in just “telling me”??
Yo Hola!~She really is a rocket scientist, she worked at Nasa at one time. I’m not sure what her specialty is but she is a scientist. She graduated at the top of her class IIRC, her bff was 2nd.
And yes, read at THM. What I think you are trying to infer is that she is not connected to the case nor does she have any forensic background. She is a critical thinker who knows what all that technical stuff means like chemicals and charts. She decifers the reports and tells us in laymans terms what it means. I smell a rat.
Sunny thanks for explaining Valhall’s background better than me saying she has a scientific background.
Yo Hola, in all seriousness, read, read, read. I think sometimes that’s where the communication problem is with you and some commenters, including me. I have truly tried to have patience with you and think I may sometimes succeeded somewhat better with that than others. I get the feeling sometimes that you really have not followed this case and all that discovery that has been put out/released for all to read, thanks to the Florida Sunshine Law.
You seem to mock those of us who, for whatever our reason’s, have followed this case to the T, read every interview, looked at forensic evidence (and even a lack of forensic evidence), every police report, dissected every word and action of Casey & her family, read all the defense and SAO motions, watched court hearings and have turned to bloggers like Valhall/Hinkey Meter for explainations of the scientific evidence….And then you come in with some snarky one-liners, like we do not know what we are saying. You mock our knowledge and opinions. We have given links, explained why we think this or think that…Please take the suggestion to read read read what is out there…
what is wrong with you folks… all I did was ask a simple question—– yikes!!! What are you talking about “snarkey one-liners?” A simple response would have been sufficient … what am I mocking???
Never mind, Yo…G’night!
Linda, I wouldn’t even bother responding anymore. It seems Yo Hola has plenty to say over at JB’s blog…way more than the one-liners shown here.
Hi Mix…LOVE seeing that baby face!!! Sooooo CUTE!
Really, Yo comments at JB’s? I read there once in a while for kicks.
Well, did you get me out of moderation at your place or are ya just gonna leave me hangin?
Yes, Yo Hola is chatty over at JB’s. The thing is, is it is easier to “discuss” when you are more in agreement with people that are of the same mindset, in this case more in the mindset of police misconduct, conspiracy theories, etc. Which is fine. That is why I do not go somewhere where MY mindset is not in tune with others. No point in arguing. The “reasonable doubter’s” and the “guilty beyond a shadow of a doubter’s” will never agree. And like I said is fine. I don’t agree with JB’s site/discussions/theorie’s, and that’s why I don’t comment there. But she and her commenters are certainly entitled to a differing opinion,
I did notice that Yo Hola brought up the person yelling for help at JB’s. It was pointed out to her here, that it was investigated and links given to police rpoerts pertaining to that but she still insists the “brains” at this blog decided it was not relevent. Everyone here has always provided Yo Hola with backup. Oh well. You are right Mix, no point in responding when it goes no where.
lurker said, on September 24, 2010 at 9:02 am
Acceptance should be embraced.
Since this may be misconstrued, everyone posting here brings great debate to the forum, I happened to read here[seldom post] and here is an objective viewpoint.
Critical thinkers and Obstinate Thinkers are like oil & water.. tolerance should be exercised.
If YOU don’t agree, then disagree with some level of mutual respect. It would be so nice to read all the great minds that have joined to form opinions that have value.
thanks for the consideration
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I wuv u.
This is worth reposting. I hope everyone becomes saturated with it.
1. MelissaSFL said, on September 24, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Really long work day, as usual. Hope everyone is looking forward to a relaxing weekend.
I think it’s definitely going to be a hard road for the jury in this case. There’s a lot that’s not easy to understand or “normalize” about KC’s life. To me, she was basically a ghost. She seems to have had acquaintances but no close friends. When she wasn’t at home, or in the presence of anyone she knew, such as at a party, she (and by extension, Caylee) was “non-existent”. She wasn’t at work so she disappeared for hours on end. I think her general vicinity could be shown by cell tower pings, and they seem to indicate random driving around – and we only see this for the short time frame LE has requested them from her provider. Imagining someone doing this daily for a couple of years is mind-boggling.
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I was thinking about this earlier – Casey’s friends weren’t very close to her. She didn’t seem to have a longtime BFF. I guess Annie would qualify, but did Casey only visit with her so much because she needed a place to hideout at? It sounds like it. I wouldn’t consider Amy, because she was a relatively new friend. A lot of people have someone that has been their best friend over a long period of time. It seems like Casey’s friends were “hang out” friends without any real close bond. I guess that fits with whatever personality disorders I’ve seen some people discussing she might have. She knew she couldn’t keep someone very close to her because that person would be privy to whatever devious deeds she was partaking in and “figure her out”.
1. BEES KNEES said, on September 25, 2010 at 10:40 am
Hi art tart! You L♥VE Hinky as much as I do. And I didn’t know about her blog for the first year or more, so there are still articles of hers that I’ve not read , and when I find them I savour them! A real treasure trove of information. No doubt she uses too many words for Bozo to read but there’s no doubt in my mind that someone (or more) from that low-class team of so-called wanna-be defense lawyers reads The Hinky Meter.
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The Hinky Meter will be 1 year old next month. It feels like it’s been longer, but I double-checked.
This was the first post:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2009/10/24/is-premeditation-pending/
FYI — scooted around — and still didn’t see Vlhall’s curriculum vitae…..
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/rules-for-posting-at-the-hinky-meter/
Yo Hola! why don’t you ask Valhall yourself? I know she’s a scientist and as someone posted above, she’s able to decipher the raw data that is Greek to most of us. She also consults with her colleagues and various contacts for their opinions on matters that she’s not an expert on. She doesn’t just write about Caylee’s murder BTW.
Yo hola,
I made this for you.
Click to access Valhallcv.pdf
I’m assuming I get to see yours next, right?
Morning Friends,
Sunny, thanks, I assumed the blonde with CA in Court was Gagne, because she is blonde also, thanks for pointing that out to me. Maybe she has chosen to lay low since she beat the snot out of hubby & got arrested. LOL, Bet CA had a lot of advice to dispense to her about LE, & wonder if Conway represented her in the divorce.
WooBabie, THANKS for the Hinky Link, Vahall has pumped out two great articles on Gas Can George in the past days. GA has always interested me as he is “the weakest link imo, of the ANT’s & as big a liar as CA.” I continue to WONDER exactly which LIE he told to the Grand Jury or during the STATE Deposition.
Yo Hola, it isn’t everyone’s job to provide you with everything you want and answer all your questions. You have been furnished link after link, especially at Valhall’s where many of us read that follow the case closely where ACCURATE information is researched & presented for intelligent conversation & one liner questions aren’t tolerated If you are not interested, no one cares, it is your loss. The rest of us get it.
Also, I read this week on Valhall’s blog which she commented that “she decided to start a BLOG because so much incorrect information was getting out especially about the Science.” If you think about it, Sheaffer & Hornsby both have great Legal Blogs, & WS has a TOPIC that is just for “Verified Attorney’s” to answer questions, but rarely have I read about a Verified Opinion of Someone with A Science Background” present material, research, & links on the subject. It’s a great resource since the Science in Caylee’s case will be attacked, there isn’t anyone in sight to BLAME Caylee’s murder on, so ATTACK the Forensic, Call it JUNK SCIENCE, but Valhall explains WHY it isn’t JUNK SCIENCE. Very interesting for those truly interested in all aspects of the case, for those that aren’t interested, that is your choice.
Val hall, LOL, I didn’t see your comment before making mine.
Don’t expect to get anything from Yo Hola, she continues to distract without providing much information.
Linda, your comment has been let through. I haven’t even been on my blog in at least a month. LOL
Valhall said, on September 26, 2010 at 9:30 am —
thanks so much — no biggie… I just asked the other day if anyone knew what your involvement was — and then wow did the unplesantness start—-
Here’s what I posted: Yo Hola! said, on September 25, 2010 at 1:23 pm Curious — what is Valhall’s involvement or background — other than starting a blog re: this case? — anyone know?”
I think I remember your “name” from –way back perhaps, Greta Wire and/or Caylee Daily — — and so many here refer to your blog — so… I was merely curious —
Nothing other than interest… and I must say … quite impressive!
No problem, Yo hola. I have no connection…no inside information. I’m just a blogger.
I was never on Greta Wire or Caylee Daily but I did start out commenting on this case on ID and then for a bit on WS…so maybe you remember me there.
Regards,
Val.
Was just curious — hum….. don’t know what WS is — but … was on GW until CD started — then left for this one — oh well… thanks so much.
Yo Hola, the unpleasantness started because, as always by you, you did visit Valhall’s sight & even though she provides an email for those with questions, you came back here to complain she had no Curriculum Vitae.. It is time to quit complaining & read the answers available to all your questions.
S T A T U S Hearing tomorrow, I read it will also be at 1:30. It should be interesting, I am very interested in hearing the “Outstanding Motions Argued,” hopefully Judge P will set a date for that tomorrow.
Yo Hola, This link have been provided many times, by many. Visit the site, I think you will be amazed at the information available, the varied subjects, but the bloggers are held to a “higher standard when responding.” Val’s & WS are both monitored sights, something I wish this sight had but I think you will find the sight interesting.
I posted the link last week to WS on Outstanding Evidence We Would Like to See.
Try this link if interested.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=166
Detectives said they were “looking into whether the defense’s private investigator, Mortimer Smith, and Buchanan were fabricating evidence in the murder case“, which would be a criminal offense.
Maybe nothing but, I had a (Hummmm) moment.
Wasn’t Smith under the employ of Andrea Lyon?
Perhaps we have the “rest” of the story as to why Lyon beat feeted her bum outt’a Florida.
Just one of those things that make ya go hummmm…..
Would the Blog fairy’s please give us a new page, please please Pleaseeeeeeeee
judypc, your right, he had some affiliation to the University or the Foundation A Lyon’s works, I can’t remember where I read it, maybe WS.
I think I also read at WS that at one time, T Miller had his forms on his sight, where, if you were going to search, you could fill in your information, print it out, & bring it with you to the search as well as other forms. It was “speculated” this is where the “document suspected of being dummied” came from.
I thought it was funny Laura B said she was on Joe Jordan’s search team & he didn’t know WHO she was, COOL he tipped off LE/SA about the shenanigans.
I’ve often wondered why Brad Conway resigned as the Anthony’s attorney when he did. I understand that he basically called Baez a liar in the TES/Mark Nejame issue. He wants to distance himself completely from this mess with good reason.
I was looking up suborning perjury and came across this,
“Subornation of perjury, which is also a crime, occurs when one person convinces another person to lie while under oath. It can take place in either a criminal or a civil case. For example, if a lawyer lies during a closing statement in court, the lawyer may be charged with subornation of perjury. A lawyer may also be found guilty of subornation of perjury if the lawyer ALLOWS or convinces a witness to lie while under oath. Lawyers found guilty of subornation of perjury can be disciplined or disbarred. In some cases, they may even face jail time”. If I’m reading this right, that means any attorney who allows their client to lie under oath is subject to charges.
There is no doubt in my mind that George and Cindy have and will continue to lie under oath come trial time. Brad Conway is well aware of what details they lie about. I believe that he will not risk his career by suborning perjury, in this case allowing his clients to perjure themselves. Truth be told, I believe he’s been on a slippery slope for a long time, but that JMO.
The new lawyers know only the details that the Anthonys tell them and would have no knowledge of what is a lie and what is the truth. I’ve heard that an attorney will sometimes say, “I don’t want to know if you’re guilty” in order to not limit defense strategies and testimony and of course to protect themselves.
The Anthonys have been very, very quiet since Brad Conway resigned. It’s been nice. I also don’t watch the pressers from Baez and Mason any more, but do read the write ups on what they say. I honestly can’t stomach Baez’s attitude that vaccilates from a whining baby to an arrogant so an so and Mason sounds like he’s got a mouth full of marbles. No offense meant to anyone with a speech impediment, but a trial lawyer makes his living by speaking eloquently and clearly.
Judypc I think you’re right about Mortimer Smith, Andrea Lyon and Laura Buchanan. I would imagine the investigation has been going on for a while now. I wonder if it coincides with Ms. Lyon resigning. L. Buchanan better have a good lawyer.
There was also a pic posted by Joy Wray of her, Mort Smith, Lyon and J. Barrett taken when they obtained her computer data and camera. IIRC a photo store employee called LE when Joy asked him to tamper with her computer prior to her handing it over to them (LE). When you play with fire you’re eventually going to get burned.
Great reading as ususal! Just got done with Valhall’s George and the Imaginanny.
art, I am starting a temp job tomorrow, so will miss th status hearing 😦 But 🙂 about the job. Maybe you can give me YOUR recap.
Terry, your take on Conway…very interesting!
Judy, there are sooo many things in this case that make you go hmmmm…
Terrytsk, I think I head T Miller say in an interview that Conway wanted to “get away from the Anthony’s.” I agree, the ANT’s have been unusually quiet but they will need $$$$$ in which they always schedule interviews/National Media & continue to sell licensing fees UNLESS they have gotten an advance from Jim L on whatever they are doing with him. I can’t believe Conway hung with the Drama of the Anthony”s as long as he did, it certainly couldn’t help his practice, & I bet CA/GA were both on the phone daily with all their self absorbed drama demanding his attention, tattling on bloggers that are fed up with the family & demanding JUSTICE for Caylee. I can’t wait till they go away. imo.
I continue to wonder WHAT D Casey, besides the crazy emails & psychic BS, has had to say in the “investigative deposition” which the STATE apparently has taken at some time as ALL their depositions should be taken by the 30th.
I continue to watch the interviews Mason/Baez call for themselves, I enjoyed it last time when Mason claimed KC was innocent, K Belich reminded the BIG MOUTH that Fla. had “reciprocal discovery” & “why hadn’t they turned the evidence over to the STATE IF KC were innocent so she wouldn’t have to SIT in jail!” LOL! That really SHUT THE LOUD MOUTH up, I can’t stand Mason, a real loose cannon, I have been appalled at his behavior & lack of control on himself.
WooBabie, I just read this at WS:
It is the 8th TWIT down:
#caseyanthony @jfellive confirms from State Attys Office that 30 discs and 2,000 pages remain to be processed and released as public record.
1:49 PM Sep 22nd via Twitter for iPhone
http://twitter.com/adamlongo
Name Adam Longo
Location iPhone: 28.543043,-81.379440
Web http://www.cfnews…
Bio TV News anchor/reporter at News 13 Orlando. NASCAR fan, softball coach, triathlete, husband, beagle daddy and father-to-be!
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WooBabie! Holy POOP! That’s a lotta information, 30 CD’s! I wonder when this will all trickle out to the public. I read it on the outstanding evidence thread at WS & followed the link since Longo is a report for News 13. Interesting.
FOX 35 put in a public records request to see who has been visiting Casey Anthony in behind bars. In the month of May, the 24 year old only had five visitors. Jose Baez visited once. Michelle Medina, who is an attorney at the Baez Law Firm, visited twice. Andrea Lyon and her private investigators Mortimer Smith also visited Casey Anthony last month.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/web_links/060210-Casey-Anthony-spill-caught-on-video
Hi mr Sheaffer, just found this, I am a bit behind following all the news http://www.wftv.com/video/25105309/index.html Evidence fraude? I wish I had time to listen to it. What will the hearing today 1.30 E time be about, I know some people came all the way on planes just to be in the public’s benches, so it must be interesting?
I hope you will one day find the time to write some more legal&law stuff, it was intereseting to read 🙂
Valhall said, on August 20, 2010 at 7:32 pm
Ina said, on August 14, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Paranoide bs, pardon me lol. The hinky meter was also the blog with the six chapters so called professional analyses about Casey Anthony’s mental state, without the writer ever been close to her? Just don’t believe everything you read on blogs. There IS reasonable doubt, so why need a conspiracy theory? Let the prosecution prove she is guilty, and if they can’t do it, let it be.
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Oh my goodness….what a wicked little liar Ina has become! WRONG, Ina…and you know it. The six part series going over the Eraser Killer profile and MY OPINION of how Casey matches it was never called “a professional analysis” (or even an analySES). In fact, I think you – or anybody else who wants to see what a stinky little liar you are – could easily check that in multiple places through-out that six part analySIS, I made it clear I have no formal psychology background.
Now…while I absolutely agree with you that the words of any given blogger (professional, unprofessional, semi-professional, bush-league or outback) should be taken as something to CONSIDER and then either DECIDE that it is LOGICAL, ACCURATE, and CAN BE ACCEPTED, OR BULLCRAP, MORONIC, and WRONG and therefore REJECTED, I find it curious how you selectively choose the blogs you decide to REJECT based solely on their POSITION. In my case, that position being about as controverted to yours as one could get – without having to turn my avatar to a nice shade of blue to diametrically oppose your carotine orange square that repeats at some odd natural frequency on this board.
So I’ve notice that for my blog, you don’t necessarily have anything that mimics intelligent commentary against my blog, but just little sophomoric jabs and false-light insinuations at it because it just doesn’t set well with your decision to parade your endless (what I believe to be FAKED) confusion over how in the world another country’s judicial system could possibly operate contrary to the operating guidelines YOU would create for it.
It got old a long time ago, Ina.
LSU: Talking about old lol. I just said something here to mr Sheaffer, I have no interest in your silly fights. In my opinion blogs that alter evidence in a murder case like I witnessed on the Hinkey meter, are obstructing justice. It is an opinion. Liars shut up indeed! 🙂
For those of you who follow Seamus O’Riley’s Statement Analysis, he has a new post up “Casey Anthony Defense Strategy?”
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/
That’s an awfully bold claim, Ina.
Yes Ina, and you have the temerity to ask Bill Sheaffer a question as if you expect him to monitor this blog 24/7 to answer a question you can get the answer to yourself from the WFTV link you posted earlier. Click on the home page, then the Casey Anthony tab. All you need to know is right there. It should be obvious to you Ina that most if not all here do not want to do your homework for you. Take the time our of your “busy” day to do some reading. It is no ones job here to enlighten you.
You might want to refrain from making accusations about The Hinky Meter. I doubt that Val will take kindly to your suggesting that she is obstructing justice or would allow it on her blog.
Ina said: …blogs that alter evidence in a murder case like I witnessed on the Hinkey meter, are obstructing justice…
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This statement proves that NOTHING you can ever say is worth the time of day to even read it, much less respond to it and everyone trying to sort of “help” this individual understand or figure things out is ABSOLUTELY wasting time and energy. I posted because I am so appalled by your disingenuousness, Ina, and I think you’re a con and for some reason I feel compelled to call you out. I’ve been reading your crap off and on for over a year now and I guess I just had it. And that’s all, folks.
I have IN SESSION on, they are discussing KC’s case, Midwin Charles, Legal Analyst is suggesting that “more attorney’s could be added. I find it laughable to hear that, AFTER all the attorney’s that are on KC’s team, PRO BONO, that they think ANY THING GOOD will happen in their careers or ANYTHING GOOD will happen for KC.
I hope, when the Verdict comes down, that this case sets an Example that “no matter how much drama a family can create & lie, no matter how many times a Defense Team can call news conferences for themselves, to promote themselves & their books, that the jurors’ in FLA. will only consider the facts in the case & provide a Conviction for a Mu
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Murderer of an innocent child, that NO MATTER “the gaggle of attorney’s” that line up for the publicity, that the FACTS OF THE CASE NEVER CHANGE! A murderer is a murderer, no smoking glass will change that & hopefully ALL of the defense, the family, & KC will GO AWAY & stay out of the faces of those that demanded JUSTICE.
I love it when Valhall comes to visit, she certainly sets the record straight for THOSE that don’t get it.
Good luck mr Sheaffer 🙂
Ina,
A little word of advice.
If you want to beg off on “language barrier” on this one, I’m going to let you, but the following:
“In my opinion blogs that alter evidence in a murder case like I witnessed on the Hinkey meter, are obstructing justice. It is an opinion.”
Reads in ENGLISH like this:
It is your opinion that my blog is obstructing justice. You have based this opinion on (the following is stated as FACT) the FACT that my blog has altered evidence in a murder trial.
So sticking “your opinion” into that statement does not get you out of the fact that you have just outright FALSELY accused me of “altering evidence in a murder trial”.
Now – how the flaming hell I could even do that bein’s I’m halfway across the continental United States is beyond me, but in addition to the fact I haven’t been to Florida since I was 7 years old…which was ever so slightly before this case even started…I wouldn’t “alter evidence” if I could! By the way, I don’t have the keys to the evidence locker either!
You truly are acting like an unadulterated idiot, Ina. And I’m sorry to be so brash and so blunt (actually, I’m not, so I should stop being disingenuous), but at the same time, ignoring the elephant in the room named “Ina’s idiocy” is getting harder and harder every day.
Watch your mouth, Ina. Get someone to translate for you..do something before you get yourself in trouble.
. . . wild applause . . .
Val, don’t make me laugh. Whom are you to threathen me? I am not afraid of you. What are you going to do, send a trojan?
….more wild applause….
What did you mean by that statement Ina? How has Val obstructed justice?
Or altered evidence? Go on – dig the hole a little deeper, pretty please?
It’s interesting how Ina seems to have no shame. Get caught out and react with scorn and taunting. Reminds me of some sociopaths I know of, lol.
No kidding. No shame at all. Thanks, Val, for putting that annoying wench in her place.
Well it has been fun, but guess what, almost dinner time.
Potential jurors, I just hope they don’t believe all they read. To have Sunshine laws forms a big risk in these days of the internet with bloggers and their freedom of speech. There is a conflict of interest, as the truth as seen by bloggers ,of whom some are more pretentious about what they write, and the truth, needed for the judgement of a murder crime accused person just are not always the same.
Now I stated a month and more ago why facts in vals blog are not right, I won’t repeat. (I don’t have files about it.) If you feel offended, well very sorry. It is nothing personal .
A life is at stake and the unusual circumstances that prevent Justice to take place with pure facts and a judge, make this a very vulnerable sort of Justice. Denying that is not a good thing for Justice.
Thanks Craig. You are right, I won’t be shut up 🙂
Amazingly rude – comes only to disrupt and call names
While I have choosen to read and not comment so much here for the past few months, I can’t make my fingers stay off the keypad. Ina seems intent on inserting herself in this case, though seemingly she has no real interest in it, save for her death penalty soap box. In reality it is her connection to people from another blog that is primary with her, IMO.
I agree with all who say if you just don’t respond, the problem willl fade away.
That’s ok Ina, I didn’t expect you to answer. You are staying true to your school. Good for you. I thought maybe you might have something intelligent to say. My bad, I lost my head for a minute.
She is so annoying, I rarely read here because I can’t stand to see her comments.
No response is a great idea, that has worked on other blogs. The rest of you are great.
You are absolutely right amazed, and I usually follow that rule but when it comes to Val, I felt like I should say something. Most of the time “they” just try to get a rise out of whoever made the last comment. “They” shouldn’t attack someone who really does care about justice for Caylee, and other little ones who have no voice. Val does a great service for the readers following this case and these dimwits could care less about the truth. The truth is that a baby is dead and someone killed her, the evidence points to her mother. It doesn’t matter what little tidbits they throw out, it can all be discounted with FACTS. Something Ina and her ilk care nothing about.
Back to what you said though, ignore, ignore, ignore.
Sunny I didn’t see your earlier comment.
It was a while ago, I noticed there were things said on the HM blog that were not official evidence,but regarded as such, like a diagnosis of Casey’s mental state, a blanket that was not the same, and other stuff I have forgotten. That is altering evidence to me. Done deliberately to convince potential jurors perhaps that Casey isd guilty and I think that is wrong.
Amazed: insert into this case? I don’t? I try and make bloggers do the opposite of inserting themselves. The rest of your comment is not making sense to me either.
I don’t call names, that was Val lol. Now I am gone. Don’t forget the hearing of today!
Kinda hard for someone to “alter” evidence when that person has never laid eyes on it, or hands, for that matter. I think what you’re trying to say is that the INTERPRETATION of the evidence is skewed, and that’s only your opinion. The majority disagrees with you.
Seems to me Ina you called me a Nazi at one point – and stupid too, IIRC
not that your opinion of me matters in the slightest but I do like to keep the record straight
Whatever Ina, I followed your face to your blog one time and quickly realized what you are about. I won’t trade barbs with you because it would be pointless. You didn’t answer my question. That is an opinion like Mix said.
Kim~She said on her blog that I was inbred. LOL I could be for all I know but I can still spot bull sh!t when I see it.
I shudder to think what makes her the way she is. Anyway, Baez isn’t as irritating today as usual. He must have found Zanny, or A zanny.
Mercy!! Is jokin jose EVER prepared?
How hard is it to have a list of people you have not taken a depo on?
How hard is it to have a list of the experts you need to talk to?
How hard is it to show up in court and be ready to answer the judges damn questions with having to rummage through his color coded notes, which do not seem to be helping him much I might add.
Judge Perry should just slap the FOOL!!
Did like the Judges NO! on sending stuff out to the Dutch, seems jokin jose’s little trick on that fell like a brick lol.
I have personally heard enough about Ina. That sh!t got old a long time ago. Skip and scroll. The orange gravatar is easy to identify.
What did people think of the status hearing today? Could Baez possibly be any more disorganized? Those color coded charts aren’t working for him. Maybe he’s color blind. What’s wrong with a simple spreadsheet that could be updated as changes occur. It was a status hearing. Why wouldn’t he have this information at his finger tips.
Mason had the unmitigated gall to jump up and state he is appalled that Amy Huzienka is only available for a depo on Saturdays in Miami because she is out at sea working for the other 6 days of the week. He doesn’t think that he should have to go to Miami on a Saturday. Hey Foghorn you signed up for this case “cus it’s gonna be fun!”. I wonder if he’s having fun yet?
Ina Val or no one else here has altered evidence, you are as usual showing yourself to be a fool, the blanket OMG how many people buy spare blankies to match a set?
Especially for a child’s room, a child not yet potty trained.
And please, our Sunshine laws keep both sides honest, nothing can hide.
For the life of me I can not figure why someone would be so damn concerned with the laws of another country, simple fix Ina, do not come to Florida and break the law.
Ya just can’t fix stupid can ya? Altering evidence indeed.. Now that takes the damn cake.
I do not know Val, and I am not a reg at her blog the times I have gone there she has been spot on.
Most of us try very hard to deal with the FACTS and not foolery like pork chops in the trunk as you tried to fly.
If you hate the blogs so much then ….HUH get another cause, WOW then you do not have to over work your already tired brain on our English, our Laws, or any other thing American.
Judypc the lag time is so bad on here that I now see you already brought up Baez’s bumbling performance today. It’s a joke.
Terry Yeah I thought that was really rich of Mason also, but loved it when Linda B shot him down, with “Amy was right here for TWO years” Judge Perry glanced over at Mason daring him to say another word, the glint in his eye said BURN!! lol.
Been begging for a new page but the blog fairy has not answered.
Ina, loud round of APPLAUSE that you are NOT an AMERICAN CITIZEN! Just another NUT JOB from another Country dispensing ADVICE in a case that sh WHY don’t you DISPENSE your BS at your own blog, OH! Does anyone go there besides one poster now? WHY? Because you are a KOOK just like Joy Wray & other NUTS in Caylee’s case, EXCEPT, you INTERJECT your ridiculous thoughts into conversations & are REPEATEDLY CALLED OUT ON IT in the blogs. Sad you are so desperate for attention. They say “negative attention can still be attention, that is certainly what you are about.”
INA! IF ANYONE CARED WHAT YOU SAID, THEY WOULD VISIT YOUR BLOG! THEY DON’T VISIT BECAUSE YOU ARE A Nut Job!
Before even reading the comments…I just read a “recap’ on WFTV website re: Sending out of the Country-haha…to the Netherlands??? NOT accredited in the US???CASEY at a depo? haha–Push back the deadlines for questioning witnesses? WTH has this Bozo been doing for over two years?? Un-freakin-believable!!
Is Ina doing the testing?
OH….MY….G-d! Just read all the comments. The orange one did it again! This is the only place she is allowed to comment at.
Is Ina on drugs? When she is not here for a while, is she in a straight jacket? Is she Baker-Acted in the Netherlands? Does she seriously think that the Americans picked for a jury will be bloggers? Does she think that every single solitary Floridian and American in all of the United Sates blogs and reads about the Casey Anthony Murder Trial? Does she ever “think” at all? 🙂
Guess I will try to listen to the hearing
Oh Linda! That was priceless! Thanks! Terrytsk~I promise to TRY to ignore. LOL I don’t like it when they mess with Val. And they have all made remarks regarding her tireless work on this case.
I haven’t gotten a chance to watch the hearing yet, I was just catching up at Val’s. I see Jose and CM haven’t changed. I caught about three mins. earlier and it seemed to be going ok. haha I should have stay tuned.
Hopefully we get a new thread. Maybe Ina can email Craig and ask for one.
Sunny, we have ALL tried to ignore her-I get your sticking up for Val. Maybe we SHOULD ALL MAKE A PACT and when see the orange one give her the silent middle finger and IGNORE !!
Ina is full of crap. She could care less about Casey’s “life being at stake” or her rants about the DP and “evidence” in the case. I think she is full of –it. She enjoys saying those these to rile people up and she goes back to her…Ahem..blog and laughs about what she says and does here with the ONLY person who reads and comments at her..Ahem..blog.
Here’s one for ya Ina…I think all the bloggers and commenters should drag Casey outta jail and stone her in the streets…No Trial, No Judge, No Jury…ya know…like in the old days…Yeah, that’s it. No more courts of Law. The Law of the Land will be bloggers deciding the fate of murders, child molesters, rapists, armed robbers…LOL! 🙂
Same shit. Different day.
Bozo and Mason still blubbering because they have to do some work and that’s just not the fun that Leghorn had anticipated!
Stupid orange avatar is still just as stupid as she’s always been.
Craig still won’t give us a new page.
BUT, the main thing is the State knows what they’re doing and the Defense doesn’t. Justice is coming slow but sure. Nothing can stop that ~ not even that stupid orange stain. Hinky is totally loved and respected and her blog soars above the rest. The orange thing is a one-trick pony. Like Yoo-Hoo, they only have one move and they play it over and over, pitiful losers that they are.
HI BEES! How are ya?
Yes, this defense team is something else. It is startin to be SSDD with the defense team (as with the orange thing), unprepared baboons. Eithere way, no worries the prosecution will present their case, the jury will decide and Casey will get LWOP or DP. Eiither way she’s toast. She’s rotting away in jail, where all murderer’s should be, as we speak.
Still haven’t listened to the hearing. Thanks for reminding me about seamus. Also want to check out what they are saying at Val’s, see if Hal had anything to say, read around… BUT I want to check out a new TV show, “The Event” tonight.
I’m good thanks! Yeah, that defense team ~ Jeebus! Who would you want to be stuck in a broken elevator with ~ bozo or mason? Pardon the crass but isn’t it like comparing shit to diarrhea. Seriously… how does one choose? Both suck.
BEES KNEES: OMG, stuck in an elevator w/Dumb & Dumber! Just SHOOT ME! LOL!
LindaNewYork, I watched CHASE last week & I really liked the girl that is starring in it, I will miss the EVENT but I have read good reviews on it as it is on the same time here.
SAVE the hearing for tomorrow, same ole same ole EXCEPT Baez was whining about Amy H, saying they haven’t been able to take her depo because she is on a Cruise Ship that docks on Sat.’s in Miami. I am assuming she is working on a Cruise Ship now which would seem like a cool job for someone her age. Mason chimed in with the WHINING, Burdick SHOT that BS down pointing out that Amy H had been in Orlando for 2 years.
This defense is a little scary, ill prepared, neither Baez or Mason seem to be “quick thinkers which make it more painful to watch.”
For the $325,000.00 the defense had, OVER HALF of these depositions & work could have been done BUT then Baez couldn’t have kept it all for his salary, for ALL THOSE FAILED MOTIONS KC paid $325,000.00. They’re unprofessional & continue to appear unprepared & disconnected. What an embarrassment to decent Criminal Defense Attorney’s that actually know what they’re doing!
IGNORING INA SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY SOLUTION, I AGREE!
I just remembered why I stopped scanning this site: Clock-worked Orange commenting from an obstructionist universe. With so many intelligent, thought-provoking posts, those neon glares disrupt the collegial atmosphere, must have something to do with the H2O level in the homeland!
On another note, I’m wondering just WHAT the defense team is planning to do with the DNA the anticipate discovering: any family DNA can be explained away, Mr. Kronk better ‘fess up if he touched anything!, and heaven help the CSI who was ungloved! Or then again, they just might discover the latent epithelial cells from the production worker who created the item in XXXXXland to whit Jose will scream, SODDI! and demand time to depose the entire country of XXXXXland! Oh well, hopefully there wasn’t any phosphates within the swamp water so the “touch DNA” bonds will be intact. (YEAH, right!)
Hi art tart, Thans for the recap. Unbelievable they are complaining about Amy. Stupid of them to depose people at “the last minute”. The Event is good. I changed the channel when Chase came on-maybe I will have to check that out too.
joypath-clock-worked orange-haha! Guess they will add the ungloved CSI to the SODDI list!
joypath, that too was my question, wondering if latent epithelial cells could still be on the laundry bag or Caylee’s shorts after 6 months in swampy water.
Valhall wrote a great article explaining the process of Touch/Contact DNA & she had that concern also. A Great Read:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/09/27/caylee-anthony-case-contact-dna-testing/
Mr. Sheaffer’s thoughts were:
Prosecutors say the FBI found no DNA on the laundry bag The defense claims the entire bag wasn’t tested.
But the defense didn’t ask to test anything else, like Caylee’s shirt or blanket. WFTV legal expert Bill Sheaffer says that’s significant. He said it could indicate the defense is looking for evidence that could suggest sexual abuse.
“They have focused on the laundry bag and shorts and that leads one to the inescapable conclusion that they’re looking to see whether there’s any DNA evidence or other fluids that are consistent with sexual molestation,” said Sheaffer.
If the defense could raise reasonable doubt about sexual abuse, it could suggest a molester killed Caylee.
http://www.wftv.com/news/25177482/detail.html
There is also a video report at the above link.
Morning LindaNewYork, yes, Bobblehead never fails to entertain being unprepared & always trying to pull a fast one with Judge P, he continues to show why he was denied a license for 8 yrs. A Parasite on the Legal Profession. jmo.
Anyone find it a tad ironic that the testing will be done by folks from the Netherlands?
Does anyone find it interesting that once again, Yo Hola doesn’t pay attention and throws shit at the wall. Yo Hola, Judge Perry denied that motion. Do you ever look at WFTV or really read this blog?
“They have focused on the laundry bag and shorts and that leads one to the inescapable conclusion that they’re looking to see whether there’s any DNA evidence or other fluids that are consistent with sexual molestation,” said Sheaffer.
If the defense could raise reasonable doubt about sexual abuse, it could suggest a molester killed Caylee.
BUT !! How then do they explain “Zanny” Casey saying the person she last handed her baby to, by any means was Zanny the NON-Nanny?
Nothing explains away Casey’s lies and her NOT calling police “EVER”!!
Casey Anthony Team Gets DNA testing ~ Testing to be done at Pennsylvania lab
“The judge in the Casey Anthony case filed an order today stating that he will allow DNA testing on a pair of shorts believed to belong to Caylee Anthony and a bag found with the remains of Anthony’s dead daughter nearly two years ago.
But Chief Judge Belvin Perry maintains the tests will have to be done in the United States — not at a Dutch forensic lab where a defense-team DNA expert is based.
He decided the testing be done at National Medical Services, Criminalistics Laboratory in Willow Grove, Pa.
The facility is acceptable to both the defense and the prosecution handling the Casey Anthony murder case.”
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-status-20100928,0,1617809.story
So. That’s a great big NO to the Netherlands whether they throw up a lab in the States or not.
I wish some people would remember that a human life has already been taken. Remember Caylee? These are our laws and Casey will have her day in court with or without bloggers consent. I believe Casey is guilty just by her actions for 31 days and the subsequent lies she gave law enforcment. That being said if the case meets qualifications for a death penelty case and the defendant is found guilty hook her up. I am tired of seeing children murdered by the parents that are supposed to protect them. The death penelty has one true upside, no recidivisim.
I don’t think The Netherlands will mind lol. Not many people here know of this case. It looks like the State is tooooo scared that they will lose this case by using the best experts. LOL
The state has a pretty tight case. The defense is still looking for a defense. LOL
BJ, I couldn’t agree with your comment more. I too am sick to freakin death of parent’s that murder their children in this country. Geraldo makes me puke, he said on his ANNIVERSARY SHOW that this case didn’t rise to the level of the Death Penalty, he did say KC was a self absorbed brat & he thought she was guilty. How much would one of Geraldo’s children be worth? WHY does Geraldo think KC only deserves 15 years when she is a 6 X’s felon, liar, thief, griftor, no conscience, visions of entitlement, & has no redeeming values! When an INNOCENT child was murdered & “all of her memories were sold so her skank mother could fund her defense with a 3 yr attorney, & her grandparent’s quit their jobs to “peddle the propaganda, or do the defense’s bidding as NeJames said, & live off Caylee.
They, imo, are all the scum of the earth, the problem is, BECAUSE people like Geraldo think a child’s life isn’t worth much, he has a microphone to spew his ridiculous opinion & can continue to diminish “horrendous crimes of abuse & murder by our most precious & innocent commodity.
judypc, this is a “risky avenue for the defense. Valhall pointed out that IF Anthony’s fingerprints come back on that Laundry Bag, CA/LA/Gas Can George or KC, that TIES that Laundry bag to the home definitely. We have all assumed it is one of two Laundry Bags from the ANT’S house,” same type, etc., but the fingerprints were definitely tie it to the house WHEN they are the only one’s that had been there, KC would be SUNK AGAIN. I am sure the Defense planned to argue the Laundry Bag “was not the same as the one as the ANT’s have, even if it is the same brand, etc., it was something for the Defense to argue about.
imo, the Defense will find NOTHING & we will hear NOTHING on this. IF it implicates KC, the Defense does not have to share their information with the STATE. ONLY IF it implicates someone else or there is foreign DNA will we hear of it.
so — what is it???
Oye Vey! So, if they are looking for DNA (sperm) to try the sexual molestation angle, then wouldn’t that THEN mean the Nanny was a MAN? Gimme a break. And just the fact that they were going to send it to the Netherlands tells me they found a sleazy Lab that would probably “plant” DNA. I am not kidding. Those two defense attorneys are shady characters.
Now say they DO find skin cells, DNA, whatever…then will they want to test every male (OR female) in the State of Florida, will test Lee, George, Cindy, Casey, Amy, Jesse Tony etc. etc. to see if it matches any of them? And darn right if they do find something that matches The Family, it ties that bag right back to the house. Seems idiotic to me.
BJ, art tart I agree with all that you two are saying!
Red Heering, yes it is very interesting! Some people need to pay attention.
The Netherlands…hahaha-Think they are all orange-colored there? 🙂
I just have one question, how stupid does Mason really think people are?
He is saying “the duct tape was ONLY attached to Caylees hair, it was NOT attached to her any other place”
WELL DUH !! I wonder if the reason for that was, SHE HAD NO FLESH LEFT ON HER BONES!!
OMG I just want to slap that bunch of imbecilic morons.
Ina said, on September 28, 2010 at 4:07 pm I don’t think The Netherlands will mind lol. Not many people here know of this case. It looks like the State is tooooo scared that they will lose this case by using the best experts. LOL
Now we all know that really is not the truth now is it Ina?
Fact is they will not allow a NON- credited lab OUTSIDE the U.S. to have evidence that they might never see again because the court would not have power in another country.
If you are going to post here at least speak some truth.
Your tripe is really a very sad attempt.
Well, if the dynamic duo are planning on heading down the positive PSA/acid Po4 reaction road to determine a “sexual abuse” SODDI, good luck on THAT ONE as the elements of a 6 month soaking in swamp water will negate any reaction and as far as retrieving spermatozoa, NO WAY, JOSE……those critters HATE an acid environment, usually live 4-6 hrs as motile organisms, can hang around for up to 72 hrs but non-motile and “safe”. Now the genetic material (DNA which is going to be rather important to ID a SODDI!) is carried in the HEAD and oh yeah, the heads “snap off” cause the poor little critter is exhausted from using its tail for swimming….swimming through ANYTHING including the weave of cloth! The whole concoction becomes dry, cracks, splits and flakes and, poof, WASHES AWAY when H2O is applied! Now if the Gods of miracles and madness are working hard, there just might be some leukocytes left that were in the seminal fluid but again I say, don’t count on it!
Reminder for reality: the case will be built on circumstantial evidence brick by brick thus removing reasonable doubt of reasonable, rational, logical people.
YEP! I agree, that Mason seems more moronic than Baez at times, “so much for his reputation.” Mason irked me to death pissing & moaning about Amy H., what an idiot, oooooooooooo, Judge P scared me with that stare he gave Mason but Mason shut up, glad to know he at least that wasn’t over his head.
That’s true judypc, Mason thinks everyone is stupid but him, but, LOL, he is a loose cannon. I read somewhere yesterday that said when Judge P was telling Baez/Mason they would have to work weekends & evenings, Mason said, & the article said that Mason didn’t didn’t know his MIKE was on, whined he had trials & so did Baez.
Well TOO FREAKIN BAD! Baez should have had most of this work done 2 years ago. The thing that is SO funny to me is, KC is still LYING to her attorney’s or WHY would they go to the trouble w/the laundry bag & touch testing. I guess the defense is “praying for anything on the bag” anything to claim SODDI. LOL.
joypath, I agree with your comment, did you notice how confident Burdick/Ashton were? Bring it on Dumb/Dumber. imo, the test will be done & we won’t hear anymore about it! IF it is not favorable to the DEFENSE, we won’t know the results, I HOPE KC’s prints are on that Laundry Bag so the Defense realizes that at least “KC is consistent! She consistently LIES!”
I am surprised Baez didn’t suggest that Dr. Lee was available to fly to the Netherlands with Caylee’s shorts & Laundry Bag. Guess that’s why they are the DUH-fense.
yo Hola! said, on September 28, 2010 at 6:12 pm
so — what is it???
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Read, comprehend and learn………………………………..given time you might understand “what it is” and even get your screen name right.
Ina said: …blogs that alter evidence in a murder case like I witnessed on the Hinkey meter, are obstructing justice…
—i read the hinky daily ( please note the correct spelling ) i don’t seem to recall posts there from you regarding this altering of evidence/obstruction of justice…if, as you say, you posted the findings that you “witnessed” over “here” , that doesn’t help much over “there”.
it would be beneficial if you posted your discrepancies AT the site that you are mentioning.
Ina said:I don’t think The Netherlands will mind lol. Not many people here know of this case. It looks like the State is tooooo scared that they will lose this case by using the best experts. LOL
—if you had been paying attention to the hearing, the state is not concerned with LOSING the case, but are concerned with the netherlands losing the evidence, etc. ( as am i if idiots such as yourself are allowed anywhere near it.)
Ina said: Val, don’t make me laugh. Whom are you to threathen me? I am not afraid of you. What are you going to do, send a trojan?
—“threathen” is not a word. here’s a site that will interest you:
http://dictionary.reference.com/
Hi Woo. Sorry I didn’t respond to your question awhile back, went out of town. The answer would be “no, no link, just looking at pics from wftv”. Sorry for being so late…lol
The latest…
The screams could have been Cindy venting her anger/frustrations as she secretly looked.
DNA testing on Caylee’s shorts? I wouldn’t put it past Casey to have poured, placed or squeezed a substanced, full of DNA, from some type of “latex tube” (easily collected from her many encounters as she “looked” for Caylee) just to cover herself in case her lie’s failed.
Of course Baez has now time to talk anymore, he screwed off so much that now he has Judge ordered deadlines to meet or he gets in trouble.
OOPS…”Baez has no time”…OOPS
Ellejay, thanks for correcting my spelling. It is “The Netherlands” btw, with caps, as the word “I” to reflect yourself is also spelled with a cap. I. Just thought you liked me to return the favor.
Doug: “DNA testing on Caylee’s shorts? I wouldn’t put it past Casey to have poured, placed or squeezed a substanced, full of DNA, from some type of “latex tube” (easily collected from her many encounters as she “looked” for Caylee) just to cover herself in case her lie’s failed. ” I take it you mean a condom. I think it is a bit far fetched.
Ina said: Ellejay, thanks for correcting my spelling. It is “The Netherlands” btw, with caps, as the word “I” to reflect yourself is also spelled with a cap. I. Just thought you liked me to return the favor.
…no need, it wasn’t only the netherlands, and i, that i failed to capitalize—i use lower case always by choice.
…scrolling back through the posts, you should check out google.com——you would find the answers to your questions there, without having to rely on the posters here to constantly be providing information to you.
…i’m sure you’re aware, that you are regarded as pretty much a joke, a fake—if you armed yourself with some knowledge perhaps you’d be taken more seriously?
A great read: “The Battle of the Color Coded Charts!”
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/
There’s no doubt in my mind that bozo and Foghorn, I say, Foghorn Leghorn, found a couple of scientists to “prove” whatever they wanted them to prove. Nothing is too low for that pair of idiots. But they keep forgetting that almost everyone is smarter than the two of them are. LOL!!! I also just love that he was caught on mike blubbering he had trials & so did Baez.Watch and see if he uses that as an excuse to get himself out of this case. That pair of over-inflated goofs are literally too stupid to insult. Just like a couple of bloggers I can think of. Case in point: Yo Ho changed her screen name and made a typo when she changed it back. Gee. I wonder what other name she uses here?
Gotta run . . . that looks like a great link (Battle of . . . ), I’ll check it out later.
Not changing my name ….. it sometimes “disappears” and I have to enter it each time….. boy some think they “know” everything … when not.
FROM MY FACEBOOK In Session CASEY ANTHONY UPDATE:
Casey Anthony Updates Caylee’s death isn’t the first case where the cause of death was unclear. Remember Scott Peterson?
What Do Casey Anthony And Scott Peterson Have In Common?
http://www.wesh.com
The Casey Anthony trial will not be the first high-profile murder case where the cause of death was unknown. In the case of Scott Peterson, the trial ended with a death sentence. Wednesday, September 29, 2010.
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INDEED, this is NOT the first case where the cause of death was unkown! Peterson got the DP. What will Casey get?? How many people are convicted on SO much less than what the State has on her? Her attorney’s are just making her look more guilty. There is no hope for an aquittal. No hope for a NOt guilty. Casey is as guilty as they come.
art tart said, on September 29, 2010 at 4:44 am A great read: “The Battle of the Color Coded Charts!”
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/
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art tart, Gotta LOVE Trials and Tribulations! Jose got his Crayola’s out again!
Ina said, on September 28, 2010 at 4:07 pm
I don’t think The Netherlands will mind lol. Not many people here know of this case. It looks like the State is tooooo scared that they will lose this case by using the best experts. LOL
From having read your inane remarks and supposed facts over the past two years, I agree that not many people here (Netherlands) know of this case. I am including you in the ‘not many people.’ I will say one thing, you have been relentless in trying to disrupt blogs that discuss the Anthony case. Sadly, this case has been a nettle in your side for way too long but it gives you a platform to gain attention, even if it is negative.
I am in another country and you have certainly reminded me of that fact in not so nice a way. I am proud to say that I have not tried to insert the laws of my country upon the United States of America. How would you feel if the roles were reversed and Americans decided to tell you how to run your country? You have the choice to think about what I have said or counteract with a saucy remark. I can guess what your choice will be.
When I come to this blog to read, it reminds me of an old saying, “one rotten apple can spoil the whole barrel.” In your case, Ina, it is a CRAP apple.
Mason’s a Cluster (CENSORED) for the Defense. When K.B. of WFTV asked him “Do you think the FBI has missed important DNA evidence?” He replied, “There’s no evidence for them to miss”.
And when K.B followed up with, “Then why are you testing the Laundry Bag and Caylee’s shorts then?” Mason gave no reply, so K.B. asked, “Do you think she was sexually assaulted then?” And Mason said (Faintly) “no I don’t” then added “It has nothing to do with that”.
So if the FBI didn’t miss anything and she wasn’t Sexually assaulted, then why the DNA Tests? And in another one of your Cluster (CENSORED), you stated the area “WAS FLOODED” which means that any DNA would have been washed away/destroyed. So what exactly are you wasting the taxpayers money on these tests for?
And what’s up with him swinging that umbrella around?
And I understand why he doesn’t want to work Saturday’s, When you start drinking on Friday afternoons and don’t stop till sometime Sunday night, it would be headache to have to be in Miami on a Saturday and in a condition to work. Can’t Baez do it by himself? Or do they need to hold each others hands?
I don’t see how they can hold their heads up in Court, that last hearing was so (CENSORED) up, I couldn’t believe how disorganized they are. Baez staring at the ceiling and fumbling in both speach and papers. And Mason whining and the sitting at the Defense table looking like he was going to cry.
Love the Honorable Judge Perry. He’s making Baez nervous with the deadlines.
Hi Snoopy! You got THAT one’s number right!
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Doug, don’t even know where to start with your comment…LOL! I LOVE IT.
Cluster (censored), indeed! The whole defense team is (censored) up! And they are both whiny little (censored)!
From Trials and Tribulations:
“There was one ugly scene during the recitation of the names. When it came to Amy Huizenga, it was explained that she was working on a cruise ship and was only available on Saturdays when the ship docked in Miami. Cheney Mason approached the podium to tell the judge what HE thought of the idea of a trip to Miami on a weekend. He told the judge he didn’t care about her work schedule and she would just have to take time off for his convenience!”
I cannot believe this! OK, yes I can considering it is coming from Casey’s defense people! (I still have not had a chance to listen to the heatring).
He and Jose got some (censored)’s !! Amy has been around for a long time. WTH was Jose the A(censored) doing for the past 2 years??? For the love of G-d!
(Thank you, Doug Wollenberg for the “censored” thing !)
OK, I’ve had enough of this Casey Anthony (censored) for tonight!
Doug, great comment. Weren’t they the saddest couple of imbeciles you’ve ever seen? It’s hard to believe but they honestly seem to be getting worse ~ the shuffling of the papers, the stuttering and stammering, the most rude and offensive Foghorn, I say, Foghorn Leghorn, who used to be a game-changer and now can’t even hold his shame-face up when in court. Did you see the clown waving some of his colour-by-number hearing notes again? He was trying to demonstrate some point and would weakly wave some paper highlighted in red just begging the Judge to commend him on his handiwork but JP just didn’t acknowledge it in any way. Ha ha ha h ha!!! Maybe once this case ends they will run away from home and join the circus. Hee!
Doug W. excellent post!
Doug, I agree with my friends, excellent post! You sized “the Situation Up Perfectly” about the Status Hearing. A “CLUSTER it was!” LOL!
I agree with Bees, I think Dumb/Dumber are getting worse, confused, disconnected, stammering, LOL, a freak show indeed. It was just hilarious to hear them whining about Amy H., who, imo, has “taken the high road,” good for her that she has landed a JOB on a Cruise ship, I took a Cruise last year & the staff has a blasts, PLUS, the tips are great. AT least she has “a work ethic, something foreign to the skank.” Amy H. could have sold her story for mega $$$$$, BUT, she is a better person than the Anthony’s or the Defense.
LNY, thanks for link to WESH, I saw another 48 hrs. Mystery in which the “wife supposedly WALKED out of the home when the weather was 32 degrees.” She wasn’t found for a long time, when she was found at a creek bed , she was like Caylee, a Skeleton & the remains were scattered, it was ruled a homicide by “undermined means.” There was “nothing to tie her murder to her home EXCEPT that her husband was the last to see her & they had had marital problems. That scumbag is serving “LWOP!” It angers me when a married person murders their spouse, then the children bond with the only parent left failing to understand that the very parent they are clinging to, murdered the other parent. The only situation I can think of worse than Caylee’s.
Ellejay: if you don’t want to use caps, I think you should be consistent as it now looks like sloppy checking. I make a lot of typo’s and my English is not always the best. I know that 🙂 but if I appologize for it, I get my head bitten off too lol.
I hope this blog will once be about the law and the case again and no hissy fighting, it is very disruptive. What ever happened to the High Road?
Found this link, http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2010-09/56342160.pdf someone posted it on Baldaintbeautiful it is about a poll, it looks a bit official and I wonder if someone knows where to find the results. What would the results be for judge Perry, is it normal to do polls like this and how official is it? Is this the summum of democracy?
How do you meassure favoritism; is there a scale?
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-09-24/news/os-judicial-poll-story-20100924_1_orange-circuit-judges-judicial-poll-charles-n-prather found it, thanks S for sending me the link 🙂 Judge Perry and Judge Strickland scored equally high.
Is there a point?
Is there ever a point, mix?
http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2010-09/56342191.pdf Perry scored better than Strickland . These are the poll results.
Perry, Belvin
4.10 average
3.91 defense lawyers
5.00 presecution
Strickland, Stan
4.30 average
4.26 defense lawyers
4.50 prosecution.
This means Perry is absolutely loved by the Prosecution lawyers, max score there, and not so much aprreciated by defense lawyers.
Appreciated? Oh well, liked. 🙂
That’s because he doesn’t allow the shenanigans to go on in his court room. He’s “by the book” and that’s a GREAT thing in a judge…means less mistrials.
mixologist74 ————- fyi ….. mistrials are typically NOT CAUSED by a judge … he/she declares it… but … doesn’t necessary cause it!
PLEASE YOU GUYS, if you dont stop itching a rash it will never go away
Mr. Sheaffer said in his last article (above) that as long as what we’re hearing is a lot of white noise he has no reason to respond but I’m wondering if this latest request of the defense to allow touch dna evidence qualifies as a reason to give us a new article, and with that, a nice fresh page (hint, hint). I would just love to hear his opinion on Mason’s deplorable behaviour. Remember when he refered to Mason as a game-changer? Something has changed all right, but I don’t think it’s in the way that Mr. Sheaffer meant. What is going on?
Ina Infestation said, on September 30, 2010 at 10:29 am ===============
Must correct youi — one does not “Itch” a rash — the rash “itches” … do you mean “scratch?”
Also, what was so funny in the last hearing that it had both clowns red in the face from holding back laughter? I’m so puzzled by their terrible behaviour. Has he (Mason) always been such an offensive bully?
The blogger, OrlandoNative, made this comment about Mason at Hinky’s today:
“I would also like to add that I’ve had the pleasure of speaking with some people involved in LE in Orlando (friends) and with the family of a local attorney who is “watching” this case closely. They all know CM and believe that not only is he a piss poor excuse of an attorney on this case (in fact one of them mentioned slapping him if they saw him in person) but actually feel compassion for casey for the sorry excuse for representation the JB and CM are giving her. They’ve all stated the CM was an extremely effective and brilliant attorney in his day, but that he is making a mess of this case and both JB and CM or giving casey even more appeallate “material” on top of her normal DP appeals process. We all know that JB is a joke, but to hear people in LE and the legal community here verify to me that CM is as big a joke/issue as JB was somehow both validating to my thoughts and alarming for casey.”
Yo Hola! said, on September 30, 2010 at 8:08 am
How about if you read the part I typed before that? Or did you just want to do another hit-n-run? People here are getting tired of you.
mixologist74 said, on September 30, 2010 at 11:27 am
Yo Hola! said, on September 30, 2010 at 8:08 am
How about if you read the part I typed before that? Or did you just want to do another hit-n-run? People here are getting tired of you.
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HUH?????
Mason appeared to be giggling like a school boy whose friend is in front of the teacher playing the azz to entertain the rest of the class. It was when Baez said he wanted Casey to observe the jail staff depos. Initially I thought Judge Perry said, “say what??!!!” but he may have said “you what??!!”. Either way he was dumfounded.
Even though Baez did the talking I bet that it was Mason’s idea. What they’re trying to accomplish I have no idea. Similiar to Mason scheduling 35 LE depos for one day, effectively wasting their time by making them sit around waiting for a 10 minute interview instead of conducting investigations on behalf of victims of crimes. Because he can! He boldly stated there’s no rules that say he can’t so he will. The same thing applies to the depositions. I think Mason pushes the envelope simply because he knows Florida laws and he thinks it’s fun.
Shall I speak more slowly?
By not allowing the shenanigans in his courtroom, and making sure EVERYTHING is done according to the law, Judge Perry is making a mistrial way less likely. Do you understand now what I was trying to say?
Didn’t he look like he was waiting for a pat on the back because gosh darn it, he got through 28 of those 35 depos (Linda Burdick says 25 according to her list). He said it twice but Judge Perry did not applaud and repeated the same question that he had been asking for hours when will they be done?
Without the sarcasm …. yes, I did understand what you were trying to say …..
… but …. respectfully — rarely does a judge cause a mistrial. You need to calm down… not good for blood pressure!
“That’s because he doesn’t allow the shenanigans to go on in his court room. He’s “by the book” and that’s a GREAT thing in a judge…means less mistrials.”
I think the statement above is very clear. A good judge “doesn’t allow the shenanigans to go on in his court room” which reduces the chance of a mistrial being called (yes we all know) by the judge.
Oye va voy — typically a mistrial is called due to juror misconduct – witness misconduct or not being able to reach a conclusion. You all can believe what you want — but — facts are facts —
Mason appeared to be giggling like a school boy whose friend is in front of the teacher playing the azz to entertain the rest of the class. It was when Baez said he wanted Casey to observe the jail staff depos. Initially I thought Judge Perry said, “say what??!!!” but he may have said “you what??!!”. Either way he was dumfounded.
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Everyone seems to agree that he used to be a good lawyer. Early dementia?
Terrytsk, I KNOW!!! I was almost TOO embarrased for him. Perry didn’t acknowledge his bright red handiwork at all. Baez made a couple weak waves of the coloured paper but got nothing. HA HA HA!!!!
Yo Hola! said, on September 26, 2010 at 7:25 am
FYI — scooted around — and still didn’t see Vlhall’s curriculum vitae…..
Valhall said, on September 26, 2010 at 9:30 am
Yo hola,
I made this for you.
Click to access Valhallcv.pdf
I’m assuming I get to see yours next, right?
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Yo Hola,
Still waiting to see your “curriculum vitae”. or are you just all smoke?
BTW: Elements to declare a mistrial.
Some fundamental error caused in procedure.
Because it is discovered that a court lacks jurisdiction over a case.
Jurors were selected improperly.
Some misconduct prevents a fair trial.
A hung jury.
Red Herring said, ——– you’re so late……. Val and I have communicated!
Yo Hola! said, on September 30, 2010 at 2:43 pm
Red Herring said, ——– you’re so late……. Val and I have communicated!
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Yea, you said you were impressed, but you didn’t post yours since Val was gracious enough to post hers. I seriously doubt you have one. If so produce it.
Red Herring said, ———- not for you…… I don’t have a website nor do I profess anything…..
Yo Hola said,
“nor do I profess anything”
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EXACTLY! since it seems that your sole purpose is to disrupt the blog.
Red Herring said, ——————- yikes —- sorry —but you dod have issues………………
Totally turned off by two commenters-it’s always a disruption. Bye~
Ina said, on September 30, 2010 at 1:31 am
I hope this blog will once be about the law and the case again and no hissy fighting, it is very disruptive. What ever happened to the High Road?
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HA HA HA HA HA ha ha ha ahhhhh EH HE HE HE E he he he
The irony is rich indeed!
I haven’t been here in a bit, and I see that the defense hacks have invaded the place!
Mix: Your comment was crystal clear to those of us with the ability to read and comprehend a statement…….{{{{{{{{sigh}}}}}}}}}
I wish JA would have enumerated his problem with the self proclaimed, NON certified, dutch “experts”. I really wanted to hear that. I looked at their website, but it was full of PR only…..maybe the real “qualifications” and “certifications” were written in Dutch? Whoever said the screamteam found a couple of sleazy “scientists” probably hit the nail on the head.
Pitiful …. just so pitiful ————–
I saw two trials last year in which were declared “Mis-trials” due to the error of the Judges. It seems both Judges made mistakes when giving the Jury their instruction! What a CROCK! A mis-trial because a JUDGE screwed up.
I understood perfectly what mixologist74 stated & I agree.
Humnbleopinon has posted the Motions posted failed & granted. One of her “peeps” put it together! COOL!
http://humbleopinionforum.net/2010/09/30/judge-perry-taking-charge-motions-denied-granted-and-dismissed/
I really think the screamteam comes up with some of this off the wall (censored) from various TV shows. Several times I have watched a network show and think, gosh that sounds like jokin jose only to see the screamteam try the same nonsense! LOL I think foghorn fancies himself to be Denny Crane! LOL He wouldn’t make a good pimple on William Shatners behind! Not to mention, he isn’t as smart or as personable as the character of D Crane. And bozo ABSOLUTELY is no Alan!!!!! I know, because Alan is hot and bozo makes me throw up a little in my mouth! 🙂
Seriously, I think these two are dangerous. I didn’t say smart, I said dangerous to the American system of justice. Can you imagine if some idiotic judge somewhere (not CJ Perry, I am sure of that) rules favorably to some of this horse (censored)? I can see every rapist in FL demanding to sit in on the victims deposition because he can’t remember who he raped! LE would never be able to investigate a crime again because some sleazy ambulance chasing attorney would be busy stealing the evidence from the crime scene. Bogus labs would pop up all over the world and every defense creep would be shipping evidence to fake labs to get fake results. This irresponsible, perhaps even criminal, behavior needs to be stopped now. It is time for the Florida Bar to implement its mandate and police its own.
CHEESEANDRICE: No wonder there are so many bad lawyer jokes….there are plenty of bad lawyers! **** Present company excluded**** This moronic duo gives all attorneys a bad name….Please, to those HONEST men and women out there trying to do the right thing, take a stand against these “men” who demean your profession!
frankie, LOL, I think your right, Dumb & Dumber see something on TV, like “Ugly Coping” & think they will try it in KC’s case to “explain the lack of conscience that her child was missing (dead) for 31 days, & she was bumping & grinding at Fusion conducting her own investigation. The problem is, the girl that was accused & used “Ugly Coping” as a defense REALLY DIDN’T MURDER her husband UNLIKE KC, who did murder Caylee. UGLY COPING in KC’S case = Narcissistic Personality, self absorbed POS. You can’t GIVE someone a conscience IF they don’t have one, which KC does not. imo.
imo, if these two could ONLY explain WHY Caylee wasn’t reported missing by KC, EVER, is a much bigger problem than all the “smoke & mirror & the gaggle of attorney’s growing in numbers” as I am convinced there will be 12 good citizens of Fla. on that jury, that will say during deliberations ALL the things that appall us, EXCEPT, some will have only heard it for the first time. I remember how “appalled & angry I was when I heard Caylee was missing & watched everyday as KC told more LIES about where Caylee was” & wouldn’t help LE locate her. imo, this defense “underestimates the common sense of the jury.” They have begun to believe “their own propaganda spewed often in the press by the Press Conferences they call” which is laughable. I think the VERDICT will be a real awakening for the Defense, but hell, they will push each other down distancing themselves from KC as soon as the case ends.
I know they won’t, but I would so love for the jury to see that first arrest video. The one of her in the blue hoodie that she bought with money she stole from Amy……she has that snarky smirk on her face that tells you she murdered her child and could care less. She really thinks she has gotten one over on everyone.
Wow, I read all the stuff at Humble’s…looks like Judge Perry has been a busy boy this week. He’s anxious to get all the loose ends tied up and get this show on the road.
frankie, I would love for the jury to see the picture of KC & Lee when “High Fiving Each Other” after they navigated their way through the MEDIA for KC to go see LE. That picture really gives me the “creeps,” they thought they were so “smart,” KC’s ONLY agenda was ALWAYS to LIE, & for Caylee to continue to decomposing. JUSTICE is Coming!
mixologist74, BOY did he ever, “he really cleaned house.” I have been surprised that Judge P has been as “tolerant of Baez” as he’s been, imo, his patience will run out shortly. Baez trying “to schedule depositions on 12-1-10 is an indication that the Defense “has to be micromanaged” as Diane Tennis, D Casey’s former attorney, said “she had never seen.” Hell! This isn’t rocket science, IF she has been watching the poor performance of Dumb/Dumber in Court, seen Baez Lie, watch Dumber PERFORM in Judge S’s Court Room like he was running the show, she should UNDERSTAND this Defense “wants to continue to push their agenda & push the dates any way they can!” You gotta love Judge P! IF they can’t get it done, after two years, they better work “nights & weekends” as Judge P suggested.
Frankie!!! “from various TV shows” HAHAHA, that is funny and I think you’re right! But seriously, I shudder to think of what Florida’s future legal scene would look like if those two @sses managed to find a loophole. Can you imagine?!?! I wonder how many wanna-be sleaze lawyers and pathological parents are just itching for their own 15-min. of infamey? Scary thought. And at the same time all the credible news programs turn into Nancy Grace, JVM . . . is that what’s happening?
Mix, thank for the link of Humbles. Gone to check. (Hinky has a new one, too)
Why wouldn’t those photos be allowed?
Bees Knees: It will be interesting when the STATE & DUH-Fence argue about the “evidence to be allowed in.” Prepare for the DUH-fence to argue everything as I can’t think of a single video or photo that makes KC look like a loving parent, a lady, or acting appropriately. SHE IS WHO SHE IS!
Baez whined that the jail videos “painted an ugly picture of KC!” LOL, but then most of us don’t know “MY GIRL” the way he does! Remember in the very beginning when Baez was so “smitten with KC” & was smirking & smiling with her in Court? GONE is flirtatious mannerisms, yep, he gets it, probably realizes ALL that KC has LIED to even him about! She is just another sorry parent that murdered her child.
Something To Ponder
There were many trials in the Twentieth Century that were called “Trials of the Century”. Will the trial of Casey Anthony become the “Trial of the Twenty First Century? Will the words of Clarence Darrow once again be revisited by this Defense? Those who have followed this case from its inception are aware of the dysfunction in the Anthony family. Is Casey Anthony in the words of Clarence Darrow “a broken machine” and will she be spared the Death Penalty?
“Darrow’s twelve-hour plea to save the lives of his young clients has been called “the greatest courtroom speech in history.” When Darrow’s appeal finally ended, tears were streaming down the face of the presiding judge, John Caverly.”
Last but not least will the illustrious J. Chaney Mason in his final “Swan Song” try and play Clarence Darrow in the Trial of the Twenty First Century?
“The trial became a media spectacle. Held at Courthouse Place, it was one of the first cases in the U.S. to be dubbed the “Trial of the Century”.[16] Loeb’s family hired 67-year-old Clarence Darrow—a well-known opponent of capital punishment—to defend the men against the capital charges of murder and kidnapping. While the media expected Leopold and Loeb to plead not guilty by reason of insanity, Darrow surprised everyone by having them both plead guilty. In this way, Darrow avoided a jury trial, which he believed would most certainly have resulted in a conviction and perhaps even the death penalty.”
“The outcome of this trial has had repercussions to this day, as Darrow popularized the notion that a defendant might not be guilty of his crime because of his inherited traits—to use Darrow’s term, Leopold and Loeb were “broken machines.” [19]
[16] JURIST – The Trial of Leopold and Loeb, Prof. Douglas Linder. Retrieved November 1, 2007.
[19] Richard K. Gaither, “From Darwin to Darrow”, Cleveland: Simon & Shuster, 1984, p. 227
Other Source: Leopold and Loeb – wikipedia.org
One final thought: If we look at how the Anthony’s love Caylee in death do we now know how they loved her while she was living?
RH, yes, imo we do now know that the love they may have had for Caylee was not very deep, if it existed at all. For the first year I was under the impression that Cindy and George did love her very much but I’ve changed my mind. We can’t understand them NOT loving her because we DO. We try to make some kind of sense of them because we want to believe they are like us, but really they are not. There’s something deeply wrong with them. Not one of them are of any benefit to anyone that I can see. Did each of them plot to frame Jesse Grund? Yes. Even though it could have very likely ended with him receiving the Death Penalty. That’s the kind of people they are. Knowing he was innocent, they actively worked to destroy his life. Broken? Way beyond repair.
Red Herring, very interesting. imo, we know that CA equated “stuff” with love. Caylee had very few playmates or was rarely around other children that we know of which I find sad. WHY is that? It saddens me to think what KC did with Caylee “when CA/GA thought she was at work,” imo, it certainly wasn’t anything with Caylee as a priority because NO ONE KNOWS what Caylee did for two years, no one saw KC & Caylee at the park regularly so Caylee could even be around other children.. We know there was NO nanny! imo, KC layed up in the bed or played on the computer after GA/CA left for work & she locked the doors & let Caylee play in the house. Sad!
Bees Knees, I agree with your thoughts, if we could ONLY understand WHY the Anthony’s aren’t demanding JUSTICE for Caylee, maybe something would make sense. BUT! They haven’t & won’t demand JUSTICE for Caylee because that means KC will be held responsible. imo, the total lack of JUSTICE sought for little Caylee by her grand parent’s is too what makes this case sensational & sad.
Okay, someone help me out here.
Today the “new” hot shot death penalty lawyer that was said to be working for “FREE” turned in what would likely be her expenses to Judge Perry.
Seems this “FREE” lawyer is going to cost 20 grand.
Now, correct me if I am wrong here, but does that sound like she is “FREE”?
These expenses she said would be for travel, the cost of a P.I. and just a couple other minor little things.
Okay, again if I have gone brain dead, and struck stupid someone please jump right in and throw the net over me BUT.
(1) Isn’t Mister Mason death qualified?
(2) Hasn’t Jokin Jose had a P.I. hired?
(3) And, if you say “I’m working for free” then turn around and say, wellllll, on second thought maybe not……
Isn’t that just a wee bit shifty?
Now, my question is can this lawyer’s request be smacked down?
Will Judge Perry or the JAC say enough already?
judypc, LOL, I was just reading the same thing & am appalled. PRO BONO = NO CHARGE! BUT! She really wants YOU, a taxpayer of FLA. to pay $20,000.00 for expenses!
Aren’t her request redundant? Baez has a PI & if I recall, there was a limited amount of money that could be spent on the PI for all the attorney’s, maybe 2 or 3 thousand, I can’t remember. The PI just sent the JAC another bill claiming he was unable to get in touch with people etc. There is a CAP on the PI amount.
A Lyons had HER OWN mediation person that has spent an enormous amount of time preparing information for the penalty phase & is probably still working.
I just can’t see Judge P allowing these additional charges. I would be interested in what she wants a PI to do that Baez’s PI hasn’t already done. Is this a TEAM Effort, or is this Finnel taking over?
It seems Lyon’s had done the bulk of the work preparing all the MOTIONS opposing the DP.
That is a thought, even if Judge P okayed these ridiculous expenses, the JAC could refuse to pay them, I bet she will have a fight on her hands on this.
http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/25243535/detail.html
judypc, Finnel wants $ 7,000 for a psychologist in which Baez has already had one visiting with KC, a Dr. Gold I think, & she wants $ 4,500.00 for TRAVEL expense to see the Anthony’s.
At one of the Hearings, Baez ask Judge P for “expenses, I assume gas, etc.” to be paid by the JAC for voir dire, where ever the jurors are picked from the Defense/State will have to drive there. Of course the jurors will be brought to Orlando when the Trial begins but this is just for Voir Dire.
Judge P replied that IF KC only had one Attorney the “gas charges would be paid” but said NO because KC has so many Attorney’s. Baez was clearly unhappy about that. I read somewhere that Baez can bill to JAC his “office expenses” & they will pay them.
I would be shocked IF Judge P allowed these expenses since the defense team has been “bilking the JAC for Psychologist & PI’s already.
judypc, I found this at WS, it is referring to what I mentioned in the Status Hearing that Baez ask for “expenses” for traveling.”
Judge P said:
“JAC stated that they do not pay expenses for pro bono attorneys if they are not the solo lead attorney.”
It would seem that Mason was technically be the “Lead Attorney” as he is Death Penalty Qualified & Baez isn’t, but there certainly isn’t a SOLO attorney at the helm. With the “gaggle of attorney’s KC has & A Lyon’s leaving the team stating expenses, she had to pay her own air fare, what balls Finnell has to request $4,500.00 to travel to see the Anthony’s. HELL! The ANT’s are just living off Caylee, let the Anthony’s drive to see Finnell, then CA can tell Finnell everything she wants to know & then some!
Judy, as I understand the ruling, the JAC will pay for all reasonable expenses, travel, per diem, postage etc including investigators the same as a court appointed attorney would be able to do. The proviso for a por-bono attorney is that they cannot bill the JAC for hours spent working on the case which is the larger sum of the equation. Also of note, Ann Finnell, an expert on the death penalty is apparently replacing Ms Lyon and, Dorothy Clay Sims specializes in cross-examining medical experts It would be interesting to see the expense report that justifies the 20 grand though. Judge Perry has to sign off on those expenses before the JAC approves them as well and pays them as I understand it. I would bet that JP has a big red pen to scratch out anything he thinks is unjustified.
Red Herring, the JAC wouldn’t pay Ms. Lyon’s air fare or her expenses. The exception is that in this case, KC has so many attorney’s as Judge P has already told Mason & Baez when they just ask for expenses to travel to Voir Dire & they were denied. imo, that’s why we aren ‘t seeing much of LK Baden, she doesn’t want to pay the Air Fare from New York to Orlando Round Trip.
IF KC only had one Lead attorney, just as KC would have ONE Public Defender, some of the expenses would be paid but as has been pointed out, there are many attorney’s involved in this case, hardly reasonable when a Public defender would be one person & as Judge P has told this team, one attorney’s expenses would be paid..
I don’t think Judge P will allow these expenses since there is already a PI & those expenses are “capped.” There is already a “psychologist” that has worked 5 hours, & there is already someone in place that has worked countless hours “gathering information that A Lyon’s brought in.” I can’t see these fees would be duplicated at the taxpayer’s expense. imo, they not reasonable, they are duplicated, Finnell is just late joining the team, it appears Lyon’s has already done the bulk of the work. jmo.
art tart said,
My bad art, I just went back and looked at the rulings. :blush:
I really want to see how she can justify $4500 in traveling from Ocala to Orlando! WTH is she going to do, run over there every 15 minutes? Or dine on surf&turf, breakfast, lunch and dinner? OMG, it is like an hours drive! Unless she is staying overnight, why should the taxpayers even buy her lunch? And why would she need to stay overnight? BS BS BS !! and I do NOT mean Bill Sheaffer!
@Red Herring said, on October 1, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Something To Ponder ****
Indeed! Very interesting, especially the point about how much the anthonys loved Caylee. It is a conundrum how one can believe the anthonys loved in life a child that they ignore in her demise. I believe Caylee was a burden to the anthonys. I think they said the words and lived the lie, but essentially, Caylee was a burden to them. I have encountered many, many adults that claim to love a person because they were related, but realistically cared very little for that person. My mother never said a simple “I love you”, it was always, “Of course I love you, you’re my daughter”. Big difference. I made it a point to tell my children that I loved them because they were who they were, not because they were my children. I think the anthonys were like that….they loved Caylee because she was their granddaughter and the world expected they would. The playhouse has bothered me forever…..Caylee was very young. I can’t put my finger on why the playhouse bothers me, it just does. Also, I haven’t seen any picture of Caylee playing with anything or even toys lying about as though she had been playing with them. Now I know the anthonys are supposed neat freaks and, good gracious, I know I am not…..but never a toy lying on the couch, on the coffee table or the floor? Seems a bit unnatural to me…..but that is just me.
OOOPS… I see she is from Jacksonville not Ocala….not a heck of a lot of difference, IMO about an hour longer!
To me it seems defense is abusing state funds, seems when Mad-dog Mason joined the team the BIG deal was he is this whoop azz death penalty qualified mega brain lawyer that was going to have fun winning this case all on his own, he was going to really take the state back to school.
Why do they need 15 freakin lawyers?
Looks like they are not so sure of their qualifications after all, and excuse me Jokin Jose has or had over a ¼ mil handed to him, some of that should have been set aside to pay for their excessive need to LAWYER UP.
This case is becoming a huge joke,
when TIJ took a case for an indigent client PRO BONO we traveled at our own expense, we used our own people who all worked for free, we more than once slept in a family members spare room, on their sofa and a few times on their floor.
And to this day that teams record STILL beats Lyons.
It can boast that it actually got people not only OFF of the TEXAS death row, BUT released from prison as a free proven innocent person.
Good morning all!. Wow, lots to catch up on here. Been reading the newest entry in the Anthony EncycLIEpedia at Hinkey’s and then wandered off the links left by commentrers and now I am hausted! LOL!
Seems to me since B&M (no, silly not BM!, but is fits) are not getting paid the big bucks, they are trying to “farm out” the work to other’s who “say” they are working for free (pro-bono), so they can make money elsewhere (other clients). Call me crazy, but if these “pro-bono’s” are working for free, doesn’t that mean they believe their client is not guilty and thefore would not want to be reimbursed for “lunch”, et al in the name of truth and justice! LOL!
This murder trial should NOT be taking the amount of time it is. It is just ridiculous. Expecially due to the fact that Casey is 100% guilty.
If the DP wasn’t on the table (“Death is Different”), would it have gone to trial already and been over with already? If so, I almost wish the SAO went for LWOP. But if they did, would she heave “plead”?
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Gee, frankie, I pay for my own lunch during work hours!
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Hi Bees, art, Judy
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Red Herring said, on October 1, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Something To Ponder
hanks, Red. That was an interesting read yesterday! (Sure do hope it won’t take 12 HOURS for whoever is going to beg for Casey’s life…Who’s will THAT task be?
BTW, I am not “hausted” BUT EXhausted!
LNY,
“Who’s will THAT task be?”
“Last but not least will the illustrious J. Chaney Mason in his final “Swan Song” try and play Clarence Darrow in the Trial of the Twenty First Century?”
This one I believe.
judypc — you wrote: “…This case is becoming a huge joke,
when TIJ took a case for an indigent client PRO BONO we traveled at our own expense, we used our own people who all worked for free, we more than once slept in a family members spare room, on their sofa and a few times on their floor.”
Are you a lawyer?
Hi Red, first of all I should have said “Who’s task will that be”, I said it a$$ backwards. LOL! Yeah, I think Mason will be long-winded, as well. Will he quote Clarence Darrow? Is that where his “fun” will start? Would A. Lyon’s have done a better job, had she satyed on? WILL Casey get the DP? We will have to stay tuned…
And I want to go back and finish reading about Clarence Darrow and the whole crime committed.
I’m curious about the request for $20,000 to go towards mitigation. Does a new lawyer mean all of the work Lyon’s team put in become redundant and they start from scratch? Jeanine Barrett and Mortimer Smith have put in a lot of hours all ready, many of them billed to JAC but it sounds like they want to duplicate the work. Or I guess they may need to explore certain issues further. Different strategy?
The defendent was three years old when she moved from Ohio to Florida. How much of a history could she possibly have had there? That tells me they are researching her parents and extended family’s backgrounds. I wonder what skeletons will come out of the closet.
Red Herring, I think the problem lies with ALL the big egos that are on the Defense Team. I can certainly see where Finnell might have a “wish list,” too bad it seems the things she wants, which would seem reasonable had Baez NOT already used all the monies alloted & had Lyon’s not done the job before her. We never know what Judge P will do when ruling, we will have to wait & see.
I wonder if Finnell will “tire of Dumb/Dumber,” their unprofessional behavior, I wonder if A Lyon’s is laughing when watching the two in Status Hearings & can view them objectively now, I wonder IF Lyon’s is appalled at the money that was wasted on KC’s defense & not much accomplished but all the “work she did on the DP that had to be done, I can’t imagine that Mason could have performed the work she did.”
LindaNewYork, I agree, these PRO BONO lawyer’s that have piled on this bull chit case of a mother that murdered her only child, want the MEDIA exposure & want to participate on the trial on TV but they “really don’t want to be out expenses.”
frankie, I agree, it doesn’t matter how close or how far Finnel is from the Anthony’s, SHE PAYS just like LK Baden & A Lyon’s did who had to pay air fare to participate.
judypc, Everything this defense does, they “promote themselves, blow bull chit in the media, claiim KC is innocent, then it fizzles & they look like idiots! Just like blaming J Grund, all the whining about TES, now, they are being looked at about their PI participating in “dummied documents.” They NEED to SHUT FREAKIN UP & get it done, this grandstanding is embarrassing, & they continue to appear incompetent. imo.
GET IT DONE!
Mrs.
No I am not.
I am going to check today to see what amount of money Judge P ruled that the Defense could spend on a Private Investagator, but, the JAC is being billed for the PI’s time whether he gathers information or not, which is customary, but seems to be burning through the money awarded.
FROM WFTV:
WFTV obtained state financial records, which show how the defense has spent $14,000 of taxpayer money defending Casey. Its private investigator, Jeremiah Lyons, has spent hundreds of taxpayer dollars attempting to interview dozens of witnesses without success. The private eye’s explanations included wrong addresses and unanswered doors.
http://www.wftv.com/news/25193388/detail.html
Wrong addresses? He must not be a very good PI. LOL
Judypc — was out earlier … just saw your response.
Sorry, I thought are an attorney. I guess I got mislead since you referenced “we” as you said: “PRO BONO we traveled at our own expense, we used our own people who all worked for free, we more than once slept in a family members spare room, on their sofa and a few times on their floor.” Thanks for the clarifcation.
The colossal ego, failure and welshing of J. Chaney Mason
During the Nelson Serrano Trial; Cheney Mason: “You’d be stretching your imagination to believe you could drive that distance, in the traffic, and get there, and be able to commit this crime. I do not think so”.
Mason: “I challenge anybody to show me, I’ll pay them a million dollars if they can do it.” (in my opinion a verbal contract said in open court)
Dustin S. Kolodziej, who was a law student at South Texas College of Law at the time, followed the Serrano case. He saw Mason issue the challenge and decided to accept it. He wanted to see if he could prove that the prosecution’s theory was correct and that Serrano could have murdered these three people.
In December 2007, just after the tenth anniversary of the murders, Kolodziej traveled to Georgia to accept the challenge. He retraced Serrano’s alleged route, flying from Atlanta to Orlando, driving to the scene of the murders, then, flying back to Atlanta. Kolodziej made the last leg of the journey from the airplane to the La Quinta within the required 28 minutes.
Kolodziej sent a video of his trip along and a demand letter to Mason, who responded that his challenge was “just a joke and that certainly neither you reasonably or anybody else could think that there was a clear intention to pay anybody a million dollars or any other amount”. Mason refused to pay Kolodziej the promised $1 million.
It seems to me that the Practice of Law to Cheney Mason is a “joke” and he does it for “fun”. How does that work for you Foghorn? Nelson Serrano is sitting on Death Row and you owe Dustin Kolodziei a million bucks, which to my knowledge you have never paid nor ever intended to. Casey Anthony doesn’t have a chance in hell of being acquitted (not that I want her to be) with the likes of Mr. Mason directing the “Dream Team”. I have to laugh a bit when I type Dream Team since it will be their worst nightmare.
Red Herring, I saw the “Serrano Murders” on a 48 hrs. or a Dateline, ironically, it is one of my favorites in that two of the murder victim’s were young & had families, both beautiful. The Defendant was a real a$$ & had really thought he had gotten away with murder.
I didn’t know the “background information you shared about Mason & the challenge he proposed,’ I agree with your comment. Mason is a “loud mouth blow hard that is a JOKE himself.” I think, he thinks it is “great showmanship to boast & run his mouth in the media & thinks he is so much smarter than those that follow the case.” He again, will be made to look like a bigger fool. He should have just retired & kept his mouth shut but gosh, his “over estimation of his own abilities” wouldn’t allow it. He will be remembered as a moron, imo.
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Mrs. Curious, judypc has a legal background, I work with special needs children & in my early twenties, was an artist & sold my paintings. We all bring our background into the case, interpreting the available information by our own experiences, work backgrounds, & following true crime cases, I bet you do as well.
MONEY FINNELL WANTS FOR TRAVEL!
We had all discussed the money Finnell wants for travel to visit the Anthony’s,the $4,500.00, LOL, I assumed it was to see CA & Gas Can George as many of you did. I was reading at WS today & it was stated Finnell wants this money to VISIT THE ANTHONY relatives in OHIO! LOL!
BUT! Just as LK Baden & L Lyon’s travel were not paid by the JAC, I don’t expect the newbie attorney’s will be paid either.
Mrs.
I did case research and profiles.
Often when we were contacted a case was already through the courts and the person was convicted, often a case was years old.
We would receive a call from a family member or a letter from the one in prison asking for help.
Since we had very limited resources we had to first decide if we could or should take on the task.
We only took cases where we felt 100 percent that the person was innocent.
I worked with some great lawyers, one of the best forensic men, and a P.I. often family members were also put to work doing document recovery and research.
It was an experience I would not trade for anything.
Red Herring, The colossal ego, failure and welshing of J. Chaney Mason. LOL! I love it!!! I’m just dying to hear some other attorney’s theory as to how Mason went from a successful, respected lawyer to a foolish, egotistical bully. I’m actually hoping Mr. Sheaffer will take a stab at it for us.
You know if I was a juror and saw that the State had two attorneys, and the Defense had 15, I would interpret that to indicate the defendant was guilty. Why else would anyone need 15 lawyers? Seriously. I’ll bet the two not-so-funny clowns think that it is impressive to be flanked with over a dozen lawyers but I think it makes their case look weak. I really do. Every one of those lawyers are looking for their 15 minutes and that’s all and it won’t take the jury long to figure that out. All the State has to do is stick to the simple truths in the case. No need to complicate things which is what the Defense will attempt to do and they will lose the jury by doing so. That’s my opinion anyway.
Even as I was typing it I knew it wouldn’t be right that any attorney would be able to, or even want to speak about another. Mr. Sheaffer, just ignore me above. I’m just sleepy.
Terrytsk said, on October 2, 2010 at 11:14 am
The defendent was three years old when she moved from Ohio to Florida. How much of a history could she possibly have had there? That tells me they are researching her parents and extended family’s backgrounds. I wonder what skeletons will come out of the closet.
~Terrytsk, I cannot imagine how many skeltons they have in the closet. LOL!
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mixologist74 said, on October 2, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Wrong addresses? He must not be a very good PI. LOL
~HA-that was good!
OK, gotta go to that WFTV link to see for myself how stupid the PI is.
LindaNewYork, there is a bit of history in Ohio.
There Gas Can George’s father owned a “successful USED Car Lot!” Gas Can George had been working 10 yrs. for LE but CA thought GA should go to work for his father in which he did.. GA & his father got into a “fight at work & GA threw his father through the Plate Glass Window at his father’s Car Lot.” (I think his father pressed charges against GA & it is on GA’s record & that’s why he could no longer work in LE when he moved to Fla.) GA then OPENED his own USED Car Lot, & it bellied up, the Anthony’s have had two bankruptcies & moved to Fla. Seems the family has always been financially irresponsible.
CA is also Gas Can GA’s 2nd wife, he was married to the first one 5 yrs., no children. His first wife’s brother has had a lot to say about GA, mostly that he was a “pathological liar.”
imo, the behavior of CA/GA has had them alienated from the Anthony Ohio Family, even though I think some of GA’s family from Ohio came to Caylee’s memorial.
SO! Maybe Finnell thinks it is “hereditary! BAD behavior!” BUT! There is no evidence of GA murdering anyone! LOL~!~
This is just a hunch on my part, but I think defense is gearing up to throw ol Georgie under all four wheels of the bus.
I think a claim of abuse will be made on both Casey & Caylee.
George unknowingly at the time placed himself as one of the last people to see Caylee alive.
The ground work has already been laid for the abuse charges, George has also stated “he bought the duct tape at Lowes” in one statement he said “he opened the trunk” he has also stated “he had keys to the car”.
Casey can say she was
(1) afraid of her father.
(2) protecting her father.
When she made up the story about Zanny, my bet would be “she will say she stayed silent out of fear, that after years of abuse from him she was afraid he would kill her too.
Advise Georgie to hire a Good lawyer just for HIM.
Because I will lay a dollar on the table to bet Cindy will back Casey, she is then free of the free loading George and does not have to pay him support like with the divorce.
Its a win- win for Cindy, she can then sell her story to 48 hours and smile all the way to the bank.
Hi art tart. I remember about the Used-Car lot and George and his father, and do remember George mentioning the first wife in one of his interview, but never heard anything about the ex-bro-in-law. Gonna try to look around for that one.
Hi judypc. I believe your hunch will be right. BUT just how many people can the defense bring up as resonable doubt, before it is absurdley UNreasonable?!
Moring judypc & LindaNewYork,
I agree, Gas Can George is doomed, He is & always will be the weakest link. He is UNSTABLE imo at times with horrible body language, rolling & batting his eyes like in the Civil Depo, screaming at protestor’s & hurling the water hose like it is a weapon, & that nasty temper. The Sexual Abuse allegations don’t help with his ridiculous letters to KC always starting with “Hey Beautiful, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. YUK!!
MAYBE the Defense is hoping to find GA’s DNA on the Laundry Bag but then to expose GA’s prints if they are there, they would have to expose everyone else’s.
Most definitely a possibility!
Haven’t been on in a bit — what are you all saying? George wil take the fall??
any newly released information to this end?
I don’t think George will/would be “willing” to take the fall. After all he didn’t murder Caylee. And if Casey is a willing partner in letting her defense team point the finger at her father then she is more of a POS than I already think she is. Actually, she is already letting her defense team point the finger at everyone else. She needs to woMAN up and take responsibility fr what she did.
And George should have manned up long ago andstop this crap with trying to get Casey “off” of the charge of murdering Caylee. He KNOWS! They all know.They are all just despicable.
Excuse me …. maybe I’m off base — but — I’m a bit confused about your statement that George needs to “man up” …. it’s his daughter that’s been charged. What should he do? Whether he knows details for not?
mrs curiious – For starters, Gas Can George can quit lying, grow a back bone, get a freakin job & quit living off his grand daughter, get thearpy & quit dispensing advice as it is clear to most of us that GA KNOWS nothing about missing children & take some advice from professional counseling, increase the dosage his meds, quit going to the tanning bed & read self help books on “how to stand up for your murdered grandchild.”
The list is endless but I already have a headache this Sunday Morning, GA, the mental midget needs to “try to remember WHAT HE LIED about between his Grand Jury Testimony & his State Deposition!
Wow –sorry you aren’t feeling well,…. but …. are you saying George lied in his Grand Jury testimorny and state depositon — or since giving them? Just started learning about this case….
YO Hola, read up thread starting with the Link I listed for WESH in which it states Finnell, the DP attorney taking Lyon’s place is asking for $20,000.00 in expenses. The expenses have already been paid to other’s so it’s like she is “re-inventing the wheel, it is not likely that Judge P will grant her “wish list but I may be wrong.” Judge P “will be the judge of that!”
Finnell wants $4,000.00 in air fare to go to OHIO to visit Anthony relatives, I assume with the PI in tow. LNY pointed out that KC only lived in Ohio for a few months of her life, so Finnell is looking for information on GA/CA. I listed a little of the history of the Anthony’s in Ohio before they moved to Fla. & was only able to buy the house on Hopespring because they ASSUMED someone’s mortgage after two bankruptcies.
judypc predicts GA is going to be thrown under the bus. We know that WFTV has already reported that GA was “being investigated by the Defense,” although Conway tried to “dismiss the allegations & claiming it was normal,” imo, judypc is “spot on” in her predictions for Gas Can GA.
GA & KC were the LAST know “real people, not the imaginanny to see Caylee,” which puts GA in a vulnerable position & add his “instability,” GA’s got problems!
LNY: I say get ready for it, KC doesn’t have a conscience so in her mind, throwing GA under the bus is a better option in her mind than her taking any responsibility, jmo.
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Hey, Linda, Art, Mrs.
Lets face it Linda, Casey will never accept responsibility she could care less who gets tossed under the bus as long as it is not her.
She would let them hang George without so much as a blink.
She sees herself walking away free as a bird with a big story to sell for big bucks, and as long as they restrict their reasonable doubt theory to George at trial the jury will only consider that theory, not the other dozen they have tossed up this past 2 years.
Art.
George went from the person most people thought would break to showing what a complete and utter worthless piece of human waste he is in a very short time.
At trial if it is brought out that he gambled away the family’s saving, sponged off of Cindy for twenty years, physically abused his elderly father, and then there is also something to do with fraud in regard to workers comp back in Ohio and a dirty doctor that served as county coroner.
They can also produce video where he attacked the elderly women on the street, as well as that teen aged boy, the car chase where he attempted to run the women off the road.
Used other women for their money, sexually abused Casey, and then Caylee.
The abuse is well documented, by statements from Casey to Jesse & Tony, as well as a report done by Dominick Casey, then if Cindy backs up Casey and says Yes she came to her as a child and told that George had abused her.
By his own admissions he has placed himself as one of the last people to see Caylee on that final day, he has stated he bought several rolls of the duct tape at Lowes on sale, he had keys to the car, Casey put him in the car by her statement that he had run over some animal, he had access to every item found with the body and linked to the home.
Lets not forget also his statement to Casey at the jail, about talking to Caylee from the back yard at night “saying “Look Caylee, we are looking at the same stars and moon ”
His so called suicide attempt could be turned against him as his guilt was weighing to heavy on him.
Honestly, I could walk into that court and give the jury many reasons to look at George.
Of all the ones they have pointed their finger at, George is the easiest to bury.
mrs. curious, if you are just learning the case, this is a good place to start on reading, it doesn’t take long, it will only take you up to when Caylee was identified. I hope they complete this when the Verdict comes in.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/family/caylee_anthony/1.html
Another good site is the Hinky Meter, in which Valhall has a “library of all the people involved, many many articles on the case & science information.”
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
GA lied in either the Grand Jury Testimony OR the State Deposition, both under Oath, but imo, it is probably in the STATE Depo that he lied as GA was trying to be honest in the beginning when the Grand Jury Convened, in the State Depo KC was facing the DP & GA realizes KC murdered Caylee & was trying to lie for KC, jmo.
judypc, OMG! I had forgotten some of the examples you listed. The thing too about Gas Can GA that I think LNY contributed, getting rid of Gas Can GA might be the answer to CA’s prayers, NO ALIMONY! He would not get 1/2 of the house that they defaulted on, he wouldn’t get PROCEEDS from the “scamming deal” they are putting together w/Jim L hoping to get rich.
Though, imo, Gas Can George would never be charged, he certainly is a “viable Reasonable Doubt suspect” & could be “dumped on during the trial.” It probably wouldn’t take much for the Defense to “push his buttons & GA expose himself as the nut he is like he did in the Civil Deposition, a complete & despicable character.”
Remember in Scott Peterson’s trial, Garagos tried to “implicate roving gangs, etc.” & the defense never got off the ground, in KC’s case, GA can easily be implicated.
His spiral from “wanting to do the right thing in the beginning to the man we have come to know” just shows to me, that people “can’t change who they are, they always resort back to the person they were, it is what is normal to them.” GA thinks he’s normal!
Hi Judy. I’ve never thought there was any incestual abuse between anyone in the family but you say there was. Is it documented by anyone other than casey? If it only came from her and Dominic C. I just can’t get behind them on that. Zero credibility for casey and strong hinky feelings about Dominic. But if there are other sources I would like to learn more. Can you provide any links?
Please, please correct me if I’m wrong but in order for the defense to use any story, other than casey’s signed statement at the time of her arrest, it would mean she would have to take the stand in the trial, right? And despite the enormous entertainment factor that would provide people like me (heh, heh, heh . . . ), I don’t think the defense will let her. Unless she insists and I guess that could happen too, she seems to believe she’s a convincing liar although all reality should show her she’s not.
Does anybody think there’s some unknown element in this case? I don’t mean someone else killed Caylee, we all know casey did. but just something that if we knew what it was it would help us understand why this case has received so much attention, why did entertainment get involved immediately, why are judges treating bozo with kid gloves, why does it seem like LE has bent over backwards for this family of sociopaths, why does she have fifteen attorneys (pro bono). . .why, why, why? Please don’t laugh at me if I’m being overly dramatic. It just about always feels like shifting sand beneath my feet, or a real-life farce like “The Emperor Has No Clothes.”
I can’t argue the point that the Defense wouldn’t point the finger of suspicion at GA however, you must remember MMO. Motive, Means and Opportunity. One, what possible motive would George have to off his only granddaughter whom I believe he really did, at one time, love? Two, he certainly had the means but I doubt he had the cajonies to do something so heinous. And three, by her own admission, Casey said she gave Caylee over to the invisinanny. George may be a liar, a loose cannon and an all around jackass but I don’t believe for a minute that if Casey could cast the blame on him, she would in a New York minute. If we are talking obstruction and lying to LE, that I can go along with.
I was going to write a different comment about this but I suppose this will suffice. While to some, May might not be that far away but to others, it is and eternity. The Defense isn’t through tainting the Jury pool, where ever they are chosen from. If and I do mean if this ever goes to trial voir dier is going to be crucial. Fifteen lawyers in this case is a cluster f__k. To think that they can do voir dier it in a week is ludicrous.
Why do I say “if” this goes to trial? I believe as I cited in the Serrano case above that Casey will have no choice but to plead guilty to save herself from the DP. I can see the mitigating factors that will weigh heavily in sparing her life ie childhood abuse, neglect and extremely poor parenting on the part of George and Cindy Anthony. As I said earlier, she is a “broken machine”, not just badly bent.
Excuse me, not the Serrano case but the Leopold and Loeb case.
As if it isn’t obvious enough…mrs curious=our good ol friend yo hola!
Derrrrrr LOL
While the defense may chose to identify “somebody” as a SODDI, they had better do it without naming names unless there is some solid evidence to indicate that there is another perp. Both parties have to function under the points of evidence implicating activity beyond those tossed out as “news bites” and yes, it does not mean that the defense has to prove her as not guilty but they can’t just toss the Orlando, or heck the entire FLA phone directory, at the jury and say “pick somebody else” without some “back-up”. Good ole Gorgie might have tall storied himself into the role of accomplice by putting his eyeballs on them as they “left the family compound” but Inmate Anthony remains the responsible guardian who WROTE that she turned over her child to INVISINANNY.
Bees.
I can’t swear there was abuse by George all I can say is I do believe there was, my point in the post today is of all the people the defense has pointed their finger at George is the one that is easy to throw under the bus.
I whole hearted believe Casey killed Caylee, but I also think she would sell her dear ol dad down the river in a hot minute, I also believe Cindy would back her.
And George by his own admissions and actions have given defense the perfect patsy.
If I were the defense I would have no problem selling George as the sod.
Thanks Judy. George is a weird one. But, in order to change THE STORY to George, not Zanny, being the Nanny, wouldn’t casey have to take the stand?
I’m starting to believe Ina and theJBMission are right about Casey’s innocence. Hang in there Zuben!
judypc said, on October 3, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Used other women for their money, sexually abused Casey, and then Caylee.
The abuse is well documented, by statements from Casey to Jesse & Tony, as well as a report done by Dominick Casey
judypc said, on October 3, 2010 at 3:30 pm
I can’t swear there was abuse by George all I can say is I do believe there was
First you say there was and then you back peddle and say you believe there was. “and then Caylee”. Where did that come from? From reading here you act like the only opinion that is valid here is yours. I can see why this blog has so few contributors. Sorry but your tabloid nonsense wouldn’t last a day on a moderated blog and your lack of legal knowledge is glaring.
“And George by his own admissions and actions have given defense the perfect patsy.
If I were the defense I would have no problem selling George as the sod.”
If you were the defense they would laugh you out of court with that convolution. It is a good thing you are not an attorney.
@Bees, they will not change to George being the sod and no, Casey would not have to take the stand even if in the remotest possibility the defense proffered that ridiculous scenario. No offense to you for your question.
HA, I thought so to mix but decided to put my 2 cents in regarding the comment about George taking the fall. YOu can change your name, but not the writing style.
I’m still on the fence about any sexual abuse in the family. As Bees pointed out, this has only come from Casey’s mouth. I believe it was to garner symapthy/attention. She has many “stories”. I have a hard time believing one over another.
Well Student of Snark lets review shall we?
Has the claim been documented?
Yes.
It has been in statements by Jesse & Tony.
It has also been in letters written in Casey’s own hand.
It has as well been documented in a report by D. Casey.
And do you honestly think it will not show up in the shrinks report come trial time?
My statement of “ I can not swear to it, but believe it”
Since I was not there in that house I dare say I can not swear it happened, CAN you swear it did not?
No back peddling just fact.
As for Caylee, I simply said “THE CLAIM, could be made” by Casey & the defense.
That of all the people the defense has tossed up in the air, George is the one that they could float.
As for other blogs, I have yet to be ask to leave any of them, could be because I do not act snotty.
And I promise a good defense lawyer would have no problem selling George to the jury as the SOD.
Do I believe he killed Caylee? H–L No, do I believe Casey would help throw him under the bus? H–L Yes.
Bees Casey will never have to take the stand, and I doubt defense would be willing to put her on it, the state would have a field day tearing her apart.
She can insist on it and the defense would then have to put her on, the fact that the accused does not take the stand is not to be held against them by the jury.
judypc said, on October 3, 2010 at 7:25 pm
It has been in statements by Jesse & Tony. = Hearsay will not be allowed in.
It has also been in letters written in Casey’s own hand. = Suspect from a known liar.
It has as well been documented in a report by D. Casey. = Hearsay will not be allowed in.
And do you honestly think it will not show up in the shrinks report come trial time? = Not necessarily but possible if corroborated.
Bees, remember what they walk into court with does not have to be any of the stories thus far.
But, what they place before the jury must be one story from beginning to end, if they walk into court with 15 different stories, and a dozen suspects the jury will not swallow any of it.
Defense does not have to use the Zanny story, they just have to have a reason why she lied, (fear) (protecting someone)
HEARSAY LOL can see you are not a good student.
Personally, I don’t believe the abuse story at all. Casey is a known liar, so why would this, out of everything else she’s said, be the absolute truth? If it meant she would get whatever it is she seeks, she would most certainly throw her own father and brother under the bus by making up some awful “poor, pitiful me” story. Look at the whopper she invented about Zanny the Nanny.
The problem for the DUH-Fence is this: Detective after Detective, Officer after Officer, friend after friend will testify that they were told by KC that Caylee was with the “Imaginanny during the 31 days Dead!” There is NO GETTING AROUND this testimony starting with the 911 call when KC told the operator she was “conducting her own investigation while bumping & grinding at FUSION! MORE friends will testify as to what she did! This testimony alone could go on for two weeks w/Dumb & Dumber looking ridiculous, THEY CAN’T DISPUTE KC’S LIES after what she told them about where KC was. LE will testify that there is NO Zanny! Even her own family NEVER met her. I am surprised the Anthony’s didn’t lie & claim they did.
ALL of LE will testify at the lengths they went to find precious Caylee, ALL LIES! SO! If the Defense wants to “create a whole different scenario, they STILL CAN’T CHANGE the testimony of ALL the people looking for Caylee& the Nanny that never was UNTIL Closing Arguments! CRAZY! The DUH-fence would love to DUMP ZANNY but they can’t! I can just see T Miller testifying about looking for Caylee & that Baez WOULDN’T EVEN ALLOW T Miller to speak with KC. They are all a bunch of NUT JOBS if they think that Jury will be impressed with any bull chit theory they dream up! OMG! I can’t wait to hear the testimony about the Detective going to Universal with them claiming she worked there! OMG! Priceless, & that’s just one lie.
I read an article at the Caylee Daily in which Express said that Baez “wouldn’t want a PLEA because he is “banking time working with a DP Attorney,” Hornsby has discussed how difficult it is to become a DP Attorney because you have to do several cases. Baez is going to count this as one towards him being a DP Qualified Attorney but Baez ISN’T EVEN BOARD CERTIFIED! Hornsby has it posted on his BLOG.
The Defense can dream up anything they want to, but they will sit there & SUCK IT UP while the STATE puts on their case about Imaginanny, all the testimony operating on the information only a murderer would provide, praying her child would continue to decompose & she probably thought Caylee would never be found.
Think about it. In the Closing Argument, the Defense is going to have to explain ALL the lies, explain the Imaginanny, & why they are pointing fingers at other’s. imo, turds don’t float & neither will this defense.
No amount of BS will make KC NOT GUILTY of the murder of Caylee.
judypc said, on October 3, 2010 at 7:52 pm
HEARSAY LOL can see you are not a good student.
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Did Jesse and Tony witness anything or did they HEAR it from Casey?
Did Dominic Casey witness anything or did he HEAR it from another source?
Writing it down in a statement or report does not make it fact. Therefore it is Hearsay.
I am still pissed off at the absurdity of Finnell “sucking up all the free Publicity” but filing a MOTION for she wants! She estimated $20,000.00 & didn’t state that “would be all she needed. Since Lyon’s has done most of this, I just can’t believe Judge P will grant all these fees.
Investigative $ 5,000.00
Copying 1,000.00
Travel 4,000.00
100 Hrs. for Mitigation 4,500.00 *
Specialist
*Judge P told Baez that the Mitigation Specialist that was already in place would have her hourly rate cut to $ 45.00 in July, Baez agreed as this is JAC rates.
To read the PDF:
Click to access Motion%20to%20Determine%20Reasonable%20Budget%20For%20Due%20Process%20Costs%20in%20a%20Capital%20Case%20and%20Motion%20to%20Incur%20Certain%20Specified%20Costs.pdf
Present sense impressions;- statements made about one’s mental set, feelings, pain or health,
Any out-of-court verbal statement derivative from anyone OTHER than the defendant shall be inadmissible as hearsay.
testimony which quote persons NOT in court are not admissible and considered hearsay.
In other words if Jesse had told Tony, then Tonys statement would be considered hearsay and not allowed.
If defense wants to build a case around their clients claim of abuse they can bring into court prior statements of their client to others to show her mental state at the time, and to produce the claim as fact, since she at the time of said statement was not under indictment or coercion of any nature.
Since their client is present, and was the original claimant the hearsay rule does not apply
And this will be my last response on the matter, if you want to play then waste someone elses time, I haven’t the temperment to play silly games.
Good night JB.
Took you long enough to Google exceptions to the hearsay rule. I suppose that a motion to exclude would have to be filed and then let the Judge make the decision as to what can or cannot come in. Silly games? Not my intention. I think you are mistaken and that is what the adversarial system of justice is all about. I will leave it at that as well. No further discussion on the matter. Agree to disagree.
I may be mistaken but unless they change her plea to Not guilty by reason of insanity, brought on by sexual abuse, there is no basis for introducing alledged abuse allegations against George or Lee. In other words it doesn’t have anything to do with Caylee’s murder because Casey is pleading not guilty. And she said the nanny kidnapped Caylee. I can’t see where that has anything to do with the murder. Any evidence brought into the trial has to be directly related to the murder of Caylee or the abuse of her. Casey being molested doesn’t fall into that catagory. IMO It will be brought in during the mitigation phase almost certainly. They got nothin, so they may as well see if it flies with the jury. I doubt it though, Casey is no victim.
Also, judypc, I think what law student was getting at was that by saying the abuse was well documented makes it read like it was proven. That is not so, not by a long shot. Casey is a proven liar, why would you believe that one lie and not any of the others? I would be very surprised if it comes out that she was. And not by testimony from any of the A’s. Like a drs. report that there was a strange rash or something to that effect. And that still wouldn’t prove it to me. I would come closer to thinking maybe Lee was experimenting with inappropriate touching but that is about it. It happens more than we realize. That is not the level of abuse that would lead someone to do what Casey did to Caylee. Casey was a princess with all her wants and needs met. Except a real moral foundation and values, Casey had it all. No one was abusing her, it was the other way around in my eyes. George and Cindy were not equiped to deal with Casey’s problems. They are disfunctional themselves. Throw a mixture of the two of them in and you have a disaster waiting to happen.
George does DESERVE to be thrown under the bus though.
Judy, can you provide a link to the source of your information for that exception to the hearsay rule or explain how you are applying it in the scenario of Jesse/Tony relaying what was told to them by Casey? I don’t truly see the connection because she wasn’t really expressing her “feelings” or “pain” about it to them. In fact, I can’t recall Tony ever saying in an interview that Casey told him sexual abuse. I suppose I could have missed it, but I just re-searched his interviews and I can’t find it.
Also, in Jesse’s interviewed he didn’t relay that she was expressing any feelings or pain about Lee’s alleged abuse of her, just that she didn’t feel comfortable with Lee being around Caylee because Lee attempted to have sex with her one time. The detective asked Jesse if she explained the incident any further and he said that she just made that comment and did not expand further, but what he “got from it” was that Lee was pressuring her into having sex with him, not that he actually did anything….
*snipped*
YM: You also mentioned something, or went into detail uh, more about an incident that occurred with Lee uh, sometime ago. Well I guess where Lee I guess tried to have sex with her?
JG: Uh, September of 2005 Casey told me that she didn’t feel comfortable with Lee being around Caylee. When I asked why she said that uhm, Cas…Cay…uhm, recently she wouldn’t expand upon recently. I assumed it was before Caylee was born. Uhm, Casey uh, and Lee were at the house alone together and Casey, and Lee attempted to have sex with her.
YM: Did he uh, did, did, did you get an indication what attempted to have sex meant?
JG: Uh, it (sighs), there was never any explanation. My impression was that somehow he was trying to pressure her into it somehow. That was my impression from what she was saying.
YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
JG: I didn’t have anything else concrete on it. And it was so vile and disgusting to me that I didn’t really want to go any further into it than what she was telling me. Being that I cared about her at the time I was immediately angry towards Lee and had resentment towards him.
YM: And this was September of 2005, correct?
JG: Correct, yes.
YM: Has she ever mentioned that in another incident to you or, have you, has she ever mentioned this to you more than once or was it just on one occasion?
JG: No, it was just on one occasion. I, like I said, I didn’t want to expound upon it.
Click to access jgrund090908.pdf
So, again, I’m not sure how you are automatically qualifying this stuff as an exception to the hearsay rule you quoted above, as it would seem to not be so cut and dry as you implied by the quick labeling. Seems more like it’d be a little battle with a motion being filed and Judge Perry making a decision.
If you (or anyone else) have the quote or link where Tony’s statements on the matter are, I’d appreciate it. I’d like to read it with this situation in mind.
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Also, along the same lines (and not just directed at Judy) – if Casey’s written statements to Robyn about prior sexual abuse by Lee or George were to be believed, I’d have to go with the Lee allegations over George because she was clear on what he did in particular to her (lifting her shirt and fondling her honkers) whereas with George she said it was in a dream she had and that it was unclear as to what took place. I’m just sayin’, if I had to pick one to allegation to believe over the other (and I highly doubt both happened – just because of the higher odds and her fondness for lying).
Yo Hola/Mrs. Curious –
If your intent with the name switching is to hide, *bzzzttt* you fail. Here are some tips for future success – aside from the different name, you need to change your bizarre punctuation habits, your penchant for starting your comments by informing us you’ve “been out” and speaking in longer, more complete sentences. You are like a giraffe trying to hide in a pink bunny suit. It’s ok by me if you want to change your name to make certain comments or recreate yourself, but PSST, we know it’s you! Sure, go ahead now and say it’s not you… and don’t forget to be snide to me when you do.
If the defense were going to throw George under the bus with the consideration that Casey feared he would harm or kill her if she went to the authorities – they better be prepared to explain why, during the 31 days, she so frequently snuck back to the Anthony home at times that George could have been home and would’ve had the opportunity to harm or kill her. There’s no making sense of that. I don’t believe at all that they will go to trial with the theory that George did it. It’d be colossally dumb.
WooBabie,
This is what you might be looking for. However none of this would be applicable during the guilt phase of the trial since they would be trying to use these statements as mitigating factors during the penalty phase. In order to use them during the guilt phase, they would likely have to be going for a diminished capacity pleading or insanity defense. I think it is a bit late for that. What George or Lee did or did not do to Casey has no bearing on whether she is guilty of murder if they stay with the SODDI or the Invisinanny defense. What I want to know is where did Judypc see that George molested Caylee as she referenced in her above post. “and then Caylee” judypc said, on October 3, 2010 at 12:23 pm “Used other women for their money, sexually abused Casey, and then Caylee.”
Florida Statute 90.803 Hearsay exceptions:
90.803 Hearsay exceptions; availability of declarant immaterial.
The provision of s. 90.802 to the contrary notwithstanding, the following are not inadmissible as evidence, even though the declarant is available as a witness:
(b) However, this subsection does not make admissible:
2. A statement made under circumstances that indicate its lack of trustworthiness.
http://law.onecle.com/florida/evidence/90.803.html
And by the way judypc, your “snark” is duly noted. I am not JB whoever that is.
Student of Law said, ——-
Wow. Nice to read your posts. Seems like a few “know it alls” here.
Craig please consider starting a new page if Mr. Sheaffer hasn’t the time or inclination to write a post at this time. It’s like trying to write with a pen that’s running out of ink and you have to stop and shake the pen after every few words. Frustrating!
It’s hard to fully express your thoughts with any kind of flow or detail when the lag is so incredibly long. Please!!!!
Also would you post your e-mail address again? I can’t see it if it’s here. I would have e-mailed my request directly to you and it wouldn’t have taken 10 minutes to write approx. 120 words. Thank you!
Student of Law said, —– and r u truly a student of law? Some seem to allude to the fact that they are. It would be nice if you are knowlegable.
Terrytsk said, on October 4, 2010 at 8:54 am
craig.mazer@wftv.com
Terrytsk said, on October 4, 2010 at 8:54 am
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Good Morning Woo & Sunny, you guys are early birds today, still just sipping my first cup of coffee.
What I brought up yesterday to Linda & Art was “who” imo was the most viable to the defense to throw under the bus as the SOD.
Imo it is George, because the foundation has already been laid on the abuse charges, through her telling others & D, Casey’s report.
( Woo I will have to search for Tony’s statement )
If you combine the abuse charges with.
George places himself as one of the last people to see Caylee on that fateful day.
The Statement that he bought the duct tape on sale at Lowes.
That he can be connected to every item found with the body because they link back to the house.
His jail house statement that he goes out in the yard looks up at the sky and talks to Caylee “saying look Caylee we are looking at the same stars & moon”, this statement came before the body was found just down the street.
That his suicide attempt could be construed as his overwhelming guilt.
That defense “could” say Casey she was fearful of, or protecting George, and that is why she made up the kidnap story.
That of all the people they have pointed their finger at, Zanny, Jesse, Kronk, the bushy haired stranger, George would be the easiest to direct attention to, and we know they have been investigating George.
I myself, of course do not believe George killed Caylee, I firmly believe Casey did, but if they do go with SODDI, then George is the most likely one to go under the bus, and I believe Cindy would fall in line and back Casey, rather than George.
OK. I’ve got it through my thick head (snort)!!! I keep coming across info that confuses me but I now know, and never will ask again. I swear.
1. casey/defense can run with any story they want to, but . . .
2. there will be no getting around everyone else’s testimony as to what they were told by casey at the time (911 calls, Zanny Nanny etc. . . )
3. they will have to stick with just one story once the trial starts and it will have to “fit” with the evidence they have
4. casey does not ever have to take the stand (unless she wants to)
art tart, thank you. You did a great job of explaining and you summed all up with “No amount of BS will make KC NOT GUILTY of the murder of Caylee.” The defense “team” can grow to 200 lawyers and they can stand on their heads around the parameter of the courthouse, chanting her innocence till the end of time but it can NOT change the facts. What’s done is done.
Art, I saved your comment if I run into anything that confuses me I’m going to pull it out and re-read it!!!
Hi Belle, welcome (at least I don’t think I’ve seen you here before). This blog is not heavily moderated but I like to think that we are all respectful of everyone’s different opinions. We all have our own theories, including Judy’s that casey was sexually abused. I don’t see it that way at all but who knows? None of us were there. I will say that I’m with the majority that believe they have the right person in jail for Caylee’s murder.
I’m interested in what has you thinking casey is innocent. Did you start out believing she was guilty and has something changed your mind? You know, it’s like 99% of people believe she’s guilty but every once in a while I read someone who doesn’t think so and I am truly fascinated. I’m not being sarcastic so please don’t interpret it that way. I, with all respect, would like to hear why you think she is innocent. If you have the time. TIA!
“That his suicide attempt could be construed as his overwhelming guilt.”
Gee Judypc. My sense is … George’s attempted suicide was overwhemiming sadness and dispair … grandaugert dead — daughter in jail — financial problems —on and on. Plus, previous marital problems. These all seem to add up to “checking out”
Thanks Student of Law. I’ll try your suggestions.
Terrytsk thanks for pleading our case to Craig. I just sent him a note too. In the meantime, I have been composing my comments in Word and then just pasting them in to this blog. It’s a little more tolerable that way. A little!
WooBaby that is a good point. I guess if I had to chose one abuser between the two it would be George. He has left himself wide open for it. But here’s the question I have. If that’s what casey and her defense have decided to spin do you think that George will be go along with that? I know publicly he has stopped going to the hearings but that doesn’t mean anything to me ~ he could just be following bozo and casey’s script and acting as though he’s insulted or angry. I’ve had a feeling for the past year that both Cindy and George would willingly go along with something like that knowing it would never amount to them actually being charged, only creating some reasonable doubt. What do you think?
Who is Belle? —- and where is the comment?
Morning everyone,
Bees Knees, although the DUH-fence can go with “any story” as long as they have something to “support that accusation,” they still have to “explain the Imaginanny in Closing Arguments.” The example would be “Kronk,” the Defense will “have to try to get Kronk’s prior bad acts admitted” & to my knowledge, they haven’t been ruled on yet. The problem w/Kronk is that the EX making the accusations is a Convicted Felon & was only married to Kronk for 4 months. IF the defense is NOT successful in the MOTIONS to “admit the prior bad acts,” they can’t point the finger at Kronk or whine that he wasn’t investigated.
IF GA had been “successful in his suicide attempt,” (I never believed it, just more ANT drama to get attention,) he would have been the “perfect fall guy for KC, CA could have jumped on the band wagon claiming GA was the real murderer of Caylee. LOL!
IF Mrs. curious is YO Hola, I was a SUCKER yet again!
WooBabie, I have been looking for your comments over @ Hinky, good to see you.
If defense sticks with “Casey is innocent”
They better have someone to feed to the jury as the suspect.
They can not just leave it to the great unknown.
judypc said, on October 4, 2010 at 9:15 am
Good Morning Woo & Sunny, you guys are early birds today, still just sipping my first cup of coffee.
Ah gee, I feel slighted that you didn’t say good morning to me. 🙂
What I brought up yesterday to Linda & Art was “who” imo was the most viable to the defense to throw under the bus as the SOD.
Imo it is George, because the foundation has already been laid on the abuse charges, through her telling others & D, Casey’s report.
Charges? More like accusations or opinion
( Woo I will have to search for Tony’s statement )
If you combine the abuse charges with.
Show us where George has been charged by LE with any abuse.
George places himself as one of the last people to see Caylee on that fateful day.
However by her own sworn admission, Casey said she handed Casey over to the Invisinanny who then would have been the LAST person to have seen Caylee alive. How does that equate to George? Do you think they will say that George ran after Casey and snatched Caylee and then killed her. Why??????
The Statement that he bought the duct tape on sale at Lowes.
So what? Probably a quarter of the population buys their duct tape at Lowes.
That he can be connected to every item found with the body because they link back to the house.
Profound to say the least. Naturally he could be connected since he lived at the house. Circumstantially weak.
His jail house statement that he goes out in the yard looks up at the sky and talks to Caylee “saying look Caylee we are looking at the same stars & moon”, this statement came before the body was found just down the street.
Only means that he was talking to her wherever she may be since he believed she was still alive. Ya think?
That his suicide attempt could be construed as his overwhelming guilt.
Or that he really loved Caylee and couldn’t go on without her especially with all the accusations floating around. Something like you are doing.
That defense “could” say Casey she was fearful of, or protecting George, and that is why she made up the kidnap story.
Possibly, but then she willingly went home when Cindy found her and George didn’t beat the crap out of her, now did he?
That of all the people they have pointed their finger at, Zanny, Jesse, Kronk, the bushy haired stranger, George would be the easiest to direct attention to, and we know they have been investigating George.
Most likely for obstruction, not murder.
I myself, of course do not believe George killed Caylee, I firmly believe Casey did, but if they do go with SODDI, then George is the most likely one to go under the bus, and I believe Cindy would fall in line and back Casey, rather than George.
Of course I believe Casey killed Caylee as well but at this late stage of the game, they have nothing that would implicate him in the murder of his grand daughter. Sure Casey will throw both CA and GA under the bus to save her sorry butt, but SODDI, don’t buy it. Not going to happen. They would throw Baez in the Booby Hatch if he tried to pin this on George.
Ok, out of here for now. Have a paper to write on the “Likelihood that SODDI”. 😉
Morning Art.
Seems our convo from yesterday has sparked a wildfire lol.
Major problem with pointing at Kronk “imo” is how do they link him to the crime?
How do they place him with Caylee?
How do they place him as having access to the car, the house?
Who ever is put in the box as the SOD HAS to have access to the items in evidence.
One more before I go.
judypc said, on October 4, 2010 at 10:20 am
If defense sticks with “Casey is innocent”
They better have someone to feed to the jury as the suspect.
They can not just leave it to the great unknown.
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Didn’t they try that with Scott Peterson and they fell flat on their keister with that one. No they do not have to have another suspect unless they are grasping at straws.
Yo:
belle said, on October 3, 2010 at 5:43 pm I’m starting to believe Ina and theJBMission are right about Casey’s innocence. Hang in there Zuben
Oh — missed it— thanks .
Lets see now.
Hello Your Honor, members of the jury.
Our client is innocent, we don’t have a clue who is guilty, but trust us, our client is 100 percent innocent!!!!!.
We rest our case, Thank you.
Yeah that would roll I’m sure.
And art, if the duh-fense makes insinuations about Kronk it would involve his blushing ex-bride taking the stand and then the Prosecution could have a go at her, too? That would be worth watching. If she is bed-ridden would they be able to question her through Skype?
Student, that was really nicely done ~ taking the time and addressing Judy’s points so clearly. Although none of us can be certain (well, we CAN be actually, but we aren’t supposed to SAY we are at this point). Thank you.
No problem, Yo! I’ve never seen her post here before, have you?
judypc —- “Hello Your Honor, members of the jury. Our client is innocent, we don’t have a clue who is guilty, but trust us, our client is 100 percent innocent!!!!!.
We rest our case, Thank you.”
I daresay — that way over the top.
Imo it is George, because the foundation has already been laid on the abuse charges, through HER TELLING others & D, Casey’s P.I report (done while in the employ of Jose’).
Charges.ie
Accusation
Allege
Allegation
Blame
Incriminate
Lay the blame on
George places himself as one of the last people to see Caylee on that fateful day.
His statement “ He was watching the food network, he further describes what they were wearing, the back packs, and hugs & kisses”
The Statement that he bought the duct tape on sale at Lowes.
He stated “I bought several rolls from the sale ben” yes I am sure many people bought the tape, BUT did they all have access to Caylee?
He can be connected to every item found with the body because they link back to the house.
Well at least you agree he did live at the house, you say Circumstantially weak, he had just as mush access as Casey so if it is Circumstantially weak on behalf of George the same can be said for Casey.
His jail house statement that he goes out in the yard looks up at the sky and talks to Caylee “saying look Caylee we are looking at the same stars & moon”, this statement came before the body was found just down the street.
Could be construed by defense as he knew where she was, and they had the same view of the stars & moon.
His suicide attempt could be construed as his overwhelming guilt.
Note the wording “Could Be Construed”
That defense “could” say Casey she was fearful of, or protecting George, and that is why she made up the kidnap story.
Your answer, Possibly, but then she willingly went home when Cindy found her and George didn’t beat the crap out of her, now did he?
Pin point a time when he was alone with her at that time please.
That of all the people they have pointed their finger at, Zanny, Jesse, Kronk, the bushy haired stranger, George would be the easiest to direct attention to, and we know they have been investigating George.
Defense would not be concerned with obstruction charges, their only addendum is to get their client Casey off.
No one said the jury would fall for George did it, no one said they believed George did it.
All that was said was and I quote.
“ OF ALL THE PEOPLE THEY HAVE POINTED THEIR FINGER AT, THAT COULD BE THE SOD, GEORGE WOULD BE THE EASIEST TO THROW UNDER THE BUS.” end quote.
And the reasons listed were reasons why he would be the easiest.
EGADS!! nothing like a full blown attack using half the info.
You came on and decided to snark attack at least read the FULL statements and address them as they were intended.
I have no problem debating the issues but I do have a problem with snotty attacks that evade the truth.
If you want to see Judge Belvin Perry in action. On Insession now, Judge Belvin Perry is presiding over the murder trial of John Hawthorne a teenager who stabbed Joel Boner 12 times. Sorry for the off topic.
judypc, you seem hell bent on giving up George to the defense as a means to exonerate Casey. You said “I have no problem debating the issues but I do have a problem with snotty attacks that evade the truth”. Frankly, you seem to exude a bit of the snark yourself. I think that after reading your exchange with the grasshopper Law Student, he/she has some very valid points to counter yours. Your comments come across as emotional and sup-positional most likely because of your apparent disdain for George Anthony. I don’t wish to engage you in an argument about this but I think from what I read that you have a problem with anyone who challenges you.
As a matter of fact, charges in terms of law are accusations that accuse someone of something ie. an offense under the law as in “he was charged with abuse”. I am afraid that your argument there falls short of being factual. No Law Enforcement Agency has charged GA with anything. So therefore, I believe that “grasshopper” has you hands down”. I will forbear myself from commenting on this further as I also believe that to paint GA as an SOD is moot and patently silly.
Hi Red,
I do admit that after being attacked by “grasshopper” I was a bit testy, had said law student addressed me without the snark I do not think this would have gone this far.
And no, I do not wish to offer up anyone as defense scape goat, which is the only point I ever intended, that as far as scape goats go, George is setting on top of the pile, when compared to Kronk, Jesse, or any of the other could be’s proffered by the defense thus far.
If you are so inclined to do so scan back to the post on Sunday to Linda & Art, I never said George had been “charged” I said charges made by Casey’s statements of abuse.
And yes, I can snark back when pressed, I am sorry though that the rest of you are caught in the exchange.
Have a good day, I think it is time for a break from here as I do not wish to keep defending my thoughts or statements, I know what my intent was and the persons I was conversing with understood, so thats all that matters I suppose.
Red Herring — I replied a bit ago — saying that you were right on target …. don’t know what happened to my post …but here I’m saying again —-you were right on in your reply to Judy pc — guess it got next to her — since she’s taking a break!
Yo Hola,
Respectfully, I am not the type of person you want to make a comment to, like you just did. While I could appreciate your response, the manner in which it was delivered leaves me cold. This is not a tit for tat. Judy respectfully replied to me and I accept it as such. She in my opinion adds volumes more to the discussion here than you do.
As an aside, when you decide who you want to be here, you should stick with it, then you won’t get mixed up with your names and email addresses so your comments (such as they are) won’t go into the abyss.
LOL
I hate that this blog goes off the tracks. I wish we had a captain or whatever??
I’ve just about given up…… . . .
and Good Morning to you too judypc! I am not a lawyer and I don’t play one on tv buuuut, hehe, I have learned so much from this case and others I have followed because of this case. I pray for justice for Caylee. I hope that Casey gets to enjoy all the Department of Corrections has to offer. That is my wish, that and world peace. haha or just peace on this blog.
Red Herring said —- truthfully you confuse me — I appreciated your reply toJudypc and I guess to me … but what is your problem, with me — what was “wrong” with the manner in which I commented? — I am who I am — No chaning anything —contrary to what some “slooths think.. Again — don’t quite understand why you said what you said to me — but —- btw — I have been here for quite bit —- all the best !
Sunny, yes indeed, this blog becomes a “run away train at times,” I think mostly by misunderstandings, as much as I love blogging, sometimes the written word doesn’t convey what the verbally spoken word could.
This is a good group, I enjoy the contributions of everyone, I’m with you, I too hope KC sucks up all the fun she can have at the jail.
I was reading somewhere, can’t remember where, but it said that when KC goes to her “final destination,” she won’t have the luxury of the “commissary that she does now & the ability to buy “cheese dip & slim jim beef jerky.” Do you know anything about that? I wonder what the difference is in the conditions of where she is going & where she is. I guess that would depend if she lives on Death Row!
art~My dad is a corrections officer in a medium security prison that sits next door to a maximum security prison. I live in Ca so it may be different but inmates can recieve food and other things through the mail. As long as it comes from the original vender. Not something you package up at home like what you would send the brave troops fighting for our freedoms. You can’t send magazines or books unless they come from the publisher or through a vender like Amazon. So, she could live like a princess if Cindy chooses. I don’t think Cindy gives a flying fig for “sweetheart”, it’s all for show. She is just as selfish as Casey. Maybe some of her fans will step up.
What I was referring to was all the fun stuff like full body cavity searches and crooked CO’s. They’re out there, I know a few. Some have made the front page of the paper throwing their careers away for trash like inmate Anthony.
Sunny, how interesting that your dad is a corrections officer. I bet he has some great stories, & I bet he says “they say they are all innocent!” LOL!
YEP! When Princess Poopie Pants gets the Verdict, she will make CA/GA every bit as miserable as she is. Can’t you just hear her calling collect everyday, cussing them out,telling them what sorry parent’s they were, screaming they MADE HER MURDER CAYLEE!” But! Before she hangs up she will remind them to put $$$$ in her account!
The thing is, imo, for all the lies LA/GA/CA have told for Poopie Pants, they will be “serving the time just like KC, they will NEVER be free mentally of her.” I just hope after the verdict, the public is FREE of the Drama & bull chit the Anthony’s spew.
Today I checked on Caylee’s Foundation & apparently it is a BUST! It hasn’t been updated since the Anthony’s took the trip to OHIO & gave out the Caylee Bear’s where CA used to work. LOL! I figured they wrote the trip off through the Foundation, but they must not be getting any donations in over a year since the Website has not been updated, it is all old. Isn’t this where CA said KC would work when KC got out of Jail? MORONS! LOL! KARMA!
Red:
Thank you for understanding and accepting my reply.
Also, for pulling me out of the snark abyss, afraid I was caught up in there and needed a swift kick in the bum to bring me back to reality.
I started out with the ignore attitude, but somewhere I fell in the dark hole.
And the more I argued, the more dug in I became, YIKES it’s a vicious circle!!
Hi Sunny:
Oh if wishes really do come true, lol I think yours is on a lot of wish list.
Dammit Judy, now you have gone and raised the bar on me. Now I have to put away my snarky keyboard and bring out one less caustic that doesn’t have a mind of it’s own. I might be able to control this one better. ^Onward and Upward^ 🙂
LMAO @ Red.
😉
judypc said, on October 4, 2010 at 12:30 pm
All that was said was and I quote.
“ OF ALL THE PEOPLE THEY HAVE POINTED THEIR FINGER AT, THAT COULD BE THE SOD, GEORGE WOULD BE THE EASIEST TO THROW UNDER THE BUS.” end quote.
This is what you said (that *I* was responding to)…
judypc said, on October 3, 2010 at 8:30 am
This is just a hunch on my part, but I think defense is gearing up to throw ol Georgie under all four wheels of the bus.
And because it wasn’t addressed to Art Tart, I took it as a comment to everyone.
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I appreciate your response to me earlier, however I was looking for your source of information (or your explanation) on the exception to the hearsay rule you quoted (see below).
judypc said, on October 3, 2010 at 10:50 pm
Present sense impressions;- statements made about one’s mental set, feelings, pain or health,
Any out-of-court verbal statement derivative from anyone OTHER than the defendant shall be inadmissible as hearsay.
testimony which quote persons NOT in court are not admissible and considered hearsay.
In other words if Jesse had told Tony, then Tonys statement would be considered hearsay and not allowed.
If defense wants to build a case around their clients claim of abuse they can bring into court prior statements of their client to others to show her mental state at the time, and to produce the claim as fact, since she at the time of said statement was not under indictment or coercion of any nature.
How does Jesse’s statement that Casey insinuated to him that Lee attempted to pressure Casey into having sex with him in 2005 qualifies under this exception to the hearsay rule – in terms of speaking to her mental set, feelings and pain in June of 2008 when she killed Caylee?
BEES KNEES said, on October 4, 2010 at 9:53 am
WooBaby that is a good point. I guess if I had to chose one abuser between the two it would be George. He has left himself wide open for it. But here’s the question I have. If that’s what casey and her defense have decided to spin do you think that George will be go along with that? I know publicly he has stopped going to the hearings but that doesn’t mean anything to me ~ he could just be following bozo and casey’s script and acting as though he’s insulted or angry. I’ve had a feeling for the past year that both Cindy and George would willingly go along with something like that knowing it would never amount to them actually being charged, only creating some reasonable doubt. What do you think?
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NOPE! Actually, I think he’s done more than he was ever willing to do in the first place (and did most of them under the pressure of Cindy) and that he DOES actually have a line he won’t cross and that is it. Mostly because if he were willing to take the fall for Casey, he would have done so in the beginning to spare Casey from incarceration and further persecution. His appearance in the court hearings always look to me as though he’s there begrudgingly. I’ve come to the conclusion that Cindy is completely delusional and becoming very mentally ill and George is an empty shell, with his guts spread all over the place.
But that is my interpretation.
What I’m really concerned with right now though is that I can’t find my remote control and Three’s Company is starting.
Oh no – I am not a 5am riser! The time that shows on my comments here is not true to my time zone, I’m a couple hours earlier.I have sleep troubles related to my illness. Not much else to do at 2-3am. *Sigh*
Sunny – what facility does your father work at?!
Art – I censored myself from Hinky Meter for about a week because I was on the verge of not being nice to someone and the only way I could keep from doing that was to ban myself from speaking at all for a little bit. I’m over it now.
Student – I concur with all of your above. Thanks for your clear information.
Morning Woo.
Okay in an effort to not have another firestorm I am going to hopefully say this in a way that will not be taken in another direction.
Defense (IF) they plan to use Casey’s alleged abuse allegations at trial can bring past statements as foundation, showing she did not make this up (AFTER) she murdered her baby girl.
They will show she told her boyfriends, and if Cindy agrees, that she as well told her mom, years before.
By laying this groundwork they will attempt to show she was a victim, and maybe Caylee was as well.
They will ask questions such as
( Was Casey concerned about the physical well being of herself, or her daughter?)
( Did she ever say anything that lead you to think there was danger for herself, or her daughter?)
( Did she seem weary of going home?)
If they just walk into court with only a shrink that says she was a victim, the jury will likely take it like a cold cup of coffee, but if they lay a foundation from past events and statements that show this is not just a defense ploy the jury is more likely to absorb the idea.
What they will attempt to show is because she made these statements long before Caylee’s death she would have no pressure or reason to lie. (of course Casey seems not to have needed a reason) but that is what they would hope the jury reasons, it must be true because at that time she was not fighting for her life.
Now, if they (the defense) go in this direction they (could) then (allege) that perhaps Caylee had fallen victim to this activity, and that it may have resulted in her death.
They (the defense) could then (claim) the lies Casey told were the product of years of imbedded (fear) or (protection) of the person they point to as a (possible) suspect.
Now, I am not supporting this type of defense, I do not believe anyone (other) than Casey killed Caylee, (BUT) judging this defense team on their past actions , this is the defense (imo) they are leading up to.
(imo) they are looking for the easiest person to throw under the bus as an escape goat, (imo) that person is George.
(IF) they go with SODDI they have to have someone that
(1) Had access to Caylee.
(2) Had access to the home.
(3) Had access to the car.
(imo) that takes them to only one place, someone in the home.
Kronk, Jesse, a stranger abduction, none of these fit into the evidence, only someone from the home fills all the criteria, if not Casey, then who?
Defense, is not going to say Casey for sure.
Judypc, I understand where you’re going with this, BUT how are they going to get over Casey’s own statements to LE, FBI, and everyone else? She stated that Zanny the Nanny took Caylee. That’s a big stretch. Also if they plan to lay groundwork to show that Casey was abused (and I don’t believe for a second that she was), it would be used in the penalty/mitigation phase, after she has already been found guilty. Maybe I’m just too hard headed to see where the defense might go with this. That’s taking a HUGE gamble.
Mix:
(If) their defense is, (Casey is innocent) and they point to SODDI, (my opinion) is the SOD has to come from the home.
(If) they go in this direction, they would say Casey lied about the Nanny (a) because she was afraid / (b) she was protecting a family member.
The only other (casey is innocent of murder) defense I can see them taking is.
(Accidental death) and she panicked.
Their biggest problem with this defense is
Her actions after Caylee’s death and the time she was reported missing.
And The Duct Tape.
I do not see a jury being very accepting this defense.
The party girl, and duct tape will be the nails that imo people would hammer into her coffin.
Now, I am taking a break don’t want to hog the blog.
Woobabie, I knew something was up with ya, there are several blogger’s I love to read @ Hinkey & at times I don’t have time to read ALL the comments because there are so many, especially on the OPEN Thread. I enjoy reading your comments, Bees Knees, LNY, & some of the other’s as I know their opinions are solid.
mixologist74, when I see your avatar, it always makes me smile, it is heartwarming, I understand your point! No matter WHAT the defense throws “against the wall during the trial, they ONLY have the Closing Argument to clarify the LIES KC told about the imaginanny.” The Defense, imo, has absolutely NO WAY around the lies KC told, they have to be explained, THEN, they can proceed to blame yet another person.
I agree with judypc, I think they will say “KC was scared.” Do you remember one of the early jail videos where CA “suggested it to KC, like, have they threatened us?” I don’t think the jury will believe it any more than we do & imo, the Defense will have a difficult time over coming KC’s original story.
judypc is also correct in that to blame SOD, they have to have access to the Anthony Home, KC’s car, etc., meaning also to have a set of house keys & car keys.
Okay, Per news 13 report.
defense team says it has dozens of new witnesses who could help create doubt when the case goes to trial.
For the second day, Anthony’s defense is calling volunteers with Texas EquuSearch. They are looking for anyone who may have been in the area where Caylee Anthony’s remains were eventually found.
So far, the defense says they have nearly 100 people who say they searched Suburban Drive with Texas EquuSearch or on their own.
If this is not leading to SODDI then I will eat my straw hat.
(only thing left is will you guys allow me salt & Pepper if I am wrong 🙂
Okay, in the mean time, any recipes for straw hats, just in case?
belle said, on October 3, 2010 at 5:43 pm
I’m starting to believe Ina and theJBMission are right about Casey’s innocence. Hang in there Zuben!
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Belle, why is it that when I click on your name it takes me to theJBM’s blog?
belle said, on October 3, 2010 at 5:43 pm I’m starting to believe Ina and theJBMission are right about Casey’s innocence. Hang in there Zuben!
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Since I have commented this blog, I find odd to find a post under my name. I wonder what the owner will have to say about this?
The real Belle
The above should read “never commented on this blog”
The real Belle
100 people? That’s BS, and the defense knows it. Grasping at straws, and it sickens me. I don’t think a jury is gonna buy it.
Howdy people!
judypc~I get your point and the defense is stupid enough to try it but I don’t think it will fly for several reasons. I don’t think you think it will either but are just throwing it out there. It’s a good discussion point for sure.
art~I used to beg my dad to tell me stuff, he would only tell me stuff that was funny or gross and no names. He said a prison is no place for a little girl. I did tour the prison before it opened and then again in High School. He was right, it is no place for a little girl or anyone for that matter.
woo~Please don’t be offended, I can’t put that info on here. Hubby has scared the crap out of me for saying where I worked on a different blog. He rented some movies that are about cyber stalkers and it skeered me. lol Do you live in Ca? I live in a very small town. It would be incredibly easy to find me. Not that I would ever do anything to make myself a target, but you never know, do ya?
tulpjes2~I think that is someone trying to stir up trouble.
woo~lol at banning yourself from a blog. I just scroll past comments that irritate me. It’s too easy to get sucked in.
Mix:
I thought 100 new people was testing the realms of Credibility just a tad far, heck I had trouble with the Dozens, just hang on this too will be circling the drain just like all of their other supposed bomb shells.
Bless You Sunny LOL.
No, I do not think it will, I was simply saying ( I think that may be where they are heading)
If they are saying SODDI they need a dude that corresponds with the evidence, and the only place that can happen is the dude has to live at Hopespring.
Judy, the subject came up on another blog about the inappropriateness of george’s over-the-top reaction when he and cindy come home one evening and found casey, Caylee and Jesse hanging out in casey’s bedroom. I somehow missed this when it was first released. Judy, you’re likely already aware of this. Apparently all three of them were fully-dressed, ON the bed (not IN the bed) watching television, with Caylee in the middle. The extreme way George reacted to that was as though he were very jealous. He threw Jesse out of the house!!!!!
Also disturbing is grandpa george being in the delivery room when Caylee was born! I don’t know about you all but the idea of my dad at my side while I was delivering a baby makes my stomach queasy!!! What the . . . ??? There’s NO WAY! He would be as appauled as I at the suggestion. I didn’t catch this the first time either but he described Caylee’s female genitalia as a “hamburger” rather than the male description “hotdog.” I don’t care if it IS the vernacular of the day (I’ve never heard it before) the words have no place in a grandfather’s mouth!!!! What the hell is wrong with this family???Their brains must be rotting in their skulls.
I still don’t believe he was guilty of sexual abuse but in my opinion his actions surrounding Caylee’s birth and casey’s relationship with Jesse are far, far from normal. Don’t you guys think???
It seems it should be embarrassing to this unprofessional defense team to continue to BOAST in the Media to ANYONE who will report their latest theories or propaganda they are trying to get to the jury pool.
Dumb/Dumber remind me of WW Wrestling, BIG scary men wearing ridiculous attire slamming their opponents, threatening to whip their butt in the next smack down! It is Moronic! It is Laughable! Is this where Dumb/Dumber learned this approach?
It’s sad that don’t KNOW TO BE EMBARRASSED! LOL! I hardly listen to their propaganda any more, than NEED to work on their case & QUIT trying to convince ANYONE they have vital evidence. They need to adapt a “Professional Approach” & keep their freakin mouths shut BUT HEY! That’s what it is all about! PROMOTING THEMSELVES no matter how laughable. MORONS! jmo!
I believe they are literally too stupid to be embarrassed.
Hello everybody!! Yes, it’s really me! LOL
I didn’t steal Belle’s avatar and make that comment and Belle didn’t either. It’s just a stupid blog game someone played on both of us.
As for her name and my url association?? That’s a joke. Anyone can do that by simply typing my url in the website block…BINGO!!
You are now theJBmission. Whatever.. as my grand daughter would say.
Have a great day EVERYBODY!!
I HOPE someone plays Masons sound-byte tonight to Judge Perry.
Mason talking about TES records and the fact they still have thousands to go through and time is running out said “IF I NEED MORE TIME, I WILL TAKE IT”
So he feels he does not have to abide by the time line set by His Honor eh?
Bees:
I have always thought the Anthony men were icky, Lees crying CMA and slobbering all over his wrist gave me the willies.
Georges begging her , and oh if he could just hold her in his arms, send the creepy crawlers down my spine.
This bunch makes the Adams family look normal !!
OMG!!
It just came to me who the A’s remind me of !!!!
Do any of you recall a book series several years back entitled “Flowers in the Attic” ?
Those of you that do, will understand.
Documents Could Damage Casey Anthony Defense
ORLANDO, Fla. — There’s a new blow to the defense in the case against Casey Anthony. Documents uncovered by WFTV raise questions about a key defense witness. That witness swore she saw nothing when she searched a spot in east Orange County where, months later, Caylee’s body was found. But WFTV obtained documents and a new witness contradicting her story.
A document shows EquuSearch volunteer Laura Buchanan wasn’t with a team of volunteers, at the site Caylee’s body was later found, the day she says she was. The document instead says she and the group of volunteers searched Blanchard Park that day and one of the volunteers, who was with her, says they never went to the woods on Suburban Drive that day. [more]……
http://www.wftv.com/news/25290721/detail.html
Eeeewwwww! That’s creepy, Judy! I remember the book.
Here’s something new:
Documents Could Damage Casey Anthony Defense
ORLANDO, Fla. — There’s a new blow to the defense in the case against Casey Anthony. Documents uncovered by WFTV raise questions about a key defense witness.
That witness swore she saw nothing when she searched a spot in east Orange County where, months later, Caylee’s body was found. But WFTV obtained documents and a new witness contradicting her story.
A document shows EquuSearch volunteer Laura Buchanan wasn’t with a team of volunteers, at the site Caylee’s body was later found, the day she says she was. The document instead says she and the group of volunteers searched Blanchard Park that day and one of the volunteers, who was with her, says they never went to the woods on Suburban Drive that day.
The defense is desperate to show Caylee Anthony’s remains were put in the woods near her house by someone other than her mother, Casey.
http://www.wftv.com/news/25290721/detail.html
Well look at that! Great minds . . . and all that!
Judy, you’re right! Those two guys are very screwed up in the head. Whatever is going on between them and casey it is NOT NATURAL!!! No. 1 Rule: GRANDFATHERS DO NOT EVER EVER EVER DESCRIBE THEIR GRANDAUGHTER’S GENITALIA. EVER!!!! A few months ago I couldn’t have predicted it but there is someone more offensive than Bozo after all. Cheney Mason! What a crude and offensive piece of work he is! Fits in beautifully with the rest of the nasty team.
Defense attorney Cheney Mason claimed to have found a legitimate copy of it in the EquuSearch records they’re inspecting, but lead attorney Jose Baez is less demonstrative.
“Well, if Cheney says he saw it, he saw it,” Baez said.
“Did you see it?” Belich asked Baez.
“I have not seen every document,” he replied.
If it turns out someone falsified documents and or tampered with witnesses in this capital murder case about what went on at Suburban Drive, they could face felony charges.
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Oh, PLEASE. Can somebody reassure me that someone with authority is paying attention to these losers. Seriously now. Does anybody think either of them would bat an eyelash at falsifying documents? Ha ha ha ha ha. They have demonstrated that nothing is beneath them, why WOULDN’T they doctor up some evidence? Who’s going to stop them? Bozo won’t even accept procedure refusing to allow anyone else to be lead attourney. Who wants to bet that this case goes right through to the end with Bozo as lead. Like I said, who’s going to stop them? So far they have not listened to anyone, not even Judge Perry.
Bees & Red:
I still say Buchanan was setting at Cindys sipping ice tea, not searching for Caylee.
Someone help me out here, I saw a report where she had tried to pass herself off as law enforcement to someone, turns out she worked for fish & wildlife somewhere in Kentucky.
I also somewhat recall an email from her or a blog post where she said she was “Good friends with Cindy”
I am going to search over at my blog I know someone posted a copy of her sign up paper that said she worked for fish and game, and the statement where she talked about being bff with cindy.
Grrrrrr it drives me nuts when I can’t remember 100 percent, and trust I can not afford a LONG DRIVE !!
Well HELLO people!
Made a comment last / early evening after reading. Don’t see it, so something went wrong!
I think too, that the defense is leaning towards SODDI with all the rumblings regarding the body was placed in the woods AFTER Inmate Anthony was sent back to jail by trying to find TES volunteers or any other volunteers to see if anyone will say the body was not there. Macaluso floated that idea too. They’ve tried to dig up dirt on Kronk, I thought for that very reason. We haven’t heard BOO , not one single thing from B&M about the Nanny, so if she didn’t do it, having a SODDI defense will be the only way to try to cast reasonable doubt. C&G tried pointing the finger elsewhere as well, although that doesn’t count in the courtroom
judypc, I don’t think you’ll be eating any straw hats. Your reasoning for George to the SODDI was food for thought.
And judy, very funny that Mason is saying “time is running out” regarding looking through TES records…They had how long? Months and months and months to do that?!
And one more thing, judy…Flowers in the Attic! OMG. I understand. LOL!
Hi Bees. I remember reading about George freaking out when her, Jesse and Caylee were hanging out on the bed. For the love of Pete, Jesse was thought, at first (coz Casey lied) that he was the father. And if he was worrying that his daughter would have sex—ah, too late, she did have a baby after all. And as usual, he blamed/gave Jesse sh*t for being ON the bed with Casey and Caylee. As usual, blaming someone other than Casey!!!!
Hi art tart. That defense team has no shame. None at all.
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Red Herring said, on October 5, 2010 at 4:59 pm
Documents Could Damage Casey Anthony Defense
Thanks for the link and wasn’t that known already, about Laura Buchanan?
From the WFTV article:
“The defense is desperate to show Caylee Anthony’s remains were put in the woods near her house by someone other than her mother, Casey.” YA THINK? LOL.
And judy, I do somewhat recall Bucanan trying to pass herself off as LE or something like that.
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Wrote this comment in Word. Then cut & pasted. That was much easier!
“DESCRIBE THEIR GRANDAUGHTER’S GENITALIA”
Bees, you did mean DAUGHTER’S didn’t you? Wasn’t he talking about Casey not Caylee?
Mason talking about TES records and the fact they still have thousands to go through and time is running out said “IF I NEED MORE TIME, I WILL TAKE IT”
Like I said, these two are going to do whatever they want to do. Who is going to stop them?
judypc ——— was it someone Andrews? Name includeded iinitials . like JC ??
HA!! I found it and moved it over to the open forum
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/message/1286321050/LAURA+B.
Hmmm, I wote the above comment in word, saying how easy it was to write and then I look and it’s one HUGE paragraph. LOL! Guess I should have checked before I hit submit. (if anyone even reads it!)
And I used the words “Inmate Anthony” coz I loved when Sunny used it.
Red, I believe Bees meant Casey. And agree with Bees that it IS bizzare that George would even bring that up, let alone be there to “see”.
I have the books will have to check to make sure but I want to say P.C. Andrews
Off topic~
art, I see one of the animals was found guilty in the Petit case today. DP should be on it’s way shortly. Sure wish the method for the DP for him and the other one would be rape and being set on fire.
V.C. Andrews
Hey that explains why LDB was having trouble finding Laura B in N.J. at the address she gave, she is in KY !!
Yes. VC Andrews. Flowers in the Attic, Petals on the Wind, If there be Thorns…
No RH. I’m pretty sure he was describing Caylee. He was in the room when casey delivered her and that was how george described her, distinguishing a girl from a boy (girl = hamburger, boy = hot dog). Does that seem right to ANYBODY??? Anyway, I’m going to find the link and post it here. I could be confused.
Bees, you are probably right, it just sounded strange when I first read it. Either way it is disgusting.
Here you go RH. Here is one reference. “THE FBI INTERVIEW GEORGE ANTHONY PART 2” At about 8:15 minutes in. I thought I heard it again someplace else when he also mentioned the male equivalent, “hot dog.” You’re right ~ disgusting. I shudder at the thought of my own father making the observation about my daughter at birth. Not that he’d be close enough to the birth to notice! GAH!!!!
Hey! Don’t you hate it when that happens? The whole window pops up instead of just the link.
“The hamburger of the birth”
In all my years I have never heard of a birth described that way and I have witnessed a few. Sounds more like he is describing an abortion than the birth of his grand-daughter. That idiot has about as much moxie as a retarded baboon. (no offense to baboons)
TheJBmission said, on October 5, 2010 at 3:24 pm
Wow…awfully defensive, aren’t we?
Bees, here is the way you do it with html code. Be sure to put the space between the a and the h and no other spaces.
Type text here
Your link:
FBI Interview George Anthony Part 2
Bees, sorry, that didn’t work, I will show you a different way.
Hey guys if you use this link then go to page 48 you will find statements of real TES searchers, then if you go to page 217 you will see Laura B’s stuff, NOW if defense plans on using this chick they are really NUTS !!
Click to access 032310-anthony1.pdf
Mercy this blog is getting painfully slow, going to see if I can put together a live chat if you guys want to try it.
hey friends, good evening,bullchit
Red Herring said, on October 5, 2010 at 4:59 pm
Thanks RH for the link, YEP! That Laura Bucanan is another NUT JOB friend of CA’s. She is the one that was “dodging her Deposition w/Burdick,” when Burdick mentioned it in Court saying it was a PROBLEM w/Laura’s attorney, I’m thinking, WHY DOES SHE NEED AN ATTORNEY.
Then we learned that L D Burdick found a Hinky Document that the Defense had & she didn’t. It was LAURA BUCHANAN’S “falsified sheet” of where she searched & Baez’s PI & LB are being looked at for that. Joe Jordan was the first to alert LD Burdick that the PI showed him the “dummied sheet” in which LB claimed she searched the area where Caylee’s remains were found BUT JOE JORDAN’S group was in that area. He didn’t even know who LB was! This is an ongoing investigation!
When credible people have all said the same thing, imo, IF Mason/Baez unearths a few “rogue searcher’s who claim they went there ON THEIR OWN & NOT W/TES,” imo, they need to be VETTED! There are always those that continue to want to insert themselves into the case.
Thanks too for the other links friends, I am going to check them out.
LindaNewYork, It was a WONDERFUL Day for JUSTICE for Dr. Petit’s Family! One scumbag down, one scumbag to go. I don’t know how one heals from such a tragedy.
Bees, try this.
CAN TES VOLUNTEER BE BELIEVED?
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/?p=22312
TheJBmission said, on October 5, 2010 at 3:24 pm
Wow…awfully defensive, aren’t we?
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Who wrote this?? It links back to JB’s site..LOL
Now what? Gimme a break and grow the eff up tupid!
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/
If you all want to get together for a live chat I have embedded a live chat.
When you open the page at the top you will see a square in that you see Nick Name then a blue enter tab.
It is a java chat so you do need java, if you do not have it you can get it free just google Java.
thought it would be nice to get together and chat in real time.
Maybe we can pick a day & time and get together, might be fun.
BEES KNEES said, on October 5, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Judy, the subject came up on another blog about the inappropriateness of george’s over-the-top reaction when he and cindy come home one evening and found casey, Caylee and Jesse hanging out in casey’s bedroom. I somehow missed this when it was first released. Judy, you’re likely already aware of this. Apparently all three of them were fully-dressed, ON the bed (not IN the bed) watching television, with Caylee in the middle. The extreme way George reacted to that was as though he were very jealous. He threw Jesse out of the house!!!!!
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LindaNewYork said, on October 5, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Hi Bees. I remember reading about George freaking out when her, Jesse and Caylee were hanging out on the bed.
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That was Cindy who flipped out, not George. And Jesse doesn’t say Caylee was in the bed with them.
From his September ’08 LE Interview:
“JG: Uhm, you know uh, to be honest, uhm, I have a wealth of Casey Anthony information just because of how close I’ve been to her for an extended period of time, and I’ve seen that family dynamic. Uhm, you know, uh, Cindy uh, Cindy is, Cindy Anthony is uh, uh, I think I mentioned you know, uhm, at one point during our relationship I fell asleep on top of the covers while Casey and I were engaged, and Cindy came home and immediately just went off and started screaming at me from the kitchen. Uhm, and from that point on it seemed like that woman’s had some sort of vendetta against me. Uhm, so anything that, that comes out of her mouth in regards to me uhm, I, I just wouldn’t be surprised by anything that she says to be a hundred percent honest with you. I wouldn’t be surprised by anything that she says. So, but I have a lot of information that I’m willing to, to give, you know, if anything that I think of helps I’m, I’m totally going to say something. But you know, I don’t know what else there is for me to, to share.”
Click to access jgrund090908.pdf
Judy –
I guess I am not being clear enough. I understand the points you made. I was looking for your source.
You stated that Casey made claims of sexual abuse to Jesse and Tony.
I pasted Jesse’s testimony from his LE interview in which he stated that Casey insinuated/implied that Lee attempted to pressure her into having sex with him and she did not explain any further (he did not say she claimed sexual abuse actually occurred). And I have yet to see anything mentioned by Tony in an interview. So with an unclear, indirect statement to Jesse and a non-existent one (so far) to Tony, you are seemingly contrarily saying sexual abuse claims WERE made to them. I couldn’t understand how you were qualifying their statements to the hearsay rule you quoted.
But anyway, we can let it go. It’s just going in circles. I’ll let it escape my mind until I (or IF I) come across more direct statements by Jess and Tone. I just wanted to make a last try of making myself a little clearer.
Sunny –
Doi. I didn’t realize the ramifications of my question to you. I didn’t know it might jeopardize your identity. But I can understand if you’re in a small community. I was only asking because both of my parents are/were heavily involved in the prison system throughout their careers. I can’t state what my dad’s job title or where he worked because it would easily identify him by a Google search. My mom has served on several prison boards – San Quentin, Folsom and Valley State Prison for Women.
And yes – I’m in Calif!
Alright. This blog is now freezing on me. It’s getting unbearable here with how loaded down this thread is. I’ll haven’t read all the comments, I’m gonna split for now.
Someone should start a new blog so we can move the convo there and have refreshed pages, cuz it doesn’t look like it’s gonna happen here!
*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT* – it could be an “Open Forum” type of thang. *HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*HINT*
Oh WAIT – Bees. The describing the gentitalia as “Hamburger”.
Big misinterpretations going on with that, it is not twisted or inappropriate to use the hamburger analogy for a baby girl. I thought it was more widely done, but I guess not… seeing people’s reactions to George mentioning it. I, and most of my friends, when learned of the sex of my children were shown the image on the monitor and explained how it looked like a hamburger for a girl and a hot dog for a boy. So then when you go and tell your family and friends you tell them you’re having a “hamburger”, or a “hot dog”. When I found out the sex of my youngest daughter it was a few days before Mother’s Day, so when I had my mom over that day, I dropped hints by making hamburgers for dinner, giving her a card with a hamburger on it, etc.
George’s brief comment about it in his interview does come off as super bizarre if someone hasn’t heard of these analogies before, and he didn’t make it clear at all as to what he was saying. He mentioned it as if they knew what he was talking about and they seemed to know, so he didn’t explain it in full.
Hi woo, talkin to yourself again? LOL!
OK, stand corrected on the G vs C getting mad.
And I never heard the hamburger or hot dog thing.
I, at one time was thinking of strarting a blog, so that when this one started with the huge lag, we could take it over there. No articles or anything, just chatting.
It IS getting annoying to comment here.
judy, did anyone live chat at your place?
Linda I just set the chat up last night if some of you want to try it out to see how it works today lets go for it.
Hi Woo, the lag is why I put in the java chat over on my site, the freeze, and time it takes to get a post done is mind numbing here.
Woo:
I’m sorry I misunderstood your question, stamp (DUH) across my forhead.
Tony L’s statement was as Jesse’s, brief, I will have to find it but I want to say it was very very early in the case, the officer talking to him ask if she had ever said anything about being abused, and he said something much like jesse did.
I will try to find it for you.
Good morning judy!
I started a temp job last week, so not around during the day. And have been too tired when I come home coz I am on the computer all day. Literally. But will check out when I get home for a little bit. I saved my password/log in info. Haven’t been to your place lately. Last time I was just reading.
It IS easier, if you have a lot to say, to write comment in word then paste here.
Guess I will try to e-mail Craig today too.
Have a good day!
I don’t have a problem posting here. Are you guys using Internet Explorer? That might be your problem. I use Firefox, and I don’t have lag at all when I’m typing out a comment. You guys might try it.
Linda I put the java chat over on the open site, not the private forum so you do not need to log in unless you want to.
I have never had a problem posting here either. I use GOOGLE Chrome, they say, “faster than a speeding bullet!” LOL! I don’t understand why a comment has to be typed in Word & then pasted, but, I am computer challenged when it comes to problems like that.
I think LindaNewYork mentioned she made a comment & it didn’t post, I have done that also a few times, it just goes POOF!
THis site is on OVERLOAD!
WooBabie had a good idea, AN OPEN FORUM FOR DISCUSSION CRAIG would be great!
judypc, I went to your site for “chat” & it said you had to install JAVA if you didn’t have it, I don’t, I will check again later on it, I am short on time, thanks.
I use Google and don’t have a problem typing, but it takes a while to load the comments after a new post.
Here is an interesting article by Lillian Glass. She sure likes Kathi Belich and says she would read any book KB writes…..I whole heartedly agree.
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/10/lillian-glass-kathi-belich-and-cheney.html
frankie, I too would read a book by K Belich & she could always include “comments & discussions she & Mr. Sheaffer had on the case.”
I too WANT to read judypc’s book!
frankie, I have been reading your comments at Hinky but I read so much later than you post, maybe there are a 100 comments between that I can’t respond to your thoughts. They are always interesting, good to see you!
Wonder where Morgan is, she was just too entertaining!
Hi all! I’m just checking comments now and then have to run. Looks like some interesting reading for me when I get back. Linda, Cindy might have tripped out too but I was listening to George describe the situation and his reaction to it when he was being interviewed by the FBI. It’s I believe in Part No. 3 from the link I left yesterday. I’ll check more closely when I get back.
Oh, my gosh! WooBabie, THANK YOU for explaining the hamburger/hot dog issue. I feel like an idiot!! When I heard him make the remark my hair almost stood on end, I was so horrified. It still seems like a bit of an odd thing for Grandpa to say, but at least the truth you’ve provided is definitely more acceptable.
WAHHHHHHHHHHH! WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
DEFENSE WANTS MORE TIME TO VIEW TES DOCUMENTS!
Mason said yesterday that he would take the time he needed! EARTH TO MORON MASON! Judge P is running the Case, you are ONLY a participant & an annoying one at that! ONLY Judge P will ALLOW you more time, IF HE WANTS!
But hey, WORK NIGHTS & WEEKENDS FOOLS!
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2010/october/158954/Casey-Anthonys-defense-to-ask-for-more-time-to-review-Texas-EquuSearch-documents
art tart — I really must ask — why are you so very indignant about an attorney wanting more time to prepare for the defense? And, why are you SHOUTING? Do you think that helps or shows your caring for Caylee? And, no this is nt SNARK … just curiosity!
Yo, it’s because they’ve had a LONG time to view those TES documents, and their time has been extended already by the judge. They’ve had a lot of time to do a lot of other things too, like depositions, and Judge Perry has given them a deadline. This case has been going on for two years already, and by the time the trial rolls around, it will have been almost 3 years. The longer it takes to get to trial, the more it costs Florida taxpayers. And you don’t see the state asking for extensions, do you? They’ve done their job in the time allotted, and now are just tying up loose ends.
Yo Hola!
If you had a grand-daughter that was murdered and disposed of like trash, would you want to wait for almost three years to receive justice for her? I dare say you wouldn’t. It has been two years and two months since Caylee was murdered. The defense has had ample time to prepare for this trial. They could have completed their discovery on the TES records since they have been allowed over a year and a half to view them and question any witnesses. They have inundated the court with many motions to try and stall for time. (the majority of which have been denied) They have changed up their defense strategy numerous times and we have yet to figure out which one they are going with. They have lost attorneys and likely expert witnesses and have added numerous attorneys. Up to @ 15 at this point.
What other “indigent” defendant in history that you know of, has had this so called “Dream Team” to defend them at a horrendous cost to the taxpayers of Florida. (pro bono my rear end) There are only a very few of you who feel the way YOU apparently do.
I could appreciate you playing devil’s advocate but all you have done since I have read this blog is “SNARK” and to the best of my recollection not given anyone the benefit of just exactly where you stand; only to let us assume that you believe Casey is not guilty.
If you are so naive as to not understand the charade this defense is perpetuating, you need to open your eyes and read. This is a travesty for Caylee’s memory and Justice to obfuscate, stall and play the court like a cheap drum. It should be obvious to you that the defense is trying to stall this trial as long as they can and spin their web of lies to taint any possible Jury pool.
J. Chaney Mason bit off more than he can chew and now is using all the bluster he can to delay delay delay. I hope to God that Judge Perry knocks him down a couple pegs at the next status hearing.
What I don’t understand is why you continually come to this forum with your snide little one or two liners and NOT give us the benefit of just why you think Casey is NOT guilty of the murder of Caylee Marie Anthony?
Take the time to give us your step by step lay opinion as to why SODDI or why you believe that all the circumstantial evidence against Casey is flawed and she will go free. Otherwise wouldn’t you be better served on a Pro Casey Anthony forum?
YO “I Like Beer” is absolutely correct. For those of us that have followed this case from the beginning, we have watched the Moronic Baez promote himself through interviews, fly repeatedly to New York to to appear Nationally on TV spewing propaganda claiming KC was innocent, Vacation on Geraldo’s boat while appearing on Geraldo at Large, ALL the while he could have been doing Depositions & having those investigated that he wanted, he CHOSE NOT TO! He CHOSE to use KC’s money to “pay himself with all of his 3 yrs. legal experience, a Salary which has exhausted all of KC’s money resulting in VERY LITTLE WORK being produced.
More than 75 % of the Depositions could have been completed, Most of the investigation could have been completed, INSTEAD, Baez did a few depositions, filed a lot of failed Motions, & A Lyon’s did the bulk of the work MAKING NO SALARY on the MOTIONS arguing against the DP. That’s what KC got for $325,000.00 BUT, Baez, in spite of paying himself well, now has 2 homes in foreclosure & KC had little work produced for the money.
Baez MIGHT think Judge P is stupid, but those following this case have watched this “scam of a defense” waste all this time & money to produce nothing. TES could have been looked at for months, but Baez thinks the MORE he pisses & moans, the MORE he will get his way. He COULD have done the work, but he thought he would “Wear Judge P down, Judge P would relent & allow them to COPY everything, they would take it back to his office & have a clerk make the calls, Baez & Mason didn’t want to “do the hard work.” NOW, they can’t get it done in the alloted time but they “CAN CERTAINLY WORK EVENINGS & WEEKENDS as Judge p has told them.
The DEFENSE WHINED about Amy H. at the last Status Hearing with Mason, that idiot, chiming in & whining about Amy H’s work schedule BUT Burdick quickly pointed out that they had 2 years to take her deposition! Judge P shut Mason’s loud mouth of quick, making him look ridiculous.
Baez COULD have picked up the “Tips in Caylee’s Murder” two years ago he requested but 2 years ago when he found out the cost was $2,000.00 for copying, he allowed them to sit there for 2 years. KC had money! Baez ONLY got those tips when KC was declared Indigent so KC didn’t have to spend her money, it went directly to Baez as his salary! Outrageous! Just think, he even has the NERVE to piss & moan every single hearing! Judge P didn’t start on this case for two years that Baez wasted the Court’s time, Judge P needs to get up to speed at WHY this work isn’t done. It’s always about the money.
Red —– I do not know precisely what happened to that precious little girl — I have never said that I believe Casey is not guilty — I do not know — however , ranting at the defense team, in my view does nothing to honor the memory of the Caylee.
I cannot lay out why I think SODDI — because I don’t necessary believe SODDI — nor do I necessarioly believe the circumstantial evidence is flawed. I DO believe there is a lot that we, the blogworld does not know !
AND, I thought Bill’s blog was a legal blog — NOT a CON Casey Anthony forum!
I don’t understand how belittling the defense makes things better.
Gotta run — bbl …..
BREAKING NEWS:
A WBS TV reporter witnessed a woman named judypc sitting under a shade tree in a park weaving what appears to be a hat. When asked why, Ms pc responded “I am making this in the possibility that I may have to eat it come June or July 2011.
Cathy Babich reporting from WBS TV.
😉
Red Herring, I agree with your comment,many good points, this Defense has IRKED me to death with their incompetence, STILL looking for any defense, trying to blame ANYONE, forever pissing & moaning, all predictable!
For all the tactics of stalling, the Defense is pressed to the wall. I agree, Mason has bitten off more than he can chew, I really wonder “how up on the case Mason really is” and I wonder about “his retention, how much he absorbs” as he comes off as a “loose cannon, not someone that has practiced law for many years.”
Remember when Baez “was out of town” & Mason gave the press conference, “Claiming no one searched the remains site because it WAS UNDER WATER!” LOL! DUH! Just as Tim Miller & the photos showed, exactly as they said! Boy, that was the fastest I ever saw Baez do “damage control, remember when Mason said, “it doesn’t mean she didn’t murder her daughter,” it just means she didn’t put her there,” (something like that!), LOL, now the DEFENSE has this BOGUS document that LB searched the remains site!
Diane Tennis said she has never seen a Defense Team so “Micromanaged before!” LOL! The Taxpayer’s are paying for this ridiculous Defense, they want it ended, EVEN being micromanaged, the Defense still can’t function within the guidelines Judge P has laid out.
Wow….I had to download Mozilla Firefox yesterday to even get in here. The other day got a message saying page was overloaded, or something like that. It was screwing up my computer.
I had e-mailed Craig Weds. morning asking if he could do anything about the lag and he said:
“nope, i don’t control the load time. hopefully bill will do a new post soon.”
Anyway…I guess others are having problems too?
Well, hello and good-bye….LOL!
Hmmm, now that I downloaded Mozilla Firefox, I have absolutely no problem writing a comment!!!!
OFF TOPIC!
LindaNewYork, I read this evening that AL Pacino is going to Star in the Made for TV Movie on Phil Spector! COOL!
Yes, it seems it would be nice to have an OPEN FORUM on Caylee’s case. I hope Laura Bucanan ROLLS OVER on everybody that helped her “create the drama about searching the remains sight.” I thought for sure there would be a MOTION today by the Defense whining about needing more time to view the records of TES!
art,
If you all want to use an open forum until we get a new page you are welcome to use the case against Casey site.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/
It is a different format than here but is easy to catch onto, I also have it fixed with a few gadgets such as you can post photos, a live chat and of course music lol classic rock of course.
I too downloaded firefox, it seems some better but is still painfully slow.
Art: TY…
I like Beer and Red Herring: Excellent comments! baez squandered his clients money and has provided little work in return. Even though I am convinced casey murdered Caylee, she has, IMO, been swindled,
Red: Particularly enjoyed the Breaking News alert LOL
Judy: I enjoy your site! I also enjoy the diversity this site offers because it is so public and many people find it simply by reading the local news. Maybe Mr. Sheaffer will offer up a new article soon.
Oh…and Bees, I too had never heard the hamburger reference. Hence was totally confused about george’s comment. But I am used to being confused by anthony speak.
Hi judy, thanks for the invite…I was there the other nite on live chat, but no one was there! Got lots of stuff to do today, will stop by later.
Off topic: art, did you see Dateline NBC last nite? It was about Petit case. I was thinking of you. Thanks for the info about Spector movie. I’m sure Pacino will be great in it. Can’t wait to see him in a crazy wig. LOL!
Hi frankie. Yeah, Anthony speak. So glad to see they are laying low. For now, at least.
OFF TOPIC:
LindaNewYork, I did see DATELINE last night. Painful to watch, but I am in “awe” of all the family accomplished in their lives. I think also, Dr. Petitit, without realizing it, is doing an “excellent job of showing America WHY the DP is important, to brutally murder 3 beautiful people, rape them, abuse them, & then catch their them & home on fire is such a horrendous crime that I can’t imagine the horror as I watch the evidence presented. For those that don’t get it, they should consider if “just because their family was beautiful,” they were followed home from the grocery store & two scumbags come back that evening to murder them, they NEVER will get it.
Al Pacino starred in the MOVIE about Jack Kavorcian soon to be released w/Susan Sarandon. The name of it is: “YOU Don’t Know Jack!” I plan to see the movie as Dr. Kavorican made his case for “Assisted Suicide” & served prison time.
Frankie, LOL, besides being “swindled,” imo, KC was “scammed as she did to so many,”
I read some peeps think the ANT’s are laying LOW because they are writing their book. LOL! It should have a warning sign: BE CAREFUL! A BOOK OF LIES! You could GO BLIND if you read it!
RH: funny, I needed that!
judypc, thanks for the invite friend!
A MUST READ FROM THE ORLANDO SENTINEL!
EVIDENCE COULD BE USED FOR THE FIRST TIME IN ANTHONY CASE:
A Snipet:
In a case now brimming with legal brainpower, the prosecution may have an interesting advantage here: Jeff Ashton. The veteran assistant state attorney helped successfully get DNA findings introduced in a 1987 Orange County rape case.
It was the first time that evidence was ever presented in a U.S. courtroom. Introducing the evidence here all those years ago brought national media attention and, ultimately, broad awareness of a science now used to prove guilt and also exonerate those wrongly accused.
“We realized how amazing this tool would be in solving cases,” Ashton said.
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God I love Jeff Ashton, a tireless advocate for Victim’s, a tireless advocate for Caylee! State Prosecutor’s could certainly make more $$$$$$$ representing murderer’s trying to hire “attorney’s to spin the law or blame other’s, ” KUDOS for those that choose to put “scumbags away that murder.”
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-air-science-20101008,0,1844155.story
Okay, seems my comment was lost from yesterday, probably forgot to enter my name/e-mail.
Hi art, finally read the OS article. There is always a “first” for scientific evidence. I think Cindy, George and detective testimony on the decomp smell, coupled with the scientific findings will do the trick and all the other evidence, circumstantial and otherwise.
Hellooooooo? Is anybody out there?????????? LOL
I’ve just about had my fill of this case. There’s something we aren’t getting. All along I’ve praised the Judges (Strickland & Perry) but more and more I’m becoming critical of both. I don’t know a lot about procedure, it’s true, but it seems like the judge is the only one who can rein that team of liars in. So, why doesn’t he? Why have they allowed this case to turn into such a terrible, huge, tangled mess?
Does anyone have any idea as to why first Strickland, and now Perry, seem to dance to the defense’s tune? They turn a blind eye to public, rude attacks on the Prosecution, grant them extension after extension (yeah, I know Perry has set down deadlines but so far we haven’t seen him actually enforce one yet), allowing them more and more TES information (look at the mess that has created!!!) turn another blind eye to court procedures (gum chewing, note passing, laptop communication in court etc.) and is he REALLY considering allowing casey to be present for the depositions???? Why does he need time to think about that??? What will we think about that, if he does allow it? There are many other examples, so what the hell is going on? Start right at the start. How did casey come to find Bozo in the first place? I know she says she got his name from another inmate but I don’t believe that ~ it stretches the imagination to think that pathological liar casey, would (just by chance) end up with possibly the shadiest lawyer in Florida who already seemed to have things in place to turn a little girl’s murder into a three-ring circus that could possibly lead to his fame.
Do you think I’ve gone completely around the bend? I really don’t know what to think, but at the risk of being labeled a paranoid, conspiracy theorist, I do think there’s a big piece of information missing that would shed some light on this case and from here on in I’m paying more attention to Judge Perry. This is his mess and I’m really hoping he will clean it up. If he does, Judy, I’ll share that hat with you if you’ll let me.
Hi mix!
No, Bees. You haven’t rounded the bend. I’ve wondered many of the same things and thought perhaps Judge Perry might feel as though he owes Mason a favor or two, or at least some degree of respect that would allow Mason to bend a rule or two.
Perhaps the two are old familiar friends who play poker every Saturday night. That’s not my common sense speaking, but the other “nonsensical” part of me that’s convinced Judge’s can be swayed like everyone else, though the other half of me hopes to high heaven the truth is that Perry is allowing the defense as much leeway as possible, to lessen the possibility of an acquittal, or re-trial due to ineffective counsel or some inappropriateness on the part of the judge, on appeal, and there will certainly be an appeal.
Mason obviously has some measure of clout in the courtroom. The first we saw of this was with Strickland when Mason dared to impose, “Do you trust me?” The implications of that are troubling. Such a question should never have been asked and that Mason did ask and Strickland answered was most improper, and yet it seemed that Strickland felt he owed Mason an answer, lest he would have done the more proper thing and refused to respond.
It is so frustrating to watch. None the less, you are not alone in your observations.
Bees, I am also appalled at the words used to describe genitalia. What the hell is wrong with vagina and penis number one, and grandpa, he no doubt has a dirty old man verbal
behind closed curtains. I did think it was Cindy who was reported to have thrown Jesse out of the house at that time. Was there another similar incident? jmo
Do you folks really believe what you’ve written…………..bees and hunter —— why do you actually feel that??? What do you know???? Just asking …. it’s amazing to me. ..sorry …..
Thank you Hunter for your calm, logical voice of reason! You may be right about them having a relationship outside the courtroom. For what it’s worth I desperately do hope I’m wrong. I want to believe there will come a day of reckoning for some of the major players in this case. Like everyone else, I want to believe that good will overcome bad. I had high hopes of Judge Perry putting a stop to the defense team’s bullsh*t but, for whatever reason, it only seems to be getting worse. I also think he should have supported NeJames/TES more than he did.
BB I’m not sure about Cindy throwing Jesse out of the house. It may have been a different time. The time I’m referring to was when George was speaking to the FBI about it. He sounded much more like a jealous boyfriend than a concerned parent. According to him, Cindy intervened and told George to let her handle it. You can hear him explaining to Feds if you go to the link I left above (October 5 at 7:24). I can’t recall if he mentions it in that particular clip but it is somewhere within the same interview.
I can’t wait for LE/NeJames to get to the bottom of the Laura Bucanan debacle, after all, it was Baez’s PI that showed J Jordan the BOGUS DOCUMENT that said L Buacanan searched Surbanban Drive.
HMMMMMMMMMMMM! Baez PI using illegal RECORDER against J Jordan, Baez’s PI showing J Jordan “BOGUS document that L Bucanan SEARCHED Suburban Drive,” DUH, J Jordan contacts STATE ATTORNEY’S & now the whole “Drama created by Baez’s PI & L Bucanan is under investigation.”
Is this the DOCUMENT MASON claims to have seen or CREATED??” I swear! You can’t make this bull chit up! The lengths this defense is willing to go for KC will ultimately be a “reflection of their character the rest of their career.” Their JUST DESERT imo!
Al Pachino, the BEST EVER for that role, I do wonder if the believes Spector is guilty or innocent. I guess he need not care. Haven’t seen Al Pacino in a bad role yet, should be
a good ” weird kind of mystery” to see.
Thank you Bees Knees!
BB, I loved Al Pacino in Donnie Brasco, I saw “Joe Pistone” on ID Channel the other night, describing his character, Donnie Brasco & the “biggest MOB convictions in FBI History as a result of his role undercover.”
The thing about Phil Spector, besides being a brilliant music producer, he had a long & sorted history of threatening women w/Guns, J Lennon eventually refused to record with him because of his brandishing of guns, & ironically died at the hand of a fan by a gun. Phil Spector was a real scary guy, as his son said, “if you threaten enough with a gun, it will eventually go off.” I hope they show Dr. Lee WITH HOLDING EVIDENCE in that case, I am less than impressed w/Dr. Lee, seems another expert willing to do whatever it takes for a murderer. I hope the movie is written from the “Victim’s Family’s perspective, Lana Clarkson, NOT the propaganda of the DEFEATED Defense Team.
I too hope that the movie on Caylee’s case, will be written from the prospective of the STATE & the Victim, Caylee Marie, NOT the self adsorbed Anthony family or the self promoting defense.
NEWS ALERT!
NUTJOB LAURA BUCANAN HAS BACKED OUT YET AGAIN OF HER STATE DEPOSITION FOR THE SECOND TIME!
(her attorney claims she is ill, LOL, she really is mentally ill but that won’t get her out of a STATE deposition, looks like Judge P will be setting up this deposition with a DEFENSE WITNESS!)
MR. SHEAFFER SAID:
“It is certainly suspect and damning to the defense that all of a sudden she’s too ill to proceed with the deposition,” WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said.
If investigators find Buchanan did falsify records in the death penalty case against Caylee’s mother Casey, Buchanan could be in serious legal trouble.
BILL SHEAFFER: Analysis Of Witness No-Show!
VIDEO REPORT: Witness Backs Out!
http://www.wftv.com/news/25370431/detail.html
OMG-Laura Buchanan…Add another liar to the bunch. Exactly what was her motive? Why would anyone lie in a murder investigation, besides, of course, C,G&L, The defense team and Casey herself?? (oh and Joy Wray). Sleaze seems to find sleaze in this case.
Hi everybody! Was pretty quite around here for a while!
I like how to counter the Laura Buchanan debacle the defense issues a statement saying:
“…repeating last week’s claims that it found another 150 Texas EquuSearch volunteers who searched Suburban Drive for Caylee.”
HAHA
And like Bill Scheaffer said in the WFTV article:
“Were there any witnesses that can testify that they were at the location where Caylee’s body was found prior to the discovery of the body and that the body wasn’t there? That’s the sole issue,” Sheaffer said.
Sheaffer says, if they don’t have that, they can do all the press releases and media interviews they want, but it won’t help Casey convince a jury in that she’s innocent.
Nope. Wont’ help convince a jury she is innocent. That girl is toast and has been from the beginning.
Yo hola, it’s amazing to ME…what do YOU know? If you find what you read here so incredulous, why the heck do you even bother reading here. We seem to annoy you (as much as you annoy us). Why bother. I do not ever see you at all the other Pro-Prosecution/Casey-is-without-a-doubt-guilty blogs putting your 2 cents in at ALL the similar comments that bother you, oh so much. Fact filled OR opinion filled.
Hey art. I must have been writing while you were submitting. Laura Buchanan. Pfft. I sure hope all these who have obstructed this case are charged, prosecuted with obstruction/perjury and do some jail time.
Hinkey Meter on Laura Buchanan:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/10/12/laura-buchanan-contracts-tighty-syndrome-and-cancels-depo/
LOL!
LindaNewYork, hey, LMAO! You gotta read Valhall’s latest on NUTJOB Laura Buchnan. It’s hilarious. YEP! Judge P will take care of this LYING POS!
Valhall said:
LAURA BUCHANAN CONTRACTS TIGHTY SYNDROME & CANCELS DEPOSITION!
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/10/12/laura-buchanan-contracts-tighty-syndrome-and-cancels-depo/
LOL! A KEY Defense Witness B U S T E D yet again for being a liar!
LindaNewYork! LOL! we again posted a minute apart! Birds of a feather!
I have been watching the latest on little10 yr. old Zahara, who had bone cancer, a prosthetic leg, & hearing aids for the last few days, it seems her step mother has admitted she is dead today. Another heartbreaking conclusion to yet another child murdered.
Hi art. Yes, birds of a feather! I’ll fly with you anytime.
Just read Val and commented.
By the way Hunter and Bees, your observations and questions are right on. However, I believe Judge Perry is the utmost professional and I think there is a method to what some may see as his madness. LOL!
Just when you think there is no more news….
http://www.wesh.com/r/25368899/detail.html
Anthony Defense Gets OK To Look At Coffin Flies, Caylee’s Hair
Got this in my news feed on Facebook, Casey Anthony Updates.
LindaNewYork, you could well be right, “there is a reason to the madness,” it isn’t too late for Judge P to “buckle down” on the defense, this bull chit with Laura Buchanan, the extended time needed for the Volunteer Searcher’s to be contacted, then the “CIRCUS will come back whining about needing more money for an investigator to investigate the searcher’s, or, to KRONK THE Volunteer’s as seems to be the way they investigate people, spew propaganda in the Media & they think they have created Reasonable Doubt! LOL!
A WS peep figured up the amount of hours afforded the Defense for KC, 300 hours, as of last month, the PI had used 275 hours! Now, Finnell is asking for 100 hours for an investigator, NOW the defense will ask for WHO KNOWS how many hours for all of the Volunteer Searcher’s to be KRONKED!
There will be a STATUS hearing at the end of the month, BUT, there seems to be many issues, such as Judge P SETTING the deposition for Laura Buchanan, & LOL, we will see if it gets done plus the financial issues of the Defense. I EXPECT more MOTIONS from the DEFENSE, it’s about that time!
It’s like a holiday with the Ant’s out of our face, GOOD RIDDANCE!
Art Tart, getting back to movies briefly, Al Pacino in Scarface and Johnny Depp in Blow
left their great impression me as actors more than the story itself, so I can imagine Al Pacino will be a best actor in the Spector movie, but doubt that it will be from the perspective of the victim’s family. It will probably portray him as “troubled”, therefore excused. Anyway, I do, as you, hope any movie of the murder of Caylee Marie Anthony emphasizes the State and is portrayed as being ones who patiently held on tight and care about Caylee. Certainly the defense and the family will be shown as the fluff, but I will look for quality, and that can only come from the State. I suspect there will be so many “stories” after the trial from many different people. It is always good to read here all the steady knowledgeable, factual, and wise conversations. I would like to see the State walk into trial with a slam dunk piece of evidence beyond that as circumstantial.
BB, I agree with your above comment. KC’s case is just incredible. You would think that the Defense would “TRY to save KC’s life” & give a jurist much more credit than they have thus far by spewing anything to try to “create reasonable doubt” though no one is buying the propaganda, not even the pundits.
I agree with M NeJames when he called Baez “Incompetent & a Liar,” he said that at the beginning of this case a COMPETENT Attorney would have approached the STATE for a plea of 15 years, in return KC would have to tell LE where Caylee was & how she was murdered. That was a ” million smirk’s ago, hundreds of News Conferences or Media Tours,” Beaz hasn’t learned yet put himself first in this case thinking juror’s were morons & “reasonable doubt would be easy to manufacture.
Hi BB, art and Linda!
I love the Laura B. kerfuffle even though we all know she’s a liar anyway, but anything that further embarrasses the defense is always a good thing. As I’ve said, I’m still waiting to see Perry do more than placate the defense . . . still waiting to see him enforce the latest “NEW” deadlines . . . still waiting for him to put an end to the TES debacle . . . still waiting to see him demand some respectful behaviour in the courtroom. I do hope that those of you who expect to see better from this judge are going to be proven right. We’ll see ~ time will reveal all things.
YoHola, I see your question (and you have every right to ask it), but there’s just no point in asking ME. You and I are not at all on the same page. Respectfully, I can make very little, if any, sense from your comments. I know there are kinder souls than me here that will patiently play with you. Just not me. Sorry.
It takes me about 15 minutes to open this blog these days so I’ve been checking in only once every day or so. Craig, for the love of Travolta, why hast thou forsaken us???
Anyway, now that I’m here I’m going to read the latest comments. And a new post at Hinky’s you say . . .
(once casting begins for the made-for-TV movie, Amy Winehouse will play casey, right?)
Bees Knees, LMAO! AMY Winehouse! LOL!
Papa said GO TO RE-HAB but I said NO! NO! NO! GEEEEEEZ, what a skank. I saw pictures of her from several years ago, before she chose DRUGS as a steady diet, & she was heavier & looked okay. Geeeeeez, I saw her in a bikini in a magazine this summer & I thought my head would implode, I hope she doesn’t overdose, BUT HEY! She would make a “perfect KC, she likes the bump & grind too!”
I expect to see the chit hit the fan soon with Laura Buchanan! I hope the ANT’s are brought into the mix IF they are involved, I hope they are exposed. LB is in a lot of trouble, LOL, she doesn’t have a FREE attorney like KC or the Anthony’s! It seems she may be looking at an OBSTRUCTION charge, Judge P is “going to MAKE HER do the deposition or he will put her a$$ in jail.
There seems to be NUT JOBS available for all kinds of mischief. Donna Brock, who was terminated from TES was hanging out with MISTY CROSLIN & got busted, NOW she is serving 15 years. WHAT AN IDIOT! Now we see Laura Buchanan “dummy documents, call J Jordan & pretend to be Kentucky LE, she too is an IDIOT! No shortage for those that seem to have the “criminal mindset,” imo, we can expect MORE drama from Laura B.
Art, you know how badly I want just even one of these liars exposed. I know you do, too. There have been so many I’ve lost count. I haven’t followed the Misty Croslin story but it feels like we’ve been living Caylee’s case for ten years instead of two and a half. Poor, poor little girl. I shake my head in disbelief at least once a day, at the mess of liars that are compelled to save her murdering mother, useless black hole that she is. She doesn’t deserve any of this attention and is only receiving it from us because of Caylee.
BTW. I had to laugh the other day when I read the headline:
Casey’s Defense Experts To Examine Coffin Flies
Now, if they are examining “coffin flies” doesn’t that tell them that there was a dead body in Casey’s car???
Hi Bees!
BUT LINDA!!
Remember George saying “ THE BODY THAT WAS IN THE TRUNK WAS NOT HIS GRANDDAUGHTER!!” and you know the A’s would NEVER LIE!!
Now, I’m not sure whose body he thought it was, maybe another one of Casey’s jobs was working at the morgue transporting dead body’s.
Or there’s always Cindy’s spin, “ MAYBE SOMEONE PUT THE BODY IN THE TRUNK AT THE TOW YARD!!
They might have had an excess of dead body’s laying around and needed a place to store one.
Reminder to self… always check trunk after having car towed……..
Maybe the are going to ask Kronks son this week if he knew about any body’s Roy had laying around?
Maybe they are going to say Roy had a job as a tow truck driver on the side!!
It’s NOT cheap to keep a Murderer in Jail awaiting trial for MURDER:
TWO YEARS LATER, 67K LATER!
THURSDAY MARKS SECOND ANNIVERSARY OF MURDER INDICTMENT!
(snip)
Anthony has been behind bars for 730 consecutive days. Jail officials say the cost of feeding, housing and guarding her is about $92 per day, meaning her incarceration has cost taxpayers more than $67,000.
http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/25393770/detail.html
Judy. Ha ha. Yeah, there WAS a dead body, but it wasn’t Caylee! Oye….
When did I become LindaNew”Yoek”?
LindaNewYork! What’s up with that? Did a troll STEAL your name?
Well Hello, art tart. No, a troll didn’t steal my name. LOL! I have to type it in each time and guess I wasn’t paying attention.
Time to read around for a little while.
” Remember George saying “ THE BODY THAT WAS IN THE TRUNK WAS NOT HIS GRANDDAUGHTER!!”
Yikes JUDYPC … WHEN DID GEORGE SAY THAT?
Here is the quote on a youtube YH.
I was wondering if someone could tell me about the vacuum cleaner bags that were seized. What were the results from them? I take it the bags used by Cindy when she cleaned the trunk weren’t among them?
LoL. We from the Sow-eth (South) well know that you were just trying to impersonate us Linda from New Yo-ek! That’s what it really was, right?
Have a great weekend, all!
W.-LOL!
Thanks for the link, Lainey.
YIKES, Yo Hola. You really need to learn how to google information BEFORE you question every single thing. Try reading and following the case. Those of us who do, know waht is going on.
4:15 into this video George said, “The person who was in the back of my grand-daughter’s car is not my grand-daughter, so why don’t you guys get your facts straight.”
Well, I guess George didn’t have his facts straight either. The person who was in the back of his daughter’s car (CASEY’s), not his grand-daughter’s car, was his grand-daughter. Quite the verbal gaff.
So in effect, George admits that there was a body in the back of Casey’s car but it wasn’t Caylee. Begs the question, George, who the hell do you think the body belonged to? Sure beats the Pizza theory Cindy keeps harping on. Oy Vey iz mir.
Gee LindaNY — apparently, George did NOT say the DEAD BODY … and thank you Red Herring….. my speakers aren’t working today … but … tho’ George got things mixed up … he didn’t apparently say … the DEAD BODY … as you stated: The person who was in the back of my grand-daughter’s car is not my grand-daughter, so why don’t you guys get your facts straight…” — ALL CHILDREN SIT IN THE BACK OF A CAR … he didn’t say TRUNK either did he?
Red — oye va voy … but … he didn’t say … dead body …did he????
Yo Hola! said, on October 17, 2010 at 8:44 am
Red — oye va voy … but … he didn’t say … dead body …did he????
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Yo Hola, I didn’t post that to refute what LNY or Judypc said about a dead body. The point is that when one refers to a body, one can usually assume it is a DEAD body. Since everyone knows that Caylee was placed in the trunk which is IN THE BACK OF THE CAR, it can logically mean the trunk since most people (I don’t know about you) place their children in the back seat of the car.. Your constantly picking fly shit out of the pepper is getting quite annoying.
Red— I’m sorry you feel that way — btw… “fly shit out of the pepper” — interesting comment…anyway… I was just reply to what YOU said: , “The person who was in the back of my grand-daughter’s car is not my grand-daughter, so why don’t you guys get your facts straight.”
YOU said … “person who was in the back……” as to what George said …. how does “person” become “body”???? To me it’s tiresome to manipulate things to fit a predetermined conclusion … anyway … its a fine, crisp autumn day …. let’s enjoy it.
Red, some people have zero logic.
The “person” George was referring to was the “dead” person/body in the car. Why do so many things go over your head, yo hola? It is tiresome to have to explain things to you. How in the world do you get through the day?
se·man·tics
noun pl but singular or pl in constr \si-ˈman-tiks\
Definition of SEMANTICS
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: the study of meanings: a : the historical and psychological study and the classification of changes in the signification of words or forms viewed as factors in linguistic development b (1) : semiotic (2) : a branch of semiotic dealing with the relations between signs and what they refer to and including theories of denotation, extension, naming, and truth
2
: general semantics
3
a : the meaning or relationship of meanings of a sign or set of signs; especially : connotative meaning b : the language used (as in advertising or political propaganda) to achieve a desired effect on an audience especially through the use of words with novel or dual meanings
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Pay particular attention to “novel or dual meanings”
LindaNewYork said, on October 17, 2010 at 9:52 am
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For a lanceman …. I’m surprised…. it is what it is … how do you jump from “person” to dead body” …. it’s obviously you don’t let things go over your head …. you make them what you want them to be.
There is no such word as “lanceman”. Done with you. LOL!
Yo Hola! said, on October 17, 2010 at 10:02 am
“how do you jump from “person” to dead body”
Maybe this will explain it to you. Can it be more clear to you Yo Hola, that the “person” referred to was a “dead body”, that being of Caylee Marie Anthony”.
Newly-released documents reveal that the grandfather of a missing Florida toddler worried about the smell of death he detected coming from his daughter’s car trunk.
The Florida State Attorney’s Office in Orlando released 500 pages of documents related to the Casey Anthony case, including interviews with the 22-year-old’s parents, her former boyfriend and friends in connection with disappearance of the woman’s missing toddler, Caylee, who is presumed “dead”.
“I had bad vibes the very first day when I got that car,” the little girl’s grandfather George Anthony told investigators on July 24, adding: “I don’t want to believe that I have, have raised someone, and brought someone in this world that could do something to another person. I don’t want to believe that.”
The former cop told police that he was concerned about a familiar odor wafting from the trunk of his daughter’s Pontiac Sunfire. As a former investigator, he said, he recognized the smell of “death”.
George Anthony’s wife Cindy, who told the media the smell was that of decomposing pizza, noticed the odor in their daughter’s car too, he said in interviews with detectives.
“After we pulled inside the garage … her exact words were, ‘Jesus Christ what died?’” George Anthony told police. “That’s exactly what she said. But then she said it in a way, she says, ‘George, it was the pizza right?’ And I said, ‘Yeah, it was the pizza.’
“And that’s what I left it go at that, but, I’m sitting here as the grandfather, as the father, as George Anthony and as a guy who smelled the smell before years ago, and you just never forget it. I even stuck my nose down on it and I’m, I’m concerned.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,448106,00.html
Linda, Judy, why do we bother? Or is it our mission in life to inform the ill informed or those who will not seek out for themselves what we can easily find in literally hundreds of places on the net.
Lanceman —- “countryman” … MOT — member of the tribe …someone you learned early in life never spell out THE NAME … so it’s G-d —- we learn it and it’s something we never stop doing…. enjoy your day … lol 🙂
I know, Red, why bother.
No matter how many times you provide a link to substantiate what you are saying, it still does not compute for some. Some people put 2 + 2 together and get 5. What can ya do?
Hi Red, Linda.
Mercy, it is so hard to be a good gal all the time lol. I try, really I do, but some folks just won’t let it happen.
ALRIGHTY!! Time to let rip..
Earlier, on the day of Georges diatribe news was released that test results had come back on the trunk and there was evidence of decomp, no pizza, no squirrels, evidence of human decomp.
Just before Georges rant someone from the sidelines ask, about the “body in the trunk” not sure if it was a member of the media, or an onlooker that ask the question.
And his rant was the reply given to that question.
So suffices to say, it does not take a huge leap to equate dead body in trunk of the car to his angry outburst.
If you listen to the video, you hear the news anchor tell, that George went into a rage when ask about the newly released evidence of a body in the trunk.
So, no leaped to any conclusions as to what the subject matter was, “a dead body, in the back of the car” it would seem however that someone that refuses to enlighten themselves as to the facts will use any excuse to attack posters and then become pissy when someone dares call them on their shots.
Perhaps, it would behoove someone to become clued-up before they go on the attack and as my pop use to say “ better to have folks think you are a fool, than to open your mouth and prove you are”
Now RED don’t fuss at me for being snarky the devil made me do it!! 😉
You, judypc, snarky? 😉
Lesson for the day. Let’s see what Yo Hola says about this.
Although Abraham Lincoln was attributed to having said, “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.” it was not only he that was quoted as it’s origin; Mark Twain was also. Well in fact that quote was actually biblical in it’s origin. It came from (Proverbs 17:28) “Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue.” Judy, you pop was a wise man.
“There’s something wrong,” Cynthia continues to tell the dispatcher in the second call. “I found my daughter’s car today and it smells like there’s been a dead body in the damn car.”
“It smelled like something had died in the car. I smelled it. I thought something had died in the car. I didn’t know what it was. It could have been a squirrel. It could have been anything. But when we opened the trunk and we saw the maggots in the trunk with all the pizza and stuff, it was a rancid smell,” she said.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16981004/detail.html
It would appear that after reading the above quotes of Cynthia Anthony, that one would only conclude they were talking about a DEAD BODY in the TRUNK of the car. I would also conclude that possibly 99% of those who follow this case closely would not play semantic games with those who have taken the time to be informed. Hence that 1% would still try to piss on our leg and then tell us it’s raining.
Hi Judypc. Thanks for lettin’ it rip!
“Your constantly picking fly shit out of the pepper is getting quite annoying.”
ROFL…now that’s funny!
Craig, could you please turn off JavaScript for this blog until Bill posts again? It should speed up the refresh rate.
Defense Wants Casey Jail Records Sealed; Spending Questioned
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — The defense is trying a third time to seal Casey Anthony’s visitation, phone and commissary records at the Orange County jail.
The records are public for all inmates, but Casey’s defense team says releasing her records serves only to embarrass her and invade her privacy. The argument has already been rejected twice.
The state agency funding Anthony’s defense is now challenging some of the recent requests her attorneys have made for costs in the case.
http://www.wftv.com/news/25430802/detail.html
How many times are they going to ask for this. Are they hoping “third time’s the charm”? Is this third request “worded” differently? Did they address the jail and not the prosecutors this time? Why should Casey Anthony be treated any different than anyone else in jail? WTH makes HER so special?
Ok, been reading around. The new ruling the defense is “citing”. Came from a case in where defendants were “minors” , “charged as adults”.
From the Orlando-Sentinel:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-jail-records-20101018,0,4064376.story
Her lawyers cite a new ruling out of the 4th District Court of Appeal, stemming from a public-records request by the Sun-Sentinel in South Florida.
The newspaper made a public-records request through the Broward County Sheriff’s Office for the recordings of phone conversations of incarcerated defendants in a high-profile criminal case there.
The defendants, minors charged as adults in a second-degree murder case, argued that release of their calls “would prejudice their defense by increasing public scrutiny on issues collateral to the case and would violate their rights to due process and a fair trial.”
The trial court there issued an order for the Sheriff’s Office not to release any recordings that included admissions; but the department could release any other recordings to the paper.
But the appellate court late last month found that the newspaper was not entitled to any of the recorded phone calls. The ruling found that treating such calls as public records would allow “anyone to request the recorded calls.”
~~ It found that “an accused child should be able to consult with a parent without the communication becoming a public record.” ~~
Now, if this was done due the defendants being “minors”….Uh, last I looked Casey Anthony is NOT a minor. She may act like one, but she’s not!
Furthermore, sealed or not…She will be convicted of 1st degree murder anyway.
( Furthermore….Hi MIX ! )
Linda.
Next thing you know Baez is going to file a motion to repeal the Florida Sunshine Law as unconstitutional and prejudicial to his client then get all the documents sealed and have them not be admissible in court. You know, anything for the “speshul one”.
hey friends, enjoyed reading the comments.
Hey Red! The way I look at it, if you do not like the Florida Sunshine law then do not become a “criminal defense attorney” in the State of Florida. There IS a chance you will be defending “criminals” and possibly a murderer. Maybe even one who murders her almost 3 year old daughter and blames it on a a nonexistent “Nanny”.
Hi art tart!
Goodnight all !
I like the fact that jokin jose’ PAY for the other PRIVATE lawyers expenses that he brings on board.
He should have to fork over some of the bucks he made off of Caylees blood.
Yup, since Casey put all her pics and video’s on My Space, there was nothing else to sell. She and C&G coulda cleaned up! And after Casey is convicted she cannot sell “her story”, as we well know convicted killers cannot profit from their crime.
And while C&G CAN sell their story, who’s gonna buy it? Thanks to the sunshine law, we’ve already heard “their” story via LE/SAO interviews/depo’s and of course the media. It’s all out there. And besides, I’d much rather hear the “real” story from LE and the prosecutor’s (a la Marcia Clark/Chris Darden). Sure hope someone is already working on it.
My favorite CINDY Video on FOX in which Cindy tried to RUN the interview, at the end of the interview the Interviewer BLASTED CA telling her that FOX wanted answers, she pointed out that KC NEVER reported Caylee missing, CA continues to TRY to spew propaganda with Caylee sightings, but the Interviewer reminded CA that the Judge BLASTED KC, & pointed out THAT FOX asking questions & getting the FACTS out, is MORE THAN THE FAMILY HAS DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LindaNewYork, I agree with your thoughts, imo, the ANT’s have one last pay day, the one with Jim Litchenstien. IF it is a book, I don’t think it will be successful, as we have seen this dysfunctional family lie since the beginning of the case. Their agenda has been to “protect a 6 X’s felon, a thief, a liar, & baby murderer,” imo. NOTHING the defense can do will CHANGE the facts in Caylee’s death, NOTHING, imo.
IF JL produces a 2 hour 48 hr. segment which focuses on a family with a daughter facing the DP & their grand daughter murdered, focuses on them showing up for court, etc., it might be more successful for those NOT following this case. A book or their perspective in a movie, imo, will be as unsuccessful as the propaganda they spew at every opportunity, we KNOW what their about.
And Cindy whines they “don’t understand WHY their hated.”
P.I. Accused Of Witness Tampering In Casey Case
http://www.wftv.com/news/25455422/detail.html
Yup, two TES searchers are accusing them!
Sleazy, sleazy, sleazy. Casey, all the Anthony’s, all the defense attorney’s, the PI. Sleazy, lying bastards. The bunch of them. Even Henry Lee has been accused of tempering with evidence. Maybe THAT is why Andrea Lyons left. She wanted to keep her reputation intact.
HA! art tart, she is something else, isn’t she. She needs a slap across her non-stop talking face and mouth! LOL!
I was just reading at Valhall’s an came across the JAC response-Hadn’t read it before. Guess I missed it.
Now I am reading the Anthony EncycLIEpedia-Cindy and the imaginanny!!
So another one bites the dust. LOL!
Is it because of no money?
Did Linda Baden exit stage left because she does not believe, as the two eggheads do that it is all “junk science”?
Did she realize she cannot defend the forensic science the prosecution will present at trial?
Or is it likely ALL of those who jumped of the runaway train do not want to be associated with these two unethical Florida attorney’s who are defending a very guilty client, in a lose-lose case?
Very interesting that she left on the heels of the prosecution PI/sleazebag J. Lyons being accused of tampering with those TES volunteers..
All speculation, of course!
I think Queen said it best 😉
And another one down, another one gone, another one bites the dust!!
Gosh things aren’t looking very rosy for team casey these days, witness tampering, lawyers jumping ship, looks like all those big name dream team members aren’t sticking around and allowing their names to be linked with this bunch of crooks.
I knew it would ONLY be a matter of time that LK Baden would leave the case “of the mother who murdered her child.” The is a “disastrous defense, embarrassment after embarrassment, unethical, moron’s, WHO NEEDS THE HEAD ACHES! I am really surprised it has taken this long. Bill Sheaffer pointed out that “this case will follow the attorney’s for 20 yrs. & KC’s appeal attorney will claim this Defense was incompetent!” Well Hell, THEY ARE!
ALL the grandstanding this pack of bottom feeders have done, makes this resignation so SWEET! KARMA Baez!
LK BADEN LEAVES KC’S CASE:
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2010/october/164821/Lawyer-stepping-down-from-Casey-Anthonys-defense-team
LindaNewYork, I haven’t seen the PDF yet, I am looking for it, but clearly LK Baden is in the same boat Finnell is in. Judge P has already said the “travel will not be paid for attorney’s that Baez recruited, the JAC will ONLY pay travel for ONE pro bono attorney, the lead attorney.
It will be interesting to see what Judge P rules on the “costs & the JAC next Friday.” Finnell is in a little different position as Finnell’s cost are associated with the penalty phase
Too Funny! A WEB Sluether put together a COLOR CHART of KC’s Defense Attorney’s who have come & gone & stayed.
Rats on a sinking ship!
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/58079674/Casey-Anthony-Attorneys
Not only has the Dream Team lost it’s punch insofar as big name lawyers, it must also contend with the dark clouds of doubt that shroud it’s other members.
Dr Lee, now has questions about his ethics in evidence handling since the Spector case.
The P.I.’s have been woefully inept and now shown to be brazenly dishonest in their attempts to taint the evidence, this latest claim as well taints the attorneys’ reputation since the P.I. in question was reported to not only the state but to the defense by the persons involved.
Yet, the defense used this tainted evidence in an attempt to throw suspicions onto other persons, as well as defraud the court, in their motion against TES.
Then of course there is the basic thought that Jokin Jose’ is in way over his head, he lacks the skills, ethic’s and experience for a case this big.
Mason it would appear is either playing opossum with the state, or is in the early stages of dementia.
At this mid-way point they have now lost all their big bullets they had bandied about in an effort to make it look like they had a strong defense team ready to take on the State of Florida touting their powerful go to lawyers that held a celebrated place of prominence in the halls of justice.
One must wonder, just how long before the judge issues a stern warning to this defense team, or perhaps sanctions from the powers that be should be forthcoming.
IMO it would be a dishonor to allow this team to get to trial only to have the case tossed due to the inept and or corrupt actions of this group of lawyers that have only managed to bring embarrassment on themselves and a profession that should be held in the highest regard.
Better to take the bull by the horns now, rather than once the trial has taken place, I think if this case would fail and a second trial were to be warranted due to misconduct of the attorneys all would be extremely upset, and wonder “why” it was permitted to get to that point.
Hi there, I just think this defense team is not getting very much respect here. To get a judge to quit, is quite difficult and complicated, so I learned from the Wilders trial, yet Mr Baez and his team achieved that. So they can’t be that bad. And this while the money is a big problem and the team is always regrouping.
Can I do my dp thing just one more time?
If a mother is ABOUT to kill a child and I could PREVENT this only by killing the mother, now that I might do. Should do. But to kill the mother AFTER the crime took place, is that good for anything? Is that not OVERKILL? (This bright thought came from my husband this morning. I hope it makes sense. )
Have a nice peacefull day! 🙂
Ina, in your own words “you would prevent the death of a child if you could”
If you could consider the other side of the coin for a moment, if Casey is proven to have committed premeditated murder of her child, then I submit that yes the death penalty is not only viable, it is as well justified as a deterrent to the next parent or person that would decide to harm a child.
If knowing they will face the ultimate of punishment will save the life of a child, then in essence it is being used as a safety for a living, breathing, child.
No, it will not undo what has been done in this case, but this case may serve as a message to all who are considering murder.
Now, as to this defense team being able to unset a judge, in reality that is not a feat that is difficult at all.
Here, defense and the State both have many options in place to ask that a judge rescue him or herself, that does not make them legal eagles by any stretch.
In this case it proved to be a huge mistake on their part, as judge Perry is far more demanding, and less likely to allow any foolishness in the courtroom, Judge Strickland was more laid back, and often chose to allow defense a large lead way.
As well, it may be pointed out that it was Judge Strickland’s choice to step down, he was not forced to do so, and it is highly unlikely that he would have been removed from his seat had this gone before a hearing.
Everyone of Judge Strickland’s decisions has held up under Judge Perry’s rulings.
While he was much more relaxed, he was no fool when it came to the law, and while you may consider this a feat for the defense I promise you there have been many times they have since regretted this very foolish move that was truly not well thought out, nor well played.
IMO, they really never expected Judge Strickland to step down, it was a play to have a motion for appeal, Judge Strickland in reality out foxed them by taking that option away from them.
As for the money, this defense team has proven they do not handle their funds responsibly, if they were they would not be having issues where the funds are concerned.
One might look at team Casey as being foolish in their bringing on board these high profile lawyers from all over the country as an attempt to make themselves appear larger than life, only to have them jump ship before the trial has even started.
All this has done, is show these lawyers do not have confidence in this case, or the setting attorney’s and are not willing to take it to the wall.
Judypc, Queen’s “Another One Bites the Dust” is exactly what was playing in my head when I read about LKB jumping ship. HA I smell a defense press conference coming to put a spin on her departure.
I’m not sure if there has ever been a case, high profile or not, with such unethical attorneys and soooo much bad press to THIS point. We have all heard defense spin, and have seen trials where all they do is attack forensic and witness testimony, no matter how utterly ridiculous, and try to point the finger elsewhere because they have no concrete evidence whatsoever to prove their clients innocence. It is nothing new. I am aware it is the job of a defense attorney to defend their client. But these 2 attorneys take the cake in BS, and unethical and unprofessional behavior. And whining! Kinda not surprised by Baez, due to his inexperience, but Cheney Mason is supposed to be a seasoned attorney. And is it normal practice for attorneys to file the same motion over and over when they get a big “No” from the judge? They sure are leaving a big stain on the profession.
So Judy, do you think it IS possible this case could get thrown out “during” trial ?
I know if she gets the DP it will be an automatic appeal. And it most certainly is leading to an appeal, no matter what sentence she gets, due to incompetent council. Even if there is a second trial, it does not change the evidence and circumstances and she will be convicted again.
Hi ART! Yeah, I am leaning towards the money thing with LKB, although I am sure she could afford the plane fare from NY to FL. I guess pro bono does not include hotel and travel. LOL! OK, art going to check out your link to the color coded defense departures.
You need to get over the DP in this case, Ina. It is a moot point. Florida has the DP and there is nothing anyone, especially you, can do about it.
Well done Ms Judy, well done. 🙂
Linda, LKB has a few chinks in her armor and I think that she left because being on this case would cast a larger pall on her career. I doubt it is about money at all. The Spector case didn’t help her and for the life of me I don’t know why she signed onto this one. It is going to be a forensic nightmare I don’t think she wanted to deal with. The sleaze factor of those remaining might have had something to do with it as well.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-lawyer-leaves-20101022,0,1113976.story
Yup, she is saying it was due to money.
Where in the world did Jose think the money for all these high profile experts and attorneys was going to come from? Surely not from the lousy 250 g’s Casey got from selling those pics. Was he banking on more money at the time, from Casey selling Caylee? Or her C&G selling Caylee? He will be ruined after this. Hope it was worth it, Jose, you jerk. Of course I believe Casey is guilty, but this inexperienced attorney should have never taken on this or remained on this case. He is playing with someone’s life. He sould be ashamed of himself. But of course he is not.
Hi Red, Yes, she did sully her reputation with the Spector trial. As did Henry Lee. Forensic nightmare indeed!
And I agree, that was a well done response to Ina. However, the eyes will glaze over and there will be a small paragraph punctuated by a smiley face.
judypc said, on October 23, 2010 at 8:46 am (snipped):
“While he was much more relaxed, he was no fool when it came to the law, and while you may consider this a feat for the defense I promise you there have been many times they have since regretted this very foolish move that was truly not well thought out, nor well played”
Just a question here, please. Why, JudyPC, do MANY if not MOST of your posts contain the verbage “I PROMISE YOU”? It’s one thing to assert your opinion but to PROMISE there are many times the defense has regretted the foolish move?
Am I or any other reader and/or commenter here to sit back and sigh a collectective “WHEW” because you promised us your opinions are fact?
I follow several blogs regarding Casey Anthony and must say that it’s not often I see regular commenters routinely PROMISE that what they are stating is fact. IMO, promising that the statement (example above) is true would be much more compelling if you could provide me/us with evidence that you spoke with the defense team regarding the recusal of Hon. S Strickland and that they regret the foolish motion to get him removed.
Judy, that was a good explanation why you think it is best to kill Casey. In case she would try it again, but more so as a warning for other parents.
It has been proven the dp doesn’t work as a deterrent.
If killing is a legal punishment, why not use it you say. But I happen to think it is wrong, as it still is killiling. Of course this is the law of Florida (good reason never to go there) and so you say none of my business, fine, but there are rumours the president of the US is also not in favor of the dp. Now you will say: it is a federal law. But politicians are the ones to make the changes aren’t they? So if the president is against it, I bet something might happen. The federal laws might change in the end? They just need to hurry a bit in this case.
LNY- 🙂 here you go, a smile just for you then. I bet you can use one. Sorry, I never use many words in a comment of someone elses blog if I can do it with just a few.
Ina,
The President nor politicians set those laws, the people do, the gov acts as a voice of the people.
And if a President can send men and women to war, then I submit they do not have a problem with killing.
It was at one time the only people that received a D.P. was if they killed someone in the Gov, but that seemed to be saying to the people their lives were not as important.
And I can tell you yes, something would happen if he imposed his idea’s on the people, come Nov he will be looking for a job.
He can submit his idea’s to the congress, and to the people, but he can not simply say this is now the law.
We tend to get a bit testy when our vote and voice is not heard.
Ms. excuse me I seem to have forgotten, are you Yo or JB?
As for my use of I Promise you,
I promise you I really do not care what your thoughts are.
Seems you are once again, what was that Red,
” picking fly poop out of grains of pepper?”
Judy, are you saying the president is voted by people who are all in favor of the dp, then? The majority voted for him (right?) and therefor for his ideas too? So if a majority is against the dp, it should go? Perhaps you do referenda over there? Is there no lobby?
judypcwannabe – your response speaks VOLUMES. I thought I asked the question in a respectful manner. Apparently you don’t do well unless you are pontificating from your podium. Were you absent during debating-101?
Ina.
Truth is if you put 10 people in a room and ask about the D.P. there will be 3 against it, 3 for it, 2 not sure, and 2 that will say it depends on the circumstance of the crime.
The D.P. has always had it’s pro’s and cons, some people are very passionate in their beliefs, which is fine, I happen to be one of those people that tends to set in the middle and believes it depends on the crime.
I firmly contend that anyone that harms a child, the elderly, or the infirmed deserve to face the harshest of punishments.
If a victim is tortured, then yes the criminal deserves the harshest of punishments.
If, Casey had been insane, or Caylee had died as the result of a true accident, not of her mothers making, then no I would not believe the D.P was warranted, but thus far, the evidence says to me that Caylee suffered, she was unable to defend herself, she was unable to escape.
judypcwannabe- I PROMISE YOU I am neither Yo nor JB. I PROMISE YOU the ONLY time I have ever commented to you was regarding your incorrect reference to what you called “HEPA” laws pertaining to the release of Casey and/or Caylee Anthony’s medical records. I corrected you as to the proper acronym (H.I.P.A.A) and provided an overview. You were snarky then as well.
have a good day. I promise you I will.
Ms, you do not seem to have the capacity to respond in a respectful manner, you get back just what you give out.
Ina, the DP is a moot point. Florida has the DP. End of story. You have stated ad nauseum how you feel about the DP. Again, it is a moot point. Florida has the DP. It is on the table. Please get over it.
It is hard to believe someone is so freaked out by the “phrase” “I promise you”.
Judy, I guess someone was holding a grudge.
Hi Linda.
Yeah, it looks like I pee’d in someone’s corn flakes and they are not a happy camper.
Oh well, we know it can not be a love fest all of the time I suppose.
Judy, I think that Ina brings out the inner snark in almost everyone who has commented here. Hence so few posters and of course the lag time doesn’t help either.
Ina, let me help you out a bit here. President Obama won the popular vote by a bit over 5 percent of the people of the US. Today he has less than a 44 percent approval rating which means that 56 percent dissaprove of how he is running our Government. That is significantly down from his highest approval rating at his inauguration which was higher than even John F. Kennedy at his inauguration. In other words he no longer has a majority and it is dwindling by the day.
That being said, the Our President doesn’t dictate whether there is a Death Penalty or not. Only eleven States do not have a Death Penalty Statute. That seems to me a majority of the population agrees with the DP. Like it or not that is the way it is. The States make that decision not the President.
Yes we have referendums and we also have lobbyists (corrupt as they are in Europe).
Just because the majority voted for him does not in any way mean that the totality of that majority agrees with the DP as evidenced by the number of states who still have it on the books.
You could be right that the DP does not deter someone from committing capital murder but I hardly think that most murders step back for a second or two and decide whether the will get the DP before they kill someone. You see Ina, it is not all black and white, cut and dried and it has been contentious for many years in this country. I continue to see the point in you harping on something that you can do nothing about and your voice from a foreign Country means little to nothing as to changing any law or penalty here.
I have read this blog from it’s inception and it appears that you have only one agenda and that is to force your opinion about our laws down our throat and the redundancy of that is getting incredibly nauseating.
Now I don’t expect anything but a simple two sentence response from you about this followed by your usual comment, “it’s time to go make dinner”.
judypc said, on October 23, 2010 at 8:46 am (snipped):
“While he was much more relaxed, he was no fool when it came to the law, and while you may consider this a feat for the defense I promise you there have been many times they have since regretted this very foolish move that was truly not well thought out, nor well played”
judypc said, on October 23, 2010 at 10:24 am
Ms. excuse me I seem to have forgotten, are you Yo or JB?
As for my use of I Promise you,
I promise you I really do not care what your thoughts are.
Seems you are once again, what was that Red,
” picking fly poop out of grains of pepper?”
judypc said, on October 23, 2010 at 11:42 am
Ms, you do not seem to have the capacity to respond in a respectful manner, you get back just what you give out.
Wow — in my purposeful absence……. Judypc has taken my name in vain —— and MsBingo ….. all I can say re: your comments —-BINGO! 🙂
Hi red, I must dissapoint you, can’t oblige to your expectations; dinner time is over now.
As for the dp: yes I like to bring up arguments why it is a bad thing.
No the president won’t have the power, but the “movement” that got him president, the people who like things changed, the people who think the UN is making a point, the judges and lawyers, the human rights organizations and Amnesty International somehow may get a bit of response and take your country out of the middle ages, justice wise. Into the 21st century at least. This blog that you read so often, is about the law and the Casey case and since the dp is an issue if she is convicted, I think it is appropriate to mention it here every now and then. And I try to do so with respect for other commenters. Time for coffee 🙂
Inception, I don’t know the word, is that the result of a conception?
Ina:
Inception = beginning, so conception works too since it is also a beginning.
OMG-blah, blah, blah with the DP. The US in the “middle ages”.? This coming from the citizen of a country where the most “time” a murderer can be sentenced to is 20 years! Yup, seems the Dutch do not find murder such a big deal. No wonder why Ina is freaking out about the DP.
I will say once again: Get over it Ina, the DP is on the table in the case of Casey Anthony, who killed her almost 3 year old daughter. Sorry she cannot get only 20 years. And not you or anyone else can change that fact.
I almost hope Casey Anthony gets the DP just to piss you off. 🙂
(Did I really go there? – Oh yes I did!)
Well I DON’T hope she WON’T get the dp just to piss anyone off but because it would be less barbaric. The fact I am Dutch, Canadian or whatever is not an issue really. This is the internet, not a local shop for local people. The world and the internet doesn’t end at the borders of your country, so any one can have an opinion in here. And say it.
@Judy ty!
Issues like the D.P. abortion, religion, and politics will forever be topics that incite peoples passions.
Lets face it, wars have been waged because of them.
I dare say this case will not set aside anyone’s passion, it simply is what it is, right, wrong or somewhere in the middle.
My thoughts will not alter Ina‘s, just as Ina’s can not effect mine, the best we can do for the sake of all is be mindful of the feelings of others and try not to inflame.
It is offensive when someone calls our country barbaric and in the dark ages, but it seems to do no good to voice that, so I suppose the answer is to simply not converse on the subject for the greater good of all.
Maybe it is offensive to call a country barbaric, so let me rephrase : dp is barbaric and from the middle ages. I could have avoided mentioning the US. It is barbaric anywhere.
Hope that is okay then?
Your thoughts don’t have to alter mine and if this is the best you can do to convince me, they won’t; mine don’t have to alter yours. We are commenters on a blog with different views about a punishment. That you have a different opinion or view doesn’t mean I can’t say mine. It is not just me, it is the United Nations that think so too btw.
Honestly Ina, I really do not think Casey will get the DP. As long as she is held accountable for killing Caylee I am happy. I won’t be on the jury and can honestly say I do not think I could put someone to death. I have never called out “Death to Casey”. The State of Florida has the DP. there is nothing any of us, especially you, can do about it to get it off the table. Law is law. The Law in Florida is the choice of DP or LWOP for 1st degree murder. That is why your whining about it is a moot point. And you take pleasure in inciting and knocking the USA, You back to your blog and pat yourself on the back (and can’t wait for your one lone commenter to pat you on the back as well) for annoying people with your comments. You do it only to push buttons. I know your type.
And furthermore, I sometimes think death is too easy for her or anyone else. Let them suffer in prison for the rest of their lives, never ever tasting freedom, having to shower in the company of other inmates, get that pasty “prison face”, have to be strip searched before and after getting a visitor, eating crappy prison food, being only in the company of women, and only come out of prison in a wooden box, with no one left to bury you…and then go to the afterlife where you have to answer to God AND the daughter you murdered.
And I’ll tell ya another thing. I would never, except in YOUR case be knocking another countries laws when I have have no voice there.
God Bless America.
lol I didn’t call the US barbaric before I see now. It is late here. Night!
WHERE is BEES KNEES ??????
Linda, so it was a joke that you want to see Casey get the dp just to pizz me of (at least you say so on SB’s blog). It didn’t sound like a joke to me, sorry. Now shall I say something unpleasant back to you or just leave it wisely to that?
According to Craig it is not sure whether or not this blog continues, pity if it won’t but I can see why the owner of this blog has lost inspiration. We commenters have not always behaved our best. Anyway, if this blog is ending, thanks mr Sheaffer for the attempt of making the rules of the law understanable. And if you go on: good luck.
Yes, Ina Craig told me the same thing weeks ago…So you have not cornered the market on communicating with the moderator. Of course it is your speculation that Mr. Scheaffer has “lost inspiration”. I am speculating that, as an attorney he is very busy, and he mentioned in this very last article that he would write something when there is something to write about and that there is just a bunch of “white noise” going on in the case at this time.
I have toyed with the idea of making my own blog, if this one shuts down, for those who I have met here, so I can continue “speaking” with those who I have enjoyed discussing the case with. Nothing fancy. Just copy and paste what is going on in the news. Of course I will absolutely read and comment at the other blogs I already read and comment at. There are some great people and commenters out there.Perhaps when my very busy temp job ends I will do that
And yes, it was a joke. Sorry if you thought I meant it. Like I said a above I never cried “death to Casey”, I did however say there is nothing anyone can do to stop the fact that the DP is on the table. You never know how a jury will go on DP or LWOP. It is up to them and I do not envy them having to make that decision when the time comes.
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From WFTV:
Depositions Cancelled Suddenly In Casey Case
Jesse and Richard Grund’s. Anyone want to speculate on why it was cancelled at the 11th hour? 2 years and 3 months and they still have not deposed them and many others. I know there is guarantee as who will be called to the stand during trial. Just because the LE has interviewed so many doesn’t mean all will be called. Which leads me to the question…Have the prosecutor’s deposed the Grund’s, Amy, Tony, etc.? And if so, why haven’t those depo’s been released. Anyone know?
Gotta go…
LindaNewYork & Bees Knees, Morning.
I wanted to watch the hearing on IN SESSION but the Judge is giving the Jury Instructions of the “shooter in the Billiingly’s Murders” & that is a LONG process. I hope he along with some of the other 8 get the death penalty. The MURDER of the parent’s of 13 Special Needs Parent’s is a HEINOUS, imo, as the MURDERS of Dr. Petit’s family.
We have seen in the past few months, Dr. Petit nearly murdered, but his two daughters raped, & murdered, their mother raped & murdered & their home burned. 2 CAREER CRIMINALS wiped out a complete family.
Byrd & Melanie Billingsly shot execution style while the 13 ADOPTED SPECIAL NEEDS children were in the house, 9 SCUMBAG CAREER CRIMINALS trying to steal money & a safe!
BOTH trials have been reported on IN SESSION. For those THAT DON’T GET IT! For ALL the lives DESTROYED by men with NO CONSCIENCE, WON’T EVER UNDERSTAND WHY THERE IS A DEATH PENALTY!
When I read moronic excuses & WHY these men should be given LWOP, I just think, I WISH IT HAD HAPPENED TO YOUR FAMILY, NOT DR. Petit’s or the Billingsly. They were ALL innocent people, perhaps then you would have a “level of understanding of WHAT cruel & unusual, heinous, inhumane” really is. After ALL the pain & destroyed lives by these murderer’s, WHAT SYMPATHY DO YOU HAVE FOR THE MURDERED & THE VICTIM’S LEFT TO MOURN? IF if had been your family, perhaps you might NOT whine to “save their lives.” WHO CARES? Not me!
Those whining incessantly about the DP need to SHUT UP! WHO CARES? It wasn’t your family MURDERED & FLA. has the DP!!!!
Which ever KC receives, the DP OR LWOP, it will be acceptable! if you receive LIFE in Fla., it is the REST of your natural life. GOOD RIDDANCE to another that has had a life of being self absorbed with NO CONSCIENCE or regard for anyone else, even an innocent child.
STATUS HEARING will be on IN SESSION!
Motion DENIED. Yay!
Did anyone else see that Laura Buchanan has “lawyered up”?
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