Quitters, Opportunists and Laggards
As predicted, yet another of Casey Anthony’s defense lawyers is jumping ship. Linda Kenny Baden recently announced, with considerably less fanfare then when she entered the case, her notice of intent to withdraw from the now, somewhat beleaguered defense team. Although Ms. Baden cited financial hardship as the reason for filing her motion to withdraw, one could certainly question whether it was for perhaps a more ignoble reason, like, say, having exhausted the opportunity for self-promotion and publicity. She and other quitters, who likewise climbed aboard to take complete and utter advantage of the local, state, national, and international media coverage of the Casey case, have abandoned Miss Anthony now that the real case work has finally commenced.
I am curious as to why Ms. Baden and the book promoting law professor, Andrea Lyon, did not express their travel and expense reimbursement concerns way back when they each made their splashy entries into the Casey case. Could it be because that was prior to the time the Florida taxpayers were on the hook to pay the costs for Casey’s defense? What else has changed from that time until now?
Others have wondered whether the defense perhaps could have gotten any work at all out of Ms. Baden, had Casey’s lead attorney, Mr Baez, (who held the purse strings to the small fortune now gone) had geared up to go to work for his client much earlier than he had. All of those national TV appearances certainly did nothing to attack the State’s case against Casey. What took so long? He at one time possessed the funds to pay Ms. Baden for reasonable expenses attendant to her representation.
Even if we accept Ms. Baden’s announced reason for quitting the case, the apparent mismanagement of hundreds of thousands of dollars taken in ostensibly on Casey’s behalf by both Mr Baez and Casey’s loving family, is still galling to many (although who couldn’t use a vacation cruise break, or new custom suits especially during these turbulent times and troubled economy). Now, the money having mysteriously evaporated, Casey Anthony is at the mercy of the Florida taxpayers’ largess and the good auspices of certain pro bono attorneys working to defend her life.
Those musings aside, I observe that Ms. Baden’s departure from the defense team is the most serious loss of personnel to date. Giving the Devil her due, Ms Baden is, after all, nationally renowned for her expertise in the area of forensic evidence, and as we all know, the Prosecution’s case consists of a significant amount of forensic evidence, both established and novel.
Ms. Baden’s reputation can best be illustrated by the following, relatively recent events: record mogul Phil Spector retained Ms Baden to handle the forensic evidence in his California murder trial. Result for trial number one: a hung jury. Mr. Spector declined to retain Ms. Baden for the second trial. Result for trial number two: a guilty verdict. Ms. Baden’s are big shoes to fill.
Which begs the question, is anyone on the present defense team capable? Well, no, not actually. And although that may not be terribly troubling to the majority at first blush, it is to those who have spent their legal careers promoting the ends of justice. In the end, our criminal justice system usually works, whether by man’s endeavors or by divine intervention. But it pains one to see a conviction had because of avarice, self promotion or ineptitude by lawyers entrusted with the obligation and responsibility to vigorously and energetically defend those individuals who, in our minds, are the least worthy. Because in our system of justice, justice for all, is defined by justice afforded to the least deserving of us.
Note: Judge Perry granted Ms. Baden’s motion to withdraw at the October 29th status hearing.
WJS
The new white haired mouth piece addition to the legal team for kc is very annoying. I find it very interesting that during the hearing today (a rehash over old topics) she kept arguing for more money. Gee, go figure.
Oh WJS, great article as usual. If I were in the area and ever needed an attorney you would be the intelligent choice.
This case certainly attracts its fair share of opportunists. Opportunists of all types who want their moment in the spotlight, their chance to cash in, their time to see their name in the headlines. It’s an ugly side of people.
Well, it seems Mr. Scheaffer agree’s that Baez (and the Anthony family) has squandered away the money made on a murdered daughter/granddaughter. If the Anthony’s are so sure, soooo behind Casey’s innocence they would have handed over that 20 grand and any other money they, Casey’s loving family, made on the death of their granddaughter to help with their beloved daughter’s defense. They would have lived in a carboard box or moved in with her mother. George sponged off of Cindy, Casey sponged off of C&G (and grandma and Amy and I am sure, countless others) and now Casey is sponging off of the State of Florida.
Jose Baez is a lesson in greed. He is no man and no respectable attorney. He squandered away money that should have been used for the experts, PI, THE TEAM he aquired.
All attorney, including Bill Scheaffer should not be judged by one greedy, smirking sleaze. Than G-d there are attorney’s like Mr. Scheaffer and others who have integrity and as Mr. Scheaffer said”…spent their legal careers promoting the ends of justice.”
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I did not get to see the hearing today and want to read around to see what transpired. Is it worth the time this weekend to see it in its entirety?
By the way I saw nothing that would cause such an attack on Didi for her comment.
Smells of Knechel and his crew. It is not enough that they have ruined his blog.
He is probably steaming over this still:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/58591171/10222010-Correspondence-to-Court
Linda-
You could probably just get the updates at other sites. The hearing was pretty lengthy and you couldn’t hear a lot of it because of microphone issues (or at least I had a hard time hearing). The first part might be worth watching.
Mr Sheaffer~~I was just alerted that you had a new post up. I so enjoy reading what a renowned attorney has to say about the events taking place in this case. Thank you so much!
I agree that Linda Kenny Baden did not make her exit due to finances. This is a great loss for the defense. I do not believe that Dorothy Sims has the qualifcations to fill Linda’s shoes. So who will cross examine the bug and plant expert when the trial rolls around? At this late date, can the defense request funding for an attorney to replace Kenny Baden? Judge Perry did rule on Baden’s exit and Jeff Ashton objected which caused a few chuckles in the court room.
I found Judge Perry’s patience being tested today by the defense attorneys not being prepared, which seems to be the norm for them. I was pleased to see Linda Drane Burdick get a bit feisty, speaking louder and faster, a welcomed change. I really like the way Judge Perry is handling this case with his no nonsense demeanor and demanding all the deadlines be met or he will take the reins.
Thank you again, Mr Sheaffer!
Mr. Sheaffer, Did your really draw a picture of a goat and pass it to your intern? I suppose it was supposed to be Cheney Mason, Baez doesn’t have hair on his chin e chin chin.
Thank you Mindboggling.
I take that to mean that antibab disagrees with Mr. Schaeffer’s article (and myself) that this case attracts opportunists looking to make a buck and get their mug into the spotlight, on the TV, or their names in the papers.
Thanks Didi. Not feeling well today and was thinking of watching tomorrow. I am sure I can find the goods at all the great blogs.
Hi Snoopy! Now I am torn on actually taking the time to watch the entire hearing. Now I want to see a fiesty LDB! Well I guess I will see what happens tomorrow.
Good nite to all!
Didi , I thought you WERE referring to the big shots looking for free advertising and making a name for themselves by becoming a part of this defense team. Although Baden already has made a name for herself. Jose is going to need to change his name after this. LOL!
OK, I am really going now……
So here we go again, SS and her sweetness, at the same time sending her Tip Jar Temps
in to bash someone out of here. LNY you had showed some class here. Why did you turn
so raw after people prayed for you when you were without job and were not feeling well.
Actually, the only person being hostile in here is you, antibab. And that’s the last thing I’ll say to you!
Have you all read any of LKB’s blogs at Huffpo?
It seems someone has been reading @babs since they have a knock off of my original name. Opportunists indeed. Lyon & Baden with their books & publicity tours, just out for themselves, among others. It’s ironic since Casey used up everyone in her life. Karma is, well, you know.
As far as I know, everyone is welcome to post here, so, antibab (don’t you have ONE original thought?) YOU shut up. Why does the opportunist blogger ALWAYS sit on the defense side? HMMMMM….
YaY! A new article! I’m so excited that I haven’t even read it, yet! Thanks, Bill! Thanks, Craig! Love the dog and the pumpkin! Cute ghost! Off to read I go!
anti-dknechel– i believe the answer to your question is the word….opportunity.
No. No one on the defense team is competent. Maybe they are just holding out on us?
testing. knock knock. anyone there?
I see u Hunter
Hi didi ! Haven’t posted over there in a while but I support the movement & have no worries that once the trial actually starts (if there’s no plea), we won’t have to worry about the opportunists in the Baker Act row.
Take care & see ya soon
Oh please. Give up that docstoc bunk! It’s just a scrap of “correspondence”. One of hundreds, not anything unlike all of those letters to Casey we read almost all of, or maybe not.
Here we go again. Using this forum to bash Knechel. For pities sake. I see you too, Didi! Do I know you?
Who was disappointed that Perry wasn’t harder on the defense?
Thanks Mr. Shaeffer! Interesting blog!
Please don’t be rude, antibab!
Hunter, I read that document and I think it has a lot of merit. A blogger should not be chasing around potential witnesses in a death penalty case and interrogating them, then publishing his ‘sleuthing’ on youtube.
There are so many sleazy opportunists trying to make money off this terrible tragedy.
God Bless Everyone!
I was disappointed, Hunter. Guess he has to take all precautionary steps to avoid an appeal. He did seem VERY frustrated though!!
Mr Baez is in way over his head…we all knew it but, now, the rubber meets the road! I wonder if Casey sees this?
So right you are. Still, I’d like to see him give Baez a bop with his gavel.
You are welcome Didi. You are right Hunter, this should not be about anything other than discussing the case, personalities aside. The document may be something or it may be nothing. I think Feathers has a point and hopefully the Judge Strickland recusal taught us to be vigilant in protecting justice for those that cannot speak for themselves…..
Feathers, if it held such merit the OCSO or the SA would have acted upon at least one of the ascertions made, by now.
Why hello friendly people !!!
It would be wonderful, Feathers, if Mr. Schaeffer or another attorney would come in here and weigh in on this issue. I have read the letter too, and find it more filled with opinion than factual information. You coin the term “interrogated” which is quite a stretch from merely “questioned”, making so much of what is contained in the correspondense exaggeration.
Twin CMA’s!
Hunter, why don’t you chill out and stop telling others what to post?
You are free to voice your opinion, that should be enough for you; there is absolutely no need to be a control freak!
Great Blog Mr. Schaeffer!
Re: that docstock..I believe it has only just surfaced a few days ago. We are not privy to the actions Law Enforcement will or will not take. Give it a little time Hunter before harshing on it.
I agree with Feathers and Mr. Schaeffer when it comes to opportunists!
Correction: When you know they aren’t true, CMA.
I just wish we could come to places like this and not speak of anything but the case. It get very frustrating.
Getting back to the matter at hand, imagine, all of that money and Baez didn’t pay his mortgage.
Thank you for the info, Beast. Is that really your eye?
Sister Blister, Eat your own words. you tell someone to not come here and tell someone
what to do. That is exactly what you did. You are running a bashing blog so don’t you think you need to heed what you say. Well, now Hi Mr. Sheaffer, this seems to be the
way your new post is doing. Great cover today. Thank you
Hey All!
Thanks Mr. Shaeffer for the new blog!
~~I hope Casey takes a plea and stops this whole awful circus!
Weezie, she looked a bit tense today when they began talking penalty phase. Maybe she’s beginning to realize this ain’t no game.
But Weezie, if she takes a plea then the money/fame/opportunity train stops!
Her lawyers can’t have that…
You said it Weezie! I can think of MANY
~~Yes, Didi, no more gravytrain!
Mr. Sheaffer
Thanks for this beautifully written article!!!!
These lawyers are a bunch of vultures!!!
Justice for Caylee will be served, no matter what!!!!
I think the judge is trying to tamp down on it, but theres all that unaccounted for money still. And I think the biggest $ isn’t from the billings from the trial
didi, but imagine, the sooner this trial comes to an end, the sooner they can be off writing their books! lol
Weezie, so right!
i can only imagine how baez’s book will read. that will be one book i will not buy! actually, i don’t think i will be buying any of them!
FRG, you got that right! And Baez will working at the Ticket Clinic for a good long time!
didi, where ever do you think it all went?
I bet it was spent on foolish things like extravagent travel expenses, expensive meals, etc. And they didnt account for it. They may even have billed at one rate (a higher one) but reported another to the state, or for more hours, but reported less to the state. I honestly don’t know. I wonder if anyone will ever look into it more.
Hi SisterBlister, fancy running into you here.
I’m calling it a night. It will be interesting to read what the fire starters have said, in the morning.
Mr. Shaeffer:
First and foremost, a most succinct analysis. While the majority agrees Ms Baden departure appears more self serving, conversely less financial.
Respectively the Defense faces another hurdle, the proverbial “behind the eight ball”. One has to address the incompetence of the lead Attorney as precarious and matter of fact painful to watch. Do you agree that Baez approached the case with a teaching/classroom agenda? Ignored competent seasoned advice, in his quest for fame. Feast or Famine, the agenda!
New case law precedent per retained vs pro bono.
Dereliction in his duty, understatement! Perhaps a few Hail Mary interjected would be a reasonable consideration.
Kate. What are the chances of this trial being sidetracked by the incompetence of the defence team? I would not want to be in Baez’s shoes if KC gets “something other than death” because her attorney’s were idiots.
Holy cow, Mr. Shaeffer – don’t hold back!
Thank you (and I really mean that).
Just popping in to say that I, Feathers, did not post here tonight – until now.
Beast:
That ship sailed…. Baden departure represents the altruism for the majority.
Judge Perry is impressive, not to be outwitted by the Defense…sarcasm quip.
Mr. Sheaffer!!!! This article is the most refreshing read attached to this case that I’ve read in a loooong time. Good work and thank you so much! I agreed with every single word.
I agree, Bees.
I am fascinated by the opportunists that show up for these trials. This trial, any high profile trial. What is it that causes them to want to attach their name? For the lawyers- is it the money? The notariety? The fame? The hopes of future big cases/profitable clients? A place in “history”?
For other stage 5 clingers that come out of the woodwork and attach themselves and seem to be drawn to involving themselves in the case/trial- is it a sense of belonging? A feeling of importance? Potential money if they can generate paid interviews or publications? A satisfaction in knowing the inner details? A desire to be famous?
P.S. Beast, my reply was not meant to be snarky…. sarcastic & cynicism
The case is peppered with incompetent [intentional] sidetracking. Par for the course!
After reviewing today’s hearing [actually just finished] I am inclined to believe the posturing suggests…. proffer deal imminent? Perhaps, subjective opinion.
Mr Shaffer welcome back, been kooking forward to you up dated thoughts.
Judge Perry’s patiencce was amazing, but IMO he needs to get cracking
on the defence and start moving things along.
Cindy and George is showing the strain on life and personel lives.
Hope justice comes soon for this little angle..
AGAIN WELCOME BACK AND THANKS FOR THE NEW BLOG
Standing and applauding His honorable Judge Perry.
Today, we finally saw the courts teeth as they bit into the pants of Mason & Jose’.
They left that courtroom today knowing in no uncertain terms the court would not be playing any more of their foolish games, his Honors warnings were left no room for any more foolery on behalf of the defense team.
Mason was fittingly put on notice that his bully tactics and braggart conduct was uncalled-for and he would in fact be bound by the rules set down by this judge, he could play nice, or pay the price and Judge Perry did not fall short in telling who was in charge.
Jose learned he could not go on broad spectrum fishing excursions at the states expense, and he would have to explain in detail where the money had gone before he could expect more.
I found myself applauding this judge several times today, FINALLY we see the hammer fall.
one thing I totally disagree with–Linda K Baden did not have anything to do with the hung jury in the Spector trial—it was one lone juror who stated his mother-in-law was a snoop who always looked in drawers while visiting his home, therefore he believed Lana may have been snooping in the drawers in Spectors home, found the gun, was playing with it and it went off—I have heard so many people give credit to Baden for the hung jury and it is not a fact.,
Mr. Shaeffer–
Thanks so much for the new article. It’s quite the read for today!
What did anyone think of Baez’s claims of characterization by Ms. Drane-Burdick? Doesn’t both Misters Baez and Mason seem to take the “prosecution-is-tampering/withholding-evidence” stance EVERY court appearance? I think it has been made clear before that LDB is NOT a secretary for the defense. Do they honestly expect her to do their work for them, or is this more “posturing?”
Also, I didn’t see much in the way of status in this hearing. You would think that a defense attorney would be more prepared as to the actual staus of their money/time spent. Why all the constant approximations and average percentages?
I know, we all know the answers to these questions…but in the interest of intelligent discussion, I thought I’d just throw this out there!
First time commenting!
I haven’t been able to comment because my IP got hi-jacked, everytime I tried to enter the bottom of my screen would say…[marinadedave.wordpress]…And then the screen would white-out. But with the new post I can get back in.
Whenever Baez and/or Mason try to pull something they look at the ceiling as if praying to get away with it. Baez is also still trying to slip things into the hearing that isn’t scheduled and the opposing side isn’t prepared for.
Mason didn’t look happy thru the entire hearing, and Baez is still lost…I think Casey is starting to wonder about them.
Hallo mr Sheaffer, nice to see the blog is still alive
Hoping you will explain more about what goes on in court and why, based on facts.
You said: “Although Ms. Baden cited financial hardship as the reason for filing her motion to withdraw, one could certainly question whether it was for perhaps a more ignoble reason, like, say, having exhausted the opportunity for self-promotion and publicity.” Ouch, mr Sheaffer, now I know I am a pain, but if Ms Baden says money issues are the reason, would it not be fair just to believe that? It sounds plausible?
“But it pains one to see a conviction had because of avarice, self promotion or ineptitude by lawyers entrusted with the obligation and responsibility to vigorously and energetically defend those individuals who, in our minds, are the least worthy.”
I hope I understood the last bit the wrong way. You were not suggesting that an accused person is least worthy I hope?
Anyway, looking forward to more articles from your hand!
About my question about the last quote: Thinking about it, and rereeading I suppose you didn’t really mean that. ‘In our minds’ probably is put there to soften the phrase. In our minds we are not always reasonable perhaps. Hope I got it right.
Hi, Ina–
We could assume, in fairness, that Ms. Baden’s exit did indeed have to do with finances, but as Mr. Sheaffer pointed out, her motives are suspect given the timing.
It’s been several months since Ms. Lyon hinted that Casey might need to apply for indigency. At that time, it seems that very little was accomplished toward moving this case forward. Since a new judge and a new, firmly set trial date have been engaged, things have radically changed for the defense. There’s a schedule to adhere to and work to be done.
Ms. Baden, IIRC, was hired on to the team independent of Mr. Baez, and received some compensation, I believe. To cite financial woes at this point of time when the depositions are being completed–at a time when the defense probably needs her the most–is odd to me. Didn’t she say something about staying on the team despite the new economical situation at the indigency hearing?
And is it not the epitome of “misfortune” that LKB should depart just as the foreign terminology “frye” hearing rears its ugly head in the realm of Esquires Baez & Mason’s reality. Jose did NOT appear to be in any hurry to commit to filing a motion any time soon, after all HHJP did state with vigor that ALL motions will be acted upon within a 15 day period! TEMPUS FUGIT, mes amis!
Hi Jarnalist, yes her timing could indeed have been better then! Ty.
Who came in here and pretended to be Feathers, Snoopy, Sister, Dave, etc. for the sole purpose of deceiving, huh? The people from BAB. It is quite obvious here, in the comments made to Bill’s new article, that these BAB people have no respect for anyone, and not even Mr. Schaeffer who they would deceive on HIS blog and use it to further their hate mongering agenda. Unbelievable. They do nothing but deceive and disrupt where ever they go. Enough is enough.
Big Bob said, on October 29, 2010 at 6:42 pm So here we go again, SS and her sweetness, at the same time sending her Tip Jar Temps
in to bash someone out of here. LNY you had showed some class here. Why did you turn so raw after people prayed for you when you were without job and were not feeling well.
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Big Bob, who ae you and what are you talking about?
What did I say here that garnered a comment such as that?
OMG…I cannot believe what 99% of the comments were here. I was hoping to hear what people had to say about BS article and hearing. But it was not so. This was so disappointing.
Thanks Judypc, Beast, Val, Bees, Doug, Snoopy, Jarnalist and even Ina and anyone else, for talking about the article and case.
Beast, I was having trouble getting to the link you left. My computer froze.
Time to go elsewhere. Maybe I should check out the
I wish Craig would clean up this thread. Delete all of those comments related to Marinade Dave and talk about what Mr. Sheaffer wrote the post about. Remember the almost 3 year old child who was murdered and thrown away in garbage bags like trash.
The “scheme team” is dwindling. Todd Macalusor might still be on board if it wasn’t for that pesky problem of losing his license to practice law. Lyon and Kenny-Baden jumped ship once their self-serving agendas were fulfilled. I’m wondering if Mason will still be around by trial time. Finnell seemed competent but not quite up to speed on what has transpired so far regarding funding. She had no idea where the mitigation specialist Barrett was at so far as billing hours. Interesting that JAC piped in and said she’s only billed a small number of hours so far (I think he said 40 hrs?). Why are they asking for additional funding if the original amount has not been used up, or is it just more evidence of poor financial record keeping from Team Casey?
Can anyone understand a word that comes out of Mason’s mouth? Is his speech impediment new or did he somehow manage to become a renowned trial attorney with his garbled speech. How on earth does the jury understand his arguments? How do the witnesses understand his questioning? Maybe he spits the chewing tobacco, or marbles, or cotton, or whatever he’s got in there out and speaks clearly when it counts.
Linda, just go here http://djxtreme.wordpress.com and click the button at the top
Terry:
I’m with you on Mason, could not understand but a few words from him.
Kept thinking wish he would take the marbles out of his mouth, funny thing is he speaks clear when he is mouthing to the media, or showboating, it seems his speech impediment gets much worse when he is on the hook.
Did anyone else note that it seemed the new team member looked a bit put out yesterday when she kept finding out how her new team had mismanaged things?
The look on her face was priceless a few times when Judge Perry explained things to her, you could almost see “What have I gotten into” come across her forehead.
Also, is there a L.D.B fan club yet,
did you guys catch Jeff Ashton trying hard not to crack up when she lit into Mason?
And the Judge’s response to hearing how Mason had acted, the look on his face, and his, no he didn’t reaction… when L.B said actually Judge I gave you the cleaned up version, you could see Judge Perry’s blood come to a boil.
Then Jokin jose’s little bit at the end to garner forgiveness, I wanted to puke.
But it sure shut em up after court lol.
Not so much as a peep from the two wing nuts
Yes, Finnell does seem to be competent. She came across as business-like and humble; even with a seeming lack of knowledge of all that has gone on before her arrival, she was better prepared than the rest of the disgrace team.
How is it possible, Mr. Sheaffer, that an attorney would not be keeping an accounting of what would otherwise be billable hours? Is the constant lack of preparation–”I don’t have that in front of me. I’ll get it to you.”– due to poor record-keeping skills, an inability to anticipate the requirements of the court for the purpose of a status accounting, or is it strategic? I just don’t understand why Mr. Baez rarely has his “stuff” together! Apparently, his organizational skills have peaked with the COLOR-CODED CHART!
Judy–
When Ms. Burdick told Mason he could get his copies for free, then threw herself back into her chair… I was cheering her on! She seems to be fed up with Mason. Reportedly, there were emotional words after the hearing between the two of them as well.
I couldn’t agree with you more, terrytsk, but have to admit that I expected more from Lyon, that self-proclaimed cause fighter! For the time being, then, I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt as she’s no where near Baden’s resources. It wouldn’t surprise me if Perry denied her request, tho.
Interesting question you imposed there. Will Mason be around come trial? I used to think that Baez would skip ship, but short of being fired, which is highly unlikely, I doubt now that he will. He’s too pompous and Casey’s too naive (I didn’t want to say stupid) to see that he’s not doing her a lick of good and can his butt! I’m guessing that when Mason can’t take one more moment of Baez’s bungling though, which is a direct reflection on his own (Mason’s) competence, he may ask to be let go. We’ll see. If he’s not going to present during the death penalty phase, what’s he’s doing there? As it appears to me, he can’t advise Baez. Perry has to instruct Baez on matters of law, from the bench. Or am I just imagining things?
I understand very little of what Mason says and am going to attribute that to his hearing? Maybe he needs a new hearing aid? I wouldn’t want to be a juror trying to muddle my way through his closing argument. I might have a tendency to give him the benefit of the doubt just because I’d feel stupid for not being able to understand him. Maybe. Anyway:
LindaNY, DON’T LEAVE me here all by myself!
Ina, good morning. Sister, love the avatar. Mine didn’t show up here when I posted, the rating was wrong so I had to correct that, but as you can now see, I’m here and it’s me.
Wow! Valhall stopped in. You deserve every word she said, Bill! She does and says everything she does and says so well, doesn’t she? She’s positively brilliant and many of her posters compliment that fact. But because many from BAB post on her site I don’t dare to. Even the name “Feathers” or “Skat” might incite a riot.
Thank you, Bill, for the new article, and for sharing your expert opinions with we lowly lay people. It’s much appreciated.
Methinks Mr. Mason was well aware of Mr. Baez’s bumbling skills long before he joined the circus. He’s in it for “fun.” His role in the defense has, thus far, primarily consisted of providing his own brand of color to the proceedings: mumbling innuendo, antagonizing the State Attys, and passing notes with Casey. He’s taking his opportunities as they come just as much as anyone else.
The fact that Mr. Baez has become “translator” and “peace-keeper” is more evidence that they’re not on the same page and this is more about their individual personalities than it is about any kind of defense.
Sad to say, but, they become more deserving of the names Bumbles and Mumbles with each appearance.
Also sad to say, but it’s ironic how many have taken the OPPORTUNITY to post such SELF-SERVING comments on this blog…
I’m fairly certain that the moderator can do his own job quite well.
Jarnalist, agreed, regarding what Mason knew of Baez. Didn’t he admit to so much at his first appearance saying something to the affect of seeing how things were going he felt that he had to step in? Those aren’t his exact words, but I believe they’re pretty close to what he said.
Agree again, that they are not on the same page but wouldn’t you consider that to more a matter of the difference in the experience between then, and might one think that because Mason is the more experienced that he would take the lead, so that less bumbling might occur which could lead to a plea of “ineffective counsel” and a possible mistrial? Of course, we don’t know how Mason advises Baez, behind the scenes, but even in the public arena Mason has disagreed with Baez, as in the matter of the area where Caylee was found to be underwater.
I appreciate the point you make in referring to Baez as a peace keeper and a translator. I’d not noticed that but will pay closer attention when I watch the hearing again.
I think it’s sad that in a case of this magnitude, when someone’s life is on the line, that person’s defense is described as “Mumbling” and “Bumbling”. I believe she’s guilty, but I also believe she deserves a competent defense.
Have a good day, Jarnalist.
Thank you Mr.Scheaffer for an honest look at the dire straights that the defense seems to find itself in lately.
It would be nice if people who only want to discuss certain bloggers would stop cluttering up Bill’s comment section.
Thank you, Feathers.
To answer your question(s) in my opinion, first I would have to say that the difference in experience probably shouldn’t be relevant in order to come to an agreement in defense strategy. How that strategy is presented to the court and to the press may be indicative of the difference, but the defense itself should be the same, imo.
Second, I don’t believe Baez would willing abdicate to Mason…not for one second. In addition, there’s no reason to think that the “bumbling” would not continue if Mr. Mason was in the lead.
Lastly, ineffective assistance of counsel, if I understand it correctly, doesn’t seem to be too much of a possibility for an appeal. There’s a whole team of qualified lawyers. Casey’s on her second string now. Silver addressed this issue at Hinky awhile back.
As for the description of “Bumbles and Mumbles”…I agree that it’s tragic, yet apt.
Thank you for your response, Jarnalist. Would you agree that prior to Mason’s appearing Baez had already been deemed “bungling”, and with Mason’s arrival there was a certain expectation, based upon Mason’s experience, that Mason would take the lead and Baez more of a back seat? I would like to think that because Mason has far more experience than has Baez, and a pretty good track record that spans decades, if he were at the helm, there would be far less bumbling. I agree with you that there is no way Baez is stepping down from the throne unless Casey fires him; but as aforementioned, that’s not likely to happen!
Agreed. Mason, Baez, and all other defense team members, in spite of their levels of experience or varying expertise, will come into agreement on a defense strategy and will not deviate from that but by mutual agreement.
As to “ineffective assistance of counsel”, is Casey not capable, prior to trial, to make such a claim, which might start this whole mess all over again, if the court were to agree with the claim?
My apologies for infringing upon your good graces, Jarnalist, should you feel that I have.
The actions of the newest lawyer in court brought some sense of professionalism to the defense band ( I so can not use the term team as it was clearly demonstrated that the playbook was not opened for AF!) and ‘ tho I bet she wasn’t wearing 3″ high heels & a fashion plate for inmate anthony’s edification, she appeared to have synapses flying similar to the other dearly departed female esquires! Heck, she caught on QUICK to the subliminal HHJP messages and SHUT UP, took note and vamoosed. She appeared well aware that her job is a postscript to the probable foregone conclusion and darn it, she’s going to give it her all to MITIGATE something in and for the inmate. PS JB, “your girl” has been convicted of “something” and not just a detainee (oops involuntary guest!).
I’ve had the ?”pleasure”? of testifying in many a trial, witnessed SA, PD and private counsel in action (and even a few nodding away in distraction) and strongly believe that the concept of “ineffective counsel” by definition is not going to fly UNLESS something catastrophic as practiced by the defense table occurs within the jury trial.
Was the (earlier) defense team so busy making media appearances that they had no time to investigate the case? Were they paid for these appearances? Why has it taken 2 years and a strict judge to get them interested in defending their client? Last but not least when the judge says no more dinero for the defense what will happen?
Joypath,
I’ve this much to say to you:
BRAVO!!!
Thank you.
Linda in New York- Yes it’s worth watching the tapes. Caylee won today and we got a good taste of what justice is yet to come. It appears that the A family including Casey, have begun to realize there isn’t going to be an aquittal, hung jury or any special treatment for their princess.
Feathers, no, I don’t feel infringed upon.
I think that we’re covering ground that has already been addressed by both of us; reiteration if you will. However, yes I agree that although Baez’ various mishaps and adventures were well-known prior to Mason’s arrival, I didn’t get a sense that Baez was going to step aside for Mason. I felt all indications to the contrary, actually.
I can’t speculate as to why Mr. Baez is or is not utilizing any advice Mr. Mason’s long experience might be able to offer him, but I would hope that in a capital murder case they would, eventually get together to form a viable defense. It’s amazing to me that we even have to wait and see evidence of such an event taking place. What I perceived from yesterday’s hearing was that the two are somewhat at odds. Maybe that’s just me. Casey, too, let loose with a couple of smirks when Judge Perry was schooling Baez in the definition of “copies.” There may be discord all around. We just don’t know for sure.
lol
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Their minds have been on their travels?
4. Their homes that this case helped to afford will go into repo?
It makes me to wonder that junk science is “NOT junk science” after all!
JB repeated phrases like:
“The State wants to kill my client” just like AL started to say.
“Junk science” after LKB… Pathetic!
And where are these people now?
Laughing at JB, he can’t jump the sinking ship!
Things didn’t turn out as he predicted, did it? LOL
KaRN: as usual, it takes the skill of a HCP to cut thru the BS and show the world a “care plan”! Yep, we saw some actual hardcore legal discussion…….heck even JB managed to try to quote some case law (okay, it was finalized but heck he TRIED!) and the days of the “ole boys club” have been declared OVER per the HHJP ‘tude toward CM a la LDB and his attentiveness toward her statements of depo timing. HHJP has drawn the line in the sand with a DATE this time….come JANUARY, y’all better be busy bees (all respect to Bees Knees!) and those who have been “a laggin” better hitch up their gitty up wagon” to a V8 (and I don’t mean juice) engine!
Feathers: You missed your calling, you could serve as a consultant on how to answer depo questions!
Darn: I so miss the ole EDIT button! JB forgot the BENT decision was NOT finalized! but heck when has a detail like that stopped his arguments
Darn! I so miss the EDIT button! JB forgot the Bent decision was NOT finalized (mentioned in my above snaky comment) but then again when would some minor detail stop him in his argument?
Baez better start worrying about “details, schmetails.” He better start figuring out how to present a cohesive and thorough arguement. Judge Perry exhibited scary powers of near-perfect recall yesterday. Very little gets by him, if anything at all.
L.K. Baden:
If money is the problem and not self promotion, then why did she take the case in the first place ? There was never any money, from day one, for anyone but Baez.
Mason:
By always complaining about money and trying to get set amounts from J.A.C., it sounds more like he’s trying to set up a dedicated income stream for his future retirement income…The State will be paying appeal costs for the next 15-20 years or more…That’s a good part-time gig to have when in “retirement”.
If Mason’s that hard up he could always apply for an Internship with Prof. Baez.
Beaz:
Of course he thinks he’s in charge. Whenever it’s pointed out that the “death Qualified” attorney is the lead attorney, Baez will always say that “He’s the lead attorney”…All that money wasted…Well at least he got a bunch of Suits and Tech Toys for Trial.
Casey:
What gives with wanting/demanding all this privacy, YOU ARE IN JAIL/PRISON YOU HAVE NO PRIVACY, and with all the past attempts to sneak things by the Jail/Prison personal (Baez’s smuggling, codes, letter’s pretending to be from the Attorney…etc…), I wouldn’t blame the Jail/Prison if they started strip searching visitors and blacking out her mail.
But I doubt Casey knows what’s going on, except that it’s all that snot-nosed brats fault.
Cindy:
It’s starting to settle in, the men in her “Family” will not take the blame for Casey…Lee has a “New Family” and George, as we saw in the letters, refuses to “play along” with the abuse ploy. That leaves only Cindy to take the fall for lil’ Casey. I wish we could hear the stories/lies Casey is telling to try to get out of this, we’ve seen her lies before, but that was to stay out of Jail, imagine the stories/lies she’s telling now trying to get out…Poor Cindy, she’ll have to take the blame.
Hi Doug, long time between visits.
I also noted yesterday that Judge Perry is holding defense’s feet a bit closer to the fire.
When he made Jose admit to their many pressers all while filing motion after motion for privacy for their client finally hit home to him that he could not have it both ways.
When Finnell (sp) said she wanted a P.I. to go to Ohio to interview people because Casey was born there, he questioned how much info could be gained about a 3 year old child, and if people refused to speak with her via phone, they would most likely not open their doors to her as well.
I fully expected him to leap across the bench and give Jose a good shake when he danced around his Honor’s questions about how much money they had left in certain accounts, these are things they should have brought into court when asking for more money, they knew they would be ask about their spending thus far, to not come prepared to give these answers shows dishonesty on their behalf, and they do this every time.
Mason’s failed attempts to bully and slip in vague accusations and finger pointing at the state was at last addressed, leaving Jose to make his ambiguous attempt to save face at the end, they both looked like scolded puppies their sad eyes pleading for a pat on the head and a good boy.
You could see the dejection on their face’s as they folded up their brief case’s to leave, they wanted to simply slink away and lick their wounds.
I see many more days like this, and worse for them ahead, it was as well not lost on team Casey when Judge Perry ask for objections in regard to LKB leaving the team and Jeff Ashton spoke up and said he would miss working with her, in other words she had conducted herself as a lawyer unlike the rest of the team.
All in all yesterday, was a dark day indeed for defense, they finally received a taste of the bitter fruit they have planted.
ok, I’m so very very lost. I thougt Dave Knechel, aka Marinade Dave was on Caylee’s side. Is this same marinade dave that was the topic of discussion when judge strickland recused himself, because the defense was claiming Marinade Dave was pro death for Casey. But I’ve seen bloggers here & other sites, who also are on Caylee’s side, but don’t like Dave. ???? This is where I get lost. If the bloggers are on Caylee’s side, why don’t they like Dave, who I thought was also on Caylee’s side. What am I missing?
Judy, you’re right ~ they received a “taste” of the bitter fruit. BUT, I still find Judge Perry to be lacking. Originally I thought he would be tougher on the defense than Strickland had been but in looking back I’m starting to reverse that opinion. I’m thinking Strickland was actually the toughest. He just had a softer way of handling them. Perry’s bark is far worse than his bite. And I do not appreciate that little sparkle in his eye everytime he gets to banter with Mumbles. It’s clear they are cut from the same good ole boy cloth. He threatens and then he just let’s it go. The defense is still showing up unprepared, rude to the State, bossy and pushy about everything. That whole crew belongs together and I am always in awe that they all found each other (Cindy, George, Casey, Lee, Baez, Mason) all of them extremely distasteful liars and idiots.
BeesKnees – ooooh I know, I have been noticing the same thing about the sparkle in the judge’s eyes when the banter starts. And the unprepared bullies. I may be wrong about what I am remembering, but I also thought Judge Perry said if the defense didn’t meet their deadlines at the end of October, then Judge Perry himself would schedule depositions NOVEMBER. But at the hearing, I heard Judge Perry say come JANUARY he would start scheduling it. Unless I’m remembering it wrong?
Redit-rediit, call me a frog and paint me green – I missed Judge Perry’s excusal of Baden. Darn. I was hoping he’d say no.
Dangit! R-edit. RRR-edit. Judge Perry did excuse Baden, and oh well.
oops. posted twice. Sorry. I thought i negated to hit submit.
Sunset, I hate to address your comment because it has nothing to do with Mr. Schaeffer’s article, but Dave is on the side of Caylee. You’ll just hear otherwise, elsewhere. Sorry, Craig, I just had to do it. Lies spread like wildfire and the truth is hard to come by.
Feathers, ok thanks for answering my post. I won’t ask further questions about Dave. I’m getting the feeling it is a sore topic. On a different note, regarding losing Linda Kenny Baden, when the judge clearly addressed the fact that Baez told the court it would save taxpayer money by not bringing anyone new into the case, that the judge went ahead and allowed ii anyway. Understanding law & courtrooms has never been my forte, but, after Baez misled the judge to believe one thing, and then turn around and do another, I don’t understand,how or why the judge allowed it. In any case, according to Sheaffer above, (giving the devil her due, lol) Baden was an asset that I’m glad the defense lost.
The sweetest point of the hearing was the moment when HHJP asked if there were any comments regarding LKB’s motion to withdraw and SA Ashton piped up that he enjoyed working with her! I thought JB was going to fall off his Cuban heels in shock! Totally amazing that the lynch pin of the entire forensic case and his bff spokesperson to pronounce those big science works was sent off without a single defense gang word of praise!
My take on HHJP and his behavior: he’s a pro in delivering oblique messages, covert as the association begins and like the proverbial onion skin the core of the man’s strength appears as the relationship develops. We’ve observed his gentle time extensions of months then days, now he has made it clear that the wrath of Perry shall fall in January if needed (along with the Times Square ball!). I got the impression that he does not honor fools well, Mason does not & has not read him correctly or is “ASS U ME ing an entitlement not present, and the repartee with LDB was an off the cuff endeavor approach of sharing with her that he KNEW that CM did not exempt himself from profanity when “chatting” about depo schedules!
Yep, resolution will be forthcoming in a true verdict under our legal system.
Sunset, yep, bullies is an appropriate word to use on the defense thugs. I don’t like Baez or Mason. Extremely rude and completely disrespectful. I just ACHE for the Judge to shut them down completely. And you’re right. Deadlines are set and then they are not met so then he extends them. At least that’s all we’ve seen so far. If we all can see that they will take an inch and demand a mile, why can’t the Judge see it? And if he can see it why doesn’t he put a stop to it? Not just talk about putting a stop to it but ACTUALLY PUTTING A STOP TO IT. Who on earth does Mumbles think he is anyway? Sounds like he had a not bad reputation before defending the baby-killer, what a sour note to end your life-long career with. Defending casey anthony. Oh, how the mighty have fallen!
Joypath, I very much hope you’re right about that. Cannot wait!
Joypath, I had to laugh at your ASS U ME ing word. I was always taught never to “assume”, for that reason. I hope that’s exactly what it is, Mason just assuming there’s an entitlement that is NOT present. Although I thought I read (a while back) somewhere that Mason & Perry have been in the courtroom together in the past & that’s the base of the banter between them. But still, with this case so much in the public, seems like they would tone it down a notch.
Joypath, me leans toward the ASS U ME theory.
Bees Knees: Let’s just say for the record: dollars and cents had very little to do with the departure of LKB but as topsy-turvy as this may sound, the taint of behavior that reeks of blatant disregard of ethics/or illegalities within HER area of expertise…..that’s a deal breaker! Socially, she’s a HOOT, an amazing live wire with a very very quick mind and great one liners, always willing to listen to folks stories (perchance to pick up new core story lines?). Her abilities to combine the scientific and legal worlds are amazing also but she does try to play it down and disarm the otherside and when you’re under her cross, she can “get ya” by finding your “touchpoint” (mine: I “teach” from the stand!). Have no fear, in the not too distant future the dynamic duo of fictionalize Baden novel land may have characters resembling but of course entirely coincidental the family Anthony but never will they reside in Orlando Fla!
beesknees… lol exactly, “sour” note defending casey anthony. I really enjoy reading Sheaffer’s thoughts on this case, even though “I think” he is a defense attorney, there seems to be something tugging at his “Caylee strings”, which is really awesome & alright by me.
What Perry assumes, regarding clout or rapport within the courtroom, was made evident early on when he imposed upon Judge Strickland those four little words that were a beginning to an end, “Do you trust me?” to which the fine Judge answered, if with an edge of hesitancy coupled by a troubled second thought, “Yes. Of course I trust you.”
How all of lawdom must have cringed at that moment when dead silence, however momentary, fell within the courtroom, born of the wonder that Strickland felt obligated, perhaps, to answer.
Just my opinion
Joypath, I’d bet my boots on it, and want an autographed copy.
Folks WHY all the consternation? My unsolicited reply in regards to yesterdays hearings are simply legal formalities. Nothing negates and/or refutes HHJP extensions -should in any way be construed as soft soap.
Per JP [paraphrasing] you either meet it or I will. You heard the statement about “Frye Hearing”? Take notice if you watch the replay re: JP mention, Baez reaction priceless. There is something in the FBI discovery that coincides with LKBaden departure & ALL proclamation.. Defense wants exculpatory. Of course Baez & Mason know full well….nothing to be found. Or is it? We shall soon know. What piques the blip on my radar…LKB did in fact do her homework, what did she communicate to the defense? In fact she pounced on the opportunity to vacate, stating financial.
Perhaps my subjective theory is only that, but per Mr. Sheaffer address LKB departure is actually a huge loss… again money certainly didn’t pose a problem initially…what did LKB conclude? Moreover, Ann Finnell has very little dispute on medical evidence via
Dr. G report. Gives pause to what is really the core issue? Based on what I surmised from yesterday…… slow cop to a plea. Yes I realize most will say nope, but I truly believe whether this happens next week or the eleventh hour…plausible.
Kate, so you’re saying it’s forensic rather than financial? A tidbit of “science” that reeks of validity in the face of being labelled “junk”?
Kate, I agree. As the evidence mounts and time marches on to May, I wonder, too, if the defense will realize they are backed into a corner by Casey’s lies. I don’t know if they will ever be able to let go of their hubris enough to seek a plea agreement.
Will the state allow a plea at this point? Will it be best to see this completely through or relieve the taxpayers of the burden of paying for the entire trial? I honestly don’t know which would be the better route.
One last comment, Jarnalist, if you please, and then I’m outta here for now. Thank God, right?
I would really rather see this through for the answers that might be obtained only through trial. I so want a better understanding and knowledge of what happened to Caylee. I want her story to be told, as best it can be.
Thank you for being patient with, and gracious toward me.
sunset said, on October 30, 2010 at 3:05 pm……
Marinada dave is not on Caylee’s side.
If he was, he would sit behind the prosecutors and not behind the defense. next to Cindy and George.
He would not be handing his business card to Baez, he would not emailing Baez’s law firm.
I’m wondering if Linda Baden left the defense team because she knows KC will be found guilty based on the evidence that she’s preview to.
She knows a lot more than we do.
Also as Mr. Scheaffer has pointed out to us, after KC has been found guilty and receive the death sentence, that will follow her forever and will be criticised to no end.
LKB comes across as someone who does not like to loose.
An other thing I want to ask, if anyone here knows the answer…..
There was talk at some point during the hearing about FBI……..Cindy’s deposition….Cindy was looking down when the camera was on her.
I believe Mason was talking, I really could not understand what he was talking about.
TIA.
Tulpjes2:
Mason tried to make it all sound nefarious, but what it was really all about was the 2 FBI agents used a method of questioning that allowed them to profile Cindy & George.
It is a test in psychology commonly used.
Mason tried to say their were test done that were being withheld from the defense, when in reality the test is a form of questioning that allows them to get a firm grasp of a persons mindset and persona.
That was what cause LDB to finally snap and lay into Mason.
She was tired of his incessant rantings and finally exposed him for the fool he is.
Excuse me? Since when as sitting next to Cindy And George being on caylees side? THEY are on caylees side?? Really?
Thank you judypc.
I will have to listen to that part of the courthearing again.
Beast…really?
Cindy and George are on Caylee’s side?
You could have fooled me.
They are on KC’s side.
With all their lies, obstruction, pointing the finger at everyone but their lying daughter.
GMAFB.
Ha, ha, Beast and Tulpjes I think you guys are talking past each other!
Tulpjes, that’s not true and you know it. There are a lot of people who sit BEHIND the defense in the courtroom who are NOT against Caylee. This is such nonsense. “That side is the bad side and this side is the good side.” Not even those sitting at the defense table are against Caylee, with the exception of maybe Casey, do you understand that? They are on the side of the Constitution of these United States of America that guarantees such an accused such a trial and you should know the reasons for that! It’s so wearisome listening to this back and forth about this side and that side and who sits where in the courtroom. Leave such arguments for grade school children, will you?
To date, from all appearances Miss Anthony would have done better with a public defender. Hopefully sometime in the near future these attorneys will get on the stick and prove my tax dollars were not wasted. ( Don’t bust my bubble) LOL
Tulpjes has a valid point. In the matter of public perception, and when available seating is not at issue, where one sits in the courtroom is indicative of which “side” you support. If it were unimportant to everyone, then Cindy and George wouldn’t be criticized for where they sit.
Of course, in the case being presently discussed, my personal opinion is that it’s more an issue of where the cameras are aimed.
Joypath, no I didn’t know that she (LKB) came with such a colourful personality. I don’t think we hear anything about her up here in the great white north. The grim duo of Mason & Baez will surely miss her outgoing personality then.
Feathers, I remember that very long and quiet moment following those words!!! “Do you trust me?” Fine Judge Strickland indeed! He was a prince among those toady men.
Kate, that’s what I’m thinking too. Something in the FBI discovery that coincides with LKBaden departure. It might also explain why casey, cindy and george all looked like death warmed over. But about the deadlines. Weren’t there some for October 31 that have now been moved to January? Sorry if I’m mistaken on that.
I go back and forth on the plea possibility. The Prosecution just seem so darn confident and have done such a wonderful job I think they may not be at all interested. Like Feathers, I’m hoping it will go to court so that we will hear more of what happened to Caylee, she deserves that.
I am actually just re-watching the hearing now so I’ll look for “Frye Hearing” reaction.
I could understand LDB finally snapping on Mason. The guy is a complete jerk. I don’t like him at all. Can you imagine the suffering that poor woman is subjected to having to work with somebody like that? He’s almost worse than Baez. Maybe worse.
Bees Knees– I also hope we will hear what happened to Caylee. I just wonder that if the subject of a plea is approached, what the prosecution will consider the better option.
I’m interested in hearing your take on the “Frye reaction.”
Feathers said, on October 30, 2010 at 6:58 pm…..
Oh, Okay feathers, I concur Mr Knechel is sitting behind the prosecution because of the Constitution of these United States of America.
OR…..maybe he sits there because he wants his face on teevee, he sure knows how to pick the right seat, and wave when the camera is pointed at him.
I’m not making this up, at the last hearing he was waving at the camera, and yesterday he made a comment that he would wave again, if he had the chance.
Like it’s some social event he’s attending.
If Mr. Knechel would sit behind the prosecution the camera would not catch his wave.
You catch my drift?
Just saying.
Bees Knees I totally agree with you.
Mason is a complete jerk.
He said defending KC would be fun.
He’s been in the business a long time, and knows all the tricks.
That being said I really think the Judge is very familiar with Mason’s hat of tricks, and is on top of it.
Was Judge Perry the judge when Mason was defending the guy who was sent to death row after killing family members?
Sorry, I can’t remember the name of the defendant..
I can offer a similar in penalty/punishment for the crime if found guilty case that is currently in the news> The CT triple homicides: State of Ct vs J. Komisarjevsky & State of Ct vs s. Hayes where BOTH defendants wanted to plead LWOP before trial, CTState Atty & family went NOPE, no way,(and public opinion I’m sure would probably be 98% the same!), Hayes has been tried & found guilty of 16 counts, jury will be determining the DP or LWOP soon, the other inmate up for trial in 2011.
The key point: DEATH PENALTY was desired as the appropriate punishment for the 3 brutal deaths (and THEY were brutal as death DID NOT COME QUICKLY!). Every member of the OME was affected by this case!
Marinade Dave has no real interest in Caylee, Feathers.
I don’t believe he relates to children at all.
I have read almost every one of his blogs and I recall only one that centered on any child, it is titled, “A Mother’s Job”.
It is about teaching his girlfriend’s young daughter about oral sex:
http://tinyurl.com/39aqc9w
Marinade Dave sits on the defense side for one simple reason, to get on camera.
The camera very rarely shows the gallery behind the prosecution. I assume it has to do with the camera angle.
Marinade Dave even posted on his blog just before the hearing that he would try to wave to members of his blog and he has done so on at least one occasion in the past.
That is not likely to be possible from the prosecution side; as mentioned, the camera does not pan over there but for rare occasions.
He sits as close to George and Cindy as he can in an effort to eavesdrop. One can see him surreptitiiously lean forward to catch their conversations.
Yesterday in a news report, “I think it may have been WESH” the reporter said
“when brought into court Casey looked as if she had been crying” I missed her entrance, did anyone of you get that impression?
tulpjes2 can you read?
Feathers said:
What was the purpose of this statement? It didn’t go with anything else in the entire comment. To my knowledge there has only been one identifiable “BAB” member who has ever posted on my site and that person only posted 2 comments in one thread many months ago. So why would you make this statement here at Mr. Shaeffer’s blog?
And why did you make that statement when you were posting on this blog when you had already stated BAB members were posting here? And why did you turn around and then have a lengthy discussion with a BAB member here? It really does appear the statement was made for no reason other than to attempt to present a false picture that my blog is somehow associated with BAB. I don’t appreciate whatever it was you were attempting.
Isn’t this the first time George has been in the Courtroom since the abuse allegations ?
And now he’s back in court showing support for Casey ??
WOW !! What a family. If only Caylee had a family that supported and stayed true to her…
Doug Wollenburg said, on October 30, 2010 at 10:35 pm
Isn’t this the first time George has been in the Courtroom since the abuse allegations ?
And now he’s back in court showing support for Casey ??
WOW !! What a family. If only Caylee had a family that supported and stayed true to her…
**
No, Ole Georgie WAS there wa for the 911 hearings and he did the GMA gig where he told the interviewer he hoped he would not be asked about the allegations again.
That was the interview where it was made clear they had not been paid for this interview. Or semantics for we just paid you for the use of your house, right?
I find it strange that people still think George is going to grow a back bone. Aint gonna happen. I full believe the deal with Lichtenstein and the Anthonys is for some epic docudrama during the trial, aka. Georges’ retirement fund.
Thank you Mrsdoubtfire, I missed that one.
And George will be asked again in court, no matter what he “wants”…
Cindy won’t let George see a dime of “Her” money. If George wants a “retirement fund” then he better play ball with Cindy and the rest of Team Casey.
An unbiased reporter will sit on either side of the courtroom or where there is a good seat available to get an upclose view of all the players in a case. I did not see Dave playing favoritism. Cyber bullies, bashers and nit pickers will always be around as long as you have a blogosphere.
‘Casey Anthony must die’ was the title of a post that the defense seemed very upset about. One little problem, had they read the entire post, they would have seen that was not the opinion of the author of said post. When the state puts the death penalty on the table, they feel they have enough evidence that would warrant Casey to be put to death.
Judge Strickland is a very well educated in the laws of the state of Florida. By calling someone up to the bench while the cameras were still rolling, he was well aware that there may be ramifications. Judge Strickland had denied several defense motions just prior to the filing of the motion for him to step down. Cheney Mason wanted Strickland gone. You may come to find out that Cheney is hand picking the defense team but sadly, he did not get the judge that he thought he would.
Valhall, thank you for giving me this opportunity to explain! It was certainly not my intent to trouble you or to imply that you are in any way associated with BALD! However, so many more than two refer to you and your blog on BALD. Many speak of not only reading there, but refer people to The Hinky Meter. It was these same regular posters at BALD I was refering to when I made the comment, while even sadly thinking that were I to make a comment on your site, as here, I would be bombarded there, as here. The name “Feathers” is run through the mud on a daily basis, and quite horrendously so, as are all who so much as post at Dave’s. The only connection there was to you was your comment to Mr. Schaeffer, which brought all of that to mind. It really had nothing to do with you and I most certainly apologize for not making that clear, but had I, it would have served no good purpose but to further inflame.
“And why did you make that statement when you were posting on this blog when you had already stated BAB members were posting here?”
I’m not real sure I understand this question. Was I not supposed to be here because BAB posters were? I adore Mr. Schaeffer! I wouldn’t have stayed so long, having only come to read his new article, paid him a much deserved compliment and moved on, had it not come to my attention that someone other than myself was posting as me, and at least one other, a former BAB poster.
“And why did you turn around and then have a lengthy discussion with a BAB member here?”
I believe I conversed with a couple of BAB members. Didi. Jarnalist. For a brief moment there, there was agreement, if only to agree to disagree and yet find a common cause that would allow there to be peace for a bit, and that common cause was Caylee. It’s too bad it can’t always be that way. It’s too bad it can’t get back to the way it was. But if just a handful of people engaged in the battle can get along for a minute maybe there’s hope.
‘It really does appear the statement was made for no reason other than to attempt to present a false picture that my blog is somehow associated with BAB. ”
That really wasn’ t the case at all, Valhall, nor could it have been. I respect you and your work much to highly to ever insult you.
I would do well to say no more, for they will be having hayday with me now.
Should you have any further questions I would be happy to address them.
(((o)))
I guess I should have asked, it is Snoopy, right? Not an imposter? No matter.
Ms. Hall,
I probably shouldn’t say this, for the trouble it may cause, but I won’t be able to sleep if I don’t. It seems to concern you that someone might think you are affiliated with BAB. If this be the case, perhaps you should make certain that some of the Babbers aren’t associating themselves with you.
judy- I didn’t see the very beginning as my internet connection had a mine of its own, so I didn’t see Casey come in. But I think I saw someone else who had attended the trial post that they also noticed that it looked as if she may have been upset prior to entering the courtroom. So strange because she then showed so LITTLE emotion throughout the proceeding. I mean, I guess it wasn’t an emotional type of hearing. But she sat there like a zombie throughout so much of it. There was some note taking on her part, a few facial expressions. But, if it was my life on the line you would certainly see some interest expressed on my face and a spark behind my eyes (especially if I cared about proving to the world that I was innocent of killing my child)!
joypath- i read your post about the petit murders in CT. I didn’t see who you were responding to, so i’m not sure of the exact context of the conversation (i apologize!).
I don’t think the Caylee Anthony murder and the Petit family rape/murders have too many similarities beyond the fact they are DP murder cases. In one case 2 men commited armed robbery, kidnapping, rape, murder, and arson, I believe. They murdered 3/4 of a family, including two young girls. They left an eyewitness in the remaining family member, who was brutally beaten, and I believe they were caught at the scene by police, and later confessed (although I believe they each pointed the finger at each other). There was additional DNA evidence linking them to the scene. In this case, the state had no reason to offer a deal (i.e. life w/out parole) because the case was air tight and the crimes so incredibly heinous.
We all know the details of the Caylee case, but needless to say, it’s not an airtight case as it is mostly (entirely?) based on circumstantial evidence. It could go either way if the jury would give her the DP if she was found guilty – whereas with the men who murdered the Petit family, I think it’s pretty much a lock.
@Tulp: An investigating journalist must always be allert and investigate and so he will put his investigating ear where ever he might hear a bit of news; maybe being in close range of the Anthony family is just very cunning?
as maybe they say something important to the case and by accident spill the beans while in court. Ya never know where the scoop might hide!
@Joypath: if Casey had done this plead or confession, she would have been sure not to get the dp, but as she didn’t, I think she must be convinced she has a strong case. (Hope I got it right) so this makes me wonder about her guilt at times and perhaops this is the reason she did it, to make people doubt her guilt? Now the only thing I can imagine that happend is that she hasn’t told her own layers the truth. But this is just a guess. Is a client allowed to lie to her lawyers, or is there some rule?
If Casey had told her lawyers the truth and the truth was she had indeed killed Caylee, the lawyers will have to try and deceive the judge and the jury? And that is not an obstruction of the judical system, but it is allowed?
(hope this is on topic and maybe this came up before, sorry then!)
And now maybe the leaving of all these lawyers, if we are allowed to guess their motives in here. could it be that they leave because they found out the truth and can’t live with the idea?
Or is that too far fetched?
Not bad Ina, your thoughts, not bad at all. I wonder how a lawyer EVER knows for sure
if their client is lying or not. If evidence presents itself so they could NOT believe their client was innocent, what do they do. I would like to hear the answer from Mr. Sheaffer.
However, the three that left may have come to the decision that Casey did lie and they
believe she is guilty therefore left. I tend to believe though that they left because of CM
and not enough money. Easier for them to step out and eventually write THEIR books too.
Doug Wollenburg said: ” If only Caylee had a family that supported and stayed true to her…”. I think that is a very valid statement. Caylee might still be alive today if the anthonys had supported and attended to her needs as they have casey’s ego since this all began.
It appears that these attorneys jumped in for a little “free” publicity. It had nothing to do with justice or even the horrid felon anthony….it was only for a buck. I think that speaks volumes about their character and integrity. Ms. Baden may be a hoot, but she is, IMO, a sleazy slime ball just like team mumbles and bumbles. While I am convinced at this point that casey murdered her innocent child, she is entitled to a vigorous defense. She is NOT entitled to the spectacle that she has received thus far. bozo squandered her ill begotten funds and CJ Perry should force an accounting for those monies. As a FL taxpayer, I don’t think bozo should get one dime more unless and until he provides an accurate accounting of those funds. If he cannot provide a satisfactory accounting, he should be charged with fraud, fired and prohibited from practicing law in this State until he can find the time to provide such an accounting. I am certain that a Public Defender that is already being paid substantially less than this idiot has already thrown away, could provide at least as valid a defense. Probably a BETTER defense!
Mr. Shaeffer, Please forgive me I haven read all the entries, I am wondering, would it be possible that Bozo and Circus put some of that money of Casey Anthony into escroe, perhaps saving that money for when she walks out of the courtroom arm and arm with Mr. Mason, of course I’m being sarcastic on that statement. I’m just wondering if Mr. Bozo himself, opened up an account for Casey Anthony with some of that ABC Money. I am wondering if that was spoken of behind closed doors with the judge, I mean there is a lot of money missing, and for some reason Bozo doesn’t want to share what for. If that is the case, then she should not deserve assistance from the state. It could have easily also put into her brothers name, her parents obviously couldn’t have it because of the foreclosure house thing going on. Just a question would it be possible?
Ina defense lawyers can, do, and will defend guilty client’s everyday.
And no it is not obstruction, BUT There are rules apply.
A client can tell their lawyer if they are guilty, and that lawyer is duty bound to keep that info secret unless the client says to plead them guilty.
In court, a defense attorney “CAN NOT” put any witness on the stand including their client if they “KNOW” they are going to lie under oath.
It is because of those rule’s that “some” lawyers never ask their client if they are guilty, they may suspect it, but until their client tells them ” I did it” they are able to work under the assumption of innocence.
A lawyer can not knowingly deceive the court as well, in other words lets say jose’ knows Casey killed Caylee, lets also assume her parents know this as well.
Jose could not under oath ask questions of George & Cindy that he knew they would lie with their answer.
for instance if they know Caylee died the night of the 15th, Jose’ could not ask George & Cindy to lie under oath and say they saw Caylee on the day of the 16th.
Does anyone know what Mason meant when he said this will end up being a federal case? Or did he say that? He didn’t use those exact words and his speech is difficult to understand, but that’s what I got out of it.
Who is she kidding ? You can fly most weekdays on Spirit Airlines to and from Lagaurdia and Orlando for $86.00 each way, a modest furnished Apt would cost no more than 5-6 hundred a month, between her and her husband they have the means to pay for that, she got out because she knew the case was hopeless and didn’t want to tarnish her repuatation, I’m sure there were probably other issues with Baez as well.
The defense team is very aware that the evidence against the accused is sufficient for any jury to convict on. Their overall goal at this point is to make attempts to change Florida laws and set a foundation for future appeals. Ms. Baden and Lyons never intended to see this case to the end. They did not need this case to find fame. Each would like to see changes made and used this case as an effort to promote their cause. Lyons is against the death penalty—LKB is against air science. I personally had held out hope that this “dream team” would see the case to the end, and provide excellent legal services to the accused so that all appeals post conviction would be denied.
Casey and Mason both looked upset at something…Maybe they just told her that L.K. baden just escaped from the “In your Dreams Team”, and she was upset that her only chance of a technicality just disappeared. And we have all seen that Casey will cry…For Casey…She won’t shed a tear for others.
These attorneys are doing to Casey as she did to Caylee…Using and getting what they can, then dumping her.
Karma…You got to love it.
Thanks for the perspective on this.
Casey had the opportunity to speak up at the invitation of the court on Friday when Judge Perry asked if anyone objected, and the only comment was a joke by Ashton.
But if Mr. Schaeffer’s views are right, about the loss of Ms. Kenny-Baden as a blow to Casey’s defense, then why wouldn’t the client stand up for herself then and there and object to the loss of this key forensic defense specialist? She did have the right, didn’t she?
What if that had happened? Would Baez up and quit too?
I enjoy your columns very much Mr. Schaffer. What I don’t understand is people who dont even know each other at each others throats arguing on the blog . Slunt power keeps a keepin on. That squack rules the world right now. What the heck is “BAB”?
@kleat: As Casey is accused of murdering her daughter, and everyone watching her hates her, she has been in jail for 2 years already, she looks as if she is about to lose it and Baez is the only ‘friend’ she has right now ; I doubt she , on her own and very lonely, could have stand up for herself and say anything if she wanted changes. Risking Baez, her only hope perhaps, to leave? She must be a bit beaten and numb by now?
I cannot believe what this blog has turned into. There are places to go to talk and trash MD and/or babs. It was nice when it was kept at those places.
Don’t even want to bother talking about Bill’s post or the hearing here. Used to be a nice place to discuss those things and now it has turned into petty ridiculousness.
Hope Craig comes in on Monday and cleans it up.
A grand jury brought down a charge of Murder One, given the testimony and evidence put before them. Everyone watching her does not hate her. This is a broad statement. If you read certain blogs and comments, there are those who do not believe that Casey murdered her daughter. Cindy and George, no doubt believe that Casey killed Caylee. I do not believe they hate her. In their minds, they are probably making excuses for her behavior. So Casey is probably lonely. Should we provide her with some companionship and entertainment to show it is okay to murder your own child but we just hate to see her lonely. Casey is beaten and numb. We do not know what took place in the commission of the crime when Caylee was murdered. Was she beaten until she became numb? When her little body had to succumb to the heinous crime, her body became comatose, then lifeless. Why are we so worried about Casey’s well being when this is all about seeking justice for that child? How many copycat murders of children will be see if Casey is treated like royalty? To condone a murderess is to be as bad as.
Kleat:
Under Florida law Jose’ can not quit now, after he accepted her money, and now that it is spent he is her lawyer to the end, unless she were to ask for a change in lawyers herself.
But since she has at least 3 others on her team she would be hard pressed to get a court appointed lawyer added, unless those three were to quit, which since they did not receive payment from her as a retainer they could ask to be excused from the case.
Hope this made sense…..
? I was just stating why in my opinion, Casey would not speak even if she had a chance, that is all. Everyone would be beaten and numb after 2 years in jail, guilty or not. I am not suggesting there is something wrong in that but it is logical she is not up for a fight, an argument or any initiative.
Who is condoning a murderess here? Who says she should be treated as royalty? Now honestly.
judypc~~you explained that very well. Baez cannot quit unless Casey ousts him as incompetent or he becomes ill and cannot do any lawyering. This would include all of his cases.
lol now I see who made the comment. Never mind then
@Judy: so we may assume Casey didn’t confess the murder to her lawyers then?
What would happen if she did, how would Baez have to handle the case then?
I think I understand what you were saying (or trying to say). You’ve got Casey, who is, for all intents and purposes, alone. She is a twenty something, uneducated, single woman, who has been in jail for 2 years with minimal communication with her family. Then, you’ve got her panel of lawyers. They are highly paid, very well-respected (leaving Bozo out of the equation), extremely well-educated professionals. They are older than she is. They have legal knowledge, she has none. For Casey to stand up to them and challenge their direction would be a major power-play on her part and it would take a lot of confidence, self-assurance, and strength. Frankly, she is a powerless person right now with very few other options.
@didi, that is what I meant. Thanks.
Nice little ghosty there btw
Thanks! Don’t hate me because I’m booo-tiful!
Caylee was alone and felt powerless against the adult who was supposed to love and protect her. Her words were snuffed out as she gazed into her mother’s evil eyes with a small frightened stare. Did she have a chance to say, “Mommy, don’t hurt me?” Now Casey may get a small taste of the same feelings that Caylee’s felt in those last moments, defenselsss and afraid, as she fights for her own life.
Sorry ss, I know your comment is made from the heart, very sensitive and moving, but it is kind of hard to stay serious when I see a beagle hump’n a pumkin
Rofl, that is one scary halloween avatar!
Have a nice Halloween, it is night for me.
LOL! Ina it is “Snoopy” (from Charlie Brown) looking inside the pumpkin! I even had to do a double take. Clock on the pic and it takes you where you can see it “enlarged”.
(Beagle hump’n a pumkin-that was funny!)
Make that “click” on the picture, not “clock”.
Re: Kleat’s comment and Ina’s response
Apparently Casey signed away her need for LKB with a flourish. I wonder, too, how active she is in her defense. After two years, has she made a smooth transition from “event planner” to “attorney extraordinaire?”
Some say her demeanor in court has become subdued because the facts of her situation are beginning to sink in. I believe otherwise. I think she has been carefully coached to sit perfectly still. Some of us still want to project what we perceive as normal, predictable behavior in Casey’s actions/reactions despite all the evidence we have to the contrary based upon all that we know about her.
It’s hard to reconcile the quiet, unassuming figure at the defense table with the sneezing, bracelet-blessing weirdo; the playful, smiling mother with the murdered, abandoned child. Casey is a master when it comes to presenting an image, while being something entirely different in reality.
So the long and the short of it is, we can’t assume the appearance that she is lonely, withdrawn, coming to a realization, or powerless in her defense to be the truth. When it comes to Casey, we would probably be better off to think of a normal reaction, then apply the opposite.
I can not believe this nonsense still goes on. Give it a rest and focus on the case. Caylee deserves better than being kicked around by more adults. Mr Sheaffer has taken his time to write this post, is there any chance at all any of you are really interested in this case?
I addressed the comment to Kleat and Ina’s discourse. I don’t have a blog.
Casey may get a small taste of the same feelings that Caylee’s felt in those last moments, defenselsss and afraid, as she fights for her own life.
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Very true
>>I can not believe this nonsense still goes on. Give it a rest and focus on the case<<
I agree with you 100%. Why the animosity? Good grief!
I am not here under another name? I hate the fighting! Let it go, please!
I do believe, last minute, Casey will plead to the court. Just like in the check fraud case. I know it's not a popular opinion but, this will not make it to trial. Mr. Baez does not have a defense & the SA will spare the taxpayers of Florida (which I am one of) some money & future appeals. Just my opinion.
Hi So What-
My only thought on the plea thing is that there is lots of $$ to be lost in book deals, interviews, “Lifetime movies” etc, if the case goes to a plea. The drama is in the trial. Obvi, Casey’s lawyers have a dog in that fight.
Plea Deal…
Remember that a “Deal” would demand that Casey stand up in Court and tell the world what she did to Caylee and those statements would have to be satisfactory to the State.
And just like at the end of her Fraud Trial when she said “I wish I’d been a better friend” you can bet dollars to doughnuts that she’ll say “I wish I’d been a better mother”.
What I really like about this case now, is that Casey’s wake of destuction is confined to her family and legal team and a few Correctional Officers who foolishly befriended her. When before and just after her arrest it was anyone she ever met or knew, or whoever Cindy and Casey could attempt to lay blame and/or suspicions on.
Given the defense teams huge egos would they let her take a deal?
so what–
I wouldn’t be surprised if a last minute plea deal occurred, either, but as I understand it that is at the discretion of the state. I stated before that the choices for the state could be to accept a plea and alleviate the taxpayers’ burden, or to take it all through to Casey’s bitter end.
Would Casey have to give a full acccounting of Caylee’s murder as part of a plea agreement? How does this work in Florida?
Oops, sorry Doug! I was writing my comment as yours posted! Thanks for the info!
Halloween Night…
I wonder if anyone showed up at Cindy’s door in a Caylee mask covered with Duct tape ?? Or could you imagine little kids running up to Cindy’s door in Caylee masks, or parents telling scary stories to the kids that end in “and your new mother is CASEY” or “the babysitter was CINDY”. Man the kids would be screaming all night.
The Nightmare on Hopespring Drive…
It is Halloween and nothing scares more than the truth. Casey is Free, and Cindy’s back on T.V.
See scary.
Oh, wow! Casey as The Boogey-Man…
“She’s coming to getcha’!”
Also wouldn’t a Plea Deal stop all appeals and she would have to serve the full sentence ? I don’t see lil’ Casey doing that, she depends to much upon the kindness of strangers/suckers to give up the appeals process, cause in the long run, that is her only hopefor freedom.
Personally, I think the state is confident in the strength of its case, otherwise why seek the DP? I also believe Casey’s narcissism extends to thinking she will walk. But that observation requires very little insight, doesn’t it?
Probably the only people talking “plea” are we the bloggers, lol!
Also, wouldn’t a plea Deal remove all chances of an appeal ? I don’t see lil’ Casey giving up her only chance at freedom by giving up the appeals process. In the years to come, appeals will be her only hope as she sits in her cell surrounded by papers filled with her scribbles trying to find a way out.
And that’s the only problem with the Death Penalty, it gives them hope. Even at the last minute Casey will still have hope that the Governour will call with her reprieve.
So if she takes a plea she will have to…
Confess
serve her full sentence
give up her only chance of freedom (appeals process)
I don’t see lil’ Casey doing that.
If Ann Finnell and Jeanene Barrett feel that they have enough mitigating circumstancial evidence to get Casey, LWOP, we will not see the defense try to plea bargain. If they think that they will have a weak presentation in the penalty phase, I think they will try to plea bargain. The state does not have to accept a plea. The defense had their chance and may even have gotten Casey, aggrevated manslaughter. Baez botched it and now the defense is gambling with Casey’s life. She is their ante.
Correction: evidenced on this page would mean this site/within the comments in response to Mr. Shaeffer’s article.
Good evening.
didi: you hit the nail on the head regarding the issue on the Petit case:no LWOP plea no matter what the cost or time to the State. Can’t plea INTO the DP in CT. In this case, IF and that’s a HUGE if inmate anthony finally decided to take a plea as guilty as charged, I’m not from Fl. but I wonder IF she can plea INTO the DP?
ina: defendants LIE frequently, matters not to whom. Defense attys may circumvent the truth in any way, shape or form in the defense of their client but are not permitted to break the laws of the State in which they practice or for that matter, Federal ones! Re-read judypc’s answer, it was spectacular! Perhaps it will help explain how the defense side “shops” for helpful interpretatiions to the evidence released by the prosecution scientists. The key is the JURY is considered the arbitrator of fact in the case.
Ina:
If Casey has confessed to her lawyers they still can project attention else where, as in trying to attack the forensics, or any story to raise reasonable doubt.
What they can not do by law is enter any sworn testimony that they know to be a lie.
They could not put Casey on the stand and allow her to profess her innocence, or place any other person on the stand they know intends to lie.
All attorney’ are officers of the court, they are bound by honor to uphold truth and justice, any deviation from the strict codes can result in disbarment.
Now, we have all seen Jose’ play fast and loose with the rules, and I dare say he, in most opinions is not looked at as honorable, most would not be surprised to find he did not abide by the cannons of ethic’s.
Personally, I do believe Casey has told him some version of what happened to Caylee.
An accident perhaps, I can not explain why I believe this, other than to simply say it is a gut feeling.
I get the sense he knows she killed her daughter, he may not have all the truth, but I believe he has enough of it to know his client is in fact guilty.
His job now is to try to save his client, to add enough confusion, and distractions to the jury so they have a hard time honing in on Casey.
They will try to get forensics thrown out in the frye motions, if they loose there they will attack the science and the expert witnesses with their own experts that will offer exact opposite opinions from the state.
They will point to other people as possible suspects, and they will in the end if convicted and she does receive the D.P will then attack her family and home situation.
The defense has an open array of options at there dispense, without ever having to admit their clients guilt.
One other thing Ina, if Casey confessed to Jose’ alone, and he did not share that info with the other lawyers on the team, he could allow one of them to question a witness he knew would lie.
Is it ethical?
No, but could he plead his innocence?
Shaky ground but yes.
Wow, thank you all who explained to me how it works. I am starting to see the picture so to say.
I suppose the first thing a lawyer does in a case like this when he meets his client for the first time, is saying: “Hi, don’t tell me you did it or not, I am here to defend your rights and if I don’t know of your guilt, I can do it with a clear concience.”
In court, before a jury, maybe a lawyer could use that public knowledge, that he would never ask a client about her guilt, and, in a (staged) passionated plea, he could adress the jury first:
“Do you really believe, that I, a respected lawyer, would jeopardize my reputation over a murderer, a woman who has killed her own child? Think again!”
Then swiftly turning to (in this case, Casey) and pointing at her:
“Casey Anthony! Did you kill your daughter Caylee Marie Anthony?”
An “ooooo” goes through the room, this was not expected!
“No, no I didn’t!”
Silence. The lawyer throughs a pile of paper (not the real documents, but just sheets) on the floor.
“So much for so called evidence! I rest my case!”
Now I can’t see mr Baez do this, but maybe mr Mason? Could this be a scenario to convince the jury?
How is a jury to know what is for real?
Ina
I have heard a jury described as 12 people gathered together to see who has the best lawyer. Pretty much sums it up.
The jury will do the best they can based on evidence presented at trial. Our system is not perfect but is the best we have.
Hi BJ, that sounds like a good description, you know I am sorry if it sounds I am criticizing the system, just wondering how and why. Why would they not use 12 judges instead of random people for instance. Is it the idea that a person has to be judges by his/her peers? But who would be the peer of Casey then? Not a middleaged familyman with a shop I think, or a doctor, a hairdresser to mention a few.
Has anyone who reads here ever done juror duty on a murdercase? Maybe it would be interesting if someone could tell about it. Ty
“has to be judged” I mean, not “has to been judges”.
HI all,
hey JudyPC haven’t seen you in a while!
@Ina, I was a juror on a murder trial, the facts weren’t like the facts in this case , but when a person is “judged by a jury of their peers” it means they are judged by people in their community. It’s not so much that it has to be people the defendants age, work and educational experience.
Judges and lawyers are never on jury’s that I know of, I think the reason may be that they would pay attention to procedural issues more than evidence and testimony. I have heard lawyers say how much they would like to be on a jury but as soon as they mention their profession they are excused.
The trial I was on, the defendant was a 19 year old man, I was no where near 19 and not male.
I was also on a jury where the defendant was a 20 year old gang member, he was accused of two counts of attempted murder.
Not sure what you want to know about it, hope that covered it.
Hi talking 2 much, thanks, I would like to know what made you decide the man was guilty or not, did the majority say he was, was not, was the evidence solid in your opinion and how did you all decide what the verdict would be?
Was it in a state with the same kind of laws as in FL? lol I should chance my nick to asking2much maybe
I’m not buying into princess poopy pants being a damsel in distress. Uneducated? yes, in the traditional sense. Isolated? By choice. Unduly influenced by the adults around her? Seriously? 18 year olds are considered adults in this country. They can vote, serve in the military, sign contracts, etc……They have been declared ADULTS. casey is not a sheltered innocent. She was involved with several young men whose career was in LE. Her father is a cop. She KNOWS her way around the laws and, no doubt, is not unduly impressed with lawyers. Who wants to bet she grew up hearing about stupid lawyers. One only has to watch the video of her being arrested to know that this little smirky snot has street smarts. After all, she has spent a lifetime leading the adults around her, idiots that they may be, down the garden path.
casey is not being held in a dungeon. She is in a modern detention facility. She is served three nutritionally adequate meals each day that more than meet her physical and mental requirements. She is allowed to visit with ANYONE that she chooses, including her family, her priest, her attys, her friends, heck you can even visit if she so chooses. She is allowed to read and can have a radio to listen to current events. She is allowed to exercise. She receives medical and dental care as well as psychological counseling if she desires. She can correspond with anyone she wants. She is not isolated, malnourished, beaten, neglected nor abused in any way. The State will furnish her any education she wishes. She has NO responsibilities. The only thing she cannot do is pole dance and participate in hot body contests!
Ina, yes it was in Fl, Orange Co too , so the same laws apply. In the murder trial we found him guilty and all the jurors agreed.
He admitted to the killing but his excuses were,
1.) it was an accident, the jury’s problem with that was, it’s hard to accidently shoot someone in the head, grazing the forehead then chasing the woman through two yards and shooting her in the head a second time.
2.) He was drunk at the time, voluntary intoxication is not a viable defense.
In the attempted murder trial, we found him not guilty, not because we thought he was innocent but because the State failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was the one who fired the gun wounding two people, there were 96 shell casings collected at the scene and the forensic witness, ( A woman I have seen at the A’s house) testified there were a minimum of three guns used, possibly more leading us to believe someone other than the defendant could have been responsible.
In both cases we just talked about what our questions were , and tried to answer questions for each other and then voted. It was pretty simple in both cases but in some cases the jury takes a long time and some times there are pretty bad arguments.
Hi Frankie! I agree, she could see her family and friends, ( those she has left) if she insisted. If I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard a lawyer complain that their client won’t take their advise I could take a cruise like the A’s did. lol
It’s good to see you, I was a little worried ’bout ya.
What I mean by lawyers complaining about the clients is, in the end the decisions are the client’s, the lawyer advises but the client makes the final decisions.
However, I’m not sure she has a full understanding of the role LKB played and how her leaving the case could affcet her case, I think she is being told by JB that all is well and he has this thing under control, I think she has placed a lot of trust in him, more than she should.
I do believe JB has isolated her but I also know that she has allowed it.
Thanks t2m . A’s house= not accused’s house I suppose. But Anthony’s? (makes more sense).
Yeah, I saw her collecting evidence at the Anthony’s.
I liked her because her attitude stayed the same when the State and the defense attorney’s questioned her, she answered their questions fully and didn’t act like she was on anyone’s side, just that she did her job and had no concern about whether the defendant was found guilty or not. I like that because I’ve seen some witnesses come across like they want the trial to end one way or the other and that can make you think they may slant their testimony to get what they want.
t2m: Hey…yeah, I’ve been a bit busy helping my daughter host a Halloween carnival for her kids and their friends.
I am curious. What instructions did you receive as to “reasonable doubt”? I think that concept is so poorly defined that jurors are confused as to the meaning.
It’s been a while so I don’t remember word for word, but I do remember that we were told resonable doubt is NOT all doubt. The judge was LeBlanc, and he said it is NOT beyond a shadow of a doubt, which , I think is the biggest misconception people have.
It was whether a reasonable person could hear/see the evidence and testimony and believe that the State had met it’s burden of proof, if not we had to come back with a verdict of not guilty.
For example, in the case of the attempted murder, the State said she would show us that the defendant was the only person who could have commited the crime, but the defense atty showed that in fact several guns had been used and over one hundred people ( all gang members) were at the scene. Once we heard that and saw the shell casings ( they were not all the same, proving that several guns had been used) , we knew that it was reasonable that someone else could have fired the shots that wounded the victims.
But if the defendant had been surrounded by nuns instead of gang members, we would not have had any reasonable doubt. Even though there would have been one hundred nuns, the likelyhood that nuns and not the defendant fired the shots would be pretty slim.
That answer was kinda convoluted, I know but hope that helps.
That made total sense! My biggest fear is that a juror will not understand “reasonable” doubt and, as we have seen indicated here, believe that ANY doubt is viable.
Frankie, I know in the murder case I was on, there was a young woman, maybe 20 who really didn’t want to go with guilty, it’s hard, no one wanted to send a 19 year old to prison for the rest of his life, and she wanted to kind of cop out on the reasonable doubt but the other jurors reminded her of the instructions .
The good thing about having 12 jurors in a murder trial is there are a lot of people to hold the others to the instructions and their duty as a juror.
It is a heavy burden to be a juror, everyone on both jurys I was on took it very seriously.
Does anyone have any thoughts about why KC looked so upset when she first came into Court Last Friday, & CA looked visibly upset? Although CA is such a “drama queen,” I wonder IF what the FBI/45-50 pages released to the Defense contained more damning evidence.
jmo, I don’t believe for one minute that LK Baden left KC’s case because of money! I can’t remember exactly how much, but I remember during the Phil Spector Case Dr. Micheal Baden was ask how much money he was paid & I was “shocked.”
jmo, I think LK Baden “digested the depositions of the expert’s” & realizes there is not a chance in hell that KC is innocent, so, WHY should she damage her reputation for “potential future earnings in a High Profile Case where the defendant can pay for her expertise.”
GOOD LUCK MORON! (Baez!) He needs someone to replace LK Baden, someone willing to pay their travel, hotel during trial, etc., etc. WHO NEEDS the GRIEF for a mother that murdered her child. jmo.
Hi art tart,
I agree, I don’t believe the reason is money, she knew the defendant had no money or job when she was arrested. I’m thinking the evidence isn’t in the defendants favor and then add all the hassle and it isn’t worth it.
In the Spector case, I don’t think the evidence was very good either but the money was soooo.
I wonder if C. Mason is maybe a big part of the problem, I don’t think he would be easy to work with for anyone but I have a feeling he isn’t real easy for women to work with.
Frankie , Art & T2M – You guy’s have nailed it, reasonable doubt is explained as what any reasonable person would be expected to believe, not any doubt, the jury may doubt the murder happened in the exact way the state lays out, but can still have no doubt Casey murdered Caylee.
Beyond reasonable doubt simply means use you’re head, and think about what you yourself would do under the circumstances.
Hey T2M, where the cat hair have you been?
Frankie, you have been a month of Sundays gone too!!
Glad to see you guys.
Ina, yes I have been involved with murder case’s in Kentucky I was used as a witness for the state on the effects and cycles of domestic violence.
Kentucky is a commonwealth state and does have the D.P.
I also helped TIJ with a Texas murder case, we were in that case able to prove the persons innocence and get them off death row & released from prison.
I have seen written news reports that KC seemed upset when entering the courtroom but have found no video or pictures of her entry. Are there any out there and if so, where are they?
1. Self serving lies to her friends and family—to justify Caylee not being around.
2. Consciousness of Guilt—lies to cops, family, friends to avoid detection
3. Coffin flies in trunk—evidence of human decomp event in the trunk
4. Abandoned car—self serving attempt to dispose of auto with strong smell
5. Henkle Duct Tape—uncommon brand–found on victim—found at Anthony home
6. Heart sticker–found near victim remains—found in Anthony home
7. Failure to report missing child—self serving—to buy time for body to fully decay
8. Borrowed a shovel—probably an attempt to dig a grave—too hard—gave up
9. Laundry bag—contained victim remains—matches laundry bag at Anthony home
10. Internet searches at Anthony home–ways to kill–neck breaking–chloroform
11. Outcry witnesses—do not exist
12. Non-existent nanny—self serving—an attempt to blame someone else.
There is more—but I’m tired of typing now.
Hey Judy, you know me, I’m all over the place. Hows the book coming?
Pipkin52, I keep reading the same but I don’t know of any pic or videos.
Cindy seemed to be more dramatic than usual too, wonder whats up.
Hey Judy. I have been checking in here every so often, but I grow weary of the stupidity of blog wars. CHEESENRICE! It takes forever to post when you have to slog through all that, so I just post elsewhere and read here.
I see ^^ where the attempt now is to portray casey as downtrodden and misunderstood . . . not buying it myself. Karma…it will get you! This case is, as it always has been, about the betrayal and murder of a not quite three year old…Caylee Marie.
I didn’t see her looking upset either and I took the time to watch the entire trial! I hope it is finally getting through their thick skulls that she may pay with her life for the taking of Caylee’s life. That, I believe, is as it should be.
I sure wish Mr. Sheaffer could offer up his opinion of chaney mason. CM has to be the most obnoxious man on the planet. He is nothing short of a liar, IMO. And while I ranting, I am not overly pleased with CJ Perry! He is like a snippy little puppy…..tells them all about how HE is running this case, but then gives the defense anything they want. I am aggravated with his telling Ms. Burdick that he didn’t believe her when she told him what the duhfense said to her. How dare him? He CHOOSES to believe the two biggest liars in the State, but calls LDB a liar? Maybe he should consider the lies and obvious deceptions practiced by mumbles and bumbles??????
Sorry…rant over!!!
Great post Mr. Sheaffer !!
Gives me something to think about with the amount of lawyers quitting the defense team. My first thought is still the same. I think at the time when Linda Kinny Baden signed on, she was doing a civil duty to help a inexperienced defense team with a case of Murder One w/DP. Jose Baez needed all the help he could get. I also think it has a lot to do with LKB’s out of state jurisdiction (if that’s the right term?? ) Doesn’t she have to have a Florida license to practice law in Orlando? Just my opinion and thank you for the new thread.
Ina said on November 1, 2010 at 6:05 am
Hi BJ, that sounds like a good description, you know I am sorry if it sounds I am criticizing the system, just wondering how and why. Why would they not use 12 judges instead of random people for instance. Is it the idea that a person has to be judges by his/her peers? But who would be the peer of Casey then? Not a middleaged familyman with a shop I think, or a doctor, a hairdresser to mention a few.
Has anyone who reads here ever done juror duty on a murdercase? Maybe it would be interesting if someone could tell about it. Ty
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Hi Ina,
I appreciate your question as I’ve often thought of this myself. In America, we are judged by a panel of our peers. Saying this, Casey’s peers should be a younger more diverse panel, I would hope to see but considering the time involved and the fact that the jury will be sequestered for possibly months, this will be a tough jury to find. Just my thoughts and as usual it’s always nice to read your commentary coming from a Danish perspective.
Hi JB, yes, I see that peers, that can be about location, social standards, I suppose there are rules for that.
Make that Dutch perspective, lol.
Thanks anyway
It is nice to read views from a different angle on your blog too!
http://madaboutjustice.blogspot.com/2007/10/jury-composition-then-and-now.html
here it says: ” Jurors are summoned across a wide section of the population – namely, anyone who is a U.S. citizen, is registered to vote, and has a valid drivers license in locale at which the court proceedings are being held.” So no drivers can’t be jurors?
Non drivers? Oh well
I am still looking for something where it says what are peers exactly.
http://www.crfc.org/americanjury/jury_peers.html
I will probably get banned for flurrying.
The legal sense of peers would not depend on demographics in a country where everyone is considered equal in the eyes of the law.
Think about it. If we defined “peers” as say, political peers, does that mean the jurors should all have the same political persuasion? The same could be done with gender, sexuality, age, education, occupation, salary, family make-up…the list is ongoing. No, peers aren’t demographically determined.
Same as the defendant, that is.
Frankie:
I got the since when Judge Perry said “no they didn’t” to LDB it was more of a statement of shock, like your kidding, right?
Because after she told him “actually judge I gave you the cleaned up version” you could see him glare at Mason and then he issued his warning about if the depo’s aren’t done on time guess you won’t be taking any more.
It was also after that, when Jose took on his whipped puppy please pat me on the head routine with his kind’a, almost apology to LDB.
Doc dump tomorrow???
Hi judy, frankie, T2M.
And hellooooo art tart!!!!!
Hi LNY!
Hmmmm I musta missed a good deal of the hearing,
Was the comment from JP like: Oh no he didn’t, or more like Oh no he dient?
Makes a big difference, lol
Gonna have to watch that hearing again after tomorrow.
Y’all don’t forget to vote! It’s not only a right but also a duty.
You are posting under a stolen name, you steal email addresses, and will trash any blog JUST to get your point across? How pathetic are you. You know the truth is not that hard to sell. Obviously you and the truth, and integrity, are strangers.
How many more months of this will there be?
Grow up for pity sake
Beast, read the comment again, obviously there is a problem. The s/n says one thing the comment says another. “i am posting under snoopy’s name”
When posting under other people’s s/n’s it isn’t uncommon to become confused. lol
Why would a person admit to such things as stealing email addys ?
Craig will clean it up in the am I think.
Hey everyone…it sure is nice to have a workable blog! At least until it is destroyed with the stupidity!
Judy, I hope you are right….I was so disappointed in CJ Perry. I think his statement was, “I don’t believe he said that”. I thought he was serious, but I will go back and watch it again. If he did, it certainly is a shame, because I do NOT believe LDB is stupid enough to tell a bald faced lie to CJ Perry.
Local 6 reporting a doc dump tomorrow of 1000 pages, including letters.
OMGosh!!
Ya’ll please excuse my typo’s.
Sense not (since) yikes all I can say is, I’m having a very blond Monday!!
I went back and listened again. In Part 4, starting about 18:59 is when LDB reported mason for saying that the stipulations are unenforceable and they would do the depos when they pleased. CJ Perry said…verbatim…”I don’t think, I don’t think they said that”. He was smiling and pushed back in his chair. To me, his body language said he was angry, but I don’t know who he was angry with. LDB told him that was what was said but that she had given him the sanitized version. mason, the lummox, was smirking and bozo appeared to be suppressing a smirk. CJ Perry said to LDB “all they can do is try, all they can do is try”.
What is everyone’s take on this exchange? I am soooooo hoping Judy is right and CJ Perry is really going to put a stop to all this nonsense.
Ina said, on November 1, 2010 at 6:05 am
Hi BJ, that sounds like a good description, you know I am sorry if it sounds I am criticizing the system, just wondering how and why. Why would they not use 12 judges instead of random people for instance. Is it the idea that a person has to be judges by his/her peers? But who would be the peer of Casey then? Not a middleaged familyman with a shop I think, or a doctor, a hairdresser to mention a few.
ok Ina, you are always against how we do it here, and forget your phony bs that you don’t, what the heck do you do in your country? please explain how it is so much better
do you guys do over there? who judg
will there ever be a place we can talk about this case withoout the kneckel babs war interferring?
on November 1, 2010 at 12:59 pm I have seen written news reports that KC seemed upset when entering the courtroom but have found no video or pictures of her entry. Are there any out there and if so, where are they?
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There some place where no one can find them. Even the media is bored with the Casey bashing. She facing death and they think that’s enough. At least that’s what I read on a news report. If you pray real hard maybe God will send you the link.
Ina, the jury can be of any age, race, shape, size and profession. They don’t look for 22 year old single mothers who are thieves with no jobs.
I can tell you that I was, first of all on Grand Jury in 2003 or 2004. I was also on jury duty. The first case was a robbery. My Grandmother was robbed by a “push-in” robbery (a man and woman with a child! Nice, huh?) And an old friend from The Bronx was roobed and killed. So neither side wanted me on the jury as I am sure they thought I would have been biased. I was also on jurry duty for someone suing an insurance company. I sued for a care accident back in the early 90′s. So I wasn;t picked for that one either.
So they will have to pick for people who could, IF it comes to that, vote for the DP and both sides will try to pick, through questioning potential jurors, who will be best for THIER side. Each side will be able to dismiss a certain amount of juror’s that they do not “like” (for lack of a better term I can come up with right now).
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From what I have read, in the Netherlands 20 years is the max for murder or murderer’s can be kept in prison on some kind of “psychiatric thingy”.
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T2M- It was more like “Oh no he dint” LOL! But seriously, the judge knows he did! CM is pompous enough to say that. And I agree frankie, I highly doubt LDB would lie.
Hi mchl and Linda, Linda ty for explaining, so the word ‘peers’ can mean different things. Maybe it just means: people who are not practizing law.
Horrible, you have had those experiences with violience to close ones, very sorry to hear that about your grandmother and friend.
You have a lot of experiences in juries. (care = car I think) Thank you for your information.
I am not saying the Jury system is not as good, mlch, maybe it is better?
The only advantage so far in the Dutch legal system as I see it, is, because there is no dp, when after a while a convicted person turns out to be innocent anyway, he/she will be released, given money for compensation, and can still have a life.
It happend a lot lately overhere, people like Lucia de B. f.i who was convicted for murdering patients. Later the scientists found out she couldn’t have killed any of them, it wasn’t even murder in all cases but natural deaths. So the case was opened again and now she is out. In other cases, new DNA techniques proved people were convicted wrongly and they also were cleared. Now if they had had the dp, innocent persons would have been killed by the law.
Sometimes people here get life sentences, and that really means life. And often they get psychiatric treatment after their prison time, and sometimes they won’t get out from that as they just can’t ‘heal’. I think in US there are also programs like that.
A grand jury is a different sort of jury? I will look it up
Thanks Lin.
Linda…After looking at the video again, I agree that you and Judy are probably right. I have a lot of respect for LDB. I think she is a fighter! cm is a supercilious azzzzzhole, IMO. I wonder if CJ Perry thinks that cm is a major contributor to the discord?
Hi Ina. Very glad to have a nice converstaion with you. Yes, care=CAR!! AND when I was like 11 years old the family came to my school “concert”. While we were gon our house was robbed. Took my Dad’s VW too!! Crime can happen anywhere. The two I mentioned above happened in the Bronx.
The Grand Jury is when you are picked, kinda like a lottery. Literally got my name pulled out of a sorta spinning cage. It think there were twelve of us. I was the “seceratary”. The DA’s present evidence to the Grand Jury to see if they have enough evidence to indict someone for a crime. They present the evidence, leave the room and we voted on if they presented enough evidence. (Hope I explained that OK)You are on it for I believeit was two months, 3 days a week. Luckily my job paid me for the time. I would go in to work at 7:00 am or earlier to do payroll on Mondays or do some other quick work and get to the courthouse by 9am. The biggest thing when I was on GJ was a huge drug trafficking thing in the County. We listened in on phone calls, heard testimony from undercover detectives and they even passed the cocaine confiscated around to all the GJ juror’s. There were other cases too. Shoplifting, a fight w/ injury at a restaurant and other one’s I can’t recall right now. It was very interesting!
One thing believe it or not that I DO agree with you on, Ina, is that while you cannot take the DP “back”, thank G-d there is now DNA that can exonerate an innocent person.
The DP is on the table here and there is nothing that will get it off, save for the prosecution accepting a plea of guilty from Casey with LWOP. I don’t see that happening. She is too far “in it” now, I think to suddenly admit guilt. With that said, there HAVE been some that, at the 11th hour admit guilt. I just saw a two hour 48 Hours or some show where that happened, I believe while the jury was deciding his guilt or innocence he pled guilty (ART TART did you see it? The guy who murdered his estranged wife and shot a judge?) Then he turned around and said he had incompetent attorney’s. There was a trial for appealing his guilty pleas,BUT his guilty plea stood! It is up in the air as to if a jury will go for the DP for Casey. I go back and forth myself on if she will get it or not. I absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt that she is guilty.
Hi frankie! The prosecution is on the up and up. The defense have proven themselves to be well, sleazy in their actions…
HAae a good day all. Can’t wait to see tonite, what has been released today. Maybe I will sneak a peek from work. (Last week at the temp job-then I will probably go back “full time” to Case Anthony case-LOL!, but hopefully not for too long-Went on an interview last week-the woman got 250 resume’s for ONE position! Losing hope!)
Good morning all…just stopping by to say hello
hello mix!!
Waving at Mix! LNY: Don’t give up…..change is a coming and life is going to be rosy, just ask the democrats! LOL
I agree with Ina (imagine that). The dp cannot be taken back, BUT, we do have an appeals process that lasts years. The wrongly accused can continue to fight. But since the dp is a final act, I think it is vital that we adhere to the letter (and intent) of the law and make as certain as is humanly possible that an accused is guilty. However, I think it is a danger to society when a guilty person walks free because someone made a simple error. Or, IMO, as happened in the oj simpson case, where jurors were in effect bought off with his fame and fortune.
Voters in Fl have determined that if you murder someone with premeditation, you pay with your life. You no longer are allowed in our community. It is the ultimate form of banishment.
Well, I guess at this point I’m obliged to make a denial since there have now been two posts accusing me of things I am in no way associated with. No, I have not been involved with any “letter”. No, I do not back or support anyone – well, but Eddy Izzard because he’s a fantabulous comedian and an executive transvestite (versus just a weird one like J. Edgar Hoover).
I realize there have been two accusations, but I’m only going to offer the denial once. Also, if everyone would be willing to just take my word that I don’t plan to be involved in any future “letters” and have decided, much like Everett in Oh Brother, Where Art Thou, to remain “unaffiliated”, this denial will apply to all FUTURE accusations as well.
Have a great day. *shakes head as she walks off*
Ina I was curious when you were questioning the meaning of a “jury of your peers” and checked it out. The Netherlands does not use juries. Interesting.
I’m linking this site for reference for anyone who might be interested. So often you (Ina) ruffle feathers when you question the American judicial system and societal values, etc.. This link discusses the same details about The Netherlands. It looks like no country has the perfect system.
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2006/78830.htm#
Frankie:
If LDB needed to prove her point, there is media video from a couple of weeks back where Mumbles Mason said the very same thing.
When ask “with so many depo’s yet to take, could they finish them all in time?”
His answer was, “Look, if we need more time, we will take it, we will get our depo’s”
Frankie:
To me it really looked like Judge Perry was fed up.
The look on his face, his body tensed, and his eyes glazed, as if to say BOY I hope they do try!!
I know we all want to see him leap over the bench and trash the &#$$ out of them
but I guess we have to accept the little victory’s lol.
Frankie: If I may interject to your assertion on DP. First and foremost Prosecutors seeking DP in murder/homicide cases are contentious based on many variables.
However, to vehemently state DP cases are seldom removed during an active case would be false. Prosecutors are in fact most zealous when seeking the DP, moreover,
in the early stages of a criminal investigation/case [if State is DP] pursue the maximum.
It should be noted as fact Prosecutors simply will use the DP as leverage, additionally have retracted months even years later while awaiting trial.
Perhaps you could address with Mr. Sheaffer, as the research/classroom information available outline contrary data.
In essence, conversely per your DP statement, Florida v Anthony would certainly not be unusual if the DP were to be removed. Right up to the day of trial.
VallHall: Your acknowledgement and retraction is needed here because?
You realize you violated your cardinal rule you profess!
Why continue adding fuel to the fire?
How about posting comments / blog in Just for Chat?
Per many posts that are unrelated here, perhaps the reason so many disappeared.
So while you may disagree and feel obligated to reply, how about some free unsolicited advice…ignore the obvious troll[s]. You have a fine reputation…in blogosphere.
Let the culprit come to your site.
http://www.wftv.com/news/25603413/detail.html the evidence release
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/25605534/detail.html these notes of Casey: are they those of a mother wanting the truth about what happend or an accused wanting a way out?
Or were they some one elses? Can’t find who’s notes they were
Morning friends,
LindaNewYork, yes, I have seen the “Darrin & Charla Mack 48 hours several times, it is one of my favorites for many reasons. imo, I am surprised that he did not recieve the DP, I don’t know that I have seen such a self absorbed murderer, even whining fort 3 hours about himself! The song she “sung at the end,” made me cry, seems she knew he had the potential to murder her any day until he finally did.
I am looking forward to the DOC DUMP today, I read it will contain more of the Anthony’s finances & emails, I HOPE the JC Penny charges are included.
I wonder what Baez is planning to do in his search “for anyone to blame Caylee’s murder on, things look bleak, too bad Baez chose to squander KC’s money instead of doing depositions & investigating, had no plan for a viable defense, was lazy & made bad decisions, NOW, the Defense has a million problems & ONLY 60 hours for a P I to CHASE ANOTHER INNOCENT PERSON OR HARASS!, but by GOD he never missed a photo opt. This defense has been so mis-managed & now appears to be more disconnected than ever, I can’t believe as soon as the Verdict comes down that CA isn’t going to be SCREAMING/BLAMING the defense. imo, they are an embarassment.
Glad to see there is a fresh commentary. As always, on the mark and informative.
Every one of these attorneys jumped on the bandwagon when the media blitz took off. It’s blatantly obvious that there are no high powered, high priced attorneys chomping at the bit to defend any of the truly downtrodden and indigent criminals in Orlando and the surrounding areas. Jose Baez has become high profile due to this case, (note I did not use high powered, he could not fight his way out of a wet paperbag). Caylees horrific grandmother went on her personal media tour to aid and abet the killer of precious, defenseless Caylee. It’s book material, otherwise she would have already been tried, convicted and sentenced.
Anti rumours, I agree with you, Val should not be dragged into this by either side, but anyone looking to come here for support for Dave, should bear in mind what he called the moderator of this blog. Keep it at Sister Blisters or Snoopys Feathers and have the decency to leave this site out of it.
OK, just had to sneek a peek from work.
Cindy’s letter..”Witchy poo from channel 9″ hahahaha. And “Cheney put her in her place”. Yeah, OK Cindy.
She continues to live in a fantasy world where Casey did not kill Caylee, Caylee is alive and they will be together in the springtime(I guess when the defense blows the prosecution evidence out of the water-LOL!) and they will “find” Caylee together. GET THAT WOMAN A STRAIGHTJACKET, PUHLEEZE!
See you all later.
“Witchy Pooh from Ch. 9″, I’d call that High Praise coming from a Harpy like Cindy.
And even the Detective notes that “Cindy and Casey got really close after child missing”…”Casey would wear Caylee’s sunglasses when out on bond” and that he “Feels that Casey has a crush on Baez…She WANTS to spend time with Jose” and that “He would visit 2300 hrs to late hrs”
STRAIGHTJACKET indeed along with a super strong dose of antipsychotics. For the both of them…
Also, Cindy’s mad about Casey’s “lack of privacy” that she’s hoping the public will rise up and protest !!!
Maybe they can join up with all the others outside the Courthouse who are carrying signs demanding that Casey be set free…lol
It’s time to cut the chains on Cindy’s Cuckoo Clock.
So — whose notes were released today?
lol Yo, that is what I would like to know. My guess is from a detective, but could it be a relative? Would the notes that Casey writes down in a courtroom be published? Can this be a police officers notebook?
There are evidence numbers on them, so it must be easy to trace them back. Not for me though.
Ina — so …. no one know?
No one I know lol. The notes are made in third person and I think over a longer period, must be from an investigator. ? But who? Maybe it was a bountyhunter?
The notes have a date Jan 26 this year. I have no clue why they are evidence.
It states on WFTV website “Detective’s Handwritten Notes About Case”. Not every single thing released during discovery will make it into the trial. Not every thing we see is “evidence”.
Time to dive into the dump!
I find it very telling, Casey’s reaction to a body being found on Suburban, considering that when L. Padilla claimed he found “bones” in some water at, where was it? Jay Blanchard Park? She had no reaction whatsoever. If she did not know where her daughter was, why wouldn’t she have reacted then? Why Suburban? Ooh, ooh, I know why-because that is where she put Caylee’s body
Poor, poor Cindy. Still cannot get over the fact that inmates have no right to privacy in jail. “May as well live in a communist country” LOL! She is too funny.
“Don’t let all of the games the State attnys office is playing get to you. In the end they will all have to face up to what they are doing. All their twisting of the truth and purposely leaving out statements or evidence will eventually bite them in the rear. I know that when the trial comes your TEAM will blow all of their theories and lack of evidence up in their faces”
~~ROFLMFAO~~
THIS coming from the QUEEN BEE OF TWISTING THE TRUTH AND PURPOSELY LEAVING OUT STATEMENTS OR EVIDENCE (Caylee’s brush, anyone?????). THE ROYAL FAMILY OF TRUTH TWISTING AND LYING !
Oh no, Cindy you lying, obstructing justice, covering up for a murderer daughter, YOU will have to “face up” to what YOU have done!!! And STOP using G-d’s name in vain!!
“When spring comes and your trial is over we will find her together”…
This statement (like so many Cindy has made) is just “Bat (CENSORED) Crazy”
1) Casey will still be serving time for fraud
2) The trial will not be over “comes spring”
3) Caylee’s dead and cremated, there’s nothing to find
Unless Cindy is talking of finding Caylee in Heaven ? But that would mean that Casey and Cindy would have to die. Is Cindy somehow saying that she wants to die ? And wants to take Casey with her ?
I, myself would have no problem with that, but Cindy, why wait ? You can start searching anytime on your own. And if you don’t know how…Try some Duct Tape.
Any notes that Casey writes in the courtroom comes under attorney/client privilege and the public will never see them.
Doug:
Cindy knows the letters are released, so imo she is trying hard to make herself look more “bat CENSORED Crazy than normal so she may not be put on the stand.
(lol I love your CENSORED)
Things that made me go hummmm in the doc dump.
(1) They were pointing their finger at Kronks son as poss suspect. ( Sparks)
(2) In the Cindy scribbled notepad it noted Casey molested by Lee until she was 15 years old.
(3) in same notepad it shows they knew Casey’s relationship with Jose’ was a bit more than lawyer-client.
(4) it also shows they were getting rid of any evidence they could.
It pointed out that Jose was given letters and he destroyed them.
(5) we also learned that Amy had been threatened, and told to shut up, the phone call traced back to New York
Of note it is interesting that the phone call threatening Amy was traced back to New York as I understand James McIntyre resides there.
I am quite certain that Casey Anthony would not admit her guilt in a note written in a court of law.
As i was reading some things in this new doc dump, i picked on cindy saying she washed the pants in socio’s car, and put them in her room. George states the last time he saw caylee , socio had on a pair of grey slacks.he states the ones cindy washed i believe those grey slacks we have all seen socio wear to court, are the very slacks she killed Caylee in.. i believe cindy gave them to her to wear to court because she is sending socio a message, you can wear the very pants you killed Caylee in to you court hearings..now i understand more fully why socio has totally cut them off..even in jail, her psycho mom, got the last say in the clothing she would wear in court..the ones socio killed Caylee in.
Anti Rumors and Weeds said, on November 2, 2010 at 9:55 am…. ” However, to vehemently state DP cases are seldom removed during an active case would be false.”
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It certainly would be false, so happy that I never said any such thing. I said ” The dp cannot be taken back, BUT, we do have an appeals process that lasts years “…..meaning that when one is put to death, the penalty cannot be reversed. That is why it is imperative that the laws are obeyed and not bandied about by the likes of mumbles and bumbles.
If you insist on being snarky, please first understand what you are reading. Thank you, carry on!
Judy…Hey…hope you are getting some rain!
I would really like to see little chunky cheeks leap over the desk, gavel in hand, and (censored, borrowed from Doug) slap mumbles and bumbles! Oh boy, I am going to have sweet dreams imagining that this close to bed time!!!
Inky: That is a chilling thought. creepy….~~~~~
LOL @ Frankie;
Val are you in the house?
Have you looked at the print evidence reports yet?
If not, please give it a look, there are of course prints in the car, and several they took from random objects like DVD cases, but one spiked my radar and I have this red flag flying at half mast.
It was taken from a container, that was in the house and if I am reading correctly had the Whitney canvas laundry bag stored in it, now have I tried to cram to much info in one day or does that report eliminate both George & Cindy, but not Casey?
Looks like Kronk has someone who also saw something, and in same time frame as Kronk’s first sighting….defense and enablers cannot be too happy about this gal coming forward….and having done so in 08…
See discovery handwritten pages 23286 and 23287…
http://www.cfnews13.com/static/articles/images/documents/Binder23221-23466-1102Part2.pdf
No one noticed that in 2008 there WAS A JUAN GONZALEZ who worked and LIVED at Sawgrass …. and he was originally from NEW YORK ….. ?????
OMG! Is HE the NANNY?
Too funny Linda. Is Juan Gonzalez kind of like being John Smith? Especially in that area?
Some people are going to jump at anything to say that anyone but Casey murdered poor Caylee. If he were a connection to this “purported” ring of invisible, and incidentally I must add smarter than anyone in the whole wide world group of people, after the baby’s remains were found, there is no reason for Miss hot pants to keep a secret. I am more than sure Casey is so wonderful and such a good friend to all (well except maybe her friends and family) that she is happilly sucking it up in jail while they all run around free.
RS……I would think LE would have deposed this Lynn Gibson (maybe they have) and gotten it on the record that she saw the bag, same as Kronk, back on August 9. Seems to me it would end the argument they are purporting that it wasn’t put there until later.
You would think also they would want to further interview her about what else she saw etc. and why she didn’t go in and investigate what was in that bag she saw…………
LindaNY —-maybe … just MAYBE —– A RELATIVE ………….. who can think beyond the box ??????
Betty,
I’m sure there will be more info on her…and deflates the defense rantings for sure
RS said —
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what r u saying??
Think the notes are by the guy from FDLE who interviewed Robyn Adams in prison. He did two sessions with her IIRC first without lawyer second with.
The scribblings totally fit with inmate Adams revelations
The State imo wont touch Adams or Derkovitch with a barge pole. Boith are dodgy and the state’s case is solid. But they had to investigate the circumstances around those Muffin letters.
No doubt Baez at his next whining session will use the 08 stuff to bash the State, but Im sure LDB has merely gutted out any thing found within the Investigator’s files. She’s on safe ground, absolutely nothing exculpatory or likely to be used at trial.
J Perry is imo doing a good job. His PRE-TRIAL ethos seems to be, if you have a complaint about the other side, put it in a motion and there will be a hearing on it. Perry does not need to get into potential ethical arguments that would come under the remit of the Florida Bar. Judges seldom call lawyers out publically. Thats why they have chambers.
The clock is ticking and the Mason/Baez partnership just keep proving what huge bullsh*tters they are. Lets see them try and shovel it at the main event aka the trial.
Hi Yo hola
Trust me, I think outside the box.
A relative of who? There is no Nanny named “Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez” who Casey has known for 2,4 or 6 years depending on which interview you read or who watched Caylee for any amount of time, who kidnapped Caylee and then killed her. There is zero proof of a Nanny. Zero. Zilch. Nada,
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Hi amazed. YES! Just like John Smith.
Haven’t read it ALL yet!
for bloggers that post on hinky? hope one of you would email Val and alert her to the insensitivity on the Zahra link. two or three posters have posted very graphic information about the case…from what i read can one think if the mother or other relatives gets info? i mostly read there ….. extreme, and disturbing. hope one of you alert the blog owner.
Yo Hola! said, on November 3, 2010 at 2:52 pm
LindaNY —-maybe … just MAYBE —– A RELATIVE ………….. who can think beyond the box ??????
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Linda, it all makes sense now, check this out. Wondered where “Haz” has been?
http://i54.tinypic.com/awp3wp.jpg
Juan Gonzalez; is he connected with the case, or was he just living in the appartment building? A he? Maybe he had his sister living in? Hmmm. I had just let go of the Nanny story, thought it must have been a hoax. I don’t think the police would have overlooked this person when they were investigating? The neighbours would have seen Caylee around? And in the notes from the detective (thanks linda, overlooked it!) it says that Casey told some ‘D’ that there was no Zenaida. So I think there was no Zenaida? No nanny at all? She also admitted giving chloroform to her daughter.
According to the notes by the detective she also said she was molested by Dad and Lee. Difficult to tell when she is talking the truth and when not. And what is molest exactly. Without proof, I don’t think it is relavant?
There are emails that are in the published docs where it says not for media publishing, but because of the Sunshine law it is allowed for evidence to be published anyway. Now these documents are not all evidence, still it is okay to publish them? Then maybe they will one day publish the notes Casey wrote to Baez and Lyons as well; then again maybe the lawyers destroyed them right away. That would be a smart move I think. I would like to know what was discussed between them, but I can see the confidentiality is only justified. And they probably would not proof any guilt.
The fact she gave chloroform to Caylee, is that not an offense on its own btw? Has she been charged with that or is that part of the child neglect? I know she was convicted of fraud but not for that. Sorry if this is off topic.
I’m here .. there and everywhere … BTW Ina .. that’s what I was wondering about Juan Gonzalez …. too too interesting re: Sawgrass and timing ….
Ina, you hit the nail in the head when you said:
“Difficult to tell when she is talking the truth and when not. ”
If there was a “Nanny” named Zanny, the Nanny would be sitting in jail awaiting trial for the murder of Caylee. There is no proof whatsoever that there was a Nanny. The police and investigators were unable to find this “Nanny” existed. It is their job to investigate. They investigated and came up with nothing!! There is no “evidence” of a Nanny. Casey is a liar.
As someone mentioned above, Juan Gonzalez is a common name, just like America’s “John Smith” is a very common name.
All documents in a criminal investigation is part of “discovery”.
Gotta go…
Ina: I think you are smart to give up on the Imaginanny. She does not exist. FL has a huge Hispanic population. Gonzales (and appropriate spellings) is a very, very common name, as is Fernandez. I am not sure about Zenaida.
As far as the notes related to chloroform and the molestation, that information came from a fellow criminal, Robyn Adams I think. I doubt it is going to be used in court. Any information gathered by a government employee, unless otherwise protected, is public information and subject to release. That would not apply to notes between casey and her attorneys. Until casey or her attorneys or parents write their respective books, those notes are subject to the attorney client privilege. If casey is convicted, she is prohibited from profiting from her crime, but the others won’t be. They indeed will write books and the correspondence may then be released in those, with consent from casey.
@ LNY….sorry didn’t refresh before posting! LOL
So, Yo, you think LE should investigate Juan Gonzales’ sister, mother, and aunt and drag yet even more innocent people into this fiasco? Seriously? If they investigate every one in Orlando with the last name Gonzales AND THEIR RELATIVES, this case will never come to trial. Even that horrid little troll sitting in jail deserves better than that.
People have a right to live their lives in peace and not have that life interrupted and turned upside down with NO valid reason! casey LIED and no one else should suffer because she chose to murder her daughter and fabricate ridiculous stories. There is NO indication this guy had anything to do with this.
frankie — we all have opinions…. and right now…that’s alll we have —-
can’t we all be civil?
Uhh…no actually, we do have facts available to us, from which we draw conclusions. Conclusions deduced from known facts are significantly different than opinions.
You can lobby against negative opinions all you wish, but opinions are beliefs and each person will form his own. My discussion with Ina was conclusions based on the information that I have.
My conclusions, based on the facts that have been discovered, is that casey is promiscuous, irresponsible and self serving. She is a convicted thief and a proven liar. The facts before us strongly indicate a conclusion of her murdering her daughter is most likely valid and should be proven in a court of law.
My opinion is that she is a low life POS that deserves the DP or LWOP.
BTW…I am always civil, the anthonys are lacking in that respect. And that is MY OPINION!
frankie said, on November 4, 2010 at 10:41 am :
“My conclusions, based on the facts that have been discovered, is that casey is promiscuous, irresponsible and self serving. She is a convicted thief and a proven liar…”
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You know what — I probably agree with that characterization — but — all the facts convicting her of murder are yet to come. And, really, that is not just an opinioin, it is a fact.
frankie …. I have said this over and over and over again……. I cannot say that Casey did NOT kill her child … never said she, Casey was innocent. I have always maintained ….. I do not know nor do I/we know all the facts. She may be all that was listed previously liar, promiscuous, dishonest, and on and on … but .. a murderer … don’t know!
Good morning LNY,
No problem, accepted nuff said.
Just reread Mr. Sheaffer’s comment above and I must say that I disagree with him about LKB. Her performance in the Spector trial was dismal at best. She was disheveled and bored the hell out of that jury. The mistrial was not her doing but the hardheadedness of Juror 10 whose mind was made up before he stepped into the Jury Box. It had nothing to do with the forensics but his feeling that since his mother in law was a snoop, that possibly Lana was doing the same thing when she supposedly found the gun and killed herself. Hogwash. I really believe she left because she didn’t want to be on the losing side of another high profile case. Same with Andrea Lyon.
That being said, with some of the comments I read here and other places, the same thing could happen in Casey Anthony’s case. Just one who will hang their hat on “no forensic evidence tying Casey to the murder” could derail the trial. Voir dier is going to be critical and very difficult imo.
I was disappointed in Judge Perry last hearing. I thought he should have put the hammer down a lot harder on Mason and Baez. Maybe he is giving them enough rope to hang themselves though. One can only hope.
@terrytsk said, on November 4, 2010 at 6:52 pm
Exactly!!! Well said.
You got a good point there, whoops! Some juror could absolutely hang their hat on just about anything. Although that happened in the Spector trial, he was convicted the second go-round and he is where he should be.
Whoops! said, on November 5, 2010 at 8:10 am =======
firstly …. I didn’t just “arrive” … have been at this blog since it’s inception…… I am interested in your recent post regarding Linda Baden…. my thoughts are/were that she was spectacular in the Spector case ..and she is a dynamite, bright attorney. And, do you really think Judge Perry is so unethical that he would tip the case to — in your words: “Maybe he is giving them enough rope to hang themselves though. One can only hope.”
My sense is that he, Perry and all should be equitable to both sides.
Once again Hazaka, you twist my words for your own purpose. When talking about the judge, I meant that maybe he was going to take over the scheduling and prove to Baez and Mason who is in control. I said nothing about him being unethical “your words’ not mine.
As far as LKB is concerned, maybe you should do some reading about her as well as her husband Dr. Michael Baden. They are not as revered as you might want to believe. If LKB is such a dynamite attorney, why didn’t they ask her back for Spector II? It is well known that she made a fool of herself in Spector I as well as her husband who with his education didn’t know what the meaning of “conflict of interest” was. If you followed that case, you would have seen that not only the media but most bloggers were astounded that he didn’t know what that was. Oh, and by the way didn’t you think it a bit strange that LKB conveniently got sick for the two weeks that Dr. Baden testified and couldn’t attend the trial?
Last but not least, I never intimated that Judge Perry is in any way NOT equitable to both sides. My point is that if anything, I think he has given the Defense way too much latitude and should slap them down and get this thing on the road.
Consummatum est – It is finished
Brevior saltare cum deformibus viris est vita – Life is too short to dance with ugly men
Whoops! said ————- actually, I did what YOU suggest… use the words provided and come to a concluion … if in fact, Judge Perry as you stated may “…them enough rope to hang themselves though.” THAT IMO would be unethical!
I DID follow the Spector case quite thoroughly — and Linda Baden AND Dr. Baden were exceptional.
Finito La Comedia ………
getreal ———— agreed!
Whoops,I agree with your statement about LK Baden’s performance in the Spector Case. I too was bored to tears with her monotone voice. There was one hold out in the Spector Trial, Alan Jackson said the “man was an engineer & short of seeing it happen, he wouldn’t vote to convict.” Spector lucked out the first go round, NOT because of the Baden’s, but because the Prosecution didn’t anticipate that the engineer wouldn’t understand “beyond a reasonable doubt” meant. It was corrected in the second trial.
LNY is correct, the scumbag pistol waving runt is just where he belongs. As his son said, “If you wave a pistol around enough times it will go off.” That case certainly OUTED Dr. Henry Lee “for what he is willing to do for a buck.”
It will be interesting to see the “evidence allowed in” debated in front of Judge P. Hornsby said “IF the Judge doesn’t allow the statement of KC falling to the chairl, hyperventilating saying over & over OH NO when she saw the TV reporting Caylee’s remains had been found, it will be the closest thing to a confession from KC.”
Hazaka, if you are around, we can discuss anything you like. If not, that’s cool too.
Sorry all, good, bad, or indifferent, I take responsibility only for my own opinions or remarks they may sound like we think alike, but I don’t stretch my thoughts beyond
myself. I never expect anyone to agree, disagree. Ohhhhhh, that sounds like ……….
so and so. Nope! Only 6 months until the set trial date, the holidays will keep minds busy for some of that time. Everyone is more than two years older than when it all started. We have all been yapping at each other for all that time. chasing facts, clues, lies, deceit, hypocrisies, friends, enemies and our tails. When trial starts, it will start again from the beginning and it will not be about any of us. The murder of one small child will stir hearts again. Not you, me, he, she, they, them, us or any of our thoughts will supersede what the attorneys will present and what the jury will determine.
Ted, I don’t know you but that does not matter. You are a very wise, intelligent and eloquent speaker… You have put us all in our place and I admire that thank you for summing it up. you are 100 per cent correct on all points…
Hey …. was out today for a bit — first time since my surgery on monday…. interesting to read the posts….
Hazaka, what do you think of Teds post. I agree with him totally.
getreal ———— I very much agree with Ted’s post!
Yay, Thank you Craig for removing all the stupidness, especially from me!
Hi art tart. Yeah, I found that very telling the way Casey reacted to a body being found on Suburban but not when . Padilla claimed he found bones at Jay Blanchard Par/Little Econ River? Interesting that Hornsby finds that tatamount to a confession. I guess it will remain to be seen what will be argued to be allowed in as evidence at trial. Like most defense attorney they will want everything thrown out and given the key to let their client out of jail. Nothing new there!!
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Yo hola! we may not always agree, but I wish you a speedy recovery from your surgery !!
Hazaka, Ted, thank you. Craig, thank you most of all for cleaning up this mess. No one likes the arguing and snarky remarks. I just believe that facts are not argueable and opinions are quite argueable. Now, that is JMO. For what it’s worth, and probably not much to anyone but me.
I guess I am looking for a blog that allows for an exchange of ideas and opinions without anyone saing I don’t know the facts. I know the facts as well as most and am not out to change said facts. Speculation is another thing that runs absolutely rampant on the blogs. To the point of absurdity. That is not for me either.If given enough time, most people can explain their thought or idea but some do not type as fast as others and some of us may have to leave our computers and come back too them later. By then, maybe there is no chance to explain. The blog has moved on.
getreal, here ya go…http://topics.cnn.com/topics/casey_anthony
Well said, Ted
IMO, blogs have changed over the last few years, the Wurdpress blogs anyway. the murder of Caylee is the reason most of them started up. They were serious, looking for facts and maybe some clue as too why a mother would wait 31 days to report her child “missing”. That was the grabber. as time went on and on without anything beyng resolved then “parodies” were born.. Then, “scenarios” and to some, the sillier the better. Then “analysis” blogs, and copycat analysis blogs and “conspiracy theory” blogs, and “Casey is innocent” blogs and “Anthony hating ” blogs. And on and on. Then there is varying mixtures of all of the above. The only person who is refered by their name in this sad and serious case anymore is precious Caylee. Seems to me, SHE deserves better. We don’t have to love her family, but she loved them. If we have too refer to them in our posts, why can we not dall them Cindy, George, Lee, Mallory. The DT. is Jose, Mason, Finnell and Sims. The blogger names sound like they are being spoken by 12 or 13 tear old cyberbullies. IMO.
Opinions are just that, one persons thought’s, idea’s, theories’ as to what may have happened.
Each person takes the broken pieces of the puzzle and depending on their understanding arrive at an opinion.
Why some feel the need to log in and go into attack mode is beyond me, you may disagree, you may not like someone, but how does making snarky post and disrupting a blog resolve any issues?
If I find a poster I do not like, I simply do not respond to their message.
What we all may take into consideration is the people that are in control of the blog are giving their time to each who visit the site, and for them to have to police the blog, spend hours removing post is not only showing a lack of respect, but a lack of appreciation as well, they do not have to build a site, they do so as a service.
So perhaps next time people come to play, they might consider how they would feel had they taken the time to offer people a free space to speak and each time they come to see the progress they are buried in foolery.
I assure you speaking as a blog owner it gets pretty tiring, those of you that do run blogs know the time it takes to keep them running smoothly.
getreal said, ———– again ….. I agree …. you pointed out something that has bothered me all along…… NOT referring to people by their NAMES, rather by childish monikers…. thanks….
yeah names like Witchy pooh, or maggot, is that what the hypocrites are stirred up over…
gosh, I ‘d just ignore that sort of thing and if I could not look beyond it when reading a post…
I’d just skip past those i know are likely to use such terms…
I sure would not chronically post about what pet names people use.
RS ——————- huh???
sunset said, on October 30, 2010 at 3:05 pm
ok, I’m so very very lost. I thougt Dave Knechel, aka Marinade Dave was on Caylee’s side. Is this same marinade dave that was the topic of discussion when judge strickland recused himself, because the defense was claiming Marinade Dave was pro death for Casey. But I’ve seen bloggers here & other sites, who also are on Caylee’s side, but don’t like Dave. ???? This is where I get lost. If the bloggers are on Caylee’s side, why don’t they like Dave, who I thought was also on Caylee’s side. What am I missing?
Sunset – If you read Dave’s blog you will find he is very fair in his reporting. I think he does an excellent job and does not try to spin the facts. Why there are bashers of Dave I do not understand. If they read his blog they would see his recounts are excellent. It appears to have started with Strickland’s recusal but what’s wild about that is the motion that Baez wrote to have that whole process started gave a very wrong portrayal of Dave’s actual blog writing. Many people loved Judge Strickland but I think he was a little too lenient and kind in his handling of the court. Judge Perry is a “get ‘er done kind of guy” and it was exactly what the case needed imo.
You know if I wanted to hear about another blog I would go to their site to read. I came here to read about the case, not another blogger yet 31 times his name appears at this site. He has a blog please go there to discuss him and let those of us that are interested in the case do so with out this outrageous nonsense.
Thank You
BJ said, on November 6, 2010 at 1:01 pm —————
I very much agree with you ….. what does Dave have to do with this blog –maintained by a legal expert……
“A Dave Fan” – The problems with Dave started long before the Judge Strickland recusal. Dave’s blog is inherently dishonest because it’s purpose is to make him $$ and serve as a jumping off point for a book he plans on writing once the case is over. However, he does not state this outright, he tries to conceal his motives. Therefore, Dave is not on Caylee’s side, Dave is on Dave’s side (to answer Sunset’s question). In his “writing”, he speculates wildly, reports “facts” incorrectly causing misinformation to be disseminated about the case, does not correct misinformation he publishes once it has been brought to his attention, he plagiarizes other websites and news sources and publishes the information as his own, he pursues personal vendettas on his blog (which is a very public forum with an audience of readers) but does not allow those that are his victims to post there to defend themselves, he takes video of Caylee’s resting place (REPEATEDLY – 9 videos currently posted of his trips to Suburban drive) and points out to the viewers where her skull was found and where her bones were “dragged off by animals” (his words, not mine), and he searches out witnesses and other people involved in the case and conducts sketchy interviews with them. Except, Dave doesn’t know how to interview or do proper research and his “interviews” and investigative work often end up in incorrect information being published on his blog and disseminated to gullible people like you. You see? These are all major problems with Dave’s blog and none of them have anything to do with Strickland.
I, too, am tired of people bringing up Dave’s name in silly attempts to defend him. The topic of this Schaeffer blog post is “Quitters, Opportunists, and Laggards” and Dave is an opportunist with a capital O. It’s not inappropriate to discuss opportunists on this blog entry, as there appear to be MANY that have attached themselves to this case (as others have to past high profile cases). Bloggers who are unethical and irresponsible in their writing on this case, who search out “interviews” with witnesses, who plagiarize, and repeatedly publish speculation and factually incorrect information ARE a serious problem. I tire of seeing his name, too, believe me. But it’s also tiring to watch opportunisitic vultures insert themselves into the course of the case and have people whining on blogs about how they don’t want to discuss them anymore. You SHOULD want to discuss it. You SHOULD care.
I’m not here to further a back and forth attack session about Dave’s blog. Some people just want to call names and attack, and I’m not interested in that and I know most of you are not, either. I apologize in advance if my comment brings some of the loonies out. Some people are not capable of having a discussion without childish attacks.
50 weeks ago Marinade Dave on THANK YOU ALL WHO VOTED Thank you, Fostermom2. Even if I don’t win the overall prize, what publicity the commenters brought me from the Sheaffer blog cannot be replaced. I made it a point to fuel them a little, and it only took a drop. Delicate and fragile egos must be cared for, caressed, nurtured and nourished. I did my best and I shall continue to do so. I want them to stick around for a long time.
This type of ego behavior is why people are angry with him.
WHY IS THERE A DISCUSSION ABOUT ANOTHER BLOG HERE???
Hazaka- I just explained why I addressed it and why bloggers who are irresponsible in writing about this case SHOULD be addressed. Is your name Craig? I didn’t think so, please stop trying to moderate discussion.
Wanda ——okey dokey ….
And — sorry — Wanda — it got away from me…. so…. r u Craig?????
With all due respect I have to disagree with Mr. Sheaffer about the Spector mistrial… Linda Baden did NOT win a mistrial, it was a juror that was Spector’s neighbor that hung the jury. I watched the whole trial, Baden’s forensic presentation was adequate but did not sway the jurors. The neighbor refused to accept anything put forth by prosecutors during deliberations according to other jurors.
samantha why do you think Baden left the Anthony case? I thought perhaps each attorney had a different direction they were headed in.
I’ve never heard that the guy who was the hold out on the Specter trial jury was a neighbor of Specter. I assumed he would’ve been weeded out during jury selection. Unless he lived in his neighborhood, but didn’t know him? Funny, I just watched “The Runaway Jury” the other day. I vaguely remember seeing it years ago, but I looked at it with fresh eyes this time around.
I agree Ted’s comment was excellent and spoken like a true mediator who is being impartial and not taking sides. Just diplomatically pointing out how immature some of us (I know me too) are behaving, then reminding us that an Innocent’s life was taken.
This case will eventually go to trial and our opinions and feelings will mean squat. In the mean time, over the next 6 months we’ll be busy with life and time will fly by like it always does, once you’ve reached the age of 30 anyways, and the trial will begin.
I think that most of us have always been horrified when we’ve heard about the abuse, neglect, torture or murder of an innocent child. Prior to the internet, we’d read about these tragedies in the paper and that would be the end of it for us until we read an update, if one was even written.
These days we can go on-line and follow a case from start to finish. We can converse back and forth and express our outrage. I think it’s a good thing. We are the voice for innocent victims who didn’t deserve to be abused, neglected, tortured or murdered. God bless the innocent little children.
Just in case there was any misunderstanding about what I was referring to about childish name calling on the blogs I do mean that bloggers have names for the Anthony family and the defense team,etc. RS, it is very hard to take commenters seriously when up pop names like WF {Casey} Spindy, George Marie, Tubesocks, Mumbles Mason, Bumbles, or Boso Baez. Skip over them you say? IT”S IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL OVER ALL THE BLOGS. iT STARTED WITH ONE AND SPREAD LIKE WILDFIRE. I will say again that nothing about this is fodder for humor. I have seen some of the most arrogant,judgemental and mean spirited people on this blog and others and I would love for it to stop. I am not a moderator so I can do nothing but express my Opinion. I also get the impression that all of you have had just perfect pain and trouble free lives. I, like some here would love to just read what Bill S. says and not have a qurstion section. Mr. S is much too busy to answer anyway. That, my friends, opens the door for mayhem. JMO
Thank you Mr Sheaffer, it is good hearing form you again.
IMO: Casey has told the truth to Baez and maybe Lee. Therefore my explanation of a quitter is those that are expected to defend a client against strong evidence while not being compensated for their time and work. A opportunist and laggard is the same person that wants the notoriety of the high profile case, no matter if the client is guilty or not.
evening friends,
BJ: I AGREE! This is NOT A BLOG ABOUT MARINADE DAVE! Why people continue to drag him over here is tiresome & I just ignore ALL comments pertaining to him.
samantha, Allen Jackson said the lone hold out too didn’t understand “beyond reasonable doubt.” Allen Jackson polled the jurors after it was over & he said UNLESS the juror had seen Spector do it, he wouldn’t convict. I agree too, the Baden’s “had nothing to do with the mistrial, the juror should have been caught during Voir Dire.
terrytsk, I watched the Runaway Jury also & it was very entertaining, my friends that are attorney’s say the BIG Company’s with a lot to lose, especially in a class action suit, play all kinds of games. I think we are going to see some interesting Court Hearings once the “evidence is argued in KC’s case.”
Tonight I watched the Sorronto Murder’s again, with C Mason boasting that he bet a Million Dollars that no one could travel the distance, murder 4 people, & then make it back to his hotel room. A peep at Hinky’s said that “a college student did in fact make the trip in the alloted time but Mason wouldn’t honor the Million Dollar Bet. Mr. Sorronto is on death row in Fla. now.
Seems running off at the mouth didn’t teach Mason a thing since he continues to do so about “a lot he doesn’t know about.”
Does anyone think Baez will have any problems replacing LK Baden? Seems like trying to get an attorney to come on board & pay her own travel, lodging, etc., is not going to be easy to do. Baez should NOT have wasted KC’s money filing all those failed Motions for 2 yrs. jmo.
Well getreal and cheryl ohio, I don’t understand what either of you are trying to say here. What’s your point? It doesn’t matter, carry on. This trial will happen in May 2011.
Apparently the young law student who easily accomplished what Mason said was impossible in the Serenno case dropped it because he was busy (pretty important sitting for the state law exam kind of thing), but he has since renewed his lawsuit.
Mr. Cheney Mason, I mean Mr. Cheney Mason, said this young kid was full of cr@p and stands by his claims that nobody in the whole world could have made that trip in the time identified. IMO, whoops! Mr. Cheny Mason messed up and now Mr. Nelson Serrano is sitting on death row. It appears that the jury believed it. I don’t think that Mr. Cheney Mason is really the Mr. Perry Mason that Mr. Jose Baez tried to sell during one of his, “I arranged a “Dream Team” for the accused “tot-mom” murderer infomercials”. A a matter of fact I believe most of that highly acclaimed “dream team” are gone kapoot. Whos is left?
terrytsk, I have said that the trial will happen in May 2011 and nothing we bloggers can do about it. As for you not understanding what I was trying to say, well, I don’t know how to make it any plainer. However, feel free to “skip overf” or “ignore” me. I am not out to argue. As I said back up thread, which was probably deleted, what I have said is my opinion of what I see on lots of blogs that started because of the tragedy of Caylee.
terrytsk, COOL! I didn’t know that, I hope he is successful.
I agree, it seems the “Scream Team has evaporated!” LK Baden & Lyon’s were both good but I don’t blame them, I don’t believe that either left because of money, I believe they both realize that KC is guilty & Mr. Sheaffer said KC’s case will be “attached to the participating defense for the next 20 yrs.” Baden & Lyon’s, imo, BOTH want to write book & SELL books, ALL the positive publicity imo, is over, all we hear is more “miserable mishaps the Defense continues to make.” It continues to be unprofessional & embarrassing. jmo.
This is for anyone that cares. The issues are not about blogging or name calling. It is about one BLOGGER inserting themselves in a MURDER CASE! Write all you want, go to any forum or blog and name call all you want. It doesn’t matter. What matters is what some BLOGGERS want to do. INSERT THEMSELVES IN A MURDER CASE TO BRING HITS TO THEIR BLOG!! MURT did it, Dave is now doing it now. Bill Scheaffer doesn’t do it and everyone who follows along knows it. Blogging and name calling here, or on any forum, doesn’t matter. What matters is inserting yourself in the case. MD, Joy Wray, Melissa whoever, Joe Jordan, etc. etc…there is a difference. I can use any words I want here or there, but I don’t interfere in a criminal indictment. But we know who does. ’nuff said!
“terrytsk, I have said that the trial will happen in May 2011 and nothing we bloggers can do about it.”
Getreal I’ve been frustrated with you for many reasons. It breaks my heart when an innocent child is hurt. We are following this case because 2 year old Caylee Marie Anthony was abused and neglected and noone ever even reported she was missing before her bones were finally discovered, proving that an innocent healthy child is dead for no reason.
If you want to spend your life explaining how this mother is not responsible for her child’s death, then go for it. Good luck to you.
terrytsk, I agree with your comment, I am sick to death that the focus has been taken off the ONLY VICTIM, Caylee Marie Anthony!
KC isn’t a Victim, KC MAKES VICTIM’S! The public is “demanding JUSTICE for Caylee because the Anthony’s care more about their “murdering daughter, than their innocent grand daughter.” jmo.
We have seen the Defense pose for Photo Opts, even mentioned in Ashton’s Motion about Baez & Teammaking fools of themselves at the remains site, we have watched both grand parent’s quit their jobs to bilk Caylee’s Murder for every dime they can get selling her memories, we have seen KC’s miserable lying family spew propaganda at every opportunity! We have seen Baez call a “news conference for no other reason except that he wanted to talk about being Hispanic.” WHAT AN IDIOT~! He certainly DOESN’T want to discuss WHY HE WAS DENIED A LICENSE TO PRACTICE LAW FOR EIGHT YEARS! Eight Years is a long time to work as a grunt because of your moral & ethical values. The Defense & Family make me sick, I am so thankful that the State/Pleasa’s/Blogger’s/Public are demanding the JUSTICE Caylee deserves. She will get exactly that, imo.
“I am not for or against any particular blog.. just blogs in general.”
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Then why do you bring your smug arrogant self serving bullshit here. I see you have the same attitude on the other blogs you visit. And yes, I will be happy to ignore you from now on.
Wondering as I read the above comments that maybe this is off topic ,
but I think it is interesting to know:
If Mr Baez is to quit this case and Casey has told him the truth and she has told him she did it, will he be allowed to say so, to the Judge, the State or the prosecution, or is he to keep it to himself for ever?
Or can he say what he knows the day he is no lawyer anymore? Could he even become a witness in this case if he stopped his lawyering profession?
Morning Ina —- whatever Casey has told her attorney, Baez or whomever, is shielded by the lawyer/client privlege….. therefore — unless peculiar circumstances occur… no, he can not be called as a witnes to his former client.
Ina, Baez will be on KC’s case until the end. He is “not allowed to quit” due to a change in a present law in Fla. that took effect in July 2010 I think, that a lawyer that was “privately retained cannot QUIT a case when the money ran out & they were indigent. Baez waited too late, he would have had to leave before then. Other’s may leave IF Judge Perry allows them to, but the Team must have at least one DP Attorney. Baden & Lyon’s were both PRO Bono so the law didn’t pertain to them.
I wonder if C Mason will leave, Finnell is a DP Qualified Attorney also, seems Baez did little work before Mason joined & as Hornsby said, there is a lot of hard work that has to be done. Mason seems to be helping Baez get that work done & Mason has many client’s sitting on Death Row. Mason said he thought it would be “fun to work on the case” but due to the fool he repeatedly makes of himself when he “mis-speaks because he still doesn’t know all the facts in the case & his temper, he comes off as a loose cannon.” imo, he should have retired instead of having this case “taint his career as he once shared a decent reputation, now his judgement is questioned by his peers.” jmo.
“terrytsk, Caylee was reported after “missing” for 31 days but probably before she was bones”.
Experts say that a 2, almost 3, year old toddler would be reduced to bones when tossed out in the hot, humid environment of a Florida swamp within 2 – 3 weeks. We have evidence that small animals ripped her decomposing body apart and spread sections of her body around as they fed on her (which is what happened). This would IMO, speed up the process. In my semi-educated opinion, Baby Caylee’s corpse was reduced to bone before her grandmother reported her “missing”.
A fond farewell to a once good blog.
Good bye and Good Luck Mr. Sheaffer & Craig
Sorry for the broken link.
Whoops! are you leaving … or is the blog closing?
http://daveknechelsucks.wordpress.com/2010/09/21/a-letter-to-wftv-from-dave-knechel/
If the blog closes, this is who made it happen.
Well I do not think the blog is clsoing by the hand of Craig or Mr. Scheaffer.
I see the point Whoops! is making. LOL!
And I agree Mindblogging, those who come to this or any other blog and bring sup the whole MD thing does not help and neither do those that come to any blog and do what happened last week. (And I will not mention names-but Craig did delete all those comments-I was even stupid enought to take the bait and banter with those types. I need to ignore a lot more often than I do).
With that said, I was here over the weekend and wrote a whole big comment, hit submit and….I never put in my name an e-mail address and poof! it was gone-LOL!
Personally, sometimes I step back a little from all this defense baloney and don’t even want to think about Casey Anthony. And sometimes there is a lull in in this case, even with the last doc dump.
So, I was just reading around…and when I was at Hinky Meter I saw that Vahhall put a post saying she had updated her “timeline”, from the doc dump to include Casey cashing checks and paying her phone bill with Cindy’s money!!!
Here’s what I observed and found interesting, and commented at Hinkey Meter, in reference to Ciindy’s bank statements being released:
I am sure Cindy will say, and has said, that she gave Casey permission to use her account and checks and forge her name, in another “cover-up” of Casey. (And I wonder if Cindy kept that from George-he already had his (correct) suspicions that Casey was not working)
I was trying to see the sequence of the check numbers, and it looks like Cindy’s seem go in order and Casey’s are a higher number sequence and some skipped check numbers. For example in Feb 2008, Cindy writes a check to Brighhouse dated 2/21 CK# 2655 and Casey writes on to Target on 2/28 CK# 4608. What a brat! And what would/does a bank think of a forged name? In the last 2 weeks of my mother’s life, I paid a couple of bills from her checking and I “forged” her name. But I was paying her bills…
And what is that other account, “Florida Nurses Association” with the credit line?
Anyone want to hear what else I feel like talking about? LOL!
This blog is not dead. Unless I start talking to my self, then I will say to myself, “ok, it’s dead”.
BTW, Whoops. Listened to the music while writing some of above!!
LNY, I am looking at those check numbers, it appears that a whole pad of checks may have been in Casey’s hands. My checks come in hundreds, like 2000 to 2999 in one pad
3000 to 3999 another. Just looking at your post and not knowing any more about it do you think Cindy gave Casey a group of checks or maybe Casey helped herself to it. Go ahead and post, I’ll read it, may not get it, but I’ll read it. lol
This blog is not dead any more than any other. It is just a lag in time, waiting for the trial.
Ok, so here’s what else I wanted to “talk” about or acutally it is somehting interesting I heard on InSession today.
Art tart will arppeciate this. Hi art tart!
So, the guy who killed the Petit family in CT (home invasion) got the Death Penalty today and it is well deserved:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/11/08/2010-11-08_steven_hayes_gets_death_penalty_sentence_for_horrific_murder_of_petit_family_in_.html?r=news/nationalgot the DP! Which is well deserved.
While watching InSession they were discussing why it took so long to come to the verdict of the DP and Mike Brooks, the morning host of InSession and a defense attorney (the one who used to be -or still could be- on the Nancy Grace Show) were saying that basically it is a “good” thing the jury did not come back in just 10 minutes with the DP. They did the right, responsible thing and looked at all the aggravating factors to each of the counts for each of the individuals who were murdered (murdered while, kidnapped; raped) and the mitigating factors as all juries should do while considering the DP.
So I thought of the Casey Anthony case and would think the jury would take their time and take into consideration the aggravating factors and any mitigating factors before sentencing her to LWOP or the DP.
I believe all jurors take their job seriously and do not, even in the heinous of crimes, flippantly dole out a death senetence.
Also another thing they mentioned on InSession that I found interesting was that they discussed how in the case of the Petit murders, the guy would go through many appeals up to the federal level (I forget why “federal” plays into this) and that in CT it takes an average of 11 years to be put to death, in California the average is 20 years BUT in TX, AL and FLORIDA “they” move much quicker.
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OK, thats all that is on my mind right now! LOL! (I’m sure whoever is reading is sick of me by now!!!!!!)
I don’t want this blog to die. Whoops can you find any “happy”, “we’re here to stay music” ?????
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Oh, also, (nope-not done yet) they also discussed on InSession that the other guy involved in the murder of this family, who goes to trial nexr…wouldn’t he, after seeing his buddy get the DP PLEAD and take multiple LWOP’s. And they said the State of Conncecticut declined that “plead of guilty without the possibity of parole”.
So, if Casey would want to plead guilty without the possibility of parole, all of a sudden, I believe the State of Florida would turn her down flat out!
Hi New Puppy! Yay, someone is here! We are alive!
I see what you are saying about Cindy maybe giving Casey the next “pad” of checks. Maybe. But I don’t know…While nothing with this family shocks me, why would Cindy give her “free reign” with her checking account. Cindy “worked” for her money. How many of you mothers out there do this with your 22 year old daughter? It seems crazy that she would!
LNY,
I had to look up that song because it was the song that was played by Abby at the end of Kate’s funeral on NCIS. Hope this link works.
Kate’s Funeral
I’m crazy LNY, I’ve given a few. whew! Got lucky, I guess. lol
LindaNewYork said, on November 8, 2010 at 3:09 pm
“I don’t want this blog to die.”
Me Neither
Ooops wrong link.
Me Neither
Whoops! Thanks for the laugh!
New Puppy…LOL!
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And speaking of Casey Anthony….Nature or nurture? I think she born a narcisisstic sociopath and Cindy nurtured it!!!!!
Well, I did like the Oscar Meyer song, Whoops.
Now I get the “Me Neither” !!! That was a happy song!
LNY,
Dave said: I have plenty of problems on my plate because I was raped and tortured over there at Bill Sheaffer’s blog, in absentia.
THAT IS THE FUNNIEST THING I’VE READ YET ABOUT THAT – - – - -. raped and tortured. He’s broken inside his head.
LindaNewYork ———It’s been a number of days …………… but —yes, we d onot agree (but we’re lancemen — you dont’ quite get it .. no problem) …..BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOOD WISHES RE: MY SURGERY — DOINT BETTER ..WILL TAKE TIME …. btw.. did you have snow flurries today?
Yes, some snow flurries this morning. I was liek WTH?! Already! Husband works in Newburgh-real snow up there!
Linda,
The bank must be one that is a wee bit on the loose side.
Mine would catch the large number gap and call to say “we noticed a skipped book” that is a very telling sign that someone is up to no good.
Looks like Casey picked a book of checks in the middle of the box, so when Cindy went to get another book out she would not notice the number gap.
I think the Florida Nurse’s Association may be Cindy’s credit union, it may be where her 401K funds were held.
YIKES!!! on the snow flurries…. KEEP those to yourself please, no sharing!!!
J.C.
:Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle:
judypc … great that your bank would suspect that someone is up to no good, regarding the skipped check numbers —– for YEARS I have no used consecutive numbers on any of my accounts…. it has never mattered ….never a question … never from any bank or bank account. I just take the check that I can … mark it in the registry, see it on line and consolidate it….. check numbers out of sequence…. nothing ….
The one thing I found sad in this doc dump was, the release of Shirley P’s financial records.
I wish they could have withheld that from the public eye. I fear it opens her up to crooks.
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“Don’t compare your life to others’. You have no idea what their journey is all about”
Don’t compare your life to others’. You have no idea what their journey is all about”
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Hazaka:
In this digital age I rarely use checks any more, but must say I am glad my bank goes the extra mile so to speak and red flags things that seem out of the ordinary, they will even call when a check is written in a higher dollar amount than normal.
We gave one of our kids 5000.00 and he had to wait while they called to confirm, same thing when we had some landscaping work done.
Shoot, they even called and spoke to my husband once when I was in the bank withdrawing a large amount of cash, at first I felt somewhat annoyed, but then thought hey this is not a bad thing, they are protecting us.
I just hope they continue to raise those flags…..
I agree that inconsistancies should raise red flags … but in my experience…. check numbers out of sequence never did …. and I am using the past tense since it is rare that I write a physical check these days —-
LNY: Blog not dead! I still lurk as time permits. I don’t comment however, if the discussion is only about other blogs or bloggers. Or at least, I try to refrain…..LOL. But I am still here, just busy.
Judypc…..I appreciate that sort of diligence. We were checking into a hotel out of state once, got checked in, went about our business and went back to the hotel only to find our key didn’t work. When we went to the front desk to find out WTH was going on, we had to call the credit card company and verify that we were traveling because of the unusual charges! It was a bit of a hassle, but I was pretty impressed that they noticed and tried to protect me! I have also had a call from the credit card company when they noticed unusual activity on a company fuel card. Seems the employee was filling up vehicles at the gas station, getting cash from the people and spending it on drugs. Not only did the credit card company protect the company from further loss, they also helped save a young man from himself. IMO
Thanks Art tart, Hazaka, bit late but thank you for explaining. So the law changed and Baez can’t quit now. It always takes a long time to change a law, was it changed because of this case, or because it is a big problem in general?
Will many lawyers be disencouraged to take on a case now?
This check thing: do they still use that a lot in the US?
Casey must have known she would be found out; she didn’t really have a plan, did she?
Judypc: Yup…LNY needs to keep that white stuff up there….she has already shared this cold breeze! LOL
Hey Frankie:
If Linda shares any more of that crap I say we get us a good old fashion southern lynch mob formed and go string her up!!
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“One day your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure its worth watching.”
Ina, yes checks are still used, but most use their debit cards.
And no, Casey was not a thinker for sure, now what remains to be seen is will Cindy say she allowed Casey the use of the check book, but this still shows Casey did not have money of her own, thereby she could not afford a nanny, other than the imaginary kind that is, which I feel is what the State is endeavoring to prove.
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“Decorate yourself from the inside out”
Judypc
“…Shirley P’s financial records…open her up to crooks”
To late, Casey’s been there, done that…
Hey, hey, now wait a minute there, judypc and frankie! I don’t like this weather either! LOL! It’s too early! It seems like I just turned the AC off and now have the heat going all day!
Doug, that was a good one!
Doug:
Okay, ya got me on that one, how about “other or more crooks” lol.
“…So the law changed and Baez can’t quit now..”
Yes. They are stuck together until death to them part.
Cool, thanks Craig, it looks like you are cleaning up as fast as it comes in!
Texsun said, on November 9, 2010 at 4:47 pm
Til death do them part….Absolutely!
Sure am. You can always email me at craig.mazer@wftv.com to share any issues you’re seeing.
Thanks Craig!
Glad I was out most of the day …. missed whatever Craig had to clean up!
FANTASTIC NEWS FOR THE PROSECUTION!
MONTE CARLO E-MAIL SHOWS CASEY PROSECUTIONS STRATEGY!
Monte Carlo E-Prosecutors Claim Casey Anthony Knocked Out, Killed Daughter!!
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Former prosecutor Jeff Deen believes that discovery is central to the theory that Anthony smothered her daughter.
“It’s a huge finding in the case,” he said. “That has a lot to do with premeditation to commit murder or commit another felony, and that is a big, big, big piece of evidence.”
Bluestar is a product that identifies blood stains. It can identify stains even after an area is cleaned and blood may not appear to the naked eye.
WHEN WILL CHENEY MASON SHUT HIS F-ING MOUTH? (SNIPPET)
One of Anthony’s defense attorneys, Cheney Mason, has told WESH 2 News numerous times that the state cannot prove Caylee Anthony was murdered, let alone that her death was premeditated
http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/25683818/detail.html
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The Bluestar e-mail eliminates the defense theory that investigators left chloroform when testing Anthony’s car with Bluestar, Kealing said. Deen theorized that the prosecution checked with Bluestar when following up on a deposition question from the Anthony defense team, Kealing added.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/?p=28318
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The noose is “tightening around KC’s neck. I bet LK Baden had this information!! jmo, C Mason is a real “nutjob” & everytime he shoots his mouth off which is anytime he can get near a microphone, he BOAST about “how they don’t even know if it was a murder or how she died!” MORON!
art tart said, on November 9, 2010 at 8:53 pm FANTASTIC NEWS FOR THE PROSECUTION!
MONTE CARLO E-MAIL SHOWS CASEY PROSECUTIONS STRATEGY!
Monte Carlo E-Prosecutors Claim Casey Anthony Knocked Out, Killed Daughter!!
————————————-art tart — I am not following (understanding) what you have posted… could you explain?
HI art tart, where have you been! Good to “see” you.
It looks like this will dispute the defense saying that the reason there was choroform found in Casey’s car is because of chemicals used by BlueStar products to test~whatever~in the car, left traces of chloroform. BlueStar is stating that their product does not contain chloroform that would be “left behind”.
I think I explained that OK….At least that is my understanding.
Hazaka
Info from wesh2 news
A single document released by the prosecution in the Casey Anthony murder case shows the state is looking to Europe for help in supporting its theory of premeditation.
Prosecutors want to eliminate any possibility that their own investigators could have introduced chloroform into Anthony’s car while processing it for evidence.
One of Anthony’s defense attorneys, Cheney Mason, has told WESH 2 News numerous times that the state cannot prove Caylee Anthony was murdered, let alone that her death was premeditated.
The document, which was released as part of more than 900 pages of evidence in the case, shows prosecutors are working to support their theory that chloroform was used to knock out and kill Caylee Anthony.
Prosecutors claim air tests that were run inside of Anthony’s car detected large amounts of chloroform.
well, judy you sure pointed to the explanation better than me in my laymen’s terms. I hurt my brain trying to explain! LOL!
Hazaka said, on November 10, 2010 at 8:42 am
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Hazaka, you need to follow the link I left for WESH for your convenience & read the article for yourself. You remain OFF TOPIC, your “contributions on the evidence of the case” would be interesting to everyone as opposed to wanting to discuss anything but the case.
judypc, I left the link for Hazaka, she just didn’t bother to read it! Do you think Mason will eventually leave the case?
Morning LNY, Valhall has an interesting article on the subject. Since the Defense is planning on attacking all the forensic evidence, Ashton was “elimanating an argument that the chlorform (sp?) was left by Blue Star prodeuct.”
Hi art. I am reading the misc. thread at HM right now. Will have to check out the newest. I saw V made one comment on the misc. thread regarding that, didn’t know there was a new post. Thanks for the info.
Morning friends,
Hazaka said, on November 10, 2010 at 8:42 am
Would you please explain?
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Hazaka, I graciously left you the link to the article SO YOU WOULD READ IT YOURSELF! It is important to read ALL or most of the information on the case especially on potential evidence or it is difficult to understand future Motions & arguments on evidence “allowed in the case.” (also the strategy of the Defense/Prosecution)
LindaNewYork, morning! Baby it’s cold outside! Ye Haw for the DP conviction in the convictioni in the Petit family murder’s & also for the DP for the “shooter in the Billingsly murder’s.” It seems, these murders are becoming more outrageous & some “want to argue the DP is NOT a deterrient to the DP” but the murderer’s BEG for their lives to be spared while brutally murdering other’s, outrageous imo.
judypc, hey friend, what are you thoughts on Baez having success replacing LK Baden, with his team having to pay their travel, lodging, & having to “ARGUE their case before Judge P/JAC on expenses,” it would seem it would be difficult to convince anyone to join “the Circus since the photo opts appear to be over & the Defense only gets mostly bad press due to their own making.
Will Mason Leave?
Valhall/Hiniky Meter has a good article on BLUE Star this morning!
LindaNewYork, Those HM Threads are awesome, so much information to digest, I learn so much from the peeps there, some are really too sharp! It seems maybe on the thread you are reading or the last one, a peep from here that was snarky “tried to pull that game at Hinky’s & was immediately called out on it, needless to say, there was an attitude adjustment immediately.” You will see it & laugh!!
Do you use GOOGLE CHROME or does anyone else? For some reason, I lost it & can’t remember how to “load it on my lap top.” Do you have a link or can you tell me how?
Woobabie is really good on puter’s but haven’t seen her here lately but I do follow her comments at HM’s, they are always good.
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Texsun said, on November 9, 2010 at 4:47 pm “…So the law changed and Baez can’t quit now..”
Yes. They are stuck together until death to them part.
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Texsun, jmo, Baez, he only thought he would become famous & rich for defending this “notorious tot mom” but it seems KARMA has kicked his butt!
Both of his homes in foreclosure, attorney’s bailing from the “Circus” seems to have left him with a million problems. It must be HUMILATING to Baez for Judge P/JAC having to EXPLAIN AGAIN to Baez what they are NOT going to pay for the attorney’s he recruited. Baez’s lack of legal experience, with only 3 yrs. exp. when he took KC’s case, is embarassing, jmo.
Hey Art, where the cat hair have you been hiding?
Howdy Linda, egads girl don’t talk about hurting brains, mine is under the influence of cold meds
Art I have been thinking for some time that Mason will not make it to the trials end, I think the new lawyer out of Jacksonville will be the hoped for big gun the defense pins everything on.
So far, she has at least conducted herself with some class and job ethic’s.
From what I have been able to learn about her she is very good, now.. having said that I have to wonder how many of the defense antics she will tolerate before she puts her foot down, if she hasn’t already.
For any lawyer to get tangled up in this mess is really a risk, they run the chance of damaging their reputation by being involved with a defense team that plays fast and loose with the rules of law and ethic’s.
I would have to believe that at this point they would be having a hard time convincing anyone to become a part of this team.
judypc said, on November 10, 2010 at 12:21 pm
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judy, judy,l judypc, I agree with your comments. I am APPALLED at Mason, it seems before he joined the “Circus,” he had a decent reputation though many client’s on Death Row. He got a LOT of free Publicity but it seems “he is suffering from slight dementia at times to me, confused, dazed,a loose cannon & irresponsible in the Media, can’t even remember a statute.” I have found his “boasting to the Press so unprofessiona & embarassing that I think Baez “has even called him out on it with Baez announcing he would be the ONLY ONE to speak for the Defense!” LOL!
We saw this with Lyon’s when Mason joined, Lyon’s waited then dumped KC but imo, Baez was “looking for her replacement.” I agree, this case will be “damning in years to come for any Defense Attorney’s associated with this case.” Mason doesn’t seem to be “quick on his feet” & is just doing the tedious trial preparation.”
Do you think there will be sanctions against Baez AFTER the trial, or do you think there will even be a trial? I pray there is, we need every fact but a PLEA that the defense begs for is the “only way I see for the Defense to SAVE face, then they can say there were only trying to “SAVE KC’s life because the STATE was trying to take it!”
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Art, I just do not see a plea deal in this case.
(1) I can’t see Casey taking one, (2) I do not see the state offering one they have imo a good, winnable case they have a defendant that the public wants taken to trial, and lets not forget, Politics 101, these are elected seats and they like to run on their high conviction rates.
I also believe Ashton & L.D.B. want to pummel Jose’ & Mason in court in the public eye.
Now, I have never been convinced they will get a D.P. conviction, I think LWOP will be more likely, although a jury just recently gave the D.P. to a female, the one that murdered her house keeper.
Could be Floridians are sick of the high murder rate here in our state and are sick of the convicts always getting off with a slap on the wrist only to be let out to murder again.
ROFL…this is a fun game from John in Florida’s site.
http://john.bitbun.com/bop%20cindy.html
mixologist74 ——————– excuse me ………….. what is fun — a cindy game??/ what is wrong here?????????????a
Gee Yo, I should have known you’d pipe up and try to throw in your worthless two cents. Get a sense of humor.
mixologist, LMAO! That game is hilariious, thanks for the link. Hey YO! That’s how we roll!
judypc, I agree with your thoughts about a PLEA. A PLEA will not be forthcoming from the STATE, they have a solid case & want Caylee to have her day in Court. If there were a PLEA, I would feel “robbed,” I want to know everything, the Anthony’s NEED to know everything, but, imo, they know just about everything.
I wonder if Finnell had the “come to Jesus meeting w/KC before the last Status Hearing. KC looked upset when she came in & God knows she hasn’t shown one ounce of remorse about Caylee, so it must have had to do with herself. ME! ME! ME!
Whoops, thanks for the link friend!
Comment to Bill Sheaffer,
Inquiring minds want to know? What’s your dog’s name? Every time I visit your site and see that picture, I can’t help but notice how much you and your dog look alike. LOL No offense intended, I mean he is a good looking dog and you’re not too shabby either..so I guess it’s true what they say, “people do resemble their pets”
Has anyone told you that before?? Just wondering..
Hey Hazaka!
I hope you’re recuperating well from surgery. I’m glad to see you’re still kicking it.
Take care of yourself,
JB
Hi all!
I really do not think there will be a plea.
art, when Steven Hayes got the DP in the Petit case, I was thinking of you!
In THAT case the prosecution turned a plea down outright! Not sure how that goes in every state of jurisdiction.
And, after all, Jose’s BFF said in his interview with Hal Boedeker..” the are going for complet innocence…”.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/09/casey-anthony-geraldo-rivera-says-clearly-guilty-casey-anthony-faces-absurd-overprosecution.html
Maybe if I have another cup of coffee I won’t have as many typo’s….
Her ya go LNY, a nice steaming cup o joe! I know you need it because Judy and I huffed and puffed and blew that cold weather right back at ya! LOL it is beautiful here! Here, have another cup!
JBM: LOL my granddaughter (6) looked at my dog the other day and turned quickly back to me and said, “Nana, you look like Hooch!”
I don’t think there will be a plea deal offered either. I think the State has this one, but I suspect the jury will go with LWOP. That’s fine with me……as long as this POS can’t ever know the joy of having a child again.
LindaNewYork, RE: Petit Case
LNY, what is interesting in the Petit Case is that both attorney’s approached the STATE & said the defendant’s would PLEAD GUILTY & accept LWOP. The Prosecutor’s presented the offer to Dr. Petit & HE REFUSED.
Dr. Petit wanted the scumbags tried, convicted, and sentenced to death for the brutal murders of his family. An exception in the DP was made in the Petit case, I think the law was about to change. It is easier sometimes for families to “accept a plea of LWOP so they don’t have to re-live the horrible events of a murder” & years of appeals, but in Dr. Petit’s case, “he demanded ultimate JUSTICE for his family & got it on one of the scumbags, the other will happen next yr.”
LNY, I watched the episode of Geraldo & I say “screw Geraldo!” IF Geraldo’s child was murdered, would her life be worth less than 15 yrs.? Geraldo, imo, is a Media Whore & self serving, I notice he finally got “Baez OFF HIS PROGRAM!” Geraldo admits KC is guilty & has said so on serveral of his shows, Geraldo has DUMPED on GA/CA & their behavior also for lying for KC & the lack of Justice Demanded for Caylee.
Morning Frankie. I too think KC will get LWOP, the Anthony’s who have been so willing to LIE for KC & that’s the least of it, imo, will ENJOY that self absorbed skank the rest of their lives, she will call them collect daily, screaming, cussing, blaming them for Caylee’s murder, it will never end for them, the HELL on earth KC has created for the Anthony family will continue forever. imo. The good news is CAYLE will have Justice & the Anthony’s will be off TV & no one will care what they say.
http://john.bitbun.com/bop%20cindy.html
When I posted yesterday — the concept bothred me —— having seen it today — I must say it’s more than sick … this is a woman who lost her grandchild, and her daugher is in jail for have possibly commited the ultimate . and you think a game is fun …. no words can express the disgust I feel!
mixologist74 —– you certainly have issues……………..
Cindy had “FUN” lying to everyone she could…
Cindy had “FUN” giving the dogs items to the cops instead of Caylee’s…
Cindy had “FUN”trying to sneak letters to Casey in jail…
Cindy had “FUN” making money of of Caylee’s death…
Cindy had “FUN” spending the money she made from Caylee’s death, taking trips, getting tattoo’s, getting Gold Jewelry…
Cindy had “FUN” accusing others of Casey’s crimes…
Cindy had “FUN” trying to destroy those who came to help find Caylee (Tim Miller)…
Cindy had “FUN” playing her “games” and Mason is having “FUN” also, but lets get upset about someone having fun with a game at Cindy’s expense ???
Yes, someone certainly does have “issues”. And that someone is Cindy. She is truly reaping what she has sown.
People who deserve sympathy get it-those that don’t, don’t. I have no sympathy for anyone who obstructs and impedes a murder investigation and those who point fingers at innocent people. You reap what you sow.
Amen, Doug.
Somebody made a game of bopping Cindy and Casey in the head. So what!
Doug, you missed:
Cindy had “FUN” trying to get two innocent men accused of the murder of her grandchild. Yep, we all have issues I guess according to the Book of Yo/Haz.
Now I shall have some “FUN” on that site smacking that witch into a few mole holes.
Mix, don’t take any offense what was said to you; just consider the source.
I went and looked at “The Game” and it occurred to me that this “Game” is in a sense, very true. Replace the Mallet with the truth and no matter how many times you hit Cindy with the “Truth” she will not except it, instead she’ll just pop up someplace else to spread her lies and mistruths…
Hazaka said, on November 11, 2010 at 6:19 pm (insulting mixologist74)
Yo Hola – You mean Cindy Anthony! You seem to forget the facts in this case or you simply may NOT know them but let me remind you of ONLY A FEW!
THIS IS THE GRAND MOTHER THAT:
Has NEVER demanded JUSTICE FOR HER ONLY GRANDCHILD because she KNOWS HER DAUGHTER IS A MURDERER!
The woman that told ZG she WASN’T A 10 HONEY?
The one that got a PATENT on Caylee’s Name so she could MAKE ALL FUTURE MONIES?
The Grandmother that QUIT her job & BILKS Caylee’s MURDER for every bloody dime she can get & set up a ridiculous Foundation so she could continue to profit. It’s debunk! It hasn’t been posted on in a year & WHO in their right mind would give the Scamthony’s a penny?
The Grandmother that is hateful, spiteful, & is a KNOWN LIAR on National TV spewing propaganda about KC.
The Drama Queen that NOW is “pretending Caylee is Alive but she had a memorial tht a Criminal paid for & she & GA stood in front of those that came & whined about KC!
The MORON that couldn’t DONATE shoes anonomosly like everyone else! SHE CONTACTED THE MEDIA, hence the BACKLASH from the public!
The woman that took some of the $ 20,000.00 she made OFF CAYLEE’S Murder & took a Cruise INSTEAD OF PAYING HER MORTGAGE?
The Grandmother that IS SUCH A BLATANT LIAR when being interviewed by LE about KC stealing from CA, she claimed only a couple of hundred dollars. You continue to NOT keep up with the case, but Maura & another peep at Valhall’s PUT ALL THE THEFTS together, thousands & thousands & thousands of dollars KC stole from Cindy every single month.
The Grandmother that has NOW had her PERSONAL BANKING information released to the public SO EVERYONE CAN READ WHAT A LIAR CINDY IS & what a thief of a daughter she raised.
The Woman that gave birth to a 6 X’s Felon & Murdered her ONLY grandchild.
I could GO ON BUT I AM BORED TO DEATH with the whining about sympathy for Cindy Anthony! YO! You remind me of CA, CA said on National TV that “she & GA could understand why they are so hated.!”
The woman that called Mark NeJames A CREEPY LITTLE MAN!
The woman that WAS CALLED OUT BY NEJAMES & TOLD TO QUIT DOING THE BIDDING FOR THE DEFENSE?
The woman that exchanged embarassing emails with D Casey, trying to figure out ANYBODY they could blame the murder on!
HOW HARD IS IT TO DEMAND JUSTICE FOR YOUR INNOCENT GRAND CHILD??? Obviously Cindy DOESN’T THINK CAYLEE DESERVES JUSTICE! I DO! Cindy will not get any sympathy from me, she doesn’t deserve it.
YO Hola, You need to get off mixologist74′s back, & get in touch with the facts in the case, If you don’t like the game, don’t play it! There are 8 or 9 Games circulating on ALL THE BLOGS, some blogs even have a catergory so you can go directly to play the games, get over it!
Mixologist74, my score is gradually going up, don’t be offended by YO Hola!
Doug, LOL! I agree, I guess no matter how many “performances CA makes to benefit KC, the facts will never change!” The funny thing is, I was thinking the mallet was because CA is so “hard headed!” LOL! Your right, pop up another day, another lie, another story.
Doug, well said! YEP! Cindy will just pop up somewhere else, another lie, another day.
Feel sorry for Cindy?
Let’s see, it was Cindy attacking real people with a hammer in hand & a ball bat.
It was Cindy who called people Maggots & Leaches.
It was Cindy who told people to “ GET OFF THEIR ASS’ES AND SEARCH FOR HER GRANDDAUGHTER!!” all while she sat on her ass at home inventing bogus Caylee sightings.
It was Cindy that destroyed evidence from the car.
It was Cindy who knowingly and thoughtfully gave police the wrong hair brush.
It was Cindy attacked Tim Miller in public & in the media because he refused to fall in lockstep behind the Anthony lies.
It was Cindy who lied repeatedly to media, law enforcement, and in court.
It was Cindy who dined on crab puffs & steak at the Ritz the very night they discovered the remains of her only grandchild, while dining they penned the deal that netted thousands of dollars.
Need I go on?
There are many people that deserve to have people feel for them, people that have had their lives torn apart by the Anthony wrecking machine, but when I think of the people truly deserving of feelings of sympathy, Cindy is not one of them.
In the beginning, Cindy had the sympathy of every person who heard that 911 call.
It took her about a week to show her true colors, but people still made excuses for her, after awhile though, there were no more excuses, she was outed for what she truly is, a liar, and a scam artist.
Most could accept her wanting to stand by her daughter, but we can not accept the way in which Cindy & Family have conducted themselves at Caylees expense.
“There are two kinds of light – the glow that illuminates, and the glare that obscures.”
Hehe…thanks for taking up for me, guys, but honestly, I don’t worry about Yo. Like Whoops! said, consider the source!
judypc said, on November 12, 2010 at 9:03 am
In the beginning, Cindy had the sympathy of every person who heard that 911 call.
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judypc, I agree with all of your comments, geez! Adding Doug’s list, my list, & your list, is only a fracton of the insults Cindy has hurled at the public. The blantant lying to cover for a murderer is WHY the Public “hates the Anthony’s.” I don’t hate anyone, but many do hate the Anthony’s & they know that! CA whined on “National TV that they didn’t understand why they were so hated.” Public OUTRAGE for NOT demanding JUSTICE for Caylee is “incomprehensible & dispicable, the lying is just another family characteristic!” I bet B Conway “BLESSES THE DAY he DUMPED these nuts & spared himself any more of Cindy’s wrath.
imo, the Anthony’s will get their due when this trial is over. The Anthony’s, especially CA are not out of the woods on obstruction charges. We “still don’t know what L Buchanan’s relationship was with CA & LB is under investigation for tampering & falsifying a search document.” I hope “D Casey got full immunity & told everything the Anthony’s knew about Caylee’s murder.”
Caylee didn’t stand a chance, imo, with all the unstable adults with, ALL with their own agenda. Caylee was the ONLY VICTIM, Cindy needs to be reminded of that!
Let’s see, it was Cindy attacking real people with a hammer in hand & a ball bat.
Hmm..I love that about Cindy!! I would too if 100 people were invading my property shouting obscenities towards me and my family.
You’re damn skippy, I’d be out there.
Judy PC,
Of course when you take these actions out of context, they sound awful. I could agree with you on some of these issues if you told the whole story.
Example: You should say before each entry:
After finding out that her grandchild has been missing for over 40 days and her daughter is in jail pending charges of murder:
1. it was Cindy attacking real people with a hammer in hand & a ball bat
2. It was Cindy who called people Maggots & Leaches.
3. It was Cindy who told people to “ GET OFF THEIR ASS’ES AND SEARCH FOR HER GRANDDAUGHTER!!” all while she sat on her ass at home inventing bogus Caylee sightings.
#3 is debatable because we really don’t know what Cindy was doing inside her home now do we?
Anyway, I think you get my drift..yeah, yeah, I know, “get back to my side of the pond” I’ve heard that before but sometimes…somethings just need to be said.
Till next time…
Mr. Schaeffer, what happens when court documents contain errors? Judge Perry prepared and signed many ‘catch up’ orders at the end of September (over 30 in one day). One of these orders confuses two separate and unrelated motions most likely a typo.
The title of the order reads “ORDER GRANTING OBJECTION TO THE STATE’S REQUEST FOR AN ORDER STAYING THE ORDER DISPOSING OF THE DEFENSE EMERGENCY MOTION TO COMPEL PHOTOGRAPHS AND X-RAYS TAKEN OF REMAINS”
but the body of the order shifts topics “Therefore, it is ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that the Motion to Compel Unedited 911 Calls Made by Roy Kronk and Any Reports Related to Calls has been GRANTED.”
This seems just a typo, but is its correction for the court record, important? (the 911 Kronk calls Order looks fine as it has it’s own Order) Cindy Anthony would call this sort of typo, fatal!
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/High-Profile-Cases/Anthony/Downloads/Order%20Granting%20Objection%20to%20States%20Request%20For%20an%20Order%20Staying%20The%20Order%20Disposing%20of%20The%20Defense%20Emergency%20Motion%20to%20Compel%20Photographs%20and%20X-Rays%20Taken%20of%20Remains.pdf
The Anthony’s had many choices, in the beginning they had the support of everyone that heard this tragic story.
They chose to follow a lie and propel it to the heights of frenzied idiocy, they have no one but themselves to blame for the public outrage that followed.
I have often said they could have supported their daughter and still maintained civility, they as well could have kept the public support.
While it is hard to say how each of us may have reacted under such circumstances, I dare say not many would have gone the direction the Anthony’s did.
We can all understand their not wanting to believe their daughter could have been capable of such a horrid act, we can all understand their wanting to save her from the D.P.
But there are many ways they could have done so that would not have involved lies, greed, and criminal acts, that would have kept the public support behind them.
The pomposity expressed is astounding.
Interesting question, Kleat. I think I saw you point that out elsewhere too. Maybe Mr. Scheaffer will answer. 30 in one day! Wow!
#3 well we know damn skippy she was not out in the heat, the swamps,the snake & bug infested woods, searching for her granddaughter now don’t we JB.
The only search’s she was interested in was in front of a camera with a payday attached.
Dear Friends,
I humbly ask for your prayers today, my little mother lost her fight with Alzheimer’s last night. My mom died on the same day my sister died 9 yrs. ago at the young age of 47 due to a negligent death, my husband died 5 yrs. ago Sept, & my dad died unexpectedly 3 yrs. ago Nov. 7, 2007. It’s been a tough journey, navigating the death’s and successions, organizing the funerals, all of my family has passed except my 2 college age children. I have a horrible feeling of “perpetually falling forward.” Have you ever started to fall, realize it, then try to “right yourself or break your fall?” I have that awful feeling, I pray I feel “grounded in a few days.”
Last night I was overwhelmed with grief. I chose to keep my mom home since when my dad passed, she was more confused than ever & his passing seemed to had exacerbated the disease. When she could walk, I called her my shadow as she followed me everywhere holding my hand, even to the bathroom! Though my mom has babbled for 18 months, when I put her to bed last week, kissed her forehead, & told her I loved her, I turned around to leavfirst time in a long time I could understand anything she said. I was very blessed.
I pray in my lifetime that a cure is found for Alzheimer’s & the known cause of Autism as I have so many student’s with that disability and talk to so many parent’s looking for answers to the mystery. The “autism symbol” is a “puzzle piece,” behavior & disability are only one piece of the puzzle.
I was very lucky to have my mom for so long. I think of the short lives of “little Caylee, little Zahara in which they have found her prosthetic leg & only parts of her remains,” & I think how “unfair life was to them.” I was fortunate to have my loved one’s longer & I was so very fortunate not to lose someone due to murder, something I don’t think I could ever reconcile in my mind.
Though we don’t always agree here discussing Caylee, we all united in the unconditional love & joy our families our families bring, the pain when they pass away, & as judypc has mentioned, the “pain we feel when our loved one’s suffer from illnesses in which there are no cures.”
We all all united as advocates for murdered & missing children, we all want JUSTICE for Caylee & for all murdered/missing/ & abused children, & although I don’t agree with the things the Anthony’s have done & am appalled by their behavior, I did say a prayer for them today, that God will “heal their hearts & prepare them yet for another experience of the loss of another one they love.”
thank you
So sorry art tart.
I think your mom might say this to you:
Do not stand at my grave and weep.
I am not there, I do not sleep.
I am the song that will never end.
I am the love of family and friend.
I am the child who has come to rest
In the arms of the Father who knows him best.
When you see the sunset fair,
I am the scented evening air.
I am the joy of a task well done.
I am the glow of the setting sun.
Do not stand at my grave and weep.
I am not there, I do not sleep.
Do not stand at my grave and cry.
I am not there, I did not die!
The Lord’s Blessings for you to stay strong.
W
art tart – I am so sorry for your loss
That poem always makes me think of my step son
he died in 1994 at 29
judypc said, on November 13, 2010 at 10:18 am #3 well we know damn skippy she was not out in the heat, the swamps,the snake & bug infested woods, searching for her granddaughter now don’t we JB.
The only search’s she was interested in was in front of a camera with a payday attached.
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Judy,
To each his own. But I have to ask you, why would Cindy go out looking in the heat, the swamps, the snake & bug infested woods, searching for her grand daughter when Cindy has clearly stated she thought Caylee was ALIVE. She believes that even today, right? So no, I wouldn’t expect Cindy Anthony to go looking anywhere for a dead grandchild.
Yes, she’s in front of the cameras, asking for someone to find a live Caylee. I think you know that. Just keeping it real. Now if you just hate Cindy because of the cameras, that I can understand, but just don’t agree with.
art tart,
Please accept my condolences. It’s the hardest thing in the world to let a mother leave us forever. You sound like a strong woman, it’s something I’ve come to know for a long time and respect even though we see differently in this murder case.
I pray that God gives you all the strength you need to get through these tough times.
He only gives us what we can handle.
Take care of yourself,
JB
JB with respect, then why didn’t Cindy look for an alive Caylee?
Cindy is faking right now, thinking Caylee is alive, because if she appears mentally ill, her testimony wouldn’t hold a lot of water. Honestly, if she thought Caylee was alive, why have a public memorial,get a memorial tattoo, and wear Caylee’s ashes in a piece of jewelry?
art I am so sorry for your loss.
Art.
So very sorry hun, will keep you in my prayers, take care and find strength in the wonderful miracle of a mothers gentle love, knowing that sweetness will never leave you.
Whoops,
I believe she did. She hired Dominick Casey, right.
art tart ——— my heart is heavy for you —— too much sadness …. with hugs and all the besst — I am soo sorry —- your hurt must be incredible —–
theJBmission said, on November 14, 2010 at 6:37 pm
Whoops,
I believe she did. She hired Dominick Casey, right.
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JB, SHE herself did nothing to find a live Caylee. Remember her telling everyone to get off their asses and look for Caylee. How did Dominick Casey work out for her?
Please bare with me, I mean no insult…
Since Mr. Sheaffer and WFTV started this blog, every now and then someone has suffered a loss of a loved one. They have writen about their feelings, the pain of loss, how their lives may never be the same again.
And in doing so, they show their Humanity and in return, they receive our Sympathy.
But in comparison, Casey did and showed none of this, she could care less that Caylee, a helpless 2 year old, was missing. She never reported her missing, instead she went out to party. She never told anyone, she showed no pain of loss like a normal person would.
Even Cindy has shown more emotion over the loss of Casey than she has over the loss of Caylee.
There is something wrong with this family.
Art Tart, My sincere thoughts for your loss. You wrote a most beautiful sentiment covering
not only your losses but those of so many. You have had so very much to recoup from and I wish you very comforted days ahead.
Whoops,
Your question, “how did Dominic Casey work out for her”
I have a question for you, “how did LE work out for her”
JB:
Speaking only for myself I can tell you that had Caylee been my grandchild, I would have been on bended knee begging anyone and everyone Please help me find her, I would have crawled through swamps, day or night would have found me searching.
I would have welcomed the police into my home, they could have torn down the walls if it would have been what was needed, they could have ask me for anything and I would have given it freely, then ask what more can I do?
I would have had no pride, no shame, no thought of crab puffs, or personal profit, I would have faced the devil himself, with my last breath, my last ounce of strength I would have searched.
I would have taken lie detector test, give dna, sold any possessions, I would have been forever grateful to those that came to help me, I would have hugged them, thanked them, prayed for them, I would have felt blessed that they came for my loved one, for me, for my family.
I have two grandsons, they are two of the greatest blessing in my life, thank God they are safe, healthy, and loved.
JB,
Since you answered a question with a question, I will respectfully answer yours. LE did so much more for Caylee than any of the Anthonys. However having been hamstrung by the lies and obstructionist tactics of the Anthonys, their job was made infinitely more difficult.
Judypc has laid it out quite succinctly numerous times on this blog but there are those who wish to put their own spin on the obvious. I realize we are on different sides of the spectrum. What I don’t understand about your comments is why you insist that Casey is not guilty. Is it simply that you are one who always takes up for the opposing side to form an argument or do really stand by what you post for the sake of said argument. Or are you just playing devil’s advocate and playing us?
ArtTart.. I am sorry for your loss.. I just wish to say that in the bigger scheme of things, and by that I mean Life, does it really matter what happens to C and G and L after KC is convicted? Life can be full of joy and can also be full of pain.. Why not just focus on the joy in our life and not constantly beat up the Anthony family. Leave them alone. Their justice will come.. we just fon’t know in what form yet.
art tart, I am so very sorry for the loss of your Mother, and others. You brought tears to my eyes.
I truly believe in a “heaven” and your little Mother is there with your Father and other loved ones who have passed on before her. I believe she is there, no longer afflicted with Alzheimers that clouded her mind and she is once again thinking clearly and feeling fine. I believe that just as I believe my Mother, who had esophegeal cancer and passed away on December 27, 2007 is in heaven and is able to eat again and is feeling fine and with my Father and other’s who passed before her.
I know that overwhelming grief well, and hope times heals your broken heart.
Thinking of you, art tart and will say a prayer
And Whoops, tht is a lovely poem that always makes me smile. None of us truly “die”. We go to another type of existance where we will all be reunited with those we love.
judy pc,
I’m not as shallow as you think. I understand that you love your grandkids and would do anything to find them if they were lost but you’re basing that on the premise of the “usual” missing child scenario. I love my grandchildren too. I might have preferred to think they were ALIVE too, instead of DEAD.
With that said, I know we can at least agree that this was an unusual set of circumstances. This child was left (according to KC) in the company of her babysitter ZG. Whether you believe this person exists or not, matters not, this is what Cindy believed.
31 days have passed. IMO, Cindy isn’t thinking Caylee is still in Florida. She looking for Zenaida Gonzalez.
Surely you agree with LE? The car smelled like death right?
So what was happening with LE?? They are looking for a body, not a LIVE child. Which is why they really screwed up by not finding her 14 houses away, but that’s an entirely different matter.
This is WHY Cindy said, get off your asses and find Caylee. A LIVE CAYLEE.
LE kind of entertained the idea, to appease her. This is what angered Cindy.
I don’t know why that’s so hard to understand???
I see how everyone is quick to judge Cindy’s actions but not much is said about George?? Why doesn’t anyone ask why he didn’t get a stick and search wooded areas?
Same answer: They are looking for a LIVE Caylee because they CHOSE to believe Casey. At least they are consistent.
IF they had shifted gears and started searching a body, I would certainly find that suspicious. Wouldn’t you?
theJBmission ———–Bravo!
Whoops,
I appreciate you answered my question with an opinion. I could have answered yours with my opinion (or as you would call it “my spin”) too but it would have been too lengthy to post. I believe the proof is in the pudding. Check the documents and read about all of the work Dominic Casey did behind the scenes looking for a LIVE Caylee. This didn’t hit the news media. No one was interested in finding Caylee alive.
BTW, I respect “your spin” but it does differ from mine and maybe a few other people as well.
I’ve never stated “Casey is innocent or Casey is guilty” All I try to do is look at ALL of the evidence and theories, not just the ones that point to her guilt. I think there’s a happy medium which is hard to find on blogs. That’s what I do at my site which many think is pro-Casey. Yes, I do try to keep the trend towards “innocence” because I think there’s enough blogs out there that trend towards “guilt” I hope that explains what motivates me in this case. Thanks for asking.
JBv — why oh why … if anyone presents a differing bit of information, others jump to the conclusion that whomever is posting believes Casey is innocent?? Don’t get it …wht is wriong with asking and questioning?:? Look everyone at the Innocense Project and their work …………. and that poor soul who was killed last week, who might not have been guilty~!~
JBMission and Hazaka.. Double Bravo… LE smelled that car in the Anthony garage the night of the 31st. What was the point of not questioning Casey, Cindy, George and Lee individually and extensively about the smell of a gead body.. LE just didn’t do enough to ‘Divide and Conquer” about the smaell. They should have put KC in jail and left her there until she proved Zanny existed or found a more believable story.. Leave C and G and L out of it until then.
All roads, all evidence led to Casey Anthony killing her daughter. No Nanny, no Live Caylee.
There is no drug cartel, prostitution ring, escort service, no “conspiracy” by LE, Roy Kronk, the Fusian DJ, Tony Lazarro being involved, and blah, blah, blah.
If Cindy and George and Lee bought into to crap/lies Caey told them about some Nanny and they choose to believe in tha fantasy, then fine, if thats what gets them through. It is not denial, they know the truth and just coz THEY say they believe it doesn’t mean the rest of us have fallen for the BIG Nanny LIE.
right now, in the public eye, the majority of the population WHO FLOOW THIS CASE to the point “we” do, the preponderance of the evidence leans to Casey is the killer of her daughter. The scales are tipped.
In a court of law, the scales need to be be tipped, beyond a reasonable doubt, and will be.
If you doubt, at least make sure the doubt is reasonable and not some preposterous conspiracies.
And by the way, LE did follow leads on “live Caylee’s”. As you say Dom Casey did? And what did he come up with? Oh, nothing at all on any “live” Caylee.
Sure, I had sympathy for the Anthony’s until they decided to obstruct and impede a criminal investigation into the murder of their granddaughter to “get Casey off of murder charges”. No, I cannot imagine having my granddaugher murdered and my daughter being the accused. Happens often.
The Anthony’s have closed rank. They are laughable in their undying denial and devotion that Casey could not have killed Caylee, when all roads lead to Casey.
getreal said, on November 15, 2010 at 5:20 pm
LE just didn’t do enough to ‘Divide and Conquer” about the smaell. They should have put KC in jail and left her there until she proved Zanny existed or found a more believable story.. Leave C and G and L out of it until then.
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Exactly getreal!!
I like that term. “Divide and Conquer” the oldest police tactic in the book.
Hazaka,
Bravo to you!! … if anyone presents a differing bit of information, others jump to the conclusion that whomever is posting believes Casey is innocent??
I mean, “really”
or they top it off with “you mustn’t know the facts” Hahahaha..
or EVERYONE Knows..Reminds me of something I heard in Jr. High. Nobody agrees with you. Everyone else thinks so…
Well, if EVERYONE thought the World was flat, I guess I’d have to think that too.
Hahahaaha..NOT ME. I have a mind of my own. I’ve NEVER been a follower and I never will be.
Gee, it’s good to be me.
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Thank you JBMission.. You are exactly right.. Ihave never said that I believe that Casey is innocent.. I, like you, have a mind of my own and I, like you, know all the facts that any other blogger knows. I, unlike everyone, with the exception of a few, do not have to bash the entire Anthony family.. In fact, what I may feel for the A’s, including KC I maybe made known well over 2 years ago when I first blogged.. Now here it is going on 3 years later and people are still finding the time to sit behind a computer, saying the same thing all day long, everyday about the A’s. Why can’t they talk about other missing, murdered children? Wait till after KC’s trial to talk about it again.. wait and see if C and G will be prosecuted? People are really out of their minds with hatred for these people but yet seem to forget there are and have been many more tradgedies than this one.
Seems to me that Bill Sheaffer started this blog and the subject has been the Casey Anthony case from the beginning. There are many other blogs that have multiple cases that they comment about. Since this has become the getreal, Hazaka, JBmission bash the commentors blog I will kindly take my leave and let you three talk to yourselves. Adios amigos and amigas. You win.
Whoopi.. whatever.. I haven’t bashed anyone.. just dysagreed with most of you.. I haven’t noticed Hazaka and JBM bashing anyone either.Is this not a blog of Questions, Answers, Facts and Opinions? Does it all have to be hate All the Anthony’s blog?
So, let’s see, the divide and conquer huh…as the high fives on the concept are paraded for us by the few, very few in fact.
hmmmm……so sitting in jail for now over TWO years is not sweating the person to come clean with the “proof” of the imaginanny or some other explanation? Or heck at least produce a Jeff Hopkins that suggested the imaginanny?
hmmmmm…..facing death penalty is not enough to instigate and cause the success of the old tried and true police tactic of divide and conquer?
If you people “have minds of your own” how come intelligent thinking is not being demonstrated in the postings and instead high fives and gosh I love that concept comments offered instead that have ZERO basis in reality?
People who do have minds of their own, don’t feel compelled, or would that be impelled, to repeatedly announce why gosh I have a mind of my own as though somehow that will bolster their argument that doesn’t hold up to the bright light of logic…they simply demonstrate that they do….
….and on the subject of logic, if no family member (in the real world, not imaginary) were not trying to insist that Casey is innocent…then gosh, since she is charged with murder…..isn’t the opposite of murdered, an insistence she is alive and kicking and gosh we are going to find her when you get out?…and gosh, would that not be viewed as effort, albeit bizarre, to insist that she is innocent of what she is charged with?….
To be honest…. and having come from journalism. … I’m afraid that far too often,
Belich’s questions are moronic and not professional.
And yet Mason and Baez can’t answer those same questions. So who’s the unprofessional moron…Mason or Baez
It’s sad to see the Anthony Bandwagon is back up and running. What happened ? Cindy get another Caylee payday?
Art Tart: My condolences. I am so sorry for the pain you are suffering and I’ll keep you in my prayers.
As to george: He is, IMO, even worse than cindy. I think george KNEW on June 24 that Caylee was likely dead. I also think that he KNEW what he smelled in casey’s trunk….decomp.
As to cindy: I will never pity that one. If Cayle came tiptoeing in after having partied at Fushion for these 2+ years, I still don’t feel sorry for cindy. Her haughtiness and inherent dishonesty is disgusting. She is a pig and a liar. Totally without conscious after doing all the things she has done…and no they have mainly been listed, so I won’t repeat. There is NO excuse for her behavior, even if she believed with every fiber of her being that Caylee was alive.
It is amazing that all these “open minded” individuals continually attack those they view as “closed minded”. An open minded person is willing to discuss, intelligently, all views, not just the ones he/she support. I haven’t heard any theories from those “open minded” folks, just attacks on others and their assertions that they are open minded! ^5′s all around.
RS: Hey…see you are still trying to fight the good fight! Hang in there…..there is a definite attempt to shut down all casey is guilty talk on here. The only topics NOT attacked are those that support a LE conspiracy against a nobody. I don’t buy it.
Doug: LOL…I believe you may be correct. I like KB, and like you, who is the stupid one… the one that asked the question or the ones that cannot answer it?
Casey Defense Looking At EquuSearch Docs Again
12:23 pm EST November 16, 2010
ORLANDO, Fla. — “Casey Anthony’s defense team is getting a second look Tuesday at documents from Texas EquuSearch, whose volunteers searched for Caylee.
The defense claims, months earlier, some of those volunteers searched the exact area where Caylee’s remains were discovered but found nothing. It’s trying to show that someone else could have hidden the body there after Casey was in jail on no bond.”
ROFLMAO~~~haha, they just can’t let it go, can they? “Someone else could have hidden Caylee’s body there…” Laurel and Hardy are at it again. It looks like that is ALL they got: SODDI…
Wednesday, volunteer Laura Buchanan, who is under investigation for falsifying records to help Casey, will be deposed by prosecutors.
Hazaka said, on November 16, 2010 at 12:15 pm
To be honest…. and having come from journalism. … I’m afraid that far too often,
Belich’s questions are moronic and not professional.
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Hazaka, though I respect your difference of opinion, TAKE NO OFFENSE: What kind of Journalism were you “participating in WHERE the FACTS weren’t reported correctly OR those that are Boasting are NOT ABLE TO HONESTLY ANSWER the questions? Was it fiction?
Hazaka, Propaganda is not Journalism, those to choose to REPORT ONLY grand standing & propaganda AREN’T doing their job. Belich doesn’t put up with the “NO N professional bull chit this Defense tries in Court which backfires everytime & when they spew propaganda at news conferences.”
Just think! If Belich didn’t challenge the Defense, the public would certainly be MIS-INFORMED of many of the facts in this case! Belich is doing her job just as her EDITOR informed the public & Mason! Mason is doing his job UNTIL someone sharp enough challenges his lies.
art tart ————- no answer ……..except to say ———-WHATEVER …. be well —-
Hazaka, & another things that irks the pee out of me, is WHY do Journalist report LIES, in many cases, they know they are lies.
Holly Bristow, MORON from Orlando FOX runs out to “allow CA & GA to have the microphone to say anything they want to get the interview.
1. SS Caylee Marie, the Anthony’s called Bristow so they could grand stand about the boat WHICH to anyone’s knowledge, has NEVER been used to help find a missing child but there are photos of the Anthony’s taking the boat out fishing.
2. To PROMOTE the Caylee Foundation, is stagnant, GA nor CA have jobs but it hasn’t been updated in over a year but they called Bristow to do a story on the Caylee Foundation when they first started it.
3. GA called Holly Bristow & she gave GA a microphone & allowed him to read, “Life Under a Microphone” in which it had the FOX water mark on it, “they had exclusive rights MEANING GA GOT PAID & they own the copyright!”
4. CA called Holly Bristow to show Caylee’s bedroom on TV.
imo, Holly Bristow should be on NG or JVM, the stories she does “promote whatever the Anthony’s want reported, it isn’t news, NONE of this reported has ANYTHING to do with the Murder of Caylee. it’s more human interest stories which it isn’t journalism,
Hazaka, I know you don’t like Belich, but to be fair, only consider “other journalist’s” who “bend over for the Anthony’s just to get an interview.” WESH nor WFTV will do that for the Anthony’s or the Defense, & imo, I like those two news outlet’s best.
LindaNewYork:
Also, when you threaten to kick someone out of your house and that you will take custody of their child, You have to expect that something will “snap” within that person. And given that Casey and Cindy share the same anger problems, what did Cindy think would happen…A card and flowers ?? True, killing the child was extreme, but the Anthony’s seem to take everything to the extreme.
I hear ya, Doug! They take things to the extreme, indeed!
And I hear you too, art tart.
I see the duh-fense trolls have been out spinning their little stories here too. Little stories that have nothing to do with truth. I wonder if they’re paid a pittance for trying to sell the Casey Is Innocent BS or if they are just flakes with time on their hands and no conscience. I would like to know if they have babies themselves and if they do, would they leave them in Casey’s care? If they believe she’s innocent well then why not. OH NO! Look out babies, better learn to RUN. Your mommy & daddy don’t value your little lives much or they’ve drawn some very strange and terrible conclusions about what is right and what is wrong in this world.
Trolls, may I ask if you have babies and if so, how old?
Doug do you think the trolls, errr =, I mean = Passengers on the Bandwagon are paid some Pittance to try as hard as they can to get to the ears of as many Potential Jurors as possible?
RUN kiddies!!! ———— and r u a troll???
Look at Buchanan backpedaling to cover her ass…
And the next hearing is by phone ?? Well, you know Baez will deny that phone call never took place…
And Baez and second fiddle Mason, not being on camera, can relax and let their true facial expressions show, unlike in court where they remain in control with poker faces…lol
Doug, Who’d thunk it? L Buchanan confused, back pedaling? LOL! GOSH! I want to read that deposition! She was given “immunity for the depo ONLY, she’s not a thinker, she better listen to her attorney, & hey, IF CA or Baez TOLD HER WHAT TO DO, she better get honest & say so. just sayin………………….. Buchanan doesn’t have a dog in the fight except for searching for her 15 minutes of fame.
Testimony From Key Casey Witness Could Be Falling Apart”
http://www.wftv.com/news/25830173/detail.html
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What a freakin mess with the defense!! NOW, the JAC doesn’t want to PAY to send evidence out of town to be tested! SEEMS the Defense didn’t bother to ASK the JAC to pay for the evidence to be sent out of town while they did argue the testing in front of Judge P! WHEN in the hell is Baez going to read the JAC handbook, it seems it’s only Baez that can’t seem to “GRASP” that his law firm, Baez personally, & his skank client HAVE NO MONEY!! They squandered ALL the money, over $ 300,000.00 & had nothing to show for it! IF they want something to be paid for, THEY BETTER ASK & follow the STRICT procedures the JAC demands of everyone!
Doug, CALLING in to the Courts to ask/request/beg/piss & moan, geez, I could explain it to Baez or he could just “be a real attorney & read it himeself! What a nut job!!
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Caylee Marie Anthony! JUSTICE is FINALLY CATCHING UP! (it’s a good read!)
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/
Bob Kealing traveled to Indiana to interview Dr. Neil H. Those testy little bugs! Tonight Kealing will report on WHY his report UNDERMINES the Defense’s theory, & also “tightens the timeline for the STATE in the Case Against KC.”
imo, that has always been a BIG problem for the Defense, the STATE has continued to tighten their timeline, the Defense is STILL COLD CALLING Search Volunteer’s, still working that theory EVEN AFTER Judge P told them the Taxpayer’s would “not pay for a fishing expedition.” LOL! The hard headed defense continues to look for anyone to blame.
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=655460524879
It’s been three (3) years, and what is Cindy’s disability again ?? She can’t work due to a death in the family ?? How is she able to pull that scam off ?? She can’t work, yet, she can take a cruise, trips, appear on countless T.V. shows and run a Foundation. But she’s just to ill to work.
Doug Wollenburg ——do you know the nature of his disability??? And — seems like the overnight posts have disappeared.
Defense wants more taxpayer money for DNA tests
At a 1:30 p.m. hearing, Anthony’s defense team is expected to ask for more than $2,000
Attorneys want to test a pair of Caylee’s shorts, along with a bag found near the toddler’s remains in the woods near her home.
They also want the DNA testing done by an out-of-state laboratory.
The Justice Administrative Commission said those DNA tests could be done for less money by a lab based in Florida.
Doug;
Aren’t most people allowed three days to recover from a death in the family then they have to go back to work?
Again — what is the nature of Cindy’s disability? And does she have a job to go back to?
Anyone know?
RUN kiddies!!! said, on November 17, 2010 at 3:39 pm IMO yes they are being paid to do exactly that. I have always thought the blogs are being used to sway public opinion. I believe the anthonys participate at times and I think the DT has staffers regularly post. bozo is too well informed of blog content not to be reading them. Logically, it only makes sense that he would have staffers participate.
I hope CJ Perry says no to out of state testing. This is ludicrous! The defense seems to go out of their way to annoy the public and waste money….sort of like cindy thumbing her nose at reporters after her cruise and saying “well, you guys are paying for it!”. Does bozo think it is strategic to be purposely haughty? I think he should make conciliatory efforts towards the public in an effort to present his client in a more favorable light. He seems to be resorting to school yard tactics….as a matter of fact, I expect the DT to break out with a nanny, nanny poo poo at KB!
Back for a bit since Craig swept some comments out of the back door.
“So lets see for well over a year and a half, more like 2 years, Cindy has been collecting disability due to stress-related medical problems and this is why she left her job, so she claims.
George on the other hand must be collecting disability due to the fact he can’t keep a job. Why else could he get disability, oh wait, that suicide news breaker..I forgot.
As for how much they make in disability, I have no clue. It has to be enough for tattoos, renovations, gas, gum, pizza….etc….”
http://humbleopinionforum.net/2010/07/27/can-the-anthonys-disability-check-pay-the-house-payment/
By the way if you recall, Cindy’s boss at Gentiva testified in the last hearing with Cindy about the 911 call. I’m sure she isn’t welcome back at Gentiva. I sure wouldn’t want her taking care of one of my elderly parents.
Thanks Craig for cleaning up my fau pax.
No prob. Save me the trouble and don’t make them next time ; ) Thank you!
Whoops, LOL, you just about covered what CA is doing with that disability money. Exactly, CA’s former employer has to be “sick to death of all the drama” CA drug to her workplace & imposed on her peers.” Thanks for the link.
Doug, CA’ disability runs out in Jan. 2011, I figured CA’s latest scam is claiming Caylee is alive like she “tried to pull at the 911 Hearing in which Baez ask her questions about it, I bet Ashton/Burdick’s eyeballs rolled back & stuck, & then on National TV in an interview on NBC, after all, they are under contract according to GA with NBC. IF CA is trying to get “Government Disability, good luck with that, they won’t believe CA any more than the public believed her.
Haazaka, there is a “shortage of nurses in this country, CA QUIT her job just like GA!” They DON’T want to work, they want to live “off their murdered grand daughter & have done exactly that!” CA will ALWAYS be able to get employment as a nurse, NOW, if after the trial CA is charged with “perjury or obstruction” & acquires a criminal record of sorts, that might change.”
Frankie, I agree about the testing, there are labs in Fla. that do just that, ALSO, the JAC said that the Defense wants to “pick & choose who they want to do testing at taxpayer’s expense which isn’t allowed!”
judypc, you are right, 3 DAYS after a death, even a child. That’s what it is in the School System where I work. When my dad passed 3 yrs. ago, I took a week as my mother couldn’t be alone with Alzheimer’s. I didn’t get paid. In all walks of life, imo, there are some people that bilk the system for everything they can get out of it. The Anthony’s bilk everything to keep from working! jmo.
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http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/11/18/caylee-anthony-case-buchanan-and-bugs/
Valhall does an outstanding job of analysis of L Buchanan & how she is NOW confused about exactly where Caylee was found! She also talks about Dr. Haskell, imo, he will be EXCELLENT explaining to the jury. This isn’t JUNK SCIENCE, it has been used for many years in Court Rooms!
Wonder what CJ Perry thinks about the defense getting a free fishing trip with the TES records based on a LIE?????? CJ Perry needs to have a come to Jesus meeting with this bunch of liars. IMO I am sick and tired of them wasting hard earned taxpayer money while others do without basic necessities.
art: I wonder if Caylee wasn’t in that trunk even longer than 2.5 days. If she was murdered on the 15th (early on the 16th) and put in the trunk unbagged, 2.5 days later would make it around the 18th when the neighbor said casey borrowed his shovel. She may have borrowed the shovel thinking she would bury her, but that was too much trouble. She then might have put her in the 2 plastic bags and laundry bag while her car was backed in the driveway. The odor would have been minimal at that time. If george saw the bags in the trunk on the 24th, casey had to overreact about the gas cans and get out of there FAST!!! She drove around for awhile until early morning on the 27th, threw the bags in the woods, tore them or they leaked into the trunk when she was disposing of the remains resulting in the smell becoming intolerable and she had to get rid of the car.
frankie, I am “certainly open to Caylee being in the trunk longer, I always thought she was” but once I read at Valhall’s, Vallhall said “2.5 days & she was using it as an average so that is why I used it here.” I thought perhaps Caylee might have been in there 3 – 5 days at least but I have nothing to back it up. I agree with you, the odor would have become more intense depending on the length of time & even after 6 months, Dr. Haskell says the odor is unmistakable in KC’s trunk.
I too don’t know IF KC put the “double trash bags on Caylee” because she was leaking fluids, possibly not as soon as she murdered her, but when Caylee started decomposing & leaving fluids in the trunk. What are your thoughts, bagging her immediately after death or later?
What are your thoughts or anyone’s else’s on the length of time little Caylee was left in KC’s trunk.
Art: I sure as heck can’t argue with Val LOL cause I am just guessing. I had heard that 2.5 days early on and have followed as much as my limited knowledge will allow me. I think the neighbor said she backed in around the 18th. If she decided that she couldn’t bury her in the backyard, she could’ve grabbed a couple bags and the laundry bag out of the garage. It just makes sense to me.
I think the tape WAS the murder weapon. And, since Caylee was in the plastic bags, there wouldn’t be any further hairs or fluids and possibly the smell would have been muted. Once she decided she had to move her, the bags could have simply leaked spilling fluid into the trunk and releasing an unbearable stench so that she had to ditch the deathmobile.
Craig…….Yoo Hoo!!! Would you ask Mr. Sheaffer if he might do a quick article giving us his opinion of CJ Perry’s recent rulings? It seems he is giving the defense a lot of latitude and is not really holding their feet to the fire to enforce his rulings. I am curious if this is normal or if he is just being extra careful.
Maybe that should read insight….His opinion might get him in trouble
frankie, I agree with your thoughts. KC was probably too lazy to bother digging the grave any further on the patch of ground KC dug by the pool as a possible grave for Caylee. imo, KC was “just done with Caylee” & didn’t anticipate the decompositional fluids leaking nor did she anticipate the odor but she surely started lying & making excuses about squirrels stuck on the carriage of her car. It would seem if KC were googling about “ways to murder such as neck breaking, she should have educated herself on what happens when one is murdered.
I too agree, I think the murder happened the way Ashton described it, imo, Caylee suffocated by duct tape. I am “open to everything the STATE presents in KC’s case as the manner of death as I know there are facts to back up their theory.”
I left a link to WS at Hinkey on the Misc. Caylee thread, it is discussing opinions on IF KC would request a plea. It was interesting.
Hi art, frankie, whoops (and Craig!)
I am at the point today/right now, that I am so sick of how long this has been going on!!! She should have been tried, convicted and sitting in her new home/prison cell by now. Cut and dry!
The defense has nothing. Waste, huge waste. Their client, the murderer is guilty, guilty, guilty. They are grasping at straws, and have been from the beginning!
Ughhhhhhh…..
I wonder what it says about us when we just can’t wait any longer to see another person get closer to dying. Yes, yes, of course you think she is guilty, but is it in the best interest of our own soul to have such yearning.
I always thought that Casey used the shovel to break Caylee loose from the trunks carpet and to use it to place her in the bags, her clothes, that Cindy found in the car and washed were used to cover her while she laid there rotting.
Frankie & Art:
I believe caylee was in the trunk longer than 2.5, I have my own reasons for believing this.
IMO the 2.5 day’s relates only to the hair with the death band because that is the time frame for such decomp.
Now, how do you guys see the battle of the bug experts?
Mason said today their expert says Haskel is wrong, funny thing is, Haskel was the teacher that taught the defense expert.
Soooooo, in court could he say look son, I taught you everything you know, BUT!! not everything I know……
Consider this, Caylee could have been in the trunk of Caseys car while she was driving around in Amy’s car.
Evening LindaNewYork & Doug,
Doug, do you remember when GA showed a neighbor a shallow area was dug out behind the pool? It was on a few inches deep but I seem to remember it was 24″ long, too much work for KC, she had men to entertain!
I thought KC used the shovel for that but I agree, although I never really thought of it until you brought it up, it is certainly likely/plausible that KC used the shovel to move Caylee in the trunk. It’s terrible to think about, but Caylee had rigor. at some point, I don’t remember how many hours it takes for it to set in but she would have been difficult to move.
LindaNewYork, I too am tired of this case, this case should have been over & JUSTICE for Caylee should have been delivered by now. With the Defense having NO Defense, with L Buchanan’s LIES being exposed, Joy Wray a NUT JOB, & Jill Kerley, (Kronk’s ex), a convicted felon, the Defense HAS NO Defense! imo, The Defense “has not given KC the best representation, a PLEA should have been begged for by the Defense a year ago.” Baez waited too long, Baden & Lyon’s, imo, both know KC is guilty & opted out of the embarrassment of being attached to a case of “a mother murdering her child.”
Wonder IF Baez will be able to come up with someone to take Baden’s place?
There are coffin flies all around all of us apparently all the time. One commenter gave an
excellent link for information at Kruezer’s Korner today on his most recent post.
judypc, excellent point. Looks like Mason would learn “to shut up!” That grand standing has caused them so much embarrassment, Mason is even worse than Baez imo.
Oh yuk! Guess thats why KC wanted to use Amy’s car, another good point!
BB, thanks for the heads up on “Kruezer’s Korner,” it’s been awhile since I read there but it’s a good blog. I have read a good bit on “coffin flies in the past,” very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
JudyPC: I think she was in the trunk for 2.5 days then bagged in the plastic. That would account for the hair. casey then realized she needed to put her in the garbage bags (smell and bloat). But I think she left Caylee in the trunk. I think the fluid leaked out when she dumped the remains sometime AFTER June 24.
That leads me back to her being in the trunk when Tony Lazzarro was there with her to put gas in her car, if not mistaken around June 23rd. Surely there would have been a very strong stench from the decomposition by then. I don’t get the late June to Early July IF
Caylee was dead by the 16th of June, is it still possible Casey had her body somewhere else before putting her in the trunk to move to the location where her body was found.
16th to after 24th. 8 to 10 day span there. Yet in trunk 2.5 days. I’m missing something.
Father Joe said, on November 18, 2010 at 6:27 pm
I wonder what it says about us when we just can’t wait any longer to see another person get closer to dying. Yes, yes, of course you think she is guilty, but is it in the best interest of our own soul to have such yearning.
Father Joe, I don’t think “all” cannot wait any longer to see another person closer to dying/put to death. I think it is, IMO the yearning isto see this girl get to court already and have a jury validate the SAO evidence that Casey, and no one else is guilty of killing Caylee. At least that is my yearning. I am not too sure that the jury will put her to death. It is on the table though, because FL has the DP as one of two sentences for premeditated murder. I agree yearning for her death is not good for the soul. It is beyond our control that the state of Florida has the DP.
I was channel surfing last nite and did see L. Padilla on JVM. Yes, that was a good point about Casey slamming down the trunk so her Father didn’t Caylee’s body. I had to laugh when JVM said Baez made a statement, somthing to the effect of “we don;t want this played out in media” (?) Maybe he should take that advice. The more they make statements to the media the more we REALLY know they got nuthin’ to prove her innocence.
IMO every time THIS defense team cries “junk science”! “no coffin flies”!! “let us look through thousands of TES searcher files”! etc., etc., and blah, blah, blah the more guilty she looks. If looking more guilty is even possible!! Circumstantial evidence, Jose & Mason! You KNOW criminals have been convicted on that!
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On a side note, I was watching a show where a defense attorney, who’s clients DNA was found on like 13 rape victims, was saying “…ALL they have is DNA evidence..” hahaha. No matter what, it seems a defense attorney will go to any length for the “win”. No matter how preposterous it sounds!!
(art tart, you may have seen the case I am speaking about..the guy who was the all-star high school fottball player, who for 14 years raped women)
Hi guys! Very little time to blog lately but that`s all I plan to do today. Get caught up. Seems like there was a little bit of troll activity lately.
I agree that those defense bums are paid to plant seeds of doubt among the potential jury pool. We were told all about them last year and they are still at it. I think it`s hilarious that they don`t even bother whistling their song of innocence over at the Hinky Meter or Blink, places where legal eagles abide. They would be quietly ignored over there and they know it.
I expect they will really start banging their drums even louder as we get nearer the trial. What. Ever. They sure have their work cut out for them cause anyone over the age of 13 with even a shred of logic or common sense can conclude casey extinguished the beautiful little light that was her daughter.
So, the defense had a baaaaaad week! Really baaad.
Their “Make-Us-Rich-&-Famous Tour” is crumbling all around them. That’s likely why they’re cracking the whip, encouraging their tiny band of trolls to get busy, start doing what they are paid for. For once Bozo Clown and Foghorn Clown have shut up. Did you catch that interview yesterday where the red-nosed duo fled from big, bad Kathi Belich and her direct questions? Seriously, they wouldn’t answer her. They didn’t even make up any childish taunts. Especially Mason. His fear of her is palpable. Also, did you read Seamus Oreilly`s Statement Analysis on the subject yesterday? Especially what he says about the older clown, including:
“Mason now gets to retire without dignity and all of his many years of work will pale in comparison to his juvenile machismo boasting and his school boy fit at being questioned by a competent and sensible reporter, who is simply doing her job.” HA!
Clown Mason: JUVENILE and MACHISMO BRAGGART and a BADLY-BEHAVED SCHOOL BOY.
Kathi Belich: COMPETENT and SENSIBLE REPORTER.
Caseys defense is falling apart.
Belich’s email addy, in case you want to thank her and tell her how good she is:
kathibelich@wftv.com
Hello Friendo’s! LOL! (Friendo from “No Country For Old Men!)
LindaNewYork, Father Joe, imo, is one of the regular’s here that stir the pot entering yet again with another name, this time as male. I did see the episode where the Def Att. when he said, “all they had was DNA!” LOL! Better than an eye witness, DUH, reminded me of something as laughable as Baez would say!
Liinda, I have been watching JVM/LP too & think LP has “become a nut job,” imo. LAST week he said on JVM that “LE ALWAYS KNEW where Caylee’s body was!” That’s the nuttiest thing he has said yet.JVM cut him off as fast as she could but she had him on again this week! LP is one of those that is too “bogged down in conspiracies, have you ever known anyone like that?” I am going to have to go back & look at the State’s Witness List to see if he is even going to be called as a witness since he hasn’t “shut up since he sprung KC from the slammer!” LP acted ugly about Tim Miller, LP causing that debacle at J Blanchard Park & the Anthony’s showed up to cause more drama. LP seems to have “interjected himself & his importance relaying informing on talk shows that, imo, he learned from Tracy, Rob Dick, LE.
BEES & LNY: Read what Val wrote, it’s hinky alright! (» Valhall said: { Nov 18, 2010 – 06:11:32 }
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/11/17/kyron-horman-case-the-two-faces-of-terri/#comment-95604
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BB, I don’t know the answers to your questions & I understand it is a bit confusing, I will check at the Hinky Meter in the “Science Library to see if they have addressed your question) judypc may know this answer, but I too am curious.
BEES! I’v missed you!
Art tart, I’m so sorry to read of your loss. I still haven’t lost a parent and can only imagine the sadness you must feel. It sounds like you have many good memories. I was thinking Casey Anthony will never know that deep feeling of love, and then loss, that most daughters would feel when their mother passes. And she’ll never know it as being a mother herself and losing her own daughter. She’s like an empty creature. Like an ant, her skeleton is on the outside but, unlike an ant, there’s nothing on the inside at all. Creepy.
Frendo! I just watched that again last week. Bardem played a compelling sociopath murderer — chills . . . the Coens. do know how to make a movie! Yes, LP is a nutjob as you say. His black Stetson hat, toothpick chewing nonsense is old and played. I’m embarrassed for him. So many shysters in poor little Caylee’s case.
Hi Linda, how are you? About the trunk . . . a poster (Bob) at Hinky’s shared his theory a couple days ago that casey didn’t dump Caylee’s body for eight days. He thinks the smell was more tolerable than we imagined, as the plastic bag weighted with Caylee’s body might have acted as a lid (kind of) to seal the smell, but when she moved the bag to dump it, it was like taking the lid off and the intensive, offensive stink was intolerable which is when she ditched the car. I’ll look for the link and post it back here.
Here’s a bit of Bob’s theory along with the link.
Bob said: { Nov 18, 2010 – 01:11:55 }
“Well, after reading and watching some of what has been posted here today and other times, I think my theory is pretty close.
Caylee was murdered on the 16th of June then placed in the trunk. I think on 5the 24th of June is when Caylee was dumped into the woods. It is possible Caylee was dumped prior to the 24th, and may not have been in the trunk at the time of the gas can event? But, the reason I believe Caylee WAS in the trunk on the 24th is this; I believe the smell would have actually gotten worse after Caylee was removed.”
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/11/14/miscellaneous-topics-on-the-caylee-marie-anthony-case-%e2%80%93-part-48/#comment-95673
About 3/4 down the page.
Art, that Hinky link doesn’t sound familiar to me. I love that there’s still quite a few of her blogs that I haven`t read. Thanks. BBL.
Oh. I see she only wrote it two days ago. Embarrassed now.
I believe it it possible the stench could have emitted stronger after the body was disturbed
from its original placement in the trunk. Good thought to consider. Could never get it out
my head about the day TL was there re gas cans, etc. Casey would not allow George to
get near the car and also insisted on putting the gas in the tank herself, prompting TL to
move farther away. To me her behavior those two times indicate Caylee was then in the trunk.
I think she was in the trunk on those two days, but she was in plastic garbage bags…two of them. If the bags were tied tightly, the odor might not have been as bad as when she moved them and spilled the fluid into the trunk. Once that happened, the odor, IMO, became overwhelming.
Bees Knees, LOL! I agree, that Bardem is a good looking man, & married the beautiful & talented & also Oscar winner, Penelope Cruz & expecting a baby! KUDOS to the newly weds! Love the Coen brother’s too, all great entertainers.
Yep Bees, I lost my only sibling, my sister, 9 yrs. to the date my mom passed. It brought me to my knees. You are exactly right, KC will never know the broken heart one feels at the loss of family, & KC murdered her child never showing any remorse or concern. I have decided that KC isn’t capable of loving someone more than herself. The world is a better place without KC producing any more children or having the ability to harm anyone else.
Bees, the link I listed & Val’s comment was in reference to someone that was “reaking havoc on this blog for weeks, mostly when you were away. Val addressed her politely 3 or 4 times & the commentor, which is a regular here, said, “take your factoids & stick um up your hemmroids!” Bees, I have never laughed so hard. I didn’t mean for you to read the thread if you didn’t follow that story, just read what Val wrote. Priceless.
Thanks for the link, I am going to check it. Everyone has contributed plausible ideas, & I certainly agree, WHEN Caylee was moved, there was possibly “spillage” & for all the “smart KC thought she was,” she didn’t know a damn thing about decomp, & for that, I am greatful.
Caylee’s spillage, imo, “created evidence that will nail her murdering mother” to the wall. BB & Frankie, are both right, imo, as well as what Bob contributed.
Bees, the link I listed & Val’s comment was in reference to someone that was “reaking havoc on this blog for weeks, mostly when you were away. Val addressed her politely 3 or 4 times & the commentor, which is a regular here, said, “take your factoids & stick um up your hemmroids!” Bees, I have never laughed so hard. I didn’t mean for you to read the thread if you didn’t follow that story, just read what Val wrote. Priceless.
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No, I didn`t hear about any of this. I miss everything. Unbelievable!
OK, I found the comment, art tart. What the ±@£¢¤¬¦²? Craziness!
Hi all, well as long as we are tossing out our ideas on the time Caylee was in the trunk, here’s mine.
Caylee murdered in the early morning hours of the 16th.
Brought back to the house on the 18th ( here’s your 2,5 and the hair loss ) where she attempted to bury her in the back yard using neighbors shovel, this also explains the dogs hitting in the back yard area.
Body then bagged and hidden in the playhouse, in a phone call where she speaks with Cindy /it is in a transcript that Cindy said “I think some animal has died in the back yard, your dad is going to check on his day off” (not word for word but pretty close as I recall)
Now, Casey goes back collects the body place’s it back in trunk where it stays until just before she dumps the car.
Haskell said that body fluid purging would have occurred in, 3-4 days from the time death occurred.
Due to the very hot temperatures-over 90 degrees from June 17 to June 20.
Haskell said decomposition fluids were present in the trunk after June 19 Haskell concluded that Caylee’s body was probably removed during the period of June 19-22.
Casey abandoned her car on June 27.
Now, if we use Dr Haskel’s report and his time-frame, then research the life span of the coffin flies we do come up with a pretty tight time-line.
Coffin flies take 25 days to hatch, the coffin fly lays up to 100 eggs on her dead subject. over 750 eggs in her lifetime.
From egg to adult it takes about 25 days to metamorphose depending on the species.
The larvae will emerge from the egg within 24 hours, feed for 8 to 16 days and then pupate into an adult anywhere from 14 to 37 days.
Per Dr Haskels report, “decomposition fluids” were discovered on the carpeting of the trunk, an additional source for attracting the flies as well as the same fluids found on the paper towels in a trash bag.
Haskell surmised that the paper towels were used in an attempt to clean the decomposition fluids from the carpet, “purged” from Caylee’s remains
Oh, and the dead flies in the trunk also explains the bug spray compounds found.
If you use all the police reports, and test reports the puzzle pieces fall into place and the time-line takes you right back to June when Casey was free and living her beautiful life.
Just an FYI: rigor mortis will begin to set in 2-4 hours after death and stay in place up to 36 hrs (again environment & individual case dependant), primary rigor is STIFF, the ability to manipulate the body is almost impossible without breaking/damaging it. Professional recovery techs from the ME’s office have a difficult time placing a decedent in a strong body bag, I can’t imagine inmate anthony manipulating Caylee’s body into a traditional floppy bag without some serious difficulty! Perhaps she did NOT “package” her until the latic acid diminished and the body becomes flaccid but then she would be dealing with a major purge.
Oh Boy, That is interesting Joypath, I had no idea about the process of rigor mortis. I guess that’s why when one passes they are in a hurry to get them to the mortuary for whatever they do. Oh my, any possibility Casey broke Caylee’s bones to get her into that laundry bag, the one other than the plastic one which she could probably stretch and pull around Caylee’s body. The scene of possibilities just does not stop.
Joypath,
In young children especially in a warm climate rigor mortis onset develops more quickly and is not as severe as an adult. It resolves faster, 9 to 12 hours due to lower muscle mass and temperature causing purification to accelerate. I would guess that rigor wasn’t as pronounced and resolved much faster due to the temperatures in June. It is my opinion that it would have been fairly easy for Casey to put Caylee in the plastic bags especially since she was only approximately 35 to 40 pounds. Not knowing when she actually put her in the bags, she may have done it when she noticed the purging or immediately after death. I am not sure we will ever know exactly.
BB,
FYI, the autopsy report did not show that there were any broken bones or physical trauma to the remains except for some animal gnawing of the bones..
Joypath, I believe she was dealing with major purge, which accounts for the stain that remained and the bug evidence after Cindy’s attempt to clean it up. Grave wax was found on napkins, I believe, which may indicate that Casey made some attempt to clean up the mess prior to abandoning the car. Far fetched as it may be, I tend not to believe that Caylee was packaged prior to Casey backing the car into the garage. JMO
art tart said, on November 14, 2010 at 1:04 pm
Art, most sincerely, I join you in your prayers that a cure is found, and share your grief in the loss of your mother. Thank you for keeping her near you.
WARNING Graphic, not for the weak stomach’s.
If you set aside emotions do not think of the body as a once beautiful child, do not become caught up in the defense side show, then science and logic will tell the story.
Death follows a precise time line, the body reacts to death in set stages.
At the moment of death the heart stops, the skin tightens and becomes a sick gray color, the muscles relax, the body purges its self of waste
unless outside temperature is a factor, the body will drop its temperature 1.5 degrees per hour
Within thirty minutes the skin begins to turn purple and have a waxy appearance.
As blood begins to pool to the lowest body parts the lips turn pale, and a dark black stain appears in the pooling area, the hands & feet turn blue, the eyes begin to sink deeper into the skull.
Within four hours rigor starts to set in, the skin continues to turn purple as the blood continues to pool downward.
Rigor begins to tighten the muscles for another 24 hours, then will reverse and the body will become limp.
The body now is at the temperature of its surroundings, (note that the temps in June were ranging 90 degrees, inside the trunk of a car add 15 to 20 degrees )
the head and neck have now turned a blueish green color, that continues to spread across the body.
there is now a smell of spoiled meat to the body, the face is distorted and no longer resembles the person.
After 3 days large blisters form on the skin from the gases in the body, bloating occurs the body swells grotesquely ( note that if the body is in a hot environment this process is speeded up)
Fluids begin to seep from the body openings, the smell of decomp is now strong
The skin now can easily pull away from the body, as does the hair, finger and toe nails.
The skin cracks and opens due to the pressure of gasses and the breakdown of tissue.
Decomposition continues until there is nothing but the skeleton, this can happen to an adult body in a month in hot climates, water also speeds up the decomposition process, then add the insects and animals involved, Caylee’s body mass when alive I estimate she weighed maybe 30 pounds so by the time Casey was arrested in July Caylee had long been reduced to bones.
beginning of your book?
Judy, you forgot to post the link to your source.
http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Death/Stages.html
Thanks Whoops! — thought perhaps Judypc was “auditioning” a portion of the book she sasy she is going to write! Sourcing is always important.
Sorry Whoops the source was “the science of death”
Not sure if there is a web site, but I would guess there is one.
And Casey was driving around with that in the back of her car !! That says alot about her mental state and her ability to lie , even to herself, as she cruised around with a rotting corpse in her trunk. Even George had trouble driving the car home. Yet Cindy,like casey, had no problem going into that trunk and trying to clean it up for lil’ Casey. That also says alot.
Doug, Dr. Haskel said there was still a strong odor of death 6 months later when he examined the car, and this was after the carpet lining had been removed.
I would venture to guess the car still has an odor.
Thanks so much Whoops! said, on November 20, 2010 at 12:59 am for your additional information and as noted, that was an overview of the death process but I write from experiences in the field. One of the situations which will strengthen the rigor process is the increase of latic acid by the individual before death, vigorous struggling/fighting/crying/attempting to get away from an aggressor by a victim has been shown to cause muscle stricture.
BB: the damage to Caylee’s bones was post mortem and done ONLY by animals so the perp waited until rigor passed OR as so have hypothesized concealed her from the git go (not my theory). Standard practice is to reassemble the skeleton and then perform a full body x-ray, localizing studies as needed. And regarding transport, yep that’s part of the reason or else one must “massage” the limbs to fit. (Don’t ask!)
Tango: In total agreement regarding the amount of purge. For those uninitiated, turning a body/moving a body without muscular control is a RUDE awaking regarding the biological fluids that emerge. Even with the oral cavity secured, other “open” areas of the face and head will extrude fluids and that tape was not a fluid tight seal. NOT going to get any more graphic but….
As mentioned in the excellent source from Judypc, the decomposition process is completely biological and as such is environmentally controlled thus no case is a mirror image of each other but falls within the parameters of scientific measurement of controlled variables (ie. time, temp, humidity, age, gender, physical condition, etc).
Doug W: You hit the head on the nail regarding the “fortitude of ignorance of reality” (my terms to describe the inmate) as she WAS driving around with HER CHILD turning into a death soup of organic matter and bones! The amazing fact that those plastic bags were not punctured is due to the laundry bag.
Judypc: My best estimate: the car is still giving off a bit of eau du morte BUT those carpet samples hermetically sealed in the silver, never before used, gallon size, “paint” cans are pungent to say the least!
This discussion is turning my stomach. I just don’t see how Casey could have driven around with a mess like that in the trunk of her car. I’d have been blowing chunks out the window. She’s one sick individual.
joypath:
There’s one thing I have never been able to reconcile in my mind perhaps you could shed a bit of light into this dark cobwebbed corner of my mind.
We know the car smelled horrid, we know items in said car absorbed said odors.
Now, what has always stuck in my thoughts was, with her being in that car wouldn’t she have had an odor as well?
I have never been able to figure out how someone did not get at least a passing whiff on her, she must have packed one heck of a perfume to mask that.
Afternoon friends,
Tango, thank you so much for your prayers & my appreciation to other’s for their thoughts & prayer’s, the business of dying is a painful journey but with prayer’s from friends, it is manageable.
Joypath, what a pleasant surprise that you are sharing your knowledge & thanks for the information on rigor. My mom died at home last Sat. night, & the process of the Coroner coming, & then the body releasted to the funeral home took a long 5 plus hours. The Funderal Home ask me if my mom was always so stiff, & I didn’t know what they were talking about. Thanks.
I am going back to reading everyone’s contributions, they sound interesting.
mixologist74, I too are “faint at heart” but KC seems to have be without any remorse.
BBL
Back early on I had a conversation with one of my sources that theorized that the nightmares Casey had at Tony’s was the result of her opening the trunk and seeing the grotesque state the body was in after 24 hours of decomp had taken place.
Casey most likely did not realize that a body that had not been prepped for a funeral home viewing would be different, and the sight she in reality saw gave her nightmares.
Oye! What a conversation. But learned quite a bit. It sickens me that that POS drove around with her little girl decomposing in the trunk of her car and the family first claiming it was a smell of decomposition and then turning around and denying, denying, denying that odor in the car to cover up the fact that they knew Casey had killed their granddaughter and drove around with her dead body in the car.
Hi judy. I have that same question: Didn’t Casey reek of decomp?? BUT she dumped Cayle~when?~ after 2-3 days (or longer?), which would be the 19-20th of June then the car at Amscot on the 27th of June (and it was towed on the 30th). So if the car still has the odor NOW (?) she MUST have reeked!!
Judy, I hope she has that nightmare for the rest of her life! The sight and the smell!
art tart: my sincere condolences for your loss (actually my gratitude for sharing that the darkest days give way eventually to some future) and the strength that you received from those special people in your life. The conversations of professionals within any field are often significant to THEM and baffling to others but at an emotional time, those types of comments become part of a puzzle with pieces that may NEVER fit into place!
To all: The inmate and her essence of decomp would be noticeable IF she had become saturated with it as in direct, constant aerosolized or immersed contact. In the beginning of the decomposition process as the fluid was contained, very little air exchange would be going on within the external trunk/car, therefore the level of odor would be faint. Remember also that the air exchange rate was occurring under the process of the car’s AC filtration/or windows and doors and the inmate was NOT “living” within the vehicle’s trunk area. NOW the essence of the decomposition odor DOES stay “in one’s nose” unless one takes the precaution of applying a menthol product (skip generic, use Vicks!) and if the decomposition process is extremely advanced within an enclosed environment and one has the misfortune of remaining in situ for an extended period (say the rookie cop waiting for a very busy ME or ME investigator on a hot hot Friday night), well plan on sending THAT uniform to the cleaners ASAP! My guess, she did not reek IN THE BEGINNING and as the time frame advanced along with the scent and decomp, she showered & changed more frequently, more perfume than usual and kept her distance as SHE had a heightened sense of her “smell” rather than what she did smell. SNICKER (she did know about the Vicks trick, guess she missed THAT point when watching her “FAV” tv show csi!)
Remember also that if she removed Caylee’s corpse and assumed that by cleaning the car she eliminated all the “problems”, she had NO IDEA that she was increasing the bacterial & fungal environment by ADDING dampness to registered owner Cynthia Marie Anthony’s Pontiac trunk! Now the inmate had created a NEW science project which would be odoriferous also!
Wow, joypath, you know your stuff! Not the most pleasant conversation to be having, but unfortunately this is all part of the murder of little Caylee. It honestly makes me shudder.
Thanks Joypath, I just can not imagine that at some point someone did not notice her rather strange air, and say Casey YOU STINK!!
She must have gotten out of the car and made a bee-line for the shower, no hello kiss, no idle chit chat, excuse me gotta shower…..
Also, that kind’a explains her going to Jesse’s and taking a shower, he said “she looked fresh, like she did not need a shower”
Now that you have swept away the cobwebs that begs the next question in the puzzle box.
After she dumped caylee’s body she had to REEK no way around it.
Where did she go clean up?
I’m guessing hopesprings drive.
joypath! Just fascinating. My husband, now deceased was a physician & we used to talk about “olfactory fatigue,” the scent you become accustomed to when other’s detect it immediately. Example, my daughter smokes & I always comment that her clothes stink when she comes by everyday & “she thinks I’m crazy!” I remind her she is “used to the odor.”
In the beginning of decomp & when the scent is just beginning, is it possible to be accustomed to some of the scent until it becomes intolerable & you dump your car? It makes perfect sense about KC “primping & bathing more than usual.” I hope I never have the displeasure of smelling decomp!
joypath, IF KC bagged little Caylee in double bags soon after death & tied them shut even though they later leaked, “would this expedite the decomp process as it would seem the heat would be more intense in a closed bag?”
joypath, thanks for your contributions, we are here to share & learn & you certainly help us understand what poor little Caylee went through. thanks!
judypc, interesting you mentioned Jesse. Rev. Grund “threw a fit & was upset w/Jesse for allowing KC into his apt. to take a shower for fear she was stealing things to leave w/Caylee’s remains to implicate Jesse.” Rev. Grund had the ability to see KC for the person she was even though the Anthony’s have tried to “re-create who KC was, Rev G knows what KC is capable of.
WS has a good thread about the “shower KC showed up at Jesse’s to take.” The cell pings have been checked by one of the commentor’s for late at night during the 31 days missing & KC was near or at the remains site, we know she didn’t go back to the Anthony’s late at night during this period. Some think KC went back late at night to possibly leave some of Jesse’s things.” It will be interesting to see what becomes of this.
The thought that little Caylee not only went through her death while watching her mother, Casey’s total disrespect for Caylee’s body in handling and tossing is deplorable.
I have had to dispose of a mouse (animal) dying and the decomposition odor and just the fact it is dead even if no decomposition yet, the way I handle it, shuddering and wanting to get it out of my hands as quick as possible and feeling so infested with the whole process, one can imagine Casey having the highly exaggerated feeling toward little precious Caylee in her attempts to dispose of her. How she could just shake all that off and out of her conscience is beyond me. I wonder if her boyfriend Tony is left with the shudders too knowing she was in his bed after having done all that to Caylee. I would think he probably has a few nightmares too being so close to someone capable of such a crime. You all have so much insight and knowledge, thank you for sharing it.
Back again: It’s my weekend on call and as luck would have it, I had to go to a crime/recovery scene a bit ago. Thank heavens for the a great team of investigators that make our OME run as well as the one in Fla did! Gratuitous Boast over!
art tart: yep, that double bagging was fortuitous for the inmate’s 31 day window. As a homespun example: think what happens when you’re making yeast bread and you cover the bowl, place the bowl near heat in the dark and damp>>>>>HAPPY CANDIDA CRITTERS! well in this particular case, the intestinal bacteria are just overjoyed with the decreased O2, increased H2O, and absolutely no biochemical control from the host organism so it would have become a FREE FOR ALL in that bag for those microscopic organisms.
Yep, there can be a tolerance to the smell or even a situation where one’s sense of smell is “burnt out” so to speak. For all we know, the inmate may not have a keen sense of smell after existing in the messy environment of her car before the death.
IIRC, no one has ever asked Mrs. Anthony if any clothing of the inmate was/is missing from her closet, nor was any inventory done when the clothing/bags were retrieved from any of her temporary abodes therefore she might have tossed some clothing into the trash during the 31 day period. That would be one way of ridding one’s self of some “smelly clothing”, for example a blouse that had fluid all over it but not the pants that really didn’t get too wet or didn’t smell “that bad YET”.
With this discussion I also think it clears up the question of when the duct tape was applied.
No way would the tape have attached to the skin after decomp.
Art:
I recall one of the pings placed her in the area where the body was found, wasn’t there also a witness that gave a statement that they believed they saw her car in that area?
I know I have seen this somewhere, but not sure if it was from real police doc’s or if it was blog talk somewhere.
Also, do we know if police ever searched the old empty house near that area, we know Dom Casey searched the outside when he was looking for Caylee’s body.
Joypath:
Also her shoes, if the bags where leaking I believe her shoes would have come in contact with the body fluids.
I can’t see her holding the bags close, I see her more likely holding the bag out away from her to avoid the mess getting on her.
The laundry bag had handles which would have made it like packing a suitcase, but with the amount of body fluids involved it would have leaked through the cloth bag leaving a trail she would most likely step in.
Judypc: Remember she’s carrying 35+/- lbs of sloshing amorphous material within those bags and they stink. More than likely she’s managed to damage the outer bags in some manner as she removes them from the trunk, perhaps damages them further as she tries to move the death package into the dump site. I hypothesize that her anger level is rising, she’s probably screeching against Caylee that she caused this mess, how she’s inconvenienced her and then transferring her anger to Cindy in the same manner, collected an enormous amount of rage and tossed the bags. By the grace of GOD, that child’s remains did NOT hit a tree or a huge rock and shatter her bones and by the due diligence of the investigators of the State of Florida, she was permitted to be essentially returned to her mortal essence.
Yep, those shoes would have become a squishy mess if the bag was depositing fluids and tissue/or the fluid intermixed with the swamp flora. YUCK!
Even “fluid proof” body bags are handled with care by dieners since no product is 100% “water-tight” that has a zipper so just extrapolate how carefully the death package would have to be carried to avoid fluid overflow in this case!
Many thanks, and in no specific order to judypc, art tart, Doug W, mixologist74, joypath, BB, Bees, frankie Tango and LNY for bringing this blog back to a sense of reason and and a forum for discussion in a manner that is civil and productive. Though we may never have the answers, it is fair to speculate, surmise and have our own opinion of the circumstances of this, without a doubt the most perplexing case we have ever witnessed. I can only hope that it continues on the same path. Now I must engage in watching the Andrea Bocelli Christmas Special on PBS. With that I leave you tonight with a song so dear to my heart by Andrea Bocelli and Sarah Brightman.
Time To Say Goodbye
morning friends, YOU ROCK joypath ~! You provide “unique information that we have to research but the funny thing about research, we have more questions & we kick it around here. Thank you so much for “educating us” as I find this so interesting as I follow many muder cases, & was sickened by poor Laci/Conner Peterson’s remains when they washed ashore..! LOL! You have such an interesting job, to think you Knew all about CSI & their workings before CSI TV made it known to most & before it was COOL! I love all involved at a Crime Scene, they are there to be the “voice for the victim’s,” GOD Bless you for your work!!
Great Analogy with yeast bread! joypath! I have one more question! While sitting at the Funeral Home last Sunday & reading the price list, I noticed that IF a body wasn’t “embalmed within 24 hours, HUGE charges were added every day until it was done.” (they mentioned refrigeration.) What is “embalmed from a dead body combined with the bloating/bacteria, etc., is that what creates the horrendous smell & is that WHY the Funeral Homes embalm immediately? Seems to make sense! thanks.
I live in Louisiana & everyone knows the trouble we had after Katrina. joypath, my husband was a “Deputy Coroner.” NOW, when you pick out a coffin, an additional cost of $ 1,000.00 is now added for a VAULT that the coffin is put in. After Katerina, bodies were found floating for months, coffins came to the surface, opened, & many remains were distributed where the flood waters took them. Even with ABOVE some of the above ground burials sights washed away due to the force of the water. NOW every casket is locked with a Serial Number on the casket, then it is put in a Vault.
WHEN the dogs hit in a couple of places in the backyard, is it possible the Wet Vac that CA cleaned the trunk with was dumped there? bondjamesbond had a theory I read months ago at WS that he thought the “sprayer on the hose came in contact with DECOMP and when the hose was laid in different locations, the dogs hit there.
Anybody have any thoughts?
Whoops, so glad you are here & sharing with us!
BB, I too have a weak stomach when physically disposing of something that has died or is dying. I gag, whine, cry & resort to having my son do it!
judypc, I would like to come visit your blog, may I please have the address? I agree, the cell pings in addition to the 31 days, the lies, etc., will be KC’s undoing. I can’t wait to see the timeline the STATE has prepared during trial!
Art this is the public blog open to all where I posted a lot of pic’s and info.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/
and this is the addy for the private site, if you sign up for there just let me know and I will unlock the door for you.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/619996/
Greetings and salutations, all! My one and only desire is to TRY to educate and clarify, to deal with fact vs conjecture if & when possible exactly as I do in real life! Yep, I’ve made more than one member (including hubby!) of LE ticked off when he/she was so darn sure that “we got ‘em dead to rights for the homicide” only to break the news that the MOD wasn’t a homicide! and embarrassed and mortified a few in my time also, so it has evened out!
art tart said, on November 21, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Yes, I DO remember Katrina! Our DMORT team answered the call of service to help down there, what a nightmare but what amazingly gracious people in the middle of a disaster! The human spirit of kindness and fellowship was alive, hope it remains so. The “sleuthers” and collective mindsets on WS are phenomenal and attempt to conduct themselves with dignity within the realm of reality, that said, YES the probability of the cadaver dogs hitting of any discharge from decomposition fluid no matter how diluted from the car via a wet vac is possible. My question would then rise: why did the dog (s) not “follow” the gravitational flow of the discharge? Why did the animal (s) not seek out the primary vessel? And now going beyond my area of specialty!
Isn’t science wonderful…..ask a question, get an answer and many more questions! AH, the perpetuity of work!
Vick’s is your friend, so long as you apply it in a great dollops directly to each nostril and don’t try to apply it to cotton balls and shove those up your nose! Do that and you’ll have to breathe through your mouth, and the only thing worse than the smell of decomp is the taste of decomp, though it stays in your nose a whole lot longer than it accosts your taste buds. Denyne ICE, the peppermint flavor, neutralizes that to a great extent. In fact, chewing Dentyne ICE and packing your nose with Vick’s is, by far, the best course of action. In my opinion. lol
Joypath:
If you do not mind to do so I would like to revisit our conversation about the shoes.
I went into my evidence photo’s after we talked about the shoes would likely be soaked, now, my question is.
Would the decomp fluids eat away at the inner shoe lining?
I have to think the acids in the bodily fluids would since it dissolves the flesh of the body.
I have an evidence photo which shows shoes in Casey’s car, one is clearly damaged on the inside padding, I realize we have not seen a report done on any testing, but I have to think we have in reality seen perhaps 50 % of any real evidence the State has in their coffers.
If you would like to see the shoe in question,I have it posted at this link.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/message/1266253529/car+evidence
I have placed a lot of info as far as photos and such there maybe we can pick out some for other topics.
Judy, are you referencing the shoe in exhibit 12, on the link you provided?
Could it be that Cindy was selective in what items she removed from the car, anticipating the possibility of an investigation?
The slacks had to go, that was a given. They stunk. But what of the shoes and the doll? Could it be that she became so overwhelmed by the stench and the probability of Caylee’s demise that she abandoned her initial intention of completely emptying out the car?
It’s obvious from George’s statements made to Simon Burch that at least he was convinced Caylee was dead. He and Cindy would have discussed this. Do we have cell phone records that would indicate George and Cindy conversed on the way home from the tow yard? A lot could have been said during that drive from the tow yard to their place of residence.
Under the circumstances, it seems so rather odd that either of them would have returned to work after retrieving the car, knowing as they did that Casey was alive but Caylee was dead.
All that George and Cindy did indicates that they knew Caylee was in the stench and the decomp, and from the beginning their only intention was to cover for Casey.
It sickens me to the core to think they cared so little for that little girl, and chose to exonerate the monstrous, sociopath daughter, they created.
Only in so doing could they excuse themselves of that awfully faulty parenting that led to Caylee’s death.
Tango:
Yes #12.
It is odd that Cindy cherry picked on what she removed from the car.
Myself, I would have taken a trash bag and everything would have gone from car to trash.
She attempted to clean the trunk liner, yet she left a bag of trash that she later tries to say was the source of the odor due to the pizza box.
If you honestly believed that, wouldn’t you remove what you deemed the source?
The pants she removed that were washed in my mind were likely what Casey wore when she dumped Caylee and they were tainted with the body fluids.
Of course, we will never know because Cindy protected her daughter and removed the evidence.
Judy:
That’s what I find so mysterious, that she didn’t empty out the car when she took such great care to rid the slacks of evidence and the trunk liner.
Does the shoe look like it could have been scrubbed to you and put back in the car? Why only one and not both? Are there any cleaning fluids on the shoe?
Weren’t the napkins that contained the grave wax found in the trash bag?
Great questions and the absolute answers are within the anthonys “minds”….not a place I’m going to travel! Regarding the effects of decompositional body fluids and the shoes: the components of the fluid are biological and are waste products of the destruction of the biological organism by other biological organisms so while there is some acid, the PH is not “sizzle and burn metal” level. Perhaps the hypothesis that a mechanical means of cleaning was attempted is the answer or perhaps those shoes are just plain worn out to nastiness, the heels are significantly higher than what I’d wear for “swamping”. If the inmate WAS tottering around in those and carrying a 35+ lb bulky death package, she would have drawn attention to herself!
Again washing any and all of the articles that cam in contact with any celluar material of Caylee could/would remove her DNA or at least denature it if a phosphate substance was use in the washing process (ie the pants). And again, by the time the child was declared AH HEM “missing”, 31 very very valuable days had passed; days where the evidence was becoming “contaminated” by the environment as in temperature and humidity, NOT contaminated by acts of human willfulness as alleged by a defense mind set.
Tango said, on November 22, 2010 at 11:49 am:
IIRC the napkin (s) with the adipocere WAS found within the trash bag that had been within the trunk. That was the same bag that was tossed before George drove the vehicle back to the house and the clean-up began. Again from memory, LE recovered that bag ASAP after George told them about it being in the car. (There’s NO WAY I’m suffering thru George’s interview today!)
joypath, I seem to remember it also as you recall. OMG! My head would explode if “I had to suffer through Gas Can George’s interview also!” I find it so interesting that “decomp is so strong that it sounds that even if CA “dumped wet vac fluids in the backyard, the dogs would hit on the spots.” joypath, LOL, I am too fascinated by the use of “lymenol,” (probably not remotely spelled correctly.) I wonder if they used that in KC’s trunk also.
I bet Anthony’s had to “POOP in their pants” when they saw those dogs hit in their backyard. I am resigned that there will be many things we will not absolutely know, as long as there is JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE I can live with it. Ashton/Burdick imo, will come close to providing some of the answers.
Tango, I agree, I found it odd that the Anthony’s went back to work, BUT, CA SENT GA back to work first, after all, imo, he is the “weakest link” in the whole dishonest bunch. Though he would be able to tell CA how to clean out the car, he seems pretty useless otherwise, a mental midget imo. CA seems to have “shared a lot of personal information with her peers & boss at Gentevia.” Going back to work ”
created an alibi for CA that she wasn’t home cleaning out the car.” It seems “CA was out of control a lot at work, seeking “common sense solutions to her problems, she always had the answers she was seeking.” “Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda, I try not to think about WHAT could have been done for little Caylee before KC murdered her. jmo.
judypc, GREAT photos at your link! Thanks for bringing up the shoes, I need to re-read the information on them, but I hadn’t thought about them alot. I tried to register at your site but was unsuccessful. If you have any more instructions for me, let me know. thanks.
Soooo…is it possible that my theory is correct. casey murdered Caylee very early on the 16th, backed into the driveway on the 18th, (2.5 days hair falls out), packages her and straps the plastic bags very, very tightly. Drives around for 6more days (June 24) gas can day. Odor possibly not overwhelming due to being in two heavy duty sealed bags. After an narrow escape (gas can day) she dumps the body on the 24th and in the effort to remove a horrendous, stinky mess spills decomp in the trunk. The car THEN becomes unbearable and she gets rid of it by the dumpster?
She went to Jesse’s, IIRC, on July 1 AM AND, if I am not mistaken, cell phone pings put her in the vicinity of Johnsons Tow Yard on July 31…the day after the car was towed. Could she have gotten into Johnson’s to remove something from the trunk late that night and possibly taken it into the shower with her to clean it?
During the 8 days she was dealing with the death mobile (June 16 through June 24 if my theory is correct), she would have gotten “home” to Tony’s when no one else was there…ample time to clean herself of odor. I doubt seriously she worried about disposing of her clothes in some odd dumpster here and there….after all, she had mommy dearest’s credit cards to replace anything she threw away!
Joypath, Art, Judy,
I’m stuck on the shoes! Why are they on the back seat and not on the floorboard? Is that the position they were in when the car was confiscated? Why does the toe area of the one look more than worn but the heal area nor the heal itself does not, unless Casey suffered from a severe case of toe rot, it appears to me that something happened to it in that particular area. I’m thinking more along the lines of spillage or blood splatters that had to be resolved, but had that been the case Cindy would have disposed of them quickly.
Art, but for Cindy I think that George would have dumped on LE within the first week. I sincerely hope all is well with you, and that your heart knows more joy than sadness.
Tango:
Since those are evidence photo’s I am assuming that is where the shoes were when the police took the car.
The way the shoe is damaged caught my eye after Joypath and I conversed about how we believed her shoes would have come into direct contact with the decomp fluids.
My thoughts are that the acid’s involved in the decomp process is what may have caused the lining of the shoe to be so degraded.
But we must be aware that as yet there has been no official report to support this idea.
Frankie:
You and I are on the same thought train as to the time frame on the 2.5 days and the events leading up to when she dumped the car.
Tango: I also have the evidence photos of the paper towels taken from the trash bag on the same site, as well as the doll that was removed from the car, and other items taken from the wooded area.
Also, the transcript of Simon Birch from the tow yard, which is much easier than reading any of the A’s statements.
It was Birch if memory serves me correctly that called police the next morning to tell about the bag he threw away, and discovered police had already recovered it.
here is the report & photos of the back yard areas the dogs hit on, for those figuring that puzzle out
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/message/1266165399/Orange+County+Sheriff%27s+Office+Forensics+Report+01-01-09-with+evidence+photos
Here are the photos of the paper towels, this adding to our decomp conversations
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/message/1266254644/Paper+towels+taken+from+car+with+DNA+%26amp%3B+Decomp+on+them
This is a grid of the wooded lot showing how spread out the bones were and where each bit of evidence was located
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/message/1266252376/grid+of+dump+site
notable passages in Caylee Anthony autopsy report:
The clustering of vertebrae at the scene separate from the location of the bags and skull indicate animal activity occurring at this location after decomposition started, but before complete disarticulation of the skeleton.
This indicates the body was put in this location prior to complete skeletonization.
The roots growing into the vertebrae and bags indicate that the body was placed there months prior to being found.
There is nothing inconsistent with the body being placed there soon after the date of being last seen alive.
The skull was initially received in a separate paper bag with duct tape over the lower portion of the face, with the tape still attached to some of the scalp hair.
A large portion of the scalp hair was in a mat under the skull.
The mandible was still in its approximate anatomic location in spite of complete skeletonization.
Examination of the skeleton reveals an almost complete skeleton of a young child with only multiple small bones missing.
Examination of the skull reveals no evidence of antemortem trauma.
The bones had to have been decomposed and scattered prior to the leaves falling and covering up the bones during the fall season of 2008.
“According to Dr. David Hallthere were a number of red maples in the area which would have produced a high leaf fall during autumn.”
Dr. Hall stated that the leaf fall would definitely occur by November and possibly as early as October depending on the temperature.
Tango,
I agree, LE/FBI would have “broken GA” in the beginning of the case if they could have kept him away from CA. That Gas Can George is not bright, imo, & it seemed to be in the initial interviews, GA was upset, he was realizing what had happened, he talked about KC lying, but when the “control freak CA got a hold of GA,” Judge Pirro said CA “circled the wagons.”
Art:
Mercy, its about darn time.
Finally someone is asking for answers, lets hope the judge feels the same way.
Judy, I am indebted to you! Thank you for posting the links!
JudyPc, thank you! I’m going to access the links now and will no doubt be a while.
Art, she circled the wagons after whipping the horses.
Hi all: JUST FOR Discussion: In the beginning, folks in my office (yeah, I got the “gang” hooked on this case as a “teaching tool”; no shame on my part!) hypothesized that PERHAPS GA thought the inmate MIGHT have been tangled up with some nasty characters and the odoriferous smell wasn’t either Anthony girl but a set up by some bad guys. Yeah, the benefit of the doubt was reigning supreme oh so many miles away from Fla! Reality check occurred when the inmate clammed up like a Quahog AND the Universal trip, 31 days, cell phone story etc began public!
joypath said, ————– appreciate your post, but I am not following what ur intimating…. especially re: the odoriferous smell ….
Just in case nobody else saw this, the jaw bone found in Aruba, is NOT Natalee Holloway’s.
mixologists74, THANKS! I was hoping, for Beth Holloway that it would have been Natalie’s as she knows Natalee is dead & she would see where Yoran disposed of her.
joypath! LOL! Remember when Gas Can George screamed that “Maybe the dead body in my daughter’s trunk was not my grand daughter’s!” (not exact quote but from memory) (GA snapped, was screaming at media!)
CA yelled, “Maybe someone else put a body in KC’s trunk at the Tow Yard! Did you ever think of that?” (LOL! CA, imo, has ALWAYS “overestimated her intelligence & underestimated the intelligence of the public!”
joypath, yep, sounds like a seed the Anthony’s were trying to plant. The suicide note was never released BUT I have read several times that “GA thought the friends KC was running with were scumbags.” Also it contained information about CA & D Casey, the rumor of the affair.
Hazaka, Odoriferous smell = Smell of Decomp.
Excellent Timeline of Events in KC’s case from the beginning, shared by Blogger Friend “Ann TX. I refer to the timelines a lot because the case has gone on so long. Valhall, Hinky Meter too has a good time line too.
Timeline link shared by Ann – TX from Hinky Meter:
http://www.cfnews13.com/casey-anthony-timeline
I guess I had a Brainfart, If interested in Time Line, try this link. Thanks.
http://www.cfnews13.com/casey-anthony-timeline
Quite the discussion going on here.
Joypath, I’ve been loving your comments. Thanks for the education. We are so fascinated with the scientific evidence and I have learned so much by watching this case. The science really is incredible.
Things continue to go downhill for the defence as Caylee’s little voice is being heard more often lately. The duct tape can’t stop her from telling us what happened much longer. Gee, they’re not having nearly as much fun as they’d hoped for, are they? And now hopefully we’ll learn about the money trail as long as Perry grants the State’s request. I’ve been waiting for someone with a legal background to predict how the judge will rule on Monday. I did read RH’s opinion but I’m hoping we’ll hear from Mr. Sheaffer and others. NeJames been quiet lately, huh?
Have you heard the scathing remarks Tim Miller said about the anthonys? I’ll find them and paste them here in case anyone missed them.
I’m just pasting part of a comment made by a regular Hinky blogger, Ann – TX.
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This video and article is from August 16, 2010 but I missed it somehow.
Snipped from the article:
A lawyer for Anthony’s parents stepped down Monday after seeing some of the search documents, claiming they invalidated part of the defense’s case.
“It’s a circus. It’s a show. It’s to distract everybody from what it’s really about,” Miller said.
He said the search cost him $108,000 and forced him to turn down requests from about 25 families who genuinely needed the help.
Tim also said after the trial he is ready to be done with the Anthonys forever. He also said they are the most cold hearted people in the United States of America.
The best part was when Tim referred to Baez (he did not say his name) as a nobody! LOL
Read the entire article and see the video interview here:
http://www.39online.com/news/local/kiah-anthony-case-story,0,3647249.story
Read all off Ann – TX’s comment here:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/11/22/miscellaneous-topics-on-the-caylee-marie-anthony-case-%e2%80%93-part-49/#comments
Hazaka said, on November 23, 2010 at 8:10 am:
Sorry for the VERY disjointed post this am, typed it “on the fly” and was not at my best (DUH!)! What I was attempting to witness to was the benefit of the doubt that PERHAPS GA & CA might have been TRYING to proffer to the inmate by ASS U MING that their daughter managed to get caught up into some nefarious scheme and Mrs. Anthony’s vehicle was utilized as a transport of a corpse or materials so related. At that point CAYLEE could have truly been in the care of SOMEBODY but as we have come to know, George probably hit the hall of reality when the inmate REFUSED to provide ANY realistic data regarding CAYLEE to ANY member of LE.
Every case we handle in the office is managed in somewhat the same manner: go with the data provided and then try the “what if” scenario to r/o possibilities but no matter what the issue is, REALITY is the cornerstone of the investigation, facts are the guidelines and they formulate the testimony in court. A gentle reminder to all that it is within reasonable doubt that the decision of guilt or not is made since at least in my field, medicine is an ART and a SCIENCE where 100% is NOT a frequent variable! (there are a few commenters who challenge the scientific specialists’ reporting formats/data sheets/opinion documents as “speculative” when the specialist identifies outliers!).
T/Y art tart regarding the odoriferous smell = decomposition fluid, what I simply meant was there might have been an inkling that “another decomposing body or parts thereof” within the vehicle”.
Bees Knees: Y/W, can ya tell I love to teach (and talk!). Defense attys abhor me when I get to use “plain speak” from the stand!
joypath ———- thank you so much for taking the time to explain!
I never seem to have much to add and do so enjoy everyone’s conversations.
So i would just like to wish you ALL a VERY HAPPY THANKSGIVING~!
BB — over the time — I’ve enjoyed whatever you’ve said ……. and — enjoy ur turkey day ——
How sad, Tim Miller says he will “NEVER” step foot on Florida soil again,” because of the Anthony case.
So, the A’s have ruined other family’s chances of receiving help, wonder how proud they are of that?
Tim say’s they are the “most” cold hearted family in the United States, Tim most of us completely agree with you, and are on your side.
Judy the scathing remarks by Tim Miller were music to my ears. I am so glad that he didn’t hold back. I wish he had never agreed to help that miserable bunch.
Yes, Joypath, you seems like someone who enjoys her work, that’s wonderful. And we reap the benefits.
Wishing all a Happy Thanksgiving ! (That means you too, Craig!)
Ina is vicious. Bald ain’t Beautiful is vicious. I hope WordPress kicks them off. I love Mr. Shaeffer. He’s so bright, and professional. I think the Casey A. trial has gone on far too long, It should have been over months ago. imo
I heard that Cindy Anthony is writing a book. I can’t imagine anyone buying it because of all the obvious lies she has told.
I will not be surprised to hear that Cindy Anthony is writing a book. Due to very obvious reasons, she will require a “ghost writer” to put her thoughts onto paper. Otherwise it would be a mish mash of nonsensical drivel that no one with 1/2 a brain and a modicum of critical thinking skills could even stand to read. Or should I say bother to read? I personally wouldn’t read anything from any member of that family, or their cohorts, or Casey’s attorneys past, present and future, and there have been many attorneys that have jumped on and then off the band wagon as Mr. Scheaffer pointed out.
I think that Jim Lichenstein is producing a reality show starring George and Cindy Anthony that follows them throughout the unimaginable ordeal of having your grandbaby murdered and your daughter accused of being the murderer, facing the DP. I think George and Cindy Anthony have sold their souls to the devil but they gotta put food on the table, right? .
I also would like to add to my opinion, George and Cindy Anthony are NOT unique. Their grandbaby is dead at the hand of their daughter (IMO). They are one more set of grandparents suffering through the ordeal of losing their beloved grandchild to a murdering parent (their own child). It sucks, but it’s reality and it happens way too often.
terrytsk, what ghost writer would even be able to de-code the now famous “anthony Speak”?? LOL And OMG an “Anthony Reality Show”! It certainly would not surprise me in the least!
BTW there has been very informative and great conversation as usual here!
Happy Thanksgiving
And a safe Black Friday.
To keep this on topic; Let’s hope for a wise judge, a good jury and fair justice in this case. And maybe, one day the truth to emerge.
Happy Thanksgiving Mr. Sheaffer, and to all here!
Happy and peaceful Thanksgiving to all….. and you too Ina even tho you dont celebrate the holiday …..
Joypath Said to Bees Knees:
Bees Knees: Y/W, can ya tell I love to teach (and talk!). Defense attys abhor me when I get to use “plain speak” from the stand!
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Joypath, I love someone that is “plainly spoken,” it’s much easier to understand the facts without the “pomp & circumstance or smoke & mirrors,” LOL, I bet you do grate on the “nerves of Criminal Defense Attorney’s” as you “know your stuff & the jury understands your information.”
The STATUS hearing on Monday will be interesting, I know the MOTION filed by the STATE is included to be heard, we will hear if there are “outstanding people left to be deposed by the STATE,” etc. I am sure Baez “will drag into Court anything he can think of, THEN, when he is told by Judge P. that they were NOT there to discuss that matter, Baez will continue to talk w/Judge P rolling his eyes. Mason will sit looking scared “chitless,” imo, when Judge P had to have his clerk look up a “statute for Mason because he was confused & couldn’t remember it, it appears to me Mason sits there looking scared so he doesn’t continue to embarrass himself..” Mason has had an “attitude adjustment,” he is a “different moron in front of Judge P as opposed to the NUT he was in front of Judge S.” LOL! Mason, imo, should have gone on into retirement, he too is in over his head. imo.
I’m wondering what other people think of Ann Finnell. I’m not left with a bad taste in my mouth after listening to her like I am with every other member of the self proclaimed “dream team”. I get the impression that she took on this case for altruistic reasons, not the fame and notoriety that motivated the others. Maybe I’m wrong.
I think she is the only one who might have Casey’s best interests at heart. She’s trying to start from scratch with a 2 year old case that has been shoddily run from the get go. Between Mumbles and Bumbles and the others who jumped ship, or the one who had to resign from the case because he’s no longer allowed to practice law (but he did donate $70,000 to Casey’s defense), she’s got her work cut out for her.
She reminds me of my grandmother. Out of that whole array of attorneys Casey has had she’s the one I would choose if God forbid, I was ever charged with a crime.
Terrytsk, I agree, Finnell doesn’t strike me as offensive as Mason & Baez. Finnell, imo, doesn’t appear feminine to me nor did Lyon’s which is of no importance to the case, both polar opposites of Linda Drane Burdick, but both attorney’s, imo, do or did have KC’s best interest at heart. T Lenamom wrote an article saying it was a loss to KC when Lyon’s left because he felt she was interested in KC’s best interest. imo, Baden & Lyon’s both left, neither left because of the money, imo, they left because of Baez & the mess this defense is in. Poor lawyering has gotten KC facing the DP, even NeJames said a COMPETENT ATTORNEY could have worked a deal for 15 yrs. for KC. It is painful to watch Mason & Baez continue to boast to the media & look like fools, I will be interested to see if Judge P give Baez a butt chewing on Monday.
Kathy Belich has a video piece on HOW THE DEFENSE IS SPENDING TAXPAYER’S MONEY!
http://www.wftv.com/video/25921351/index.html
Belich reports that while Mason told Judge P that Dr. Lee worked for a crate of oranges before, Dr. LEE HAS BILLED FLA. TAXPAYER’S $ 8,000.00 for 3 days work! Dr. Lee said that was 1/2 price.
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HOW IS CASEY’S DEFENSE TEAM SPENDING TAXPAYER MONEY?
http://www.wftv.com/news/25921057/detail.html
MR. SHEAFFER SAID ABOUT THEE SPENDING OF THE DEFENSE:
WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said the defense is playing fast and loose with taxpayer money.
“They’re not spending tax money wisely and using it for fishing expedition,” Sheaffer said.
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The JAC has caught errors in billing with the defense, one was for a recorder that charged $ 1.00 per page more that the defense selected & submitted their bill, adding up to be a substantial amount, the JAC denied the payment.
WHY is it so damn hard for Baez to “follow the rules every attorney plays by, especially when he is asking the taxpayers of Fla. to pay the bills!
Of Ms. Finnell, I saw a women that had a very hard ah ha moment in court, it appeared she was faced with many surprises, it also appeared she was not pleased, and I would venture to guess that she had a good old fashion butt chewing meeting after court that day where she thumped Jose’ for not being up front with her when she joined the team.
I did see a lawyer that knew how to handle herself in court, someone that has experience, and respect for her profession.
I think she has entered into a den of vipers with team Casey, and that will cause problems for her, honestly, I do not expect her to stay on board because I do not get the sense she is willing to play the stupid games the other team members find so easy.
I think the women has scruples, and has battled to get the recognition and respect she has acquired in her profession, and I just can not see her putting it all on the line for Jose’ & Mason.
I believe she will fight for Casey, but she will not be so accepting of her team mates.
judypc, your right, I agree at the last Status Hearing, it was “obvious” Ms. Finnell heard some of the information for the first time, I too agree that Baez/Mason BOTH mis-represented where the case is & the uphill battle.
judypc, it makes me angry how glaringly “incompetent” Baez is, time is running out, & even at this late date, still making bad decisions on KC’s behalf. I think perhaps Mason may leave, imo, he isn’t performing well in Court on knowing even a Statute he wants to argue. There has to be one Death Penalty Attorney aboard, I can’t see that Mason could do the “Penalty Phase” as the DP Qualified Attorney if Finnell left, but I can see Finnell doing the whole job if C Mason left. It seems Finnell wants the Penalty Phase SEPARATE & I guess allow Mason/Baez to keep screwing up.
Finnell should have talked to Lyon’s on the “reality of where the case was” & NOT listened to Baez & Mason. imo, the internal problems Baez has created & expects “seasoned lawyers to straighten them out & continue to LEAD the team is ridiculous.”
I have been reading around the BLOGS on the MOTION Finnell filed, the one to keep Penalty Phase Witnesses PRIVATE. Most seem to think it’s because it may be a relative of GA/CA, I tend to agree. Finnell wants to protect them. I was thinking that if GA/CA get pissed, they can hit the Media & spew more garbage. Baez needs to “try to keep them happy because they are the “only supporter’s of KC.”
Art:
I understand Ms Finnell is having problems getting people to even talk to her, after the mess created by the A’s & Jose’ its little wonder anyone would dare become involved.
Little has been said about about George’s family members, so the hunch about estranged family members sounds very plausible, I would rather expect they will try to get someone from each side of the family, Cindy’s of course will point out Georges flaws and visa- versa,
In the end there will be a tale of poor Casey did not stand a chance, and honestly who can dispute that.
Having said that, I really do not see it making a difference, this is not a petty crime, she chose to take the life of her child, people will not be so inclined to accept that because she may have had a screwed up childhood she is blameless.
Many people have issues in their childhood and do not murder their child.
Casey had choices, many- many choices that would have allowed her to be free, and allowed Caylee to have a life.
IMO people have grown tired of no one accepting responsibility for their actions, and juries have begun to shut those tired excuses down.
judypc,
“Little has been said about about George’s family members, so the hunch about estranged family members sounds very plausible, I would rather expect they will try to get someone from each side of the family, Cindy’s of course will point out Georges flaws and visa- versa,”
Judy, what about Rick Plesea who thinks that Cindy is non compos mentis. I think he can or will shed some light on at least that side of the family and I think he knows more about George Marie than has been reported. What say thee?
Is it thee or thou, anyway it is late. Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving. My tryptophan just wore off. Now I am wide awake.
Hi Whoops, oh I think Rick will have plenty to say, and we all have seen the raking Cindy gave him early on for his speaking.
So far, Cindy’s Mum & Brother Rick have been the only ones that seem to have truth in them, my heart really breaks for Ms. Plesea.
It would not be a surprise to me if the X Mrs George Anthony is also brought in to tell a few words about life as an Anthony.
It seems Casey learned her bad money habits from dear ol Dad, and her lying from Mommy dearest.
All in all life as an Anthony seems to be filled with lies, fantasy, and an over all disregard for anyone other than self.
This link provides a basic explanation of taphonomy in layman’s terms for anyone who is interested. The blurb on page 2 titled “Interactions” gives a hint as to how a taphonomist’s expertise will be utilized in this court case. As we all know Caylee’s remains were reduced to mere bones by the time she was found. Funny my spell check doesn’t recognize the word taphonomy.
http://archlab.uindy.edu/documents/ForensicTaph.pdf
Morning friends, TGIF!
judypc, LOL, it had slipped my mind about the EX-MRS. Gan Can GA until you brought it up, but since you did, I remember hearing or reading about GA’s EX “Brother in Law of the 1st wife in which he called GA a “pathological liar.” (maybe at WS) He had plenty to say. I am concerned that a lot of Rick Pleasa’s information was shared with him through S Pleasa & of course Rick’s personal emails with CA. BUT! S Pleasa can share the information in Court. imo, GA probably acquired a “criminal record when he threw his father through the Plate Glass Window at his car dealership.” GA was probably charged with a physical assault & that’s why he couldn’t continue to work in LE when the family moved to Fla.” Apparently, there are jobs GA can apply for security jobs where he doesn’t carry a gun.
I agree, KC does portray a lot of GA’s poor characteristics but she also emulates CA’s controlling attitude, over estimating her own intelligence, & enjoying being the center of attention as KC does.
Whoops, what a nightmare for the Ohio folks. I really hate it when KC & only KC murdered Caylee, as Chief Beary had said when KC was first arrested, but KC’s lawyer’s want to blame other’s for KC’s behavior & ultimately murdering her child.
judypc is correct, many grow up in horrible conditions & become loving parent’s & succeed in life, though GA/CA aren’t perfect people or parent’s, they didn’t cause KC to murder Caylee.
terrytsk, thanks for the link, Valhall/Hinky did an article awhile back too on “taphonomy” & how the State will use it in KC’s case also, it is in her “library.” I thought the Judge had turned Baez down for this before. May 2011 seemed so far in the distant future when the Court Date was announced, NOW, it seems as the Defense is running out of time.
Remember! Court Hearing on Monday!
Hi art tart and everybody! Are you all feasted out today or do you carry on through the weekend? I know you guys love your Thanksgivings. I’ve visited my American brother at this time of year and seen the goings-on. I believe I even saw big signs in people’s yards with football player’s names on them. Could that be true or did my over-worked imagination add that embellishment? Whatever. I enjoyed the contact high I got from everyone’s energy. Right now as I’m looking out my window there is so much snow falling that it’s almost a complete white-out. It’s the first “real” snow this year. I’m happy to be inside.
About Ann F., I’m not as offended by her as I am with the rest of the Ringling Bros. I don’t get any kind of circus aspirations from her. She seems low-keyed and respectful which is a nice change from the bombastic swaggerings of jose and his closing act, the tongue-struck cheney. And what on earth do they have to be puffed up about anyway? LOL! They have shown their arrogance and stupidity to the country (and some parts of the world) . . . And for what? To defend casey anthony? Ha ha ha . . . What a joke. Isn’t it really something the way so many people who have tried to defend casey have been met with unfortunate circumstances? It’s like they’re hexed the minute they shake the clown’s oily, professionally manicured hand. Heh, heh, heh . . . it will only cost you . . . your SOUL! Heh heh heh . . .
Art tart, on November 25, 2010 at 7:40 pm
WHY is it so damn hard for Baez to “follow the rules every attorney plays by, especially when he is asking the taxpayers of Fla. to pay the bills!
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I know, right? And WHY isn’t Perry insisting that he does? To me that’s the more interesting question. Baez doesn’t have what it takes to be a mature, accountable, respectful lawyer. It’s just not in his make-up. He will never be anything. Cannot happen. We can’t expect any better. BUT . . . Perry is respected and presumably wise and just. So why does he allow both of the clowns to bring their seltzer bottles and big funny shoes into his courtroom and throw pies at the hard-working, very professional Prosecution? Is it really all about the appeals issue? Really? Does that mean from now on in Perry’s courtroom (in future cases) other defense clowns can wear their red rubber noses to court too as long as it’s a DP case? Or are these clowns just special?
BEES KNEES, surely Judge P will “set Baez straight on Monday. Time is running out, it does seem Judge P has been “lax” about allowing the Dumb/Dumber to drag their feet but I keep thinking that Judge P is just watching the dates, warning them at every status hearing & he will not be so understanding when the dates arrive.
There is a good article at Trials & Tribulation I just read about the “harassment of the witnesses, MOSTLY by the investigator for the defense, Jeremy Lyon’s. WHEN will something be done about him?” TIME for action, imo by Judge P. The Defense witnesses are falling apart as the article stated for WESH, Laura B. & Brandon Snow, NOW the Psychic complains of harassment from the investigator!
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(snipet from Trials & Tribulation)
However, I know for sure that two of the defense witnesses, psychic Gale St. John and her daughter, Tamara have been harassed by the defense investigator, Jeremy Lyons. After speaking with Lyons once and essentially saying that she didn’t have anything to offer, Lyons has called her constantly. HERE is a broadcast of Gale’s that talks about the harassment and even plays the audio of one of his phone message.
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2010/11/casey-anthony-mitigation-witnesses-and.html
art tart, I’m sure you’re right. The one thing Perry has reminded everyone of all along is this trial is scheduled to go for May so the defense had better be ready. God, won’t it be great when the time comes that casey is dealt with and is never going to see the light of day again and we can start cleansing ourselves from ever having to consider what the anthonys are doing ever again! I can’t wait to forget I ever heard their names. They are such hypocrites and I think that’s what is so crazy-making about them. After all the times Clown No. 1 conducted interviews and press releases to further contaminate future jurors he has the unmitigated gaul to blame the media and the Prosecution for all the attention!!! It’s weird. It really is. Looking forward to Monday. Gone to check link. Thanks.
The best thing Casey’s defense team could do would be to convince her and her family that she will be found guilty and sentenced to death by a jury and that her best option at this point is to immediately plead guilty and throw herself at the mercy of the court.
The defense team should be ashamed of themselves for pushing this case forward like they have instead of working diligently to secure a plea bargain. Or maybe Bozo is going to wiggle his nose and call in some Nanny to testify—joy—are you the one?
God bless, Kathi Belich, one of a very few reporters with the tenacity to ask the questions that need to be asked. And they’re not making it easy on her but she must know she has the public’s support. In this clip she used a bit of the hearing where Foghorn made the comment that Dr. Henry Lee has had no problem in the past accepting a crate of oranges in payment. HA HA HA!!!
And Mr. Sheaffer had this to say, “They’re not spending the taxpayers money wisely the way they are conducting these wholesale interviews and fishing expeditions.” I’ll say! I wonder if Judge Perry will crack down on those fools tomorrow?
http://www.wftv.com/video/25921351/index.html
Pipkin52, I agree. That would be the best thing for them to do but this is a family that seems to keep choosing the wrong thing to do. But we can always hope that they will see the light I guess. It would definitely be the right decision financially as far as the taxpayers are concerned. I would like to see Perry shed some light on where all those hundreds of thousands of dollars went before their hands were into the taxpayer’s pockets. I’m still not understanding how they got away with that. They act like this was the first time in the history of civilization that a mother was accused of killing her child, and george and cindy act like they’re the only grandparents who ever had to live that nightmare. But the tragic reality is that mothers kill their children every day and everyday that leaves a set of grandparents in the same boat as the anthonys. Nothing special about the anthonys. They’re just low-classed, cold-hearted liars, that’s the only thing “special” about them.
Where did everyone go?
Last week I (and many others who were trying to help me) searched and searched for the video clip of lee asking casey, “Is it like the last time?” If it ever existed, it doesn’t any longer. At least not online. And it did exist because I clearly remember hearing it. And now since yesterday I’ve been looking for the video clip of cindy with Caylee in the swimming pool. This is another one that I know for sure I saw but . . . it’s vanished. I know there was one person on a different blog who was saying they never existed but that is wrong. They DID exist. I wonder what else is gone and I wonder why. Any ideas?
Forget what I just said about the swimming pool video. Found it under a different title. Good night!
Hi Bees, I’m still here! I’ve just been “reading” lately…not commenting much! Will be checking out the hearing today…probably on InSession, I like the commentary by the peeps there, although do not like the commercial breaks.
Hi Linda! Gee, it is quiet in here. I was talking to myself last night. Yep, I’m looking forward to court today. I usually watch on either wftv or wesh. I’m hoping Perry wil set that evil defense team straight for once and for all, although he probably won’t. He gives them chance after chance but nothing seems to change. They keep asking for the moon even when they’ve already been told no.
Do you usually blog at Hinky’s? I can’t figure out how her site works now that she’s gone to her new format.
Does anyone know if the hearing is this morning or this afternoon?
Bees,
I think I know why Val did what she did but it seems like too much clicking around to find anything. I just read there so it is no big deal to me but it looks like her post count is way down because of the new forum. That is a shame.
BTW, did you find the “is this like the last time video”? I watched all the videos of Lee and Casey and couldn’t find it for you. It is there somewhere cause I know I watched it. If I recall it seemed like it was very early in the case and in the one where they were talking in some kind of code. It was a very quick “Casey, is this like the last time” KC quickly said “no” and changed the subject. I wonder if it was redacted from that video for some reason but I would think the Sunshine Law would prevent that. Damn frustrating because I know I saw and heard it.
Hiya Mix! I believe it starts at 1:00. Are you able to watch it?
Mix, 1 PM today
http://www.wesh.com/r/25944758/detail.html
Or here,
http://www.wftv.com/news/25921057/detail.html
Sorry craig.
Hi Whoops! Yeah, I agree about Hinky’s. I’ve always been technically-challenged. I’m okay if I never comment there but I hope I will at least be able to read the articles and that looks like it’ll be easy. I am really looking forward to court today.
No, I was never able to find that quote of Lee’s although many, many people remember hearing it so I trust my own memory. I’m sure I listened to it a few times.
Hey friends! YEP! Today will be a GOOD DAY in Court for those of us that want the Defense to SHOW US THE MONEY!!!!!
jmo, Baez is a proven liar & is unethical! At the beginning, when Dr. Lee joined the “Circus” he said he was “PRO BONO on NG!” NOW that the taxpayer’s are “picking up the bill for the mess of Defense that Baez has made, Dr. Lee has BILLED $ 8,000.00 & claimed that was 1/2 price!” OUTRAGEOUS! SO! Still waiting to read $ 8,000.00 worth of what ever Dr. Lee has done!
I never understood WHY Judge S didn’t show the Fla. Taxpayer’s exactly WHAT Baez did with $325,000.00 for a bunch of failed MOTIONS! imo, KC may not be able to claim “ineffective counsel when the verdict comes down,” BUT, imo, she will claim “mismanagement of HER money!” The money was “always KC’s,” not Baez’s, & if he is as incompetent in his record keeping as he is in his court appearances, he is in big trouble! jmo.
Whoops, I know, it’s curious to think anyone would have pulled that video for any reason (like you say with the Sunshine Laws) ~ I wonder if there was something else on the tape they wanted to keep quiet. I just don’t know. I can’t remember what else it might have had on it, can you? Do you remember it being a phone call or a jail visit? You’re exactly right about their coded conversations. They were hilarious cause the whole tone of their voice changed when they were being sneaky and you immediately could tell! I especially liked it when casey said, “Don’t worry. I haven’t said anything.” And she said it in a happy sing-song voice as though that might make it sound more innocent and people wouldn‘t realize they were talking about “something.” HA HA HA!!! Such a family of liars but they are so bad at it!
Hi art tart. Did you watch Kathi B’s last report? She actually replayed the “crate of oranges” remark. It was hilarious! We can always count on Kathi. Where do you usually watch the hearings?
Bees, if memory serves me correctly the “is this like the last time statement” came from a phone call just after Casey was arrested the first time, it may be in that first call where Casey wanted Tony’s phone number, I think the ones speaking on that call was Cindy first, talking about her cameo’s, and not knowing what Casey’s involvement is.
Then Lee, telling her she needs to come clean he was not going to play games with her.
and Kristina saying if anything has happened to that baby I will die.
So, I do not think there would be a video record of it, just an audio, and a transcript record.
BEES KNEES, I like LindaNewYork, watch the Hearing on IN SESSION because they have that “good looking William Jay,” Tony L.’s attorney on! LOL! There is great commentary there, buy the BIG problem is that they quit programing at 2:00 in which the hearing in NEVER over.
IF anyone has a good link to share, I would like to try it after IN SESSION goes off, but I usually just wait & listen later when the links are posted by WFTV or WESH
Hey Whoops!
judypc, I know I heard it! I think you are right, that’s when Lee said it. It would seem once something hits YOU TUBE or the net, TOO LATE to remove it. Just ask A Lyon’s about that Lecture that WFTV had on their site, they jerked it, but it was already on YOU TUBE!
Does anyone think we will “ever know about the money? Just wait, Baez AGAIN will want to keep it a SECRET!” (just like everything else!)
Thanks Judy. I did listen to that conversation in my search last week but Ill double-check it.
As much as I’m dying for them to “show us the money” I have a feeling they won’t. But I always get really pessimistic whenever we get close to a hearing so maybe I’m wrong. I’d love to be wrong on this and find out where it went besides his fancy suits his hair pomade and his silk “poufs” What a nobody (Tim Miller’s description which says it all). LOL!
Bees, I will help to try to find it too, I know the statement was made just after Casey was arrested the first time, so that helps with the time line to search, just unsure if it was the first phone call or the first visit from Lee to her in jail, now that I stop and think about it, I am really leaning to the first visit.
EGADS!! I will have you more confused than ever lol.
BEES KNEES! I know what ya mean about being “pessimistic before a hearing.” Although KC had “private pay at that time, that was a lot of money & there wasn’t much to show for it!” I am HIGHLY suspect of Dr. Lee, NO, I didn’t see K Belich but I am going to look up the “apples & oranges” you mentioned. NOTHING gets past Belich, that’s why we love her & the Defense loathes her!
No, I understand Judy. I agree. That question would have had to be one of the first, if not the first question he would have asked her. “Is this like last time?” It had to have been within the first few minutes of talking.
GM Bees, Whoops, Judy and Art Tart…and thanks Whoops for the link.
Bees, I’ll be able to watch on TruTV today.
Hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving.
art, here’s the “crate of oranges” remark. Clip’s only 2 min. long and he makes the comment in the last half.
Hi Mix! Do they interupt with commercials on TruTV? I’ve only ever watched through wftv or wesh. I’d like to try the one with comments today, I think. In Session?
http://www.wftv.com/video/25946123/index.html
Bees,
I believe Judy is right. They were only audio.
I think I found where the calls were. At the link below look down the page and there are three audio calls Casey, Lee Talk. 1, 2, 3. Number 1 works and I get a 404 error on 2 and 3. Will see if I can find them somewhere else unless someone else has found the working ones.
http://www.wesh.com/r/16991227/detail.html
Yes, Bees, they do have commercial interruptions, but I like the commentary, personally. I have DirectTV and it’s channel 246 on there. Not sure about Dish or cable networks.
Hi everybody! Nice to “see” you all!
More than “show me the money” WHERE is the “reciprocal” discovery??? I wanna see the “goods” they got for her defense. Oh wait. Maybe that is why we have no discovery from them. They have nothing! Anything they may have thought they had has seemingly gone down the tubes….Caylee’s body being placed in the woods AFTER Casey was incarcerated, Roy Kronk aka SODDI (Brandon Sparks seems to have been a bust as will the mother), TES searchers….
BTW, I am having trouble at Val’s too. I wanted to see all the comments from the last Misc. thread, but was only able to see like 5 comments. I will not give up though. If I am still having a tough time, I am not afraid to ask her how to navigate or find what I am looking for.
RE: the “is this like last time” thing. I too recall that. But don;t know if I am recalling what bloggers said or if I actually remember reading or hearing it. Right after a conversation at Val’s about it, I did look at the transcripts of the phone calls from jail that Val has at her sight, but didn’t see that in the transcripts…
OK, see ya later, after the hearing.
Linda, I’m going to give Hinky’s another try but I’m not going to worry about it today. The only thing I’m focusing on is the trial. I hope it’s a great day for Caylee.
Very interesting link, Whoops. I kept running into the same 404 errors last week. Gone to listen. Thanks!
Bees, I think our problem is we are forgetting to use Anthony speak.
Like, huh…Case I huh…need to ask… is this, huh like the last time (stupid giggles)
I have searched for “is this like last time” and get about a hundred hits that are wrong.
Funny thing is on one visit it was broken into 3 parts, I can find 2 & 3 but not #1.
Bees, did you do this just to drive me crazy?
I’m sorry Judy. It is crazy-making. Many people remember hearing it ~ some think it was a jail visit and others think it was a phone call, but many people helped me look last week and no one could find anything. Some people are willing to accept that their memories are playing tricks on them but most people including me, have no doubt that they heard it. But however it happened, it disappeared.
Time for court!
Did the defense ask for a gagging order now?
The DEFENSE is working my last nerve!!!!!!!!!
LindaNewYork, the EXPERT’S, according to Baez, AREN’T going to write reports! John Jay, Tony L.’s attorney is saying on IN SESSION that it is going to cause a “hardship on the STATE to get all the information they need.
Ashton PROVIDED every report, every document to the Defense, The STATE NEEDS this information to prepare for the depositions of the Defense Experts. Judge P said Baez WILL HAVE TO WRITE WHAT THEY WILL TESTIFY TO but Baez is a KNOWN liar & unethical!
Baez is “backing off Kronk & Kronk witnesses it sounds like.” One of the news outlets ran an article last week that the Defense Witnesses were falling apart referencing L Buchanan, who is under investigation for tampering & is confused, Brandon Snow, Kronk’s son is being harassed. Baez WANTED to dismiss, re-file, DUH! Could it be you look like an IDIOT! The whole Kronk debacle, imo, was for publicity & it has blown up in their faces. I was really looking forward to Jill Kerley testifying to being a felon!
GO Natisha Lance, she just said on IN SESSION that C Mason said in Court that Dr. Lee would work for a crate of oranges, YET he has billed $ 8,000.00 thus far!!!!!!
Well? I was settling in for a good two to three hour session in court today. Was disappointed it was under an hour. LOL!
What did you guys think? Did you catch all the giggling and notes between baby-killer and the mr. nobody’s assistant? Anytime I see her having such a good time with other young women her age I always wonder if they have little children. I imagine they don’t. I can’t think of any mother I know that could bond with a baby-killer.
‘K . . . off to read the blogs!
This hearing today & the performance of the Defense Team, was further “unethical, unprofessional behavior!” imo! They even had an expert that the State was supposed to be an EXPERT in one area, THEN, the Defense announced that the Expert was going to testify as to the “dogs/scent!” WHAT A CLUSTER! WHAT IDIOTS!
The DEFENSE is claiming that the Experts aren’t writing their reports, imo, HE IS A LIAR! My husband was a Doctor, they simply record it as they work, a secretary transcribes it, & it is NOT ANYMORE work! EVEN a Cr. Def Attorney on IN SESSION is saying that the “Defense doesn’t want to box their experts in!” Baez doesn’t fool anybody! I Can’t believe the JAC DOESN’T DEMAND a written report since they are PAYING for them!
Glad KC wore Orange, she needs to get used to her daily clothing the rest of her life!
In my opinion Perry’s loud “BEAR IN MINDS” are starting to sound pretty hollow since we’ve never seen him actually put it in action. Why he allows disrespect in his courtroom by the likes of a nobody is beyond me. Did you see all the gesturing and handwaving when some people arrived? That wasn’t necessary. Couldn’t he just point quietly to where he wanted them to sit? And his butting in and speaking over both the judge and Jeff Ashton? Why is JP making it so hard on the Prosection? They are just asking for the same respect they gave the defense.
Another queston. I thought two years ago we were told that mr. nobody could not be lead lawyer because he was not a DP lawyer. Has that law changed in the past couple years?
art tart do you live in Florida?
oh! I’m sorry art! I went to delete the question as soon as I realized you might not want to be posting out that info for all to see and it was too late I’d already hit submit. So so sorry. Ignore.
Make note, there is a huge difference between not turning in a report, and not making a report.
Honestly, how many experts could look at evidence, then be on perfect recall a year or more down the road.
Of course they are making reports, the defense has simply ask them not to turn in any reports, that way they do not have to turn them over to the state.
Bees:
That statement was no mind trick, it was a true statement, I think it is simply buried in the thousands of other things released.
I remember it, as I remember our blogs talking about it when it was said, as we were all wondering what was the meaning, had Caylee gone missing before, had Casey taken her and hidden her from Cindy before, that sort of thing.
I think I even had the audio posted in the header of my blog as I sometimes do with current events of the case.
Well…Yup Judy, Baez does not WANT a report to be turned over and I’m figuring that what his “experts” have concluded is not favorable to Casey.
I have to believe that Judge Perry knows what he is doing.
The more Baez fidgets around, looking like a first grade boy who has to go pee-pee the more slimy he looks!
AND… 50 PENALTY PHASE WITNESSES!?? Fifty??!! Huh?
I was watching on InSession (and I agree, art tart-Tony L’s attorney is kinda cute) and about 1:45 the nurse at my nieces school called to pick her up so I didn’t get to hear the InSession commentary. Well, since I am “between” temp jobs, I guess I will check out tomorrow morning. They usually have a recap.
And Bees, I figured out how to navigate at Hinkey Meter. I think when I was trying to look at misc. thread, older comments were not on new website paged. (I think).
OK going to read around myself.
I know Judy. I remember it clearly. While I was searching for it last week I came across quite a few comments from bloggers ABOUT the question. Just couldn’t find the actually video, or sound bite. I think even Maura (at Hinky’s) was unable to find it and I think she keeps good records like you do. Odd, huh? In my mind there were always four comments/questions that sounded suspicious. The other three are still accessible.
Cindy says to Casey “We forgive you for anything you have said…..”
Casey replies, “I haven’t said anything. Don’t worry.” (July 25, 2008)
LE says to George “I think you’re a guy who knows a lot about a lot of things.” (September 27, 2008)
An unnamed source “close to the investigation” said of Lee Anthony, “He knows what he has done.” (January 26, 2009)
50 PENALTY PHASE WITNESSES!?? What the …………? That’s got to be a mistake, no? I didn’t catch that.
BEES KNEES, I live in Louisiana! No problem, I find it interesting where other’s live, the differences in the laws from State to State, especially the DP. We have the DP in my State!
BEES, imo, when Baez is “referred to as Lead Attorney, it is ONLY as the spokesperson for the team.” He CAN NOT be lead Attorney in a DP case, C Mason was the DP Qualified Attorney & so is Finnell, Baez is a mouthpiece with little experience on training wheels. I eyes burn to watch the moron & my ears ache! LOL!
I laughed so hard about the JAC kickin back crap to the Defense because they submitted bills that are too much! WELL! Baez is just going to have to SUCK IT UP, this isn’t brain surgery, they submitted paper work at $ 1.00 per page more than is allowed, the news outlet said it was a Substantial Amount! Hornsby said when Baez had KC declared Indigent, that you had to “walk a fine line regarding the paperwork, it has to be correct!” WHY would anyone expect any less except this DT can’t seem to grasp a simple hand book!
BEES KNEES SAID:
An unnamed source “close to the investigation” said of Lee Anthony, “He knows what he has done.” (January 26, 2009)
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BEES, funny you mention this, I was strolling through the new Hinky Meter Today under KC, & there is a whole topic on “He knows what he has done.” I tagged it to read later!
LindaNewYork, I don’t believe for a minute KC knows 50 people she didn’t lie to or steal from, now if they had 50 people to testify to what a lying promiscuous skank KC was ,the list it would be endless. Something too I read at Hinky, I think Woobabie said there are only a few relatives left in Ohio, Kathy, GA’s sister is one of them, GA’s EX WIFE & her brother are another couple.
I am REALLY interested in WHY Finnell is using a “different mitigation specialist.” It would seem IF the one in place had done “such a good job as Baez has described & closest to KC, wonder why that isn’t good enough for Finnell.” I wonder if the “lines of friendship with KC & the Anthony’s have been blurred, Finnell may be going directly for the throat!”
judypc, I think you are exactly correct, there are reports, just NOT reports that Baez is going to share. He is going to make it as difficult as he can for the STATE. Why can’t the STATE ask the expert’s, WHAT INFO HAVE YOU SHARED WITH BAEZ on your examination of the evidence?
Orlando Sentinel Said:
Casey Anthony’s defense team will have to turn over notes, photos and any video taken by expert witnesses and provide them to prosecutors following a ruling in Orange Circuit Court today.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-court-hearing-20101129,0,7742313.story
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judypc, I wonder IF the experts can be ask UNDER oath if they did reports, I can’t any experts lying for Baez, WELL, maybe Dr. Lee! LOL!
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Mr. Sheaffer does GREAT ANALYSIS w/Kathy Belich!
http://www.wftv.com/video/25950569/index.html
Oh, that’s right art tart. I knew that, how could I’ve forgotten? Linda lives in my favourite city and you live in my favourite state. I was there with a couple girlfriends ten years ago and I still order coffee from Café Du Monde ~ sooo good! And so happy I saw New Orleans before Katrina.
It was refreshing to hear that somebody (JAC) deigned to stand up to the clown act today, wasn’t it? They are used to getting their way and I think that’s partly why they behave so badly ~ because they can. Just like kids who test boundaries with their parents. They just keep pushing and pushing as long as they get away with it. I think if Perry insisted on more professional behaviour, to be accountable, to be respectful in the courtroom, not allowing them to insult the Prosecution, etc. they would behave more appropriately, but for whatever his reason he chooses to overlook the obvious and so . . . that’s what we get.
I’m really sorry that we lost Strickland. Even though he had a softer manner about him, he seemed to be able to handle the defense more appropriately. It doesn’t really matter now how many times Perry says, very dramatically, “Bear in mind . . . Bear in mind what? For all his talk about Fridays and Saturdays I really can’t see him imposing that on them. At least we will always have Strickland’s parting words, “The irony is rich.”
BEES KNEES, I was reading at WS on today’s hearing & somebody posted several pictures of CA & she looked terrible! She had a tight white shirt on, it appeared she could have gained at least 30 pounds. She had gotten so skinny at one time but she is bigger now than she was when she lost weight.
Someone also attended the hearing there & posted about 8 or 9 consecutive pictures of KC laughing, grinning, & sharing a joke. I could care less but as soon as this trial ends, so will ALL this attention that she & CA are addicted to.
I read at Hinky’s that the Anthony’s new attorney was there & sat in front of CA. I guess they have finally gotten the ANT’s to SHUT UP, told them they were over exposed, & cautioned them that they can’t make $$$$$$ when people are sick of them. WHEN will CA get it, the Anthony’s are going to be BLAMED for KC’s behavior! I guess there could be people that could testify that KC had emotional problems growing up, who knows, the ANT’s are going under the bus.
I too miss Judge S, his style was different, but I loved his kind mannerism. The Defense didn’t fool him for a second, the irony is rich!
Art:
Yes, the State can ask if any reports were made, and where are those reports, and the question I would add would be
Were you told to not send reports to defense on paper, did you report to defense using any other method?
A verbal report could have been given to defense in which they made personal notes that allow them to hedge the states request
I’m gone to look for the “He knows what he’s done” piece on hinky’s. Thanks.
Indeed, “The irony is rich.” Jokin Jose’ does not keep billable hours, so he has no clue where the money went, and he does not do hard copy reports, so he does not know what any of his team is doing, had done, or is going to do next week.
What a way to run a law firm.
Ask yourself this…..
If no reports exist, how on earth will he know what questions to ask at trial?
I love how he assumes others are to stupid to see through his B.S.
I always heard if you can’t dazzle em with your brilliance, baffle em with your BULLS–T
Per WESH NEWS
It has been reported they will be questioning him about what he knew about Caylee’s disappearance and when he had such information.
As WESH states, Lee Anthony … He Knows What He Did This Past Summer
According to WESH, a source close to the investigation said, “We kind of treat him separately. He knows what he has done.”
BEES KNEES, Here is the link to Lee knows what he’s done at hinky!
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/01/24/lee-anthony-he-knows-what-he-has-done/
I am going to read it tonight myself, I never exactly understood the deal with that, but giggle giggle giggle, who can understand Lee? It’s hard to take anyone seriously that jerks a Cross with Caylee’s name on it out of the Anthony front yard near the street wearing those ridiculous Tube Socks, what a goober! How hateful/spiteful, just think! Someone thought enough of Caylee to want to leave something in remembrance! Then Hoover said CA beat the Cross that Lee left in the backyard with a hammer. It’s hard to see or fell the love in this famil by any of the members. Maybe GA has figured it out, he wasn’t there today.
I wonder too if this is WHY Finnell wants a different Mit. Expert to work for her so the information WON’T be shared with the Anthony’s.
judypc, We have discussed WHO will be thrown under the bus & it looks like some of those predictions may come to pass. WHY would Finnell give a rat’s butt about the SECRET witnesses? LOL! The ONLY person accused of stalking & harassing works for the Defense, Jeremy Lyon’s! imo, BECAUSE it is GA’s family, we have all seen the WRATH of both GA & CA, I bet they would HARASS the chit out of their extended family if they got wind that they have been thrown under the bus! After all, the Anthony’s are still worried about appearances, they are not seeking the truth as Conway always said, the truth is, imo, there will be a long history of instability with GA!
Art, at this stage in the mess it is hard for me to take anything said by the defense with any seriousness, they have tried to many times to blow smoke and hide in the bushes.
After court today Mason says they now have 15 to 20 people that say they searched the Exact Spot!! Where the body was found and there was no body,
They claim 50 witnesses for the penalty phase of people that will speak up for Casey, I find these numbers all a bit hard to chew.
Now, I have no doubt they can find fifty people to say how bad the Anthony’s suck, but when all is said and done laying the blame on the family imo will not cut it, while George & Cindy may be far from Ozzie & Harriet Casey had many options in her life.
She could have gone back to school, gotten a real job, moved out.
If she did not want Caylee there is a thing called adoption, there are thousands of people that would have gladly opened their arms for that little girl.
And, as an adult Cindy could not have stopped her from allowing a family to love and cherish that gift of a child.
While I have no doubt there will be many claims of abuse, and yes I fully believe George & Lee will be pointed at in the sexual abuse of Casey, be it true or not, the claim will be made, and I fully expect Cindy to back these statements against George.
I also expect charges against Cindy for physical & emotional abuse, and I again expect she will say that yes she was to hard on Casey.
Everyday, people that suffered the most horrid abuse you could imagine care for their children, love their children, they deal with the memories, they deal with the scar’s of the past and make damn sure their children never know that same pain.
Yes, some become abusers, and the cycle continues, but, that does not excuse their actions, every person is responsible for their actions, their choices, and must accept the debt they owe for those actions.
Casey and ONLY Casey is responsible and must pay her debt.
judypc, great comment, I agree whole heartedly. I have never seen anything like this, I have never seen a Defense “throw out a new theory or idea every week or two to see what the public shows interest in.” Of course, there is never any proof to anything they come up with.
It’s too bad that Baez didn’t work harder at convincing KC to BEG for a “PLEA” two yrs. ago. You are exactly correct, there is NO EXCUSE for KC murdering Caylee, NO amount of abuse, etc. is an excuse for murdering your own child. The Anthony’s, imo, probably have a pretty good idea of what is going to be “dumped on them,” surely their new attorney’s are preparing them for that & I wonder if that is another reason for the new attorney’s attending the hearings. You are right too, Lee/GA will be blamed for sexual abuse, true or not, but even if true, it is NOT AN EXCUSE for the murder of Caylee.
For all the time the Defense has wasted with their latest theories, I still want to hear the “compelling reason that KC NEVER reported Caylee missing, dead, the 31 days. imo, the Defense WILL NEVER get past the 31 days in the Closing argument! FOR someone else to have dumped Caylee’s remains, there would have to be a “viable person that KC gave Caylee to & then allowed them to drive Caylee around in her Sunfire dead, the imaginanny won’t cut it.” It’s just too ridiculous to even consider. I think if the Defense could look at their case objectively, & just imagine what all they know KC did that even we don’t know, they would realize that it is not believable.
judypc, I understand that the Defense doesn’t have to USE or share information on an expert’s report that is NOT favorable to KC, but WHAT IF Caylee’s shorts & laundry bag just show the Anthony’s prints? THAT will not be favorable to KC/ Defense but we were told today that information will be returned in 45 days. I wonder IF it only contained the Anthony Family’s prints, will that be released to the public?
I would be surprised if Baez continued with the Kronk BS, seems that theory is debunk like the rest, with Kronk’s son Brandon claiming to be harassed by Jeremy Lyon’s & backing off his statement about his dad, it was just another waste of time.
Mr. Sheaffer had something to say about the way the Defense treated Roy Kronk, if you haven’t listened to his analysis, it’s good!
Judypc:
Casey also had the option of moving out and going on Welfare…She could’ve gotten Housing, Foodstamps, Medicaid and maybe even some Cash. But this would’ve ruined Casey’s party lifestyle and people may have started wondering how she could afford a Nanny and exactly who was watching Caylee all the time (Cindy never did) ??
About the “Experts” and possible payments/contracts:
Shouldn’t the J.A.C. be the ones to file a Motion asking the Court about how these “Experts” are being paid and what Contracts they may have ? And lets not forget any future “deals” years from now.
Area Flooded or not:
When Caylee (then an unknown skeleton) was found, Chief Berry said the area hadn’t been searched because it had been flooded. This was on the day she was found, months before The law Firm of Mumbles & Fumbles started claiming that it was (Mumbles even said once the area wasn’t flooded).
Doug:
The options for Casey were endless, a single mom has many open doors that if used can provide a future.
Oddly, many of which would have given her that lifestyle she seemed to envy, and worked so hard to give the appearance of.
I have always maintained there is a deal on paper that will provide big bucks after the trial, Jose has it buried and prays it will remain in the darkness.
Yes, I would think the JAC would have been given a full disclosure before handing over one thin dime, but it seems Jose’s one talent thus far is hide & seek where the dollars & deals are concerned.
I dare say he was not able to bring names like Baden, Lee, and Reichs, on board without deals, one of the places I have always felt was worth looking at is Fox network for future deals.
Each of the experts need to be ask under oath are there contracts for future T.V. shows or books?
As to the 15 to 20 supposed mystery searchers, they need to have their feet held to the fire and told in no uncertain terms that anyone providing false testimony will be charged no if’s and’s or but’s about it.
The State should make one glaring statement to the media, that they WILL file charges against ANYONE giving false testimony, they should use Laura Buchan as their poster child and file charges now for her lies and cover up.
Hal Boedeker covered the Orlando TV Reports on yesterday’s hearings:
DEFENSE CLAIMS SUCCESS ON FINDING SEARCHERS; MARK NeJAMES CALLS COMMENT
‘PREPOSTEROUS’
SNIPET FROM OS:
Mason said he will give the list of witnesses to the court Friday, Kealing added.
But Kealing also quoted “one source close to the investigation” who is “highly skeptical of this new defense claim of all these witnesses that they’ve identified.”
And Mark NeJame, attorney for Texas EquuSearch, told Kealing that Mason’s comment was “preposterous.”
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/?p=29123
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I am “so glad that Mark NeJames CALLS THE DEFENSE OUT for the showboating they perform after every Status Hearing, NeJames has already called Baez a Liar & Incompetent!” Seems NeJames “doesn’t suffer fools lightly either!”
Jokin Jose’ didn’t want to say how much they are paying experts, said he wouldn’t ask how much your bills are, to which Kathi Belich said yes but the taxpayers aren’t paying my bills.
And THAT Ladies & Gents is why we LOVE Kathi B!! the gal has great big brass ya-ya’s and does not back away from A-holes.
Now, lets just for grins & giggles recap a couple of things, shall we?
Okay, team Casey claimed they had evidence that Kronk was responsible for Caylee’s death. (Now, “That was premature”)
Team Casey first said they had 50 searchers that searched the area,
(Now, it’s down to 15 or 20)
Team Casey said Laura Buchan searched the area and there was no body no water,
(Now the state is looking at tampering charges, Laura now says well maybe not that spot)
Team Casey said “ we have proof our client did not put the body there ( To date no such proof has been delivered)
Team Casey said, “we have proof our client is innocent, ( To date no such proof has been delivered)
Team Casey said, “there were no media deals” (Now, we know of ABC’s payment)
Team Casey said Dr. Lee was working for free, could be paid with oranges, ( Now we know he has billed the state for $8.000.00, BOY that’s a bunch of oranges!!)
This is just a small sampling of things team Casey has tried to float, any wonder no one believes them any more.
judypc, I’ll bet my eye teeth the “D-Team” (dream team) has proof of her guilt, as well.
Are we having “fun” yet, Mr. Mason?
ART!!! Can you hear my laughter now?
Tango hearts NeJame.
Morning Tango & judypc!
judy,judy,judy, You have a great memory! This is what DRIVES ME CRAZY about the ridiculous Defense Team! The grandstanding & boasting! THEN! It is only a “matter of time before the statements come back to BITE THEM IN THE BUTT!” Belich NEVER let’s them forget it! Great list!
Tango, you are”right on” imo, Baez/Mason KNOW KC is guilty as well as LK Baden & Lyon’s. Funny how after Baden leaves AFTER she does a couple of depos via SKYPE & one in person! Their client is “guilty!” Baden & Lyon’s want to sell books, NOT be “associated with a convicted mother that murdered her child.”
Yesterday I couldn’t understand WHY Finnell is “looking for another Mit. Specialist, NOT Jeanne Barrett!” I knew something was up! I just read this!
THIS IS NOT CONFIRMED YET!
It looks like Jeanene Barrett is out. I heard somewhere that she is not licenced in Florida and cannot receive compensation from the JAC. I have not been able to confirm it, but it’s a possibility.
Sprocket is really good at Trials & Tribulations & they cover high profile cases. I am going to try to run that information down today! This makes perfect sense!
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com
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Just think! IF THIS IS TRUE, Jeanne Barrett has done over 300 hours of interviews with KC, I need to double check the hours, but she has been to Ohio, etc., & Baez BOAST that she is the closest person to KC!
The JAC is NOT GOING TO PAY HER if she isn’t licensed in Fla., SO, good luck to her “getting a dime out of the griftor attorney Baez! Jeanne’s time was billed at $ 40.00 per hour!
judypc, remember when Belich ask Mason about Dr. Lee & his reputation being “damaged after the Spector Trial?” Mason just about pooped, he went off “like the loose Cannon he is,” I guess he is so self-absorbed he didn’t bother reading about the EMBARRASSMENT Dr. Lee was in the Spector Case, & Baez, imo, didn’t know anything about it. LK Baden probably told Baez to contact Dr. Lee since they worked together, but GOOD GRIEF! What an albatross!
Has Dr. Lee “been instrumental in anything since the OJ Simpson Trial?” He sucked during the Spector Case as well as the “Peterson Case of the Stair Case Murder!” (Brain fart!) I can’t remember that murderer’s first name but he murdered two women & claimed they both fell down the stairs.
Art:
Dr. Lee had a celebrated career up to the Spector case, it is a shame one mistake has now shadowed his past & future work.
It would be hard to not now question his work previous to that blunder and wonder had he just been lucky and was never caught before.
Honestly, his name struck fear at one time to the opposing side, now all they have to do is say his findings can not be trusted and recite the judges admonishment in the Spector case.
I have to wonder if Dr. Lee will in fact be called to the stand, his deal may not have included that.
Defense may have been banking on just the name of Dr. Lee sending the state into a head-spin.
When the state did not flinch, and dared laugh at Jose when he said Dr. Lee sent the State to school, he seems to have fallen into the dark back cracks of the case.
judypc, my thoughts exactly, perhaps the Spector Case was the first time caught. But what “about the 18 hairs?” What’s up with that? I guess if they had NO significance then he probably won’t testify but he visited Orlando with the other’s when they examined the evidence. I don’t think LD Burdick is scared of Dr. Lee, I do think that Mason & Baez “were really impressed with him until the Spector Case reared it’s ugly head with Belich pounding Mason, & then to add insult to injury, LD Burdick brought it up in Court sighting reasons the Defense Team needed to be supervised while viewing evidence!” LOL!
It was “Micheal Peterson’s Case,” the Stair Case Murder’s, the name I couldn’t think of, but they made that case which Dr. Lee testified in into a Lifetime Movie. Dr. Lee CAN’T make a guilty person “Innocent,” I’m still irked that there won’t be reports! LOL!
judypc, I have been reading about it from some peeps that attended the hearing yesterday, but I found a picture of CA from the Hearing they were discussing. CA had gotten so skinny at one point, she looks huge, & some that attended the hearing said that KC had gotten almost anorexic skinny. KC looked so pale, the lack of sunlight sucks, but I guess she is the size she was when she went in.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5852714&postcount=334
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I also read today at WS that yesterday when there was a side bar & KC was grinning with the other’s at the table that Judge P “swore in Baez’s associate!” So much for speculation huh? LOL! Someone at WS looked it up today.
Hi everybody! Did I miss anything today?
Judy, is that right? The State can honestly recite the judges admonishment in the Spector case when (if?) the defense brings him into the trial? So that’s great. I’m always worrying about what the State will be allowed to say. The law is more favourably stacked for the defendant a lot of the time.
And seriously how can there be no reports? That has to be a lie, no? Does that mean they’ll be calling on their memories during the trial? Is that what they’d have us believe? PFFFTTTTT . . . they must think we’re as dumb as they are. Guess they haven’t noticed there are a lot of very intelligent bloggers and educated opinions discussed. Val is a rocket scientist for the love of God! Did Judge Perry just accept that there were no reports? I’m going to have to go back and have another listen.
They’ve REALLY got me with the whole 50 defense witnesses. I can’t even begin to think of what that means. I still need to read that Hinky link about giggling lee-marie.
BEES KNEES, the blogs are “burning with questions about the Defense Experts NOT making reports, Hornsby answered the question at Web Sl.
WHY NO DEFENSE EXPERT REPORTS?
Generally speaking, if an expert is hired by either side AFTER formal charges are filed, the expert rarely prepares a written report specifically because the report can be used to cross-examine them in trial (or deposition) and can be given to the other-side’s expert to pick apart.
On the other hand, when an expert is hired by either side BEFORE formal charges are filed, it is common for them to prepare a report specifically because the State must have some documented evidence to support filing whatever charge they file; and from the defense side, a positive report from a defense expert can be turned over to the State specifically to try and persuade them not to file charges.
And to put this in perspective, I had an Aggravated Manslaughter trial last month and the State hired an mental health expert at the last minute and specifically instructed her not to prepare a report. As a result I had to wait until I deposed her to determine her specific findings, what she reviewed, her qualifications, etc. I then had to have the deposition transcribed so I could provide the information to my experts to help me try and discredit her.
So the expert report issues works both ways, and there is nothing particularly shady about instructing an expert not to prepare a report – especially considering the report itself is inadmissible as evidence; rather only the expert’s testimony is admissible.
And since the State is free to depose the expert, they are not prejudiced by a report not being prepared.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93317&page=56
BEES KNEES, Hornsby also had this to say at Web Sleuth about agreeing with Ashton about being a little peeved:
Actually, Jeff Ashton never made a big deal about defense experts not preparing reports – IF they did not make a report.
What he was a little peeved about (and rightfully so) was the judge not ordering the experts to be required to provide in advance of their depositions their contracts and other things that have been actually been created.
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This is available at the same link as above.
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jmo, this would have been such a small concession, Baez has a Secretary, he has a TRUST ACCOUNT that belongs to KC, he is just being difficult & unfortunately Judge P allowed him to do it.
Guess nobody ever taught Baez “that you pick your battles,” this bull chit about just being difficult will, like everything else, bite him in the butt! jmo.
greetings & salutations, all! Thought you’d all LOVE the no reports available piece of information from the defense gang! It’s typical defense behavior where the specialist provides a conversation to the Esquire thus making it non-discoverable work product, holding back the actual hard copy report until closer to the trial date. IF and that’s a huge if no formal report ever surfaces but the specialist DOES testify, be sure that the SA will ask about the uniqueness of “no documentation, data recall, testimony from memory, etc.” and will contrast that with that of the State’s scientific specialists. AND sometimes….the sarcasm gets quite humorous and pointed!
joypath, I am surprised that the JAC is willing to PAY with no report, I wonder if the expert’s are just billing hours & the JAC is paying according to whatever that particular expert gets per hour.
joypath, I was surprised that Dr. Lee billed $ 8,000.00 for 3 days work, hell of a lot more money than a crate of oranges! We just want to “comb through the reports & then ask you a thousand questions!” LOL! We appreciate you sharing your knowledge friend!
art tart: Henry has a very high regard for his own services! The comment regarding the oranges is that he ONCE considered accepting compensation in the form of a crate of oranges, NOT THAT he always works for oranges! (lately he should reduce his “consideration rate” to PEANUTS, but that’s my biased female opinion!). I’m SO waiting for SOMETHING re discovery from the defense gang (for example: Werner Spitz, M. D.’s post report from late 12/2008…..maybe THAT’s still on somebody’s hard drive also!)
Hi everyone, I have a small request.
At this time I am doing some rewrites and a few additions to my manuscript, I have a section dedicated for the bloggers that have followed this case, several of the members of my blog gave statements and information that I have used in this section.
I would like to add some views outside of my blog to give a broader-spectrum of thoughts in regard to this case.
If you would like to take part I would very much like your input, please answer these few questions, and in your reply please state if I may use your post and your login name.
(1) What was it about this case that drew you to it, and what has kept you interested?
(2) What person involved has touched your emotions the most?
(3) Do you feel bloggers have had an effect on this case?
(4) Do you think the information found on the blogs has been more useful or informative than more customary outlets such as network media?
Thank you in advance.
Bees:
Yes any expert or witness for that matter can be questioned on any areas that may show their integrity, or lack there of, their findings can be brought into question if they have in the past been less than honest in their findings.
As well their reasons for becoming involved in the case can be brought into question, i.e book deals, money payments made or promised.
art tart, thank you so much for explaining that (no reports) to me. I feel pretty silly now that I know it is common (blush, blush). You are a sweetie pie to educate me.
Joypath, same thing to you. I’m really grateful to be getting such a good education. I hope you’re now a regular here (fingers crossed). And Judy thank you, too, for the many ways you’ve been able to explain legal mysteries.
Happy to help, judy. I’ll give your questions some thought and reply later.
BEES KNEES, no reason to feel silly, I certainly didn’t know either, I have read complaints all over the BLOG, glad Hornsby stepped in to explain to everyone.
BEES, I was in a “Civil Lawsuit in which we had to “sue the Contractor on an expensive home for damage of over $ 100,000.00 for work that had to be re-done. I had to hire 3 different engineer’s, each provided me with “hefty bills for their time & expert opinions.” The engineer’s were prepared to go to Court for our Attorney’s & we knew what they would testify to & copies were provided to the Contractor & his Attorney. The Contractor “quickly settled the suit, paid for all the repairs & repaired according to the Engineer’s specifications.” LOL! SILLY ME! I just assumed that WHEN “someone is being paid for their expert opinion, especially in the murder of a child, THEY PROVIDE ONE, especially since the JAC is paying the bill, the EXPERT’S basically work for the taxpayer’s of Fla..
judypc, I like BEES KNEES are happy to help any way I can, I too need to give some thought. I read your post last night & started thinking a little about the beginning of the case. I have to reconcile in my mind, the chain of events the first few days as EVERYONE was covering the case, even”regular National FOX in which they did some great interviews & commentaries. (not geraldo!) I will never forget SCREAMING at the TV at KC at what a liar she is. I felt so much outrage/anger at KC & I think it was the “phone call from KC to the Anthony Home in which she ask LEE for Tony’s phone #, then CA got on the phone & talked about ALL the interviews she had done, & KC was furious!
judypc, that sent me over the edge! STARS were born, sadly, in their own minds imo, a chance to promote themselves, promote their agenda, to quit their jobs & make money, SET ME OFF & I am still outraged.
Tim Miller certainly is one of the heroes of Caylee’s story imo, his heartfelt pain from his own experience, imo, was palpable, I certainly admire his “outspoken mannerisms” in telling it like it is in this story, thank GOD Tim Miller is a VOICE for Victim’s, I hope you have something on him in your manuscript. Tim Miller was able to say things in the beginning, LE stopped short of saying. LOL! He is still talking.
judypc, did you notice that Baez said in Court that he didn’t ask the expert’s to write reports because “they were already PRO BONO & he didn’t want to cause more work?” THAT WAS A LIE! They “aren’t pro bono, that Pro Bono Dr. Lee & his crate of Oranges is probably going to cost the State of Fla. over $20,000.00 by the time the case concludes.”
Mr. Sheaffer’s analysis was great, he pointed out to K Belich HOW MUCH MONEY the defense had to PAY EXPERT’S, even after Baez took $90,000.00 for his salary.
I wish we could get to the “facts on the money!” They may not come to light until the case is over & we see WHAT Baez does to MAKE MONEY.
FRG, great member from Hinky Member was nice enough to SHARE the EXPERT’S that have been involved with the Defense, SCROLL DOWN TO FRG’S POST where they are listed!
http://thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=3219#p3219
Guys,
I am really disgusted by these experts being able to testify against a defenseless little girl just so their names will be on the headlines, maybe they will be part of documentaries, movies, books, you name it. I know KC needs a fair trial but this is so sickening. KC should have plead a long time ago. JB is not acting in her best interest, all he cares is about himself. If KC thinks she is using him, think better KC.
I believe in the judicial system and Caylee will have justice she so deserves.
Need to vent… sorry.
FRG, hope it is okay with you, shared your link here with the commenter’s, they are just as passionate as we are!
The thing that has “really pissed me off” in this case is the arrogance of KC/Baez! imo, Baez told KC in the beginning, “All we have to do is create reasonable doubt.” The Anthony’s validated the doubt that Caylee might be alive to those they didn’t keep up with the case with all their “Media Blitz’s for Pay.” Hornsby said it was “rumored at the Courthouse that KC could have worked a deal IF she told WHERE Caylee was & how she died! imo, Baez/KC rolled the dice hoping that Caylee would never be found, THEY LOST! You are right, this case should have been PLEAD a long time ago!
NeJames was right on, he said in a media interview that a “COMPETENT Attorney for KC could have worked a deal of 15 yrs. in exchange for how Caylee died & where she was.” imo, NeJames probably shared this with the Anthony’s when he represented them but they are as arrogant as KC. A parting of the ways was a good move for NeJames.
FRG, now I am venting, I am just outraged that the Public/blogger’s/LE/FBI/SA are the Voices for Caylee Marie Anthony, NOT HER FAMILY! I am appalled that Geraldo thinks the DP is out of line, that the case should warrant 15 yrs. or less HOW many yrs. would Geraldo think the murder of one of his children would be worth?
art tart
That’s okay, the more people know about this the better.
You are right. I also wonder if KC was accused of killing one of their own grandchild or their own child. Anybody should have a fair trial but this is far from being fair… ruining many innocent people’s lives is not what I call fair. This is so outrageous!
I hope the Anthony’s will be getting what they deserve besides their own daughter. The Anthony’s should be looking for defense for little Caylee but no. Shame on the Anthony’s.
FRG, I agree, the Anthony’s will get their due. imo, I think KC will get LWOP, which might be better than the DP, THEN, the ANT’s will “do the time with KC”, calling them, cussing them, blaming them for making her murder Caylee, demanding part of the $$$$ they have bilked from Caylee’s murder & demanding the $$$$ be put in her commissary account.” Long after the ANT’s fall from the Media, they will be tormented by every COLLECT call they accept from their murdering daughter on a daily basis!
Sadly, another horrendous murder of a child will be in the media after KC’s verdict is delivered, Caylee will remain in our heart’s, & the HELL on earth created by the dynamics in the Anthony Family will remain until they die. jmo.
Joypath, Our good friend has addressed some of the facts in Caylee’s murder, I ran across her contribution while reading at Hal Boedeker’s. Joypath answered another commenter (he77) sharing some of the facts in this case to his contribution of the NON facts in the case! He states “UNBELIEVABLE, joypath says WHY it is BELIEVABLE!”
1: Mother wipes up her childs decomp with a napkin. Sorry, qualifies as not believable!
HARDLY UNBELIEVABLE, TYPICAL COVER-UP BEHAVIOR OF A NOT SO SMART OF INTELLIGENT PERSON TRYING TO CLEAN UP A MESS,POSSIBLY THE FIRST TIME ever!
2: Mother drives around with her dead daughter in trunk for 2.6 days. Sorry, qualifies as not believable!
BELIEVABLE BEHAVIOR OF A PERSON WHO HAS NO CONCEPT OF THE DEATH PROCESS (and how many folks really DO?) BELIEVABLE BEHAVIOR OF A “SEAT OF THE PANTS PLANNER”
3: Mother rents movie about dead person in trunk on same day that she kills daughter and puts in trunk. Sorry qualifies as not believable.
BELIEVABLE AND EVEN BETTER, possible “training film” for the inmate! WHAT BETTER TO GET IDEAS FROM THAN A BLOCKBUSTER STAR-STUDDED (like she believes she is) FILM!
Mother apply’s one strip of duct tape at a time while daughter gazes into her eyes. Sorry, qualifies as not believable.
TOTALLY BELIEVABLE AND NOT THE WORST OF BEHAVIORS I’VE WITNESSED BY A PARENT(S) killing HIS/HER CHILD/REN. I’ve had cases where the parent ROASTED the child, MICROWAVED, BOILED, WHIPPED, SKINNED, BROKEN every BONE and each time have managed to give the LE some REASON/STORY or STAYED MUTE.
4000 volunteers and police search for Caylee, but do not search in most obvious spot. Sorry, qualifies as not believable.
SO SO SO SIMPLIFIED in statement, I’m assuming (which I do realize is very dangerous) that you’ve never participated or conducted a S & RESCUE mission which in reality was from DAY 31 of this case a PURE S & RECOVERY. REMEMBER, the MOTHER was directing where the child was last observed, the environment was directing what areas could be covered and MANY of those volunteers were hunting for a full size toddler body, not disarticulated bone fragments.
WAS this a PERFECTLY conducted scenario: he77 no, but given the lack of familial cooperation and efforts, super darn good!
joypath, for those that have followed the case from day one & as we look back, KC & family “manipulated the public that was desperately praying, looking for Caylee, & hoping that Caylee would be returned since the 911 call was made.” Each day in the beginning gave us more insight into the “manipulation” & “fraud the family” scammed on the heartstrings of the public. I still am forever amazed at the narcissism this family continues to project.
Oh my goodness, look at all the juicy comments. I’m going to start with that Trials & Tribulations link, art tart. I love that site and I have to get in the habit of reading there more regularly. It will bring me to my happy place if Barrett doesn’t get a thin dime. Gee, with her being “so close” to casey and all I’m sure she won’t mind volunteering her time. After all, what matter is money between “close“ friends? HEE!
Hi art tart, FRG. I’ll tell ya, I am sick of this whole case as well. Betweent he murderer and her attorneys they should have been BEGGING for a plea bargain of LWOP. So, some experts and the D-Team will “have their names up in lights”, they all get their 15 minutes, or almost 3 YEARS, of fame. Fine. How good do they feel at the end of the day knowingly defending a guilty client. How good would they feel if she was actually aquitted?? It’s a shame.
I have been so sick and tired of this Casey Anthony cr*p!
OJ Simpson: (although got away with murder do to a jury of numbskulls): Killed Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman in June 1995, had the infamous Bronco chase and was aquitted by a bunch of idiots in October 1195. 16 MONTHS! And this case won’t even go to trial until after 2 YEARS and 10 MONTHS! Unbelievable. It’s pathetic. So sick of it all.
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Judypc-I answered your questions over at your place!! If anyone cares, I’ll post it her too
Yup, I need spell check!
BEES KNEES! Wouldn’t it be too funny if J Barrett didn’t make a dime BUT she would SUE Baez, which too would be funny! She should & I would think she will, he hired her! I read today in an article by Terrance Lenamon, whom I REALLY like a lot, said that in a Murder Case, it would be “ineffective counsel IF the Defense Team didn’t have a Mitagator.” imo, Baez is “responsible for the Mitagator’s bills, she was brought in by Lyon’s by Baez, the “Privately retained attorney by KC, then, when KC became indigent, IF Baez could not afford to continue to pay J Barrett, he should have READ the freakin hand book by the JAC or found someone they would pay.” You would think it wouldn’t be so hard but Finnell said in the Hearing it wasn’t simple. I would think that J Barrett has accumulated a lot of bills & $$$$ owed for “work product” & she is rightfully owed her money & probably ALL that expensive air fare & hotel accomadations! What an IDIOT Baez continues to be, I expect nothing less, after all, SNORT, SNORT, it was the moron that begged for J Barrett to stay in a hearing when addressing Judge P. Bet the moron isn’t smirking now! ALL of this will be reported by the media, ESPECIALLY IF Baez doesn’t pay her what is owed.
LiindaNewYork, I too have “KC/Baez/Drama Fatigue” in Caylee’s case. I can’t wait for the Verdict to come down, THEN, hopefully, the Anthony’s will make that last buck off the project with Jim Litchinstien. Some will come out with books, I am going to read judypc’s book & M NeJames if he chooses to do so because he had said any monies if he did write a book would go to TES, but ONLY books written from the Viewpoint of the Prosecution. I am so tired of the Defense Team, they are Media Whores, imo, the “fallout for them won’t be the $$$$$ they have dreampt about, the Anthony’s will be on their Verdict Media Tour screaming what idiot’s represented KC only to promote themselves. LOL! The Anthony’s will never see themselves as the scumbags that live off Caylee with the same agenda.
I am just ready for it to end, I love Caylee, we all do, but there are so many missing & murdered children that deserve some publicity, I hope the Fla. Media will then turn their resources & stories on those still missing, it seems a lot of children are abducted, murdered, or abused that need the valuable resources only the Media can provide.
Well, seems Mr Mason’s reasons for LYING about 15 or 20 people now come to light.
They want more money for more P.I. time.
The big claim of 15-20 are now down to MAYBE 1 and that ONE is very unlikely.
I swear if Judge Perry allows this I think my head will spin and Linda will hear me scream in New York!!
Oh and Jose’ wants the state to REPAY him for the travel expenses of the experts he brought to Orlando BEFORE casey was delared a ward of the state, how rich is that!!
He pockets over 2 hundred grand and pisses and moans about paying the bills he made.
BOY what a swell guy!!
HA, art tart, the A’s won;t make any money on any book because they have already “put it all out there” by their big mouths and they have already been put out there via their Morgan depo and LE and SA interviews released. They have NO story that has not already been told. We’ve seen it all.
Yes, “KC/Baez Drama Fatigue”. Sometimes I just stop commenting and read coz I don’t even know what to say anymore about the whole “debacle”.
Also the unbelievable and believable thing you got from a Hal Boedeker commenter: What the heck is so unbelievable about all of that?? And good for joypath for pointing out WHY those things are so believable! Are people THAT clueless???
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Hey-Does the comment box here “jump around” with anybody else while commenting??? Or is it just me. If I pause while I am typing it moves up.
OK, g’nite all!
Wouldn’t it be OUTRAGEOUS if the inmate’s newest BFF Ms Barrett becomes the most recent “newest friend” damaged by the Casey curse ’cause she doesn’t get PAID for services rendered! What’s that famous line, sleep with dogs with fleas, wake up & take home the fleas! The statement made by Tim Miller: paraphrased to this Those who become involved with this family get contaminated by evil! For me, I just consider the familia anthony a new strain of invasive bacteria, similar to MRSA where the slightest opening of kindness becomes the portal of the vector!
joypath! YEP! J Barrett is “screwed” if she is counting on monies from the Baez Law Firm! LOL! I read once too that T Miller said “anyone associated with the ANT’s gets BODY SLAMMED!” GOD I love T Miller, plainly spoken, & to the point!
LindaNewYork, the Defense has become so predictable. I would love to be a “fly on the wall in Ashton/Burdick’s office while they discuss the case. I bet they laugh their butt’s off at Dumb/Dumber. I do think Finnell is competent & stable, LOL, she will possibly be able to keep them out of the “Penalty Phase” while she now “tries to save KC’s life.” I think most of us think, “Why bother & what for?”
LindaNewYork, did you see where the “BELIEVABLE response was written by joypath?” It’s hard to read comments such as “he77″ when everything they say is wrong, I agree with you! It was ALL believable to me, I never doubted it.
judypc, Baez continues to behave so “infantile,” continuing to whine about & beg for money, if Judge P doesn’t allow it the first time, he gets Mason to help him “jumble the words” so he can file another MOTION. At some point this Defense BETTER buckle down & figure out what lies they are going to tell for the “31 days missing & the imaginanny” during Closing Arguments. WHO will do the Closing Argument? Can Baez NOT being DP Qualified? Would it be grounds for appeal?
Hi Judy
(1) What was it about this case that drew you to it, and what has kept you interested?
answer: MD’s blog was where I read about it, I was not interested till the dp became an issue and now I just don’t believe my eyes to see what is going on
(2) What person involved has touched your emotions the most?
answer: Caylee
(3) Do you feel bloggers have had an effect on this case?
answer: Hope not. Jurors will probably be influenced by them though. Difficult to say what is still ethical and where is the line being crossed.
(4) Do you think the information found on the blogs has been more useful or informative than more customary outlets such as network media?
answer: Most of it is nonsense but to be fair and honest, MD’s blog (if I get a chance to read it lol,) is good with info in English I can grasp. The other media (that would be internet news) proved to be not accurate just as well as some blogs. Journalism is not doing this case justice.
And JB Mission’s blog of course is the most interesting.
Ina, I can not reprint your statement in full, as I do not have permission from the other blog owner to use his tag, I would as well need a statement from you saying something along the line of I give my permission to use my statement and name.
Thank you.
Hope that is ok? I don’t sign in blood; the beheaded chicken just got away
Prosecutors and the defense in the case against Casey Anthony are apparently having a dispute via email (read motion) about how much the judge ordered the defense to divulge about what its experts will be saying at Casey’s murder trial in May.
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READ: Motion To Compel Details Emails
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The defense won’t give prosecutors specifics, only what the experts’ fields of expertise are, which prosecutors say they could have gotten over the Internet.
Prosecutors believe the defense is defying the court’s order.
The judge gave the defense until Friday to turn over the information in writing.
Hi Judy! The link didn’t come thru above. Where is it?
OK, I found it. I am not surprised that Baez conducts himself in an unprofessional, smarmy d-head way. An a-hole and a mumbling, bumbling good ‘ole BOY.
How is it a “fair” fight if you do not provide what you seemingly are supposed to? Not surprised either that those two scums would “cheat” to try to win an aquittal for that inmate who murdered her little girl. Either they are as dumb as they look and act and Casey has them wrapped around her murdering little finger and they actually believe she did not murder her daughter OR they are doing whatever it takes~CHEAT~ to get her off of murder charges. THIS is “reciprocal” discovery?
IMO, the prosecution is going to kick their smarmy *sses in court.
Sorry about the link Linda, it was ch9 for any one else wanting it.
How good do they feel at the end of the day knowingly defending a guilty client. How good would they feel if she was actually acquitted??
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Linda, I believe they feel just fine at the end of the day. I think we keep trying to give these asses our own morals, but they have their own ethical values (if you could call it that!). Their sense of right and wrong differs from most of ours. Thank God. You asked, “How good would they feel if she was actually acquitted?” HA! They’d “party like it’s 1999” with Prince if they ever got her off. I don’t think they would lose a second of sleep over it. I myself however might never sleep soundly again. I worry about society as it is but can you imagine the courts infested with lots of josés and caseys? All of our news coming from nancy grace/jvm, and shows like Geraldo shaping the minds of our youth? I mean it’s already heading in that direction but we still have options right now. Or at least we tell ourselves we do ~ ha ha.
ART TART! It would be hilarious if Barrett sued him. Please God make it so. I would give up eating butter for one month if she did.
Also, you mentioned the resources this case has eaten up while so many others are ignored. Besides the actual murder, it is this that causes me the most distress. And for what? A low-classy family like the anthony’s and a lying skanky nobody. It’s too much.
There are a few who’s books I’d buy cause they’d all be able to talk about their own unique perspective of the case. Kathi B’s might be funny and frustrating, while Bill S’s would be from a respected defense attorney’s point of view watching from a distance. Besides them I’d like to hear Burdock and Ashton’s, although I’m sure it would not be allowed (maybe when they retire?), judy’s, and NeJames of course. I didn’t hear he would give profits to TES. The guy has class. There might be others but off the top of my head I know I’d buy those.
BEES KNEES, In the OJ Simpson Case, Marcia Clark, Prosecutor wrote a book but left the DA’s office as well as Christopher Darden, Asst. Prosecutor & he did cameos in a few Lifetime movies as well as co-starred in one! (a murder mystery of course!) I enjoyed C Darden’s book, which, imo, was terribly sad as he said he sat down with the Goldman Family as well as Nicole’s family, Darden showed them “EVERY STEP OJ took, even when he turned around, they had ALL the details & explained every move OJ made to the families,’ BUT they failed to get the “conviction.” Sometimes when murderer’s THINK they get off, KARMA “catches up with the scumbag & they find themselves in jail, just as OJ is today, hopefully for the remainder of his SORRY life.” NO BODY CARES! WHO will write that book from the STATE’S PERSPECTIVE, it could be a Detective, an Attorney not involved in the Case but is able to interview the STATE or a TRUE Crime writer that has followed the case since the beginning through the verdict. I guess Fanning could write a second part to the story, but someone with an “inside view of the STATE’s case would make an interesting read.” Belich could write a book, those that report on Murder Cases write books all the time. I don’t think ANY ONE that has kept up with the case would buy a Book by the Anthony’s, except Yo Hola, WHY would we PAY MONEY to read more lies?
judypc/LindaNewYork/hi Ina,
I too agree, what an IDIOT Baez continues to be! The hearing before last, Judge P said two or three times, “MR. BAEZ LED ME TO BELIEVE………!” WHEN will Judge P understand that unless it is “written in a Motion or ruling, BAEZ will continue to LEAD JUDGE P to believe his lies!
WHY Baez acts like such a fool, unethical, embarrassing, the same behavior that validated the decision of the Fla. Lic. Board of Attorney’s to WITHHOLD BAEZ’S LICENSE TO PRACTICE LAW FOR 8 YEARS! He is STILL OF SAME CHARACTER!
This article was interesting BUT WHAT WAS MORE INTERESTING was the Video within the article on the right side in which T Lenamon was on CNN last night commenting on KC’s Case & the strategies Lenamon wanted as opposed to what Baez wanted. Hornsby said Lenamon probably said TOO MUCH, but it is interesting!
http://americaspeaksink.com/2010/12/casey-anthony-a-beautiful-mind/
Have you seen this?
Attorneys In Casey Case Get Into Email Dispute
Prosecutors and the defense in the case against Casey Anthony are apparently having a dispute via email about how much the judge ordered the defense to divulge about what its experts will be saying.
http://www.wftv.com/index.html
You mentioned “he77” above. Bloggers like “he77” are either one of three things (at least imo).
1. somebody with a small life, bored completely out of their minds ~ sole purpose is to create discord and rile up the other bloggers
2. someone with legitimate limited comprehension (like JW)
3. someone whose interest would be best served if casey was acquitted (fame/fortune)
It is my firm belief that no one, NO ONE, believes she is innocent. Anyone who tells me they do, falls into one of those three categories.
That sounds like a good link, art tart. Did you know of Lenamon before you ever heard of the anthonys? Thanks. Off for a listen.
Perry has baez’ number. I’m really counting on him. His “Bear in mind” admonishments have lost a little of the initial buzz, no matter how often he reminds them of Fridays and Saturdays it sounds slightly hollow when in his next breath he extends their deadlines for a few more weeks which is what he did on Monday.
Judy, just wanted to let you know I haven’t forgotten about your questions. I’m having a busy week but hoping for a lazy weekend.
BEES, I began reading about T Lenamon from this case, but I do respect him, he said when A Lyon’s left, “This is a BIG LOSS for KC’s defense, A Lyon’s DID put KC’s interest first in the the case.” It seemed a “bitch slap” to Baez but of course he didn’t get it. It wasn’t lost on most of us, he is correct imo.
In that article, I don’t agree as from whast I have read, seems KC may be “borderline personality & or a sociopath,” neither are excuses for murdering your child NOR will the jury care, imo.
BEES, that email dispute needs to be “settled immediately it would seem,” as the depositions are coming up. I bet Ashton has a MOTION TO PROPEL ready to “fire off” tomorrow BUT Baez has until 4:00 to produce. WITH Ashton telling Baez that he re-watched that portion of the hearing, “he has warned Beaz!” Can’t wait for the chit to hit the fan tomorrow!
Judge P NEEDS to do something about Baez, when will Judge P get a “gut full of the moron?” Not soon enough imo!
sure wish Ashton had not blacked out parts of the emails.
Think Judge Perry should see all of Hell Boys words, show what a nice fella he really is.
I too am waiting for the Judge to finally put the hammer down on this troop of defense hacks.
Beginning to wonder if it will ever happen, Jokin Jose’ & Mason need to leave that courtroom one time with the full weight of the Judges foot up their arse.
He needs to tighten the rope now, so at trial they will know no funny stuff will be allowed.
I am sick to death of watching them get away with this foolishness, and walk out of the court huff & puff for the camera’s and grow more arrogant.
They need to be smacked down, and smacked down hard!!
Then maybe they will learn to respect the court, the judge, and the other attorneys.
They expect the state to follow the rules to the letter, when will they?
Caseys defense team wants to hire an expert who specializes in bones and fossilized remains.
The defense has filed a motion asking that Judge Perry approve the expense.
HUH… excuse me but isn’t that what Kathy Reichs does?
How many experts do they need to do one job?
Judge Perry ordered that defense not only list the names of their expert witnesses for prosecutors, but also turn over notes, photos and video the experts have taken.
Also ordered defense to give prosecutors information about what field each of the experts will be addressing.
Okay, time to dream good night all.
Baez’s reply to Mr. Ashton is very rude and unprofessional, it shows much about his ego and mental state.
Baez has a chip on his shoulder, it took forever for him to get his license to practice law (we all can see why), his stint at the Pubic Defenders Office was that of a copy/errand boy (Hey Baez…Some coffee over here and keep your thumbs out of it this time !). He’s never been able to shine. Till now ??
It seems that Baez tries to bring confusion to the Court Room, he never stays on topic, always has a snide remark to make, and keeps bringing up the same motions over and over (much like a spoiled child who won’t take “NO” for an answer), and tries all he can not to comply with rulings.
Well Baez has found fame, somewhat, and all it took was the murder of a little girl and the fumbling of over $300,000…What a guy.
Yes the box/text is jumping around, this site seems to be under attack in more ways than one.
OOPS….
Public Defenders…
art tart said, on December 2, 2010 at 5:52 pm — quite presumptuous of you to make certain statements!
I have a question about the defense expert witnesses and hope someone knows the answer. If the state depos a listed defense expert witness and then the defense decides not to use them at trial because they have nothing exculpatory to offer (maybe even have findings inadvertently supporting the state’s case) can the state still call them in as a witness?
I just wonder if all, or the majority, of the experts on the defense list will be used or if the long list is just to bog down the state with time consuming depos in preparation for trial.
Terry, I don’t think so because the time would have passed for the notification of the prosecutions witnesses to the court and defense. I don’t know if they would know if the defense isn’t going to use them till trial? Maybe Joypath will give us her opinion on your question.
Haazka, I don’t agree! At every opportunity you have “supported the Anthony’s,” evening at times saying to many, “Do you know them, etc. to many of us.
Valhall addressed that very type of question at Hinky Meter to “get real” who ask that snarkly at several commenter’s! Valhall said: “get real, Because THAT’S what we do, we discuss! We don’t have to know the Anthony’s! We know a lot about them from their videos, National Interview’s, Local Interviews, Depositions Civil & State, emails, letters sent to KC as well as NeJames, Rick Pleasa, the list is endless!” Those following the case Haazka, know more about the Anthony’s than, imo, anyone would want to know about the family of a murder victim THAT& sadly, it’s embarrassing & horrendous. Thank GOD they are OUT OF OUR FACES!
FINALLY they are listening to their attorney’s, CA is sweating what D CASEY has shared with the STATE as there is” NO confidentiality between the nut job PI & the nut job client’s, the Anthony’s. The ANT’s have to be sweating WHAT L Buchanan is sharing as she is going to have to “ADMIT who was involved with her in her tampering case!” GA has to be sweating “the difference is a LIE or LIES told between the Grand Jury & his State Deposition.
The Anthony’s are overexposed, disliked, judged by the VERY behavior they have interjected into this case instead of DEMANDING JUSTICE for Caylee.
There is absolutely “nothing wrong with buying or supporting anything the Anthony’s last deal puts out for the public.” Personally, I just can’t STOMACH anything they do to promote themselves & Bilk Caylee’s murder for money anymore. I ONLY assumed, since you have “projected in your comment’s to other’s, that you are an Anthony supporter.” Again, there is certainly nothing wrong with that, it is not my opinion of this dysfunctional family, imo, poor Caylee lived in a home of unstable adults, all with their own agendas, all continuing even after the MURDER OF CAYLEE to promote them.
Valhall just addressed: UNDERSTANDING THE EMAILS BETWEEN ASHTON & BAEZ! Always a good read!
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/12/02/caylee-anthony-case-understanding-the-dispute-between-baez-and-ashton/
Yes, art tart. Yours is the million dollar question:
“Judge P NEEDS to do something about Baez, when will Judge P get a “gut full of the moron?”
Does anyone have a theory or an opinion as to why Perry is so tolerant of this terrible, terrible, terrible defense team? Would love to hear other people’s understanding of this.
Terry’
unless the State has them added to their list as well then no, they can not call them as a witness.
Only after the defense has called them to the stand are they open to the states questions.
Art, yes I listened to the video, Jose’ should have followed the advise and tried to work a deal.
But he was blinded by the spotlight.
The defense experts belong per se to the defense and can be called to the stand by the defense. The defense witness will be testifying to information that he/she will be presenting under oath at trial, IF CALLED. Here’s where the reports make a difference, it brings into focus what the point of differing material or interpretation MIGHT be. The information provided by Baez is absurd, it is essentially offering a dictionary term vs an insight as to the eventual testimony of the expert. The principle of the case/trial is to “establish the truth of the event” with the jury as the evaluators of fact based on common sense and findings under the caveat of behavior of reasonable doubt. AGAIN, the factoids of 31 days of a missing, unreported child, child NEVER reported by the maternal unit, abundant misinformation presented once the child was acknowledged as “missing” will quell any reasonable doubt as to the primary participant in the event. Next hurdle is to establish the connection of that individual to/with the recovery site and any other death related site (s)/or specific implements associated to the homicide. Consider this case a wall with each piece of circumstantial evidence a brick and the aforementioned actions as the mortar.
BEES KNEES, “jennyb” at Hinky opined that she thought that Judge P may be “overly prided about his appeal record.” I have to agree with her, but imo, the NEXT Indigent Attorney will file an appeal naming Baez as “misappropriating KC’s Trust Account!” IMO, that may not be so hard to do as Baez apparently “hasn’t kept adequate records & even admitting he hadn’t kept up with his “billable hours but he damn sure pocketed $ $ 90,000.00 for a ton of failed MOTIONS.” The ANT’s imo, will “scream how inept the Defense was, I can just see it now. They will use that time too for promoting their latest project with Jim Litchenstien, but they WON’T be whining to Maggie Rodrigue, she lost her job as well as the other guy that has been on the early show for 17 yrs. GOOD RIDDANCE!
judypc, good explanation about witnesses & I agree about Terrance Lenamon, he is really a gentleman, I have always had the feeling that his “client’s best interest is what is always MOST important to him,” gosh, we have NOT seen this from the smirking Jose & Mason, after this case, Mason doesn’tneed the money from further work & will probably go on & retire, BUT Baez imo, won’t get a lot of new client’s because he is a good lawyer, imo, the lucrative career he thought he was nurturing has “blown up in his smirking face.” LOL! Everybody sees it but him.
joypath,said:
the factoids of 31 days of a missing, unreported child, child NEVER reported by the maternal unit, abundant misinformation presented once the child was acknowledged as “missing” will quell any reasonable doubt as to the primary participant in the event.
joypath, AFTER all the drama that may play out in the Courtroom, the 31 Days Missing will “not be overcome with bull chit that Mason & Baez dream up,”you are exactly correct. The common sense jury as you pointed out will feel as the majority of those following the case, you don’t report your daughter missing, EVE? BECAUSE, she was never missing, she was DEAD!
The closing argument given by the STATE Attorney’s will be overwhelmingly sad, Ashton will describe Caylee’s last moments imo as he has done before, then, they will close with a huge video of Caylee’s last known video, sitting in Great Grand Pa’s lap at the nursing home singing you are my sunshine.” It sickens me to think about! There won’t be a dry eye, EXCEPT for KC!
Prosecutors have added the name of Zenaida Gonzalez to their witness list for the murder trial against Casey Anthony.
Gonzelez, who was suing Anthony for ruining her good name, appeared in the names added to the prosecution’s witness list for the trial. Prosecutors said they will use Gonzalez to argue that Anthony knowingly let her fall under suspicion because she knew that the baby sitter of the same name, who she blamed for kidnapping her daughter Caylee, doesn’t exist.
Source wesh2
Also on the list is Ricardo Morales, Anthony’s former boyfriend who photographed Caylee with her mother in a shirt that was later found in tatters at the Suburban Drive crime scene, and corrections officer Sylvia Hernandez who admittedly allowed Anthony to correspond with a jailhouse pen pal against policy, prosecutors said.
The defense team, meanwhile, was scheduled to turn over to the court a list of new witnesses who they claimed could support their contention that someone other than Anthony had put her daughter’s remains in the woods.
(So far no list has been found)
judypc, thanks, I didn’t know exactly what ZG would testify too, I assumed about going to Sawgrass & her application for an apt! BUT! The fact is as you stated, KC DID let ZG fall under suspiciion, NOT ONLY THAT! CA went on a National Televised interview “with FULL knowledge ZG had been cleared, CHOSE not to use the PUBLIC format to “clear ZG’s good name!” CA was forced to admit this in her Civil Deposition, that too pissing her off! Just like Roy Kronk, “the Defense CHOSE to put him under suspicion with absolutely NOTHING to tie him to the murder of Caylee. Apparently, Brandon Snow wasn’t “going to be harassed by the scumbag investagor working for Baez, with Jill Kerley a convicted felon, it’s ridiculous to keep up the game.” I HOPE Roy Kronk sues the chit out the Defense, I hope an attorney steps forward PRO BONO to help clear his name as the Defense won’t do so.
Sylvia Hernadez, imo, could testify too that KC “wasn’t concerned with her murdered daughter & imo, Sylvia probably never saw KC cry one time.” The public has seen KC cry on once or twice, she was “pissed at Ashton’s description of Caylee’s last moments,” but I thought it might have been “more anger when she demanded he stop to A Lyon’s.
Art:
My thoughts are the Zenaida Gonzalez story has many twist and turns in it, there are just so many angles one can take with it.
If they are all just happenstance then Karma was really in the game to bring Casey down.
(1) the old children’s stories with Zanny the Nanny.
(2) the apartment.
(3) Zenaida’s boyfriend worked at the tattoo shop where Casey got inked.
(4) Casey’s coded message to the Family ” Shes Close to home” Zanaida Fernandez-Gonzales. two houses on Hopespring Drive owned by a Fernandez and a Gonzales, and Caylee was found just behind those houses, walk out of the back yard and you are just feet from where her little body lay.
(5) theT.V. murder mystery with a Zenaida as the lead detective hunting down a killer that left bodies in wooded lots.
If these all just coincidence then holy smokes Karma is a BADA## son of a gun!!
judypc, LOL, lots to think about w/ZG, you suggested ideas I never thought of! I bet Morgan & Associates will have the last laugh as well as many other’s!
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JUST when I thought we couldn’t stand another comment from the Anthony’s, I had hoped they had gone back to their miserable lives, a lot of their own making, I figured that were “brainstorming & trying to firgue a new angle to BILK money from Caylee’s murder BUT they have spoken!”
I N T E R J E C T E D themelves A G A I N!
The Anthony’s said through their attorney’s, guess the attorney’s aren’t gettin any money so they are glad to interject themselves too!
Meanwhile, Anthony’s parents, George and Cindy Anthony, issued a statement Thursday responding to rumors that the couple were experiencing marital problems.
“Without detracting from the case involving their daughter please be advised that they are not having any type of marital issues,” the couple said through their attorney. “Any rumors or speculation about a separation or divorce are exactly that, just rumors or speculation.”
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WHO CARES what the “Unstable Anthony’s are doing”? This case is ABOUT THE MURDER OF A PRECIOUS CHILD! I continue to be OUTRAGED by these idiot’s.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-attorneys-argue-casey-anthony-20101202,0,6307439.story
KC “hammed it up in Court during the swearing in ceremony as an Attorney for one of Baez’s grunts, NOW, the ridiculous GA/CA HAVE TO INTERJECT THEMSELVES AGAIN! Here’s a NEWS FLASH TO CA! You don’t have a marriage, you are the “controller of a murdering daughter & an unstable adult man that taught KC HOW TO STEAL FROM YOU CA! WHY doesn’t someone SLAP CA DOWN! Rick Pleasa NEEDS to point MORE facts out to some of the most disgusting grandparent’s I have ever seen in my life! jmo!
Yes Cindy, it’s all “rumors and speculation”, just like everything Casey told you about Caylee, the sitter(s), her job, her life, it’s all just “rumor and speculation” cause you really don’t know what your lil’ Casey has been up to or even what she was doing for all of caylee’s life and more.
Also Cindy, do you think the public believes anything you say anymore ?? Really ??
Here’s a few facts to mull over.
(FACT)Fickle Fay as it has been called – finally headed out of state Aug. 24 after making a historic four landfalls in Florida.
The storm system, which left behind record rainfalls of up to 30 inches.
(FACT) On SUN, September 7, 2008-Apprrox. 1,200 volunteers gathered to search for Caylee, this is TWO weeks after Fay.
NOW Mason expects us to believe 15 to 20 people were able to search that LOW laying lot.
(FACT) Tim Miller said they needed to wait for the ground to dry before continuing the search.
TES announced it was suspending its search for Caylee Anthony due to environmental conditions and concerns.
”If Caylee is out there and if we’re going through with four wheelers and horses, we may accidentally run over her cause she’s under the water or we don’t see her. We don’t want to push her in the mud or destroy something,” said Tim Miller.
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Per Team Casey in a motion filed to keep the D.P off the table.
Her lawyer wrote,
“The crime was not cold, calculated and premeditated.
In the months
leading up to Caylee’s disappearance, Anthony’s behavior was described by friends and family as “erratic and not entirely rational.”
He wrote that filicide – the act of a parent killing a child – is different
than other homicides. The underlying reasons why mothers kill are complex and
can be divided into various categories. For example, one type is a parent who
kills under influence of mental illness.
Another type suggests a parent’s motive may be to save the child from real
or imagined harm. Juries are more likely to show mothers mercy.
He mentioned Andrea Yates – a Texas mother who drowned all five children –
was sentenced to life in prison. Susan Smith, the Arkansas mother
who pushed her car with her two children inside in a lake, got life in
prison.
Now ask yourself was he admitting Casey’s guilt?
Judypc:
Great summary from the long forgotten and unfortunately for the inmate, ignored FIRST DP lawyer TL. Rather nice of him to leave out one HUGE category of participants in filicide: the just plain “nasty, evil, selfish” individual which I believe tends to describe more than a few of the “egg & spermatozoa donors” I’ve had the misfortune to meet. Really, how daring of this particular lawyer to attempt to mitigate the DP for the inmate by using Andrea Yates (clinically diagnosed) AND then Susan Smith (getting her “girl-juices up”, NOT protecting her boys from HARM). I’ve had cases where the egg donor has microwaved, boiled, buried alive, abandoned & frozen offspring(s) just to have time with a “special man”, time to SHOP, time to “PARTY” etc. Yep, the DP is on the table for the heinous crime and filicide should be considered such!
Friday came, and Friday passed without the promised list of the found 15 to 20 people that searched the VERY spot Caylee was found that Mason boasted of yet again, this is twice he has made a claim of finding searchers that walked the grounds of Caylees makeshift graveyard.
I have to ask, how many times does a person get to lie, before they are called a liar?
How many times do you get to blow smoke, before people begin to choke?
How many times does team Casey get to make a mockery of the court, before the judge says, game over?
Hi all!
So, I haven’t seen (read) ANY “rumors” whatsoever anywhere that I read, about C&G having marital problems. And really, who cares? Were they feeling left out?
Charges: ANTHONY, CASEY MARIE
Date
1. FIRST DEGREE MURDER 782.04(1)(A)(1) Capital Offense 06/15/2008
2. AGGRAVATED CHILD ABUSE 827.03(2) Second Degree – Felony 06/15/2008
3. AGGRAVATED MANSLAUGHTER OF A CHILD 782.07(3) First Degree – Felony 06/15/2008
4. FALSE INFO TO LEO RE MISSING PERSON OR FELONY 837.055 First Degree – Misd 06/15/2008
5. FALSE INFO TO LEO RE MISSING PERSON OR FELONY 837.055 First Degree – Misd 06/15/2008
6. FALSE INFO TO LEO RE MISSING PERSON OR FELONY 837.055 First Degree – Misd 06/15/2008
7. FALSE INFO TO LEO RE MISSING PERSON OR FELONY 837.055 First Degree – Misd 06/15/2008
art tart,
Do you really think that adding on a charge of Abuse of a Corpse to the above is really necessary given the above charges. I think Abuse of a Corpse would be another lesser included offense. Don’t want to give the jury that option. I might add that I don’t think at this point they could prove it. Even if they could she likely would serve the time for it consecutively. If she gets the DP or LWOP, it won’t matter anyway. Maybe joypath could give us her take.
Whoops, did they drop the child abuse when they charged her with murder?
I may be wrong but, I thought they did, and charged her with 1st degree murder of a child with aggravating circumstances.
Abuse of a Corpse I think is not a felony offense, maybe different in Florida, but I want to say it is a misdemeanor that carries a fine and very minimal jail time.
abuse of a corpse, a misdemeanor of the second degree (M2), or gross abuse of a corpse, a felony of the fifth degree (F5). It appears likely that most, if not all, persons violating these existing prohibitions would be charged with the more serious offense of gross abuse of a corpse.
Table 1 below illustrates the sentences and penalties for abuse of corpse under current law.
M2
Up to 90 days in jail
Not more than $750
Gross abuse of a corpse (treating a corpse in a way that would outrage reasonable community sensibilities)
F5
6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, or 12 months in prison
Not more than $2,500
Yikes, did not grab the web addy, searched for abuse of a corpse,
LindaNewYork, so good to see you commenting, you have a way of “expressing yourself that I find humorous!” I posted a link the other day, but the article wasn’t about the Anthony’s. It just happened to be the last two paragrapghs of an article! LOL! That Ecossie Possie is entertaining, he posted the link but I had read it several times & didn’t notice it till he brought it up at Hinkey! You are right! WHO CARES, that they thought they needed to say anything at all, they make me want to barf.
The ANT Comment should have said: ” “We are NOT Divorcing, Gas Can George has his panties in a WAD because KC accused him along with Lee of sexual abuse, he CERTAINLY doesn’t have a job as he is preparing to be “thrown under the bus”! GA is only pouting, we are hard at work trying to “brainstorm with Jim Litchenstien how to make the “maximum payday off Cayee’s murder!” THEY MAKE ME SICK!
Whoops, NO, I don’t think another charge for KC at this point matters. What really pisses me off is that the “Defense thinks they are going to profit from the deteriortion of little Caylee’s remains. I too am STILL ANGRY at what a “lazy butt” Cain was, WHY IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK LE to just do their job? What I found funny about Cain, he filed a claim for “wrongful termination,” LOL, he dropped that pretty damn fast. Just continues to show what a MORON he was.
judypc, there are “no pending charges about KC getting any further charges.” Someone commented at Hinky today that they had watched a show & the murderer was charged with “abuse of a corpse!” NO! It wasn’t LindaNewYork that saw that show but I did respond to the commenter. jmo, it was horrendous, to dump your child in a swamp “knowing that critter’s would feed on her remains,” KC praying all the while that Caylee would never be found & if she ever was, her remains would be scattered just as they were.
I CAN’T WAIT! The STATE have turned the documents over to the Defense on NUT JOB Laura Buchanan. Can we assume that Baez will “Hold on to them as long as he can?”
The Defense has filed another MOTION asking for Judge P to “cover their moronic butt’s because they just can’t seem to UNDERSTAND the JAC handbook, or they just don’t bother. Baez has used someone in recording a Deposition that isn’t approved by the JAC & the cost was $800.00 plus MORE over what is allowed. Instead of “MANNING UP & EATING HIS MISTAKE, Baez wants the taxpayer’s to SUCK IT UP! imo, Judge P “shouldn’t allow this ONLY because it was avoidable.” Because Baez REFUSES to “comprehend WHAT the guidelines are for the JAC, he thinks he is OWED because he is stupid. Meanwhile, little Caylee is LOST IN THE PROCESS of “punishing her murderer!” JUSTICE IS COMING!
A person commits the offense of gross abuse of a corpse if the person, unless authorized by law, treats a human corpse in a way that would outrage reasonable community sensibilities. Gross abuse of a corpse is a felony of the fifth degree. (Existing sec. 2927.01(A), (B), and (C).)
“Yikes, did not grab the web addy, searched for abuse of a corpse,”
Here is the link to Baez’s latest SNAFU!
http://www.wftv.com/video/26034902/index.html
art tart, there’s only 100+ pages, so we could be optimistic that the state will have these prepared for Sunshine quickly. Baez has no say about holding off, he’s got his copies, the state will give us ours.
Goodmorning, art tart and all!
Just WTH did Laura Buchanan have to gain in “helping” Casey Anthony. Did she want to get a murderer set free? 15 minutes of fame?! WTH!!
LindaNewYork, isn’t it a “hell of a note” that there are some that have interjected themselves into Caylee’s case, including the grand parent’s with their own agenda, SADLY not seeking JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE. WHAT brought Buchanan to “Orlando in the first place, was it to “Search for Caylee?” WHY would she give a damn about a baby murderer? WHY would she lie? Is CA her BFF? I agree, WTH!
art tart …… I must comment… been reading of late, and not commenting …. but…. YOUR statement questioning “there are some that have interjected themselves into Caylee’s case, including the grand parent’s with their own agenda, SADLY not seeking JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE …” is most peculiar to me… the grandparents of all people are involved in Caylee’s case! More to the point, perhaps we, the numerous bloggers are interjecting ourselves into the case!
BURRRRRRR baby it’s cold!!!
Okay which of you dang yankee’s sent all this cold mess to us southerners, GRRRRRROWL.
Now, does anyone know when they all prance into see the judge again?
I reallllly want to not miss them explaining why they need MO Money, and why that list of 15/20 folks has not been turned in.
Also want to see them explain to the judge WHY they need those extra bucks to cover the court reporter fees when Judge Perry TOLD them he could supply a court reporter cheap.
And WHY didn’t Jose’ know the price BEFORE they hired someone.
When you hire someone, isn’t one of your first question “HOW MUCH DO YOU CHARGE” ?
Hazaka, MOST grand parent’s are HONEST & cooperative when a child is missing,they plead for the child’s return, the ANT’s were NOT! Immediately both the Anthony’s QUIT their jobs & hit the media circuit promoting FALSE Caylee sightings & PROMOTING themselves while selling ALL the memories they could of Caylee, just to make a buck. Judge Pirro stated that CA “circled the wagons immediately, stars were born in their own minds, & the coverup for a murdering daughter began.” Did you follow the case from the beginning because IF you did, you should understand how these miserable grand parent’s have “undermined the STATE’S prosecution of the MURDER of Caylee!” Judge Pirro also said as well as many other Legal contributor’s that the Anthony’s & the Defense “have made this case sensational by keeping up the drama & keeping it in the news by continually making the Media Tour.” Sadly, BOTH AGENDAS were the $$$$$$.
BLOGGER’S discuss the case with those following the case, the facts, the Court procedures, Motions & Rulings, Marianade Dave is the ONLY blogger I know of that INTERJECTED himself into this case! Laura Buchanan, Joy Wray, the Anthony’s have all “successfully interjected themselves in this case, the Anthony’s had an agenda & will until they have bilked the last dime from Caylee’s murder! The Anthony’s have “successfully shown what liars they are, again & again on National Media, it’s too late for them to NOW shut up, but OH! They didn’t, they had their Attorney’s issue a statement & INTERJECTED themselves again into the case.
Hal Bodeker wrote a topic at Orlando Sentinel that he “hadn’t heard anything about the Marriage of the Anthony’s,” NOR has anybody else, nor does anyone care, but hey, they had to MAKE the case again about them. The self destructive parent’s of KC, share many of her characteristics, IF they had just kept their mouths SHUT, nobody would have known the “insanity & instability” that apparently plagued this family for many years, ALL of Caylee’s short life until her mother finally murdered her.
This case NEVER WAS & NEVER WILL BE about these miserable grand parent’s. THEY still don’t get it, same trait as their daughter, they think it’s all about them.
Art:
Most of us get together daily if just to read, I have not seen folks anywhere talking about the A’s divorcing or anyone that would really give a flying fig.
Whats so rich is they release this statement, then have the brass balls to tell people to “mind their own beeswax”
EXCUSE ME CINDY, keep your beeswax to yourself.
Looks like she was feeling left out because she hasn’t been in the spotlight lately, gosh darn Casey & her lousy lawyers are getting all the attention.
ORLANDO, Fla. — Casey Anthony’s defense received more evidence from prosecutors in her murder case. Among the 119 pages of documents are Texas EquuSearch documents from volunteer Laura Buchanan.
Buchanan is under investigation by the Orange County Sheriff’s Office for allegedly falsifying documents to help Casey. She claims she and others searched the woods, three months before Caylee’s remains were found there, and found nothing.
Investigators say the area was under water at that time.”
DANG NABIT I want to see those 119 pages.
art tart — why do you insist on YELLING…. and yes, I have followed this from its inception …. and there are points that you perceive that I disagree with….. but…. they are the child’s grandparents …. no matter what; therefore, your comment that they are interjecting themselves into this is odd to me…. … and btw… I have great issues with J. Pirro and her need for the spotlight. “Nuff said.
Correction, ” They were the child’s grandparents”
judypc, there are many bloggers that I really enjoy reading their contributions, they share links & information, discuss the case & most have a common bond for JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE! I continue to be “appalled by the Anthony’s, for all the attention they have sought promoting themselves, KC is about to EXPLAIN for the last time to them how much she hates them. The Penalty Phase is going to SHUT THEM UP, what are they then going to do, go on a National Media Tour claiming KC IS A LIAR? LOL! So are they!
I read a blogger’s comment that said the Anthony Attorney’s probably released CA’s statement about the state of her marriage to get CA to SHUT UP, LOL, most blogger’s thought it was a joke! I am STILL WAITING for them to DEMAND JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE but then, that wouldn’t be about them & self serving.
Art, OMG, can you all just imagine for a moment what this trial is going to be like?
The mass cluster #@%$ it will be.
Court reporters loosing their minds trying to figure out Mason’s mumblings, having to transcribe ten thousand Huh… huh.. But.. Well… from stuttering Jose’
Casey clinching her jaw and fist that vein popping in her forehead when Ashton & Burdick address the court, poking her eyes to make tears, dab dab dabbing at her eyes with that wadded tissue.
Cindy screaming throwing fits and having to be hauled out of the courthouse in restraints.
Lee’s ridiculous laughing.
Georges hysterics and phony weeping, heck he might even try to toss someone out a window, throw a few chairs into the hall.
Mason & Jose’ gleaming for the camera’s and spouting off about imaginary witness they have locked away in a secret hiding place, that only they know about.
Pointing at have of Orlando as suspects.
December 20 at 1:30 PM, next court date.
listed on Orange County Clerk website.
judypc said,—- please — don’t attempt a sematic contest with me — you will lose. I AM my parent’s daughter …and they are both dead. Therefore, the Anthony’s ARE the child’s grandparents.
judpc …sorry the post got away from me before I corrected the typo… SEMANTIC ….
judypc, I can’t even imagine how far the Anthony’s & Mason/Baez are willing to go to “Entertain for IN SESSION!” You can bet they will continue to be self serving & self promoting. Those that cover the Trial for TV & Legal Commentaries, imo, WILL PAINT CAYLEE as the Only Victim.
judypc, WHAT IF a week or two into trial, after the STATE has done their opening statement, played you are my SUNSHINE, shown Caylee’s last pic of Great Grand Pa Pleasa, mentioned the 31 days dead, dumping of the body, KC decides she doesn’t want to SUFFER the Humilaton of watching her friends & lover’s describe the liar KC is, her promiscous behavior, & the party pics from the 31 days dead, the list is endless. Could the DEFENSE then BEG for a PLEA on KC’s behalf, she made a complete “fool of herself during the last Status Hearing, smiling & giggling for the cameras.” Death is Different & so is Reality, sadly I guess KC won’t get it till the trial! Baden was right, the STATE wants to “take KC’s life for the horrendous murder of Caylee, ALL the party pics of the 31 days dead & never calling to report Caylee/Dead or missing will make KC a most dispicable defendant to the jury, her behavior & arrogance during the trial will only compound it. I really enjoy Law & Order & often Defendant’s “ask for a PLEA DEAL during the trial,” once they realize they can’t win, that look look guilty even to themselves, Could this possibly happen?
OFF TOPIC, I am saddened to read about Elizabeth Edwards, she is said to be in “grave condition.” I was never a fan of John Edwards, but I admired the dignity Elizabeth showed during grueling questions about JE’s affair & the Love Baby, the humiliation she suffered due to his lies to National Media. WHY media stuck microphones in the face of Riely ?? with her “claiming JE didn’t love Elizabeth, really hateful things iin spite of Elizabeth’s fight with Cancer!” JE could have left ANY time, seems the bimbos don’t get it! Life in NOT FAIR, she has endured losing a 16 yr. old son, now her younger children are said to be at her side, SHE NEEDS OUR PRAYERS!
Hazaka said, on December 7, 2010 at 12:19 pm
judypc said,—- please — don’t attempt a sematic contest with me — you will lose. I AM my parent’s daughter …and they are both dead. Therefore, the Anthony’s ARE the child’s grandparents.
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This comment of yours Hazaka is written proof that judypc could win a semantic contest with you while being half asleep. In other words, since both your parents are dead, the Anthony’s are the child’s grandparents. You are right in your comment but a semantic genius you are not.
Now with regards to Jeanine Pirro. Why do you think she has a need to be in the spotlight? She has a syndicated TV show that runs daily. She is asked to be a commenter on many talk shows regarding not only Casey Anthony but others as well. It seems you problem with her revolves around the fact that she believes that Casey is guilty and that “the most damning evidence, says Pirro, is Casey’s partying while her child was lost or missing” (in other words 31 days). How can you have a problem with that? She carries herself with infinitely more dignity and grace than Nancy Grace or Jane Valez Mitchell. Last but not least, she is entitled to her opinion (a Judges more informed opinion) as you or I do. Of all the legal analysts there are today I give Jeanine Pirro a lot of respect.
Afternoon Whoops,
Judge Pirro used to be a regular on Geraldo before she got her own show & discussed many cases in the news, especially. There are a ton of YOUTUBE Videos of Judge Pirro & Geraldo. Judge Pirro & Kimberly Gilfore, who is also a great former Prosecutor, ate Geraldo’s butt out everytime they had the discussion of KC Anthony.
Judge Pirro also appeared with Geraldo on another talk show in which “Geraldo described CA/GA as dispicable, especially Cindy.” SO! They are not new comments, she is probably too busy at this time to make many shows commenting on cases in the news.
Whoops!——- wrote that the post got away with the typo…. so…. and what you think you know about Jeannie Pirro … on air with Geraldo, etcl….. there is so much more …whatever .. as it’s said … reality is what one perceives… enjoy…
Verb’s used to express ” be ”
“IS” Used to express that which is present, of the now.
Exist
Be alive
Be present
Survive
Subsist
“WERE” used to express an action or a condition that occurred, past tense.
Came about
Came to pass
Ensued
Transpired
“Past Tense” Used to express that which was, but is no more, having been,
Past it.
Ended
Concluded
Terminated
Through
Today Is, Yesterday Was, Caylee was alive, she is not alive today, she is ended, was terminated, she is past it.
They “were” her grandparents, they “are” Casey’s parents, sadly Caylee “WAS” a part of this family.
Yes, reality “is” what one perceives it to be.
Haazaka, I certainly hope your weren’t “being sarcastic about Judge Pirro.” I have followed her career & have been a big fan of her’s for years. Judge Pirro too had a lot to say about Baez & KC making complete fools of themselves openly flirting in Court when the case began, she talked about how “unprofessional the behavior was of both.” I assumed you followed those Court proceedings, they were apalling, a child was murdered & KC, as of the last hearing was still giggling & laughing in court. LONG GONE is the “smitten Baez with his girl,” the reality of who KC is has finally sunken in with Baez, he won’t be making the $$$$$ he dreampt of.
imo, the FOCUS should be on Caylee, the ONLY victim! It’s sad that the Anthony’s nor KC have grasp this fact, they will GET IT during the Penalty Phase.
art tart …. That a young little child was murdered is horrifying….. and that
s the only focus!
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Well, Well, Well, guess I understand WHY Baez kept his mouth shut today & his head down when leaving the deposition! Since KC showed up at Jesse’s apartment claiming to wanted to shower during the 31 days dead, Rev. Grund has susected that KC was there for the sole purose to get Jesse’s DNA & fingerrints to plant at the dump site. KC’s phone pinged around 3:00 am during the 31 days dead near Suburban Drive & we know “KC didn’t drop in on the ANT’s to spend the night!”
imo, I have always susected there was more to Hoover’s interview/depo than we knew, we don’t know what has happened w/D Casey’s investigative deposition, imo, he got full immunity, & aparently “other’s tried to get Jesse’s DNA!”
Simon Barrett is going to try to get the deposition, BUT, someone would have to “request that it be transcribed & pay for it!” imo, the Grund’s & T Miller are the “good guy’s, they have had the unfortuate experience of being associated with the Anthony’s”
YEP! Cindy has a million promblems, with the exception of the murder of Caylee, all her own making! It’s great the Anthony’s have 2 Attorney’s, they are going to need both to cover their butt’s.
“art tart …… I must comment… been reading of late, and not commenting …. but…. YOUR statement questioning “there are some that have interjected themselves into Caylee’s case, including the grand parent’s with their own agenda, SADLY not seeking JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE …” is most peculiar to me… the grandparents of all people are involved in Caylee’s case! More to the point, perhaps we, the numerous bloggers are interjecting ourselves into the case!”
I have to agree Hazaka you are correct. Cindy and George Anthony did not inject themselves into Caylee’s case. We all know they were the primary caregivers of Caylee prior to her murder. They were involved all right. As a matter of fact they were Caylee Marie Anthony’s primary caregivers. Casey Anthony, the egg dispenser, was merely the baby-sitter. Hence, the “birth” of Zanny the nanny. Cindy Anthony knew Casey was a sociopath. She told Casey’s friends she was. But Cindy continued to push Casey and try to control her, knowing there was no controlling Casey. That’s why Caylee is dead.
But SADLY Cindy and George Anthony did have their own agenda and they’ve been working it since July 17/08. Art Tart is quite right when he/she includes their name on the long list of low-lifes who have used the murder of this baby to line their pockets.
I agree with you. Cindy and George Anthony did not interject themselves into the case of Caylee’s murder.
Terrytsk, you haven’t been her for awhile, but, judypc, Doug, & I made lists of ALL THE WAYS these grandparent’s “chose to interject themselves into this case mainly for profit!” There were endless lists of how they have interjected, you can look back & read them as there were over 30 examples of where they INTERJECTED that we listed!
The Anthony’s WERE the primary caretaker’s for Caylee & it was their “responsibility after Caylee was murdered to Demand JUSTICE for Caylee, NOT to obstruct Justice & live off Caylee’s murder.” It was the responsibility of the Anthony’s to TELL THE TRUTH! ALL the drama the Anthony’s CHOSE to live in is not Interjection, it was a dysfunctional family spiraling out of control, sadly Caylee paid the consequences.
Every single time the Anthony’s do anything other than cooperate with LE/FBI/STATE Attorneey’s, they INTERJECT THEMSELVES into the case! I will only list a few ways that the Anthony’s have INTERJECTED themselves into this case & continue to do so, even last week having their Atttorney’s announce they are not have maritial problems! LOL! WHO CARES? You don’t see other’s such as Tony L., Amy H., out PROMOTING THEMSELVES & selling their stories like the Anthony’s, they will sit on the STATE’s side & Demand Justice for Caylee.
1. The Anthony’s INTERJECTING themselves on a MEDIA Tour for profit, spewing lies & Propaganda!
2. M NeJames has called them out for Interjecting Themselves telling them to “QUIT doing the bidding of the Defense in the Media!”
3. Cindy CALLED the New Media TO PROMOTE & INTERJECT HERSELF by donating a pair of Caylee’s shoes, the chairty suffered a backlash from Cindy! ALL she had to do is donate a pair of shoes without CALLING attention to herself, but hell NO! It’s always about Cindy~!
4. Gas Can George called Holly Bristow at Fox so he could be handed a microphone & read his narcissitic letter, “Living Under the Microscope!” GA sold this letter as it had the watermark on it. LOL! Hal Boeder had a great topic on this on HOW these nacissitic grand parent’s WON’T stay out of our face!
5. Calling Holly Bristow yet again to come & out do a Report on the SS Caylee Marie! LOL! Thus far, it HAS NEVER helped in a missing child case! It has been used for fishing!
6. Cindy called the Media, then showed up at Jay Blanchard Park & chewed out LP.
7. Deals were negotiated for the Anthony’s by Conway! They could get real jobs but WHY when they can use the Media to pay trips to New York & spew whatever propaganda they feel like, the good news is: The entire family will suffer for this, especially KC!
Terrytsk, this is interjeting, two self absorbed narcissitic people that both need help. NONE of the above has helped Caylee’s murder case YET it has kept their faces in the media for profit! The Anthony’s will continue to INTERJECT themselves until the Verdict comes down, then they will start all over again, PROMOTING themselves! This doesn’t HELP Caylee one bit, but it has provided the “income for the Anthony’s after they chose to quit their jobs.”
Finnell is going to show everyone that doesn’t get it, exactly WHO GA/CA are! It will be worse than we have imagined, worse than ALL they have done since Caylee’s murder! What goes around, comes around! Though the Anthony’s didn’t murder Caylee, neither adult is “mentally healthy.” .
Terrytsk ———-thank you for your thoughts ….. and no matter whether you’ve been “here” or not — alll that has been noted have been opinions and interjection into a FAMILY MATTER. No matter what … whatever they do…. they ARE THE GRANDPARENTS … for ANYONE not related to make judgements and profer decisions on ANYONE’S behaviour is INTERJECTING into a issue which ISN’T THEIRS …. They, the Anthony’s are part of this tragety since the moment Caylee was reported missing to them. We alll analyzing and reviewing … but in the end …. it really isn’t our issue in particular. Child murder, yes, is a global issue…. but….
FYI: Hearing tomorrow at 5pm at Orange County Courthouse re: the whole motions dispute.
mixologist, thanks for the heads up! I hope Baez is “reprimanded for the defiance of Judge P’s order, at some point Judge P is g\oing to rip Baez a new one! I hope your baby is well & I know this Xmas will be too much fun!
Hazaka, as long as the Anthony’s choose to INTERJECT themselves into the MEDIA for
Drama, profit, & to do the bidding of this miserable defense, Blogger’s will discuss their bazar behavior!” Blogger’s didn’t create the drama & entertainment provided by these grand parent’s, they INTERJECTED again & again in our faces. Most of us are sick to death of these grand parent’s & wish they would just SHUT UP but that won’t happen, Caylee’s got to pay their bills!
Blogger’s will continue to wonder why these grandparent’s are NOT DEMANDING JUSTICE for Caylee. We all “know the answer to that, even you Hazaka!” If you had a grand child, would you not demand Justice if she were murdered? Of course you would, but thus far, the Anthony’s have not!
Does this mean that we will finally see Judge Perry reprimand the defense? Can we hope? Do we dare to?
Tango, the embarassing thing is, even when Judge P tells Baez to do something, then follows it up in writing, Baez still doesn’t do it, not only does he not do it, he thinks a claim of “I’m so stupid I don’t understand should excuse his incompetent behavior.”
I wonder if Judge P thinks “reprimanding Baez” will lead to an “appeal of ineffective counsel, but imo, KC & her new appeal atttorney will scream “miis-use of TRUST Account, & Attorney’s are severely reprimanded for that, one former Def. member, Todd Macaluso is now with a “License to practice law for that very behavior.”
Looks like Judge P is going to give Jose’ a taste of after hours working.
Have not seen will anyone be running this hearing?
I sure hope His Honor has had a BAD DAY, and takes it all out on Mumbles & Mutters ESQ.
Greetings & salutations, all. This evening’s court session should be interesting, after all “tempus est fugiting” and May, 2011 is crawling closer! I doubt that HHJP will provide a “smack down” to the defense gang, rather he will continue to exert his CONTROL of the courtroom & case in the same subtle manner that he has chosen UP TO this point. These are all PRE-trial motions & hearings, a point that needs to be remembered (not minimizing the importance of them but THEY ARE NOT occurring within the purview of a deciding, sitting jury. While members of the defense gang may NOT have many other pressing and important LEGAL issues to attend, those paid by the citizens of Florida DO continue to provide services within the judicial system above and beyond this basic murder case.
On a more “lighthearted” note, overtime compensation to the ancillary participants just might be well appreciated during this holiday season! Heck, this case should be tallied into the “economic stimulus package” by some/any politico since the $$$$$$ spent are boosting the economy for some and unfortunately, straining the tax-base for Floridians but gee, maybe there’s a “porker” in the future from the feds!
art tart said, ——- Please don’t decide how people should conduct themselves after such a horror……………… and I HAVE 3 precious grandpeople….. and who know how I would act…………. to be soooooo judgemental isn’t cool!
Hazaka, I will tell you what’s not COOL! Showing up on a blog & not discussing the case, anything releveant. You want to complain & discuss when someone called Baez a Douche Bag, who cares? You want to discuss the Anthony’s, who cares? imo, the Anthony’s are only the “sideshow that continues to interject themselves into the media, most of us want to discuss today’s hearing, the MOTIONS, etc. Were you aware there were important motions this afternoon or you an continue to whine about the Anthyony’s. We ALL KNOW you are an ANT suppporter, good for you! I am not as most who follow this case.
joypath, afternoon, good to see you! I agree, I hope Judge P actually does something this afternoon with the games Baez has played, I wonder if he just considers the moron inexperienced as when Finnell ask something the last hearing, Judge P said something like, “she was an experienced attorney & should know!”
judypc, I read a posted link at Hinky for FOX ORLANDO. I will get that link & post it if anyone is interested. YEP! I predict Ashton will be “great,” he definitely means “business with his depositions” & apparently Baez is wasting his time. jmo. What’s new?
art tart said,——- I ALWAYS discuss aspect of the case — and fact is, I was replying to your q
art tart said,——- I ALWAYS discuss aspects of the case — and the fact is, I was replying to your question: “If you had a grand child, would you not demand Justice if she were murdered?” —– me thinks you have issues ……. so sorry for what you’ve experienced…. but ….. I suggest.. you calm down.
I think I’ve added to the disharmony on this site by INTERJECTING myself into a debate between ArtTart and Hazaka. That was not my intention. I think it’s a matter of semantics. ArtTart claimed the grandparents of Caylee, George and Cindy Anthony, interjected themselves into the “case” of the murder of their granddaughter who they were raising, prior to her mother (babysitter) removing her from her home and murdering her (IMO).
I agree that Cindy and George Anthony have interjected themselves into the media. They seem to think they’re celebrities. Out of the blue releasing a press release reassuring the peeps that their marriage is not on the rocks. WTF? Who cares. Brad and Angeline they are not. The masses do not care!! Really and truly!! No one cares!! No one was talking about them. What possessed them to think anyone cares enough about their marriage to warrant a press release. Their daughter is charged with capital murder of their beloved granddaughter, facing the death penalty and they’re releasing a statement about the state of their dysfunctional marriage.
I rarely agree with Hazaka (no offence Hazaka, but our opinions our polar opposite in this case) but I feel strongly that George and Cindy did not interject themselves in the case of a murdered 2 year old child like so many of the other players did. I do think Cindy and George Anthony have been living off the back of their murdered grandchild and will continue to do so until the well runs dry and that is dispicable.
Terrytsk — please don’t worry …..you or anyone can agree with my thoughts or not …. but …truth is … I do agree with what you have just said…. the fact that they r grandparents of a murdered child does not cause them to “interject” …. and who among us actually knows how we would react to this horrific situation…………… be well ———
WOO-HOO!!! Finally. Judge Perry made me very happy today. I am so relieved that he’s not going to let the cheap, wanna-be defense lawyers make a mockery out of his courtroonm any longer. It’s about time. I hope he continues in this no-nonsense, logical, rational manner until Caylee’s killer can never again be a threat to innocent people. I hope so many people email JP their support that it crashes his system. The look on mr. nobody’s face at the end of the hearing . . . priceless!
Jose’ seemed to loose that smug grin this evening…gosh I wonder why?
OH. maybe because the Judge just slapped it off his face.
Did anyone else catch Casey rolling her eyes as Ashton spoke?
EGADS I wanted to reach in and slap her.
Jose’ just learned a leason in how not to wizz off the State & a Judge lol.
Since the state has already turned over written reports they can go home and enjoy their weekend, Jose’ now has to have a whole bunch of work done and his experts now have to supply a summary bet they are gonna love that lol.
Wonder when someone is gonna pull that boy aside and show him how real lawyers act?
AND the fun’s not over yet.
Team Casey still has a face off with the JAC ahead, and we see the Judge is finally fed up with their silly games.
Jose’ might need one of those blow up doughnut pillows to set on before this is over. (GRIN)
Terrytsk, you are exactly correct. The Anthony’s did not ask for their grand daughter to be murdered, their daughter did that, they are part of the case in that CA started the entire case by calling 911. (imol, that is not a call she would make today knowing what she knows now!) The FACTS the Anthony’s have to offer in case is what their importance is to the case. They have been difficult, they started lying immediately, but they protect KC at all cost. That is why they are part of the Case. All the other drama they created, is just that, drama for profit.
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Terrytsk said:
I agree that Cindy and George Anthony have interjected themselves into the media. They seem to think they’re celebrities. Out of the blue releasing a press release reassuring the peeps that their marriage is not on the rocks. WTF? Who cares. Brad and Angeline they are not. The masses do not care!! Really and truly!! No one cares!! No one was talking about them. What possessed them to think anyone cares enough about their marriage to warrant a press release. Their daughter is charged with capital murder of their beloved granddaughter, facing the death penalty and they’re releasing a statement about the state of their dysfunctional marriage.
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Terrytsk, I agree, the point I was trying to make is that EVERYTIME GA/CA go to the media & toot their own horns, they interject! This is what I was trying to say, all the drama & the selling of the memories & viewing themselves as celebrities has allowed them to quit working & bilk Caylee’s murder for all they can.
Terrtsk, I am irked to death that while CA puts out a Media Release about her marriage, she could have just as easily put out a Media Release “Demanding Justice for her murdered grand daughter.”
Hazaka, Valhall could address your question just as she addressed “get real” who ask a very similiar question, almost word for word. You wouldn’t like the answer any more than “get real liked it!”
BEES KNEES!
LOL! I saw a blogger by the name of “Killer Bee!” LOL!
Yes Indeed! Judge P did well. I haven’t seen all of the hearing, I am going to watch this evening.
Terrytsk & BEES, Hornsby has a new topic up, it is a good read!
judypc, imo, it will be “No Sweat for the STATE to provide the Defense the reports, they have done that all along, the problem for Baez is that he is going to have to “produce reports or he will have to make the reports from the information he has rec’d from his expert’s.
That was my interpretation, is that your’s also?
Head Line News has just had KC’s case on for the entire hour, most of it was old information. As par for Head Line News, they have Defense Attorney’s on that have not kept up with the case but several said over & over, what a liar KC was, that GA was the only sincere one, etc. Seems everybody gets, the Anthony’s need to watch these shows where experts weigh in on their behavior.
Hi ART TART and all!
Abso-flippin’-lutely the anthonys have inserted themselves into this case. Put it this way . . . who is Karin Koehler? How about Andrew Kennedy? Helen Latham? They are parents of children who killed their children. Never heard of them before. It takes only minutes to do a Google search on filicide and parents who kill their children and you see how many hundreds, thousands of people are in the anthonys shoes. But you NEVER hear of them. At least I’ve never.
Thanks for that link. BBIAM.
Killer Bee! I love it. Hope I run into them.
george and cindy are NOT Brangelina, that is the truth! HA HA HA!!! What on earth possessed them to think anyone cared what their maritial status is? Please. They just can’t get over themselves.
BEES KNEES! That inept Baez had the nerve to tell Judge P that he was “annoyed that resources were wasted because Ashton wouldn’t put up the phone & call him! LOL! S M A C K Down for the Smirking Baez who is not SMIRKING any more! Val hall called it “Smack Down Deluxe!” The Video Report says Judge P was annoyed! Bout damn time, these games only show the incompetence of Baez, they continue to be embarrassing & unprofessional! Maybe he got it today, he was so pissed he didn’t even “slow down for the Camera’s!” Baez better think twice before acting a fool again, imo, Judge P has had enough! He didn’t “suffer fools lightly today!” Hey! Baez better “get R done!”
(Video Report Shows Baez whining about being “annoyed!” jmo! Baez needs to be drug tested, his thoughts are not based in reality, if everybody gets it but Baez, his problems are bigger than we thought! He got it today!)
http://www.wftv.com/video/26094638/index.html
judypc said it exactly! YEP! Baez will work his butt off for acting like a moron! I can’t quit laughing, Baez is on Speed Dial with those experts RIGHT NOW screaming for those reports! As judypc pointed out, the STATE has acted professionally & “handed over ALL the reports to the Defense!”
BEES KNEES, you are correct, sadly it seems it is just another sad story about a parent murdering a child, but in this case, as many Legal Analyst have pointed out, the Anthony’s & the Defense have made Caylee’s story “Sensational!” The Drama created by all involved & the endless Media Tours for profit I have never seen in other cases. The Anthony’s promoting the latest Defense Theories are shameful, I hope CA was finally embarrassed when NeJames “called her out for it.”
BEES, did you read the story at Bloggersnews.network this week in which COBRA Staubs called Simon Burke to tell him that the Grund’s did their depositions finally, of course, Baez didn’t file it in time for the MEDIA to report it! COBRA set the record straight!
Rev. Grund/Jesse/Family loved Caylee, they kept her in their home! Rev. Grund after reading how Cindy was trying to point fingers at Jesse, realized that they were trying to set Jesse up! Rev. Grund was fearful that when KC showed up for a “shower” at Jesse’s during the 31 days dead, that KC was there to still something of Jesse’s to plant at the remains site!
It was reported that after those depositions, Baez didn’t speak to the media either, he held his head down. 2 Butt chewing’s in a weekfor Baez, during the deposition, Rev. Grund, imo, “called Baez out for his sleazy tactics,” it’s been a bad week for the Defense!
The media reported Baez kept his head down when leaving the depositions & AGAIN, had nothing to say!
In the beginning the Anthony’s started out as grandparents, they had the support and sympathy of the public, it took Cindy about a week to cause people to take a second look, George took a bit longer for some.
While they did not participate in the murder of Caylee thereby injecting themselves into the case, they did place themselves in the spotlight by their own actions, it was them that cast the glaring public eye upon them.
Cindy injected herself by knowingly destroying evidence, lying to law enforcement as well as withholding information & evidence.
They injected themselves through greed and a belief of self-importance.
There is not one of us that can not understand their concern for their daughter, having said that, I believe as well, there is not one among us that will not agree that they have indeed hurt their daughters case by their actions.
Casey has remained silent, had it not been for the Anthony’s need to be in the spotlight I dare say this case would not still be one of the main headlines carried in the media.
Point in case the Cummings case, how often do you see that case in the headlines now?
While they may want to cry poor-poor me, they have no one to blame but themselves, and in the end if their daughter does receive the D.P. they will have to ask what part their actions played in making their daughter a household name.
They could have easily in the beginning said we do not know the truth at this point, please pray for us, our daughter, and our granddaughter.
I promise you there is not a single soul that would have said a bad word about or to them had they done that.
Oh, no I didn’t know about the first butt-chewing. How wonderful. And of course, the pièce de résistance today is that because the little weasel is a complete idiot he now has to give them even more than originally ordered. HEE!!! Ahhhhhhh . . . the beauty of it all . . .
Gone to read Bloggersnews. Art, you bring the best links!
Judy, that is so true. My heart was broken for the anthonys after hearing the 911 calls. It felt like something had kicked me in the chest and I prayed to God they would find the strength to endure what lay ahead. But it didn’t take long before they realized Caylee was dead, their daughter was the murderer and there was a profit to be made if they played their cards right. Now I look forward to the day steadily approaching when I’ll never hear their names again.
None of the defense team’s 13 witnesses has generated a report, but one has filed an affidavit.
Ashton said all prosecution witnesses who have rendered opinions have also written reports, those reports were attached when they were turned over in discovery, so basically he left the courtroom chuckling while Jokin Jose’ left feeling gut punched.
The look on the faces at the team Casey table after Judge Perry gave his decision priceless, they got off fairly easy before, with his B.S. about no reports, by golly there’s gonna be some reports now, and they better be done darn skippy.
Also note that Ashton came into court on his own, while Wrong way Jose’ had to bring backup.
Well, well some very interesting work ahead for the defense gang! Hopefully, the defense gang team of experts DID create standardized reports for his/her personal review and can provide a synopsis for JB et al., otherwise it will probably be a L O N G work weekend for MM (a miserable reward for babysitting the inmate and attending today’s evening session!).
Getting the CVs: piece of “cake”, identifying areas of expertise: same cake, differing “slice”, qualifications of said experts: filling of the “cake” (mushed within the first two, usually), statements of specific subject & opinions & facts: another layer of the “cake” (a bonus layer!), and the icing on the “cake”, complete with decorative sugar ornaments: the SUMMARY & GROUNDS for the expert’s opinion! IF Baez had JUST obeyed the order, none of the “extra frosting” would have been available to JA until and if he was skillful within his depo process!!!!!!!
The SA’s experts’ CVs & reports: available CVs in a snap & reports of those with OPINIONS that will probably be used in court, submitted already! The ancillary experts who will NOT be “expressing courtroom opinions” will have CVs ready ASAP and reports created in mere minutes addressing their ACTIONS, heck if they watched the hearing, the synopsis is probably done!
Nope, this will NOT be a trial by ambush and HHJP will keep CONTROL of HIS courtroom, I do believe!
judypc, JP ONLY started ripping Baez a new one! Just wait, he is going to also have to include WHAT the expert’s have based their opinions on. SO! For acting like a complete ass with the Judge reading his embarassing emails, he is giving up far more than if he had just “acted maturely & professionally.”
imo, Baez seems to have a personality disorder of his own, he isn’t capable of “accepting criticism” for one, his incessant whining when he doesn’t get his way, telling on the State for releasing Discovery to him, whinining about the amount he has to go through. Is Baez really as stupid as he acts? Denial? He had the nerve to act “annoyed, LOL, WFTV showed the clip of Baez complaining & then pointed out that the Judge was annoyed!” LOL Baez, screw with Ashton ONE MORE TIME, you might be relieved of your duties!
judypc, excellent comment, you highlighted the spiraling down of grand parent’s that only had the “sympathy of most of the public for a few days,” the reality of their agenda & propaganda started immediately.
I laughed when I was listening to R Pleasa’s interview again the other night when the Detective ask Rick, “Does your sister & KC share some of the same personality traits?” Rick said, “Like what?” The Detective said, “LYING!” It only took LE/Detectives less than a week to know CA was a liar also!
Do you remember the 10 minute rant to T Miller on the phone, the rant to one of the detectives about everything they were doing wrong, on & on CA barked orders & directions. THEN! Remember the call she made that she said, “SOMEONE HAD TO HAVE HELPED KC!” Yep, CA was right about that, they were all Anthony’s!
judypc, The STATE had to file a MOTION to FORCE Baez to bring in a “Death Penalty Qualified Attorney.” He didn’t want to, he didn’t want to spend the money, but in the State’s Motion, they pointed out that he is NOT QUALIFIED. Lyon’s shortly came in after the Motion because the STATE was correct, but all the money was gone, Baez had squandered $275,000.00 & that didn’t include the contribution that Lyon’s brought in of $ 50,000.00.
judypc, this defense is in miserable shape, Baez appears to be leading the Team, yet not qualified, & I just wonder if the State is “allowing Baez enough rope to hang himself with his incompetence.” KC deserves a competent defense, this is a defense run amuck due to incompetence. Could the Appeal Attorney make claims Baez “was calling the shots instead of a DP Qualified Attorney, hence ineffective counsel?”
I bet Lyon’s & Baden bless the day they dumped this case, I wonder too if when they watch these hearings, they see how ridiculous this defense is. Baez still has to find someone to take Baden’s place, good luck with that! He certainly isn’t competent enough to do her job nor is nor is Mason, Mason seems as useless as Baez.
Now, not only will the State have a more detailed review of the defense experts, so will the JAC who they have to go to for their funding, any supposed experts that overlap, or have a questionable area of expertise such as the one that deals with disease reports on the environment may have a tough time getting a dollar.
We also learned through this evening hearing that some of these experts intend to charge $500.00 per hour to give the state depo’s.
Excuse me, if they are going to take the stand as a quote unquote expert then I’m sorry where do they get off charging the state such fees?
No other person is paid for their time to do their depo’s.
I as well think the Judge should make team Casey pay for wasted time such as this hearing that was uncalled for, all Jose’ had to do was comply with the judges ruling in the first place, I wonder how long before Jose bills the jac for Hi-lighters to pay for his stupid color coded charts?
Maybe we should all just send him a hi-lighter and a pack of chart paper for Christmas, might be cheaper than the tax bill we will all have to share for this bunch of wing-nuts.
—-and the judge asked the same …with specificity — not generalizations from the prosecution who seemingly also hasn’t complied.
ArtTart: Terrytsk, I agree, the point I was trying to make is that EVERYTIME GA/CA go to the media & toot their own horns, they interject.
I get it ArtTart. I have always agreed they have interjected themselves into the case with the media. My point has always been they did not interject themselves into being involved with the murder of their granddaughter. Caylee lived in Cindy and Georges home up until June 15/08. No matter what, I believe that George and Cindy loved Caylee and would never have allowed Casey to hurt her. If they had any inkling that Casey was actually going to harm Caylee they woud have stepped in and saved her life. I think they just didn’t know that Casey is so sick that she would murder her own child. I also think they know it now. Cindy forgives her. George does not.
They want the face time. It’s sad and pathetic really.
Hazaka it was a win win for the prosecution. Baez bit off his nose to spite his face and IMO ended up giving up more then he gained. I think the Honorable Judge Perry is done. No more games. Cheney Mason appeared beaten this evening. I really don’t think he’s having fun like he said he would.
Two years ago TODAY, little Caylee’s remains were found scattered in the swampy area near the home of the Anthony’s. The Anthony’s were flying back from their Media Tour, the night before on Larry King the night before, tonight, 2 years ago, the Anthony’s dined on Crab Puffs, wine, steak with Lee/Mallory/Hoover/D Casey/Baez/ Media Producer at the Ritz Carlton. CSI investigator’s were sifting for Caylee’s remains. The PLAN to spread “false Caylee sightings ended!
Terrytsk, I agree with both of your comments! We’re on the same page. I don’t know why Mason doesn’t just leave the Defense Team, he looks exhausted & beaten as you described. WHY he involved himself in this mess imo, was a poor professional move on his part, he already predicted in a Media Interview before he joined KC’s team that she would “PLEA to LWOP.”
Hazaka, the State has complied 100% with the Judge’s Orders, that’s what is released in the DOC Dumps! We have even read the reports! If you watch the Video Report Link I provided, you can see Baez LIE & Ashton straightens the out the LIES to the Court that Baez told. Not only does Baez have to do all this work, he will have to “file them, we will read them in PDF’s because Judge P can’t trust the “unethical attorney to act professionally!” Baez has lied 2 X’s to Judge P.’s face.
judypc, Did you see Judge P’s face when Ashton said that one expert was over $ 500.00 per hour? You are right, Baez is “jammed up with the JAC.” B Sheaffer had said in an interview after KC was declared indigent that the Expert’s for the Defense cannot charge the STATE more than the Defense is paying them, with the JAC now paying all the Expert’s, I don’t know about the $ 500.00 per hour, that’s outrageous, meanwhile Baez wants to whine about gas money.
Art:
I simply can not see these experts charging the state $500 an hour to give their depos.
The JAC will loose their mind over this.
I think it must have been difficult for Jeff Ashton to keep a straight face until he got out of the courtroom yesterday. Of course it was a WIN for the State. This entire case is a win for the state of Florida. Anyone who still thinks the defene has a hope in hell of winning this thing must be just as STUPID as jose. Heh heh heh . . . I love JA!
Anyone know if the JAC has to pick up this tab for expert depo’s defense witnesses give to the state?
Morning friends, I loved it yesterday when Judge P ask Ashton how many reports he had turned over, & then ask Baez who has turned over NONE & damn well didn’t plan to do so! I love the way Judge P “makes Baez admit to his lies!”
judypc, I don’t know about the payment of the expert’s, I’ve never heard of that, seems Judge P is keenly aware that Baez has no qualms about wasting tax payer’s money, this will not be the last we hear of this. Do you know if these depos will be done via SKYPE?
Valhall at Hinky said:
■ the expert witness’s curriculum vitae or qualifications of their expertise,
■ the field of expertise or medical specialty for each expert witness,
■ a statement of the specific subjects upon which the expert will testify or offer opinions,
■ the substance of the facts to which the expert is expected to testify,
■ a summary of the expert’s opinion,
■ and the facts upon which that opinion has been based. (this is the one that Baez will lose his mind over!)
Baez stated during the heariing, “We’re not here to try to hide anything.” Well, you better not be because the court just ordered ALL CARDS ON THE TABLE…including the one you think you have up your sleeve.
We should be getting a DOC DUMP, imo, before XMAS. I don’t think we ever rec’d the 45 pages of FBI information & we are waiting on “wannabe celebrity that interjected into the media by tampering, Laura Buchanan’s 110 page interview!”
I loved it too, art tart. I am just so happy Judge Perry is putting an end to the defense’s abysmal behaviour! I hope he doesn’t let up on them until this is over. And I can’t wait to read buchanan’s interview. I believe they’re all starting to pay for their lies now, or as my Grandma would have said, “The chicken are all coming home to roost!”
A GOOD READ as always, Sproket & Company do a good job of covering the hearings. jmo,
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/
OLD court order, that Baez thought he could piss on.
Defendant shall also provide to the State a list of the Defendant’s experts and shall include the subject matter as to what the experts will testify to and the area of expertise for each expert.
Perry: How many experts does the State of Florida list, Mr. Baez?
Baez: Approximately 20.
Perry: How many reports have been turned over to you?
Baez: Approximately 12, there are some who have not written reports. About half.
Perry: How many experts have you listed”
Baez: 13
Perry: And how many reports did your experts author?
Baez: None. One has recently submitted an affidavit which I will be attaching to a motion.
The judge then asked Mr. Ashton if he agreed with what Baez had said. Ashton disagreed He said that any expert who will render an opinion on the basis of analysis has written a report. He also said that some people listed as “experts” were not involved in analyzing the evidence and would therefore not write a report.
The judge then did a question-answer sequence with the State and the defense.
Perry: Oh what date was the defendant indicted for murder in the 1st degree, Mr. Ashton?
Ashton: Oh boy, I think it was October 12, 2008, I could be wrong on the date….
Judge: And Mr. Baez, on what date did you file your motion for discovery?
Baez: OH Crap Huh well…. Huh….. ,stutter, mumble, mutter Crap crap crap…
Judge Perry indicated that discovery has been going on from 2008 through 2009 and now 2010.
The NEW order that I hope Baez Chokes on.
.the expert witness’s curriculum vitae or qualifications of their expertise,
¦ the field of expertise or medical specialty for each expert witness,
¦ a statement of the specific subjects upon which the expert will testify or offer opinions,
¦ the substance of the facts to which the expert is expected to testify,
¦ a summary of the expert’s opinion,
¦ and the facts upon which that opinion has been based.
This case has lasted longer than little Caylee was alive, and the killer STILL has not been to trial.
I saw the stupid clown’s little ‘press conference’ that removed all doubt that the jerk truly is a moron. But I was even more struck with the look of his stupid face. It’s like if Pee Wee Herman and Mr. Potatohead had sex and had a baby, this is what it would look like.
Does anyone think that he is dumb enough to not follow the court’s orders to the “t” this time?
Also, I couldn’t help but notice cheney’s slupped and beaten posture sitting next to his client yesterday. I keep looking for some indication of him having fun but so far – nothing. No giggling. No laugh lines around his mouth. No bounce to his step, no joy to his voice ~ I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say his party hasn’t really started yet.
judypc, I have read several accountings of blogger’s that attend every hearing. They all report that the entire time the STATE speaks, CA sits there shaking her head no, I guess it is the “ONLY attention she can draw to herself in a hearing!” I wonder when Judge P is going to put a stop to that. WHEN there is a jury, I don’t believe her conduct will be tolerated, but now CA is not influencing anything, just drawing attention to herself.
CA is smart, does she grasp what moron’s are defending her daughter, for all CA has tried to control & propaganda she has spewed in the National Media, the Defense come’s off as sophmoric, unprofessional, & this hearing on Friday was the 2nd time Baez lied to Judge P’s face, you posted above the lie. Baez, just an idiot to think that Ashton was going to allow him to LIE to the Judge!
Do you there think there will be sanctions after the Trial for Baez? Judge S has already filed a complaint against Baez, will Judge P? Will Baez now ASK his expert’s to write this information, good luck with that Baez with the limited time constraints. NOW, with Baez having to “file these responses,” Judge P will be reading them to see if he complied. I swear you can’t make this stuff up!
BEES KNEES! LOL! Mr. Potatohead! I read someone called him Mr. McGoo! I too have read a lot of comments about Cheny looking deflated, tired, burnt out.
BEES! Isn’t it appalling that Baez, AFTER the JUDGE imposed a ruling on what he expected Baez to do, since the STATE has already done it, to walk out the the Judge’s Courtroom & continue to whine to the media? I hope Judge P watched Baez’s latest performance, what Baez doesn’t understand is that IF HE WERE CORRECT IN ACTING LIKE A FOOL, the Judge wouldn’t have imposed the ruling in which he will “work his fat butt off until the information is due.” All in the world he had to do was be professional, comply with the original ruling, but no, he continues to waste time in a Murder Case with his client facing the Death Penalty.
Art:
If he continues to follow the path he has taken thus far, I do not see him lasting to the end of trial before he has sanctions to deal with.
The problem with after trial that I see is unless an appeal for ineffective council is already in play it may give the lawyers working her case then more ammo.
If there is a chance he is to receive severe sanctions I would rather see them come before trial.
Yes, it would set things back some, BUT it would imo take away a second trial as a result.
If things continue as they are now, we can count on a second trial.
Bees:
ROFLMAO @
Pee Wee Herman and Mr. Potatohead that is so freaking funny.
One thing for sure if he is stupid enough to push judge P’s buttons again, I don’t think we will have to wait long for some of those sanctions lol.
As for Mason, I don’t think this has been the party he expected, I have to wonder how long before he folds up his tent and leaves the circus.
The jokes coming at him from the public has to take a bite out of his huge ego.
This last swan song before he retired has not been something I think he wanted to be remembered for.
I wonder does Jose really think anyone believes if Ashton had called him he would have acted like a human and answered the questions as he was suppose to, or would there have been more snarky answers.
People will accept that kind of attitude for about a minute before they fire back.
Look how many times Ashton tried through email to get a decent response.
Sorry, but imo Jose’ got off to dang easy last night, His Honor should have fined him for contempt of court.
judypc, that is a good point, IF there are “sanctions against Baez,” it would be better for the Taxpayer’s & KC to have them filed now. I just can’t imagine that this behavior will continue, then continue through the Trial, blatant disregard for a Judge, imo, is the “last game Baez will play.” Months ago, another Fla. Legal Analyst, can’t remember his name but he was a former prosecutor, said that Baez should have left the case months before the law changed that you “can’t withdraw as counsel when the money runs out.” I believe that was effective in June or July 2010, but, Baez could be relieved of his duties. IF that should happen, imo, Mason “isn’t up to trying the case solely,” Finnell will probably do a good job for KC but hell, Finnell is just going to throw GA/CA under the bus & disclose every thing they have ever done, “especially the mistreatment of KC as is KC’s perception.”
The only way out for Baez would be to BEG KC to ask for a PLEA, but she may not agree to that, that is the only way I see to save face for this defense team, & to prevent from showing up with no defense. I have to wonder, with only Baez as the source of news for KC, if she’s really “up to speed” on how poorly her defense is doing.
For eight years after Jose’ graduated from law school, the board that screens prospective attorneys in Florida would not let him practice law.
The Florida Supreme Court agreed with the decision, issuing an order in 2000
His overall behavior, they wrote, showed “a total lack of respect for the rights of others and a total lack of respect for the legal system, which is absolutely inconsistent with the character and fitness qualities required of those seeking to be afforded the highest position of trust and confidence recognized by our system of law.”
seems he still has not learned “RESPECT”
LOL at the Peewee Herman and Mr. Potato Head comment. I’m thinking the hairline and lack of a visible neck line. When I watched the post hearing presser the other day, I was thinking he looked like a close relative of Humpty Dumpty. Have you ever seen the kids books where Humpty’s dressed in a nifty, blue colored 3 piece suit? The resemblance is uncanny.
I guess those of us who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. I readily admit I wouldn’t win a beauty contest either. I’m guessing the pressure is getting to him and he’s consequentially overindulging and no longer has the time to commit to working out. I think his bio said he was a martial arts expert during college and that means he was at an advanced fitness level. IMO he looks a lot different then he did in 2008.
Obvi,the more attractive someone is the more they are hated.Look at Melissa Huckaby who killed little Sandra Cantu,not only killed her but raped her!!! Horrible, horrible crime against a child yet she didn’t get 1/10 of the publicity Casey Anthony has garnered.
I call Prejudice Against the Attractive as they instinctly go against the beautiful no matter innocent or guilty tells me focus is not on the crime but on the physical attributes of the person being maligned.Perhaps shallow minds think alike.
It’s Just My Imagination.. said, on December 12, 2010 at 4:16 am
he did not rip Baez a new one!!! Delusional or just a good imagination!
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JUST THE FACTS! He most certainly ripped Baez a new one, for the 2nd time in Court, Judge P showed Baez to be A LIAR! It only confirms the reasons Baez was DENIED a License to practice law for 8 years. You would thank ANYONE that was DENIED A LICENSE TO PRACTICE LAW for 8 Years would develop a moral compass, pretend to be professional, but NOT Baez. It’s who he is!
He ask Baez questions to watch Baez Lie, Baez did just that! Then, he imposed his ruling that he will keep that moron working until the date the information is due, then, it will be FILED because Judge P can’t trust that Baez will do as he ruled. Most attorney’s would prefer NOT to be publicily humilated, or being made a complete fool of by a Judge, but the moronic Baez doesn’t get it, it is his character! LOL!
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B7DjeAMt_BpIMTY1YTU1NmUtZjQzOS00NmY0LWJmNDktN2E0M2Q3YmU4YWY4&hl=en
So, Jesse and Richard Grund WERE deposed on 12/8!
Hi all. Been reading all over. Saw the hearing. I agree, Jose would not have done what he was supposed to do “with just a phone call”. He thumbed his nose at what the Judge ordered and now he just has to do what he should have done in the first place. And then some! HE wasted the court’s time. Not the State.
OK, yo-hola, oops I mean Hazaka, oops, Ima Writer, Why Hate Beautiful People and whatever other name you try to hide behind. Your writing style gives you away every time! Why not just come as you are!
I do think your opinion on Casey’s “beauty” is way off. She is the murderer of an almost 3 year old. Melissa Huckaby confessed. What draws most to the case is is the blatant lying and “stories” that the inmate and her family have done to portray Casey Anthony as “innocent”. I don;t know about you, but MY hinky meter went up the day I heard on the news that a mother did not report her daughter missing for 31 days, that, in fact, HER mother, the “missing” 3 year olds grandmother reported her missing, that there was the the smell of decomposition in the 22 year olds car, that she lied to law enforcement about every single thing surrounding her “missing” daughter,etc., etc.. So, no, yo-hola/Hazaka/Ima Writer/Why Hate Beautiful People/Beyond Me, it has nothing to do with what you describe as her “beauty”. Do you seriously think she is getting all this negative sh*t because she is good-looking? LOL! That is just absurd.
There is site you frequent who also have a bunch of billy goats pecking at their keyboards about, ahem, their reasonable doubt as to Casey’s innocence who go on and on about drug cartels and suspicions on boyfriends, friends and LE not doing their job and connections to NY. When I read their on occasion because it amuses me, I just read, shake my head and laugh and move along.
If any of your personalities/names do not like what you read at ANY blog, don’t read it, don’t become a troll. Don;t bother hiding behind a gaggle if names. Very simple.
Linda, Yes the Grunds were brought into Jokin Jose’s to be questioned, but from what I have heard Daddy Grund gave Jose a pounding.
News reports were that Jose’ left the depo with his hat in his hand his head down and his butt whipped.
Poppa Grund was in no mood to suffer a fool and was not afraid to throw down with Jose’
LindaNewYork, yes, the Grund’s had their depos & Baez filed the paper work just before 5:00 so the Media didn’t get to report it ahead of time. COBRA Stauubs called Simon Burke at bloggersnews.network that morning & told him about the deposition. I’m surprised that the Defense didn’t cancel, after all, it would have “only been the 3rd time to cancel on them at last minute. Rev Grund will be a good witness for the STATE. The problem for the Defense, is that witnesses like the Grund’s, know what KC is about, know the family, & they loved Caylee.
Rev. Grund has been “suspect” of the Anthony’s since they have wanted to point fingers at Jesse, & has been Vocal about it, imo, he probably told Baez just that, the MEDIA reported Baez “had nothing to say when leaving the depositions holding his head down.” I bet he got an ear full.
judypc, lol, we were thinking the same thing. I really like the Grund’s, I think they have always shown how much they loved little Caylee. You probably knew this, but Rev. Grund was supposed to meed & visit with GA after the first prayer Vigil, Rev. Grund waited until 11:00 to see & counsel GA, but when GA showed up, he didn’t want to talk! WHY? Because CA was there & their agenda was NOT to find Caylee then, it was to promote Media Appearances for profit & create false Caylee sightings.
LindaNewYork, it conitinues to amaze me the “games played on this blog,” even when there is a “troll friendly blog that tolerates the games.” The funny thing is, we know who they are, LOL.
Yes, there was a BIG difference in Melissa Huckaby, she was “remorseful, crying almost non stop, she admitted what she did as horrific as it was,” KC continues to act “disrespectful in Court, laughing, giggling, while facing the Death Penalty for the murder of Caylee, it would seem that she would TRY TO PRETEND to be SAD, even when she doesn’t feel it!
Wonder how much “giggling KC is going to do when Finnell tells KC just how hard it is going to be to “convince 12 jurors that her life is worth saving.” Wonder who the defense will get to “teach KC how to act in Court, to explain to her the lack of emotion & giggling, the Jury will watch her every move, imo, she will not come off as sympathetic because she isn’t.
Hazaka said, on December 12, 2010 at 11:01 am
LindaNewYork said, on December 12, 2010 at 10:13 am —– don’t embarass yourself — lumping me with other bloggers on other blogs is not accurate — and actually, downright distasteful. I only participate on this and one other blog which frankly has a nice group of THINKING people. I never referred to Casey or anyone as beautiful ….
and ART TART — please, your nasty comments and false names for folks are immature. Don’t know who you consider “trolls” … but…. leave me out of it!
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“Leave me out of it”!! How do we do that Hazaka when all you do is challenge and distract comments made by the good folks here? You have consistently displayed more disrespect than anyone who has posted here in the past year. Do I need to remind you with the url to the screenshot where you were outed as Yo Hola then immediately changed back to Hazaka? Why even comment here when you think that JB Mission has more intelligent thinking people? (No disrespect to you JB) And let me just say that when you do what you do here, you are trolling. If I were you I wouldn’t go there with the false names accusation you made to art tart. As far as being “nasty” Hazaka, you get what you give.
I am hazaka…… strong woman …. and Yo … hello ….. I speak 3 languages ….. and choose to write under the strong woman and to say hello…. so what’s up with that?
Whoops!, How come I do not see the orginal comment from Hazaka from December 12, 2010 at 11:01 am that you refer to? Am I missing something??
It is clear that the only people saying casey might be innocent are either paid trolls for the defense or bored sh*t-disturbers. Anyone with enough intelligence to type a comment on a blog is intelligent enough to know she’s guilty. They are clearly trying to create doubt by making up the fairytales about drug cartels and suspicious boyfriends. Whatever. Nobody believes them anyway ~ maybe they make a few extra bucks for their Christmas shopping by trolling their little lies. Likely hard up for cash.
Linda,
No, you aren’t missing anything. Craig is obviously on the job this morning. I was shocked that it got deleted as quick as it did. I capt’d it but didn’t comment till a bit later.
Hazaka —– Whoops! How come I do not see the orginal comment from Hazaka from December 12, 2010 at 11:01 am that you refer to? Am I missing something
It’s Just My Imagination.. said, on December 12, 2010 at 4:16 am
he did not rip Baez a new one!!! Delusional or just a good imagination!
NO HE DID NOT!!.. I will agree to disagree or we can go back and forth all day.
Judge Perry did not rip Baez a new one. Your opinion and mine differ. Can you live with that?
You’re an adult try to act like one. An intelligent person wouldn’t have been compelled to respond NO HE DID NOT!! Only child. Is that you little miss art tarty pants.
GBAFB!
Sorry I missed it Whoops. I bet it was a good one too.
OK, Whoops! that makes sense. It has obviously been deleted. Thought I was nuts!
Imagination. I believe people feel he was ripped a new one due to the fact that the Judge apparantley agreed with the State that he did not provide what he was supposed to provide and now it seems he has to provide more than what was asked originally.
Now calling someone art tarty pants is not acting like an adult either. There are very strong opinins in this whole debacle of a murder case.
I deleted it —by mistake!
Oh, I didn’t know we could delete our own comments…How do you do that?
OK, so I will respond….I am not embarrassed, Hazaka. I simply said you frequent a blog that has biily goats pecking, pecking pecking away at their keyboards as well. Whether it is pro-Casey or pro-defense or con-Casey blog everyone is pecking away. And I do believe you have come in here and commented under a couple of other names in the middle of the night as Im a Writer, Why Hate Beautiful People and Just my Imagination.
The comments in the middle of the night from Im a Writer and Just my Imagination are now gone…deleted. So……since you have admitted to accidentally deleting a comment you made under Hazaka, I believe you most certainly do come in under other names. I guess you deleted those by “accident” as well. Now, since Why Hate Beatuiful People’s comment is still here, I guess I was mistaken that you were that commenter.
The reason some call you a troll is because all you do is come into this blog with a one or two liner to ONLY diss what someone has said. You obviously do not agree with what is discussed here or anyone’s opinion or statements of fact. The other blog you frequent, I do not agree with, BUT I do not go there and write a one or two liner dissing the, how did you put it, THINKING people there. It’s just rude! Now, Not everyone agrees with each other and I think you can learn how to disagree making an intelligent comment as to why you disagree. Terrtsk disagreed with a commenter and did it in an adult fashion. You say you are a writer. However I see nothing in your comments/writing to indicate that in the least.
In the future, Hazaka, please don’t come under another name. You should be embarrassed to believe we don’t know who you are. Just like when you changed your name from Yo Hola to Hazaka. Remember, your writing style gives you away all the time.
LNY — no me importe — you you what — if we met maybe on route 59 or somewhere …. we would like each other …………… and hey ….could be we’re related xooxoxoo
LindaNewYork said, on December 12, 2010 at 4:17 pm
“Oh, I didn’t know we could delete our own comments…How do you do that?”
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Linda,
If you delete your WordPress cookie after you make a post and then refresh your screen, that post will disappear. It usually happens accidentally when one is changing their screen names while trolling the blog. It can be done purposely or by accident. In the comment we are talking about, I think it was by accident when Hazaka changed her screen name to “It’s Just My Imagination”. After the next post or refresh, there is no way to delete it.
Whoops!————c no you are soooooooooooo wrong … I am Yo Hola (hello) and Hazaka…strong woman….. no one else ..speculate wht you wish —— but —NOT!!!
Thanks for the deletin info, Whoops. But those other two comments from the middle of the night are mysteriously gone too. Oh well.
Hazaka, I do not dislike you. So, I know you are from NY. Are you also from the county, since you mentioned Route 59? It’s a little cold to be meeting in the street on Route 59! LOL!
Whoops & LindaNewYork, LOL! And they think they are so smart! DUH! HA! HA! HA!
“It’s Just MY Im.”
imo, Judge P DID “rip Baez a new one.” We can agree to disagree but I haven’t read any blog that I visit where anyone thinks Baez isn’t a complete idiot! Judge P need not even raise his voice, M NeJames warned when the Defense thought things might be easier for them when they got rid of Judge S, that Judge P “didn’t tolerate unprofessional conduct, games, unpreparedness.” NeJames also warned, “Judge P didn’t suffer fools lightly!” Judge P has just brought one fool to his knees, imo, he has “ripped the inexperienced attorney denied a license to practice law for 8 years butt in front of Baez’s peers, the media, those following the case without ever raising his voice. This is what makes Judge P so popular, you get “bitch slapped” with the endless paperwork.”
If you don’t understand what has been imposed on Baez to do in a short lenth of time, then you don’t get it. It doesn’t matter. For those of us that “do understand what Baez is going to have to do to satisfy what he has been compelled to do & then FILE IT for us to read, we know Baez got ripped, it was long overdue. Judge P is “forcing Baez to have to reveal all those secrets he likes to keep,” too bad Baez is too inept to undstand you don’t lie to a Judge’s face. What an idiot!
art tart, exactly! Maybe Perry didn’t “rip” him a new one in the traditional sense but he quietly and deftly SLICED him a new one with his judicial scapel. And yes every article I’ve read sinced interpretted it the same way we do. Someone is trying to get your goat. I stopped reading those months ago but I can tell by the reactions from other bloggers that the one lines are still skipping/repeated like a broken record. I know it’s tempting to try and explain logic but that’s just what they want so they can keep up their ridiculous arguments with you. Just please don’t let them get under your skin art tart because you and your comments are always so interesting, insightful and intelligent. I always look forward to reading yours as well as 99% of the rest of the bloggers here.
God, yes!! baez is completely unprepared. I honestly can’t imagine what he thought was going to happen by wasting two whole years and all that money? I know the guy is as dumb as a box of hair but did he think he could just bully and insult his way to an aquittal? And when the witch (sorry to all witches) beside him sees how completely incompetant he is why is she tolerating him? Even after two years of this behaviour I still get caught by surprise at how stupid they really are. Amazing!
Linda, I never go that blog that has biily goats but I’m aware of their agenda. I sometimes wonder if they get paid by the word or maybe just one set amount per month. God, there’s GOT TO BE more honest ways to make a buck than to taint innocent people in the hopes that a skanky, lying baby-killer can be released into society to kill again. Personally I’d rather work at a McDonald’s. I also wonder if these people have little children. What if she walks due to their “blogging handiwork” and ends up killing one of their babies. Karma has a funny way of doing crap like that you know? Weird stuff like that is why I am happy to be on the right side of the law.
I don’t think Casey would kill again. I believe she did kill her baby girl because she thought she could do it and not pay the price. She really believed the Zanny the Nannie story would work. Even when she was siting in jail “arrested on an effing whim” don’t you know, she thought she’d get out of it.
I think she is a sociopath with no feelings for anyone and if she had more babies she wouldn’t blink an eye before killing them if she could get away with it and it benefited her in some way. But only if it didn’t threaten her in any way. If Casey had known that she would be locked up in jail for killing Caylee as of October of 2008, and maybe for the rest of her life, she wouldn’t have done it. Her instinct for survival will stop her from killing again if, God forbid, she is ever set free.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think Casey would kill for the “pleasure” of killing like a serial killer, but she will kill without conscience to meet her own needs and wants. Poor Caylee.
Art:
As yet all we have seen of the work product is a ton of failed motions, and making a butt load of money vanish into thin air.
Think about the lawyers that have been apart of this team and they just finished their depo’s, they have not turned over their discovery, they have not completed their forensics, they have not filed their writs, they have not completed their staffing, over 2 years have past and they are still in the first stages of the case.
They have have the states discovery since Oct 08 and according to Baez he has not even reviewed the expert witness reports given to him over 2 years ago, he has had some of the top lawyers in the U.S. at his finger tips and they are still flying blind.
To say this boggles the mind is an understatement, I would be willing to bet had that courtroom been filled with bloggers and Judge Perry ask us those same questions we could have answered him without so much as a glance at notes.
It is truly sad to think the public is better informed than her lawyer, hell most of us could give her a better defense than she has received thus far, and done it with a lot more respect shown to the tax payers and the court.
I was doing a bit of research last night, trying to get a grasp of the mother/daughter relationship of Cindy & Casey.
I was going over all of Cindy’s transcripts and media hi-lights.
Then I came across something that has somewhat tweaked my thoughts.
There is a disorder known as Folie à deux the meaning is “madness of two.” where two people influence each others delusions so they become identical.
I thought of Cindy’s odd behavior her statements of “Caylee is still alive” and that when Casey is released “the two of them will go find her together”
I have to wonder if these two are feeding off of each others delusions?
And then of course the next question becomes which of the two is the leader in this train wreck of delusional thinking?
Okay, unleash the hounds, I’m sure I will be subjected to the trolls bashing for this one lol.
But, honestly if a few of you hard thinkers would research this odd little mind freak let me know what you think it might be interesting.
Hi Bees, art and Judy.
Judy I did read up on the “madness of two” a while back and it is verr interesting. But in my unprofessional opinion, Cindy is NOT mad, or delusional or crazy. I think she is just a liar who has been trying very hard to get her daughter off of murder charges, to never admit to the public that her daughter is solely responsible for killing Caylee. Just like a lot of other murderers parents, she will never admit that her daughter is a murderer. She is not a stupid woman and they all know, despite their claims (in their 2009 state depos) that they have their “doubts” that those bones were not Caylee’s. Their suspicions about everyone else (Jesse, Amy, etc.) except Casey are ludicrous. If they ever admit that she did it, it would be the absolute end of Casey. If they go on the stand saying the same old same old, I believe, THEY believe they can raise reasonable doubt. To admit that the evidence points to no one but her, they would be putting the needle in her arm themselves.
We haven’t heard a peep out of Casey’s mouth since her LE interview and the day she was arrested. Like all murderer’s she is lying about BEING the murderer. Cindy is doing what she has always done with Casey, making excuses and covering up for her deeds.
If Casey wrote back to her mother and said, yes, indeedy, when I am released we will find Caylee together and walk into the sunlight, then I would say, OK, maybe madness of two. But we don’t know what Casey’s reaction is to those claims by Cindy. But all we are seeing is Casey denying/lying about murdering Caylee and Cindy, George and Lee lying to the public that they do not believe Casey murdered her daughter. They are not stupid. They know.
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Bees regarding that other blog: I am not sure they think Casey is innocent. They are acting more like a defense attorney knocking the LE investigation and looking for reasonable doubt. No matter how unreasonable it is.
Well, it is another yucky day in NY…
Linda:
We can not know what Casey may have written because Jose has been slipping her letters out, as well as emails.
My thoughts are that Cindy may be the one brain between the two, of course we know or assume a lot of what Cindy does is because she knows it will reach the public and they will be swayed.
We also have to realize that Cindy is dealing with the fact that she is the one that has placed her daughter in jail and facing the needle, it was her 911 call that started the ball rolling, she would do or say anything to remove that one moment and free her mind of the thought that she may have killed her daughter.
Judy,
I think that Cindy is full of huge remorse for making that 911 call and has been doing everything she can to try and make amends to Casey. I could hang with the madness of two but I will say that the leader is unquestionably Casey not Cindy. Casey is living in a dreamworld where she believes she will walk, join her jailhouse partner on the big bus and save the children of the world. Casey has abandoned her family no matter how much they try to get in her head. Georges feeble attempt at trying to get Casey back in his good graces fell on demonic ears. She will never acknowledge either Cindy or George. She threw them under the bus long ago. I will go so far as to say that Casey will be a huge part in getting her parents indited for obstruction as soon as she hears the words from the jury, “Guilty of First Degree Murder”. Remember George told her she was the “boss”. Weak kneed bastard that he is. Don’t get me started on Cindy.
Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Will Expert Witness Order Reveal Jose Baez Defense Strategy?
Posted by Blink
Sunday 12 December 2010 11:32 am
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/12/12/cayleecasey-anthony-case-will-expert-witness-order-reveal-jose-baez-defense-strategy/
“I quite frankly don’t know why we are here..– Jose Baez”
“I quite frankly don’t know why we are here..– Jose Baez” Ha ha ha. FRG, I love that quote. Doesn’t it just say it all? Ha ha ha ha ha.
Judy, I have heard of Folie à deux. I believe there was a theory that was the case with Karla Holmolka and Paul Bernardo, Canadian convicted killers, torturers & sexual deviants. It’s a very interesting possibility, but like Linda, I’m more inclined to think Cindy is just a liar. No more complicated than that.
Linda, I wonder if you are getting the same storm that hit Ontario yesterday? I’m currently “snowed in” with it (I’m in the country).
Whoops:
In a letter to Casey, Cindy has them going off in the spring time when shes found innocent, because Baez is gonna blow the states case out of the water, together to find Caylee and bring her home.
Maybe they are going to travel in that R.V. Casey cooking fish cakes and Cindy calling the media with all their good work and Caylee sightings.
YIKES talk about the “madness of two.”
Something else that has pricked my nag button since going over those transcripts is
When Casey was first arrested and Cindy & George went to visit Cindy said
“we forgive you for anything you’ve said” Casey at first ignored her, Cindy repeated it like three times before Casey acknowledged her and snarked back ” Don’t worry, I haven’t told them anything, & I won’t say anything”
Now, Nosy Parker that I am, I have to wonder what secret pressed on Cindy’s mind that made that the first thing she said to her daughter and would not let it slide when Casey tried to ignore it?
Judy,
First they have to stop by the FCI in Tallahassee and spring pen pal Robyn Adams. That is a low security facility so it shouldn’t be difficult to get her out. Wasn’t she and Casey the two that were talking about getting the big RV and have a traveling ministry?
Reminds me of the song Dream Weaver:
I’ve just closed my eyes again
Climbed aboard the dream weaver train
Driver take away my worries of today
And leave tomorrow behind
Ooh dream weaver
I believe you can get me through the night
Ooh dream weaver
I believe we can reach the morning light
Fly me high through the starry skies
Maybe to an astral plane
Cross the highways of fantasy
Help me to forget today’s pain
Though the dawn may be coming soon
There still may be some time
Fly me away to the bright side of the moon
And meet me on the other side
Morning Terrytsk, Whoops, judy, judy, judy pc, LindaNewYork, BEES KNEES,
BEES KNEES, when judypc contributed about the “madness of two,” I immediately thought of Karla Holmolka and Paul Bernardo, Canadian convicted killers. I was appalled that Karla is now out, she is married & has a child under a different name serving only 12 yrs. (is that right?) They did a Lifetime Movie on the couple & there has been several shows focusing on the two with the topic “madness of two.”
judypc, the ID channel has a lot of shows on the subject, “had the two never crossed path’s, a murder would have never been committed.” Is that the theory you are referring to? The shows on ID are interesting as there is always a dominant partner but always a more submissive partner to “act out the instructions of the dominiant.”
I remember when “KC acted an azz when she snapped “she didn’t tell them anything,” imo, it might have referred to the “sexual abuse claims that KC has made against GA.” Just pure speculation on my part, but, as hateful & spiteful as BOTH CA & KC can act, I can’t believe KC didn’t scream GA was a “sexual abuser at CA during their notorious spats.” KC has shown she will impose the most pain on someone to win an argument!
Terrytsk, I too don’t think that KC would murder another child, but I could see KC “with holding information that ultimately led to the hurt mental or physicial of another person by someone else. I would predict KC will always lie, it has always worked until LE/FBI/STATE are holding her accountabable, but if she were free, it would continue imo. I don’t see KC holding any type of job as she has no job skills, not even a GED, she would forever have to steal or live off men to survive. Hopefully, we won’t have to worry about KC every being free. jmo. We are starting to see more horrid murder’s/abuse/disappearances with step parent’s, example, Kyron Horman & Zahara.
Morning Terrytsk, Whoops, LindaNewYork, FRG, judy, judy, judypc, I’m freezing & I live in the south!
Whoops, ah yes! The memories, LOL, I love Dream Weaver, yep, KC’s & her ministry in the RV! First, she should “save herself if she know anything about forgiveness!” That would encompass admitng the hurt she has caused other’s, the forgiveness for the murder of her daughter & sadly they keep looking for someone to blame it on. That KC & CA are certainly both dreamer’s though, especially if they think KC will ever walk out of prison, especially in CA’s lifetime.
Terrytsk, I agree, I don’t think KC would ever murder another child but I hope she never gets an opportunity. I hope she remains locked up the rest of her life. I do think KC will always continue to lie & scheme, she may even try to “scam other’s or penpals to starts answering after the Verdict as the Media probably won’t cover the case much then, hopefully, “it seems to be her moral compass to lie/scam/steal.
BEES KNEES, yes, the trolls are shallow, predictable, her for Hazaka’s entertainment. We know who they are, it seems when we ignore them, they eventually tire & go away, I should not have even bothered to address imagination, seem LindaNewYork has figured out the game!
Uh-huh. It’s just easier to not even read the comments in the first place. For me at least.
Yeah, I think homolka did about 12 years after the Prosecution “made a deal with the devil.” And not very hard time at that. I don’t know if you heard about it down there but she spent part of her time at a swanky low-security women’s prison in Quebec where she carried on a sexual relationship with another prisoner, partied, wore dresses, make-up, hair etc. Photos were leaked with them all dressed up enjoying a Birthday Party. In prison. She was quickly shipped out of there to a higher security prison for the rest of her sentence. She also educated herself at the taxpayer’s expense, think she might have learned a second language. Our outrage hadn’t quite died down by the time she was released so she headed for the hills. Last I heard she was headed for the Caribbean with new hubby and son.
judypc said, on December 13, 2010 at 1:28 am
It is truly sad to think the public is better informed than her lawyer, hell most of us could give her a better defense than she has received thus far, and done it with a lot more respect shown to the tax payers and the court.
Totally agree with that assessment, Judypc. If this was not a capital case (with the death penalty looming) I would say the bad lawyering was almost humorous. I would love to be a fly on the wall and listen to what the DT is telling Casey Anthony. Does she REALLY think she is going to walk? Does Cindy Anthony think Casey is coming home so they can begin the search for Caylee? Frightening.
Out of all the mistakes skanky made, which one do you think the defense wishes they could undo? So many options ~ the 31 days? the non-existent nanny? driving around in the death mobile? tossing Caylee in the swamp? etc. etc. . . . Maybe they could publish a book, “How To Ensure You Will Be Convicted for Murder” But, I think out of all of them the duct tape might be the hardest to explain away.
Me too. I’d love to be a fly on the wall for all of their conversations
HUH, now Caylee is alive and living in LA, and is doing beauty contest.
Per some nut case, source wesh news.
Court tomorrow the JAC V Jose’, not sure what time or if anyone will be running it.
Ooooo ~ tough week for the defense! Don’t you think they will be watched much, much more closely by Judge Perry now that they have been caught lying to him twice? Honestly! I just love it. Does anyone think he will comply with EXACTLY what he was ordered to do by JP?
How did the duct tape get on Caylee’s mouth and nose? How many options can we find to that?
1. Added to prevent decomp. ‘leaking.” Well, we know it had to be added before decomposition began or it would not have adhered. And we know that the decomposition begins almost immediately. We also know that it would also be coming from ALL orifices, including ears and eyes. No tape there. How come?
2. Added to make it appear like a kidnapping, what? This one doesn’t make sense to me at all. The loving, kind and most generous Nanny used duct tape on Caylee, why?
3. To prevent Caylee from ever drawing another breath. BINGO! That is THE ONLY one that makes any sense to me. Are there any other options?
Art Tart, let’s remember when Casey is set free she’ll be touring the country spreading the gospel in an RV with her BFF Muffin and the Irish baby that she’ll adopt. I mean Irish babies have the cutest Irish accents, don’t you think? Especially when they’re raised in the USA by Americans. LMAO.
BEES KNEES, I have always thought that the method of murder was the “Duct Tape.” imo, KC was so angry at CA, Caylee was crying for CA because she was scared, KC shut Caylee up for the last time. The reason I think this is what might have happened is because “she couild have allowed Caylee to drown in the pool, claimed she got out & somebody left the ladder up, it was an “accident.” imo, KC was in such a rage, she lost control & ended Caylee’s life, then she had to “back track & come up with a story.” I am certainly open to other methods of murder that KC used to murder Caylee by, but I has a lot of confidence in the STATE, I think the State is leaning towards this theory for a reason. THe tape would have kept the “fluids in too I assume, joypath would know.
Ms. Bingo, I agree wityh you & judypc also. “Somethings gotta give,” There is no doubt that KC’s case would have been dificult for a “sesasoned attorney,” imo, had KC had one, this case would have been over. She would have been told over & over, “you aren’t walking away from the murder of your child.” Baez, imo, kept telling KC they would “create reasonable doubt” but when Caylee’s remains were found, there has been NO defense since! Surely the Anthony’s know exactly how jammed up KC is with her incompetent defense, the Anthony’s tried to find another attorney for KC but they don’t have any money, only promises of “monies to come from future deals.” What a cluster.
judypc, thanks for the heads up! TICK TOCK! Baez also has 2 reports due to the STATE & they have to be filed.
Terrytsk, Whoops reminded me of Dream Weaver this morning, yep, that’s KC. For all the fanatacies in the SUV & the ministry, the sad fact is that KC will most probably spend the rest of her life alone, totally isolated from other prisioner’s “to keep her safe.” There might be a appeal attorney drop by for a visit or two, but appeals, if granted, are very slow. Of course if KC gets the DP, she will get automatic appeals but imo, the public interest will be “done with KC & the Anthony’s after the Verdict comes down.”
Art Tart, I guess I’ve been focussing on what I see as the humor in this sad case and I shoudn’t do that. It’s not a funny case. Point taken.
Terrytsk, oh no, you misunderstood. I think your humor was appropriate & I agree. This is a terrbily sad case, but we have to laugh at times. Cindy’s latest bull chit game of “thinking Caylee is alive is the most ridiculous thing she’s come up with.” KC sending letters about traveling in an RV were a “hoot!” Cindy thinking KC is going to be workig on the Caylee Foundation is just as crazy, funny too, since the Anthony’s haven’t done a single thing on the Foundation in over a year. You just have to laugh, there is no telling what they will come up with tomorrow.
Valhall at Hinky Meter has been writing about the Anthony’s in Chapter’s. So many of the chapters INCLUDED their lies, this chapter is about “Cindy LIES to John Allen!”
It is a great read, as all the chapters have been, but she reminded me of alot I haven’t thought about for two years. When Cindy didn’t get her way “trying to control John Allen, she basically THREATENED TO GO TO THE MEDIA! LOL! INTERJECTING HER LYING SELF! Remember when nut job CA was “wanting Morale’s apt investigagted & was claiming that Amy & Ricardo could be Zanny! Pointing fingers at EVERYONE but KC! John Allen didn’t put up with Cindy’s crap as she had already “wasted their time earlier,” LE/Yuri/Allen were desperartly trying to find Caylee, Cindy was a pain & put up obstacles at every avenue, I wish CA’s agenda had been to find Caylee & have the Murderer Prosecuted, but we all know what the agenda of Cindy has been. Hazaka, if you don’t know, READ IT!!!! Valhall has it nicely seperted into topics from George’s lies etc., GA & his gas cans!
Just MORE STUPID bull chit, in which, IMO Cindy INTERJECTED HER LIES INTO THIS CASE! John Allen shut her & eve now say when Baez/Masoni make up something, they report it but say they have “reservations” since every single thing the Defense has floated has flopped. There was absolutely NO EVIDENCE THAT ANYONE did anything to Caylee but KC, CA might “run all over her family, but she wasn’t going to run an investigation into her lying daugher!”
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/12/13/the-anthony-encylcliepedia-cindy-lies-to-john-allen/
Isn’t it ironic that Cindy Anthony used the MEDIA as her tool to threaten LE/FBI, but because of the MEDIA & DOC DUMPS & INTERVIEWS, we know more about this dysfunctional family than we needed to know. Then there is Caylee, INSPITE of KC/LEE/GA/CA, the STATE will deliver the Verdict & the JUSTICE she deserves!
Hi guys…no time to read but I just wanted to say that at this time of year, more so than ever, I think the scamfam should hang their collective heads in shame. So many children will wake up this morning cold and hungry. Too many won’t have enough to eat today. Too many will not have much hope in this season of joy. With all the pain and struggle we face in this horrific economy, we continue to waste MILLIONS on a nasty little lying skank. I know her family wants to save her life, but really? What then? How would they ever see her on Christmas Day and not remember the life she so callously snuffed out? How do they sleep at night knowing that the $$$$$$$ they are wasting in this continual round of lies, cover ups and boonswaggling could be better spent on a blanket, a coat or a meal for many of the thousands of children who will wake up today cold and hungry. casey was right….they are a HUGE WASTE!
May all of you enjoy Christmas with your families and your loved ones! Hope to read you before then but wanted to wish you a joyous holiday season!
Terry we all need a break from the horror of the case at times, honestly the tricks and games played by the family and the Defense are places where humor can be found.
Some of it simply boggles the mind of any thinking person.
I would rather see a post such as yours any day rather than the post of those that come to fight, and snark at the posters.
Honestly, if someone can not find a chuckle at Cindy, Jose’ & Mason then they can not find one anywhere.
Frankie:
Just yesterday my Mum & I were talking about just what you posted, all the Wee ones and families that are suffering in the cold, all the babies that are hungry, no place to call home, no warm bed to curl up in.
All the dollars that have been whizzed away by and on this worthless family & this defense can be thought as nothing but a dirty shame.
I would much rather know the millions of tax dollars went to supply a warm home and food for those in need.
Just think of how many could have been helped?
frankie, it is always intertesting to read your comments. I agree with your thoughts, after thousands upon thousands of taxpayer dollars are wasted “trying to find someone to blame Caylee’s murder on, KC is still just as guilty as she was when she & Baez thought they would “create reasonable doubt, pointing the finger at anyone to prevent KC from taking responsibility.”
The trial won’t be pretty for KC, I still think she might BEG for a plea, as hard headed as she is, it’s hard to believe but I don’t see Finnell “kissing KC’s butt & sugar coating what she thinks the outcome of the case might be for KC.” Finnell, imo, is “all business!”
judypc, Terrytsk was right to bring humor to the conversation, sometimes I have to read the information twice because it’s so ridiculous I can’t believe it’s printed. Baez made me LMAO during the hearing the other day, ESPECIALLY when he claimed it wasted “tax payer dollars!” LOL! I thought I was hearing things. S C U M B A G!
judypc, from what I have gathered about the 4:00 pm hearing today, the Defense will continue to WHINE for more investigative time. It would seem Judge P would DEMAND to know exactly what Baez has done with the 360 hours that has already been granted, over $ 15,000.00, we know Baez went on a “fishing expedition even though he was warned not to by Judge P.” Will Judge P demand to know where Baez spent the last 60 hours? I am very curious as to “exactly how much Baez EVER paid an investigator out of KC’s money.” Lyon’s brought Mortimer with her & he was probably paid out of the “defense fund at the pro bono organization Lyon’s works with at DePaul.”
HOW STUPID can Baez be?? He is asking for money for travel for his EXPERT’S because he was too STUPID to fill out the correct paperwork on making a PRE-ADVANCE Permissioin for the expenses! PRICELESS!
HOW STUPIC can Baez be?? THEN! He hired a “service for a deposition & the company that did the work charged $ 1.00 more per page than the JAC is willing to pay, hence over $ 850.00 because of another incompetent Defense mistake. PRICELESS!
HOW HARD IS IT TO READ THE FREAKIN HAND BOOK OF THE JAC? HOW HARD IS IT TO HAVE A COMPETENT ATTORNEY EXPLAIN IT TO BAEZ & MASON? imo, IF Judge P “allows Baez to slide because he is incompent, MANY other attorney’s will site Baez’s record of inability to follow the rules & expect the same for their oversights.”
Pushing the limits comes to mind in reference to ALL the astute questions, theories, opinions posted here. Perhaps looking at this with another colored glass may cajole the critics? Geesh, it is not of matter of when, it is a matter of fruition, period!
Beating the dead horse will not challenge, nor change what is par preparing any Defendant facing the death penalty. With that said, it also doesn’t preclude the Defense from ethical protocol either. In the absence of the aforementioned, the closer the trial date looms, expect more of the same ineptitude! Notwithstanding the motions forthcoming, booyah!
What piques my interest[incidentally, haven't blogged for weeks, restricted myself to lurking status] basically the inane precedent this case will impact Florida.
I am not sure but I do not think Casey was on the states dime when he brought in the experts he wants a refund on, unless I am mistaken on the time frame isn’t he asking for money to cover when they all came in the first time?
If that is the case, I do not believe he should get paid for that.
Maybe it is a bit odd, blunt or unusual to ask but this blog was published October 29. Now it is December 14. Craig, will there be a new blog before Christmas?
as readers like me (the readers that would like some facts concerning justice in this case and don’t care for nasty namecalling of defense members for instance) would like to know what is the status quo at the moment. What is really going on, what is the outcome of the hearings so far? From mr Sheaffers point of view?
Today is a hearing so I hear at 4pm, that is 10 pm for me so I won’t watch. I wonder if the anklechains of ms Anthony are still on when she goes to court, in spite of what was ordered earlier?
I think even now, there still is no evidence Casey Anthony killed Caylee? Or is there? Will the evidence come out before trial, or not, or is there none other than what has been out to the public already?
Ina,
First of all, the last post before this one by Mr. Sheaffer was on August 8, 2010 and ended October 29, 2010 with 2568 comments. Almost three months. This one has a bit over 900. Mr. Sheaffer has many interviews posted on the left side of this url http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/index.html where you can “listen” to his latest comments, last one being 11/29 after the hearing. “Maybe it is a bit odd, blunt or unusual to ask but” is it too much trouble to follow the news that is readily available to you that we all watch and then comment on?
As far as the ankle chains are concerned, you can also see the video of “Casey walking in” on the same site I posted above. Not to be curt but look for yourself. Ok, that was curt.
Does anyone know if any source will be running the hearing today?
Ina, I have to ask and I am not being mean, BUT do you try to be snarky or it it just the way you come across?
I rarely see a post from you that does not come across like you are eating razor blades and spitting insults.
judypc — that really wasn’t nice to Ina … her post was quite decent.
I have tons of Brits as long time friends, and trust me no one can out snark a Brit, they are top of the list at being rude, Bless their cotton socks, they know I love their tea sipping uppity arse’s.
But I swear Ina could piss off the POPE!!
Funny how they always seem to travel in pairs too.
Are you the roadie Hazaka, well at least you used one of your known name tags today.
judypc —- r u 4 real??/ I was out most of the day at the doctors ………and, I explained the other day … I am…..Yo Hola — yo hello —and hazaka —strong woman …… I speak 3 languages …and depending on how I feel…….. I have no other names —- so what is your point?
Are you snarky in all 3 ?
So whats your point other than to but in, I believe I was speaking to someone else.
“I speak 3 languages …and depending on how I feel…….”
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Then please speak in Yiddish, it will be easier to ignore.
דערנאך ביטע רעדן אין ייִדיש, עס וועט זייַן גרינגער צו איגנאָרירן.
sorry —- Yiddish is NOT one of my languages …………
OYE VEY! LOL!
Bill Schaeffer mentioned he will write when there is something to write about and not just “white noise” (something to that effect). I must say, much of what is going on sometimes regarding the defense IS a bunch of white noise!!! LOL!
Soooo, I am not surprised that the defense was granted those additional 100 hours.
I look at it this way lately: Let them get what they ask for coz when Casey is convicted, who wants to hear her and the family whining and moaning that her defense team did not have the funds granted to them to defend her. (I mean, she could have ten million dollars and 20 PI’s and it still won’t make her innocent!!!!) The family will still cry that she is innocent and if she gets the DP she will get an automatic appeal, but I say let the defense get the money they think they need to defend her so THAT won’t be grounds for an appeal. I say this, mind you, NOT being a Florida resident who’s taxes are paying for this!
I must say, I have found a trend here. The people who proclaim there is a lack of evidence to show that casey is guilty are the same ones who are seemingly incapable of reading the information that WFTV so kindly maintains in this special section of the skank. For Heavens sake, Mr. Sheaffer has better things to do than come here and restate what he has already said and what WFTV has archived. But, for those who are not well versed in the use of the internet…just click this link, it will take you right to a HUGE amount of information, including the comments Mr. Sheaffer has made:
http://www.wftv.com/news/26089105/detail.html
Judy…Being from the South, I would have to say, “Bless her heart” LOL Cold?
Evening friends, I was out today & am just catching up on the hearing.
Ellejay, a great Hinky Meter Blogger with a knack for details gave us the skinny on the Hearing Today! THANKS Ellejay!,
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:29 pm
• First up is investigative hours motion.
• Baez says there is “a plethora of witnesses that need to be interviewed”
• 110 witnesses
• Baez does not believe they warrant depos.
• But they do need to be interviewed he says
• Baez wants computer generated reports on the witnesses that tell things like last known address and ph numbers
• JP asked for more details on the request.
• JP asks of Baez has looked at JAC guidelines for use of investigative hrs
• JP referring to a specific invoice. JP not sure if it is all reimbursable. Baez ok with that
Gabe Travers/WESH.com
• JP says he has concerns about some of the invoices he has
• Generally these are people that we have to do our due diligence -Baez
• Says prosecutors have listed all witnesses as class a. No b or c.
• JP says he is going to grant some more hours. Not clear yet how many
• JAC says defense is already over their allotted hours. Even before today.
• JP saying that he can’t control how many witnesses state listed
• Says he does not believe the hours are excessive…because death is on the table.
• JAC math says hours already submitted mean Baez only has 30 hrs left. Buy JAC hasnt gone through invoices
• JP: I want this case to progress
• JP granting another 60 hrs
• JP reiterating that some of the invoice hours may not be reimbursable with taxpayer money
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Interesting!
Ellejay at Hinky Meter also shared this on the travel:
Gabe Travers/WESH.com
• Now onto travel motion.
• Baez says all experts willing to follow JAC billing rules. Says order is needed from judge
• JP says you can get an order when I see the details. I don’t just give orders in blank.
• JP says he must see actual amount
• Baez says reqs already submitted to JAC. But declined bc there was no order
• Reminder from Perry there is a status hearing Monday re penalty phase witnesses
• Wait we are clarifying the hrs order.
• ok… So it’s 110 whatever the defense may be OVER. That’s how many granted.
• And how much they may be over is debatable. JAC needs to go through invoices.
• JAC says they already are over. That’s why it is 110. So they have 110 to work with AFTER JAC figures out how much over.
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I have gotten lost with this travel & the expert’s. IS THIS CORRECT? Baez/Mason have to submit to Judge P who the expert’s are & the travel arrangements & COST so Judge P can approve! THEN, after Judge P “approves it if it is reasonable, then Baez/Mason can submit it to the JAC for payment.” Do the expert’s pay their own travel & they are being “reimbursed, or are they requesting the money.” Judge P will not sign off on this. I read somewhere Baez didn’t “fill in the amount of money he is requesting for travel for the expert’s, I guess he didn’t want it reported but he can’t get money otherwise.” Is this correct on the travel or have I misunderstood? thanks.
I had to laugh at Judge P today, he ask Baez “IF HE HAD READ THE JAC HANDBOOK!”
frankie, that’s true. Some people are just so damned lazy. The answer to their redundent questions have all been stated. Clearly and repeatedly. But, they will ask over and over rather than take the time to find the answer. Either lazy or intellectually-challenged maybe? I guess they think every time that they ask the same question they are making people really think. Ha ha ha ha ha . . . . Or maybe the defense pays them by the question. Who knows? I always laugh when I read that they’re trying to say there’s a lack of evidence showing baby-killer is guilty. That’s hilarious. There’s so much evidence they’re choking on it. There’s so much evidence it stacks up over six feet in height! Silly fools.
Thanks, Ellejay!
art tart, “I had to laugh at Judge P today, he ask Baez “IF HE HAD READ THE JAC HANDBOOK!” Hee! Judge P is assuming that the idiot can read.
Seamus O’Riley has another interesting article, Understanding The Anthonys.
“People are often shocked, outraged, and angered by whatever the latest “stunt” pulled by the anthonys.
When for example, the Anthonys began showing up at “missing” child cases, the public was outraged and shocked at the obvious hypocrisy:
“they’re lying! Caylee was never missing!”
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/
Hi Bees, Frankie, art!
Yes indeed, Bees. Caylee was never missing
Very cold in NY. Bees, I do think on Sunday we were getting some of storm you were speaking about the other day. No snow though, just rain. And a lot of it.
wonder if Jose will try to all his hearings by phone now save himself from the media?
(yes I woke up snarky)
OKAY time to hook up the I.V. of coffee.
Morning LindaNewYork, BEES KNEES, & judypc, I woke up a bit snarky myself! I can’t sleep!
I read for hours all over the net last night about the hearing yesterday & it seems Baez has taken the “JAC Rules & Handbook & has made a complete cluster of it!” Judge P awarded MORE investigative hours, BUT, Baez has ALREADY SUBMITED 120 hours that are NOT APPROVED! Does the Defense think they will start submitting bills to the JAC with any approval of Judge P & they won’t be “outed?” ARE THEY NUTS? Is this what Judge P meant when he told Baez “some of the bills wouldn’t be paid?”
I was reading in an article I think at the Orlando Sentinel that Judge warned Baez that “investigative hours aren’t going to pay for ANYTHING that a paralegal or secretary can do.” The JAC has a lot of invoices “submitted to the JAC that they are still going through to see if “they are legitimate for payment or if they qualify for payment under the guidelines.”
jmo, Baez is “again playing fast & loose with the taxpayer’s money,” where the hell does he get off just submitting bills without approval? LOL! The JAC knows what Baez is about, they are DENYING it sounds like a lot of the bills, the JAC is “going over Baez’s bills closely,” the behavior is “so predictable of Baez, the JAC isn’t going to let him by with anything!”
SO! Does this mean that the 100 plus hours awarded the DT for Investigative hours have already been used? I can’t see Judge P “allowing over 100 hours to be paid he didn’t approve which is what Baez did when he submitted the bills.
HEARING ON MONDAY, we shall see if Baez did the two reports due by NOON ON TUESDAY correctly, the Depositions of those two expert’s were to be done this week.
I have read all the Media Reports, etc. this morning & I think I understand the ruling & answers to some of my own questions, LOL!
1. Baez submitted 120 hours for payment without approval of Judge P, APPARENTLY MOSTLY SECRETARIAL duties being billed as P I Investigative, they WON’T qualify for payment as warned by Judge P. SHAME on Baez for yet again, being Baez, being a low life, always appearing “shady & not following the rules!”
2. Baez will have 100 hours going forth iin Investigative, these hours in question are not “included.”
I hope Judge P gives Baez “everything he freakin wants so when this trial is over & the Verdict is delivered, IF she get’s LWOP, the APPEAL Attorney can’t say poor murdering KC didn’t get all the “investigative hours needed.” jmo, there will be an APPEAL for KC for “mismanagement of Trust Account Funds,” Baez just can’t seem to keep financial records, KC’s attorney will “challenge where the hell her money went & want an accounting of every penny.” THEN we will finally see where her money went. Mr. Sheaffer has said that KC had a lot of money to buy a lot of investigation, but ALL we saw of KC’s money were a ton of “Failed Motions,” which are generated from Baez sitting on his butt in front of a computer.
Art:
Judge Perry was not a happy camper with jokin jose’, he did not award the travel expenses because as usual jose’ did not supply the court with receipts, invoices, or any type of useful needed info.
He begrudgingly awarded 110 extra hours for the P.I. BUT gave jose a good scolding because used the past hours foolishly having the PI set in on meetings and taking notes.
He said ” regretfully his hands were tied, he had to give them the added hours to question the 110 witnesses they have yet to get to, because Casey’s right to a fair trail by law gives her the right to question all witnesses”
He also warned jose” NOT to misuse these added hours”.
He is coming to the well a little to often, and not supplying the required paperwork, Judge Perry flat out told him he would NOT award him any money for shoddy work.
judypc, I agree, it would seem that Judge P’s hand’s are tied IF BAEZ is legitimately using the investigative time. I assume that Judge P is letting the JAC “check on Baez” but Judge P has warned Baez about a “fishing expedition, Judge P gives him more time, & he continues to fish!” I am appalled that Baez has submitted WITHOUT permission MORE “bills to be paid for Jeremy Lyon’s for secretarial work.” WHY Baez isn’t humilated that EVERYONE following the case, State Prosecutor’s, LE/FBI, EVERYONE following the case KNOWS that 70% of this work could have been done over the past 2 years, but hell no, why spend KC’s money when the taxpayer’s can pay for everything. Judge P “politely MADE Baez admit he has had 2 yrs. to do the “reciprocal discovery,” I assume to just let Baez know that he isn’t fooling anyone, including Judge P. Baez is one of those people that think everyone is stupid but him, the joke is on Baez, we ALL get it, I wonder if the ANT’s get it? For all the games & lies they’ve told for KC, to leave it in the hand’s of an idiot to defend KC, LOL! KARMA!
I work w/Special Needs kids, I have to keep precise documentation on all the student’s I service, I have to document everything they do including if they had a seizure or threw up.” MANY special needs kids receive SSI & the STATE pays for the “Special Needs Program in the Public School System which is great.” My point is, I have to document EVERY child I see, every day, what we did, etc., I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY the JAC doesn’t require this of those submitting bills for payment to them when dispencing the hard earned money of the taxpayer’s.
I was reading at WS & someone suggested that when J Lyon’s submits he spoke with “SOMEBODY, ANYBODY” the JAC follow up with a phone call to check on J Lyon’s. I also don’t undertstand WHY the Defense continues to use J Lyon’s when there are “outstanding complaint’s against him.”
Judge P continiue to warn Baez, cutting Baez down to the knees on what he has to now do for the STATE for acting an ass & playing games in emails, I wonder when Judge P is “actually going to check on Baez to see what he’s doing.” Sounded like the JAC was “not going to pay for the transcription of a company Baez used that they didn’t approve, $850.00 more than is alloted for the work. Baez needs now to be penalized monetarily, more incompetence, more shoddy work.
Casey Defense Coughs Up More Info On Expert Testimony
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/26146022/detail.html
I would love for an attorney to advise as to if it is common practice to use snarky, rude, condescending language in a motion regarding their expert witnesses and what they will testify to/about.
If I or anyone else, during the course of business spoke or wrote something that is so unprofessional, would be fired!
Please, Mr. Sheaffer tell me that is now how attorney’s should conduct themselves.
Hey Jose/Mason–I hope the cadaver dogs DO testify, then bite you both in the butt!
LindaNewYork, I agree. WHY would anyone want to just act like an “ass,” must be part of the “complex Baez has about EVERYONE KNOWING his license to practice law for 8 Yrs. was with held! Baez isn’t smarter than anyone, Baez has LESS experience than anyone except the newbie that got “sworn in as an Attorney by Judge P a couple of Hearings ago. BAEZ HAS NO EXPERIENCE except the other case in which he defended another “baby murderer!” CONVICTEDF OF COURSE with that guy screaming “incompent counsel, not ineffective counsel.” I swear you can’t make this stuff up!
BAEZ IS A LIAR! Apparently, his expert’s DID write reports, Baez had ALL the information the STATE was requesting, he just thought he would with hold it. Over 300 pages, LOL! Although he didn’t release the expert’s report, HE DID USE THEM to COMPLY with Judge P’s butt chewing. ALL DISCLOSED!
We should be getting a DOC DUMP Soon. Remember the 45 pages the STATE gave Baez from the FBI, then there is NUT JOB Laura Buchanan, over 100 pages, now ALL this information from the Ringmaster, makes for a pretty big DOC DUMP!
Hearing for Monday, it’s a regular Status Hearing.
Thanks for the link, WHERE is Kathy Belich, haven’t seen her reporting lately, NOBODY does it like Belich, she doesn’t put up with the CRAP the Defense spins~!
The documents are showing us, among other things, that one expert will try to refute the medical examiner’s findings that Caylee died as a result of homicide.
To date, prosecutors have handed over 23,589 pages of discovery.
It’s evidence they may present in court.
Mixed into the massive piles of papers, pictures and CD’s is the prosecutors’ strategy to convict Casey.
On Wednesday, prosecutors received 329 pages from the defense.
But their strategy is becoming clear in just five pages.
It’s their list of 12 expert witnesses and what they’ll testify about.
One of the defense experts is Dr. Werner Spitz.
He did a second autopsy on Caylee.
The defense documents reveal that Spitz “found no signs of trauma and could not find a cause of death.”
Spitz would also potentially rebut the testimony of Orange County Chief Medical Examiner Jan Garavaglia, who ruled that the manner of Caylee’s death was homicide caused by “undetermined means.”
Dr. Timothy Huntington, a forensic entomologist, is another defense expert.
The defense documents reveal Huntington would counter testimony from the state’s expert entomologist, except Huntington agrees with two parts of the state’s expert report.
* “Caylee Marie Anthony’s body decomposed at another location and not the recovery site.”
* “There were NO coffin flies found in the trunk of the Pontiac Sunfire.”
Next week, prosecutors will have to hand over a similar list to the defense of experts who haven’t prepared reports in this case.
The depositions of these experts will continue into the new year.
Both sides are expected back in court next Monday for a status hearing in the case.
Casey will not be attending unless the judge decides otherwise.
So folks they are going after Dr.G. guns a’blazin.
http://www.cfnews13.com/static/articles/images/documents/SKMBT_C45210121512020.pdf
judypc, very very interesting. imo, Dr. G “can hold her own, even against an expert that disagrees.
imo, “hypothetically,” even if they disputed that Caylee was at the “remain site on the date KC was in jail, Caylee WAS IN CAYLEE’S TRUNK, KC was the Driver of that vehicle, NO ONE else drove that automobile, KC had 31 days to report Caylee Dead & she didn’t, so I don’t see how the Defense thinks this clears KC of anything. Even if “reasonable doubt was created about one or two things, the “totality of all of the evidence against KC, imo, the jury would deliver a guilty verdict.
Does it implicate her family as many have suspected? Did D Casey “share that information for full immunity? Many think, due to the cell phone pings during the 31 days dead, KC was at the “remains site around 3:00 am during thiis period, was she trying to plant evidence?” Many Web Sl. think that is the case. I would not put it “past any lying Anthony to have helped KC, but I would guess it would bee Lee,” after all, “he knows what he’s done!”
For all the smoke & mirrors, the defense would have “to prove WHO KC GAVE Caylee to, thus far the person she claims doesn’t exist! The Defense would have to prove the murderer DROVE KC’s car, KC gave them the keys, imo, the Defense can’t overcome this. KC was the last known person to have Caylee, KC was the murderer, KC drove around w/Caylee in her trunk.
judypc, what are your thoughts, imo, STILL not enough for reasonable doubt. No doubt the case will be a “battle of the expert’s.” BUT! The totality of the evidence, imo, will convict KC, she may not get the DP, but imo, she will get LWOP.
Valhall did an excellent “skinny on the expert’s.”
imo, UNTIL the Defense can explain WHO KC gave Caylee to, WHY KC would allow them to put her murdered child in the trunk of the Pontiac, WHY they gave KC her keys back to drive the Pontiac until the DECOMP stench was too overwhelming, the EXPERT’s won’t help the Defense much, it might just point to another member of the Anthony Family HELPING KC as Cindy always suggested & told the Detectives, “IF KC DID THIS, SHE HAD HELP!”
For those that have forgotten what the crime scene looked like 2 years ago, what the vegatation *& growth at the scene where little Caylee was found, here is a link to some of the photos. It’s still sickening to see the “laundry bag & black trash bag,” I assume Baez would like the Jury to think that “an unknown murderer dumped Caylee near the Anthony Home” so KC would have that “feeling in her gut that Caylee was close to home!”
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/021809remainsfoundOCSOpictures_set4/1/lg/196281.htm
After reading the latest in the case, reading the reports, etc., I have found NOTHING that explains the “compelling reason that KC never contacted LE about Caylee & the 31 days missing/dead” that Baez has promised repeatedly on National TV. I haven’t seen one piece of evidence that would show that KC is innocent or that the Murderer could possibly be anyone other than KC.
Baez’s expert’s flew into Orlando to meet with the INCOMPENT/INEXPERIENCED 3 yr. attorney! Baez THOUGHT that they would be ALLOWED into the crime scene. IDIOT! IDIOT! Layman KNOW that NO ONE is allowed into a crime scene UNTIL it is cleared by CSI/LE! Baez whined & whined, filed an emergency MOTION in which he was told what LAYMAN already knew! Baez, AT THIS EARLY STAGE, whined to Judge S if the STATE could pay for “all the travel expenses of his expert’s to fly back to Orlando because they couldn’t enter the crime scene!” IDIOT! IDIOT!
It is ALSO important to remember that the DEFENSE did not view the crime scene when it was turned over to them on Dec. 20, 2008. He screwed around, did some National Media appearances, then when he remembered about Caylee & decided to look at the Crime Scene, the Owner had put up a NO TRESPASSING SIGN. LOL! Then Baez filed ANOTHER LAUGHABLE MOTION whining, yet again, that his expert’s couldn’t enter the Crime Scene & that there was NOW a NO TRESPASSING SIGN on the property.
ROFLMAO! Aston shot back a response that read: “The Defense Team DID SHOW UP FOR PHOTO OPTS while CSI were sifting for Caylee’s remains.” It is also important to remember that while Baez screwed around, some of the STATE’s expert’s viewed Caylee’s little skeleton, what was left of it before being scattered with vegetation growing through the bones. The DEFENSE’S experts have had to rely, mostly on photos of the crime scene. Baez was FINALLY able to access the crime scene on Jan. 30, 2009. Of Course he could have visited the Crime Scene WHEN it was turned over to him by LE on 12/20/09, BUT, he didn’t bother.
2 years from the time these pictures were taken, it doesn’t appear Baez is any smarter than the 3 yr. attorney that flew in experts to tromp through a CRIME SCENE!
art tart, there doesn’t seem to be any surprise in their expert list. Just some bad people who are willing to try and confuse facts to save the life of a skank who killed the only good thing she had going for her. I wish there was some way to find out which of them have little children. I would be fascinated to know how they tuck their precious babies into bed at night with one hand while working to save the life of someone who would extinguish an innocent precious life with their other. Monsters.
I feel the same way about the troll sweatin’ her buns off pounding away on some keyboard trying to convince someone, anyone? that casey is innocent ~ although I have not heard even one bit of evidence that shows it. Monster.
Did you see that the defense expert they brought in to refrute the vegetation evidence? The person’s specialty is WESTERN GRASSLAND. Ha ha ha ha ha. Ummmmmmm, excuse me Mr. Expert. The uhmm, murder took place in umm, FLORIDA?!?! Idiot. Why do you think they are going so hard with their fabrication of slutty o-marie throwing Caylee into her swamp-dump grave once she wa in jail? The scientific evidence clearly shows which vegetation was growing through her little bones. There are no ifs, ands, or maybes about this and yet they continue to straight-up lie about it. And now they brought in a WESTERN GRASSLANDS EXPERT to lie to us? Ha ha ha. What next?
I really can’t see how effective any of them will be. And please, how will they possibly be able to say there is no way to prove the case was a homicide while at the same time the jury is gaping, shocked, at the hiuge coloured photos of Caylee’s little skull covered in duct tape? Won’t the defense run a huge risk of really pissing the jury off with that? Cause that would be my first reaction. Utter rage.
Art:
IMO, they can line experts up around the courthouse and they still will not be able to explain away “31 DAY’S” “DUCT TAPE” “THE CAR” “THE LIES”
The first bits of evidence to me are still the strongest, and still the ones that will convict her.
In my mind until they can produce Zanny the Nanny, they are at 2 out’s in the 9th inning and the state has several power pitchers ready to throw.
BEES KNEES, I agree, The Defense HAS to have the best expert’s they can get just to put on a Defense, but, imo, the arguments they make with the STATE will not overcome the STATE’s witnesses, 31 days missing, that KC was the last known person to have Caylee, that there was decomp. fluids in KC’s trunk, no other known person ever drove KC’s car. The Defense Expert’s are paid to disagree with the State, BUT, that does not mean they are correct. There will be “no Perry Mason moments in the Trial unless Cindy were to scream out that Gas Can George was the murderer & that KC was covering for her father, the sexual abuser, because she was afraid” or if “Cindy could scream out during the trial Caylee wasn’t dead, the Memorial Service was just another Anthony Scam for money & to promote KC!” Then maybe the Defense could get a mis-trial, but other than that, imo, KC will be convicted.
BEES, this case was never hard to understand, it was really just another fillicide except for the case becoming “sensational by the Family & Defense making Media Tours.” The SUNSHINE LAW contributed in that we could actually “see a murderer LIE upon LIE to LE/FBI/Detective’s desperately looking for the murderer’s daughter. GA/CA/Lee/KC NEVER ACTUALLY LOOKED FOR CAYLEE!
I read many times today, in which I know is true from watching juror’s being interviewed after major cases, that sometimes juror’s DISMISS expert’s if it gets “too cloudy or muddled,” it can become a “pissing match.” Totality of Evidence, imo, will convict KC.
DOC DUMP FRIDAY!
oooooo – doc dump Friday! That’s tomorrow! This might be a juicy one. What do you think it will include?
judypc, I agree too with your comment, UNTIL the DEFENSE can “Produce the Imaginanny” in which we know she never existed, unless they can “produce the compelling reason Baez promised as to WHY KC NEVER called LE about the 31 days Dead/Missing, explain WHY KC was “bumping & grinding at FUSION, the trial will be day after day of testiimony about what KC didn’t do for Caylee & what KC did for herself.
judypc, as you said, it doesn’t matter how many experts the Defense has, UNTIL Baez/Mason understand that they cannot overcome the LIES told, KC will spend the rest of her life in prison just as Mason predicted KC would do before he joined the case. imo, it is the least that she deserves.
My God, art tart. If the jury gets to see what we got to see . . .
~ bozo twitching, twirling in his chair, spinning his pen, waving people forward, interrupting the Judge, interrupting the State, patting his client, rude and childish remarks to the State . . .
~ foghorn mumbling and growling unintelligibly completely incomprehensible (something about oranges?) . . .
~ casey giggling and flirting, looking coyly out from under her lashes to her clown, playing x and o’s with whoever sits beside her, laughing as if she’s sitting in a bar lining up her prospects for the night . . .
BEES KNEES, I think I read that there would be some emails, correspondence, should be L Buchanan’s information, the 100 + pages on her, maybe the FBI 45 pages. What else I don’t know but it should be entertaining.
I don’t know if it will include the 300 + pages Baez was COMPELLED to turn over to the STATE, but we shall see!
art tart, judy, or anyone, how do we learn which evidence will be admissible? Is there a process that happens before the trial begins or is it decided upon piece by piece as the trial progresses? For example we do know now that the 911 calls will be heard but what about the jail conversations?
Also I’m still confused about the Nanny Defense. I have been told that it does not matter what casey’s “story” was when she got arrested, if the defense does not use it, it will never be mentioned. But then I’ve read that it DOES matter and in order to change that story casey would have to take the stand. It might have even been someone here who cleared that all up for me but I didn’t save it and I keep reading conflicting ideas on that at different sites. I promise I won’t ask again.
Oh, I can’t wait to read Laura’s handiwork. Heh heh heh (hunching my back and rubbing my hands in glee)!
Holly POOP! DEFENSE BILLS THE JAC $ 55,000.00 SINCE KC WAS DECLARED INDIGENT!
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-casey-anthony-finances-20101216,0,2290387.story
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I was reading today about another trial in Fla. in which the same happened, client hired private attorney, then, declared indigent. It was said that the ENTIRE BILL was not disclosed till the end of the trial & it was shocking. Nothing about this case could be shocking UNLESS the Anthony’s DEMANDED JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE or that KC ADMITS she’s a murderer, both are highly unlikely!
Art:
Defense experts are very often dismissed by the jury, they are thought of as nothing but hired guns, they will tell a story that fits who ever writes the check.
On the states side, Dr G for instance is a state medical ex. she is not paid extra for her findings, she is not paid to testify, so the scales tip in her favor as someone the jury trust.
judypc …your statement is not necessarily true. If juries dismiss expert witnesses, then why are they used? And, the state examiner is paid to testify … it is part of the job description …..and to testify means he or she gets to keep his or her job… it’s part of the package. The fact that certain specifics are not noted is oftimes quite wise … therefore the ME cannot be challenged on vagaries. All too often, facts have proven that the state medical examiner has ERRED.
Hi gals! It should be a good day for Caylee.
Judy, here are the answers to your questions you asked so long ago although I have nothing new to add to what almost everyone feels, I think. I hope I’m not too late, and I’m sorry it took me so long. I’ve been crazy busy with out-of-country company for about a month now on top of Christmas. I’ve barely been able to stay on top of the Caylee news dashing in here every few days to keep up with what I can. Anyway, today is mine!!!! Perfect for the doc dump. And while we wait, you asked:
1. What was it about this case that drew you to it, and what has kept you interested?
The first word I ever heard about the case must have been on-line as I don’t have TV. I can’t remember which site it could have been but I heard Cindy’s desperate and anguished 911 call and then saw a clip of cocky-o-marie smiling that sh*t-eating grin of hers hanging on to her clown’s arm. It was the combination of crazy’s pain and slutty’s glee that made me take a second look.
2. What person involved has touched your emotions the most?
Tim Miller. A frail and gentle man battling his own demons and living a waking nightmare everyday taking abuse and threats from the likes of anthony scum? It made me loathe them even more. Particularly cindy. And so many other families lost his invaluable help while he searched for Caylee? But thanks to his wisdom he did not continue the search risking further damage to Caylee’s tiny skeleton. Didn’t matter. They still shat on him.
3. Do you feel bloggers have had an effect on this case?
I do. At the very least I feel the defense has been able to test the potential jurors by gauging blogger’s reactions (and common sense) in trying to decide if they could possibly get away with their lies, smoke and mirrors.
4. Do you think the information found on the blogs has been more useful or informative than more customary outlets such as network media?
Yes. Absolutely. I find much of the media often has their facts wrong (not including Kathi Belich), even the bigger medias have reported wrong information and have allowed the anthonys to spread their lies nationally. I am very pessimistic about our current “news” medias and see a disturbing trend where entertainment shows (like Geraldo, Nancy Grace etc.) continue to grow in popularity. It’s quite worrisome really.
judypc:
Defense experts are very often dismissed by the jury, they are thought of as nothing but hired guns, they will tell a story that fits who ever writes the check.
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That’s true Judy. They would often be dismissed by the jury. That is always my first thought about a defense witness too. I look at everything they say through money-coloured glasses.
Hinky has started posting the doc. links. See ya later!
Thank you Bees for your answers, and no not to late.
Have been baking cookies all day today so have not had time to go through the doc’s, will catch up later tonight once I shut down the ovens and there are enough Christmas cookies to feed an army.
HO-HO-HO- —- OH -OH- OH- I’M TIRED!!!
Hazaka, judypc didn’t say that Defense Expert’s “were ALWAYS dismissed, but many times they are. It’ hard to believe Dr. Lee is running the same ole testimony, “sloppy police work” that he usually claims, in the Spector Trial, the JUDGE DISMISSED Dr. Lee’s Testimony!” The bottom line is: The Defense will look until “they find an expert that will support what they want to present in trial.” The STATE report’s just the facts, pro or con. imo, if Baez or Mason had been more up on “high profile cases, Dr. Lee kmight not have been chosen, he isn’t the “prize they thought,” especially when LD Burdick explained WHY the STATE wanted the Defense Expert’s to be supervised during the evidcence examination, the SPECTOR TRIAL & Dr. LEE! It seem to have been a complete surprise to Baez/Mason, LOL! No Surprise there either!
Did everyone see the JIB JAB Video made by none other STAR WITNESS JOY WRAY for the defense? Wonder if she has written Judge P lately?
http://www.wesh.com/video/26170999/detail.html
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Valhall converted the interviews to PDF form so they would be easier to read, JOY Wray admits to making the Video. This is the first time we have seen the video, we knew it existed from JW’s interview.
Mmmmmmmmm . . . Christmas cookies. C’mon Judy, you gotta share now! Want my address? LOL!
I’m disappointed in not seeing Laura B’s interview but even as nosy as I am I can respect the fact that some juicy evidence will be held back until the end. Whatever they have to do in order to end this case once and for all with a conviction is fine by me. We’re going to know it all in the end anyway.
I’m hoping by next Christmas casey and the rest of her dark and tacky circus will be a fading memory, but I wonder if I’m being too optimistic? I know there will be an automatic appeal when she is found guilty, right? Judy, do you know how much extra time that can add to the case? I’m pretty sure that appeal won’t be able to hold my interest but when the day finally comes to execute her I’ll tune in again for that.
Do all lethal injections follow the same mix? It’s usually three drugs ~ sodium pentethol (an anesthetic), pancuronium bromide (to paralyze her respiratory system), and potassium chloride (to stop her heart). If all goes as planned casey should be pronounced dead within ten to fifteen minutes following the injection I believe. I wonder if a crowd will gather outside the prison and I wonder if there will be silence or cheers when her death’s announced. And then we can all set about forgetting that rotten bad family exists. The only one of them that was of any value was erased and her family will spend the rest of their lives trying to make people forget the angel ever was. But no one will EVER forget Caylee.
I watched a super-creepy new movie last night called Dear Mr. Gacy. Has anyone seen it yet? It tells the true story of the college student, Jason Moss, who contacted Gacy in prison before he was executed (lethal injection ~ that’s why I know the mixture). I hadn’t heard about the kid before, I won’t give away any spoilers but I will say there were some creepy flashback scenes that made my hair stand on end. And that’s saying something for me cause I’m normally not affected by those types of movies (I’m de-sensitized, HA!) But that freak was weird! A real life monster. The movie was well done and worth watching if you’re interested in what goes on inside some of these dark, broken minds.
No art tart, judypc didn’t say the expert witnesses are always dismissed …. rather, “Defense experts are very often dismissed by the jury, they are thought of as nothing but hired guns, they will tell a story that fits who ever writes the check. And having known far too many expert witnesses with great honor and integrity … I disagree… And except for the trouble in the Spector case — about which I am very aware … it’s debatable what happened. However, the judge always has the last call…. Dr. Lee has more often than not, testified for the state. I felt to point out that judypc’s comments were imo far too dismissive.
I was confused, I thought the doc dump was going to be from the defense (the 300 pages handed over to the defense).
I wish there were transcripts of these interview. For some reason I hate listening to video’s.
Goodmorning all!
Hi Hazaka. It was great to read a thought out comment from you.
I CAN see how juries would feel defense witnesses are hired guns, though. I beleive I have rad or heard in the past that some juries actually dismiss expert testimony on both sides if it becomes noting but dueling expert witnesses.
Time to finish read around.
It does not seem that this doc dump garnered anything too new! It is interesting that that jibjab video was done by Joy Wray.
IMO I don’t think River Cruz will make it into the trial. Good gossip, though! LOL!
P.S. I’ll take some of those cookies too, Judy!
Well thank you LNY—
thought all my posts were well thought out!
I can not understand why they “re-dump” most of what was released yesterday was old news, things that had been released months ago.
I just do not see the point, and why the media waste’s their time on doing re-runs of it.
We have all read the letters heard the convicts stories as well as River Cruz’s.
How much does this cost the tax payers to have all this old stuff released?
Someone needs to start crunching numbers on both sides for foolish expenses.
Press release from George and Cindy Anthonys attorney addressing River Cruz
http://www.prlog.org/11159810-orlando-attorney-mark-lippman-issues-media-statement-regarding-legal-representation-in-casey-anthony.html
Note he does not deny taking thousands of dollars from her. How much was it? 4 or 5 grand or thereabouts. Maybe she has proof in the form of a check or money order about that money. The rest is he said/she said.
Funny they didn’t release a formal denial of Casey’s allegations of incest against her father and brother. I imagine they need to keep that on the back burner in case it’s needed in the penalty phase.
Hazaka, WE ALL READ EXACTLY WHAT judypc wrote. It is CLEARLY NOT DEBATABLE about what happened in the Spector case: The Judge THOUGHT Spector was a liar & was witholding evidence! There is ABSOLUTELY NO CONFUSION ABOUT THAT unless t confused you! He DIDN’T believe him so NOTHING else matters! WHAT you “THINK or theorize what might have happened DOESN’T MATTER!” You can argue with the moon! The Judge RULED! If Dr. Lee could SAVED his own sorry butt, he would have, ALL he has to SELL is his reputation & it is now “not impressive.” imo. Hazaka, I think LindaNewYork was commenting “that it was good to see you comment that was more than one line & wasn’t snarky.
LindaNewYork, that too is the majorty of what I read on juries, IF the expert’s are too confusing or it becomes a pissing match, juries will “dismiss both expert opinons & “look at the concrete evidecene in the case. imo, there is so much evidence, IF the jury ever gets past the 31 days dead/mssiing, the party pics of the bumping & grinding, the list is endless, then MAYBE they would argue about the expert’s, but imo, there is so much other evidence, the expert arguments won’t create doubt or advance KC’s defense. She’s SCREWED by her own attorney, this trial should have been over a long time ago but Baez didn’t have the “brain power or experience” to proceed professionally in KC’s best interest. imo.
Per George’s statement in regard to River:
3. At no time did George Anthony attack his daughter during the time that she was released from jail on bond.
4. At no time did George Anthony grab Casey Anthony around the neck or throw her against a wall.
Strange thing is if you go back and review statements from Tim Miller, George’s friend from Ohio, and the gal from L.P.’s team that was staying in the house, they also told of the big fight between George & Casey,that Cindy had to pull him off her, also if you check the media reports after the blow up he stormed out of the house saying ” He could not take the lies any more, he was tired of the B.S”
Soooooooo it makes sense to me that when he stormed off in a huff he went to River Cruz and spouted off his mouth.
art tart ——- WHATEVER ….. if now you feel better — great!
Terrytsk, thanks for sharing the link of the Anthony’s, YET AGAIN INTERJECTING their bullchit into the news! WHO cares what they both say, BOTH are known liars! Maybe somebody better send Lippman an email explaining to him that GA LIED between the Grand Jury & STATE Deposition “under oath,” the STATE was granted the “rare case of getting a copy of the Grand Jury Testimony of lying Gas Can George for comparision!” Valhall has written chapter’s on the LIES the Anthony’s have told, ALL the Anthony’s, GA has many chapter’s because he has lied to so many! I guess when you don’t PAY ATTORNEY’S, all they can do IS INTERJECT bullchit into the news to toot the horn of their firm. I guess too it’s the only way to SHUT Cindy up, I guess she “threatens her attorney’s too lke she threatened John Allen, she would go to the PRESS herself. LOL! KARMA, CA is a nutjob, it didn’t work with LE, they were looking for Caylee, Cindy WASN’T!
judypc, I agree with your comment. There are other’s who are “creditible people & have no other agenda than the truth!” It was about time for the Anthony’s to INTERJECT yet again! While other’s might think about Caylee not having yet another Chrstmas & enjoying her life, they continue to concentrate on themselves.
Apparently, LE DOES KNOW WHY GA “no longer can work for LE,” LE ask River if she knew. I read very early on in the case that “we would know this answer during the trial.” I don’t care, imo, it is his moral fiber, character, & dishonesty which has probably made him “inelgible to have worked for the Orange County,” he is now “Barny Fife, no gun for GA!” I too think GA had “charges pressed against him by his father for the assult when throwning his dad through the plate glass window at the car dealership! Guess those witnesses shared this with the Mitagator! I hope GA isn’t stupid enough to “purjure himself during the trial, but thus far, he has already purjured himself.”
The Anthony’s could still give their beloved grand daughter the unconditional love she deserved & DEMAND THE MURDERER be punished to the full extent of the law, get OVER themselves & concentrate on CAYLEE! The VICTIM! Due to the Anthony’s being so self absorbed, just like KC, that won’t happen!
Hazaka, it’s not about “feeling better, it’s just about the facts!” Those that see “conspiracy theories” are free to do so, but, they are not based on facts!
BEES KNEES, I saw that college guy on a 48 Hrs. Or Dateline last yr. I wasn’t aware there was a movie, I can certainly see why it was creepy. Is Gacy the one that painted the clowns too? Thanks for the heads up, was t at the Movie or a DVD or a “made for TV movie?”
art tart,
With all due respect, I am sure that you meant that Dr. Lee was a liar and withholding evidence. I will go to my grave defending Dr. Lee. Judge Fidler hated Phil Spector and showed his bias toward him during the trial. Sarah Caplan was Spector’s personal attorney, he fired her and put in his dream team. If you recall she was compelled to testify or go to jail. Why was she so reticent to testify? She had an axe to grind with Phil Spector and she threw Dr. Lee under the bus to get even. I will never believe that Dr. Lee would ruin his stellar reputation by withholding evidence (which was never found nor did anyone really define what exactly it was. (a small white object, possibly a chard of a fingernail) Why didn’t Judge Fidler force Dr. Lee to produce it or charge him with obstruction? Had you thought about that at all? And if you want to talk about the cop who sided with SC, they had a long history with each other in LE. You make the call on that one. Dr. Lee has testified many times for the Prosecution as well as the defense in his career. He is very wealthy and I doubt that he is for sale to the highest bidder since the University of New Haven has just started The Henry C. Lee Institute of Forensic Science. They certainly must have a good deal of faith in him and his knowledge. Seems that his reputation isn’t so bad after all.
http://www.henryleeinstitute.com/
Well of course they will deny what River said. And yes, the “choking” story was told by more than River. And George’s pal also said something to the effect “the only ones who know’s what happened to Caylee is that b*tch in the bedroom” (totally paraphrasing! LOL!)
Funny, none of the bigger media seems to be carrying their denials. The less press they get, the better. In the big shceme of things we know exactly what an Anthony is all about.
and yeah, judy it was “re-dump”.
Waiting for the doc dump of defense’s 300 pages.
LA ATTORNEY SARA CAPLAN HELD IN CONTEMPT
Ex-lawyer for Spector held in contempt
By Michael Muskal, Times Staff Writer
3:01 PM PDT, June 18, 2007
Sara Caplan, a former lawyer for Phil Spector, was formally held in contempt this afternoon for refusing to testify about what she saw when defense experts searched the music producer’s home where Lana Clarkson’s body was found.
In a hearing lasting about 20 minutes, Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Larry Paul Fidler ordered Caplan sent to jail until she was ready to testify before the jury in the Spector murder trial. He stayed the sentence, however, to allow the attorney time to appeal to a higher court.
Today’s legal action was as stylized as Kabuki theater.
Caplan was sworn in and took the stand. Deputy Dist. Atty. Alan Jackson then asked the first of several questions that Caplan said she could not answer because of her role as Spector’s former attorney.
http://allisonmargolin.blogspot.com/2007/06/la-attorney-sara-caplan-held-in.html
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Don’t you find this a bit hinky? She was no longer his attorney and this happened after her attorney client privilege expired with Phil Spector. And please don’t get me wrong, I thought Spector was guilty as hell.
Whoops! said, on December 18, 2010 at 12:24 pm —- BINGO ….. you stated what I didn’t ….. I am/was quite familar with the Spector case ….. and you nailed it…. Dr. Lee is a foremost forensic scientist who was besmerched in the Spector case due to the former lawyer and the judge….. it is what it is .. but…. I am certain that Dr. Lee is honorable and would never need to stoop to those allegations against him.
Hazaka said:
I am certain that Dr. Lee is honorable and would never need to stoop to those allegations against him.
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Hazaka, you DON’T KNOW THIS FOR CERTAIN nor does anyone else. NO ONE knows how many times Dr. Lee was “shady before he was caught!” IF Dr. Lee could have cleared himself he would have, he didn’t! The Spector Trial is over & the scumbag POS is exactly where he should be, in jail. Those that want to argue can argue with themselves, it is a non issue now, the ONLY opinoin that mattered was the Judge’s!
WHOOPS! We can agree to disagree, I have NO respect for Dr. Lee, because you respect him fine, but you don’t have to waste your time defending him to me or most that follow “High Profile Cases,” we know exactly what happened. The sad fact is, Dr. Lee took the Micheal Peterson’s case in which Micheal Peterson murdered his wife in the EXACT MANNER OF DEATH as his murdered his friend. Creditible? I didn’t find Dr. Lee creditible, neither did the jury! DUH! 2 women murdered in narrow stair cases the same way! GEEEEEEEEZ! WHY would anyone believe his testimony during this case? The beauty of the Micheal Peterson Case, is that he was then exposed for the3 1st murder!
LindaNewYork, YEP! It was about time for the Anthony’s to INTERJECT themselves yet again into the media, they are like Baez now, they think they need to “respond to DOC DUMPS!” LOL! Maybe the Attorney’s will explain to the Anthony’s that River is on the STATE’s Witness List, HHHHMMMMMM! Bet they can “verify some of what she has to say,” & yes, show yet again that “Gas Can George is a Liar!”
This DOC DUMP seems to make sense with the LAST INTERJECTION of the ANT’s in which they claimed they weren’t having maritial problems. I didn’t read one account of where ANYONE, even Hal Boedeker had even heard or that anyone CARED if they had marital problems! BUT! The Anthony’e were TOLD BY BAEZ THAT THIS WOULD BE DISCLOSED IN THE DOC DUMP ABOUT GA’S AFFAIR! LOL! They just thought they were getting out in front of the DOC DUMP! HA! HA! HA!! Predictable! Funny!
I bet Conway is laughing his butt off, the wrath of CA demanding to make statements in the media which are “self serving & entertaining” are surely NOT missed by Conway. I never understood why he got mixed up with the likes of the liars, he dumped them salvaging his reputation, GOOD for him!
First of all art tart, the word is credible not creditible. Second, I have followed probably more high profile cases than you are old. Third I don’t get what you mean by Dr. Lee took the Michael Peterson case. What does that have to do with his credibility? And last but not least, have you ever known a judge to make an error? I have seen it numerous times. They are not God’s and they can be wrong. Just because you believe he was right doesn’t make it so. There are many who feel that Judge Fidler is the best thing since sliced bread but he is a man first and then a Judge a biased one at that imo. He was dead wrong about Dr. Lee or he would have cited him for obstruction. Yes it is a non issue now and we can agree to disagree but you can bet that if Spector gets a new trial and he likely will, it will come up. I don’t expect he will prevail if that happens but no one expected a hung jury in the first trial either.
WHOOPS! I didn’t bother reading your comment about Dr. Lee as I am not going to debate the Spector Trial in which Dr. Lee was humilated & did not testify. It’s over just like the OJ Simpson Trial is over! The Judge’s ruling is final! As Hazaka said, “it is what it is!”
You are entitled to your opinion about Dr. Lee & I respect that, I don’t agree, I have no respect for Dr. Lee & expect you to do the same & respect my opinion, I see “no reason to discuss it further!”
Whoops! said, on December 18, 2010 at 2:46 pm —— yikes …. one more time ….. I’m WITH YOU …….
Hal Boedeker ask the question: “Is Chrystal Credible?”
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/12/casey-anthony-how-credible-is-krystal-holloway.html
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judypc, I read that there was supposed to be a hearing on something about the DP at 1:30 on Monday, it might have been in this article, it might just take a minute for that hearing but of course, Baez & Mason have “other issues they always want to discuss” & it is always not the appropriate time as Judge P reminds them. I also read there was a hearing on Tuesday, that may be the “regular scheduled STATUS Hearing” but I guess we will know more by Monday.
Kathy Belich must have been on vacation as she did report on the last DOC DUMP which is included in the article by Hal.
“She was no longer his attorney and this happened after her attorney client privilege expired with Phil Spector. ”
Whoops can you explain what you mean by this statement please. I’ve always thought attorney client privilege is forever, even when you’re no longer representing the client.
UNTIL DEATH … r indicitement ……
Terrytsk said, on December 18, 2010 at 4:01 pm
“She was no longer his attorney and this happened after her attorney client privilege expired with Phil Spector. ”
Whoops can you explain what you mean by this statement please. I’ve always thought attorney client privilege is forever, even when you’re no longer representing the client.
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Yes, only with respect to what your client has told you while you were representing him/her. After that it is fair game but she cannot reveal anything that was told to her while in the employ of her client.
Haz,
What the hell does this mean? “r indicitement”
Whoops: not going to belabor too many points regarding Henry C. Lee, Ph D. except to add that the defense in the LA trial neglected to provide a subpoena to testify, therefore HCL remained out of country, not available to the court regarding the fingernail issue however the former defense atty was forced to testify & did so with the reluctant acceptance of the previous client after the concurring advice of his current attys. It was advice given knowing that HCL WAS NOT returning to the USA (this I know from personal knowledge). Regarding UNH’s new Institute, be advised that the other educational area of note of this educational institution is BUSINESS, as in marketing, and all of the associated venues!
And yes, I’ve had the experience of dealing one on one with HCL.
Did anybody else catch River Cruz’s statement (IIRC, part 1 of interview 1) where she told the detectives she wasn’t sure of the amount given to george (4,000 +) but that the bank had the checks? Then, in another part (IIRC interview 2) – she was asked again how she gave Geo the money and now it was cash in a bank evelope?
I’m not trying to be obtuse but come on get real here. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Look at Andrea Lyon and her supporters when it was finally brought to light that “The Angel of Death Row” had conspired to keep an INNOCENT man in jail for over 20 years. She said she couldn’t clear that poor young man (or at least young at the time of his incarceration, of course he was hardly young 20 odd years later) because attorney client privilege prevented her from doing so. Bull shite. She did not give a shite about that poor man whose life was stolen. Her excuse, “I had no choice. Attorney/Client privilege”. She wasn’t even an attorney involved in the case. She merely notarized some papers for her partners.
NB. Those papers absolved this man who spent his life in jail.
And now you’rre trying to say that attorney/client privilege doesn’t count for squat.
Either you don’t know what you’re talking about or Andrea Lyon got away with a travesty of justice for the 20 odd years she knew an innocent man sat in prison. Which is it?
art tart, yes, Gacy fancied himself an artist (yikes!). His clowns were all skulls in costumes. So creepy! I’m not sure if the movie played in theatres or if it was released straight to dvd but I actually watched it online at movie2k. I’d never watched a movie online before but a friend was over and showed me the site.
I agree! They release the same pieces of evidence repeatedly. No wonder they say there are 376,987,329,145,231,000 pieces of paper released so far in this case. Or something like that!
joypath, good to hear from you, your experiences are always interesting.
The interesting thing to me about Dr. Lee pertaining to Caylee’s Case is when Dr. Lee signed on, he was PRO BONO! Dr. Lee did an interview with Nancy Grace in which she ask him “how much he was being paid or was it in the form of a book deal etc.” Dr. Lee replied that he was “PRO BONO!” Well he was PRO BONO until KC became indigent THEN he billed the JAC $ 8,000.00 for his time, & then said it was 1/2 price. LOL! Natisha Lance, producer for NG mentioned this on IN SESSION that Dr. Lee was PRO BONO, then she mentioned Mason show boating about a crate of oranges that Dr. Lee had once worked for,” LOL! Dr. Lee, is a “business.” She too mentioned he has billed $ 8,000.00 for services THUS FAR, bet the Fla. Taxpayer’s aren’t laughing about the once “PRO BONO Expert” that when he found out that he could BILL the Taxpayer’s, he did just that. ALL that for Dr. Lee to say “sloppy police work.”
Dr. Lee tried that in the Micheal Peterson Case, it didn’t work then either. Two women MURDERED the same way, blunt force trauma to the head in narrow Stair Cases! Since the OJ Simpson Trial, you would think “murderer’s that murder & have the money to pay the expensive expert’s would learn, THEY DON’T beat a murder wrap when they are clearly guilty by hiring an EXPERT to AGREE with whatever the Defense wants put out!” We are seeing the murderer’s convicted over & over, I don’t know what Micheal Peterson paid Dr. Lee but he is sitting in Prison the rest of his life, no possibility of parole. Micheal Peterson was a griftor, he used his wife’s lucrative job to pay his way through life & pay Dr. Lee, Kathleen Peterson’s daughter sued the griftor & was awarded 25 million dollars, ALL of his assets. Kathleen Peterson also left her “life insurance policy for over a milllion dollars to her daughter, not Micheal P. I assume he refinanced his home to finance his “grand defense team” which got him nothing, he is a murderer. Aprodite Jones wrote the book on this case & Lifetime did the movie, there was a 48 hrs. Mystery, Dateline, & my favorite, Dominick Dunne did the case on Power, Priveledge & Justice.
@Terrytsk said, on December 18, 2010 at 11:31 pm,
I am not sure who you are addressing with your above comment. You mentioned the initals NB where you said, “Those papers absolved this man who spent his life in jail.”
Terry, actually it was 26 years this poor man spent in prison while Ms Lyon carried on her life without regard for his under the guise of attorney client privilege. She could have made her case for revealing what she knew but she would have thrown her partners in “crime” under the bus do. She likely would have been absolved but they wouldn’t have. Too bad too sad as far as I am concerned. After hearing the tapes of her symposiums and her disdain for Judges and fellow attorneys, I believe she has no moral fiber whatsoever imo.
Who are you referring to when you wrote, “you’re trying to say that attorney/client privilege doesn’t count for squat?” I have not seen those words spoken here.
Andrea Lyon certainly did get away with a travesty of justice for this man and again who are you referring to with your final statement? Who here are you speaking to when you say, “Either you don’t know what you’re talking about” etc?
In my humble opinion, Andrea Lyon should have had her bar card permanently taken from her for this travesty. She epitomizes what most people hate about defense attorneys and she is teaching law students. That may be even a larger travesty.
Sorry I meant “under the bus to do so”.
The literal translation of the Latin “nota bene” is “note well”.
Terrytsk, being a three year student of latin, I know what “nota bene means = “Please note that” and note bene = note well. You missed the declension. However, I don’t use abbreviations for latin phrases as most people don’t understand them. Aside from that, I am more interested in your answer to my comment at 1:50 am. Thanks
“After hearing the tapes of her symposiums and her disdain for Judges and fellow attorneys, I believe she has no moral fiber whatsoever imo”,
I agree.
Andrea Lyon certainly did get away with a travesty of justice for this man In my humble opinion
Andrea Lyon should have had her bar card permanently taken from her for this travesty. She epitomizes what most people hate about defense attorneys and she is teaching law students. That may be even a larger travesty.
And at the same time, I don’t see how Casey Anthonys case relates to our conversation. The 2 almost 3 year old Cayee Anthony, deserved to live. And” good hell he actually means well!!
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just saw your comment …. had signed off last night….. I meant…..”dealth or indictment.” —–
OMG —- DEATH!
Terrytsk said, on December 19, 2010 at 4:26 am
“And” good hell he actually means well!!”
Not sure what you mean by this. I think that since this started out about expert witness Dr. Lee, it relates as well as Ms Lyon who in my opinion left when the money ran out and wanted off the Titanic in a life boat.
Whoops, RE: Lyon’s leaving the case.
Whoops, I agree, I too think Lyin Lyon’s left the case when the money ran out, but imo, it would be “intolerable to work w/Baez who has no experience & wants to run the Defense Team & has made poor decisions in the beginning of the case on KC’s behalf & Mason who seems to be a constant state of confusion & not up on the case.
imo, Lyon’s too could have realistically seen that KC’s chances are not good, with Mr. Sheaffer saying this case will be “attached to the Defense Team for the next 20 years, who needs the grief when you are trying to write & sell books. Hornsby said Lyon’s spent a good deal of her time “cleaning up after Baez & all the mistakes he had made” in addition to all the “work she did on the DP.” I personally would have a real propblem working with a moron like Baez, he had already drained KC’s entire Trust Account, Lyon’s did work Baez isn’t remotely qualified to do while having to supervise Baez.
LK Baden & Lyon’s both appeared on the TODAY SHOW both “promoting their new books with LK Baden saying, “The STATE is trying to take Ms. Anthony’s life, Ms. Lyon’s is trying to save it.” Now all that “publicity is gone” & the Court Date is approaching, I wonder who will bail next?
judypc, I don’t know if you read the “skinny” on Hal Boedeker’s TV GUY Column in which he “highlighted the Orlando Media Reports on the latet DOC DUMP!”
(snip:)
Pipitone said the documents released today show that searchers didn’t go far enough into the woods to look for the toddler. And Pipitone said the newly released documents heavily discredit the claims of “one mentally ill woman who got some press notoriety by claiming the body was not there when she looked.”
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It continues to baffle me as to WHY Baez/Mason have wasted so much time on the TES Searcher’s, nut job JOY Wray, whom Pipitone is referring to is on the defense witness list. It seems the Defense has taken a big risk w/Laura Buchanan, another nutjob that is discredited & being investigated for tampering. JOY Wray is the nut that did the “Jib Jab Halloween Video that was released to in this DOC DUMP.”
T Lenamon said Baez has an “all or nothing defense strategy,” imo, saving KC’s life & a more conservative stragedy that Lenamon wanted would have served KC a lot better than the never ending “looking for someone to blame & thinking KC will walk out of the Court house a free woman, that, imo, will never happen.” I want KC to get her due but I continue to be “apprehensive of the lack of abilities that Baez has in wanting to lead this case,” WHAT are your thoughts? KC does deserve better representation than she has gotten w/Baez, imo.
Pipitone said that the trial would take two months, imo, vior dire will certainly take longer than the “One Week that Judge P said it would take.” I can’t imagine that it could be done in a week, LOL, Judge P turned Baez down for a “Jury Consultant saying Mason had enough experience picking a jury!” Geez, good luck w/that!
How bout I throw a monkey wrench into the speculation. At the 11th hour, they change their plea to Guilty by reason of Insanity. Then comes a whole new gaggle of experts (psychological) which would undoubtedly delay the trial date and I believe JP would have to go along with it. Casey could say she made up all those stories because she can’t remember what she did with or to Caylee. Three more years of legal wrangling while miss priss cools her heals in her private dorm. Maybe they will claim she has an undiagnosed case of Asperger’s syndrome which would explain the delusional world she lives in. I don’t think that anyone would dispute that Casey has an organic brain disorder. Her belief that she can beat the system is evident.
Casey didn’t live in the same world as her peers and imo overcompensated to gain acceptance. If you notice in a lot of the video’s and pictures she is the one behind not in front of her so called friends she partied with. It doesn’t seem that she had a relationship with men for more than two or three months (if that) before they figured that she was out there in space somewhere. I think behind the scenes, she garnered a fair amount of ridicule from those she thought were friends. So in a convoluted way, she contrived a way to gain attention to herself. The perfect murder. Didn’t count on Caylee being found.
I believe Terrence Lenamon had it right and may have pulled off a much more sophisticated defense. It is not often that an insanity defense works but in my opinion, that is the only chance she would have had. But nooooooo, the rookie attorney and Mason have something up their collective sleeves and they will all walk off into the sunset together. Fat chance but I thought I would throw it out there for chits and grins.
Whoops, the thing is, KC doesn’t fit the definition of “insanity,” she knew right from wrong & there was so much premeditation. That defense would have had to have been pursued in the beginning, but it’s too late now to be considered. There is no doubt that KC suffer’s from personality disorder’s, imo, more than one. The one I read most often associated with KC is “borderline personality & narcissitic.” joypath might know which is most appropriate. KC is clearly “delusional” in her expectations of her future, the RV & Christian Ministry were ridiculous.
Your right, the “insanity defense rarely ever works” but a “good diagnosis of KC’s disorder would explain alot about her behavior.” I really liked T Lenamon, imo, he would have explored every option for KC & this trial would have been over.
I too believe that KC NEVER thought Caylee would be found, neither did Baez but Baez did tell D Casey: “Don’t call 911, call me if you find the remains.” When Caylee was found, there was “no defense” for KC, the “reasonable doubt tour that the ANT’s worked hard on & were paid” was over, no more “reasonable doubt about Caylee sightings.” Many blogger’s think that D Casey/Hoover were searching for Caylee’s remains to plant evidence, imo, I thought they were looking for Caylee to “move her, take her somewhere & bury her so deep she would never be found.” It was a great day for Justice when little Caylee was found, it’s hard to believe it has been 2 yrs.
Sorry Whoops. My comments made no sense to anyone but me. As a matter of fact I wrote one really long one, but it’s not here so obviously I didn’t hit send. Maybe that’s a good thing. Warning to all during this festive season, don’t drink and blog!
I agree with your comment at 12:04 pm about an insanity defense. What else do they have? The psychologist, can’t think of his name, specializes in disassociation. How fiting. Other than Dr. Bock, their experts are on record, filed with the court, as having agreed to debunk any false evidence the state may present. That’s it so far. No commitment one way or the other. They can’t very well present reports that favor the “Ms. Anthony is innocent mantra” if she’s going to ultimately admit she “accidently” killed her baby and then disassociated yada, yada. What would that do to these experts credibility?
Stepping into this “insanity quagmire” with just enough experience to be borderline helpful, I hope. I agree that T Leamon was probably the best option available to the inmate at that time: she does NOT meet the M’Naghten/McNaughton rule as she demonstrably indicated a working knowledge of “right” vs “wrong” via her words and actions, personality disorders aside (nope, not going to venture a dx from a distance, that’s one slippery slope since the permutations of definition are SO close!) IIRC, the inmate has undergone a series of psychological tests and has spoken with psychologists provided by the penal system, additionally she has had the opportunity to “chat” with specialists introduced to her from the defense gang. IF and when any organic disease state is identified, any inmate is offered treatment, thus far, the defense gang has not made any profound announcements regarding such extenuating conditions yet reflecting back, great fanfare was proffered regarding the care and treatment of the aftermath of this inmate’s unfortunate fall, again by the defense gang and by her family.
BTW: development of “institutionialitis” does not render one eligible for a not guilty by insanity verdict either, the “insanity status” is the condition AT THE TIME of the commission of the crime in question.
I’m actually much better at physical autopsies that psychological ones but we do include the decedent’s behavioral health into the death categorization as needed.
Joypath your opinion is certainly worthy and appreciated. Interesting you pointed out an organic disease and the defendents recent unfortunate fall as she tripped on the chains around her ankles. Never heard of “institutionalitis”, but I bet it happens all the time. Glad to hear it’s not an accepted diagnosis in court.
Ah but, art tart, since most believe that Casey has a psychosis, the question would be whether that would interfere with her ability to know the difference between right and wrong. A psychosis is accepted by the courts in an insanity defense whereas a personality disorder (NPD) is not sufficient.
Cindy herself said that Casey was psychotic if I recall. So if Casey had a major psychotic event following her confrontation with Cindy, did she have control of her mind and at that point did she know she was committing an illegal act. Whether a person is insane in the eyes of the law is not a clinical diagnosis but a legal one to be determined by a jury.
I have a feeling that this is where Terrence Lenamon was going and the narcissistic side of not only Casey but Baez as well couldn’t accept that she could be crazy. Give me another definition of crazy other than when a mother kills her perfectly healthy 32 month old child.
joypath,
Ah, that pesky 1843 Mcnaughton rule.
In 1984, Congress passed, and President Ronald Reagan signed, the Comprehensive Crime Control Act. The federal insanity defense now requires the defendant to prove, by “clear and convincing evidence,” that “at the time of the commission of the acts constituting the offense, the defendant, as a result of a severe mental disease or defect, was unable to appreciate the nature and quality or the wrongfulness of his acts” (18 U.S.C. § 17). This is generally viewed as a return to the “knowing right from wrong” standard. The Act also contained the Insanity Defense Reform Act of 1984, 18 U.S.C. § 4241, which sets out sentencing and other provisions for dealing with offenders who are or have been suffering from a mental disease or defect.
http://www.forensic-psych.com/articles/artMcNaughtonRule.php
Interesting under this new act in Mass v Odgren this defense was used. Clearly John Odgren was severely mentally challenged though he had an IQ of 140. Long story short, Odgren was convicted of First Degree Murder and is serving life. To those who don’t know about this trial, John Odgren 16 yo stabbed and killed a boy he didn’t even know the name of. He was tried as an adult and sentenced as such. The jury verdict is under review asking the Judge to reduce the crime to Second Degree Murder giving him as a youthful offender a chance to rehabilitate.
Whoops, the only way KC’s personality disorder will help her out at trial will be the “Penalty Phase.” An expert at that time may describe KC’s characteristic’s such as self absorbed, the inabiltiy to care or feel empathy for someone else, etc. KC has all the characteristics of Narcississm, it is not a legal defense, no one has been successful trying the “insanity defense this late into the trial, & the Expert’s that contribute on the case all have said “she doesn’t qualify for an insanity defense.”
A good example is Betty Broadrick. At the end of her trial, they described her as narcissistic, she saw herself as a Victim & still does. Betty B was denied Parole, I hope she is never released, very much like KC, cunning, liar, etc. UNTIL Betty B can take responsibility “for murdering her ex-husband & his wife while entering their home with a stolen key, she is going to rot in prison.” KC knew what she was doing, she hid the body, lied to LE/FBI/Detectives, & with held ALL information about Caylee until she was fully decomposed. She still HAS NOT “shared any truthful information, KC is sunk as far as a defense.
If there was a chance in hell of an insanity defense, Lyon’s would have explored it, after all, “she was trying to save KC’s life!” LOL! I have heard that until I could barf! Too, every so often the “Accidental Death theory” will surface, that too is a non issue. Lyon’s would have loved to have claimed that Caylee’s murder was an accident, that KC was confused & that caused her to “bump & grind at FUSHION while stealing from her friends & getting tattoos.” Sadly, KC is a self absorbed brat, seems to me too Cindy shouldn’t hurl insults at her daughter, they are two of a kind, both self absorbed, both liars, both have exaggerated ideas as “to their importance,” the list is endless.
OMG-Betty Broderick. What a nut.
IMO Casey is not insane. Just your everyday run of the mill murderer denying she killed Caylee. This girl will never admit she killed her daughter.
And amen, art tart.
Have a good day, all!
LindaNewYork, I saw Betty Broadrick on a show on ID not too long ago & all she could talk about was “herself, the victim in her mind.” She continues to talk about how she had to “shoot them because she feared for her life.” OUTRAGEOUS! The problem is there are many “minimal people with a multitude of issues that are functioning adults.”
LNY, IN SESSION isn’t on today, where to warch the hearing?
art tart,
Vinnie announced Friday that In Session will be off the air till January 3, 2011 to prepare for the upcoming season and he particularly mentioned the Casey Anthony Trial coming up in May.
Terrytsk, sorry I skipped over your comment. By the way joypath said “the “insanity status” is the condition AT THE TIME of the commission of the crime in question.” What I was trying to convey is that since there seems to be no coherent defense, I wouldn’t be surprised that they might change her plea to Not Guilty by reason of insanity. She can change her plea anytime before the guilt phase and even during the trial. joypath also said that she didn’t meet the McNaughton rule, but if they could come up with an expert that says that she was not of sound mind “AT THE TIME of the commission of the crime in question”, that may be the only chance she has. That would mean that she would probably spend many years in a mental institution before ever being released, if ever.
The main gauge in determining insanity is did the person know right from wrong?
The gauge to determine that, is did the person try to cover up their crime?
A truly insane person will not see their act as wrong and will not try to hide their actions, they will not try to hide the body, will not lie to protect themselves.
Casey did things to hide her crime and prevent being found out.
She knew what she did was wrong, and that she would be punished.
She concealed the body, she did not report the death to anyone, she then lied to L.E. in effort to deflect their investigation in another direction, a missing child rather than a dead child.
All of this shows she knew right from wrong, and was aware she would be held accountable.
If they try to plea Temp, insanity then they will have to explain in great detail what appears to be premeditation, the P/C searches, the chloroform traces found in the trunk, being in possession of the duct tape.
They would also have to give an exact time of death, and the method of death, for instance, was Caylee murdered in a fit of rage moments after the fight with Cindy?
Or was it later?
Did she strangle Caylee to death, or was she duct taped and left to die?
Was chloroform used?
Was there time for her to “STOP” the action?
What were her actions in the moments before she murdered her child?
What were her actions in the moments after she killed her child?
Whoops, well POOP! I like IN SESSION, I guess I will have to try to catch it on WFTV.
judypc, as we have all discussed before, KC would “have to take some personal responsbility for murdering Caylee, even if she tried “insanity” or “accident.” Neither would likely happen as they would fail as you have pointed out in your comment.
Todays hearing will be a good one, Finnell will spar with Fugate, the OS Attorney. I just read his argument, it is a good one. Back in May Judge P said the witnesses would be on a Case by Case basis, NOW, it appears Finnell is going to have to argue WHY “all of the name’s should be withheld.”
judypc, I love the Sunshine Law from your State, but it cuts both ways, seems Finnell will have a difficult time with her argument. Will Judge P remind Finnell that this is “just another murder case” or will he “grant Finnell some of the names she wants withheld.” Finnell’s argument that her witnesses “could be harassed is just laughable” since it is the Defense PI J Lyon’s that is accused of “harassment” unless she is afraid “CA/GA will be the harasser’s.”
OMG! Just updated from WFTV!
The Defense said:
The defense says some of Casey’s relatives in Ohio and others, who have known her and her family since she was a child, don’t want to help her stay off death row if she’s convicted of murdering her daughter, Caylee Anthony, because they don’t want to be contacted or covered by the media.
http://www.wftv.com/news/26192574/detail.html
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WELL! That about sums up what the “Ohio relatives think of GA/CA/KC!” GA is a hot head, he shouldn’t have thrown his dad through the Plate Glass Window, seems there is BAD Behavior “unbecoming to the Anthony Clan which was predictable.” Just as I thought, seems maybe the Defense might think the Anthony’s will be the “harasser’s of their relatives.”
GEEEEEEEEEZ! The Anthony’s have made so many more victim’s in this case, I am assuming the relatives would too have to have attorney’s. Seems everyone else that knew the family has one for good reason!
As far as the insanity issue at the time of the murder of Caylee, how could the defense prove Casey was “insane” at that moment? In addition to evidence indicating she premeditated the murder of her child as Judypc pointed out, she also covered up the murder and made excuses about where her baby was for 31 days. She even begged her mother for one more day. For what reason, who knows?
Uploading the pic of the little girl with a teddy bear with a noose around it’s neck with the caption, “why do people kill people who kill people”, or whatever the exact phrase was, is also indicative Casey knew she could face the DP for murdering her child. Doesn’t that prove she knew it’s not okay to murder your child. There really are consequences for snuffing out the life of your helpless 34 month old offspring.
From WFTV article today.
“The defense says some of Casey’s relatives in Ohio and others, who have known her and her family since she was a child, don’t want to help her stay off death row if she’s convicted of murdering her daughter, Caylee Anthony, because they don’t want to be contacted or covered by the media.”
Thank you whoever wrote this article. How ridiculous to argue that all of those potential witnesses, who could mean the difference between life and death for a 25 yr old (she will be by then), because they don’t want to be contacted or covered by the media. LOL. Ludicrous!
Again with the attempt to go with not guilty by reason of insanity, the specifics of the death would be presented under oath by the perp. That would leave the inmate eligible to cross examination regarding her action AFTER the murder, ostensibly when she was NOT insane. Nope, not a good position for this particular inmate to be in, “under oath and expected to be truthful, so help me God”! But that’s just my itsy bitsy opinion as an outsider who shakes at the thought of even slightly slipping up under oath!
http://www.wftv.com/video/26194843/index.html hearing
Art:
imo Ms.Finnell can not claim all witnesses are at risk, if there is one or two that have concerns then she should present them and their reasons to the court.
Her argument that it may have an impact as well on the guilt phase of the trial is a wide reach, if a witness is going to be involved with both phases of the trial such as we assume Cindy, George, Lee will be then her point is moot as their names will already be a part of the trial docket.
I believe she is having a hard time convincing anyone to come forward period, people do not want their name mixed in with this family, and they have nothing to offer that would be worth becoming involved.
Casey was after all a child of 3 when last she was known to many of the people back in Ohio, and we also my assume that any pressure or abuse these people have faced thus far has not been from media or the public but from the defense & family.
To say someone would stand by and allow someone to face death simply because they do not wish to be contacted by the media is not believable.
YIKES!!!!! Did Casey look rode hard and put away wet today or what?
To me it is more believable that people do not want to face the wrath and abuse they would receive from the Anthony clan than any perceived hardships from the media.
I do not think they can find many, if any, that has much good to say about this clan.
Afternoon friends, gosh, everybody has made good points.
Ina, thanks for the link, I haven’t watched the hearing yet, I am going to pour myself a glass of wine & sit back & see what’s up.
terrytsk, wasn’t that a bazar statement about the Anthony family? I am surprised that the Defense would be so “forthcoming!” The MEDIA can be relentless, why would they need the grief? You are too correct, the Defense Team would not know what frame of mind KC was in when Caylee was murdered, & as joypath pointed out, KC would have to testify.
joypath, EXACTLY! To try to use “accident” or “insanity” KC would have to testify & that is not going to happen imo, geeeeeeeeeeeeez louise, she wouldn’t survive a “cross examination w/Ashton,” of course she could act like she did in the “jail videos.” If I were the defense, I would start working daily trying to make KC look remorseful, less preoccupied with primping, & flirting/smiling/laughing with the Defense Team.
judypc, imol I think that it is plausible that GA’s family “doesn’t want the drama surrounding this case created by GA/CA.” I think it may too be plausible that “they may believe KC will be convicted by the evidence, that they are not needed!” Personally, I wouldn’t want the grief this family hurls & as T Miller said, “anybody that is associated with the Anthony’s gets body slammed.”
It would seem more plausible that the Ohio Kin doesn’t want to “compound the miseries of the entire Anthony Family,” I don’t think if this were my family, I would want to make the situation harder for CA/GA, the OHIO Kin would be there to “throw GA/CA under the bus hence making “KC such a miserable snot.”
Seems Dr. Lee ISN’T WORKING FOR ORANGES! DR. LEE TOLD ASHTONL: “SHOW ME THE MONEY!”
Quoted from Sproket at Trials & Tribulation, always a good read imo.
Jeff Ashton had a few issues, but indicated he’d be more than willing to meet at 5 PM to take care of them. He did mention that Dr. Henry Lee, the defense trace evidence expert refuses to be deposed by the State until he gets his money from the JAC. Judge Perry mentioned that he thought Lee might not testify at the trial. All Baez could say was that he would take care of it! (Like he takes care of everything else?) It would seem that Dr. Lee, who, according to a statement way back when said he was working pro-bono, is holding his participation in the case hostage for his money, not a crate of oranges as mentioned at the original JAC hearing by Cheney Mason.
Sproket also reported that Baez has UNTIL Dec. 23rd to DECIDE about the MOTION on Kronk even though Baez whined he had until the 31st!
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2010/12/casey-back-in-court-judge-reserves.html
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jmo, Finnell complaining about witnesses being harassed by the MEDIA didn’t make a DAMN BIT OF DIFFERENCE to the “Ringmaster & his Circus, even making National Media Tours throwing Kronk Under the Bus! Parading Jill Kerley, CONVICTED FELON & EX-WIFE of Kronk in the MEDIA trying to discredit KRONK! NOW the IDIOT Baez doesn’t even know if they will pursue Kronk? UHHHHHH, it’s ABOUT Brandon Snow being harassed by J Lyon’s! It’s about J Kerley being a convicted felon BUT Finnell thinks her witnesses have MORE rights than Roy Kronk?
I am OUTRAGED about this, I hope IF Baez CHOOSES NOT to pursue Kronk, in which he really doesn’t have any crediible witnesses, I hope there is some recourse KRONK & Mr. Evans can take against Baez! LOL! The Defense put Mr. Evans on their “witness list so Mr. Evan’s would have to stop representing Kronk but Mr. Evans vowed to fight that bull chit in Court. I don’t know if the Defense is still pursuing that game, Finnell needs to get up to speed on WHAT REAL HARASSMENT has been hurled by not only Baez, but also by LK Baden & A Lyon’s spewed this garbage on the TODAY SHOW while promoting their New Books! There “otta be a law!”
“Your Honor, can we at least not have the cameras on her as she writes notes?”…And the award for a Grandstanding Moment goes to….Jose Baez !!
And Casey writes likes she’s a screen writer, pages just a flying, handing baez his lines. Man-o-Man I would love to see those notes, cause the looks from Baez at times are pure amazement/wonder…Casey must remember what George told her, “Your the Boss”, as she hands out her orders…lol
Doug, your right, it would look like Baez would have been paying attention to Finnell’s argument, but the moron was writing notes with “his girl!” LOL!
OK, without even reading any of the comments yet:
Not for nothing, but, even someone who has money could possibly not afford Henry Lee. It was awfully presumptious of Jose to go ahead and seek his expertise for a client who had no job, no money to pay for these types of experts. Looks like he assumed more money would be coming his way via the sale of some more “dead baby photos and memoribilia”.
I guess pro-bono and working for crates of oranges aren’t what they seem anymore. LOL!
OK now I will read everyone’s comments, watch the hearing and read around!
LindaNewYork, Bill Sheaffer said Baez had plenty of money to pay expert’s, $325,000.00 buys a lot of defense, it buys a lot of expensive expert’s, KC didn’t get that Defense for her money, she got Baez & his tired failed MOTIONS & lack of experience! OUTRAGEOUS that Baez chose to pay himself INSTEAD of “paying Dr. Lee if that is who he wanted to use & more importantly, if Dr. Lee would have been beneficial to KC’s defense.”
WS has a good thread on Dr. Lee, it seems Dr. Lee wants to be paid $ 8,000.00 for 3 days work! Baez HAD more than enough to pay Dr. Lee but Baez paid himself. Will Dr. Lee leave the case? Baez was responsible for paying “travel as part of his overhead as Judge P has already pointed out when Finnell wanted to be paid.”
I agree, it was “presumptious of Baez to hire Dr. Lee, but then Baez, KC, the Anthony’s ALL have the mentality that they are “owed, or at least the Fla. Taxpayer’s will pick up the bill!
imo, Judge P is growing tired of Baez’s incompetence.
LOL! It seems the commenters and blog owner on “certain” blog think everyone is covering something up EXCEPT Casey Anthony and the Anthony family. And always knocking the blogs who think it is the Anthony’s and the inmate who are covering up! Very amusing bunch. And they think all the other bloggers are simply ridiculous. Always a very funny and amusing read. Always.
Now, this begs the question?
If the state is unable to depose Dr.Lee can Jose’ still call him as a witness?
Remember Jose said “Dr Lee was going to send the state to school” beginning to look like a big ol rouse.
And if Dr.Lee is smoke & mirrors, how many more just look good on paper?
I hope everyone watched the eclipse, OMG it was amazing!!!
Hi judy and art.
No, I missed the eclipse. Pretty much got in bed after reading around at hinky meter just a bit.
I’m wondering if Jose thought just the “Henry Lee name” would cast doubt, not his “expertise”. Now what exactly was that $8,000 charge for?? Maybe it was for school for the state! LOL!
judypc, IF the STATE is unable to depose Dr. Lee, he cannot be called as an expert or witness. Besides, WHO would pay Dr. Lee’s air fare? We have all watched the Anthony’s LIE, but we can’t testify as witnesses that they are “liar’s, even if they are!” LOL!
Apparently Dr. Lee is charging the JAC for every hour of his time since he left Conn. in July on that trip to Orlando, probably the time in the air, all the time in Orlando, etc. as that is a lot of money for 3days work.
LindaNewYork, the other blog in which you are referring doesn’t participate at blogs like Hinky when Valhall would ask “WHERE is the evidence or references to back those opinions.” As we know, there aren’t any, that’s why there are so few of them. They can “learn as they watch the Trial, they will learn what most other’s already know & understand.”
Art Tart, if the law was ammended because of this case, that would explain why the dearly departed “experts” (Lyons…etc…) “donated” money to Casey’s defense. It’s not so much a “donation” as it’s a “refund of retainer”, which allowed them to leave the case (before the law took effect).
An amendment went into effect this month in Florida that bans judges from appointing attorneys where an indigent client has already retained and paid a lawyer. Experts said the idea is to prevent a private attorney from pulling out once a client’s money runs out.
Criminal defense attorney Jeff Deen said Baez may have a tough time juggling this high-profile case along with his personal money challenges. Deen said Baez would not be allowed to withdraw as Anthony’s lead attorney.
“He’s in now. I would be shocked if Judge Perry let anyone withdraw now,” said Deen.
Deen said the new law, enacted this year by the Florida legislature, was enacted in response to the Anthony case.
http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/24442681/detail.html
Jun 1, 2010 … Date: June 1, 2010. RE: Changes to Indigency for Costs for Criminal Cases … F.S. An attorney representing an indigent for costs client must comply with the … A court may not appoint an attorney based upon a finding of indigency for costs where the person has privately retained and paid counsel. …
http://www.justiceadmin.org/court_app_counsel/contracts/IFC%20memo%202010%20statutory%20changes.pdf
George Anthony Responds To Allegations
Statement Comes After Friday’s Release Of Documents
POSTED: 3:12 pm EST December 21, 2010
UPDATED: 3:32 pm EST December 21, 2010
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Comments (17)ORLANDO, Fla. — The father of Casey Anthony has responded to allegations made in a release of documents on Friday.
In the documents, a woman known as both River Cruz and Krystal Holloway said she became a close confidante of George Anthony.
The documents indicated that Cruz told investigators that George Anthony told her he believed Casey Anthony killed his granddaughter, Caylee Anthony.
A statement released by George Anthony’s attorneys said, “At no time did George Anthony become ‘more than friends’ with Holloway/Cruz.”
The statement also said, “At no time did George Anthony grab Casey Anthony around the neck or throw her against a wall,” and, “At no time did George Anthony confide any of his opinions or thoughts to Holloway/Cruz regarding this case.”
AND at NO TIME has George Anthony been honest about who killed his granddaughter.
Just what DID you smell in that car, George?
How many times does George need to make these statements?
This makes about FOUR guess he figures if he keeps saying it someone will believe.
what a sleazebag.
Doug, you make a very good point, LK Baden & A Lyon’s were both PRO BONO although LK Baden did have a contract with KC, it was never disclosed to us but they were free to leave. I bet they laugh their butt’s off while watching the hearings. I can’t understand WHY Mason doesn’t leave, it could possibly be because Mason was the one that got Finnell involved, she may have just said she would “only do the Penalty Phase.” Baez has to be supervised, Finnell may not have to “deal with the moron much since he has NEVER done a “penalty phase” in a DP Case before.
The date was approaching when this law was amended because of the SCAM KC/Baez pulled with the monies in her case, I was hoping that Baez would carry his sorry butt but I have to keep reminding myself that he, like KC, has overestimated his talents & intelligence. LOL! The date passed, & now KC & the Ringmaster or stuck together until the verdict is delivered.
Whoops, thanks for sharing links, I had read WESH’s, I really had HOPED Baez would DO THE RIGHT THING FOR KC & allow another attorney to take over, there was a period before it became effective he could have left but he didn’t. I have not read the other link, thanks.
I read today that some blogger’s think, if ther is a MOVIE on this case, that PEE WEE Herman should play Baez. ROFLMAO! How appropriate!
LindaNewYork, LOL! I was thinking, tomorrow willl CA send an email “claiming that she & D Casey never really had sex, “they were just rubbing on each other in front of GA & Hoover at the Anthony Home & then again the night CSI was sifting for Caylee’s little bones, Hoover & D Casey joined CA/GA at the Ritz w/Baez/Mallory/Lee. Hoover said it was embarassing, the rubbing of hands on each other & CA resting her hand on D Casey’s knee IN FRONT OF GA, then CA/DC took a walk. Remember that from the HOOVER interview/depo? OMG! Couldn’t you throw up? It is of NO surprise NO ONE living in the Anthony home thinks much of GA. WHO CARES what that pack of “griftor’s do or who they do it with!” We have to be CONCERNED about what “they do to innocent people that have had nothing to do with this case.”
judypc, I agree, but WHO gives a rat’s butt who GA did anything with! I don’t know about River/Krystal & GA, but I would be “willing to bet there was something, there will be some type of evidence that GA did visit at her home I would think, imo, the cell records could also verify part of her story.” Do you think River will be part of the case? I don’t think she will be a part as it would seem “testifying to something someone said is hearsay,” I do think GA needed a friend, CA is as warm as ice, GA is every bit the drama king as KC/CA are the Queens. River probably needs to lawyer up & keep her mouth closed.
WHO is going to replace L K Baden? What’s up with Dr. Lee?
Defense wants Casey Anthony’s sexual history excluded from trial:
Casey Anthony defense attorneys filed a series of motions late today designed to keep statements and evidence they claim may prejudice their client out of the upcoming first-degree murder trial.
Among the statements they want blocked from entering the trial: Casey Anthony’s sexual relations with Anthony Lazzaro and Anthony Rusciano.
One motion filed today complains about detectives who interviewed Rusciano “regarding his alleged sexual relationship” with Casey Anthony.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-casey-anthony-late-motions-20101221,0,5940939.story
THE DEFENSE FILED A SERIES OF MOTIONS TO KEEP KC’S SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS OUT OF THE TRIAL! (good luck with that!)
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Baez & Casey Anthony defense attorneys filed a series of motions late today designed to keep statements and evidence they claim may prejudice their client out of the upcoming first-degree murder trial.
Among the statements they want blocked from entering the trial: Casey Anthony’s sexual relations with Anthony Lazzaro and Anthony Rusciano.
One motion filed today complains about detectives who interviewed Rusciano “regarding his alleged sexual relationship” with Casey Anthony.
To continue reading the article:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-casey-anthony-late-motions-20101221,0,5940939.story
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jmo, the STATE will fight this, they should, KC WANTED to “lay up with men, any man, she wanted ANYTHING but to be a mother & parent to Caylee,” that lifestyle, imo, DIDN’T INCLUDE CAYLEE. KC’s sexual encournters, bumping & grinding at FUSION, the “anything but clothes party,” it seems to me that KC’s life was fueled by “sex,” they are crazy to think they can prevent a jury from “seeing the woman KC was!” imo, it’s a BIG part of this case, KC’s misguided ideas about sex, even creating drama about a second pregnacy, always looking for man to take her away from her problems, I just don’t see how this will fly.
What does everybody else think, do they have a chance in hell?
Whoops! Sorry, I guess I was typing as your were posting! Great minds think alike! That Defense Team is always entertaining, seems Mason filed these motions, LOL. Judge P gave Baez until tomorrow to get that paperwork on Dr. Lee filed. He wants ALL the expenses & accounting of what they were for. I was thinking that maybe Baez had told Dr. Lee that all of KC’s money was gone, but as soon as he got KC “declared indigent, Dr. Lee could bill for services.” jmo, someone told Dr. Lee “he could bill for services, that is what he did!” Probably just another screw up of Baez’s, he misrepresented the facts. (I am just speculating) I can’t imagine
That Hearing on these Motions will be “fireworks!” I guess the Defense has to file these MOTIONS but imo, surely they really can’t believe that KC’s behavior can be kept out of the trial, she LIED to everyone!
Sproket at Trial/Tribulations weighs in on the new motions.
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/
It seems like Baez is spending his time dreaming up new motions to file instead of paying attention to what he needs to do to meet the time line by JP. Next well will see a motion to exclude all inculpatory evidence that the media has reported. The more attention they pay to the penalty phase just makes her look that much more guilty. Seems like they know they are going to get a guilty verdict and are skipping over the trial prep and preparing for penalty phase. I think that this is ultimately going to end up in a mistrial. That will give Baez and Mason a weak victory and then they will be in the wind and drop Casey like a hot rock.
off-topic question-Do you think Michael Vick should be able to own a dog?Hasn’t he paid his dues to society or would that be like letting a pedophile adopt a child.
I have a feeling most, or all, of Foghorn’s motions filed today will result in a resounding denied, denied, denied and denied. Of course, I’m not educated in law. I’d love to hear in detail from Mr. Sheaffer his opinions on how the court may decide and the reasons why.
I understand the “too prejudicial to the defendant” to a point, but not really. Okay I agree, if an issue is totally unrelated to the case or charges involved, then why should the issue be brought up? I get that. I’m confused on how the judge decides it’s unrelated.
Brian Burner and the borrowed shovel. Seems related to me when it was days from when her baby “disappeared”.
Tim Miller and the mark an X where we should look and the Anthony family reaction/behavior sounds pertinent to me
Tony L. Her relationship, sexual or otherwise, is very pertinent. My god she told her friend, “waste, yada, yada. All they care about is Caylee. Give me Tony’s number”.
Anthony R. I’m not sure that I recall most of his involvement or his interview. This is the cop who was fired for denying he knew Casey, right? Or is this the guy who lived with JP Chatt and had let Amy sleep on his couch while she was waiting to move into the Anthony family home, which Cindy was giving to Casey because her dad was having an affair? NO I think that’s Ricardo!!
The knife. What’s the deal with the knife Cindy said she had found in the car, washed and returned to her special knife box, which was the box under the other box, found on Cindy’s counter. If it’s unrelated, why does the DT care? Smoke and mirrors, I guess. Inundate them with minor, irrelevant material and they’ll miss the important stuff. Ha!! I think the SA and LE are too well trained, educated and experienced to be fooled.
I would say Casey needed the knife to cut the Super strong duct tape.
The sex history…She was out hip-hopping from bed to bed while Caylee was missing, she didn’t report her missing and was not looking for the “Snot Nosed Brat” and Caylee was a drag on her sex party lifestyle…It matters.
Her lies…She lies all the time, she lied to the Cops, Media, Family, made up stories and people…It matters.
Perhaps Baez is working on a book also…1001 Ways to File the Same Motion, by Jose Baez.
Goodmorning all!
Well I am not surprised they would want that info kept out of court. Nothing new. Defense attorneys always try to suppress stuff like that. IMO I don’t think her having sex with Rusciano or anyone else before Casey killed Caylee is relevant. I think what IS relevant is what she was doing, and what she said to family and friends, during the time she says the “Nanny” “took/kidnapped” Caylee. Like getting a tattoo, partying at Fusian, hanging at her boyfriends, etc.
Morning friends,
The “most outrageous MOTION’ Mason filed imo was the statement that wanted to prevent from coming into Court is the one that GA said KC was a LIAR!
Valhall wrote an article this morning on the latest news:
“THE DEFENSE FILES MOTIONS TO ELIMINATE LIES & LAYS”
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/12/22/caylee-anthony-case-defense-attempts-to-eliminate-lies-and-lays/
REMEMBER when Judge P said he would “hear all MOTIONS in 15 days?” Wonder what that means for the Xmas Holidays, I guess they would be heard in Jan. It would seem that both the Defense/State need to have his ruling because their “presentation in Court” will depend a lot on the ruling. I look forward to the STATE’s response.
imo, ANYTHING that happened during the 31 days dead/missing should be allowed in, EVEN GA saying his daughter was a LIAR! Isn’t that ironic that the Defense wants some of the “few honest statements GA told about KC” excluded?
I HOPE CA’s pleading on the internet, “MY CAYLEE IS MISSING, WHO IS WATCHING HER NOW” is allowed in. imo, this will terribly sad, & of course KC’s response:
“Everyone lives, everyone lies.” IF someone has not read this or needs ths link let me know & I will post if you are interested. CA was clearly “afraid/worried/frantic about Caylee’s well being,” her concern came to pass.
Hal Boedeker ask IF KC’S SEX LIFE IS IMPORTANT?
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/12/casey-anthony-does-her-sex-life-matter-to-case.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+entertainment%2Ftv%2Ftvguy+%28TV+Guy%29&utm_content=Twitter
Should read:
Everyone lives, everyone dies!
THANKS MR. SHEAFFER!
MR. SHEAFFER EXPLAINS THE MOTIONS! GREAT ANALYSIS!
http://www.wftv.com/video/26246223/index.html
The motion that had me roflmao was : “do not call Casey a liar & a thief”
Now that had me belly laughing.
Art could you please post the link, Thanks.
Hearing on the new motions is Jan 3
Link from Orlando Sentinel
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-defense-sanctions-20101222,0,7135166.story
Boy, things are sure perking up right before the holidays. There’s a one week reprieve and then it’s, “let go” as of Jan. 3rd. I guess it will be ongoing court time between now and May.
RE: the motions mentioned above: OH NO HE DINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GMAFB
TIME TO READ!
I have no legal training. I do have common sense. That does not help me to understand law. I do know that’s why attorneys have to have an undergrad degree (proving their commitment and intelligence level) before they are even accepted into law school. Then they spend another 2 years studying “law” and passing all mandatory courses before they’re even allowed to try to write the exam.
Jose Baez/s reputation precedes him. He was not ALLOWED to practice law until he proved himself. Apparently demonstrating good moral fiber, and all that rot, is mandatory in order to practice law in the state of Florida. I’ve heard his moral fiber was so lacking it took 8 years to correct, but eventually he did.
Hey, none of us are perfect. Seriously. IMO.
Cheney Mason wrote those recent motions. They were signed by him only. Baez did not sign them. I personally think that Foghorn is “schooling” Baez on every single loophole available to pull the wool over the courts eyes. Every single loophole, Foghorn is aware of and he is tutoring Baez. I just wonder when The Honorable Judge Perry is going to say, “That’s it you’ve gone too far this time, Mr. Foghorn Mason”.
Or maybe it will go on until May 2011
judypc, this is “Muzikman’s list of MOTIONS from WS.” He lives in Orlando & goes to the Court House to get copies of the Motions. This is the “entire list he has made,” the MOTION I think you want to read is 3rd or 4th down on KC’s lying.
http://www.docstoc.com/profile/muzikman
Jeff Ashton has filed a motion in court for sanctions to be filed against the defense team.
Art:
this is what I was asking about.
art tart said, on December 22, 2010 at 12:21 pm
Should read:
Everyone lives, everyone dies!
Assistant State Attorney Jeff Ashton argues the defense team is “in deliberate non-compliance with the court’s order as to certain of their listed experts and that sanctions to address the non-compliance are necessary.”
Ashton notes that the defense has said expert Dr. Henry Lee “will render opinions on…crime scene analysis, collection and preservation as well as recovery.”
But he says the defense team’s inability to summarize so-called “false claims” by crime scene investigators that Lee will rebut “is disingenuous and just plain laughable.”
“If Dr. Lee has no opinions that would impeach the testimony of any witness, then compliance with this court’s order would require a statement to that effect,” Ashton argued. “If he has relevant opinions, the court’s order requires that they be listed and the facts supporting them be clearly stated.”
Ashton also questions what opinions Dr. Werner Spitz would offer and whether they differ from those of Orange-Osceola Chief Medical Examiner Jan Garavaglia.
Likewise, Ashton questions what defense experts Kathy Reichs and William Rodriguez will state to “‘rebut false claims raised by the State’s forensic anthropologists,’ which cannot be known until they testify. Again a disingenuous and laughable claim.”
“The intent of the defense to defy the authority of this court to issue orders of discovery is crystal clear,” Ashton wrote.
Jose Baez, one of Casey Anthony’s defense lawyers and the attorney who has addressed the court on this issue, had no immediate comment on Ashton’s motion. Instead, Baez said the defense will file its response formally in court.
The Ashton motion also questions the testimony of DNA expert Richard Eikelenboom.
“Once again, it is impossible to determine which of the over thirty experts and a dozen crime scene technicians that the witness will allegedly rebut,” Ashton says. “The excuse provided is laughable and indicative of the deliberate attempt to flaunt the rules and intent of discovery and this court’s order.”
He adds that with all the witnesses mentioned in his motion “the information provided is in fact no information at all. It is impossible to depose and prepare for testimony to be provided by these witnesses with the information currently provided by the defense.”
Ashton noted that Florida rules of criminal procedure allow the court to prevent parties from calling witnesses or introducing certain evidence if they fail to follow discovery rules. He also cites rules stating an attorney can be subject to “contempt proceedings” and costs by violating discovery rules.
Ashton says the state will reserve its request for specific sanctions until a hearing is held, but noted that any sanction should enable the state to prepare for trial in a timely way; ensure that the defense will “refrain from future violations of discovery;” and protect Casey Anthony’s “right to a fair trial and an adequate defense.”
Ashton filed a separate response to the court order to provide information about certain expert witnesses for the prosecution. In the response, Ashton says 36 of the state’s 38 expert witnesses have submitted reports or co-signed reports about their testimony and opinions.
The remaining two who have not are Christine Ballard and David Bogart.
Ballard is a graduate student working for another expert in the case. Her expertise is forensic anthroplogy. She will testify about the creation of a “video superimposition involving a photograph of Caylee Anthony in life, a photograph of her skull and a photograph of the duct tape found with her skull,” the document states.
Bogart is an expert in radio frequency engineering. He will testify about the “interpretation of movement and usage patterns of the defendant’s mobile phone,” according to the response.
Bogart’s work is similar to that of another witness, and Ashton said a report will be provided when complete.
source
http://www.orlandosentinel.com
Doug Wollenburg said, on December 20, 2010 at 5:48 pm “Your Honor, can we at least not have the cameras on her as she writes notes?”…And the award for a Grandstanding Moment goes to….Jose Baez !!
And Casey writes likes she’s a screen writer, pages just a flying, handing baez his lines. Man-o-Man I would love to see those notes, cause the looks from Baez at times are pure amazement/wonder…Casey must remember what George told her, “Your the Boss”, as she hands out her orders…lol
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Doug, I think goof is nervous the cameras will pick up the games of x and o’s, hangman and dots that casey’s furiously engaging in during the hearings.
judypc, sorry, I misunderstood, here is a link that has the “letter from Cindy titled, “My Caylee is Gone.” Terribly heart wrenching, imo, CA clearly knew something was up with Caylee, she ask, “Who is watching her now?”
KC responded to CA’s myspace letter. Both at the link. The posts have been removed so “save it” as it was harder to locate this time. I too am going to save it, I wonder IF this will come in at trial? I remember this being a thread a year ago & most feel it will be admitted, especially KC’s response!
I was reading at WS today on the Attorney Thread, & “AZLawyer” responded to someone about “ineffective counsel” & it being used as an appeal & ”
AZLawyer responded: “Baez is minimally, minimally, competent.” She also pointed out that for this being used as an “appeal,” the Appeal Attorney would have to prove the “actions of Baez caused the outcome of the trial.” She too added, “in defense of Baez, he doesn’t have muchj to work with.”
imo, she is exactly right, the only thing I see that could have been done differently was that the Defense should have approached the STATE early on when T Lenamon was there, for a PLEA in “exchange for information from KC, how Caylee was murdered, the remains site, etc.” BUT! It would seem this decision was ultimately KC’s, she & Baez rolled the dice & Caylee was found. Neither, imo, anticipated this happening, so I can’t see where there will be an appeal for “ineffective counsel.” I could be wrong, no matter what, there will be an APPEAL in KC’s case if she gets LWOP I think.
judypc, OH YEA! The LINK:
http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/deleted-comments-from-cindy-casey-anthony-on-myspace/
judypc, sorry, here is the link!
http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/deleted-comments-from-cindy-casey-anthony-on-myspace/
No media has reported the judge’s recent second ruling on the expert witness requirements, but it is available for viewing on the ninth circuit Casey Anthony high profile case page, on the ‘Court Rulings’ link on the right.
Judge Perry said that the defense did not comply with his first ruling. Now we see that the document is available at the clerk’s office, along with the state’s request for sanctions.
Mr. Scheaffer, how long can lawyers play the ‘didn’t know, didn’t hear, was talking to collegues while the judge was speaking, the judge was not clear in his communications’ excuses?
Will Judge Perry, Jr. require the defense lawyers to take their actions seriously through sanctions, or will he allow the defense to continue on as they have been? Or is he waiting for January, at which time everything will be on his schedule?
(what happens if the lawyers are in court when he sets something on this case schedule? Does he expect that the lawyers will be on this case, and this case alone in the new year?)
Kleat, good to see you! Thanks for the SCOOP & the POOP on the moronic Baez! Damn time “Judge P took action against Baez, I was thinking today about how “defiant” Baez has acted & wondering how much longer Judge P would puit up with his bull chit!
Kleat, do you have a link so I could read the response? I have never gone to that website, do you have to log in or anything? TIA!
The Anthony’s are the only people on Earth who make Santa cry…
Doug, HA! HA! HA! LOL! They acted so crazy & hateful at thier Civil Depositions, they scared me!
GREAT NEWS! ROY KRONK IS CLEARED, THE DEFENSE IS NO LONGER GOING TO HARASS ROY KRONK!
The “deadline came & went for the Defense to file paperwork on pursuing ROY KRONK! THis is a great day for Roy Kronk, who has been the target of the Defense as someone to blame.
Mr. Sheaffer said that the “Defense tried to float a balloon & it didn’t succeed, it backfired!
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Hal Bodeker has a good article on ROY KRONK!
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/12/casey-anthony-roy-kronk-no-longer-a-suspect-in-case.html
Good morning and wishing everyone a Very Merry Christmas!
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That is good news, art tart. Soooo….I guess the defense is going to be to attack ALL forensic findings/experts and not SODDI? LOL!
OK, time to cook,cook,cook…Sauce (or “gravy” as my grandma use to call it), lotsa meatballs, pork….then sausage stuffing for tomorrow (and hubby making the turkey tomorrow!)
art tart — don’t be so sure re: Kronk ….. review the REPORT from Channel 9 —– not speculation, rather reportage.
art tart,
I think this the link that Kleat was referring to.
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/High-Profile-Cases/Anthony/orders&motions.shtml#Orders
MERRY CHRISTMAS FRIENDS!
Hal Boedeker w/Orlando Sentinel is reporting today that Baez is stating that the KRONK ISSUE IS NOT DEAD! WFTV reported the issue was dead yesterday. Hal Boedeker also reports that Baez’s distain for K Belich because she has consisently questioned “Baez’a competence & WHERE THE HELL THE MONEY WENT?” K Belich also ASK the defense questions they CAN’T or WON’T ANSWER due to incompetence, Mason acting like a loose cannon, unprofessional, or just another one of Baez’s secrets! Baez, LOL, is claiming that WFTV didn’t ask him BUT he doesn’t answer their questions anyway or doesn’t know the answers. LOL!
Hazaka, WFTV reported that the “deadline Judge P stated has past,” did you watch that hearing? I bet not. EVEN IF Baez were to successfully “get Judge P to listen to a NEW MOTION, (slow motion,) there is a slim chance that it would be successful. With Baez’s witnesses: Jill Kerley, CONVICTED FELON & losing her nursing license for writing scripts for drugs, ex wife with an axe to grind, she would have to “hold up under the cross examination to Ashton.” B Sheaffer said her “criminal past” could come into the trial IF the defense had been successful at pointing fingers at Kronk. Kronk may say he divorced her for her drug use & she was a drug addict. Although Jill Kerley is very sick, she is hardly a credible witness. Brandon Snow, Kronk’s son, is “now avoiding the Defense because they are harassing him & wanting to put words in his mouth!”
With the STATE asking for “sanctions against the Defense” & Judge P “saying that Baez has defied his order,” there will be sanctions against the Defense, I hope Judge P “punishes & embarasses the ridiculous defense, as Ashton said, “LAUGHABLE!”
It would seem the Defense would try to FIGURE OUT A STRATEGY to explain to the jury about WHO KC gave Caylee to for the 31 days. The Defense would have to prove this, they can’t. NO ONE drove KC’s car but KC, since KC WON’T testify because she is a “pathological liar,” the Defense will have to “LIE & EXPLAIN THIS during closing arguments,” imo, too little, too late, not believable.
Whoops, your a sweetheart. Thanks!
LindaNewYork, sounds delicious!
Happy and delicious holiday to all……………..
Just dropping by to wish everyone a Merry Christmas!
I don’t comment much but learn a lot from all you folks. MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE.
Your quote of “everyone lives, everyone dies” is one letter off………
it’s “everyone lies, everyone dies”!!
Here is a very close up screen snap of that MySpace entry
http://patrishka.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/casey-anthony-myspace-diary-of-days/
Happy Holla Days!
Merry Christmas Mr. Sheaffer and everyone!
Merry Christmas to ALL!
Good Morning
MERRY CHRISTMAS
http://tinyurl.com/5crqmr
Happy holidays, good tidings and peace to all!
Well the Anthony’s are being visited by the Ghosts of Casey’s Past and Present. And here’s hoping that they will be forever Haunted by the Ghost of Caylee’s Future that will never be.
Merry Christmas…HO HO HO, Ho Ho Ho, ho ho ho…
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CONVICTED FELON & losing her nursing license for writing scripts for drugs, ex wife with an axe to grind, she would have to “hold up under the cross examination to Ashton.” B Sheaffer said her “criminal past” could come into the trial IF the defense had been successful at pointing fingers at Kronk. Kronk may say he divorced her for her drug use & she was a drug addict. Although Jill Kerley is very sick, she is hardly a credible witness. Brandon Snow, Kronk’s son, is “now avoiding the Defense because they are harassing him & wanting to put words in his mouth!”
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I wonder what Kronk’s son thinks about his dad? Didn’t he say his father called him in mid-November telling him he was going to be on television because he knew where Caylee was and he was bringing her home or something to that nature?
Even if it’s true there’s no law that says you have to report a dead body that I know of, so why doesn’t Kronk just admit to it. Maybe if he did he wouldn’t seem so hinky.
But if you have 4 or more people can’t all be wrong. One person knows this guy tried to kidnap his former fiancee by locking her in a car and taping her up with duct tape, (not Jill Kerley either) So how could any attorney ignore this even if it was expunged? IMO, it’s worth looking into.
He can still be the hero, but just the hero with a criminal past who wanted the reward money. There were about 100 people out on Suburban August 11, 2008 who were all looking for Caylee, so he wasn’t alone so he shouldn’t be ashamed.
Any of those out there would have jumped at the chance of being the hero and making a little cash at the same time. As awful as this sounds, it’s true. Didn’t Nejame finally throw him a few dollars?
theJBmission ——
——————– yup —- Kronk did call his son and said that he would be “famous” ….etc., etc., etc.
I kind of wished they would have let Casey spend Christmas with her family.
JB, I agree with you. We are both on Cindy’s side in all this. Isn’t that right?
I don’t think Kronk’s exes were making all that stuff up. One is dying of cancer so why would she lie being on her death bed and all.
JB, let me know if you want me to mail some of the addys we snitched from YKW. We are having so much fun with them. I was up half the night trying some out and checking them in administration. Oh, we got the goods on them this time.
Merry Xmas jbmission,
JBM, Brandon Snow, thinks more of his dad apparently than he thinks of the Defense Team, Brandon Snow is “no longer cooperating with the investigator,” J Lyon’s, saying the “investigator was trying to put words in his mouth or twisting his words.” Jill Kerley can be ask about being a “convicted felon IF her testimony were allowed in, she was married to Kronk for 4 months, she too is another poor witness for the Defense along with Joy Wray, nut job, & Laura Buchanan, nut job being investigated for tampering.
The problem for the Defense & Roy Kronk is that it isn’t believable, imo, this too will blow up in the face of the DTeam if they try to use it!
For Roy Kronk to be involved:
KC would have had to GIVE Caylee to Roy Kronk! WHEN? WHERE? WHY?
Is Roy Kronk Zanny the Nanny?
KC would have had to give RK the keys to the Anthony Home so he could steal things, laundry hamper, winnie the pooh blanket etc.
KC would have had to give RK the keys to her car so he could murder Caylee, put her in a trash bag & then the laundry hamper, drive around with Caylee dead in the trunk!
THEN! RK would have to return KC’s car keys to her!
There were NO OTHER prints of anyone driving the car but KC. This is a ridiculous defense, it’s sad that for over two years this is the best Baez can do having $325,000.00 to hire a Qualified Attorney with experience, KC will get the ultimate verdict & she can thank Baez. Baez has missed the date that Judge P gave him for “filing a MOTION for a hearing so the evidence could be argued about allowing J Kerley’s testimony in.”
Baez is looking at Sanctions, long overdue imo, the first of Jan. 2011. imo, Baez/Mason need to get a viable/beliveable Defense for KC. It is “not believeable, imo, for the Defense to pin this on Kronk. Juries are made of people with common sense, this will be a “conservative jury as it is a DP Case, imo, they won’t buy it either.
Remember, KC won’t testify because she has told so many lies, so, the STORY of WHO KC gave Caylee will have to be told by “Baez or Mason, it won’t come in before then because they can’t testify for KC, but in closing arguments, they can tell a story or point fingers ONLY if they can back it up.
Remember when Garagos told that ridiculous story about “gangs or drug dealer’s murdered Lacy?” The jury didn’t buy it, Scott is sitting on Death Row where he belongs. When stories “don’t make sense to juries, that’s not reasonable doubt they convict.”
jbmission, M NeJames gave Roy Kronk $ 5,000.00 for finding Caylee’s remains. RK didn’t “QUALIFY for the Crime Stopper’s Money BECAUSE instead of “callinig crime stopper’s, he called 911″ & couldn’t receive their monies, he didn’t that.
If Cain had been doing his freakin job in August, this wouldn’t be a problem. At least they fired his sorry butt, but, imo, RK, former Bounty Hunter, was looking for Caylee just as many were in Orlando as the reward was high for awhile.
IF Baez had “anyone else to point fingers at, he too wouldn’t be interested in Kronk because it isn’t believeable.
The STATE has “vetted Roy Kronk, NeJames also vetted Roy Kronk giving him $ 5,000.00 & saying if it weren’t for RK, we wouldn’t have Caylee, & LE vetted Roy Kronk, all were satisfied.”
If Casey gets acquitted, JBMission is gonna take all the credit. There will be a big party in New Orleans. JB said that she is already got a good place to hide Casey away. I think it is in her wine cellar so she has to drink all the wine by June or July.
arkie, I thought you were going to help me make some comments with those email addys that we have. Time is running out.
I think Casey had done her time and they should just release her. I am going to New Orleans and help JB put the streamers up for Casey’s homecoming party. Cindy and George are not invited, orders from Casey. JB and Casey are penpals now.
Merry Christmas to you too Art tart,
I’m sorry Art tart, I thought I would try to have a civil discussion with you guys but it doesn’t look like that will be possible.
I think we’re being invaded by a few imposters. Arkie and Hattie Cat may be my friends but we don’t have the same perspective in the Anthony case which is fine. Something some other jealous bloggers don’t seem to understand.
Art tart, thanks for trying. I’ll come back another evening when the kids are asleep.
I think a couple of bloggers had too much eggnog. This is what happens to me because they are so jealous because I CAN have it both ways because I know how to treat people.
They should take notes. Maybe one day they’ll learn…but I doubt it.
Have a good evening Art Tart
quote: The STATE has “vetted Roy Kronk, NeJames also vetted Roy Kronk giving him $ 5,000.00 & saying if it weren’t for RK, we wouldn’t have Caylee, & LE vetted Roy Kronk, all were satisfied.
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Art tart,
That’s a scary thought..do you really think if it wasn’t for Kronk no one would have EVER found Caylee? Wow.
Isn’t this supposed to be a time of peace …. why have so many mean spiritied crazies appeared?
Morning thejbmission,
jbm. that was a quote from Mark NeJames & as to the reason he gave Kronk $5,000.00 to him. The $ 5,0000.00 was the amount that people raised for the Anthony’s to give to NeJames to represent them. I think it is plausible that if Caylee had not been found soon, she may have never been found. I agree, it is a scary thought, but it would seem another flooding of the area would have moved the little bones & spread them further. I guess we will never know the answer to that question, the Anthony’s weren’t helping in the investigation, they were just returning from an appearance on Larry King where they claimed there were Caylee sightings, something CA promoted from the begginning & KC wasn’t talking.
I read an interesting thought yesterday that IF ZG could sue KC in a “Civil Suit,” WHY couldn’t Roy Kronk “sue the Defense Team?” A Lyon’s & LK Baden stopped short of accusing Roy Kronk on National TV, Baez has stopped short of accusing Roy Kronk but later came back to cover his butt & say, “We think LE should have investigated him more.” BUT! The problem for Baez is that “many have investigated ROY KRONK providing information & alibis as to where he was & that information has been provided to the defense.” I wouldn’t be surprised if RK & his attorney Mr. Evan’s didn’t bring some type of suit against the DTeam once this is over, Valhall calls it “being Kronked,” meaning, when the DTeam goes after anyone to accuse them, just like KC wanted to implicated J Grund w/the Anthony support in the beginning of the case.
The DTeam interviewed Jill Kerley & instead of giving a copy to the State, they bdirectly released it to the public, Jill Kerley wasn’t “under oath,” the tape was released to discredit Roy Kronk by the Defense. Roy Kronk was “employable,” Jill Kerley is a “convicted felon” & if she were not sick, she might get a job doing something, it would not be working as a nurse. I would think her “criminal history” would prevent her from jobs she might prefer. The DTeam hasn’t even had a hearing/Motion to see IF Jill Kerley could be a witness to testify in KC’s case, WHY? Because they don’t have creditble sources & information, they just want to “raise reasonable doubt in the Court of public opinion but thus far, it has not succeeded with most, as B Sheaffer said, “it was a balloon the Defense floated that backfired.” Baez let Dec. 23rd pass, he didn’t file the MOTION by the date Judge P gave him as the “last day to file a MOTION to be heard!” WHY? Because again, it is another game played by Baez.
LOL thejbmission, you too will have to “ignore the trolls” just like we do. Who cares what they post? Most don’t here.
Just for the record I have made no comments on this blog. I do read here, but only comment on 2 blogs for the most part.
I have never, nor would I ever intentionally disrupt this blog. So, if any strange comments appear they are not from me. I had my name and e mail posted on a blog by the blog owner and I assume she is the one using it to make comments of a negative nature on several blogs. I have notified Craig, but wanted to apologize in advance as this person has been known to disrupt this blog in the past.
Thanks-
Arkie
To prove that I did not make those comments, you can email me here at…
f.bryant@live.com
Thanks-
Frankie Bryant
Craig, it is okay to leave my email showing because I have nothing to hide. Those people are trying to get even for me and a few others posting their private info at the baldaintbeautiful blog. We are allowed to trash people at our blog. TOS rules don’t mean a thing to us. TIA
Arkie, I knew it wasn’t you
Good morning Art tart,
I just read your comment and I agree with most, IF RK chooses, he could file a civil suit against the Defense but I’m not sure he’d fair well under deposition.
In my opinion which differs from yours and Valhail, I think the Defense had good cause to look at Kronk considering the circumstances.
1. He’s been accused of kidnapping a woman and duct taping her. (eXpunged, but accused)
2. He’s reported finding firearms and when LE arrived there isn’t any firearms to be found.
3. He has a history of being violent towards woman, not Jill Kerley.
4. Here’s a guy who finds her in August, calls LE, who can’t find her for all of the wrong reasons, mostly miscommunication because LE thought this area was cleared.
Reason #4 is the most valuable for the Defense. If the Defense believes in LE, doesn’t that seem odd that someone would find her in August and NOT in September, October or November?
Bill,
Thank you so much for blogging! As a curious Midwesterner, I have a random question to throw your way regarding Cindy Anthony’s deposition back in ’08. Can she be charged with perjury for lying about the chlorophyll Google search? Since, I think, ‘neck-braking’ preceded or followed said search by a matter of seconds.
Hazaka
About Kronks son saying Roy told him he would be famous, when he was brought in for his depo that statement was retracted.
Seems Roy did not tell him that after all.
His X wife had made a statement to that effect in regard to what Roy was suppose to have said to the son, but it is now proven not to be fact.
judypc ……. I hadn’t seen that the son retracted that statement re: Kronk telling him he would be famous. Others are still posting it.
Nothing to say except…. SNOW. And lots of it!
Oh, please. Roy Kronk did not kill Caylee. Her mother killed her. Just another wad of you know what the defense tried to throw against the wall that did not/would not/won’t stick. SODDI defense won’t fly. I find it utterly amusing that some find “suspicion” about everyone else, including LE and prosecution, but NOT Casey. Just like Cindy Anthony. Red flags about everyone and everything EXCEPT Casey. No, we should not suspect her. LOL!
LindaNY —- get a grip …. no one ….not even Baez said that Kronk killed Caylee….. just that there are some oddities with respecrt to him, his actions in the past ….. calm down and enjoy the snow.
Hazaka, hon, I have a grip and I am perfectly calm.
Don’t ya think there are some, ahem, “oddities” that Casey went about partying, smiling and having a good ole time, while her daughter was supposedly “kidnapped/taken’ by ‘the Nanny” and did not breathe a word to anyone that her small, helpless almost 3 year old girl, who she is supposed to love and protect and take care of is…gone?
So the”oddities” with respect to Casey and her actions during and after Caylee was gone/killed/kidnapped don’t mean anything but you and others find it “odd” that Roy Kronk liked to play Dungeons and Dragons and lied, and that therefore is reasonable doubt?
I find that very odd.
Reasonable doubt needs to be, well, reasonable. And there is NO doubt who the killer of Caylee is. If she is innocent, then prove innocence. Reasonable doubt is a bunch of BS especially with the defense team and you and others when it comes to Roy Kronk.
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BTW-Are you snowed in?
Linda —- I don’t equate what Casey did to Kronk —- each is separate, and if I choose to discuss my sense that Kronk has done some bizarre things in the past … it doesn’t negate what I think was peculiar with Casey — I can separate things. Again, and again, I have no idea what transpired exactly. Never said Casey “didn’t do it”…..
And….. kinda snowed in….. not as much here —- under FOOT …but other areas have up to 20 inches ….. we’re getting bad snow drifts …. but …. I’m in for today — no need to go out in this … my husband did go out and got amazing country snow pictures tho’. Temps will climb to the 40′s during the week so this stuff should be gone soon!
Hazaka, the thing is, you may seperate them but the whole reason Baez is trying to “implicate Kronk is to create reasonable doubt for KC.” It’s outrageous to me that Baez will “drag people through the mud” & cause them embarassment, his Investigator harass Brandon Sparks but you still find this acceptable? WHEN will the defense point finger’s at GA? He too is one of the last people that had access to Caylee, he is a hot head/loose cannon, he lies like his daughter, he had access to the Pontiac & the items at the crime scene that came from the house. THAT, imo, is a more believable scenario than Roy Kronk who didn’t know KC or have any access to her car, the items from the house, or any access to Caylee. Nothing i as KC clearlyn loathes both her parent’s. It’s not beneath the Defense, you may well see this played out before the case is tried. With the “entire Anthony Family known as liars, there are interviews, depositions, National Media appearances to document them as liars & the Grand Jury Testimony of where GA lied, KC could always “claim she was covering for GA.” This is a more believable to create “reasonable doubt” that someone that never knew the family. WHY do you think Finnel wants the Penalty Phase witnesses’ kept private? TO KEEP GA/CA from harassing them for testifying to their behavior! Hazaka, GA is of questionable character, he is “unable to work in LE, he probably has a felony from when he threw his father through a window, WILL YOU then sing a different tune? I bet you would! GA’s former brother in law & GA’s ex-wife have a lot to say about GA too, especially that GA is a “pathological liar” & about his behavior.
Baez won’t be smirking long after the verdict is delivered. JUST WAIT! KC, imo, will go on record as saying they had an “affair of sorts & that’s why she spent all day at his office.” The Secretary that “quit working for Baez because of KC will come into play,” Baerz is STUPID AGAIN if he doesn’t think KC will “throw him under the bus when she gets a new APPEAL Attorney,” especially for “mismanagement of her Trust Account,” the $ 325,000.00 didn’t buy KC an experienced defense, it got her Baez. You just wait, the last case he defended is claiming “ineffective counsel,” Baez will not “skate on this case,” it will continue to be a nightmare, one he richly deserves.
Hazaka, I thought I had deleted a part of a sentence. It should read: KC loathes her parent’s. sorry!
Last portion first …. if KC needs to appeal …. Baez can’t be it!!! Specialized attorneys practice appeals .. just like “death qualified attorney’s represent in death penalty cases ….. and no, I am not ignoring anyone or anything ….. I think most people, under examination “ain’t so great” ….. but …. since the beginning, Kronk gave me the creeps ….. that’s it.
Mr. Sheaffer, one year later, would you consider revisiting your comments regarding what a smart lawyer does when they are faced with criticisms, and to Jose Baez’s very smart move to do a survey, that gave him a sampling of public opinion/perception about himself.
In your video of Feb. 05, 2010, you talked about how a good lawyer might make use of such information and for example, take the criticisms and essentially work towards negating them. Your thoughts for example, might be re criticisms of the lawyers as ‘in it for media attention, making a reputation for themselves’ and remove themselves from the media spotlight, work towards the resolution of the case diligently. Your opinion implied that this would be best for the client by improving the lawyer’s public impression, at least not continuing the behaviours.
What do we see one year later? (Has Baez improved his image, taken this advice, and if not, has he improved his client’s position in public image, or was he in such a hard place with this client, that he had no chance but to work even harder with the media and advance unsupported highly scandaous public attacks, or charges against the state, the police, as we have not only seen in his interviews with media, but in the courtroom antics).
Great question for Mr. Scheaffer, Kleat.
I wonder what kind of impression Jose (and Cheney Mason) may have on the jury. Will they laugh off the prosecution’s case/evidence? And CAN they change their, as well as their clients image before May 2011? I think it is too late.
Hazaka,
I read a report just after his depo, I am thinking maybe the OS, but not sure at this moment so please excuse my brain fog, it was all about how yet another witness goes south for the defense.
At any rate the bulk of the story was Kronks son did not hold up.
And the story about the call was the main issue.
judypc, you are correct about Brandon Sparks. In addition, Brandon has complained that the PI was harassing him & trying to put words in his mouth, something that has been reported about Jeremy Lyon’s from other witnesses.
I don’t understand WHY something isn’t done about Jeremy Lyon’s methods, the objective is NOT LOSE possible witnesses, it is to get them to testify. He has offended Brandon Sparks, seems JL needs to be “called out by Baez.”
Of course Baez won’t do the appeal, there will be an attorney to do the appeal & DUMP on the Defense, question everything they’ve done, & imo, will “question what Baez did with KC’s Trust Account & ask for an explanation of where the money went. That, imo, will be a big problem for Baez.
frankie said, ——– r u serious?
Hazaka, the News Media has aleady reported that “GA was being investigated by the Defense.”
Frankie, the SODDI want fly for Kronk, there is no way that Kronk had access to Caylee, it’s ridiculous, not believeable. BUT! GA had the “same access to Caylee as well as the items at the crime scene & access to KC’s car as KC.” I wouldn’t be in the least surprised for the Defense to pull that on George.
GA is mentally fragile, he tried suicide, he can’t hold a job, the Defense could “unearth the negative statements if they haven’t already from Ohio of GA’s ex-wife & brother in law, GA threw his father through a window in his car dealership. imo, there may be a “felony against GA for this act as he can’t work in LE anymore.” OHIO family members are needed for the Penalty Phase, NOT to paint the Anthony’s as good parent’s, but to paint them as “sorry,” the root of KC’s problems.
The Anthony’s will be thrown under the bus, the Defense OWE the Anthony’s nothing, they work for KC.
The Jac filed an 80 page complaint today against the defense team and their P.I.
Said they are misusing and wasting public tax dollars.
Very serious Hazaka. All the defense has to do to save felon anthonys miserable hide is to create reasonable doubt. casey won’t hesitate to throw georgie under the proverbial bus and they could never make a case against george cause he didn’t do it. The anthonys are, IMO, scum with no morals or scruples. spindy would jump at a chance to save casey, even if george pays the price,
As a matter of fact, I can see either of them jumping up at trial in a “Perry Mason” moment saying “I did it, I’m guilty”. They are scum. period.
Frankie:
Some time back I laid out how easy it would be to put George front and center as the main suspect.
He in reality put himself at risk from the start.
By his own admissions he has, (1) placed himself as one of the last people to see Caylee alive.
(2)He had access to every item placed into evidence.
(3)He by his own admission bought the duct tape.
(4)He had access to the car.
(5)He has had abuse claims placed against him, physical, sexual, & emotional.
(6)He has financial problems, gambling problems.
(7)His supposed attempted suicide.
Honestly if I were the defense I would have no problem showing George as the SOD.
And we know Casey will not mind throwing him under the bus, and I suspect Cindy would be on board with that as well, much cheaper than divorce, and just think of the money to be made on movie deals and other deals.
FRG from Hinky Meter shared 39 pages of Jeremony Lyon’s Billing Records to the JAC. When you read the way he billed, such as “attempted to interview 2 witnesses for $80.00, team meetings, etc., seem too nebulous for the JAC. jmo, I wouldn’t think Judge P has a lot of patience left for Baez, if Baez doesn’t “man up & follow the rules of the JAC, he can pay J Lyon’s himself.”
AZLawyer at WS said that “thus far, Judge P has TRIED to make Baez do his job instead of punish him & KC be able to file on Appeal of “Ineffective Counsel, but if Judge P punished Baez with $$$$$ fines, that would not cause the end of KC’s case to turn out differently, $$$$$ would not be grounds for appeal. imo, something needs to be done with Baez, “rampant incompentence is only hurting his client, you would think he would be able to comprehend a Judge’s order, but to DEFY Judge P because of arrogance only exposes Baez to more criticism & SANCTIONS.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/68092096/20101228-JAC-Notice-of-Filing-Exhibits-C-and-D
Dave doesn’t need Bill Sheaffer anyway now that he & Bob Kealing are best friends. Bob Kealing has a strong distaste for Sheaffer and Belich for obvious reasons. Baez chooses to give his interviews and scoops to Bob Kealing and Dave.
Vicky …. who are you? And, what’s your point?
Ignore them Vicky. The omes here and at Hinky don’t hold a candle to Dave.
Happy News Years Eve hazaka,
Seems some trolls have shown up wreak havoc as opposed to discussing the case.
Baez/Mason have filed a lot of Motions wanting “evidence excluded from the trial.” I don’t know if they will be heard at the hearing on Monday or not, Monday there is supposed to be a Hearing on the Sanctions. I would think that the STATE would have to respond to the Defense Motions & that would take a week or so. We shall see.
Wishing everyone a Very Happy and Healthy New Year!
art tart — Happy New Year to you and all…. guess some hit the eggnog early!
I simply can’t wait to see Dave on tv again at the hearing on the 3rd. He is the best blogger on this case.
Dave is part of the case so he can therefore be discussed here. Mr Shaeffer respects Dave even though he doesn’t really need Bill anymore since Bob Kealing took Dave under his wing.
Happy New Year everyone.
Looks like Monday will be a barn burner in court.
So far the only evidence I see the judge granting the defense a green light on is the heart shaped sticker issue, & and maybe the video of her reaction in jail.
judypc, a “barn burner is putting it lightly!” LOL! I think the Defense will be successful on the MOTION about Tim Milller, his discussion with GA about KC putting an X on where to start looking for Caylee on a map, CA wouldn’t allow it but Tim can’t speculate if KC would have in fact marked the map. AZLawyer said this would be “hearsay,” witnesses can’t speculate.
I too think the knife may be thrown out as CA had washed it, then she gives it to LE but we can’t really be sure IF it is the SAME KNIFE that was in the car, she was less than honest about Caylee’s hair brush.
Judge P TO HEAR 22 MOTIONS! Jeeeeeeeeez Louise, I can’t imagine that Judge P can accomplish this in 4 hours! BUT! He can “get her done!”
http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/26332947/detail.html
LD Burdick Fires Back with RESPONSE to MOTION:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/68158671/Casey-Anthony-FL-Prosecution-fires-back-Dec-30-2010
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Brad Conway now has a new “high profile client,” but WESH ask him about what he thought was most interesting in 2010 in KC’s Case.
Conway responded: “After KC was declared indigent, you have to wonder where the money went.” You can bet if Conway has “problems with the money, CA/GA do also,” more & more scrutiny is being “focused on Baez & what was done with KC’s Trust Account except failed MOTIONS.”
Bill Sheaffer has pointed out several times that KC had “enough money to pay for her expert’s” but there is no accounting, YET! imo, as soon as the “verdict is handed down, Baez will find himself having to explain this to the APPEAL Attorney, we know most of the money went to Baez for Salary & more money to pay his “office overhead.” Baez will find himself under “attack of the ANT’S on their National Media Tour complaining about the money, imo, this might be the big story of 2011, eventually the bills paid from the Trust Account will be made public.
Yikes — some haven’t given “it” up yet ———- still celebrating with “adult beverages”!
TROLLS: The good news to those of us that enjoy discussing the case is that Craig will come through & delete your trash. NOBODY is interested in your trash, we are ONLY interested in discussing the case.
Hazaka, joining you for an adult beverage, hopefully Craig will check in today.
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!
Miss high & mighty came off her mountain to talk to us simple folk.
oooh………… and we’re starting of the new year unpleasantly. Tsk, tsk.
Craig that was not me posting here yesterday. Somebody stole my gravatar. I have reported it to the FBI.
Naturally, the defense, like all defense attorney’s who cannot prove their client is actually “innocent” will try to suppress anything and everything that makes their client look bad. LOL! Nothing new!
What is upsetting is, just like the OJ trial, the D attorney’s just want to have a “win” even if it means the guilty, murdering client walks…
No worries, though. Unlike the OJ trial Casey will be convicted. No matter which sentence she gets, she will never see the light of day.
Hi art tart, judy, Hazaka…Happy New Year.
Looks like the trolls who disrupt the blogs will be around in the New Year too.
To the bald aint beautiful crowd-
STOP CRAPPING ON THIS BLOG. KEEP YOUR DUNG ON YOUR OWN PIG STY OF A BLOG. THESE PEOPLE DISCUSS THE CAYLEE CASE. YOU DISGUST EVERYONE ELSE.
Evening LindaNewYork, Hazaka, & judypc,
LindaNewYork, Bill Sheaffer said the Defense is just “doing their job, no big deal,” but I agree some of it is irksome & seems sillly. imo, Baez trying to get the Tattoo thrown out is ridiculous, KC said in her interview with LE that “she was searching for Caylee during the 31 days dead/missing when in fact she was bumping & grinding, stealing checks from Amy & cleaning up after Tony L & his roomate. That is the least of it. imo, LE/STATE have such a “tight timeline” established by friends/witnesses & cell pings that to try to “argue all the evidence that clearly show KC was “indifferent about Caylee will be too difficult. KC won’t testify, I can’t see any way that the Defense can untangle the mess KC made.
KC & Baez will have a hard time straightening out all the lies KC told LE/FBI, they are gonig to have a hard time with ALL KC’s friends testifyling as to “where KC said Caylee was during the 31 days/dead,” they will testify as to what they were told by KC & I can’t see any reason that the “defense will try to sell the Jury on the excuses about KC’s lies & behavior.” The Defense will not “dump the Imaginanny” story, too many people testifying about Zanny.
This case is going to be extremly hard for the Defense to “counter all the lies/behavior & they seem to be the biggest problem for the Defense,” problems they won’t be able to overcome, the expert’s imo, aren’t going to “sway the Jury in closing arguments.
Baez sure did list alot of TV stations, but he forgot one, ABC. But then again, ABC does pay Baez, so why bite the hand that feeds him (and his ego).
Lets see…
George doesn’t want Caylee referred to as “remains”…
Cindy doesn’t want Caylee referred to as dead, instead she’s “missing”…
The Defense doesn’t want Casey referred to as a “liar and/or thief”…
Or the fact that she partied like she had no child, while she says she was looking for said child…etc…etc…etc…Ad Nauseum.
What’s next, the State will have to refer to Casey as the “Innocent Virgin” or “The Dedicated Mother of a Missing Child”.
Lets all hope for Sanctions, cause if none are giving Bumbles and Fumbles will get even worse.
OOPS…given not giving…
To Craig Mazer: Any comments made here are not mine. The person is using my email addy and gravatar. You can see the IP# is not from Nova Scotia, Canada. I do not comment here for obvious reasons and will not be responsible for the content of anything said in those comments. The real SnoopySleuth.
To Craig Mazer: Any comments made here are not mine. The person is using my email addy and gravatar. You can see the IP# is not from Nova Scotia, Canada. I do not comment here for obvious reasons and will not be responsible for the content of anything said in those comments. When I troll I use other people’s email addresses and a proxy. The real SnoopySleuth.
Well from another point of view: perhaps one can be grateful that these motions were finally filed BEFORE the seating of a transplanted jury! Imagine how difficult as a jury member it might (MIGHT I said) be to remain totally unaffected/effected and impartial as one witnessed the defense attempt to sanitize everything and then factor into the equation the delay involved in moving the case! PFFT….”moving” these motions now is part of the process aka Baez et al’s “due diligence” and protecting the appeals mechanism but also, giving the world at large (snicker: not just Geraldo at large!) a peak into the Baez’s (shudder!!) mind and may be rotating game plan aka strategy du jour!
With a cleared desk (YIPPIE), open mind and carafe of coffee, I await 1:30 pm!
Doug, LOL, your comment is humorous but the fact is, it’s true, you hit the nail on the head. You are absolutely correct, seems “Baez & Mason want to “re-invent KC, instead of who she really is, a girl partying like a rock star or it was 1999, (forgot the words to the song.)
joypath, I agree, all these MOTIONS need to be addressed & decided. Of course if the STATE is successful, Baez will continue to file the same MOTION over & over. imo, the “sexual behavior of KC at the middle to the end of May until the 911 call are relevant” as most think they point to MOTIVE, Caylee had become a bigger problem for KC, the little snot head could just about answer all Cindy’s questions about what her mother did all day long & it certainly wasn’t a job or a nanny, KC’s life didn’t encompass Caylee, it seems it never did.”
Always a good feeling to get your desk cleaned off, I too am awaiting the fireworks. I am watching IN SESSION, oooooooooo, I love Will Jay, Tony L’s attorney, his comments are always fair & he is “easy on the eyes!” Tony L. will be a great witness for the STATE!
snoopyslueth, we don’t pay attention to the trolls, it seems they targeted you but we just ignore them. Happy New Years.
OMG! FINALLY! Judge P couldn’t be anymore “under impresed with Mason’s whining, constantly making Mason get on task, asking him direct questions!”
The SANCTIONS to be paid by BAEZ since he is the one that didn’t comply, PAYING all the Court Cost, paying the hours worked by the STATE, the paperwork, will be substancial & Baez has 6 days to produce everything!”
Mason’s “folksy mannerisms” aren’t impressing Judge P. Mason whining about blogger’s, they want privacy now, but they want to call News Conferences when they feel like, moron’s, nothing new there.
PRICELESS! Judge P “WARNING the Defense there are Lawyers in Civil Cases suing Criminal Defense Attorney’s for the JAC to recoop monies of the FLA. taxpayer’s.” Baez certainly wiped that stupid smirk off his face right after the hearing began. It is interesting that Judge P reminded the Defense of the Law on Expert’s that there is no “trial by ambush!” He reminded the Defense that there would be information written up that the Fla. Taxpayer’s PAID FOR, this was said to Baez when Judge P issued the “sanctions against Baez only!”
LD Burdick reminded Judge P that the flurry of MOTIONS that they were due at the end of November. Baez simply didn’t do them, Mason finally did them a month after due date, LD Burdick said filed basically after hours! It seems Mason wants to continue to whine about the bulk of the work BUT Baez WAS PAID & had 2 yrs. to do alot of this! He just didn’t do it, he wanted the taxpayer’s to pay for it, Good Luck With That!
Art Tart~~I am used to being a target of trolls. As Dave’s confident and partner they have attacked me and hacked me. I don’t comment here for obvious reasons (they ran me off last year)The real SnoopySleuth.
snoopyslueth, it seems some of the comments have been removed, they were ugly & one in particular might have mentioned your real name in which I thought was just invasive & spiteful.
You aren’t responsible for what “trollls do & it is childish to take their trash into other blogs,” as I said, “we just ignore them but it seems some show up here & want to talk about MD, good or bad, the regulars here ignore that too as it is not the subject of this blog nor do most of us care. The trolls will again get bored & leave, hopefully sooner rather than later. Don’t worry about them, I always enjoyed reading your comments, sometimes we just have a discussion totally ignoring the trolls, they hate it when we want engage, get bored, & leave.
Got lots to catch up on. Like what I see so far!
It seems Baez and Casey were made for each other.
I liked how the Judge reminded the defense of Mr. Ashton’s suggestion of a $500 Civil Fine the next time…Your Honor, please don’t forget to make the fine retroactive…
And when Mason & Baez came back from the sidebar, Baez gave the States table one long hateful look, a true “if looks could kill moment”…
Wouldn’t it be great if Baez ended up at least $300,000 in debt before the appeals are done…
And whats up with Mason ? He’s turning into Baez when he was going thru his motions. He was bumbling the papers, nothing was in order, he couldn’t find statements. It was almost like some drunken incompetent arranged his papers for him before court…
And I for one will take Mason up on his challenge to meet a blogger face to face in a room. Only one condition, No charges against me when I’m the only one who leaves the room…
Watching Part 1
I see Foghorn Leghorn, Pippylongstocking and Bozo the Clown!
For the love of G-d.
The defense agreed to reciprocal discovery. The State showed their experts and what they will be testifying to. What in the he!! makes them think they should not have done the same!
They sound like schoolboys making excuses for not having their homework in on time.
Ahhh, OK, I’m tired. Don’t think I will get to see the whole thing. But will finish Part .
Been spreading myself too thin since I got home…here, Hinky Meter, Bullstopper, Wesh, etc.!
Art Tart~~ I appreciate your support. Ever since Dave called Craig Mazer a sexual deviant I have not been welcome here.
29 weeks ago Marinade Dave on Open Forum
Not only that, Vicky, but that blog slut, heroesfanny, took it out of context and lied. Mazer doesn’t care what they do over there. If people want to lie, that’s what they do. Heroesfanny sits on her immoral ass, as far as I’m concerned. By the way, make it a point to contact WFTV about the pornography Craig allows on his site. What a hypocrite he is. My video was on mainstream Mexican TV. Would he show this on WFTV
Doug, I agree with your comment, this “episode of Baez’s is going to cost him plenty,” in addition, Baez is going to have to pay the cost of the attorney’s work to file the MOTIONS, I hope he is humilated but nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Baez just doesn’t get it. WHO gives a rat’s butt IF Mason has never had Sanctions in 45 years, he mumbles & remains confused, unable to hear, YEP! Dumb & Dumber, they are both idiot’s. imo.
I wanted to Barf when Dumber was in a HUFF about his MOTIONS being heard, Mason said “it was “ONLY fair to give the STATE 15 days to answer the MOTIONS.” THANK GOD LD Burdick AGAIN set the record straight for Judge P. stating the MOTIONS were DUE by Nov. 30, 2010. AGAIN another date ignored by the Defense, she said they were basically filed “after hours!” OUTRAGEOUS Incompetence!
If anyone wonders WHY A Lyon’s & LK Badick left this ridiculous Defense Team, they just need to watch the hearing today. Embarrassing! Unprofessional! Sanctions! Now Dumb is going to have to go back & BEG for reports, Good Luck with trying to get one out of Dr. Lee!
LindaNewYork, That incessant whining by Mason really got on my nerves. Judge P had to “get him back to the subject & on task several times.” Mason doesn’t grasp but at least 50% of this work should have already been done before KC was declared “indigent,” Baez didn’t do it, Mason needs to stop whining, he looks like an idiot & doesn’t get Baez has used him to help get all the work done, it was Mason “stupid again,” it’s his own fault, he’s been used by a Griftor & & his client.
I freaking rolled when Judge Perry looked right at Jose’ and told him about “There are I’m told Civil Lawyers in the state of Florida that love to SUE defenfense lawyers for not doing their job, They love to file for all the money paid out by the JAC”
I swear Jose looked ILL at that moment, I bet he had to go change his tidy whities after court today.
I think it finally dawned on him today his games had come back and bit him on the arse, and he will be paying for his actions long after Casey is on death row.
judypc, beside the Sanctions, I agree, that was the best part of the hearing. With Baez being warned about his “paperwork & the JAC,” seems Baez is going to have to be “accountable for the taxpayer’s money, Baez was warned NOT to go on fishing expeditions, he went fishing.” I loved it too when Judge P reminded Baez that the taxpayer’s paid for reports! LOL!
judypc, WHO will pay the expert’s for their time for writing these reports? It would seem Baez has become a real pain in the ass not only to Judge P & the STATE, but to those expert’s he will be using. IF he can’t get a report out of Dr. Lee, Dr. Lee won’t testify.
I agree too that long after this case is over, Baez will be digging himself out of the hole ONLY he has dug. My prediction has always been, IT’S ABOUT THE $$$$$. This time, all that JAC kicks back & refuses to pay, Baez will have to pay those fees too to whomever did the work.
What cracks me up is the one motion where he says LE was using the family as “agents” or something like that, on the 17th of July AFTER Casey retained Baez as an attorney. UH, ya know what? They were trying to find out where Caylee was! Not protect the rights of Casey.
And yes, how long did the two of them think they could play games? EVERYONE needs to follow the rules the court sets forth!
I did not make that comment.
Morning LindaNewYork, I just can’t understand why Baez “is acting defiant” since it doesn’t help his client, his lack of experience is glaring, & Mason’s inability to “stay focused, answer a direct question, & that incessant whining about the amount of discovery is embarassing & unprofessional. It makes me wonder how CM was able to work on other cases appearing so confused.
Trials & Tribulations did an excellent job of covering the hearing! It’s a good read.
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/
Art Tart: Thanks for the hearty laugh!!! Per extrapolated posts, blogs [post hearing] what happens to be a jarring revelation and certainly a common thread for the Defense……. Defense et al reads the BLOGS!
Now, mind you personally feel it is incumbent, prudent, not to mention test read theories vis vie general public. Hey they might learn a thing or two :>)
My next quandary- educate Cheney Mason on blog talk? First up LOL and Idiot!
Weak links and failure to launch defense tactics!
Mr. Sheaffer: Care to weigh in?
Hi everyone and Happy New Year!
I wasn’t blogging over the holidays so you can imagine my delight yesterday when I went online and lo and behold – - – what to my wondering eyes did appear? An entire hearing I hadn’t known about (Monday). Like an unexpected belated gift from Santa. And, as you know, what a hearing it was! I watched it all and have caught myself up on everything. Looks like, here we go, folks . . . full speed ahead to May!
There were many good moments during the hearing. My most favourite was JP scaring the b-jesus out of baez by telling him about the other attorneys who might want to talk to him later. He did it with such contentment on his face, don’t you think? And did you see that f-you twinkle in his eye as he was telling him? I loved it very much. I would like to encourage the Judge (and other professionals) to continue terrifying him whenever possible. It is fine entertainment. And his fear combined with all of his soiled laundry may be enough to send him running to a new profession. I like to think of him sitting in a cubicle in some Used Car Lot, twitching out and muttering Kathi Belich’s name under his breath while spinning in his office chair.
Art tart, you’re right about his expensive suits. I wonder if he’ll wear one of his fine French silk pocket pouffes to his meetings with the Appeals attorneys? Something tells me no.
Seriously though, the big question for me right now is, what the hell is going on with their absolute refusal to provide their experts opinions? Something is wrong with that picture. Could it be that their experts have NO opinions, or at least none that willl aid the defense? Cause that is really what this is starting to look like to me. What do you think?
Morning Kate & BEES KNEES!
What a hearing it was! BEES, Judge P FINALLY “called Baez out for his defiance & what is too funny is that Baez has to pay the STATE’s Attorney’s fees, all cost associated with the preparation for filing the MOTION! What IF the JAC hasn’t paid Dr. Lee yet, then Dr. Lee won’t write a report, then Dr. Lee WON’T be able to testify!
ALL those MOTIONS that Mason filed at zero hour right before Xmas were a month LATE! While I am glad that the Defense is going to have to pay all the cost, Judge P didn’t PUNISH them for defying yet another deadline. That was the first time that Baez really looked “worried,” having to ask the expert’s “to write reports makes Baez look like an idiot, Baez’s whole game was to make it harder on the STATE during depositions, & now Baez has to have those reports presented in 7 days!”
The BEST PART imo, the expert’s CAN NOT testify to anything NOT IN THE REPORTS to be provided to the STATE! OUTRAGEOUS BS with Dr. Lee thinking he can say “sloppy work,” not this time, Dr. Lee will have to address everything he is going to challenge. IF Dr. Lee testifys, he is going to work hard to get paid, he isn’t going to like it.
Kate, lol, I too thought it was hilarious about Mason whining about the BLOGS! The sad thing is, the Defense could really learn alot, especially that very few BELIEVE anything they try to float. The arrogance & ignorance of Mason is tiring & painful to watch, Judge P had to put that moron in his place too.
I swear you can’t make this stuff up. Too funny.
BEES KNEES, I think it is very possible that the expert report’s might be “light on differing opinions.” Baez has gone to a lot of trouble to keep from providing opinions, I too have read at WS where many think that there isn’t much substance to the opinions & that could be another reason for Baez’s defiance. I personally think he is just an idiot!
imo, this case will come down to the questions that the Defense can’t answer. The jury will NEVER excuse all KC’s lies & all that partying she did during the 31 days. The behavior was outrageous & KC’s lack of remorse or concern for Caylee is appalling. imo, if the jury can’t decide which Expert to believe, they will rely on the “timeline of KC during the 31 days, the tattoos, & the party photos.
Judge Perry just took Jose back to law school in today’s hearing.
Her defense team wanted to get a subpoena for items belonging to Joseph Jordan who was a volunteer for Texas EquuSearch , the search and recovery organization that helped search for Caylee. Anthony’s attorneys say Jordan is a blogger who had pictures on his website of the Caylee search area and talked about the case. The defense says it’s crucial to their case but they need a subpoena to get the information.
Judge Belvin Perry denied the motion without prejudice.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/010511-casey-anthony-hearing
judypc, do you have a count on how many defense motions have been denied or are there too many to count. lol
Oh, art tart, I know! WHY did JP let them slide on that one? An entire month. I’ve been agreeing with most of his decisions lately but that one is weird. I think when he lets things like that slide by he is giving them permission to continue their bad behaviour – - you know, maybe he’ll call them on it or maybe he won’t, so they’re just playing the odds.
It is appropriate that baez now has to PAY for it! And it is BEAUTIFUL that now if it’s not in the experts report, it’s not in the trial. I love it. About time. The thing is I believe that both baez and mason are slow (to be kind) and I’m not convinced they will behave any better. Guess well see. bozo at least is looking scared. mason may be too arrogant, or senile, to ever realize it. I’m kinda surprised the Bar doesn’t have some licensing restrictions or re-testing at a certain stage of life. Just the fact that he can’t hear is a big problem, no?
Whoops, the stupid thing is, “JWG” posts at Hinky & also writes some great articles on occasion posted the link to the WS Thread of the pictures Baez was whining about & the pictures were of Jay Blanchard Park! JEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ Louise!
Retired Judge Eaton was in the Court Room today leaving mid way through the hearing. I have read several comments that Judge Eaton is friends with Mason & it is assumed that Mason WHINED to Judge Eaton requesting he attend the hearing. The problem for Mason is that Retired Judge Eaton is not the same as CHIEF JUDGE PERRY! Apparently all that “embarassing whining Mason has done in the past has been tolerated, I wanted to scream when Mason could not even answer a simple question. Somebody needs to “CLUE Mason in that Baez simply didn’t do ANY work but Motions before he stupidly joined the circus for fun!” Maybe Retired Judge Eaton can explain to Mason WHY they are failing miserably OR Mason could just read the blogs!
Be careful what you wish for, the Circus was successful having Judge S removed, they need to MAN UP & SHUT UP, they got the Judge they deserve! The Defense woud REGRET the day they had Judge S removed. As Ashton said, the Defense doesn’t want to comply w/Judge P’s ruling, they want to do what they want!
BEES KNEES, imo, Judge P has had a gut full of the Defense & their inability to even follow the rules of the JAC, submitting for payment bills that are not acceptable & after ALL the hours of investigation granted to the Defense from the JAC, they continue to want more, just today, Judge P said NO MORE FISHING EXPEDITIONS! Judge P realized that ALL the hours he granted were used to harass TES Volunteers & to look for SOD, they won’t fool Judge P again.
Mason doesn’t know “…how many hours in a day or days in a week…I’ve put in 600 hours so far !…”
Ok, let me see if I can explain this in a way Mason can understand.
There’s 24 hours to the day, 7 days to the week and 600 hours is appox 1 month for every year Baez has been on this case and in a few more months it will be 4 years, which will be half the time it took Baez to be allowed to “practice” law.
After all Mason, what did you think would happen when you signed up to Team Casey as Baez’s para-legal/errand boy ? That you would “save the day”. And remember, it was you who said that the defense was making a circus out of this case. Yet you joined said circus, you stumble and fumble out of the little clown car with Baez (aka Bozo) the clown and then whine and complain when everyone laughs.
You must be one sad clown right about now.
Remember awhile back when Baez was so proud of himself (like there’s ever a moment that he’s not) because he color coded all his paperwork so he wouldn’t miss any dates and could reference things so fast, he even wanted the State and Judge/Court to think of using it…What happened ??
art tart,
I can only assume that Judge Eaton was so embarrassed for his friend Mason that he couldn’t stand to see his friend make an ass of himself any longer and left. It almost seemed that Mason was going to call him to testify to something and turned around when Judge Perry said, “I see that Judge Eaton is leaving”. After that Mason was completely off his game, not that he already wasn’t.
Doug, what a “cluster” this Defense is. Mason continues with the mentality that not only is his client special, he is too! That pissing & moaning drives me crazy, whining about paying their way to Oakridge! Well he should cuss the ringmaster that squandered all KC’s money!
LOL! You do need to explain to Mason about the 600 hours, one thing is for certain with Mason, he is “consistently off topic & confused.” Mason seems “hard headed & stuborn & those are his good qualities.
Whoops, I am flabergasted that Mason would ask Judge Eaton to attend the hearing as if he were “telling on Judge Perry for doing his job!” I agree, too funny when Retired Judge Eaton left the hearing & Judge P mentioned it! LOL!
It appears that the defense wants Joe jordon to be the new Roy Kronk.
It would be worth the time and effort, just to see the look on Casey, Mason and Baez’s face, IMO, for the State to file a motion at Casey demanding that she produce all pictures and writings that she had posted on different web sites and blogs along with all postings and pictures that she has deleted.
If the defense is making a stink about the pictures she kept, think what she deleted. I hope the State retrieved those pictures.
I know, I know, it would violate her rights under the fifth. Nevermind that the defense seems to want everyone else to waive those same rights for Casey.
Whoops:
Yikes I lost count a long time ago, it would be easier to list how many he had won lol.
Bloggers be careful, defense is hiding in the bushes waiting to pounce ROFLMAO!!
what a bunch of fluff heads.
LOL!
Well deserved sanctions!
“A lack of maturity, again a lack of experience and it just doesn’t speak well of him professionally,” Sheaffer said.
BINGO!
Now if only the check would bounce…
Doug, I agree with every word you said about mason. What an embarrassment! Can you believe he might have brought the retired Judge in to Perrys courtroom? Why? Another not-so-veiled threat to Judge Perry (like the ones he was making about involving the Federal Courts)? What does it say about him that he would do such a thing? NOTHING GOOD that is for sure. What a flipping obnoxious pair — baez and mason. The perfect team for a client such as casey. How do these embarrasments find each other?
Have you caught Mr. Sheaffer’s excellent analysis of the sanctions yet? I have to confess the man is so absolutely lovely to look at in this clip I found it a little distracting (heh heh heh . . . ) but once you get passed that, he is very wise. I’d better go watch it again.
http://www.wftv.com/video/26393038/index.html
Niecey just posted a good piece:
Jose Baez & His Unhealthy Blog Obsession & Determination To Railroad The Innocent
http://niecey456.wordpress.com/2011/01/06/jose-baez-his-unhealthy-blog-obsession-determination-to-railroad-the-innocent/#comment-29042
I have to admit that as I watched this unfold I wondered if Jokin Jose was trying to get some of his experts tossed out by the court.
For what ever reasons.
Honestly, I do not think the sanctions went far enough, he was beyond unprofessional.
He blatantly thumbed his nose at the rules of discovery, then took it far beyond that and thumbed his nose at the judge.
I will be very surprised after this trial if he is not brought before the board and suffers extreme sanctions at that time, possibly even having his license suspended for a period of time.
You simply do not act like this as an attorney, and why he expects the rules to be different for him is beyond me, his ego is way to massive for his experience, or lack thereof.
And I have to think this is why so many of the attorneys involved have walked.
For them to have their names tied into this massive Cluster (BLEEP) is something they would never want.
Yep, I agree, Judy. It’s tricky for the average person, such as myself or yourself, to really understand the massive ego that is baez. He’s part of the worst of 2010-11. An over-inflated, self-entitled, smug as sh-t with no reason to be, hack. This often happens with our, ’You Can Be Whatever You Want’ attitude that pervades our society with shows like You Can Dance, Sing, Be a Star . . . whatever . . . creating all these no-talent, fantasies soon to be crushed, dreamers. I wonder if there was a parent brainwashing him into believing he was born to be a star, was better, smarter, MORE SPECIAL than anyone else. It’s one thing to have self-confidence but that’s not what he’s been showing us. He’s been showing us that he doesn’t have a whit of respect for Judge Strickland, Perry, the Courts, the public . . . hell, anything! He’s behaved as though he was absolutely entitled to special treatment from Day One. Anyway . . . you all know. I’m ’preaching to the choir’ as they say! HA! And yeah, I agree, Judy. JP didn’t go far enough. Not nearly. Wonder why hes holding back. Maybe Mr. Sheaffer could talk about that.
evening friends,
Thanks BEES for the link on Bill Sheaffer. While I personally don’t care for Mason’s attitude that “we’re stupid & he is not, I agree with Mr. Sheaffer that Mason should now take the position of Lead Attorney & Baez needs to sit down & shut up.” The only person that can make that decision is KC, after all, GA told her she was the CEO of a Corporation, the Attorney’s work for KC.
judypc, I agree that Baez’s performance has been less than ethical & shady at best, nothing Baez has done would “change the outcome of KC’s verdict, that is what it would take for ineffective counsel.” imo, KC will recieve a GUILTY Verdict whether Beaz even worked on her case or not but perhaps another attorney, a more qualified attorney could have negotiated KC a better deal than facing the DP.
It would seem that Baez’s behavior may cost KC some “expert’s,”especially if he doesn’t get on the right side of the JAC & Dr. Lee. I have to question WHY Baez is “playing such a large roll in the case when he is NOT DP Qualified.” WHO oversees his particiption? His lack of experience is embarassing, Baez seems to continue to promote his own agenda. I just can’t understand WHY he continues to make such bad decisions at KC’s expense & WHY Mason allows it. Mason’s reputation will be affected by the behavior of Baez, I don’t understand WHY Mason continues to stay on the case & appear asas Baez’s “grunt.”
art tart,
IMO, Mason doesn’t want to be lead counsel. If he does, it is his loss not Baez’. Finnell is DP qualified as well as Mason. As long as there is “one” on “Team Pork Chop” (name courtesy of Eggy) he can stay lead. Wouldn’t surprise me at trial time, Finnell will be named lead and Baez will let her take the fall and walk away with his unusual shit eatin’ grin. Mason will say if Baez had made him lead he would be “walking hand in hand out of the courthouse with Casey. Maybe Baez isn’t as dumb as he acts.
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whoops! I agree that it would be Mason’s loss to lead the team but imo, it was Mason’s loss to join the team for “fun” in the first place, Mason had a decent reputation but now, everthing stupid thing Baez does is attached to Mason. When Mason joined, he was to replace A Lyon’s, imo, she had already told Beaz she “wanted out,” she had already done the “hard work” in the DP MOTIONS, something Mason doesn’t seem capable of doing. Baez was more “concerned with his self serving agenda,” I can certainly see why A Lyon’s wanted out, Baez’s incompetence is another one.
The only reason I think Mason should take over, as in Billl Sheaffer’s analysis of the “sanctions,” he suggested that Mason has the maturity, is professional, & DP Qualified,” all in which Baez is not. He also said “KC would have to tell Baez she wanted Mason to take over, play a bigger lead,” but I think that’s something that won’t happen.
imo, it’s time for Mason to go home, he’s past his prime, he seems confused & “out of touch” in what has transpired in the beginning of the case,” his whining is incessant & his pissing & moaning is digusting. The fact is, the fun he claimed he signed on for & the “publicity” he probably was promised, have all backfired, the FUN has been for us to see what a nut he is, the joke is on him, another con by Baez on an Old Attorney with a bigger ego than common sense.
Wow! What a week!
Been doing a lot of reading!
FINALLY! MY RANTS ARE VALLIDATED!
I have been digusted, appalled, embarassed for the lack of professionalism & common sense this offensive defense team has behaved! They, like KC’s parent’s think the case is about them, about lying, about harassment, about making money, NOT SAVING KC’s sorry life! Their incompetence has “NOT GONE UN-NOTICED! The Defense needs to read this article as many times as it takes to understand a JURY of KC’s peers won’t think much of them either!
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FROM THE ORLANDO SENTINEL:
For almost as long as the Casey Anthony murder case has been a part of the public awareness, there have been murmurs about her attorney José Baez’s handling of the case.
They’re all variations on the same theme: that Baez, a defense lawyer with limited experience working on perhaps one of the most visible local murder cases, is swimming in waters — and taking on legal challenges — beyond his depth.
For many, the latest but most vivid example to support this lingering suspicion came nearly one week ago when Chief Judge Belvin Perry struck Baez with a sanction for a “willful” violation of his court order to share expert-witness discovery with prosecutors.
Defense lawyers and legal scholars familiar with the Casey Anthony case say sharing discovery in Florida is like “Criminal Law 101,” helping ensure there is no “trial by ambush.” Following a judge’s repeated orders, meanwhile, is even more fundamental, something readily understood by lawyers and nonlawyers alike.
William Sheaffer, a criminal-defense attorney and media analyst well-versed in the Casey Anthony case, said the judge’s punishment last week “doesn’t speak well of Baez on a professional level.”
“There is a valid criticism — and it was certainly reflected by the court’s ruling — by attorneys, the judges, law professors …,” Sheaffer said, that Baez “is inexperienced, perhaps has some hubris that’s not warranted and that, more importantly, he has failed to rise to the challenge of representation of this client and the most serious charge one could face.”
Sheaffer and other attorneys interviewed for this article say the verdict is still out on Baez. Legal-ethics scholar Bob Jarvis, a professor at Nova Southeastern University in Fort Lauderdale, said Baez might pull off a real-life “My Cousin Vinny.”
He was referring to the 1992 Joe Pesci film in which a rookie lawyer from Brooklyn exonerates his young cousin and his friend in a Deep South murder case.
“Baez may manage to pull out a victory from the jaws of defeat,” Jarvis said. “Until a trial is done, it’s too early to call winners and losers.”
Baez, 42, would not directly answer questions about the sanction or other concerns raised by the attorneys and legal scholars watching this case.
Previous concerns
Judge Perry’s punishment this month was not the first time a judge handling this case has taken action in response to Baez. In March 2009, Circuit Judge Stan Strickland, who was then hearing the case, wrote a letter to The Florida Bar about ethical concerns he had about Baez.
The issue involved allegations that Baez directed investigator Dominic Casey to “walk away” if he found Caylee’s lifeless body during a 2008 search — and then contact Baez rather than law enforcement.
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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-jose-baez-outside-depth-20110107,0,7100865.story
WHY! WHY! WHY, is Baez ALLOWED tow ork on this case!
1. Judge S filed a complaint against Baez.
2. Sanctions against Baez
3. He lied to Judge P about Lunceford calling him correct
4. He continues to look for a defence for KC, he continues to have his P I harass possible witnesses
5. Was denied a license to practice law for 8 years for his “moral character,” failing to pay child support, living beyond his means, being sued by some that had done work for hiim, bankruptsy.
6. Baez had 3 yrs. legal experience when he approached KC, read R Hornsby’s accounting of how KC & Baez became a “stupid duo.”
7. 3 yrs. legal expeience + 2 years “on the job TRAIING on KC’s case,” still leaves this incompetent attorney NOT CAPABLE NOR QUAIFIED as a “Death Penalty Qualified Attorney to Defend KC.
The list is endless, WHY talking heads & Attorney’s, legal scholar’s claim “we don’t know yet if he is in over his head, KC’S LIFE IS ON THE LINE~! Baez needs to sit down & shut the “F UP” & learn the freakin law & NOT GAMBLE with KC’s life. I am NO fan of KC or her parent’s, BUT, KC does deserve a COMPETENT Defense!
ART TART!!!! (and anyone else who might be interested):
48 Hours on ID (ID Discovery Channel), tonight at 9pm EST “The Untold Story of Caylee Anthony”. ~ NEW ~
The description says something like “Grandparents discover their granddaughter missing and 5 months later zero in on her mother”.
5 months later?
I will watch and see what that is all about. I wonder if it will be a “puff piece” that the Anthony’s participated in (and got paid for!!!), or a real investigative show that 48 hours usually does. Should be interesting. Please let me know if anyone else watches!
~Embarrassed~ It was a repeat, but I guess “new” to Discovery channel.
LindaNewYork, NO NEED to be embarassed! It reminded me how “laughable LK Baden, Todd M. & Baez were with Baez refusing to answer RELEVANT questions & PROMISING the whole defense team believed in KC’s innocense” LOL!
If Todd watched he could “remember the days he was a practicing member of the bar & LK Baden dreampt of lots of publicity to promote herself & her book, THEN she read the evidence, did the depos, & got the REAL PICTURE of what she had to do to even argue KC’s Case. LOL! LK Baden DIDN’T need the headaches of Baez or KC.
Rodrigue has been fired from the TODAY SHOW & replaced. Memory lane! It was good for a laugh for those that interview.
My Two favorite lines:
John Morgan, “CA arrived in Court like a rot weilier (sp?) on a zip line!”
CA: “JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR KC!”
Did the snow blow everyone away?
Hi Hazaka! Personally, I have not been commenting about this baloney with the moronic defense.
How much snow did you get? Looks like over a foot here!
Alright the new claim for defense is Caylees body was moved because their expert says originally she had been placed on her side, and she was found face up.
NOW, Let us examine this idea shall we?
Lets see, could her body have laid on her side in the trunk?
OR when her body was dumped it laid on her side, BUT animals that drug the bag and fed on the remains “MOVED THE BODY”
Is it just me or does it seem they have not really thought this out very well?
Jose also wants the court to over rule his fine by Judge Perry, egads MAN UP Jose!!
No it is not just you, Judypc!
Like Bill Scheaffer said: “Accept the sanction. Move on. Learn from it. And make sure you don’t repeat that mistake.”
He is throwing a tantrum again!
art tart said, on January 9, 2011 at 2:16 pm WHY! WHY! WHY, is Baez ALLOWED tow ork on this case!
1. Judge S filed a complaint against Baez.
2. Sanctions against Baez
3. He lied to Judge P about Lunceford calling him correct
4. He continues to look for a defence for KC, he continues to have his P I harass possible witnesses
5. Was denied a license to practice law for 8 years for his “moral character,” failing to pay child support, living beyond his means, being sued by some that had done work for hiim, bankruptsy.
6. Baez had 3 yrs. legal experience when he approached KC, read R Hornsby’s accounting of how KC & Baez became a “stupid duo.”
7. 3 yrs. legal expeience + 2 years “on the job TRAIING on KC’s case,” still leaves this incompetent attorney NOT CAPABLE NOR QUAIFIED as a “Death Penalty Qualified Attorney to Defend KC.
The list is endless, WHY talking heads & Attorney’s, legal scholar’s claim “we don’t know yet if he is in over his head, KC’S LIFE IS ON THE LINE~! Baez needs to sit down & shut the “F UP” & learn the freakin law & NOT GAMBLE with KC’s life. I am NO fan of KC or her parent’s, BUT, KC does deserve a COMPETENT Defense!
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art tart, if I could I would post your questions on 50 ft. high billboards throughout Florida. Those questions demand answers. To all of us but particularly the citizens of Florida. Those courts are THEIRS. They absolutely should be demanding accountablity. I am not exactly sure why they arent. There need to be a few LARGE public uproars maybe. Like when Canadians found out how their tax dollars were keeping Karla Holmolka in lipstick and birthday cake. An outraged public demanded an end to it and she was moved into a much tougher security prison. These clowns (bozo and porkchop) know how arrogant and ridiculous they have been. They probably chuckle about it behind closed doors. Is this really just out of control? And is there really nothing that can be done about it other than continue to watch it unfold? At least time is running out. I hope to God they cant change the trial date.
That’s what Baez gets for always waiting for the last second to file his motions. And this “Reconsideration” motion reads (rambling) like it was written by Mason…
I like how the first line says…”filed in a timely manner”…
Doug,
I think that there is no doubt that Mason wrote that motion. It has his ancient intonations all over it. If Baez had written it, he would, I suppose, have signed it instead of Mason.
Evening friends, Dr. Spitz has had a couple of intesting things to say in his report that the Defense was MADE TO PRODUCE!
Dr. Spitz said there was sediment in Caylee’s Skull. Judy pc sited the problems with how this possibly occured. Dr. G’s report says “the same thing.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/7494800/Autopsy-report-Caylee-Anthony
Valhall said it supports the STATE’s position.
Dr. Spitz has is also “floating an idea that maybe Caylee’s body was moved there later. WELL! LOL! Bend over GA because you are going to be thrown under the bus!
While I don’t believe the body was moved there because of the root growth, WONDER WHO KC gave those car keys to so they could ride around in her car with Caylee in the trunk, Caylee leaves a hair with the Death Band, & then they RETURN KC’s car to her with decomp in it? It is just laughable UNLESS they accuse GA, in that case, he will become the SODDI.
Whoops:
Oops…After such a mind-numbing read, I just didn’t look to see who wrote it. Just figured Baez would fight the Sanctions he caused. I forgot that Mason writes the motions and Baez cash’s the checks.
If Mason’s been complaining about having to file motions for Casey, think how he feels about having to do it for the lead attorney, his boss.
I believe some time back I said they would have to attack Dr. G.
Well, they are doing so, stating she did not follow protocol by opening the skull.
I can think of several ways dirt sediment was found in the skull, the mere fact that the body was submerged in water is one, the animal contact with the body yet another.
I can also give more than one reason why the body may have lain on the left side at some point, then be found in another position, as I stated earlier animal contact, and let us not forget when Kronk found the body he himself stated he moved the bag and the skull rolled from the bag, thus the body was moved.
We could as well surmise that given the amount of water in the area after TSF the body being enclosed in a plastic bag very likely floated and the body shifted as a result.
These are just a few of the reasons I feel this dog will not hunt come time for trial.
A reasonable thinking person will I believe see there are ways to explain the dirt residue being found on the side of the skull and the fact that the body left in the elements would of course be moved to some extent.
Doug, I just don’t understand WHY Mason doesn’t leave KC’s case. He has practiced law long enough to understand that KC won’t walk away from this murder, so WHY continue to humiliate himself, that is, IF he understands he has sunk to the level of Baez.
Doug, maybe Mason filed the “We’re so stupid we could cry MOTION” wanting the Sanctions dismissed for NO WAY JOSE because they say an attorney that represents himself has a FOOL for a client, but geez, in this case, the FOOL is having another FOOL represent him. Judge P doesn’t stike me as someone that that screws around.
judypc, I read something several times that was interesting about the speculation of DC. Someone ask “AZLawyer” IF the STATE did the Investigative Investigation, imo, it was done, & it “didn’t have any real evidentuary value to the mureder case could it later be used later?
AZLawyer said: “IF the STATE ordered a copy of the depo, then the Defense would get a copy of it so that won’t likely happen, especially if there is no real value to the murder case!” BUT! If the State JUST “HELD THE DEPOSITION” it could be later used, after the trial, to charge the Anthony’s!
CA claimed to have sent DC/Hoover near the remains site, WHY? IF B Sheaffer said that it was only 4 people that could have done that, was it “Tubesocks, GA/CA/KC?” DID the Anthony’s KNOW Caylee was dead when they set up their foundation for missing children WHEN Caylee was never missing, she was dead, decomposing just down from their house? There “was no confidentiality between the ANT’s & DC, he could be as damaging to CA as to Baez. “AZLawyer said the STATE can absolutely use that Investigative Depo later!”
…”filed in a timely manner”… SNORT!
Good point, Judy (skull rolling from bag). Also it should be safe to assume the body was in a different position while in the trunk of the car, no? Or, animal activity. There are so many possibilities and I think any jury will respond to that the same way we have — mouths slightly agape and shaking heads slowly . . . like, what the . . . ? IS THAT ALL THEY’VE GOT???
art tart, I don’t understand why Mason doesn’t leave the case either. Sometimes I think baez must have something he’s holding over him, blackmailing him or something! Ha ha ha. Or, could it be that because the trial is almost upon us he is simply not allowed to leave? And maybe he wants to so thats why he’s behaving so deplorably, is so he’ll be kicked off the case? Or maybe he really does suffer from some type of dementia. I don’t know. It boggles the mind. I would just love to hear some opinions from better attorneys as to what they think is going on but it seems like he was respected until recently so it’s unlikely any others will say too much about him.
BEES KNEES, the only reason I think Mason hasn’t left is because he might have “promised his good friend Ann Finnell that he wouldn’t leave the case.” IF Mason left, Finnell would have to supervise the runt which apparently is a full time job. Finnell probably signed on to “just do the Penalty Phase which doesn’t encompass an inexperienced Lawyer with “Sanctions.”
OMG BEES, LMAO at Valhalls new Topic! OMG! Remember when Baez had gone out of town last summer I think & left the “defending of my girl to Mason?” There was a Court Hearing on a minor issue & when it was over, Mason did his usual grand standing & boasting!
Mason claimed that the public was misinformed, the area of the remains WASN’T SEARCHED DUE TO BEING IMPASSABLE! The NEWS CONFERENCE WENT ON & ON! I thought he WAS NUTS but Valhall suggested it was dementia & that’s the least of it! The DEFENSE has filed a MOTION (emotion?) to keep this out of Court, to keep the STATE from pointing out that EVEN MASON didn’t believe ANYONE was able to search the area.
Valhall also EXPLAINS the SPIN from the DEFENSE on Dr. Spitz & there are great comments too, several from “joypath which are always informative.”
A MUST READ!
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/01/13/caylee-anthony-case-defense-wants-a-take-back-and-a-do-over-and-use-spin-to-request/
Dose anyone else feel the fur will fly at the hearing tommorrow? I have a scenerio all plotted out my head and it goes something like this . For the record I am taking the place of Judge Perry. After getting the house keeping items out of the way, I would address the motion Mr. Mason filed. Ater Mason Jar is done with his good ole’ boy story, I would ask the court reporter to read back what Bozo stated as to the reason that the papers weren’t filed on time. Then I would ask both which is the truth. After a few mins. of hemming and hawing they would have to state which it is. Either Bozo out right lied to the court or Mason Jar lied in his motion. Then rocking in my chair to beat the band I’d tell both of them that they need some time to ponder the
how they wish to procede and have the baliff take both in custody for a 24 hour stay in the county klink. Mason will surely say that he has never been sanctioned and it will be my pleasure to tell him he has now. Now that would be poetic justice!!
bonnie preston, bummer, I will be at work on Friday so I will miss Mason fumbling for words, but Mason is discussed here on several occasions & we keep wondering WHY he continues to stay on a case that is not “fun nor advancing his reputation, one he used to have before joining Baez.”
Thanks for that link, art tart. That was a good one. I finally managed to leave a comment at Hinky’s for the first time since her format changed. It wasn’t difficult at all, although I’ve yet to figure out some of the finer points. You know, I used to be joking when I diagnosed mason jar (ha ha ha — thanks, Bonnie)) with dementia but I guess there is the possibility that he really is suffering from it. If so, he has no business defending any case let alone a DP case!!! Just the fact that he cnnot hear is surely a serious problem, no? I continue to shake my head slowly in wonderment at the ridiculous. It should be a skit on Saturday Night Live, not a real life or death situation!
Well the status hearing starts in 35 more minutes and Bonnie I hope we see your version! It would do our frustrated and troubled hearts good (not to mention it would be a wonderful boon to the case) to see JP thoroughly rake the idiots over the coals, but I don’t think we will. He may have a lot of harsh things to say to them but it’s not likely wewill be privvy to them, darn it! It would likely happen up at the bench. But, we can hope. See you all back here later so we can compare notes.
BEES KNEES, from what I read about the hearing, especially by someone that had attended, she said B Sheaffer was getting off the elevator & was so handsome, LOL, she said Mason kept cracking jokes with the baliff’s & anyone else. You can always count on the Defense to be inappropriate!
Baez couldn’t keep the smirk off his face again, he doesn’t want “to mislead the court”…Please.
And Mason wants Baez to be forgiving. Thats because it looks bad on him since Baez is lead attorney of the defense team that he is a part of. Yet they had no problems complaining about and getting Judge Strickland removed…
Well maybe Mason can understand this. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander…
Question:
What do santions mean for the future of an attorney?
Can this cause problems in Baez’s future if someone complains again, even in another case?
Could this put a damper on Baez starting a D.P. law firm that lives off of the taxpayer?
Doug,
Of course sanctions aren’t good for any attorney and unless he has numerous it would likely hamper his ability to obtain decent clients as his AVVO rating would take a hit. Baez has fulfilled the five years as a practicing attorney but he has to participate in two more DP trials to become DP qualified. Maybe Mason will let him help with his new DP trial of Issac Burt to give him his second.
http://www.abanet.org/cpr/disenf/rule10.html
whoops, yep, that Baez got two yrs. “experience working on KC’s case,” for a total of 5 whole yrs. as an attorney. It only cost KC $ 325,000.00. You make a good point, Baez could work Mason in the future. LOL!
Doug, WHY anyone would ever hire Baez in the future for anything would suprise me. Since Baez has taken this case, he has two houses in foreclosure, “living the dream” with ALL the monies he thought he would make! The Sanctions won’t help Baez & his peers are his worst critics, imo, Baez may face many problems after the verdict, ALL the case expenses not paid will “be the responsibility of Baez to pay.”
Hornsby has a different idea about the Sanctions & Baez. He is worried about future cases!
http://blog.richardhornsby.com/
Kudo’s to LDB in her response.
http://docs.docstoc.com/pdf/288745/833c359d-6987-4db2-9db3-d58d97d5b5ae.pdf
LDB is GOOD, her responce is dead on target.
LDB is GOOD, her response is dead on target.
Yup, dead on.
The circumstantial evidence is going to bury Casey (no pun intended). The defense will never get around the “Nanny Story”.
not sure how my post rated showing twice, Linda the defense has a whole lot of mountains to climb and I just do not think they have what it takes to step over a bump in the road much less the Mt Everest before them.
At what point is this Defense Team going to buckle down & work on a believeable defense for KC instead of continuing to look for SOD to blame Caylee’s murder on? The STATE continues to make them look ridiculous in their responses to the endless Ocean of MOTIONS the Defense continues to file. For all the MOTIONS, KC’s big mouth & promisicious behavior won’t be “overcome” in Court. KUDOS to the STATE for their professional efforts to represent Caylee Marie, they WON’T allow this sham of a Defense try to “mislead the public by MOTIONS,” LD Burdick all but “bitch slapped Baez/Mason” in her reply to ALL of the latest MOTIONS. Their predictable/tired behavior seems to be sprialing down even when I didn’t think they could do more poorly, they continue to do so, nothing which helps their client.
Conway said this case won’t plea because “there wouldn’t be a movie!” BUT! I just watched again, the story on Barton Corbin who not only murdered his wife & tried to make it look like a suicide, but murdered his College Girlfriend in Dental School. The DP was on the table, the trial had started, & Bart Corbin, to the surprise of his attorney’s ASK for LWOP to take the DP off the table. He admitted in Court to both murders,not only was it a 48 HOUR MYSTERY, there was a Lifetime Movie made from the book written by Ann Rule
imo, it’s time for the Circus of a Defense to buckle down & put their client’s interest before their own, I am hoping that KC will GET IT IN TRIAL when person after person tells the story of a non existant Nanny etc., that she is NOT walking away from the murder of Caylee, realize only she can save herself & that the “reasonable doubt she was promised by Baez doesn’t exist anymore than Zanny’s dog or sister.
Mason’s getting some extra work by taking on more cases. That must get Baez’z(s) goat that Mason gets high profile work, while he, the lead attorney gets nothing. It will be interesting to see Mason perform without Baez dragging him down. Mason came into this case late, had to play catch up, not only with the case but with all the motions that Baez never filed and he has had to contend with all the ill will that Baez created, both in the courtroom and without. So I for one will be interested to see Mason on his own.
Doug, I agree, I will be interested to see how Mason performs without the Ring Master, but I thought KC’s case was supposed to be Mason’s last, I thought he was headed for retirement. imo, I read so many good things about Mason when he first joined for fun, but his performance, imo, confused, mumbling, uninformed on the case, CLAIMING not to be able to hear Judge P on a microphone but he can damn well hear him at a sidebar. LOL!
WELL! Dr. Lee has jumped ship. Dr. Lee likes to paint with a big brush always CLAIMING CSI was sloppy. TO GET PAID Dr. Lee is going to have to write a report that says EXACTLY WHO WAS SLOPPY, when, where, how, & I am not a bit surprised he CAN’T DO SO! Baez WHINED that Dr. Lee wasn’t admitted into the crime scene but Baez is a complete idiot! It is NEVER ALLOWED, it is the law as it was explained to him!
Hal Boedeker has a good article! Seems this is NO DREAM TEAM, this is a miserable case of a lying biotch who has the defense she deserves, Mason & Bason!
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/01/casey-anthony-when-is-the-defense-no-longer-the-dream-team.html
Just as predicted Dr. Lee is out, gosh what a surprise (NOT) and defense now wants more time to go with their more money seems their experts can’t get those reports done they need 45 more days.
Go figure…
judypc, didn’t Baez ASK for 30 more days & it was denied, so now he request 45 more days? Good luck with that moron.
Ellejay @ Hinky has “connected the dots on Baez.” Baez has said that he would be UNAVAILABLE for 4 days & gave the days. The days coincide with a Conference on Forensics in which Dr. Henry Lee & Other’s will be speaking! Who gives a rat’s butt WHAT Baez attends, seems he needs to LEARN THE LAW & putting the needs of his client first, but slim chance.
There is an attorney that post comments on Hal Boedeker’s Blog & in Hals latest topic, about whether the SCREAM Team was really a DREAM, the lawyer commented he was convinced after watching Baez that Baez would be chared with something after the case was over. I hope the Anythony’s are held responsible as well!
At the Conference on Forensics….”Anymore questions? Anymore questions from someone other than Mr. Baez ?”
lol
Looks like the blogger who shall remain nameless finally went one step too far. He sent a letter to court impersonating a woman he has been cyber stalking.
Note to blogger who shall remain nameless: when you try to impersonate someone it is wise not to have posted numerous comments/blog posts about this person.
I have a feeling the next one to jump ship will be Mason, he will say he is over loaded and has to focus on his other client’s, (paying clients)
Not sure Ms Finnell (sp) will last to the end, do not see her wanting her name linked to jokin jose’ this trial is gonn’a leave a stink on all involved.
I have long said Jose’ may end up loosing his bar card over this trial.
This whole “dream team” smoke & mirror game was set up to be scary to the state, and has ended up being the laughing stock of the court house.
Do not think Lee will be the last to jump ship.
jokin jose’ said Dr Lee was gonn’a send the state to school, well looks like class is now in session for team casey and the lessons are not going to be easy.
He now say’s Dr Lee is a moot point, well excuse me thought he discovered so much, this tells me Dr Lees findings were more in line with the state than the defense.
Wouldn’t it be a hoot if the state brought him in as a witness now?
Bet jose would mess his boxers.
If Mason and Finnel leave and no other DP qualified attorney is willing to work with/under Baez wouldn’t the Public Defenders Office have to take the case ?
LindaNewYork said, on January 27, 2011 at 8:54 am
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Vicky K, please go away and you and yours, take your fight elsewhere coz no one cares…thank you.
You care LNY. You have switched sides so often I’m surprised you can remember what side you are on. You trolled other blogs including JB Mission and if I recall used some very salty language. The “C” word comes to mind. Maybe you can borrow a mirror from Doris.
Don’t get all snotty with me when you are not the innocent above it all you claim to be.
Evening friends,
I agree, I too think someone else will leave but I don’t think it will be Finnell. Doug, you are right, both Mason & Finnell can both leave, one has to stay. Too, as you pointed out, Mason has paying client’s, go figure, I guess those paying Mason haven’t watched his “embarassing performance in this case.” I would be curious to see if Finnell would agree to “superving the moron.” imo, if Baez won’t listen to Judge P, slim chance he has listened to anyone else.
imo, the only way the Defense can save embarassment is to convince KC she needs to ask for a PLEA of LWOP, then the case wouldn’t be tried. Hardly the “reasonable doubt theory that Baez promised KC they would create, then little Caylee
was found & the Defense hasn’t done one constructive thing since.
I just can’t imagine that the Defense is going to try this, what a cluster!
LindaNewYork, I have been impressed by Finnell’s professionalism, she is the only sane one left. imo, Mason couldn’t “prepare for penalty phase, that is a case in itself to try to save KC’s life,” Mason is caught up in the “cluster of a case that continually spirals down due to the ineptitude of Baez, looks like Mason signed on to HELP Baez do the work he didn’t do for 2 yrs.
As much as as the DT would like to NEVER hear the words, “Zanny the Nanny,” ALL the LIES KC told LE will plag her throughout the trial, there is no overcoming all the damage the Anthony’s have compounded.
I PRAY the DT doesn’t beg for a PLEA for KC, I want to see everything the STATE has & I want KC humilated, sitting there watching EX Friend after Friend “tell KC’s story for her, about the person she was & the mother she wasn’t.” I still think it is possible that KC will plea, this is a “losing case, imo, as to why the other Attorney’s bail,” B Sheaffer says this case will STICK to these Attorney’s for the next 20 years.
WHAT’S UP WITH CAYLEE’S SHORTS? It’s been 45 days, IF there is nothing to “support the defense’s theory, we won’t ever hear WHAT THEY DIDN’T find.
LindaNewYork said, on January 29, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Excuse my French, but they are a bunch of scumbags over there.
I prefer to remain behind the scenes. Last time I was overly aggravated and prefer to not be involved “publicly”, so to speak.
All the best, Dave.
Linda (New York)
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LNY, your comment has no place on this blog. This is not the place for it. If you want to address your comments to the factions that wish to promulgate your distaste, then it would prudent to discuss them there. Nobody here wants to hear your rant.
It is well known that you are a former commenter to the blog that you so seem to despise but as we all know, you come crawling back asking for forgiveness and post your position there. You have been to SB, BAB, DKS, Bad, CMA and many more to justify your position. You have been nothing more than a distraction to all the blogs that you choose to site your case.
It is now falling on deaf ears. Simply put you are an Blog pariah. Go back to where you first started and justify why you condone what he has done. Woman up if that is what you are and or shut the hell up because no one wants to listen to you anymore. You broke your pick wherever you comment, get a clue.
BTW, as far as remaining behind the scenes, you are as obvious as a huge zit on ones face. I as well as many others have had it with your pontificating bullshit and hope that you will retire to your humble beginnings in the Bronx and do not embolden this good blog with your personal agenda.
Sorry Craig, but it had to be said.
What is going on here????
Whoops, the problem is, Dave came to this blog & wrote another insulting comment about Craig 3 or 4 weeks ago, no need to apologize to Craig for your opinoin, but if you want to apologize to Craig for MD’s comment, his insults, feel free to do so, it was typical Dave & embarassing. When Craig is insulted, so are we as he cleans up after the troll’s. MD was IGNORED HERE! It has been a consistent problem with this blog that from time to time, some of the commentor’s from MD’s come here NOT TO DISCUSS THE CASE, but to discuss Dave’s blog, who CARES? The trolls from Dave’s blog that show up here change their name two or three times during a visit, that is what LNY was refering to as “scumbags, that is exactly what they project,” they are disruptive, MD isn’t responsible for what trolls post on other sites, but to show up promoting his blog & insult here is an embarassment & childish.
LindaNewYork is not a pariah, she isn’t ranting, she has consistently stated her opinions on Caylee’s case, ignored the trolls, but it seems all the blogs I read, & LNY posts there too, are FED UP WITH THE BLOG WARS & those consistently seeking their 15 minutes of fame & interjecting themselves into the case, we are interested in the case.
If you don’t want to read LNY’s comment, DON’T READ IT, skip it or move on, nobody cares! Your insulting comment is laughable, I always enjoyed reading your contributions but you are sadly mistaken to think LNY isn’t well thought of.
LOL Whoops, you probably think ES wrote that letter! Who do you think targeted her, knowing it would be released to the public?
art tart,
I think you know me better than to think the ES wrote that letter. So far as I can see nobody can really place where it came from. I guess if the Court is concerned enough about it, the author can and will be found.
Maybe I was a bit harsh on LNY but she plays both ends against the middle quite often. I just didn’t think it was appropriate for her to bring the “Blog War” here, that’s all. As long as LNY comments on that site I won’t have the respect you hold for her.
Why would I apologize to Craig for what somebody whom I hold in great contempt said about him? I was here when he called Craig a s***** d****** which I thought was as twisted as anyone could get.
Whoops, I don’t know “what site you are talking about?” LNY, imo, has always been fair & she speaks what is on her mind. I was furious when MD came to this site, it is certainly his right, but WHY INSULT THE MONITOR? I thought you were defending MD, I have absolutely NO RESPECT for him or his rants.
It seems a lot of time has been wasted on the BLOG DRAMAS, most are just fed up with it. I just found out yesterday, LOL, that GA had gone to Johnson’s towing 2 DIFFERENT TIMES. “Woobabie” mentioned it in a post at Hinky & gave the page # from GA’s deposition. I guess I just overlooked it, GA had gone to Johnson’s Towing, then contacted CA & they got the money to pick up KC’s car. Bazar.
I am worried that the DT will ask for a PLEA right before or during the Trial. With Dr. Lee leaving, it is just another blow to the defense. jmo, Baez probably painted a different picture of the reality of this case when recruiting the high profile attorney’s & I can’t blame them for leaving. It’s unfortuate that his case has gotten this far, jmo, a more experienced attorney would have resolved it, it seems KC might have been misled.
art tart,
At this point, I doubt seriously if the defense will ask for nor will the prosecution accept a plea of any kind. Way too many Florida tax dollars have been spent for the prosecution to accept a plea and pi$s all that money down the drain. What could she plea to. 1st degree murder (no DP)” No way!! 2nd degree murder with 25 to life? No way!! Reckless endangerment of a child? No way!!
100 days as of tomorrow till May 11th and I believe Judge Perry would not at this point accept anything less than a full blown trial. Casey would have to admit to how and why she murdered Caylee. I don’t believe that is ever going to happen. She has maintained her innocence for over two and a half years now and Mason (if you remember) said he “would walk out of that courthouse hand in hand with Casey”. Hey Mason, “having fun still”? art tart, Casey was misled alright and I believe she is still convinced that she will walk free and if she doesn’t, she will take George, Cindy and Lee down with her for them not being able to fix this for her.
I believe the Grim Reaper is waiting for Casey with a little mixture of Sodium thiopental,
Pancuronium bromide and Potassium chloride. Sadly that will only put her to sleep forever and she will never feel the terror that Caylee must have felt looking into the eyes of the MOTY who suffocated her and left her like a sack of trash on the side of the road. Oh yea, maybe she will plead to littering and get out of it that way. I’m not laughing. 100 days tomorrow Casey, start counting down. Won’t be long before it is 31 days. Remember what you did for those other 31 days Casey?????
Whoops, I hope you are right, the STATE owes KC nothing, her DT less, the STATE is the ONLY VOICE for Caylee Marie, I want to see the trial & ALL the participants punished. The “Backseat Lawyer.” a legal BLOG wrote an article on Baez & is appalled that an attorney with only 3 yrs. legal experience when he took this case represents KC.
Sounds as if the chit is about to hit with L Buchanan, charges may still be brought against her & I was appalled that Baez wanted Conway to contact her. I was MORE APPALLED to read that she sent Baez pictures of herself so he would know “who he was talking to.” YEP! This is what the DT thought was a STAR Witness?” OMG! A Lawyer groupie, then she contacted NeJames, but the Anthony’s Attorney have gone on record as saying: “Their client’s NEVER contacted LB!” BUT! L Buchanan & CA did talk, & the Anthony Attorney’s CAN’T DENY that they knew each other.
Whoops said, on January 31, 2011 at 12:38 pm
*****100 days tomorrow Casey, start counting down. Won’t be long before it is 31 days. Remember what you did for those other 31 days Casey?????*****
THAT is an interesting thought! I wonder what little miss murderess will be thinking on each of the final 31 days??
frankie, when the date of the trial was first announced, I was furious because it seemed almost a yr. away at the time, now it’s countdown.
For all the taxpayer’s dollars wasted for a P I to harass anyone they could blame, I bet Baez is still trying to “Dream up the compelling reason that Baez promised in numerous interviews as to why KC never reported Caylee missikng/dead,” imo, if they can’t even convince a jury of something remotely believable, KC’s convicted, imo. Any parent on the jury will see KC for exactly what she is, murder, liar, thief.
Dave did not insult Craig. He did not write the letter.
I am his partner & confidant so I would know. Dave is a dedicated investigative reporter & journalist. He is respected by the lawyers and media in this case.
Well then you are to be pitied. It is obvious he did it. Why hasn’t he denied writing the letter? You are denying it, but have you asked him? Truthfully, asked him did you do this terrible thing to this woman and dirty up the justice for a murdered toddler? I thought not.
His post about the letter, you gotta read it cuz it is basically a confession.
This blog is not interested in that loser. i hope they arrest him soon and it is all over.
By the way I want to apologize to all the GOOD people on this bog for feeding the troll.
I am sick and tired of hearing MD’s name as much as you are. The thought that gives me great comfort, is that he will be punished for his many crimes against people interested in Justice for a murdered toddler and that he will not be able to blog in jail.
Again, I apologize.
So you dont think its an important part of the case ?? Put aside the trolls and hate everyone has for each other and concentrate on the case, People are getting HIGHLY involved with this case and it goes way beyond posting their opinion or blog…. This is about getting Justice for a 2 year old, one that weighed only 39 pounds and stood 3 feet tall and could not over power a person trying to end her life……. So people are causing her Justice to be delayed, they are wasting police time and investigators time, they are wasting hard working florida tax payers money – while they sit at home on their pc making fake emails and sending them to the judge because they have a vendetta with someone online other people are actually ” WORKING ” on their feet. Who ever this person is obviously doesnt give a crapola about Justice for Caylee, they are only in it for the fun of fighting with someone on the other side of a computer screen. It is IMPORTANT because we want our kids, our families and friends to be safe, the money they are wasting could be used for such better causes not including Caylee could already have her justice and this case could have already been put to rest. So when you say people getting involved in this case isnt important, I beg to differ.
Not to mention Dave cant necessarily say he didnt do this considering he has posted vile things about this women in the past, constantly talks about her in a negative light and has ONCE BEFORE gotten so involved in this case that he actually caused a Judges Recusal can you really blame anyone for “thinking” it was him ……
The truth hurts but if Dave wanted to do the right thing by Caylee he would have stepped back from this case and covering it when the news broke about him being involved in the recusal. Instead of doing the right thing and taking the high road and accepting people didn’t agree with what he did/said he decided to create a hate group to harass anyone who doesn’t agree with him. Since when do people not have the right to have an opinion and voice it, I dont agree with what Dave did and I dont agree with all the news media interviews he did, I dont agree with him making up false stories on his blog even if they were meant as a joke it is easy to take something out of context or later prove you were just ” playing ” …. I have yett to see DAVE admit he was wrong for what he did which just proves he is more self involved than anything else.
“Confident (spelled incorrectly as usual for you Detwill39 aka Snoopy Sleuth & many more), Iknow and Mindblogging” take your “Blog Vendetta” to where someone gives a damn. This is not where you need to vent your spleen. Use your normal screen names and take it where someone gives a crap about what you have to say. Mr. Sheaffer’s blog was established to discuss the Casey Anthony case not a blog war that makes a mockery of what is the senseless taking of the life of Caylee Marie Anthony. Have some respect please if you will.
Mr. Sheaffer respects Dave ans his writing. Dave has done more for Caylee Marie than any of you. Whoops you are not the boss of this blog or of me. I will defend Dave any where he is attacked. Noone of you can hold a candle to Dave’s talent as a journalist and alot of you are just jealous. I may just be an old backwoods Canadian woman but I know talent when I see it.
dave knechel = A BIG FAT nothing WANNABE.
snoopy, sit down and shut the f up.
hi art tart! Long time no see!
Still the same ol shit over here, I see. No wonder nobody wants to post here. Keep the blog war crap on your “home” blogs. Hello Bees, Art, and Whoops!
Just thought I’d drop in to see how everyone is and if you got any snow. We’re up to our eyeballs in it here. 21 freakin inches. Blah.
Perhaps when a “blog warrior” goes to jail for playing stupid games in the midst of a capital murder case the adults can go back to blogging. Until then I will continue to lurk.
Don’t you people get it. The old woman does all the nasties and causes problems all around blogs to get herself attention. She would love to have something happen to get her an interview and HERSELF spread all over the news. She brags about being MDs confident and partner just to be Letting other hangers on know they are nothing to him. MD did call Craig a pervert so STUFF IT, MAAM confident. We got every word you too uttered. Sorry BSer’s this WAS a great place to read but here she is, determined to be in control of BS himself. Have a nice day.
This blog is about Caylee anthony right and the trial against Casey Anthony ……. ??
Dave Knechel a online blogger who constantly embeds himself into this, got a judge recused and still attends the hearings like the people there like him.
Tell me what part of that isn’t about this case. You can take my vendetta and shove it where the sun dont shine, you know better than I do your best buddy Dave lined the defense up with an appeal and we will all hear about HIM after this trial is over and how he ” effected ” this case… I often wonder if what he did was intentional, I do find it odd he sits on the same side of the defense everytime there is a hearing. How does it feel to be a child killer supporter ?
Maybe Daves confident and partner felt the need to forge a letter to Judge Perry because of her insane obsession with Dave and child killers….. sad
Whoops are you one of those women who are single and lonely and want Davey boy to come sweep you off your feet and carry you to the courthouse with him ? bahahahah Freaking pro casey supporters, gotta love em.
By the way Whoops, I don’t comment at “that site”. Now let me go back and see the harshness you bestowed on me.
And by the way…any time you see that green avatar associated with MY NAME here that is not me…Go ahead. Look back at ALL my comments here and tell me what you see. I will be waiting for an apology by all!
I will repeat, I have not been able to comment under my wordpress account and the e-mail associated with it here.
Linda since baldaintbeautiful has been shut down they have no home base. They are venting their rage at anyone who supports Dave.
MT do you see Craig saying he was insulted> Do you see Mr. Sheaffer denying he respects Dave? Are you saying Judge Strickland’s judgement should be doubted?
The only one Dave will sweep off their feet and carry into the court house is me.
Confident, show us where MD has posted that you are his one and only confident and partner. Much respect has been lost for him because you just will not STFU. As his partner do you really think you are helping him with your constant mouthing off on any place you can land. YOU KEEP SHOVING HIM DOWN PEOPLE’S THROATS AND SHOVING YOURSELF IN PEOPLES FACES. FOR THE SAKE OF A MURDERED CHILD, STOP WITH YOUR I’s. I this I that! Let’s just say I’m a great person, but if I had someone like you running all over blogs shoving it the way you do, a good guess is that you would get sick and tired and have no use for either. Nobody gives a hoot what you are to MD, be his whatever you want. You make a complete ass of yourself and of him. You got some intelligence, use it! For gees sake! Enjoy!
MT, you’re a dear, but if the babbers taught me nothing else they taught me how to not only steal/use other people’s gravatars to post at blogs but how to conduct an image/gravatar search in order to determine whose gravatar was whose or who was using whose gravatar.
The gravatar used by Confident is NOT one of SnoopySleuth’s/Detwill39′s. Confident is NOT SnoopySleuth. The gravatar shown has been used by Spamalot on the BAB and DKS blog.
I offer this information only because I am sick to death of the nonsense!
You twits, Daves only got a handful of supporters and half of em are from the same institute as Joy Wray. You dont like the simple fact that your ole friend Dave is out for blood money…
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”
In this case people are taking a stand against random lazy butts who wanna make money off sitting at their pc all day, because sadly Caylees own family never gave a crap about her.
Take this to heart when I say CAYLEE ISNT A BANK STOP TRYING TO MAKE A PROFIT OFF OF HER MURDER
“LindaNewYork said, on February 2, 2011 at 9:43 pm
Waiting for an apology Whoops. Did you look back on all of my posts for months and months and months and months and see that ALL of my comments are not connected to a green gravatar?”
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LNY, Then why aren’t you using your Green Avatar here? If I have judged you wrongly, I sincerely apologize. You most of all know why I do not use an avatar and post with a proxy ip.
All I ask of you is which side of the spectrum you are on. I have seen you defending the Internet “heartthrob”, get pissed off and telling him off. So tell us all right here. “Do you condone his errant behavior of posting the trash that you have defended in the past. Have you had an epitome and will you on this blog condemn what Marinade Dave, Dave Knechel has done to burn every bridge that was ever constructed in his defense. Last but not least, do you condone that he posted the wrong name of a “registered offender” under the name of one who was? And last but not least do you not believe that he wrote that Bullshit letter to the Court?
I don’t know JustSayin, It is just sooooo much like her, the way she is always, just ALWAYS! I have no qualm about apology, but I’ll tell you, whatever, whoever, I am just like you. SICK TO DEATH of adults behaving on and on and on. Surely you can’t say it is not her on SB. She just will not stop. If they back off, she just will not shut up until she gets it started again. They have made this childs murder a reason for being on these blogs with no regard to how little she really matters over all their own personal vendetta’s. These are the most selfish acts imaginable. I just thought I should answer you in agreement, it is indeed utterly stupid nonsense, which has gone beyond cruel.
JustSayin said, on February 2, 2011 at 10:37 pm
MT, you’re a dear, but if the babbers taught me nothing else they taught me how to not only steal/use other people’s gravatars to post at blogs but how to conduct an image/gravatar search in order to determine whose gravatar was whose or who was using whose gravatar.
The gravatar used by Confident is NOT one of SnoopySleuth’s/Detwill39′s. Confident is NOT SnoopySleuth. The gravatar shown has been used by Spamalot on the BAB and DKS blog.
I offer this information only because I am sick to death of the nonsense!
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JustSayin, then how do you explain this. Obviously you know nothing about what the Babbers taught you. “Confident” is most definitely Snoopy Sleuth aka Detwill39. You may be sick of the nonsense but, you only wish to cover the asses of those who would infiltrate this blog to create hate and discontent. Go away no one needs your bullshit.l
http://i51.tinypic.com/309o6xw.jpg
Yep, now I remember:
“It is now falling on deaf ears. Simply put you are an Blog pariah. Go back to where you first started and justify why you condone what he has done. Woman up if that is what you are and or shut the hell up because no one wants to listen to you anymore.”
I don’t know who the hell you are any longer and what you are about. I did hover over your gravatar and it was blank, so I don’t know if it is you or an impostor. Linda, from what I have observed you were once a DK groupie, got pissed and then went back to only leave again with the bitter taste of almonds in your mouth. Which is it almonds or sugar sweetie?
Whoops, this is the nonsense I am talking about! You post a link that proves nothing! Emails have been stolen, gravatars misused making it next to impossible to know for certain who did what and who is who and yet fingers are pointed and accusations made, like by YOU that have very little basis in fact and which serve no good purpose but to further the hatred! There are so many of us who became sick to death of the games and stopped, so why don’t you?
Done!!
Oh, yea that one. Well as I so indelicately put it I was hoping that what has transpired on the dark side would not spill over here until you made that comment. So now with egg on my face and an apology, I bid you a buonanotte fiera. Domani sarà un giorno migliore.
In case nobody else has read this yet:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-jose-baez-bar-complaint-20110202,0,312701.story?page=1
Hooray! Mix is commenting on the case!
I think the FL Bar needs to take action. baez has not acted in good faith in his position as an “officer of the court” since this case started, IMO. The Bar exists to protect the public from unscrupulous attorneys, but, IMO is not fulfilling it’s mission. If the Bar cannot police their own, it should then be up to a State agency. I do not think that would be in the best interest of the public because of client privilege issues, but somehow the public should have protection against charlatans.
The gravatar used by Confident is NOT one of SnoopySleuth’s/Detwill39′s. Confident is NOT SnoopySleuth. The gravatar shown has been used by Spamalot on the BAB and DKS blog.
I do not play at Mr Shaefers blog, nor do I post as anyone other than myself. I am sure they can attest to that fact . As a rule I read the relevant posts that refer to this case or just lurk. To the dimwit that made the accusation it was me, you must have missed a class in gravatar sleuthing. Go back and try again.
Agreed, Frankie…and hello
Will all the investigations and allegations made about the defense come into play for an appeal based on poor legal representation in the event the client is found guilty?
I hope not, BJ, but it wouldn’t surprise me if that was Bozo’s M.O. the entire time, seeing as he really has no defense. From what I read, the allegations against Bozo won’t be addressed until after the trial, so who knows what the impact will be on the case against Casey Anthony. She has said she is satisfied with her counsel, I don’t know if she can cry “ineffective counsel” after she’s been convicted.
For your viewing pleasure.
http://i51.tinypic.com/309o6xw.jpg
Is anyone reallllly surprised that the Bar is taking a lookie?
My best guess is the whole Brad Conway/ Laura B investigation is whats up, while they are at it they may as well have a peek at just where did a half Mil go?
Dave will get the real story tomorrow at the hearing. He is busy writing a new post. Mr. Sheaffer’s take on the complaint filed against Baez was interesting but will it bear fruit?
Dave’s new post should be very good from the snippets I have seen. Linda you are not a pariah at my new place or at Dave’s. Valhall singling you and Karen out on her blog was unfair.
Here is a snippet of Dave’s talent for those of you non-believers:
To be quite honest, because I have a problem with honesty. I had no idea my brain would smash into a brick wall or my gout would flare up causing my writing skills to atrophy just like my nads. My word! Or lack thereof. Did I just type that? To say my life was a bit topsy turvy the past two weeks is a gigntic enormous big huge understatement. Generally, when I sit down to write, I like to do it with nothing in my way and I like to wear three day old underwear. THe stench inspires me. I like my mind free from clutter. My mind has been cluttered lately with lots of voices. Even today, I can’t sit still. I got ants in my pants. Too many responsibilities. I anticipate this post will take hours to write – hours to focus, minutes to write and hours to figure out what I am saying too. To give you an idea, here’s how I began my post last week before sickness and death took it all away: Snoopy’s blog died. Mine is dead. Oh woes the woes the woes!!!
When I arrived on the 23rd floor on Monday, a handful of people were milling about. They were probably avoiding me like the black plague but I have no clues about such things. Everybody loves the marinade king without a marinade!! Sure, there are always journalists waiting for the courtroom doors to open, but I’m more intrigued by the new faces I see and I surely am not a journalist although I play one on the internet. each time I attend a hearing the people they run!@ I don’t understand it. Among them this time were two of the friendliest people I had the privilege to meet, Suzie Jane and Roger, that actually sounds like three people but Suzie Jane is a hillbilly with two first names and Roger he is just Roger who came all the way from the great home state of our 16th, 18th and 44th presidents and the man with the Lego hair Rod Blago whatshisface, Illinois. We had a very nice chat before the doors opened for us to enter. We talked about the smell in the hallway still haven’t figured that one out. They sat to my immediate right. i like to keep track where all the people sit. It makes for great writing!! We glanced around the room before the judge entered at 1:30 sharp. I mean sharpo sharp! Meanwhile, I had time to boot up my old laptop computer and crack open my old-fashioned notebook with the wire hanging off the top that I use to poke the roaches in my room. The only thing digital about it is the hand-held digits, also known as fingers, I use to pick my nose. Don’t tell mom she says that is a nasty habit and to stop flicking them on the walls.
Suzie Jane RottenCrotch quietly wondered where Cindy and her friend were. I could hear her quiet wondering through my tinfoil hat that keeps the bad voices out. I whispered back that she is sometimes late, but she should definitely show up. SHe is probaby in the bathroom fixing her pretty hairs.
When…
and that’s all I wrote when my world crashed down and I got the gout again and my penis implant had complications that forced me to the ER. Can I pick up where I left off? I guess so, but what’s the point? What is ever my point? I don’t get it. The motions are old and somewhat stale now, old in the sense that they’ve been discussed in the news and on blogs and Lord knows that I puke this stuff up hoping that I can get a glance from cuddlebug one day. Instead, I’ll look into another brewing storm, unrelated to the Anthony case, or maybe it is. I guess it depends on the way the cards are falling. You’ll see my depends.
I have to retire to my pee stained mattress now. Noone is tipping the tip jar and I am waiting to get a new one but when I return I will tell you about my skinhead days at the Rusty Nail. Aloha.
To Craig…
Someone is making comments in here under an alias and I am being accused of making those comments. If you check my IP #, it is my own and not a proxy. My IP will orignate in Nova Scotia, Canada. The comments being made are by an individual who wants to cause disruption here. WordPress has already shut down 4 blogs, very recently, that were created by these same individuals who disrupt blogs. I am NOT commenting under the name Confident!!
snoopy you do use a proxy too, its not nice to lie to craig
and so does Dave, it was proven by one of his screen shots that he uses anonymouse .org
so why all the bs’ing here to craig? Leave these bloggers here alone, they want to discuss the case, not have to deal with you and dave’s blogging games.
oh, and if I ever catch you using my email and wordpress name I will haunt you when I pass
snoopysleuth | December 13, 2010 at 10:29 pm |
I hope whoever put up Bash a Bab puts up a new post soon… Ahem!
Marinade Dave | December 13, 2010 at 10:30 pm |
Too bad I missed it. I guess I’ll have to come up with a new bashabab post tomorrow.
You’re not afraid of a little wind, are you?
I never thought things would get this out of control!
Wordslinger
February 3, 2011 at 11:45 am
“I bet BS bloggers are getting a good laugh, LOL!”
No, WS, we are not laughing. Were it not for the infiltration of he and his followers this blog would be as vibrant as it once was. Unfortunately most have moved on to blogs where they will not be attacked and their avatars being used for nefarious purposes. Craig made it clear on a different thread how he feels about him and his contribution to this blog. And I paraphrase Craig, “I will take care of this blog, you take care of yours.” For those who would use this blog to further their agenda is reprehensible. I can’t help but wonder why Mr. Sheaffer hasn’t made a new thread here but I can certainly understand that as the Professional he is, is why he wouldn’t waste his time. Craig knows who is who here and doesn’t have the time to play games with JERKS who will use any blog that they haven’t been banned from YET to disrupt and get a response that will continue to derail and cause those who want to discuss the Casey Anthony case in a reasonable manner. Sorry Craig, off to The Hinkey Meter where Valhall has a better handle on her loyal followers.
OK, I had e-mailed Craig this morning to ask that the comment made here under my stolen wordpress gravatar be removed as well as my other comments regarding this debacle to Whoops.
I had also e-mailed wordpress to complain about my name being hijacked and they sent an e-mail response wanting me to direct them to the page where it was used, so they could investigate. Unfortunately, at my request, Craig removed it from here for me. It would have been nice for wordpress to have investigated it. Oh well.
I am sure someone is having a good laugh at my expense. Whoever you are: Good Job. You succeeded, yet again, as Whoops said above, in furthering your agenda and it IS reprehensible (although I think we may be talking about different “suspects” LOL!). And you have also succeeded in causing a problem with Whoops and I. Thanks for that too. Although, apparantly, that is what Whoops thinks about me.
Unfortunately the comments made by a poster (in response the the nefarious comment NOT made by me) ,regarding ME have not been removed. So, whoever you are you have succeeded in my being embarrassed. Hope that has made your day and I am sure you are smug in that thought.
Oh well. No one is safe. Sucks.
One more thing. Whoever Confidential is: Do not bring Valhall’s name into this hot mess.
Later.
“I am sure someone is having a good laugh at my expense. Whoever you are: Good Job. You succeeded, yet again, as Whoops said above, in furthering your agenda and it IS reprehensible (although I think we may be talking about different “suspects” LOL!). And you have also succeeded in causing a problem with Whoops and I. Thanks for that too. Although, apparantly, that is what Whoops thinks about me”
Linda, I thought we had put that to rest as of my comment to you last night. I am my own person and I am not influenced with the hyperbole that is promulgated on this or any other blog. As long as you and I have the same opinion of what the murder of Caylee Marie Anthony, is one and the same, that is all that matters. Stolen avatars, posts by those who would use those tactics mean nothing to me. If we are on the same page that is all I need to know. The rest is all bullshit. Cleche’ as it may be, it has always been said, “don’t judge a book by the cover”. I may be an enigma to some but that is how I wish to remain, “for now”. Don’t rule me out as a friend unless I prove otherwise.
Il potere è nella parola scritta come a lungo, come è scritto con la verità e la giustizia in mente. Buona notte, per ora.
Peace, Whoops. I agree. It is BS. I will move on.
Now stop making me translate another language again! LOL! (this one I cannot find).
Italian
The power is in the written word as long as it is written with truth and justice in mind. Good night for now. Is what it means in Italian. I thought you spoke it. Sorry!
Judypc said, on February 3, 2011 at 12:54 pm Is anyone reallllly surprised that the Bar is taking a lookie?
My best guess is the whole Brad Conway/ Laura B investigation is whats up, while they are at it they may as well have a peek at just where did a half Mil go?
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judypc, What an SOB, POS, & NUT JOB! Baez’s dishonest behavior had already been confirmed by the Fla. Licensing Board denying him a license to practice for 8 years, seems that should have DENIED him longer than 8 yrs. for “enethical conduct,” apparently it has ALL caught up with him. No surprise to anyone following the case.
An attorney that comments at Hal Boedeker’s blog predicted that Baez as well as other’s will “charged when the case is over.” The AGENDA of the State as well as the Court, is to bring this case to trial & bring JUSTICE TO CAYLEE. The “other’s have an agenda & it won’t be used to BOG this trial down!” Bill Sheaffer had also said that the STATE will “keep their eyes on the prize, bringing KC to Justice!” JUSTICE is coming for EVERYONE!
Hey, BEES KNEES, Whoops, LindaNewYork, Mixologist, Haazaka, & BJ, looks like the trolls are frothing at the mouth, I don’t even read their comments, as our old friend Morgan used to say, “they need to piss up a rope!”
Baez came out at the hearing all full of bravado, yet all he did was the same old stall routine…more time …
Judge Perry is insisting on his deadlines, Baez not happy.
And what does Cindy find so funny ? She’s just laughing her head off before the hearing…Someone make a Caylee joke ??
Doug, I thought my head would “implode watching that idiot today,” in other words, NO MATTER WHERE JUDGE P holds the trial, Baez is going to appeal! Baez’s purile threats to Judge P show more incompetence, imo, they will again to come back & biute him in the a$$.
I LMAO when Judge P ask Baez to LEAVE THE PHONE # with his clerk, seems Judge P is going to check up on Baez’s “lying, I bet Judge P has no problem getting the information.”
LOL, Mason looked “whipped,” sitting there hoping NOT TO BE ASK ANY questions by the Judge. Wonder if Mason said to Baez, “You’re probably going to lose your license to practice law, why don’t you continue to be the IDIOT, I’m just going to sit here looking down & try to detach my sorry ass from you & your projected incompetence.”
Mind numbing, Baez referring to the JAC’s “slave” wages to a black judge must have sent HHJP into a blind rage. Being the professional jurist JP is, he handled it extremely well but you can count on it that he will not forget that mindless comment. What the hell were you thinking Hooooosieeeeee? Is Baez that inept that you don’t use a reference like that in a courtroom of mixed ethnicity? Of course he is to answer my own question.
art tart, you are so right, Mason, looked liked a whipped dog, head hung low probably thinking, I’m not having fun anymore, what was I thinking getting mixed up in this ship of fools.
check out Mr. Sheaffer’s new topic, it’s good.
Whoops, check out Mr. Sheaffer’s new topic, it’s good.
It is a great news that Anthony is no longer a player of Denver Nuggets. He is traded to New York Knicks, and his number is become 7 now. What’s important is that I got the New York Knicks #7 Anthony jersey. Would you like one? LOL
Looks like Baez’s rookie mistakes and off the wall tactics worked out for him. If you can’t dazzle them with dexterity, baffle them with bullshit!
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