Legal Analyst Bill Sheaffer on Casey Anthony Case

STRATEGIES?

Posted in Latest Posts by William J. Sheaffer on February 4, 2011
WFTV legal expert Bill Sheaffer

WFTV legal expert Bill Sheaffer

Several items of interest have surfaced in the past few week,  in the Casey Anthony case. Two relating to trial strategy (my favorite topic), I believe, are significant enough to warrant a brief discussion.

Judge Perry entered his order denying the Defense’s request to question Roy  Kronk at trial regarding allegations of past indiscretions.  The Defense’s primary motive in seeking permission for this avenue of questioning was a clear attempt to suggest to the jury that  Kronk, not Casey, is the real killer of baby Caylee.  At the time the Defense filed this motion,  there were  individuals in the legal community that lauded this sordid  attempt as a sound and legitimate  defense strategy.  I, however, did not believe that and said so. First, it is neither a logical, practical, nor legitimate strategy, to engage in wholesale character assassination of anyone.  Certainly not on a national stage, much less, in this case, Roy Kronk, whose persistence led to the discovery of Baby Caylee‘s remains.  This secondary motive was clearly an attempt to gain some advantage in the court of public opinion, prior to Casey‘s trial.  However, there is not one scintilla of evidence to support the outlandish and salacious, and by now, well publicized allegations, the Defense has brought against Mr. Kronk.   Further, Kronk’s past  is totally irrelevant to the issue of Casey’s guilt or innocence. Even if the intent was solely to raise doubt in the minds of the jury by casting suspicion upon someone, anyone else, you don’t tip your hand before trial.   It serves no useful or legitimate purpose other than perhaps, to gain for the lawyer filing the motion, more face-time on television.   And, didn’t this clumsy move give the Prosecution plenty of time and a clear shot to neutralize this “strategy?”

The mistake made herein by the Defense was actually though, a basic one, as implied in Judge Perry’s order.   In his ruling, the judge has left the door open for the Defense to implicate Mr. Kronk through the presentation of  circumstantial evidence at trial, of either the facts surrounding his finding of Caylee’s body, and/or any possible involvement by Mr. Kronk in Caylee’s death.  More simply put, the Defense gave away its strategy by utilizing the Rule Criminal of Procedure that requires not only disclosure of its intent to attack Kronk but, which also mandates disclosure of the specific facts to be relied upon .  It would have been far more stealthy and effective  to attack Kronk at trial, by way of circumstantial evidence and to then bring it home during final arguments, that either he was involved directly in Caylee’s death or had engaged in some impropriety during the discovery of her body, thereby tainting the crime scene, and rendering the evidence found there suspect and unreliable.

Don’t misunderstand me, it is certainly a legitimate  and oft-used  defense trial tactic to attempt to raise a reasonable doubt in jurors’ minds that it was not the defendant, who was the actual killer,  but some other person.  The prevailing wisdom however, is it is better to spread that suspicion among several people, both named and unnamed, as opposed to targeting a lone individual.  The more suspects the Defense can argue to the jury that may be responsible for Caylee’s disappearance and/or death the greater the possibility the jury can find a reasonable doubt, and possibly acquit, or at least, find that they are unable to come to a unanimous verdict. That strategy tends to put the prosecutors on the defensive and  serves as a distraction from the planned presentation of  their case at trial.   It results in  the expenditure of  the prosecutors’ time, energy, resources and focus.  I suspect that had Cheney Mason been involved from the beginning of the case, the issue of Mr. Kronk  may have been handled much differently.   Depending upon the level of his involvement during trial, we may yet see a different approach to the “some other dude did it” defense.  We’ll wait and see.

So many of you have asked me about “that Laura Buchanan woman .”  Laura Buchanan, a defense witness, had signed a sworn statement that in early September of 2008, she had personally searched the area where Caylee’s remains were ultimately found in December of 2008.  Buchanan stated, “It is my opinion that the remains of Caylee Anthony were not there during the time of our search.” Buchanan further asserted that “I personally searched near the privacy fence and worked my way towards and then beyond the spot where the body was found.  I did not notice anything unusual.”  Buchanan, it appeared, was to be a major witness for the Defense.  If she was to be believed, it opened the door for the Defense to argue that Caylee’s remains were placed at the location where they were ultimately discovered in December, after Casey was arrested and incarcerated the Orange County Correctional Facility.   Therefore, someone other than Casey had to have killed Caylee and discarded her body.  We know however, that Buchanan’s statement was refuted by a host of Texas EquuSearch volunteers who had searched the area around that location wherein Caylee’s remains were finally discovered, and had said that  exact location was not, and could not, have been searched, because it was under water.

Despite these contradictory witnesses however, the Defense could still use Buchanan to advance their theory that someone other than Casey had killed and discarded the child’s body  at the discovery location.  But alas, it is not meant to be.   The State Attorneys Office and  law enforcement investigators were relentless in their investigation of Ms. Buchanan’s assertions.   Ultimately, she folded and reversed course. Now, when asked during her deposition by Prosecutor Linda Drane Burdick whether she searched near the area where Caylee’s remains were found, Buchanan said, “I can’t say that to be true because I still to this day don’t [know] where she was found, what area or what she was near.” Later in her deposition, Buchanan stated, “I didn’t know where the remains of the child were, period.  I didn’t know. I was…I was shown something, pointed to it.”

Setting aside all of Ms. Buchanan’s considerable, other baggage (claiming to have seen Baby Caylee on a Disney monorail; retaining Texas EquuSearch documents and later “adding notes“ thereto before handing them over to the Defense; sending Jose Baez e-mails with photos of herself attached, among other things), her deposition statements, under oath, render her utterly worthless to the Defense now.

In reading her depositions you might wonder why Baez had asked Buchanan if she was aware that she “was the target of a criminal investigation.”  Because, surprisingly, he may, even in the face of her latest admissions, still try to use her at trial, arguing that her earlier statements were true and that she only changed her statements at deposition, out of fear of displeasing the State, together with being afraid that she, herself, could be charged with a crime.   Again, I would suspect that  a seasoned lawyer like Mr. Mason would disagree with such a foolish and risky maneuver. But again, we will see.

From my vantage point, like so many of you, I still view the State’s case as strong.  The Defense has still much work to do with little time left to accomplish it.  And, in the meantime, the noose is growing ever tighter around the neck of Miss Anthony.

For all of you who participate in the on-going lively, Casey case discussions on my blog site, even when I am absent, thank you.  I read what you write and enjoy your perspectives, wit and repartee.  I anticipate being free to write more often now, especially as Casey Anthony’s trial date rapidly approaches.

WJS

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  1. Brenda - NY said, on February 4, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Thank you Mr Sheaffer for your expertise on reviewing the case. I love reading your analogies. You make some terrific points about where the defense is trying to go with this case. I do hope the State has enough information to have the Jury convict on circumstantial evidence. I think we all want to see justice for Caylee Marie. It seems Baez is more interested in trying to prove that Casey had nothing to do with Caylee’s death than he is in Caylee.

  2. FRG said, on February 4, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Mr. Sheaffer,

    Thank you very much for the article!

    You see, I am not a lawyer but I had the same feeling that JB is going to use LB as a witness. I thought his questions to be very odd.

  3. Annie said, on February 4, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    YOU ARE A VERY CLASSY MAN…WOW,,, I love your interviews with the reporters on this case… You are so to the point ,,,no sugar coating.. to the point. Very hansome as well if I may say so :O)

    Please tell me that there is no way she can walk on this… I’m so conserned that with all this dancing around w the DT,, that they are up to somthing. I find it hard to believe that Mr. b and Mr M are that incompedent. or are they ?? really up to somthing??

    Keep up the awesome work .

    Annie from Texas

  4. art tart said, on February 4, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    KUDOS Mr. Sheaffer, thanks for your opinion on a couple of important parts of the case. I have enjoyed your analysis, especially your latest on the “complaint against Baez.” It seems since this case began, we have watched an inexperienced attorney, not gain confidence, credibility, or learn from embarassing mistakes that Judge P. has patiently tried to advise Baez on, but diminish in confidence, his disrespect for Judge Perry’s Courtroom has been appalling & I can’t help but wonder where his behavior will lead when the Verdict is delivered to KC. The Anthony’s imo, will scream that KC was convicted because the lack of experience of Baez. WHY is Baez acting as “lead attorney” when C Mason is qualified to be lead attorney?

    You have commented previously how this case will “stick to the Attorney’s involved,” the new APPEAL Attorney will claim “incompetence of those representing KC now,” I can’t help but wonder if the Appeal Attorney will claim “monies were wasted in KC’s trust account or mismanaged. I can’t believe for $ 325,000.00 KC will feel she got a good deal with Baez & his representation & wonder what she paid for besides a lot of failed Motions.”

  5. art tart said, on February 4, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    Mr. Sheaffer, thanks for the new article, thanks for your insight! GEEZ, this case is interesting on so many levels, it has become a “train wreck I can’t turn away from but I WANT JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE” so I can’t quit keeping up with her case. Thanks for your expertise in “seperating the most important areas & explaining them” is much appreciated.

    After watching Baez since the beginning of the case, I am still appalled everytime I watch him in Court, his arrogance, ineptitude, lack of being preparedness are glaring even to those of us that are not attorney’s. The Sanction didn’t seem to make much of an impression on Baez but clearly, this latest “complaint to the Licensing Board has made an impression on him.” Thanks too for your analysis on the Bar Complaint which most of us feel was long overdue!

    WHY isn’t C Mason acting as LEAD ATTORNEY when a “3yr. attorney” took KC’s case, her life is on the line, & he continues to operate as her “lead attorney?” WHY is this allowed? Where is the JUSTICE in that? (or, LOL, maybe it is Justice!)

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  7. Cyberborg said, on February 4, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Love your articulate analysis of the Casey anthony case and Kathi is a superb double-act! You have another fan.

    My opinion on the Defense strategy is purely to … delay, delay, delay. Like the Seinfeld show about Nothing … the Defense has little to nothing from the Experts as a rebuttal and counter to the Prosecution’s case. They are in a mode of damage control and face saving, to seed propaganda that they have something when they do not. Nada.

    The Defense so desperately want to get around a table at the end of the monh to develop a new story, a new script and get the expert opinions to support it. The Prosecution keeps on diligently dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s and removing all doubt — knocking it out of the park. The Defense cannot catch a break. Doh! They need to gag themselves.

    When the poker hands on expert reciprocal discovery are ultimately called this month we shall see … it is all primarily a bluff. Casey needs to plea.

  8. Whoops said, on February 4, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    Mr. Sheaffer, the only question I have is; why did J. Chaney Mason hitch his horse to Jose Baez’ wagon?

  9. Doug Wollenburg said, on February 4, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    Baez’z remarks about JAC’s “slave wages” didn’t seem to sit well with Judge Perry. And if I was Mason, I also would sit back and let the lead attorney handle the case and answer the questions about why he’s missing deadlines (I thought I saw a smirk on Masons face when Baez was getting reamed) like at the last hearing when Mason tried to explain Baez’z behavior, let Baez explain himself.

  10. Whoops said, on February 4, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    Doug, I addressed the “slave wages” comment on the previous thread. I am sure, you are right about Mason smirking but if I’m not mistaken, I thought I saw him shaking his head a little. Like “Oh shit, why did I sign on to this idiot’s parade.

  11. mixologist74 said, on February 4, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    LOL Whoops…I was just going to type out basically the same comment you made about Mason. It certainly did look as if Mason was having an “oh shit” moment, hanging his head and looking like he just wanted the hell outta there.

  12. Noreen said, on February 4, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Mr.Scheaffer,thank you for all your messages.you speak the truth! In my opinion and mine only, I feel Baez will not let Mr.Mason become lead attorney. He should. He does not have enough knowledge for this case. A word,try to read Caseys’ diary if you havent already.Anyone who reads it,read EVERYWORD.

    In My OWN Opinion.

  13. frogs said, on February 4, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    Thank you sir for the new post.

    A question which nags at me is, after KC’s guilty verdict is handed down, whether she will be able to get a court-appointed attorney (ie, at taxpayer cost) to appeal on ineffective assistance of counsel, or whether she must hire her own attorney at her own cost?

  14. Whoops said, on February 5, 2011 at 12:19 am

    frogs,

    Simply put, Casey is indigent for costs which means that on appeal a court appointed attorney will represent her as an appeal is automatic if she is convicted of First Degree Capital Murder no matter whether it is IAOC or not.

  15. Whoops said, on February 5, 2011 at 12:30 am

    Noreen and others, let me explain this once again here. It doesn’t matter who is the lead attorney. Jose Baez is the attorney of record and as long as he has a DP qualified attorney on the defense team, he can be lead although, one would think that CM would be however, I doubt CM wants the loss to be attributed to him as lead attorney, which is why he is primarily in the background as is Finnell who is also DP qualified. And Ms. Finnell I am sure doesn’t want to be lead either since she is primarily there for the penalty phase not the guilt phase.

  16. BEES KNEES said, on February 5, 2011 at 12:37 am

    Mr. Sheaffer, as always it is reassuring to hear your expert analysis interpretting the mysteries of Judge Perry’s courtroom to us. So much so that I encourage you to consider sharing your wisdom with us every day from now till the end of trial. What? Too much? LOL! Well . . . think about it. In the meantime I am wondering what you think about the chance of a plea deal being struck before the trial starts. Do you think that ship sailed a long time ago, never to return, or could it still happen?

  17. Anti Rumours and Weeds said, on February 5, 2011 at 12:45 am

    Good Evening Mr. Sheaffer et al:

    Appreciate the objective analysis!

    A fellow blogger sent me something quite humorous , actually rather facetious…

    Wiley Coyote tweets.. Free ACME HANDBOOK on LAW! Couldn’t hurt…LOL
    Watching the DT is so frustrating, I needed the second glass of vino. Contempt charges on the horizon?

    Thanks again, look forward to posting here again!

  18. Whoops said, on February 5, 2011 at 12:47 am

    frogs, let me qualify my earlier comment by saying that if Baez and Mason would be willing to represent her on appeal pro bono. I doubt that J. Chaney Mason would be willing to do that and if what we read is true, Baez will be relegated back to his Bikini Business.

  19. Whoops said, on February 5, 2011 at 12:52 am

    Hi Rumors, you have been missed. Welcome back.

  20. Anti Rumours and Weeds said, on February 5, 2011 at 12:55 am

    Thank you, Whoops

  21. Whoops said, on February 5, 2011 at 1:03 am

    Rumours, do you think that Conway was the one to report the misconduct of Baez to the Court? I hope for his sake that he did. I have the sneaky feeling that he knows a lot more because of his representation of the Anthonys but can’t reveal it because of Attorney Client Privilege. I think he did to cover his rear end and rightfully so.

  22. Judypc said, on February 5, 2011 at 1:04 am

    Appears Jokin Jose’ has had his moment in the sun and is now reaping his rewards.
    Things aren’t going very well for him, now is he gonn’a cry the judge is mean to me, I want a new one again?

    He has pissed away over two years, and NOW can’t get his act together, go figure….
    How many of us have had to shake our heads in wonder at his stupid pet tricks?
    Now, he must play with the cards he has dealt himself and the game is only going to get more intense.

    I foresee many problems ahead for jokin jose’ his days of wine and roses are far behind him now he is looking at skunky beer and poison ivy laws of Karma what you put out in the world is what you get back X3.

  23. Anti Rumours and Weeds said, on February 5, 2011 at 1:04 am

    Perhaps ” Strategies” for the Defense should be – they get ONE! Or pick one. Gives one head spins.

  24. Judypc said, on February 5, 2011 at 1:08 am

    Whoops I whole heartily believe Brad Conway filed a complaint.
    Then throw in the misconduct in the Laura B mess and the Bar has plenty on their plate, I believe this is the 3rd or 4th complaint of “misconduct” I dare say they are going to take a much harder look this time, that is a lot of smoke to have no fire.

  25. Judypc said, on February 5, 2011 at 1:10 am

    I have to also think the Bar is going to question “where the hell did the money go?”

  26. Whoops said, on February 5, 2011 at 1:19 am

    halle stinkin’ lula Judy. Finally after all this time you and I have agreed whole heartedly on an issue. Will wonders never cease? Just Kiddin’ friend. What I can’t wrap my noodle around is if Baez did something so egregious as lying to the Court, will they really wait till the trial is over before they sanction or disbar him?

  27. Anti Rumours and Weeds said, on February 5, 2011 at 1:20 am

    Whoops, initially I thought it was Conway. Theory, post resignation/separation. Conway consulted with Nejame, and Investigators.
    agreed it would be incumbent upon Conway to be the one to file the grievance. Its all a bitter pill, my question WHEN did Conway figure this out?

  28. Anti Rumours and Weeds said, on February 5, 2011 at 1:31 am

    IMO many if not all the players lost creditability. CYA comes to mind. Conway blatantly lied on National Television. Other-wards, how long did he know, and when did he finally report it? Geesh, the case makes me cynical.

  29. Whoops said, on February 5, 2011 at 1:33 am

    Rumours, I think he knew from the moment he figured out that LB and CA became bosom buddies hence his departure from the Anthonys. I think that it was in the past couple weeks that Conway figured out that he needed to protect his rep. and filed thanks to Nejame.

  30. Anti Rumours and Weeds said, on February 5, 2011 at 1:33 am

    Folks, signing off..Long day and Week.

    Hold the Fort Down.

  31. Judypc said, on February 5, 2011 at 2:07 am

    Whoops, I would assume that depending on the complaint made, and what the Bar decides they very well could whack him off at the knees before trial.

    “IF” he did something that is bad enough to suffer harsh sanction’s or disbarment imo it would be best to happen before trial, get this case in the hands of a real lawyer.

    EGADS his actions alone have given rise to a fist full of appeals.
    If found guilty she has an auto appeal right from jump, but good night he has given a whole laundry list of reasons for her to receive another trial.

    I am sorry but and do not mean to offend anyone, but this guy should not be anywhere near a court house unless it is to face a judge and be hauled off to (a) jail-(b) the dang fruit loop factory.

  32. LindaNewYork said, on February 5, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Great to hear a seasoned attorney validate what most of us think of the “Roy Kronk” as a reasonable doubt / SODDI defense.

  33. Maggie said, on February 5, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Great Article. I think CM stepped in, knowing Bozo was really, really, inexperienced. Finnell, well she’s doing her job, as stated by JA yesterday, she seems to be a great attorney, and not doing for publicity. CM will probably step in when the trial begins, for the simple fact of his reputation. I whole heartedly agree that lawyers talk with each other, even if they disagree. CM has rep to hold, Brad Conway was probably told by NeJame that he better get the heck out of dodge, that the Anthony’s simply are liars, period. I felt at yesterday’s hearing the JP is pretty much getting fed up. He’s a Judge, he can’t show emotion, but he definately was stern yesterday, which gives me hope for a fair trial. What has been so bazaar about this case, is that so many attorneys and big named so called experts came in to ride a gravy train of publicity. Hopefully, for those it helps sell your books, especially the Twitter Queen. I guess what I’m trying to say is how good are these so called pro-bono attorney’s and experts when they know with all the evidence, all the lies, all the MISTRUTHS (Cindy) that a beautiful 2 year old little girl, was so taken from this world, for the sake of selfishness and really one hell of a immature mother. If we as a society allow this type of behavior not only of Casey, her family, but down right justice in the courtroom, then God help us all.

  34. me4sure said, on February 5, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Thank you for your explanations and insight in this case.. Mr. Baez comes into the hearings looking and acting so unprepared.. Is this a strategy that is used by the defense to get a new trial for Casey Anthony? Although I don’t see where that would really help her since Judge Perry says he is willing to try it again and the facts won’t change…Has me confused.

  35. Queen La Tweeta said, on February 5, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    @KathyReichs Kathy Reichs
    And it all looks very very deep. The sea. Not the truth.

    http://twitter.com/#!/KathyReichs

  36. whatawaste said, on February 5, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    What makes the lie in court so bad is that it affected TES. A volunteer group.
    Ultimately Judge Perry ruled on that motion in favor of releasing more TES documents.
    And Mason said during their presser after the hearing that Judge Perry was also giving the defense access to their financial documents.
    Both Mason and Baez misrepresented the Judge’s ruling.
    Both should be held accountable.

  37. Queen La Tweeta said, on February 5, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Maggie said, on February 5, 2011 at 10:16 am
    I think CM stepped in, knowing Bozo was really, really, inexperienced. Finnell, well she’s doing her job

    I wonder what kind of deal with the devil Mason made with Baez? Baez is not a DP qualified attorney and I wonder if Mason was brought on board because they knew back in March/April 2010 Lyon was leaving?

  38. kathlb said, on February 5, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    me4sure, I wondered the same thing. At some point the direction of the wind seemed to change. It went from JB working leisurely in the background and plotting strategy, to his making horrible mistakes and acting stupid just as Cindy is in stating that after all this time she believes now that Caylee is alive. Setting up a mental breakdown defense for herself when charged with tampering with evidence and lying. Could Jose be doing the same thing since they are totally bereft of a defense and can be shown to have done unethical and in some cases almost illegal means. So, we just start doing all of that to get Casey (who is in on it) to file ineffectual counsel after the fiasco of the trial and her guilty charge. It’s hard to know just where Jose’s sick mind is taking him but I see he and Cindy as developing a strategy for the end game if they need one.

    And before I forget I wanted to thank you Bill for being there for us with Kathi and in your blog here to explain what we don’t understand and to cut through the lies and foolish actions to take us to the truth of the matter. You are very much appreciated and I am looking forward to having you with us at trial time also. It’s going to be an interesting ride I think. :-)

  39. BEES KNEES said, on February 5, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    I foresee many problems ahead for jokin jose’ his days of wine and roses are far behind him now he is looking at skunky beer and poison ivy laws of Karma what you put out in the world is what you get back X3.

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    Judy nothing takes me to my happy place faster than imagining baez’s dark, doomed future but I’m starting to wonder if that’s ever going to happen. What if he is disbarred but goes on to write books, do the talk-show circuit etc? Isn’t that what he seems to want from it all anyway? Some type of fame. Or infamey? Hopefully he so thoroughly disgraces himself that no one will ever want to hear a word he says but, again . . . look at our present celebrity-obsessed society. Look at the popularity of shows like Geraldos, Nancy Grace etc. I hate to say it but it does worry me.

  40. frankie said, on February 5, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    Things I wonder about:

    1. Is jose trying to so frustrate CJPerry that he will explode and have to recuse himself? jose played the poor, poor pitiful Hispanic early on and it didn’t fly. I could NOT believe he showed the entire Black community his disdain for the evils of slavery by stating that his “experts” were being paid “slave wages”! That is beyond ridiculous and insulting.

    2. Will the final patsy be georgette or sindy? The other SODDIs have been smacked down by the State…..watch out georgette, methinks you might be in BIG TROUBLE!! casey wouldn’t hesitate to shove either of her parents under the bus!

  41. Kerry said, on February 6, 2011 at 12:21 am

    Whoops said, “Mr. Sheaffer, the only question I have is; why did J. Chaney Mason hitch his horse to Jose Baez’ wagon?”.

    You and me both Whoops. What possessed this well respected attorney, who previously opined that because of Casey Anthony’s defense attorneys (Baez et al)and her own family’s media mongering along with the material facts of the case (31 days, party, party, etc.) she would likely get no less then LWOP so her attorney should basically just give it up now, to jump on the bandwagon. What’s the story?

    Was Cheney Mason mislead? A 40 year track record in the Florida courts as an ethical, very competent attorney, even called one of the most nationally renowned attorneys, and he’s stooped to this? He presently looks like a shell of the man who blustered outside of the courtroom that “Casey Anthony would waltz out of court on his arm and he’s chosen to represent her because he’s getting ready to retire and it’s fun!”. It is noted that he’s taken on atleast 2 more high profile cases since he made the announcement that he’s “retired”.

    Don’t tell me that a wise attorney like Mr. Cheney Mason believed Laura Buchanan’s BS story? Really? I’m disappointed. But then I recall the Angel of Death Row Ms Lyon and her colleague M. Smith believed Joy Wray and her story. They even met with her to develop the photos. I wonder if those were the ones that Joy hung upside of a tree to take?

  42. Terrytsk said, on February 6, 2011 at 12:48 am

    Sorry, I was Terrytsk and the name Kerry is unrelated to this forum. It’s related to another wordpress forum and automatically signed me in as Kerry.

    I haven’t been participating here because every time I even went to read comments my computer seized and I had to reboot. I gave up. When a new post went up I figured the problem would be solved and it was.

    Anyways, it is interesting. We’ve all heard Cheney Mason is kind of “losing it” these days. Poor Kathy’s foot! What made Mason choose to involve himself in this case. Even Judge Perry didn’t bother to say his usual, “Mr. Cheney can tell you that you have to ……… ( about scheduling a hearing for a motion). He just tutored Baez on proper procedure as his experienced co-counsel Mason sat there in a stupor. Oh sure, he called out as usual saying “what’d you say, or who was that?”. It’s gotten old. I’m not convinced that Mason’s hearing aids are that ineffectual. I think he’s got selective hearing. The good old boy, I’m old and can’t hear ya, and i just can’t see anymore is getting really old. The man takes off his glasses to read FGS.

  43. Terrytsk said, on February 6, 2011 at 1:24 am

    Frankie said, “Is jose trying to so frustrate CJPerry that he will explode and have to recuse himself?”.

    Good heavens no. No judge, including Judge Stan Strickland, would even consider recusing themselves because some young (BTW 42 years old is young? that’s a big stretch Mr. Mason), inexperienced bumbling fool is making a “muck” of justice? Come on what’s a “muck of justice”?. He obviously meant to say a “mockery of justice” as his co-counsel fed to him and he messed up and blurted out a “muck of justice”. I think it was Linda Kenny Baden who tried to get him to say a mockery of justice, but I can’t say for sure.

    My point, no judge would decide to recuse themselves because Jose Baez (et al) are giving them a hard time. Judge Strickland made a decision in the interest of a fair trial and justice and he wanted no possible sense of impropriety on his part to be considered. He would never have been concerned that either party was frustrating him and giving him a hard time and neither will Judge Perry. Hell, the judge can just charge them with contempt if they get too out of line.

  44. Terrytsk said, on February 6, 2011 at 1:45 am

    Good heavens, it’s me one last time. Frankie, I thought it was more of a contentious issue related to Judge Perry for Baez to say, “paying JAC slave wages for his experts” because Judge Perry is the guy in charge of the JAC budget. Or maybe not in charge, but in his position of Chief Judge he holds the purse strings (? I think). Or he certainly is at least one of the “powers that be” who decide on the JAC “slave wages”. What possessed Baez to say that? (I don’t think Judge Perry reacted to the slave wage thing as a black man as some people say). Mason’s facial reaction was one of, “oh shit!”.

  45. char said, on February 6, 2011 at 9:10 am

    I to would like to know why Atty Mason signed on to this case? Did he forget his statements he made about this case before signing on? He doesn’t seem to be adding too much to the case or giving baez any expert advise. But than again you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink so who knows. It just baffles me why he signed on or why he continues to stay.

    I also thought it was very childish of baez to turn and lay that paper about all the tweets back on the state’s desk like he did. He needs to grow up.

  46. Hazaka said, on February 6, 2011 at 9:25 am

    char said, on February 6, 2011 at 9:10 am
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    So, do you feel better now?

  47. Suzanna said, on February 6, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Thank you so very much, dear Mr. Sheaffer, for this great article! And for each of your excellent interviews with Kathy Belich too! I always breathe easier and understand more
    after hearing your input and opinions on this case.
    I agree with Annie earlier in this thread, that you are certainly a classy and handsome gentleman as well as being brilliant at what you do. I have great respect for you and look forward to reading articles written by you more often now!
    It was a relief to hear you say that what Mr. Baez has done is next to the most serious
    ethics charge a lawyer can face. It would be unbelievable for him to continue to get away with all that he has done.

  48. Suzanna said, on February 6, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    …and not done!

  49. Doug Wollenburg said, on February 7, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    Want to see Mason turn tail and bolt (run)?? Watch WFTV’s Video Report “Lead attorney takes heat”, Mason is a few feet behind Mason, other reporters are there also, but when Ms. Belich asks Baez about losing his license Mason holds up his hand says something then bolts to his right away from WFTV, while Baez turns to see what happened…lol

  50. Terrytsk said, on February 7, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    Quote Bill Sheaffer, “I suspect that had Cheney Mason been involved from the beginning of the case, the issue of Mr. Kronk may have been handled much differently. Depending upon the level of his involvement during trial, we may yet see a different approach to the “some other dude did it” defense. We’ll wait and see”.

    I agree. I think the defense team has something up their sleeve. SODDI. Someone with some kind of history related to the case that could make them a feasible suspect that they will suddenly pull out of their @zzez, I mean their hats, during trial.

    The possibilities are endless. Did they actually find a searcher who is a RSO? Or one who has had any kind of allegations of abuse against a child or woman? The defense never bring up Jim Hoover. He ingratiated himself into this case offering to work for free and then body slammed them. He also approached TES asking for anonymity and asked them to check out the area near Suburban. Then he filmed Dominic Casey’s search of the dump site a month before the remains were found. I’m NOT suggesting he’s involved, but how come the defense aren’t?

    Cheney Mason had a reason for involving himself in this cesspool. Bill’s suggestion that it may be to prove SODDI makes sense to me. Reasonable doubt.

  51. Whoops said, on February 7, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    Terrytsk,

    “Bill’s suggestion that it may be to prove SODDI makes sense to me. Reasonable doubt.”?

    Terrry, With all due respect, I didn’t see where Mr Sheaffer indicated that SODDI made sense to me. Reasonable doubt” in his comment. Nothing will ever negate the fact that Caylee was not reported missing for 31 days. All the speculation in the world can only indicate that the Anthony family was covering up for their granddaughter, daughter and sister and were in cover up mode from the get go. This case in my humble opinion rests on “31″ days and no one will convince me otherwise or a jury. I have children and many grandchildren and I know where they are because of this time in history.

    Casey. George, Cindy and Lee Anthony are in my humble opinion four of the worst cretins and narcissists on the planet earth for covering up the murder of their daughter, granddaughter and niece. Lee is most culpable in my opinion as it is my belief that he is the one who helped Casey dispose of Caylee. I have my reasons to believe that but at the fear of being sued, I will not post it here other than to say that Lee gave it up at that sham of a memorial for Caylee.

    When George, Cindy and Lee go to prison for obstruction, lying to the police and the Grand Jury, Justice will truly prevail for Caylee Marie Anthony.

  52. Terrytsk said, on February 8, 2011 at 12:14 am

    Whoops, I took a part of Mr. Sheaffer’s article and where he clearly stated,

    “I suspect that had Cheney Mason been involved from the beginning of the case, the issue of Mr. Kronk may have been handled much differently. Depending upon the level of his involvement during trial, we may yet see a different approach to the “some other dude did it” defense. We’ll wait and see”.

    Those were not my words. They were Bill Sheaffer’s written words. His opinion. You want to argue his words and opinions, then argue with him. I took his comment and added my thoughts. You want to argue with my thoughts, then argue with my thoughts.

    I won’t speak for him, but I will speak for myself. I believe that the defense will be trying to blame some other dude for Caylee’s death. Some other dude did it? Yeah. That will be their defense. Who will it be? I have no idea. They probably have some one in mind. I pointed out Jim Hoover. I pointed out a RSO. There’s also any of the guys that Casey was in contact with. There were many!

    I recall earlier when following this case that some guys she hung out with were identified as being involved in drugs and other criminal activity to do with stolen cars etc. Maybe the defense is going to focus on those unsavory people. Who knows where they’re going? I think LE and the SA’s know even thought we don’t.

    George, Cindy and Lee don’t even relate to the idea of SODDI which is the part of the article that I quoted and addressed. I’m not trying to argue or be offensive.

  53. Whoops said, on February 8, 2011 at 12:51 am

    Terrytsk,

    We have as far as I can recall that you and I have had a reasonable and intelligent dialog between us. I don’t have to agree with Mr. Sheaffer’s opinion as gospel no more that anyone else, I stated my opinion and if you wish to attack my opinion, so be it. I don’t need to be here. Cindy, George and Lee most definitely have been of the opinion that SODDI in their defense of Casey. I didn’t say you were trying to argue or be defensive, those are your words. I prefaced my comment to you “with all due respect”. Unfortunately you didn’t respond in kind. Your condescending remark and talking down to me leaves me cold. I am freaking’ out of her for good. Maybe you and “Hazaka” can have a better discussion.

  54. Whoops said, on February 8, 2011 at 1:03 am

    Oh, and by the way Kerry, Jerry or Terry whoever you wish to be good luck with the “Haz” having an intelligent conversation.

  55. Terrytsk said, on February 8, 2011 at 1:22 am

    Condescending and talking down to you? I’ve reread my comment and don’t see it. If I was, I apologise for being rude because that was not my intention. George, Cindy and Lee really and truly may be of the opinion that SODDI. That’s what they want to think or that’s just what they want the public to think. So be it.

    I was not speaking for Bill and I agree his word is not gospel, although he is a well seasoned attorney and it is his blog. I’m guessing he knows what he’s talking about. I’m speaking for myself. I personally don’t believe that SODDI but I believe that the defense will justifiably go that route. That is their job. I was merely guessing which of the SODDI guys they would ultimately try to blame.

    Don’t leave on my behalf. Your input and opinions are likely more consistent and obviously less abrasive then mine.

  56. theJBmission said, on February 8, 2011 at 2:20 am

    Hello everyone,
    Happy to read Bill Sheaffer’s new article and opened a new thread for all of you “Bill Sheafferettes” :D
    All in fun..
    I enjoyed reading Bill Sheaffer’s perspective. I wish I could borrow him for a few minutes. I have a few questions I’d like to ask him about the behavior of the SAO’s. I can’t help but notice some desperate antics JA is partaking in. I can’t help but wonder if this is normal and expected behavior of prosecutors when trying a high profile defendant.
    As for what Baez and Mason have planned for Buchanan, I’m wondering too:
    Quote:
    In reading her depositions you might wonder why Baez had asked Buchanan if she was aware that she “was the target of a criminal investigation.” Because, surprisingly, he may, even in the face of her latest admissions, still try to use her at trial, arguing that her earlier statements were true and that she only changed her statements at deposition, out of fear of displeasing the State, together with being afraid that she, herself, could be charged with a crime. Again, I would suspect that a seasoned lawyer like Mr. Mason would disagree with such a foolish and risky maneuver. But again, we will see.
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    It probably was alarming for LB to know that the State was after her. I don’t blame her for side stepping from her claim especially after the “controlled phone call” game that was played on her. Who wouldn’t be reluctant to testify for the defense now? I was wondering if this is bordering on badgering a witness? I’m not sure of the legal term for what was done to her but whatever its called I think it was pathetic that the State’s office had to stoop to this level to rid themselves of “one” witness which could be perceived as a sign of weakness for them because that’s the way I see it. But again, we will see.
    I agree.

  57. Autumn said, on February 8, 2011 at 2:32 am

    Yes! A new article! Thank you, Mr. Schaeffer!

    Regarding SODDI, can we completely omit George from the defense’s list of possible SODDI suspects? It has been alleged that both he and Lee have sexually assaulted Casey, and George allegedly was the last person to have seen Caylee alive, other than Casey.

    Might the defense, at some point during trial, turn this around on George and cause him to appear suspect, which could be furthered by the assertion that Casey has merely been protecting her father?

    I agree that the 31 days is key to this case, but aside from a few instances of Cindy inquiring about the whereabouts of Caylee, as far as I know George made no such inquiries and initiated no search so that it could be said that he knew she was dead, couldn’t it?

    To this feeble mind, it makes more sense to point the finger back at George than to raise doubt about Roy Kronk or Jesse, though most certainly the only person responsible for Caylee’s death is none other than Casey.

  58. Valhall said, on February 8, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Thank you Mr. Sheaffer! Most informative and excellent article – as always!

  59. Terrytsk said, on February 8, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Autumn you’re quite right when you said, “Regarding SODDI, can we completely omit George from the defense’s list of possible SODDI suspects? It has been alleged that both he and Lee have sexually assaulted Casey, and George allegedly was the last person to have seen Caylee alive, other than Casey”.

    Maybe George will be the fall guy who creates reasonable doubt. Maybe even willingly. Who knows? But wouldn’t he then be charged with the murder of his granddaughter? I’m not a lawyer obviously, but I woud think someone will eventually have to pay for the murder of this 2 year old child.

    My own personal opinion is, it will be someone that’s in the picture (who’s been under the radar so far) and the esteemed defense team are deliberately keeping it under wraps for the reasons that Bill Sheaffer has stated.

    That’s just my opinion. I don’t claim to be an expert and I don’t even claim my instincts are right.

    And Whoops if my tone was hurtful, I apologise. I hope you’re not really “out of here”. You participate more on this blog then I do and I don’t want to chase you away.

  60. Autumn said, on February 8, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Terrytsk, do you think Tony Lazarro might be one of those who, as you say, are under the radar?

  61. Judypc said, on February 8, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    I have long said George is the prime candidate for the SODDI, for all the reasons Autumn just posted above.

    (1) George himself stated he was last to see Caylee.
    (2) The claim of abuse.
    (3) Georges temper.
    (4) other statements that can be construed that he knew where the body was.
    this is just the tip of the iceberg that could be the sinking of George.

  62. Terrytsk said, on February 8, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Bill wrote a really long article where he shared his thoughts on how this case is unfolding and what we may expect. I personally focused on his comments regarding Mr. Cheney Mason’s involvement because I and many others have been trying to figure out Mason’s reasons for taking this pro bono case after he “retired”. Other then because it’s fun of course. I guess that question is redundant because he has not, by any stretch of the imagination, retired. He’s sure getting a lot of air time though. Maybe that was the reason. It just might come back to bite him in the azz.

    Autumn, I have no idea who the SODDI fall guy/gal may end up being. The possibilities are endless. I guess George is a good possibility, especially if he continues to lie in a last ditch effort to save his daughter, but wouldn’t they then charge George? I find it confusing.

  63. Hazaka said, on February 9, 2011 at 7:04 am

    Whoops said, on February 8, 2011 at 12:51 am
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    And your problem with “me” is?

  64. Autumn said, on February 9, 2011 at 8:31 am

    Terrytsk, it is confusing. Maybe Mr. Schaeffer will weigh in on whether an investigation would be conducted or charges brought against someone in a SODDI defense. I think not unless there is some clear cut evidence or strong circumstantial to support the possibility, which I don’t believe there is. I’m going to look into it though.

    It’s sickening to think that if the defense is able to create the reasonable doubt it seeks and the evidence against Casey is thrown out, no one will be charged, tried, and convicted for Caylee’s death. She’d become another tragic cold case statistic.
    It’s doubly maddening to think that if that happens the defense will wear Casey like a trophy and laugh all of the way to the bank.

  65. Hazaka said, on February 9, 2011 at 8:43 am

    Autumn said, on February 9, 2011 at 8:31 am
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    You truly believe alll that you wrote?

  66. Autumn said, on February 9, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Hazaka, I don’t want to believe it. I believe the state has a strong case against Casey and odds are that she’s going to be convicted. There remains that remote possibility though that the defense will be able to convince the jury that some other dude did it.

    Mr. Schaeffer said, “The more suspects the Defense can argue to the jury that may be responsible for Caylee’s disappearance and/or death the greater the possibility the jury can find a reasonable doubt, and possibly acquit, or at least, find that they are unable to come to a unanimous verdict.”

    I find reasonable doubt troubling.

    In his article Mr Schaeffer said, “I suspect that had Cheney Mason been involved from the beginning of the case, the issue of Mr. Kronk may have been handled much differently. Depending upon the level of his involvement during trial, we may yet see a different approach to the “some other dude did it” defense.”

    Mason’s distanced himself from the matter of Kronk, I think, but isn’t George a possible target, and how might Mason deal with him at trial considering what Mr. Schaeffer said?

  67. Terrytsk said, on February 9, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    I guess when I think of the SODDI defense, I picture the Perry (not Cheney) Mason moment when the real killer is identified. Obviously that was a really old TV show. I guess my question would be, couldn’t the state counter attack the defense claims of George’s possible motive, means, etc. and bring it back to Casey? If George were to not rebut (thereby acknowledging as true) whatever the defense presented as evidence that he was the murderer, wouldn’t he then be considered a viable suspect? Or would it all go away and Casey would get away with murdering her baby and George would never be tried, but always be thought of as the murderer of his grandchild? Then Casey and Cindy would live happily ever after earning their living through media appearances and a True Life TV movie? And Jose Baez would bask in the glory of accomplishing the impossible, getting an obvious sociopathic child murderer off. I just don’t think it will work out that way. 12 jurors will not be that obtuse. Cheney (not Perry) Mason will not be strolling out of the court room with Casey on his arm as he boasted. IMO.

  68. art tart said, on February 9, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Morning friends, many good comments. I too agree with those that “suspect or expect Gas Can George to be thrown under the bus.” imo, after the car was picked up at Johnson Towing Yard, GA knew: Car trunk w/smell of decomp + missing Caylee + hair w/deathband = Caylee is dead at the hand’s of KC.

    There are more reasons for the Defense to point fingers at GA than Roy Kronk. GA is the weakest link in the Anthony family, the most unstable, & the STATE is already looking into the lies he told between his State Deposition & Grand Jury Testimony.

    jujdypc listed some of the reason’s WHY GA may be thrown under the bus, there are countless, ALL MORE BELIEVEABLE imo, than Roy Kronk. The Defense is desperate, they are running out of time, the Baez Firm works for KC, NOT the Anthony’s, the Defense owes the Anthony’s nothing! In trying to “create reasonable doubt, the Defense can’t just point fingers at someone, they have to base it in reality meaning there have to be “some facts” to validate their position. It’s a tough call, who ya gonna believe, the Liar George or the Liar KC? The whole family lies/inconsistent. We shall see.

    hey jbmission, long time no see! jmo, JA has had a gut full of the infantile behavior of Baez & so has Judge P, IGNORANCE or incompetence or “no excuse in the law.” It’s shameful at the extent Judge P has repeatedly explained the law to Baez, but for some reason, Baez continues to act consistently inept. I am surprised you don’t want him replaced & a competent attorney represent KC so she at least gets a fair trial. For $ 325,000.00 KC got Baez, & I read a couple of places that Attorney’s think Baez will be “punished after the Verdict, his actions as B SHeffer said will not effect KC’s trial,” IF Conway is the one that placed the complaint against Baez, the inexperienced 3 yr. attorney with 2 yrs. on the job training, with a shady past, reprimands, & a a sanction. Who ya gonna believe again, Conway or the shady, lying, former defunct bikini shop owner? You might say Baez, but I don’t think many will agree with you.

  69. Actually said, on February 9, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    Can you imagine Baez peddling bikinis on Cocoa Beach? I wonder if he’d plaster his nose with zinc oxide, hide behind a large pair of Panama Jack’s and a big straw hat with a band that matched his speedo’s. Oh and flipflops! Designer flipflops! Purple ones.

    Oh, that wasn’t very nice of me, was it? Delete it whoever moderates here if you want. I’ll understand.

    Seriously though, Aston for one will make mincemeat out of whatever defense Mason and Baez put on. In the end it will all boil down to how each individual juror processes the information. Who would have thought a jury would find OJay innocent, and all over a glove that probably stiffened and shrunk in storage after so long.

  70. Terrytsk said, on February 9, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    Actually said, “In the end it will all boil down to how each individual juror processes the information”.

    Yeah. I can see that. Their SODDI defense, whether it’s George or not, has to stand up to the test of common sense from the jurors. Good hell, Baez (et al) could say Caylee was abducted by aliens. That doesn’t mean the jury will buy it hook, line and sinker just because the defense are offering it up as a possibility. Let’s give the prosecutors some credit here.

    BTW, the purple designer flip flops are not nearly as offensive as the thought of Baez wearing a big straw hat and a speedo. I mean please!!!!!!

  71. BEES KNEES said, on February 9, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    I firmly believe that anyone who still, in the face of everything we have seen and heard, can defend jose baez must be employed by him. Can there possibly be any other reason? Unless they really hate casey and only want what is worse for her. HA HA HA!!! And kudos to the very skilled Mr. Jeff Ashton! Let’s not forget that Mr. Ashton is the veteran assistant state attorney who helped successfully get DNA findings introduced in a 1987 Orange County rape case. He deserves our respect. I continue to thank God Caylee has only the BEST on her side and casey only the worst. Mr. Ashton and Linda Drane Burdick deserve all the praise they are getting and will continue to get. I hope this case makes their careers. I’m sure it will. Just as I am sure it will bury jose and his scummy supporters.

  72. Hazaka said, on February 9, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Autumn said, on February 9, 2011 at 10:18 am
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    Sorry was out all day . thanks for your reply …. at this point … I think it is really hard to truly know what the defense will posite ….and what are really the facts….. again..thank you for you reply!

  73. Autumn said, on February 9, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Oh, darn. I just realized a mistake I made earlier today when I signed in with the name Actually rather than Autumn. That’s what I get for thinking about what I wanted to post rather than paying attention to what I was writing, but it’s really not my fault. I’m blaming it on art tart for making me laugh so hard with the comment about Baez being a defunct bikini shop owner that I just simply lost it! I really didn’t know that about him. Now I’m laughing all over again, and it’s Terrytsk’s fault this time.

    Hazaka, you don’t have to thank me for replying to your post. The trial will be full of surprises no matter how much we think we know and how prepared for it we think we are. I can’t wait for May and will park my behind at WFTV to watch after the fact video.

  74. Autumn said, on February 10, 2011 at 9:27 am

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/05pdf/04-1327.pdf

    http://www.courts.wa.gov/content/Briefs/A02/379708%20reply.pdf

    I don’t know if you all will be interested but the above cited cases deal with SODDI, among other things, that are similar to the state’s case against Casey. The second link State v. Conley mentions specifically jailhouse witnesses, in limine and third party suspect (Soddi) witnesses.

    I hope the links work.

    I’ll be back later.

  75. Terrytsk said, on February 10, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Thanks for the links Autumn. I’m going to check them out. I’d like to have a basic understanding of the law and how it works in relation to the SODDI defense. I like reading the actual opinions because they spell out their reasons for reaching a decision that even a novice like me can understand.

  76. Terrytsk said, on February 10, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    Autumn, I checked out your link posted above, “http://www.courts.wa.gov/content/Briefs/A02/379708%20reply.pdf

    I’m not sure what I was supposed to be looking for that related to this case. I finally googled the involved parties and found this,

    http://tdn.com/news/article_3dd83703-b61d-5f81-9f20-e0b7d04b25e9.html
    “The jury found Conley guilty despite testimony Monday by Weller-Childers that Conley was not the shooter. His testimony contradicted his earlier statements to sheriff’s detectives and attorneys”.

    What am I missing here? How does it relate to Caylee’s murder case? This guy won his appeal, but I still don’t get it. Jail house informant testimony? Like Casey Anthony? I can’t see the jail house informants (Robin and Mayah) making or breaking this case.

    It delves into (14th?) amendment rights about self incrimination and so on, but I’m just not getting your point where you’re comparing the 2 cases.

    I think I spoke too soon when I said I like to read the case studies. I’m lost.

  77. Terrytsk said, on February 10, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    Or do you mean if George contradicts his previous sworn testimony? Too confusing for me! I give up, I’ll just wait to see how it plays out in court. I do appreciate your research efforts and links, but it’s well beyond my very basic scope of knowledge.

  78. Terrytsk said, on February 10, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    Facts of the Case:
    Bobby Lee Holmes was sentenced to death after he was convicted of murder and several other crimes. At trial, he was not permitted to introduce evidence suggesting that another person had committed the crimes.
    http://www.oyez.org/cases/2000-2009/2005/2005_04_1327

    This is scary to even read about. It’s not Florida, but it sure sickens me to think that anyone would be found guilty because they were not allowed to present a defense that included incriminating another person.

    “Under South Carolina law, defendants “seeking to present evidence of third- party guilt must [limit the evidence] to such facts as are inconsistent with his own guilt, and to such facts as raise a reasonable inference or presumption as to his own innocence.” Evidence that merely casts a bare suspicion on another person is not admissible. Using this standard, the South Carolina Supreme Court affirmed the trial court’s decision not to allow the evidence”.

    I so believe in the “Innocence Project” type of programs that are in effect around the country. It breaks my heart to think of how many innocent people have been convicted of crimes they did not commit. Wasted lives. It’s sickening and heartbreaking.

    Then you have this idiot, loser young woman who, IMO, is guilty as sin of the murder of her child and she’s got these big shot experts like Dr. Henry Lee, Dr. Kathy Reich, Dr. Kobilinski (oops not him, he quit), Dr. Werner Spitz, etc. Where are these experts when innocent men and woman are being railroaded and convicted of crimes they never were guilty of. It’s all about publicity for them. Karma. Eventually, Karma will strike.

  79. Terrytsk said, on February 10, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    http://www.heraldonline.com/2008/07/12/680591/holmes-pleads-guilty-in-1989-death.html

    After all of that I see Bobby Lee Holmes has finally admitted his guilt. 19 years and 2 over-turned convictions late,r he was sentenced to life in prison after finally admitting he was guity as charged. What kind of a sicko rapes and then bludgeons to death an elderly woman? Sick person.

  80. Autumn said, on February 10, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    http://cyb3rcrim3.blogspot.com/search?q=soddi

    Hi, Terry! I hope it isn’t inappropriate to post a link to another blog on this site.

    The above link is to the blog I found State v. Conley on in searching for SODDI cases. Upon reading it Kronk came to mind and what his son said Kronk revealed to him during a phone call regarding Caylee. Judge Perry is allowing some of the information in, at trial, giving the defense the opportunity to make a connection between Kronk and Caylee, and I was wondering if Kronk’s son’s statements may have had something to do with that?

    Is Kronk’s son on the defense witness list? I haven’t looked at it yet.

  81. Terrytsk said, on February 10, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    The link you provided talks about cybercrime. I don’t see how that relates to Kronk allegedly telling his son to watch the news because he knew where Baby Caylee’s remains were and he was about to report it.

    Your comment, “Judge Perry is allowing some of the information in, at trial, giving the defense the opportunity to make a connection between Kronk and Caylee, and I was wondering if Kronk’s son’s statements may have had something to do with that?”.

    I wasn’t aware that Judge Perry had ruled in favor of the defense to bring up Roy Kronk’s prior bad acts. I thought he had denied the defense motion to bring up prior bad acts of Roy Kronk because they had chosen to ignore the deadline for hearing their motion and said they could to try to bring it up at trial and the state would then object.

    I’m not sure if any of Kronk’s family members, bitter ex-wives, friends or enemies are on the defense witness list. His son? I recall him going to a deposition, but I don’t recall if it was a state or defense depo. I kind of remember the headline was Kronk’s son changes his tune, or something like that.

  82. Terrytsk said, on February 10, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    I didn’t realize I was being played for a fool. So be it. Live and learn.

    Boy oh boy, Judge Perry spoke today. Casey Anthony’s defense is screwed. I like it!!

  83. Autumn said, on February 11, 2011 at 6:35 am

    TerryTsk,

    I sure hope you’re not referring to me as one who has played you for a fool? You’re so much smarter than I am in these things and I appreciate your comments. Maybe I was reading to much into the case when it comes to SODDI.

    You’re right. Judge Perry isn’t allowing in Kronk’s bad acts in at trial. But is Kronk’s call to his son part of that bad acts ruling? I thought it was a separate matter considering Kronk’s call to his son had nothing to do with his X or what she alleged about Kronk.

    I could be wrong, but to me Kronk’s son’s statements are still hanging out there and could be used at trial. We haven’t heard much about him, and if he is not now on the defense witness list, might he be added to show that Kronk had the opportunity to tamper with Caylee?

    You must know that I don’t think such a defense will hold water. Kronk is a hero imho. He found her. He reported what he found. He did the right thing. But the defense imo will be using SODDI by any means possible and I don’t see much of a means outside what Kronk said to his son. SODDI won’t work for Casey but it’s all the defense has imo.

    Thank you for taking the time.

  84. Autumn said, on February 11, 2011 at 7:38 am

    Terrytsk, any one, here’s the link to the 2009 motion about Kronk and prior bad acts.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/22983648/Motion-Roy-Kronk

    I could be way off the mark here but doesn’t the first paragraph of page 2 seem to apply to the phone call between Kronk and his son, and couldn’t the defense still use it as a SODDI defense because it doesn’t seem to be connected to prior bad acts?

    TIA

  85. knight owl said, on February 11, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Hi everyone, good comments. This is just my opinion but i don’t see it would fly for the defense to try to bring in George or Cindy or anyone else in to the picture to be the culprit for doubt of who killed Caylee. Casey has put herself soley in that box from the time the police were called to the Anthony home. Plus i could never see G&C either one would fit the profile in my opinion to kill Caylee. What would their motive be? Nothing in my opinion is going to fly aside of Casey did it no matter what tricks the defense try to pull.

  86. art tazrt said, on February 11, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    I tried to edit the next to the last paragraph, sorry, I was unsuccessful.

  87. Doug Wollenburg said, on February 11, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    The defense is still going with the garbage smells the same as rotting flesh…That’s easy to solve, just get some garbage (pizza, according to Cindy) and some cadaver flesh (used in the training of Cadaver Dogs) and pass it around the Court. Or ask the people who work with/on the dead if the dead (after several days in a hot trunk) smell like garbage or something much worse. Or get people who live by some Pizza Places and have them tell the Court of the (mouth-watering) smell coming from them, or is the defense saying that Italian food smells the same as a rotting corpse??

    Strange thing is that people will live by landfills, yet they won’t tolerate a rotting corpse, that’s how alot of bodies are found…By smell…

    Stranger yet is that the Anthony’s still eat Pizza while claiming that it smells like their dead, rotting grand-daughter…

  88. art tart said, on February 12, 2011 at 12:18 am

    Doug, I seem to remember one of the news stations in Orlando put garbage in a bag in the “hot Orlando Sun as CA described it” to see if it smelled like decomp. The dogs hit on the trunk of the car, D E C O M P smell, no getting around it! Since the 911 call was admitted with CA already describing the trunk as that of a “damn dead body,” what freakin difference does it make? OH! I forgot, CA was just trying to RUSH LE to her home! LOL!

    Doug, I LMAO this afternoon, William Jay, Tony l.’s attorney was on Vinnie Poulaton & Vinnie ask William Jay what he thought about ” la bella a vita!” William Jay said it reminded him of something out of the SOPRANOS! LOL! I agree!

  89. theJBmission said, on February 13, 2011 at 7:28 am

    hey jbmission, long time no see! jmo, JA has had a gut full of the infantile behavior of Baez & so has Judge P, IGNORANCE or incompetence or “no excuse in the law.” It’s shameful at the extent Judge P has repeatedly explained the law to Baez, but for some reason, Baez continues to act consistently inept. I am surprised you don’t want him replaced & a competent attorney represent KC so she at least gets a fair trial. For $ 325,000.00 KC got Baez, & I read a couple of places that Attorney’s think Baez will be “punished after the Verdict, his actions as B SHeffer said will not effect KC’s trial,” IF Conway is the one that placed the complaint against Baez, the inexperienced 3 yr. attorney with 2 yrs. on the job training, with a shady past, reprimands, & a a sanction. Who ya gonna believe again, Conway or the shady, lying, former defunct bikini shop owner? You might say Baez, but I don’t think many will agree with you.
    =============
    Hey arttart,
    Just one question..huh??? I really don’t discuss attorneys art tart. I look at it this way, KC picked him. There’s no need to try and defend Baez. He’s not the reason I discuss the Anthony murder. I really don’t know about B. Conway’s complaint either. Like I mentioned I really don’t know. All I know it’s the talk of the blogs…
    When I watch the hearings I try to take note of dates of deadlines and the motion rulings..etc.
    But I do find JA a little antsy. It’s like he’s always annoyed, don’t you think? Wow, if he’s like that now, I can’t imagine what the poor guy’s going to be like during the trial. He needs to calm down. Sometimes I think JA’s act is all for show..like “look at me..I’m on your side you angry bloggers!!” “Please like me ..please like me” Look how I’m fighting that evil Bozo fellow..”Don’t ya like me now?” Kinda reminds me of my dog when she needs to go outside. She’s a beautiful dog. She’s a St. Bernard-Collie mix. She has a long coat and puppy looking face.. a real cute doggie-woggie.. I just love her!
    But he is an angry guy, don’t you think? And Linda Drane Burdick, well she’s average. If I had to rate her..not knowing her win-lose record..BTW do you know Baez’s win-lose record?
    Anyways..assessing her by her court room demeanor I’d rate her a 5 on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the highest. Now that I’m thinking about it, Baez is just as courtroom savvy as she is…the only thing different he has more confidence.
    Oh well..that’s my opinion on the attorneys involved in this case. In case anyone’s interested…NOT!!
    LOL..enjoy your day everybody,
    cuz you know I am..
    hahaha..later

  90. art tart said, on February 13, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Morning thejbmission, imo, the Attorney’s have everything to do with the trial & Baez is going to deliver to KC a verdict that she “might not have received had a more experienced DP Qualified Cr Def Attorney defended her.” It is true, KC did pick Baez, but when KC receives that verdict, imo, KC/Anthony’s will turn their wrath on Baez, his incompetence, & the possible misappropriation of her Trust Account. AZLawyer has said that KC wouldn’t know if she had “competent counsel, she isn’t an attorney.” This will only compound the Bar complaint.

    thejbmission, I too pay close attention to the dates, hearings, etc., but I think JA is great, an experienced attorney of 28 yrs., it shows, he & Burdick are pretty fed up with the arrogance & incompetence of Baez as are “many following this case.” Judge P has just about had a gut full of the minimally experienced 3 yr. attorney when he took this case, Baez continues the same behavior, whines, disregards dates, etc. I am surprised that Judge P “allowed Baez’s behavior thus far,” UNTIL he placed the sanction against Baez. It’s inexcusable that the DT can’t obey the dates set forth, Ashton has had enough! The Legal Analyst continue to be appalled at the behavior of Baez, at what point will he put his client’s best interest before his own?

    Does Baez or his behavior MATTER to KC’s trial? imo, you bet. Baez has the reputation as “whining even amongst his defense team when Lyon’s/Baden were there, it was the running joke.” The arrogance Baez projects, the consistent smirk, the whining, won’t play well with the murder of a child to a jury, will he smirk when cross examining witnesses? Ashton speaks with confidence & experience, imo, the State’s case is solid. The juror’s will base their verdict on the evidence, BUT with KC as a most dispicable defendant, the party pics, the pictures of Caylee’s skull & remains, ALL the evidence allowed in, it is important that the Attorney delivering the “closing argument for KC project passion, imo, neither Baez nor Mason have that passion any longer.” We have heard part of what probably will be Ashton’s closing argument, IN SESSION/Analyst said “it was flawless.” Hornsby had said 6 or 7 months ago that Mason & Baez “were just trying to make it until the end of the trial,” I hope they “get it together or Baez sits down & shuts up allow Mason to run the case as Finnell thus far, seems the only Attorney that knows what she’s doing.

  91. art tart said, on February 13, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    Autumn said:

    I could be way off the mark here but doesn’t the first paragraph of page 2 seem to apply to the phone call between Kronk and his son, and couldn’t the defense still use it as a SODDI defense because it doesn’t seem to be connected to prior bad acts?
    ___________
    Autumn, the problem is Kronk’s son isn’t interested in cooperating with the Defense, he claimed the Defense was harassing him.

    Night Owl, you are right, using GA as a possible SODDI isn’t real likely but the point we were making was that it was “more plausible than Kronk, who had an alibi, no access to KC’s car, no access to the Anthony home, didn’t ride around with Caylee in the trunk, had no way to return KC’s car keys to her, & didn’t leave her car at AMSCOT due to decomp smell.” GA did in fact have an opportunity for the things I listed, since KC has no conscience, nothing would surprise me that she decides to claim now nor the Defense.

  92. BEES KNEES said, on February 13, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    art tart, you made some very intelligent points and observations. I completely agree with you that the team of Ashton and Drane-Burdick is stellar. They would shine no matter who was on the Defense team but when you compare them to the woefully and tragically incompetent baez there is simply NO comparison. And if an adult of average intelligence can’t IMMEDIATELY discern that then they must spend a great deal of their lives in a terrible state of bewilderment. I would rather have Laurel & Hardy defend me than jose. And they aren’t even alive. So there’s that.

    I’m actually starting to feel a little sorry for baez’s stooge-troll who is still trying to work the blogs, trying to convince us that there’s even the tiniest bit of brain-flesh inside bozo’s drafty skull. It uses a few different blogger names hoping we’ll believe it’s more than just one. Poor flunkie has nothing to work with but it never lets that stop it. It continues to pop up here every once in a blue moon valiently hoping to score one miserable point for team bozo. Alas! It never works. Poor unhappy bozo-lover.

  93. thejbmission said, on February 13, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    ah hmm… It’s only me..don’t fret! I’ve already been accused of working for the DT. It’s comical really. But since Bees said there are others who think that an attorney with a (32 win – 02 lost) record isn’t exactly a failure, I’d love to meet this person.
    Send them my way..please.
    Art tart, you are sadly mistaken dear. As usual.. oh well, I see the banter hasn’t changed a bit on the “Old BS” Carry on with your drivel about Baez. It’s really too bad that so many have lost focus on the victim and the reality of what this is all about. tsk. tsk..
    I remember long ago thinking that the Sheaferettes were a fairly intelligent group but I see you haven’t much to say and have learned very little. Maybe it’s an old age thing.. You know how the old are stubbornly stuck in their ways and talk continuously about the same old thing? it’s okay, I understand. Have a good day…cuz you know that I am..lol
    BTW, I very happy. :D

  94. Autumn said, on February 14, 2011 at 7:22 am

    Thanks for your response, art tart.

    I agree that the defense will not be successful with a SODDI defense, but they have to try. It’s all they got.

  95. Ina said, on February 14, 2011 at 7:34 am

    Hi mr Sheaffer, nice to see you haven’t given up on this blog :) Hi JB.

    “The Defense has still much work to do with little time left to accomplish it.”

    Could there be a scenario were Casey (or in an other case, another accused) would get the dp simply because the defense couldn’t do the work in time?
    Has this ever happend, and if so, is that fair?

    Can the prosecution convince the jury with what they have that Casey did it. That is the question. The question was never: who did it.

    Now when should the question in this case have been: who did it? When Caylee went missing, when she was found; somehow there never was a question about who at all it seems. It was a fait a compli to the LE, the police, from the moment Cindy called them. They started with mom and never looked any further. That is were the mistake was made in this case. (JMO of course) If there was another possibility, the traces have long gone. People who had no business there at all, might have destroid whatever evidence was there.

    But okay, so let’s assume Casey is the killer. No one has a clue why. That also doesn’ t seem to be a question in this case. When? Still no one knows. Where? It all doesn’t matter. I find that odd. Maybe we have to wait till the trial, but the prosecution still hasn’t much to go on. A smelly car.

    Casey said her daughter was with someone else. She gave a name, that didn’t lead anywhere. So it is a lie? Was Casey intimidated when she said she lied about the place the nanny was? Or was it true?

    For some people it doesn’ t seem to matter, this car is proof enough. The defense hasn’t got the time they need, so they say. If Casey gets convicted, was it because she did it? Or because she was badly represented?

  96. Autumn said, on February 14, 2011 at 7:44 am

    This is what I don’t understand, why are they entertaining the thought of Kronk in a SODDI defense at all? His alibi is sound. He did everything right, to include reporting what he found.

    The defense is grasping at straws and if they aren’t going to be able to bring prior bad acts into the picture, it just seems to me all they have are the statements made by his son regarding the phone call. Can’t they serve him with a subpoena to force him to testify? I just don’t know what else they have to make a connection between Kronk and Caylee when it comes to SODDI.

    The whole attempt will fall flat right off the bat, imho, no matter which other person they attempt to point a finger at.

  97. mrsdoubtfire said, on February 14, 2011 at 8:05 am

    Ina said

    For some people it doesn’ t seem to matter, this car is proof enough. The defense hasn’t got the time they need, so they say. If Casey gets convicted, was it because she did it? Or because she was badly represented?

    ******************

    The car is NOT the only evidence against Miss Anthony though it is damning imo and therefore shouldnt be trivialised . Or are you pretending you haven’t followed this case for 32 months.

    From her initial arrest July 16th 2008, approx 12 lawyers have represented Miss Anthony.

    Baez
    Walsh
    Garcia
    Lennamin
    Kenny Baden
    Lyon
    Macaluso
    Kassen
    Mason
    Sims
    Finnel
    Slaughberg

    Give us a break Ina.

  98. Autumn said, on February 14, 2011 at 8:25 am

    “Can the prosecution convince the jury with what they have that Casey did it. That is the question.”

    Yes.

  99. Ina said, on February 14, 2011 at 8:27 am

    From her initial arrest July 16th 2008, approx 12 lawyers have represented Miss Anthony.

    So are you saying that ithe fact they all leave, is a good thing? lol

  100. Ina said, on February 14, 2011 at 8:30 am

    yes Autumn. That is the question. No other questions asked, so wheter or not there was a motive, opportunity, place, witness, that is not a question. If a prosecutor can be an overacting drama actor, the case is closed. Scary!

  101. Ina said, on February 14, 2011 at 8:51 am

    http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ga-court-of-appeals/1166897.html thhis is about another case of course, not even murder, but it was interesting.

    Maybe the car can’t be used, evidence being destoyed. (That is what I grasped anyway)

    Interesting.

  102. Autumn said, on February 14, 2011 at 8:56 am

    I may not know much about law but this much I do know. There is much more evidence against Casey than just her car.

    31 days missing.
    31 days unreported.
    31 days spent lying to everyone about where Caylee was.
    31 days spent partying with her boyfriend.
    Knowing that her car smelled Casey blamed it on dead squirrels before any one knew Caylee was missing. No squirrel evidence has been found. Human decomposition was.
    Casey abandoned the car.
    Casey was the last person to drive the car.
    Special duct tape.
    The garbage bags.
    The laundry bag.
    The clothing, in particular the pink shirt.
    Her mother’s testimony is incriminating. “It smells like there’s been a dead body in the damn car!”
    Her father’s testimony is incriminating. Before he even saw the car he told the tow yard guy that he was afraid for Caylee. He was afraid what he would find in the trunk of the car that his daughter was the last driver of. I read about this somewhere and agree that George Anthony knew Caylee was dead when they picked up the car.
    Her boyfriend’s testimony will be incriminating.
    Evidence of the heart shaped sticker even though it was destroyed during testing. Testimony regarding the presence of a heart shaped sticker will be presented, I believe.
    The mystery surrounding the shovel.
    The plant and bug evidence.
    The napkin evidence.

    There is so much evidence that there is no way someone else did this. There is, maybe, a 1:1,000,000 chance the defense will be able to create a reasonable doubt in the mind of a juror or two using Kronk or George, Tony or Jesse. But it isn’t likely. Casey complained about the car smelling like something dead and blamed it on her father. She said he ran over squirrels that rotted. To me this seems like an admission and an attempt at covering up what she’d done and where Caylee was, dead, in the trunk of the car she abandoned.

  103. Autumn said, on February 14, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Oh, and the non-existent nanny.

  104. Autumn said, on February 14, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Ina, what evidenced from the car has been destroyed? I don’t know of any. The only evidence I know of that has been destroyed is the evidence of the heart shaped sticker on the duck tape.

    The hair evidence is still intact, isn’t it? The napkin evidence is too. The chemical composition of the stain in the trunk is still in evidence. There’s so much.

  105. Autumn said, on February 14, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Duct tape.

  106. mrsdoubtfire said, on February 14, 2011 at 10:09 am

    on February 14, 2011 at 8:27 am

    From her initial arrest July 16th 2008, approx 12 lawyers have represented Miss Anthony.

    So are you saying that ithe fact they all leave, is a good thing? lol

    ******

    Kenny Baden, proclaimed forensic specialist and high profile litigator stayed/contributed for more than two years. Andrea Lyon, DP expertr stuck around for 18 months. These are established, specialised attorneys in the USA. Macaluso was temporarily dis-barred, but he personally bolstered the defense fund by $70,000 dollars. He can also take credit for the long standing and apparently current reasonable doubt theory, that Caylee’s body was moved when Miss Anthony was incarcerated.

    You will have to google the others.

    No Ina, not a good thing but YOU asked if she had been badly represented. lol

    She still has Mason who some hold in high esteem, (though not me), she still has Baez, she still has Dorothy Clay Sims, She still has Miss Finnell . And newly qualified William (not good in traffic) Slaughbert . By my reckoning she is on to PI number 4.

    Yet not one piece of EXCULPATORY evidence. scratches head

  107. Whoops said, on February 14, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Ina,

    All the prosecution has to prove is means, motive and opportunity. IMO, all three have been laid out very well. Those are the three elements necessary to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in the U.S. Criminal Courts.

    Casey certainly had the “means” (Casey was last seen with Caylee” and never reported her missing)
    Casey certainly had the “motive” (Casey wanted to party and not take care of the “snothead”)
    Casey certainly had the “opportunity” (Casey had the time. Check the Cell Phone records)

    Anyone else can expand on these at their pleasure.

  108. BEES KNEES said, on February 14, 2011 at 11:56 am

    It’s easy to distinguish between intelligence and stupidity. To suggest that bozo is intelligent is . . . well . . . I just laughed out loud.

  109. Autumn said, on February 14, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Whoops, the cell phone records and all of those pings that charted her path. I forgot about those.

    Isn’t there also something about a blue dress?

  110. BEES KNEES said, on February 14, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Good intelligent points there, Autumn. As I said, at this stage of the game if anyone is denying casey’s guilt or bozo’s ineptitude, well . . . sorry. Laughing out loud again. You really can only take that seriously for so long, right? HA HA HA HA HA!!! No doubt once the trial is over bozo will be awarded some coveted Accomplished Attorney Award for his stunning defense work. HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! That will be covered in the press immediately after the State of Florida offers casey a public apology and places a crown representing Most Misunderstood and most Loving Mother Award upon her beautiful head.

  111. BEES KNEES said, on February 14, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    ALSO, WFTV is busy nominating their Annual Most Intelligent Blogger Awards. Since we’ve already been told that we here at Bill Sheaffer’s blog are “aging” and “stubborn” and “stuck” I guess we can’t hold our breaths in hopes of winning. I am very disappointed but not all of us can be as bright as bozo. I’m sure the award will go to that blogger who asks such thought-provoking, scintillating questions over and over and over again no matter how many times her nose is rubbed in the truth. That’s who really deserves some special recogniotion. HEE!

    Happy Valentine’s Day all!

  112. Autumn said, on February 14, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    Bees Knees, LMAO over your Accomplished Attorney Award. If there is an award that Baez deserves it would be one of Accomplished Incompetent. He’s comical to watch and all the more so Casey. She’s so smart that she’s only pretending to be clueless, right?

    Happy Valentine’s Day to you too.

  113. BEES KNEES said, on February 14, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    I know, Autumn. Isn’t it truly wonderful that they (baez & casey) found each other? Sometimes life just gives us these little gifts.

  114. pipkin52 said, on February 14, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    It’s obvious that Kronk’s son is mistaken about the date he spoke to Kronk on phone—geeze—get over it! Mr Kronk is the good guy here—he deserves our praise—not our scorn—thank you Mr. Kronk for finding Caylee’s remains!

    When the well runs dry—the horse goes somewhere else to drink. The lights aren’t as bright anymore—the money is surely gone—and the “experts” have diminished–they should have NEVER joined this case to begin with.

    This case is different—well NO it is not different. It’s a very simple case—young, undereducated, hopeless, unemployed single mother kills child so she can have freedom from her parents.

    The maggot evidence will be fascinating; however, this case should have never made it to trial. Shame on you Mr. Baez for not making your client fully understand what death row is all about and that a plea deal for LIFE would be in her best interest.

    Let’s all forget the name Casey Anthony—but remember Caylee in our nightly prayers.

  115. Autumn said, on February 14, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    pipkin52, I’m just sitting here nodding my head over everything you said with the exception of your last sentence. Anger won’t let me forget her any time soon.

  116. Kim said, on February 14, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    Sadly, since the inmate is alive we will tend to remember her. Maybe Caylee’s death will create a change in this and we will remember the victim instead of the fiend

  117. Ina said, on February 15, 2011 at 3:33 am

    Duct tape , found on the body or in the location of were the remaiins are found, as such is not evidence only Casey Anthony has killed her daughter, and no one else. There is no evidence proving Casey was the one who killed, just evidence that indicates Caylee may not have died a natrual death. But even that is not sure. (Why hide a child that died a natural death? Fear maybe?) The fact Caylee was missing, existing nanny or not, and the car had an odor that people described as that of a dead body etc, the evidence of the car having coffin flies is not solid proof Casey is the person who killed Caylee either. Labs are messing up or not, never mind, it makes Casey really suspect of course, which is what the prosecution wants, and she probably did it, I can’t tell, but it is not prove as such. Casey was a liar and a thief, that much is proven, but has nothing to do with murder. Maybe the body was placed on the spot while Casey was in jail, nothing conclusive about that also. Witnesses, what is true in what they think they overlooked etc.
    Further more, she has no record of violence to anyone, therefor even if she killed Caylee, which would be terrible and sad of course, the dp to be asked for in this case, is outrages. As there is still doubt about what really happend, if a jury has to decide on what they see as evidence, and they decide guilty because it looks like Casey did it, the dp is way too heavy. Of course the actual execution will never take place, it is used in this case to intimidate a suspect, now the accused, to confess maybe? So the case can be closed. But is the case really closed when this trial and appeals are over? Or will there be some doubt, a killer out there maybe who might do it again, or already has? At this stage, even a confession of Casey may mean nothing, as she may confess just becasue she wants a lighter sentence. The threat of a dp is a bad way to find out truth. jmo.

  118. Silverbulllit said, on February 15, 2011 at 6:38 am

    The stray cat is back….don’t feed it, hopefully it will move on.

  119. Groundhog Day at Bill's said, on February 15, 2011 at 7:09 am

    Silverbulllit said, on February 15, 2011 at 6:38 am

    The stray cat is back….don’t feed it, hopefully it will move on.

    <<<<<<<<<

    Amen

    But hey

    At least the victim got a rare mention.

  120. Ina said, on February 15, 2011 at 7:36 am

    “All the prosecution has to prove is means, motive and opportunity. ”

    The word All here, is the problem I think. All they have to do. But so far they haven’t found any prove of a motive. So all is all minus one so far.
    The other 2 are not enough for a conviction surely. yes, Casey could have done it. But has she?

    Means; Cindy, George, Tony, Lee, the neighbour, nanny, kidnapper if any, every one has means. Not just Casey.
    Motive, no one has one, this is probably not a first degree murder at all, that is a big problem. Fabricating a motive saying she must have done it as she was a party going person, is not the real thing.
    Opportunity: everyone who was near Caylee from when she was last seen alive by anyone neutral to the case. I think the prosecution has a problem even with those 3 things you mentioned. Let alone proof of what happend.
    They already have a lot of documents, call it evidence, and it says absolutely nothing about any motive at all.
    I know from earlier discussions on this blog how a different view in here is welcomed . So glad to see it still is the same :)

  121. mrsdoubtfire said, on February 15, 2011 at 8:11 am

    Ina said, on February 15, 2011 at 7:36 am

    “All the prosecution has to prove is means, motive and opportunity. ”

    The word All here, is the problem I think. All they have to do. But so far they haven’t found any prove of a motive. So all is all minus one so far.
    The other 2 are not enough for a conviction surely. yes, Casey could have done it. But has she?

    Means; Cindy, George, Tony, Lee, the neighbour, nanny, kidnapper if any, every one has means. Not just Casey.
    Motive, no one has one, this is probably not a first degree murder at all, that is a big problem. Fabricating a motive saying she must have done it as she was a party going person, is not the real thing.
    Opportunity: everyone who was near Caylee from when she was last seen alive by anyone neutral to the case. I think the prosecution has a problem even with those 3 things you mentioned. Let alone proof of what happend.
    They already have a lot of documents, call it evidence, and it says absolutely nothing about any motive at all.
    I know from earlier discussions on this blog how a different view in here is welcomed . So glad to see it still is the same :)

    ********

    “Proof of motive is not required in a criminal prosecution. In determining the guilt of a criminal defendant, courts are generally not concerned with why the defendant committed the alleged crime, but whether the defendant committed the crime.”

    Read more: Motive – Defendant, Crime, Prosecution, Criminal, Law, and Prove http://law.jrank.org/pages/8663/Motive.html#ixzz1E24yd8Je

  122. Autumn said, on February 15, 2011 at 8:35 am

    I take it I should ignore her; but.

    Ina, how do you explain:

    Traces of chloroform found in the trunk of Casey’s car.
    Chloroform found in a syringe that was placed inside a bottle that was found at the crime scene.
    Statements made by Casey to inmates Derkovic and Adams that she used a substance/chloroform to knock Caylee out and that these statements are consistent with the material evidences found in the car and at the crime scene.

    What? Jail inmates aren’t at all capable of telling the truth? Nonsense.

    I don’t know all of the specifics on the tape, but I do know it is very rare and the same tape that was found on the gas can. Casey had easy access to the tape, the opportunity and motive to use it.

    The fact remains and is not disputable that Caylee’s dead body was in Casey’s trunk. Casey was the last person to have seen her daughter alive and Casey was the last person to have driven the car she abandoned full of evidence! Do you think what she smelled was rotting pizza? There wasn’t any pizza was there? There was just the pizza box, right? Do you buy the squirrel story? Where’s the squirrel evidence?

    Will the animals that were feeding on Caylee’s remains be called to task for moving parts of her body before Kronk happened onto the scene? All he saw was what appeared to be the skull, remember? It’s a gruesome reality that by the time Kronk found her so much of her had already been moved, but not by anything human, unless someone like Dominic Casey got to her first.

  123. Autumn said, on February 15, 2011 at 8:46 am

    mrsdoubtfire, anyone, what difference would it make to learn that Caylee’s body had been moved. Wouldn’t all of the evidence still point to Casey?

  124. Autumn said, on February 15, 2011 at 8:56 am

    One more thing, Ina, the duct tape was what held Caylee’s hair in place. It was on her body, around her face, in multiple layers, not laying off to the side somewhere.

    Bees Knees, lol. Clueless 1 and Clueless 2. Who knows, maybe the Florida Bar will boot him before trial. I see no point in allowing him to continue, and the Bar can boot him, can’t they?

  125. Ina said, on February 15, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Okay Autumn, you are so convincing I accept the possibility that the body was in the car for a period of time. It makes the discussion easier. :)

    I am not trying to convince you Casey didn’t do it, and if so many people are convinced those testemonies about a smell are accurate and the lab tests say it was a corps, and no doubt about it, then fine of course. I am just saying it doesnlt look as if it can be proven.

    So the inmates are reliable witnesses you say. Casey trusted them and told them how she drugged her daughter, really? Why would she do that?
    Even if she did say she used chlorofrom occasionally, there were no traces of chloroform found on the body or in the hairs. If no traces are found, traces can’t be used as evidence I think. It is not sure how Caylee died.

    This is seen a first degree murder case. That means premediated I think? Where is the motive?
    If she used too much chloroform by mistake, it is murder, but not in the first degree, as there is no prove she wanted to kill her daughter. But as we already discussed, chloroform is used in cleaning products. The car was cleaned before the police examined it. What was there before the big cleaning, what wasn’t?

    Was the body in the car for long, or just a drive to the spot where Caylee was found? A few minutes drive? So everyone near Casey could have used the car for a few minutes. If Caylee was killed at her grandparents home, anyone in that family could have been a suspect. But they only accused Casey. No one else in that house noticed the killing?

    Please don’t get me started on Kronk lol. I have my own therories that are not popular either.

    There are things that are taken for evidence that might no be proof of a first degree murder. If this is not the case, and it turns out that the death of Caylee was not first degree, will that have consequences for the trial? The sentence?

    Now thanks for your input.

  126. Ina said, on February 15, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Thanks msDoubtfire. :) I am just learning a little about law. So Autumn, there is not even need to prove a motive? Just prove of means and oportunity? Then what is the difference in first and second? degree murder?

  127. Ina said, on February 15, 2011 at 9:36 am

    The ductape doesn’t mean anything but that there was need to put stuff on the body to keep it together I think. It doesn’t say who did it and why, when etc.

  128. mrsdoubtfire said, on February 15, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Ina said, on February 15, 2011 at 9:36 am

    *The ductape doesn’t mean anything but that there was need to put stuff on the body to keep it together I think. It doesn’t say who did it and why, when etc.*

    ***

    That’s for a jury to decide Ina. Duct tape around a small child’s face in not imo condusive with your description above. The prosecution will assert the tape around the baby is from the same source roll as on George’s gas can. ergp Casey had access to it.

    Looks like they are going to claim the tape was used to murder this child. Jurors are allowed to draw inferences from the facts they hear.

    _Miss Anthony gets her opportunity to refute the prosecution’s case and tell her side of the story. Its called due process._

  129. Ina said, on February 15, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Yes ms Doubtfire, but most of everything we discuss in here is about things for the jury to decide of course. If it was up to me, I would give Casey a time sentence when she was proven guilty according to a jury, to see if in time she would say more. ?

  130. Ina said, on February 15, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Does anyone think she will in trial, when she can speak, say she did it? Or keep to her story? She looks determined enough.

  131. Ina said, on February 15, 2011 at 10:04 am

    I remember that source roll was huge, so it could just have been from the same store, but even from another one with the same supplier?

  132. BEES KNEES said, on February 15, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Autumn, it’s beyond me how baez has made it this far. Did you see now the defense is in trouble with the owner of Stogskill Court Reporting Services? Their poor behaviour is predictable by now but somehow it still astonishes me! When is Judge Perry going to put a stop to this blatant show of contempt for the Court? Is he so proud of his No Appeals record that he will continue to dance to their sleazy sidestep? Is that why they’re getting away with it? And the cost!!!! What a shame.

  133. mrsdoubtfire said, on February 15, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Autumn said, on February 15, 2011 at 8:46 am

    mrsdoubtfire, anyone, what difference would it make to learn that Caylee’s body had been moved. Wouldn’t all of the evidence still point to Casey?

    ******

    As far as Im concerned, it wouldnt exonerate Miss Anthony. However, the defense’s job is to raise doubt. Suggest an accomplice or that the real killer placed Caylee there.
    Unidentified SODDIS generally result when the defendant has no alibi or no credible explantion for the events that put him /her in the dock. ;-)

    And remember Miss Anthony is on to version number three of imaginanny. :lol:

    If you havent read it I would recommend reading Dr Schultz’s very comprehensive report on the scattering of Caylee’s bones, animal activity, the condition of the bones and how he arrived at his timeline.

  134. mrsdoubtfire said, on February 15, 2011 at 11:17 am

    said, on February 15, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Yes ms Doubtfire, but most of everything we discuss in here is about things for the jury to decide of course. If it was up to me, I would give Casey a time sentence when she was proven guilty according to a jury, to see if in time she would say more. ?

    *****

    I suspect if the USA adopted your policy Ina their judicial system would grind to a standstill. And the recidivist criminals would create havoc in society. Cos in your world they would eventually be free.

  135. mrsdoubtfire said, on February 15, 2011 at 11:25 am

    Ina said, on February 15, 2011 at 10:04 am

    I remember that source roll was huge, so it could just have been from the same store, but even from another one with the same supplier?

    ****

    Link please Ina

    I have read the discovery and this tape was only manufactured for a limited amount of time and manufaccturing ceased in Spring of 2006. It was sold in selective outlets in Ohio and Florida.

    George’s roll was at least 2 years old and still rare.

  136. Autumn said, on February 15, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Bees Knees, Baez has remained for more than two years. That’s incredible! He’s not only incompetent, he’s a pompous a __ thief!

    What really irks me though is all of the special privileges Casey’s been awarded, from her hot shot attorneys to that myriad of experts the Florida tax payers will now have to foot the bill for! Any other indigent, who didn’t get the media attention or who had more respect for her dead child than to mass market her photographs, would have had to make due with whatever the JAC determined was necessary to insure her a fair trial via public defender who’d have to pull from among the more local experts.

    That the Anthony’s SOLD Caylee in order to help pay for Casey’s defense, in spite of all of the evidence they held in their own grubby little hands like Casey’s slacks that were full of decomp and of course the car and the trash bag, is evidence enough for me of how guilty they think she is! Who does that? Who sells photographs of their dead baby?

    I should delete half of this I suppose. But I won’t.

    Ina, I’ll reply to your response once the anger subsides.

  137. BEES KNEES said, on February 15, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    I’m glad you didn’t delete any of your comment Autumn. Something else I’m wondering about is, because of the many experts the defense has had on board will other defendants expect and demand the same treatment in the future? It just seems like it could really wreak havoc on the legal community in Florida (even more than it already has). I wish I understood the law better. I’d love to be privvy to what better attorneys are saying about this behind closed doors.

  138. Beast said, on February 15, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    In response to the newest filing by the defence. The prosecution is bang on. However, if it IS denied will the defence then cry foul and demand a new trial? Are they in a place now where they can demand unreasonable requests for that very reason?

  139. Ina said, on February 15, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    “I have read the discovery and this tape was only manufactured for a limited amount of time and manufaccturing ceased in Spring of 2006. It was sold in selective outlets in Ohio and Florida.” Of course it was manufctured for a limited amount of time. So? It was sold in Orlando, the body was found there? Selective outlets, that means several shops.

    “Link please” ? I don’t see what it is that is different from what I say and I don’t see your link to something that says any different either. And orders I am allergic too lol.

    “I suspect if the USA adopted your policy Ina their judicial system would grind to a standstill.” ? Oh really? What policy are you talkiing about then? How is this a reply to mine and why did you quote mine if it was not? And how many aliasses are there in Nova Scotia lol.

    Autumn : don’t bother on my account. I don’t really care to know what it is you have to say. :)

    So Baez is a no good lawyer. That means this case is not handled right. Right?
    We have a no good defense, a murder without a motive, a mother that says she didn’t do it and no one witnessing the crime.

    So kill Casey? The bloggers have decided? Or maybe get a bit of justice done?

  140. mainstreamfair said, on February 15, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    I happen to be possession of a roll of the Henkel rare duct tape and I live in Nova Scotia, Canada. The only difference in my roll of tape, it doesn’t have the the black Henkel logo right on the tape itself but all other specifications are the exact same as the rare tape, where it was manufactured and the temps it can withstand. This is my very first comment in here for a few days now so, Ina, I am none of the above people. Be nice!

  141. USA said, on February 15, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    Hey you old bird, YOU be nice and stop trying to set Ina up. She left your filthy dung infested SB cesspool, and here you are following her to start a fight on BSB. We can only hope Craig has hour number, MSF/Snoopysleuth You have no respect for anyones blog. Bill Sheaffer is no dummy, he knows what you do, everybody knows what you do, you hateful foreigner, stop pointing your twisted fingers at people like Ina. You don’t need to answer here, got nothing more to say to you. Everyone knows who you are and what you do.

  142. LMAO said, on February 15, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Is there a point in your superfluous comment about your roll of tape? It adds nothing to the discussion. Your comment to Ina is disingenuous as above I see no mention of her suggesting you were anyone other than a ratty seagull that got blown off course.

  143. Whoops said, on February 16, 2011 at 12:17 am

    Would you believe Kathi Belich as a witness for the defense in the Casey Anthony case?

    Believe. The hard-charging reporter from WFTV-Channel 9 is on a new list of defense witnesses.

    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/02/casey-anthony-wftv-sees-transparent-motive-against-kathi-belich.html

  144. Whoops said, on February 16, 2011 at 12:34 am

    Beast, what trial? There hasn’t been one yet. I doubt that JP will allow this latest charade to delay the trial or spend anymore of the taxpayers money and start all over.

  145. BEES KNEES said, on February 16, 2011 at 6:18 am

    What’s really funny about this is that it is guaranteed to blow up in the clowns’ stupid faces. Again! Instead of defending their client (how many days left till the trial starts? Like 90, I think) they’re acting like a couple of immature school girls, tittering away like the two losers they are. HA HA HA! As if Judge Perry won’t see exactly what they are up to. Please! One more useless waste of the courts time and the taxpayers money. Stall. Stall. Stall. IT’S THEIR ONLY MOVE. There are so many things to enjoy about the mess they’re in but at the moment my favorite is the fact that they are so terrified of Kathi. I also love the fact that bozo took mason down with him. Both of their careers are destroyed now and that makes me very happy. Just a bit more patience, Caylee. Your killer and her supporters are almost done, and their lives will never be good again.

  146. mrsdoubtfire said, on February 16, 2011 at 6:46 am

    Ofcoruse K Bellich might be called in relation to the so called Derkovitch/Robyn
    stitchup. KB might be put forward as another agent for the state. :lol: instead of an in your face reporter.

    Given no writ of habeus corpus has been issued for Dercovitch, can we assume the State aint and never was interested in using this inmate.

    Jose on the other hand still without any exculpatory evidence and the promised aha moment might just have to run with the great conspiracy theory.

    Now that wouldnt be just funny, would be frggin hilarious.

  147. mrsdoubtfire said, on February 16, 2011 at 7:02 am

    Just to add , I would agree its not impossible that Jose Baez justs wants his own back on a partciular reporter.

    As is evident in some of his legal pleadings, he can be very petty and take things way too personally.

  148. frankie said, on February 16, 2011 at 8:30 am

    How coincidental! The defense lets loose a big stinky, the clueless crawl out of the woodwork (read paid PR) and a few days later, the State releases really, really, really good discovery! Can’t wait for the States turn! ROFLMAO!!!!!!

    bozo and foghorn….aka….losers and liars! Didn’t their Mama’s ever teach them that once you’ve ruined your reputation, it is hard to get it back? Oh, forgot, evidently their Mama’s didn’t teach them anything at all about integrity and honesty. Maybe they both had momsters like casey and cindy?

    I wonder when bozo will list Linda Drane Burdick and Jeff Ashton as witnesses? Maybe they should just list the entire SAO and LE in Orange County! That should delay things and cost the State a fortune…..that seems to be their MO.

    TaTa for now!

  149. BEES KNEES said, on February 16, 2011 at 8:40 am

    In the clip he says that lawyers have to “be careful about the way they word things” suggesting mason was just being sloppy. Well . . . that’s one way to put it. Another way would be, mason is a LIAR. My own opinion is that he has no doubt been a LIAR for a long time but only now with so much light shining on him has it ever been apparent. He has made it crystal clear to everyone watching that he’s a BULLY, he’s MEAN-SPIRITED and he is very, very RUDE. He has also demonstrated that he is SLOW-WITTED. I mean, how dim would a person have to be in order to sashay his way into this travesty spouting off the word “fun?” Come on! It’s possible that he used to have a head on his shoulders but those glory days are over and he continues to make one stupid move after another. And now we know he’s a liar on top of everything else. I have not seen him demonstrate even one characteristic that he could be proud of. Anybody? Doesn’t this loser have family who can make him see he can no longer function with dignity in public and he should be sitting at home in a pair of slippers mumbling to the cat, raving at his television and throwing dishes at a picture of Kathi?

    http://www.wftv.com/video/26875755/index.html

  150. BEES KNEES said, on February 16, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Ooops! Here’s the first paragraph to my comment above”

    Here’s our guy once again adding his wisdom and attempting to explain the latest bad behaviour from the defense. He is being respectful and veeeeeeery generous to his peers (although his “peer” does not deserve it), but that’s one of the reasons we love him, isn’t it? He’s a classy guy and tries to always find something positive to say about cm but that’s getting more challenging by the day.

  151. BEES KNEES said, on February 16, 2011 at 8:46 am

    BTW, the reason I’m recognizing mason as the liar in this one is because it looks like the emails from the Court Services are from HIS office, not the clown’s for a change.

  152. Autumn said, on February 16, 2011 at 9:37 am

    The following is an interesting article on the duct tape.

    http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20713777/detail.html

    Ina, though you said you wouldn’t be interested in what I have to say, I’m going to say it anyway.

    I’m not sure if I can copy some of your comments here correctly but I’ll give it my best shot.

    “So the inmates are reliable witnesses you say.”

    Where did I say that? I don’t see it. I said just because they’re jailed doesn’t mean they’re lying.

    “Casey trusted them and told them how she drugged her daughter, really? Why would she do that?”

    I don’t know. I’m not Casey. Her’s wouldn’t be the first jailhouse confession given to a fellow inmate.

    “Even if she did say she used chlorofrom occasionally, there were no traces of chloroform found on the body or in the hairs.”

    What body? Was there any soft tissue left to be tested for the presence of chloroform? Chloroform was found where Caylee’s body was, in the trunk and on the crime scene as well as on the computer Casey used, remember? She, most likely rather than Cindy and her trumped up excuse, searched for a chloroform recipe. That it may not have been found in her hair after so many weeks and months of being subjected to death, decomposition and swamplike conditions I don’t believe is significant considering all of the other evidence that points to Casey.

    “This is seen a first degree murder case. That means premediated I think? Where is the motive?”

    Motive? I have my theories, and that’s all they are. Theories. IMO Casey hated Caylee, and for lots of reasons. That’s motive enough.

    “Was the body in the car for long, or just a drive to the spot where Caylee was found? A few minutes drive?” So everyone near Casey could have used the car for a few minutes”

    The evidence inside the trunk of the car clearly indciates that Caylee’s body was in the car for at least two days.

    “So everyone near Casey could have used the car for a few minutes”

    But no one did use the car, Ina. By Casey’s own admission she was the last person to have transported Caylee in that car. No one in the Anthony family had access to that car or Caylee after Casey drove off with her, by George’s account, following the morning of June 16th.

    Bees Knees! I can see it now! Dozens of accused murders demanding the same representation as Casey. Dozens of accused murderers retaining private attorneys, knowing full well that they don’t have the means to maintain their defense, crying to the JAC when they run out of money. Casey’s made it appear so easy to screw over the State of Florida.

  153. frankie said, on February 16, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    Ina said, on February 15, 2011 at 10:00 am
    Does anyone think she will in trial, when she can speak, say she did it?
    **************************************
    ABSOLUTELY NOT! For the 1,574,689,983 time, casey can speak any time she wants. No one has HER mouth duct taped shut! She is a lying, murdering, conniving piece of worm dung. Period. casey not only murdered her daughter, she is destroying her parents lives. Now, granted, I would like to bslap cindy, however, IMO, casey’s failure to give her parents some sort of closure by telling the truth is as reprehensible as murdering her child. She is nasty to the core.

  154. silverbullit said, on February 16, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    Just read over at Hinky’s Jose had his driving license suspended for not paying a $23 fine! Fishing and Lawerying license in good standing….for a little while yet!

  155. Just Being Me said, on February 16, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    mainstreamfair said, on February 15, 2011 at 6:09 pm I happen to be possession of a roll of the Henkel rare duct tape and I live in Nova Scotia, Canada. The only difference in my roll of tape, it doesn’t have the the black Henkel logo right on the tape itself but all other specifications are the exact same as the rare tape, where it was manufactured and the temps it can withstand.
    This is my very first comment in here for a few days now so, Ina, I am none of the above people. Be nice!

    ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
    buwahahahahahahaha

  156. Terrytsk said, on February 16, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    JB Mission’s comment, “But I do find JA a little antsy. It’s like he’s always annoyed, don’t you think? Wow, if he’s like that now, I can’t imagine what the poor guy’s going to be like during the trial. He needs to calm down. Sometimes I think JA’s act is all for show..like “look at me..I’m on your side you angry bloggers!!” “Please like me ..please like me” Look how I’m fighting that evil Bozo fellow..”Don’t ya like me now?” Kinda reminds me of my dog when she needs to go outside. She’s a beautiful dog. She’s a St. Bernard-Collie mix. She has a long coat and puppy looking face.. a real cute doggie-woggie.. I just love her!
    But he is an angry guy, don’t you think? And Linda Drane Burdick, well she’s average. If I had to rate her..not knowing her win-lose record..BTW do you know Baez’s win-lose record?
    Anyways..assessing her by her court room demeanor I’d rate her a 5 on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the highest. Now that I’m thinking about it, Baez is just as courtroom savvy as she is…the only thing different he has more confidence.
    Oh well..that’s my opinion on the attorneys involved in this case. In case anyone’s interested…NOT!!
    LOL..enjoy your day everybody,
    cuz you know I am..
    hahaha..later”

    And you don’t think this tirade proves your purpose. Throwing in that last little bit,
    LOL..enjoy your day everybody,
    cuz you know I am..
    hahaha..later

    Are we all supposed to cringe because Minnie Fragg, I mean JB Mission, has spoken. Sorry, Minnie Fragg was a poster on Investigation Discovery who used to do her best to antagonize and stir up the pot with offensive comments like the one I just quoted and then she’s say, “hey I didn’t mean to upset anyone, I’m offering a PB and jam sandwich in peace”. Then the posters would say, “aww, Minnie Fragg’s such a nice person. I love PB and jam sandwiches”. Right. She also played poker on her very limited time off of posting. It must be a full time job there, JB’s Mission. If you’re not the Minnie Fragg, ignore that part of my comment. I have noted you use the same stupid peace offering of PB and jam sandwiches on this site.

    Carry on with your asinine comments and laugh your ass off. You only undermine any possiblity that anyone would ever take your thoughts seriously when you talk like you did in the above quoted comment.

  157. LMAO said, on February 17, 2011 at 1:20 am

    March 2/3 hearings should be very interesting. I predict doom for the defense. I love the way Judge Perry gives the defense just enough rope to trip its self up with.

    I see BAB is back will be up tomorrow. Whatever will the seagull do now?

    JB is entitled to her opinions as are we all. I don’t understand why a diagreement over theories and facts has to turn into personal attacks by either side. Justice will win out in the end and Casey will be convicted.

  158. LMAO said, on February 17, 2011 at 1:22 am

    Just Being Me said, on February 16, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    mainstreamfair said, on February 15, 2011 at 6:09 pm I happen to be possession of a roll of the Henkel rare duct tape and I live in Nova Scotia, Canada. The only difference in my roll of tape, it doesn’t have the the black Henkel logo right on the tape itself but all other specifications are the exact same as the rare tape, where it was manufactured and the temps it can withstand.
    This is my very first comment in here for a few days now so, Ina, I am none of the above people. Be nice!

    ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
    buwahahahahahahaha

    I join you in your laughter! She leaves gull plop no matter she goes. I suggest she use her Henkel tape to stifle her nasty mouth.

  159. frankie said, on February 17, 2011 at 8:57 am

    I love the picture of bozo that accompanies the latest article about his lying…..LOL, it looks like his nose just keeps getting longer and more pointed….like Pinocchios!

    I think Mr. Ashton’s being antsy and annoyed is a direct result of finding himself in the position of having to describe the brutal murder of a not quite three year old by her nasty mother. Ms. Drane-Burdick is a lovely woman….I would rate her a 10 on the cindy anthony scale!

  160. Whoops said, on February 17, 2011 at 11:03 am

    Frankie,

    You mean this one where he looks like Pee Wee Herman?

    http://i51.tinypic.com/2yw791w.jpg

  161. gull ivers travels said, on February 17, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Terrystk.. I think Jeff Ashton and Linda D Burdek, are the only two people who at any time have spoken up for the poor little victim of this crime. Not her family, thats for sure. Their entire focus is helping the killer escape her crime. The defense team is there for the money and the notoriety. Don’t even go there and say they are not getting paid the big bucks, they have already blown through some of the big bucks, all sadly gotten by using the victim. They are there for the possibilities that are out there after the trial is over. I’d say the look at me look at me comment you made relates better to Baez in his too tight, over the top expensive suits, smirky suit and lifted eyebrows. His inappropriate snickering with the defendent is puke worthy when you stiop and think about why they are sitting there.

  162. gull ivers travels said, on February 17, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Terrystk.. I was refering to the comments you were refering to, just wanted to clear that up, it could sound like I thought you made those remarks.

  163. gull ivers travels said, on February 17, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    whoops, those pics were so funny. He sure does look like his nose has grown.

  164. LindaNewYork said, on February 18, 2011 at 6:29 am

    Wow. Off line since Feb 6th and come back ans surprise! The defense team accused of lying. Again. LOL! Lots of catching up to do this weekend.

    And I see gravatars are still being stolen and blog war brought here. Again. Sad.

    May is getting closer….

  165. BEES KNEES said, on February 18, 2011 at 8:59 am

    So last we’ve been told Jury selection is set to begin May 9 with opening statements and testimony beginning on May 16. Is that still the case? We could almost start a countdown.

  166. gull ivers travels said, on February 18, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    I would love to have Bill Sheaffers take on why this defense team continues to be allowed to make a mockery of the judicial system in Florida. I understand that they want at all cost to not have anything allow for a mistrial or a successful appeal, but what they have been allowed to get away with, and continue to do even after the continual reprimands from the court.

    I can not wait for this trilal to start, and I truly hope that justice for Caylee is carried out by a jury of Casey Anthonys peers. Some people have evil inside them, Casey is one of them. No mother would ever go 31 days without reporting a child missing, no mother would have a happy face on while their child was missing and no mother would mislead the police who, when they finally were made aware of the childs plight were desperatley trying to locate her. Tring to make kher a heroine is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard of, and anyone participating in that should be ashamed of themselves.

  167. frankie said, on February 18, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Whoops: That is the picture! LOL….it is so appropriate after this latest round of proven lying!

    Gull iver: I too would love to have Mr. Sheaffers thoughts on this. I am so saddened by these buffoons. I applaud CJ Perry’s patience, but darn, enough is enough. These ridiculous scum sucking bottom feeding attorneys are so unprofessional. One would think the Florida Bar would step up and do something about these clowns. I suppose the good Judge could fine them, but bozo wouldn’t pay it anyway….maybe a few days in the 33rd street lock up with the heroine of this sad tragedy would make him think about his client instead of his infamy for awhile.

  168. LindaNewYork said, on February 18, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    Ok Bees…let’s start the countdown…..

  169. Autumn said, on February 18, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    Couldn’t it be that Ashton is just sick and tired of the incompetence of the defense and the leniency of JP?

  170. Autumn said, on February 18, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    I’m watching the last hearing again, and have to say, if anyone’s antsy, it’s Baez. Ashton is justifiably frustrated with the defense, again.

  171. BEES KNEES said, on February 18, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    OK, Linda. But maybe not quite daily yet. Maybe weekly for the next month and then daily? So, as of now there are 79 DAYS till jury selection begins. Right around the corner!

  172. BEES KNEES said, on February 18, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    Autumn, in my opinion JA’s behaviour has been stellar. Can you imagine the intolerable frustration in dealing with that idiot? It must take every bit of control to not throw himself at bozo’s head and bang it into the desk a few times. I think it is unfair of JP to allow the frustration to have reached this level. But JA will have the last laugh once casey’s convicted and bozo’s trying to scrape together a mortgage payment by selling used cars.

  173. Autumn said, on February 19, 2011 at 8:13 am

    Bees Knees,

    I’m baffled. JB has proven his ignorance when it comes to criminal law, he’s lied to the judge repeatedly, he hasn’t complied with numerous deadlines set by the judge, why is he even allowed to defend Casey? Because she chose him? Is it beyond the court’s ability to discharge an idiot when it might well be in the best interest of the defendant to do so?

    What’s Cheney Mason’s role in all of this now? An aging paperweight? He should be banging JB’s head into the desk, or at the very least telling him to sit down and STFU!

    Why hasn’t Cindy taken off her shoe and thrown it yet? She can’t be so stupid that she thinks Baez is doing a really good job, can she?

    In my heart of hearts I believe that they’re all, the defense and the Anthony’s, eagerly waiting all of this to be over so they can make their millions off of Caylee. The only good to come out of all of this is that Casey will be found guilty as charged of murdering her daughter, for which I couldn’t care less if she pays with her life.

    Before leaving for the day I’ve been looking into why Baez would be so bent on Broward and Dade county. It’s been said that he thinks he can do well with a predominately Hispanic jury. The following links might shed some light on the subject.

    http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12/12099.html

    If anyone accesses the above link, please note the Hispanic population of Broward and Dade counties in light of the information contained in the following article.

    http://www.therightjury.com/publications_real_purpose.html

    “During voir dire, the attorney must set the stage for the jury so they know what to expect if they are chosen. It is often said that a case is won or lost on voir dire because it is the first time that the attorney has the chance to build a rapport with the prospective jurors. Since it is essential that each juror serving be sympathetic to the case the attorney wishes to present, voir dire must be utilized as a tool to precondition jurors. [41] Preconditioning serves two important functions: it prevents the jury from thinking that the attorneys are trying to hide information because the bad evidence is admitted right away, and it causes the jury to be familiar and sympathetic to the client’s case. [42] While preconditioning may not be a “proper” role for voir dire, we do not live in a perfect world and sometimes justice is best served by preparing prospective jurors to be receptive to views they may not have otherwise had coming into court.”
    :-) I’m leaning toward a jury selection from Hillsborough County, though closer in proximity, it seems the better match to me. But what the heck do I know!

    Good Saturday to you all.

  174. Hazaka said, on February 19, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Autumn said, on February 19, 2011 at 8:13 am
    Bees Knees,

    I’m baffled. JB has proven his ignorance when it comes to criminal law, he’s lied to the judge repeatedly, he hasn’t complied with numerous deadlines set by the judge, why is he even allowed to defend Casey?
    ——————————
    I am most curious ……. what is your experience and/or background to judge Baez’s knowlege or lack thereof???

  175. Whoops said, on February 19, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    “I am most curious ……. what is your experience and/or background to judge Baez’s knowlege or lack thereof???”
    ——-

    Allow me to answer this question if you please. The same as yours Hazaka, we read, we watch news, we comprehend and we share our opinions unlike you and your simple minded insipid one liners we have had to endure for over two years.

  176. Hazaka said, on February 19, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Whoops said —–

    I must say… it is quite presumptuous of you to a:) reply to a question posed to someone else especially since you are making incorrect assumptions and b:) to be quite nasty ……….

  177. BEES KNEES said, on February 19, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    Broward? Dade? Hillsborough? HUH? ‘K ~ am off to look for a map of Florida counties. Hi Whoops!

  178. Whoops said, on February 19, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Hey Bees, how you be? Countdown in progress anyway you want to do it. lol

  179. thejbmission said, on February 20, 2011 at 1:44 am

    Oh Gee Thanks TerryTsk,
    I wondered who it was that left the “exact” same comment at my place. Minnie Fragg, huh? And she liked to play poker too, just like me? hmm..well, that really narrows it down.
    But all kidding aside, I’ve never posted a comment at Discovery. Ever, never.. So think whatever you like.
    Art tart and I have a neutral relationship. I’ve been blogging with her for a long time, even before I came to WordPress. She’s the “Bozo Hater” Every now and then she leaves a little diddy on my site and I return the favor. I almost expect it.
    But truth be known I like art tart.
    Oh well..just dropped in to read and stumbled on TerryTsk’s comment. Just for that revealing information, I see it was worth the trip.
    LOL..carry on guys and have a nice weekend.

  180. thejbmission said, on February 20, 2011 at 1:54 am

    Ooops, I almost forgot.. Thank you LMAO for your profound comment.
    We all have a right to our own opinion. :D
    A Special Good Day to you!!

  181. BEES KNEES said, on February 20, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Here’s a good article highlighting the numerous talents of jozé bozé.

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    “His overall behavior, they wrote, showed “a total lack of respect for the rights of others and a total lack of respect for the legal system, which is absolutely inconsistent with the character and fitness qualities required of those seeking to be afforded the highest position of trust and confidence recognized by our system of law.”

    http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/may/03/casey-anthonys-lawyer-jose-baez-rejected-florida-b/

  182. art tart said, on February 20, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    thejbmission! I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE EVER posted ANYTHING at your site. I don’t visit your site, I know your opinions, I respectfully disagree with you on most things but I do respect your opinion. I think it’s great you have a blog, it’s just that the few blogs I post with demand opinions are backed up with facts, this blog does not but the few other’s I comment with do demand it & that is what I prefer.

    I did read this week on a BLOG where a commentor said: “I just visited a strange site. It was thejbmission.” She ask other blogger’s if it was JOSE BAEZ’S BLOG because the opinions were from the perspective of the Defense! LOL! I never thought of the JB being the initials of Baez! She thought JBMISSION was JOSE BAEZ MISSION. I didn’t reply to her as most blogs want commenter’s to stay on topic but JB, you are a supporter of Baez & I can understand why she thought that.

    I am not a Baez hater, I don’t hate anyone. I think Baez is a complete idiot & apparently 90% of the comment’s I read about Baez think the same. I read at Web Sleuth’s & Hinky Meter, & read at a few other’s, the commenter’s there seem to demand more information to support a theory, those that don’t have evidence to support their theories aren’t usually happy commenting there. I think the comments at Hal’s Blog are entertaining, they have a few attorney’s posting there now.

    Baez is an embarassment to Criminal Defense Attorney’s that understand the law, act professionally, aren’t sanctioned, & weren’t denied a license to practice law for 8 years because of unethical behavior! thejbmission, just wait, Baez is in trouble again with the Licensing Board, I am shocked you don’t think KC deserves a “Competent Defense Attorney!” The “Backstreet Lawyer” did a good topic on Baez awhile back asking WHY BAEZ with his minimal experience was leading KC’s team. When an attorney is challenged by his peers & has become the laughing stock of this case, why wouldn’t you want KC to have a competent defense attorney? When other attorney’s DON’T THINK HE IS COMPETENT, well, AZLawyer said he was “very, very, minimal,” why do you think he is capable of giving KC a good defense?

    One thing is for sure, Baez will deliver to KC the verdict “she so richly deserves!”

  183. art tart said, on February 20, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    BEES KNEES~!

    Hey friend, I have been looking for you. YES, poor Baez, the Licensing Board sited “financial irresponsibility as another problem for Baez.” He wouldn’t even pay child support on one child, $ 500.00 per month, he leased a Miata the Board sited when he had outstanding debts, a bankruptsy, 2 defunct bikini shops, failed to pay a Court Reporter for services so she turned it over to the Board & they got on his butt about that.” Baez had to PAY EVERYONE to resolve his “unethical behavior for 8 years,” but he has only resorted back to once the Board gave him his license. WILL THE BOARD TAKE HIS LICENSE at the end of this case? Depends on how strong the complaint is against Baez but if it is from B CONWAY, Baez will probably lose his license again.

    The appalling thing is, when the BOARD FINALLY ALLOWED Baez to practice law, with holding his licensse for 8 years, he has:

    1. Lied to Judge P’s face about the Collect Call from the Jail, of course Judge Perry listened to the COLLECT CALL TO BAEZ!

    2. With minimal experience, he is now SANCTIONED! Something most”reputable attorney’s never receive.”

    3. Continues to be financially irresponsible, has not ONE BUT TWO HOUSES in foreclosure, seems a bit arrogant for a 3 yr. attorney when he took this case bought a house for over $ 600,000.00, guess he thought KC would make him rich! IDIOT!

    4. Has been dropped by COMPETENT ATTORNEY’S, imo, not because of money, but because the mistakes that were made in the beginning of this case can’t be undone leaving KC facing the DP. B Sheaffer said this case will stick to the attorney’s for 20 yrs., Baden, Lyon’s, & Dr. Lee DROPPED this miserable case leaving Baez flapping his jaws & whining in circles.

    5. Baez has been called out by other attorney’s for incompetence, M NeJames for one, he told Mason that “Baez was not only INCOMPETENT, but he was a LIAR ALSO!NeJame is correct, Baez is a LIAR!

    6. NeJames said a COMPTENT ATTORNEY SHOULD HAVE HAD THIS CASE RESOLVED, KC should have gotten 15 yrs. in exchange for the remains site of Caylee & the manner of death.

    7. T Lenamon has expressed grave concerns for the direction Baez has taken this case, Lenamon has said Baez is “all or nothing.” The problem for Baez is this, KC isn’t walking away from the murder of Caylee, she NEVER WAS, due to his inexperience, Baez thought it would be easy to “create reasonable doubt,” he now understands he was wrong about that too.

    8. When well respected Attorney’s & a STATE Attorney give opinions on the case & time after time the Defense is sinking lower & lower, at what point does someone on the DT TRY TO SAVE KC’S LIFE? What they are doing is not going to work!

  184. art tart said, on February 20, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    Hazaka posted:
    Whoops said, on February 19, 2011 at 12:42 pm “I am most curious ……. what is your experience and/or background to judge Baez’s knowlege or lack thereof???”
    ——-
    Allow me to answer this question if you please. The same as yours Hazaka, we read, we watch news, we comprehend and we share our opinions unlike you and your simple minded insipid one liners we have had to endure for over two years.
    ________________
    Hazaka, Whoops is correct, you don’t have to care what we say, we base our opinons on the incompetent Baez by following the case, reading ALL his MOTIONS, watching his inept performances in Court.

    But that aside, we read what the Attorney’s offer for Analysis on this case, the concern expressed by many attorney’s over the reprentation of KC, so I would at least think if you are following the case closely, READING ALL THE ANALYSIS of respected Criminal Def Attorney’s & a State Attorney, you could understand the concern most have over KC’s defense. I have not read a SINGLE POSITIVE comment by ANY attorney on Baez’s representation of KC. Since you seem to think KC richly deserves Baez, don’t be shocked by the Verdict she receives.

  185. Hazaka said, on February 21, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Autumn said, on February 19, 2011 at 8:13 am

    I’m baffled. JB has proven his ignorance when it comes to criminal law, he’s lied to the judge repeatedly, he hasn’t complied with numerous deadlines set by the judge, why is he even allowed to defend Casey?
    ———————————————————————-

    art tart said — My point to Whoop is the same to you…. Autumn pronounced as judgement on what Baez know or doesn’t know…. I was just asking what is Autumn’s frame of reference on his competence.

  186. Autumn said, on February 21, 2011 at 9:28 am

    Whoops said:

    “Allow me to answer this question if you please. The same as yours Hazaka, we read, we watch news, we comprehend and we share our opinions unlike you and your simple minded insipid one liners we have had to endure for over two years.”

    Thank you, Whoops, for responding to Hazaka. It wasn’t presumptuous of you to do so at all. Feel free. I thank all who expressed support of my comment.

    Hazaka, opinion is all I have to offer, here. I try to be informed. It is my opinion, based upon what I have seen thus far, other than what she is to herself, Baez is Casey’s worst nightmare. That she allows him to continue to represent her, in my opinion, is evidence of her stupidity, which is comparable only to his ignorance when it comes to law and respect due the judge.

    Sometimes I wonder if he isn’t sabotaging this case. It’s hard to believe that someone would make so many mistakes when his client’s life hangs in the balance.

    I know that JB failed the BAR two or three times. Does anybody know if he interned somewhere before he opened a private practice?

    Also, if someone could tell me how to access documents on docstoc, it would be greatly appreciated. When I click a link or do a search on docstoc the page never gets beyond “preparing document”. The little search thingy just keeps going around and around and the document doesn’t show up. Do I have to register or change a setting? TIA.

  187. Autumn said, on February 21, 2011 at 10:01 am

    I may have been mistaken about Baez failing the Bar. While looking for more information on him to better familiarize myself with is qualifications, I found this article from 2009. In the article it states that Baez was not accepted by the Bar, but it doesn’t mention that he failed any exam.

    http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/may/03/casey-anthonys-lawyer-jose-baez-rejected-florida-b/

  188. BEES KNEES said, on February 21, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    Hiya art tart! I haven’t been posting much but I have been reading and seen many of your thoughtful and interesting comments over at Hinky’s.

    You know, I can respect many opinions without having to agree with them but I cannot find any respect for a pro-baez opinion. He’s plainly and simply bad news from EVERY direction. I don’t know why anyone would ever try to defend him (unless it was his mother maybe). There is nothing admirable about him and only everything bad and distasteful. He lies. He cheats. He bullies. He mocks. He slanders. Etc. etc. What kind of person would have respect for someone like him? Who else do they look up to?

    As you said art tart, after being denied a license for eight years he still has the nerve to behave as he does in front of the Judge! There’s something very wrong. It goes deeper than just immaturity. A learning disorder of some extreme type maybe? A functioning alcoholic? Some other substance abuse issues? It would explain how quickly he burnt through amost a half-million dollars (by some estimates). Who knows? I only know the guy is BAD NEWS and anyone who wants to convince people he’s not, has an ulterior motive. NO doubt about it. All we need is good old common sense to tell us that.

  189. BEES KNEES said, on February 21, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Is anyone at all surprised? Baez missed another deadline. Do you think Judge Perry will let it slide? I’m going to say, based on everything we’ve seen so far, he will get away with it.

    Prosecutor Wants Baez Held In Contempt Of Court

    http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/26942307/detail.html?utm_source=manual&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=casey+updates

  190. Kim said, on February 21, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    I have a question – is there a way Baez can be removed as Casey’s attorney? It seems to me that his behaviors recently are indicating a desire to be removed

  191. Hazaka said, on February 21, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Kim said —-
    ————————————–
    why do you ask?

  192. Doug Wollenburg said, on February 21, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Baez is confused!! Even I understood the Judge’s order and unlike Baez, I’m not a Law Professor teaching others as he is. Baez also says that Mason is confused…Well, working with Baez would confuse anyone. Maybe Mason is confused about why Baez keeps missing deadlines?
    It’s time that Judge Perry takes action, the defense is ignoring his rulings/orders, it’s time for the Judge to swing his gavel like Thor’s Hammer and to put the defense (Baez) down.

  193. Kim said, on February 21, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    I asked because I want to know

    seems pretty basic of a concept

  194. LindaNewYork said, on February 21, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    “Baez says he’s confused and says his co-counsel, Cheney Mason, is just as confused if not more. ”

    Hence, the names “dumb and dumber”. Or should it be “confused and more confused”? LOL

  195. art tart said, on February 21, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    Evening all,

    Autumn, it wasn’t Baez’s inability to pass the bar that prevented him from practing law for 8 years, it was his unethical conduct & lack of morals. The Bar said he had a “total disregard for other’s.” How ironic, so does KC. Since being allowed his license, Baez has continued the same behaviors the Bar “withheld his license for,” imo, he will again be reprimanded after KC’s trial, depending on who filed the complaint against Baez, for example if it was Conway, Baez may well have his license “jerked” for lying/misleading Judge Perry.

    Has everyone read the outrageous email Baez sent to Judge P? LOL! I bet Ashton/Burdick’s eyes have rolled back in their heads & stuck. How sad, confused attorney’s in a Death Penalty Case, too incompetent to ask for the ruling to be explained BEFORE THE DEADLINE~! Most Attorney’s wouldn’t have a problem understanding but when you have minimal experience, then you think you are smarter than everyone else, you CONTINUE TO APPEAR STUPID! STUPID! STUPID!

    “Dangerously Close as Bill Sheaffer is warning!” I thought IGNORANCE WAS NO EXCUSE IN THE LAW!

  196. Just Being Me said, on February 21, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    How coincidental! The defense lets loose a big stinky, the clueless crawl out of the woodwork (read paid PR) and a few days later, the State releases really, really, really good discovery! Can’t wait for the States turn! ROFLMAO!!!!!!

    bozo and foghorn….aka….losers and liars! Didn’t their Mama’s ever teach them that once you’ve ruined your reputation, it is hard to get it back? Oh, forgot, evidently their Mama’s didn’t teach them anything at all about integrity and honesty. Maybe they both had momsters like casey and cindy?

    I wonder when bozo will list Linda Drane Burdick and Jeff Ashton as witnesses? Maybe they should just list the entire SAO and LE in Orange County! That should delay things and cost the State a fortune…..that seems to be their MO.

    TaTa for now!

    ——————————————————————————————————————–
    Whoever or should I say what animal authored this piece of this trash is showing their own true colors. Is this an ex-convict? Or should I say a loser and a liar. Mama didn’t teach you right either. oooh that’s right you’re on the internet. No with any self-respected person would openly speak these words on a public forum. This comment is trash exactly like the one who wrote it. Pssf..whatever

  197. BEES KNEES said, on February 21, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    I think he was simply stalling until after the Chicago conference, hoping he might recruit some cool new experts while there. He didn’t want to commit to any disclosure he had to turn over before he left. Remember, he is going to do things HIS way ~ not JP’s. Predictably Judge Perry, fearing the dreaded appeals process, will give him yet another free pass and predictibly baez will interpret that to mean he is infallible and a wonderfully clever attorney!

  198. Doug Wollenburg said, on February 22, 2011 at 1:07 am

    Well Febuary is almost over. Isn’t Cindy’s “disabilty” suppose to run out soon?? After spending all this time living on others money with no job or kid(s) to take care of perhaps she see’s things the way Casey does…”La Bella Vida” indeed.

  199. gull ivers travels said, on February 22, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Cindys disability should have been rescinded long ago in my opinion. The unending gall of this family really makes most normal people sick to their stomaches. She plans to be a wealthy woman at the end of this trial whichever way it goes. It makes no difference to her the reason for the trial, Caylee became disposable long ago to the whole bunch of them. I had always hoped that someone, anyone in the extended family would stand up for the victim, but that seems to be too much to hope for. Seeing her and her BFF sitting in the courtroom, behind the defense table, having a grand old time pretty much says it all.

    As for the defense team, other than fruitcakes, who could find anythin to admire there?I am surprised the defense supporters haven’t packed up their tents and moved on to the case in NC, insisting that the murderer of that precious child is being set up like Caylees killer mom.

  200. frankie said, on February 22, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    Just Being Me said, on February 21, 2011 at 8:50 pm *****

    I said it and I really don’t care what you think!

    The big defense stinky = contempt of a court order in ignoring a deadline….again

    clueless crawling out of the woodwork = those who REPEATEDLY ask redundant questions and/or make untruthful statements. Also those who attack others for no reason at all

    Really, really good discovery = the State amended witness list, calling on casey’s family to testify AGAINST the princess

    Really? How many lies does the defense have to tell before they are recognized as liars, and, IMO, liars are always losers in the end.

    So whatever YOUR problem is….deal with it. You are always free to skip right on over my comments if they offend you, but I will continue to say what I darn well please. Including this statement: I do not intend to be drawn into your attempted disruption of the conversation at hand. I am now silent on your uninformed opinion of me.

  201. frankie said, on February 22, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    Heard on the news today that Somer Thompson’s mother is donating money to other families who have lost children……but she is checking with LE first to make sure they had nothing to do with the disappearance/death of the child. She must have a bad taste in her mouth from the anthony fiasco. Didn’t the Thompson family say thanks, but no thanks to the anthony’s offer to “help”?

  202. gull ivers travels said, on February 22, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Yes frankie, and wasn’t that a wonderful moment in this saga of greed and recognition wanted by the family of Caylee, and anyone else who used her name to garner the limelight for themselves. Even the crew in Satsuma didn’t want their help.

  203. art tart said, on February 22, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    frankie, I saw Somer Thompson’s mother in an interview about a month ago where she was visiting a family of a murdered child. She is just awesome, so honest & determined to help families of murdered children. In the interview she said too that their foundation wanted to “suppport families with money, they didn’t say how much but I think it was immediate necessities such as food, utilities, funeral expenses, etc.” Sadly too, she reminded us that “she was a member of a club that nobody wants to be a member of, parent’s of murdered children.”

    Yep, it was Ronald Cummings in Satsuma that told GA/CA/Kid Finder’s to GET OUT, they didn’t need their help. The Anthony’s were yet appalling again, GA had just been released after his “Suicide Attempt,” yet he shows up in Satsuma & does a National TV interview dispencing advice to the audience. Of course that interview came back to bite them in the a$$ when they claimed they were “too upset to do a deposition.” LOL!

  204. frankie said, on February 22, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    LOL “suicide” by pizza and beer! That stuff will kill you I hear, but he would have had to hide out in that seedy old hotel for a few decades!

    Gull Ivers: It was indeed. Ms. Thompson truly deserves our sympathy. Her actions have given me hope that not everyone is as crass and heartless as the anthonys. I will never understand why they have abandoned their precious grandchild. I can’t get over how they left her in the woods..I literally lost sleep over Caylee being scavenged by creatures.

  205. Mineral Blue said, on February 22, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Mr. Sheaffer,

    I would like to ask you, now that the prosecutors want Judge Perry to call Jose Baez forward to explain why he should not be held in contempt for failing to meet another deadline, what could happen as a result? I mean, aside from fining Baez again or jailing him for a short time, is there something that JP can do, to remove him from this particular case? I ask because, well, looking at Linda Drane-Burdick’s face, I see pain, anger, and disgust. I don’t blame her; Baez’s procrastination and excuses would drive me nuts too! Judge Perry is so very impressive. I know things are in the best hands with him. He seems a Master at balancing a bit of leniency toward Baez because this is a death penalty case and JP is trying to build an irreversible record; and telling him to get off his high horse and MOVE IT. I would love it if you would weigh in on this! Thanks for all you share with us ~ it is SO interesting!

  206. Anti Rumours and Weeds said, on February 23, 2011 at 7:12 am

    Good Morning Mr Sheaffer et al:

    Mineral Blue@ 11:04 Feb 22 unequivocal talking points outlined. What should be front and center in a DP case , arguing the Law/facts. Baez & Mason have squandered the most precious aspect to date.. preparing for trial. IMO the flagrant disregard for protocol is apparent, both are failing miserably intentionally. If Mason had the stellar reputation, why would he risk his career over antics invariably will prove detrimental?
    No trump card, no ace in the hole, no aha moment, only a come to Jesus revelation.

    Contempt is a gimme, maintaining integrity paramount. Wondering tho as you stated, if balancing will net a mistrial? Judge Perry continues the balancing boardwalk of egg shells.

  207. Groundhog Day at Bill's said, on February 23, 2011 at 9:02 am

    The only remedy for Baez is to hit his personal pocket. Perry should impose the $500.00 a day sanction. Then Baez will either produce what he needs to or admit he never had it in the first place. Mason should be held in contempt too. He has been involved in this case too long to feign ingorance of his boy’s antics.

  208. frankie said, on February 23, 2011 at 9:47 am

    CJ Perry has a difficult job to be sure. I wonder if he could throw bozo off the case? Such an action would certainly delay the trial but I don’t think that is CJ Perry’s chief concern. I think he would not hesitate to precipitate a delay in the interest of justice for any client.

    I am curious as to motivation for such buffoonery. I cannot believe either of the defense attorneys are as ignorant and arrogant as they appear. So that begs the question, WHY is bozo doing this? It certainly is not for money, as the anthonys have none. It may be that his future literary endeavors require such antics to keep the public interested since the crime itself, at least at first glance, is no mystery.

  209. gull ivers travels said, on February 23, 2011 at 10:26 am

    knowing tht pretty much the whole world is watching this case, in most part because of the theatrics of the grandmother and the bumbling attorney, I would hope that the Honorable Judge will keep a tight rein on the antics of the defense. As one of the millions of interested onlookers, there seems to be very little concern for the reason they all sit in court. The very people who are trying to obtain justice for the tiny little victim are not only made to jump through clown size hoops, but there is no co-operation or concern extended to them by the family.

  210. frankie said, on February 23, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    Maybe Caylee’s legacy will be that we are all being forced to look at the deficiencies in our legal system. It is time, IMO, to take a long hard look at the criminal justice system in this country….it seems that it is high time to quit relying on the integrity of the populace at large and revamp our liberal attitude to those who commit crimes against others.

  211. gull ivers travels said, on February 23, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    especially the defenseless.

  212. Anti Rumours and Weeds said, on February 24, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    Good Afternoon:

    Pipitone asserts new information…IMO its nothing more than blog fodder for Feb ratings!
    If the DT proffers a plea that gives full accounting, then per Sheaffers phrase, “White Noise”. is the key word. Why should the State entertain @ this juncture, anyway?

    Hornsby back peddles too! Minor thing, and professes he does not keep up with the case, why does he offer insight to a case that is one of Flordias blockbusters?
    Hornsby was posting on WS yesterday….offering damage control..lol

  213. True Bonnie said, on February 24, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Just Being Me said Whoever or should I say what animal authored this piece of this trash is showing their own true colors. Is this an ex-convict? Or should I say a loser and a liar. Mama didn’t teach you right either. oooh that’s right you’re on the internet. No with any self-respected person would openly speak these words on a public forum. This comment is trash exactly like the one who wrote it. Pssf..whatever

    tttttttttrashttttttttt
    I agree Frankie does sound like a lunatic. This person went from insulting attorneys that he/she doesn’t know to insulting their mothers. buwahahahahaha
    Without a doubt the DT is not paying heed to Honorable Judge Perry’s deadlines but he/she obviously doesn’t have the upbringing or education to state her opinion on an open forum without the white noise. I happened to read one of the Wikiileaks from the private closet of a well-known antagonistic blogger. I was shocked to see how many familiar nick names that participated in slandering innocent people. Sadly Frankie was one of them. Yes, its another display of Frankie’s True Colors.
    Rock on Just Being Me. Trash is an under statement

  214. amoyhy said, on February 26, 2011 at 2:36 am

    It is a great news that Anthony is no longer a player of Denver Nuggets. He is traded to New York Knicks, and his number is become 7 now. What’s important is that I got the New York Knicks #7 Anthony jersey. LOL

  215. Bring In The Clowns said, on February 26, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Murt posted this for all of us to share. Thank you Murt.

    http://www.yfrog.com/froggy.php?username=MURTWITNESSONE

  216. Terrytsk said, on February 27, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    Do you (2 or 3) people really believe there is only one Frankie posting on the World Wide Web. You’re talking about millions of people from countries around the world. Ludicrous.

    Frankie I hope you are just ignoring this nonsense. I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments. I think Team Casey members are getting desperate. May is fast approaching.

  217. frankie said, on February 28, 2011 at 8:25 am

    Thank you Terrytsk. LOL I seriously doubt that my limited comments on a few blogs has elicited the attention of Wikileaks. If they have, Wikileaks surely has bigger fish to fry and needs to refocus….sort of like casey anthony’s attorneys. They are so busy with the small fry that they are missing the whale just off the starboard side!

    Yes, desperate people make desperate moves and the defense team has their backs against the wall….It is almost March and they have nothing. If they want to change casey’s version now, they have to put her on the stand to testify as to WHAT happened. The SA would love that wouldn’t they? Otherwise, they are stuck with the imaginanny story and cheap jibes at SODDI. I think CJ Perry will shut those down in a hurry….foghorn’s good old boy status notwithstanding.

    Was that a train I heard? Or the wheels of Justice for Caylee?

  218. art tart said, on February 28, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Frankie, you are so correct, you just have to laugh at the comment. It is unfreaking believable that trial will start in a few months & Baez HAS NOTHING to show for all the money wasted & no viable defense for “his girl!”

    It’s scary to see how “much valuable time Baez wasted in KC’s case,” it certainly won’t be lost on KC or the Anthony’s once the Verdict rolls in. My prediction: The chit will hit the fan as soon as KC is convicted, the accusations will be hurled at the Defense from the New Appeal Attorney & KC, the ANT’s on their Media Tour, the COMPLAINT with the Fla. Bar will be addressed, possible other charges against Baez.

    AZLawyer said that even if D Casey’s investigative depo wasn’t used in the trial, it could possibly be used against the ANT’s as there was no “confidentiality with the ANT’s/DC if there was anything in it. Judge Pirro said DC would be charged with “obstruction” & he hasn’t been thus far, could he have gotten a “deal” instead of an “obstruction charge?” Beaz’s behavior has been embarassing, bordering on unthical, shady at the least, imo. They say it “ain’t over til it’s over or till the FAT LADY sings,” imo, the Fat Lady will sing with the reprucussions & fall out once the trial is over.

  219. Terrytsk said, on February 28, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    ArtTart, it’s funny you used the word shady to describe the inmates defense crew, yet so fitting of course. In one of the transcriptions from a show (I think JVM) they transcribed the esteemed, renowned, legend in his own mind attorney, Mr. Cheney Mason as Shady Mason. LOL.

  220. Terrytsk said, on February 28, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    There’s been an uproar about the media calling the area, across from the courthouse where they will be setting up camp during the trial, “Casey Town”. I agree it’s crass and appears to be glorifying the defendant in a murder trial of her 2 year old child.

    I will from now on call one Ms. Casey Marie Anthony the defendant. No more Casey this and Casey that. This whole use of the “Case Against Casey” by the media is glorifying her.

    I notice Judge Perry rarely calls her by name. He usually calls her the defendant, althought a few times he called her Mrs. Anthony, ha ha ha. I swear her eyes just about pop out of her head when he calls her that. Honest mistake, I’m sure. He’s being respectful. Heck, she’s old enough to be a married woman. 25 years old this month. She’s not some naive struggling teenage mother as the defense tries to portray her as being. The defendant was 22 years old when her daughter “disappeared”.

    Inmates okay too. After all she is a convicted felon and resides in the county jail.

  221. art tart said, on February 28, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    terrytsk, how appropriate, Shady Mason. I can’t figue “what’s in it for Mason, we have watched him “appear to lose touch with reality, be so confused when trying to think of a Statute Judge P’s clerk had to pull it up on the computer for him during a hearing, we have watched Mason GIVE AN INTERVIEW when Baez was out of town claiming “the area had too much water in it, it couldn’t be searched,” then, Baez comes back to town to do DAMAGE Control & has tried to get Mason’t STATEMENT WITH HELD! You can’t make this stuff up! Mason jumped into the middle of this case spending little time UNDERSTANDING what had transpired & he continues to whine “he wasn’t there then, yadayadayada during a hearing when he can’t answer a question of Judge P’s.”

    THe smartass Shady Mason SHOULD NOT HAVE LIED about the circumstances surrounding the Defense needing the additional $ 850.00 for the Deposition Reporting in Tennessee. LOL! Too Freaking Awesome the company’s President wrote a letter EXPLAINING to Judge P the LIAR Baez/Mason are.

    Shady Mason should have kept his mouth closed, talking about Dr. Lee working for oranges & then Dr. Lee ISN’T WILLING TO WORK unless he was PAID all his money, it’s sad to see that he has worked for 40 yrs. at his profession & it has come to this, “being a grunt tagging along with a “very minimal attorney,” pleading that Judge P “forget about Baez’s incompetence & lift Baez’s sanction!” Mason needs to ask himself, “WHAT’S IN IT FOR ME except RUINING what little reputation I had left after the Sorrano Trial.

  222. BEES KNEES said, on March 1, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    art tart! Shady Mason ~ I love it! You know of all the questions I would like answers to the one I’d really like to understand is, “Why has Shady Mason hitched his old hard-of-hearing butt to Bozo’s cold, fizzled out star?” Like the caramel inside the chocolate bar will it remain one of life’s mysteries or will we discover once the trial is over that Bozo had something juicy over Shady Mason and was blackmailing him? HA HA HA!! It’s the only thing that makes sense to me. HA HA HA! Until I hear something believable I think I’ll just have to go with that!

  223. BEES KNEES said, on March 1, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    Balm to our poor, beleagured ears, Mr. Sheaffer’s voice of sanity shedding the light of honesty and common-sense.

    http://www.wftv.com/index.html

  224. LindaNewYork said, on March 2, 2011 at 6:22 am

    Jose Baez Blames Others In Motion Addressing Allegations

    Is it no wonder, Baez is thought of as “clownish”?

  225. Anti Rumours and Weeds said, on March 2, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Good Morning Mr. Sheaffer et al:

    ROTFLMAO…Enjoyed the “Animal House” reference! Wondering tho’ [insert sarcasm] if Baez/Mason still have a sense of humour? YES sir, may I have another applies, and to test the Chief Judge IMO is liken to another poignant moment, you know when the Frat Bros enter the nightclub where Otis and the Knights are performing…sha ma la ding dong!! lol

  226. Beast said, on March 2, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    Casey was NOT under arrest thats why no rights were read to her. She was “supposed” to be the mother of a missing child at the time. Thats how the cops were treating her.

  227. Hazaka said, on March 3, 2011 at 6:57 am

    Beast said, on March 2, 2011 at 5:17 pm
    Casey was NOT under arrest thats why no rights were read to her. She was “supposed” to be the mother of a missing child at the time. Thats how the cops were treating her.
    ============================
    Actually, THAT remains to be seem — if someone is handcuffed … if someone is “interrogated” as Melich indicated she was …… very possibly, that person is in custody — ESPECIALLY if there was no plan to return her to her home —-and Miranda rights possibly SHOULD have been read.

  228. Hazaka said, on March 3, 2011 at 8:01 am

    —–And — for those who “care” — in a sense, “interrogation” is a term of art meaning: “Interrogation or questioning is interviewing as commonly employed by officers of the police, military, and Intelligence agencies with the goal of extracting a confession or obtaining information.”

    If, this is not so — Bill, please “elucidate”!

  229. gull ivers travels said, on March 3, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Have you ever watched Cops? There are innumerable times that a person is handcuffed and told “you are not under arrest at this time, this is for your protection and mine until we sort this out”..etc… As for interrogation, how many times have any of us used the words ourselves if we felt we were being asked to many questions. Certainly we were not under arrest while our folks were asking wheer have you been, who were you with, but we were being interrogated allthe same. As far as Casey Anthony goes, she was never the mother of a missing child. She was the mother of a murdered child, she knew where she was the whole time.

  230. frankie said, on March 4, 2011 at 7:45 am

    Given casey’s volatile temper as witnessed in the jail videos, she may have been acting out and was restrained to protect others and secure the scene. She was not under arrest at the time because LE thought they were looking for a MISSING child, not a murdered one.

  231. Terrytsk said, on March 4, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    At the end of the hearing today when the attorneys were called to the side bar the defendant and lawyer Michelle Medina were reading something on Mason’s screen. Isn’t that the screen that was set up for him for Real Time transcription via the Court Reporter? Was she transcribing the side bar conversation and it was showing up on Mason’s screen? They both appeared really interested in what they were reading and Ms. Anthony appeared irritated. Of course it could have been absolutely anything they were reading. It just struck me as odd.

  232. Mrs. Clark said, on March 4, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    Hi Mr. Sheaffer, I just wanted to drop by and say thanks for the videos on wftv. I love watching this case, but I find it difficult to see every video from the hearings. I try to watch your videos to get brought up-to-date. What I especially like is that you are willing to give the defense some “credit”, as most of the pundits love to just crucify them. I do think Casey is responsible for her own daughter’s death….but I respect that it must be proven—that’s what our great judicial system says. Thanks again! You do a wonderful job of “cutting to the chase”…so that I don’t have to sit through 10 hours of video.

  233. art tart said, on March 4, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    DID GEORGE ANTHONY DEAL BLOW TO DEFENSE?

    Hal Boedeker reported on all the Orlando Media & their take on the 3 day event Hearing. George & Lee clearly were NOT AGRENT’S of the STATE, they were just trying to find Caylee on their own, in spite of CA & in spite of KC. CA continues to lie & cover for KC, she will until KC goes away forever, that is her choice, the evidence will show otherwise.

    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/03/casey-anthony-did-george-deal-a-major-blow-to-defense.html

    (snipP
    WFTV-Channel 9 legal analyst Bill Sheaffer called George’s comment “the most dramatic testimony you could have gotten. It undermined the whole defense theory.”

  234. CarmenMirnada said, on March 5, 2011 at 10:09 am

    There is a rumor that Knechel was detained for questioning regarding the letter emailed to the court and that is the reason he missed court and has been absent from his blog.

  235. Betty said, on March 5, 2011 at 10:14 am

    CarmenMirnada, were you in the court room? If so you would have seen Knechel.
    Get a life or a man and stop worrying about Knechel.

  236. LindaNewYork said, on March 5, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Beast said, on March 2, 2011 at 5:17 pm Casey was NOT under arrest thats why no rights were read to her. She was “supposed” to be the mother of a missing child at the time. Thats how the cops were treating her

    Amen, Beast~

    OK, I have got A LOT of catching up to do. I was watching/listening to some of the video’s the past two days while getting ready for work….from what I’ve seen and read around about so far, it seems to me that Geeorge, Cindy and Lee were trying to find out WTH happened to Caylee. Case of course, was not so concerned. She knew Cayllee was up the street, in the woods, where she dumped her.

    Agents for the state, my a$$.

  237. jules2835 said, on March 5, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Carmenmirnada, thank you for letting us know.
    Betty, knechel was not in the courroom yesterday, and has been absent from his blog since 7:30 am thursday morning.

  238. Betty said, on March 5, 2011 at 11:13 am

    I just made the statement because this blog has nothing to do with Knechel but I can understand the concern. I am more concerned with Casey Anthony and the outcome of the trial and if there will be justice for Caylee. Excuse me for butting in!!

  239. Beast said, on March 5, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Dave was in court Thursday, I havnt seen the video from Friday yet, well not all of them. What’s the source of the “rumour”?

  240. Hazaka said, on March 5, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Hum —- just curious, was he in or not in court?

  241. Terrytsk said, on March 5, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Regarding Real Time Reporting for the hearing impaired. I mentioned this above regarding the final side bar but noticed it again on the link to Cindy Anthony’s testimony. Michelle Medina sits down and lifts the cover to the laptop part way up and both her and the defendant read what the court reporter has transcribed. I wouldn’t think that would be within the rules. Otherwise the defendants would be allowed to attend the side bar discussion. Isn’t this opening the door for all defendants to have access to Real Time transcription during side bar issues. I’m sure the attorneys report back to their clients what was covered during the side bar but they don’t have the opportunity to hear/read verbatim. I would think some things are off the record and may not relate directly to the defendant? Or am I wrong about that?

    In this particular example at 1:58 into the video. Michelle Medina surreptitiously lifts the cover up and they both lean down peeking at the content.
    http://www.wftv.com/video/27080164/index.html

  242. Saschamaroon said, on March 6, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    Kind of off topic, but I just recently remembered that the reason (per Jesse) that Casey broke off her engagement was the same issue she had w/her mother the night she left after the fight at Hopespring Dr. Casey accused both Jesse and her mother of loving Caylee more than her. One would hope both instances would be referenced by the prosecution.

  243. frankie said, on March 7, 2011 at 7:28 am

    Saschamaroon: I have read other comments stating the belief that casey killed Caylee because she was jealous of her. Until your comment above, I hadn’t given that much credence. OMGoodness, how could a mother be jealous of her precious child? But, sadly, you and the others must be right.

  244. Whoops said, on March 7, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    Sadly Dr. Lillian Glass has taken on the role of a Tabloid Journalist and has lost perspective on her expertise as a “body language expert”. This latest blog by Dr. Lillian Glass, imo has nothing to do with “body language” but “body assassination”. It is simply an opinion piece and nothing more. Aside from her abysmal spelling and grammar, she has taken her craft to a new level. I guess her publishers do that menial task of editing her work. It certainly doesn’t show on her blog and leaves her credibility in question imo. I would have expected much more from her with her educational background than what she penned in her last few pieces of trash blogging.

    She has only repeated what thousands have said about the Anthony family, not that they don’t deserve it however in my opinion she has endeavored to show the Anthonys in the worst light possible. How much more on that needs to be said?

    Do not get me wrong, I have no affinity for the Anthony family. They imo represent the worst of the worst in society. I just don’t feel it necessary to express how much weight Cindy has gained when the one posting that appears to have the same problem based on the picture of her on her own website. Yes, I agree, Lee looked like a slovenly street bum in court but I am just a blogger and not a National Personality writing this rot. George was presentable but his mannerisms, voice inflections and hand gestures leave most people cold to say the least.

    Forgive my rant today as I have been doing real life things and I am just getting caught up on the past couple weeks.

    Today’s hearing was a huge yawn and not worth the watching or listening to Shady Mason ramble on for what seemed like hours. Does anyone really know what the hell he was talking about? I guess I will listen to Kathi Belich and Bill Sheaffer when Craig puts the interview up.

  245. silverbullit said, on March 7, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    The “red flag” for me that Casey was not in custody at the time of questioning was the fact that her father allowed her to be questioned without the benefit of Miranda. That is very “suspicious” to me.

  246. Whoops said, on March 7, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    Silver, it wasn’t George’s choice to allow her to be questioned. Casey was an adult and didn’t need parental permission. I doubt that George even told her she didn’t have to talk to the police nor do I think he thought that far ahead that evening. I think that Casey was in her own realm and did what she wanted to do. This is all a smokescreen by the Defense. imo

  247. silverbullit said, on March 7, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    Whoops, I see your point and I’m sure Casey thought she’d talk her way out of it. Fortunately, the smokescreen is pretty easy to see through!

  248. Autumn said, on March 8, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Having little girls of my own, I can’t imagine ever being jealous of either of them! The more who love them and strive to meet their needs, like grandparents, aunts and uncles, the better!

    I haven’t been following this case for very long, so I’m trying to gather all of the information I can on it now and from what I’ve seen and read it seems that Casey wasn’t only jealous of the relationship Caylee had with Cindy, but with everyone who expressed their love for her, like Jesse.

    I think I read somewhere that Casey didn’t marry Jesse because she thought Jesse loved Caylee more than he loved her. Is that correct? Couldn’t it even be that because Anthony Lazarro was growing fond of Caylee that Casey considered her a threat?

    In Casey’s sick way of thinking Cindy loved Caylee more, George loved Caylee more, Jesse loved Caylee more, all of her friends were fond of Caylee, and then there was Anthony Lazarro. Maybe it wasn’t just the relationship between Cindy and Caylee that Casey was so jealous of, maybe it was anyone and everyone who ever loved Caylee. I’m trying to gain a better understanding of what Lee’s relationship was to Caylee and why it seems Caylee was no threat to the relationship between Casey and her brother. I wish someone would ask him if Casey ever spoke horribly about Caylee to him. Would he answer truthfully, if someone asked?

    Casey’s behavior in the courtroom disturbs me. She seems to be enjoying being in the spot light and the center of so much attention. She seems to become agitated whenever Caylee’s name is mentioned. Does it seem that way to anyone else?

  249. nanshin said, on March 8, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    I am new to this blog. So pardon me if this question has been asked and answered. During testimony last week it was said Cindy Anthony called police 3x. One call, I believe was about the stolen car and money and Cindy wanted Casey arrested. If several officers arrived, wouldn’t that be why she was briefly “arrested” ? Then after further explanations from the family, the “real” reason was for help to find Caylee. and then Casey was removed from the squad car? Also I thought it was stated that Cindy’s agenda was to get Casey arrested and maybe that would scare the heck out of her and she would give up info. Obviously, the family had no control and it has also been stated by family members Casey lies.

  250. Terrytsk said, on March 9, 2011 at 2:17 am

    I’ve always wondered why Mason decided to jump on this sinking ship when he did. We’ve all watched the video of him giving his expert opinion where he essentially said her lawyers and family should put a sock in it. Plea or take it all the way through a circus trial where she’ll still get life. Then 1 year later he’s joined the team.

    Does anyone think he was advised that the defendant was handcuffed and not mirandized, etc. and he thought he could get her off. Law 101. Piece of cake for the mighty Mason with his 40 years of experience. Hence the comment, Casey Anthony will waltz out of court on my arm. Casey allegedly told Padilla’s flunkie Tracy she wasn’t worried because there would be a “mistrial”. This was at the end of August beginning of September 2008 long before the defendant was charged with murder.

    I wonder if the defense team members were not aware that Cindy had accused the defendant of theft and shown the deputy receipts to prove theft and demanded she be arrested. As we all know, that’s when the handcuffs came in. The defendant is a bald faced liar and George and Cindy Anthony run a close second. Their stories change constantly. Maybe Baez and team were not aware of all of the facts. All of a sudden it’s not so cut and dried.

    I’m not impressed with Baez in the least, but can you just imagine how many times he’s been blind-sided when the facts and evidence have come out that are polar opposite of the defendant and her family’s stories. Then he has to regroup and start from scratch.

    And Mr. Mason, the only CHILD involved in this case was Caylee Marie Anthony. And her 5 foot 1 inch, 110 lb. mother towered over her by atleast 3 feet and outweighed her by 70 or 80 lbs!!!!

  251. frankie said, on March 9, 2011 at 7:51 am

    Terrytsk: And Mr. Mason, the only CHILD involved in this case was Caylee Marie Anthony. And her 5 foot 1 inch, 110 lb. mother towered over her by atleast 3 feet and outweighed her by 70 or 80 lbs!!!!

    I sure hope the SA says so in court. Your comment above is spot on! One can ALMOST feel a bit of empathy for bozo…..IF he were not such a complete jerk!

  252. Sun said, on March 9, 2011 at 10:54 am

    I have been following this case since day 1. I have to agree that Mr.Biaz seems to be way over his head here. His behavior, both in and out of the courtroom, show his inexperience and his enormous ego, which seems to be his driving force. I have always thought that Casey is keeping her inept lawyer so she can use his incompetence as her reason for appeal when she is found guilty.

    I watched the pre-trial motions. I have to say that Mr.Mason is good. He made the very normal act of the police showing up and asking questions after receiving a 911 call sound AWFUL. lol. You mean officers showed up IN uniform WITH marked patrol cars and asked you questions?!? Amazing…but he sure doesn’t have much to work with here. He can thank his client for that.

  253. Terrytsk said, on March 9, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    I’ve been following this case since day 32 (?!!) also. I don’t think he fooled the judge with his ridiculous display of “absolute outrage” that his client was questioned by the big bad policemen when they responded to a 911 call to the Anthony home. I can certainly see why he’s known around town as Leghorn Foghorn. What a blowhard.

    I don’t think the defendant has a clue if her knight in shining armor is inept or not. Maybe she’s figuring it out now but it won’t matter in the long run. She has, or has had, many renowned esteemed attorneys representing her. Linda Kenny Baden, Andrea Lyon, Todd Macaluso (well he was esteemed prior to get caught with his hands in the cookie jar), Walsh from Miami, Lenamon, Simms, Finnell plus numerous other pro bono attorneys who aren’t officially listed but believe in “the cause”. I’m presuming “the cause” means they’re anti death penalty.

    If Baez’s representation of the defendant was deficient to the extent that he was incompetent each and every one of those lawyers would be bound to take action to protect their client. Their allegiance is to their client not their co-counsel. I can’t see incompetence being a viable appeal issue when she has had so many experienced capable lawyers involved. She’s an adult and makes her own decisions. Stupid as they appear to us, who are merely watching from the side gallery. It’s a learning experience for me. I love the Sunshine Laws. I wish they had them where I live.

  254. gullivers travels said, on March 9, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Terrytsk, You are right on about Mason. His behavior now, when he is on the “team” vs his honesty when he was NOT on the team is part of the reason some defense attorneys are are reviled as bottom feeders. They KNOW they have a woman who murdered a defenseless two year old, and the lure of the limelight and the deals after the “pro bono” work is done are more important than the RIGHTS of the tiny child who will become another paycheck to them.

  255. Sun said, on March 9, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    Terrytsk said, on March 9, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    I’ve been following this case since day 32 (?!!) also.

    Yes, you are right. And I have to agree with the many comments I’ve read here saying that is the single biggest problem for the Defense.
    The fact that Casey did not report her daughter missing for 31 days. And even then only because she was forced into it by her mother. They also have testimony from one of the first responding officers that she was still trying to play it off as a domestic dispute between Casey and Cindy and that Caylee was fine.
    Then once she finally admits the child has been missing for a full month she gives the lame excuse that she had been “looking for her on my own and trying to go through other resources” which she at least admits was “stupid”.

    Of course the State has a mountain of evidence showing just what she was doing during that time and just what her “other resources” were. She spent that time hanging out with friends and going out to clubs dancing. Never once mentioning to anyone that her daughter was missing. And not just allowed herself to be photographed on these ‘outings’ but seemed more than happy to pose for anyone with a camera. As if she really thought it would never come out and the police would never investigate. Never check phone records or talk to people? She really didn’t think they would check out her story? The sheer stupidity of it is just amazing.

    I think that alone is what has drawn me to this case. Casey’s behavior is so foreign and cold. She truly believes that she can fool people. I think she had gotten away with her lies with her family and friends for so very long that she came to believe she could lie to the police and get away just as easily.
    Lee describes an ‘oh shit’ moment for Casey when he explains to her that the police aren’t going to just take her word for it, they will want her to take them to Caylee. That is the first moment she realizes that this time she may not be able to get out of it with her words alone. I think her comment to Lee while in her room may be the most truthful she has spoken during this whole mess, when asked why she has been keeping Caylee away from the family, “maybe I’m a spiteful bitch”.

    I had hoped in the beginning that George or Lee would stand up for Caylee but doesn’t seem that is going to happen. George is just a big joke at this point. He is an ex-cop fgs. Watching him act like a clueless fool makes me ashamed for him. I can’t begin to understand the pain of having your family torn apart like this but I think Caylee would believe she deserved better from her family. So very sad that the people that claimed to love this little girl so much refuse to be honest about what
    happened.

    I’ve read through the comments here and feel like I should say that I am not an attorney (as if I had to tell you) and have no legal experience. I haven’t read through all the motions but have followed the case closely since it was first reported. Anything stated here is my own opinion.

  256. Terrytsk said, on March 9, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    Hey Sun, obviousy I’m not an attorney either! I agree with everything you’ve said except Lee did surprise me at the last hearing. His testimony was not helpful to the defendant. I’m guessing he is being really careful with what he says to prevent obstruction charges down the line. LE did make a statement that Lee knows what he has done. His attorney Luka went on several prime time shows saying he was trying to negotiate some kind of immunity deal. We never heard if that was negotiated or not. I know all witnesses are given a limited form of immunity during depos but my knowledge is limited beyond that.

    Perhaps he’s decided that he will not mess up the rest of his life for his sister. He is engaged. He’s a contributing member of society and works in a responsible job. I know a lot of posters say he parks cars for a living but it sounds like he’s involved in the logistics and planning of events. He’s not the equivelant of a roadie in a carnival for heavens sake. It’s not important what he does for a living. He supports himself and he want to marry and have a family. Going to jail and having a criminal record will have serious consequences for a young man.

    If Lee Anthony did not sneak into the defendants room during the night and lift her bra up while she slept (who sleeps with a bra on BTW?) to cop a feel and gaze at her attributes then the defendant has really betrayed her brother. I personally don’t believe her but I wasn’t there.

    I got off topic here. Sorry. I reserve the right to change my opinion if Lee Anthony changes his testimony from “There was only one side. It was Caylee’s side”. What more can he say?

  257. Sun said, on March 9, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    At this point it’s impossible to believe anything Casey says. From everything I have read on the subject Casey and Lee had a good and close relationship before all this happened. Seems even if she didn’t report it to anyone there would be some tension between the two and that is the opposite of the reports. Of course it still doesn’t mean the abuse did not occur.

    Lee may surprise us yet. He is the only one in the family that isn’t completely fake but I still think he knows more than he has said. Seems once he realized there is no way out of this, for Casey anyway, he stopped talking. If it comes down to it I don’t think he will go down for his sister and why should he?
    Would be amazing to see any one of them stand up for the real victim in this case.

  258. art tart said, on March 9, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    Evening Sun & Terrytsk, I agree with your comments!

    It’s been exhausting watching this for 2 1/2 years, sadly by the time the trial starts, this has drug on longer than Caylee was alive, still she has NO family demanding JUSTICE for her murder. I do feel LA was honest at the MOTION hearing, I do believe he wanted to believe KC, he was NOT an “agent of the STATE,” he was just looking for Caylee on his own. It seems LA has probably come to terms that KC murdered Caylee, I can’t see him screwing up his limited immunity with the STATE for KC, he wants to move on in his life & get married, sadly KC & Caylee will only be his memories once the trial is over. imo.

    The DEFENSE can continue to run in circles, UNTIL the DEFENSE can provide reasonable reasons that a reasonable juror would believe for these problems their client created due to her pathological mentality. Just think, juror’s will be parent’s, grand parent’s, how can any reasonable person believe anything KC has said & understand her appalling behavior when her child is missing/dead? CA/GA will come off as less than sympathetic, GA, imo, will be declared a “hostile witness,” I ask Hornsby that 6 or 7 months ago & that was before GA’s latest ridiculous performance in Court. That game won’t fly with Judge Perry, it won’t fly with a jury either, it is inexcusable & disrespectful. They continue to make everything worse for KC’s defense imo. GA still can’t grasp WHY Caylee didn’t qualify for an AMBER Alert! He worked in LE, what a moron! DUH! 31 days after the fact,the smell of decomp from KC’s trunk, a ton of lies from his lying daughter, DUH, GA seems to still suffer from severe problems himself! GA has had 2 1/2 years to grasp & cope with what KC has done & get professional help, the Anthony’s continue to make bad choices for themselves, KC, & especially for Caylee, imo.

    WHY she never reported Caylee missing/dead. CA reported Caylee! ZG is attached to the Defense like a barnacle on a ships a$$, KC gets on the phone & tells them she was conducting “her own investigation looking for Caylee & she briefly gets on the phone with the 911 operator & says she talked to Caylee briefly that day!” The STATE will show that they are all lies.

    There is no getting past those problems, hell will freeze over before KC would ever testify, the “compelling reason that Baez promised repeatedly on National MEDIA” was just another Baez lie. This case, imo, has been mismanaged due to the lack of experience of Baez, now ALL these ridiculous lies will be shown to the jury along with the remains site photos, Caylee’s tiny skull & the duct tape, it’s unfortunate that this wasn’t plead out but there are no deals now! The STATE, imo, knows just about everything the skank did, the STATE will connect the dots while KC continues to doodle & see her imaginary world implode.

  259. Terrytsk said, on March 10, 2011 at 12:08 am

    Quote ArtTart; “This case, imo, has been mismanaged due to the lack of experience of Baez, now ALL these ridiculous lies will be shown to the jury along with the remains site photos, Caylee’s tiny skull & the duct tape, it’s unfortunate that this wasn’t plead out but there are no deals now!”.

    You’re so right ArtTart. In a nutshell, Mason can not fix all over Baez’s early blunders. I don’t think he felt very confident at the end of the hearing on Friday. Maybe he wasn’t aware of what went down at that bond hearing that was brought up by Linda Burdick. “if anyone was acting in the capacity of agent of the state it was Mr. Baez as evidenced by….”. LOL. I also wonder if Mason was even aware of the defendant’s phone call where she says “I was arrested in on a F’in whim today”. I wonder if Mr. Mason was aware of her statement during that call. If he was aware, he sure didn’t do anything to soften the blow before Linda Burdick read it verbatim to the court. I clearly see Mr. George’s area of expertise. Still waters run deep. What a great team Caylee Marie Anthony has representing her!

    As we get closer to trial and things are heating up, I see where Mr. George’s particular talents are coming in. I think he’s the brains behind the research and motions. I also think he

  260. Autumn said, on March 10, 2011 at 9:03 am

    Terrytsk, you’ve got me sitting on the edge of my seat here. “I also think he” what?
    You’re so right on!

  261. Terrytsk said, on March 10, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Autumn I had nothing earth shattering to add. I’m not sure why the end of my post cut off like that. I meant to say I think Frank George is a strategist with superior anayltical skills. He’s an integral part of the team.

  262. Autumn said, on March 12, 2011 at 10:51 am

    Terry, thanks.

    What you all think of the latest doc dump?

  263. Linda said, on March 12, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    I do belive Lee will give it up, his statement” Maybe i did LIE” was worth everthing the look in KC’S eyes and throwing her hand behind her the look on her face! Wow!!I remember when he was asking her during his jail visit he said caylee #! you KC’S#2 mom#3 dad#4 and he ask her if she thought it should be any other way,and she says NO! Thats the way it should be.I think Lee understands what KC’S has done and what has become of his family because of her. I do not think Lee will take the fall are let another family member take the fall for her.I think he loves KC’ but he’s came 2 an understanding in his own mind, that they can not save her and the truth will come out now about what he and his family have been hiding. I do belive he spoke the truth a long time ago!With that statement there is more 2 come and casey knew it when he said, maybe i lied!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Oh boy here we go!!!! THAT LOOK WAS WORTH A THOUSAND WORD’S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  264. art tart said, on March 12, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    Linda, I agree, Tubesocks isn’t going to take the fall for KC nor let anyone else in his family be implicated by the Defense.

    It’s a sad commentary, for all the drama the Anthony’s created for profit, their Media Tour with FALSE Caylee Sightings, imo, the entire Anthony Family KNEW CAYLEE WAS DEAD, it was their agenda to spew propaganda & do the bidding for the Defense, I can’t understand WHY they didn’t beg KC to ask for plea AFTER Caylee’s remains were found. CA claimed she wasn’t “stupid in court ,” she knows damn well NO OTHER PERSON had an agenda to murder Caylee but KC. In CA’s My Space whiine, My Caylee Is Missing, CA claims Caylee was gone because of jealousy, lies, money stolen, etc.

    There was decomp smell in the trunk + Caylee Missing + deathband + NO ZANNY= KC LIED AGAIN! KC is an adult, she picked Baez, she got him, but a yr. ago Conway was sent out to find Baez’s replacement. Of course the ANT’s had NO MONEY to pay anyone, they feel the same entitlement KC feels, KC isn’t going to walk away from this murder! For all the lies they have told, for their lack of EVER DEMANDING JUSTICE for Caylee Marie, it would seem that they would at least encourage KC to save her own life!

    I wouldn’t be surprised if KC ask for a plea DURING the trial. She is going to be humilated more than her worst nightmare, the sympahy she will see on the Juror’s faces while looking at the tiny remains of Caylee, what an idiot she looked like in all those photos. I would really be surprised to see KC sit through everything that is going to be told about her & her family, that doesn’t include GA’s anticipated poor behavior, arrogance, & ignorance.

    This trial is about Caylee Marie Anthony, all of the sympathy will lie with Caylee. ALL of the attention will be on the victim that was murdered by her mother.

  265. Linda said, on March 12, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  266. Terrytsk said, on March 13, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Arttart said, “She is going to be humilated more than her worst nightmare, the sympahy she will see on the Juror’s faces while looking at the tiny remains of Caylee, what an idiot she looked like in all those photos. I would really be surprised to see KC sit through everything that is going to be told about her & her family, that doesn’t include GA’s anticipated poor behavior, arrogance, & ignorance”.

    I think you’re right ArtTart. She can barely get through the testimony of her parents and brother who have stood by her and love her. George is acting like an ass and I think the judge should put him in his place. Never mind his attitude when testifying, which was absolutely hostile, his facial expressions and shaking his head when he disagrees during others testimony should not be allowed. Too much drama. However, it’s up to the judge to say when enough is enough. I hope Judge Perry puts his foot down and starts demanding respect from all of the court spectators. PI Lyons behavior has been unacceptable as well but he did minimize his dramatic nonverbal reactions when Judge Perry made a comment on the second day of the hearings.

    I’m still trying to get through the newly released docs. Is there anything that stands out beyond the Mark Hawkins wire?

  267. art tart said, on March 13, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    Terrytsk, imo, the M Hawkins information was the most interesting & I haven’t read it all either. imo, the ruling of Judge P on the MOTIONS argued will make big news & shape the Defense’s case. The Prosecution knows what they are going to do, the Defense is constantly put in a position of trying to make excuses for all the lies KC CHOSE to tell.

    I have read on several blogs where some that attended the Court Proceedings, that the ANT’s probably have a deal in the works with TRU TV, GA was overheard saying, “as soon as possible would be best.” Then, whomever they were talking to said it would be “around March 22nd,” they would call first. The Anthony’s, imo, got an advanced payment from their deal with Jim L. or someone else, they aren’t working, they retired after KC murdered Caylee & continue to support themselves with monies they receive from interviews or whatever, who cares? They aren’t going to work, neither one acts stable enough to work but imo, this is nothing new for GA, CA seemed to have a stable work history. The monies will dry up for the ANT’s after Caylee’s trial, hopefully the Anthony’s will seek help & move on in their lives doing something positive. imo, they won’t be able to continue to bilk Caylee’s Murder for money.

  268. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2011 at 8:28 am

    The Mark Hawkins information is useless….. I did read it…… it sheds no information at all ….

  269. Lisa said, on March 14, 2011 at 8:38 am

    LB frauded the search sheet, the SAO tell her to do so. I’m thinking she is a brick behind Joy W. What ever possessed her to lie, and inject herself the way she did is brow raising. I question the defense side on that one. The truth is nearby, we will see it , and we will hear it soon.

  270. Lisa said, on March 14, 2011 at 8:54 am

    The defense does not take the victim in concern. Thats the states job. Yuri Melich is not a rookie, and Mr Baez was trying his hardest to get him to mess up. Well that’s not going to happen because the state isn’t covering for any lies. However, the defense surely is.

  271. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2011 at 9:03 am

    Lisa said, on March 14, 2011 at 8:54 am
    The defense does not take the victim in concern. Thats the states job.
    ————————-
    I disagree —- do you think the defense is made of stone?

  272. Berndatte_Stram said, on March 14, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Artart, I am interested in the idea of GA & CA “retiring” on the Caylee funds. I think they could do it, because the money they receive will be significant. If they don’t blow it, like Jose would, they can just buy a couple modest houses (one for each) and collect their “disability” funds and do very well into old-old age. I hate that they will profit…but it makes me happy to realize that KC will hate that even more.

  273. Whoops said, on March 14, 2011 at 11:49 am

    No Hazaka, I don’t believe anyone here believes that the defense is made of stone. They are people just like you and we who are fathers, mothers, have children and grandchildren. However, they have a job to do and that is defending a very unpopular defendant who killed her child. Now you can come in here with your simple minded one liners to disrupt the conversation which as you know is pro prosecution. Your defense of Casey at the JB Mission is well noted and looking for any reason to defend Casey and try to prove her innocent. That is ok since there are two sides to every argument. Since the popular opinion is that Casey is guilty, you and your friends are welcome to your defense of her. Personally, I would just as soon you keep it at the Mission for Casey than here. Not that I have any say about it.

    On another note Hazaka, you have been around these blogs for a couple years feigning ignorance of the details of this case asking questions that you have seen the answers to posted hundreds of times. Have you actually read anything but the blogs concerning this case or do you just like picking fly shit out of the pepper on certain blogs to aggravate us? Oh, and btw, if you think that NTS is actually smart, then that says a lot about you. Birds of a feather I guess huh folks!!!!!

  274. Whoops said, on March 14, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Ah, and while I am picking on you this morning Hazaka, everytime I see your name it reminds me of that little bug that crawls around Kleat’s avatar on The Hinky Meter. I just want to flick it off my screen. :smile:

  275. Whoops said, on March 14, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    BTW, no offense to Kleat, he’s :cool: .

  276. Terrytsk said, on March 14, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    I’m very curious about how Judge Perry will rule on the “Agents of the State” and Miranda motions. I’ve read the opinions of some knowledgeable posters. By knowledgeable, I’m referring to those with a formal education and experience working in the field of law. It sounds like most think the agent of the state motion is out. There are disagreeing thoughts on the Miranda issues.

    I guess Judge Perry will be looking at every individual interaction the defendant had with Law Enforcement during that time period. Cindy Anthony did accuse the defendant of theft, produced evidence to prove theft and demanded this “suspect” be arrested. The young deputy complied and within 5 minutes was told to remove the handcuffs because a missing child trumped a mere theft/fraud charge. I still think Baez and Mason thought it was their ace in the hole. They probably were lied to by the defendant and her family members about the sequence of events.

    I have a feeling the Universal interview might be tossed. She was caught lying and could have been arrested and charged with lying to LE at the time. It’s like a game of chess. The States Attorneys are well equipped and so is Mason, even if he does mumble and ramble on about nothing and then throw in inaccurate statements as he jokes with the judge. His repetetive comments like, I’m old and can’t hear or see nonsense is really getting old. He’s a sly one.

  277. Whoops said, on March 14, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    “Cindy Anthony did accuse the defendant of theft, produced evidence to prove theft and demanded this “suspect” be arrested. The young deputy complied”

    Terry, this may be the fly in the ointment. At the point when she was hooked up, I would have had to Mirandize her for at least the larceny of the money and the car. If it were me and a senior officer told me to unhook her and escort her into the house to find out the bigger picture, that would be on him. At least, I would have been covered. I am afraid that JP won’t have a choice but to throw that out. That being said, it won’t be a major defeat for the prosecution. BTW, where I am from, we were taught that the moment you detain someone they are technically under arrest. Once you put on the cuffs, we were required to Mirandize and transport. Florida may be different, I don’t know.

  278. Hazaka said, on March 14, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Whoops said, on March 14, 2011 at 11:57 am
    Ah, and while I am picking on you this morning Hazaka, everytime I see your name it reminds me of that little bug that crawls around Kleat’s avatar on The Hinky Meter. I just want to flick it off my screen.

    —————–
    You are more nasty than I thought …never been on the Hinky meter …and my name means something special…………….

  279. Berndatte_Stram said, on March 14, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    Terrytsk, I agree totally…I don’t think that interview at Universal will come in. It’s unfortunate, but it is clear that they thought she was a suspect then. I listened to it again the other day, and I was surprised they never said to her, you don’t have to talk to us. They pretty much implied that she did have to. The whole thing is very dicey. I think the Judge will toss it out.

  280. art tart said, on March 14, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Hazaka, re-read Whoops comment. SHE NEVER SAID YOU HAD BEEN TO THE HINKY METER! She stated you reminded her of the tiny bug that crawled around Kleat’s avatar, it’s an annoying little bug running around & is distracting. We have all had a big laugh at how Kleat is so creative.

    You have been on the Hinky Meter & you complained that you didn’t see Valhall’s Cur. Vitae. Valhall came to this BLOG to confront you, telling you exactly where to go to read it & ask if you were going to reciprocate in kind! You responded again that you were impressed as you should be! Keep it honest, keep it real.

  281. Whoops said, on March 15, 2011 at 10:21 am

    I don’t care what anyone says, I think that J.P. Chatt is the father of Caylee. I don’t know if he has been tested and some say that he wasn’t with Casey before Caylee was conceived but that doesn’t mean that Casey didn’t creep into his tee pee one night after they weren’t together. The similarities are just to close in the side by side picture of the two. Certainly I wouldn’t blame Chatt to distance himself from this mess. Especially the dysfunctional duo of Cindy and George Anthony.

  282. Yellowstone said, on May 21, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Prehaps this is not the forum to discuss suppositions, but . . .

    I have wondered from the beginning why the 31 day delay in reporting this missing child?

    Suppose this young lady was involved in some ‘illegal’ transaction in which she was unable to immediately pay. The child may have been held as collateral – then dispatched.

    An illegal behavior that often results in dire circumstances.

    If the parents had witness to her behaviors in the past – this, too, may explain their awkward performances.

    What do you think?

  283. JBMission SUCKS said, on May 22, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Yellowstone,
    Interesting, albeit bizzare thought. You may want to engage the four “out-of-the-box” thinkers at jbmission dot wordpress about your theory. They will probably love you.

  284. JBMission Rocks said, on May 22, 2011 at 11:23 am

    For those of you that had any doubt that crazy shut-in Snoopy has posted here with a dozen different names to stir up shit, she is so delusional she made a post at her blog with pictures of all dirty sock puppets.

    mainstreamfair.wordpress.com/

  285. Jessica K said, on June 6, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    A question for you, Mr. Schaeffer:

    I recall you mentioning a few times on WFTV that the defense seemed schizophrenic.

    You noted that Baez initially stated that George put Caylee’s body in the car, then attempted to disprove that there ever was a body in the car.

    At what point did Baez actually claim that George put the body in the car? If I recall the opening statement correctly, I believe he said that George tried to “cover it up,” but I don’t remember Baez saying that George put the body in the car at all.

    Did I miss it?

  286. Cary Ruland said, on June 17, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    I think its time for Casey Anthony’s “Spanking”. Look, first someone needs to impress upon her father that Casey doesn’t give a damn about him or his demetor, all that is on her mind is not the poor loss of little Caylee, but how much she is going to “Party” when this is over! When she said in prison that her father was the best “Dad” the best “grandfather” yada, yada, that was a give away. Secondly I think all the wrong people are put on the stand as far as establishing a decomposed body..all you need is George Anthony up there, he’s a retired cop, he know all about decompose bodies all officers have been trainned for this!
    Makes sense to me that he along with Casey knew exactly what happen, my opion…. I think lil Caylee was drugged on Zantax, and put to sleep with chloro..while Casey couldn’t find a sitter for Caylee..Casey party so much that she did overkill on the meds,after discovering Caylee was dead Casey turned to her Father for help, I beleive it was her Father that knew enough to keep the body for a duration of time so no evidence would be found, with regards to muder, child neglect, ect. only Casey Father would know about decomposition of bodies. Casey and her Father would know what happen to lil Caylee, this is what I beleive happen…….

  287. me4sure said, on June 17, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    Thank You Mr Bill.. I enjoy reading your knowledge and experience on this case.. I would like to know with this newest tactic involving Mr. Vasco Thompson, if he can bring a case against Baez trying to involve him in this case? I find it despicable that an attorney can go after people that he knows can not be tied to this case. In fact, He should be held responsible for all the maligning in the media before the case is tried..He gives defense attorneys a bad name in my opinion.

  288. Brenda said, on June 27, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Thank you Mr. Sheaffer for your analysis. It is very much appreciated and helps clarify testimony as well as defense and prosecution questions. Tee defense seems to be all over the place and does not seem to have an organized defense. I wonder what they have been doing in preparation for this case over the lase 3 years. I am waiting to see who the defense tries to blame it on next. On the otherhand, the state is organized and very prepared.


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