March Madness
We have come to the conclusion of another preliminary round, to the now rapidly approaching main event in the case against Casey Anthony. The recently completed evidentiary motion hearings, together with next week’s commencement of the Frye hearings (the battle over the admissibility of forensic evidence) will arguably be the most critical of the pre-trial skirmishes. Having attended the motion hearings and the arguments of counsel, I have a few observations and a prediction or two.
First the observations: Let’s start with the differences in the approach taken by the Defense and the Prosecution, which could not have been greater. The State obviously wants all of the statements made by Casey Anthony to be presented to the jury at trial. Her statements, which, as we all now know, are replete with lies. Further, Ms. Anthony’s statements and conduct presented a pattern of behavior, together with a state of mind, totally inconsistent with an anxious mother, distressed that her little girl has gone missing for thirty plus days. The State, however, is mindful that Ms. Anthony had provided a written statement to law enforcement which contained a majority, if not all of the lies she later verbalized to the police investigators. Lacking a legal basis to attack her written statement, the Defense has not moved to exclude it. Therefore, the State will move it into evidence during trial for the jury’s consideration. And, remember, the State knows with certainty that any statements by Ms. Anthony admitted into evidence over defense objection will become an issue on appeal. Therefore neither the State nor the judge would run the risk of knowingly creating an appellate issue that might result in a conviction reversal and a complete re-do of the trial
The Prosecution then, attacked the defense motion to suppress with surgical skill, methodically addressing the issues raised by the Defense, painstakingly setting forth all of the facts surrounding each of Ms. Anthony’s statements, and finally, arguing the State’s position with relatively little emotion and no histrionics. The Prosecution cited cases whose facts were as close as possible to the facts surrounding Ms. Anthony at the time she made the various statements at issue. In addressing the judge in final remarks, the Prosecution included a solid factual recitation, resisting the temptation to “cherry pick” only the facts favorable to the State’s position. That approach was dictated by both the State’s ethical responsibility to do justice, rather than just gain a conviction, and perhaps from a more pragmatic view, to steer away from leading the judge into committing reversible error by playing fast and loose with the facts, or the case law.
The Defense lawyers’ objectives, based upon their motion to suppress, are quite different and basically twofold. In the first instance, the Defense wants as much evidence excluded from jury consideration as possible. This will increase the likelihood of a successful argument to the jury for an acquittal based upon reasonable doubt. Remember, just prior to its deliberation, the jury will be instructed by the judge, among other things, that a reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the defendant may arise from the evidence, conflict in the evidence, or the lack of evidence. Failing in the first instance, the Defense, as any seasoned trial lawyer, would want to preserve the record on appeal so that an argument can later be made to the appellate court that the trial judge erred in letting the evidence go before the jury, and thus a new trial ought be ordered.
The Defense took more of a scatter-shot approach in its motion to suppress, and, cherry picked the facts most favorable to its position. Case law cited was generic, standing for general rather than specific principles of law, and argument employed emotion, some theatrics, with a dash of hyperbole for good measure. The Defense has the luxury to do this however. Their ethical responsibility is to their client, the Defendant. They are charged with representing Ms. Anthony to the fullest extent of their abilities, employing any legitimate tools at their disposal in the process, just as long as they do not intentionally mislead the Court. In these hearings, the Defense did what they needed to do and they did it in an ethical way. And, from my viewpoint, they did a good job, considering the facts they had to work with.
One final observation: over the months many have asked why Casey Anthony has not dismissed Jose Baez, citing his lack of experience, frequent gaffs both in and out of court and other criticisms which I won’t detail. Having observed Mr. Baez over the course of this case, and having heard witness testimony during the recent hearing, questioning his earlier decisions at the beginning of his representation of Ms. Anthony, it is now clear to me. One may question or criticize Mr. Baez’ experience and his handling of his client’s defense. However, clearly, one cannot find fault with, nor speak poorly of, his loyalty, commitment, and determination to his client and her defense. In fact, Mr. Baez’ resolve at times clearly appears to work to his own detriment. And, upon reflection, do not these characteristics go toward forming the basis for what one would absolutely want for his or her criminal defense lawyer? These attributes could not be any more important than to one charged with possibly the most monstrous of acts: the cold-blooded murder of one’s own little daughter.
As to the predictions: Judge Perry will not admit any statement into evidence that he believes could serve as a basis for an appeal, and a possible reversal of any conviction. This judge has handled numerous first degree murder cases of varying difficulty, none that I am aware of have been reversed on appeal because of one of his rulings. Additionally, he is well read, clever, and surpassed by none in his legal research abilities. So, as to statements made to law enforcement: motion denied. Ms. Anthony was not in custody or the functional equivalent of same, at the time she made her verbal statements. Possible exception: the statements made by her at the end of the “Universal Studios tour” at which time a reasonable person might not feel free to leave.
Statements made by George, Cindy and Lee Anthony: motion denied. None was acting as agents for the police when Casey Anthony made statements to any of them.
Statements made to Robyn Adams in the form of written correspondence: motion denied. Police involvement did not deny Ms. Anthony either her fifth or sixth amendment rights.
Disclaimer: for the legal purist, I admit that there is a lot more law involved in reaching these decisions. My terse explanations of my predictions is to spare the reader from the tedious task of learning how sausage is made, which, isn’t after all the point of this blog.
However, God forbid, should I be wrong, and Judge Perry does suppress any and all of Ms. Anthony’s statements, will that damage the State’s case? The answer is no. Refer to our second paragraph addressing Ms. Anthony’s written statement, replete with falsehoods, and, all of the evidence of her guilty knowledge.
WJS
Thank you Mr. Sheaffer! You have taken a lot of clutter and hearing mumbo jumbo and given us a simple clarified explanation of what did occur and will probably occur. While I hope HHHP grants all of the motions, at least we know the what may have be gained at Universal can be introduced without that testimony.
Hope we see your blog more often as we approach the trial – and thank you for your media clips – love them!
Kudos to you, Mr. Schaeffer, for taking the time to bring this process into a lay perspective. I don’t imagine you have much time to spare in your day-to-day, so I for one am extremely grateful for your assistance.
Mr. Sheaffer,
Thank you so much for your article! As a layperson it was easy to understand. I agree that Mrs. Burdick was great, she certainly knows what she is doing!
I don’t think JB is a good lawyer, sorry! He reminds me of a weasel! CM has not impressed me so far. IMO.
Mr. Sheaffer, BRAVO! A most interesting opinion, informative as always. You were most kind to Baez imo. You stated that “his loyalty, commitment, and determination to his client and her defense are admirable.” But Mr. Sheaffer, imo, that’s NOT ENOUGH! The mis-steps Baez made at the beginning of her case, ignorance, self promoting, selling Caylee’s memories, experienced DP Qualified Criminal Defense Attortney T Lenamon leaving the case have left KC looking at the Death Penalty! Would a more experienced, professional, DP Qualified Attorney have done a better job than Baez has delivered to KC even though his is loyal, committed, & compassionate, it is KC that will suffer from his lack of experience?
imo, THe APPEAL Attorney will take Baez apart, starting with an explanation of exactly how the money in KC’s trust account was spent. That will only be the beginning of Baez’s headaches once this trial is over. OH YEAH! It’s that testy matter of that Bar Complaint too!
I, like those who posted before me, want to thank you for giving us a glimpse into the decisions that will go on in Judge’s chambers while he reads any case law that he feels is necessary to make an educated judgment. I always look forward to your video interviews with Kathi and your blog posts knowing that I will come away much more informed and understanding the process better after hearing/reading your thoughts on the matters at hand.
Like art Tart (love that username) posted above, while I can appreciate your kudos on Jose Baez’s loyalty, I question so much more that he has done which seems to be in direct conflict with actions of a fair and equitable advocate. Like the rumblings we hear every day concerning any legal actions filed against the Anthonys when this trial is finished, I wonder about those which might be filed against Jose as Judge Perry tried in vain to warn him about with a head’s up. His “mis-handling” of hundreds of thousands of dollars ending with his client being termed indigent for one. His unethical questioning of local residents by his “investigators”, his questionable “backing” by unsavory persons in the local area just to name a very few. I don’t agree that his loyalty wipes his little slate clean. But time will tell. First we must turn to the matters at hand and find some sort of justice for little Caylee. She needs her day in court. Again, thank you so much for your input, it’s invaluable to us who need to understand the workings of the system and the steps those who are involved are taking.
You speak quite well for your fellow attorney’s network…
I remember quite well my dealings with lawyers….they’ve got it wired and just plain winging it with the system…. hence nice paychecks!….even taxpayered handouted, right-behind-the ambulancer or any other civic minded law-driven poet-of bendedness of justice…Back-rooms are where the action is…it’s driven with one all agreeness of justice… greedity’$ seem to cloud that tip-toed vision of the scales tip …it’s just hard to get past how inate the truth is so cleverly postured into a honest persons jury-decision.
Simple and straight to the point….Caylee Marie Anthony deserves her justice for her life being taken away from her at 2 yrs. old!….the circus-tented-evidence churned out since day 31…maybe-I-think-possibly-mis-truth-sureness…would setup a dream of warmth to an attorney’s $heart$….divine legend of one’s own mind…speeding…ticketedly straight to the bank…even not paying when he lands on B&O Railroad!…picking up a back-up jar-lid to top it off with a southern twist…
Justice for Caylee!
Thank you Mr. Sheaffer … I agree that the information that Casey provided at her home will not be thrown out as she was not in custody (other than the 4-5 minutes when she was handcuffed but for the alledged offence of theft of credit card monies). She did not give any statements during that 4-5 minutes that I understood so it would be ok with me if the HHJP would disclude any of those made during that time.
As for her time at Universal Studios…I can understand why the detectives picked her up from home instead of asking to meet them there. Generally, parents of missing children are very emotional and often struggle to maintain their composure for obvious reasons. If Casey had become over emotional, it would not be good for her to drive or be alone without support. Cindy and George were not asked to drive her probably because of Casey’s statements to Hosey impressing that she was having a conflict with her mom over Caylee. Why add fuel to the fire and possible arguements between the two at a place of business? The statements made by Casey there at Universal Studio’s were given freely… The detectives still had Zanny on priority as a suspect…why else show Casey pictures of Zanny’s in the parking lot? Not to say that they didn’t wonder if Casey was involved in one way or the other… Who wouldn’t “wonder” what would possibly make a mother not report a child missing for 31 days? I would imagine that many thoughts passed through their minds but they were reacting on Casey’s statement that Zanny had Caylee and trying to understand the information that Casey was providing them.
Thanks for your commentary and clarification, Mr Shaeffer !
I always look forward to your voice of experience and knowledge … but … I, also, am not in agreement with your views on Baez … yes, Jose is probably doing everything he can to defend his client, but he’s supposed to work within the law !! And, the fact that Judge Perry even had to hear and rule on the State’s motion in limine to stop him from slandering and pointing fingers says a lot to most of us … Also, I don’t think his motives are pure … Jose is in it for Jose and making a name for himself … I think he’s accomplished the latter but it’s hardly a GOOD name … IMO
Thanks again for all you do!
MrShaeffer–Thank you again for yor wonderful explanation of the legal process. I cannot wonder of the possibility of the hostage that casey abd jose have over each other-someone holds the goods or the lies
Thanks for the insight into the bigger picture of what was going on with the defense and the prosecution.
One of the details that stood out in Mr. Mason’s summation (and that seemed scant compared to Ms. Burdick’s beautifully played double-whammy closing) was a hit at police officer Acevedo’s testimony about the custody issue on the night of July 15th.
Mr. Mason boasted that she doesn’t know the harm she’s done to her side and proceeded to tell the court how not once, not twice, but five times, this officer responded to his questioning using the term for Casey’s situation as ‘in custody’, and claimed that not once in these five questions, did the witness correct this. In other words, Mr. Mason claims that Officer Acevedo agreed that Casey was ‘in custody’.
What harm will this do to ‘her side’? Judge Perry will be able to decide this for himself and how it might affect the motion to supress, if at all. But what will this 5 question blow to the state, actually allow the defense to do to this witness on the stand to discredit her testimony by suggesting she was somehow not truthful in her answers in this hearing?
A police officer might be thought of as a ‘professional witness’ who should have the preparation to catch this sort of, tricky questioning by a seasoned defense trial lawyer, but how many high profile murder cases has she been called to testify to, and two and a half years after the occurance?
How can Mr. Mason make use of this ‘slip-up’ to discredit this witness in the eyes of the jury (or the court) at trial? Can he ask that she be declared a liar, or can he use this to make her look unreliable or one-sided? Is she that important anyway, to the state’s case at trial, or can the defense revisit this ‘custody’ issue and attack her character for changing her testimony from ‘in custody’ to ‘not in custody, just riding around in the cage in the back of the car where there is no escape’.
Would it help if Casey’s statements surrounding this ride are excluded because of Officer Acevedo’s failing to correct Mr. Mason’s terminology?
Thanks!
Interesting take on Acevedios testimony Kleat. You made the comment, “Would it help if Casey’s statements surrounding this ride are excluded because of Officer Acevedo’s failing to correct Mr. Mason’s terminology?”.
I’ve always heard LE officers are instructed to specifically answer to the questions asked. If it’s a closed ended question, you answer yes or no. If it’s an open ended question, you respond only to the detail that was asked. You don’t add any details unless specifically asked for that detail.
It’s up to the prosecutor to cover it on redirect if it’s important enough to make a point. That’s my rudimentary understanding and I admit most of what I know comes from TV.
Kathie44 your comment:
“while I can appreciate your kudos on Jose Baez’s loyalty, I question so much more that he has done which seems to be in direct conflict with actions of a fair and equitable advocate. Like the rumblings we hear every day concerning any legal actions filed against the Anthonys when this trial is finished, I wonder about those which might be filed against Jose as Judge Perry tried in vain to warn him about with a head’s up. His “mis-handling” of hundreds of thousands of dollars ending with his client being termed indigent for one. His unethical questioning of local residents by his “investigators”, his questionable “backing” by unsavory persons in the local area just to name a very few. I don’t agree that his loyalty wipes his little slate clean. But time will tell. First we must turn to the matters at hand and find some sort of justice for little Caylee. She needs her day in court. Again, thank you so much for your input, it’s invaluable to us who need to understand the workings of the system and the steps those who are involved are taking”.
That’s it in a nutshell. Kudos to you.
I am not in USA but I have been watching this case from day one.
There has never been a second since hearing most of the basic facts in this case that felt, “well maybe she didn’t do it”. I am not one to judge people, always look for more angles and benifit of boubt, but there are far too many factures in this case.
Has anyone seem Casey cry for her daughter? (Not Tony while she was at the club with him, sleeping with him. Not even a show (lying cries, act) for the camera at the beginning. Wonder if George or Cindy saw her break down once it was out in the open? I don’t think so, she didn’t look as if she had been crying for a full night, hrs or at all during anything on camera.
I have so much built up to spew out but just came up with a thought and couldn’t resist posting and since I respect/admire the way Mr. Sheaffer lays out his views of what was, is and will be’s, I wanted to post here.
I wish I was there when the case was on trial, more then anything.
I am so happy when I hear voices for Caylee.
My wish is………..once Casey is convicted, once we hear the words GUILTY, I would love for someone/or many, to walk into the court room with a lrg cake, with colorful balloons and as many pictures of Caylee there are available for all to hold up and celebrate “Caylee’s new B’day”.
The day it stops being about Casey, Biez, George and Cindy’s and is finally Caylee’s day!
I am sur this day will come, but the celebration, once those words are spoken (GUILTY) and seeing the looks on Casey and Cindy’s face and feeling finally the focus being where it needs to be and finally having a real celebration for Caylee, would be priceless.
That’s my wish in all this.
A day of the true celebration by all that feel as strong or stronger then I, for little precious Caylee and for the two evils to witness the love shared for her.
Very informative article Mr. Sheaffer. It’s always nice to read a viewpoint from an attorney’s perspective.
I think Dorothy Sims is an incredibly skilled attorney who will certainly bring good logic and credibility to the defense team. Her argument involving human decompositional odors in need of a Frye hearing was the best I’ve seen in Judge Perry’s court room so far from both sides, the SAO’s and the DT. Although I like Cheney Mason’s all around characteristics of a well-seasoned, well-groomed, well-respected, southern gentleman. He probably could have done a better job of charming a snake into admitting Casey Anthony’s story on the evening of July 15, 2008 was “suspicious”.
Perhaps if Jose Baez would have drove down the path to the rancid trunk odor he may have gotten that dang snake to bite. It was a painstaking effort but he was persistant. Persistance and Baez go hand in hand which is why I like him so much. Who knew Mark Hawkins was wearing a wire? NCIS got involved to help the Keystone Kops who forgot the Mirandize Anthony. Who knows what other truths will be revealed once the trial goes into high gear??
Hey Terry Tsk!! Minnie Fragg here!! ::waving::
Terry Tsk,
While we’re giving out Kudos why don’t we give one to the prosecution for holding on to discovery documents for 6 months and making the Defense file a motion to compel evidence. They deserve a Kudo too. WTH, give everybody a Kudo. What about Richard Cain for not doing his job? Or was he wrongly fired because actually RK was mistaken? I really don’t see why so many are being so critical of the DT when there’s been numerous numbskull moments on LE and the SAO’s. The SAO’s still have come up with a probable motive or a shred of physical evidence. So yup there’s enough Kudos to go around. And YES I know Kudos are favorable…You do know I’m just kidding right?
Very informative article and glad you weighed in with your predictions.
“Her statements, which, as we all now know, are replete with lies. Further, Ms. Anthony’s statements and conduct presented a pattern of behavior, together with a state of mind, totally inconsistent with an anxious mother, distressed that her little girl has gone missing for thirty plus days.”
Casey’s own words will convict her. Just her written statment alone There was no Nanny/Babysitter, no apartment that Caylee was dropped off at, etc. etc.
Thank you Mr. Schaeffer for yet another most informative article. The only complaint I have is that there aren’t more of them!
Not to worry. We will content ourselves with all that you do to help us to better understand not only the law as it applies to Casey Anthony and her defense team, but court procedure as well. I won’t trouble myself too much with how overly kind I also believe you were to Jose Baez other than to say that I don’t believe he’s providing her with the best defense possible. He’s bumbled this from the beginning, as is evidenced in previous comments, and I can only hope that when all of this is over he’ll be called to task for it, while Casey serves no less than a life sentence with no possibility of parole, for the murder of her daughter.
Kleat, I don’t know how any of this “in custody” “not in custody” can be decided without hearing from Casey herself, be it on the witness stand or in an written statement provided to the court by her defense. But of course, if one were to question her she would say that as far as she was concerned she was “in custody” from that moment on, and not free to come and go as she pleased, without the privilege of having been Mirandized.
JB, Florida law says that the state doesn’t have to prove motive. And IMO, there is plenty of physical evidence. That evidence, plus the circumstantial evidence, leaves me with no doubt that Casey Anthony murdered her child. I don’t need DNA evidence to prove it to me.
Mr. Scheaffer,
Great analysis of the case and spot on with what i think Judge Perry will decide…
I think that Mason’s arguments came across as just put your head in the sand and blame LE for Casey’s lies….weak and ineffective… desperate.
Nothing brilliant or unexpected as the duhfense has nothing to refute Casey’s lies or mitigate them… “Compelling Reasons” as Baez has repeatedly spouted to any reporter desperate enough to lob softball questions and accept his stalling excuse of promised “‘Compelling Reasons’ that will come out at trial that Everyone and he reiterated EVERYONE will understand”..for a mother not reporting her daughter missing for 31 days, lying to friends who inquired about Caylee’s whereabouts, dumping the car that “smells like there was dead body in the damn car”, doing everything to avoid the family who was repeated inquiring as to Caylee’s whereabouts and well-being and eventually making up a fictitious person to blame for Caylee’s “disappearance”….
The lame arguments to toss out Casey’s statements is more proof to me that the State has a solid DP case in chief and the duhfense is still stuck in the middle of the hallway…
JBMission….. tried to post at your site as this case is gearing up to the finale for Casey and you are still cheerleading Baez’s lameness…LOL
Common-sense and your site are strangers, as evidenced by you and your posters “almost finding” Zanny the Imagi-Nanny…..lmao.
Keep serving up the Casey kool-aide as you will definitely need to improve the potency, as the truth crumbles the facade that you have built and carefully cultivated for your 3 posters…… and i will watch as you continue to spin Casey’s ‘innocence’… right up ’til the guilty verdict… and you and your troll friends simply disappear.
Why is Judge Perry allowing Casey Anthony to make faces and hand gestures when her family and others testify? Shouldn’t this be stopped? Could it be construed as an attempt to “witness tamper”?
Thanks Mix for responding,
Yes, I know “Motive” isn’t required but it sure helps the State when as of this day with the release of Dr. Spitz’s report, the charge of murder is in question. Did a murder even occur?
NO TRIAL 4 Casey? Is that your screen name?
LOL
JBMission….. tried to post at your site as this case is gearing up to the finale for Casey and you are still cheerleading Baez’s lameness…LOL
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Now what would a person like you KNOW about attorneys or the American justice system? What experiences do you have for comparision to make that statement? No I’m not a Baez cheerleader, just not a follower like you. I have character and I’m my own person. Unlike you, a person who doesn’t believe in the justice system at ALL. “No Trial 4 Casey” Really. psst..
There ya go,
I’ll leave now.. I think I boosted up the stats. I hear the chickens clucking.
When listening to the long legal wrangling n twisting rationale of Casey’s defense to exclude facts that actually happened, the reminders of dozens and dozens of lies AND how much George n Cindy fight the prosecutors at every turn, we are still reminded that how remarkable it is that the ONLY people who actually represent justice for little Caylee in that courtroom were the Sate Prosecutors – THEY are Caylee’s Lawyers lest we forget – backed by Caylee’s Investigators, experts and more….I for one was very proud of Team Caylee and their surgical precision and professionalism in argument – that they will be there again for Caylee at Trial…each and every hour of justice to come…then again, Team Casey and her parent’s petulance are simply no match for the FACTS and never will be….Given the exact same set of facts and if it were not Casey on trial, I wonder if the Grandparents would be cheering the State today….or not?
themission loves to fight, doesn’t she???
Thank you Mr. Sheaffer for such an awesome post! I really appreciate you sharing your expertise for us on this case. The analysis you give helps a lot in understanding different aspects of this case. I cannot thank you enough.
Again, Mr. Sheaffer – Thanks so for your wonderfully clear and logical explanation of the legal issues here! THey are so much appreciated. Especially the first interveiw with Melich – there should be no doubt should come in. Most of the questions are about Zany and all the non-existent people she allegedly told of the “kidnap.’ Plus the bit about her phones (the mind-numbing sim card explanation). SO GLAD that that will come in. How could she possibly be in custody if Melish left and returned several hours later. SHe aw alone at home wtih George and CIndy ….and quite frankly could have sneaked out if she wanted to. One question though: If Casey doesn’t testify during the trial, can she take the stand during the penalty phase??? Didn’t know if there was any law about that particular issue. I stil don’t think that she will take the stand.
thanks – and do so hope that you and Kathi Belich will write a book on this case after it is concluded!! That would be SO AWESOME!!
thejbmission said, on March 15, 2011 at 1:30 pm
“Did a murder even occur?”
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Don’t be so glib.
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thejbmission said, on March 15, 2011 at 1:39 pm There ya go,
I’ll leave now.. I think I boosted up the stats. I hear the chickens clucking.
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You should really try keeping your ego in check. pfft…
Go to your blog and write about how you and yours “are among the most intelligent, clever, free thinkers in all of Blogdom.” LMAO
http://thejbmission.wordpress.com/
Hey Linda,
Huge ego, or what?? Man….what’s her deal??
Thank you Mr. Shaeffer for the logical and well written piece to help us understand what is happening.. I am not so in agreement with your explanation Of Jose Baez.. He has not impressed me with his lack of ethics, morality, or knowledge for that matter. As for Cheney Mason, I didn’t buy any of his argument either. Surely he has more knowledge of the law than what he was spouting. And I think it shows that he doesn’t expect much. I personally would prefer an attorney use ethical defense for me if I every should need one..
mixologist74 is exactly correct, while the STATE doesn’t have to prove motive, many legal analyst think KC’s life was complicated by the little “snot head.” With Caylee in tow, KC couldn’t go on vacation with her friends, Cindy’s constant threat of taking custody of Caylee, Cindy’s threat of going to the police over KC stealing her blind, KC couldn’t lay up in Tony’s bed for 31 days had she had Caylee, Caylee wasn’t welcome. Caylee complicated KC’s bella vita & took her life imo, now 12 juror’s, imo, will take KC’s, or any livliihood she had ever envisioned.
It doesn’t matter if anyone understands motive, the decision will be made by 12 juror’s, imo, 12 parent’s or grand parent’s probably, reasonable people just like the people on this blog, NO ONE will understand the 31 days missing/dead or the photos of KC’s adventures & self absorption. The decision is their’s alone, 99% of the people following the case understand the evidence & what the verdict will be, the other 1% never would understand.
Yep, JBMission…. been hoping to run into you in the free blog world as you keep the doors locked up tightly at your “Mission” site….
I picked this monicker after witnessing the countless excuses and lies that GA, CA, LA, Linda Baden, Baez and CASEY made up while Caylee was “missing” culminating with Caylee’s fully decomposed body being found just down the street and Casey freaking out when nobody had even id’d the remains as Caylee yet….
I thought there was no way that ANY lawyer would take this to trial……and still do.
I think that your monicker is very appropriate, too…. as it must be a “mission”… like an assigment?
But as Mr. Sceaffer has pointed out, the State is sitting on Casey’s sworn statements that were not challenged by the duhfense and there ain’t a rabbit hole [reference:Alice in Wonderland] that even your site can conjure up that would seem plausible much less “compelling” enough to drag the jury away from Casey’s own words to LE in her “efforts” to assist them in finding Caylee…
And yes there was indeed a murder, as i have never seen an accident staged as a homicide…. but i have seen it staged the other way around many times…
…rabbit hole…
Kronk, Cane and whoever else that you bring up to add a little distraction to the truth are side issues that are easily dismissed by the simple argument that all of these events occurred after Casey’s rabbit holes about when she last saw Caylee or where she ‘dropped her off’ or how to contact this long time Nanny……
For almost 3 years now, i have witnessed the truth emerging…. indisputable, words of the defendant… as the State has excellent attorneys , who have been diligent in tracking down every lead that the duhfense offers up and preparing and presenting an excellent case so far….
Linda Drane Burdick is a search engine when it comes to this case.
Thank you so much Atty. Shaeffer for giving us your time and expertise on this case. We as lay people try to second guess what the Judge will rule never knowing if we are going to be remotely correct or not and you always lead us in the right direction and put our minds at ease. I do hope you will continue to give us your valuable opinions as this case grows closer to trial and during trial. We are passionate about justice for little Caylee as we feel none of her family seems to really care now about seeing any justice. Do you think that if Baez had been a really good concerned Attorney to Casey he would have advised her to try to coffer a plea deal before things went this far? Some of us feel he has done his client and injustice just to try to make a name for himself and become death penalty qualified.
“Hazaka
March 15, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Wow —once again ….. we have the pleasure of someone here who knows everything…… really — the state of Florida could save a boat load of money by just listening to bloggers.”
“Hazaka
March 15, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Just a quick reply ——– yes, I am a blogger ….but I have never said I KNOW ANYTHING about anyone’s behaviour, thoughts, actions or results……………… here, we just exchange THOUGHTS!”
“Hazaka
March 15, 2011 at 4:41 pm
and didn’t Jesus say — “turn the other cheek?” — as a rabbi, he was kind and forgiving …………….”
http://thejbmission.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/the-blog-phenomenon/#comment-7716
Hazaka, I have never in my life heard anything as ludicrous as to say that Jesus was a Rabbi. Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Galilee, Israel as a Jew but he did not teach the Torah. Jesus was a Jew who was regarded as a teacher and healer. He was baptized Christian by John the Baptist, Jesus was a Christian and preached Christianity which as you say, he said “turn the other cheek” however, the biblical quote is “But I say to you, that you resist not evil: but whoever shall smite you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also.” Matthew 5:39
Hazaka, the term Rabbi in the time of Jesus did not necessarily refer to a specific office or occupation. That would be true only after the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in (70 AD). Rather, it was a word meaning, great one, or my master, which was applied to many kinds of people in everyday speech. It clearly was used as a term of respect for one’s teacher as well, even though the formal position of Rabbi would come later. In one sense then, calling Jesus, Rabbi, is an anachronism.
“….but I have never said I KNOW ANYTHING about anyone’s behaviour, thoughts, actions or results…….”
Exactly Hazaka, it would seem that your sole purpose here and where ever you comment is to stir up controversy. It is quite apparent that no one here and at JB’s hardly ever respond to you. Do you ever wonder why, or do you even give a damn?
Whoops,
Don’t put words in my mouth. WE ALL RESPOND TO HAZAKA! Speak for yourself or speak for Bill Sheaffer’s blog but do not speak for me. You are delusional.
BTW Whoops,
These are your words.
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Hazaka, the term Rabbi in the time of Jesus did not necessarily refer to a specific office or occupation. That would be true only after the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in (70 AD).
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I will not even attempt to explain for Hazaka because I know she’s much more knowledgeable than I am but I think this is what she was referring to. At the time Jesus walked the Earth, he could be considered a teacher. A teacher of the Jewish people could be referred to a rabbi. This is just my opinion and this is how I understood her comment.
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Hazaka, Please correct me if I misunderstood IF you care to because you know, at my site we don't micro-manage and dissect everyone's thoughts. In any case, I get it and so does Zuben. I apologize for interfering here Hazaka. I know you are more than capable of handling rude people.
“no-trial-4-Casey”
I have just one question for you. What are you so afraid of? The Truth?
Wow, I’m flattered. Perhaps you should try not using your D-Egos and be yourselves. I know most of the people blogging about this case aren’t ignorant but they sure do sound that way when all they can do is use words like “duhfence” “Bozo” “Lying Lyons”, etc, etc.
It sounds so childish and immature. ewww..
When I read words like that, its NEXT… onto the next comment. I can’t take anyone seriously who presents themselves like that. I’m sorry but I am above it. Take it anyway you want to. I always feel like I’m in a barnyard when I come here. LOL
Whoops said, on March 15, 2011 at 10:40 pm
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Careful — your IGNORANCE IS SHOWING BLATENTLY ….. the term “rabbi” now and then means TEACHER —-and yes, Jesus had a following …and thus was referred to as “rabbi” …. Study and you will learn… and I wonder whand was considered teacher/ rabbi – curious as to why you lifted my comments from another blog to post here ….,. Hummmm.
theJBmission said, on March 16, 2011 at 4:28 am
—————YOU are correct ….. rabbi, then and now means TEACHER … it’s not an “occupation” in and of itself….. and do you wonder why my comments were lifted and reposted on THIS blog???? Most peculiar. Woops needs to read and learn more before posting …..
For information: ”
The title Rabbi isn’t present in the Tanach (Jewish Bible). That being said, Rabbi means ‘teacher’.” —- Another definition is “spiritual leader” …. it is NOT NECESSARILY an “occuption.”
theJBmission said, on March 16, 2011 at 4:17 am
Whoops,
Don’t put words in my mouth. WE ALL RESPOND TO HAZAKA! Speak for yourself or speak for Bill Sheaffer’s blog but do not speak for me. You are delusional.
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Excuse me JB, I didn’t put any words in your mouth. I only posted what I observe on your blog that rarely anyone at your blog respond to Hazaka as they don’t here. So don’t put words in my mouth either. As a side note, when Casey is convicted you are going to be eating a lot of your own words. And if anyone is delusional it is you for defending a child murderer and her wretched family.
Woops — you are so wrong it is pitiful. And, why did you lift my commet from one blog to post on another — you like my words?
Hazaka,
You are so arrogant and confrontational! Why do you feel the need to come here to defend a grown woman who is more than capable of defending herself?? Whoops has the right to an opinion and comment. What a catty bunch you reflect!!!
BTW….
JB, I really do respect you. I am honored to have spoken with a true blooded Bayou Hippie. I’m sorry I can’t contain my anger regarding your stance on this case. I will go away now, but I just wanted to say PEACE.
Go back to HASHBERRY —–
J-B-Mission….whatajoke! You have “character”? You ain’t nothing but a tool…
Don’t like people calling the duhfense…. the duh duh duh fense… this ain’t your blog.
You are so above the name-calling but how do you refer to State’s Attorney Ashton?
Hypocrite much??
yet you have “character”….LMAO!
You speak of being afraid of the TRUTH… I am not the one that has tried to invent a conspiracy against Casey by insinuating everyone is lying while ignoring the “stranger to the truth”…. the accused killer of Caylee.
According to you and your 3 other trolls, Casey’s lies are gonna be explained right away on day 1 of the trial, as for some reason Baez has let his little innocent client sit in the county jail longer than anyone else in history while sitting on those “compelling reasons” that “EVERYONE is gonna understand”……..you really believe that crock of sh!t??
Run along back over to your protected domain where you can bask in the lies of those around you because out here in the real world i would just lead you to the middle of the hallway and watch as you spin around dumbfounded as to where to go next…. much like Casey and her Duh-duh-duhfense still find themselves… almost 3 years later.
Apologies to Mr. Scheaffer and other posters but i have waited a long time for this particular troll to crawl out from under its rock and come into an arena that it has no control over…
I will engage it until it trips over its own illogic and then it can crawl back under its rock.
notrial4casey, I liked your comment, in particular, your closing sentence, “Linda Drane Burdick is a search engine when it comes to this case.” Isn’t that the truth, though? Don’t worry about people that come here throwing their dis-information around hoping somebody will bite and thereby create a bit of confusion. HA HA! Their strategy is about as effective as the Defense’s. It’s NOT. Everyone else here is intelligent and knows the facts of the case. When we don’t we have the lovely Mr. Sheaffer to explain them to us.
Mr. Sheaffer thanks again for giving us your valuable time and wisdom (and thanks for omitting how the sausage was made). I’ve learned much by watching this case play out through your eyes, and I am relieved to hear that even if the Judge does suppress casey’s spoken words we will still have her written statements. I would however like to add my name to the others who also disagree with your assesment of jose baez. I think he is a terribly dismal lawyer and I would never let him near anyone I cared about. Same for mason. They have horrible personalities and virtually no lawyer-ing skills that I’ve seen yet. I can’t think of any way to measure their worth in this case.
Hazaka,
You speaking to me?????
N4C, though I don’t agree with your nic and I can’t speak for Mr Sheaffer but you don’t have to apologize to this poster. It is about time someone had the talegas to tell the Mission for Casey to put it where the sun don’t shine. She needs to keep the D-Ego she’s yapping about in check herself. They are like a bunch of one legged ducks swimming in circles over there.
Hey Bees!! Don’t be such a stranger and I agree totally with your assessment of Jose B. What is it now, 53 days and we will all be wearing out our keyboards.
Hi Whoops! Yep, 53 days to go. I’m resting my fingers now in preparation for all we will have to say then! Can’t wait.
No-TRIAL-4-Casey,
Yes, I tried to show everyone what is looks like to read “JustAnA$$” instead of Jeff Ashton, but you know what, it didn’t feel right to me and that’s why I stopped. Do you even know what the word “troll” means?? LMBO Do yourself a favor and look it up so you won’t look so stupid.
I had you pegged wrong. I actually thought you were an informed and intelligent blogger who just didn’t have any class or self-respect. One day I actually tried to read your view point and I thought..”well-stated” I didn’t agree but I thought you presented yourself well. Hahaha.. Well, at least I’m woman enough to say when I’m wrong, YOU? Probably not and I really don’t care anyway.
If you ever took the time to read what we discuss on my site you’d know that we’re not conspiracy seekers. You’re just about as dumb as they get because you spew your assumptions like you KNOW what I’m about. You are sooooo wrong.
You can use caps till you’re blue in the face and it’ll always roll off of my back because I always consider the source. If it came from you…it means nothing.
Keep clucking in the hen house, nobody’s listening.
NoTrial 4 Casey,
You’ve been waiting for me???? hahahhahahahahaaa..Well here I am. Whatcha got?
Hazaka,
Isn’t it nice that I got it? lol.. Thank you so much for clarifying this for me. I guess only a few intelligent people could put that together. Beware of your surroundings. it’s a barnyard so don’t expect too much.
Oh yes and don’t bother to put too much effort into your explanations. Not many actually read and comprehend.
Whoops,
I appreciate your response. Thank you. Hazaka does comment on my site and she’s always on topic and on key with a perfect comment. You know it’s not quantity of comments, it’s the quality of the content.
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@Hazaka,
Wow, it looks like you have a few stalkers. LOL, I’m flattered that you comment on my site too. Thank you very much Maam. I didn’t know you were a celebrity.
Well thank you Venice,
Peace to you too. Outside of this case, we’d probably get along just fine. Differences of opinions shouldn’t be taken personally. I have nothing personally against you either.
Hazaka said, on March 16, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Go back to HASHBERRY —–
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You’re great with the one-liners. A woman of little words and says so much.
Oh my God! I was just reading about a remark baez made to Jeff Ashton during a deposition. After some brief argument the loud-mouthed pig actually said, “You just screamed like a little girl.” Seriously. Just how pathetically juvenile do you have to be to actually say “You scream like a little girl” to someone????
What’s the matter baez? Hearing little girls screaming lately? I guess that might happen when you start defending people who make little girls scream. I hope those screams get really loud at night when there’s no other noise to block them out. And I hope your client hears them nice and loud too.
Mr. Ashton and Ms. Linda Drane-Burdick if you’re reading, I am so sorry you have to deal with those idiots. So sorry.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/03/casey-anthony-the-day-jose-baez-said-you-just-screamed-like-a-little-girl.html/comment-page-1#comments
“The Junior High Taunts are all that remains.
The defense for accused child killer Casey Anthony has floundered…not so much to find a reasonable doubt; they’ve never gotten that far.
They’s floundered to find out what defense strategy they will actually use. After more than 2 1/2 years, they still don’t know;
So it is when no argument remains: childish insults are all that is left.”
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2011/03/baez-junior-high-taunts-on-tape.html
JB, if this is such a barnyard, what are you doing here? Did someone open the gate at your place and let one of the sus scrofa domesticus out. If so maybe NT4C can cook up a batch of pork sausage for you and Hazaka. Let that roll off your back!!
PS, “it’s the quality of the content”? There in lies the problem, when she comments here it is nothing but snarly, rude and insensitive one liners.
theJBmission said, on March 16, 2011 at 7:43 pm Hazaka said, on March 16, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Go back to HASHBERRY —–
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You’re great with the one-liners. A woman of little words and says so much.
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Words are powerful — don’t need too many to get the point across!
oh really Bees Knees,
Are you really saying unknown DNA on the sticky side of the duct tape doesn’t present reasonable doubt? You’re forgetting that the jury will not consist of one-sided, narrow minded individuals such as NoTrial4Casey or anyone else who approves of the way she thinks. With that said, I think there’s a good chance that Casey will not be convicted of 1st degree murder. Remember there are other options besides 1st degree murder. Either of the other 2 could get Casey 15yrs in prison.
All I’m hoping for is a fair trial which under the law, everyone deserves. Ask Mr. Sheaffer. I’m sure he’ll agree.
Really JB,
1st Degree Capital Murder in Florida is punishable by one of two things. Life Without Parole or Death. What other options are you talking about. Do you think that Judge Perry is going to give a Jury instruction allowing 2nd Degree Murder punishable by 30 to life? What other two could get her 15 years?
J-B-Mission…. such a deluded little troll.
) have investigated the disappearance of the 34 month old by asking the one person that was most prominently responsible for the well-being and safety of the child for valid facts to investigate, only to verify that every lead generated by the accused killer is a rabbit hole…..
You venture out here in the blog world dragging around your admiration of Baez and spouting about a motive for Casey murdering Caylee being needed, when you know motive in not necessary to prove murder1…..
then you cheerlead Baez as Dr. Spitz’s lame…. very lame report where the only thing he disputes the State about is if there was in fact a murder….
Dead 34 month old with a rare industrial strength duct tape wrapped around her face, stuffed into a laundry bag and 2 more trash bags dumped in the woods a stone’s throw from Casey’s house after LE (or as you refer to them, Keystone cops… there is that hypocrite thingy again
Since from reading your posts you insinuate that LE has done something nefarious to place Casey in the current situation that she finds herself…
Start at the beginning and tell me exactly what leads you to believe that LE is to blame…..or has done anything that will provide the baby-killer with a get out of jail free card…
Day 31… go from there……
notrial4casey said, on March 17, 2011 at 9:08 am —————————————————————
Gee — you got most of it wrong.
From The BS Mission, oops, I mean The JB Mission today.
Imagine 65% polyester cotton blend, industrial strength Henkel brand duct tape covering the mouth of a small human being. A young human being has a skin surface near the lips that is very delicate along with the slight but present fuzz-like hairs that has been covered tightly by duct tape in 3 strips of 4 to 6 inch duct tape. The tape is wrapped around so taunt that it extends to the back of the head over the hair of the back of the skull.
First of all JB, the Henkel heat resistant duct tape that was used on Caylee was 2” wide not 4 to 6 inches. When wrapped around anything including a small head and stuck to itself, it is very difficult to pull apart even in extreme conditions. Have you ever uncoiled a length of duct tape and caught it on itself? It is near to impossible to get it apart and if you do it is unusable.
The Henkel brand duct tape used in this case was primarily designed to be used in the heating and air conditioning business to seal the ducts where the temperatures can range from 32 degrees to 120 degrees f. In other words, it would certainly withstand the rigors of the heat in Florida. The adhesive on duct tape is extremely resistant to not only heat but moisture as well. However, let me say that when duct tape adhesive is exposed to heat, cold and moisture over a long period of time, it will eventually turn to a powder and sluff off. That would be years not months as in this case.
For the sake of brevity I won’t belabor this comment other than to say that I sold Henkel,
Arno and SureTape brand duct tape for many many years. I still have boxes of samples in my storage. Needless to say I’ll never run out of it.
Last but not least your article today doesn’t hold water much less any credibility since your research at least on Duct Tape is seriously flawed.
Hazaka….
a minion of a troll….. is still…… just a troll.
I see that the kool-aide still suits your taste….
whoops,
Just read the article that you mentioned, printed it out and wiped my ass with it….
Nothing that the duhfense has offered up backs anything that was written….
All it amounts to, in essence, is wishful thinking on the trolls’ part….
Desperation is on display and i relish seeing the trolls squirm.
Thanks a lot NT4C, I just laughed so damn hard that my freakin’ cat ran out the cat door and now I can’t find her.
Hi anonymous, NO-TRIAL_4- CASEY,
I came back to talk to you.
hey..I wanted to know if you gave up your United States citizenship yet?? Since you don’t believe in the judicial system I was thinking maybe you could move to Red China. I think you’ll fit in just fine and maybe then you wouldn’t have such terrible anger issues.
I’m just trying to help you No Trial 4 Casey. I truly want you to be happy.
Hey Whoops…
You made a BIG WHOOPS AGAIN.. LOL
I know now that you can’t read.. nor can you comprehend. LMBO!
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I don’t care if you sell pencils in the Brooklyn Tunnel..hahahahhaa
My article had nothing to do with the type of duct tape that was used. You should go back to elementary school and ask the kids there to teach you basic phonics and comprehension. You’re a Dutz.. hahahhaahhhhahhhhahha
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NO TRIAL 4 CASEY,
I’M HERE..WHATCHA GOT. MAKE IT QUICK BECAUSE I’M BUSY. YOU GOT 10MINS.
TICK-TOCK
notrial4casey said, on March 17, 2011 at 9:26 am –
Actually it was FLAV0R-AIDE —get your facts straight.
Well Whoops,
If you read at my site you should know what other charges Casey could be convicted on. But..since ya don’t know HOW to read .. I guess you’ll just continue to be a Big Whoopeeee.
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No Trial 4 Casey,
i think you better keep on wiping… You’re a STINKY. But then again you’re so full of it.. It’ll probably never come off. You’re a stinky NO TRIAL 4 CASEY
NO TRIAL 4 YOU,
NO TIME 4 YOU,
NEXT TIME YOU WANT TO TELL ME SOMETHING, COME TO MY SITE.
AND USE YOUR REAL NAME. I THINK YOU’VE BEEN THERE TO SEE ME BUT I THROW THE TRASH OUT EVERYDAY. TRASH USUALLY STARTS OUT SAYING THEY KNOW EVERYTHING…HAHAHAHAHA…REALLY?
Brace yourselves, folks. The final days are nigh! The trolls are writhing in their own mis-truths and are very anxious to get their final bullsh*t fabrications out there as often as possible before the trial begins. Don’t worry. EVERYTHING is on the side of what is good and right in this case, from LE to witnesses to evidence. Soon the day will come when we’ll never have to even think of these terrible human beings again. The trolls will scuttle back to under the woodwork and resurface on some other plane of human suffering to try again in some other tragedy. And the day will come when we won’t even remember their names. It’s coming very soon. 52 days.
NEW HINKY!!!
Caylee Anthony case: Ashton responds in a hairy argument
The State of Florida filed a Response to Motion to Exclude Unreliable Evidence (Post Mortem Banding) yesterday. This response is to a motion in which the defense team is moving to have the “death hair” ruled to be unreliable evidence and excluded from expert testimony provided by the state. I have not read the defense motion, and cannot find a copy of it. It doesn’t matter, it appears Ashton will win this one.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/03/17/caylee-anthony-case-ashton-responds-in-a-hairy-argument/#more-6402
Hey JB, you are neglecting your missionites. You only have four comments over there and three of them are yours. I guess you like it here better. LOLOLOL
hey J-B…. looks like your mission is coming apart at the seams….
That rare duct tape got you in a little twit, huh….
Very difficult to surmise how the same rare brand of duct tape is found on the gas can that GA used and on the posters of Caylee is missing posted by none other than the Anthony’s 6 months before it was found wrapped around Caylee’s decomposed skull…..
You are making this too easy for me…. thought for sure that in all this time locked up over in your “think-tank’ that you would come better than this….
As so far you have presented yourself as nothing more than a cheerleader for Baez, a hater of LE and a hypocrite with a sense of entitlement far above that of your demonstrated worth… as evidenced by your previous posts.
Now back to the beginning, DAY 31… take over the investigation and let’s go from there….
Who do you question first, in the 31 day old “disappearance” of Caylee?
NT4C, she can’t answer that until she hears from Omar the Magician and Zuben the Schmutz to guide her words of wisdom.
Bees Knees —– you said –”..I have not read the defense motion, and cannot find a copy of it. It doesn’t matter, it appears Ashton will win this one.”"
HUH?? I guess the facts don’t matter to you because your mind is made up! How on earth can you make such a statement without knowing anything?
Oh this is a great day for Caylee supporters! Have you read Val’s new piece (link above) about the hair with the death band? You’ve got to read it if you haven’t! Jeff Ashton has made a complete fool out of baez (again!) . . . it’s beautiful! He has baez’s OWN EXPERT REFUTING THEIR CLAIM! And, not like we needed any more proof of just how terribly stupid baez is, but he still filed his motion even after knowing their own expert had screwed them. Hilarious! A must read.
Hazaka, respectfully I don’t read your comments. I noticed the one above only because my name jumped out at me. I have no interest in discussing or debating any of the issues with you but if you had read my comment more closely you might have realized that was a quote from Val at Hinky’s. My apologies for not being clear. And I am addressing Whoops and NT4C right now. Respectfully.
Hazaka….. guess reading and comprehending is about as mystifying a concept to you as deductive reasoning is…..
Read the whole article…. the duhfense expert will not be testifying, as he was the author of the report that was ruled admissable by the Frye hearing, and he did not agree with this Duhfense’s position…. oops!
Another long-time argument that the trolls like to rally around is lost down another closed up rabbit hole….
The days of mis-truths and bogus claims are rapidly diminishing…. tic-tic-tic….
Actually, to be more clear I should have said, “And I WILL BE addressing Whoops and NT4C FROM NOW ON.”
Have you guys read the piece at Hinky’s? Did it make you LYBO?
Yep. Another dark day for the defense and their goons. Caylee smiles.
Yes I did read it Bees. I guess that pesky hair with the death band (linked only to an Anthony, one of which is no longer with us), the smell of decomposition in Casey’s trunk by her parents own admission etc, is not enough for a reasonable person to conclude that the last person who drove that car and the last person to have been seen Caylee alive isn’t enough to conclude that the probability is that Casey Anthony murdered her daughter, stuffed her in three bags and left her to rot like garbage. I cannot wait for Ashton do detail this in his opening statement.
I’ll bet that when Baez and Mason read that report, they must have felt like they’d had a prostate exam by a gorilla.
oops, that would be to have seen Caylee alive
That one hair really reminds us what a true monster casey is, doesn’t it? Caylee had been dead for AT LEAST TWO TO THREE DAYS before the hair fell from her head. casey drove around with her dead baby in the car with her for at least two – three days, popping in and out of nightclubs, video stores, shopping. Think of it. It wouldn’t be right to call her anything less than a monster. True evil. Likely more evil than we have even suspected. It is great that the jury will hear of this direct evidence that casey was chauffering around a decomposing body. There’s no logical reason why she would just happen to have a dead body in her car while at the same time her baby was missing. No matter what bullsh*t story the defense tries to spin the jury ill at least know how long she had her dead baby with her.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-jeopardy-20110317,0,6609794.story
BEES KNEES said, on March 17, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Exactly
well said
Unbelievable stuff eh Bees? Guess some people just don’t dig facts!
OH MY!!
Is JB seriously debating here? After all her and her and her blogettes “are among the most intelligent, clever, free thinkers in all of Blogdom.” Her words, not mine. LOL!
http://thejbmission.wordpress.com/
Thanks for the heads up on Val’s latest, Bee’s.
Hi Whoops and notrial4casey, you guys rock!! (You too, Bee’s)
Why is JB so mad…Casey is going to get a fair trial.
And the fairness of the trial will result her conviction.
LNY, seems JB had a bit of a meltdown this morning. Her latest blog post fell on it’s ass with hardly any comments today. So she came here to vent her spleen and got her hat handed to her. I think she is pouting now.
BEES KNEES said, on March 17, 2011 at 12:05 pm
“That one hair really reminds us what a true monster casey is, doesn’t it?”
It bears repeating, Bees Knees.
I watched the hearing from the 7th for the first time today, and couldn’t bear to look at Casey or Baez. Like two peas in a pod they are. Disgustingly self-absorbed.
I know! There had to have been some devine intervention that brought those two evil souls together. Or maybe Satanic intervention. Something like that doesn’t happen by chance, does it? I wonder if we’ll ever know the truth behind their meeting. I’m not 100% sold on the official “three other inmates all recommended him to casey” story. To me the fact that she said THREE others recommended him instead of just ONE other person, smells like one of her lies/exaggerations. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn they knew each other before they said they did.
Bees, wasn’t there a story about Casey having a friend in school who was the daughter or relative of Jose? I am sure I saw that somewhere early on in this case.
Autumn, when you really think about what that actually entailed ~ driving around with her little girl decomposing day after day while she lead the life of an entitled princess is stunning. She looked radiant in any photos I’ve seen during that period. I’m almost wondering if the behaviour is human, you know? Being capable of carrying that out really makes you wonder what else she would be capable of and in my opinion there’s not much, if anything, that could make casey flinch! The State knows they have a monster.
Yeah, I remember reading that too but I can’t remember the source or if it was ever confirmed. I’ll see if I can find anything.
Hi guys..not a lot of time, but just wanted to add something to Bees post about Caylee being carted all over Orlando in the trunk after she was murdered.
Don’t forget that bozo very early on, confirmed for the whole world that casey was the only one who had access to the death mobile. He stated that on one of his many televised interviews. Too bad the dumazz didn’t THINK before he opened that big old mouth of his….oh, sorry, I just realized that I was speaking of this particular piece of slime who in incapable of rational, deductive thinking! I think his problem is that everyone appreciates the dapper Mr. Ashton (folks at trial say he smells heavenly
) and refers to bozo as a chubby Pee Wee Herman…..LOL….they probably stay clear of him as he doesn’t appear to have taken a shower! LOL foghorn probably smells like the chicken farm he lives in. No wonder bozo’s bikini business failed…he probably told his clients they looked like chubby little children! He evidently doesn’t like children any more than his monstrous client.
Come on BSMission…..lets hear the derogatory comments! LOL Do you ever wonder why it is only you and your imagitrolls that post over there? Have you EVER made a contributory comment or is you sole purpose here to liven things up by cheap shots and name calling? I can’t imagine there is any real discourse at your place, judging from the childishness you post here.
Kim said, on March 17, 2011 at 12:13 pm No worries Kim! Ms. Gardner always says this stuff when her budget is threatened. I think she really knows there would be a tax payer revolt if the skank doesn’t go to trial…..I mean, look at what the little piece of trash has already cost honest, hard working tax payers! That is a drop in the bucket compared to the expense the State has incurred after she and her thieving family and attorneys threw away!
oops…threw away over a 1/4 million!
Frankie – I saw that – looks like politics as usual from a buttinski who has nothing to do with it anyway!!
3000 pages from the defense dropped last night
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-depositions-20110318,0,7308808.story
Hoipefully today will bring some much needed denials to the defense for their motions to try to keep Caseys lies out of court. I have a feeling that the circus is just starting. MO George and Cindy should not be allowed in the courtroom during the trial unless testifying. They have proven repeatedly that they are unable to act properly and follow the rules, how many breaks do these fake greivers deserve? I agree, that Casey is capable of anything, including riding around with poor Caylee in the trunk just so her life of screwing around could go on with no interruption.
As for George & his wife, how can they look at each other, knowing that they both have worked tirelessly to get the creep who murdered their granddaughter a free pass.
@ Gulliver “MO George and Cindy should not be allowed in the courtroom during the trial unless testifying.”
Unfortunately, it is the opposite. George and Cindy will be able to sit in the courtroom up and until either one is called to testify in which case one or the other will be not allowed in the courtroom while the other is testifying and dismissed by the defense, prosecution and ultimately Judge Perry. Unless their comportment is such that it disrupts courtroom decorum, we will have to look at the contemptible expressions, contortions and undeniably gross cud chewing by the two most disgusting parents of a defendant in history.
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you enjoy the trip. – Caskie Stinnett
WFTV: Kathi Belich ‘mildly miffed’ about domain-name prank
“If you go to kathibelich.com, guess where you land?
Why, the website for Jose Baez’s law firm.”
I wouldn’t want to be the idiot who pulled this one.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/03/wftv-kathi-belich-mildly-miffed-about-domain-name-prank.html
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you enjoy the trip. – Caskie Stinnett
kathibelich.com ———————————— cool.
Yes, Hazaka it is soooo cool.
But what is really really cool is that Baez and Mason are so “threatened” by her. LOL!
Soooo…according to my Casey Anthony Updates on Facebook
Casey Anthony Updates
Among the names on this list of depositions: Michael Erickson, the deputy who died on duty this week and was listed as a witness for the trial…
Defense Depositions In Casey Case Filed
http://www.wesh.com
Casey Anthony’s defense releases key depositions. Friday, March 18, 2011…
http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/27237786/detail.html?utm_source=manual&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=casey+updates
WHEN will we get to see them????
LindaNewYork —————–
I don’t know who feels threatened by KB — I just love technology…THAT is what cool for me………..
@whoops… I know, awful news for poor Caylees memory, the world watching her “loving grandparents” making faces at the people who are trying to get justice for her.
http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/27241997/detail.html
motions denied
Yippie!!!
Poor defense defenders!! lol
Hey All,
What great day for Caylee!
And an early birthday ‘gift’ to Casey… from the good Judge.
Casey’s own words will be heard by the jury and they will be just as appalled by her demeanor as i was….and the fact that it was obvious that Casey offered no assistance in locating Caylee and never intended to.
Betcha the trolls are over at the puzzle palace trying to pick up the pieces…. while brewing kool-aide and dreamng of rabbit holes…
Denied, denied, denied.
Agents of the State……hahaha LOL!
Cindy and George..the great revisionists..
I agree notrial4casey, the jury will be just as appalled and outraged at the blatant lies and BS that come out of that murderer’s mouth.
“Betcha the trolls are over at the puzzle palace trying to pick up the pieces…. while brewing kool-aide and dreamng of rabbit holes…”
@NT4C, they can dream of Sugar Plum Fairies for all the conversation is worth over there. Read a few comments and had to gag. I guess they think that this is Judge Belvin Perry’s first rodeo and there will be appeals on today’s rulings. Now there is a conspiracy by SA, LE, Orange County and the prosecution to get a conviction at all cost since they are having to spend so much money to try Casey. What will they come up with next? Oh yea, Kronk, yup Kronk must be involved somehow. Thankfully they are all mostly collected in one place to salve their wounds from today. They are swimming in Kool-Aide.
Good news today in the quest for justice for a murdered little girl, Caylee Marie Anthony!
I wonder what this is all about? Order granting transcription services for specific hearings. Some recent and some from December 2008, relating to when the remains were found. I guess the 2008 ones are concerning the Spoiliation of Evidence motion.
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27242152/detail.html
I KNEW IT! As soon as I saw the immature comments made here the past two days I knew there was some devastating news about to break for the DUHfence! And sure as hell – whaddyaknow? SO PREDICTABLE.
“Depositions Released Of Major Players In Casey Case”
When will WE get to see those depo’s?
did the cat get your tongue jbm? can’t you find anything to say or do you prefer to speak to all those -voices- on your empty blog? well I guess its easier to just talk to yourself.
Last we heard, JB Mission is in hiding in her cave. Hasn’t got the nerve to admit that she and her minionettes are full of crap. Zub has changed the subject to divert attention from the Casey Anthony case. Go figure.
I think the best way to understand the disconnect that JBMission brings to her analysis of the evidence against Ms Anthony is to understand the reasons why so many read what Mr Shaeffer has to say. His writing style and his analysis “appeals” to many as this two-time poster can attest to.
Part of the joy of reading what Mr Shaeffer has to say is acknowledging his ability to “find and understand the internal consistency of the message-the clarity of the claim, the logic of it’s reasons, and the effectiveness of its supporting evidence. The impact of logos (Greek for “word”) on an audience (hereafter known as the reader) is sometimes called the argument’s logical appeal.”
We know that when we come to Mr Shaeffer’s blog there will be truthfulness or an honorable way to the truth which lends credibility to his insights and narrative. His “Ethos (Greek for “character”) is often conveyed through tone and style of message and through the way he refers to differing views. Ethos can also be afftected by the writer’s reputation as it exists independently from the message, his expertise in the field, or his previous record or integrity, and so forth.”
Pathos. The emotional impact of this story is lost on no one who reads here. But at the end of the day we are encouraged to imagine outcomes and engage in the discussion without fear of being slammed for a differing point of view. (Range and Deans analysis of Aristotl’s Apppeals)
We are confident now that jurors will also discuss what we have known for 2.5 years. Caylee will be their focus. JBMission who has been the focus of your blog? Who do you think was involved in this crime? When you point an accusing finger at all the poor unfortunate boyfriends, the local “pedafiles” and all the fine men and woman who are working on the death investigation who is left to deflect the blame and punishment away from Casey Anthony? I know you believe Casey is a paragon of purity and virtue yet Caylee isn’t even given the time of day unless it’s to point out how Mr Kronk poked his stick in her eye socket.
Remember Caylee was a person who loved everyone unconditionally. Those who respond grieve for her and want justice for her. Try to be what Caylee always was-kind and gentle.
Excellent post…. Anonymous @ 6:38pm
You have keen observations… that i happen to agree with, as you too have puth forth a logical point of view…… in a well versed manner.
Mr. Scheaffer has certainly been a beacon of reasonableness in this journey to Justice for Caylee.
I have witnessed the events as they have occurred…. as many other bloggers have through the Sunshine Laws of Florida…as i have been interested since day 31….
I find it very appropriate that one of Caylee’s most memorable songs is
“You are my Sunshine”…
As I think that the Sunshine Laws of Florida have reflected that the TRUTH will be heard by 12 reasonable people that will not be hindered by “conspiracies of the far reaching universes”….
And the TRUTH is TOXIC to Casey….
… and as you eluded to…. eventually, who do you blame for your own client’s words??
>>>except your own client<<<
NT4C-I think Mr Baez can get through this trial and bring it to its logical conclusion. It should be many years and lots of course work before he ever attempts to represent someone accused of murder. I would hope that he has seen the face of psychopathy and can recognize it in the future. He should have told Ms Anthony that the law was not as adversarial as she might think and taking the plea deal might have given her some light at the end of the tunnel. He told Geraldo Rivera that his client “didn’t want to do the time” when he should have been convincing her that that was all she had. Her liberty was paramount in her mind -not the quest to find “the real killer.”Had he been able to identify a repugnant defendnat he might not have been so willing to use her to advance his career.
We know defendants lie to their lawyers everyday but Ms Anthony manipulated him, deceived him and mocked him. She worked her magic on him-the same kind of magic she worked on her mother, father and brother. He knows that now. He made mistakes but now he has to fight for his clients life and prove that he respects the rule of law and those who would disagree with him on its interpretation.
Anonymous said, on March 21, 2011 at 9:48 am ———- I really think you have afforded Casey far too much credit.
Hazaka-If you had taken the time to come to understand who this defendant is you might not have come to the conclusion that anyone, certainly not I, have afforded (given) Ms Anthony any “credit” for anything. I simply described her characteristics of manipulation, deception and her ever present mocking behaviors. It is important to keep in mind that psychopaths are not disoriented or out of touch with reality, nor do they experience the delusions, hallucinations, or intense subjective distress that characterize most other mental disorders. Unlike psychotic individuals, psychopaths are rational and aware of what they are doing and why. Their behavior is a result of choice, freely exercised. (Robert Hare, from Without Conscience)
She understands intellectually why she is in prison but it is her psychopathy that drives her quest for freedom. When asked for help to find her child she eventually exposed her disordered self by saying, “This is MY story and I’M sticking to it.” That story only included her pretend friends- not her boyfriend of three weeks, LE officials who planted evidence, or those who moved the body, TES searchers, celebrity whores, media whores, Mr Thompson, jail or prison gal pals, Mr Kronk, well meaning tipsters, Judge Perry, Mr Ashton and Ms Linda Drane Burdict, etc.
Psychopaths have an uncanny ability to draw a crowd.
Anonymous that was an excellent comment you left. Just ignore the ridiculous one that comes here only to complain and look for an argument. There are two here who are unable to communicate on an adult level. It might not even be their fault as I suspect they are working with limited intelligence. Ignore.
Anonymous —— this comment of yours : “.She worked her magic on him-the same kind of magic she worked on her mother, father and brother.”, in my estimation, gives her too much credit. Sorry, I don’t buy it…. and your post said nothing about any psychological disorders …… THAT has not been ealuated as fact.
I totally agree with anonymous, although I do think that Jose knew from day one that she had killed Caylee. Anyone with HALF a brain would have had to know. She definetly has the same narcissistic personality as Scott Peterson, Melanie McGuire, and the schoolteacher who killed her husband with a hatchett, and claimed abuse. Can’t think of her name right now, but her segment was on InvestigationID last week. She sat in that courtroom stone cold while they described how she axed him, stabbed him, wrapped him up just like poor Caylee was, and then put him in the back of her SUV. Unbelievable.
skinny puppy-I wonder why anyone would waste their precious time saying things that are patently false. All any sensible person would do is read the discovery as well as the analysis and go from there. It takes far more common sense and a lot less twisted thinking to accept what has been proven. In a few short weeks it will all be entered into evidence and the trial will begin. You never know maybe the verdict will be handed down on Caylee’s birthday.
Hazaka-Psychopathy is not a mental disorder. It matters little whether or not you think Ms Anthony is a psychopath. What’s more important is the fact that I believe she is one and I base it on reading Hare, et al. Her mental health records are confidential so it is simply a matter of opinion. I choose to believe it and you don’t. End of story.
Gulliverstravels-Mr Baez certainly knew that Casey killed her child. He told her to keep her mouth quiet. He went over to Suburban Drive and spoke with the parents and he also smelled the decomposition eminating from the trunk of her car. Within 30 days of the Bond hearing he was in Ms Burdict’s office looking for a plea deal.
Why would he vigorously defend her right to remain silent if he thought she was innocent? Why didn’t he say to Casey, ‘Listen, for the sake of your child tell Law Enforcement everything you know and we will deal with the fallout later.”
Anonymous ———- ah —– but Psychopathy IS a mental disorder …. more a personality disorder than Psychiatric ——— AND …. it must be disagnosed… just to refer to someone as a pyschopath is like calling someone “retarded” without knowing what one is tallking about — ’nuff said.
Hazaka,
How appropriate that you would choose that analogy….. your ‘ethos’ are glaringly obvious………as you have definitely said enough.
notrial4casey —— I think you are dangerously on the verge of being obscene.
Hazaka-I am quite sure Ms Anthony’s psychological assessment involves psychopathy. The only one without medical credentials who looked at that report was Judge Strickland. He asked for it prior to her Bond hearing (July 2008). As they say, this was not Judge Strickland’s first rodeo-he knows that there is the possibility that the child is dead and that the killer could be sitting in front of him. He is guided by Ms Anthony’s own admissions (statement to police), her flight risk (she had a long history of fleeing the home) and her psychological assessment. All these factored into why she received a Bond of 500K. I am of the understanding that Bond on the Neglect of a Child charge might have been as much as 10K.
The clinical psychologist and psychiatrist who have evaluated her while incarcerated will have much more to say about the origins of her psychopathy. Did it rear its ugly head during adolescene due to childhood trauma? Was she a victim of incest or abandoned emotionally? Was it a combination of nurture or nature? We have to rely on what teachers and extended family members have to say about her behavior and her lack of remorse, guilt, and shame. Her lying and stealing are classic psychopathic behaviors but what I think will be important for some jurors is whether or not her callous disregard for human life was percipitated by the absence of a conscience. Was she always someone who could not, for whatever reason(s), form warm and lasting emotional relationships. I believe they will come to realize that this was not a crime of passion.
Hazaka-FYI
Psychopathy is a personality disorder defined by a distinctive cluster of behaviors and inferred personality traits, most of which society views as pejorative. It is therefore no light matter to diagnose an individual as a psychopath. Like any psychiatric disorder, diagnosis is based on the accumulation of evidence that an individual satisfies at least the minimum criteria for the disorder.
Psychopaths are social predators who charm, manipulate, and ruthlessly plow their way through life, leaving a broad trail of broken hearts, shattered expectations, and empty wallets. Completely lacking in conscience and in feelings for others, they selfishly take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without the slightest sense of guilt or regret. It has primarily been within the last few decades that the deadly mystery of the psychopath has begun to reveal itself. (Robert Hare, from Without Conscience). I am quoting from a 1993 edition.
. I have never seen someone with such a ho hum attitude as Casey. Her demeanor screams entitlement, and it is a shame that the State of Florida has to foot the bill. Her entitled family should certainly have to turn over the money they bring in from the media touring and picture sales. This is probably one of the first times that Cindy decided to let Casey make her own choice with Jose Baez because she simply did not want to have to pay a dime for the stellar “dream team” that quickly smelled a book or movie deal. Human nature, gotta love it.
I found nothing obscene in anything said here. Strange that you do.
Anonymous…
Your posts reflect some deep observations of this case and you have certainly dropped some gems on here…
I like the post that included;
“It takes far more common sense and a lot less twisted thinking to accept what has been proven.”
The trolls have always feared what is most obvious about this case and Judge Perry’s latest rulings has spoiled a long-time favorite batch of the kool-aide…
Casey’s own words and demeanor are now admissable evidence…
I heard a rumor that they are brewing up a new batch that is supposed to last ‘em through the appeals process….i think it is called “Compelling Reasons” and supposedly the rabbit hole that it opens up encompasses nefarious judges, state’s attorneys, LE ,FBI, media and NLB’s
In a few short weeks it will all be entered into evidence and the trial will begin. You never know maybe the verdict will be handed down on Caylee’s birthday.
One more time ……….. no rumors … no blog “thoughts” or conjecture —- lets wait … …….. ort some have no patience………………………
sorry, Anonymous….
cut off half my post…. this quoted from you, also…
“In a few short weeks it will all be entered into evidence and the trial will begin. You never know maybe the verdict will be handed down on Caylee’s birthday.”
Nothing more detrimental to the bogus argument that Casey was coerced into her statements than just letting the jury hear and see her for themselves… and they will.
Gullivers travels-I can recall as if it were yesterday how Casey wiggled as she entered the courtroom for her arraignment. The wiggle has diminished over time but she still looks and acts as if the whole fiasco in court is just a pro forma experience. When she realizes that she will continue to eat, sleep and relieve herself in the same room for the rest of her life without the possibility of any contact with anyone but prison guards perhaps she will look upon Life without the POP as a gift. At least she will be able to shower without being shackled and shuffled to and fro with wrist and belly chains. I think this is where a more experienced lawyer could have rounded up the family and read them all the riot act. They didn’t have to sell the victim’s likeness to pay for this advice. But instead of doing the moral and ethical thing they told Mr Baez to sell what he could. He took 90K. Who needs 90K to represent a mother charged with Neglect?
NT4C-You know what has always offended me about those who have gained a reputation for being sideways, upside down thinkers? It is the blatant audacity they have as a group to degrade, demean and discredit not only LE and all the first responders but the ME’s findings. They believe they know best-the child wasn’t murdered. There was no DNA found at the crime scene as they see it. The only DNA that actually was found is never discussed-Casey Anthony was the maternal DNA match to the bones. For them the mere fact that Casey Anthony is breathing on her own should be reason enough to establish innocence.
Hazaka said, on March 21, 2011 at 1:39 pm Anonymous ———- ah —– but Psychopathy IS a mental disorder …. more a personality disorder than Psychiatric ——— AND …. it must be disagnosed… just to refer to someone as a pyschopath is like calling someone “retarded” without knowing what one is tallking about — ’nuff said.
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Hazaka, personality disorders are no excuse in the murder of a child. I watched the Betty Broadrick Movie this weekend, the psychirtrist (sp?) that testified at her trial said that “to be diagnosed as narcissitic, you ONLY had to have 5 of the 9 characteristics.” Betty Broadrick had ALL nine. Betty Broadrick has been denied parole, she still sees herself as the victim, not her ex-husband & his new wife that slept in their home when she CHOSE to murder them. imo, KC has glaringly shared many of the characteristics, which, imo, won’t make any difference in her verdict if this is one of the terms that is shared about KC, how sad to not be able to have empathy when you have murdered someone.
Hazaka, I work with Special Needs Kids. NO BODY calls them “retarded,” it is insulting, the correct language is “special needs” or “mentally challenged.” Children that are Blind, are considered “visually impaired.” I know you may not come in contact with that population, but if you ever do, that is the correct language today.
I’m sure Hazaka knows how hurtful and hateful that word is. The word has been abandoned in educational and medical literature since the 1970′s. Language that divides is always the cover for people who really have nothing to say in the first place.
Anonymous … I do know how hurtful “that” words is… AND I KNOW HOW HURTFUL AND HATEFUL …it is to toss around mental, psyciatric or personality disorder labels. There ARE challenged people in my life …. and you should never make assumptions about people you DO NOT KNOW. To label, refer to or call anyone anything about which you do not know is outrageous.
Hazaka-With our crime rates and prison populations spirling out of control, with mental health facilities growing packed beyond capacity, with unprecedented trends in violent crime, substance abuse, etc, Dr Hare firmly believes that mental health and social work professionals sorely need to use the concept of psychopathy to guide decision making. Properly used, the diagnosis of psychopathy has the potential to clear up some of the confusion about how and why our social order is in such difficulty…..However, improper use of the label has powerful destructive potential….It is for these reasons that the Psychopathy Checklist is such a valuable tool. Not only does it provide clinicians and decision makers with a reliable and valid diagnostic procedure, it provides others-including members of the criminal justice system-with a detailed description of precisely what goes into a diagnosis of psychopathy. Accurate diagnoses that also have predictive validity can be extremely useful to the criminal justice system. The success of the Psychopathy Checklist in predicting recidivism and violence attests to this. (from Robert Hare’s Without Conscience)
It is a crying shame that JBMission and her followers have to hijack this site to spew.
I would suggest that she allow the bloggers she is so anxious to respond to here, be allowed to post their disagreements with her on the JBMission site instead of banning them.
Bill Shaeffer is a fair, civil, informed gentleman with knowledge of the law which he is willing to share with us. His tone is pleasant, objective and he encourages open minded discussion. It is disrespectful to use his site to further one’s own ends.
Anonymous said, on March 22, 2011 at 9:09 am
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I actually totally agree with your comment.
benchwarmer said, on March 22, 2011 at 9:37 am –
So — did you replace Craig?
Hey All,
Anonymous…. you have the same problem that i have with the trolls….
As in, the trolls logos, ethos and pathos just do not convey a logical point of view when it comes to this case….
The trolls get in an uproar over anything remotely suspicious from LE, Kronk and everyone else in this case… EXCEPT CASEY.
The skepticism exhbited against everyone else just does not jive with the inability to see Casey for the lies that she has spun.
I am just as incensed by the trolls claims of being fence-sitters… (Much like i was very early in this case,) as Cindy and George had the audacity to demand that LE and searchers find Caylee while pretending/failing to acknowledge that the one person that has all of the real answers [Casey] has provided nothing but lies in her ‘assistance’ to find Caylee.
Now at this very late juncture in the case, even though the good Judge has ruled on the admissability of Casey’s pathology based on the law of the land and the merits of the legal arguments before him…. the trolls still refuse to accept Casey’s own words for the BS that they are….and wild ~conspiracy theories~ are spun from these self-proclaimed fence sitting trolls….
Laughably, disengenuous, delusions as their logos, ethos and pathos are so transparently slanted, yet they pretend that all cannot see them for what they are…..
That is the main reason that i will always whack-a-troll when it raises up from the kool-aide long enough to venture out in the real blog world and watch as it scurries back over to its protected site to lick its wounds.
Like i did with the deluded, self-pretentious, high and mighty (only in her own mind) mnisguided J-B cheerleader… who probably will be embracing conspiracies theories all the way up to the guilty verdict.
Hazaka said, on March 22, 2011 at 9:39 am
Anonymous said, on March 22, 2011 at 9:09 am
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I actually totally agree with your comment.
Anonymous…. you have a pet troll.
Not really an uncommon phenomenon, as i too have a pet roll over on Hal’s site that found welcoming encouragement for its delusions at the J-B site….
sorry Anonymous…. i was laughing so hard the i left the ‘t’ off of your “pet troll”….
benchwarmer-I recognize often times in any conversation “Discord and Discourse” can be difficult to navigate especially when someone walks into the conversation with outlandish ideas or an ax to grind. NT4C recognizes, like I do, that in order to respond one has to have points of agreement and disagreement as well as a way to convey differing points of view in a civilized and intelligent manner. It’s not always a good idea to give someone the boot or show them the door just because they have a hard time understanding who this defendant is or why her psychopathy might have been the driving force which compelled her to commit this crime. It is important and although not the focus of Mr Shaeffer’s article it is nevertheless necessary to help others come
to accept the facts without always wandering aimlessly in the dark trying to pick a fight with the first unfortunate soul who wanders in your direction.
There are a lot of things associated with this case that have “little or no consequence or meaning to either the prosecution or the defense” (Shaeffer, WJ., Discord and Discourse 8/04/2010) but they are discussed day in and day out at a place that Hazaka frequents. She learns nothing there. I thought I’d help her out. You will notice that when I walked into the conversation JBMission high- tailed it out of here and Hazaka has calmed down.
Anonymous – I do not believe I said anything about giving people “the boot” or “showing them the door”. And I have no problems with discord, discourse, disagreement, difference of opinion or any expression of one’s opinion.
My background is psychiatric nursing, my specialties are drug and alcohol misuse and my husband is a psychologist in a hospital for patients with spinal cord injuries. I am extremely sensitive to the dangers of labelling people with mental or physical “diagnoses”. And there are many so called “experts” who are as guilty of this as lay people and journalists. I do not believe there is any testimony to date indicating that Casey is suffering from psychopathy, narcicissism, borderline personality disorder, some type of rage disorder or any other psychiatric condition. While it has become common for individuals like Dr. Lillian Glass to throw around words like psychopath and narcissist and addict, it is unethical to label someone who has not been assessed. Psychologists or psychiatrists can be disciplined for doing so. It is becoming common place on infotainment shows, which include most current news shows, to indulge themselves in pseudoscientific labelling – that does not make it correct. Therefore, I cannot agree with you that it is important to convey to people that Casey is a psychopath to help them understand why she murdered her child. By the way, many psychopaths are not violent and some never engage in any criminal behaviour.
I have an intense interest in both law and politics and have been following this case closely since the first 911 call. I have read every document, transcript, interview, audio and videotape that have been made public. I have read many newspaper clippings and opinions on the subject and have checked out many of the blogs that seem to have devoted themselves to this case.
My only point was to declare that it was a shame that Mr. Schaeffer devoted his time to sharing his thoughts about the law as it relates to this case and that others would take over his blog, not to discuss that law, but to pursue their own agendas. Many people expressed disagreement with Mr. Schaeffer’s assessment that Mr. Baez inexperience were offset by his dedication to Casey while others agreed with him. Some did not believe Mr. Baez was dedicated while others did not find him incompetent. Some contributed other legal opinions and all these comments were both interesting and relevant. However, JBMission has her own blog which seems to be open only to those who agree with her. I have gone to the site and must either believe that either she nobody ever challenges her or she does not publish those people’s opinions. That does not give her the right to take the discussions she is suppressing on her own site to another site where the topic under discussion bears no resemblance to
And Anonymous, your belief that youAnonymous – I do not believe I said anything about giving people “the boot” or “showing them the door”. And I have no problems with discord, discourse, disagreement, difference of opinion or any expression of one’s opinion.
My background is psychiatric nursing, my specialties are drug and alcohol misuse and my husband is a psychologist in a hospital for patients with spinal cord injuries. I am probably more sensitive to the dangers of labelling people with psychiatric “diagnoses” than most people and believe me there are many so called experts who are as guilty of this as lay people and journalists. I do not believe there is any testimony to date indicating that Casey is suffering from psychopathy, narcicissism, borderline personality disorder, some type of rage disorder. While it has become common for individuals like Dr. Lillian Glass to throw around words like psychopath and narcissist and addict, it is unethical for even a psychiatrist or psychologist to label someone they have not assessed. It is becoming common place on infotainment shows, which include most current news shows, to indulge themselves in pseudoscientific labelling – that does not make it correct. Therefore, I cannot agree with you that
I have an intense interest in both law and politics and have been following this case closely since the first 911 call. I have read every document, transcript, interview, audio and videotape that have been made public. I have read many newspaper clippings and opinions on the subject and have checked out many of the blogs that seem to have devoted themselves to this case.
My point was simple. It is a shame that Mr. Schaeffer devoted his time to sharing his thoughts about the law as it relates to this case only to have others use his blog to pursue their own agendas. Many people expressed disagreement with Mr. Schaeffer that Mr. Baez inexperience was offset by his dedication to Casey. Others agreed with him. Still others did not believe Mr. Baez was dedicated or alternately incompetent. All these opinions were relevant to the law and Bill’s blog is about law and justice. JBMission has her own blog which I hear is open only to those who agree with her. Having read some of it I tend to believe her agenda is to promote the Anthony’s and she does not like to be challenged. It just seems inappropriate to me that the discussions she wants to have on Bill’s legal blog are more suitable to her own blog but cannot happen there because she does not allow dissent. I also find that she brings a mean and uncharitable tone to this blog and there is enough meanness in life.
Screwed up one sentence a bit in editing but it wasn`t important
No problem. I always read things a couple of times.
Anonymous, I enjoy your comments, I do have to say the only thing I would feel comfortable with “labeling” Casey with at the present time, (although, I do believe she is far from normal) is what she herself chose as her label. Maybe she really is just a vindictive “B”.
benchwarmer said, on March 22, 2011 at 12:52 pm
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I so very much appreciate your informed comments regarding labeling or “diagnosing” someone with mental, personality or psychiatric problems. I too am aware that unless one has analysed and has done a full and proper diagnosis, it is grossly unethical. That has always been my point.
gullivers travels-Yes, let’s look at the descriptor Ms Anthony used to comfort those who were standing before her hoping and praying that she would come forward with a morsel of information about the whereabouts of her child. She couldn’t and she wouldn’t but she did confess to being a “spiteful “B” without hesitation.
Let’s take a look at a day when she didn’t feel spiteful, sad or silly. It’s all about the “I” and not the “B”
“I have no regrets, just a bit worried. I just want everything to work out okay. I completely trust my own judgement & know that I made the right decision. I just hope the end justifies the means. I just want to know what the future holds for me. I guess I will soon see. This is the happiest I have been in a very long time. I hope that my happiness will continue to grow–I’ve made new friends I really like. I surrounded myself with good people–I am finally happy. Let’s hope that it doesn’t change.
Anonymous said, on March 22, 2011 at 4:03 pm, quoting Casey/s journal:
“I have no regrets, just a bit worried. I just want everything to work out okay. I completely trust my own judgement & know that I made the right decision. I just hope the end justifies the means. I just want to know what the future holds for me. I guess I will soon see. This is the happiest I have been in a very long time. I hope that my happiness will continue to grow–I’ve made new friends I really like. I surrounded myself with good people–I am finally happy. Let’s hope that it doesn’t change.”
If I might inquire of either you or benchwarmer: Who but one suffering from some form of psychopathy would make the remark “This is the happiest I have been in a very long time.” As well as, “I am finally happy” in the wake of the death of her child? Surely, Casey knew Caylee was deceased at the time, and in that she found her delight?
I don’t know much about psychology or the law but all things considered such as the habitual lying, the seeming lack of guilt or shame, I’d have to say there’s something amiss. But then, neither of you are saying there isn’t.
I’m thoroughly enjoying your comments, by the way.
I wonder how happy Casey is now
Autumn-Like you, I don’t know much about law or psychology but I certainly like to read about how both impact Casey Anthony’s quest for freedom. It’s always been my opinion that Casey Anthony is a psychopath based on “the order of magnitude rating of this particular trait as evidenced by Casey’s behavior.” (Valhall, from The Hinky Meter). THIS ARTICLE IS NOT A DIAGNOSIS but a look at the “cluster of toxic traits” observed in psychopaths. I have read this article and all the others at least 3-4 times and each time I learn something new. She is a wonderful writer.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/01/09/caseys-profile-part-2-her-psychopathy
Hare says, pathological lying and manipulation are not restricted to psychopaths. What makes psychopaths different from all others is the remarkable ease with which they lie, the pervasiveness of their deception, and the callousness with which they carry it out.
But there is something else about the speech of psychopaths that is equally puzzling: their frequent use of contradictory and logically inconsistent statements that usually escape detection…psychopaths have an uncanny ability to move words-and people-around so easily.
This would come as no surprise to clinicians, long aware that psychopaths seem to know the dictionary meanings of words but fail to comprehend or appreciate their emotional value as significant. Their language is two-dimentional, lacking in emotional depth.
Psychopaths’ thoughts and ideas are organized into rather small mental packages and readily moved around. As psychologist P. Ekman pointed out, skilled liars are able to break down ideas, concepts, and language into basic components and then recombine them in a variety of ways, almost as if they were playing scrabble. (from Without Conscience, excerpts from pgs 128-136)
Welcome benchwarmer, don’t worry ’bout typos… i never use spellcheck
You bring a valuable point in that labels are too easy to apply without a diagnoses… but i would just gently remind you that although none of us have any ‘record’ of evaluation of Casey….
…Casey has been on display for all of us to see…
I can relate what i witnessed with what anonymous has posted from author Robert Hare’s excerpts….
I will not defend anonymous’ position because it is neither my purpose nor reason for posting here…
I post here because, like you, i feel a certain disdain for the truth being perverted in every way possible….
and so far that is what i witnessing from the duhfence.
Kim, I just noticed your avatar. They are so cute and adorable!!
benchwarmer-I understand where you are coming from and couldn’t agree more with your thoughts on why we should allow the experts to make the final diagnosis for all things Casey Anthony. We are all engaged in a discussion during pretrial and will be actively involved in the guilt/innocence phase but we all know that the only ones who are mandated to give Ms Anthony the presumption of innocence are the jurors. This delay should not discourage a thoughtful and meaningful conversation; it should not prevent us from thinking or imagining outcomes and penalties.
Malcolm Gladwell has this to say about how we arrive at our conclusions or opinions. In Blink he talks about “thin slices”: “How a little bit of knowledge goes a long way.” We all want answers and according to Gladwell, “humans seem to be naturally ill at east with ambiguity.” When I’m interested in something I want to understand it. I don’t want to share a half assed theory or something which is patently false and misleading. I share what I know and God willing I have not forgotten to cite my source.
I don’t want to engage in “pseudoscientific labelling” but instead rely on and read the very best sources. At the turn of the century psychopaths were referred to as the “morally insane”. For 100 years psychologist, and the psychiatric community have been describing the traits and behaviors of psychopaths and the literature has grown. The diagnosis is sealed in the Fifth District Court of Appeals.
I have always been fascinated with “expert wirnesses”. It would be more than interesting if there were a listing of “opinions” on subjects that say Michael Baden or Henry Lee testified on while on varying sides. i.e. lee on “death bands while testifying for the State, and then Lee on “death bands” while testifying for the defense. (Keeping in mind that they are being PAID to testify for the defense.
Gulliver-Here is a short abstract that I could understand-I’m not too keen on reading scientific analysis. I’m lucky I know the planets. Aren’t there 5?
This link helped me understand the goals of both sides. I think your point about separating the “opinions” was a good one. Apparently “the burdon is on the proponent of the evidence to prove the general acceptance of both underlying scientific principle of the test and procedures used to apply that principal to the facts of the case at hand.” Read more here. Thankfully it is only 15 lines long.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10914596
Thanks, Terrytsk – those two are my grand babies, Bub and Abby
Thanks Anonymous.
I’m good with “spiteful b”. However, it is still the legal analysis I come to this site for and I truly appreciate all those who contribute their thoughts to that analysis.
Anonymous – I think you should read the DMS IV if you are going to continue to use terms like psychopath. I cannot tell you who but a psychopath would be happy that their child was dead although I do not think it has been confirmed yet that that part of the diary was written after Caylee`s death. I think it is entirely possible that someone who never wanted to keep her child, who was jealous of the child, who found the child a burden, who never bonded with the child, who preferred to party rather than be a parent could be happy that she no longer had the responsibilities of a child without being a psychopath or any other kind of mentally ill person. It is not mental illness to reject societies values and put oneself and one`s own needs first. It is pure and simple selfishness. Alternatively, she could have killed her in a rage but then so enjoyed not having her that she felt happy. And alternatively again she could have one of a number of mental illnesses other than psychopathy. You are treading a very dangerous line when you are willing to label people or attribute motivations to them that they may not have had. I do not wish to be harsh but labelling is based on ignorance and that is a slippery slope. It hurts the innocent mentally ill more than any other group. It stokes anger against individuals and groups that is unkind and unnecessary. I understand that it is commonplace in the US today to feel free to use terms like that but that does not make it right. It is also so unnecessary to making your points that Casey is not a nice person, that she is selfish, she is mean, she is not compassionate, she is hurtful, she is jealous, she is a poor parent and she could easily have killed her child. On that, I am with you 100%.
Anonymous – one more thing regarding a little bit of knowledge. In my day, the saying was – A little big of knowledge can be a dangerous thing. And I am not quite sure about your point regarding the Fifth Circuit Court. Are you telling me that they accepted a label of psychopath from non-medical personnel? That would be terrifying.
benchwarmer said, on March 23, 2011 at 4:50 pm
As you say, “A little big of knowledge can be a dangerous thing”. That seems to be what you have. “A little big (bit) of knowledge can be a dangerous thing”. Your Google searches and you opining of the meaning of what a psychopath is, is falling on deaf ears. Give us your curriculum vitae as to your credentials or you are just another blogger with an opinion? Which is it?
benchwarmer-I linked this article above. I will retype it for your convenience.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/01/09/caseys-profile-part-2-her-psychopathy
benchwarmer-Casey Anthony’s Psychological Assessment is sealed at the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.
Thanks Bill Sheaffer for your legal explanations. I am glad to know that Judge Perry has a sterling reputation. As a layman, it looks to me the defense case is sinking now. But I am sure they believe they can create reasonable doubt. How soon before a trial or during a trial can a defendant get, or can Prosecutors offer a plea deal ? And to Whoops, way back on 3-15-11 , the term christian was not used until after the resurrection. If I am correct, I believe the term was used during Paul’s travels while spreading the gospel. And Jesus did read and teach from the Torah in Nazareth (luke 4:27) I am apologizing in advance for these last two lines, because I think the blog should be posting comments on the case progress, Sheaffer’s comments etc. not mud slinging between posters.
Whoops-Although I am not a clinician I am a good reader and I like to share what I know to be true. I would not want anyone to believe that psychopathy is considered a mental illness or that it is listed in the DSM-IV as psychopathy. The closest equivalent listed is Antisocial Personality Disorder.
Many reputable researchers, writers and psychiatrist consider psychopathy to be “an unchanging, trait based condition. It reflects a disability relative to moral understanding.” Pyschopaths can present with attending mental illnesses (depression and anxiety and can be treated. Homicidal psychopaths are not amenable to treatment. Most psychopaths hate therapy and most psychiatrist can’t stand them as patients. They are seldom compliant and more often than not manipulate and decieve clinicians and medical personnel.
read more at John Hopkins University. I don’t have the link but the citation can be read at MUSE .jhu.edu
Anonymous, although I didn’t address you personally my comments were to benchwarmer, who I believe is someone here who hasn’t the fortitude to post under her chosen screen name. That being said, I find your comments to be up front and straight forward unlike “benchwarmer”. Continue on as I appreciate your comments as oppose to those who are to bring discord to this the Bill Sheaffer blog not a venue to vent your spleen with personal opinon of which we have heard ad-naseaum.
Please call me “in the dark” is there actually an assessment on CA ? I am not a clinician either, but it seems safe to say CA is a pathological liar. Her own family says so. Can the lying lead to psychopathy and or sociopathy, or would the lying be one of the traits of one of these ? Saying this, I am wondering if the defense could use this to defend her bizarre behavior. Not insanity per se, but a personality disorder. Any thoughts ?
The State won another Hearing. Baez started name calling when things started going against him. And it’s nice having Mason keeping his mouth shut.
Casey should pay more attention to her trial than writing her book “How I was Framed…The Casey Anthony Story”.
Ok Whoops but remember you asked for it so don’t say I’m boasting.
Education
BSC Honours Psychology
Nursing School – 3 years
Psychaitric Nurse on a locked ward at a Provincial Hospital
The Addiction Research Foundation – Halfway House for Alcoholics – shift attendant
The Addiction Research Foundation – Research Assistant Clinical Pharmacology
Metro Toronto Social Services – Caseworker
Metro Toronto Social Services – Data Analyst at Head Office
Metro Toronto Social Services – Systems Integrator at Head Office
I have several publications in respected journals regarding
-conditioning to create tolerance and cross-tolerance to opiates,
- administering drugs wihich affect neurotransmitters in an attempt to decrease drinking,
- critiquing a study which claimed any alcoholic could be taught to drink responsibly.
Currently retired.
Married to Psychologist who worked at
Addiction Research Foundation as a Scientist
Lyndhurst Hospital for Spinal Cord Injury – Head of the Alcohol and Drug Use Program
Amount of psychiatric knowledge I have gained from internet – zero.
You see what I mean Whoops about attributing motivations to people that you don’t know? It is my background that has made me so sensitive to this topic because I have seen first hand the damage it does to innocent people to throw these terms around.
As I said earlier, plain ordinary English is quite ordinary to discuss horror and evil and outrageous acts of violence. Why not leave medical terms to medical people.
Indeed a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing. Our knowledge of black people’s potential and humanity led us to enslave them, the current attribution of radicalism to all followers of Islam will have profound effects on harmony in the country, our treatment of 12 and 14 years old as adults is both cruel and unsustainable in economic terms. Our limited knowledge of the true dangers of drilling off-shore will probably the ruin of the Gulf.
All of us have to constantly remind ourselves to think more deeply about issues, to investigate thoroughly and then to try to create a society that truly reflects our values. I don’t think all the rapes and murders and spousal abuse and child abuse and kidnappings are what we want our society to be. But to date we are not doing much as a group to change it. And it is the thinking people at the blogs like this that have the power to change things. You Woops have the power to change things too.
Ananymous – I am a little confused. Casey’s psychological assessment is sealed at the Ninth —–
Therefore, she was diagnosed by a psychologist or psychiatrist or both.
I have no problem with them calling her a psychopath and when that is made public I have no problem wit you calling her a psychopath.
Am I incorrect that none of us know what the assessment says because it is sealed? If so, how does it relate to you argument that it is ok to call her that – or have I misunderstood that too.
I have no problem being told I am wrong so let me know please.
notrial4casey
I agree with you. I truly believe that Casey is not getting competent representation from counsel. I do not agree with Bill that Baez total dedication to Casey makes up for bad lawyering. For example, did you know that Judge Strickland has never sentenced anyone to death. And yet in a death penalty case the defense had Judge Strickland removed from the case and they now have Judge Perry who goes straight by the letter of the law and who is willing to enter the death penalty. That is no good for their client. And today, the hearings were just embarrasising. Ms Sims seemed ill prepared to examine the FBI agent and the forensic anthropoligst who was not an expert in cadaver dogs just made a good of himself. How is all this giving Casey a fair trial. And if she chooses her lead lawyer and sticks with him can she appeal based on incompetent counsel? Fair trials at the heart of the justice system.
nanshin – I strongly agree with you and I promise that from here on in I will not let myself get sucked into the catfights about sujects other than Casey and the law and Bill’s discussion of it.
Anonymous – Psychopathy was until 1980, the term used for a personality disorder characterized by an abnormal lack of empathy combined with strongly amoral conduct but masked by an ability to appear outwardly normal.
The publication of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders third edition (DSM-III) changed the name of this mental disorder to Antisocial Personality Disorder, and also broadened the diagnostic criteria considerably by shifting from clinical inferences to behavioral diagnostic criteria.
However, the DSM-V working party is recommending a revision of Antisocial Personality Disorder to include “Antisocial/Psychopathic Type”, with the diagnostic criteria having a greater emphasis on character than on behavior. The ICD-10 diagnostic criteria of the World Health Organization also lacks psychopathy as a personality disorder, its 1992 manual including Dissocial (Antisocial) Personality Disorder, which encompasses amoral, antisocial, asocial, psychopathic, and sociopathic personalities.
Despite being currently unused in diagnostic manuals, psychopathy and related terms such as psychopath are still widely used by mental health professionals and laymen alike. In particular, NATO has funded a series of Advanced Study Institutes on psychopathy, both before and after to the publication of DSM-III. Researcher Robert Hare has been a particular champion of the term; his Hare Psychopathy Checklist is the standard tool for differentiating between those with Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD) and the subset who are psychopaths. According to this scale, the prevalence of APD is two to three times that of psychopathy.
According to Christopher J. Patrick in his Handbook of Psychopathy, clinicians generally believe that there is neither a cure nor any effective treatment for psychopathy; there are no medications that can instill empathy, while psychopaths who undergo traditional talk therapy only become more adept at manipulating others. However, other researchers suggest that psychopaths may benefit as much as others from psychological treatment, at least in terms of effect on behavior. According to Hare, the consensus among researchers in this area is that psychopathy stems from a specific neurological disorder which is biological in origin and present from birth, although a 2008 review indicated multiple causes and variation between individuals. Hare estimates that about one percent of the population are psychopaths.
So you are partially correct – it is not in DSM4 under that name but will likely be again in DSM5. If after reading all the above handbooks and diagnostic criteria you still feel comfortable assigning labels to people you don’t know I will be more saddened than surprised.
I will keep my promise to narshin above to confine my future comments to legal matters. So if you feel the need to get the last word feel free to do so.
I’m confused regarding the 2 mental health professionals recently listed. I think they’re both doctors. Are they going to testify at trial in the guilt phase or in the penalty phase? They were added after the ruling that the defendant’s statements to her family and jail mates were admissible. To justify her “ugly coping” and pathological lying perhaps?
Whoops – you are perfectly free to disagree with me but there is no need to be unpleasant. First you have accused me of flipping a few facts of the internet and then thinking I was an expert. Then you say I won’t use my real screenname. I would be happy to tell you my name – Carol Walker, live in Toronto, 67 years old and joyfully retired.
What is Whoops. Is that a real screenname? If Whoops is what is wrong with Benchwarmer.
My points were very direct. They were correct other than that Psychpath was not in DSM IV but likely to be returned in DSM V. There is no doubt it is a medical term.
FYI
Psychopathy was until 1980, the term used for a personality disorder characterized by an abnormal lack of empathy combined with strongly amoral conduct but masked by an ability to appear outwardly normal.
The publication of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders third edition (DSM-III) changed the name of this mental disorder to Antisocial Personality Disorder, and also broadened the diagnostic criteria considerably by shifting from clinical inferences to behavioral diagnostic criteria.
However, the DSM-V working party is recommending a revision of Antisocial Personality Disorder to include “Antisocial/Psychopathic Type”, with the diagnostic criteria having a greater emphasis on character than on behavior. The ICD-10 diagnostic criteria of the World Health Organization also lacks psychopathy as a personality disorder, its 1992 manual including Dissocial (Antisocial) Personality Disorder, which encompasses amoral, antisocial, asocial, psychopathic, and sociopathic personalities.
Despite being currently unused in diagnostic manuals, psychopathy and related terms such as psychopath are still widely used by mental health professionals and laymen alike. In particular, NATO has funded a series of Advanced Study Institutes on psychopathy, both before and after to the publication of DSM-III. Researcher Robert Hare has been a particular champion of the term; his Hare Psychopathy Checklist is the standard tool for differentiating between those with Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD) and the subset who are psychopaths. According to this scale, the prevalence of APD is two to three times that of psychopathy.
According to Christopher J. Patrick in his Handbook of Psychopathy, clinicians generally believe that there is neither a cure nor any effective treatment for psychopathy; there are no medications that can instill empathy, while psychopaths who undergo traditional talk therapy only become more adept at manipulating others. However, other researchers suggest that psychopaths may benefit as much as others from psychological treatment, at least in terms of effect on behavior. According to Hare, the consensus among researchers in this area is that psychopathy stems from a specific neurological disorder which is biological in origin and present from birth, although a 2008 review indicated multiple causes and variation between individuals. Hare estimates that about one percent of the population are psychopaths.
I think it is neither here nor there as to whether Casey is a psychopath. Either way she is just another Mother who murdered her child and her defense attorneys are trying to get her “off” of the charge, legally and/or sleazily. She’s just another run of the mill murderer claiming innocence in the face of so much evidence against her. Like they all do. The prosecution is doing their job, and the defense is doing theirs, in a “backwards sorta way”.
I think in laymens terms some of us call her her psychopath, narcisisit etc. whether diagnosed or not.
Whoops- Although I know your initial comment was not directed at me I thought it was safer to write to you in order to clear up important points. Thank you for your thoughtful response.
benchwarmer said, on March 24, 2011 at 12:24 am
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You have fine credentials… but…. you really didn’t have to list them here.. your knowlege was evident through your words. Fact is, you didn’t have to prove anything to anyone. You indeed know aboiut that which you write.
benchwarmer ————- you really didn’t have to provide “Whoops” or anyone with any personal information —- you are articulate and knowlegeable. That should suffice.
I’ve been enjoying and learning from the recent discussion. It’s wonderful to see the blog being used respectfully and it’s like a breath of fresh air to not have to keep weeding through the troll’s attempted distractions. I hope they stay away and let the grown-ups talk.
So glad that you posted again, Bees Knees….
Apologies, my friend as i was totally engrossed with whack-a-troll the other day and failed to acknowledge your presence here.
You too, have been a long time observer of this tragedy. Your comments are always insightful and heavily laden with common-sense and the link to Val’s was most timely.
The trolls are getting a heavy dose of reality….. these Frye hearings are exposing the members of the duhfense team for the imbeciles that they are, as the State’s Attorneys continue their due diligence brilliantly and all of the facts of this case will come in. About the only thing left for the trolls is to run to their havens and hunker down, as Baez, Mason and the much bally-hooed Sims <~not even close to what was advertised) are dragged kicking and screaming towards the middle of that hallway….
Bees-Knees-So glad to read your post. You have been so consistently over the past couple of years, a breathe of “fresh air”. A lot of hot air comes and goes and thankfully it doesn’t leave any of us huffing and puffing for long.
notrial4Casey-I believe there are folks out there who probably have zero respect for the rule of law or the rules of evidence (that we all work so hard to understand) and even less respect for all those who defend our freedoms.
I was very surprised at Ms Simm’s performance in court. Her all press welcome to the defense team made her out to be an expert in everything but the ability to realign the stars. Ms Anthony must have been taken off guard – not by the discussion of her daughter’s hair, but her attorneys inability to grasp where the banding actually was- “Are we discussing the length or the width?” I was embarrassed for her.
benchwarmer,
Sorry for my disingenuous comment to you the other day. A bit out of sorts so to speak. It is my opinion that Casey Anthony suffers from NPD. Does that make her a psychopath or would you differentiate for me the difference? And please no dissertation, I gave up on reading them years ago. Simple being better works well for me and preserves bandwidth on the blog.
Today was without a doubt the most boring an disjointed hearing I have ever witnessed. Ms Simms was so ill prepared and I am not quite sure she knows one end of a hair from the other. Jose Baez got smacked down by JP so many times, I bet he has whiplash tonight. Can’t wait for Bill S. to be interviewed by Kathi B about today’s hearing.
Today was almost unbearable wasn’t it? Baez continues to embarrass himself shamelessly. But I think we have another star witness for Caylee in Dr. Vass. The poor man deserves special recognition after the debacle today! And I don’t even know what to make of the defense’s newest motion claiming Judge Perry’s ruling to allow casey’s statements was BIASED!! What the – - – - ? Can you imagine? I’m just aching to hear Mr. Sheaffer’s analysis on today.
Malignant narcissism with psychopathy representing the high end of marcissistic severity. In a word, Casey Anthony is a very dangerous person.
Bees Knees, I can hardly watch Baez & his ineptitude, Sim’s didn’t do much better yesterday as she apparently DOESN’T understand what a Frye hearing is. tons of jokes on the internet about her fried hair! Strange! Judge P was very patient to explain it to her, wonder how KC feels with her bumbling defense team forever out lawyered, out smarted, out classed. Sim’s is a CIVIL ATTORNEY, this is a criminal case, they are apples & oranges as watched by thousands of her inability to make a point with a witness or even stay on the topic! This is like watching a runaway train with Baez as the conductor, the sad thing is, he will exit the train as soon as KC gets the Verdict!
Now Baez is unhappy with Judge P & has filed a MOTION against him. More piss & moaning & whining. WHAT AN IDIOT! Same verse same as the first, Hornsby said this Defense Team would REGRET THE DAY they had Judge S removed from the case. The Defense has the CHIEF Judge to hear this murder case now! YES Judge Strickland, the “irony is rich,” the incompetent lawyer is embarrassing to even watch, he can’t even remain on task, mistake after mistake while his client is facing the Death Penalty!
I wouldn’t be surprised if C Mason bailed, Mason hasn’t helped the case, he has to be embarrassed by the incompetence of Baez. For years Baez could have done the right thing & begged for KC a PLEA, but Baez over estimated his own intelligence, LOL, I bet Cindy & GA get it, they see exactly how unprepared Baez is. Though it is painful to watch, I am thrilled that Baez will deliver to KC the Verdict she deserves.
Thanks so much benchwarmer and others for your interesting comments about the psychopathy topic even if it may not apply to CA. Does anyone have feedback or have read Baez’s motion for a rehearing for the supress motion ? I didn’t read the judge’s ruling on denying the motion supress, or if it is published. so it was difficult to understand baez’s motion. But, it seemed to me alot of it was repeating his original motion. Miranda, in custody, 6th amendment, etc.
And, guys, if your not eastern time how are you up so late or early ?? It’s fun to read the post times ! I can only post after 5:00 p.m. unfortunately still working !!
the motion
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/27311684/detail.html
thanks a lot Kim, I’ll get to it right now !!
You are most welcome
nanshiin, I read the PDF, you are correct, it was the same ole same ole whining, repeating the first FAILED MOTION. He just rehashed everything he lost, AGAIN & filed another MOTION. Bill Sheaffer said the Defense is “grasping at straws.” I will look for the link for you, I got it off Hinky Meter, but I think the link to the PDF was at WFTV.
WHY IN THE HELL didn’t Baez UNDERSTAND this would be admitted. OUTRAGEOUS! Alll the legal analyst KNEW it would be admitted, what good is C Mason as he just sits there looking into space, seems Mason COULD HAVE explained all this to Baez.
KC has not had a Defense since Caylee’s remains were found, Baez couldn’t be so stupid to think that he would try to cast doubt on Experts of the STATE & gain any ground. I’m sure he has no idea about explaining the 31 days MURDERED, he can’t testify for KC, maybe Baez will continue his incompetence & put her on the stand.
sorry, I meant the judge’s ruling denying baez’s 1st motion to suppress….
Thanks, Art, I agree with kathi belich when she said, bill you are always right. anything he says i believe !! I am thinking in baez’s “mind” he is vigorously defending his client, but I really think he is purposely dragging his feet and wasting time. and it’s not even the trial yet !
nanshin, here is a listing of the MOTIONS at webslueth, I think the 1st MOTION to suppress in near the top of the page:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94377&page=11
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/27242160/detail.html
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/27242170/detail.html
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/27242166/detail.html
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/27242189/detail.html
Mason filed the motion against Judge Perry…Is the defense saying that they want the contempt charge? Or is Mason upset that Baez didn’t get charged with contempt so he can take over (not only in the courtroom but also in Casey’s heart)?…lol
guys, thanks for all the sites…..another question if anybody caught this, my video or computer keeps cutting out. what was baez or the jusge saying about diminished capacity does not apply ? then they went to side bar.
Doug, I think your on to something with Mason & KC, LOL!
AZLawyer said that the new MOTION filed against JUDGE P was a threat of something they might do. imo, Judge P doesn’t give a rat’s ass about Baez, Mason, or any attorney, Judge P is going by the rule of law, that’s the bottom line with him. That too is another reason he isn’t appealed, that too is why he is the CHIEF JUDGE, that too is WHY he is so COOL!
Just ANOTHER STUPID MOVE by the Defense. It’s painful to watch, embarassing. It would seem if the Defense listened to the National Media Analyst, they would realize how laughable their courtroom antics are & buckle down & try to save KC’s life.
How many do-overs does Baez’s “she really is special” little guilty client want??
Wanted a do-over with an outstanding jurist in Judge Strickland… got it.
Wanted many do-overs on Judge Strickland’s rulings…. got it.
Wanted a do-over on the time limit for all of his experts’ opinions….. got it.
Wanted a hearing on the admissability of your client’s own words…. got it.
Now wants to start back at the top of the do-over list…..by claiming that this Judge is biased, too.
~ same symptoms as exhibited by a dog chasing its tail~
I found today’s hearings painful to sit through. There’s something about Mr. Baez’s approach or persona that just irritates me to the point that I have to take a break and walk away. He just reminds me of a kid who is showing off for his classmates. His tone is condescending and insulting and he keeps hammering away trying to get the answer he wants. I’m not sure how to describe it. I think a seasoned attorney has the ability to ask a question and if they don’t get the answer they were aiming for they would ask another question and another question until they got the witness to answer in the affirmative to their point. Baez just keeps repeating the same question worded in the same way just changing his tone of voice in exasperation. I’d be exasperated if I had to respond to him. I think both Dr. Voss and the dog handler LE Officer have the patience of a saint.
Baez shoud thank Ms. Finnell for interrupting and suggesting he take a 5 minute recess. When he returned he said, “I did not intentionally enter into an agreement that I planned on rescinding” which he sure as hell was in the middle of telling the court he had done. Wow.
WFTV I’m so glad you tape and post links to the hearings but you cut the hearings off early today. This is a link to today’s hearing that includes the end discussion regarding Psychiatrist’s reports and testimony of the defendent for both the guilt phase and the penalty phase. Prety important stuff.
Part 28. Carry on to Part 29, really covers the mental health experts.
I didn’t mean to say testimony of the defendant. Obviously. I meant testimony of the Mental Heath Experts.
I have to agree-the hearings have been painful to watch. Baez gives many cring-worthy moments. Nothing like on-the-job training! I find it quite amusing that the defense asks questions over and over, never getting the answer they are hoping for. They have been on the losing end since the get-go. Nothing they do, or try to do will end up with her being found innocent.
That whiny motion? What else is new. They are like little kids who don’t get their way, cannot take no for an answer.
This trial should have been over and done with already. Guilty. Case closed.
Ms Finnel has a very tough job should Ms Anthony be convicted. I always look at her role as someone who was hired to “mitigate the HACs”. She has to convince jurors that Ms Anthony is worthy of mercy.
Valhall said in her new article: AN ASSIST FOR DR. VASS
Jose Baez spent about 8 hours yesterday painting by numbers to reveal the portrait he keeps hidden in his attic. It was no surprise to find out it is a portrait of a red-assed baboon. If anyone wants to take issue with me not having a single “break” to hand Baez, take it up with the management. The man works harder than anybody I ever seen to prove, in public, he is an ignorant, ignorant man who is so saturated in his own hubris he can’t see how ignorant he is…and apparently has not a single friend who wants to clue him in on it.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/03/25/caylee-anthony-case-an-assist-for-dr-vass/
imo, nobody does it better than Valhall, with her Science background, she shares information you can’t get anywhere else with a sharp wit.
I do think Baez HAS BEEN told, I think that is why he finds himself without LK Baden, Lyon’s, Dr. Lee, T Lenamon. WHY would they work with an attorney with barely 3 yrs. experience, then 2 years on the job training in a case where his client may well get the Death Penalty, BUT INSISTS on being the Lead Attorney. Nobody, especially the seasoned attorney’s that have dumped KC & Baez, have to be attached to the incompetence of Baez.
Hi, art art-Yup Val does a great job. Thanks for the heads up!
When the kind and thoughtful Deputy F. was on the stand the only one who needed a lead was Mr Baez.
art-tart-Val is terriific! The only one who will “take it up with management” is Ms Anthony. Can you just imagine the overwhelming “appeal” she will put forward? Wow, for the first time in her life she won’t have to make up a pack of lies.
@notrial.. I’ll bet poor little Caylee would have liked a do over.
In spite of all the vitriol, so richly deserved by Jose Baez yesterday and today, I wouldn’t be caught dead walking into a courtroom wearing an off the rack cheap ass’d Penny’s suit that looked like a burlap bag filled with squirrels. His tailor (if he had one) should be shot for impersonating a seamstress. $1000.00 suits my rear end. $149.95 on sale is more like it.
In the past (and in the comming months) we have/will talked about how Caylee decomposed and how Casey moved her about the house and yard…etc..
Go and check out Angela Manns’ conviction/plea on the killing of her son (Omaha World-Herald). She also told people she was “losing it”. Long story short…Most of the windows blackened by flies, plastic lined buckets and a small hachet by the bathtub. And inside the tub, a rotting human leg and foot protruding from plastic and black water. She was even spreading kitty litter on him and had a list of items for “Micheal cleanup”. She even went on the computer and looked up decomposition in late june, just a few days before his death. She even told people he was elsewhere with others.
Cindy, does anything sound familiar?? Sight…Smell…Flies…Lies…etc…
Cindy…How do you cleanup after a Murder? What items did you use for “Caylee’s cleanup”?? Are you glad that Casey moved/disposed of Caylee’s body outside the Home (before she got to messy)???
Come on Cindy…Tell us about it.
Since this case began, I have been torn between appreciating the Sunshine Laws of Florida because I have never been able to see the actual workings of the legal system as it prepares for a trial such as this, to disliking it because I think that with all the openess, it increases the chances of a guilty killer to get a mistrial or worse, an aquital.
As much as I can’t stop reading and watching, I would totally be in favor of a gag order if it could keep America’s most henious family from making another dime off of Caylee. Cindy’s career is this case, and she intends to make every dime she can from it.
There’s something that’s aways been in he back of my mind. The defendant had been telling her friend Amy that she was getting the house. She had Amy convinced to the point that she gave up her place of living in preparation of moving into this home and eventually became homeless. Ms.Thing had been googling household weapons, etc. Lee Anthony allegedly told Jesse Grund that the defendant and her mother had a huge fight the night of June 15th 2008 that resulted in Cindy Anthony choking the defendant. I wonder if the defendant tried to chloroform her mother in an attempt to incapacititate her and ultimately kill her. George Anthony was at work. The defendant could then incapacitate him when he returned home and then kill him as well. I believe she had planned on killing her parents and getting the house. Not realizing that her parents had NO EQUITY in their home due to their chronic mismanagement of their finances (contributed to by the defendant over the last fews years) but obviously a life long pattern of financial irresponsiblity.
Why did Cindy Anthony try to strangle her daughter unless she was protecting herself from an attack?
Is anyone else completely baffled about the extreme levels of chloroform in the trunk? And also, why this evidence is worthy of such a battle?
I never thought that casey had the intelligence or motivation to take the time and energy to whip up a batch of chloroform when there are so many already-available drugs she could buy over-the-counter that would have done the same thing. It seems out of character to me but maybe I’m wrong. What do you guys think? What scientific reason would account for such extreme levels? 10,000 times more! If the good and patient Dr. Vass addressed this yesterday I missed it.
And, if we accept that she DID manufacture the chloroform, then did she also pre-meditate the murder as some of her computer searches suggested? I believe she did pre-meditate it to some degree, if only the length of time it took to get the tape and apply it, but it could have been much longer. And I suppose if we accept that she was cooking up chloroform it could mean that Caylee’s death was accidental due to an overdose. I personally don’t believe that however. I think first of all if it was accidental she would have confessed to it by now and secondly I think that the State has a pretty clear understanding of how Caylee died and whatever it is they know caused them to ask for the Death Penalty. I doubt they would have if they felt the death was accidental. Besides, who would apply duct tape and heart sticker to their baby’s corpse if they hadn’t meant to kill them?
Actually, unless they’ve changed their minds, the last we heard from the State was that casey methodically covered Caylee’s little mouth with duct tape while she possibly looked into her killer’s eyes, so doesn’t sound like they think she was drugged first. I’m baffled about the chloroform.
Ragem Terrytsk – the same rage that instigated the murder of her very own grand baby
*rage
Sorry – I am getting used to typing with one eye available
How about this….
Casey Xanex’d Caylee and placed tape on her to “Help” her be quite and placed her in the trunk so no one would see an untended child in a car for hours upon hours. Also in the trunk was Casey’s supply of cloroform. Now the car, sitting in the Florida heat, starts to get hot and the cloroform expands popping the lid off…And the rest (for Caylee) is history.
Alternative…everything above except Duct Tape was applied after death due to Flies and/or juices.
But maybe the chloroform was never meant to be used on Caylee. How much effort would it take to sudue a 2 year old child? A small statured adult could take down a 30 lb baby with one arm. The defendant even if she still weighed 105 lbs which she doesn’t any more, still would outweigh her 30 lb baby by 85 lbs or so. Way bigger and far stronger. We’re talking about a baby here.
Wel Cindy Anthony is the ony one who knows if her daughter, the defendant, attacked her with a rag soaked in Chloroform or not.
Remember John Couey…Jessica Lunsford’s killer? He showed no emotion during his trial, doodled with crayons throughout his trial…his attorneys said he should not receive the death penalty due to mental illness and low IQ. Sound familiar especially with the “diminished capacity” comment and two new witnesses? He also knew right from wrong since he hid (or tried to ) his crime.
Yeah, I could see it happening like that, Doug. I think. The only thing I’m unsure of is this >>> If casey applied the tape to an unconscious Caylee I’m imagining that Caylee would have immediately began to struggle as soon as both airways were cut off. At that point casey would have realized she was suffocating her, not just keeping her quiet so passers-by wouldn’t hear her inside the trunk. Or, am I wrong? Would an unconscious baby just continue to “sleep” through the tape application and just peacefully not wake up?
And Baez made it very clear to George Anthony not to attend the hearings in order to help her case. Why? I’m not sure. Maybe to assist them to throw him under the bus. It suggests to me that the Defense Team are not communicating directly with the defendant’s parents and that does surprize me.
Terrytsk that’s true. The chloroform could have all been for casey’s “sexy-times” and had nothing to do with Caylee.
Here’s my theory, relating to the massive amount of chloroform: Casey taped Caylee’s mouth, so no one could hear her struggle, and drowned her in the family pool. She laid her lifeless little body down in the backyard while she gathered up the items she needed to bag her up (which is why dogs hit in the yard), then put her in the trunk. I don’t think she packaged the body up right away, hence the chloroform transferring from wet hair, clothing to carpet. I think the bagging was done away from the home, so she wouldn’t get busted.
Also, the use of cleaning solutions, by Cindy, could have added to the chemical reaction that was ongoing in the trunk of the car, as explained by this link:
http://www.anapsid.org/triclosan2.html
Just FYI, a lot of cleaners that are labeled “antibacterial” contain triclosan. The link above refers to toothpaste, but you also get chloroform if you mix dish soap, hand soap, with bleach.
Does anyone know where the ladies from BAB went?
New motion by defence DENIED
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27325185/detail.html?utm_source=manual&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=casey+updates
“but you also get chloroform if you mix dish soap, hand soap, with bleach.”
Sorry Mix, I have to correct you. Three household components of Chloroform are Chlorine Bleach, Alcohol and Acetone (nail polish remover) which is not as strong as commercial Chloroform but it will put you down quickly. Dish soap, hand soap, with bleach just makes a strong cleaning solution.
mix, I find your theory believable (taping, drowning, bagging) as well as the extreme chloroform being related to over-zealous trunk cleaners, george-marie and/or cindy, after the fact. I do feel the tape was the murder weapon.
Beast, WOO-HOO! Again, kudos to Judge Perry. I trust him. Although I always wish he’d clamp down on the defense buffoons.
“These products produce low levels of chloroform, but that adds up over time. The amount of gas formed is very low but I think the key thing is that we just don’t know what the effects are. However, manufacturers do have to list triclosan on their ingredients, so if consumers are worried the best advice is to avoid products with the chemical.”
Mix, from your link, you didn’t read far enough. This low quality chloroform is not in a high enough concentration to hardly knock someone out. It might give you a contact high but that is it. The concoction, (common household items) I quoted above certainly will and what is believed Casey allegedly found on the Internet.
CHD – http://baldaintbeautifil.blog.com/
Is the defense going to trot out it’s pet blogger to try help get another judge recused?
Thanks MB, for some reason I can’t google it.
Can click the link you posted, but can’t add it on my favorites, it just wants to add the WFTV blog.
http://www.wftv.com/news/27325233/detail.html
Judge Denies Casey Anthony Motion For New Hearing
WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer believes that only reason Casey’s lawyer would make these kind of accusations at this time is that they are trying to bounce another judge or at least delay the trial while they try.
Here’s how it could happen. Now that the judge has refused to rehear whether Casey’s statements to law enforcement and her family should be thrown out, the defense might ask the judge to recuse himself, or step down
“The defense gets a ruling they don’t like. What do they do? They attack the judge,” Sheaffer said.
Sheaffer believes they might want a new judge or delay because things aren’t going their way. The judge is demanding compliance with the rules of procedure, evidence and professional conduct.
~Well this is just absurd.
So, they attack the judge because they didn’t get their way?! Ask the same questions over and over and over coz they didn’t get answer they were hoping for.
Call witnesses liars?
Possiby look to get a judge recused coz they do not like his ruling(s) or answers to motions??? Don’t like an answer to a motion? Ask again? Still don’t like the answer? File another motion.
Thank G-d Judge Perry has a handle on his courtroom. AND thank G-d he isn’t Judge ITO, coz this whole Casey Anthony debacle is a circus. At least THIS ringmaster has it under control.
Yeah, Jose, you’re Juannie Cocrane! What an a$$.
What great comments!
The length of time this case has drug on has exhausted me! I am so sick & tired of watching the Defense play games, smirk, file ridiculous MOTIONS. LindaNewYork, thanks for that information from Bill Sheaffer, it’s my next stop to read.
I just wish ONCE, the guilty SOB would just say, I murdered my baby! I was a sorry POS & I am entitled to bella vita, my Defense Attorney is a nutjob too but he is going to try to waste the courts time & the taxpayer’s dollars because he is going to be famous! We are still trying to find someone to blame the murder of Caylee on, if we can’t find anyone else, we will just throw GA under the bus, he has always been useless to the family.
WHY at zero hour is KC NOT BEGGING FOR HER LIFE, who is the bigger idiot, Baez or KC? KC for thinking Baez is competent or Baez for thinking he is competent. For all this time, for all the money spent, for the DEFENSE to appear so desperate, to have absolutely no plausible defense, will make this trial painful to watch.
Valhall ask, “WHY wasn’t SIM’S asking Dr. Vass the questions INSTEAD of Baez?” Though her performance was embarassing also, it would seem she would be more knowledgeable about the science than Baez. But imo, here lies the problem of Baez, he is, as Valhall said, “an ignorant ignorant man.” KC will have the rest of her life to understand what a disservice Baez did her, but she willingly went along for the ride, the problem is, Baez exits the ride, KC’s nightmare is just beginning.
“WHY at zero hour is KC NOT BEGGING FOR HER LIFE, who is the bigger idiot, Baez or KC?”
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Pardon the crass, art tart, but in my opinion it’s like comparing sh*t to diarrhea. Both suck.
I think you’re right about casey’s nightmare just beginning but if she does end up with the DP baez won’t be exiting the ride anytime soon. I think it was Mr. Sheaffer who said that once you’re a lawyer attached to a DP case it NEVER goes away. Bozo’s stuck for a long, long time. Couldn’t happen to a better jerk. But you’re right ~ won’t we love it when casey finally realizes how badly baez bungled her case? She will be furious. Hee!
Just to warn everyone…..I clicked on the link for the BaB site and I got a warning that malware has infected my computer….I have top notch security on my PC so I don’t know what happened but my comp geek son is straightening it out. If this happens to anyone you should shut your computer down instantly….don’t back out or click ANYTHING.
WTF are the ladys of BABs anyway????
CHD, wftv has this blog set up so that when you click a link, it opens inside of this blog site.
if you delete the beginning of the address in your address bar, you should get a direct link.
i have had difficulties at times accessing this blog through wftv; i have better luck when i just go to http://billsheaffer.wordpress.com rather than clicking through from the casey page.
FYI, just can it.
there’s no virus’ on BAB in fact, you can even use the letter A or caps if you want.
yeah, it’s way out there.
hey to the gang here, it’s been a while.
Actually it also happened to me when I clicked on it as well.
The attorney’s for Ms. Anthony should be explaining to her and her family the evidence in this case which points directly at her, and her alone, as being guilty of murdering Caylee. Instead of them fighting an uphill battle to get her off scott-free, they should be working politely and professionally with the state attorney office to negotiate a plea bargain. Ms Anthony needs to take responsibility for her actions. Her arrogance and the arrogance of her legal team are going to land her on death row. It will be easy for a jury to convict her of first degree murder AND sentence her to death.
pipkin52, they MUST know that the evidence is overwhelming, especially the circumstantial evidence. I’ve always wondered if the great defense team has ever pointed that out to her and she just keeps saying, “No, I didn’t do it, Jose”. I don’t think an attorney can force a client or without permission, take a plea bargain. I think she is arrogent enough to think she will get away with it LOL! She will never ever admit to killing Caylee. And I further think, besides the automatic appeals if she is sentenced to death, that no attorney will touch her case if she tries to appeal her conviction if she gets LWOP. Not a one!
Yup, BAB gives you a virus. That’ll teach me. LOL! Download Malwarebytes Anti-Malware.
Yeah, Bee’s, who’s gonna want to hire a lawyer who’s client got the DP. Or LWOP. Or an attorney who is so badly talked about, who is laughed at? A prospective client will google his name and say, “No way, Jose”!!!!
LindaNewYork said, on March 27, 2011 at 8:34 am
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Oh really — ya think? Geragos has a waiting list of clients!
Yup, Hazaka…really!
Garagos had proven himself as a highly qualified attorney prior to his representation of Scott Peterson. This is Baez’s shot at making a name for himself and it’s not working out so well for him. Even as lay person with no formal law education, I have seen him messing up and if he didn’t have Judge Perry, Cheney Mason and now Anne Finnell stepping in and stopping him from his own stupidity that would result in career suicide he’d be screwed. Did he really spend 10 minutes whining to the court that he purposely entered into an agreement that he planned on rescinding.That’s one example and happens to be the most recent. Good thing for his co-counsel helping him out by suggesting he take five. Did she have to take him aside and explain it to him? He came back and said “I’ll reiterate (actually you have to say it more then once to actually reiterate something) I did not intentionally enter into an agreement that I planned on not honoring or rescinding. What kind of a lawyer who has studied law doesn’t already know that’s a big no-no? I knew it and I’ve never studied law or been involved in a legal proceeding.
I’ve been reading around on various sites today. Every so often I’m overwhelmed by how many people care about this little child who was forsaken by the ones who should have cared the most and sadly don’t. Including the Assistant State Attorneys who are actively prosecuting the case, Caylee Marie Anthony has some pretty smart caring people who are dedicated to seeing justice for her murder and to me it’s heartwarming. It takes a village to raise a child. As a society we must love and protect our children, particularly when their own family members don’t.
Everyone’s offered such great comments that it seems a near waste to add mine! I could just sit here and read and say nothing at all, and be quite content, but you are all so brilliant that I’d like your views on a few of my thoughts.
Having missed a lot of the hearings last week, I’ve been trying to catch up, and read that the defense has added two new witnesses to its list. Dr. Danzinger and Dr. Weiss who are to testify about Casey’s state of mind during the guilt phase of the trail. Am I assuming too much to think that a plea might be forthcoming?
Dr. Vaas, I believe, testified to the extremely high levels of chloroform found in the trunk of the car. Traces of chloroform were also found at the crime scene in a sport drink bottle containing a syringe, as I recall. It appears unlikely to me, then, that cleaning products would have produced the levels of chloroform found in the trunk, but were more likely the result of the decompostional event that took place in the trunk or some sort of spillage from the sport bottle, leaving behind the high levels of chloroform. Is this possible?
Could Dr. Weiss and Dr. Danzinger’s testimony center around Casey’s state of mind when (and if) she administered the chloroform to Caylee, with the intention (state of mind) of merely putting her to sleep for a time, rather than killing her, which would make it an accidental death rather than first degree murder, wouldn’t it? I don’t believe any of this happened, but couldn’t it be alleged?
Dr. Vaas said that trace evidence of marijuana was also found. As I recall Casey smoked marijuana with Tony, didn’t she?
From all that I’ve read I believe that Casey taped Caylee’s airways shut, possibly after sedating her, waited for her to die and then hid her lifeless body in the back yard for a short while, perhaps over night, then into the trunk she went. I don’t know if the pool plays into this at all, and I suspect that Casey didn’t place Casey into the bags before the day she backed the car into the garage and asked to borrow the shovel. I read something to that affect at the Hinky Meter and have to go back and reread it.
No matter how you slice and dice it though the only suspect is Casey and a plea of not guilty makes no sense at all, which leads me to conclude that the defense has little choice but to offer a plea and hope the state accepts it. It seems to me this is the only sense that can be made of Dr. Danzinger and Dr. Weiss and the matter of Casey’s state of mind.
Good to see the motions to rehear was denied. This defendant should get exactly what any other defendant gets, no less, and certainly no more. I still don’t get whay George not appearing at the hearings will help Casey. I must have missed something.
Daughter or not, how they can try to help her get away with murdering Caylee. Anyone who believes that they are not 100% sure that she is the killer is delusional. They not only know, as soon as they realized they started to interfer in the case, Cindy first, then George. I believe that Cindy sent George back to work so she could clean the car and get rid of as much evidence as she could, while giving herself time to let him get over any pangs of conscience he was experiencing. Who has not seen their grandchild for 31 days, been refused in their attempts to speak with her by the mother, then go and recover the car the mother was using only to find it was loaded with the stench of a dead body, and they calmly go on with their day as if nothing happened? A LOT happened in the hours between the recovery of the car, and the calling of the police.
Somebody brought up pesticides having chloroform as an active ingredient. I’m not sure if that’s correct or not. We do know, through Search Warrant documents, LE took pesticides from the Anthony home. Simon Birch said when the trunk was opened flies swarmed out. George Anthony said he could hear a noise that sounded like insects chomping (not the word he used but my mind’s blank). It’s not inconceivable that one of the Anthonys, either Cindy or George, sprayed the trunk with pesticides in their attempt to clean the trunk. Most likely Cindy while she was washing the pants and scrubbing the trunk before she returned to work. The defense expert in his depo said he would expect way more bugs and Jeff Ashton said, “unless someone cleaned the trunk”. Maybe someone sprayed pesticides, scrubbed and wet vacuumed the trunk prior to calling the police. If it weren’t for the fact that Simon Birch said swarms of flies flew out I’d think it was the defendant herself on one of the days she backed her car into the garage. Therefore, it makes sense it was one of her parents.
Terrytsk, I agree about the pesticides and the cleaning of the trunk. Do you also think that the decomp the dogs hit on in the yard could have been where the wet vac was emptied?
Autumn, Dianne Fanning, author of “Mommy’s Little Girl” agrees with you. She is predicting that casey will plea.
Oh! I meant to include the link with that.
http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2011/03/casey-anthony-drama-approaches-final.html
That should start a taxpayer revolt!! lol All the money dished out for a liar who now decised to fess up.. I just would love to see her admit it though, not that it would mean anything to her.
BEES KNEES, thanks for Diane Fanning Link. They was a good article, LOL, Jose & KC haven’t fooled Diane Fanning.
imo, KC doens’t have the maturity to sit through her own trial. Once she hears the STATE’s opening statement, imo, she’ll be flabbergasted how much information they have as well as the timeline of her activities. KC couldn’t sit there maturely why Ashton gave the STATE’S opinion of Caylee’s last moments on earth, how the hell is she going to sit there for weeks with her friends, family, boyfriends, professionals testify as to her behavior? Whispering “make him stop,” in court with Lyon’s petting KC’s arm was a small preview into what is to come.
STUPID again, if Baez has wasted years, money, everyone’s time, if he NOW approaches the STATE for a PLEA when this case should have never gotten this far. imo, it would be for LWOP, the days of getting a PLEA for being honest, telling them where the remains were, & doing the right thing are over.
I’d be terribly disappointed IF KC were to beg for a PLEA, Caylee deserves her days in Court, it is about Caylee, only Caylee, & the JUSTICE the STATE will give her, sadly, NOT the Justice her family demanded.
I read Ms Fanning’s article. Thank you. It sounds rational and plausible but will it happen?
If we look at cases that Dr Danzinger participated in we see that he attempts to mitigate the penalties in the appeals of two defendants. see Ray Jackson v STATE of Florida 9/24/2011. In this case he brought out the distressing fact that the defendant attempted suicide when he was eight years old. Defendant to the best of my recall did not win his appeal. The second case was Mr Kaplan v STATE of Florida (SCF 1997-see pages 24 and 28). At issue in this case is whether (defendant) was insane; had a mental infirmity, disease or defect. All persons are presumed to be sane. However, if the evidence causes you to have a reasonable doubt concerning the defendant’s sanity, than the presumption of sanity vanishes and the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is sane. Dr Danzinger offered his opinion.
The question I have since Dr Danzinger is going to participate in the guilt phase would be whether or not he will say that it was her _________________(mental disease or defect) that percipitated or aggravated her behavior. (Ungovernable or unrestrained temper is not insanity nor is it considered a crime of passion in Florida) Saying “My mother made me do it” aint gonna fly in Florida. I take it he has an opinion that would require Ms Finnel to go to “state of mind”. I got the distinct impression that she was as surprised as Ashton.
It’s clear she does not want to be warehoused for the rest of her life and in going to trial she is limiting her time in prison should the death penalty be the law in 2023 and thereafter. Sounds crazy but you never know how this weirdo thinks.
http://www.wftv.com/news/27348810/detail.html
Could Casey’s Defense Turn Focus To George?
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I’ll tell ya, if this is true Casey is more of a POS than I already think she is if that is possible. To let her defense team point the finger at her father, no matter what an a-hole he has come off as, for murdering Caylee is horrendous.
“Sheaffer says George could even go along with it, even going so far as to plead the Fifth if the defense asks him whether he killed Caylee.
Sheaffer also says Casey could testify she was abused and traumatized, and that she lied to protect ”
So, tell me you Mom’s and Dad’s out there, coz I was not able to be blessed with children: Is this unconditional love? Would you let Jose Baez and your daughter point a finger at YOU, for killing your granddaughter, just to establish some bogus reasonable doubt? Who will they point the finger at next? Lee, Cindy, Jeff Ashton, Kathi Belich?
What a bunch of BS!
LMAO, I was just reading at Hornsby’s & he said:
The depth of the defense team’s ignorance has made commenting on this case completely un-enjoyable. Because they are so inept, you can almost guaranty the State will win on every major issue.
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I can’t quit laughing, I love Richard, he gets directly to the point! At what point is KC going to understand that the party is nearly over? Then, she will go months will no visitors, no court appearances, she’ll just sit around waiting for a Court Ordered Attorney to handle her Appeal.
LindaNewYork, judypc, frankie & I have said this for months! GA is the weakest link, he always was, GA is the LEAST important to the family, he always was. imo, it won’t fly but I absolutely don’t put it past the Anthony’s or the Defense to try to blame GA. GA is pretty unstable & it is the Anthony tradition that NO ONE is willing to take ANY responsibility or tell the freakin truth, most of all KC for murdering Caylee. They will all get just what they deserve.
Yeah, Bee’s thanks for that link to Diane Fanning.
Casey pleading at the 11th hour has been kicked around for a while. Maybe more prominent now, seeing as the defense has……no defense. The only defense would be to produce the NANNY! But since there was never a Nanny…..
I for one do not want to see a plea…she deserves to go on trial and get all her Bullsshhhhhhhhhhhht on record. I want to see the the prosecution slap her silly with the evidence, all on record in the courtroom for the world to see.
HI art tart! Well maybe if George is accused of murdering Caylee he will talk?!
LNY: No, I would not. That being said, I don’t believe I would have acted so foolishly as the anthony family. I will always stand by my children, no matter what they do, but I don’t think I could lie to cover the murder of my grandchild.
I don’t think a jury would buy that lie however. Let’s not forget, that jokin jose so conveniently elicited the admission from ga UNDER OATH, that he would do ANY thing to help casey. I do believe that testimony might come back to bite them in their behinds when a jury hears it in the event that ga decides to make such a stupid sacrifice.
LindaNewYork, I am with ya, I would feel robbed if KC begged for a PLEA right before the trial. Of course, imo, the STATE wouild only agree to LWOP, Baez jammed KC up but good in the first months of the case before Caylee was found, Baez being the ineptitude POS he is, couldn’t see past the $$$$ & what he thought this case would do for him, T Lenamon, tried to explain it to Baez, but hell no, Baez’s “all or nothing approach” as Lenamon has described it may well cost KC her life.
Fanning is correct in her opinion, Baez & Mason are both acting reckless, she has those two morons pegged as most people do that follow the case closely, afterall, they won’t do the time or pay with their life, of course THEY would save themselves more embarassment if there were no trial.
LNY, BESIDES being charged for Caylee’s murder, KC is charged with other crimes, ALL carrying long prison sentences. I think there were a total of 4, NO JUDGE is going to let KC walk out of the court room because GA might lose his mind & scream “he murdered Caylee.” LOL! It would be great theater, but KC faces many yrs. in prison for the other charges. Maura at Hinky added them up one time, there was lying to LE/FBI, child neglect, I can’t remember all of them since they are less charges than she is facing, but even if the Defense tried to suggest GA did it, I feel confident that a jury would never buy into it, the STATE has closely woven the case againt KC too tightly, imo. Baez might do well in understanding REASONABLE Doubt, this again is just another hairbrain idea the Defense might try, again, not reasonable but as always, laughable & predictable.
Frankie, I agree with your thoughts. The Anthony’s found themselves in the worst possible place, a missing grand daughter & their daughter is lying to FBI/LE. The Anthony’s had a window of opportunity to stand up for Caylee, being totally honest with LE no matter where the facts lead, but they chose to lie at any cost to cover for their lying promiscious self absorbed thieving daughter. They made the worst possible choice for Caylee & themselves & have been shown the liars they are & the lengths they are willing to go to for a murderer. They have shown they have no intention to demand JUSTICE for Caylee.
IF I had found myself in the position the ANT’s were in, I would take my daughter to an attorney, encourage her to tell him everything she did & how, beg her to take responsibility, & hope that the Attorney could ask for a PLEA of sorts that maybe she wouldn’t spend her entire life behind bars or get the DP in a trial.
Gosh, did I say over a year ago that Ol Georgie was the perfect scape goat?
The States best evidence is still Casey herself.
The defense can not explain away or make excuses for her own actions, and her own statements.
The jury will not be filled with stupid people, they will need hard core facts, not some fairy tale jokin jose tosses out.
Now, the question is, will Casey & jose roll the dice and put Casey on the stand?
I was reading at WS & someone ask AZ Lawyer about GA;’s latest performance in Court:
AZLawyer responds:
The thing is, the point that Baez seemed to be making is that George would do WHATEVER BAEZ ASKED HIM TO DO–e.g., lie or ignore a subpoena–if he thought it would help Casey. So George’s answers don’t just make him look like a liar (which might have been helpful to the defense, because George’s testimony will be used by the State)–they make him look like a person who will lie ONLY FOR THE DEFENSE but certainly not for the State.
So, now, if George says, “Casey never raised her voice or her hand to Caylee, not one time,” the jury will say, “oh, well, but he admitted he would lie for his daughter, so we can disregard that.”
But if George says, “I hate to say it, but the car smelled like human decomp,” then the jury will say, “Oh my gosh, even though he’s willing to lie for his daughter, he felt compelled to tell the truth about that smell. It must have really affected him.”
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judypc, you said, we read it, we may well see it played out. Good to see you!
Art, I wanted to reach through the T.V. and slap George’s smug face, I swear if I were ever face to face with that skunk I would slap him silly.
I think most people will see through his fake concern and his well timed fake tears, he is scum always has been always will be.
My thoughts have never changed on Caylees death.
# 1 casey & cindy fight.
#2 casey storms off dragging a screaming frightened Caylee with her.
#3 Caylee in car seat screaming for CiCi.
#4 Casey pulls over knocks her out, then duct tapes Caylees mouth and nose throws her in the trunk to shut her up.
#5 she finally checks on her and finds her dead.
#6 she goes to the house was going to bury her in the back yard, but digging was to much like work, the bitch broke a nail or a sweat.
#7 she then bags her body, puts her back in the trunk and drives around until the stench is so bad she can’t stand it.
art tart and Linda, like you I don’t think it would be fair if this case ends in a plea, however I do feel very bad for the taxpayers. If only there was a way to get that original $300,000.00 back. Maddening. I agree that casey will be stunned to hear everything the State has on her. Oh, just their opening statements alone will be worth the price of admission! I hope the media does a split-screen showing Jeff Ashton laying it all out there, and at the same time showing us casey’s reaction to his every word. Do you think she’ll look up from her deranged clerical duties? Actually I wonder if Judge Perry is going to allow her to behave so ridiculously once the trial starts.
If JP allows all of the evidence we heard last week they will HAVE TO realize that casey’s Titanic has most definatley started it’s slow and certain, steady descent. I get the feeling he might throw one thing out. Out of the (1) death-banded hair, (2) the stinking trunk,(3) the heart-shaped sticker and (4) the cadaver dogs, I would guess the jury won’t hear about the sticker residue. Which would be too bad ~ not that the State needs it, they have an embarrasment of riches as it is, but just the thought of that red heart placed over Caylee’s sealed mouth says SO MUCH! I would love the jury to “see” that too. Maybe I’m wrong though and he won’t throw anything out. What do you guys think?
http://www.wftv.com/video/27349309/index.html
Oh boy is that the defense star witness Joy Wray standing on the sidewalk off of the Anthony home during George Anthony’s altercation with the protester? Then she shows up months after Caylee’s skeletal remains are found with supposed exculpatory photos and the defense team believed her. I’ll never forget the photo of Joy Wray, Andrea Lyon and the PI Mortimer Smith taken during the time frame she was providing them with the photos. You can’t make this sh!t up.
Judy! Where the heck have you been? Welcome back. Yes, you did say george marie would make a perfect scape-goat over a year ago. My prediction was broader but I remember too saying that I thought either george or cindy would be happy to sacrifice themselves for casey.
As for putting casey on the stand I’m going to guess no. I know we are talking about great stupidity here but they must know it would be fatal to let the State have a go at her. Although I would love, love, love to see it!
Anonymous, do you know if they were to go with some type of mental infirmity and she was found guilty would she be incarcerated in a mental health hospital or would she still go to prison?
Jurors won’t sit there for 8 weeks and listen to a pack of lies. No one, no matter how much they love their child is going to confess to killing a vulnerable and abused child and convince anyone that they disposed of the body in the swamp down the street. Mr Baez would have more luck implicating the Man in the Moon.
art tart, I love the quote of Hornsby’s that you used. HA HA HA!
Linda, I’ve been thinking about your question. Honestly I do not know if I would lie to save my child’s life. I might. Until I was in their (anthony’s) shoes, I just can’t say. What I CAN say though is I would NEVER lie to implicate an innocent person, and I would NEVER treat the people helping or LE with anything but respect and gratitude for everything they did. I do know that much.
Hi Bees.
I had to step back for awhile, things had gotten so augmentative, I have kept up with the case but felt I needed to take a break in order to maintain perspective for the book.
I have not even been to my own forum for some time now.
I also had to deal with my sisters illness, and her death, with so much going on I just wanted to hole up some place to myself for a bit.
Bees-I would think that if someone is found Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity that they would be housed in a secure facility for a long time. Remember way back when when Mr Lemamon was hired as the DQ attorney? Well, he wrote a 30 page report asking prosecutors to take the death penalty off the table. Although this report is not for public consumption (maybe because Ms Anthony’s hippa rights would be violated???) it was detailed enough so that someone at the Orlando Sentinel could write an article about it. Mr L. stated that Casey had mental and emotional distress after the birth of Caylee. His main argument was centereed around the fact that in his opinion Ms Anthony should not face the death penalty and that anything written in this report should not be seen as an admission of guilt. His report focused on the sentencing phase. Remember at that time he knew that Ms Anthony had a psych evaluation and he knew where it was sealed and who evaluated her (Dr Danzinger). The article was a good one-here is the link:
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-11-06/news/casey06/news/casey06_1_casey-anthony-death-penalty–anthony-case
Once Mr Baez gave him the boot Mr Lenamon went on the Nancy Grace show to talk about how wrong everyone in the media mischaracterized his leaving the Baez lawfirm.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/05/casey-anthony-terence-lenamon-blasts-tv-co
During Holy Week I am going to vow to write a short post.
Maybe I will reduce my posts even further by putting in links that are no longer available. The articles titles are: Casey Atnhony:Terence Lenamon blasts Orlando TV Coverage of his Nancy Grace Appearance. I’ll go back and look up the other really good article about the brief sent to the prosecutors-the one which prosecutors did not have to release.
Problem is Jose took mental defect off the table, he stated his client was not insane she was “Innocent”
Thanks for that information, Anonymous. I’m going to read it now.
Bill and Kathi’s interview re: Defense Looks At George seemed to initially worry a few people but it seems like they are calming down after they think it through. I’ve been reading at Val’s. The thing is if they try it, it will backfire in their faces. For sure. And if you think the jury will hate a baby-killer, how much worse ill it be when they see that she tried to blame it on her own father??? Besides that . . . ummmmmm, motive? Why would a grandfather kill his granddaughter? I’m sure if that’s the direction the defense wants to take it the State saw them coming a long time ago.
Could Casey’s Defense Turn Focus To George?
http://www.wftv.com/index.html
Here’s the link.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/05/casey-anthony-terence-lenamon-blasts-tv-coverage-of-his-nancy-grace-appearance.html
I keep hearing that the mental defect defense is pretty well unheard of in Florida. Not that long ago Judge Perry sentenced a mentally handicapped man to death. I think his IQ was 82 and the cut off was 80. I could be wrong about that. I’m sure it comes down to, does the perp understand the difference between right and wrong. The IQ tests don’t mean a thing if the perp was capable of making the decision to murder or not to murder. Different then a paranoid schizophrenic who murders because he/she is responding to voices commanding them to do so and doesn’t have the ability to make that conscious decision. There are many sick, tortured souls in this world. If they weren’t delusional they would never have murdered. Different topic and does not relate to the murder of Caylee Anthony.
Her defense team wants to add these witnesses months and months after the deadline and say the doctors will testify to state of mind. Judge Perry (LOL) said whose state of mind? He might have thought Finnell was going to say Baez. JK.
I came across this great list of many things we haven’t seen in the discovery docs released. It cheered me up.
1. Annie Downing’s entire statement
2. All the fiber evidence results
3. The botanical results
4. The geological results
5. Mark Hawkins interview
6. Clint House interview
7. Tape from shed shelves
8. Dryer sheets match?
9. Vacuum results
10. Washing machine recovered
11. Dominic Casey information
12. Casey’s early morning phone conversation with Tony
13. Deleted photos from casey’s computer
14. Animal hair results
15. Human hair match
16. Fingerprint from duct tape Q104
17. Chemical test on Caylee’s hair mass for chloroform
18. Results from pieces of trash bag at scene
19. Results of diaper match to scene
20. Cindy Anthony July 31, 2008 interview
21. Analysis of pieces of fabric from trunk
22. Skull dirt match – remains scene?
23. Photos in 3 disposable cameras
24. Weed barrier match?
25, Pavers match
26. Helen Davis interview and photos
27. Blanket from emergency kit in casey’s car
28. Eyelash in napkins analysis
29. Black plastic bag -things from casey’s car match to remains bag?
30. Confirmation on blood test from blankets, shorts, laundry bag, napkins
31. Trash box (listed in evidence)
32. Analysis of maggots
33. Turpenes in casey’s trunk analysis
34. Mallory’s deposition
35. Diary entry date June 21, 2008 or 2003?
36. Anthony’s notebooks
37. Handwriting analysis
38. George’s GJ testimony
39. Removed sheetrock
40. Luminol tests results from house
41. Computer forensics results
42. DNA results
43. Cindy’s phone convo with Tony L. the week of July 22, 2008
just to name a few…
Oops, I meant the diminished capacity not mental defect defense.
This is one time I disagree with Mr Sheaffer. Not disagree exactly because I do think it is a possible avenue the defense may be heading towards. As JudyPC said she has been saying this all along. Posters on other sites have been saying this off and on as well. We’re talking about close to three years of speculation regarding where the defense will ultimately end up. The ony thing we can be sure of is it won’t be the truth and it sure as hell won’t provide us with the big “Aha, now I understand. Casey Anthony really was the mother of the year” answers Baez was spouting amongst his other BS. I can’t see a jury falling for this. The defense might try it, but I can’t see it working. BeesKnees list above is just the tip of the iceberg. The prosecutors will present their case and unless George Anthony comes right out and says he’s the murderer it will fall flat. If George Anthony is willing to give up his life (literally he’s 60 odd years old) for his daughter and be tried and convicted then I guess the little sociopath could get off. I just hope she doesn’t really adopt that baby with the Irish accent.
Judypc said, on March 28, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Gosh, did I say over a year ago that Ol Georgie was the perfect scape goat?
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Welcome back Judy. Yes I remember you saying that. I really don’t remember what I felt about it at the time but it seems that it is where it is going (not that I believe it for a moment). I really doubt that George has the telages to foist himself on his own petard for his murderess daughter.
I am so sorry for the lose of your sister. Some words of comfort I hope will mean something to you.
Do not stand at my grave and weep.
I am not there, I do not sleep.
I am the song that will never end.
I am the love of family and friend.
I am the child who has come to rest
In the arms of the Father who knows him best.
When you see the sunset fair,
I am the scented evening air.
I am the joy of a task well done.
I am the glow of the setting sun.
Do not stand at my grave and weep.
I am not there, I do not sleep.
Do not stand at my grave and cry.
I am not there, I did not die!
Wilbur Skeels (1996)
Judypc, so very sorry for the loss of your sister.
And it IS nice to see you! I took a sorta break too, not to write a book, but just started to read instead of joining in on conversations, especially after my gravatar was stolen and used to write a stupid comment. Not that I think I was missed!! LOL!
Bees, “deranged clerical work” LOL LOL. Didn’t see that coming and choked on my coffee!!
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Great reading this morning!
Bees Knees, I so absolutely adore your ability to find something worthwhile in a comment as senseless as mine.
Thank you!
Judypc, I thank you for sharing the loss of your sister with us, as well as I regret your loss deeply. It’s been several years since my own sister passed away, and I have missed her terribly, though she, as does yours, lives on in my heart that’s filled with the hope of being with her again, forever, in Heaven. As Whoops pointed out in the poem she posted, your sister, like mine, lives on and forever. I pray your heart is comforted in knowing that this is but a temporary separation.
Terrytsk, I agree with you in disagreeing, if in part, with Mr. Schaeffer’s interview. I’d agree with everything he said but for the fact that by Casey’s own admission SHE was the last one to see Caylee. SHE admitted to dropping her off at the imaginary nanny’s apartment. I would greatly appreciate knowing how Mr. Schaeffer might tie this into his theory that George can easily be made the fall guy.
Judypc ————— very sorry for your loss.
Anonymous said, on March 28, 2011 at 9:12 pm No one, no matter how much they love their child is going to confess to killing a vulnerable and abused child and convince anyone that they disposed of the body in the swamp down the street. Mr Baez would have more luck implicating the Man in the Moon.
Agree! Does this mean we can expect George to start singing like a canary now? It also seems to me that Casey has been well advised of the defense counsel’s intent to implicate George. Perhaps she is even the author of the plot. She’s seemed extremely adverse toward him as of late. More so than ever before, and certainly more so than any jail house video suggests. In the jailhouse videos Casey seems all but spitefilled toward her father. That she appears so loathing of him now seems rather new to me. Does it seem that way to you as well? Anyone?
ArtTart, haven’t George and Cindy said that Casey has never raised her voice or struck Caylee? Have they ever mentioned how they disciplined Casey during her childhood?
I don’t recall reading anything about that, but I am so far behind everyone else. Also, if Casey has never alleged abuse before, with the exception of telling Jesse I think it was, that Lee sexually assaulted her, can she affectively bring it up now, at his late hour?
Time and time again I’ve read that narcissism can be difficult to diagnose, because the narcissist is so good at fooling even the most skilled professionals. Might we see differing opinions between the psychiatrists/psychologists from the proscecution and the defense?
Autumn, I would agree with that. When cindy took the stand a few hearings ago casey immediately shed a couple tears. They looked genuine, didn’t last long though. She composed herself quickly, but at least there was an emotional reaction. But she didn’t display any of that for george, did she?
I was a little worried last night after listening to Bill S’s interview with KB but it didn’t last long. I have too much faith in the State and LE. They have been meticulous and I firmly believe will see it reach it’s logical conclusion. No doubt they saw this coming years ago. I think IF they try it it will blow up in their faces. Once the jury knows she is guilty of killing Caylee, the realization that she was willing to blame her innocent father might be just the nudge they need to convince them the Death Penalty is completely appropriate in this case.
Judy, I’m sorry you lost your sister.
Whoops, the poem is one that I read at my brother’s funeral a few years ago. It’s beautiful.
This has been in the works for some time:
http://www.wesh.com/r/24328486/detail.html
Casey Anthony’s defense attorney, Jose Baez, acknowledged that his team is investigating his client’s father, George Anthony.
Mr. Schaeffer point out as I did over a year ago what makes George the perfect fall guy and the way in which Casey can use it to her advantage.
(1) Using George’s own statements in the beginning he places himself as one of the last people to see Caylee alive.
(2) He had access to every piece of evidence, the car, the home, he purchased the rare duct tape.
(3) He has a history of violence against others dating back years, throwing his father through a window, for example.
(4) Casey has laid the ground work for showing him as a sexual predator.
(5) He has been shown to be dishonest, he has a gambling problem thereby illustrating his weakness of character.
Casey can say he was fearful of her father, she may imply he threatened to harm other members of the family if she talked.
They could as well use the excuse that Casey had grown up in fear of her father, that he had her brainwashed.
If they do go with this defense they will be sure to lay out years of abuse at the hands of George, starting when Casey was a small child, this explains Finnels (sp) research in Ohio.
Also go back and read the Dominic Casey messages where he began laying out the ground work to place George in the cross hairs.
And as I have always held, imo Cindy will back anything Casey says, thereby at long last getting rid of George, she then can sell her story make a butt load of cash and not have George’s hands in the pot.
Judypc-I am sad to hear about your sister’s passing. I have often read your posts and always found them helpful.
Autumn-You have a wonderful post above at 7:14pm -the conversation is terrific. So many good questions. I don’t have much time today but if I get a chance to come back I will try to add something worth reading.
Bees-Thanks so much for putting in the correct link! I couldn’t find that meaty article on what was included in Mr L. brief. I’ll look later today.
Judypc-You take good care of yourself.
morning friends,
judypc, I am so sorry about your sister, I know your heart is broken, I lost my only sibling, a sister. The stages of grief move slowly, and the healing of a heart is too a long process, my thoughts & prayers are with you & your family.
Autumn, you are correct, T Lenamon too wanted to explore a mental option, but of course, the 3 yr. attorney that was forced by the Fla. Bar to wait 8 yrs. to improve his moral character before practicing law was running the show, T Lenamon left & Baez has gotten this case where it is today. Not only did Baez say that, CA has said on National TV that there was “nothing wroing with KC, that she would NEVER take/ask for a PLEA because she didn’t do it,” but CA certianly told KC’s boyfriend, “KC was a sociopath.”
The Anthony’s, Baez, & KC have gotten this case where it is, they have ALL profited from the murder of Caylee & imo, will go on yet another MEDIA Tour for profit after the Verdict comes down. M NeJames told GA/CA exactly what was up with KC & what was to come, he explained to them of “ALL the people on this planet, KC had all the answers.” The behavior is shameful, the jury will want to hear the truth from GA/CA, they will be forced to tell the truth or be charged with perjury
Also, think back to when the inmate letters where discovered, go back in your mind and recall how Casey started to react when she would be brought into court, she would not make eye contact with George, note her reactions when he was on the witness stand, the way she glared at him, the eye rolls, the head shakes.
She would acknowledge Cindy, but not George.
And, his letters to her in jail, remember how creepy they were?
How they seemed not like a father talking to a daughter, but more of a lover begging for admission back into her life.
Thank you all for your kind thoughts, Bev was my only sister, and yes the process has been often mind numbing.
Each day brings me a little closer to healing.
From that wesh link Kim posted above:
George Anthony’s attorney, Brad Conway, said mitigation evidence would involve events that lead up to Caylee’s death.
I thought that Conway resigned as the Anthony atty after some conflict about the Texas Equiisearch docs? That he would be a witness blah blah and had no choice but to ditch ‘em?
Didn’t G and C give a formal announcement to the press that the foreclosure lawyer was going to rep them?
Is Conway going to rep George alone now?
That would make sense since they have a ‘special’ (twisted) father/son bond IMO and Cindy might soon be on the sacrifice George wagon.
Kim, you are right, The Defense has admitted investigating GA in the past but Conway said it was “Normal that the family be investigated.” Conway has kept a low profile since leaving the case, the complaint wiith the Fla. Bar is not supposed to be from Conway, but he too can file one anytime he wants with the bar against Baez.
judypc layed out the DEFENSE for KC if they choose to LIE & blame GA. What would be just is if the STATE charged GA as an accomplice & obstruction. That he helped dispose of Caylee after KC murdered her. judypc is exactly correct, CA will support GA being thrown under the bus, but GA/CA need to be careful, they may face charges for participating in this ridiculous scenario as well as other rumored lies they have told & will be charged after the verdict.
The Defense too can show that GA is a known liar, they may show the Jury the perjury he commited between his STATE deposition & his Grand Jury Testimony. The STATE will debunk this scenario, imo, in closing argument. I would hope Tube socks wouldn’t allow this to happen, but at the end of the day, this whole family has no conscience, have shown over & over they will lie at any cost to PREVENT KC from taking any responsibility for murdering little Caylee.
After all these years of seeing this family get over on everyone, it makes me sick to think that they can stoop even lower. There is no way Casey would sit in a jail cell growing older if she knew anyone else had killed Caylee. She certainly would not sit there and protect her family, it is not in her nature and never has been. She is a taker and a user, not a nurturer, and certainly not a heroine.
I have always believed that the “I saw her leave on the 16th” was made up or a mistake. Whatever happened to poor Caylee happened rapidly and in a fit of anger. This whole family needs to be locked up, and I can’t believe what they are being allowed to get away with.
After all of the weird twists, turns, knots, tricks, etc. that have surfaced thus far in this case, would it really be much of a surprise if…IF… Casey says that she has sat in jail to protect her father all this time…I mean gee whiz, her lawyer even said that it will all make sense once the truth comes out. Excuse me, I have to go laugh myself silly now.
The mere fact that an experienced lawman was complicit in removing evidence [the car itself] and seeing that it was “cleaned” [tampered with] has always left me feeling very suspicious of GA. As a man of the law, he should have sprang into action the minute the trunk was opened. He knew what to do, didn’t her? That day at the impound was too soon to jump to any conclusions about what Casey did (or was it?). Any homicide detective, active, or retired, would have IMMEDIATELY had that car sealed and inspected for ANY foul play — whether he knew “his girls” were ok or not.
It is also my personal opinion that CA having a similar set of professional responsibilities should have conducted herself accordingly.
Maybe it’s not to throw George Anthony under the bus at all. Maybe it’s to prove how volatile and physically aggressive (abusive?) he is. Poor scared Casey Anthony didn’t dare tell her mean dad that she had through negligence allowed his beloved granddaughter to die. You know, that child that Casey Anthony angrily said “every one was only worried about her” even though SHE had been arrested an a f’ckin whim. Like her situation out trumped a 2 year old “missing” child. That’s all coming in.
Whatever the psychiatrists/psychologists are going to diagnose her with probably requires proof that she grew up in an abusive home. Mind you, I recall there were 5 or 6 911 calls responded to at the Anthony home. I raised my kids through teenage years and I never had the police called to my home even once. I guess it could be cranky neighbors who didn’t like parties, and I had great neighbors that I was friendly with, or maybe family violence with either the kids or the parents being the perp.
And that judge, I can’t think of his name, who was observing a hearing is a judge who refused to charge the stripper mom (I know I’m being politically incorrect with stereotyping) who fell asleep and her child and playmate drowned in her swimming pool. He said he wouldn’t open that door because it would mean every parent whose child died of an accidental death would be charged. I hope I’m remembering this correctly. I’ll research and provide a link either way.
I just read a story about Casey Anthony on the crime library site. I have to say that the past two days I have been getting all upset thinking that they are going to find a way to get this miserable pos off. After reading that, I feel 100% better. This was simply a factually written account of the entire case from the day the police first became involved in it. Jeff Hopkins, I think will have a very very strong impression on any jury. He is proof that Zanny never existed, she insisted she met her through him, she insisted he sat for his kid(s) she insisted she told him that Caylee was missing. 1st minute out of the box will be lie #1 lie #2 lie #3. I can’t wait to see Casey have to face..
Jeff Hopkins
Jesse Grund
Amy Huezinga
Tony Lazzaro
Kio Marie
Mostly I can’t wait to see her have to face Jeff Ashton and Linda Drane Burdick.
http://www.flcourts18.org/bio_eaton_sem.html
The Honorable Judge Eaton’s biography.
I can’t find where I read about his ruling when he threw out the case I cited. It was delved into when he showed up at court that day. Anyways, he is considered to be an expert on DP cases.
Classic read at THM today. A must read.
Synthetic Carpet Exposed to Residential Chemicals and Expired Volatile Anesthetic Agent- A Random Analysis of Gross Morphological Changes and Odor Emission (Junk Science)
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1102&start=50
Thanks for that link to the Hinky Meter, Whoops. Didn’t get over there today, so glad I saw your link.
That was hysterical!
As days approach to KC’s trial, facing the DP, the Defense Team is still grasping at straws! I have repeatedly expressed CONCERN that although I think KC & only KC is responsible for the murder of Caylee, the Defense still has no Defense for KC.
The ineptitude of the Defense is frieghtening, although KC is not a likeable defendant, I do believe in a zealous defense for every person on trial. Many decisions couild have been made by a more experienced attorney before the case has gotten to this point but BETTER decisions weren’t made. imo, Baez lead KC to believe she would walk away from this murder, by his lack of experience, he might have believed that, but it was ALWAYS UNTRUE, Baez just wasn’t smart enough to understand that.
Someone ask R Hornsby the question I have repeatedly ask on this blog, “WHY IS BAEZ continuing to lead this Defense with blatant ineptitude:”
Hornsby answered: “I agree that Baez should step aside for more qualified attorneys. The problem is that I too am perplexed as to why he will not do so.”
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Baez MET with CINDY & LIPPMAN last Friday in Lippman’s Office. Lippman’s statement wasn’t really sincere claiming that “George did not murder Caylee” siince in addition, he said the below statement in the same article: (NOTE: Gas Can George WAS NOT THERE!)
If you read the article closely you will read what else LIPPMAN SAID:
Lippman said, “facts aside, that the defense could still use the theory that his client killed Caylee at trial.”
“If there’s a reasonable scenario that could cater to how the circumstances then turned out later, certainly you present it, it’s absolutely necessary if you’re going to represent your client zealously,” Lippman said.
Lippman said he “met last Friday with defense attorney Jose Baez and Casey Anthony’s mother, Cindy Anthony, but he cannot say what they discussed.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/27358680/detail.html
Can these miserable grandparent’s sink any lower than, quiting their jobs & bilking every cent they can from Caylee’s murder, LIE at every turn for KC, NEVER demand JUSTICE for Caylee Marie, do National Media Tours spewing propaganda about Caylee sightings, trying to implicate anyone other than KC such as Kronk or Jesse Grund……The sad truth is, they are apparently WILLING to do anything to KEEP a murderer from the Punishment she will justly recieve from 12 juror’s, ANYTHING, including LIE some more. How terribly sad for Caylee when looking at the behavior of these Grand parent’s that claimed to have loved her. But apparently, they didn’t love her enough to be HONEST or DEMAND the Justice she deserved!
The Anthony’s are not through showing their LACK OF CONCERN for their murdered Grand daughter & AGAIN show the extent they are willing to go to LIE for a murderer, they apparently are willing to throw GA under the bus with GA’s Cooperation.
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art tart
I have to believe in my heart that a steady repitition of one FACT after the other, one lie announced after theother will show the jurors what is the only truth. Casey killed cCaylee and Cindy and George destroyed evidence misled the police lied to the media and live their own version of the good life on the back of a tiny murdered toddler. It’s blatantly obvious that they not only don’t care how they are perceived by the public as long as they win. Casey sure is some prize.
Everyone associated with this defendant has done what Mr and Mrs Anthony have done for years and years. They lie.
The whole case was predicated on telling one lie after another. Ms Anthony told a pack of lies. Mr and Mrs Anthony told lies and acted badly. Mr Baez told lies to his client and to anyone who would listen to him. Some who listened to him had occassion to write about his lies or tell them to their listeners. Every word he said was filed under “Breaking News”. Others got into the act and found out how easily it was to get 15 minutes of fame while being crowned a Media Whore. All of these unfortunate people shared one trait that Casey holds near and dear- they all misrepresent the truth.
Ms Anthony told lies as a way of getting what she wanted. The truth will give her what she deserves.
So true anonymous, one fabrication after the other by adults who you would think would be defenders for a tiny two year old. Cindys prominent emotion has always been anger. Anger at LE, anger at TES, anger at the “no life bloggers”, anger at anyone and anything that put the truth in her miserable face. No anger at the murderer, that has always made me think that Casey is holding something over their heads. Who sits there and is so concillitory and leery of asking Casey the hard questions. Who in their right minds finds anything to admire in these two cretans? I can only wonder at the depravity of anyone who supports their actions. Note I did not say supports them, I said supports their actions. Only fame seeking media whores.
guillivers travels & Anonymous, I agree with both your comments. At every opportunity the entire family could have told the truth, they chose to lie & bilk Caylee’s murder for profit. It appears that Tubesocks has manned up finally & is going to be honest. I too find it difficult to believe that LA would sit back & watch GA implicated as the murderer of Caylee. It is a miserable idea, but it is too a miserable defense, Baez has wasted years of KC’s time to have this case in a better place but due to his lack of experience, ineptitude, & arrogance, she is where she is~! But not so fast Baez, the wrath of this family is going to come down so hard on you that he will think the complaints to the Fla. Bar are nothing, who knows, the Anthony’s may file one before it’s over. Did Baez MISLEAD KC? imo, yes! Did he tell KC she could beat it if they didn’t find Caylee? imo, yes! Once Caylee was found, there was no defenese YET due to his inexperience, Baez was not competent enough to try to work a PLEA with the STATE on KC’s behalf. He continued to fly to New York, cruise w/Geraldo, do tours w/Baden & Lyon’s to bilk it for all the money & publicity he could, WONDER if Baez EVER CONSIDERED saving KC’s life?
I have no doubt that the STATE will be relentless in the facts of KC’s bella vita, the timeline so tight now they know just about everything she did at anytime during the 31 days dead, KC will be shocked! There is STILL TIME for these Grand Parent’s to be honest, to tell the truth, to decide Caylee didn’t deserve to be murdered by their lying, unemployed, 6 X’s felon daughter, but imo, they will continue to LIE until they die. The thing is, NOBODY CARES! This is about JUSTICE for CAYLEE!
The most honest thing CA ever said was on 48 hours:
“JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR KC!”
Cindy, you are so right, Caylee & KC will both receive the JUSTICE they are due.
art tart, I am without words. The truth of yours is near unbearable. If they care so little for her in death, how much less did they truly care for her in her life? I wonder. It seems to me that if they cared at all, they would still be caring for her still.
There is something so terribly wrong with these people, the Anthony’s. I wonder if any professional will ever be able to discover what that wrong is.
Autumn, I think the Anthony’s loved Caylee, but they didn’t love Caylee enough to Demand that HER KILLER be punished to the full extent of the Law. Nearly every family of a missing child or a family that has had a child murdered is screaming at the top of their lungs for JUSTICE. That is a NORMAL response, but that is not the response from the Anthony family. WHY? Because they know who the murderer is.
imo, The Anthony’s felt they had already lost Caylee, they would just try to save KC. They have done everything in their power to lie for KC, NEVER DEMANDING the killer be punished. They never will, they know exactly who murdered Caylee. There are things in the beginning they could have done to help KC take responsibility, encourage her to ask for a PLEA, demand she tell LE where Caylee’s remains were but the Anthony’s were so damn afraid of KC, afraid of making her mad, pitiful, they were so afraid of pissing KC off in those jailhouse videos it was sickening. The most digusting video imo, was when KC said, “All anybody cares about is Caylee, well I’m a Victim too & there are people that know I am a Victim.” I assume she was talking about Baez who was telling her everything she wanted to hear. Cindy’s next MEDIA TOUR, she was professing that “KC is a Victim too!” Yep! KC certainly gave her family the talking points & Cindy was more than happy to spew the bullchit on National TV. I don’t think there is anyone that sees KC as a Victim except maybe Baez agreeing with her as well as her parent’s. imo, mother’s who murder their children aren’t Victim’s, society takes care of those so diluted.
Baez is about to be on JVM with a message from KC’s parent’s. I knew the runt would be back in the MEDIA, JVM is a good format for him because she WILL NEVER challenge Baez on his lies or propaganda, she is so greatful to have him on as a guest. LOL! WHO CARES what the Anthony’s have to say, they have done enough damage to this case, luckily it has been to the defense. All that had to do was choose to be honest, they didn’t!
Gullivers Travels and Art Tart-I heard the trumpts blaring when I read your posts. I wonder if the “white noise” that Mr Shaeffer talks about is the reason why they can’t pull themselves together and present a good faith defense for Ms Anthony and let the chips fall where they may. Even if she doesn’t get convicted of Felony Murder she will spend at least 55 years in prison on the two lesser included charges. Mr Ashton and Ms Burdict want her off the streets and locked away so that she never kills again and her parents are trying to convince anyone who will listen that Casey is not a murderer. That is their right to lie all they like but once they get on the witness stand it’s not allowed. Once on the stand they will tell the truth and god willing they will get the help they need.
They have nothing to loose-their standing in the community is ruined. Their ability to reenter their respective professions is gone forever. They lost their precious grandchild because of flawed thinking: Cindy thought that once Casey had a baby that it would somehow stop her promiscuity and be an incentive for her to go to work. When she found out that Casey and Caylee were both in bed with Ricardo M. she realized that nothing would stop Casey. Casey was not only immoral but she was a child abuser. Cindy could have called Child Protective Services. She didn’t. It is rumored she confronted her. Cindy knows she didn’t cause Casey to kill Caylee. Cindy knows definitively that Casey is a murderer.
I swear you can’t make this stuff up! LOL! JVM announced she was going to have an Attorney on with a MESSAGE from the Anthony’s! LMAO! It was Lippman who mumbled & whined that people were saying GA murdered Caylee. The FACT IS, nobody is saying that GA murdered Caylee, NOBODY believes that, but it is a viable defense tactic.
JVM whined that GA had been through so much but one of her caller’s stated, “GA brought it on himself!” It was hilarious, the background was showing GA & CA ranting in their yard, LOL, GA screaming at the media, (I always thought he was pissed because they didn’t pay him) but Debra Opri, former attorney for Larry Birkhead in the Anna Nicole Smith Paternity Case & she was the Attorney for Micheal Jackson’s parent’s, she is a high priced attorney & good at what she does.
JVM stated that Baez said that they weren’t going to use that defense but Debra Opri said, “OH YES THEY ARE! WHY DO YOU THINK THEY HAVE ADDED TWO PROTESTORS to their Witness List. Of course JVM’s guest Legal Analyst is more up on the case than Jane.
You just have to laugh, seems Lippman nor GA understand that GA is going to be thrown under the bus! Debra Opri wasn’t fooled! Lippman was terrible, he mumbled & couldn’t voice anything of substance. Guess his 15 minutes of fame are over.
art tart,
I was laughing at the videos of GA and CA confronting the protesters in the yard. George with his garden hose trying to fend off the protesters. They must have low water pressure in Orlando cause I can piss a better stream than was coming out of Georgie Boy’s hose.
Art Tart,et al Casey pointed the finger of blame at ZFG and when that didn’t work she pointed the finger of blame at Jessie Grund and when that didn’t work she pointed the finger of blame at Roy K. and when that didn’t work she pointed the finger at the body snatcher. She had the good fortune to have others working on her behalf but nothing came of their lies. Ms B and Mr J were too stupid for words…and furthermore getting rid of the judge made life miserable and alienated every lawyer who didn’t lust for name recognition.
Now that they have no one to point the finkle finger of blame at Casey says, “Hey, Jose honey get the f*&^ out of here and get busy pointing the finger at my father! That incest crazy child molester. Don’t you realize that he tried to molest Caylee?!! Don’t you realize that I hired you to look after me and my interests. Have you lost sight of the fact that I don’t give a crap about who killed Caylee. Let my parents cry about that. I want my liberty! I want to be happy and for a while I was. But now that all the reasonable doubt is flying out the window I. am. getting. a. little. frustrated!! ‘You’re not helping me help myself”! I don’t want to find Mrs Right!
As she paces up and down in her cell she is heard screaming Baez you s.o.b. MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve been enjoying the discussions here so much lately! Thanks everyone for your time and your comments.,
You know I have a little granddaughter myself and over the past couple years I’ve tried as hard as I could to put myself in cindy’s shoes. What would I do if my daughter killed my granddaughter? Honestly, I have never been able to imagine it. My brain won’t let me get close enough to the idea to even consider it. It just shuts down around the part where I’m trying to imagine my daughter taking my granddaughter into bed with various lovers. I could never get beyond that part so I could never imagine what I would do in cindy’s shoes. Until last night. I don’t know if my imagination was just more fertile last night or what but I finally did get through the hot mess and convinced myself for a couple minutes that my daughter was sitting in jail for murdering my granddaughter. It was an extremely terrible feeling. All I could see in my mind’s eye was the face of my granddaughter looking at me with big tear-filled eyes and a question on her face as she silently asked, ‘Why did you let this happen, Grandma?” So . . . now I have my answer. What would I do if I was in Cindy’s shoes? I can honestly say I would open my mouth and speak for my dead granddaughter. I would not lie to save my own daughter. It’s not a very good feeling but it would be the only decision I could live with. Will cindy come to the same conclusion?
BEES KNEES, I know what you mean, it is too painful to think about what happened to Caylee happening in our own families. To think of the stress & tension in the Anthony household makes me wonder what kind of a family they really were. The stress on CA alone as the principal caretaker of Caylee & breadwinner, trying to fight KC to just mother her child & to provide for her, something KC never had any intentions of doing. Ecossie Possie commented yesterday at Hinkey that KC was a “walking DEBIT from Cindy’s checking account,” he was right. CA knew damn well that KC didn’t have a job, when GA wanted to prove it to Cindy, chasing KC in the care, CA would tell GA “leave it alone.”
For the all the denials & lies the family has told, they are about to hear the truth they have fought against, they could be part of those that told the truth, but they will continue to exactly who they are.
Anonymous,
In the very beginning my heart went out to the grandparents, that ended rapidly. I still wonder how I would have handled the situation, as Bee stated in her comment. I do know that I would never, in life or death abandon my grandchild, even if it meant that the truth could take away my daughter. I would contine to love my daughter, I would be there to help her get the help she needed, and I would fight like crazy to keep her from the death penalty. I would not try to help her get away with the murder, and I would expect her to pay for her crime. This family instead decided to make it their job, their income so to speak to use their daughters crime against her own child to gleen fame, (infamy really) fortune (they fervently hope) and La Vida Loca.
Would anyone beside me, (I already know the answer!lol) like to see Cindy locked in a room with Megan Kelly for an interview with no way out? Then bring in Kathi Belich as the closer!! These two news people are the only ones who ever had the guts to aske the hard questions of the Anthony’s.
So Craig — no live hearing video today ???
Oh well— it’s over — what about tomorrow?
Hazaka, it was short/sweet. Baez wasn’t there so the hearing went smoothly, not the normal tension/distractions that Baez usually causes with running off at the mouth off topic. IN SESSION was good today, no good words for this defense of KC nor much hope of how they are going to explain the 31 days of not reporting Caylee. Mike Iglarsh said that the Defese might want to try to say KC was afraid of ZG, but the panel didn’t agree & there are two major problems: KC ISN’T going to testify, &, there NO WAS A NANNY! There is NO escaping that for the Defense! No Job! No Nanny! No Money!
Dr. Lillian Glass, Mike Brooks, Mike Iglarsh, & Jean Casaris were analyst today. ALL the panel highly critical of the jail videos & KC consumed with herself, NOT CAYLEE! The Videos were ME! ME! ME!
Hazaka, this is a miserable case, it should have been settled, this defense should be begging for a PLEA to save KC’s life, imo. Mike Iglarsh is speaking now on IN SESSION, he is a former Fla. Prosecutor but now a Criminal Defense Attorney is saying how beautiful Caylee is & the juror’s won’t forget it. Dr. Glass is saying the that the photos of KC buying at Target, partying at FUSION, show a KC thrilled to not be burdened with her child.
Dr. Glass describes KC as a sociopath & disturbed & lists the reasons for it. The ONLY good news in this case is that Finnell seems competent for the Defense & may be able to save KC from the Death Penalty, but who knows. There will be so much damage by the evidence presented that by the time Finnell presents her case, some may have already made up their mind. They only need 7 for the Death Penalty in the Penalty Phase, that need 12 votes for a GUILTY Verdict in the Guilt Phase.
Oh, my gosh! Megan Kelly! Gullivers travels, wasn’t she THE BEST? Why can’t all reporters/journalists have that much integrity and courage (and clarity) with their questions? Who exactly is preventing that? Because she was GREAT. And yes, Kathi Belich could handle the follow-up. That is an interview no one would miss!
I actually won’t be surprised if she gets the DP.
art tart, you’re right. The difference without baez there today was glaring! Ha ha ha!!! We’d be breaking for lunch right about now if he’d been present! Instead it was over in ten minutes!
Yep Bees, I know I would pay to see it!! It’s amazing how the family attracts the unscrupulous. I do wish that the court would get a tighter grip on the new cult of citizen bloggers though. They are not trained in the field, (unless perhaps retired from it), and in my humble opinion should not be allowed to report on or interfere inthe case. I do think the woman from the HM seems to have some knowledge, and is careful to not cross lines. What I mean to see is she just tells what she saw or heard, and does not give the impression that she is an investigator, which of course she is not.
Great to not see Jose blustering about today, and kind of fun to see Cheney tryine to jolly up to Perry. Cindy doing her usual please look at me bob and weave at the end.
At this point I almost don’t care which Anthony goes to jail for this, as long as one of them do.
BEES KNEES, I read awhile back where a legal analyst had said the importance of the presentation of the case by both the STATE & the DEFENSE. The Defense is in a real mess, imo, C Mason’s good ole country boy bullchit will be insulting & out of date with juror’s, Baez is going to have to lose his smirk & arrogance & I don’t know if can since it seems to be his personality & character, Will Sim’s even be able to effectively cross examine witnesses, she was a disaster on her first attempt.
With a most dispicable defendant, who will be licking her lips, taking notes as if she is part of the Defense Team seeing herself as Perry Mason’s Della Street INSTEAD of the accused murderer, primping, screwing with her hair, & putting her hand on Jose’s thigh. GOOD GRIEF! This Defense NEEDS an intervention, WILL SOMEONE COME FORWARD PRO BONO to help these Defense Attorney’s? But nahhhhhh, even if someone offered to help them PRO BONO, Mason & Baez think they are so smart, their arrogance wouldn’t allow it. GET IT? Everybody is crazy but them & their client! LOL! LOL! I guess they will be the only one’s surprised by the Verdict.
gullivers travels, what is interesting when you said that you didn’t care WHICH ANT went to prison as long as one of them did, it reminded me of something I read last week. AZLawyer said that MORE than one person can go to jail for a murder! Risky defense for KC as there can always be unintended consequences.” You don’t have to be the actual murderer to go to jail if you were there!
It’s a shame that a defense attorney could never be jailed for aiding and abetting a murderer when they know that they did it. We have a really strange judicial system, a killer has more rights than a victim or a victims family, although in that case with this family that doesn’t pertain. The State has to go by the book, but the defense can lie, accuse fasley, declare indigence and then give one indigent person the rock star treatment, and others the shaft. No offense to you Mr. Sheaffer,, but it sure seems like something is mightly wrong here. I know that all defense attorneys aren’t like these two, but they do turn my stomach. They are nothing more than fame seeking opportunists.
Bees-Knees – This is a real conversation. Thank you art tart for your synopsis of what went on during InSession this morning. I couldn’t watch the hearing. BTW if you drive the car away from the bank robbery you are just as culpable as the one who robbed the bank. I believe rightly or wrongly that if someone says to you, “Listen, Harry knows too much. I can’t stand him and if I had my way he would be gone. Gone fast I tell you. If I had a gun I’d blow his head off.” You are reading the paper and you hear about your friends death. If the perp goes to court and is convicted he might take you down with him. There is some law grounded in “you are your brother’s keeper”.
There is also a very interesting case in Fl that involved a car that killed someone. From my faint recollection a young man was asked early one morning to borrow his room-mates car. He allowed the friend to drive his car and someone was killed. The sleeping owner of the car was imprisoned and for a very long time. If anyone knows about this case please bring it forward. The jurisdiction is Florida. That’s about all I know.
Bees and Gulliver- although I disagree with the death penalty I thought that Ms Anthony would be spared. As we meander closer to trial I agree with you both-the potential for the death penalty is no longer 50/50 in my mind but a real and potential outcome. I believe I know who this defendant is and although she isn’t someone who anyone might want to extend mercy to it was nevertheless my sincere hope that she would have the time necessary to ask for forgiveness.
There is research/opinion that indicates that menopause lessens or decreases the psychopaths’ traits. My opinion (which doesn’t mean much) could also be that their psychopathy is less progressive as a result of the desocialization that occurs as a result of incarceration. Because it is imperative to examine the brains of psychopaths it is better if they are alive and not dead. For the sake of medical science and the community at large being able to identify whether or not it is environmentally based or within the hypocampus (unlikely)* or the right or left hemispheres of the brain would be helpful in protecting society at large as well as families who have to deal with a troubled youth or mourn for those who they have harmed.
*that’s the only brain area I could think of off the top of my head. Hare speaks to this issue but I have no time to look it up. (Holy Week is not here yet so I am free to write a book!)
Whoops! is going to give me a dope slap for that “dissertation”!!!!!!!!!!! Gee Gods how the heck did I not realize how long that post was?
Gulliver-The ABA has wrestled with this question since the “beginning of time”. For some it is considered a “riddle in ambiguity” and in contradiction to the vow that everyone takes once they become either an officer of the court (lawyer) or a witness to a crime.Lots and lots is written. The Supremes have a lot to say as well.
I enjoy your informative posts, and though I think Casey Anthony DESERVES the death penalty, and that if the DP is to be dealt with fairly and evenly, her age or gender, or looks or lack of looks should have nothing to do with it, neither should class no money. I think certain crimes cry out so loudly for justice that DP is warranted. This is one such case, in my opinion. I still would be happy with LWOP, and think that had the DP not been brought into the case, the trial would be over and justice would have been served.
That last comment was directed to anonymous. Mind readers we aren’t!
This is a great BLOG if anyone wants to read what transpired this morning. Rhiatia (sp ?) does a great job of following high profile cases, we are lucky that she follows all the hearings as well in KC’s case & highlights what is coming up in the next hearing, which will be tomorrow.
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/
Although I believe in the DP, I would be satisfied with KC recieving LWOP. As time has progressed, with the jail videos being admitted as well as other evidence, the photos of Caylee’s remains will be overwhelmingly sad, the large pictures of Caylee the STATE will exhibit, some probably as large as 24 X 36″, the videos of a playful & lovable Caylee, Caylee with gread grandpa Pleasa will be terribly sad for the jury to see for 2 months. Then, add in KC’s demeanor, her inability to show emotion, to boast on a jail video that “it was the first time she had gotten mad!” Well KC, WHAT ABOUT CAYLEE’s DISAPPEARANCE? Consumed by her own needs & self absorption, I can’t imagine the Defense will be able to illicit any sympathy for KC.
I now think KC has a very good chance of getting the DP. I thought at first the Anthony’s might have some weight in the Penalty Phase begging the jury to spare her life, but apparently they will be portrayed as dispicable parent’s to KC, Finnell will drive home KC was abused, it has been seen many times before in high profile cases.
When the Menadez brother’s murdered their parent’s & Dominick Dunn said they “were asking for donations because after all, they were orphans,” I think society has grown tired of this defense. ANY ABUSE is NEVER an EXCUSE to murder a child. It won’t fly, KC may very well get the DP. It’s unfortuate that had she had a better, more qualified attorney, imo, she would be looking at a very different outcome.
The problem is ongoing, but it makes it possible for a killer, thief whatever to enter into collusion with an officer of the court to get away with what they have done. They don’t have to prove that they didn’t do it, it’s a criminals world out there anymore.
Exactly! Without too much introspection I’ve always been the typical Canadian pacifist but this case has really given me reason to spend some serious thought on the subject. Until fairly recently I didn’t think kc would get the Death Penalty but I seem to sense a shift and I now think there’s a very good chance that she will. However, Anonymous, you make a great point. It is important for science to examine the brains of psychopaths. Alive. Interesting.
At the hearing this morning did you notice when cheney and Ashton returned from the bench (@ 14:50) ~ as cheney starts to close his binder Judge Perry says, “I think that takes care of everything . . . ” and Ashton replies, “One of the things I wanted to . . . ” Did you see cheney do the big exaggerated SLUMP and S-I-G-H . . . . like BIG DEAL!!! Honestly! That clown (and his clownette) will use any imagined slight, no matter how insignificant. How PETTY can a person get? He had only begun to close his binder! Now all he had to do was stop for a second. Every word uttered is perceived as a dagger thrown at them. I’m really counting on JP to keep the defense’s melodrama out of the trial. That was ridiculous.
http://www.wftv.com/video/27383393/index.html
“Local Fool To Play Captain Save-A-Ho At Upcoming Murder Trial”
Eggy again. Ha ha ha ha ha . . . .
http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/2011/03/31/local-fool-to-play-captain-save-a-ho-at-upcoming-murder-trial/
I just read that over at eggtree. That person sure has a gift for writing, the satire is wonderful!.. One can almost picture George in the tighty whiteys!!
Trials and Tribulations is a great site for insight and a great synopsis of on-going trials. I cannot tell you how many times I sat and actually felt sorry for that repugnant defendant when I saw Baez uninformed, unprepared and as Valhall would say, just plain IGNORANT. He should never have been allowed to represent her. He knew on July 17, 2008 that she did not want to cooperate with LE. He knew she was hiding something and that something was her daughter. He was mandated to bring her to the station if he thought he could get her to tell them where the child was -if in fact she was alive. He knew the child was gone. Who takes 89K for Neglect of a Child. He put his own career goals ahead of this defendant. He hired a death qualified attorney and somehow got Ms Anthony to let him go after he convinced prosecutors to take the death penalty off the table. Okay. As Judypc said on 3/28/2011 @11:20PM Lenamon used the mental defect and once he was gone Baez took the mental defect off. Did he not think that after hundreds of people traveled to Orlando to look for this missing child that eventually if she was murdered that some searcher or local citizen would eventually find the remains? We knew early on that she never took the shovel out of the yard nor did she use it long enough to dig a grave. I better stop.
What a fool.
Anonymous said, on March 31, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Whoops! is going to give me a dope slap for that “dissertation”!!!!!!!!!!! Gee Gods how the heck did I not realize how long that post was?
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LOL Anon, no dope slap for you, I am a speed reader. Might give one to art tart just for chits and grins, but it’s all good.
Bees, “Captain Save-A-Ho”, what a hoot Eggy is.
My only complaint now is that I have to get up before 6:00 AM to watch the damn hearing. I refuse to watch it on Insession. Mike Brooks gives me a real ass ache.
Anonymous, what really pissed me off with Baez right off the bat was that Baez told Tim Miller he “could not talk to KC!” Now think about it, here is a mother of a MISSING CHILD & her attorney is telling TES they can’t get information from KC! OUTRAGEOUS! The case was clearly MISMANAGED by Baez from the very start! IF a person REALLY wanted their child found, they would COOPERATE no matter what their attorney said, IF their main concern was their child & not themself!
The behavior of Baez & KC remind me of the Kyron Horman case in which the step mother, who was the last one to have Kyron, ISN’T cooperating, bought herself an expensive & the best Criminal Defense Attorney to the tune of $ 350,000.00. Her husband wants to DIVORCE her but her attorney said she would have to declare the 5th if ask any questions pertaining to Kyron because of self incrimination! Honest people looking for children don’t NEED Criminal Defense Attorney’s to do their bidding, they just need to be honest. Has the world gone mad or is it just murderer’s of little children?
HAHAHAHA Just checked WFTV website and saw this headline:
Casey’s Attorney Calls WFTV Reporter “Stupidest”
I think Ole Cheney Mason is making himself look the “stupidest”. To lose his cool, to lose control and call someone the “stupidest” ?? I thought he was such a highly regarded attorney!???? LOL! Guess not. I LOVE that Kathi B. gets on his nerves! Now he knows how we feel. HE gets on OUR nerves.!
Man, you cannot make this stuff up. Keep at ‘em Kathi, You go girl!!!
LindaNewYork, What an idiot Mason continues to be in the press. He calls Belich “the stupidest reporter” when she ONLY ask him about his MOTION against Judge Perry HE WROTE. LMAO~! WHY didn’t he just say, “I’m really spineless, we generate MOTIONS because we don’t think Judge Perry is fair, we are whiner’s, we have no defense, thank GOD this is almost over” rather than INSULT a reporter just doing her job & questioning him on HIS MOTION, the MOTION he wrote & can’t defend, which now embarasses him. LOL! What a freak show.
Whoops-Thanks. I’m a lost cause when it comes to being brief and to the point when I write about Casey Anthony. I try not to be too emotional and when I feel my temperture rising I say, “Ms Anthony”! I just figured out what “pos” was and I like it.
I don’t know what else could go wrong in pretrial. Ya just can’t make this stuff up. Yes, I remember that bullcrap about how Tim couldn’t talk to the Casey-Baez may have been protecting his client but he wasn’t get high marks for his callous and unwarrented statements. Just simply shutting his mouth would have been the wise choice and effective advocacy (especially when she had no intention of ever telling HIM the truth). I also remember when Cindy demanded Tim look for a “live” Caylee!! In her twisted mind if everyone looked for a toddler walking in a corn field they wouldn’t be looking in culverts or swamps! A total crackpot. God help her.
Terri is Casey’s twisted sister. Both need to spend a couple of days together in the same cage.
BEES KNEES said, on March 31, 2011 at 8:21 am “I’ve been enjoying the discussions here so much lately! Thanks everyone for your time and your comments.”
I ditto that, Bees Knees, and would like to give a hearty thank you to you, too for being a member of those offering such thought provoking and intelligent comments!
As for George, heaven forbid that any of us should ever see him in tighty whities! Can you imagine? I thought the comment Whoops made at 9:10, comparing streams, was hysterical enough, but then came Eggy and I’m laughing out loud again!
Catch you all after the hearing, tomorrow, or somewhere thereabouts.
gullivers travels,
A defense attorney by law can not knowingly lie to the court, or place a witness on the stand that they know will lie.
Now, having said that, we all know it happens, but if caught they face harsh punishment for doing so.
Jokin Jose’ is walking a very fine line, he has been called to task more than once due to this case, and his end result imo will find him being placed front and center before the firing squad.
The State has I believe, had a belly full of his & Mumbles Mason’s antic’s, and are in no mood to play their silly games.
While it seems more often than not that the criminals hold all the marbles, every now and then justice eek’s out a win.
People have grown tired of the Twinkie defenses and the crooks skating away free because momma did not breast feed them, daddy spanked them, or they weren’t picked for prom queen.
I have to believe this Judge, and this well oiled prosecutor can bring home Justice for this innocent child victim whose voice will finally be heard in that court room.
Judypc good to see you once again. Great comment and so on the mark. Mason and Baez are no match for Linda DB. and Jeff A. It reminds me of the opposite of the OJ case where Marcia Clark and Chris Darden where outgunned by Johnny Cochran and company. God rest his soul, he was a masterful attorney with class and dignity. Not that I agreed with the verdict in that case but, Mason and Baez could learn a great deal about courtroom decorum from JC but then again, Mason has senile dementia and Baez is just plain stupid. How the hell did he ever pass the bar?
Hazaka said, on March 31, 2011 at 9:06 am
So Craig — no live hearing video today ???
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Hazaka, not only was there a live hearing today, there was a chat going on as well moderated by Bruce a cohort of Craig. Craig is out for the weekend and Bruce will be the host of the chat on WFTV.com if you are not familiar with that site. It starts at 9:00 AM EST on April Fools day this AM. If you are not familiar with it open two windows and you can see the chat as well as the live hearing. Maybe for once you will be informed instead of asking your insipid questions here for others to,………………………….well inform you of what you can read for yourself.
Sorry Whoops, I have to correct you.Three household components of Chloroform are Chlorine Bleach, Alcohol and Acetone (nail polish remover) which is not as strong as commercial Chloroform but it will put you down quickly. Dish soap, hand soap, with bleach just makes a strong cleaning solution.
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Whoops,
No alcohol, seriously, NO ALCOHOL lol
Sorry, this is the recipe I found with quick search.
Materials:
- Bottle of Bleach.
- Bottle of pure acetone (not nail-polish remover, you can pick up acetone at hardware stores)
- Big bag of party-ice. You really do need a lot of ice.
- Glassware, so you can see how much of the solution has turned to chloroform. You cannot see well through many other materials, plastic etc.
Method:
1. Pour bleach in glass container. Almost all the way up. Maybe use half a litre or so, but it can work in smaller sizes, its just less effective.
2. Add ice to the bleach, to cool it down to a temperature significantly cooler than room temperature. Leave it to cool for a bit.
3. Add one part Acetone for every 50 parts Bleach. Pour acetone in, replenish the ice if necessary. With time the reaction should cloud up and increase in heat.
4. Leave it for 20 minutes, just to make sure that the reaction is fully completed. Keep a close eye on it though, it may overheat. Feel the glass occasionally to make sure. Also, allow time for the reaction to settle. Time may vary with the size of reactions made.
5. After settling, there will either be a white powder at the bottom of the glassware, or a clear bubble. Pour off the remaining solution and try to leave the bubble/dust in the glass.
6. Extract pure chloroform with a separation funnel or a similar instrument..
7. If you wish to store chloroform, use a brown glass bottle only to prevent radiation making it turn to phylogeny quicker. Also, make sure the bottle is filled all the way up, because chloroform reacts with Oxygen. You can only store the chloroform for a week or so however, because it will eventually decompose.
Yeah. Now that you know this information, don’t use it on anyone from theJBMission
That means you too Anonymous!!
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Wow! I’m reading some far out theories here and I must say, I’m intrigued but I have to ask.. Does anyone know where Casey would get this chloroform? Was it Walmart or Target?
Whoops, seriously don’t try this at home.
Craig, if you think this is too risky to post, please delete it.
Whoops said, on March 31, 2011 at 11:49 pm
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Why must you be so snarky? Does it make you feel better?
Hazaka, about as good as it makes you feel when you constantly do it.
Well Whoops … I feel nothing since I don’t post “snarky” comments….but …whatever floats your boat.
Can we all agree Judge Perry Has Had “ENOUGH”!! lol.
I have been rolling today, OMG get em Judge.
Hi Whoops, Jose’ has shown today how truly inexperienced he is, he better pray he does not need any favors from the State, he has destroyed any and all trust.
This defense team will no doubt go down as a huge “DON’T” when young lawyers are in school.
Judge Perry has finally reached a point where he has had enough, I loved his statement to Jose, ” These are things that so called GOOD attorneys do”
The State nailed Cindy on her lies, and while the defense witness on forensics has made head way today against Dr Vass all I see happening is the two experts will simply cancel each other out.
JB Mission-Whoops is an intelligent, observant, informed and thoughtful poster. You go after her because of these very qualities. She tells you her opinion relative to what she has seen (observed) and what she knows to be true and factual. You know she looks at the totality of the evidence and does not get bogged down with irrelevant and inconsequential trivial matters. That is your trademark and the reason you established your blog. You are intersted in how often or how long it would take to use up a box of trash bags, logs, past occupants of 210, former maintenance men, Mr Kronk, Laura B., Tony L., Ricardo M.,the number of people with the name Gonsalez, drug lords, prostitutes, and Ms Adams credibility. You tear to shreads the moral and ethical fiber of all those who are fighting for the victim in this crime. You have called Mr Hornsby a “sychopant” and Ms Burdict a rookie. The Judge doesn’t know what he’s doing-he’s PeePee to you. You have trashed Mr Ashton to the point that an outsider wouldn’t recognize his truly brilliant mind and the deep and abiding compassion he has for this dear little victim.
You are interested in everything and everyone who had nothing whatsoever to do with the actual commission of the crime. The evidence is clear that Ms Anthony acted alone and by her own admission was the last person to see her child alive. If this was not the case why would she have Mr Baez fighting tooth and nail to convince jurors that FBI hair analysis is flawed or that decomposing chemicals are in Velveeta Cheese and somehow the only thing in her trunk was trash and cheese. Casey doesn’t want to spend the rest of her life in prison because they found trash in her trunk!
Do you honestly think jurors (like Whoops, et al) cannot infer from the evidence what more than likely was in the trunk of Ms Anthony’s car? They don’t have to believe she killed her unless and until they hear evidence that she neglected to call the person she left her with-the babysitter. Imagine someone who couldn’t produce the phone number for a person they have been communicating with for “over two years”. She had cellphone bills ranging from $300-854 a month and there is no call made to a sitter or anyone with the name of Zanny.
When you can agree about what has been proven than perhaps you can engage in an intelligent discussion. If you understood that the Chloroform will more than likely be irrelevant for cause of death than I think you will come to understand why others might put Casey to death.
theJBmission said, on April 1, 2011 at 7:02 am
Sorry Whoops, I have to correct you.Three household components of Chloroform are Chlorine Bleach, Alcohol and Acetone (nail polish remover) which is not as strong as commercial Chloroform but it will put you down quickly. Dish soap, hand soap, with bleach just makes a strong cleaning solution.
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“Whoops,
No alcohol, seriously, NO ALCOHOL lol
Sorry, this is the recipe I found with quick search. (snipped)
Whoops said, on March 25, 2011 at 4:16 pm
“but you also get chloroform if you mix dish soap, hand soap, with bleach.”
JB bolded above was a quote of Mixologist. She said that not I. My response to her was.
“Sorry Mix, I have to correct you. Three household components of Chloroform are Chlorine Bleach, Alcohol and Acetone (nail polish remover)which is not as strong as commercial Chloroform but it will put you down quickly. Dish soap, hand soap, with bleach just makes a strong cleaning solution.”
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JB you are so damned quick to jump on anyone who has a differing opinion than you. However, I posted the exact components you cited. In the first place I wasn’t addressing you and in the second place, if you will notice, the recipe I posted was Chlorine Bleach, Alcohol and Acetone (nail polish remover) as I bolded in my comment above. Apparently you have a reading comprehension problem and I certainly don’t need to be schooled by you in any form of Chemistry or Science. Matter of fact I posted the recipe and method you cited above over two years ago on a number of blogs.
I don’t come to your blog and harass you for what you believe in and I will politely ask you to not come here and harass me especially when it is unwarranted and not addressed to you personally. DEAL?
@ Anonymous said, on April 1, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Anon, thank you so much for your kind words and support. I am humbled.
Whoops- I would defend the devil himself if I thought he was unjustly harmed or offended where there was no cause.
Anonymous, you made me laugh. I haven’t read jbmission’s blatherings since some time last year as I have zero interest or time for any of her “irrelevant and inconsequential trivial matters.” Just reading your comment tells me all I need to know about what she’s saying and after today’s hearing I really need a good laugh! So thank you. Her raving can’t hold a candle to your intelligent comments. Did she really call LDB a rookie? HA HA HA HA HA HA. See? Right there, that tells me EVERYTHING I need to know about jbmission. HA HA HA!!!! No wonder she is the only commentor on her own site.
Tsk, Tsk, JBFishin’ is at it again, leaving snarky comments, as usual. She is the laughing stock of the Casey Anthony blogs and the blog is always good for a laugh. Pay no mind, Whoops. There really wasn’t any reason for that bawdy broad to address you like that when she was not even in the conversation. Just looking for attention coz nobody but her blidiots care what she has to say.
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OK, time to watch the newest courtroom debacle….
After today’s hearing I am confused and looking for answers. First of all, I’m not sure why Judge Perry makes threats. I assume he is thinking all he has to do is make the threat and the lawyers will fall in line and he won’t have to carry through on the threat. Well anyone who has children can tell you that only works once. The first time you don’t follow-through on a threat you lose credibility and by the time you’ve let three or four empty threats go by . . . . pffffft. Good luck!
And the dire financial concerns of the State of Florida begs the question, “Why isn’t the Judge moving these hearings along?” Why is the defense being allowed to ask the same questions over and over and over and keep one witness on the stand for an entire day? Why are the Frye Hearings not being used as such? And why is the defense getting every cent they continue to ask for?
Why does the appeals issue hold such fear? Does anyone believe that the appeals court won’t see exactly what is going on? I mean, somebody tell me. I’m an ignorant Canadian in these matters. I don’t know. Is there a real chance that an appeals court would overturn Judge Perry’s rulings on THIS case? If so, then I’ll eat my words. It just seems to me that this case in particular needs somebody to reign it in, get it under control. But, what the hell do I know? I hope somebody can explain some of this to me.
I was just reading this on the wftv site:
Sheaffer even saw defense attorney Cheney Mason make a vulgar gesture toward the prosecutor with his arms.
“I’ve not seen anything like this in the 33, 35 years that I’ve been practicing law,” Sheaffer said. “The judge will either stop it or bankrupt them, one of the two.”
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I am so disgusted with cheney mason I get an automatic bad taste in my mouth at just the thought of him. Just think . . . if he would have retired a year ago he might have walked away with his head in the air and a bit of dignity but instead, here we are. He’s going out crawling on his belly, a mealy-mouthed side-kick to jose baez, arguably the stupidest lawyer in the State of Florida. Easy. Maybe even America. Defending a low-classy, lying baby-killer like casey anthony. Making obscene hand gestures at his co-council in a court of law. His life is over. Ahhhhh, cheney ~ what a fool you are.
Bees-Knees-I think if someone wants to defend Ms Anthony they need to rely on the same information that those who believe she killed her child rely on. There are not “two sets of facts” only one. She understands English. She could never convince anyone she believes anything she writes. She doesn’t understand or appreciate the inherent beauty of truth.
The truth will never set Ms Anthony free but it will offer many unexpected positive consequences in the years to come for many who have been so intimately involved in this case. It might allow her parents to forgive her. It might allow Mr Baez to reflect on who he is and what kind of a lawyer he might want to become. It might also help other parents who are dealing with an out of control, immoral and violent child.
As a result of this case will there be funds available to conduct the research about why young adults kill their children either by shaking them to death or silently killing them in the comfort of their own home? Will it prompt CPS to make a Welcome Baby visit and offer assistance to young, single, unemployed mothers? Will it prompt OB-GYN docs to be on the look out for pregnant single woman who present 6 weeks prior to delivery. Pregnancy is about the health of the child-not the mother.
Why did Casey deprive Caylee of prenatal care?
BEES KNEES.
No Judge wants his rulings overturned by the appeals process.
Judge Perry did not get where he is today by making foolish mistakes that get over turned.
He has given team Casey a lot of rope in these hearings, but remember this is not the trial, these hearings are a much different animal.
I do not believe his warnings were idol threats, I could see the anger in his eyes today at one point when he was reaming jose’ a new one.
I am sure mumbles Mason did not flip the bird where the judge could see, or all hell would have broken loose.
Every one that holds a bar card should feel enraged at the antics of this defense team, their picture should be beside any references of sleazy, low life ambulance chasing, disgrace to the proud profession of Attorney at Law.
There is no place where their actions would be considered acceptable, and certainly NOT in a courtroom.
Every tax payer in the state of Florida should revolt that our money is being used to support these antics.
We should all be enraged and should not accept this kind of childish behavior, nor should we remain silent.
I understand we as citizens are not heard by the Florida Bar BUT, having said that I believe if our money is being used to pay these so called supposed lawyers, our voice should be heard.
For a “supposed” lawyer to be so disrespectful to another lawyer as to flip him off in open court is beyond a disgrace.
It speaks volumes about the lack of reverence for their profession, the sanctity of the law, shows a complete disrespect for the judge, and that room that stands for justice.
It sickens me to think these fools get to call themselves lawyers.
Wow! Mumbles really flipped off Ashton in OPEN court??? Holy crap! He’s lucky the judge nor the bailiff caught it. My bf works court security sometimes and he said something like that would get an attorney tossed right out of the court room.
We should have known that only sleaze would represent such sleaze.
I’m with you Bees Knees. It sickens me to see the defense get away with such inappropriate behavior. Judge Perry threatens but then doesn’t follow through, and worse. He includes the prosecution in the admonishments meant solely for the defense, it seems.
With the allegation of bias filed against him by the very same mumbler who pushed for the recusal of Judge Strickland, I don’t know that he has a choice but to cut the defense as much slack as he can in order to see the trial through to fruition, with as few appellate issues as possible. He knows Baez and Mason are ruthless, and I hate it that he seems forced to proceed with such caution and treat the defense with no less than kid gloves. Such behavior is so far beneath him.
I fully expect JP to file numerous complaints against the dastardly duo, Baez and Mason, when all of this is over.
If he doesn’t, I’ll be gravely disappointed.
I think Baez is the stupidest lawyer in the world.
LindaNewYork said, on April 2, 2011 at 7:38 am ——–
so you should feel good since y’all want Casey to “go down”!
It was Bill Sheaffer who said he saw cheney yesterday. And besides the obscene gesture did you see the old fart with his umbrella being a real pig to Kathi Belich? I hate him even more than I hate baez, and that is really quite a lot. I like Judge Perry, too but that doesn’t mean I can’t be critical of some of his decisions and I am very critical about his empty threats and treating the defense with kid gloves. I understand about the appeals but I’m still not convinced that an appeals court would be blind to everything the defense has done to date. It seems to me if that was the case then every single case ever heard would be appealled. Does anyone believe that baez could actually have THIS PARTICULAR case retried? Is there or is there not a finincial emergency right now in the State of Florida? Everyone I’ve read on this case says this letting the defense spend an ENTIRE DAY on ONE WITNESS when much of it isn’t even Frye related!!! does not seem like a financially-astute decision. In MY opinion. Maybe the Judge will clamp down on the defense come trial time and maybe he won’t. Nobody knows for sure yet but after yesterday, for the first time, I can see him applying that appealate logic to the entire trial and I predict a TRIAL BY AMBUSH. I will eat my foot if I am wrong. I really hope I AM.
Hazaka said, on April 2, 2011 at 9:08 am LindaNewYork said, on April 2, 2011 at 7:38 am ——–
so you should feel good since y’all want Casey to “go down”!
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Hazaka, I personally will be delighted when KC goes down for MURDERING HER CHILD! What a POS, she deserves to go where the likes of Susan Smith, Diane Downs, & Scott Peterson are, NOBODY CARES where murderer’s go after their convicted.
This case has drug on longer than Caylee was in this world. The STATE is the voice For Caylee Marie, not these miserable grand parent’s who continue to lie, CA lied just yesterday on the stand, & every lie out of KC’s mouth has been a lie.
KC is going down because she CHOSE to murder her child & did everything in her power to prevent Caylee from being found, the grandparent’s will come off in the Trial as the people they are, lying, disrespectul, & arrogant, Judge P imo, isn’t going to tolerate them for a minute & they will appear less than sympathetic to any jury. They will appear to be the angry Grand Parent’s they are, NOT ANGRY with the murderer, but to the STATE who is seeking the JUSTICE Caylee deserves inspite of their efforts.
I can’t wait for the Verdict to come down for Caylee Marie, I can’t wait for KC to go away & hopefully the Anthony’s to go away also, NO BODY cares what they lie about anymore.
art tart said, on April 2, 2011 at 10:15 am —– okay — that’s what is great about blogs — each and vent and voice opinions — thoroughly think that.
sorry — meant “each CAN vent and……”
Hazaka, you don’t voice opinions, you continue to ask questions at this late date with the trial approaching.
Hazaka said:
so you should feel good since y’all want Casey to “go down”!
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Is this a question? Or opinion? What exactly do you think KC deserves when the Verdict comes down Hazaka? Should she have had a competent attorney? What exactly do you think the punishment should be for a 6 X’s felon, pathological liar, self absorbed POS, & a baby murderer? JUSTICE will be delivered & those that have followed the case closely will understand exactly what KC will get & more importantly, they will understand that she will get exactly the verdict she deserves.
Art —— would you believe me…… I honestly do not know — what I DO know is not alll of the relevant facts are available …. I truly believe there is so much yet to come……
Hazaka, do you at least want JUSTICE for Caylee? Do you realize that the Anthony’s HAVE NEVER DEMANDED the real murderer of Caylee be found? NEVER demanded JUSTICE for Caylee. NEVER DEMANDED the truth from KC who M NeJames told them HAD ALL THE FACTS as to what happened to Caylee before he quit.
While you may claim you do not know, CA/GA even know who the murderer is, they just don’t want the murderer to be punished, they would rather KC NOT take any responsiibilty for murdering the grand daughter they profess to love, but allow KC to escape any consequences for her action as THEY NEVER made KC accept any consequences, why should the murder of Caylee be any different in their mind. What are you going to think when the Defense & their POS daughter throw GA under the bus during the penalty phase? When they accuse GA of physical & sexual abuse? Provide protestor’s to testify as to GA’s rage & rants?
The beauty of the Trial will be Hazaka, for those that don’t know such as yourself, you will. The STATE will explain & connect the dots in Caylee’s story & Baez will continue to be reprimanded by Judge P for ineffectively & incorrectly asking questions of witnesses because of his lack of experience.
Of course I want justice for Caylee —I have two precious granddaughters and could never imagine such horror ..,… and if I might say, I STILL want justice for JonBene Ramsey —-
Does anyone here have the link to a video and a time stamp when Mason allegedly gave Ashton the Italian one arm “salute”? I would like to see it. I see that “Bees” said Bill Sheaffer saw it. Is there an interview with Bill where he commented about it and would someone provide a link to it please? I thought I watched it all yesterday but I may have been caught up in chat and missed it and my computer shut down twice yesterday for some unknown reason and I had to reboot. I am not the only one this happened to as there were some in chat who complained about their computers freezing up during the hearing. IMO, the Insession/TruTv is totally biased toward the defense and plays games with the cameras. They give way more attention to the defense than the prosecution.
I had Insession/TruTV on in the background yesterday although it is three hours behind where I live, I can tell you that IMO Vinnie Politan and Mike Brooks are no better than Nancy Grace and Jane Valez Mitchel in their coverage. Their bias is blatant and as transparent as brand new glass.
And speaking of glass, Dr. Lillian Glass Phd, imo is no one to talk about anyone’s personal choices of clothing or their weight. She is no damn fashion plate herself and is short fat and dumpy in person. She needs to update the picture on her blog. She can have all the PHD’s in the world but she only has an opinion and it totally biased against Casey (not that I don’t disagree) but as a body language expert, she suks.
Now with respect to Jeff Ashton, it is my considered opinion that he was off his game before lunch yesterday and let his emotions and frustration with Baez get the best of him. I don’t for a minute believe that Judge Perry’s admonishment was meant only for the defense. Thankfully Ashton pulled it together after lunch and was back on top of his game.
There is no question in my mind that Baez’ intention was to piss off JA and try to get him a sanction after all, Baez was being schooled by JP and Mason took it personally since he is the Senior asshat on the team.
Ah, one more thing, even though the State of Florida is strapped financially, I believe that the trial will go forward on May 9. They have too much invested and the defendant deserves her right to a trial. With what is going on with the economy in this country, it isn’t going to get less expensive to try her now than later. “Git er done” Judge P you can find the dinero. Maybe the JAC can loan Florida enough to cover it.
Now I have vented my spleen you are all welcome to agree or disagree. I have broad shoulders and thick skin.
Hazaka said, on April 2, 2011 at 11:26 am
“and if I might say, I STILL want justice for JonBene Ramsey —-”
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For once on this we can agree Hazaka. I have and will always believe that Patsy Ramsey went to an early grave because of her involvement in the death of JonBene’t.
http://www.death2ur.com/JonBenetRamsey.jpg
—and whoops … back at ya re: Glass — here’s your comment with which I agree ….and ….. her Phd is not in psychology……..
Hey everyone,
agreed about Dr.Glass, whoops and Hazaka…..i have a basic understanding of her interpretations but it obvious that Casey’s demeanor is is anything but that of an innocent mother of a once missing 34 month old that was eventually found dead…
Dr. Glass is only pointing out the obvious and some cheer her on because her observations validate what they also see.
i do not need to look deeply into this mystery to see that there is aboslutely zero evidence from witnesses testimony, expert testimony, fornsics or Casey’s own words that implies in any way that Casey is not guilty because she is.
That is also why i do not engage trolls to discuss the rabbit holes that they drag around without insisting that all of the evidence be viewed with the same skepticism.. starting with Casey, as any reasonably minded person inquiring into the well-being of a 31 day old ‘kidnapping” would start with questioning the mother and go from there….
So what does Dr. Glass have a PhD in? I assumed it was some form of an advanced psychology degree with a specialty in body language. Maybe she did her dissertation on body language? She has been vetted by the media networks who use her as a consultant on body language issues. I agree she spends too much time talking about physical appearance and clothing choices, the important ones like who’s not wearing a supportive bra LOL, yet maybe how you choose to present yourself to the engaged public falls under the realm of body language. I might just research body language experts to see if her input is typical to her area of expertise or not.
nt4c – I agree – there is no mystery here. Casey did it. Period
There are no conspiracies, no secret money men, no high powered baby daddy
It is what it is – no more or less
I should add to my comment, I always assumed body language meant “reading” peoples reactions and behaviors like if they suddenly stutter when asked a question or blush or pale or blink or swallow or take deep breathes, etc. If their mouth is turned downwards or they are smiling and appear happy or sad or anxious. But, maybe how we present ourselves to the world as far as our dress goes is a form of body language too.
“Dr. Lillian Glass is one of the world’s most well-respected and foremost authorities in the field of communication. She has a Ph.D. in Communication Disorders from the University of Minnesota and a Masters degree from the University of Michigan. She completed a post-doctoral fellowship in medical genetics at UCLA School of Medicine.”
From http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/bloggers/lillian-glass-phd
In spite of Dr. Glasses inability to use spell check or to proof read her articles, it is obvious she is very intelligent and well-educated person whose opinions are respected. I guess since she is in show biz she chooses her topics and writes her articles accordingly.
Wow thanks for understanding my post as i butchered it between phone calls with my poker buds….scraping up a last minute tourney of No Limit Texas Hold ‘Em on my first day off in 12 days…gona be fun!
Everyone is invited… just bring your buy-in money but be advised this group that i play with are astute students of this simple little game and employ the same “reading” techniques that we are currently discusisng, very effectively.
Different arena…. but i trust my reads and have profited from them.
The duhfense team can have Casey file papers and take notes throughout the trial but her reactions and more importantly non-reactions to certain testimony speaks volumes to me….
In other words Terrytsk, she is nothing more than a well educated gossip columnist and book writer. Some people are so well educated that they leave their common sense at the door. IMO no self respecting professional she claims to be, would write that drivel about Casey Anthony, (why is Casey so important to her?) without grammar and spell checking their work. Yea, I know she has “people” to do that for her. Sadly, on her blog she doesn’t use them. To me it lends to her credibility. And for heaven’s sake don’t ever challenge her on her blog as it doesn’t see the light of day. I have, and none have ever been posted, My sheepskins on the wall don’t mean diddly squat if I didn’t have a command of the English language.
Like some here….. i do not care what Casey is wearing or how she fixes her hair or how much weight she has gained or lost…
i do not care that Cindy is bra-less…… but i did find their choice of tats to ‘commerate’ Caylee to be oddly reminiscent of Casey’s unexplainable choice to get “Bella Vita’ some 2 weeks into the supposed kidnapping of Caylee…
My ‘read’ on that situation is that it lends credence to these parents doing anything to cover for Casey….. even mimicking her unexplainable behavior.
Hazaka, I too want Justice for JonBenet. Aprodite Jones (sp?) has a new series which airs on Friday Nights & last night it was on JonBenet’s Case. I fell asleep before it came on but I hope to catch a re-broad cast. All of her shows are new & I wondered if she had more to report in her show.
Dr. Lillian Glass was on Vinnie Poulatan last week & called “KC a sociopath” & gave the reasons why. Although I don’t follow Dr. Glass, if she is interviewed, I always enjoy her contributions & thoughts on cases.
notrial4casey – I agree with your thouights. Had the parent’s, GA/CA & Baez NOT created so much drama in this case, it would just be another sad case of where a mother murdered her child. Several legal analyst have said had it not been for the Anthony’s & their drama & Baez pushing the interviews, the case would not be sensational. The lies & the families behavior drove the drama. Though the Anthony’s claimed to be distraught, they never missed an opportunity to do the bidding for the Defense on National TV, Interview after Interview for profit.
Hornsby shared a link about Judge Perry that was interesting. Judge P, the only Chief Judge to be elected 9 times.
http://www.orlandomagazine.com/Orlando-Magazine/April-2011/Order-in-His-Court/
art tart said;
“notrial4casey – I agree with your thouights. Had the parent’s, GA/CA & Baez NOT created so much drama in this case, it would just be another sad case of where a mother murdered her child. Several legal analyst have said had it not been for the Anthony’s & their drama & Baez pushing the interviews, the case would not be sensational. The lies & the families behavior drove the drama. Though the Anthony’s claimed to be distraught, they never missed an opportunity to do the bidding for the Defense on National TV, Interview after Interview for profit.”
WHOLE-HEARTEDLY AGREE!
The A’s self-serving denial furthered by greedily profitting from their lies about the murder of Caylee only added to my ?wtf? is wrong with these people?
The speculation that they fueled did nothing to distract from the fact that Casey killed Caylee…. as a matter of fact, i believe that as each mis-truth and lie that they spouted was vetted it only furthered the notion that Casey and Casey alone is to blame.
oh,forgot…
Thanks for the link, art tart…..
The allegation that Mason made about JP being biased in his rulings only futher diminished the real Cheney mason, as his lack of credibility was established by his early interviews with wkmg….
Blink on Crime did an article about it….
JP will continue to rule based on current law and the legal merits of the arguments before him….. and mason will continue to pout and spout temper tantrums because nobody is buying his role in the circus as sideshow billy-bob, and he knows it.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/14/cayleecasey-anthony-case-cheney-mason-predicted-caseys-conviction-after-caylee-was-recovered/
forgot to include the link…… courtesy of Blink, a great contributor on the path to Justice for Little Caylee and others like her….
notrial4casey, it’s ironic that the drama the Anthony’s created was meant to be a distraction from KC as the murderer, their efforts have backfired. They are public spectacles of their own making, NO ONE would blame the Anthony’s for loving their daughter unconditionally, but it was the incessant lies told on KC’s behalf, CA’s constant interference.
Now the day of reckoning is nearly here, the Anthony’s will be charged with perjury if they CHOOSE to lie, they will be challenged by the STATE on every exaggeration or lie they tell, Cindy’s new found memory over the drier sheets she put in the car she suddenly remembered this week but WHO THE HELL PUT A DRYER SHEET in the bag with Caylee? Cindy or KC? OH the lies Cindy will tell. The Anthony’s are not credible, they will NOT be able to run off at the mouth, Cindy nor GA will get to claim it was traumatic because it wasn’t too traumatic to keep them from interviewing & profitng from the beginning.
THe Anthony’s are going to be thrown under the bus during the penalty phase. Cindy will be portrayed as crazy, screaming, & trying to control KC, GA will be shown as abusive, ranting, & screaming bully, & that’s just for opener’s. For all the lies told by these grandparent’s, they will be repaid in spades by their self absorbed daughter.
“had it not been for the Anthony’s & their drama & Baez pushing the interviews, the case would not be sensational. The lies & the families behavior drove the drama. Though the Anthony’s claimed to be distraught, they never missed an opportunity to do the bidding for the Defense on National TV, Interview after Interview for profit.”
This is it in a nutshell. Caylee was unarguably a beautiful child but no more important then any of the other children whose life was snuffed out by their mothers and receive barely any, if any, media attention at all. The defendant is/was not a celebrity. Her claim to fame is being accused of murdering her beautiful innocent child. Other then strutting around when she was out on bail, she hasn’t had anything to do with the press. She had her mouthpieces, George, Cindy, Lee and her unesteemed attorney Baez, doing it for her. What these people have done is so very sad and disrespecful to the memory of this little child. They are a disgrace.
I find it rather sicking that the only time the Anthony’s are “distraught” is when they are pressed on their lies, or panning for the camera, they pull out the ” That was an emotional time” on cue when they are backed against the wall with their lies.
George is a fake as a rubber dollar with his puckered lip and pouty face he makes me want to puke.
What I find sad, when the trial starts there will be no one setting in the family seats for the victim.
And I have to also wonder, if in the Anthony’s little perfect world where Casey walks free,have they even thought about how on earth they will ever be able to look at her again without seeing the monster they raised?
Judypc, compliments of blinkoncrime. This capture of George leaves me cold. He is without a doubt the biggest drama “Queen” I have ever seen. It is about as real as Casey poking her finger in her eye to create a tear. George and Cindy Anthony have parlayed their plight in the media to engender sympathy for themselves not to a conscience endeavor to save Casey. Where the hell are their tears and crying faces for Caylee. At the memorial it was all about Casey and why?
In my opinion it is to take away from their lack of control of a child who from the beginning of her miserable life to control her parents. Casey played George against Cindy and had the chutzpah to pull it off. Casey is not stupid. She knew from the beginning that to play mom against dad that she could get what she wanted. I believe that Cindy was living vicariously through Casey and wishes she could have been as alluring as Casey and was so jealous of Casey and her so called beauty that she thought she missed out on her youth by having Lee and Casey at a young age and she missed out herself, dancing on the pole (heaven forbid the visual of that).
Now all of sudden they have found Jesus and espouse being “Born Again”. What a load of crap. When you are born again, you tell the truth no matter how it hurts. Cindy A. yesterday did no such thing. She continued to lie and obfuscate. So much for being “Born Again”. Hypocrisy at its finest. I have no problem with “Born Again Christians” but these two remind me of Jimmy and Tammy Faye Baker. Maybe that will be their gig after the trial.
http://blinkoncrime.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/George_20ON_20Stand_203311_small.jpg
For all who care:
” Glass received a Bachelor of Science degree from Bradley University in Speech and Hearing Sciences and a Master of Science degree from the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, where she became interested in gender differences in communication and in the study of cranial and dental- facial abnormalities
At the age of 24, she received her PhD from the University of Minnesota in in Speech and Hearing Sciences – Communication Disorders and minored in Clinical Genetics. Her research was later published in professional journals Her PhD dissertation was on psychosocial perceptions of speech and cosmetic appearance of patients with craniofacial abnormalities, She received a post doctorate in Medical Genetics at UCLA School of Medicine where she received a National Institutes of Health Grant and did research on speech and hearing problems of patients with a variety of genetic diseases, including those with neurological and skeletal problems.Dr.Glass published her research in various professional journals including the New England Journal of Medicine where she discovered that there were distinct voice patterns in patients with neurofibromatosis.[30] She also discovered a genetic syndrome involving deafness and a dental abnormality which is now called The Glass- Gorlin Syndrome (oligondtia and sensorineural deafness …”
We do not know how old Dr Glass is but we do know that by the age of 24 she had received her B.A., B.S., and her first PhD. She has two PhDs but I do not know when she received the second. The first is in Communication Disorders (dissertation title is on her website) and the second is in Counseling Psychology. She has authored over a dozen books and been engaged in private practice in Beverly Hills, CA and NYC. Her clients have included celebrities, politicians, and world leaders. She has lectured worldwide.
line 1: correction (she did not receive a B.S) should read:
“B.A. M.S. and her first PhD…”
Hazaka said, on April 2, 2011 at 9:08 am LindaNewYork said, on April 2, 2011 at 7:38 am ——–
so you should feel good since y’all want Casey to “go down”!
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Hazaka, I was just stating my opinion that Jose is the stupidest lawyer in the world.
a little play on words a la Cheney Mason.
And I do feel “good” when a murderer “goes down”. Any murderer. And will especially feel good when Casey goes down because she killed her little girl and she has the audacity, the utter gall, to insist she did not do it, just like all the other women and men who murder, with so much evidence against her.
LindaNewYork-It’s often times the incongruous and odd things that people say that are so baffling. You avoid ambiguity whereas others find solace in it. Hazaka doesn’t argue whether or not Ms Anthony is guilty only that others believe she is.
To understand murderers, especially Ms Anthony, we have to rely on their own words to understand why so many believe in her guilt. The evidence is overwhelming and much of it is dependent on looking at what she says and her ability to communicate-not only her guilt but her lack of anxiety and concern. Ms Anthony “unwittingly” is our guide on the journey to seek justice for Caylee.
The morning after Ms anthony was interviewed by Yuri M. and John A. she sent all her cellphone contacts the following text message:
“Caylee is missing. She has been for 32 days. Please, if you have any information, call me on my cell at home.”
Yo —- wish don’t all refernce me ——
We certainly don
‘t quote you.
Hazaka-Serious minded posters reference the facts and 99% of the time they rely on a primary source or published discovery. Let’s take a look at some of the statements Mr Baez made during the early days of the investigation: July 23, 2008-first time he and Ms Anthony enter courtroom together. In response to 500K Bond Mr Baez said the following,
“This is not a capital case, and if it were they certainly would file it, if they had evidence to. There is circumstantial evidence of a possible homicide, I will give them that. But circumstantial evidence has not made them confident enough to charge her with any specific homicide or kidnapping or any capital offense.”
August 27, 2008 Just Confirmed: Air Sample tests from Casey Anthony’s car show decomposing body was in trunk. “officials have offered Anthony a pretrial immunity deal if she admits 3-year-old Caylee Marie died as a result of an accident. Investigators with the OCSO are at defense attorney Jose Baez’s Kissimmee law office. Anthony left Baez’s office after 3PM, shortly after investigators arrived.
October 14, 2008-Indictment for Felony Murder in the First Degree (DP)
November 6, 2008 Casey Anthony’s Defense Team Puts Out Shocking Revelation
“In a 30 page document sent to prosecutors, her lawyers argue that if Caylee is dead, it was almost a tragic accident. The documents state Caylee could’ve been poisoned by chloroform or she could have died while she was sedated. Their bottom line: The cause of death may have been an unwitting overdose of a sedative.”
Dec 11, 2009
When “y’all” are pulling your hair out wonderin’ why Dr G said that Caylee was a homicide victim remember that 5 weeks prior to Mr Kronk’s discovery, Mr Baez was willing to put forth a cause of death after Mr Lenamon convinced the DA to take the death penalty off the table.
All bets were off pending the results of evidence found at the crime scene. Death Penalty (April 2009) HACs were applied.
Very intesting article in the Orlando Sentenil about Baez & the Media. B Sheaffer was intervbiewed & said that “the DEFENSE floated every theory accusing anyone else, that the Defense has used the media, calling news conferences.” Brad Conway said that Baez “should have never made claims that KC was innocent on National TV. Now they are boxed in.” The article says that the MORE evidence that was released, the relatinoship Baez had with the MEDIA soured. Sheaffer also said “Baez has been preoccupied with the MEDIA.” imo, this is such a miserable case, Baez really thought he was going places with this case, but what has been shown is that he is unable to even follow Court Room Protocal, ALL of the competent attorney’s have left the case except for Finnell who seems to be professional & know what she doing. imo, Baez’s relatinoship soured with the media WHEN the MEDIA reported how inept he was, but ALL anyone had to do was watch the hearings. Baez has made a tremendous mess out of this trial, I bet Ashton/Burdick are laughing their butt’s off at the Defense. Ashton mentioned in a past MOTION that what was expressed in a MOTION by the DEFENSE isn’t always true when you get down to it. We have seen boast after boast from this DEFENSE, WHY won’t they learn they should have kept their mouth’s closed.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-casey-anthony-trial-baez-leaks-20110403,0,2583664,full.story
“Why do people kill people, who kill people, to show people that to kill people – is bad.”
Remember that? We’ve all received so much information and so many images that many are they that have become displaced, such as this one of the little girl in the forefront looking back, over her shoulder, at a small lifeless teddy bear hanging by its neck. The image, created on 7/08/08 can be found on page 7 of the following document.
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/casey_anthony_computer_report.pdf
It’s obvious to me that at the time of Casey’s saving this image to file she was concerned about something. Might that something have been getting caught and having to pay with her life? I believe it was.
On 7/11/08 she saved this little tidbit to file. It is presented on the same link as shown above.
“You can spend minutes, hours, days, weeks or even months over-analyzing a situation;
trying to put the pieces together, JUSTIFYING what could’ve, would’ve happened
…or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the F—k on.”
It’s been alleged that on July 7, 2008, Casey posted this message on her My Space page, which has long since been deleted:
Diary of Days
“On the worst of days, remember the words spoken
Trust no one, only yourself.
With great power, comes great consequence.
What is given can be taken away.
Everyone lies.
Everyone dies.”
Add to all of that all of the computer searches for such things as chloroform and neck breaking through to the 31 days unreported and it just seems to me that no one has implicated Casey as well as she, through her near every word spoken and near every move made, implicated herself in the murder of her little girl, and Baez is no less than an ASS for all of his attempts to implicate innocents, not for the sake of his sleaze squeeze Casey, but in order to make a name for himself! He’s as self-serving as she is! Two peas in a pod, both in it for the benefit of none but themselves. Cheney makes complete this three ringed circus.
RAW VIDEO: Casey Anthony Evidence Hearing Pt. 4 (04/01/11)
Prior to viewing the above video, please enlarge to full screen and watch closely, paying particular attention at the 12-15 second mark. There is nothing professional, nothing ethical, nothing respectful about this fame seeking man and his sick and twisted client who has certainly JUSTIFIED in her own mind that which she has done.
It always been most obvious that Casey cared nothing for Caylee. To Casey, in my opinion, Caylee was little more than a meal ticket; the means through which she was guaranteed free room and board. Once she found Tony, she didn’t need Caylee anymore. For all we know she may have been as envious of the relationship developing between Caylee and Tony as was between Jesse and Caylee, Cindy and Caylee, George and Caylee. Anyone and Caylee.
I don’t understand how it is at all possible for anyone to yet believe that Casey might be innocent, and that Baez is doing a good job. Were he doing a good job, he’d have dealt with the state, back in 2008, and we wouldn’t be where we are now. More importantly, Caylee wouldn’t be where she is now. Without justice.
art tart, I’m with you. I will literally DANCE on the day that casey “goes down.” I’m going to plant a butterfly garden on that day, for Caylee. It will be a good day for the world to be rid of one more wasted bit of sociopath flesh and it will mean she will never again be able to take another life. It will be a great day indeed and I cannot wait.
As far as the people who still don’t “know” what happened to Caylee, learning about it at trial, I disagree. We all know what happened right now. The few people who say they don’t are not being honest. No doubt there will be evidence new to us at trial but we already have more than enough. I predict the people who are now questioning casey’s guilt will still be doing so after she’s been found guilty. It’s just what they do. They aren’t doing it because they really believe she might be innocent. They just like to stir the shit. It’s no more complicated than that. I have to hand it to you art tart, you have so much more patience than I do. You always take the time to clearly explain the truth and you’re familiar with ever tiny detail of this case. It must be like banging your head against the wall. I’m more like notrial4casey in that way. I don’t bother engaging trolls either.
Thanks for the Blink link, nt4c. Blink is the best!
Whoops, sorry, I’m just seeing your question now. Here’s the link where Bill Sheaffer comments on the gesture he observed cheney making towards JA on Friday. It’s near the end of the article. Unfortunately the cameras did not pick up on this but given what we know now about the piggish cheney I have no doubt at all that Sheaffer saw correctly. It is exactly in character with what he has shown us. I wish the mainstream medias would shine more light on his deplorable behaviour. And I’m wondering if Kathi Belich has any kind of recourse. His behaviour is VERY disturbing in my opinion. As bad as baez is, I also do not believe that cheney is fit for trial. I really don’t. Whether his brain is rotting from cancer, Alzhiemer’s or just good old fashioned misogyny I don’t know but he is not sound.
http://www.wftv.com/news/27395081/detail.html
Judy, I agree with you about george. He is a sad excuse for a human being. He makes a fool of himself at every opportunity. It’s a look that he wears very well.
Anonymous, I find your input on this blog to be very reassuring and credible. I really appreciate it.
Arttart-OH, I can’t tell you how much I agree. Why did he have to say she was “innocent” when he could have said, “not guilty” ( Maura at THM)
Didn’t he realize that had there never been chloroform in the trunk or the smell of a decomposing body that nothing much would change for his client? Did he realize that when the body was recovered that it strengthened Mr Ashton’s case against Ms Anthony? Why was it possible for someone with 3 years of experience have the right to tell an accomplished death qualified lawyer that he no longer needed his services?
Why go after the Judge? Why use worpress as a research tool? Why in the name of all that is right and just go after Tim Miller, searchers, and give valuable time to interviewing and deposing people who were only capable of “telling one lie on top of anothere”.Why was it so important to hope for a daily distraction? Why was it so important to look for unstable and obnoxcious people willing to take the spotlight off Ms Anthony for momentary self promotion?
Why would any defendant allow her lawyer to negotiate his retainer by allowing him to sell her daughter’s pictures when there was a legal and medical certainty that whatever was in the trunk died.
And for anyone who may have missed it, Val has written the first part about Dr. Furton’s “expert” testimony on Friday. She does what she does best. Breaks down his testimony and finds it lacking, to say the least. She explains the science so clearly.
She says, “Dr. Furton appears to be a pompous, self-inflated person who thinks it ethical to render his “expertise” for money, irrespective of what machinations and disinformation have to be involved in order to make his client happy.”
The Decomposition of Dr. Furton’s Testimony – Part 1
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/04/03/caylee-anthony-case-the-decomposition-of-dr-furtons-testimony-part-1/#more-6573
Autumn and Bees- We all come with our strenghts and our willingness to share and see the “same old thing’ in new and interesting ways. We are discussing a capital case and others are calling the trial a SHOW and the defendant is described as the STAR of the Show!
Autumn-What amazes me is how rigid everyone is.These are the same folks who opine when an objection should be made and point out where Mr Ashton had no right to object! These are the same folks who have all agreed that there was no evidence at the crime scene and the last person to see Caylee alive was Mr Thompson.
It’s just shit I know. But some days it’s almost unforgiveable.
From Blink link:
“Hopespring” – now there is the boss of all oxymorons in this case.
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Actually, that’s not an oxymoron.
It could be called irony.
Blink is practically an illiterate.
I also don’t understand stamping her enormous watermark on Red Huber’s work and any other photos she lifts from the net. Her photoshops (or Klass or whoever makes them), also suck big time.
She should also leave the snarkiness to clever people but that could be said of most of the boring-as-hell watch-paint-dry commenters who mistakenly think they are funny.
Oh yeah, retired accountants and Granny Bloggers are real cut ups! They sure missed their calling on stage doing stand up? NOT!
Not trying to single out Blink, most all of the Casey blogs are written with crayon prose, mixed metaphors, misspellings and run on nonsense sentences.
You’d think if one really wanted to carve out a career as an online writer, one would at least take a night class in Creative Writing and Journalism 101.
But with the discerning geriatric audience (j/k), scrambling desperately to be cutting edge internet savvy and ROTFLTbutts?O, (lame beyond belief), why bother I guess.
They snort diet pepsi onto their keyboards and ^5 the most banal commentary.
Blink would rather major in marketing than invest in intellectual pursuits, that’s obvious from the paid billboards on her tacky, glitterball site and her references to snack foods and laundry soaps.
Old people should be banned from the internet.
Boring people should shoot themselves before they reproduce.
This blog is a pat each other on the back snoozefest.
The same half dozen bloggers have been marking this blog territory like an 18 year old incontinent pekingese since it’s inception.
There is no diversity of opinions, just the same old same old, day in, day out.
What bandwagon will the granny bloggers jump on in three months when this trial is over?
The saving grace of this blog is Craig who allows unmoderated commentary.
Too bad a few old crusties have monopolized this blog and driven away any interesting debates. Not that the commenters here have any debating skills..(another idea for a night class at your local community college? It’s free to audit if you’re over 65! LOL)
This blog really suffers from repetitive, unimaginative content.
Even Mr. Shaeffer’s blog posts are lackluster.
I hope when the trial begins some newbies might come here and spice it up; this place is a moldy graveyard.
I challenge you to say something new about this case, something thought-provoking.
*crickets*
Oh, great comments! Thanks so much! Wow, so insightful! Thanks for the link! ROTFLMBO!
Honestly Pathetic. (That’s not an oxymoron either.)
Someone above (art tart maybe?) asked who added a Fabreeze sheet to the bag with Caylee’s body. Was there one discovered? I’m drawing a blank.
@ BEES KNEES said, on April 4, 2011 at 8:01 am
Bees, oh how I wish that would have been caught by Judge Perry. Certainly, Mason would have been sitting in the 33 St. lockup for at least 24 hours for that one. It is one thing to be outgunned by a younger and more brilliant prosecutor but to show that much contempt in open court is inexcusable. Watching Mason for the past couple weeks, it sure seems that he is physically and more importantly mentally declining. He should know better than to let Baez harass and try to intimidate witnesses but he sits there and says nothing. THM has a pic up by Kleat, Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:18 am I think it was him, that shows how I believe Dorothy Sims and Cheney Mason are not only sick of Baez and his endless rambling questions but looking at Casey and wondering “what the hell did I get into this for?”
http://thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=270&t=1
Yeah, I caught both their reactions when Cindy-I’m-A-Liar-Anthony mentioned kc’s “work” purse. Please. Who does that liar think she’s fooling anyway? Did you catch kc saying “Thank you (for the lies, Mom),” as Liar was stepping down from the podium? This is the shit that escapes their lips automatically that the jurors will also get to see. Soon. They can’t help it.
@ Only Wankers Blog Here said, on April 4, 2011 at 9:30 am
I might have to agree with you that Blinks site is unsightly, disorganized and is reasonably difficult to navigate. It is very poorly done as a website.
The rest of your comment is an oxymoron since you offered nothing but a recrimination of those who post her even to the extent of insulting the host. If you are so bent on this blog becoming more interesting to read please ingratiate us with something to chew on or move the hell along.
that would be post “here”
I am totally in agreement with Bees, Whoops, and anonymous when they comment , this family, this horrendous family has been given free reign by the legal system in Florida. It’s beyond any normal way of thinking that they are allowed to lie, mislead and abet the defense in trying to help the person who murdered their grandchild. If it isn’t illegal to do what they are doing, it certainly should be made illegal, so that no other degenerates can come along and make money off a tiny defenseless family member. I just want someone to tell Cindy to STFU when she starts the pity party act.
When I hear that whiny voice of hers on the Megan Kelly interview I could slap her. “if you can’t respect me as the poor grandmother..yada yada yada.” Cindy you certainly are no grandmother to this little girl.
Gee Only Wankers, you have me ROTFLMBO.
^5 Whoops LOL
Whoops, here is the definition of oxymoron:
ox·y·mo·ron noun \ˌäk-sē-ˈmȯr-ˌän\
: a combination of contradictory or incongruous words (as cruel kindness); broadly : something (as a concept) that is made up of contradictory or incongruous elements
— ox·y·mo·ron·ic \-mə-ˈrä-nik, -mȯ-\ adjective
Your comment makes zippo sense, I don’t think you, (along with Blank (sic) ), know what oxymoron means!
Telling me ‘to move along’ just confirms my earlier statements.
Get over it.
This is not holy ground.
Mr. Shaeffer has made no secret of the fact that he was not keen to continue with this blog and IMO, (which guess what? I’m entitled to), it shows in his blog posts which are cursory and have the stale smell of the obligatory about them.
BTW, you have zippo right to tell another commenter to ‘move along’..exactly my point!
You confirm my previous comment perfectly!
If you look at the comments for each new WFTV online article concerning this case, you will see there are hundreds for each article.
Come to this blog which was expressly designed for commentary on this case and you will find the same 6 bloggers.
This blog was supposed to be a place where EVERYONE could comment, not just the select bully crew.
I am certain that Craig envisioned a lot more commenters than you half dozen bores!
But by your combined, (and continuing, as demonstrated right now), bully tactics have successfully driven them all away!
I guess that pleases you?
You have no right to tell another commenter to ‘move on’. But don’t let your myopic viewpoint stop you!
Gullivers the pity party is part of the cluser B traits. Thomas Sheridan has just published his book Labyrinth of the Psychopath. I haven’t bought it nor do I thinnk I want to but I did listen to his marketing tutorial via YouTube. His first word is “Hare” -the tutorial is not for the faint of heart. Take it in small doses. If you have listened to one and two go to SEVEN and listen. Take a break and go back to it again in a week or two. He is a decent and honorable person -I only base that on his obvious honesty and his ability to care about anyone who had the misfortune to know a disordered person in the home, the workplace or through marriage. The tutorial is very, very creepy but a fantastic guide to understanding who Casey is and believe it or not it will help you to identify when they come into a conversation and disrupt, demean adn devalue others.The information will help you spot an interloper. They crawl through the cracks on the internet.
It is an abomination that people like the anthonys are walking around freely among us. We must all work to make sure laws are in place preventing this from ever happening again. We have to INSIST that this family be held accountable for all their law-breaking ~ from disposing of evidence to interfering with a crime scene. Not to mention the lying under oath. justice will not be served only by the death of kc. Everyone else that aided in the cover-up MUST be held accountable. I don’t believe citizens will allow for anything less.
And don’t you think they will investigate the whole ‘Disappearing Money Act?” Was kc really indigent? Where did all that blood money go? And we don’t even know about ALL of it. How many silly pocket squares can you buy with hundreds of thousands of dollars? Won’t the State have to look into that?
Those videos are fascinating. I think I’ll listen to them all.
In my opinion the reason for the regular bloggers here is because the troll’s with their disruptive bullshit have driven away all the other bloggers who used to post here. And I don’t mean bloggers with different opinions. I am always interested in other opinions WHEN THEY ARE BACKED UP WITH FACT. That is NEVER what the trolls bring here, as we all know. So anyone interested in real discussion moves on to more closely moderated blogs where trolls aren’t tolerated.
Bees-You brought up important issues but first let me address the one I found so amusing. The work “purse”. I didn’t hear Cindy, the one who must be obeyed and believed say that but I certainly believe she is capable of saying it after years of knowing Casey never worked since the day Caylee was born. She’s the same one who said to Yuri M. and John A., as she is standing up in the interrogation room, she leans down and swipes her hand over the June 2008 timeline calendar, and says, “Casey’s story was a fabrication.” Did she forget that she was at work?
Early on I thought the DA would never go after C/G. Would the probability be higher if 1) both got on the stand and told the truth through the prism of their own disturbed and disabled recollections or 2) if they were simply hostile witnesses who made an effort to pretend there was reasonable doubt?
Bees-One more thing. There was a financial autopsy completed on each member of the Anthony family. I think it was done within 90 days of Ms Anthony’s arrest. I will go back and see what I can find out. It was either done before or after Mr Baez received his retainer from Ms Anthony.
I have often read that funds from the sale of Caylee’s estate were given to Mr and Mrs Anthony. Casey was and will always be Caylee’s next of kin so I don’t know why Mr and Mrs Anthony were in possession of funds unless Mr Baez distributed them with Casey’s approval. The PA status was never revealed but I hardly see Casey sharing her proceeds with mom and dad. Who knows, maybe she did.
ox·y·mo·ron noun \ˌäk-sē-ˈmȯr-ˌän\
: a combination of contradictory or incongruous words (as cruel kindness); broadly : something (as a concept) that is made up of contradictory or incongruous elements
— ox·y·mo·ron·ic \-mə-ˈrä-nik, -mȯ-\ adjective
Your comment makes zippo sense, I don’t think you, (along with Blank (sic) ), know what oxymoron means!
Wankers, the fact you are posting on this forum, while bashing all other posters for posting on this forum makes your comments oxymoronic. See above. “something (as a concept) that is made up of contradictory or incongruous elements”.
I think you’re just commenting to stir the pot and I hope fellow posters don’t take the bait. I’m done discussing your oxymoronic concepts.
Bees, yeah I thought that “WORK PURSE” statement was a riot, did you notice the way Casey looked up at mommy when she said that?
Bees, Anonymous, Whoops, the first thing I would like to see the Anthony’s have to explain and be held accountable for is their removable of the car from Johnson’s!
The car was the very first piece of hard evidence and by George’s own testimony he suspected as much BEFORE he so much as turned the key in the ignition to drive it away! He couldn’t, he stated, drive it away because of the dead body smell!
From the onset, then, he and Cindy were “tampering” which is further evidenced by Cindy’s infamous 911 call regarding the dead body smell of the car, and it will bite harder than a rabid dog if G&C aren’t charged with something.
Yes, there should be laws put in place to prevent even the opportunity for such tampering and obstruction, and I would like to take this one step further by saying I’d also like to see some sort of law or protocol that would prevent someone like Casey from hiring private attorney’s without showing proof of an ability to pay! It seems obvious to me that from the get go Baez saw an opportunity to exploit his own client for his own gain.
Kudos to Val Hall! I hope the prosecution is reading!
BEES!!!! Bless your cotton socks!!!!
All the news crews were saying Casey said “Love You” when mommy dearest stepped down.
I have also said looked like “THANK YOU” to me.
Judy.. yes, thank you for lying in court for me mommy.
Do you know if George’s friend from Ohio is a witness? I am sure that any LE friends he has are rather disgusted with him. They know he knows and is lying.
Yeah, Terrytsk. i sure hope the other 5 posters don’t take ‘the bait’ either.
I’m so glad you can direct others how to comment..or not to.
Hey Y’ALL! Terry says don’t respond to OWBH’s concerns; she’s a troll!
Just like everybody else besides us six regulars! LMAO!
Oops..they all already responded; it’s too late!
What now? Time to admonish me further for simply stating my opinion?
Accuse me of stirring the pot because I state the blatantly obviouso?
This place is a dead zone?
How about considering for one nanosecond that I was expressing a valid POV?
I mean, don’t you think it’s just a little odd that there are only a half dozen commenters on this blog?
Bees, your answer might have some merit, but it doesn’t really address the problem here.
Anyone who thinks outside the box is sneered and slammed.
Calling JB Mission and her ‘followers’ trolls was a disgrace and actually violates this blog’s very premise which Craig has spelled out to the ‘haters’ so many times to no avail.
Why isn’t JB, (just a handy example, it’s not she alone that has been driven away), a troll?
Answer: Because she has spent so much time looking into the details of this case. She knows those details as well as anyone. She has every right to interpret the facts as she sees them!
And you have every right to disagree.
Instead, your mean girls clique label her troll, sneer and belittle her till she did ‘move on’.
And where does this leave this blog?
Even more boring than it was before! (if that’s possible LOL)
Do I agree with her “Casey might be innocent” stance? Not one bit.
But I do find some of her observations interesting and valid.
She digs up obscure sh#t that’s sometime’s fascinating.
Let me be example A for the day.
LMAO!
Labelled troll by Terrytsk, a known sheeple!
I mean seriously, if she isn’t even intelligent enough to see what a dunce Marinade is, how perceptive a blogger is she?
Duck! Evacuate! Do Not Reply! OWBH is a troll!!! LMAO! The whole blog is in jeopardy if you answer her mild questioning!
The trial is coming up fast and it would be really nice to come to this blog and read some comments from people other than the same old half dozen worn outs. (No offense,
)
Is it possible some of you might alter your hostile comments and perhaps even encourage new blood?
Or are you so wrapped up in your own egotism and ignorance, (No..my comments were not oxymoronic. Contradictory, perhaps. But NOT Oxymoronic! Not in any stretch of Oxymoronia! LOL) that you have to drive away anyone not back patting and agreeing?
I don’t expect every comment to be Shakespear or Einstein inspired. But it would be a huge improvement if they were at least original.
Don’t chastise me Whoop or Terry for not ‘adding to the coversation’.
Let’s face it, it’s been a dead horse for ages..we’ve hashed out every detail already.
Sometimes, less said really is better. Why state the obvious over and over?
This pre trial crap is just that..peripheral. Some evidence gets in, some doesn’t. The big ticket items have already been ruled on as I’m sure you know.
So if I don’t have anything to ‘add’ at the moment it’s because it’s all been said, not once but hundreds of times!
When this trial finally begins, maybe I will have something to say; until then..eh.
I really only began this rant, (which frankly I am glad I did as this place sure needs the windows open to a fresh breeze blowing through), because of the NTFC link to Blink and following comments of how awesome she is when the very first dang sentence of her blog I read is soo inane!
Boss of Oxymorons?
What an idiotic phrase! And Hopespring is NOT an oxymoron! LMAO!
If you are going to write a blog then learn how to write!
Carry on Terrytsk..the world didn’t end because somebody disagrees with you!
Baa!
@ Only Wankers Blog Here
Wow Wanker, you used all that bandwidth to say nothing. The only window that needs opening here is to throw shit like you out of. Buh Bye
Moving on. I agree it appeared the defendant said thank you to her mother. It made perfect sense to me even at the time that she was thanking her for changing her story about the fabric softener sheets. It must fit in with their defense strategy in some way. Time will tell. Anyways, I must go take my Geritol.
Oooo snap!
How cleverly succinct you are Whoopers!
Ever considered a job with BBC?
What a classy and compelling argument!
YOU WIN!
I did hint that debate was your forte, didn’t I?
You’ve outdone yourself gal! I’m devastated! *crunch
Your self entitlement is charming! Who knew it’s you who decides who can blog here?
I had no idea you were the bouncer though it certainly suits your eloquent style!
Again point proven.
Back pat or out.
(Welcome to Simpletonia)
Who said I’m leaving?
Maybe I’ll settle in for a nice long harrangue, recklessly burning up bandwidth in a bonfire until there’s none left.
Debate is my forte but I don’t with an unarmed opponent. And I don’t decide anything around here. That is Craig’s position.
Don’t come in here and insult Whoops or anyone else. Take it somewhere else. We discuss the case. We do not insult one another. If you think JBMission has something substantive to say that you can agree or disagree with take it up with her. You’re the only one who insults her. I mostly barf in my shoes at the foul and rank analysis she brings to the discussion of the death investigation and pretrial. Because we value life and victims of crime does not make us fodder for your foolish rant.
Reflect on a recent dinner with family and friends. How did it go?
ValHall’s article on Dr. Furton’s testimony was excellent. She can break down the scientific jargon and protocols in layman’s terms effectively. I’m looking forward to Part 2. Even if I had access to read the papers she purchased I wouldn’t have a clue what it all meant. I’m grateful to her for sharing her knowledge.
Wednesday’s hearing should be interesting. At the rate they’ve been going I doubt it will be done in one day. I have my doubts about the heart shaped sticker residue getting in, mainly because photos weren’t taken prior to the testing that destroyed it. Big oversight, but we’re only human.
Whoops-Thomas Sheridan is a very scholarly writer. I wrote a post to Gulliver up above and would hope that you look at the video- eleven minutes-it’s my “gift” to you both.
Just Google “Thomas Sheridan” (no quotes).
Thank you Terry.
Snipped from OWBH’s crappy post:
“The whole blog is in jeopardy if you answer her mild questioning!”
Mild questioning? I didn’t see any mild questioning. I saw an outright attack on the commenters that post here, and on Mr. Sheaffer himself. If you have a question in need of an answer, why not post one? Otherwise, go take a long walk off a short pier. Have a nice day, JB.
OWBH, normally I would not read a second comment from you because respectfully it looks like you came here with the sole purpose of looking for a fight and I just don’t have the time or the interest in that. If I’m wrong and you really want to discuss the case then I am all ears. But please, the ONLY thing I ask is that you substantiate what you say with FACTS and LINKS. That is the reason I haven’t read jbmission’s blog since last year, is because she makes wildly outlandish comments with absolutely nothing to back them up. Respectfully, that is not interesting to me. I would not call her a troll but it is unfair of you to say that we are “mean-girling” her on this blog when the reaction to her is the same on every blog, as you must know. I’m not exactly sure what your point is in coming here today to criticize all of us and the blogs we read. If that was all you had in mind then mission accomplished. You’ve made yourself clear. Is there anything else you need to get off your chest today?
Anon,
I tried listening to part 1 which hung about 3 to 4 minutes in. Rebooted computer and still no luck. Part 7 wouldn’t open at all. My computer is new and fast so I doubt that is the problem. Other YouTube contents worked just fine.
I did however read an article in the past few days about the same subject and think I understand where Sheridan is going since it was quite similar in context from what little I heard from Sheridan. Thank you for the thought.
Terry, I agree. Wasn’t Val’s analysis of Furton excellent? She’s one sharp cookie, that Val! I felt so much better about his stupid, confusing testimony after reading her article.
Anonymous I’m so happy you mentioned Thomas Sheridan’s work. I doubt I’d buy his book either but I listened to some of his videos earlier and he makes it all so easy to understand. He comes across as a very sincere, knowledgable person. He says we need to shun psychopaths (I’ll say!).
Whoops -http://truthbrigade.org/smf/index.php?topic=7432.0
I have trouble posting links but if you have time next week take a look.
Mix suggested a short pier but if you are afriad of the water but still want to maintain a healthy sense of insanity just go into the office in the morning and page yourself over the intercom. Don’t disguise your voice.
Bees-He is brilliant and a fine writer. Rumor has it that he can sing like a bird. His art reflects (in Part 7) that he made it over to “the other side”. Does that man have a lovely approach and a sincerity that “would break your heart and soul”? I read Without Conscience just because someone I knew read it. I understood nothing nor did I really care. I understood Scott Peterson because others (the one who I bought the book for) clued me in. But when I read Dance with the Devil and read the court transcripts of the pretrial which ocurred in Newfoundland I picked up Without Conscience and started reading for understanding.
Val helped a lot of us understand how the checklist is scored. I read Erase earlier and had a more centered approach to the traits after reading The Hinky Meter’s analysis. Thomas Sheridan put it in layman’s terms and his presentation made it all that much clearer. I look at Casey and I can almost “see” the traits. She makes me scared.
Anonymous: “Don’t come in here..”
You should actually be booted for that comment which unfortunately is all too commonplace here.
Sweet how you overlook your buddy calling me “shit”; but evidently it’s fine and dandy for your pals to insult commenters? Or would you like to reprimand Whoops?
Didn’t think so.
Yet another self appointed moderator.
Who made you king?
This blog has been nothing but a pissing match for control since it’s inception.
Why can’t this gang allow others to comment without threatening them?
Are you really so intellectually challenged that you can’t handle criticism?
Is there really any doubt as to why no one comments here but your tiny crew?
This blog must get thousands of hits, yet only a half dozen people comment here.
Why can’t you acknowledge that your narrow minded, pompous, territorial behavior and borderline skitzo treatment of other commenters is why no one comes here?
Well, your boring rehash comments don’t help either.
This could be an interesting blog if it weren’t being domineered by a tiny group of people, some who don’t even know what oxymoronic means and would rather throw temper tantrums than learn something new.
Where exactly do you get the nerve to tell people not to comment here or dictate what they can or can’t say?
Seriously. I’d like to know how you justify such territorial behavior on a public blog.
wankers I am one of the bloggers that usually only reads here and does not comment but I come here to read intelligent comments about this case like the ones that anonymous makes and I dont come here to read comments like yours. its because you that others have stopped commenting here. you dont even make sense.
Niecey has a good new article up outlining all the corruption the defense has contributed to the case. I think it’s important we keep this all out in the open and continue to discuss all his dirty tricks and lies. The only move they have is to fling-mud and try underhanded, sneaky tactics and it’ll more than likely continue to get worse until it’s all finally over (praise the day!!!!)
Yes, Anonymous, I think he is lovely. I’d love to hear about his personal experiences with psychopaths. Sounds like he’s had more than his share. And yes, kc scares me too. As he says, it’s only a very small percent of psychopaths that are actually violent or murderers but she is a classic example of one that did. He said in his opinion they aren’t quite human because human beings are love, conscience, remorse and empathy but psychopaths feel none of those emotions so they may look human and act human but they aren’t really. He says they are sub-human. He also says as more and more of us become educated about them there won’t be as many victims because the pickins’ will be slim. Good!
http://niecey456.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/jose-baez-the-leaks-the-lies-the-corruption-in-caylees-case/
Anon,
I was able to get in and listened to part 1 and 7. Interesting and thought provoking Thank you for the link. Oh, and btw, if you take the dash from in front of http the link works fine.
One of the attorney’s wants out
04/04/2011 Motion
Defendant’s; for Withdrawal of Appointed Counsel
04/04/2011 Brief
in Support of Defendant’s Motion for Withdrawal of Appointed Counsel
http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDe … ID=6236234
Please pass along the word to vote for Yuri Melich for an America’s Most Wanted Superstar award!
Here’s the link: http://www.amw.com/allstar/2011/nominee-detail.cfm?id=9324
Kim,
From the looks on Ms Sims face on Friday, I am guessing she is going to be the one to get out of Dodge.
I wonder – Ms Finnell seems a bit out of sorts as weel and I have been seeing rumors that Mason may be ill – prostate cancer, I believe
You might be right about Mason because the Motion was for Withdrawal of Appointed Council. Even though Mason volunteered as well, when Casey was declared indigent, Mason and Baez were required to stay on. Sims and Finnell volunteered after the fact.
Thanks for that Yuri link, Kim. Wonder how often we can vote. And which lawyer are we losing? God I hope it’s cheney!
We can vote every day!!
Answered my own question. Looks like we can vote once a day for a week (this week).
Bees,
Baez or Mason, it makes no difference to me. I fear it may be Finell though. The only sane one in the bunch.
imo, it is likely going to be Sim’s who is clearly out of her league, not seeming to understand what a Frye Hearing really was & what she was able to ask, Judge P seemed to be a little irritated with her. She was ineffective & the next day, Baez took over the questioning.
Baez can’t leave, as he is effected by the law that is now in effect because of this case where a Private Pay Defendant that hires an attorney, then runs out of money & is indigent, the attorney can not then leave the case. Baez is stuck with KC & KC is stuck w/Baez.
Lyon’s wanted out & the Defense Team HAD TO HAVE a DP qualified attorney to take her place. C Mason took Lyon’s place to supervise Baez, but this is a miserable case w/miserable reprecussions for the attorney’s attached once it’s over, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was Mason who seems to have been side lined since Baez wants to be lead attorney. This case has damaged Mason’s long career, even he probably understands that. Mason comes off as a NUT, unable to even answer the MEDIA whom the Defense has courted by floating their ridiculous theories, verbally attacked Belich calling her “the stupidest reporter” because he was TOO INEPT to answer the questions about the MOTION HE FILED against Judge P. Mason isn’t having fun & it shows, he’s miserable & looks like a loose cannon, has been reduced to making an arm gesture after the last hearing, what an idiot!
Jose’ is locked in he can not step down because he took the money.
Mason is finding there really is not much fun to be had with this case as he first thought there would be, he has made enemies as a result of it and that may very well have an effect on his paying clients case’s, lets not forget he is lead attorney in the millionaire murder case of Bob Ward.
He has pissed off the States attorney’s office, and I would guess he is not on the good ol boy scratch my back, I’ll scratch your’s list at this point.
He has pissed off 2 well respected judges.
And he has gotten on the wrong side of the media to add to his woe’s, he really isn’t having any darn fun.
Now, if he leaves that put’s Jokin Jose’ in a real pickle who who want to step in as a death qualified attorney and risk their bar card by the mere association to this very questionable, unseasoned, rouge lawyer Jose’?
And let us as well note that it would no doubt bring about a “DELAY” to the trial as Jose’ would have to fill the void.
Thereby allowing for more wasted time, and more tax payer dollars, while Jose’ finally gets around to doing the things he should have done a year or two ago.
As for Sim’s & Finnell they have found themselves in the middle of a hornets nest, they see the dirty tricks team Casey is guilty of, they see the disdain of the D.A’s office, have felt the wrath of the judge, seen the foolish tactics, and the pure stupidness of this supposed dream team turned comic relief and have no doubt ask themselves, “What the hell was I thinking”
http://americaspeaksink.com/2011/04/did-caseys-prosecutor-have-a-nervous-breakdown/#more-14762
I hope this isn’t true. Mr Ashton seems like a real nice man hes just fed up with the duhfence & if he needs to take medicine then thats nobodys business!
KathyB,
“Love him or hate him, because there is nothing in between. He has been called the Archie Bunker of the internet and he rails against political correctness. C. Rich sees the world through a sarcastic and sardonic mind. Following his writing is a journey of discovery and pure madness.”
*******
Pay no attention to this wacko. Just look at the disclaimer on the site:
http://americaspeaksink.com/content-disclaimer/
Perhaps on of the other attorneys suggested to lil’Casey that she “Has to take a plea deal to escape death” and that would go against every lie that Casey has told. And since George told Casey that “She’s in charge”, Casey is just getting rid of the nonbelievers on her in your dreams team. Or maybe one of the attorneys read what Casey is writing and told her “That’s nuts”…
I liked how Mr. Ashton, when Cindy was on the stand “telling the truth”, how he seemed about to rip into her story then decided to do it another time…We were so close to seeing Mr. Ashton rip Cindy a new one, and not the way Dominic Casey did it to her…lol
OOPS…Perhaps one….
Oops…Perhaps one of…
I hear it’s Baez! Is this true? Wesh is reporting someone has asked for the dismissal of Baez. Was it the judge? I’m not clear. Anybody have more on this?
http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/27434177/detail.html
From Wesh:
http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/27434177/detail.html
Motion Asks For Jose Baez To Be Removed From Casey Case
Judge Asked To Let Lawyer Go
HUH?????
I should have refreshed. You beat me to it, Autumn.
I don’t think a Judge could ask for an attorney to be removed.
An inmate in a Michigan prison filed a handwritten motion on behalf of Casey Anthony to drop Jose Baez as her attorney. But the paperwork from Curtis Jackson is not considered credible or a legally binding document.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-attorney-withd20110404,0,3232894.story
According to WESH it is Baez mentioned in the motion. Speculation as to the reasons why could take multiple different directions, however I think it is solely because Baez is finally realizing he is in over his head and knows Casey is guilty, and because so far all his efforts to hide evidence has failed he’s deserting the sinking ship.
I think it was a joke. Unfortunately!!!
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/april/227955/casey-fake-motion?cmpid=facebook
“ORLANDO —
A motion to remove Casey Anthony’s lead attorney from her murder case appears to be a hoax.
The court document, filed late Tuesday, asked for Jose Baez to be removed.
IS THE WORLD GOING CRAZY?????
But that motion was actually written by a man from Michigan named Curtis Jackson, who claimed to be representing Casey Anthony, and said he wants Baez off the case.
The return address on the envelope containing the handwritten note appears to be from a Correctional Facility in Baroga, Michigan.
Casey Anthony has not signed any of these papers. Anything coming from her attorneys includes her signature.”
As I wipe the sweat from my brow, all I can say is what a relief!!! There is no one better for Casey to lose under than Jose Baez! I was getting a little worried thinking he might be replaced by (I’ll be kind) more competent counsel.
Yeah, was looking around-wasn’t ringing true. Yes, Autumn, they deserve eachother. LOL!
I get Casey Anthony updates on Facebook and when I saw that I was like WTH?! LOL!
Such a fine display of courtroom etiquette and professionalism.
http://thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=52463
At 10:11 p.m.
And don’t forget to vot for Yuri today. Spread the word.
http://www.amw.com/allstar/2011/nominee-detail.cfm?id=9324
Hi Bees. I voted for Yuri yesterday.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=75388015
you can’t make this stuff up
You got it, Bees. Yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Linda, if Casey had any sense and wasn’t so awe struck by Baez, she’d rewrite Mr. Jackson’s motion, sign it and file it!
That’s the same fool who wrote LDB almost a year ago, claiming that he and Casey were pen pals.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=60652589
Mr Baez will be interviewed by Ryan Smith from InSession to discuss the recent Motion filed by the prison inmate. Happening now.
Geesh they sure do climb out from under rocks with this case. The C Rich article about Jeff Ashton was just plain disgusting to read. Talk about a transparent Anthony Kool Aid drinker. WTF don’t people get, that when Casey was being detained by LE she was not charged with the disappearance of her daughter. As for Jeff Ashton being wild and out of control, what a bunch of BS. He apparently is very much IN control, because otherwise he would have punched Jose out long before this.
Sadly, the only defense Jose can put forth is to dazzle them with BS and hope it sticks. There is nothing he can say in the first minute of his “opening statement” that will explain how some POS woman can fail to report to ANYONE the fact that her child is missing. The only scum lower than Jose and Casey are George and Cindy.
I wish they would all do the world a favor and drop dead at the same time.
LMBO, two wacko’s in one day C. Smith and Curtis Jackson. All that internet speculation and BS for nothing. Now gulliver, take it easy, watch that blood pressure. All is well.
Waiting for May 9.
too funny
Baez stated on InSession that the mystery of the 31 days will be answered – by him – in the first minute of opening statement at trial and will put everything to rest
HAHA Jose telling what’s her name (I forget) on InSession how intelligent and great person Casey is.
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It is ridiculous that Wesh put up that headline-I guess they wanted lots of hits on their website.
Hi Kim…Yeah. Can’t wait for THAT. I will be counting the seconds. I cannot imagine what BULLoney it will be.
Hey, LNY!! Good to see you!
Just make sure to have your hip boots – I am thinking the manure will be deep. My question has always been – if he has the answers and he knows dear, sweet, misunderstood Casey is innocent then why didn’t he speak up way back when and get the charges dropped? Why not start the search then for the true murderer?
Also – why haven’t any of the Anthony’s spoken out demanding the real killer be found?
In Session….Softball questions to Baez (Actually nerf-ball questions). C’mon…Ask Kathi B. questions!
Kim said, on April 5, 2011 at 11:05 am too funny
Baez stated on InSession that the mystery of the 31 days will be answered – by him – in the first minute of opening statement at trial and will put everything to rest
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Did you see Val is going to start a thread for her very first official Hinky contest. The contest is: What possible excuse could Baez give in the first minute of his opening statement to excuse Casey’s 31 days of slutting around, partying and lying like a dog about her dead daughter?
Should make for some fun reading.
I saw that Bee’s! I twill be fun – what’s your take?
Wasn’t there a big argument prior to the double ring ceremony that was to take place in Jacksonville? Zanny was marrying Michael Jeffrey Hopkins and Casey was marrying Mr Manly. Juliette Lewis showed up with Annabell and Stephanie forgot to pick up Caylee’s dress for the after party? Tempers flared…..anyone care to continue
I somehow didn’t think Casey was the marrying kind …
The sad thing about the fake motion is that it’s written better than any motion Baez or Mason has done so far(Casey should read that motion carefully cause it seems to be telling the truth about Baez). Also that prisoner has nice handwriting.
Baez’z excuse for lil’ Casey…
After George killed Caylee, Casey was so scared that she went into a self-denial, manic frame of mind…etc… And went to bars and partied and slept around cause she couldn’t go home for fear that if she did, George would just abuse her instead, now that Caylee was gone. Poor Caylee, she was Casey’s buffer between her and George’s abuse. Note…This only make sense if you hang upside down and take huge hits of nitrus oxide.
Doug, the thing is, the prisoner was absolutely correct in what he said about Baez. Baez’s handling of this case has been inept, you just have to laugh, a prisoner has more common sense that KC Anthony & it is her life on the line & in Baez’s hands! He is reading about the case I assume from a computer or newspapers, he is spot on about the defense KC has rec’d, if he gets it, WONDER why KC doesn’t get it?
Yep, I agree, GA needs to hold on, he is going to be thrown under the bus by Baez, of course he will have the support of Cindy & KC.
Wait On Gov. Scott Could Close Courts For Weeks
This doesn’t sound good.
http://www.wesh.com/r/27441851/detail.html
There was such an excellent comment made by a blogger named Julia at Hinky’s today that I want to copy and paste it here in case any of you missed it, but it’s very long so I’m just going to paste a bit of it along with the link. It should be the “go-to” reply everytime somebody tries to elicit sympathy for the Anthonys. The long comment is well worth the read and is found about half way down page 55 (at 2:58 pm).
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Someone was asking, how can the Anthony’s win. They are not respected.., what are they to do?
Oh my, reasons why the Anthonys are not respected…do you want one to one hundred? I am offended that you asked!!!
Perjury is not respectable The record is replete with examples of the lies they have told.
Lying by omission to a federal officer is a FELONY! Think of Cindy giving the wrong hairbrush to the FBI agent, and later joking to Tracey and Casey that she should have given the dog’s toothbrush to them.
Making up wholly unsubstantiated allegations about a young man that was such a good kid, he was going to marry your promiscuous, ungrateful daughter and adopt her baby to devote his life to raising as his own, to try to say he is responsible for the baby’s disappearance is VILE! To invite a non profit organization, of all volunteers to come to your aid, have them arrive on their own dime, treat them like trash and send them out of your home is HATEFUL, and just plain DUMB.To take some young people your daughter had used and stole from and lied to, that helped her with her car, loaned her money, tried to be good to her, and say to the police that they are dope dealers is shockingto me.
To hire a Private Investigator who has just severed a relationship, for whatever reason, with your daughter’s lawyer, a PI who has a total of mere months of experience, and not a specialized expert in searching for missing children,only to have him set out on a mission to disparage others and dig up dirt on innocent people, Mr. Kronk, for example, the hero you tried to turn into a suspect in a MURDER, the average guy who called and called the police, who thought he better do the right thing and keep trying so that in his words, “The baby could have a proper burial” is RIDICULOUS I do not have the emotional capacity to put a label on how life changing that was for him.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1097&start=2700
I have nothing but hatred for the Anthonies because all they do is lie all of the time.They ougth to be arrested and put on trial with Casey because I know they only care about there innocents daughter. I would love to see them sweat drawing smily pictures with there daughter Casey. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The duhhh-fenses can make room for Sinnnn-day at the table.I wants to go down to Orl. for the trial so I can look at them in the eye to tell them that I know whole fam damily is guilty just like my dgo wen he did his bussinest on the rug.LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In NC where I live we hang them ups rights quick. We don’t need no trial. Its basic knowledge that Casey did it?????? LE found out they were all lying pigs. After the trial the police will chase them every day.They going to look out the window then LE will kick down the door!!!!!!! Amen!
Protesters will be outside the Courthouse…
I would call them Supporters wanting Justice for Caylee. Protesters would be the people wanting Casey freed (Cindy, Baez, Mason…etc…).
Now all the Supporters have to do is sing (To the tune of “We are Family” by Sister Sledge)…
We are Caylee’s only Family
Casey and the Anthony’s PLEASE
We are Caylee’s only Family
Everyone can see they’re in it together
But her Family just walks on by
(LIE) And they lie just like birds of a feather
They will continue to tell nothing but lies
(ALL) All of the people around us say
How can they believe and stay close to Casey
Just let me state for the record
We’re giving Caylee our Love in a Family Dose.
…etc…etc…
Also, Gas Can George, you better get those cans filled up. After all, you don’t think Baez,Mason, Cindy or Casey are going to fill the Bus up before or even after they run you over…Do you??…Really??
I am looking forward to watching the Anthony’s behavior during the trial. Will they be the smart a$$ grandparent’s that think they can threaten the Court as we have seen previously? Will they try to claim to be traumatized, traumatized enough to continue lying, but not traumatized enough to bilk every dime from Caylee’s murder? Willl JA/LD Burdick/Mr. George jerk out their State depositions & GA’s Grand Jury Testimony & ask to read it by the STATE? Their limited immunity will be void should they choose to lie! Will Judge Perry allow the Anthony’s to run off at the mouth, dodge questions, roll their eyes? Absolutely NOT! Judge P has already put GA in his place, in the trial he will be even less tolerant. They will not be allowed to sit through the trial to suck up information & will be told NOT to watch the trial, but we all know the Anthony’s are dishonest, they will be watching the trial from their home on IN SESSION.
They knew the minute they smelled the decomposition that Caylee was dead. George drove the car home and went to work. Cindy cleaned the car and went to work. Cindy was in contact with Casey every day and knew with certainty that Casey was alive-she just didn’t realize that she had been 20 minutes away from home for a month (9.5 miles). She sent a text message on July 15, 2008 to Casey which said something like, “We’ve got a prob”.
When the police were called they smelled the car and heard the story. It was THEIR behavior that initially implicated Casey Anthony. Casey abandoned the car but it was the parents who drove it home, cleaned it out and went back to work. It was the parents who called Casey and it was the parents who brought her home. They were the only ones on the planet who knew Caylee had not been seen for a month. The smell of decomposition had to be from the only one who was not in the room. Casey wasn’t talking but between the both of them they got the “story” straight and Mrs Anthony had to call police and report ‘The babysitter took my granddaughter….’
This is one very sick, sick woman. I am hoping and praying that she gets up on the stand and says, “I told that story because I was in fear for my own life. I wanted someone to arrest her and instead they took the handcuffs off her….”
Was she tortured for years? Was she threatened? What would make a person thow their moral compass to the wind and be guided by someone who was so evil?
paragraph 3: “I told that story….I am assuming rightly or wrongly that the SAO will file charges against Mrs Anthony. Not Mr Anthony -he made it possible for Casey to be charged with Felony Murder in the First Degree.
IMO Thomas Sheridan is a slick writer and not particularly scholarly at all.
Who, with any brains, admits that not all psychopaths are violent and then suggest we shun psychopaths. Shunning produces anger and violence.
A little bit of knowledge is indeed a dangerous thing.
Autumn – I so agree with your comments of April 4 and thanks for refreshing my memory on some of the earlier information.
I find it amazing that people who support Casey can also support Baez when he is such a poor defense lawyer. He actually stipulated to something that was against her interests to avoid sanctions on himself. I fear that things like this will get her a retrial after she is convicted on the basis of incompetent counsel.
I have been trying to find out whether people who choose their own lawyers can then claim incompetent defense or whether only those with court appointed lawyers have this right. Does anyone know?
oracle- I hope you find the following link helpful.
http://www.hare.org/
@oracle,
Doesn’t matter whether you hire an attorney or get a court appointed one. If either one is incompetent and it can be proved it results in a new trial.
I disagree, oracle. I really learned a lot listening to Sheridan. I do agree that he’s not slick but that’s one of the things I liked about him. He conveyed a genuine understanding of psychopaths that I found very easy to understand. I think shunning them makes perfect sense and is exactly what I would do. As he said, they can wreak havoc in your life.
Here’s Mr. Sheaffer’s intelligent analysis of today’s hearing.
http://www.wftv.com/video/27454251/index.html
“I have been trying to find out whether people who choose their own lawyers can then claim incompetent defense or whether only those with court appointed lawyers have this right. Does anyone know?”
I believe they can. But both Strickland and Perry have asked kc if she was satisfied with her representation and she said she was, so it would be tough for her to later claim she wasn’t. I think it’s for that reason they ruled she had to attend ALL hearings, so she would know exactly what her defense was doing at all times. Somebody please correct me if I’m mixed up on this.
oracle said, on April 6, 2011 at 12:20 pm
“….I have been trying to find out whether people who choose their own lawyers can then claim incompetent defense or whether only those with court appointed lawyers have this right. Does anyone know?…”
Hi Oracle. I beleive there have been many convicted murderer’s, stc. who cry “incompetent attorney” AFTER they are convicted and use that excuse to try to appeal their conviction.
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I have no doubt the decomp smell in the car will be allowed. Letely I have read quite a few Stephen King books, some old some new, some newer. And in all there were dead bodies, or body. And the “horrible, distinct smell of decomposition/dead body” is always mentioned.
YES, there is no mistake that Cindy, George, Lee, Yuri, cops, CSI’s, etc., etc. absolutely smelled the dead body of little Caylee Anthony.
And of course all the true crime stories mention that distinct smell. Not just Stephen King books !!!!
The sound was really bad on my laptop today. I barely heard any of the testimony.One thing I did notice was the defendant was not happy with her clothes again today. Check out link above at the 2:15 mark. The defendant is talking and gesturing at her clothing to Baez. He gets up indicating he’ll handle it. At the 3:35 mark the camera pans to Baez talking to the defendant’s mother. He points at the young interns attire and she’s even asked to turn around for Cindy Anthony to get a better look at her. She’s wearing a tasteful button down shirt and fitted jacket. Why can’t the defendants mother understand the defense are trying their best to make the defendant appear to be a young professional paralegal sitting at the defense table? That woman is either thick or passive-aggressive but hey, I hope she keeps it up.
Sorry Craig! I meant to ony post the link to the video.
terrytsk, you are right about KC’s attire & Baez complaining. KC would look better, imo, in a dark suit which is what most client’s choose to wear or something more conservative in Court. Though I agree that Cindy is passive/aggressive, imo, Cindy too is challenged when picking her own clothing & what is appropriate. Her clothing makes her appear to be an unmade bed, clothes fitting inappropriately, wrinkled, too tight, too slouchy, GA showing up in some hearings in shorts, Tubesocks unshaven & sloppy, it seems the whole family doesn’t get it, their appearance will matter to the jury whether they like it or not. KC dressed in all black, or dark slacks & a button down shirt would be a better choice.
This time I agree with KC, her clothes today were unflattering & inappropriate. Where is the mitagator, seems the mitagator should talk to Cindy about KC’s complaints instead of Baez in Court, and although Cindy/GA have lied their a$$es off for KC, they owe her nothing! Including the clothing she is bitching about!
Casey has “NO MONEY”, she should be in court wearing a bright orange prison jumpsuit (the attire of choice for a convicted 7X felon) since the clothes she had on at the time of her arrest were bought with stolen money and taken from her…Ironic, Casey stole money and bought clothes and Cindy Scams people for money thru her Foundation to buy clothes for Casey.
As to the smell, look up the short interview in Japan with MMA Fighter Enson Inove in which he says, “…There’s alot of dead fish there, and it smells like dead fish, but there is a little…Twang to it. There are definitely bodies under there.”.
Yet Baez wants you to think it’s a little bit trash, febreeze and a dryer sheet stinking the place up…Wait I forgot, Cindy was in the trunk, that would explain some of the foul smell I guess.
Maybe that’s why nobody sits really close to Cindy in the Courtroom…
Team Casey now trying to slither in that Caylees wet swimsuit was the reason Chloroform
was found in the trunk, one problem with that no swinsuit was found in the car, or is Cindy now going to say, oh yes, I remember now I took that out and washed it with Casey’s pants……….
Anyone taking odds on Cindy’s total recall?
One thing I found to be a riot in todays hearing was when Judge Perry was pressing the team Casey for a reason why they would object to the State calling as a witness the man in New York that recently used the death banding on hair in court, someone team Casey had hired early one as an expert to knock down the science, and low & behold he just testified in a New York Case that the death band is a sign of decomp.
Jose’ was dumbfounded, kept looking to Mason for the answer, Judge Perry finally gave them a hint, even then they were to dense to catch it.
With a devilish twinkle in his eye, Judge Perry looked at Ashton as if to say, do you believe this?
Hope Ashton picked up on the Judges thought train better than team Casey.
Everyone wants to know what the (CENSORED) Casey is writing, some have said she’s studying to be a paralegal.
How about this…She’s studying to be a paralegal so she can be a jail house lawyer and in the many years to come can file appeals on her own behalf and for others. Also she can be Baez’z inside girl, refering new clients to him.
I can hear Casey now…”Look Mommy, I HAVE A JOB”…
…”Look Mommy, I HAVE A JOB”…
LOL! That is funny, Doug!
judypc, lol, Baez isn’t a quick thinker, he stuttered, confered w/Mason, Judge P looked like he was trying to hide his smile at the incompetence of Baez.
LOL, the only thing Mason/Baez knew is that they would OBJECT but had no idea on what grounds! You can’t make this stuff up, just another grand display of incompetence, by this miserable defense team.
Can’t you just see it now?
“Well you know Mr. Ashton, I was heavily sedated at the time and didn’t recall removing Caylee’s bathing suit from the trunk, but I do remember it now. Vividly.”
Thanks for the chuckles, Doug! After yesterday’s hearing I needed a good laugh. For your consideration, maybe no one sits next to Cindy because she’s forever sticking her chewing gum to the underside of their seats?
Judy and Art Tart, that was hilarious! One of those DUH-fense moments, I’d say!
Whoops, would ineffective counsel have to be proven, or would it be enough for a defendant to merely think he or she was misrepresented to bring about a mistrial? I s there a hearing to determine such a matter?
Things on my to-do list today, having spent many long hours watching Sheridan on You Tube:
Count my crow’s feet.
Be watchful for those with Reptilian Stares.
Go to hare.com and see what’s there.
Pull the book The Sociopath Next Door down from the shelf and read it, after dusting it off of course.
etc.
Autumn,
Yes, it requires a hearing. The defendant would have to file a motion with the court asking the court to vacate the verdict because of ineffective assistance of council.
First, the defendant must show that counsel’s performance was deficient. This requires showing that counsel made errors so serious that counsel was not functioning as the “counsel” guaranteed the defendant by the Sixth Amendment.
Second, the defendant must show that the deficient performance prejudiced the defense. This requires showing that counsel’s errors were so serious as to deprive the defendant of a fair trial, a trial whose result is reliable.
Strickland v. Washington, 466 US 668, 104 S.Ct. 2052, 80 L.Ed. 2d 674 (1984)
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Autumn,
Here is some more reading for you on successful cases of ineffective assistance of counsel post Strickland v. Washington and pre Wiggins v. Smith.
http://caught.net/caught/ineffec.htm
If this wasn’t so pathetic it would be funny. Look at the second picture down on Dr. Glass’ post about yesterdays hearing. Looks like Cheney Mason is looking at Casey and saying to himself “WTF is outfit about.” Casey looks like she knows what he is thinking and appears to be embarrassed. I am not a fan of Dr. Glass but this was a good catch. What the hell is Cindy Anthony thinking bringing that Salvation Army Wear to court for Casey? Answer, Cindy Anthony is classless and clueless and Dr. Glass says it all in the post.
http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/
oops, that outfit
Whoops, I’m still reading at the links you provided but wanted to stop to thank you for them, and would encourage anyone who hasn’t to read them. I’m going to reserve comment until I’m done but would like to ask you if you believe that Casey could make a claim of ineffective counsel or misrepresentation and have a mistrial declared? From what I know now, if I’m understanding what I’m reading correctly, I don’t believe she’d stand a chance of being successful.
Autumn, at this point the only thing she can do is fire her attorneys and accept a public defender. Since it seems that she will stay with her present counsel, she would have to be convicted at trial to have a chance to claim ineffective assistance which would be an appeals issue. At this point, I don’t see anything glaring enough for her to make that claim but remember these are only pre-trial hearings. Baez and Co. would have to make a serious error in trial and who knows what will happen then.
Remember also that Cheney Mason represented Nelson Serrano who killed four people and Serrano is not appealing on ineffective assistance but that circumstantial evidence against him wasn’t strong enough and that there was prosecutorial and law enforcement misconduct. In other words, Cheney Mason made no mistakes in that trial and I doubt he will let Baez either. One can only hope.
Whoops, I recall reading Serrano lost his appeal re circumstantial evidence a few weeks ago. As a DP case, I’m sure that was just the first of many more to come. He may yet be claiming ineffective counsel. Somehow the fact Mason chose not to even put on a defense because he thought the states case was too weak smacks of ineffective counsel to me. Dateline has a good story on that case. It includes the offer of the million dollars to anyone who could travel the same distance in the same time that Mason dared on national TV. What a numbskull.
Cindy told us about Casey’s “Work Purse”…
Yes I’m sure lil’Casey had a “Work Purse”. All B-girls, Escorts, Prostitutes, Ladies of the Night, Whores, Sluts…etc…etc, have “Work Purses” and I’m sure Casey had one too.
After all, the next boyfriend (lover) may not want a messed up, unfresh girlfriend.
The thing that gets me (one of many in this sad tale of Caylee’s death) is how Casey got away with everything for years and years. Didn’t Cindy ever wonder? Not even about Casey never getting any Tax Returns?
That family is just so strange…etc…
Terrytsk, that was before the Florida Supreme Court. I doubt that Serrano will prevail with The United States Supreme Court even if they decide to hear it.
Saw the Dateline Special and yes a college student Dustin Kolodziej took Mason up on his offer and proved that it could be done. Mason never paid the million and the student sued him and lost the first time and then sued him again. I haven’t bothered to see if the second suit has been satisfied. Mason said he didn’t think anyone was taking his offer seriously. Goes to character in my opinion, Mason is a welsher.
Serrano had to allow him to not put on a case so I won’t put that onus on Mason. There was no doubt that Serrano killed those people. He rolled the dice and lost.
As far as the Casey Anthony case goes, 31 days tomorrow begins the trial. I guess we will have to see how it goes to make a guess on ineffective counsel when it is over.
VIDEO REPORT: Casey Anthony’s Appearance
http://www.wftv.com/video/27471267/index.html
BILL SHEAFFER: Analysis Of Casey’s Appearance
http://www.wftv.com/video/27470955/index.html
Whoops:
31 days tomorrow begins the trial…
31 days before Cindy called the cops…
31 days before Cindy lies to try to get Casey off…
It seems that Casey’s “Bella La Vida” revolves around a 31 day cycle…
That could be the title of her book…31 days…
Now all see needs is for the trial to last 31 days…
I forgot…
Baez says he will explain the 31 days in the first few minutes…
Casey’s freedom and her very life now depends on 31 days.
31 days…..How much will we be doing in those thirty one days…How many mother’s (and father’s) with almost 3 year old little girls or boys would NOT have called police immediately if their child was “kidnapped/kept by a Nanny” ? That’s right, not-a-one ! Only a parent who murdered their child.
Yeah, OK Jose, cannot wait to hear the “excuse”. There IS NO EXCUSE. There is NO compelling reason. Whatever comes out of his smirking mouth in those first few minutes will be nothing but a big fat lie!
The excuse will be that she was protecting her family from harm…The same family she now says abused her…George, a former cop, trained in self defense…Cindy, a women we have all seen charging at crowds of people with no fear in her eyes…Lee, the want-to-be P.I., who also had no fear about facing large angry crowds…
These are the people whom Casey says she had to protect…Not a two (2) year old child, a baby, her first born and defensless against everything and everyone. She had to remain silent to protect the adults (keep in mind that Florida has Gun laws that allow you to carry and weapons are easy to get), not her child.
Yet, Casey is willing to throw family under the bus to protect her, but couldn’t report Caylee missing cause she had to protect that same family…
Whoops, thank you for your response. The information you provide is most welcome. I’m not too familiar with Cheney Mason and only vaguely with the Serano case and look forward to reading up on it. I do agree with you that Mason will try to keep Baez in check, and most recently he’s interrupted Baez before he gets into too much trouble with Judge Perry, but will Baez listen to him? Time will tell. It will certainly be an interesting trail!
okay. What to do about the “31 days”. Well, there is always amnesia. He says he can explain why his client neglected to call the Nanny when her daughter wasn’t returned to her in a minute. Alright. Now if he takes my advice and avoids going to Wikilinks and instead Googles “amnesia as a result of brain trauma” he will read either Functional Amnesia Induced by a Psychological Trauma or working off that lead go to the following link. http://brainmind.com/Amnesia1.html
He’s going to need a week to learn how to pronounced the words in this article and then another week to rehearse his mind numbing analysis. Jurors will at some point beg for mercy. While he is explaining the complexities of the brain the listener will wonder if he has one. That’s gonna take a couple of minutes.
One of the Docs (maybe both?) specializes in PTSD. It’s not a stretch to infer the defense will be focusing on trying to explain away the “ugly coping” with a dx of PTSD. Wouldn’t the SA expert also be allowed to fully assess the defendant with a full psychological work-up as well? I know today the SA filed a motion asking to do this but my question would be, how could the defense team call these experts without allowing the state to rebut? How could Judge Perry say no? In my laypersons opinion I’m surmising the States expert will be allowed to evaluate the defendant.
P.T.S.D.
What Traumatic Stress was poor lil’Casey suffering from?
The Stress from having killed Caylee?
The Stress from having drove around with Caylee’s rotting corpse in her car?
The Stress from having to pick up and dump Caylee’s rotting, leaking, oozing corpse?
What Stress was poor lil’Casey suffering from when she killed Caylee?
The Stress that all of her lies would be found out?
The Stress that Caylee was learning to talk and might say something?
The Stress that she might get kicked out of the house?…and…
The Stress that Cindy would take Caylee away?
The Stress that without Caylee or her mommie’s house, she would be free and on her own?
Yes, poor lil’Casey, The Stress must have been so Horrible that all you could do was Steal and Go Dance and Party the Night Away.
Terry-Casey had a psych evaluation done after her initial arrest and prior to her Bond hearing (July 18?,2008). That evaluation was shown to Judge Strickland and has since been sealed (5th Circuit Court of Appeals). I thought Dr Jeff D. authored her first eval but I’m not totally sure. Ms Finnel has had her evaluated for mitigation should she be given the DP-I would think that presenting these mitigators during his opening statement would be novel to say the least. As we all know, Ms anthony rejected a mental health defense in Nov 2008. This whole case is going down the tubes right in front of our eyes and to think that Mr Baez never “blinks”.
Whoops, I’m becoming more familiar.
Well Judge Belvin Perry may look a bit sleepy eyed but his legal brain is intact. He nixed any foolishness by Baez in messing with jury selection. If they can’t pick a jury in the undisclosed location they will come back to pick one in Orlando. In other words Baez, “git er dun” or you ain’t gonna like it. Couple that with getting the shit slapped out him yesterday for being a smart ass, Baez seemed quite contrite afterward. About time IMO.
It seems that some Talking Heads and Bloggers were a bit miffed yesterday that Judge Perry gave Baez a couple raps on his dome for having Farfalonous of the Blowhole. Justifiably so I might add. They were opining that it makes the Judge seem Biassed against Baeass (little play on words there). I guess that this is the HJP’s way of letting both sides know what will NOT be tolerated during trial. Better now in these hearings than having do do it in front of the Jury IMO. That being said, I am sure if it happens in trial the Judge will take them out back behind the woodshed for a verbal lashing or worse and not do it in front of the Jury.
Autumn said, on April 9, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Whoops, I’m becoming more familiar.
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Careful Autumn, some people could take that the wrong way.
Actually Doug, I think your list of options is very plausible and realistic but somehow I doubt the defense will use any of them for obvious reasons. They have something up their sleeve and it’s obviously to the defendants benefit. I don’t see Judge Perry not allowing the state’s experts to also evaluate the defendant in order to rebut the defense claims. With HIPPA laws in place will her mental state eventually come out at trial or will it be sealed to the public?
I just read Mr. Sheaffer’s take on the medical experts opinions and he said the state atorneys have the right to evaluate the defendant without counsel being present. I wonder if that will happen.
To the best of my recollection, Mr Ashton has the reports that Ms Finnel spoke about a week or 10 days ago. And I would think that Mr Ashton and Ms Burdict will have Ms Anthony evaluated ASAP.
Ashton’s filing yesterday didn’t waste anytime.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/75720807/20110408-SA-Motion-for-Exam-by-Mental-Health-Expert
Whoops! Lordy! What happened to the link I posted of a video showing Cheney Mason giving closing arguments in the Soreno case? It didn’t post. Copyright maybe??? Craig???
LMAO
I love ya Whoops, but …
Whoops, I have chosen to not listen to the talking heads any more. Their coverage is so slanted that I can’t, and indeed won’t, call them journalists. They’re talking heads for the defense team. Obviously with the end result of being granted interviews post trial. Maybe during trial as well.
Rob Dick’s interview was poo-pooed by In-Session yesterday. The interviewer didn’t get the answers that fit into the In Sessions recent interview with Baez where he said the defendant is kind and oh so wonderful, so she did her best to minimize his very damning observations. I’ll stick with following the case by reading the discovery and watching the hearings.
The talking heads and their Biazed opinions be damned!
I think Mr Ashton was given the go-ahead to depose both Drs Danzinger and Weitz on April 7,2011. I will read the posted link.
Dr Jeff D. has been on the defense team since he did the first eval in July 2008. Dr. Weitz and Dr Jeff D. along with a whole host of psychologist and psychiatrists have been seeing Casey for long periods of time (see visitor log) but many are not included as witnesses either during the guilt or penalty phase.
Whoops-He was requesting to depose them. Thankfully he will not depose all of the docs because this trial would never start on time!
“Dr Jeff D. has been on the defense team since he did the first eval in July 2008. Dr. Weitz and Dr Jeff D. along with a whole host of psychologist and psychiatrists have been seeing Casey for long periods of time (see visitor log) but many are not included as witnesses either during the guilt or penalty phase”.
This is where I’m confused. The Caylee Daily posts all visits that include attorney and experts. No doctor has been seeing the defendant for long periods of time. The documented visits of 2, 3, 4, 5 hours couldn’t possibly tackle what’s involved. Your comment, “Dr. Weitz and Dr Jeff D. along with a whole host of psychologist and psychiatrists have been seeing Casey for long periods of time” is incorrect. Or is she seeing them and it’s covered by HIPPA laws? What is happening?
I’m not trying to be ornery here. I’d love to understand.
Whoops, the reason looks “sleepy eyed” is because he has a glass eye. Hornsby posted the link at his site on the Orlando Magazine that has done an article on Judge Perry. It was very interesting, it explained how he lost an eye when he was younger & why he had that sleepy eyed look.
On Nancy Grace Friday night Dr. Henry Lee was on and he was asked about febreeze and dryer sheets…He danced around as much as he could and tried to be as obtuse as possible…It seems to me that Dr. Lee is hoping the defense will find his fee.
Art Tart:
The article on Judge Perry was more than interesting (I read it several times), It was amazing that a man of Perry’s talent couldn’t get a job in 1977 other than pumping gas.
art tart, I knew that, and that is why I made a reference to it since I assumed that most have read his bio. I have read everything I can find on Judge Perry and he has had a very interesting life. From his humble beginnings he certainly has risen above as well as his siblings who from what I read are all College Educated professionals as well are his children. Impressive for a man who went through discrimination in the South during the 50′s to say nothing about being re-elected so many times as Chief Judge in the 9th Circuit. Needless to say I have a great deal of respect for him. If anyone can bring this trial home to a conclusion without an error it will be him.
The defense will treat the State’s case like a child with head lice. They will nit pick at every little thing. Any little error or misstatement and the defense will scream that this lil’girl was set up and demand Casey’s freedom.
I watched 48 Hour Mystery tonight and at the end they showed a “teaser” that related to the Caylee Anthony murder case. I know the media likes to focus on the defendant Casey Anthony, but I prefer to focus on the 2 year old victim.
From what little I could see they took a mock jury and showed them the “evidence” (from their point of view) and said if you only had the option of finding her (the defendant) guilty of first degree murder and sentence her to death how many would vote not guilty? They all stood up saying they wouldn’t. Well sh!t, they have’t been presented with all of the evidence. Talk about trying to sway the public’s perception.
I noticed Linda Kenny Baden (with a brand new face BTW) spouting off her usual mantra, there is no forensic evidence tying the defendant to the crime. Lest we forget, there is no forensic evidence tying the victim, Caylee Marie Anthony to the crime scene. We know it’s her because DNA was extracted from her bones and a positive match was made. Otherwise, no DNA survived the elements. Surprising after 6 months? I don’t think so.
In my above comment, I meant the mock jury members all stood up saying they wouldn’t sentence her to death, not that they would vote not guilty. My comment was misleading and I apologize.
Terry-I have looked at the visitor logs and I will get a link. It’s only when doctors discuss patients evaluations or disclose confidential information that patients’ rights are violated. If patient records are disclosed in any number of ways or staff read them and talked about them, than that would be a HIPPA violation imo/often times grounds for dismissal as well.
The doctor who worked with Dr Jeff D. is Dr Bern. Drs. William Wietz, Harry Krop,Stephen Gold, Deb Day, and Kyle Goodwin have visited with Ms Anthony (and for long periods of time). Ms Finnel mentioned on 3/19/2011 that she would be calling witnesses relative to “state of mind”- maybe she added Weitz after that.
Terry-If you Google (not using quotes) “When Did Deb Day Visit Casey Anthony” the first one that comes up is from “The Caylee Daily”. You will see the jailhouse log/second section. I didn’t read the article but here is the link:
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2011/03/casey-anthonys-jail-visits-more-like-a-parade-of-attorneys/
If you Google “When did Stephen Gold Visit Casey Anthony” you will see about three articles written by JBMission and about the 4th hit will be the following from Websleuths. The first post written by THINK TANK explains in great detail who and when all the psychologist/psychiatrist visited with Ms Anthony. It is a find!!!!! I am so glad I found it. It will certainly clear up any confusion you might have had.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132730
I’m going to retype that link omitting the “a” in “showthread”.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthred.php?t=132730
If these links do not work simply type in the questions I asked.
Terrytsk said, —————– What are you talking about ….Linda Baden with a “brand new face” ….. that story was produed 2 YEARS AGO!! 2009!
Terry-I also asked “When Did Dr Krop visit Casey Anthony”. Here you will be brought to the Defense Witness Lists-for Guilt and Penalty phases. Muiskman published these on January 19, 2011 and has updated them to reflect when Dr Weitz was added to the list. I only had access to the jailhouse logs but these sites have outlined the times and credentials far better than I could. I do not rely on my ability to post a link correctly. I will try one last time to cite “The Caylee Daily”
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2011/03/a-look-at-casey-anthonys-recent-jail-visits/
you might find the following of interest but I am not certain it will work. I am going to use the original doc from “docstoc”
http://www.docstocs/69472421
Hazaka-She might have been referring to her recent plastic surgery.
Thanks Anonymous. I’ll check out the numerous doctors who have visited the defendant. I assume all health issues will remain confidential unless her defense team brings something up and then it will be public?
Yes, I was talking about Linda Kenny Baden’s plastic surgery when I said new face. If I had lots of money, I might ask for the name of her doctor. LOL. She looks great. I don’t think it’s the same show from 2009. This one is titled “The Defense of Casey Anthony”. Kind of makes a change of venue pointless when the defense is pushing national media coverage.
terrytsk, I saw the promo too, LK Baden did have a face lift. It is apparently one of Jim Litchenstien’s productions, he has been working with the Anthony’s since the beginning on 48 Hour Mysteries, apparently focusing on the Defense’s perspective. LOL, this 48 hrs. will not View it from Competent Criminal Defense Attorney’s that are Death Penalty Experience, they will continue to promote Baez.
imo, it could be to show BEFORE the Trial Starts, the conclusion could be during the Verdict, 48 hours does show a lot of Verdicts in cases, this may well be one of them. They show the family as anxious, awaiting the Verdict, but in this case, the Verdict will be as most following the case know, a Guilty Verdict. Hopefully, it will be an accurate accounting of the facts, LK Baden is still sucking up the Media, she DUMPED this case after a few depositions & reading the expert reports of this case. imo, LK Baden knew KC would be convicted due to evidence, that’s WHY she dropped out, she doesn’t NEED a baby murderer attached to her resume. Lyon’s knew the facts too would convict KC, imo, she too doesn’t want to be affiliated with this losing case.
WHAT great MEDIA it would create if ONLY the Defense could get a NOT GUILTY Verdict in this case, but imo, there is not a chance in hell. Lyon’s & LK Baden both knew the facts & have DUMPED this case because they are business women, they did not want to be DAMAGED by association. LK Baden is a MEDIA HO, she may do interviews but she DIDN’T believe in the case & that’s WHY she dumped it!
LKB has name recognition. She does not have top-notch legal skills. She is a self-promoter and someone with a sixth sense about her own worth. She is in charge of her “Brand” and when she saw the possibility that she would have to protect her self interests (not the defendant) she was gone. All she ever said was that the prosecutors didn’t have any evidence-and everyone who knows this case knows that there is evidence we have not seen and may be withheld until trial. The “sun” doesn’t always shine in Florida. Ms Badan more than likely knows what that evidence is and stayed until her book was published.
Ms Lyon was, imo, worthless. Neither one of them can present an argument unless they are either crying or shouting.
Terrytsk said, on April 10, 2011 at 2:20 am
I watched 48 Hour Mystery tonight and at the end they showed a “teaser” that related to the Caylee Anthony murder case. I know the media likes to focus on the defendant Casey Anthony, but I prefer to focus on the 2 year old victim.
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Terrytsk, CBS plans to air it on Saturday night April 16th. This is a travesty imo because it will reach a lot of potential Jurors in Florida no matter where they choose them from. Is this an attempt by the Defense to further taint the Jury Pool? BTW George and Cindy are going to be interviewed in that show.
You can complain to CBS at the below link. Bloggers have power and can influence the Networks, even Fox. Look what happened to Glenn Beck. 400 advertisers pulled the pin on his show because bloggers started a boycott of those advertisers.
Complain here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/feedback/fb_news_form.shtml?tag=ftr
art tart,
pssssst, Jim L. works for Dateline ABC not CBS.
Oops, sorry, art tart Jim L works for The Today Show on (NBC). I’m so pissed at CBS I’m not getting anything right today.
art tart-I read Ms LKB’s letter relative to why she was asking to be withdrawn as one of Casey Anthony’s attorneys. She may or may not have access to sealed discovery (before it was sealed) but in her letter/motion to Judge Perry she had this to say about how her forensic analysis was complete but that she was concerned about the importance of “constitutionally effective representation and appropriate life-saving advice”. Was she alerting the reader that she was leaving for more concrete reasons than money?
Casey Anthony Attorney Appears on “Today”: Lyon Discusses New Book
http://www.wesh.com/r/22165271/detail.html
Ms Lyon believes that there is a “two dimentional way of telling Casey’s story”. No time at all was spent “telling that story” because Ms Anthony is “innocent” and according to Ms Lyon “Casey will walk”. She went on to discuss her new book.
As a death qualified attorney she had access to all the psch evals and could order all others to evaluate Ms Anthony. She knew the central focus of the case was Ms Anthony’s mental defect/disability-how else was she going to convince jurors not to give her client the death penalty? Both attorneys misrepresent the truth out of the courtroom often and underestimate the listener all the time.
Casey went out and to bars and stole cause the stress was just to great…
Yet she’s able to handle the stress of being innocent yet locked up for years…
She can handle the stress of being the focus of a Trial which may end with her death…
So what stress was she suffering from when she killed Caylee again??
Whoops, you have the right idea to go after the sponsors of cbs’ 48 Hour Mystery. If enough people boycott the sponsors it could be effective but there’s only one week left before they air the show though so it doesn’t leave much time. Thanks for the contact information, I will definately complain. Hopefully hundreds will. I think the same thing should happen with In Sessions or any other so-called “news” show that insists on spreading lies.
Anonymous, LK Baden had done some out of town depositions before she left & some of the expert’s had their reports in. I did not say she has access to the information now, but all she has to do is watch IN SESSION. imo, LK Baden, left because KC is going to be convicted. She may show up on IN SESSION as an analyst but it is just more bull chit we saw with both Lyon’s & LK Baden on the TODAY SHOW spewing lies & promoting their books. YEP! They were so worried about KC they DUMPED HER MISERABLE Case. LK Baden is successful in her own right, she too is married to Dr. Micheal Baden who has had a long career.
If these two women TRULY believed in KC’s innocense, they would not have left the case. LK Baden & Lyon’s complained about their expenses not being paid BUT Bill Sheaffer said if they believed in the case, they would have found the money.
Whoops! You are right, the Anthony’s are “under contract with NBC, GA stated so in his STATE Depo. I figured since Jim L was a producer, he sold his work wherever he could, he makes movies & is affilated with several cable shows.
Doug, I agree with your thoughts. I’m still pissed off that KC couldn’t be bothered with calling LE during the 31 days but she damn sure jerked that phone up & called 911 when heckler’s were throwing pennies at the Anthony Garage!
She was only upset because it WAS only pennies that were being thrown…
Anonymous, are you suggesting in your comment at 2:53 that there may have been a conflict between LKB and Jose Baez and or Cheney Mason? I’m reading it as such. “…in her letter/motion to Judge Perry she had this to say about how her forensic analysis was complete but that she was concerned about the importance of “constitutionally effective representation and appropriate life-saving advice”.
Is she accusing the defense of ineffective counsel? Might one (reasonably) infer from her wording that this “life saving advice” may have had something to do with Casey’s refusal to deal with the state and plead out?
Baden wrote, “I believe in the client’s innocence to the charges and do not wish personally or professionally to withdraw from this case. Nonetheless, because the state of Florida fails to reimburse out of state pro bono attorneys for expenses, I am forced to make this application…”
I find her wording “I believe in the client’s innocense TO THE CHARGES” rather interesting. She didn’t say, “I believe in the the client’s innocense” period. Casey is charged with the first degree murder of her child. The State of Florida is seeking her death for the crime she’s been charged with, those very charges Baden believes Casey did not commit. I don’t believe there’s anything in Baden’s statements that indicate her belief in a total and complete innocense of all and any charges, or to quote her from an appearance she made to Maggie Rodriguez from CBS news:
“We know that our client is not guility of intentional first degree murder…” beginning at 1:54
Okay, Baden. What about Aggravated Manslaughter? Might she believe Casey is guilty of that, which may have resulted in a conflict between members of the defense?
Art Tart, I agree with your comment completely and find Baden most disingenuous. A woman, attorney, of her “means” could certainly afford to continue to represent Casey and would in fact do so, if she truly believed she was innocent. By her own admission, in my opinion, she does not.
uh oh. The whole video showed up.
that video clip/interview was done in 2009 ————-
Autumn and art tart- Yes, I am inferring that LKB saw things that disturbed her and that were serious. I think she was talking about poor lawyering on the part of both “lead” attorneys-Baez and Mason. She did not want her high profile name to be dragged through the mud should this case go south. Imagine a woman who has worked for years as an attorney, married to a high profile ME and both of them paid lots of money to appear on any number of news outlets, both write books and for all intents and purposes are high earners and possibly between them millionaires a couple of times over. This is the same person who said she needed to be paid.
She knows for a fact that any evidence that was compromised was identified as such (FBI tech). How embarrassed is she now that Judge Perry will not allow both x-wives characterizations of Mr Kronk to be admitted as evidence. They told their story and when push came to shove they were unwilling to repeat it under oath.
She wanted the limelight without the heavy lifting-Judge Perry would have exposed her “minimalist” thinking.
The lesser included charge of Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child is the ultimate goal and objective in this case. They are crushing Ms Anthony but it will ultimately be the jurors who will convict her and God willing they will spare her life and convict her of Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child. Ms Baden couldn’t argue the forensics/science or the uphill battle that it would take to convince jurors of anything but the truth. Ms Lyon was intellectually not up to the task. Dowd and others are.
What is it about this case that attracks “pretenders” and not “contenders”.
Hazaka, with all due respect, what she said in the interview in 2009 is no different than what she stated in her more recent motion. I repeat, “I believe in the client’s innocence to the charges” which are first degree murder.
Anonymous said at 8:44, “What is it about this case that attracts pretenders and not contenders”. The pretenders wish to but make names for themselves. The contenders have sense enough to stay away. I believe Lyon was a true contender, but then, in my opinion, she wasn’t really battling to prove Casey’s innocence but to keep her alive in the event she was found guilty. I doubt that she has the resources as does say Baden. It might matter to a Lyon that so much time be taken away from her students and her causes. But again, that’s just my opinion.
Autumn said, on April 11, 2011 at 8:52 am
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With all due respect …. she hasn’t made any motions of late……. she isn’t part of the Defense any longer –
Hazaka-It is important to understand that Ms Baden was a member of the defense team and that it would never matter whether or not the video clip was done in 2009, 2010, or 2011. What’s really important is to look at it today as we move closer to trial. Whose opinion will you take seriously in 2011? When the jurors speak she will no longer say “Ms Anthony is innocent.” She couldn’t convince anyone that she knew what she was talking about in the first PS trial. But she said he was innocent whenever asked. Someone far smarter than Ms Baden proved he wasn’t. Don’t you know “everyone lies…..”?
This trial is all about the lies. The lies helped LE, Judge Strickland and the SAO to charge her with Felony Murder in the First Degree. There is overwhelming evidence of premeditation and Mr Ashton and Ms Burdict will tell you all about it when they begin their Opening Statements. You will no longer be in doubt. You will no longer be concerned with your own opinion but will listen intently when those who are mandated to protect the most vulnerable and helpless begin to tell the story of exactly how Caylee died and how much she suffered. We will hear that her last breath was agonizing and as her organs shut down she reached out for comfort and no one was there. Mr Ashton is a skilled and compassionate defender of victims of crime and when he’s through you will hear the screams of the victim and if you listen carefully you will hear her agonal breathing and ultimate surrender.
The only “innocent” person in this entire case died.
I am waiting for the trial.
Anonymous@9:44. So well said, it’s a shame these bleeding hearts that defend Casey Anthony don’t want to acknowledge what this poor innocent child went through, nor do they care. There is a special place in the bowels of the earth for people who crusade on the back of a dead child. Same for the low lifes who have used her to gain notoriety in their otherwise insignificant lives. To profess to be about justice for Caylee, and then to literally “piss” on her grave is unconscionable.
And while you are waiting please read the following:
http://law.jrank.org/pages/768/Counsel-Role-Counsel-Defending-guilty.html
Keep in mind that “by defending the guilty, the defense attorney protects the freedom of the innocent.” (from section: Making the Screen). Continue to read the brief explanation about how important it is for the defendant to tell his/her attorney the whole truth and nothing but the truth (see Confidentiality and Zeal).
Both Mr Baez and Ms Anthony will learn the hard way that our justice system was never as adversarial as they once might have thought.
Anonymous, I’ve often wondered how many times Mr. Baez has been blind-sided by evidence indicative of his clients guilt that he just wasn’t expecting. I bet the last (almost) 3 years he’s spent defending this woman has been a roller coaster ride. That woman couldn’t tell the truth to save her own life.
Unfortunately for Baez, it’s the nature of the beast. I don’t have any sympathy. Like attracts like. I just think he’s had a few really big surprises over the years as irrefutable evidence has come out. I’m guessing they (the whole defense team) now understand what they’re dealing with here and their working with it.
I’m now going to read the link you provided
http://law.jrank.org/pages/768/Counsel-Role-Counsel-Defending-guilty.html
Gulliverstravel-Hazaka and those who “wait for the trial” speak volumes with that statement. Caylee is dead and that to them is secondary. They wait and hope that one juror will agree with them. Everyone who is a “real seeker of the truth” does not “piss” on the victim’s grave nor do they reach into that little grave in hopes of exonerating the killer. Mrs Anthony did and she did so at her own peril. During the civil deposition Mrs Anthony was asked about the existence of the Nanny and her response was, ‘I never saw Zanny but Caylee talked about her little dog. So she must exist.’
When the trial begins I hope Ms Burdict puts the “mama” doll in a chair at their table. If the verdict is read on Caylee’s Birthday I hope someone sends a Birthday Cake to Orlando and they all sing Happy Birthday to Caylee. If she lived she would be going into Grade One in September. God Bless her little heart and soul.
What would it take for Casey to get Acquitted?
* Time Travel
* World Wide Amnesia
* Better Attorney’s
* All of the Above
http://www.wftv.com/video/27506963/index.html
Bill Sheaffer offers his opinion on the possible defense strategies. It’s very much appreciated Mr. Sheaffer.
Terry-On July 20,2008-the date of the first Bond hearing Mr Baez knew what he was dealing with but I give him a pass on his inability to figure out “who” she was. If you go up above you can read a post I wrote about how he knew that there was evidence of a homicide but that if “they” had enough evidence “they” would have charged Ms Anthony. He said this as he walked out of the Bond hearing. Reported by all the media outlets in Orlando/Orange County. Mr Baez lacks insight and at that moment in time he lusted for name recognition-the kind of name recognition that would somehow erase his reputation with members of the Florida Bar Association. A big case that could have highlighted his ability to negotiate a plea bargain for someone who everyone agreed was without shame or remorse.
Blindsided is a very good word. Yes, I think he was blindsided and it had the same feeling that one experiences when they get kicked in the stomach, are scared, embarrassed and woefully unprepared for the consequences of their own behavior-not their clients. The defendant was never confused about where she was going but Mr Baez never anticipated that his representation and his lack of legal skills could cost him his career. What a high price he paid for name recognition.
Doug-Why didn’t you add “Lost in Paradise?
Anonymous said, “If she lived she would be going into Grade One in September. God Bless her little heart and soul”.
Yes Anon. How very tragic that she never even lived long enough to “graduate” from kindergarten. I have sympathy for George, Cindy and Lee, but I wonder if they ever really stop and acknowledge what little Caylee was robbed of, namely her whole life. They’re too busy trying to cover for their daughter/sister.
God bless little Caylee’s heart and soul.
Anonymous my point was, I don’t believe Baez was ever really sure about the actual facts of the case because his client, the defendant, is such a prolific liar. I meant nothing more, nothing less. I doubt Baez has ever known the details because the defendant won’t admit to anything.
Baez lusted…. absolutely. He lusted for media attention. He lusted for attention from his client, hence the warnings to stop touching his client while in jail. That was not appropriate. Especially when you consider he has a beautiful young wife waiting at home while he inappropriatley touches his client, an accused murderer. JMO.
The interesting thing I read today was judge Perry has sentenced 8 people to death during his career as a judge. Far cry from Judge Strickland, considering he’s a self proclaimed devout Catholic, I do wonder if he even could do it, JMO. It’s a fact he has never sentenced any defendant to death in his whole career. Mr Cheney Mason and company gambled when they forced Judge Strickland’s hand. Careful what you wish for.
http://www.wftv.com/news/27507863/detail.html
What Would It Take For Casey To Get Acquitted?
Maybe THE NANNY coming forward??? haha LOL!
“Casey is accused of murdering Caylee, and then dumping her body near their house. If the defense does present its own theory of what happened to Caylee, Sheaffer believes they’d have the best chance with the “accident” defense.”
“The problem with that is the jury would question why Casey didn’t say so before the trial, and it doesn’t explain why Caylee’s body was dumped the way it was.”
Seriously to even say this late in the game that it was an “accident” is just…ludicrous…..and laughable.
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I have to, say, I have been thouroughly enjoying reading all the comments here the past few weeks. I am “Casey-Anthony-Burnt-Out” and am just reading, reading reading everywhere!
Anonymous said, on April 11, 2011 at 8:44 am Autumn and art tart- Yes, I am inferring that LKB saw things that disturbed her and that were serious. I think she was talking about poor lawyering on the part of both “lead” attorneys-Baez and Mason.
Anonymous, I agree with that thought. Lyon’s & LK Baden are seasoned attorney’s, can you imagine theyprobably realized once they signed on that Baez has spent ALL THE MONEY & the ONLY person that got paid was Baez. Baez’s glaring incompetence & wanting to be lead attorney, has screwed KC, so much damage was done in the beginning. I can’t imagine those intelligent women had to listen to that grand standing & pissing & moaning.
Hornsby was on Vinnie Pallaton today along with Stacy Hanowitz, Judge Alex, & Jean C.
Mr. Sheaffer had that great interview w/Kathy Belich, imo, so much focus has been taken away from Caylee, I can’t wait for Caylee to finally have JUSTICE!
“Hornsby was on Vinnie Pallaton today along with Stacy Hanowitz, Judge Alex, & Jean C.”.
Missed it. I’m curious, what did they all say?
Hazaka said, on April 11, 2011 at 9:44 am
Autumn said, on April 11, 2011 at 8:52 am
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With all due respect …. she hasn’t made any motions of late……. she isn’t part of the Defense any longer –
Hi, Hazaka. Though LKB is no longer “directly” involved, it’s obvious that she is still very much a part of “team Casey”. Her numerous TV appearances in which she continues her defense of Casey attest to that fact. Just last month she was on HLN (Yes, I know who JVM is now!) this month we will see her again on 48 Hours, and I suspect that we will see her align herself with the defense, even appearing alongside Baez and Mason, long after the verdict is read.
There is nothing to keep her from advising counsel, writing the contents of motions for their consideration, or even directly advising Casey. There is nothing to keep Baden from writing to Casey for the sole purpose of advising her, or picking up the phone with the hope of enlightening Baez. She need not be on the payroll in any way, shape or form (tax payer funded) in order to be of assistance to the defense. She need only continue to interject herself, and I am sure both Baez and Mason welcome her continuing efforts.
Good Morning Autumn, et al- Can we go back to yesterday’s discussion and talk a little about Terry’s use of the word “blind-sided”? It caused me to think about why the change in defense strategy so late in the game. I have often wondered why when given the opportunity to accept a mental defect argument way back in November 2008 they rejected it. We know Casey didn’t want it but now apparently she has changed her mind. I did a little searching at Champion Magazine (National Association of Criminal Lawyers) and did a little “research”. I came up with something which could speak to Terry’s observation that Mr Baez was “blind-sided “(his realization that Ms Anthony does in fact have a mental defect/disability). He COULD use it in the guilt phase (see lines 10-16). (Once you see the link you will understand why I didn’t type it).
see Forensic Neuropsychological Assessment and Death Penalty Litigation. It is an excellent article. Google the title.
Another article which is very good speaks to why Mr Baez should never have taken on a Criminal Defense practice without experience.
http://Koehlerlaw.net/2010/08/on-becoming-a-solo-criminal-defense-attorney-right-out-of-law-school/
Here is a link I have marked (A) but can’t recall what it is about but it is from the NACD so it must be good. Here goes.
http://www.ncad.org/public.nsf/698c98dd101a846085256eb400500cO1/
Link three is worthless because I didn’t finish it. For what it’s worth -here it is.
http://www.ncad.org/public.nsf/698c98dd101a846085256eb400500cO1/743eb8fcbdf
I don’t know what this link is but if it doesn’t work I’m just going to stick with articles and a brief synopsis/abstract.
Good morning to you too, Anonymous! Much thanks for the links. I skimmed over and bookmarked the article you first mentioned and will get back to it as soon as I can. It will be a most interesting read!
This is the person that will be the primary spokesperson for the duhfense on the 48 Hours show……
On this interview she claims that R. Kronk is a suspect and that Jill Kerley gave a “deathbed” interview….. LOL.
LKB also said that Casey is the Modern Day Fugitive…. she has no credibility but that does not stop her from continuing to lie….
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/21675305/index.html
Here is the one where Tony Pipitone put LKB in her place about the 17th allele that the trolls like to still rally around…..@ the 3:20 mark
Autumn-Read it anytime. I never click on my links but I’m glad it worked.
NT4C-Remember when Ms Lyon was trying to make the analogy about woman who were facing the death penalty and used the word “whore” to describe the prejudicial (and I would assume probative) value of said term? That woman was a mess and Casey had every right to cry when she heard that. Real tears. Of course she didn’t. I think that was so inappropriate – even if her W2 Form tracked her earnings to a brothel!!
LKB doesn’t mind saying things that are not based on sound legal thinking. I often wonder just how stupid does she think we really are? She’s giving Ms Anthony lots of appeal issues to think about. The only appeal issue in my opinion that is truly relevant is the appeal of her sentence/penalties. If she gets a new trial as a result of incompetence (by everyone) than I think perhaps the second time around she’ll get LWOP and for once consider it the “gift” she didn’t really deserve. I’m going to click on the link you provided.
NT4C-I never saw that video before. Thank you for providing the link. I laughed when they referred to “red flags”! How about red faces! There were never “many searches done” at the crime scene in September, October or November 2008. If there were Mr Miller’s equipment would have been compromised-no horses or dogs were sent or seen there. Not one searcher who walked in the direction of the actual crime scene said they ever went near there-they all positioned themselves away from Caylee’s final resting place. To think that they thought Kronk’s x-wives were “courageous” is beyond sickening. I could say more but I won’t. The interview was great. The interviewer saw through the both of them. For Ms Lyon to say that there was no cause to charge her and then “put on the death penalty” is all said for the cameras.
notrial4casey said, on April 12, 2011 at 10:45 am
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How do you know LKB will the primary spokesperson?? And FYI — this was done in 2009 ——
Hazaka that’s not true. The 48 Hour Mystery show to be aired on Saturday was not done in 2009. May I suggest you do your research and then come back and throw in your one liner comments. I’m not trying to be rude here, but you have tried to correct us several times now. This show was NOT done in 2009. If there were blurbs and statements taken from the 2009 show and added to this show, so be it. This is a new show that was strategically scheduled mere weeks from the beginning of the trial of Casey Marie Anthony accused of murdering her 2 year old daughter, Caylee Marie Anthony, in cold blood. Apparently it’s an investigative piece. That’s what 48 Hour Mystery usually does.
I say your one liner comments Hazaka because you never actually say any-thing. What is your purpose on this site? It’s not to share your thoughts because you never do. Why are you even bothering to throw your one line comments into the mix?
You offer condolences when you hear someone has suffered a loss, such as when JudyPC shared her sister had passed and that tells me you are a caring person. What are you getting out of it? We all have our reasons for following this case to the end. Someone has to love Caylee Marie Anthony enough to ensure justice. Her immediate family members have forsaken her. That’s our reason. What’s your reason?
Terrytsk said, on April 12, 2011 at 2:31 pm
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hello –since I was a radio and TV producer for more years than you’ve probably been alive, I KNOW HOW TO READ THE COPYRIGHT information tagged at the end .. MMIX ……………..
Hazaka- This is what I think. The material/video clips used in the upcoming 48Hours show might have been copyrighted material that was registered during 2009. The new footage will be copyrighted and registered this year (MMXI). Anyone holding the copyright gives permission to those wanting to use it (ie 48 Hours Mystery). Even though the film is “dated” and “updated” and no matter how much we know about this “version” it is still considered a 2011, 48Hours Mystery.
Think of it this way. It doesn’t take much to republish a book. All the author has to do is change something: the title, the forward, add new pictures to his text or add something to the end pages, etc. The publisher can say that it’s a “new” book or a “new” edition simply because something changed or was altered in some way. It’s original publication came out in 2009 let’s say and in 2011 changes were made. The publisher must say when it was first published and sometimes give the reason. EX: Death in a Fishpond, originally published in 2005. Today we buy this book under the title of In Her Own Back Yard (Lemeke, Leonard,D.) It’s considered a 2007 publication.
“hello –since I was a radio and TV producer for more years than you’ve probably been alive”
Really? I thought it was all ready made clear that all of the posters on this site are old, as in really old, old ladies. Sounds like we’re all way older then you!
The copyright information I never noticed. It still is not the same show that was made in 2009. This is a new show.
Okay —- the INTERVIEW WAS DONE IN 2009 ————– PERHAPS THE program this coming Saturday will be new …………..but…. again…………… So — I’m proud to say, I am a “seasoned citizen”…………………
And as a footnote ————————- as a 3 time cancer survivor — I am THRILLED to be a seasoned citizen ………………… hugs to all……………. AND — I AM “KNOWN” FOR ONE LINERS … sometimes, more is LESS —-
“Someone has to love Caylee Marie Anthony enough to ensure justice. Her immediate family members have forsaken her. That’s our reason. What’s your reason?”.
Hazaka, I’m not really a senior citizen. I was only kidding because those of us who shared our thoughts were labelled as such. You, a 3 time cancer survivor!! Way to go! That’s a tough road. I’m so happy for you.
I still ask what’s your reason for throwing in your one liners in this particlular case?
Terrytsk ——————————- as a writer — producer —etc — someone who had to adhere to TIME ….. I learned years ago ———————– less is more!
Hazaka_____ as a human being who doesn’t accept the murder of a child ever —— someone who is trying to understand the possible justification for murdering a 2 year old child while the murderer’s parents make excuses, I can say —— I don’t get it——and I never will!!!—- I learned years ago that you can adhere to time all you want. Murder is still murder!!!!
Caylee Marie Anthony deserved a life. Casey Anthony made a choice when she murdered her.
Hazaka-All professions especially those in communications demand a communicator-someone who can write and speak well. Less is never more -it’s only a catch phrase and an illogical one at that. You say things that are patently false but I’m a tad more kind hearted than I appear. You are the recipient of my kindness – keep it in mind.
Anonymous,
You are very welcome for the links…… I use to follow wkmg regularly early in this case because it was believed that they were the “got to” guys for the duhfense but after some of wkmg’s not so flattering interviews of the duhfense the stories stopped for awhile at that site….
Tony Pipitone did do some good interviews, though.
Hazaka,
3X cancer survivor…. hats off to ya and way to go. As a fighter, i would never expect you to be firmly seated in the troll camp…..
Are you being paid or do you really routinely partake in the kool-aide?
What Would It Take For Casey To Get Acquitted?
A “Mock” Jury
Outstanding article by Hornsby! LOL! Guess Baez has made another fine mess of things, seems its going to be hard for Baez to whine about the publicity in the case ESPECIALLY since he is appearing in the 48 hrs. WHERE did the liciensing fees go from 48 hours? To Gabriel, but did 48 hrs. pay him directly? Just another low life deal from a couple of bottom feeders. jmo.
http://blog.richardhornsby.com/
art tart…This defense team NEVER ceases to amaze me with the undrehanded, sleazy way in which they operate!!
As R. Hornsby said: “Sounds like some more Jose Baez chicanery to me.”
And now there is this from WFTV:
http://www.wftv.com/news/27525942/detail.html
Prosecutors: Casey’s Defense Strategy Not Legal
‘ORLANDO, Fla. — Prosecutors in the case against Casey Anthony say her lawyers want to use a defense strategy that’s not legal. The defense wants to tell Casey’s side of the story through two mental health experts who would testify about Casey’s state of mind. But prosecutors say Casey would have to take the witness stand before that could happen.’
WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer believes the defense was trying to get its experts to tell Casey’s story without having to put her on the stand and face tough cross examination by prosecutors.
“The prosecutors are right on. They recognize what the defense was trying to do and shut it down before it even gets started,” Sheaffer said.
NOPE~They just go on and on and on and on…
I do not think I can stomach that 48 Hours show this weekend. A one sided “mock” trial ?
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notrial4casey said, on April 12, 2011 at 8:30 pm
What Would It Take For Casey To Get Acquitted?
A “Mock” Jury
LOL LOL!
notrial4casey said, on April 12, 2011 at 8:30 pm
What Would It Take For Casey To Get Acquitted?
A “Mock” Jury
LOL LOL!
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I second that!
Bench notes, bench notes. Having read the article you so kindly provided, Anonymous, I have a better understanding of Lyon’s and now JB’s demand for bench notes. But if, in fact, so much could be gleaned from them wouldn’t it be required of both the defense and the prosecution to produce them? Isn’t all pertinent information that would be contained within a bench note contained within the reports?
Hazaka, cancer is a tough beast to battle and I commend you for winning the war, not once but three times, and so hope that you never have to go down that road again.
Good Morning Friends, Well, there it is-the psychological defense but instead of Casey getting on the stand and telling everyone WHAT she did they will get one forensic psychiatrist and one psychologist (?) to tell us WHY she did it. I can understand how it could be done (from reading the article I “researched” above) but now it is, according to the prosecutors, illegal. We all knew that something was brewing but the thing that really hit me a couple of days ago was TERRY’s question about what “blind-sided Baez”. It’s no longer reasonable doubt. Don’t think I have gone “over the edge” when I say I feel sorry for Casey. She deserved better.
LindaNewYork- I can’t type in the link but I want you to Google “Forensic Neuropsychological Assessment and Death Penalty Litigation” (see lines 10-16) This article is from nacdl.org-National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. We didn’t really discuss this yesterday but today it is relevant.
Autumn-The only time I heard Mr Baez mention “bench notes” was when he was questioning Dr Vass. He asked him about his “bench notes” and I assume these notes pertained to his ongoing research or notes about what transpired during the reseach or probably something he found out but possibly never published. That’s just a guess but I would think that if some witness/expert testified incorrectly or someone doubted the expert, perhaps either side can request these “bench notes”.
From what I gather everyone who is investigating a crime has their original “bench notes”. I think they refer to these “bench notes” when they are being deposed and while writing up their report(s). I suppose that if there is something that was overlooked then they can refer back to them. I
Anonymous said, on April 12, 2011 at 7:31 pm
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Thanks for your good wishes …. just want to say –when given only 30 seconds to sell a product or service —- there is a limit on words to make that impact….. ’nuff said.
Hi, Anonymous! I always look forward to your comments, and feel I’ve missed something when I don’t read what you’ve had to say in a day.
As for the bench notes, I will have to dig back a bit to find out whether it was Lyon or Baden who brought up the subject of bench notes. I thought it was Lyon but I could be mistaken. As I recall there was some debate between the defense and the state regarding the production of these notes, and from what I understood at the time, they didn’t seem to be of such importance because all of the information contained in the notes would have been included in the reports.
All of the legalities are little more than Greek to me, so I can be mistaken a great deal of the time, which is why I appreciate coming here so much. I learn so much.
Thanks, Anonymous, and everyone else, too.
Hazaka-Good wishes? I NEVER respond to “surviving cancer” posts.
Autumn-I am as much in the dark as you are when it comes to “bench notes” but I would think that all the lawyers who cross the witnesses will at some point talk about the bench notes if they want to discredit the expert. Lots and lots of stuff is Greek to me as well Autumn, but I have absolutely no problem commenting on LKB’s absurd remark that “there is absolutely no forensic evidence linking the defendant to this crime”. How can she say that when Casey admitted to driving her car to Amscot? If Casey could integrate the reason why LKB is so compelled to repeat that rubbish she might do more than just twirl her hair-she’d pull it out!
Autumn-I found this recent discussion relative to “bench notes” and a definition/description of what they are. Here is the link to CNN transcrips:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1102/05/cp.01.html
Scrolling 1/3 of the way down you will see:
Griffin: What are bench notes?
MUMMA: Bench notes are the back-up notes that go with that final report that’s issued by the lab. So it’s all actual test results and what the analyst is writing down as they’re actually doing the testing before it goes into a nice typewritten report.”
My 7:41am post was a stab at what I thought they were-not a bad starting point but Mumma sure sounds like he knows what he’s talking about. Is LKB really going after that lone little cell found floating among all the evidence that doesn’t connect Ms Anthony to the crime scene? What a chump.
Anonymous said, on April 12, 2011 at 7:31 pm
Hazaka- You are the recipient of my kindness – keep it in mind.
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So silly of me….. thought since you said “I am the recipient of your kindness” those were good wishes…. tsk tsk…
When questioning the Crime Scene Investigator (Vincent I can’t remember his last name) at an earlier hearing, Baez repeatedly asked about his bench notes. He said he did not keep his bench notes. He would take his notes and his observations and transcribe directly onto the computer and that was his official record. He did not save his bench notes and it was not OCSO policy to save bench notes.
I’m pretty sure bench notes could be a scrap of paper or the palm of his hand. It would be like a nurse taking a blood pressure at a patients bedside and writing it down on a scrap of paper before going to the patients chart and officially documenting it. The chart is the legal document not the scrap of paper or notebook they may have used. That nonsense has Linda Kenny Baden written all over it.
When he questioned the prison guard Tammy in her depo about the day the defendant found out a child’s body had been discovered in the same site she dumped her baby in, he was focusing on her writing her observations on a paper towel because she didn’t have paper handy. So what? The official document would be in the inmates records not on the paper towel. They’re grasping at straws trying to find anything they can use to discredit the witnesses.
Hazaka-I know a little bit about cancer and I know one thing for sure-no one ever refers to themselves as a survivor.
Terry-That is exactly how I imagined “bench notes” to mean. I think if Mumma cited above is correct than LKB is more than likely looking to find a typo or something which might not have been recorded correctly for the record. Like the nurse who might have written the BP on her hand or the guard who relied on a napkin/paper towel. In other words I guess they are looking to discredit the scientific evidence any way they can. “Bad facts” were a result of human error. I say good luck and happy hunting to them all.
Anonymous said, on April 13, 2011 at 11:20 am
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A cancer survivor is an individual with cancer of any type, current or past, who is still living. About 11 million Americans alive today—one in 30 people–are either currently undergoing treatment for cancer or have done so in the past.”[1] Currently nearly 65% of persons diagnosed with cancer are expected to live at least five years after the cancer is discovered.[2]
Many cancer survivors describe the process of living with and beating cancer as a life-changing experience.[3] It is not uncommon for survivors to use the experience as opportunities for creative self-transformation into a “better person” or as motivation to meet goals of great personal importance, such as climbing a mountain or reconciling with an estranged family member.”
I think we’ve all been touched by cancer in one form or another. I’ve never had cancer, but I’ve lost loved ones who certainly put up a fight but eventually lost the battle. I think the term survivor is appropriate. Especially for you, having lived through it 3 times. Just surviving the chemo and the uncertaintly makes you a survivor. I wish you well.
Keep reading.
Okay, we’re off topic here. What did every one think of Richard Hornsby’s latest blurb? I love how he says it like it is (in his opinion which I agree with). I didn’t like how he made unflattering comments about our Mr. Bill a long time ago, but I think that little bump has run it’s course.
It’s all about the defendant, Casey Anthony’s attorneys now. What are they up to?
They have gone beyond reasonable doubt and they are up against the science. For so long they had any number of “stand ins” to point the finger at and now they are going after the experts. They are loosing their credibility and it just doesn’t seem to phase Mr Baez, et al.
I read Mr Hornby’s article and I think that for Mr Baez to somehow wiggle his way into getting a jury consultant is no different that when he sent his memo to the JAC for far more hours than he was given by the judge. He does things without a care in the world whether they are legally or morally right. And to think every lawyer in Orlando is watching him. He just doesn’t care.
Can some one who knows —— answer if a lawyer has the right, o0r not to engage a jury consultant????
Jose Baez did. Any defense attorney can do it if he has the money. Most state prosecutors don’t. I’ve had jury duty countless times and never ran into one yet.
The above link tells the short story about how Casey Anthony landed one.
March 18, 2010 Judge Strickland declared Ms Anthony indigent
May 6, 2010 Judge Perry denied Mr Baez funding for a jury consultant
July 30, 2010 JB/DCS/MM/JB met with Casey Anthony in jail. Along for the visit is Richard Gabriel. (see his webpage for particulars)
April 9, 2011 Richard Gabriel is identified as a jury consultant.
see Baltimore Sun for 11/11/2009: “In Unusual Move, State Employs Jury Consultant”
Anonymous said, on April 13, 2011 at 7:03 am
LindaNewYork- I can’t type in the link but I want you to Google “Forensic Neuropsychological Assessment and Death Penalty Litigation” (see lines 10-16) This article is from nacdl.org-National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. We didn’t really discuss this yesterday but today it is relevant.
HI Anonymous-I didn’t see lines 10-16. I do get that in the penalty phase they will present mitigating circumstances.
But Casey should get on the stand and explain her behavior during the trial and then have psychiatrists back her up.
Hazaka,
The lawyers can have as many Jury Consultants as they can pay for. The Judge shot down Baez because he has Mason and the JAC isn’t going to pay for one. Hope that answers your question.
I don’t think any lawyer in the USA would allow Casey Anthony to take the stand. She is a liar and once she lies on the stand Mr Baez is in deep trouble. She cannot tell the truth. Mr Baez would have to go see Judge Perry and tell him in advance that the possibility is very high that his client will lie.
I don’t know why you couldn’t read the article. Sorry about that. Part of it (lines 10-16 pertains to a psychological defense in the guilt phase). Different to say the least. Mr Baez won’t allow mental health professionals to interview Casey so at this point the strategy is moot.
Another day – another strategy. Not much credibilty left.
http://wn.com/Raw_Video_Casey_Anthony_Back_in_Court
You were right Terrytsk. It was Baden who argued the matter of bench notes.
Whoops, or as many jury consultants who volunteer their time, or who are paid by outside sources, such as CBS, perhaps? 0_o
Anonymous, I’ve been sitting here pondering your statement, regarding the defense. “Not much credibility left,” you said, which set me to wondering if there was ever any credibility to begin with, when it comes to the defense, and I suppose there was, and remains to be, if you consider how it is that they all agree that Caylee is dead. It’s about the only piece of evidence they haven’t attempted to refute – thus far, that is.
Here’s yet another interesting article on NPD, so much of which describes Casey Anthony to an absolute T.
http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/dsm-iv.html#npd
But Autumn, Cindy Anthony is refuting that Caylee is dead. On the stand under oath and again in a letter. Once the defendant has been exonerated of the heinous crime of murdering her own daughter they will go out together and find that little girl. I haven’t been over to JB’s Mission Impossible site lately but IIRC there was talk about the identification of Caylee’s remains being inconclusive. Some thing about a missing tooth? Or was I dreaming. Don’t mean to start rumors.
Have you seen now that LKB has oh-so-casually dropped a little bombshell stating that “Oh yeah, kc was lying about Zanny. Everybody knows that!”
Thing is, she could not have said “casey was lying” unless she had kc’s permission to say it. Doesn’t matter if LKB was no longer working for kc, the attorney/client privilege extends beyond that and there is NO chance that LKB would get on national television and breach the attorney-client privilege. So, it tells us that any comments she makes are purposeful and approved by both the defense andkc as part of her defense strategy.
Veeeeeerrrrry interesting to see what they’re really up to here.
I would love to hear Mr. Sheaffer’s analysis of LKB’s comment and how he thinks that plays into the defense’s strategy.
If Mr. Sheaffer addresses this perhaps he will also entertain us by musing over the timing of LKB playing this card right now, one day before the hearing and two days before 48 Hour Mysteries. Coincident? Or conspiracy?
I vote for conspiracy. Of course, they are doing their jobs. Linda Kenny Baden may have officially withdrawn from the case, but not really. By withdrawing, she’s free to go on any media site and offer her 2 cents. Every thing she says will be part of their grand scheme. She’s not breaking attorney/client privilege because her comments will be part of a well-orchestrated plan and I’m sure the defendant has okayed her every word.
I’m curious about how the prosecutors will deal with Linda Kenny Baden’s comments. The Nanny did not exist. Come on, every body knows that! The defendant is a liar of prolific proportion. The statement Casey Anthony is a liar is hearsay coming from her ex-attorney. Couldn’t the state attorneys just carry on with their case in chief? Continue to present the evidence. Casey Anthony told LE and any one else involved, including her parents and brother, that Zanni the Nanny kidnapped her child. Although Mr. Baez is a sorry excuse for a lawyer, his many, many atttorneys that jumped on board are not. Surely to God, they have to have some sort of a plan. How else can Cheney Mason walk out of court with the defendant on his arm?
My question, just because the defendant’s ex-attorney Linda Kenny Baden is now publically acknowedging there is no Zenaida Fernandez (don’t forget the hyphen) Gonzales, how will that be presented at trial unless the defendant testifies?
Could it be that their only reason to release that comment at this point is to work in conjuncture with the 48-Hour Mysteries to contaminate any future jurors?
I guess so Bees Knees. I have no legal knowledge. 48 Hour Mystery is a popular show and I do watch it if I notice it’s on and if the story they’re covering sounds interesting enough to me. The defendant, Casey Anthony, and her family have backed her into a corner when it comes to ZFG. Linda Kenny Baden now going on national TV saying the defendant is a liar so forget what she said about the nanny is not going to cut it IMO. Hey, what do I know?
Terrytsk, well now you know that poor dear Cindy can’t be held responsible for anything she said in the way back when. It was the meds, doncha you know? It wasn’t Caylee’s tooth. Those weren’t Caylee’s bones. That wasn’t Caylee’s hair, nor her Winnie the Pooh blanket nor even her little pink shirt. Per Cindy Anthony Caylee is with the nanny no matter what anyone says, and Baden’s sudden acknowledgment of the nonexistent nanny only serves to benefit the defense in that now they can present Cindy as totally “batty”! If they can prove that Cindy was abusive or otherwise negligent, if only in the court of public opinion (potential jury pool), they can cause Casey to appear all the more depraved and deprived, as a child, whose mother did nothing to rescue her from the grubby hands of her father and brother, but in fact added to the post traumatic stress syndrome Casey now suffers, and so on and so forth.
How does that sound?
About the meds. Do we know if Cindy used any sort of medication prior to all of this mess? Did she take Prozac or Valium to relieve stress? I can imagine that with a hubby such as George and a daughter such as Casey, she well may have.
That sounds pretty good Autumn. That poor little child. It is so sad!
Cindy was asked if she was on meds and if they would effect her testimony…She was able to answer “no”.
I like how Casey was in jail, mad that “No one would let her talk”…Yet it seems that Casey wants “Others” to do her “Talking” for her now…Even from jail, Casey is still able to manipuate others and to make them look like fools.
“Being a liar does not make you a murderer..”
ATTN: LKB ! Being a Casey Defense Attorney, past or present, and making that statement along with your other statment that ” “She lied. Sure. I think everyone knows that that was a lie,”does not make me stupid enough to believe YOU don’t beleive she killed her daughter. What you should have said is “Sure. I think everyone knows she killed Caylee !!!!!!!!!!”
I refuse to watch anything CBS will air regarding the murderer or her the stinking Anthony family.
Can’t wait to hear the “compelling reasons” Jose will spew for lying about ANYTHING when your almost 3 year old daughter is no where to be found and your car smells like a decomposed body !!
Yeah, cannot wait to hear his first minutes of his opening statement.
Bees, absolutely a “conspiracy”.
UGHHHH !!
Surely they are not stupid enough to be taken in by her lies. If they admit she “Lied” about he Nanny, etc. what makes them think, whatever she told them is not also a lie? LOL! Gimme a freakin’ break.
(Can ya tell I am annoyed? LOL!)
But LindaNewYork, don’t you think most lawyers know their client is guilty and still aggressively defend them (I dare say usually guilty but not always of course). And we must keep in mind many innocent people have been convicted of crimes and have had their whole lives stolen from them. A defense attorney’s job is to defend their client, guilty or innocent. It’s a feather in their bonnet if they get an obviously guilty client off due to a technicality or just because they out lawyered the opposing counsel.
It amazes me that so many attorneys and experts have jumped on the band wagon in this case. I mean for heavens sake. It really is cut and dried. There is no excuse for a mother to not report her child is missing and then go and party for 31 days. Ask any mother or father whose little child “disappears” for 31 seconds in a store when they’re playing in the clothing rack right in front of them how they would react. It’s ludicrous. We’re talking about 31 days! The jury members cannot be that stupid. I don’t think they can lose the Zanni the Nanny story that easily.
How many innocent people are sitting in prison right now? These attorneys and experts aren’t offering pro bono services to them. They’re doing it for media exposure. Nothing more, nothing less.
Hey, this trial is expected to last around 6 to 8 weeks (I think). Maybe more? On the 31st day the prosecutors should point out to the sequestered jury members this is how many days the defendant went about her life without a care in the world or without a thought about her “missing” 2 year old child. She partied, went for manicures, got a tattoo that said Beautiful Life, hung around with her boyfriend and friends, etc.
31 days is a long time and I think a sequestered jury will be very time conscious by that point.
Anonymous said, on April 13, 2011 at 4:48 pm “He just doesn’t care.”
Those words sent a chill up my spine. It’s all about him. It’s all about ego. It’s all about self-gratification. It’s all about winning which would go far, in his own mind, in the way of proving his overall superiority. He’s just another narcissist, imo, defending a narcissist, and in the end what will his prize be if not the sheer pleasure of patting his own back or wallowing in self pity for those who will yet provide him an audience?
Doug, but hasn’t she already admitted that due to the meds her testiphony, I mean testimony, was affected? I don’t remember her exact wording but as I recall she was talking about how the meds she was on clouded her memory. What she didn’t remember back then she is remembering now?
Terrytsk said, “How many innocent people are sitting in prison right now? These attorneys and experts aren’t offering pro bono services to them”.
Far too many, Terrytsk. Far, far too many.
Linda, it would take a liar such as Baez to defend a liar such as Casey.
Bees, I am patiently awaiting Karma to come and take a big bite out of their
http://www.wftv.com/news/27554969/detail.html
Hearing Continues In Case Against Casey
“…If the judge does order a prosecution doctor to evaluate Casey, defense lawyers indicated they may not call their mental health witnesses at all, nullifying all the testimony….”
I do not even know what to say…..except LOL!
Baez: “Well, if the state is going to try to refute my psychiatrist’s evaluation of my client Casey, well then, I just won’t have them testify. So there! The nerve of the SAO to question me! Waaaaaa
Hi Terrytsk. I absolutely beleive a defense attorney will agressively defend a guilty client. It makes me sick. It’s a travesty. It really is.
But it’s not a travesty to those who have chosen to be defense attorneys. They’re doing their jobs to the best of their abilities. If they didn’t do their best to defend a client, guilty or innocent, they’d risk losing their license to practice law. It’s a funny system but no other country has come up with a different or better way of doing it. I could never be a defense attorney. Prosecutor yes, but then again, I am so pro-victim that I can’t even begin to sympathize with the perpetrator who may have mitigating factors that made him/her the way they are.
Travesty of justice? I think it depends on the case. If the courts failed (meaning the system failed) it’s a travesty of justice. There is no cut and dried or easy answers. It is what is is. Many former prosecutors choose to become defense attorneys because that’s where the money is. Who can blame them?
Evening LindaNewYork, BOTH Doctor’s are OUT! Baez withdrew both. Guess Judge P had to EXPLAIN TO BAEZ what anyone with common sense would know!
LMAO~! The thing Baez, being the inexperienced moron he is, DOESN’T understand IF the STATE got their Doctor’s to examine KC they could well find:
That KC is a pathological liar & a sociopath! That KC could well feel NO REMORSE & precede to bump & grind at FUSION, sleep around, get tatoos, & make up an elaborate story about what happened to Caylee ONCE she got busted. That’s just a beginning.
KC to this day has NOT shown any remorse, cried a couple of times BUT mostly for herself! at what point do GA/CA BEG for KC to BEG for a PLEA of LWOP.
Well . . . so much for the mental health defense! The DT is back to square one again. Without a defense. I think the only card they have left to play is jury tainting and tampering. Could you see the gears turning in baez oddly-shaped head in court today? You could see him thinking the same thing as he tried to wheedle more time for jury picking out of the Judge.
There are no depths this defense WON’T go for KC. Pretty LOW when Judge P turned Baez Down for a jury consultant for the Fla. Taxpayer’s to pay for, Baez wanted Gabriel! How convenient that Gabriel produced the selective evidence presented to present to the MOCKERY, I mean Mock Jury, he then ask them the selected questions on 48 Hours. A little incestuous!
Guess those Licsening Fees went to Gabriel to pay for his services, i hope the JAC is investigating this & will Gabriel under oath explain WHY he was affilated with 48 hrs. Mystery! DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! It’s because Baez brought him in, one report said Gabriel WORKED for the Defense.
Disclaimer to my previous post, I should have said no other Westernized country has come up with a better way. There are differences in law of course, but the expectations for a defense attorney is the same in every democratic society.
Boy, defense folded like a house of cards today.
Lets not hang all Defense Attorney’s with the same rope, yes some are shady, and sadly those are the ones we so often hear about.
Defense attorney’s have for the most part given us a justice system that exceeds all others.
They have forced changes, making the state always prove their case beyond reasonable doubt, the motto being ” It is better that 100 guilty go free, than one innocent be convicted”
Attorney’s for the defense are the pit bulls of justice, if you ever need one you will be glad they are there.
There were so many sidebars today it was hard to follow. I think Judge Perry is slightly unfair and should think about how he treats Foghorn Leghorn differently then all of the other attorneys. He gives Foghorn way too much leeway. He’s just a man who puts his pants on one leg at a time like every one else. Foghorn’s allowed to shout out things that other attorneys would be called on. I noticed Linda Drake Burdick stopped Jeff Ashton from responding to one of Foghorn’s inappropriate heckles. Judge Perry made the comment, “Come on I said no……”. Jeff Ashton said “that’s what I thought you said”. Judge Perry said, “well” and nothing further as though he was also blaming Jeff Ashton for Foghorn’s heckling. Foghorn should have been called on his behavior. What happened to the $100.00 fines for that kind of behavior? I wish Judge Perry would stop and reevaluate his stance. However, i think Judge Perry is ultimately a fair and impartial judge (when it doesn’t relate to his interactions with old Foghorn). It’s all on tape. The cameras won’t lie. It may open his eyes if he watched those few minutes of Foghorn’s heckling.
Well, I know our justice system is the best, warts and all, and that not all attorneys conduct themselves like these two clowns and all people deserve to have an attorney to represent them, You’re right judypc, I shouldn’t hang ALL defense attorneys with the same rope. Just these two!
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Bees, LOL “..baez oddly-shaped head..”
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Hi art tart. I figured the defense wuld lose on the mental health experts testigying on Casey’s behalf. Another defense strategy goes up in smoke. So now, how will Jose’s opening statement as to the “compelling reasons” Casey did not report her daughter missing go without “backup” from the shrinks? LOL!
Ok Judypc, let me run this up your flag pole. Do you think the In Camera at the end of the hearing yesterday was about a plea deal? I am thinking that since Baez and Mason lost their last line of defense they might have asked for an Alford Plea. I know you are familiar but for those that don’t know. An Alford Plea is where the defendant does not admit the murder and claims innocence however admits that the prosecution has enough evidence to convince the Judge or Jury that she would be convicted beyond reasonable doubt. Casey would never have to admit to anything with this plea.
Now the hard part. With an Alford Plea, could the Defense have asked to reduce the charge to 2nd degree with a sentence of 30 to life so that Casey would be up for parole in 30 years and do you think that Burdick and Ashton would go along with it? Of course the Judge would have to sign off on this type of plea. Casey would be 56 before her first parole haring.
With the hue and cry about the Judiciary budget in Florida, this could be a reasonable outcome save for the majority of the blogging community that wants to hang her from the highest tree in Orlando?
Sorry, meant “could this be” a reasonable outcome…………..
Oops, another oops from Whoops, “parole hearing” :blush:
Whoops, I think Judge Perry gave them the name of the area where they will be seeking a jury.
I do not see the state accepting any deals at this point.
Now, after watching the 48 Hours special I find myself “ANGRY” why hasn’t the court issued a freaking gag order on this bunch?
That was nothing more than an attempt to reach out and touch possible jury picks, since 48 hours is not a local media source it reaches ALL of Florida.
Also, will the court look into how much was “paid” for this little bit of defense propaganda?
I watched the 48 hours Mystery tonight, “Only KC knows.” I am appalled that AFTER Judge Perry told Baez that the tax payer’s of Fla. WOULDN’T be paying for a Jury Consultant.” BUT! Baez has Gabriel working for the Defense! What are the ramifications with the JAC IF Gabriel took money from 48 hrs. for licensing fees? Another thin ethical line for Baez to balance. You can BET that Baez will continue to WHINE for a Jury Consultant, the STATE does not have one. When Judge P ask LD Burdick if they were going to have a Jury Consultant, Ms. Burdick replied, “Your Honor, Mr. Ashton & Mr. George are going to be my Jury Consultant.”
I am going to puke but we can ALL anticipate that Baez is going to do more pissing & moaning about the MEDIA but whose fat a$$ was on 48 hours but Baez with his nitwit sidekick C Mason! After ALL the Media whoring this Defense Team has done along with the Anthony’s is embarassing! Baez takes no personal responsibility for continually shooting himself in the foot with outrageous complaints, imo, this case is sensatinoal BECAUSE of the Anthony’s & the Defense Team.
Pam Bondi did an excellent job keeping the “facts straight” in the 48 hrs. tonight. She did her best to keep from laughing.
Excellent observations and analysis ArtTart! I am in total agreement with everything you said.
Judge Perry should watch that little 48 hour event then come back and say, “well, according to the conclusions of YOUR Jury Consultant, we do not need to leave Orange County to seat a jury”
My damn head was spinning from this bunch of Yahoos crying about the big bad media, when it has been them stammering in front of every camera from here to hell and back.
I PRAY the JAC brings on an investigation about ANY payment to ANYONE!!
If anyone missed the 48 hours w/KC, you can go to the CBS website & watch it.
Hal Boedeker had plenty to say about the 48 hours, he thought it was ridiculous.
=ttp://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/04/casey-anthony-48-hours-mystery-guilty-of-foolishness.html
Judypc, if you read Hornsby’s article about 48 hrs., he wondered IF a defendent is “indigent,” can 48 hrs. PAY directly to someone such as Richard Gabriel that has said he is part of the Defense Team. I DON’T BELIEVE that no one was paid! I believe Gabriel was PAID & I wonder if Judge P will ask him.
48 Hrs. is going to look ridiculous when the Verdict comes in for KC.
Judypc said, on April 16, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Now, after watching the 48 Hours special I find myself “ANGRY” why hasn’t the court issued a freaking gag order on this bunch?
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What bunch? Including the state AG??? She appeared on camera as much as Baez,Mason and the little bit of former Defense attorney, LKB —–
Hazaka, not for nothing, but……Who’s faces have been on camera, on shows and in the press, ad nauseum since July 2008? Come on…
LindaNY —– we were “discussing” thr 48 hours program — or so I thought –
Hazaka, why is everything an issue to you. George, Cindy, Jose, Cheney, Baden, Lyons,Richard Gabriel,to name a FEW of the defense side, and ONE….ONE, AG commented on a defense slanted set up by CBS, and you take exception to that? Have you ever seen Ashton or Drane Burdick on TV running their mouths and whinning.
Do you ever think of the victim? She surely is more entitled to a fair trial than anyone, this trial is all about her after all.
I wonder if Pam Bondi’s statements were just regurgitated or re-spliced from the previous interview she did with 48 Hour Mystery in 2009, prior to becoming the Florida Attorney General. The show had to have some kind of input from a prosecutor’s point of view. Seriously! Otherwise it would be blatantly obvious to any viewer, with a lick of common sense, that the show was nothing more then an infomercial supporting the defense. For those of us who have closely followed the case of the murdered child, CAYLEE ANTHONY, and read the tens of thousands of pages of discovery, we already knew it was a defense team ploy. People who haven’t followed the case don’t know any better. Consequently, they may feel they’ve heard both sides of the story. LOL! Not by a long shot.
Shame on 48 Hour Mystery for their decision to support the defense of an (alleged) child murderer by giving them air time in an attempt to taint the potential jury pool weeks before jury selection. It was farce and I will never watch the show again because I won’t trust I’m being provided with the facts that aren’t slanted to benefit either side.
Hazaka, FYI, in the beginning of the case, the STATE FILED a MOTION for a GAG order, but hell no, The ANT’s had already quit their jobs & were raking in money from their MEDIA TOUR, spewing propaganda about Caylee sightings, Cindy SHARED w/KC in jail videos that she was on MEDIA EVERYDAY, Baez was already making the MEDIA TOUR, sailing w/Geraldo & trips to NEW YORK raking in the money. All any of them had to do was to sell Caylee’s memories for profit & not ONLY do that do that, the ANT’s have continued & are getting ready for their BIG PAY once the Verdict is delivered. Baez vehemently fought the GAG ORDER MOTION & the STATE lost. NOW, when Baez/Mason see what idiots they look like, they are unhappy. DUH!!!!!!!!!! But not UNHAPPY enough to appear to pass on 48 hrs. & had Gabriel PRESENT their propaganda, AFTER ALL, he is a member of the Defense Team.
Just think! 48 hours could have had much BIGGER Jury Consultant’s to address a MOCK Jury, some that didn’t HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT, but again, they promoted the Defense’s position & the Defense Jury Consultant to SHOW WHICH EVIDENCE the MOCKERY Jury would see. You can’t make this crap up.
SNIP FROM ARTICLE:
Each panelist received an undisclosed amount of money from a company that was hired by CBS to assemble to focus group to participate in the show. Although the group said it would not convict Anthony of murder, the panel indicated most would find her guilty of involuntary manslaughter.
CBS exec’s claimed “that they didn’t pay Gabriel any money but it’s those TESTY licensing fees that are always paid.” NO MEDIA OUTLET admits to paying ANYONE appearing on their show, but they do manage to compensate them.
LK Baden, dumped KC & is now going to show up on ANY show she can to PROMOTE herself & make money herself, & hey, who the hell knows what she is going to share! She is at least the first one that has been on the Defense Team to ADMIT KC IS A LIAR!
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/27588579/detail.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/23475771/index.html
Beginning at 18:26 is the exchange between Judge Perry, Jose Baez and LDB regarding the defense request for a jury consultant. Enlightening stuff! Also of interest on May 6, 2010 was the defense request to have all financial records/dealings sealed. Request was denied.
I’m late for work, and have to run!
Great comments by the way!
I have never understood why the defense was not required to show not only the court, but the taxpayres of Folrida how much money they received, what they had left and what they spent the money on. This justice system in Florida is an eye opening experience for most of us. I cannot ever imagine this taking place anywhere else besides possibly California, and it’s a slap in the face to anyone who was ever a victim of such a henious crime. I had great hopes for Judge Perry to be fair and impartial, but for him to castigate the prosecutors simply because he HAS to do so with the defense is outrageous. I don’t get it, and I am glad that my mind doesn’t work like that.
I am left to wonder if it was all just another scam? No discussion of facts, just actors hired to stand up on cue and say the lines given to them. IF there were a real “mock” trial, CBS would have had the participants on their morning show the next day grilling them about how they arrived at their decision. I will never trust the investigative reporting on CBS again!
http://www.wftv.com/news/27602287/detail.html
Defense Wants Someone Else To Tell Casey’s Story To Jury
O…..M……..G Give me a freakin’ break. LOL
How about Casey Anthony tells her own story/lies ?
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HAHAHA…a PAID (mock) Jury (oops, focus group) to aquit her.
And LOL and haha again. After almost three years, Jose STILL has no defense!
Ya gotta hand it to those clowns…they really are good for A LOT of laughs.
It’s crossed my mind that they will try to blame Caylee’s extended family in some way. Not Casey’s extended family. I’m talking about Caylee. She’s the only one who counts.
You got that right, Terrytsk !
http://www.wesh.com/video/17342322/detail.html
This video was posted on another site. It’s from when the defendant was arrested on the fraudulent check charges. Watch how Baez manages to make this about his poor misaligned client. A 2 year old child is still “missing” and he won’t respond to why his client isn’t “talking”. The media consistently gave him air time to spew his sh!t. Notice how righteous he is about his client being arrested, as any suspect would be, with Cindy Anthony wrapping her arms around him. No wonder they hate Kathi Belich so much. She’s the only one who ever asked the tough questions. Not that she got answers but I bet if the other reporters also demanded answers to the real issue, “Where is the baby?” instead of allowing him to make it all about his client, this would have been over a long time ago. Who gives a sh!t about his thieving client? Where is the baby? I do blame the media for providing Mr. Baez and Cindy and George Anthony a platform for their manipulation of taking the focus off of finding the missing child Caylee Marie.
Terrytsk, which fence are you riding? After reading Hal’s blog the past two days, it appears that you are an Anthony sympathizer including Casey. What has changed your perception of what this case is all about. Redeeming Casey or Justice For Caylee?????????????
Also be it known that the “whoops” that is posting at Hal Beedecker’s blog is not me. Whoever it is, is spelling their nic as whoops, lower case. IT IS NOT ME.
Whoops, I don’t know what you’re talking about. I have absolutely no sympathy for Casey Anthony and my sympathy for George and Cindy Anthony is limited to the fact they lost their grandchild. I don’t condone their behavior from Day 32 in this ongoing saga.
I’ll have to check out Hal’s blog.
Great job on NG, Mr. Shaeffer! <3
How did it feel to be UNLEASHED?
I am watching HLN w/Vinnie Poultan & Judge ALEX is on discussing KC’s case. Judge ALEX said from experience: “No matter WHAT THEY TRY, the DEFENSE WILL NEVER OVERCOME the 31 days & party pics of KC, nothing.” He said as a former PROSECUTOR & JUDGE, the jury is NOT going to buy into any reason that KC didn’t report KC.
It’s outrageous, imo, that Baez & KC have taken the case to where it is, incompetence, arrogance, & greed have dominated decisions made by the Defense Team & will until the Verdict comes in. THEN, Baez can finally dump KC & her family!
Mr. Sheffer said this:
As to the predictions: Judge Perry will not admit any statement into evidence that he believes could serve as a basis for an appeal, and a possible reversal of any conviction. This judge has handled numerous first degree murder cases of varying difficulty, none that I am aware of have been reversed on appeal because of one of his rulings. Additionally, he is well read, clever, and surpassed by none in his legal research abilities. So, as to statements made to law enforcement: motion denied. Ms. Anthony was not in custody or the functional equivalent of same, at the time she made her verbal statements. Possible exception: the statements made by her at the end of the “Universal Studios tour” at which time a reasonable person might not feel free to leave.
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I am now left to wonder will Judge Perry roll the dice and allow Dr Vass testimony into trial.I agree he is well-read and clever, does his own research. Will he allow novel science which has never been used in a court of law before?
Curiousity?
Miranda,
“I am now left to wonder will Judge Perry roll the dice and allow Dr Vass testimony into trial.I agree he is well-read and clever, does his own research. Will he allow novel science which has never been used in a court of law before?
Curiousity?”
I could be wrong, but you know what? I believe Judge Perry will allow the testimony of Dr. Vaas in for its relevance. His testimony agrees with the evidences presented, regarding the presence of Caylee’s dead body in the trunk of the car. All known and accepted science was novel at one time, right?
For anyone that hasn’t read these articles at the Hinky Meter, they are an excellent read. There is a library too with a wealth of information on the case on about any subject or evidence.
The stain, which too is some one the most valuable evidence will be presented to the jury as well as the enhanced picture of the stain, Glorious Justice for little Caylee on this GOOD Friday! Happy Easter Friends!
(Read first)
JWG’s excellent article on the stain & the “INDIGNITY!”
snip:
The recent discovery contained a handful of images taken of the stain in Casey Anthony’s trunk. If you recall, FBI Intelligence Analyst Karen Cowan made the following remarks in an internal email dated September 30, 2008:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/03/24/indignity/
Read Second:
Valhall’s article on the stain evidence today:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=886&p=64673#p64673
This is my favorite article by Valhall, she has so many, but BEES KNEES & I have both posted the link as we wanted it to be shared here with out friends. Another great read!
The article titled: $ 200,000, 31 REASONS I BELIEVE KC IS GUILTY!”
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=886&start=100
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I am watching Vinne Polatan now, Tim Miller, Casey Jordan, a criminal profiler & Natisha Lance. Tim is commenting on the behavior of the Anthony’s & KC when TEST arrived to find Caylee & how ugly they acted, though imo, GA/CA both damn well knew Caylee was DEAD, Tim Miller was brought up to speed by LE! I guess CA thought she would control & dominate Tim Miller, but she was stupid again! TIM MILLER SPEAKS & is an advocaste FOR THE VICTIM’S NOT the Murderer or the Murderer’s family.
Autumn-does Bill Sheaffer answer questions here?? I thought this was his blog not that I mind you answering my question. Thanks. lol
Autumn-Remember JP does his own research too. With that said,he’ll have to be the first judge to accept Dr Vass new concept because its still in its novelty stage, surely he wouldn’t want to ruin his reputation and allow an unproven science since I read at another blog that Dr Vass admitted his 468 components of cloroform aren’t published yet which means his testing can’t be duplicated but since this case is already in jeopardy JP may as well allow it. I agree.
Obviously KC will be convicted anyway based on the fact she lied. On this fact any intelligent jury would know that a liar can also be a murderer. lol I’ve never met a murderer who didn’t lie, duh. LMAO! LKB said liar doesn’t equal murderer!! I beg to differ! A liar is always a murderer,imo.
@ art tart,
Who is Val and JWG? Are they forensic scientists? I’m sorry but I’ve never heard of the Hinky Meter. Do you know what “Indignty” has to do with the stain in the trunk? I thought that was a forensic issue. I’m looking for a site that is objective. Do you know a good blog that discusses facts without inserting biased opinions. I’m newbie..lol
My friend from work talks about this case a lot and I’m trying to catch up.
Also, on you tube there is a very thorough video report on the case from start to finish.
The death of Caylee Anthony part 1-15
If you have not seen it yet you should.
well, not to the finish to the present lol it aint done yet
Don’t forget to vote for Yuri: http://www.amw.com/allstar/2011/
Miranda, to answer your question, yes, Val is a scientist. And a thumping good one to boot! If you are interested in the forensics of this case you will LOVE her blog, The Hinky Meter. As art tart has already said, there is a library with a wealth of information on the case. When you go to the site just scroll down the first page until you see the heading “Library” near the bottom of the page on the right-hand side. An embarrassment of riches really!!!
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
Miranda I strongly disagree that the case is “already in jeopardy” and I’m curious as to what you’re basing your opinion on? My apologies if you’ve already stated that ~ I haven’t read all of the comments yet. There is more than enough solid evidence against her, not to mention the ABUNDANT circumstantial evidence which is often more powerful and more reliable that direct evidence. I’m not sure there’s ever been a stonger case.
As for Vass testifying, I don’t think the State needs it but I think Judge Perry is going to allow it in. Even though it is brand new science to a courtroom JP seems like a very progressive Judge. If Dr. Vass does take the stand the jury will love him. He’s like a breath of fresh air.
Pssst…nobody cares to read your garbage over here. Go back to your own cesspool.
I suspect it is time to say goodbye — my sense is …. this BLOG WILL BE CLOSED!
And that would be a shame. Because Mr S has insightful and intelligent comments to discuss, and ponder. Unlike the hate mongers that seem to think this is their home. I hope that does not happen.
Beast said —————————– usually agree with you — but now Ido — this is a an interesting blog ….but …after the crazies took over …. I wouldn’t be shocked if Craig and Bill said … ENOUGH!
Beast said —————— yikes…. meant to say … usually I do NOT agree with yoiu —but ..with this — I’m afraid I do —-
Hasppy Easter Autumn, Beast, Hazaka, LindaNewYork, BEES KNEES, Mixologist, & Morandia,
GeeeeeeeeeezLouise, all this back & forth about MDis a HUGE WASTE. Although I don’t WASTE MY TIME reading the back & forth about MD, I find it annoying to have to SCROLL OVER the trash.
Miranda, You need to read Indignity, then you will understand the “stain in the trunk.” imo, WebSlueth’s & The Hinky Meter are my favorites & this blog as we have all chatted together a long time.
imo, The Hinky Meter, written by Valhall is outstanding, she explains ALL the forensics, & she explains what the Scientist are saying & more importantly, what they are NOT saying.
Lisbeth Salander- LOVE those books and the movies too. Thanks for that link. What is WRONG with that guy!?
Happy Easter, everyone!
I would really like to see that evidence of me being a lesbian. If I am a lesbian, I should know so?
and tell my husband??
to Mr Knechel, please show me? You have my email address. Thanks.
Seriously, people, get over it. Sneaking in on the weekend when the moderator is off…tsk, tsk. Move on.
Ina, no one thinks you’re a lesbian. Your friends are just dredging up old posts to get you mad.
Happy Easter to you too, art tart, Craig and everyone! Hope you all had a nice day!
I came in yesterday to wish all a happy Easter, but saw the BS and high-tailed it out of here.
However belated, Miranda, I appreciate your response to my comment, but don’t agree with what you said about the case being in such jeopardy that Judge Perry may as well allow it.
Firstly, who’s case are you referring to as being in jeopardy? The state’s against Casey or the defense’s? I wouldn’t agree that the state’s case is in jeopardy, nor would I agree that because the case is in jeopardy the judge will allow Dr. Vaas’s testimony.
The science is novel, but so was DNA evidence when none other than Mr. Ashton argued the matter and set the precedent. He will do so, imo, again, using all other cooberating evidences which support Dr. Vaas’s findings, such as all of the witness testimony regarding the dead body smell.
Of course I am no authority on matters of law, but it seems to me that this could be said of the unusually high levels of chloroform found in the trunk as well. There is evidence to support Dr. Vaas’s findings of high levels of chloroform in the trunk of the car, such as the computer searches for chloroform that date back to March of 2008, which can’t be explained away as both Cindy and George, I believe, have denied making any such searches. That leaves only Casey, though I do recall something about Cindy once saying that she searched for chlorophyll that had something to do with her dogs?
I believe that Casey’s cell phone records will serve a good purpose in determining where Casey was at any given time, and if she was in fact home during the time periods in which chloroform was searched for. It might well be proven that Casey was the only one who could have made those searches. It wouldn’t surprise me. And this would be evidence in support of Dr. Vaas’s findings of high levels of chloroform not only in the trunk of her car, but that chloroform evidence that was found at the crime scene. How else would you explain the presense of such things, and how would it be possible not to consider such things pertinent evidences against Casey Anthony?
Having to scroll and scroll through all of the off topic chatter was really annoying.
Hazaka said, on April 24, 2011 at 2:13 pm I suspect it is time to say goodbye — my sense is …. this BLOG WILL BE CLOSED!
OH NO MR. BILL, please don’t shut down your blog!
Good Monday Morning to everyone! Hope you all had a wonderful Easter. Here’s hoping we get HHJP’s rulings today and it will be another good day for Caylee.
Autumn said, on April 25, 2011 at 8:16 am
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I hope he doesn’t …..but ….after this weekend’s trash talk …… who knows!
Val posted on the Hinky Meter that today is the 1044th day since Caylee Marie was murdered. That is one day longer than she lived. Surely the State of Florida will push forward with justice for this murdered little girl and refuse to allow the clowns to continue with their delay tactics. The citizens of this State and quite possibly the world demand justice for Caylee.
casey and her delusional parents and attorneys think all this attention is for them…me, me, me…that is all they see! The attention is focused on a dead child and the punishment due the monster that cut short her life. Once that goal is reached, the creeps that allowed this baby to be murdered will disappear into the woodwork like the cockroaches they are.
Autumn: I have no legal background, but I am hoping that the air samples will be admitted as corroborating evidence to the direct testimony as to the smell in the trunk. I also agree that there is circumstantial evidence that casey made those searches. I don’t think they would be allowed as stand alone evidence.
Great, just spit my water all over the place while lettin gout a big laugh. Why? Because of the following Headline on WFTV website:
Defense Motion Asks To Prohibit “31 Days” Evidence
I know the defense HAS to file these motions to try to keep everything out that points to the murderer, I mean their clients. guilt (or they wouldn’t be “doing their job”), but that one thing ALONE, not reporting your almost 3 year old daughter missing/kidnapped is a verrrrrry big deal. If I were on the jury, I would sure like to know. And if you have pictures, all the better. Then I as a juror will be very well informed by the witnesses as to what she was saying and doing, her demeanor and oh, did I mention the pictures?!!
Ughhhh….get to trial already
Wonder what’s going thru George’s mind right about now ??? If he doesn’t go along with Casey’s plan, Cindy will make his life even more of a living hell. If he goes along with the plan, then he confesses to abuse and murder-but lil’Casey goes free and Cindy will be happy…
Poor George…It’s a “no win” for you, but think of Caylee, knowing that you finally did right by her, it will make the years of hell worth it…And you can always throw that fact in Cindy’s face…That “YOU” did right by Caylee, no one else but “YOU”.
Think about it George, please.
The judge in the Casey Anthony case made rulings Tuesday that are so important they could impact the outcome of her murder trial. The rulings deal with Caylee’s hair, cadaver dogs and possible indications of a tiny heart-shaped sticker.
http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/27677578/detail.html
I SWEAR YOU CAN’t MAKE THIS STUFF UP!
ROFLAO, look who the STATE added to their witness list! LOL! Can’t wait to hear them in Court!
4/26/11 SUPPLEMENTAL STATE WITNESS LIST!
Dr. Jeffrey Danziger
Dr. William Weitz
Can Baez/Mason really be any more STUPID? I can’t comprehend that Mason has practiced Law this long in the state of FLA. & NOT UNDERSTAND that this could happen. You can bet that these two WON’T be telling KC’s story to the jury, imo, they will be sharing “WHAT A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR KC IS & without any conscience” but that’s really NOT news! LOL~!~
Doug- IMO George will never fall on the sword for Casey. He went before the Grand Jury and made it possible for Casey to be charged with Felony Murder in the First Degree. He went above and beyond the call of duty but at the end of the day he did it for Caylee-the one he loved. He knows who Casey is but that does not diminish his love for her-his heart is filled with sorrow and a longingness to see the one person who loved him unconditionally. He knows Casey killed Caylee and he knows jurors will evaluate the evidence and know that he’s better off drinking a fifth than “taking” the fifth.
He certainly will be in a much better position during the penalty phase if he simply speaks the truth during the guilty phase. He will be able to beg juors to extend mercy for Casey should she be convicted. LWOP is a gift.
All I can say at this point is, Whoo Hoo! Justice WILL be served!
Anonymous! You’re back! You have been missed. By the way, I agree with you about George. I believe Casey would throw him under the bus in the heart beat, but he’s not going there; not for Casey, nor for Cindy.
I feel badly for him. He seems to feel that it isn’t in HIS best interest to be as truthful as he was in the beginning.
Craig you funny person, you deleted Concerned’s comment but left mine. Now it makes no sense
Linda, I am not mad at Concerned, why would I be? I don’t follow your logic. Concerned has good reason to be concerned.
Anyway. Mr Sheafffer, I know nothing about murder trials so I wonder about how these doctors are going to be witnesess.
If the doctors say Casey was not quite sane at the time of Caylee’s murder, does that mean she can still get the dp? Will the doctors assume on forhand she is the killer or will they assume she is not? Normally when a person is not sane, he/she gets treatment. They don’t get killed. So if it turns out Casey is not mentally well, will they start a therapy for her? How mad will the public get if she is found ill?
As the doctors didn’t know Casey before the arrest and (a) the period she spent in jail, how will they know her insanity, if any, didn’t start there? Will they check on earlier events in het life or something? How does it work?
When did they examine Casey, right after her arrest or later?
Of course I have too many questions as usual. Hope you find time to write a new article.
I have to say, my mouth dropped when I heard the heart shape sticker residue evidence was in, I would have bet good money it would be the one thing defense would win.
As for the concern about the new science remember this, Jeff Ashton was the first to use DNA evidence, it too was then considered junk science.
Also consider this small little tid-bit to me were I setting on the jury, the most compelling part of the whole “sniff test” evidence would be when the man who is world renowned for working with decomp, say’s ” when I opened the can with the bit of carpet in it, I had to step back, and what I smelled from the trunk months later was the smell of Decomp”
IMO they don’t need the science, all they need is his nose to tell the story.
Good Morning Autumn, Art Tart, et al-I don’t know why I am not surprised that both Drs D and W will be prosecution witnesses. There was also another doc named Berne (?) who worked on Casey’s pshyc eval-I wonder if he will also be called to the stand. At any rate, both are employees of the 9th Judicial Court.
Would it stand to reason that the prosecutors simply bluffed their way through the March 19th hearing? (the hearing where Ms Finnel was attempting to gingerly get their depositions submitted relative to “state of mind”).
Judypc, so if that is evidence, in a next case, someone just can say: “I smelled a corps!” and bingo, case closed? No need for scientific proof. Or is this sort of Justice only for Casey as “she must die!” , as I have read?
Art Tart.
I am thinking the Dr. Jeffrey Danziger-Dr. William Weitz on the State list may be as protection in case Team Casey tries to sneak in her mental state which the Judge has already said “NO” to unless they are willing to place Casey on the stand.
Team Slippery & Sneaky have already figured a way to bring in her past mental issues without the 2 doc’s, they will have Cindy, Lee, and other family all state Casey was abused, I see even George saying yes, he was abusive.
This way the State has the right to call in the experts that did speak with Casey first hand.
Ina, when a man who has spent 20 + years working with dead bodies, I think when he say’s I smelled decomp, it has merit.
The body farm is “The Experts” when it comes to decomp hands down.
You’re so funny Ina!! Smells like corps—must be corps—bingo–case closed?? lol, i hope theres more to this case than that.
Autunm–Didn’t the neighbor see the mother Casey put the corps in the car?????? I read Brian Burney gave her a shovel 6/18 so he probably saw everything. I just read his police interview. He said he saw a green truck in the driveway and he thought Casey was moving out.Where did she move?
Miranda said, on April 27, 2011 at 9:11 am
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And so ….. how well do you speak and write Ina’s language?
Ina-Had Ms Anthony simply placed Caylee in the backseat (between the backrest and in a standing position) and wandered around aimlessly in her vehicle for a few hours (“between 9am-1pm”) until she was certain that organ failure was complete and disposed of the body without leaving any signs of decomposition would, imo, not change the Felony Murder count or the penalties.
The evidence that will be presented will be for the jurors to evaluate. If they decide that the stain in the trunk is not important they will move on to the other pieces of the puzzel that they believe to be significant (circumstantial evidence/facts). They will link the small pieces of the puzzel together and find that a picture will emerge which is credible and logical. They will all be able to make an inference and come to agreement relative to what is logical and predictable given the circumstances.
Even if the scientific evidence of decomposition was not allowed, they always can factor in Cindy’s 911 utterance about the car and the smell of a dead body. Even the defendant made reference to the smell and gave Amy H. her analysis on how “dead squirrels” can get into the engine or the wheelwell.
judypc, imo, IF the Defense trys to pull any bullchit with CA/LA/GA, imo, the STATE will object & it will get shut down. If the ANT’s choose to lie, Ashton will be all over them, if they act as they have in the past, they will be declared “hostile witnesses.” The ANT’s are going to make miserable witnesses on KC’s behalf.
The thing about this trial is that the Defense has a miserable client, a liar & a murderer, too bad they didn’t opt to save her life by begging for a plea. Lisa Bloom was on Vinnie Polation one day this week & was surprised the Defense hadn’t ask for one. The Defense Team imo, is just “Outlawyered by outstanding attorney’s” & they will make this Defense Team continue to look like morons.
I loved it when Judge Alex said on Vinnie P last week that as a Judge, former cop & Prosecutor, the Defense will NEVER GET PAST THE 31 DAYS no matter what the Defense tells the Jury. Jurist will be parent’s, grandparent’s, it’s not likely a jurist will be seated that has no children, the State will fight it, despite all the Anthony’s lies, they can’t save KC from herself.
Art Tart-Within a week after the first Bond hearing in July 2008 Mr Baez visited with Ms Drane-Burdict and they discussed “limited immunity”. As we all know Mr Baez admitted on or about this time (c. June 23, 2008 that there was evidence of a homicide). There was a hope at that time that Ms Anthony would give them honest answers about what happened (she could have made up an accident story at that time).To the best of my recollection this initial plea negotiation was not deriviative and that nothing she said would have been held against her. I asked a lawyer (on another site) that if and when she took them to Caylee’s final resting place and they saw the duct tape (and I am assuming it was part of her initial story) than whatever she confessed and whatever plea bargain she entered into (be it 15 years Aggravated Abuse of a Child) would not have been upgraded to a Felony Murder charge.
The immunity deal that was offered was discussed in front of Ms Anthony-I recall some comment in the letter or in a news report that Ms Anthony was taken from the jail in August to Ms Drane Burdict’s office. I assume at some point there was an impasse and no decisions were made. Ms Drane Burdict in the letter sent to Mr Baez suggested that he speak with a Mr Cocci…….(long name) and his title had “Felony” in it. She had family business to attend to and would be out of the office. Apparently when Geraldo Rivera asked Jose if a plea bargain was discussed, Mr Baez said “Yes but my client didn’t want to do the time”.
Mr Hornsby commented on the plea deal and said that she might have been given as little as 8 years. I find that unbelievable as second degree murder of an adult in Florida starts at a minimum of 20-life. I would have thought that any judge would have given her at least 35 years -life with the special circumstances.
Something dawned on me today, my Mom ask “who has Casey’s car, do the police still have it?”
I told her ” yes, until the trial is over they will keep it, after the trial it will be given back to Cindy & George”
And it hit me like a brick, can you imagine how much money they will make by selling that car?
It would not surprise me to hear it go for a half mil or more to some murder buff nut with more money than good sense.
http://www.wftv.com/news/27693478/detail.html
Judge Allowing Chloroform Evidence In Casey Case
…Casey being told that all the motions failed…There’s a jail video I’d like to see.
Judypc:
George needs that car to deliver pizza’s and to go do the “Caylee Foundation” work with Cindy. Perhaps Cindy could rig up a “Febreeze Drip” in the back of the car to help keep it fresh.
Bill Sheaffer on Today’s Ruling on the Chloroform
Judge Perry’s Order on the Chloroform
I noticed that in Judge Perry’s Order, they have the date that the defense filed the motion as Dec 30, 2011. I am assuming they will amend this Order before Cheney Mason tries to declare it null and void.
Ina said, on April 27, 2011 at 4:37 am
Craig you funny person, you deleted Concerned’s comment but left mine. Now it makes no sense
Linda, I am not mad at Concerned, why would I be? I don’t follow your logic. Concerned has good reason to be concerned.
Anyway. Mr Sheafffer, I know nothing about murder trials so I wonder about how these doctors are going to be witnesess.
If the doctors say Casey was not quite sane at the time of Caylee’s murder, does that mean she can still get the dp? Will the doctors assume on forhand she is the killer or will they assume she is not? Normally when a person is not sane, he/she gets treatment. They don’t get killed. So if it turns out Casey is not mentally well, will they start a therapy for her? How mad will the public get if she is found ill?
As the doctors didn’t know Casey before the arrest and (a) the period she spent in jail, how will they know her insanity, if any, didn’t start there? Will they check on earlier events in het life or something? How does it work?
When did they examine Casey, right after her arrest or later?
Of course I have too many questions as usual. Hope you find time to write a new article
INA! You are insane. LOL! And yo say you don’t follow MY logic?
Where oh where is there anything presented stating Casey is not sane? This is not an insanity defense, you silly goose!
Anonymous, it’s good to see you!
Would you all agree that the prosecution doesn’t need all of the pieces of this puzzle to create a clear picture of what happened to Caylee? In my most humble opinion, the testimony of the witnesses serves but to further substantiate the evidence which speaks well enough for itself:
Computer searches for chloroform.
Computer searches for neck breaking.
Computer searches for shovels, though this one puzzles me! Had Casey never handled a shovel before in her life? Not likely. So why would she need to research shovels? To help determine their breaking point? To help determine if she should wear gloves while using one? To help determine if blood evidence might show up on the blade? What?
31 days missing and unreported? Oh that’s right! She was conducting her own investigation at such places as Blockbuster, Target and Fusion. Oh and she stole from Amy, and everyone else she could, so she could AFFORD to pay the cover charge at Fusion in order to conduct her investigation there. LMAO! NO way can the defense explain that away!
BBL
Hazake-It doesn’t look like Miranda was making fun of anybody’s language skills. Just the statement~I mean OF COURSE it’s NOT, and I quote Ina: “I smelled a corps!” and bingo, case closed? No need for scientific proof. Or is this sort of Justice only for Casey as “she must die!” , as I have read?
One should never assume anything when it comes to the law. You know what they say about the word assume.
mofogo, when something seems like the logical thing to do, then we assume it willl take place. I ‘assume’ you will respond with a negative reply. Would I be correct in assuming that fact?
I expect that the defense will be begging the state to so some plea bargaining. This trial may be over before it begins. Dr Vass will be allowed to give his opinions at the trial as stated in Judge Perry’s Order.
That’s funny, Mainstrem, I was thinking “Plea Bargain” myself, what with all the defense motions being denied. The State’s evidence is going to kill her, maybe literally!
They got nothin’! Except for a guilty client.
Agreed, Autumn!
What about this case and defense has been logical to date?
art tart, in the beginning had Casey pled guilty and claimed it was an accidental death and told them where the remains were, she may have been proved wrong re the accidental death. There may have been soft tissue still on the remains that could show, if the child was injected with chloroform or administered drugs in the commission of the crime. The duct tape would have also still been intact.
BTW, chloroform injected can render a person paralyzed and then dead in just a few minutes. In a child, it would be less time.
Question
Can Casey still take a plea
Don’t you just hate it when you’ve written a post and hit submit only to find that you’ve neglected to fill in the identity info, so your post goes poof! OR am I the only one that does that?
No matter. The most beautiful words I have read thus far on a Judge’s response to defense motion are these:
“With respect to the defense’s Motion in Limine to exclude any reference to the exeistence of chloroform or computer searches regarding chloroform, the Court finds NO legal basis to grant such a request. (forgive me Craig, but)
DEFENDANT HAD ACCESS TO THE COMPUTER and it may be circumstantially inferred THAT SHE WAS THE ONE WHO CONDUCTED THE SEARCHES IN QUESTION.”
Just beautiful!
LindaNewYork, I hope Mr. Schaeffer answers your excellent questions. ArtTart, I believe it’s time Baez go back to selling bikinis.
Anonymous, any one, what imunity deal was made with Lee, exactly?
HI art tart! We posted at the same time.
Inexperience, indeed!
I have wondered, on occasion, if it is CASEY who does not want a plea bargain. IMO, she will never, ever, ever admit she killed Caylee. Never. AND even if she did admit guilt, it would only be to save her own life.
What if Baez did approach her about a plea bargain and she refused?
Lee Anthony was given ‘use immunity’ when he was deposed by the state attorney. He did not need his attorney, Thomas Luka, to represent him anymore once the dep was finished.
Casey can take a plea when the jury is out deliberating on the guilt phase of the trial but I do not believe the state will offer her one.
Evening friends, so many excellent posts, I agree with all of them.
Kim, C O O L Avatar!
Mainstreamfair, Ashton has said they haven’t offered a plea & imo there won’t be one forthcoming. The STATE is the voice for Caylee Marie, Caylee needs her day in Court & the public needs to see the dots connected & exactly the spitefulness of her mother, the ANthony’s need to come to terms with exactly what their daughter did to Caylee They claim they want to know the truth BUT imo, they have KNOWN the truth since the beginning, hence the lying & cover up for KC. There is absolutely NO ONE in the world that wanted to get rid of Caylee but her sorry mother, the liar, 6 X’s felon, & murderer.
The DEFENSE can BEG for a plea to the bitter end, they may well surprise us & beg as the Defense will possibly be able to read the Jury as they will have Richard Gabriel helping them. They will watch the faces of the jurist as they look at the autopsy photos of Caylee’s little skull, pictures of the hair with the duct tape sill attached, it will be horrific, all eyes will be on KC.
LindaNewYork, There was a Linda New York that called into Vinnie Poultain on HLN on KC’s case today, LOL, was it you? She had passion!
mainstreamfair, Thomas Luka accompanied Tubesocks when he had to testify on the 911 calls CA made, her excited utterances. It might have been mrerly a courtesy on his behalf.
Kim, imo, KC can STILL BEG for a PLEA but there is absolutely no reason for the STATE to offer one.
autumn, yep, Baez won’t be making all the $$$$$ he thought he would make from this case, he too will be facing, imo, problems w/the Fla. Bar Assoc.
art tart, I think the state put that DP back on the table in April/09 to insure that they will get at least, LWOP for Casey. Judge Perry makes the final decision and from all accounts, he does not shy back from dishing out the DP. I didn’t know Tom Luka was with Lee at the hearing re the 911 calls. Lee probably cannot afford to keep Luka on retainer for a long time. Thanks for letting me know. I wish they would release Mallory Parker’s deposition and Dominic Casey. Jury selection is less than 2 weeks away now so there are still lots of loose ends to clear up.
Do you think the judge will allow Geo and Cindy to attend all of the trial?
I don’t see what looking for chloroform on a computer is evidence to this case, as it is no way sure how Caylee Anthony died. If Casey had googled axes one day, would that be seen evidence as well? You can put things together to construct evidence, but that doesn’t make evidence.
If Casey bought chloroform on internet, it would have been traced as well I suppose. If she bought it in a shop, wouldn’t anyone remember her buying it?
LINDA! I am not insane. Go wash your mouse.
ps Linda, if a psychiatrist is witnessing, for the defense, I take it it is about Casey’s mental health. To see she can be hold responsible for what happend to Caylee? Such info is usually not published I think till after the conviction for privacy reasons, well law may be different in Florida, I am no expert.
If the defense can make it plausible Casey was not in her right mind anyway at the time of the missing and death of her daughter, could she still be convicted and sent off to be killed by law as preferred by the State on the mere evidence they have, like googling for chloroform, etc.? It would be another DP scandal of course. Well not in Florida itself. Last year the State of Florida sent a man to death who had a very low IQ and was by no means responsible for what he had done. No one with political power in Florida seems to mind much?
http://thejbmission.wordpress.com/2011/04/24/anthony-ramsey-commonality/ JB is doing a great job and without the hysterical drama that would make it unethical.
Ina said, on April 28, 2011 at 3:46 am
LINDA! I am not insane. Go wash your mouse.
Ina, that was funny!
Isn’t anyone “not in their right mind” when they murder their child? Yes, there are some. But NOT in this case.
Yeah, mainstream, good question about Cindy and George. I think I said here, very pathetic they are playin “the victim card” and then will sit on the defense “side”. As usual their hubris is showing in that motion. Always feel they are deserving of special privelages. That judge on Wesh doesn’t think it will fly. But who’s to stop them from watching on TV or online???
No, art, that wasn’t me. I would have told ya!
Thanks Art – those are my beautiful grand babies, Bub and Abby
Thanks for the info as well, it is what I suspect as well
Linda, how do we know Casey was or was not in her right mind at the time of the crime, (if it was a crime and not a natural death? It is no crime to leave a dead body unattended in Florida. But it is not even sure she left the body there, as it is evident it was placed there after she went to jail. Read Snoops interesting comments on The JBMission.) Being insane can last a very short while. Maybe she lost her memory ? I wonder if that could have happend. Drugs can make you loose your memory of a certain period, even alcohol can. Who knows.
Art Tart and Autumn, et- There is no turning back now-it is abundantly clear to me that Ms Anthony relied on her ability to make “good judgements” and continuues to make them as we blog today. The first one was killing her child and the second was getting Mr Baez to represent her. Did she deserve this type of (mis)representation? Some would argue that she did. I think she deserved the very best lawyer-sadly she let Mr Lenamom go on the advice of her counsel. What a sad day for Casey Anthony. And to think he will be on InSession this morning talking about the law and the implications for his client. It kind of makes me want to cry out loud.
msf-Prosecutors had evidence of premeditation prior to finding the remains. Had they never found the remains the circumstantial case would still be very solid. The fact that Chorloform was found in the trunk would have allowed jurors to make an inference and the stain ( prosecutors could convince jurors that it was a child in a fetal position). *Ms Anthony put white trash bags in trunk atf.
On April 9 the DP was put back on the table. There was evidence supporting the HACs. It would not have mattered that soft tissue was never found or that there was no way to do any toxicology. They found the murder weapon.
Wow, if there is “evidence” the body was put there after Anthony jailed, then gosh she must have put it there when she was out on bond….wonder if she had help or a diversion so she could do it….she sure had opportunity when out on bond….
Actually, there is NO, NONE, NADA, evidence the body was placed there while Anthony was in jail…just more bs from the defense and it’s hacks to claim there is such evidence…
The place was searched and found clear. No body found till December, when the person who originally reported the body to be on that spot, again found it. Of course that is only evidence for those who want to see it as is.
And here we go again….defense has offered not one witness who states the area was searched and cleared…
stop your usual lies….
and even if the area was “cleared” then anthony had opportunity when out on bond to place the body there….
See, no matter how you slice typical defense bs, it never adds up, it never passes the logic test….of course we could all pretend anthony was never out roaming around when free on bond allowing her opportunity to “place” the body in a previously “cleared” place….LOL….
Let’s go with the defense hack bs for a moment…
Gosh, since Anthony was out on bond till mid October…..and since the area was “cleared” months prior to that time frame…then gosh that means anthony was out free and had a chance to place the body after she felt she could get away with it since that area had been “cleared”
Some people play the devil’s advocate to get attention. Ahum.
I think Judge Perry will let Dr Hall, the plant expert give his ‘opinions’ at the trial. We should get that Order today sometime. The port mortem hair banding and the chlororform along with the duct tape, 31days and decomp odor in the trunk will get Casey the lethal injection.
*post mortem sry
Ina, how many deaths from natural cause’s is the body found triple bagged, duct taped, and dumped in a wooded area?
I would venture to say, “Most” death by natural cause’s result in (1) the parent or person on hand dials 911, and begs, screams, cries for HELP!!
Most mothers who’s child dies, does not bag them up dump them off on their way to the stripper pole.
Am I assuming correctly to think that the Anthony’s will not be allowed in the courtroom until both have testified? If they aren’t to hear the testimony of one another, will they be sequestered, with as many constraints as the jury, if they are both unable to testify on the same day? I can see Baez or Mason dragging out the testimony of one or the other so that it goes into a second day, giving the one the opportunity of going home, turning on the TV and watching the replay of the testimony given. This seems to present quite a problem to me.
Actually, I don’t think the Anthony’s should be allowed to hear the testimony of any of the witnesses prior to giving their own. For example, knowing that Amy and Cindy drove to Tony’s together and conversed during that time, if Amy was to take the stand before Cindy what’s to keep Cindy from lying about what was said during that car ride? Wouldn’t the goal of Cindy and the defense be to discredit Amy, and couldn’t that be better accomplished if Cindy heard what Amy said?
I’d like to see the Anthony’s fully sequestered until all of them have given their testimony. But what are the chances of that? Has it ever been done?
Anonymous, I agree with you that Casey Anthony deserves better than she has chosen for herself when it comes to Baez. All of the good attorneys have come and gone, none wanting to be accountable to Baez perhaps? Stupid is as stupid does, which isn’t to say I believe Casey’s stupid, she’s just no good common sense.
Instant gratification seems to me to be the driving force behind so many things she does, like stealing from those who considered themselves closest to her, or hopping into bed with just any body. Her mantra could be “I want, I take, I get, and I get away with it all.” But not this time. Even a well seasoned lawyer wouldn’t have been able to get her off all charges, though a far more astute attorney may have been able to get her to plea. I wonder if Baez every seriously asked her to.
I don’t watch In Session. Too many commercials and besides, the sight of Baez, these days, turns my stomach. I’m waiting for them to beg the state to accept a plea. With all of the evidence stacked against them that will be presented to the jury, it would certainly seem in their best interest to do so. On bended knee.
Ina, I don’t believe Casey is insane. I believe she’s a sociopath. Perhaps even a narcissist. Maybe both, but certainly not insane. Jeffry Dahmer was insane, in my opinion, and still received the death penalty. Cooey. Bundy. What was that woman’s name in FL who received the DP for killing her lovers, recently? Wasn’t she a narcissistic personality?
Oh, and FYI Ina, I live in Florida, I am telling you the area “was NOT” cleared, the area where that baby lay was under water.
Defense has tried to float a couple of nut case’s to say they searched there, but every time they have been PROVEN liars.
That child lay in that trash lot for months, while her mother of the year slid down every pole in Orlando.
Insanity pleas do not work 99% of the time.
Ina said “I don’t see what looking for chloroform on a computer is evidence to this case,”
That in itself would not have been evidence, Had they not found very high levels of it in the trunk of that car.
And No, a wet swimsuit would not result in levels that high.
Okay — besides the fact that cholorform is EVERYWHERE in the environment ——- it does NOT last for months —–
“Chloroform evaporates very quickly when exposed to air. Chloroform also dissolves easily in water, but does not stick to the soil very well. This means that it can travel down through soil to ground water where it can enter a water supply. Chloroform lasts for a long time in both the air and in the ground water. Most chloroform in the air eventually breaks down, but this process is slow. The breakdown products in air include phosgene, which is more toxi than chloroform, and hydrogen chloride, which is also toxic. Some chloroform may break down in soil. Chloroform does not appear to build up in great amounts in plants and animals, but we find some small amounts of chloroform in foods.”
Judge Belvin Perry has been spotted talking with another chief judge in Palm Beach County,
Judy: So?
Judy, the area was not under water. Ask Snoops, she lives there.
The fact there was ductape found on the corpse, says nothing about the cause of death.
The destroyed ductape will be evidence, how are they going to do that? Does the State really think the jury is stupid and will buy the bs the prosecution has been trying to feed the public? Just because the defense is not a real great team, it doensn’t meant the accused is proven guilty. If she had done it, she would have made sure there was a plea. But she seems to be convinced she didn’t do it. That means she might have spoken some truth amongst her lies. Maybe there was someone taking ‘çare’ of Caylee afterall.
There will always be doubt if this is what the evidence is suppose to be. Lots of doubt, and no one would send an accused person to get killed, based only on what we have learned so far. And sleep peacefully at night.
Judypc ———- you said: “…I would venture to say, “Most” death by natural cause’s result in (1) the parent or person on hand dials 911, and begs, screams, cries for HELP!!
Most mothers who’s child dies, does not bag them up dump them off on their way to the stripper pole.”
WELL, U JUST MIGHT BE CORRECT –so r u moving to the defense side???>?>?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/pb-casey-anthony-judge-20110428,0,2916962.story found what judy meant. The jurors might be selected from there.
Ina,
that article you provided the link for at JBM is actually making the suggestion that Jon Benet Ramsey’s murderer and Caylee’s murderer is the same murderer. Read the end.
I should create a blog just to list crazy, illogical, delusional, and untrue chit missionites say…
the list would be long.
maggie I have no clue what link that would be really. I could not find it. But there has never been any clue that if this was a murder, the murderer didn’t kill before, now has there?
Hi Pig. So nice to have you join in. SOmehow you remind me of a blogger who is into watersports.
Talking about untrue chit, has anyone seen this on Hal Boedeker? Jenny said:
“I’m not convinced that there was no nanny. Illegal aliens will sometimes use someone elses identity for purposes such as work, school or living arrangements.”
Autumn-You always put together a cogent argument when you post-it never deviates from the known and your analysis is always straightforward and honest. Long posts never deter me from reading especially when they are interesting. None of us assumes for a moment that we know with any certainty what the outcome(s) will be. I would say that knowing the future would make living in the present very difficult ! That’s why discussing this case and the applications of the law and implication(s) for this defendant continue to keep us on our toes and open to new ways of looking at how the rule of law applies (i.e. for victims of crime during pretrial and during the guilt phase). Disputing what has been proven and accepted as fact never leaves you with unanswered questions. I appreciate you, art tart, LindaNewYork, Judypc, kim and BeesKnees for always keeping the conversation relevant and respectful. I always walk away learning something new.
In answer to your question I would say, imo, both Mr and Mrs Anthony as designated next of kin will be allowed into the courtroom to hear for the first time what actually happened to Caylee. We know they have acted like out- of -control surviving victims of this horrific crime but now it is their time to sit and be quiet and listen to the screams of their darling, vulnerable and abused grandchild. They will weep copious tears but when the trial is over they have the option of picking up the pieces of their broken lives and moving on-maybe even moving out of Orlando.
Ina and Hazaka-For the record this is a Felony Murder trial that is going forward WITHOUT a mental health defense. Understanding the facts that were revealed in discovery does not necessitate that anyone “take sides”. Is one “side” simply a chorus of nonbelievers and the intellectually flawed? Is your “enemy” on the “side” of the facts that cannot be disputed so therefore anyone who has the “courage” to discount the facts without “hystetrical drama which is not unethical” somehow can be characterized as “doing a wonderful job” when it comes to deflecting blame and punishment? Isn’t that what Casey Anthony does? This is clearly undisciplined thinking void of any integrity and grounded in nothing more than demeaning and degrading and insulting the many fine men and woman who have worked tirelessly on this death investigation since day one.
We are a country of laws and the ability to make decisions based on those laws. These laws are not enacted in isolation of the common good but because of it. We are a society that values life and we have laws in place that protect our communities from those who do not abide by the right to life. It is also important to understand that our system of justice is NOT as adversarial as one might think-there are remedies that seek to rehabilitate and mitigate murder if it is designated as a crime of passion. “Taking sides” is for splitters-not for those who wish to understand that there are consequences for all of us should we allow our lives to become unmanageable. No one should deny anyone justice – that is why Ms Anthony is going to trial. She is going to “stick to her story” and her attorney is going to “tell her story” warts and all and at the end of the day jurors will put the pieces of her life together and decide whether or not the victim’s last day on earth was spent with her mother at her side.
When you talk about this case “lift up this precious victim” and make her real in your own mind. Discuss the case without taking sides but understanding why the rule of law applies to those who break them.
in reply to this: “Ina and Hazaka-For the record this is a Felony Murder trial that is going forward WITHOUT a mental health defense. Understanding the facts that were revealed in discovery does not necessitate that anyone “take sides”. Is one “side” simply a chorus of nonbelievers and the intellectually flawed? Is your “enemy” on the “side” of the facts that cannot be disputed so therefore anyone who has the “courage” to discount the facts without “hystetrical drama which is not unethical” somehow can be characterized as “doing a wonderful job” when it comes to deflecting blame and punishment? Isn’t that what Casey Anthony does? This is clearly undisciplined thinking void of any integrity and grounded in nothing more than demeaning and degrading and insulting the many fine men and woman who have worked tirelessly on this death investigation since day one. ”
? Now this is interesting. Where am I insulting many fine men and woman etc? I just said that JBMission has a great blog without hysterical drama. The rest is coming from your mind.
If the defense asked a psychiatrist or 2 to be witness, then I think it is logical to assume they will want to discuss the mental state of the accused, and if she is not well, this surely has consequences for whatever she is found guilty of?
Anonymous —-and Ina ————-
All I can say is …………..HUH????? Are you for real???? NOT ALL OF THE ‘DISCOVERY ‘ aka INFORMATION has yet been released! There will be a trial, albeit skewed since the aldulterous judge in on the bench!
hazaka, I said: ” Lots of doubt, and no one would send an accused person to get killed, based only on what we have learned so far. ”
Your last sentence I don’t get, sorry.
Ina said, on April 28, 2011 at 4:46 pm
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Okay — my reference is …. Judge Belvin carried on an affair with a subordinate — since he was/is married, he is committed aldultry — I have very little faith in those kind of people… and by “skewed”, I meant …. slanted — not straight up …and the reason I included you …. is I just wanted you to see my comment …and not that I disagreed with what you posted …………
Oh I see
Normally I would say: What a judge or president or any other person does in his free time is not important to how he is in his profession, but this is taking place the USA and things are different where you live. Because I remember when Clinton had an affair and it was big trouble, so I suppose the judge is in trouble here too.
Hazaka,
It is comments like the one you just made about adultery that make people question all you say. I guess you are pure and unblemished and are able to cast stones at others.
For all you know, Baez, Cheney or any of the defense team could have had affairs. Would you then label them the same. Baez did not get admitted to the bar for 8 years on moral clauses, including not paying child support. Has that changed your opinion of him ?
Both Baez and JP’s indiscretions happened years ago. IMO, if they have made themselves right with their God, their family and those who employ them, what business is it of ours.
In this world it is hard to find a “perfect person”, if you only trust those who have done no wrong the world would be a limited place indeed.
Hazaka said:
Okay — my reference is …. Judge Belvin carried on an affair with a subordinate — since he was/is married, he is committed aldultry — I have very little faith in those kind of people… and by “skewed”, I meant …. slanted — not straight up …and the reason I included you …. is I just wanted you to see my comment …and not that I disagreed with what you posted …………
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Hazaka, Is this a joke? You can’t be serious, ROFLMAO! LOL! We have ALL furnished you with the reasons the Fla. Bar with held Baez’s license for 8 yrs… The Fla Bar listed as some of the reasons: two failed bikina shops, financial irresponsibility, renting a Miatia when monies were owed to so many debtor’s, years of arrear’s in child support payments for ONLY one child, sued by a legal stenographer for unpaid services! That’s ONLY A FEW! Finally, those that Baez owed money, just started REPORTING his sorry fat a$$ to the Fla. Bar. Lack of moral character was too mentioned as another reason he was denied.
When the Fla. State Board FINALLY allowed Beaz to practice law, he continues to display the same lack of moral character. He continues to be a Liar, Hazaka, do you need examples of his blatant lying in Court? It wasn’t lost on the STATE or Judge P. Baez continues to be financially irressponsible with not one but two houses in foreclosure. Can you imagine, with 3 yrs. legal experience, he purchases a $600,000 house, which he lost in foreclosure along with the other one. Guess he thought KC was really going to pay off, but he was stupid again. LOL! You have taken up for this idiot since you appeared on this blog, perhaps you relate to his character! Most find his moral character dispicable, consider him a POS!
Hazaka, if you read ALL of the accomplishments of Judge P that were in the article of the Orlando Magazine last month, he stated “that was the biggest mistake of his life,” he has since been elected CHIEF JUDGE for many years, many elections. I am SURE you didn’t bother to read although the link was furnished many times.
Hazaka, you have made so many excuses for the POS grandparent’s of Caylee Marie, you have plenty of excuses for bottom feeder’s, those that continue to live off their murdered grand daughter, they are getting reading for a BIG PAYDAY! Then maybe they will shut effing up & go away. Do you relate to the lies they have told, covering for a murderer, obstructing Justice, well MOST people too find their moral charater dispicable, after all, Caylee will receive JUSTICE despite their efforts, NOBODY will forget what they contributed with their lies.
It’s sad to see that you want to criticize a Judge but have repeatedly taken up for Baez, the grandparent’s, imo, your moral character may be skewed. You are comfortable MAKING EXCUSES for those without moral character, although Judge P has said how much he regretted it, we continue to watch the Anthony’s & Baez make complete idiot’s of themselves without ANY conscience. They sure as hell don’t admit to lying, the funny thing is, we just watch them over & over reported in the MEDIA.
Art tart I agree with everything you’ve said. Speaking of moral character we have all seen how much of that Casey possesses. What was it, hours after SHE said Caylee was missing she was renting movies. Dancing, grinding, drinking, all while her daughter was missing. Some kind of moral fibre character there. Lying to the cops who were trying to find her daughter I mean COME ON and there are some (jbmission) who actually try and regurgitate that crap! Playing devils advocate is one thing, but geez common sense has to be there somewhere.
Anonymous, art tart, Shelly, Autumn, judy: GREAT comments and responses.
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Hazaka, Ina-I was going to comment on your comments…but just not worth it. Everyone else here said it with much more intelligence than I can muster up for you two.
JBMission……Puhleeze!
Evening Beast & LindaNewYork,
Seems some are relentless when making excuses for KC’s POS attorney’s & parent’s, I can’t believe Ann Finnell is still associated with the case, guess it is too late for her to walk away.
imo, the Anthony’s will NOT be allowed in the Courtroom, they certainly don’t deserve to. What nerve they now play the VICTIM CARD when they have NEVER even demanded JUSTICE for Caylee, they are proven liars, CA has changed her story so many times I have lost count. It would seem they would prepare themselves for being thrown under the bus & being the painted as the sorriest parent’s as they will be described during the penalty phase by KC’s friends. The day of reckoning for this family is nearly here. This trial is about the murder of a precious child, It’s damn time the FOCUS is put on the VICTIM & off the drama the family & KC created.
Bravo, art tart. Beautifully said.
I love your comment too, anonymous. You both have far more patience than I do.
Ina, I do not need to ask about the water, I too am a Floridian, and I too saw first hand how much water tropical storm Faye dumped, I refuse to yet again debate this subject with you as you simply refuse to listen to anything that does not fit you’re little box of idea’s, simply wait until the matter comes into court and we shall see by the evidence if that area retained water.
The A’s I’m sure will raise a stink and claim as family of the victim they have a right to be in the courtroom, “but” being witness’es by law they can not be in the courtroom until after they have been called to the stand.
I’m sure team Sneaky & Snaky have had them in their office drilling them for some time now so they can get their stories down to a well tooled act.
Cindy’s memory that was sketchy just hours after finding the car, that was much improved 3 years later will be sharp as a tack.
George will have that pouty face and dry cry down along with his fained anger, maybe he will jump out of the witness chair and attack some elderly women to show his abusive side that he will admit to, which caused Casey to be to fearful to report her daughter’s death.
They will both play the poor me card to the point that we will all blow chunks.
Morning BEES KNEES & judypc,
Hazaka, I was thinking about a couple of those that you probably admired that were notorious flanderers, John F Kennedy & former President Clinton, LOL, but you want to pass judgement on Judge Perry, see how stupid your remark sounds? Put it in context, the Defense got the JUDGE they deserved, Hornsby said they would regret the day they got rid of Judge P, well hey, some say they got the JUSTICE they deserve, a respected Chief Judge that isn’t playing games with Dumb & Dumber… TOO MANY former preseident’s to list as those that committed adulty, were “ADULTERER’S as you said,” but did you think that a “hummer” in the OVAL OFFICE of the US after LYING to the American people that he “didn’t have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky” constituted sex? ROFLMAO! LYING to the American people I am sure is another one of those ridiculous things Hazaka you seem to always justify & make excuses for. .
Hornsby said a year ago that they would not be allowed into the courtroom because of Fla. Law & their participation in the trial, that the STATE & the Defense would have to agree. I would think the STATE would just start listing all the lies of the Anthony’s, Judge P has watched CA lie in his Courtroom, he doesn’t believe her! The Anthony’s deserve the respect they have given Caylee, ABSOLUTELY NONE imo. If the WHOLE family had not LIED about Caylee’s father, he would be sitting on the front row BEHIND the STATE, but hey, just another freakin lie from the self absorbed family, the Anthony’s! I hope they are forced to watch it on IN SESSION at home & NOBODY will care about the eyeball rolling, fake tears, the the drama, maybe they can just perform for Lee & Mallory!
It is truly amazing how a number of folks here twist and turn words into their own meaning and interpretation….. Many make decision based on personal need. In no way have I offered opinion; just facts.
—–and yes, I have problems with adulters …. who finds that acceptable? NOW THAT IS AN OPINION! Rarely, do I offer one, contrary to most here….. I usually raise question.
sorry — no spell check —- simply, I do have problems with he/she or breaks a marriage vow which I hold in high regard.
I don’t think ina has any credibility left. This statement:
“Ina said, on April 28, 2011 at 3:57 am
Last year the State of Florida sent a man to death who had a very low IQ and was by no means responsible for what he had done.”
refers to I believe, john couey.
couey had an IQ high enough to kidnap, hide, repeatedly rape and finally viciously murder a beautiful little girl and bury her alive. He got exactly what he deserved as adjudicated by citizens of Miami-Dade. Just because he was a stupid SOB, does not mean that he did not know exactly what he was doing, he was just too stupid to get away with it. I suppose in ina’s world, we should feel sorry for all these miscreants and coddle them until they are ready to prey on another innocent. Since the Dutch seem so fricking concerned about the poor, poor miscreants, maybe we should ship them all to the Netherlands! The likes of couey can move in with ina and treat HER child as he treated Jessica Lunsford.
Therefore, I have no doubt that she is being deliberately provocative. She researches nothing, retains no facts and repeatedly attacks all Americans for our system of justice. She remains woefully ignorant of the facts of this case, just parrots whatever pablum JB feeds her and then cannot defend her statements so attacks the commenter. Oh, and BTW, goes over to the mission to have a laugh with the other conspiracy theorist when she upsets someone. Waste, huge waste conversing with that one.
I apologize. I digress. This blog is not about ina or couey. This blog is about Caylee Marie and the justice due her.
Wasn’t WPB one of the areas bozo wanted the trial moved to? How can that poor clown afford a motel in WPB? LOL Besides, it is 3 hours on a good day from Otown.
JudyPC: You are “absolutely” correct about the area being under water. That was indeed the case and has been proven. I remember the man that lived directly across the road from the dump site. He stated that the area had remained submerged for months and had only recently (when she was finally found) drained sufficiently for anyone to get back there.
Great post Frankie.
I think the deciding factor as far as the law is concerned, is whether or not you understand the difference between right and wrong. Anyone who hides evidence of their crime understands that difference otherwise they would not try to hide it.
Hazaka said, on April 28, 2011 at 12:26 pm
“The breakdown products in air include phosgene, which is more toxi than chloroform, and hydrogen chloride, which is also toxic.”
Hazaka said, on April 29, 2011 at 6:58 am
“It is truly amazing how a number of folks here twist and turn words into their own meaning and interpretation….. Many make decision based on personal need. In no way have I offered opinion; just facts.”
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First of all Hazaka, I have never read a fact that you had correct. Your poorly reworded Wiki search in your 12:56 PM proves that you don’t understand what you read. Phosgene gas was a Chemical Warfare Agent and is only found in air when it is inadvertently released due to an accident, maliciousness or stupidity. For that reason Chlorofluorocarbons/Chloromethanes were banned in the 80′s by the Montreal Protocol. Those compounds were primarily used in the manufacture of Air Conditioning Refrigerant R12 and R22. When leak testing with a butane flame those compounds produce Phosgene gas which causes suffocation and at the very least severe lung damage. Also the inadvertent release of those compounds were the primary cause of the hole in the Ozone Layer. I spent eighteen years in this field. I represented a company who invented the Ultra Violet leak detection system to replace the old flame type. I sold this leak detection equipment to mitigate the leaks of these compounds. Those are “facts” Hazaka not opinions. In the air we breathe you will not find but maybe minute ppm if any.
People who have never lived in Florida don’t understand how “swampy” areas can get from extensive rainfall like that experienced during Faye or just how fast and thick the underbrush can get. I don’t know the scientic name, but that area was full of what we call “potato vine”… a destructive plant which you can almost see grow it grows so fast. Everytime we are riding through the country and I see areas like the one where Caylee was found I think about how easy it would be to hide a small body it not be found especially if it was underwater for a time.
Anonymous, art tart, Shelly, Autumn, Judypc and Frankie, you all Rock. Been only reading lately as I can’t control myself when I read some of the nonsense posted by some here. Craig would ban me for sure if I cut loose. See y’all May 9th.
Silverbullit: Well put! I remember discussion AT THE TIME about mowing the lawn. I was mowing mine at least once or twice PER WEEK! It was very hot after Fay dumped all that moisture and plants were growing very quickly. One would have thought FL had become part of the Rainforest!
As we drove around that summer, I looked out the window and was dumbfounded with the unlimited areas that a small body could have been dumped and lost forever! Thank God and Mr. Kronk that he didn’t give up or Caylee would never have been found.
Judge Perry may have been checking Jury sites…Or, he may have been visiting his friend, a fellow Chief Judge of Florida, to have him “review” his findings on the Air Test motion. Conducting his own “Peer Review” of his work before releasing it and allowing it to be used in Court.
Lets hope it’s another Victory for Caylee.
Hazaka said, on April 29, 2011 at 7:02 am —–and yes, I have problems with adulters …. who finds that acceptable? NOW THAT IS AN OPINION! Rarely, do I offer one, contrary to most here….. I usually raise question.
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Hazaka, MOST that post on this blog find lying, obstructing grandparent’s dispicable, BUT we have ALL watched you take up for them. GA has committed adultery countless times & lost all of the families money gambling, just read up on GA, I am NOT talking about River Cruz, affairs when KC/Lee were younger. MOST people have a moral compass, the Anthony’s do not & apparently you relate to them of is it okay for Gas Can George to commit adultery? WE ALL KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT!
Do you have a problem w/a wanna be scumbag Attorney being forced by the Fla. Bar to PAY HIS FREAKING CHILD SUPPORT & his debt’s? Do you think the SAME POS Attorney should rent a Miatia when HE DENIED his ex wife OWED to support his ONLY child? You habve repeatedly defended the POS, Hazaka, even at this late date, you continue to post contradictions in just about everything you comment on.
Answer the effing question Hazaka, your moral compass is a bit skewed, Baez is a POS, he is a liar, & propbably has commited adultery, after all when KC was going there daily his secretary quit! YET! We have read for two years you taking up for the low life. What about his child? Did she get what she deserved? The bottom line is: You pick & choose WHO YOU JUDGE! Sad!
Hazaka, we all know your agenda, we all know what your about, we have all read your comments since you began, we all get it.
Whoops! WOW! Excellent post.
Doug, your right, Judge P looking around & checking out the facilities it sounds like.
I laughed so hard, awhile back Baez said that a week wouldn’t give the Defense long enough to file objections, Judge P said, “WHY would you object, & Baez said he didn’t know.” LOL! Failed Motion, after Failed Motion, the POS wanna be attorney NEEDS TO WORRY about the 31 days because it doesn’t MATTER where the Jury comes from, as Judge Alex said, “the Defense will never get past this, never.” As many of us have said from the beginning, this one question cannot be explained away, most jurist will be parent’s they won’t even remotely relate to the lifestyle of KC nor the behavior of her parent’s imo.
Will the defense try to explain this away in closing? They can’t testify for KC so the Defense has bigger problems that where the Jury comes from.
art tart said, on April 29, 2011 at 3:48 pm
Hazaka said, on April 29, 2011 at 7:02 am —–and yes, I have problems with adulters …. who finds that acceptable? NOW THAT IS AN OPINION! Rarely, do I offer one, contrary to most here….. I usually raise question.
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I have NEVE TAKEN UP FOR ANY OF WHOM YOU MENTIONED ….. and why do you refer to “effing” ….. what I do say is fact…. I DISPISE THOSE WHO CHEAT ON HIS/HER WIFE …………as it comes to the Casey/Caylee sadness .. I have never ever taken up for any defense attorney — no anyone … calm down —calm down and do not decide what I have said ………………… just read it………….. and — if George, or anyone strayed …. I feel disgusted for his or her behaviour ….. why do you enjoy making up your own decisions about what I post???? You —- and others have no clue who I am and what I really think………….
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One last thing — I have nio agenda —IN THIS HORRIBLE CASE –why would anyne have an “agenda” ————–
Hazaka, you don’t remember complaining for a month when someone called Baez a Douche Bag, wrote his name without capitalization because he didn’t deserve the respect, you have continued to take up for the Anthony’s although Gas Can George is the King of the flanderer’s, you seem to have a very short memory when it comes to your post even though MOST have responded to you outraged at your comments. Show me a blogs= BESIDE jbmissions in which Baez is considered competent! Bet you don’t find any. Hazaka, the reason your statements stand out in the past is because many have been absolutely outraged, you have been repeatedly told so by many.
I simply responded to your ridiculous post PASSING JUDGEMENT ON CHIEF JUDGE PERRY, he continues to be elected over & over by his peers because of his character. I don’t ENJOY making decisions about what you post, NO ONE HAS TO DECIDE WHAT YOU SAID, we simply have read it, IF YOU DON’T WANT YOUR POST READ, don’t make them! I am simply POINTING OUT how contradictory & laughable they are compared to your many past post that reflect differently for over a year. Seems you have a short memory too besides not wanting your post read.
Just my OPINION, what sets Judge Perry apart from others who find themselves in the same situation, is rather than call the woman a liar or pressure the judge to keep her on, he “manned up”, admitted his mistake and asked for forgiveness. I have a feeling its also the reason he has been re-elected chief judge so many times by his peers. Everyone uses bad judgment at one time or other.
Whoops, if I “rock” at all it’s because of those like you without whom I might “know” much but I’d “understand” next to nothing, so my hat is off to all of you, Whoops, Bees Knees, Anonymous, Art Tart, Frankie, JudyPC and even Hazaka who makes me think. Thank you all for all I am learning from you!
Anonymous, I haven’t been able to shake your comment since you made it,
“In answer to your question I would say, imo, both Mr and Mrs Anthony as designated next of kin will be allowed into the courtroom to hear for the first time what actually happened to Caylee. We know they have acted like out- of -control surviving victims of this horrific crime but now it is their time to sit and be quiet and listen to the screams of their darling, vulnerable and abused grandchild. They will weep copious tears but when the trial is over they have the option of picking up the pieces of their broken lives and moving on-maybe even moving out of Orlando.”
They do need to see, but are their hearts so cold and their minds so warped by all of the lies they’ve told themselves and one another (“It was pizza, wasn’t it, George?” “Yes, Cindy. It was pizza.”) throughout all of this time that no matter what they see, or hear, or smell, will cause them to hold their daughter accountable? This is but one of many unknowns. We can only hope.
You’re exactly right, Silverbullit. He owned up to his mistake and made right his wrong. It takes a mighty big man to do that; besides, who are any one of us to condemn him for that which his wife chose to pardon?
Team Sneaky & Snaky Esq – 0 – all motions denied.
The State of Florida – Clean sweep 100%
As for the Judge and his past, who among us does not have a past?
The thing that separates the men from the boys the women from the girls is ownership of your mistakes.
And let us not forget ” Judge not, least ye be Judged, for how you judge others you will be judged, judgement is not yours, for I am the one true judge sayth the Lord”
Forgiveness is an open door, he only needs to answer to his wife and his maker.
“Forgiveness is an open door, he only needs to answer to his wife and his make”.
Amen to that, Judypc.
Good Morning Autumn, et al-I have never been one to ignore what Mr and Mrs Anthony have done since the moment they went to the towyard. I look at these parents as people who were/are morally and emotionally corrupted. Yes, their moral compass goes round and round as do their conflicting stories about what happened after the fact. No matter the number of lies they tell the evidence always tells the truth.
Cindy knew when she called Amy H. that Caylee was dead. Water flowed through her veins but she was determined to find out where Caylee was. When Casey wouldn’t budge she called Lee. When his brain was fried she called the police. She never reported Caylee missing but instead reported “the babysitter took my granddaughter” and when Casey was asked to speak with the dispatcher she wouldn’t. George Anthony told first responders that, “if anything has happened to Caylee, Casey had something to do with it.”
We know the level of their psychopathic relationship and how Cindy dealt with Casey.
I don’t want to diminish the horror that I believe the Anthony’s lived with for years and years. I don’t want to appear to be insensitive to their ongoing pain and sorrow at the loss of their darling grandchild. But I do want them to know exactly what happened to Caylee. The answer to the question, “What did you do?” will be crystal clear to them at the end of the guilt phase. I want Cindy and George Anthony to accept the truth about who their daughter is and what she did. I want them to take responsibility for what they did and acknowledge how it dishonored Caylee.
At the end of the day I want to see Casey Anthony taken off the streets of Orlando. She is a dangerous person. And it is this very dangerousness which required an experienced, mature and compassionate attorney to walk her through the plea deal process and convince her that her right to a fair trial might just be her “death knell”.
I regret she had such incompetent representation. As we all know every criminal defendant is promised the right to the effective assistance of counsel. Due process is violated when attorney negligence undermines the fairness and reliability of judicial proceedings (Strickland v Washington). Will her first appeal send this case back to the courtroom? I hope not. Her first appeal should be the sentence she was given. This will mean that she will never walk the sandy beaches of Florida again.
As most know, NeJames will not only be an Analyst on an Orlando News Channel but a guest on NG through the trial.
Last night NeJames was on NG stating about the photos:
NEJAME: “I think some of them are extremely relevant. You`ve got a woman who`s out after her child is missing who`s stealing, boozing, screwing and tattooing. All that`s pretty relevant as it relates to the state of mind about somebody who has a child missing.”
In addition, he stated” HE ALSO THOUGHT KC WOULD TAKE THE STAND!”
Manning UP & taking responsibility is something MANY have a hard time doing, sometimes you can’t be more than humbled, humilated, & sorry from the bottom of your heart, my hat’s off to those that find forgiveness in their marriage & are able to move forward & raise their families.
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Feel better now?
Hazaka said, on April 30, 2011 at 9:56 am Anonymous said, on April 30, 2011 at 9:32 am
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I for one feel better after reading about the case & Anonymous’ contribution to discussion bringing forth a couple of topics, that’s what the BLOGGING is Hazaka, NOT FOR THOSE THAT ASK STUPID SNARKY QUESTIONS, but to share & discuss information in the case with other’s. You simply seem incapable of discussing the facts in the case, & after all this time, your post remain shallow, snarky, & consistently off topic. It remains annoying, distracting, & has nothing to do with the case.
As the trial date nears and Marinade Dave attracts his well deserved fair share of attention, it draws out the jealousy in the scientific “Hinkies” out there.
Speaking of stupid, snarky questions, a “certain” hysterical blog owner that thinks she knows it all should shut up at someone else’s blog where she is not welcome and will most likely be deleted. No one is interested in your opinions, we have our own.
In layman terms, Valhalla, you are the idiot for aligning yourself with the group that have been reported to the FBI and had 11 blogs removed from wordpress.
Art tart-I rely on you to speak the truth and to help me say the things I find difficult. I have so often in the past weeks answered Hazaka’s questions and have tried to give her the benefit of the doubt – none of us have summarily dismissed her but instead have done her homework. Never once has she ever said, ‘Thanks, I didn’t know that’ or ‘I understand that’s the law but I tend to disagree as it violates this or that’. No analysis but the constant repetition of a posters comments she disagrees with.
And when she can’t add something substantive to the conversation she relies on her hallmark put downs “Feel better now?” She treats abject strangers with disrespect and ridicule but defends a young psychopathic mother who killed her child with less thought than many of us devote to carving the Thanksgiving turkey.
Craig, the Highroad regulations forbid me to speak my mind. I just want to say I don’t think comment #883 is appropriate. It is not even about someone or some comment here on the blog. Thanks
mainstreamfair aka snoopysleuth,
Take your trailer trash self back to the sewer you came from. NO ONE needs you here or wants your input or opinion. You and your red headed bald stepchild MD can’t hold a candle to Valhall. Valhall is welcome everywhere you are not. So go stuff it you blog tramp.
There I said it for you Ina. You are welcome to add anything you please.
Well thanks Stuff it
Let me just say I am shocked to see someone just barging in with trouble from another blog to insult another blogger, why not keep it to those blogs? Something not right there.
Art Tart, I have long thought that Casey will indeed take the stand, I think her belief that she can spin her way out of this is to strong, and her need for her moment in the lime -light is to overpowering.
I do believe they will try to convince the jury it was an accident, and she was to afraid of her parents to go for help.
They will try to say it was not murder, so the jury will not vote for the D.P. and maybe she walk away with time served.
mainstreamfair aka snoopy sleuth
I did not come hear to read about some other bloggers nonsense. I came to read about the case. I also believe it is poor netiquette on your part to discuss or trash other blogs at any site. As a reader and contributor at both this blog and Hinky I do not enjoy seeing another blog owner (you) acting out in such a childish manner. Please let us discuss the case without all the histrionics of other sites intruding.
There is no need to bring it to this site, most of us are not interested in the drama.
Now, even if they do try to say “Accident” they “STILL” have mountains to climb in explaining the 31 days of ” stealing, boozing, screwing and tattooing.” and how a mother knowing her child was dead could find herself able to function let alone party.
They as well, will have to explain Duct tape, triple bagging, and dumping the body like trash.
And lets hear a good reason for those p/c searches done way before her child died.
Mountain’s that I just do not see them being able to climb.
mofogo:
Wonderfully said.
Standing and applauding, Thank You!!
MainStreamFair, What???? You “go” girl and do yourself a favor. Practice what you preach! Valhall can’t do DK any harm. You are the only one that does that. Look at your comment, how you make a total a– of yourself and him. You treat a grown man like he can’t manage without you. Let him grow up to converse with intelligent people. It doesn’t look so great to come to in to Bill Sheaffer’s from OM just to bash Valhall. Keep it at home.
To Craig Mazer, please check the IP # re comment made on April 30, 2011 at 12:39 pm.
Someone lifted my gravatar and used my name. Maybe you should check to see if Ina’s IP # matches the one at 12:39 pm. She has been known to play her psyche games to disrupt a blog and try to place the blame on someone else. Thank you!
What? Craig? Should I reply? I think I can say this is the lowest this person can get. MFS: You are one wrong person. Accusing someone like that is not cool.
Craig~ to help prove my point, here is a comment that Ina posted at the bashing baldaintbeautifil blog…you can see the similarities in the one made by the imposter using my ID and hers…
Ina
April 30th, 2011 1:43 PM 315
Quote: “a “certain” hysterical blog owner that thinks she knows it all should shut up ” So SS wants to keep Vals coments from OM because she finds Val is not welcome on OM. Should OM not be the judge of that? She thinks she is the boss… again. Again going to destroy his blog like she did MD’s. Nothing new there. Sort of Deja vu. And the language! Tsk tsk! Not classy.
If I was a reader there on OM, I would stop reading.
Please note, my IP # will show Eastlink in Nova Scotia Canada
MainStreamFair, You did not make that comment at 12:39? It sounds so much like SS.
Everyone knows SS hacked her own and DK’s blog. she has used someone’s else’s email and IP’s before so unfortunately MSF it probably is SS that has done this to you.
Ina, send Craig an email and cry on his shoulder. It worked for you in the past. Valhall sure told you off awhile back. That is one time, Val deserved a pat on the back.
Anon, you cannot use someone else’s IP number. You can use a proxy, like you are doing now.
Craig can check my IP unless he decides to just ignore my request which would not surprise me.
Don’t even think about getting your hand near my back, mainstream or snoopy, or whomever you are today. You were way out of line and you know it. Now you’re doing some kind of back-peddling thing and attempting to blame Ina??? While Ina and I don’t agree on a lot of things, and we’ve had our words, they’ve been to each other, not behind each other’s backs at some random blog chosen to disrupt the discussion and push propaganda out. Shame on you.
Now this comment that you say I made, has some words I don’t even know.
“mainstreamfair said, on April 30, 2011 at 12:39 pm
As the trial date nears and Marinade Dave attracts his well deserved fair share of attention, it draws out the jealousy in the scientific “Hinkies” out there.
Speaking of stupid, snarky questions, a “certain” hysterical blog owner that thinks she knows it all should shut up at someone else’s blog where she is not welcome and will most likely be deleted. No one is interested in your opinions, we have our own.
In layman terms, Valhalla, you are the idiot for aligning yourself with the group that have been reported to the FBI and had 11 blogs removed from wordpress.”
aligning? and what are those 11 blogs Valhalla removed? FBI? You posted it, not me. Now stop being such a rotten liar.
This is probably getting me banned here for standing up for myself. I am sorry I am wasting commentpsace here. Can someone bakeract this burd?
Hi Val, yes we had our differences, but I must admit you are a smart lady
MSF, you probably used a proxy yourself then. Have I got good news! In cases liek this, Craig can find out the server and ask for the original author’s ip. Now I doubt he has the time, but he would certainly do me a big favour.
Valhall, out of Jealousy, you set out on a vendetta last evening. Sorry lady but it has backfired in your face. Too bad you cannot give yourself a ‘time out’ like they used to give you at a certain other blog before you became a blog owner yourself. You do not intimidate me in the least. Clothes does not make the man and ‘big words’ do not make the woman. Go to http://www.baldaintbeautifil.wordpress.com and you can see your fans cheering you on. This speaks volumes.
To Craig Mazer, we have heard that same old sob story about someone lifting her avatar dozens of times before. No One else would have made that comment but the one and only.
mainstream,
I will respond to your false accusations because they do go toward this case. Dave wrote an article in which he spoke on things of which he appears to have little to no knowledge. He used a broken analogy and incorrect language which transmits a misleading message to the reader about important concepts at play in the Anthony case. I offered a correction, with no malice. The man apparently does not possess enough: 1) consideration, 2) thought, or 3) self-control to take the time to consider what is being said to him and to attempt to enter into intelligent discourse. He instantaneously provided, as a response, a c&p of a Wikipedia page and preceded to stand firm in his wrongness, without even understanding what he had just copied.
Now, I started my blog for the sole purpose of combating “bad science” and disinformation concerning these cases, I believe at this point we can add Dave to the list of sources that are deep in that.
Now you come to someone else’s blog and start crap about a conversation that from my side remained civil, and from Dave’s side was nothing but close-mindedness and a “I will be right, damn it!” mentality.
Reading a thermometer is not an “objective” reading….and 40 people can read that thermometer and still not know what the true temperature is. And that has blown your mind, Dave’s mind, and his little groupies’ minds. Thank God I didn’t hit him with the fact that temperature isn’t even a real thing….it’s a statistic, and by the way, it’s a statistic of a symptom. The actual thing being statistically represented with a thermometer is enthalpy…but God forbid we get into facts.
As I stated after repeated attempts to get him to engage in the conversation – have at it…facts appear to be abhorrent to the site.
Vallhall, if you were trying to engage, why did you do it in a way to try and humiliate, break the man and then when he didn’t bite you lost your cool. Ending with a snarky bit
of appeasement. After following your blog so long you have ended up being a huge disappointment in your manner. You assume you can hide your rediculouis jealousy by now hopping around on different blogs to continue your attack. Maybe this is not you at 4:10. Gawd!
That’s incorrect, no name. That’s absolutely incorrect. I pointed out that the issue at hand between the science experts on both sides of this case is a mixture of objective and subjective interpretations of quantitative and qualitative data. To think that a “measurement” (for instance, temperature) is a carved in stone fact and “it is what it is” belies the complexity of science…even the most basic. And the scientific concepts at play in this trial are far more complex.
Take for instance the differences between gases detected in Vass’s study and in Statheropoulos’s study. It is the very same black and white (and I’m saying this using the word correctly, not as an insult) “ignorance” of the situation that Dave is showing that was shown by Baez on this issue. There IS subjectivity in science. It’s called variables, and it comes into play on every detection or measuring method and/or device. These variables can cause hysteresis. Especially if you are approaching a transition state in a phenomenon.
Let’s take the gases Vass has detected for certain PMI ranges. He notes some are present in earlier stages, while they are absent in others. This can lead to an error band in the transition phase from one PMI range to the other. As you approach the new PMI range you will transition (maybe so quickly that through qualitative observations it appears instantly). There are very few “true” discontinuities in nature. Nature abhors discontinuities and works to avoid them. So as you enter this transition phase, no matter how short or how long it’s duration, you can begin to detect things that shouldn’t be there, or perhaps no longer detect what should be there. The instability (so to speak) of the transition can cause hysteresis in the transition phase.
The differences in opinion of the various experts are dealing with quantitative measures (not “objective measures”) that then can have varying degrees of subjectivity to the variables that effect them. Hence the ability for two scientists to view to sets of data and differ in their opinion. If science were black and white, there would be no need for opposing experts.
As to your ludicrous statement of “jealousy”…puhleeze, give it up now.
Valhall, I am sure had you left your superiority complex at home and visited Dave’s blog in a more civil manner, your opinions would have been entertained. One can convey to another person that their information stated is in error and proceed to correct them. The manner in which the conveyor does that can make all the difference in the world. If it is done in the proper way, then both parties can discuss it and come to a rational conclusion. You can also speak in the same language so both of you and the other contributors at the blog can understand what is being said. It is like the saying “when in Rome.”
You do not pick up a machete to cut a blade of glass when scissors will suffice. Presention and the manner of approach does play a huge part in how one will be accepted.
Wow. Well. I was going to say, ArtTart, now I have good reason to watch Nancy Grace! I wouldn’t want to miss a word of anything NeJame had to say!
Anonymous, I’m right there with you, wanting George and Cindy to feel Caylee’s suffering and fear, especially during those last few moments or hours of her life. Imagines of all possibilities haunt me each and every day, and no amount of justice served will ever make this right.
I have never been a fan of MD. I have always had the utmost respect for Valhall and the Hinky Meter until today. I hate to say it, but that was a classic attempt at character assassination. Shame on you.
No one is jealous of Dave except for you Doris. No one! Dave is universally disliked and a pariah ~~ kind of like you.
Who are you to lecture Val or any else on etiquette? Can’t Dave speak for himself? Or have you emasculated him so badly that he’s a quivering mess again?
Go ahead call the FBI, The freaking CIA, Homeland Security and anyone else. The more people who know you are crazy the better!
Now STFU and take your ranting back to Dave’s.
You are shut in with no life outside of running from blog to blog to defend your man. Your family should seek help for you.
Girl Hockey? Go puck yourself.
looking,
Thank gawd I didn’t bring up the published falsified information in his article (not his blog), you’d just hate my guts. He apparently has no desire to correct a blatant lie that misrepresents himself. I asked him repeatedly if he was going to correct the false statement…his choice was to shut down comments and delete the facts that prove the lie.
*sigh* Character assassination? No…character suicide. I was witness to it. It’s virtual character hari kari.
I’m out of here. If you have more you’d like to throw at me, grow a spine and come say it to my face. At least I can say I did just that with the juvenile delinquent down the street.
Valhall~”grow a spine and come say it to my face”. Are you that desperate for hits?
Shame on you!
Valhall – Be the scientist you brag you are. Obviously, you stink at human interaction. I left you a year ago because if anyone disagrees with you, you throw a hinky fit.
Trust me, I know. Now put your science to work and figure out who I am.
What are you going do? Publish/post email addresses again? Ip’s? Make another pee video of your friend peeing on Caylee’s remains site? Find another playground to suggest another park seciuity guard told you that’s where Caylee peed?
BOO! You don’t scare anyone.
Snoopy you are a just a shut in with link to an outside life. Btw, it was $50 to push you into a snow bank not $500. Don’t flatter yourself!
Blog hits? You are joke! You need to post your comments about & to Val here because otherwise no one (still 2 words) would see them.
Everyone is laughing at you. Dave has NO credibility and neither do you. Who you gonna call? Rexxfield? They don’t represent Dave and never have. Not only that they are not a law firm you old toad!
Jesus wept, and here we go again. You’d think you would be able to read at ONE site without hearing about Dave, his groupies and who he is having his latest shiz fight with? The focus is Caylee and then the trial, nothing else matters to me at this point. I do agree with Valhall that it’s important to understand the science and get that right and I can understand her frustration at reading something by a “paid” blogger (sorry no way is he a journalist) that is scientifically inaccurate. Yes Valhall can be bloody short tempered at times but she isn’t malicious, in my opinion. On the other hand Dave Knechel has shown himself to be extremely malicious, self centered, narcissistic and lacking certain morals and ethics which make the Orlando Magazines choice of blogger unfathomable.
Personally, I choose not to read at OM – I’ll stick with sites that have quality reporting such as WFTV.
cb, if you do not want to hear about Dave, why did you continue to discuss him.
Judy, if everyone is laughing at me then they are leaving someone else alone. I will make the sacrifice so no problem.
You want the the truth…dumb the following down…
Ina copied all her treasures of the day and took them back to her blog…
http://inaweblogisback.wordpress.com/chat3/#comment-9081
(an excerpt from a comment made by one of Ina’s fan club)
I believe by Hokey, she means Hinky
Hokey is diametrically opposed to his attitude and goes out of her way to convince him how smart she is-not to mention she probably wishes to steal readers from his section at OM. She’ll recruit the “smart, hard pounding Nancy Grace” types because she is in everyone’s face.
I have no idea what she is doing attaching MD when there are storm victims in the south she could “hep” out. And, there’s always that horny toad society. My guess she is so scientific is because she wants to get a grant to study why frogs f@c! or something.
think Hokey is a flamer and wishes to keep MD in the volunteer state of CSI anonymous. Lol! I mean, it really doesn’t matter what Hokey thinks since she doesn’t live there; only her followers are stalking that family and posting about them. What do you expect from someone that ties Christianity and little green men all together with her CIA and doctor connections in China? Lol!
Val-You have educated me and made me think.You are a gifted writer and a brilliant scientific analyst. There isn’t much you can’t write about when discussing Fl v Anthony but when you are stumped you admit it. This allows any number of fine posters at your site to chime in and share their special training or experience. I have also really enjoyed reading Magpie and JWG. You have the best responders/posters. Is it because they appreciate your narrative insights or is it because they share your core values? I think it’s both. You are the quintessential egalitarian – no one feels threatened or in fear when they post. I marvel at how you have kept us all informed during the down days of pretrial when not much was happening-you never allowed your blog to become a haven for the bullies. He can’t even pretend to be smart or nice.
Caps for emphasis only: I DID NOT WRITE THE 3:34pm POST. I trust that’s all I have to say on the subject.
uhhh, mainstream, that particular poster (which is not Ina) has some issues. And she’s been rambling about me for about a year. Why are you copying other commenter’s posts from Ina’s blog to this site?
You really are a piece of work…all to try to obfuscate that you really acted poorly here.
I read here and going by previous comments left by Bill and Craig – I was of the understanding that I could voice an opinion, and did so.
I didn’t get the memo that you were “Queen of the World” and that I required your permission as to what I comment on and where.
If Knechel hadn’t insisted on making himself a part of the case and if you behaved in a more socially accepted manner there would be infinitely less issues. I don’t see either of those things occurring. When the trial starts soon it’s my most fervent wish that the pair of you will be too busy to the bother with us plebs and leave us in peace at the various sites we comment at.
Valhall, go scold one of your followers when they disagree with you. By the way backpeddling is not in my vocabulary. I do not like your blog, I think you have an ego bigger than what you accuse Dave of having. The only time I came to your blog to read indepth is when you allowed the conspiracy issue to be discussed. I believe it went something like a certain Melissa, Cindy and Dave were conspiring to have a judge recuse himself. At least, I do not have to use such topics to solicit hits.
BTW, your fan club, the babs, are cheering you on, Valhall. I guess you have to get notoriety somewhere.
I wish Craig would just shut this blog down as it would be one less platform for “Snoopysleuth” (how juvenile) or MSF or any of her other alter-egos, to spew senseless and uneducated blather.
Valhall and MD in the same sentence is a laugh. Jealousy on Valhall’s part, nah. It appears Val was attempting to correct the record regarding the scientific facts for those serious enough to learn a few things pre-trial. But seemingly and on cue, SS has stirred the pot and it appears her idiotic comments have shut down commentary on yet another blog…a worthless blog, but a blog nonetheless.
Scat, shoo, go away…maybe go pull a few weeds; wouldn’t that be a bit more constructive?
cb, the podium is all yours as I plan on taking leave. It is not often I even begin to dignify some people with a response. Today the situation warranted it. Those who come across as ‘militant’ will have to find another outlet to releave their stress. I’m gone.
*releive even the best of us make errors.
try again, third times a charm lol
relieve, perhaps?
Yes, maybe she’ll get it right 3rd time around. If not, always remember this MSF.
Use I before E except after C, or when sounding as A, as in neighbor and weigh.
LOL
Valhall, those of us that are regular’s on the Hinky Meter know you stand behind the science you explain & comment on. Your blog is invaluable in explaining the facts, especially the science, because as a layman as myself, I get a little confused, especially when comparing what expert’s have to say arguing the same science for the Defense & qqqq’[p;STATE. It’s unfortunate that some blogs put out WRONG information not on purpose, but out of ignorance imo & some of their reader’s don’t know enough about the science to challenge what the blog owner has written, which in Dave’s case, is the problem. He isn’t interested in the correct information you were willing to share, it’s embarassing that his trolls come here & enter several times using different names to promote his blog, it has been a consistent problem so when they are ignored long enough, they leave. The regulars here know who they are & they are ignored.
Seems the trolls are a little confused, sometimes as many as 2700 posts are made in a short period of time in the Caylee Misc. Topic, then a new thread gets started. THE HM is hardly desperate for hits, just another blantant attempt by a troll to mislead anyone that bothers reading their comment.
http://angelproduction.wordpress.com/
Someone is doing a movie about Casey Anthony Case.
A true movie going to be made soon about the Casey Anthony Case.
http://angelproduction.wordpress.com/
Anonyomus said:
I DID NOT WRITE THE 3:34pm POST. I trust that’s all I have to say on the subject.
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Anonymous, I KNEW you didn’t write that post as we have discussed information that Valhall has shared about the science & you like I appreciated the information, I KNEW a TROLL used your name. They think it is so clever when they try that game, they HOPE you don’t log on & read what they have done.
Autumn, I agree that M NeJames will be an asset on NG, she is aggressive & disrespectful, but hopefully she learned about 6 months ago when she tried that w/NeJames, he was right back at her & in her face. I’m glad to see at least an Attorney from Orlando will be sharing correct information.
judypc, I have vasilated back & forth about KC taking the stand. I now agree with you & M NeJames, although B Sheaffer has stated that, “the STATE will rip her up in a New York minute,” I don’t see the Defense has any choice. WHO better to share what a miserable childhood she says she had, share about the sexual abuse, accuse GA of hurting Caylee, the list is endless. Too, once KC has admitted she has lied in the past, from what I read, I don’t think they can continue to call her out on it. Of course the STATE will establish that KC has been a pathological liar for years, so the JURY understands that anything she says may well too be just another lie.
You get half a boo hoo from me, pick either the boo or the hoo
dogwatcher, I followed your link, interesting, but very little information shared & it is a wordpress blog site.
WHY do you think this is a movie about Caylee & KC? It says the child was missing for 8 months, just wondering, of course movies have a “creative license.” I live in Louisiana & we have a TAX credit that is an incentive for production companies to make movies here. THey advertise all the time but when they do, they usually say who is staring in the movie & what it’s about, the stars appearing, etc. That’s interesting for sure. thanks.
Anyone ever heard of “To Each his own” if everyone thought the same thought, liked the same thing, then there would be no need for variety.
I have visited Valhall’s blog on a few occasions and found it informative & topical, I do find it hard to travel through and follow, so I do not go to it as a staple.
I went to Dave’s a couple of time’s in the beginning it was well written, then at some point it de-railed and became a bashing ground.
People choose to come here because it has an open platform, easy to follow, and 99.9 % of the people that post here are respectful of one another.
I do not see the point in dragging down this blog because others are at odds with one another.
No, Craig should not close this blog because people from others come here with their foolery, it would seem to me the answer is simply do not bring those issue’s here.
Resolve them amongst yourselves in your own space, on your own dime, and do not make those of us that do not give a flying flip about your issues suffer through it.
We do not care about JBMissions Blog, Snoopy’s blog, so forth and so on, if we wish to we will visit those, lets simply table the blog issue’s and be allowed to stay on topic here shall we?
I personally believe that when you are tasked with the job of informing the public, you should set a higher standard for yourself, as apposed to writing a free blog that any individual with the time can put together. I believe that the information should be throughly researched to ensure complete accuracy. (As is the case at HM) I would make damn sure that I could stand behind every word that I wrote. If an individual with extensive knowledge on the subject found that I had made a mistake, I would graciously except their knowledge (and learn something along the way) and thank them for informing me of said mistake. That being said, I am truly grateful to Val for her patience and persistence in trying to get accurate information out to the masses. I am truly sorry that all her efforts fell on deaf (more like unwilling) ears. It bugs me that someone will leaf through that magazine some day and read the articles and take them for fact. When (thanks to Val) we now know that they are sorely lacking. One more thing about the articles at that other site, I don’t think it is EVER appropriate to make light of a court case about a murdered child with jokes. That is simply wrong in my opinion. I am sorry for bringing this here, as it was deleted at that other site.
my apologies Judypc, I have had my say and will leave it alone now.
The post at 4:48PM was not written by me.
If all comments were case related we could end a lot of this BS and maybe more people would post here. No one cares about MD this is not about him it is about Caylee please can we keep this about facts, and opinions, that are relevant to this trial?
art tart said, on April 30, 2011 at 7:27 pm.
I believe “angelproduction.wordpress” is the work of Joy Wray…..
art tart
That link for the movie I am guessing is from Joy Wray,
demanding 15 more minutes in the media and her share of blood soaked dollars from Caylee’s murder, just like her BFF Depraved Knechel
Beast I respect your opinion, and your right to have it. But I must say that this does pertain to the case, it upsets people when things are put out to the pubic about this case that are not correct.
judypc, I agree to each his own & if anyone here wanted to read at another BLOG they would be there instead of here. I will say, IF you just read the articles by Valhall, they are outstanding. THe blog travels quickly, thousands of comments, I don’t always have time to read all the comments, but I NEVER miss an article by Val as you can’t get it anywhere else, her science background is what makes her blog unique, there are many other good BLOGS such as your own that have good information & creatively written, but those blogs aren’t sharing INCORRECT information.
Beast, I agree with your comment too, the trolls continue to harass the blog every couple of weeks, they seem to be here to promote MD’s blog, but it is always counterprdocutive, embarassing, & the trolls are the reason that so many people have left his blog & loathe it.
judypc & Beast, do you think a Jury can be picked in the time frame Judge P has estimated? imo, the Defense will create drama about everyone the STATE wants, after all, just about everyone on that Jury will have children/grandchildren.
WHAT would be an ideal Jurist for the Defense? A liberal college student with no children, a person living w/their child & their parent’s, no job, no education, just stealing to survive?
Art Tart-Thank you for recognizing my writers’ voice. Why anyone would resort to that kind of behavior is totally beyond me. I feel badly for Val. Such a hard worker and a decent human being. I am sure that Monday morning will bring good things and that Craig will simply delete the irrelevant, disrespectful and unnecessary comments. Whoops, Autumn,Ina, Beast and Hotdogdave take good care of yourselves. I hope to come back soon.
BakerActress, OMG, I never thought about that but it makes perfect sense!
Anonymous, the trolls will be gone soon, don’t be gone long.
Beast- If you don’t care about MD, then why do you comment at his blog, constantly?
Motions failed, can’t delay the court date…I hope Casey’s starting to have a tightness around her chest and trouble breathing, perhaps even nightmares of Caylee grabbing at her (Casey’s) face and pushing against her lips as she lies face down on her prison pillow. The only thing breaking the long prison nights are the Head Counts and the screams from other prisoners as Casey lies there staring at the ceiling in a room that will never be dark thinking about what happened to her “Bella la Vida”.
Is the procedure of picking jurors more of a private nature or can George and Cindy be present ? I
Anonymous, please, don’t go!
Val, you have done a great job picking apart evidence in this case, and explaining it so that most people with 1/2 of a brain cell can understand it. For whatever it’s worth, I hated science, I never did well in it, but I have never had a problem understanding her blogs about it. I have posted at her site a few times, and have never been mistreated by her or anyone there.
One thing that really attracts me to her blog is the fact that her blog is about CAYLEE, the actual victim in this case. The ONLY VICTIM in this case. She doesn’t have the “look at me, I’m special, it’s all about me” theme that some of the others have. She wants justice for the innocent little angel who was allegedly murdered by her own mother. It’s not about the money or the fame with Val, it’s about a precious murdered baby, and for that I will always be grateful to her, and others like her who only want to see JUSTICE come for Baby Caylee. She doesn’t want to further her “career” or “gain her 15 seconds of fame” at the expense of a little girl who left this life WAY TOO EARLY!!
Doug, I’ve often wondered too if KC realizes her attention is nearly over! She seems incapable of sitting there & acting like a young mother or lady, she rolls her eyes, incessantly primps & plays with her hair, angrily writes notes. It’s too late, seems the Defense Team needs to remind KC when she could have helped herself & her case was over 2 yrs. ago. imo, she is going to be furious & beyond pissed off when the Verdict comes down & she is calling Baez screaming. He will inform KC he NO LONGER IS HER ATTORNEY, she will now get a Court Ordered Attorney for her appeals, but it’s not hiim! I would imagine there is a tremendous pressure in KC’s chest.
Newbie, from my understanding, the Jury Selection will be private, we will not see their faces or know their names, but judypc has a legal background & she may be able to explain how it works better than I can.
Art, thank you.
It’s indeed a sad day when so many real people seeking JUSTICE for CAYLEE – who want to know facts – express their opinions – have to endure the rhetoric of those blog owners seeking blood money in their own interest – the bashing of other “blog owners” – with all their sock puppets – all the while – not uttering a single truth!
Sad indeed!
NEWBIE – the Jury Selection Process will be very private – Casey will be there – but no news media inside the CH where the jury is selected – Judge Perry has declared that the general public will never see their faces nor know their names – that’s standard procedure with any jury selection – whether it’s a “high profile” case or a “regular case” – the names, faces of the Jury is never disclosed – a protection of their rights to serve as Jurors .
cb said, on April 30, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Well said.
Snoop, why do you and your minions continue to come here and shit all over this blog? Is it because you’re getting bored with the minimal amount of posters that visit yours and Dave’s pages? And Jef…you need to just STFU and stop rambling your drunken nonsense. You have ZERO room to talk about anyone else’s bashing, when you’ve done and are still doing plenty of bashing yourself over at the cesspool that is BAB.
It’s the same ol shit here over and over, almost every weekend it’s a troll invasion, which is why I rarely comment here anymore. Keep your shit over on your bashing sites.
At first I didn’t understand Newbie’s question, it would be odd for George and Cindy to be present at the juror selection somehow, but of course they would know if someone is an old aquaintance.
Casey can be there though? Because she might tell if someone is bias or has a grudge I suppose. Now Casey lies a lot. I wonder what would happen if she would claim a juror is, or more jurors are people she knows. She might delay the whole trial that way. I suppose there are ways of preventing that? – glad to see Newbie moving the conversation in the right direction
Art & Hotdog:
As I said in my post Val’s site was/is informative & topical, I just find it hard to navigate, I have “Never” come here and bashed any site, the only point I was trying to make is just like clock work when the weekend rolls around someone will make a bee-line for here and start the foolery.
To my knowledge, Val has never taken part in that, only had to defend their views, my post was not in any way saying their site was not good, it was one of the few that IMO does offer something other than fluff.
When I said ” I find it hard to travel through and follow, so I do not go to it as a staple.” I was only speaking of format not content.
No I don’t think it’s possible to get the jury in the time allotted by JP simply because the defence will try and do everything they can to foul the process. And if I comment somewhere it’s usually to express an opinion or ask a question, I suspect that’s why most people do so.
The Judge has taken great care in the protection of the jury, their names will not be released, they will be known as jury #.
The only persons allowed in the selection process will be defense, defendant, the State, the judge, a court reporter and law enforcement for security reason’s to guard the defendant and for security.
Selection will be behind closed guarded doors and they will be placed under a gag order when leaving the confines of that room.
Once a person is selected and approved they will be taken into a secluded area away from public view, transported via Orange County deputy’s and kept under the protection of Orange county until end of trial.
The first questions ask will be do you know the defendant or any persons involved, that means any of the lawyers on both sides, and the judge as well.
If I understood Judge Perry, the news crews will be blocked from panning the jury with their cameras while in court, so look for artist renditions in the media when anything of jury reactions is reported.
So, unless defense leaks become a problem the jury is going to be well guarded, and I sure would not want to be on the firing end of those leaks with this Judge.
Beast, I think Judge P made his point to Team Sneaky & snaky Esq, that he aims to do this and if they present any foolery he will get on the bus come back to Orange County and begin selecting a jury there.
Which, imo should be attempted first, I think they could very well seat a jury locally.
Sneaky & Snaky are making it a point to appear on every national media outlet that will have them, in the last days before selection begins.
judypc, I knew what ya meant, it wasn’t derrogatory in the least in your comment. We all have our GO TO sites, I like this site as it is easy to have a conversation when the trolls aren’t here.
Great questions are ask like the one from Newbie. I am too interested if Mason will play a bigger part in the trial on Cross Examination or will the inept inexperienced attorney running the train wreck of a defense continue to run everything, I wonder how many times the ANT’s will change their story yet again & be forced to read back their earlier testimony by Ashton, I wonder how long it will take for these two lying grandparent’s to be declared “hostile witnesses” by Ashton.
I TOO wonder WHO will sit on the side of the little Caylee Marie, Grand Ma & Rick Pleasa I hope. I am MOST INTEREDSTED in if Richard Gabriel PICKS the Jury for the Defense!!!! WHERE will the money come from? Will Baez wear an ear piece so Gabriel can talk to him during the selection? (judypc, don’t laugh, I saw that in Runaway Jury, LOL!)
judypc, I read that AFTER assigned seating, there will only be 12 seats available everyday. Is that done by a lottery?
I think the jurors should be protected from the view of EVERYONE but the Judge. cindy anthony is deranged, IMO. You can be sure once she gets the juror’s info, she will dog that person with anything she can try and dig up or lie about. They could seat the jury in an area much like the family section in a funeral home….out of view of this disturbingly shady family and their attorneys.
***mainstreamfair said, on April 30, 2011 at 4:29 pm
You can also speak in the same language so both of you and the other contributors at the blog can understand what is being said. It is like the saying “when in Rome.”***
Not to fan the fire, but curiosity! Are you saying that one has to dumb down his/her remarks so that a few challenged individuals can comprehend the subject matter? I would have to say that , in many instances especially when discussing such complex issues, that would render the discussion useless. If one is having difficulties comprehending the matter, either research it with this wonderful tool, the internet, that we all obviously possess or ASK to have it explained again! The use of the word “ignorance” as used was not a derogatory term. In the context of the sentence, Val was simply indicating that the man was not educated in the subject matter being discussed. It would be a shame for those who have not read Val’s work to lose the opportunity to learn A LOT about this case because they believe she was attempting to assassinate anyone’s character. I do not believe that to be true.
@ Beast: I have to agree with you, the defense will do EVERYTHING in their power to delay the process and I am afraid that HHJP opened the door for that with his statement that if they are making progress, he will continue trying in the selected county.
Does anyone remember if West Palm was one of the areas that bozo originally WANTED to go to if there was a change of venue?
@Judy: I agree, if you don’t like the folks at any given blog…simply don’t go there! I don’t go to several blogs because when I do and see obvious disinformation, I cannot help myself, I gotta shoot off my mouth! LOL
EXCELLENT article by David Lohl, the writer of the “Investigation Discovery Blog” & was in Orlando for some of the searches for Caylee. He too is a witness in Caylee’s case, & is a contributor to NG along w/M NeJames.
YEP! D Lohl CALLING KC OUT for all the games she’s played at the Defense Table, it’s not lost on anyone, KC contributes to be self destructive, projecting that her agenda is only herself, NOT her murdered child.
SNIP of D Lohl’s article:
“It’s simple. Casey Anthony wants you to know—and has taken pains to project—that she has a shapely figure, and that she relishes the tete a tetes or shared confidences that occur as she merrily chats up anyone who sits at the defense table during court recesses. There is no getting around that the ex-party girl herself is defense’s Exhibit A, evidencing she’s sociable and stylish in a sexually-suggestive way.
Blind justice’s lens
Sadly, with all eyes on Anthony, the courtroom has held no room for the memory of her slain toddler daughter, Caylee, who Anthony is accused of killing in 2008. Not at all the message her lawyers are fronting, Casey’s courtroom attire and coiffure change-ups indicate that she’s a wayward, rebellious school girl trying on different identities, forever stuck in adolescence and determined to get around the system any way she can. While the outfits themselves are not remarkable, the distracting way she has worn them has been frankly provocative. Caught in blind justice’s lens, Casey Anthony so far has failed to reflect the gravity of her situation, soon to become deadly, should a jury decide it so.
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http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2011/04/fashioning-a-defense-casey-anthonys-evolving-style.html
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imo, Linda Brains Burdick/Mr. Ashton/Mr. George are going to PUT the FOCUS back where it should have always been, on Caylee Marie. There will be HUGE pictures of little Caylee, probably at least 24 X 36 of the many faces of a playful child & even some of the later pictures of a little Caylee with dark circles under her eyes, not smiling, a changed little girl.. The State may even play “You are my Sunshine the last known video of little Caylee with Grandpa Pleasa.”
Hi art tart. It is a sure bet that George and Cindy will NOT be seated on “Caylee’s side”, IF they are allowed to attend. They are trying to get in under the disguise of “victim”
Hi judy, frankie.
Ann – Tx SHARED this link at Hinky, HOT DAMN, Diane Fanning is also going to be a contributor. I’d be real surprised IF she didn’t write the ending of the story also.
http://www.prlog.org/11466808-author-diane-fanning-appearing-on-insession-as-commentator-on-the-casey-anthony-trial.html
Judypc, thank you. Your information clears many questions in my mind.
After doing some research online on how to make Chloroform I dont think Casey
1. Is smart enough
2. had the equipment
3. had the time
There is a video online about this and looks very complicated and certainly not something that can be done quickly. There is no way that she could have done this at home without somebody seeing something. So I’m baffled by it being found in the trunk in a huge amount. Where did it come from? Is it possible to buy on black market? If it was bought online then there must be a credit card trail and no such evidence has been mentioned. Dr Vass said that there is a small amount expected, so it’s still a mystery why there was so much.
Here is the link to the video
This a link on how to make it
http://www.blurtit.com/q135973.html
After watching the video this seems to be over simplified.
Wasnt there a white powder or something found in the gatorade bottle? That was found near the remains with a syringe I believe.
@Beast: I agree on all 3 points. And would add that she is also LAZY. This skank would NOT work or go to school or even develop any sort of hobby, other than photography that we know of. The chloroform is a question in my mind! The only logical reason that I can think of is that she tried to make it and effed up.
Just wondering, it’s been a while now what does the tunk smell like now? Would it still be there?
IDK but I think it probably would if it has been closed up in OCSO garage all this time and I am sure that it has. Probably has diminished somewhat though.
Is it possible that the jury would be taken there to smell it for themselves? I’m sure it would be better than opening a sample in the court room.
judypc my post was not responding to anything anyone wrote, just something that was on my mind at the time. Sorry for the confusion.
The chloroform has always been a puzzle to me. It isn’t readily available – you don’t go to Walgreens and just but a pint. Why would anyone even try to make it?
It is nonsensical to me but it is a fact, it is there
It is a puzzle to be sure, and I sure would like answer to that.
http://howtomakechloroform.com
A more simple process, perhaps?
That does seem a lot easier and more dangerous. I’d still like to hear more about that gatorade bottle and test results on it.
Beast, the first mention of the sport bottle/syringe is contained in this doc, beginning on page 8. The information is scattered throughout. I don’t believe this doc contains the tests conducted on the bottle/syringe, though. I’ll keep looking for that.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/1106/21541051.pdf
http://www.wftv.com/news/21539718/detail.html
http://www.wftv.com/news/21539718/detail.html
Lots here, Beast.
Chloroform seems such an antiquated form of drugging a person, especially a child, Benedryl or even Nyquil would do the same thing, no?
From the WFTV article………
Tests from the FBI show chloroform was in the bottle and in the syringe. Eyewitness News had reported previously that there were traces of chloroform found in the trunk of Casey’s car.
Forensic experts told Eyewitness News Chloroform could be a by-product of decomposition, but the level found in the trunk would be too high to be natural from a small child. That may suggest chloroform from another source was in the trunk.
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There is no way (imo) that the chlor found in the bottle and the syringe are from “tap water” or from “bathing suit”. Now remember these items were found next to the remains, and there is a direct connection to the trunk. No finger prints on tape, bottle, syringe, obviously gloves were worn. Otherwise if those items are innocent and not related thn there should be prints from someone who just tossed some garbage.
Beast and Kim, I’m researching Kim’s last question, so I don’t have the doc up on the chloroform, but if you have it up can you tell me if the bottle and syringe, rather the bottle containing the syringe were found in a Disney bag or a back pack? I don’t recall which it was, but I think both were linked back to Caylee weren’t they?
By the way, Beast, thanks for keeping things going here, today. I was hesitant about returning, after yesterday.
Here’s an older article of Val’s that might help.
“The Gatorade bottle and a Syringe – Chemical Analysis” – Updated
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2009/11/08/the-gatorade-bottle-and-a-syringe-chemical-analysis/
And another discussion about it from THM.
“WKMG reports facts on Gatorade bottle and Syringe”
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2009/11/11/wkmg-reports-facts-on-gatorade-bottle-and-syringe/
“The Mad Scientist Meets The Mad Hatter”
The Mad Hatter: What a regrettably large head you have. I would very much like to hat it. I used to hat The White Queen, you know. Her head was so small like that of a Nova Scotian wench.
The Red Queen: It’s tiny. It’s a pimple of a head.
The Mad Scientist: Why that is subjective to my objective which proves you to be the Biggest Bore of the Kingdom of Oranges assuming your hysterias are not hysteresis.
The Mad Scientist: Off with their heads! You’re all late for tea!
The Red Queen: You’re right, Mad Scientist. It is far better to be feared than loved.
BTW – there was NO BATHING SUIT in the trunk to contribute to chloroform levels just like there was no real garbage.
Kim …..
yup thats true. So if it WAS there one of the items removed by Cindy.. Again, tampering with evidence
Thanks, Bees. It’s good to see you.
So
this confuses me as to where and why the level of chloroform was there – is it completely attributable to Cindy’s cleaning spree?
If so – there are a few things to be gleaned from this
Cindy knew Caylee was dead and had to clean
Cindy Anthony is culpable in the murder – after the fact
no?
Kim,
Your post set my brain in motion, in a whirlwind I may add. I went and googled “Uses for chloroform in cleaning” and BOY did I get a eye opener. As we all know, Casey was an avid photographer. Well, as it turns out, chloroform is used in developing photographs. Has anyone ever heard whether Casey had her own “dark room” or not? Also, according to this article, there are other sources and uses for chloroform, one of which is as a fumigant. Hmmmm.. Is it possible that Casey just had some laying around, and Cindy used it to try to get the smell out of the damn car? Once it absorbed into the carpet, it wouldn’t have evaporated quite as fast, I wouldn’t think. These are just two of the articles I scanned through.
http://books.google.com/books?id=Iuk93VMrExMC&pg=PA214&lpg=PA214&dq=%22uses+for+chloroform+in+cleaning%22&source=bl&ots=gaBJhCokVE&sig=1nlG_EYcQ4jI7D1gTtWcGqDXU5w&hl=en&ei=H_a9TeCqAYO4tgfJsYnbBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CEQQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q&f=false
Scroll up to page 213 on that one, and read the last paragraph, then the continuance on page 214.
I’ll post the next one separately.
This one is a worthwhile read as well.
http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/chloroform/recognition.html
Hi autumn! The chloroform mystery, huh? It is a strange one. Nothing really seems to make sense but . . . there it is regardless, the one puzzle piece that doesn’t fit. Can’t wait to hear the State’s theory.
An idea about the credit card issue for purchases on line. What about those prepaid cards you can buy at stores now. There would be no trail there, or am I wrong??
Osama Bin Laden – finally justice has come for those killed in 911 and their families.
Obama killed Osama! Congratulations to the USA and president Obama! He said he would bring Ben Laden to justice. Now there is not going to be a trial, but who cares I suppose, if Hitler had been killed, everyone would have been glad too. Wow!
Thanks everyone for sharing links. Good to see you BEES KNEES, I am rubbing my hands together in anticipation of reading Val’s article. I don’t think I read it the first time so it will be a treat.
I agree with those that have had questions about the chlroform, understanding why the level was so high in the car, was it the murder weapon? An overdose? imo, the STATE may have a good idea what’s up with it but it is a little confusing.
I truly don’t see that the Defense can do anything but put KC on the stand because as Valhall mentioned, IF they put KC on the stand, she could claim that Caylee’s murder was an accident, NO ONE can tell KC’s story but KC, as hard as Baez has tried to have someone else lie & tell it for her, she is the only one can get on the stand & lie somemore. imo, KC murdered Caylee but is trying to save her own butt & God knows what she will come up with, the problem is,, there is NO EXCUSE for the 31 days & dumping Caylee in the swamp. Those are huge problems for KC, she would have to admit she was responsibile for Caylee dying, & there is still no plausible believable explanation as to why she LIED & report Caylee missing.
Art tart, so I would take it that if the defense cares to say in their opening statement that Caylee’s death was an accident and the 31 days was because of Casey’s post traumatic stress, Casey will absolutely have to testify.
bin laden said he didn’t want a trial…he didn’t want to be taken alive. He got his wish.
Good Morning Friends-Good to see you Bees. I hope the coast is clear and that the “weekend warrior” is safely back where she feels all warm and fuzzy.
An interesting random thought about Chorloform. I read the book and never remembered this tidbit of info until either Vinnie P or Ryan S mentioned it on InSession sometime last week.It was revealed in the famous Homolka case (Ontario, CA) that Chorloform was used to render her sister unconscious prior to sexually abusing her. LE initially thought that she was drugged or drinking. The toxicology tests revealed Chorloform was what rendered unconscious. I don’t know if it killed her though. Ms H. worked for a vet and he apparently used it to put down small animals.
Art tart-I think they will go with the duct tape as the murder weapon but you bring up a v.good point about the levels of C.
Alice I loved your comment.
Newbie-The only one who will ever suffer the s/s of PTSD will be Mr Baez.
Hi art tart. I spent a very pleasant Sunday afternoon reading some of Val’s older threads. There’s really a lot of great information in her archives. Have you read the one titled “Nightmare on Suburban?” It was written by one of the Hinky regulars, JWG, and he theorizes (based on cell pings) that the monster visited Caylee’s corpse one night at 4 am. It’s chilling! I can’t get on her site right now or I’d post a link. I’ll try again later.
Hi anonymous. I didn’t realize it was chloroform Homolka used on her sister. I knew it was something she got at the vet’s where she worked. It wasn’t actually the drug that killed Tammy. It knocked her out and then she later choked on her own vomit and died. I agree about the duct tape in this case. I think it was the murder weapon.
How angry will everyone be if the media lawyer takes this to the appeals court and this case is then delayed another 6 months to a year?
Angry? I don’t think I would be angry as much as frustrated by it. This has gone on long enough. Caylee needs her justice and Casey Anthony and her family need to be made aware that actions have consequences in the real world.
The right of someone getting a fair trial is more important than the news agency getting the story first.
The Gatorade bottle and a Syringe to my knowledge can not be linked to Casey through any evidence, also it was my understanding the chloroform amount was considered what would be found in normal tap water, the highest drug levels found in it were for steroids.
I will have to do some digging but I do have some info I gathered when this first came out.
FBI lab technicians detected traces of chloroform inside a sports drink and plastic syringe recovered near the scene.
Authorities found a World of Disney bag near Caylee Anthony’s remains. Inside the bag investigators discovered a Gatorade Cool Blue bottle with unknown liquid and white sediment.
A syringe in a wrapper was found inside a toilet paper roll that was in the bottle.
The report from the FBI’s lab shows the Cool Blue-flavored Gatorade drink contained an “unknown liquid.” The bottle also contained a plastic bag labeled “Disposable Syringe Kit” with a plastic syringe inside of the bag.
A report generated in June and labeled “Summary of results” by Dr. Michael Rickenbach of the FBI indicates chemical tests show the syringe contained chloroform, testosterone, ethanol and water.
This was a post by me at that time also giving a theory
November 12 2009 at 11:23 AM
Judy Cain (Premier Login Judy Cain)
Forum Owner
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Every nurse carries in their car what is known as a “Sharps Box” it is a big red Bio-hazard box for used needles.
So it would not have been hard for Casey to have gotten a used needle that had a mix of other drugs in it.
And testosterone is used in the med field to treat some illness’es.
10% ethanol. Water. P value & Testosterone -used to prevent development of arthritis
ALSO it is used to treat dogs with arthritis.
Casey want’s the Media, it’ll give her grounds for an appeal, that’s why she cried. And I like how the Judge had to take away a Right from everyone else just so li’l Casey could get a fair trial. But Casey doesn’t want a fair trial, she wants a trial her way. We all lost a Civil Right because of Casey, in a way, Casey committed a Felony against all of us by taking away a Civil Right or even part of one
Casey also started tearing up when the Judge was talking about the internet. It has been a long time since you’ve surf’d, hasn’t it Casey?
Did you see Cindy? Red faced, shaking…What will she be like at trial??
Mason was getting alot of “Back Time” today…lol
FBI laboratory test results on the liquid reveals the level of chloroform in the liquid constitutes only about 12 parts per billion.
By comparison, drinking water can contain up to 80 parts per billion of chloroform and its chemical cousins and still pass the Environmental Protection Agency standards for chlorinated drinking water.
The FBI chemist who did the tests did not even mention chloroform in his final report, turned over to investigators in July 2009 two months after he started testing the substance.
In his report, Michael Rickenbach stated the whitish/murky liquid could be from a type of cleaning product. Additionally, a mixture of testosterone compounds was identified in both the bottle and syringe.
That would suggest the syringe and bottle may be connected to someone injecting testosterone a steroid often used by body builders and others seeking to increase muscle mass.
DNA tests on the bottle and syringe failed to produce any results.
Without any evidence tying Casey Anthony to the steroid mixture, Gatorade bottle or syringe, the contents of the World of Disney bag and its proximity to Caylee may be of no evidentiary value to either the state or the defense.
What I don’t understand is why the media is even fighting this. It’s not like they aren’t going to find out the day before. Why do they need to know before then? Only for nefarious purposes imo — what else could it be? I really hope they back down on this. YES I will be mad if this trial is delayed any longer. It is unfair to everyone working on this case, witnesses, LE etc. to make them wait another year. There is no good reason for this. I’m proud of wftv for not being part of the bullshit.
BEES, I am in hopes that once Judge Perry laid out his reasons, and stated that the trial was at risk, the media outlets in that motion will let it lay unchallenged.
All it would do is result in a costly delay of the trial, and once it resumes you can bet your bippy a gag order would be in place and NO Media would be allowed anywhere near the court.
Bees and Kim, et al- the smell of decomp eminating from the C or the smell of C emiating from the decomp has always been a difficult concepts for me. I really don’t know how to understand it. I will go back and reread Val’s analysis. I never cared for science. I cannot tell you the number of times Val has clarified things for me.
At the end of the day I think they can get Cindy to testify to what she smelled. George must have convinced the GJ that the logical link to a missing child and decomposition in Casey’s trunk allowed them to come to their conclusions which allowed them to charged her with Felony Murder. It’s not a hurdle for the prosecutors if this evidence is not admitted. I have always believed from January 2009 that the C was used to render Caylee unconscious while the duct tape sealed the airways which would prevent her from crying out,etc. Casey, placed her in the trunk evila. was she deirubevila.
judypc-I would be angry. Angry because ONE select group of people didn’t like ONE
ruling. Forgive me for the countless number of times that I have said the following-Casey Anthony deserves the best defense. Let there be full disclosure on both sides and let the games begin. Give her her day in court. Her representation should be the best and the brightest because she is the worst of the worst…..blah, blah,blah I nearly jumped out of my chair when I sensed he was about to rule!!! I stood up and said, YES!!!!!!! Judge Perry will see to it that this trial goes forward in the most judicious manner. Ms Anthony will have a fair trial and the first appeal will not be because of potential jurors were tainted. Her first appeal will be about how HER attorney disclosed priviledged information and dishonered the attorney client code of conduct. He was unethical. His retainer was paid for by the victim. He ought to keep his mouth shut. I better stop.
frankie-I really liked your 12:06pm post. At line 11 you were too timid. Why didn’t you cite the research you alluded to? I have never been able to cite it but I often wish someone would.
Hi everyone
I haven’t posted here before, but browse from time to time, but something just jumped out at me.
Thanks to Bees, I have now read JWG’s really great (and creepy!!) post, Nightmare on Suburban. And then return here to read about the Gatorade bottle and syringe, which I haven’t thought about in ages.
Could that have been the evidence she planted to point at someone else? (you have to take Nightmare on Suburban here as cannon in this scenario, which it’s not, and I’m just speculating anyways, lol)
Part of me thinks she wouldn’t have put enough thought into things, before or after, to come to conclusion that planting false evidence would be worth giving any effort. But the other part wouldn’t put a single thing past her.
I’d love to hear your thoughts. The bottle and syringe remind me of the old Sesame Street song, ‘One of these things is not like the other, One of these things, doesn’t belong’. Drugs of any kind that are not directly tied into the crime…. stinky to me!
BEES KNEES, I have NOT read that article but I plan to. Many at WS think KC went back to plant evidence due to the cell pings, possibly something belonging to Jesse Grund.
I just can’t believe the trial is nearly here, it seems like a poorly acted Reality Show staring KC, Baez, Mason & the ANT’s. Caylee is a distant memory to many associated with the nutjobs, but Caylee WON’T be lost on the Jury. Just think, if Mason & Baez could talk KC into begging for a plea of LWOP, they could save face, they could spin it that KC couldn’t get a fair trial. Ridiculous & embarassing. Baez HAS to finish this trial if he ever wants to become Death Penalty Qualified. I don’t kjnow how many cases they have to participate in, but Hornsby describes the process as difficult.
Amil, a blogger at WS attended the hearing today & said CA was in a great mood chatting up everyone & laughing, THEN when Judge P came in, she reverted to her drama, penetrating stare, shaking her head no, putting her head in her hands, JEEZ Louise, WHY hasn’t Judge p TOLD her this wouldn’t be tolerated? In the trial, imo, Judge P isn’t going to tolerate much.
Brad Conway once said, “they have to have the trial for there to be a movie!”
Here’s the link, art tart.
Nightmare on Suburban Street
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/03/15/nightmare-on-suburban-street/
**Anonymous said, on May 2, 2011 at 1:16 pm
frankie-I really liked your 12:06pm post. At line 11 you were too timid. Why didn’t you cite the research you alluded to? I have never been able to cite it but I often wish someone would.**
Anon while I appreciate your kind words, I am a bit confused as to the line 11 research. If you meant that comment about continuing jury selection if there is progress, Judge Perry made that statement in one of the hearings, but I do not remember which one. It was recently. Possibly someone else does. If this is the portion you are interested in, I can attempt to provide a link.
Here is a link to a wonderful article on Judge Perry, his upbringing, the mistakes he’s made and the toll this case is taking on him.
http://www.orlandomagazine.com/Orlando-Magazine/April-2011/Order-in-His-Court/
Enjoy!
@Judypc’s comment, on May 2, 2011 at 12:42 pm (about the chloroform)
Does this mean the chloroform in the truck is no evidence in relation to Caylee?
Frankie, thanks for providing the link on Judge P again. I provided it awhile back but some JUST want follow the links & at this late date, refuse to enlighten themselves. Even Hornsby posted the link on his site saying it was one of the best articles he’s seen.
imo, Judge P has had enough, it has been a long time coming for him to run out of patience but the time has arrived, imo, he’s going to shut down any shennigans in his Court Room starting with Jury Selection if the Defense tries to continue with their arrogance, incompetence, & disrespect for his courtroom.
@Art Tart…you are welcome. I truly jope he is tired of the shenanigans and I hope he shuts down the bullchit the defense pulls. I am a bit annoyed that he has allowed it this long.
@ ina: How could the chloroform saturation in the trunk NOT be related to Caylee’s death in one way or another? I believe JudyPC said she did not think the chloroform in the syringe was in sufficient quantities to be of any significance.
So there was chloroform in the syringe, but that has nothing to do with the chloroform in the trunk? That I don’t understand. Can’t the chloroform from the syringe have been spoiled in the trunk? (just wondering). Then it is interesting where the syringe came from etc?
Retired Judge Eaton, he was NOT Chief Judge before he retired after a long career, but he is going to be an “Analyst for WESH for the Trial.”
He was ask today: “SHOULD THE ANTHONY’S BE ALLOWED TO SIT THROUGH THE TRIAL!”
Judge Eaton’s response:
“I have had attorneys who represent victims file motions to intervene in a criminal prosecution and I have denied them on the basis of lack of “standing” to bring the motion. Of course, the State Attorney or defense counsel could properly bring the motion before the court for a ruling.”
http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/27761705/detail.html
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Judge Eaton pointed out if legally the “Anthony’s even had a claim or standing to be heard,” he added, “RARELY ARE THE RULINGS EVER OVERTURNED ON APPEAL!”
With Amil from WS describing CA before the hearing, & immediately when Judge P comes in, she goes into DRAMA MODE, she & KC are so much alike! NO wonder her flippin attorney left, it must be humilating sitting next to her.
I will be very suprised if the Anthonys’s aren’t humilated when testifying & perjury charges come right after the trial.
frankie, @line 11: “If one is having difficulties comprehending the matter, either research it….or ASK to have it explained again! The use of the word’ignorance” as used, was not a derogatory term. In the context of the senstence, Val was simply indicating that the man was not educated in the subject matter being discussed.”
I felt this was an informative and kindhearted response and thought you were referring to research by D/K. It’s perfectly fine if you were not. Sorry if I confused you. One thing is for certain-your post was excellent.
Anonymous: I am not actually familiar with whatever took place on the other blog as I don’t read there. Did once, discovered it was not to my liking and didn’t go back. I do, however, read frequently at THM. I actually started following THM because of a discussion on this blog. Valhall responded to a post! that I made. She was debunking my post so I went to THM to check her out! LOL turns out, IMO, she did know exactly what she was talking about and I was very wrong! I have followed her blog since then. There is so much to learn there. I simply would hate for others to miss out on the wealth of information on THM by false accusations against Valhall. While she doesn’t hesitate to correct misinformation, I have never found her to be condescending. I have never witnessed any “character assassination”. As a matter of fact, she insists that bloggers do not disparage other blogs on her blog and asks that if a contributor has issue with her, they contact her. The only other policy that I am aware of is that one cannot wish anyone else to hell…..not even casey anthony or osama bin laden! LOL
At any rate, no harm, no foul! And I tried not to promote one site over the other because, as I said, I only frequent one of them.
Heard on the news that cindy and george are trying to visit casey again and will ask HHJP to block the resulting video from public view. They haven’t heard from bozo on whether casey will agree. My question is….why are they so ridiculous about the public viewing the video? I happily tell the world how much I love my kids and am not worried about how anyone views those feelings. I am pretty sure casey isn’t going to confess the whole thing to them because it surely isn’t going to be kept from the State! It seems to me that their sole intention is to garner yet more media attention! Perhaps they want to sell the video themselves!
Also, Nejames thinks casey must testify! How interesting….wonder if she will???
I feel like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz, only I’m tapping the heels of my boots together while continuoulsly repeating, “I do believe what Mr. Schaeffer says! I do believe what Mr. Schaffer says!” and the Court of Appeals will uphold Judge Perry’s ruling so that this trial will proceed without delay.
http://www.wftv.com/video/27749087/index.html
Autumn, I too love Bill Sheaffer, imo, he projects fairness, confidence, & propfessionalism, something Mason/Baez could learn to do if they weren’t so inept & arrogant.
Frankie, judypc & I discussed this a little the other night, I thought she would never take the stand but I NEVER thought KC’s attorney’s could have screwed up so much, they have NO OPTIONS now, besides filing endless losing MOTIONS for the the last 3 years, I don’t see that the Defense has accomplished one thing.
I now think taking the stand is the only option left, ONLY KC can tell her LIES, accuse Tubesocks & GA of sexually abusing her, WHY she was so scared of the imiagninanny, how she hoped to draw out the kidnapper of Caylee by Bumping & Grinding in her pushup bra on the stripper pole. The STATE has the timeline so freakin tight KC, imo, will be called out for lying on the stand by the STATE when she tries to explain how she conducted her own investigation.
Judypc said she has thought for a long time that KC would take the stand, great insight, one thing about those skanks that are narcissistic is they think EVERYONE IS STUPID but them, that surely they will believe her lies.
How sad, the Anthony’s have requested to have a visit with KC. The Anthonby’s said it would be up to KC. I knew this would happen, imo, the Anthony’s want to beg KC to ask for a plea, they don’t want to see her get the DP or spend the rest of her life in jail, but, imo, she couldn’t get better than LWOP.
Seems Mr.l Lippman is another idiot, he VOWS to fight if the Video were released to the public. UHHHHHH Moron! Judge P wouldn’t entertain the MOTION, is Lippman just NUTS at this late date?
snip:
“I am told her parents are waiting for her to decide whether or not they will have a video visitation,” WKMG’s Tony Pipitone reported. “Defense attorney Jose Baez was made aware of the parents’ request this week, and so far, George and Cindy Anthony have not heard back from their daughter’s attorney.”
The parents’ attorney, Mark Lippman, told WKMG that he would fight the release of video of such a visit. But such a fight depends on whether Casey agrees to see her parents at the Orange County Jail.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/
KC has had Baez on IGNORE, NOW Baez will be the one who decides if KC canj see her parent’s.
So, the media has appealed the ruling and risks delaying the trial for their own self interests. Why don’t a few Americans get together and file a class action suit against these “media” idiots? I’m sure a legal reason could be found for doing so, after all it is your tax dollars at work here. Wonder what a delay in the trial would cost, not to mention the right for the accused to have the trial in a “reasonable” time frame.
http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/1217/21995916.pdf
If I’m understanding Judge Strickland’s ruling regarding jailhouse visits correctly, the powers that be at the jail will have to agree not to video tape such a meeting, which isn’t likely, because their policy is to video all meetings, correct?
Wouldn’t Judge Perry abide by Judge Strickland’s ruling and preview such a video taped visit prior to its release to the public? What has Casey to fear if this is the case? If there’s nothing incriminating in the video it would be released. On the other hand, if during this meeting her parents ask her to cope a plea, that would be incriminating, so it’s doubtful that Judge Perry would allow the release, right? So, what’s her problem? Could it be that because the defense’s plan is to implicate her parents, and in particular George, Casey has been advised not to see them?
art tart, I find it rather comical that Baez is in the KC dog house and Mason appears to be “the man” of the hour! Casey can’t afford to fire him, though. If she did, who would she have to blame for ineffective representation of counsel? lol
Thanks to THM I have given up the notion that the sport bottle is somehow connected, though I gave it up somewhat relunctantly for all of its oddity. The trunk evidence, however, can by no means be discounted. Even if the “sniffer” evidence isn’t allowed in, it won’t change anything. Enough real noses smelled what they smelled, and more than a few of those noses could be considered experts, to include George Anthony’s own nose. If it smells like a skunk, it’s a skunk.
Beast, anyone, would it be at all unethical for Judge Perry to, with all of his connections and considering his status within the judicial system, try to push for an expedious ruling on the media motion? If he can, I think he will.
oops, I meant cop a plea, not cope a plea, and I think there will be one, a plea. Will the state accept it? I highly doubt it; but you never know. I wonder too if what the Anthony’s want to speak to Casey about wouldn’t involve her counsel and the hammering out of her allegations of fear and abuse, so they are all on the same page when it comes to why she didn’t report Caylee missing for 31 days. Isn’t that something they would have to sit down and discuss if George is willing to be implicated in some way? Perhaps her sudden snubbery of Baez is all just another act to throw everyone off track?
Mr and mrs Anthony are witnesses and family of the victim ánd of the accused, this surely is not the first time a witness is a family member at the same time in a murder trial, so there must be a fixed rule for cases like this. Why not just stick to that rule? The wheel doesnl’t have to be invented for every case?
Ina, the Anthony’s HAVE NO STANDING as the Retired Judge said. I furnished you the link. The Anthony’s are NOT NEXT OF KIN, they are the miserable grandparent’s that have bilked every dime from Caylee’s murder. KC damn well knows who the father of Caylee is & it is NOT someone that was killed in an automobile accident. Many have opined that the STATE knows. The family of the deceased young man NEVER heard of Caylee or KC. It’s really unfortuante that this entire miserable family will lie until they die, Caylee’s father is THE NEXT OF KIN, not GA/CA~!
Ina, think of it this way, IF Caylee had murdered KC, then the Anthony’s WOULD BE next of kin as KC’s parent’s, but they are not Caylee’s next of kin NOR are they her parent’s..
@tart:
How do you know the father of Caylee is still alive if the mother says he isn’t? No father ever came forward for Caylee, so dead or not, he has never been a dad to her.
Absolutely do I agree with you art tart, and if I might take it one step further by saying, not only do the Anthonys NOT have any standing, and not only are they witnesses, they are suspect accomplices after the fact!
Just because the state has not yet charged them with anything such as “evidence tampering” “concealment” “falsifying information” and attempts to mislead investigators does not mean their “prior bad acts” will not have to be accounted for, at some point in time, making them all the more disqualified to be inside the courtroom during any testimony. As far as I am concerned, they should have been jailed, bailed, gagged and sitting quietly while awaiting their own trials.
Dad can’t come forward if he doesn’t know he is Dad! casey screwed everyone who would have her……the biological Dad probably doesn’t know he is the father. Matters not if he had anything to do with Caylee, the bio Dad is the legal next of kin. Grandparents have no standing if the parent is alive, even though she is in jail. The anthonys would would only have legal standing if they had been declared Caylee’s guardians while she was alive.
I think the purpose of the visitation is to try to get the accident theory out there without casey takiing the stand. After all, the anthonys have no privilege. Nothing casey tells them is protected.
So the father was in a coma when he made Caylee? If he is alive, how come he never bothered to inform anyone he was the father? Surely he must have heard about the trial?
Autumn, actually there is no reason to see them as suspects, the State doesn’t, so it is not relavent to think otherwise.
Sure is heating up here ………..
I believe you’re right, Frankie. They’d all have to work on the details of how afraid Casey was of telling anyone Caylee was dead due to her fear of her parents. Especially Cindy. Wouldn’t you suppose that George and Cindy would have to admit to some form of abusiveness that would cause Casey to be so fearful, which would all play into a “poor Casey” scenario, and back to Casey being the real victim here?
This much we know, Lee is not Caylee’s father. George is not Caylee’s father. Jesse is not Caylee’s father. Casey probably doesn’t know who Caylee’s father is, and I strongly suspect that her father isn’t dead. He just doesn’t know. But if he did? How many guys out there are wondering if Caylee might be their child? I’m sure it’s crossed more than a few minds.
Round and round she goes ……where she stops….. nobody knows ………..
Just because the state hasn’t charged them with anything doesn’t meant the state won’t, in the future. I hope they are charged at the close of this trial. I’d like to hear their testimony as to why they removed the car from Johnson’s when it smelled “like a dead body had been in the damn car!” And that’s just for starters.
Court Seating and Decorum Rules
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/may/239251/casey-anthony-trial-tickets?cmpid=twitter
Autumn: Why would anyone who thinks he may be Caylee’s dad come forward now? He can’t do a thing for her and would only subject himself to the anthony circus! LOL I think bio Dad will forever hold his tongue! After all, he might could take a small stand for Caylee, but at what cost? He would have to hire an attorney, etc and would have his private life publicly displayed. And, he would certainly be accused by the anthonys and the attorneys! Nope, if I was him, I would stay very, very quiet and hope no one ever found out.
I hope they are charged as well. Their criminal activities are well documented and, as you said, why did they move that car?
ina: That is absurd! I knew better than to do this with you. Think really, really hard and you might just figure out how a young man would be totally unaware of fathering a child with a lying, skanky hore.
So this young (?) man would have had an affair with a woman he never would hear of ever again, he would not know he had made a child, eventhough she was in the news a few years later. How come Casey is a whore and he is next of kin in this concept?
Ecossie on THM had a great theory. the scamthonys go to the jail where casey tearfully confesses the accident and that she just couldn’t bear to disappoint her dear parents, so she lied. cindy comes out and, grieving grandmother that she pretends to be, spills the beans on her MOTY beaut and the networks pick it up and loop it endlessly throughout the weekend preceding jury selection. Can we say TAINTING the jury pool??????
“So this young (?) man would have had an affair with a woman he never would hear of ever again, he would not know he had made a child, eventhough she was in the news a few years later.”
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Ina, you are being totally ridiculous this morning. Have you ever heard of a one night stand as opposed to an affair which usually lasts a bit longer? Casey traveled around the Orlando area and most likely had a ONS with someone she met in a bar and never saw him again. If she didn’t know that much about him, she may not have known how to get in touch with him or he may have been so unsavory she didn’t want to if she could. Have you thought of the fact that even if this person knew he had sex with Casey once, do you think he would be dumb enough to put himself in the middle of this mess? IMO, who ever HE is doesn’t know he is the father.
Whoops: Agreed. I even think casey may have had limited prostitution experience. I am not convinced that cindy supported her free wheeling, partying lifestyle for years and I don’t think she had friends that had enough money she could steal to do so. There has never been any drug money tied back to casey or even implied involvement with drugs. But a trick here and there could have easily helped support her lifestyle along with the thievery and support from her mother.
Insession is reporting that the appeals court has the appeal. Hopefully they uphold Judge Perry’s decision today.
If he is the kind of man who has one night stands with skanky whores, no perservatives whatever, he is not important either. Not someone who even wants to be next of kin. So dead or not, there is no father.
Now who is next of kin, apart from Casey?
It doesn’t mean Cindy and George should be in court perhaps, as they are also witnesses. I don’t know how the rules are. That was what I tried to find out with my question earlier.
“So dead or not, there is no father.”
Ina, for heaven sake there has to be a father either deceased or alive unless Casey had an immaculate conception. It is just that it is unknown to anyone but Casey, that is if she really knows.
“Now who is next of kin, apart from Casey?”
At this point only Casey unless the father is alive.
LOL…selective comprehension perhaps, no? Father or not…..casey is next of kin as she is alive…Now I am done with the subject. Someone appears to be feigning ignorance again.
bozo just said on insession that he is negatively portrayed in the press because he “put people in their place” by making the press park across the street instead of his parking lot. What a hoot! I suppose he doesn’t realize that he gets “negative” press because he is a dirt bag idiot??? LOL
Whoops, that means that there IS not father to be as such – the next of kin- in the court room, so who is next in line as such? “The blood relatives entitled by law to inherit the property of a person who dies without leaving a valid will, although the term is sometimes interpreted to include a relationship existing by reason of marriage.” This is a quote from West’s Encyclopedia of American Law as foundhere: http://www.answers.com/topic/next-of-kin#ixzz1LPzhtU4C
I am not feigning ignorance but looking for answers in the legal field of this case. It looks to me at the moment Casey is the next of kin, but would she officially inherit anything belonging to Caylee while she is accused of her murder, so also legally, is she still the next of kin?
Can a person in jail inherit in the USA? Is an accused, a suspect, still seen as next of kin?
And if she is not legally, then who is at the moment?
I only found this and this is from wikipedia so not sure if it is any use.
“Order of precedence in the United States
“American statutes typically provide that, in absence of issue and subject to the share of a surviving spouse, intestate property passes to the parents or to the surviving parent of the decedent.” Under the civil law system of computation and its various modified forms that are widely adopted by statute in the United States, “a claimant’s degree of kinship is the total of (1) the number of the steps, counting one from each generation, from the decedent up to the nearest common ancestor of the decedent and the claimant, and (2) the number of steps from the common ancestor down to the claimant.”
“The claimant having the lowest degree count (i.e., the nearest or next of kin) is entitled to the property.”
“If there are two or more claimants who stand in equal degree of kinship to the decedent, they share per capita.”
Thus, the following conditions determine the usual order of precedence:
* In the absence of issue (i.e., children, grandchildren, and on down the line) and in absence of your parents and their issue and grandparents and of their issue (termed “inner circle” and are usually specifically mentioned in a statute), relatives who are closer in “degree” to the person in question always take precedence. For the purposes of this point, “To determine any person’s degree of relation to the decedent, begin with the decedent and follow the line that connects the decedent with the other person. Each person that must be passed through before reaching the final person adds one degree to the total, including the final person.”
* “Of multiple relations with the same degree, those connecting through a nearer ancestor are more closely related to the descendent.”
Under these rules, an order of precedence is established. Here are the first few in the order (specifically, those up to degree 6):
* Note that although, a decedent’s children and parents, grandchildren and siblings, great-grandchildren and nephews, respectively, are the same number of relationships away, children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, and so forth, will inherit property before anyone else. Thus, a great-grandchild, for instance, will take before a decedent’s parent. Furthermore, all of the living descendants of the decedent’s parent (if one had no issue of one’s own) will take first, before the living descendants of grandparents take. For example, a nephew will take before an uncle.
1. Children
2. Parents
3. Grandchildren
4. Siblings
5. Grandparent
6. Great-Grandchild
7. Niece/Nephew
8. Aunt/Uncle
9. Great Grandparent
10. Great Niece/Great Nephew
11. Great-Great Grandchild
12. First Cousin
13. Great Aunt/Great Uncle
14. Great-Great Grandparent
15. Great-Great Grandchild
16. Great-Grandnephews/nieces
17. First Cousins Once Removed (the children of first cousins and descendants of Grandparents)
18. First Cousins Once Removed (the descendants of Great-Grandparents)
19. Great-Grand Uncles/Aunts
20. Great-Great-Great Grandchild
21. Great-Great-Great Grandparent
22. First Cousin Twice Removed (the descendants of Grandparents)
23. Second Cousin
24. First Cousin Twice Removed (the descendant of Great-Great Grandparent)”
So I think George and Cindy Anthony might be the legal next of kin of Caylee Anthony.
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Don’t know, don’t care.
I think we are going to see jury selection Monday! They will take comments until Fri @ 10:00, then take most of the day to decide, then announce late Fri. afternoon…..at which point it becomes moot! LOL foiled again bozo!
EWWWW pity party foghorn! Wants understanding and empathy for felon anthony.
Long day. Worked late. Whoops said, “Selective comprehension.” I like that! It’s right up there with Whoops’ Immaculate Conception! lmao!
Frankie, nope. No one’s touching that with a ten foot pole. Well, maybe. There might be some dude out there who sorta remembers that he might have had a one night stand with Casey in the back of his daddy’s pick-m-up truck, and so maybe he just might be Caylee’s father, which will entitle him to write a book, when it’s all over. Can’t you just see it? Gawd, there might be a dozen of those come flying out of no where! Of course, they’ll all still be doing time, or out on parole. Now I regret not having read the jail house letters.
Ina, although it seems you are worried again for the plight of the Anthony’s. It was so hard for you to understand Fla. was a STATE that has the Death Penalty as an Option. It’s NOT a debate on who believes in the DP or not, we explained to you that not all STATES have the DP & if KC was going to murder someone, she picked the wrong STATE. It’s the Law, it’s just that simple.
Here again, Retired Judge Eaton has said the Anthony’s HAVE NO STANDING! Nothing else matters, the STATE of Fla. is not about to OVERTURN their laws, imo, for a couple of lying grandparent’s that CLAIM to be next of kin, Judge Eaton explained KC is Caylee’s next of kin, NOT GA/CA. Ina, again, It’s just that simple!
That riidiculous MOTION that has now been filed on behalf of GA/CA by their attorney wanting a “Private Meeting for GA/CA & KC! LOL! Again, the LAWS that EVERY SINGLE MURDERER faces in Fla., are going to apply to KC & her family. You see INA, they aren’t unique, imo, this miserable family has exposed what their family was like to the public & sadly, what poor little Caylee lived her short life until KC murdered her.
Thanks for the answer. I had not heard about this retired judge. I am not worried for the Anthony’s. I wanted to know something about law, that is all. No standing means no right to be there I suppose. Probably because they are witnesses, or has this judge some speciial law for the Anthony family lol. As he is retired, I don’t think what he says might be true btw. I see no reason why there should be a special ruling in this case. I read somewhere witnesses have no right to attend the trial, but as this trial is broadcasted on tv, I suppose it therefore makes no difference for the procedure if they are there or not.
Are you saying the grandparents abused Caylee in some way, is that so, or is that just the build up opinion after 3 years of various nonsense about this family. Blogs and commenters have said so many things, I have no idea what happend in that house. If they mistreated her, I hope they will get justice’s wrath. But they don’t seem to be a suspect of anything though?
Grr sorry for the “but” and “though” in one sentence. I focussed on spelling.
What I would like to find before this trial starts, is a sort of explaining about the procedure of a murder trial in general. I can’t find it googling. I don’t expect to follow all of the trial as it consumes a lot of time. Will they ask Casey out front if she is guilty, they have already asked that so not sure. That kind of things. Is there a sort of scenario?
Here you go ina….start here: http://www.ehow.com/list_6873199_rules-evidence-murders-florida.html
IMO, the anthonys abused Caylee by virtue of the fact that she lived in their home since birth and they allowed her to be “missing” for 31 days with no plausible explanation of her whereabouts. That is MOO and most don’t agree. There has not been any viable discussion of the anthonys abuse of Caylee by the blogs I visit because the no life bloggers that I associate with don’t believe the anthonys abused her in any way. They think that is a lie that casey and her attorneys are using to shift the focus and blame away from casey. However, that being said, 99.99% of thinking people believe that the anthonys ARE guilty of obstruction, tampering and lying to LE in a criminal investigation.
Autumn: I can just see it now…a plethora of books written by men claiming to have boinked the princess and possibly fathered Caylee! After all, she apparently never met a man that she didn’t spread her legs for! Several at a time if memory serves me correctly!
I wonder why DCF has visited casey in jail? According to WFTV: http://www.wftv.com/news/27779203/detail.html
The jail said Casey hasn’t had many off-camera visitors since it started keeping records on October 15, 2008. Most have been connected to the law firm of defense attorney Jose Baez. There also have been some visits by workers with the Department of Children and Families.
I knew they originally interviewed her concerning Caylee’s disappearance, but I thought that was while she was out on bail. I could be wrong, will have to go back and look.
@ArtTart: You have the patience of Job!
I used to believe that the only stupid question was the one that wasn’t asked. I have changed my mind. The really stupid question is the one that is asked repeatedly and once answered, is asked again in a way that defies common sense. Just sayin……..
Frankie, Retired Judge Eaton said earlier in the week, “the Anthony’s haven’t been charged with anything, YET!” Most expect the ANT’s to be charged with something after the trial, Caylee’s grandparent’s won’t illicit sympathy from the Jury WHICH if they continue with the same behavior we have seen for 3 years, While they blame everyone but KC for putting them in this position.
Ina-Casey and Lee are considered next of kin to George and Cindy. Even if paternity was established it is moot. How could Caylee’s father factor into the trial if he was not involved before, during or after the commission of the crime? I am quite confident that the person who had unprotected sex with Casey Anthony remembers the evening in November of 2004. Someone had relations with Casey and did not know she became pregnant. How sad for this little victim to know that both parents were emotionally absent -one didn’t know and the other didn’t care.
Anon, you are so right. Casey would have been around 18 when she got pregnant with Caylee. Who knows how many guys she was banging back then. I don’t believe for a minute that this Eric Baker who was supposed to have died in an accident is the father. If true, that could easily be proven and to my knowledge it hasn’t. And if it were true, I am sure that Cindy would have forced Casey to go after child support at the very least. That whole story stinks to high heaven.
Whoops: I agree…if the deceased Eric Baker were the father, it would have been a win-win for the anthonys. They would have filed for SS death benefits for Caylee and wouldn’t have had to worry about the dad wanting to see her. I don’t think casey knows because she was running around like an alley cat. I still wonder if she wasn’t dabbling in a little prostitution to support her lifestyle! Meet a man in a bar for a couple hundred? Sounds like her to me.
@ina: This site will answer many of your questions:
http://www.wesh.com/r/27786629/detail.html#COMMENTTOP
Let’s all give this our very best efforts. Yuri deserves to win this after the amount of abuse he suffered at the hands of the anthonys. And we would would get extra satisfaction knowing how p’eed off cindy and the defense will be once he wins. Let’s really give it our all. We can only vote for three more days so let’s make them count.
http://www.amw.com/allstar/2011/vote.cfm?id=9324
Whoops and frankie-Remember way back when KioMarie went to the neighbors who lived across the street from the Anthony’s? She was close to this family for some reason and shortly after the media blitz began in July of 2008 she spoke with them and told them essentially what she would eventually tell police.(that if Casey did kill Caylee she would have hidden her in the woods behind their elem sch.
She was interviewed on or about July 23, 2008. This gentleman called police after talking with KioMarie and shortly thereafter two detectives interviewed him at his home. I can recall what he said about Casey and guys. This was the first indication to me that Casey was difficult to supervise and without boundaries or morals since she was about 14years old.
“Casey had guys coming over to her house for years. You should have seen that driveway…there were cars lined up from here to Ohio.”
According to Robert Hare, promiscuity is a personality trait of psychopaths. From my reading of the literature, I never got the impression that sex was pleasureable for them but that it was the closest thing they could come to feeling something-anything but nothing. She longed for belongingness but knew that she was an outsider. Although she is happy in her own skin and gets pleasure from mocking and manipulating others, she does have to pretend to have normal feelings like empathy and grief. IMO the fear of exposing her psychopathy was what kept her in a constant state of high alert. (I think this is why George and Cindy Anthony are trying to get Casey to see them. They know her like no one else does and they want to impress upon her that every dirty little secret about what went on in that dark, dark place called “home” will be thrown up and in their faces for the next 10 weeks. They fear for Casey as they should.)
Anonymous said, on May 5, 2011 at 1:58 pm
“They fear for Casey as they should.)”
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I have heard nothing in the media that indicates that Casey wants to see or talk to George and Cindy. As this comes down to the wire i think that Casey is in protect herself mode and is scared chitless. I also believe that George and Cindy are just as scared as you say their dirty little secrets being thrown in their faces. I think the reason they want to see Casey is because “They fear for themselves as they should.” Casey knows something that will put G&C in the gray bar hotel and I hope it comes out other than what we already know about those two.
Anonymous, are you referring to Bailey Dickens, the neighbor of the Anthony’s?
“Motion Filed To Keep Casey’s Parents Out Of Courtroom”
As much as I cannot stand the sight of George and Cindy Anthony, their scumbag daughter will try to pin it on one of them? Shameful. But, payback is a bitch. THEY tried to point the finger at anyone but Casey. Lets see who will keep Casey on pork rinds when she is sent to prison! LOL!
HOW COOL IS THAT Linda New York?
These miserable grand parent’s need to get it through their thick head’s they are going to be painted as horrible parent’s. anbusive, & that KC STILLS DICTATES to them, it’s all about her, it all was, & it always will be.
Whoops- I can imagine certain things going on but this time it’s not incest or sexual abuse -sadly I believe it is far worse. I also believe that they know the COD (I posted that above) and that the two are connected in some way. Of course we know that it wouldn’t take a “rocket scientist” to know that Ms Anthony did not need a crash course in “neck breaking” to take the life of a fragile and developing child nor would she need to craft the perfect household weapon when it was not called for. The Anthony’s know something is coming in about them as well as Casey’s proclivity for violence and abuse of Caylee. Does the DA have evidence relative to Ms Anthony’s dangerousness? George and Cindy knew something back in July 2008 that they didn’t want others to know. They warned Casey that the longer Caylee remained missing and possibly dead the possibility of this information being leaked was of concern to them. I can’t recall if Casey reacted. She more than likely didn’t care.
I don’t think they are worried about what falls down after the family tree is shaken a couple of times. The unprotected information that will be discussed during the penalty phase will have Ms Anthony screaming inside while she routinely attempts to realign her mascara and dig into her tearless eyes.
muesli-I really don’t know. If Bailey Dickens is the neighbor and was interviewed about the Anthony’s then I would have to say yes. Did you read the same thing I did? I’ll go now and see what I can dig up. Thanks so much for remembering.
Ok, the DT has tipped their hand and now we know where they are going. They are going to say that George is the one that killed Caylee.
http://www.wftv.com/news/27793602/detail.html
There is no other reason for the defence to want to keep them out of the court room. Can you believe this? WOW
What story will be next?
I really think that the defense will attempt to create reasonable doubt by blaming george for Caylee’s murder. And I think that it is being done with the anthony family blessing. bozo and mason are liars and sneaks….they know the State can never prove george had anything to do with Caylee’s death, but if they can make just one juror believe that he COULD have, they have their reasonable doubt. I think the anthonys are in collusion with them in order to save the skank.
Casey is not thinking clearly. She will be safer in jail than on the streets. If she somehow manages to “get off” because of reasonable doubt or some other BS there is no doubt that Caylee will get Justice but it will happen on the street somewhere.
Hi art tart. Yup, they deseve whatever is coming their way.
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Save for two, I have been enjoying ALL the conversation/comments here the past few weeks.
If the Anthony family has given their blessing to paint reasonable doubt by pointing the finger at George, than they are bigger idoits than I already think they are.
It’s no wonder why this case has so much publicity!
Have faith, Beast. This girl will not get away with murder.
Here is Bailey Dickens interview as posted on WS
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91563
The defense strategy is as malignant as Casey’s narcissism. Her psychopathy has truly taken hold of her and she is blind to her own eventual demise. She is as dumb as dirt but her attorneys bring new meaning to “a poverty of ideas”.
Bailey Dickens is quite a character. Here is the audio of his interview. The interview starts off with Mrs. Dickens, but Bailey takes over:
Oops, I just meant to leave the link. Sorry.
Oh yeah, I remember that interview now!
It’s difficult to know what bullchit theory the Defense Team is scheming.
On IN SESSION in an interview this week, Mason/Mumbles hinted that it was an accident, & again it was hinted in another interview. Mason also warned, “that more tragic information is coming out for the Anthony’s.” Obviously their PRO BONO Atorney is so out of touch with the Enormous Bus that is comng right at them, Lippit whining to the public in a desperate attempt to get an answer from Baez as to whether than can see KC. LOL, while they are begging to see KC, KC & her team are preparing to expose the sexual & physcical abuse KC percieved.
Though I am NOT a fan of the self absorbed self promoting drama obsessed grandparent’s, they better get a freaking grip of exactly what is happening here. imo, they better get an Attorney that understands: NO CHANCE IN HELL of sitting through the trial. The DEFENSE/KC DOESN’T want them there for good reason! Filing a ridiculous motion of over 70 pages, wasting the Court’s time & Judge P’s time has just shown how out of touch their Attorney is with Baez & Scheme Team.
The Caylee Daily has been posting how many hours a day KC is getting with here team,
Finnell & Sims for 4 hours a day a couple of days along with Jeanne Barret, mediator who has complied endless information on the family/KC. Even mumbles visited & it was ONLY HIS 2nd & 3rd Visit.
For KC to complete the plan of claiming an accident & blamiing the ANT’s for everything that has happened, KC will have to take the stand, doesn’t seem there is any way around it.
No doubt, all the secrets CA has protected are gong to come to light, ONly KC can share them! Of course the STATE wlll rip KC a new one, but THEN, that would mean the Anthony’s were complicit in the lies KC has told, it will put the Anthony’s probably in a position of ther LIES exposed to the JURY & possible charges of obstruction or perjury, too, that “limited immunty deal” the STATE gave the Anthony’s may become VOID!
The biggest problem for GA/CA imo, is they have burnt every single bridge, the STATE sees them for who they are & KC is determined if she is going down, so are they. Judge Strckland, “yes, the irony is rich!”
Judge Perry sent the Anthonys and their attorney to Civil court with their motion….
This was reported yesterday by WFTV, but an article about it is not online.
So, if the anthonys want to pay 400 bucks to get a civil judge to entertain their woes that is their only recourse….
As for the public pleadings and asking Baez…it is ALL smoke and mirrors and complete bunk……just ignore it all…if the Anthonys or their attorney really wanted to know if Casey would see them, all they had to do is write her a letter and ask her…or go down there and request visitation and see if she accepts…..
This is all more of the same IMO high drama, dysfunctional BS…..and IMO very likely purposely done and prior orchestrated….
The judge will bounce any motion for no video of visits too if they dare funnel that bs before Perry.
These people NEVER learn it seems, WRONG court….or do they know and just do this all on purpose knowing they are approaching the WRONG court…..
RS-Although the Anthony’s can go down to the jail and request visitation they didn’t. Casey doesn’t want to visit with them. She will say that it is on the advice of her counsel. It looks like the Anthony’s attorney is working on behalf of Mr Baez’ trial stategy. Mr and Mrs Anthony want to make Casey aware of the fact that she moves forward at her own peril. The “drama” in my opinion is absent. The Anthony’s are trying to throw Casey a life jacket and she is saying, “Get lost. I have my Jose.” There is an oncoming train but they don’t see it because they are already crushed.
My prediction:
The appeal judges will order Perry to disclose jury selection location vacating his ruling….
I know I seem in minority compared to legal analysts appearing in media but I believe the media attorney is correct….
RS said, —————— I tend to agree with you.
This has been a great conversation. Thank you to Museli for supplying that video. I always thought I read the depo but when I watched the YouTube video I think I actually listened to it. Bailey was so intense and his wife was so informed and composed. Anyone for “chalk and cheese”?
RS-I think the judges will move forward and accept Judge Perry’s argument for the confidentiality ruling.
My prediction relative to the sequestration: The Anthony are going to be witnesses for both sides so when the defense finishes with them they should be allowed in. Maybe it’s different in Florida.
Art Tart jurors will never tolerate what Mr Baez is trying to do and I think George and Cindy are trying to help Casey.
BTW does anyone know where NoTrial4Casey is these days? Whoops and Autumn are practicing clicking their red shoes together. I practiced yesterday and I’m good to go. Now get in here and make a prediction.
I say Casey was crying before court was because Judge Perry called the Hearing and Casey didn’t know about it and wasn’t prepared, she didn’t know what the hearing was about and that scared her…Casey wasn’t in control…
The only sexual and physical abuse Casey got was by her choice of Johns…
I’m sure that if Casey’s parents said “NO” to her having an endless line of guys outside the house waiting their turn, wouldn’t let her have money when she wanted it and spanked her when she was bad. That Casey would consider that as abuse.
Lets say that Casey does go free…Can you imagine what living in that house would be like…Casey demanding an accounting of all monies made from Caylee…What would Cindy and George do with that thing in the house, pretend everythings back to normal? They would have an extra room to rent out to Amy.
JUDGE PERRY TO ALLOW THE ANTHONY’s IN THE TRIAL DESPITE KC’S OBECTIONS”!
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/05/06/florida.casey.anthony/
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I am shocked by this as the law could have gone either way, BUT, Judge Perry knows exactly WHO will be blamed in thiscluster of a defense, MAYBE he thinks, if KC testifys, she will be looking directly at the one’s that are being blamed!
Had Judge Perry NOt WAITED so long for his decsion, I think the STATE would have objected. I trust Judge Perry’s judgement, Judge Eaton said these decisions are rarely overturned so even if the DEFENSE files another MOTION objecting, it’s too late.
JUDGE PERRY ALLOWS ANTHONY’S INTO THE TRIAL!
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-friday-develop20110506,0,2019880.story
http://www.wftv.com/index.htmlhttp://www.wftv.com/index.html
http://www.wftv.com/index.html
PARENT’S ALLOWESD IN DURING TRIAL!
Sorry, I messed the above lnk up!
Doug and Art Tart-I am not surprised but I was pleased with the proviso that if they acted out they would be “expelled”. I haven’t heard anything about the Media Motion but I am sure that JVM will let us know if there is any Breaking News and her “fabulous panel” will surely break it all down for us.
I fear what went on in that home, if revealed, would shock us all. I also believe that Cindy and George do not want what went on behind closed doors to come into the trial. Sadly, there will be evidence from many first responders, LP and TM who will have first impressions to share. Bentley and Joyce certainly knew the score. I think Cindy was in complete and utter fear of Casey. Mrs Pleasea and her sons will have an objective analysis of just who Casey was and the overwhelming difficulties Cindy faced parenting a very disordered child. If she tells the truth about Casey it will be intolerable for Cindy but lying might jepordize her freedom. Cindy and Casey face the continuing battle with the truth-they think it is relative. Will Cindy tell Casey that she’s on her own if she implicates either one of them? Certainly George is out of the hot seat and Cindy now feels the coals warming her ass. Maybe Mr Lippman should have put out a statement absolving Cindy of any involvement after the fact.
We will know sometime after 9AM whether the “devoted daughter and the wonderful mother” have their meet and greet.
Anonyomus, Baez told IN SESSON that “a meeting with KC & CA on Saturday Morning isn’t going to happen.” Lippett, Anthony’s attorney, just conceded “that apparently the Defense is going to blame GA for something to do with Caylee’s death,” Lippett said, “it’s the way it has been going for the past two weeks.” Lippett was interviewed after the hearing by IN SESSION.
I read that the Anthony’s would not be attending the Jury Selection. The STATE suggested the Anthony’s sit in the balcony so their reactions won’t be seen by the jury. Judge Perry warned that “anyone making facal expressions, noddng, etc., will be removed immediately without warnng from the courtroom.”
Seems the media won’t know anythng until Monday Morning.
So the appeals court says they won’t force Judge Perry to disclose the jury selection location, but says media confidentiality agreement can’t stand. I don’t think it’s a problem because as far as I can tell none of the medias were told anything yet. It will be wonderful to make it to Tuesday without any leaks.
I am surprised that he is allowing the Anthonyville Horrors to stay in the courtroom but the State seems okay with the decision so that’s good enough for me. No doubt they are seeing some advantage that I haven’t figured out yet.
The thing that’s bugging me is this whole last-minute request to visit the monster. I’m not surprised that they want to see her (God only knows why) but I am surprised that they went to the media first. Why wouldn’t they just go to the jail tomorrow without announcing it to everyone first? Why is it important to them that we know about it? Whether they see her or not, whether the video is released or not, why did they want us to know in advance? I can’t wrap my brain around that. Anyone?
One more thing that is veeeeery interesting is where the hell did the defense’s jury consultant flee to at this very, very late date? What could be going on there, do you imagine? The defense just takes blow after blow. I love it!!!
Anonymous, what could possibly be worse than incest, sexual abuse and murder? Do you have specific ideas or are you talking in general? I just can’t imagine much worse.
And as far as George
ahem . . . as I was saying,
And as far as George being next in line for that big old bus, if that’s what’s happening how many think he will stretching out willingly?
BEES:
Yes, why tell the Media? Attention? Making sure they’re in every chapter of the book/movie?
What could be worse? How about reverse insest (for lack of a better word), Casey would molest George and/or Lee as they slept. So they wake up and Casey is on them going at it, then she threatens to report them for “abusing” her.
I can come up with alot of things this monster could do and/or say. And I would put nothing past her, this thing will do and say whatever she wants.
I didn’t see this happen today or did I miss it…No one laid a hand on Casey today, no back rubs, leg and/or knee rubs, nothing. Maybe the wifes of the defense team are starting to ask the same questions as others…”Why are you touching her in that way?”
Doug, you’re right. No touchy-feely today. All business.
Good Morning Friends- Let me get this straight. So there is no confidentiality agreement. Now the only ones who had the need to know where the jury selection will take place will not know until Monday morning. Serves them right for complaining.
Casey Anthony has caused quite a scene these past three years and she’s the only one locked up. Imagine what she did behind closed doors. I don’t believe for a moment that there was sexual abuse or incest. Casey Anthony is a liar. Both parents made a public statement discounting the sexual abuse claims and George had a statement released months ago that he had nothing to do with the commission of the crime. Casey has systematically blamed everyone who she knew and didn’t know. This is a young woman who never went anymore than 10-15 miles away from home and someone who couldn’t make friends or keep them for long. She never worked to support her child or had to worry about a roof over her head and stole money from friends and family for years. They harbored a criminal in their home and did nothing until it was too late. They knew she was disordered, a dsyfunctional and abusive parent and did nothing about it.
Casey never had any intention of taking responsibility for Caylee’s death and her parents knew that from day one. After all, she was “arrested on a F. whim.” The two people who could not handle her and were left emotionally crippled by her are now the ones who will fall on the sword for her. She will kill them any way she can.
Of course Casey won’t see you Cindy. It’s what you want and there’s nothing in it for her, perhaps if you would of dangled putting money in her jail account, then Casey may have seen you.
Cindy, again you forgot that this isn’t about you or anyone else. This is Casey’s moment in the Lime Light. Casey’s the star!!
Casey’s luck just keeps getting better…South Carolina just tried out a new combo of Drugs on a prisoner in Death Row, and they worked.
So that can be checked off the list of things Casey needs not worry about.
Will they be able to kill me…Check
Happy Mother’s Day to all…………. and here is something appropro on the eve of jury selection for Casey:
Associated Press: Woman awaits belated Mother’s Day after 17 years in prison; murder conviction overturned.
“We’re going to celebrate a late Mother’s Day, but it will be the best Mother’s Day present we could ask for,” said daughter Alana Williams, who was 11 when Debra Brown was arrested in Logan, about 80 miles north of Salt Lake City, 10 months after the November 1993 shooting death of her longtime friend and employer, Lael Brown. The two were not related.
“It definitely takes you back to your childhood. I’m sure it will be a homecoming like none other,” Williams said.
Last week, Brown became the first inmate exonerated under a 2008 Utah law that allows convictions to be reconsidered based on new factual — not scientific — evidence. More than 250 people since 1989 have been exonerated nationwide thanks to DNA testing.
In Brown’s case, a judge finally agreed with what she had been saying all along — that her alibi put her elsewhere when the crime occurred, even though she admitted forging checks belonging to the victim.
Attorneys for the Salt Lake City-based Rocky Mountain Innocence Center took up the case nine years ago. They’re hopeful 2nd District Judge Michael DiReda officially signs Brown’s release order at 2:30 p.m. Monday, finally setting her free.”
Well, the factual evidence points to Casey.
Casey’s is a “circumstantial case” ——
I keep waiting to hear her alibi! Where was she on that June night? I don’t recall her ever accounting for her whereabouts on June 15.
frankie said, on May 8, 2011 at 9:00 am I keep waiting to hear her alibi! Where was she on that June night? I don’t recall her ever accounting for her whereabouts on June 15.
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WHAT June night? It is not known WHEN precisely Caylee died —- and ….. the trial is upcoming…. lots yet to learn.
frankie,
You did hear her alibi…
…….it was the Imagi-nanny had her…
Now even her defense counsel says she lied…..
…or would that be former defense counsel….Baden
Happy Mother’s Day to all you moms!
Hey folks — I have a novel idea —LET US WAIT FOR THE TRIAL! Wow!
I suggest you take your own idea and wait for the trial…your bs on here does nothing IMO but make you look foolish
RS said, on May 8, 2011 at 9:47 am —– as you said ….. it’s a matter of opinion,… and ALL THESE YEARS I’ve been saying —let’s wait for the trial…. have a nice day.
Yeah and in typical two faced fashion…
….you yourself have not waited for the trial…you post here and who knows where else just like anybody else does and have posted for years….
It’s all BS…just like your bs claim about Geragos having folks on a waiting list
As if people who read are too stupid to know that is bunk….
as if you have any clue who his clients are…..
as if multiple prosecutors would say oh sure we will wait to try our cases till your waiting list allows you to represent the accused criminal we wish to prosecute…
as if judges would say similar..oh sure we will wait till your schedule opens up…
as if victims would wait…saying oh sure we will wait for justice till his schedule opens up
It is all bs…
so, in summary let’s see you honor your own suggestion…post nothing more till trial is over…
RS: Yep, that is where casey says Caylee was, with the imaginanny. And we know that on June 16, she was renting movies and scromping AL, and Caylee was nowhere to be found. But I wonder where casey was on June 15? Have we any clue? I believe her cell pings have her driving around the area, but I can’t remember now if the anthonys lied for her and claimed she was at home being a good girl. LOL , as if! Geez, I could be a juror, cause even though I read most of the discovery, after all this time, I sure have FORGOTTEN most of it! geemanitty….I hope this thing gets going or skank will be a distant memory!
Isn’t it ludicrous that people come on a blog created specifically for discussion of THIS case and then presume to tell others they should wait for trial before discussing the case. Seriously?
Hazaka:
Isn’t DNA testing “scientific evidence”??
Cindy:
If Casey is the “Mother of the Year” what then are you??
RS —————- I’m sorry is Craig gone ….and did Bill turn the blog over to you???
Anonymous – I must have missed the document where Casey blamed everyone and everyone. lol I don’t recall reading where Casey blamed anyone but the nanny.Can you tell me where you’ve read this..lol I’m confused.I’m new to this case..trying to catch up.So far I’ve read her statement to the police but didn’t read her blaming anyone but a person at the Sawdust apts.Is there another statement out there that I should read cuz that’s crazy..lol
I’ve read a few of your comments here and you seem to know lots about this case so I don’t think you’d just say something that doesn’t make sense like saying her parents harbored a criminal in their home and did nothing. One of the first questtions I asked was whether she had a criminal record and I was told she did not. I read from several other sites including theHinkyMeter where I learned many of her friends say she was overly protective to her daughter. It would help me alot if I knew the truth. Was she a bad mother up until she this or is this just your opinion?I hope you can answer my question before this case starts as I’m trying sooooo hard to make sense of it all before May 17.Isn’t that when the real trial starts?
Doug – LOL you said this!!!
What could be worse? How about reverse insest (for lack of a better word), Casey would molest George and/or Lee as they slept. So they wake up and Casey is on them going at it, then she threatens to report them for “abusing” her.
I can come up with alot of things this monster could do and/or say. And I would put nothing past her, this thing will do and say whatever she wants.
Are you serious???? I guess ur being sarcasttic cuz this sounds berzerk like a sci-fi movie.I know yall say this gurl is a skank and all but why say she’d stick her dad & bro with insest charges.Sometimes the things I read about her are over the top because as a new person I see her differently cuz I’m closer to her age.There’s people at my job whose followed this case forever…they are psyched out crazy waiting for the trial to begin. I’m laughing because juries are full of surprises.What if the jury thinks shes not guilty? Do you think you’ll spazz out or what??If I were you I’d see a physicain b4 this trial starts cuz you need ur meds adjusted.lol Good luck dude!!!!!!!! What you described is SICK!!!!!!!
Miranda said, on May 9, 2011 at 12:46 am
——————Although I believe I’ve seen your “name” somewhere — if you’re new to this blog, read back and you’ll see that not only Doug’s thoughts are SICK ….many others are way over the top —–
I think if you haven’t followed this case from Day 1, meaning June 16 2008, and reviewing, as they were released, all the documents pertaining to this case, it would be hard to “catch up on” and perhaps hard to understand the reasons for the discussions and opinions put forth.
Casey’s defense team has been blaming others, therfore Casey is. The defense team is working on her behalf. And her parents have pointed the finger at everyone else! And based on what is going on, the feeling is Casey/her defense team will now be trying to raise doubt, by pointing the finger at her father.
Miranda, being closer to her age, what do you see differently about her?
Again, you would have to go through, hundreds and hundreds of pages of documents, LE interviews and depositions, forensic evidence, etc. to catch up and see why people are of a certain opinion as to Casey’s guilt.
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Hazaka, I agree with RS. We as well as you have been discussin this case BEFORE trial. After all what is this blog here for?
LindaNewYork said, on May 9, 2011 at 6:03 am
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I totally agree —the blog was/is for DISCUSSING the case ….. however, CONCLUDING should come during the trial….
Hey everyone, I got high praise from some crazy people, now all I need to do is go kill my kid, hide the body and start blaming everyone else. Then all the crazy people will support me no matter the facts.
It’s been three years in coming but WE MADE IT! We should all pat ourselves on the back for being such faithful advocates for Caylee. Let’s pray for the lawyers and the jurors.
Craig, I’ve been having trouble joining the wftv blog. It refuses to accept every single username and password I enter. Any idea what I should do? Thanks.
@ Miranda: Casey employs her attorneys. So when they act in this case, they are acting on behalf of felon anthony.
As to Doug’s comments…yep, could have happened. She did not hesitate to blame them for “molesting” her and she would not be the first female to have sexual relations with a man and then accuse that man of taking advantage of her. It has long been a common comment “it is only rape when the check bounces”. One is naive at best, to believe that a woman will not lie about sexual abuse.
As to Anonymous comment about her parents harboring a criminal. Yep, sure did. They had known for some time that casey was stealing. cindy had even made the comment to one of her boyfriends that she was a psycho and said to Amy that money stolen from her (Amy) was lost to her. The anthonys clearly knew casey was a thief.
As to being a bad parent. I don’t think her young friends can judge the quality of parenting because they don’t have the life experiences necessary to make that call AND there was limited exposure to casey and Caylee together. Her parents, however, who were exposed to the casey/Caylee dynamics were capable….and they were thinking of gaining legal custody of Caylee, but were too cheap to bother. So, yes, there were indications that casey was a bad mother.
IF you are truly interested in the case, there is ample information out there for you to review. If you are here just to show us how liberal you are and bash others….well, there have been a few that tried and it was just pretty futile. Just sayin……
Most of the people who said the monster was a good mother (Tony for example) only saw them together TWICE. LOL! And none of them were old enough or experienced enough to know what a good mother really was. In their opinion the fact that Caylee had clean clothes on meant she must have been a good mother. WRONG. And like I said, NONE of them were around them more than a few times. They also said that Caylee wandered out to a balcony while her “good mother” was in the bedroom with a guy. They also said the “good mother” brought her daughter to parties with her. So yeah, there’s that.
Another defense blow….
….Judge Perry denied their motion to exclude the air test(s)
Gosh, now Baez wants a continuance…..LOL…saw that coming a mile away
Hazaka said, on May 9, 2011 at 6:23 am LindaNewYork said, on May 9, 2011 at 6:03 am
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I totally agree —the blog was/is for DISCUSSING the case ….. however, CONCLUDING should come during the trial….
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I can’t agree with that, Hazaka. Based on ALL the discovery that has been released, I have concluded that Casey Anthony is guilty of murdering her daughter. Unless during the trial, the defense team can produce a Nanny who murdered that little girl, that’s MY conclusion.
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RS! haha! I found that funny too!
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Hi Bees, I agree, We made it! It is finally here~
Miranda:
Other than the imaginnanny Zanny.
From her jail cell she pointed her finger at Jesse Grund, as a suspect, review the taped conversations with her mother & brother Lee.
Her lawyers have accused, Jesse, the man who had the unfortunate luck of finding Caylee’s remains, as well Casey’s father has been investigated and tagged as “a person of interest”.
There was also the “bushy haired stranger” these are just a scant hand-full off the top of my head that I recall, there have been others, and I’m willing to guess come trial there will be at least one more accused.
So, Casey Anthony cried.
WHERE were her tears for 31 days? Where were her tears when she got arrested? Remember her smirk in the blue shirt when she was arrested. Remember her and her bro high-fiving? Where were her tears when her mother called 911? The only tears we heard were Cindys. Where were her tears when LE interviewd her? The only emotion we heard on those LE interviews was laughing.
Go ahead Casey, cry for yourself. While the rest of us cry for Caylee.
Yes, Judy and that one more will be her own father. Pathetic.
Hazaka:
While I will agree this case is by a large part a “circumstantial case” there is as well tangible evidence that will be hard if not impossible for the defense to overcome.
A “circumstantial case” does not mean no case, and many have been convicted with far less than the State of Florida has brought forth against Casey.
A “circumstantial case” means that in reviewing the evidence the only logical person who could have committed the crime is the accused.
Rarely, are crimes such as murder done so in front of eye witness’es, so by and large they are often circumstantial by nature.
Linda:
I think the harsh reality finally hit this morning, up until now Casey has imo believed this day would not come, now that it has, and she realized she is in a fight for her life she crashed hard with the glare of reality.
This trial will be a roller coaster from day to day, the judge will have his hands full controlling the Anthony clan who has always believed they are special, and can act out in any way they see fit, I foresee angry outburst, screaming fit’s, lots of fainting spells,
and “LOOK AT ME” moments from all things Anthony.
I have enjoyed reading these blogs for the past 3 years but now this RS person has started telling people how to behave on this blog??? What a sense of entitlement this person has!! RS should remain on his or her own blog, where everyone thinks he or she walks on water! LET PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OWN OPINION, WHATEVER IT MAY BE!!!!!!
Miranda-On the eve of the trial you admit you haven’t had the time to review the documents. Please allow me to help you figure out who will be central to the case. As witnesses we know that their depositions will be examined and evaluated at trial. Both sides will fight like bulldogs to get to the truth.
Zanaida F. Gonzales and her sister Stephanie are crucial witnesses for both the defense and the prosecution. Gloria and Victor, although separated will both be reunited in Orlando. We will know definitively if Victor adopted Stephanie during the trial. Juliette Lewis and her daughter Annabell will be there with Jeffrey Michael Hopkins as defense witnesses. They will speak openly about Casey’s parenting skills and her devotion to her alluring, allusive and murdering babysitter. Mr Manly will speak to her work ethic and job performance. Rachel and her room-mate will talk about the baby shower they gave Casey but for all intents and purposes the room-mate did not know Casey as well as Rachel. She will not be called as a witness unless or until we have a penalty phase.
The hair straightener that Zanaida gave Casey has hair belonging to Caylee and it will be presented at trial to substantiate that the hair found in the trunk could not have belonged to Caylee. Mr Gonzales, one time maintenance man at Sawgrass Apartments in 2004 will be called to the stand. Mr Kronk’s wives will be in the Free Speech cafe directly across the street from the courhouse and Joy Wray will be a field photographer for Vanity Fair.
Would my fellow posters please help Miranda get up to speed relative to all things Fl v Anthony.
Miranda…Here is a link for you
http://www.wftv.com
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_directory_index.htm
All the info you are searching for can be found there.
Hazaka-Not one lawyer on either the defense or prosecution has ever said Ms Anthony did not commit this crime. The only one who said that was Ms Anthony. Mr Baez knew from day one that a homicide was committed. He knew the child was no longer missing when he was hired by Ms Anthony. He was mandated to take his client down to the police station and allow her to help in the investigation. She never assisted LE once she was incarcerated. Mr Baez went directly to Linda Drane Burdick’s office but we know nothing was resolved.
Everyone has presented discovery that is in alignment with and substantiates a circumstantial case. Most times there is no body and if Caylee were never found Ms Anthony would still be charged as there is forensic evidence (which is circumstantial evidence) which points to premeditation.
None of us are lawyers but we have the ability to use our critical thinking skills when it comes to pointing one piece of the puzzel together until a “picture” emerges.
It doesn’t take much insight to degrade and demean but it does take a little common sense when it comes to understanding what happens when you put duct tape over a child’s mouth. You don’t expect to hear anyone cry when you do that do ya?
Baez tried the race card. I can see a (lets say) black person with an all white jury or a white person with an all black jury, but Casey is white with a mostly white jury. He also complained that the race mixture of the jury doesn’t match Orange County’s population, this is the same County Baez doesn’t want a jury picked from cause it wouldn’t be fair to Casey, yet he wants to match that County’s Race mixture??? Baez, then pick the jury from Orange county, you’ll complain anyway but at least you’d save the taxpayers some cash.
Anonym- Jose Baez, Casey’s def atty said his client was innocent???He wouldn’t be a def atty if he said she was guilty!!!!LMAO!!!!!! Obvi u don’t know much about laws like u say cuz forensic evidence ain’t circumstantial evidence either….who told u that????
Never mind I’ll find info on my own cuz ur nutz!!!
beast???I couldn’t find anything on candyroses??I rather thehinkymeter.com ok?? like arttart says…lots information..ez to catch up, tks.
judy pc – I read about Jesse Grund already but not the guy who found the body in the woods by her house.. kronk???? thanks.
Baez said “Because I counted on your word” to JP? Basically calling him a liar, or a turncoat. In open court!
Are you kidding me?
scroll ahead to 14.40
http://www.wftv.com/video/27825016/index.html
Doug, the fool isn’t trying to find racial balance between the jurors and his monster, he wants racial balance between the jurors and HIM. Isn’t he something???? Ha ha ha . . .
Judy, I agree that reality hit her hard yesterday but imo those tears had nothing to do with it. I believe the tears were for the sole purpose of eliciting sympathy from the jurors. She had complete control over those tears and turned them off as quick as she turned them on.
CIRCUMSTANTIAL CASES: In no circumstantial case does one bit of evidence stand alone in establishing a corpus delicti of murder, establish the essential elements of murder, or the guilt of the defendant. You have to take one circumstance that may be meaningless standing alone, then you take another circumstance that may be meaningless standing alone, and the two together may not give meaning. But maybe there’s another circumstance, a fourth, a fifth. When you take all of the circumstances together, they are a mosaic, a picture, of the corpus delicti of murder. They establish together each link in the chain of circumstances that is inconsistent with any rational hypothesis of innocence.
By good reasoning, by good judgment, the jury will come to the conclusion that Caylee was murdered…and that the defendant is the perpetrator. No, we can’t say that she was suffocated, chloroformed, poisoned, or whatever, but that by some criminal agency she met foulplay. And there is only one person, with the exclusion of all others, that the evidence points to, and that is the monster.
No one in the USA can be adjudicated as “innocent” during deliberations. Innocent does not appear on a verdict form so therefore it is not an option for jurors. Defendants are either GUILTY or NOT GUILTY. Ms Anthony rejected a defense of NOT GUILTY BY REASON OF INSANITY in November 2008 not because she was “innocent” but because she did not want to move forward with a mental health defense.
She said she “didn’t commit the crime” and as we all know talk is cheap. She didn’t even have the guts to say, “I didn’t kill Caylee.” Caylee was meaningless to her. When we come upon a bug in the kitchen we quickly step on it. When Casey decided “Smile and Love Unconditionally” it didn’t take her long to step on Caylee.
Hi, not to derail current conversation, but a reliable friend just told me that an asst. admin from Judge Perry’s division is actively compiling “false, derogatory and inflammatory” statements against Perry and the state attorneys posted by a small group of pro-casey radicals at a certain website. They’re not playing around, if YKWIM!! I’m not able to follow the blogs regularly, but I guessed which blog owner and website is under scrutiny right away LOL!! Unreal—–why do desperate defense team groupies feel the need to resort to awful name calling???!! They are even mocking and belittling Judge Perry’s southern accent and speech patterns. SO DISRESPECTFUL! I’m just appalled…sorry for the vent. Judge Perry (IMO) deserves respect and is doing a great job.
Anonym-Ur right.When I had jury duty we voted guilty or not guilty, not innocents but ur wrong about a plea deal.KC has never plead anything but not guilty cuz I looked all over the web!! lol, so puhlleeeezz show the proof and post that link!!! lol…inquiring minds wanna know..lol she’s imo CRAZY!!How she partied and everything..NUTZ!!!
No sh*t Jennifer O!!!! ur friend told u this????????She needs to stop whatever shes doing TODAY, don’t spreading this sh*t on blogs.TELL it to the judge!!!From what I seen he don’t play that sh*t..TELL the prosecutor too cuz I’m hearing an aberrant amount of bull sh*t about the defense lawyers.This don’t fly where I come from..U must live in florida!!! lol..I feel sorry for u.
JenniferO. said, on May 10, 2011 at 3:36 pm
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Your friend may be “reliable” —but….. what is her/his proximity to the court to “know” such things>? Inquiring minds want to know.
Baez and Casey having words, so things aren’t going so well in “Fantasy Land” Casey? Weel casey, you do need to grow up and “Stop acting like a child”. You killed your child, that means you can not act like one.
OOPS…Well not Weel…OOPS
BEES KNEES said, on May 10, 2011 at 7:20 am
Doug, the fool isn’t trying to find racial balance between the jurors and his monster, he wants racial balance between the jurors and HIM. Isn’t he something???? Ha ha ha . . .
Bees, I guess that racial balance and peers would be 25 yo white females. Lots of luck to her on that.
Judy, I agree that reality hit her hard yesterday but imo those tears had nothing to do with it. I believe the tears were for the sole purpose of eliciting sympathy from the jurors. She had complete control over those tears and turned them off as quick as she turned them on.
Reality is right but but the tears were for herself because she finally realized that she is screwed. I disagree with most who think that Casey’s tears are not real. I would be scared chitless. Think about it. Realizing that she may be psychotic, the tears imo are real for herself and for once in her life, she is in the real world of the court that will judge her ultimate fate. How foreboding would that be for anyone?
Luv you Bees but we disagree on this one.
Doug, the tell all was today when she was leaving the courtroom. She had words with Chose’ and she was pissed when she went back to her temporary cell. Look at the link from WFTV when she was leaving court today. Things are not well in Footville.
Word has it that Bozo told KC yesterday in court that she was acting like a 2 yr old. Not sure why he said that to her.
Whoops said, in part…
“…she is in the real world of the court…”
How true, she just can’t keep on lying now because the state, unlike her family and freinds, will not her slide. All of her lies and any she makes up in the Court Room will be called out. If she takes the stand, she will have to face being crossed examined by experts trained at catching lies.
So while “…she is in the world of the court…” you could also say “…she is in a world of (CENSORED)…”
OOPS…will not let her slide…OOPS
If California was able to seat a jury for the OJ Simpson trial, Florida will seat a jury for a baby killing mother. And Judge Perry is NO Judge Ito.
Hi Whoops~Baez was looking to have a jury picked or the trial in Miami. HE was lloking for a jury of HIS peers-Hispanic.
There is no way to predict what kind of “peers” will be called for any trial. It is random, Baez !!! You will not find a jury of 25 YO white females only!LOL
That woman who was RANDOMLY called for jury duty and is associated with this case should have just kept her mouth shut and when questioned in the courtroom should have then said she was associated with the case. That is what I would have done.
Miranda, Anonymous said Casey rejected a plea of NOT GUILTY “BY REASON OF INSANITY”.
I don;t think it makes any difference that she “partied”. I partied. My friednds with children partied. But they didn’t kill their little boys and girls. What matters is she “partied”, laughed, stole, lied, watched movies, got a tattoo, etc. AFTER she “says’ Caylee was “missing/kidnapped”.
Very interesting that Judge P gave her an option of pleading guilty. Not surprised she declined. She is going all the way with so much evidence against her…what a fool, gambling with her life. I hope she cries everyday. She should be scared. As scared as I am sure Caylee was when her own mother killed her.
Hi all! There have been so many excellent comments made that I don’t know where to begin to add a few of my own, so I won’t. It’s an absolute pleasure to be able to come here just to read and to learn and to scurry off to do some research.
See you in court, in a few, my treasured friends of justice!
Yes, you could be right, Whoops. Maybe those were tears of terror. They certainly SHOULD be. I just find it suspicious that she can turn them off and on when needed.
Casey crying for herself again…
Panic attack …..
Casey realizing the time of her reckoning is here…
Her parents suing…
It’s no wonder this case is called a circus.
George is standing up and saying no to Casey’s li’l plan to blame him….About time George, now get Cindy to quit giving her money and buying her clothes…She wants the State to pay for her attornys then she can wear the clothes the State provides…
Are Florida Prison garb black-n-white stripes or hunter orange?? That’ll still look better then the stuff Cindy’s been picking for her.
For God’s sake can’t anyone rationalize Casey is SICK! You keep referring to all the nutty things she did when she should have cried, searched and cared. Who in their right mind is not OFF when they behave like Casey Anthony. She may be a murderer, a VERY SICK one!
Doesn’t excuse anything, but for crying out loud at least consider her head works is not what WE call normal.
It’s tough to post when two people are using the same ‘nic’. I think it’s best to only have one “Anonymous” posting at one time. I truly enjoyed everyone here.
Stuck on stupid….
To claim lawyer client conversation is being listened to but to have said what was reported was NOT what was said…..
…then gosh that means the conversation was NOT listened to or else it would have been what was said….
I tell you, IMO these people have no shame in exposing the stupidity they offer up
Anonymous, You stay Anonymous 5:57. I just get so disgusted and shoot off once in awhile because no one in their right mind, with all the lles, premeditation has been determined but no premeditated plan to try and run and hide. Who in their right mind would do what Casey Anthony is accused of doing and not have some wires misfiring. Easily acceptable for others accused of the same deplorable act but not her, why? That’s what is so hard to understand. And yet, maybe she is perfectly sane, did it and just let the cards fall where they may expecting to get caught and prosecuted thinking this ride is all she has left in her life for attention.
You stay Anonymous, I’ll move on and not come back as Anonymous, sorry. to have infringed, wasn’t familiar with it’s prior uses.
She’s a sociopath. Of course there are wires misfiring. However, her lies, the way she hid the body, etc etc etc proves she knew what she had done and covered it all up. Insanity defenses only work if the person didn’t know the difference between right and wrong at the time of the crime, and I fully believe KC knew exactly what she was doing was wrong.
She knows right from wrong so any mental issues she has at this point are moot
Florida’s state incarcerated wear prison blues. Blue scrub type shirt, pants with white stripe down leg. Females are issued a similar dress to compliment their wardrobe. As we have all seen the picture of Casey in the blue dress this will be a good color for her.
Defense Lists Reasons Why Casey Shouldn’t Get Death
http://www.wftv.com/news/27864528/detail.html
As jury selection dragged on, the defense revealed how they are planning to save Casey from the death penalty if she’s convicted. http://www.wftv.com/news/27864528/detail.htmlto Judge Belvin Perry, hoping to reveal them to prospective jurors.
“She was taught to project false appearance, she was used as a decoy or pawn by her parents and a scapegoat for parental misconduct,” said defense attorney, Anne Finnell.
The defense said it’s planning to blame Casey’s family if she is convicted of murdering her daughter, Caylee.
The excuses they plan to use to convince the jury is Casey’s lack of maturity, no impulse control, they said she has a history of sex abuse, insomnia, nightmares, no parental guidance or protection, verbal and emotional abuse as a child and poor coping skills.
Okaaayyy…This is what annoys me and p*sses me off. And I just don’t get (or maybe I do!).
Casey has pleaded NOT GUILTY (as in nope, didn’t do it, wasn’t me, I didn’t kill my daughter).
Now wouldn’t it stand to reason that if she is convicted, she would still stand by her, ahem, “innocence”?????
BUT, “The defense gave the list of reasons why she MIGHT have killed Caylee to Judge Belvin Perry, hoping to reveal them to prospective jurors.”
So if she is convicted, then she will say “well, DID do it… BUT, BUT, BUT…its all my mommy and daddys fault?, the ABUSE EXCUSE?
This is FREAKIN ridiculous.
Blaming her parents for HER act of murder. Blaming nightmares? Not being able to sleep? Bullsh*t !!! And BS to all the rest of the EXCUSES.
Can anyone explain this to me?
used as a decoy or pawn by her parents and a scapegoat for parental misconduct,”
Hiya Kim, with those two beautiful girls!
There IS no explaining. She is making excuses for being a murderer.
I am NOT a fan of those Anthony’s, but they are being PLAYED! She would sit there and lie and blame her parents for what SHE did.
That THING is just another run of the mill murderer pleading not guilty and THEN blaming others for WHY she did it. We will hear a bunch of lies and BS during the sentencing phase. Oh, and of course during the trial…In the “first 3 minutes” of Baez’ opening statement.
This is just pathetic. AND they want the prospective jurors to hear why she MIGHT have killed her daughter. WTH ????????? I mean WTH??????
You either did it or you didn’t. NOT if you “might” have. I say again WTH????
The State has preserved the smell of Caylee’s rotting body!!! Something for Casey to think on overnight in her Cell.
And Casey was “USED” as a Decoy, Pawn and Scapegoat by her Family????
What types of Scams have they been pulling?
Are they a family of Grifters?
What, George goes after the old ladies and Cindy hits on the old men who come to Florida? They go to the Beaches and steal from people not watching their stuff and if caught, blame Casey?
Doug-LOL! “Are they a family of Grifters?” “What, George goes after the old ladies and Cindy hits on the old men who come to Florida? They go to the Beaches and steal from people not watching their stuff and if caught, blame Casey?”
This is THE most absurd trial INCLUDING the OJ debacle! that I have ever followed. AND I have watched dozens and dozens of forensic files, Dateline etc. etc.
And yeah, let the jury smell the smell!
Anonymous said, on May 12, 2011 at 1:57 pm
“And yet, maybe she is perfectly sane, did it and just let the cards fall where they may”
Anonymous at 1:57, That’s just what she did. From Casey’s journal:
“I have no regrets, just a bit worried.”
“I completely trust my own judgment.”
“I know that I made the right decision.”
“I just hope that the end justifies the means.”
“This is the happiest that I have been in a very long time.”
As such are the words of a sociopath. Sociopaths are not insane. Casey’s not insane. She’s cruel, cold, cunning, coniving, ruthless, guiltless and shamelessly self-absorbed. If the Anthonys are guilty of anything, it’s letting her do as she pleased with absolutely no accountability nor empathy for those she harmed or otherwise hurt, even as she is preparing to spit in their faces now. She’s the spoiled remains of a lifetime spent believing that she’s “all that” and the saving grace for all of them, right about now, would be that Casey’s out of her mind, but she’s not.
Hi my dearly missed friends! I’ve been reading without responding, having brought work home to do in advance of the trial so maybe I’d be able to pop some corn, kick back and watch but that’s not working out too well.
I feel rather sorry for George and Cindy now that they have come to realize, and surely they have, that the monster they created is about to eat them alive!
Anonymous said, on May 12, 2011 at 5:57 am
It’s tough to post when two people are using the same ‘nic’. I think it’s best to only have one “Anonymous” posting at one time. I truly enjoyed everyone here.
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Anonymous, with all due respect, there are thousands of people who post as “Anonymous” everyday on the blogs. How is anyone to know that you have exclusive rights to that nic? I think that it is disingenuous for you to complain about it when it would be just as simple to create your own persona here. Everyone appreciates your comments but those who are new may not know you and only want to leave an anonymous comment once in awhile. (“,)
As much as i would love to see george and cindy say, “Enough,” I still believe they will go along with whatever BS their daughter is flinging. IF cindy is angry at anyone it will be baez. Not at her innocent monster. Never. As I say, I hope I’m wrong.
The monster looked very calm today in comparison to the rest of this week. I’m sure they have medicated her.
I think there is something the inmate can hold over the heads of her parents. I don’t think it relates to the innocent baby, Caylee Marie Anthony. She was a casualty of the war.
I remember a jail visit between the inmate and her father and he said, you know it’s all going to come out (paraphrasing because I can’t find the video to quote the exact words). The inmate and her defense team have drawn their cards. It’s to the point that we must let the cards fall where they will. It’s personal and it’s between the inmate Casey Anthony and her parents. I believe the only reason we have for following this case to the end is our commitment to ensuring justice is served for an adorable child who will have no one standing up for her if we don’t.
I used the “we” word. I meant the only reason I have for following this case is, I am commited to ensuring justice is served for this innocent child, Caylee Marie Anthony, because her known family members have chosen to forsake her.
As Casey sleeps tonight with visons of Caylee dancing in her head, I hope the Lynard Skynyrd song “Eww, That Smell” keeps playing in her mind (with some minor changes)…
Chloroform bottles
Your parents car
Caylee your in my way
All you do is whine and take up all my time
Just look what I could be doing without you…HELL YEAH
Eww, that smell
Can’t you smell that smell
Eww, that smell
The smell of Caylee’s death surrounds you…
Very good, Doug!
Bees, I think Casey will play it both ways. She will tell her parents (IF she ever talks to them again) that her defense team did this without her blessing and the DT will say Casey agreed.
Terrytsk, I took that jail video statement from George “you know it’s all going to come out ” as “it is all going to come out”, as to what happened (what SHE did) to Caylee.
Well, I guess I will see what happens today, when I get home tonight. In the words of Nasty Face Nancy Grace, I am sure it will be more “Bombshell” news!! LOL!
As Team Anthony Leader of the Pack Cindy is prone to stretch the truth from time to time I can already hear the post trial spin. Of course they (the defense) were reaching when they said that about Lee and George, but being the good people we are, we were willing to let it pass to save Casey so she can help us search for a “live Caylee” when she comes home. And they lived happily ever after.
George & Cindy suing Brad Conway, guess they need some camera time.
So Casey is going to claim PTS as a reason she acted the way she did eh?
Claiming years of sexual, physical. and emotional abuse at the hands of her family has stunned her mental growth and stability, and as a result she killed her child.
That because she feared her family she lied so an not to suffer their wrath.
After hearing the last few days of jury selection, I would love to be a fly on the wall at the Anthony house, bet they have had to change their tidy whities more than once.
Looks like the whole damn family is under the bus and getting ready to burn rubber.
judy…
IMO it is just as likely this is all staged, or as we have said scripted, known in advance to try to get her off…
It is interesting there are threats to sue this one or that one for saying this or doing that and yet NOTHING is filed, but it sure is trumpeted to the media right away isn’t it
judypc, yep, you nailed it about the Anthony’s, it’s time yet again for their bullchit DRAMA but even threatening DRAMA doesn’t change what Ann Finnell said in Court about their parenting skills. KC is about to share in the penalty phase, imo, EVERYTHING CA has spent her adult life covering up, who ya gonna believe, the who freakin family is a pack of liar’s. Wonder how GA/CA feel now after ALL THE LYING & covering up for KC, the murderer of their beloved KC, KC is going down & she is taking them with her.
imo, that is Justice!
I am watching Vinnie Paulatin & Mike Iglarsh, Richard Hornsby, & Jean Casaris are on discussing the case for most of the hour.
LindaNewYork, I LMAO the other night on NG, she snapped at Bill Sheaffer & he calmly put her in her place, she was speechless! I’d like to slap the chit out of her when she is disrespectful to guest, it seems, imo, she thinks it elevates herself as if she is more intelligent, it’s embarassing & is a poor tactic, the constant talking of “her past cases,” which must have been at least 10 years now, it just looks like she would SHUT UP & allow Legal Analyst to be Legal Analyst. I find it ironic that M NeJames is a regular on her show for the trial, last year when she disrespected him, he was right back at her with the disrespect. She talks a lot differentlty to NeJames & Sheaffer now.
SHOULD READ:
the murder of their beloved Caylee
Hi art tart! Yeah, I do not watch NG show, can’t stomach her, and she is over-the-top with the sensationalisn and has is innacurate most of the time. And yes, VERY rude to the analysts, attorneys on her show. I too am very surprised to hear Mark NeJame and Bill Scheaffer are participating in her show.
BUT, like I said this morning, that I would come home to some bombshell news, to use an NG term: Bombshell Today! Anthony’s may sue Brad Conway! OMG
I agree RS, if you are saying what I think: All staged. Known in advance, by G&C that they would be used as scapegoats to get her off and then have their new attorney come out and deny the abuse etc.
Casey and the whole family are proven liars so I do not believe anything they say, do. Nor do I beleive that Casey was sexually abused, “used as a pawn” etc. What I DO beleive is that Casey was a manipulative little brat, Cindy covered and made excuses for her and George didn’t buy any of Casey’s BS and THAT is where these “family problems” arose.
This just needs to get to trial already. If the defense had anyhting, anything AT ALL to defend her with, this ould have gone to trial already and would have been over with.
Frankly, I am sick of the whole debacle!!!
I have to say I wanted to reach in and slap the poo out of team Casey today, every time that wench stood at the podium and said ” at trial you will hear victim impact statements from the victims family, detailing how the death has effected their lives, and it is always very heart wrenching”
Just who the hell do they think is going to make these victim impact statements?
All of Caylee’s family has left her, all they care about is the “Mother Of The Year”
Two good articles written by Diane Diamond, she was formerally on Court TV years ago, author, she covered the Micheal Jackson child molestation trial cor Court TV, etc. She is NOW covering KC’s trial for NEWSWEEK & the DAILY BEAST!
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-05-05/casey-anthony-murder-trial-jury-selection-circus-begins/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-05-09/casey-anthony-murder-trial-tears-on-the-first-day/full/full/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-05-13/casey-anthony-trial-murder-defense-bombshells-/
I want to use Bolin big backside for target practice. Someone really needs to inform her that that is a really bad angle for her to be on camera with
I found an additional article by Diane Diamond on the case & posted it too.
LindaNewYork, I too am ehausted with this case. Richard Herman, attorney, just said BAEZ HAS BLOWN KC’S DEFENSE, he has no creditibility. Dianne Diamond said in one her articles, that the Defense will concede KC murdered Caylee BUT……………………
The thing is, LNY, imo, the chit is going to really hit the fan when the Verdict rolls in, KC is going to accuse Baez of God knows what all, anything from sex to LYING to her as what to expect. imo, he did lie to her due to incompetence, Baez HAD NO EXPERIENCE in representing KC in this case. Although the idiot said: “The Casey Anthony Case WON’T DEFINE Me” is only more INCOMPETENCE, it HAS DEFINED HIM as being described by Legal Analyst & Peers as incompetent, inept, inexperienced, over estimating his own intelligence! Then it’s going to be about those testy complaints to the Fla. Bar.
Liinda Brains Burdick & Jeff Ashton have tried 30 Capitol Murder Cases WINNING 27 of them! The Defense Team is out lawyered, just wait until the Anthony’s start another Meda Tour this time SHARING Baez’s secrets & lies, CALLING HIM INCOMPETENT, & why KC got the verdict she got. Baez should have plead this out 2 yrs. ago at least that would have saved her sorry life!
judypc, you make a good point, I had never really thought about that. How terribly sad.
Kim, LOL, I have been reading about her BIG A$$, I am working until May 28th, so it seems all I can do is try to catch up at night. I am appalled that she is all that Finnell could get as a Mitagator, she has too much baggage but perhaps she & KC have in common that neither one of them wanted to be bothered with children. Bolin left 4 children to marry a seral killer & KC murdered her child.
This whole deal with wacko Bolin is just to freaking creepy, and what the blue blazes from hell is she doing there during jury selection?
I swear, just when you think they can’t get any crazier, they prove you wrong, it’s like they left the dang door open to crazyville.
And add to the mix Casey is acting even loonier than usual and you have to wonder what the freak is going to happen at trial?
Looking into my crystal ball I see the judge going postal with this messed up basket of assorted nuts.
judypc, I agree with your thoughts! KC has proven she will keep the focus on herself, NOT Caylee, but once the trial starts, if KC has the vapors now, she will lose her mind during the trial. I have read repeatedly on several blogs, that the Defense Team is “sick to death of babying KC, they are trying to defend her but her consuming personality is taking all their time.”
Conway has already been interviewed by the Orlando News stating “that anything said about the Anthony’s is already ON RECORD.” He should have ADDED they are KNOWN liars, as that too is ON RECORD. Lippman is coming off as a NUT, seems Lippman is willing to go to the MEDIA with the latest WHINING OF THE ANTHONY’S, even if it doesn’t have any legal merit!
The ANT’S trying yet again to create DRAMA about Conway when, imo, better prepare themselves for having allegations against them stated in Court, they don’t have the support of those following the case as we know what’s up, the STATE has shown their lack of moral compass, there is endless video of them lying & acting crazy, all that $$$$$$$$$$$ they have pocketed on this case will now come back to bite them in the butt, all that Video they have made “claiming KC didn’t murder Caylee” will validate the DT’s argument, the thing is, I don’t recall an interview in which the ANT’s claimed “they didn’t murder Caylee either!” Their all going down for the murder of Caylee, they have always been less than sympathetic, just wait until the DT gets through with them!
Jennifer,
Just ignore those people…or better yet get a kick out of the fact that Perry presiding causes them to come unglued….
And generally either state is slick or defense isn’t listening to it’s jury expert…
that gal they wanted to keep even claiming something race related of SAO…….
apparently the defense seems unaware that when people claim they don’t want to point the finger……
….in my experience those who make those statements with little prodding
….are the very FIRST to do exactly that…ready to tar and feather ….yet will tell you and insist to you that gosh they don’t like to point the finger at anyone…
….so either state pulled a fast one by seeming to object to her in order to get defense to think they defense should keep her or defense is in no way listening to it’s jury consultant, that lady will hang Anthony
Hummmm I posted some basic info on Bolin but it does not show yet, afraid to repost for fear of it being posted twice.
Rosalie Bolin is the wife of Florida death row inmate, Oscar Ray Bolin. She is also a “private investigator” who has worked in the legal community for many years. Records show that she is a partner in the privately owned company “Criminal Specialty Investigations, Inc.” located in Tampa, Florida and that through this company she contracts herself out to other lawyers and governmental agencies as a specialist in the area of investigating and developing evidence used to convince juries not to sentence convicted murders to death.
Holley, 25, was kidnapped as she left the north Tampa Church’s Chicken where she worked. Her body, stabbed and bloody, was found the next day in an orange grove in north Hillsborough County.
Holley was the first but not the last woman Bolin would be accused of killing. On Dec. 5, 1986, authorities found the body of Stephanie Anne Collins, 17, after she disappeared from a parking lot in Carrollwood. Investigators later that day found the body of bank clerk Teri Lynn Matthews, 26, in Pasco County after she had been beaten, raped and stabbed.
During the trial for Matthews’ murder, Bolin’s half brother, Phillip, said Bolin woke him the night before the young woman’s body was found and asked him to go outside. There, Phillip Bolin said he heard moaning coming from a body wrapped in a sheet. He said Oscar Bolin hit the woman with a piece of wood, sprayed her with a hose and asked for help loading her body into the back of a truck.
In 1991, Bolin, a former carnival worker, was convicted after two separate trials of murdering Holley and Collins. A year later he was convicted of killing Matthews.
OMG
this is what is now working on Casey’s case – a woman that could defend and MARRY and animal like this!!
Bolin? LMAO! Now if that isn’t a perfect match! Anthony and Bolin! Anthony, Bolin and Baez! Too bad Casey’s going to prison. That’s one show the three of them could take on the road! In an RV. Can’t you just see it?
Kim, she not only left her husband, she gave up her kid’s, for this serial killer.
Talk about you’re bag of assorted mixed nut’s, this dream team has become the freaking cracker farm.
Tampa Bay Online reports that, “Since Holley’s death, Bolin has been convicted of six other felonies: another murder, kidnapping, rape, aggravated battery on a law enforcement officer, escape and conspiracy to kidnap,
Regardless of Bolin’s sentence for Holley’s death, he has a death sentence for the murder of Teri Lynn Matthews and is serving a 75-year prison sentence on the kidnapping and rape charges.”
Sounds like Bolin is a good, law abiding, available bachelor eh just what every gal looks for in a man, ( snide smirk on my face )
She worked as a mitigation specialist and was married to a lawyer when she met Oscar Ray Bolin.
They married on speaker phone, her in her apartment, him in jail.
Guess a honeymoon was refused by the warden.
Wonder if she did get him out of jail if she would trust him with one of her 4 daughters she gave up to marry him?
Or would she sleep with one eye open waiting for the knife to slice her up like he did his other victims.
He probably saved her life by refusing them a honeymoon
And Judy, it’s not just that rosalie bolin has four children ~ she has four DAUGHTERS!!! Likely any one of them would have been potential victims for the creature she married! This woman is an abomination. I find it unbelievable that someone like her with her history of unquestionable conduct (to say the least!) is allowed to work in the legal system. The world has gone mad. I’m convinced.
Sorry, judy. I really should read all the comments before I leave one.
Anyway rosalie hasn’t made an appearance for a couple days. Apparently she was attending the birth of a grandchild on Saturday. Wonder where she was today? Maybe the defense didn’t think it was such a good idea to have their client be all chummy-chummy with such a head case. There will be lots of time for that special friendship AFTER this monster is convicted and on Death Row.
I thought I read the serial rapist/murderer Bolin has finally exhausted all appeals and will be put to death. Finally.
Rosalie may have stood by her “man” (IMO he’s an animal) but she won’t be saving him from the needle in spite of all of her efforts. I have no reason to believe she can save Casey Anthony. She is a detriment to this defense team. However, she adds to the circus atmosphere and her involvement will bring in more revenue for Mr. Baez as the case continues.
Terry, if Bolin brings in more revenue, by law and though they won’t, won’t the defense have to report that to the JAC?
Bees Knees and Judy, all, I more than agree that Bolin’s presence is a detriment. For those who believe Casey is guilty, as even most of the potential jurors seem to, Bolin’s a grave hindrance for those who know her and what’s she’s done.
For me as well as several others in my circle of highly interested friends, her involvement only serves to further confirm Casey’s guilt! Her doting “motherliness” of this child killer Casey does nothing to help the defense or Casey when one considers she abandoned her own innocent babies for such felonious scum!
What happened to Mr. Gabriel? Did he come to his senses after that debacle of a 48 Hour Special, or might we see him again? Hey, if he has ditched the defense maybe the prosecution could pick him up too, for the sheer sake of appearance! Wouldn’t that be a hoot? Oh, I know it’s not going to happen. But it sure would be another kick in the arses of the defense, right?
Forgive the length of this please. I’ve been working odd hours in order to watch the trial and haven’t had the time to but come here and read.
So, what do you all make of the “shocking” revelation the defense will be making during opening statements?
I’m beginning to wonder if we won’t hear that poor Casey was forced into prostitution, by her parents, at the ripe old age of three! In skimming through some of the other blogs I’ve read such things as Cindy’s brother Rick molested poor Casey and might be the father of Caylee as well as Grampa Plesea! Say what? Give me a break! Uncle Rick’s testimony is sure to put them to shame, and I don’t know any one whose heart won’t be moved to see an old woman, Gramma Plesea, weep as she relates to the jury how she tried to tell Cindy for so very long that Casey was nothing but evil! Mrs. Plesea is on the witness list isn’t she?
Lies and liars. Liars and their lies. Come on George! Step up to the plate and speak the truth rather than to perjure yourself by contradicting whatever it was that you told the Grand Jury which was well enough to dump this burden of a first degree felony charge down upon the head of your wicked daughter! Your denial has not ever helped her. Only the truth will. Only the truth will allow Caylee the justice she so richly deserves, now. Buck up. Man up! Caylee needs you and in spite of whatever it is you’re thinking, Casey never will.
Autumn:
Lately I have been wondering if Casey would point the finger at her Uncle Rick to offset his testimony about her, since he went to the police of his own free will and told all about her & the whole Anthony household.
As did G-mother Plesea when ask she was truthful.
These are the only family members thus far that have shown believability, and a true concern for Caylee, I wonder if they might be chosen by the state to give the impact statement?
Casey’s problem if she points the finger at to many as her abusers will be the believability factor, the jury will in all probably reject her claims all together, whereas if she points the finger at one person they would in all likely hood accept it.
would the same attorneys represent her in the event of a retrial or would the state have to appoint a public defender?
Judypc, I hadn’t thought about why she would go after Rick and Grampa Plesea, but you’ve no doubt hit the nail on the head! It’s been a long, long time since I read Shirley’s emails to who I believe was a friend, but she had nothing nice to say about Casey nor did Rick, both of whom held her accountable.
It was in reading what the two of them had to say, along with several of George’s comments that I got the impression Casey was nothing but a controlling spoiled rotten brat, thanks to Cindy, jmo, who not only covered up for Casey at every turn but who wouldn’t allow any one else to discipline her or think ill of her. It must have rather shocking to Casey when Caylee came along. That she appeared to those around her as a loving and even doting mother had nothing to with Caylee, imo. It was all about Casey and that narcissistic high she received when praised for the show she put on.
All of this just makes madder than it makes me either sad or sick, any more. I just want it over. I’m sick of looking at Casey. I’m sick of hearing Baez whine. I sick of the antics of the defense that they to get away with all too often, and I am sick to death of the craziness of George and Cindy Anthony!
May the wheels of justice begin to turn a bit quicker, and may Judge Perry not waste too much time trying to seat a jury in Pinellas County! I am beginning to think a jury would already have been seated in Orange.
Have a good night, Judy. I look forward to your response.
Judypc, by the way, I’d be most interested in knowing more about the books you have written.
See now, you’re not unknown. All who read this comment will know. Are you available on Amazon?
Whoops-I agree with your post on May 12, 2011 @ 8:55pm. I don’t have exclusive rights to “Anonymous” but took the “nic” because it was universal and provided me an opportunity to comment without fear of reprisal. I only went to two sites, here and Dr LG’s site (my comments are no longer published there). I don’t want that person to run be off of Mr Shaeffer’s site so when “Anonymous” showed up I thought it best to leave on my own. I would absolutely never deny anyone the right to express themselves or exercise their constitutional right to free speech. It was never my intention to hurt another unsuspecting poster using “Anonymous”.
Autumn:
imo they could have seated a jury in Orange County, using the same due diligence they are using in Clearwater.
Jose’ will file motions to strike this jury, and he will file motions against the Judge, he wants this case prolonged, they are not ready for trial that is apparent.
As to Casey & Cindy I see a relationship of turmoil, Cindy would push, then reel Casey back in when it served her, they wanted those on the outside to think they had the perfect life.
George is now, and has always been a user & abuser he is a weak man that makes up for his weakness through force & fear.
Casey grew up with little or no real direction, everyone in that household played head games, she honestly imo believes she will manipulate her way out of this just as she manipulated her way out of everything in her past.
Using the ” its not me, its them” they made me what I am”
Problem is, many people grow up in abusive homes, much worse than what Casey experienced, and they do not resort to murdering their child.
As to my work, I am as yet unpublished, I have written a book on music, one on domestic violence, one on my family history, and the last one on Caylee.
I had one paper published many years ago on domestic violence, and as a result of that was called on to speak at schools, womens groups, and was used as a witness for the State on the effect’s of domestic violence in a murder case.
I profiled abusers & victims, with a group that worked on death row case’s,and people imprisoned that we believed had been wrongly convicted.
We are one of the few that can say we took a women off death row in Texas, and gained her release by proving her innocence.
Judy, I’m rushed, so I apologize for the short response. What do you say, is InSession dreaming about a plea here, or what? I lean more toward the defense trying to get JP tossed, as they did Strickland! We will see! BBL.
To —- lets get a grip ….. and wait and see —-this seem too big to speculate about ———-
Couldn’t handle the pressure so took off for a while…
Smoke & mirrors just another way to delay.
Couldn’t be too pressing a private matter
if he has time to text In Session, Orlando Sentinel and is aware they are speculating..
and earth to Baez next time he takes off it would look so much better if he didn’t text folks and state to stop speculating…
as if they have to comply with what he says to them….big clue…they do not…
That type of thing is as stupid as the did you see the news and helicopter question asked of jurors…..
Maybe he thinks he is in a third world country over there where news media has not been at the Pinellas court house before nor have helicopters…..LOL…gosh it just had to be only about that case and none other…
RS,
Not to seem argumentative, but at this point your sarcasm would be better left at YOUR blog. Let’s give it a wait and see before we judge the reasons for what happened today. How would you feel if one of Jose’s children were hurt and you made your comments here. I suspect that you would feel like an ass just like you did in your above post. Sometimes it is better to crap in your own nest than to do it here.
Judy,
I may be wrong, but there may be a bigger picture than what we are seeing. It is only fifteen hours away for us to find out what happened. Damn, I hate Insession. Give us back the old Court TV.
Hazaka, for once again you amaze not amuse me. Exactly, let’s wait and see.
Gee whoops, can’t handle speculation, don’t read it then..
move on past the post and read some other entry from others, that would be the adult thing to do
imo Mason ran block in court while Jose’ scurried to file a complaint against Judge Perry, and a motion to halt jury selection in Clearwater.
” I hate Insession” Whoops they are a freakin joke, with their damn ads, it is simply abusive but they know they are the “ONLY” network on T.V. carrying the trial.
For a household trying to watch .com is not very good, I had hoped one of the local stations would at least use one of their sister channels to cover the trial.
judy (they) don’t want you to speculate…wink, wink…
RS,
Up yours, and I usually scroll past your immature comments and you can stick that wink, wink… where the sun don’t shine. Go back home, your momma is calling.
so, now speculating is ok..or is it ok for some, but not for others…and even more interesting, ok for some who also have set up a blog, but not for others who set up a blog…
gosh, sounds like anthony defense logic to me…
Wow, Judypc! Now I better understand the wisdom with which you have posted here! Caylee’s death wasn’t your beginning but one more horror that occurred to one more innocent child!
For all of your experience and experiences, it’s no wonder that you are able to read the Anthonys so well, and I for one will be paying particularly close attention to all that you have to say, in the days, weeks and months ahead, as we progress through this trial.
If you don’t mind my asking, why aren’t you published? You certainly should be, having much to say that countless need to hear, read, and learn from! Knowing your many involvements now, to include your involvement in freeing a woman from death row and your efforts to assist those wrongly accused, I’d be most interested in reading a book that YOU wrote on Caylee, as fact filled and selfless as it is sure to be. Do you have any plans on publishing it after the trial?
“Problem is, many people grow up in abusive homes, much worse than what Casey experienced, and they do not resort to murdering their child.”
Exactly!
“The glory of music endures in the depths of the human soul.”
Van Dyke
What is the difference between speculation, and investigation?
Anonymous, don’t you ever do that again! Don’t you ever give your Anonymous self over to somebody else!
You’ve been missed.
So when do you suppose we’ll see the motions Baez and Perry filed today against JP? I’ll believe they didnt’ after it’s proven they didn’t. Until then I’ll believe that they did.
By the way, I’ve been reading around and since I trust you all not to laugh too hard, I’m asking, what does MOO mean when someone says something is MOO? (Creeping away now feeling utterly stupid.)
MOO=my own opinion
MOO…plea deal in the works. I believe the state offered a plea after they returned from lunch. Won’t be brought up til the morning session, so the attys have time to go over it. Just a hunch I have.
Very curious why there has been no interviews with Mr. S since jury selection started?
RS, we have all been speculating since 2008, be hard to stop the train now its running full speed ahead down hill with no brakes.
Autumn:
It is very hard for a new writer to break in, publishers want the sure bet, and I am hard headed and very old school, I refuse to go the self publish route, to me that just does not say you are indeed a writer.
I have had very good reviews of my work, but if my manuscript sets on a desk beside Kathy Reichs, they are going to chose hers, she is the sure bet.
Whoops said, on May 18, 2011 at 6:39 pm —— thank you — far too many pat themselves on the back with “IMO’s” — and “TOS” —- their opinion stinks! Just two more hours and hopefully we will KNOW —KNOWLEGE IS POWER —
Judypc, without going into too many details, perhaps you can relate to a close family member who was determined to self-publish his work when it seemed all else failed. It wasn’t that he was turned down so many times that he became discouraged, but more that he hesitated to submit his work beyond a few publishers with which he was most familiar, such as McGraw-Hill where competition is especially viscous.
Also, for several years he failed (busy with work and family) to do his research to familiarize himself with those publishing houses that might be interested in his work, and so for a good long time his works sat on the shelf collecting dust as he considered the cost of self-publishing too high.
Just this past year he gave it “one more shot” and submitted to a smaller but well established publishing company that not only zapped him up but is distributing his work worldwide! The key is don’t give up, research, as I am sure you have, and consider all of your options, some of which are contained in the following paragraph, regarding a dear lady whom I have the privilege of knowing.
KiKi, an incredibly talented woman who’s had much to say, who reminds me somewhat of you, and who’s long since been very dear to me, broke into the market by self publishing, submitting articles and essays and otherwise entering her literary pieces into various competitions. It took some time, but she’s recently been awarded the National Best Books Award, among other awards. She once told me that her best advice to those starting out is to self-publish, and considering how far she’s come I can’t argue that, for sure! If you dig a little bit, you’ll find her. I’m including a link that may be of assistance to you, perchance you aren’t familiar with it.
http://www.usabooknews.com/bestbooks2011awards.html
Above all else, don’t give up! It’s my utmost belief that God bestows upon each of us a talent that will help us to support ourselves doing those things we so love to do!
Like Craig, whose #1 talent seems to be moderating. lol
See yah in court, sometime today.
To further encourage you, my long time advice that a family member not self-publish
Judy, X that last sentence. In editing I failed to delete it. I did discourage a family member from self-publishing before I came to know Kiki, who taught me a thing or two!
Keep trying!
By the way, that was a compliment, Craig! Good job on the blog!
RS Says:
May 18, 2011 at 4:30 PM
Any “private matter” that causes one to go during jury selection for a murder trial yet only be gone half a day cannot be that serious…
*****
Wow, just wow. RS, did you ever have an emergency. even maybe your bowels were evacuating involuntarily. You have the compassion of a freakin’ snake and you are just as subversive. Who are you to judge? Oops, I forgot you own the Justice for Caylee Blog with about the same number of commentors as……… well YKW. That imo makes you about as credible as YKW.
Because of the DT’s BS over the past couple of years, I too speculated that his departure from court the other day sounded like BS. I do not wish any catastrophe on him or his family.
Thank you, Mixologist! MOO had me baffled, which isn’t to say that I’m not almost always so! lol
Mr. Schaeffer, are you doing any, daily, post hearing commentaries, and if so where can we read or view them? I believe I speak for all who follow this case when I say that we miss hearing from you!
At least Perry has limited opening to 7 minutes…
Won’t have to suffer through hearing stacked BS too long…and gosh maybe some “bowels” can mange to hold out for 7 minutes so there won’t be an interuption…LOL
And the defense whining to the judge about state’s witness list order was PATHETIC
off the scale pitiful IMO….
Well no such luck….the 7 minutes limit is only pertaining to him hearing any objections to what each side plans to use as exhibits during opening…
No comments on todays activities???
‘Bout time !!! Let’s get on with it and get this murderer where she belongs!
WOO-HOO!!!! We made it. Let the justice begin!
Yes, Bees we made it LOL!
It almost seems surreal that this is FINALLY going to trial after all this time.
I remember the day it hit the news…..At lunch with my sister and 3 year old niece and the waitress saying…”Do you believe a mother did not report her daughter missing for a month”? My immediate reaction: She killed her daughter. That simple. Even simpler after hearing the details, the lies and the FAMILY!
Finally. Let’s hope nothing happens between now and Tuesday.
Linda:
I to felt it in my gut when I heard that 911 call and Casey began her lies, within moments I said “she killed her baby” not one moment since have I felt otherwise.
Lets hope that once Tuesday gets here Caylee’s voice will be heard at last, lately it seems the only ones we hear about is Casey, George & Cindy, no one speaks Caylees name in court except when Judge Perry would read the charges.
Jeff Ashton & Linda need to say her name often at trial, not simply say a child, they need to constantly make Caylee the focus so the jury can attach their hearts and mind to Caylee, identify the real victim.
I hope they blow up pic’s of Caylee and have them facing the jury every second they are in the courtroom, play that video of her on her last day of life, singing and giving kisses, first thing, and as the last thing they do before the jury goes to vote.
I pray Caylee’s voice will at last be heard.
The one and only victim in this horrid case.
Gee RS — is it you who started a blog ostensibly in support of Caylee to sell advertising and make money? Yea, yea — you’re not the only one TCD was one of the first …. how do you scams sleep at night?
Disgusted – you should check your facts before posting them. RS has a blog, but NO ADS and no tip jar.
Yeah that is NOT RS.
How can some of you gloat because you have called out a murderer yet you don’t know. Why do we need a justice system with people like you? You are so desperate for Casey to be found guilty not because she may be, but because you want to say you are right. Your kind make it all about yourself. Also those of you who think an involuntary bowel expulsion can’t happen instantaneously have never had the experience of a lifetime and I hope your own s–t splashes all over you when you do. Never has there been such stupidity come out of some people as has been read on different blogs, using the death of a child, been such a sickening excuse to spill hatefulness. What a pleasure when once in awhile one can find a true heart where they know justice will come without their need for self adoration and judgement of others with their nooses in hand. I am an example of judging right now, sounds great doesn’t it. This is not an opinion this is me finding you guilty yet there is no way I could possibly know you. You like it? I am just so smart!!
After so many years Caylee’s time has at long last arrived. Thus far it’s all been about Casey. Casey’s lies. Casey’s partying. Casey’s tattoo. Casey’s love life. Casey’s hair. Casey’s clothes. Casey’s this and Casey’s that. There’s been so much about Casey that it seems to me one has had to dig for mere tidbits of information about Caylee.
What was her preferred color? What was her favorite food? We know she liked Sponge Bob and perhaps Winnie the Pooh, but what were some of the things that frightened her? What were some of the things that made her sad? When was she her happiest, and what sort of things made her mad? Were there any other children with whom she would at least parallel play?
She’s gone to us now so we can’t ask her, and those who should be speaking for HER have left her abandoned in death. Or so it would seem.
Her grandparents have offered us little information about Caylee. Casey has offered us less. When they have spoken it’s always been about them. Their saddness. Their sorrow. Their heartaches and hardships. They’ve not offered one single word about what Caylee may have gone through. To my knowledge they’ve never publically expressed concern for how much she may have suffered, or how frightened she may have been.
Were Caylee my child, or in any way related to me, I’d want to know what she had to endure without me. I’d be screaming to know. I’d be dying to know. And then I’d be demanding that justice be served. Yet all we hear from the Anthonys is that Casey be set free.
Have they ever cried for justice for Caylee? Or has it always been about Casey? It’s enough to make me wonder if Caylee truly mattered at all, or if she served as but a momentary distraction which took them away from the misery of their lives if but for a time.
Though we’ve been bombarded with countless pictures and video of what appears to be a smiling, well adjusted child, there have been other pictures, though fewer and farther between, that seem to tell a different story. These fewer photographs show us a weary Caylee. A watchful and wary Caylee. An uncertain Caylee.
I hope the spirit of good Lady Justice, as she leads Caylee gently into the courtroom come Tuesday, will help Caylee to speak for herself, ever so loudly and clearly, for the very first time since she spoke her last word and breathed her last breath.
As the spirit of Lady Justice leads “Caylee”? gently into the courtroom come Tuesday will help Caylee speak for herself ever so loudly and clearly, for the very first time since she spoke her last word and breathed her last breath. And what are you so hoping Caylee might say???? What if she says, “I love my mommy, please don’t hurt my mommy, she did not hurt me”! What if?
disgusted, as pointed out to you already…
you really do need to check your facts, though somehow I think the truth and you are strangers and you knew you were posting BS when you were posting.
I do what I do pro bono….I don’t sell anything, don’t ask for donations or tips or what have you…in actual fact that I believe you already were aware of the fact I opened the blog for fellow WFTV bloggers YEARS ago…and did so because at that time WFTV had no moderator….
But on the subject of goods and selling, and gosh trademark……here are some facts for you ……so that in case I had been selling anything, which I wasn’t and am not, I could legally do it, and legally continue to do it…
From USPTO regarding trademark…..please take note of “common law” rights…..and refresh that I opened what I did YEARS ago, not this month or claim this month I am applying for a trademark
USPTO
What are “common law” rights?
Federal registration is not required to establish rights in a trademark. Common law rights arise from actual use of a mark and may allow the common law user to successfully challenge a registration or application.
USPTO
How long will it take for my mark to register?
The total time for an application to be processed may be anywhere from almost a year to several years, depending on the basis for filing and the legal issues that may arise in the examination of the application. You may view the application processing timelines here.
You know what, I’m, it would give me such great pleasure to be wrong about this. If Casey could prove her innocence, beyond a reasonable doubt, I would be so pleased FOR CAYLEE.
But tell me, I’m, where’s Casey’s alibi? The one she gave was shot all to hell right? “I was at work, at Universal,” remember? She’d been fired from Universal years before. “I left Caylee with Zanny on the steps!” On the steps leading up to an apartment that had been vacant for months as I recall, oh and there was and is no Zanny the Nanny. And how can we ever forget, “Zanny’s sister attacked me at Blanchard park then took off with Caylee, but she wrote me this note!” Yeah. Right.
I’m going to stop there, though there are countless evidences that point to Casey and Casey alone, that could be listed, and you know that’s true! There’s no way you or any one else can deny that all roads lead back to her. But let me ask you, since you asked me what if.
What if, clutching the hand of Lady Justice, tightly, Caylee with tears in her eyes looks to her mother and inquires, “Mommy, why didn’t you love me? Mommy why did I have to die?”
Who was the last known person to see Caylee alive? George you say? Zanny? Not so. Casey. Any way you cut it, Casey was the last known person to see Caylee alive, by her own admission. There was no Zanny to have dropped her off to, at the steps leading up to an apartment that had been vacant for months. The event didn’t happen.
An absolute fact, if Caylee could say to mommy “why did I have to die” (by your hand, I suppose is meant? ) Why do those of us outside who do not know and only find POINTS to Casey, need to find her guilty before trial. What kind satisfaction is gained except self gratification of calling the right “judgement” If we have a justice system at all, let IT do it’s job. Yes, everything POINTS…… If the jury finds Casey not guilty of murder in the first degree, there will be vast disappointment for those who want her to be guilty? Will we question their judgement? Will we be happy that proof beyond a reasonable doubt did not hold up. Don’t think so. Caylee was not old enough to have learned to hate like we have. Maybe she never would have even if she lived. A first!
Imfullofshit:
I, like many others have followed this case from day 1. And from what I have seen of the evidence, circumstantial and otherwise I have come to the conclusion and yes, judged, that Casey Anthony, and only Casey Anthony murdered her daughter.
You say: “How can some of you gloat because you have called out a murderer yet you don’t know. Why do we need a justice system with people like you? You are so desperate for Casey to be found guilty not because she may be, but because you want to say you are right”.
You also say; “What a pleasure when once in awhile one can find a true heart where they know justice will come without their need for self adoration and judgement of others with their nooses in hand.”
And this: What kind satisfaction is gained except self gratification of calling the right “judgement”
Wanting Casey to be found guilty so we can say we are right? No, I can’t speak for everyone, but I do not want Casey Anthony to be convicted of murder because I want to say I am right, but because, from what I have gleaned, she IS the murderer of her daughter. I am not “gloating” because I believe Casey Anthony killed her little girl. It makes me sick!
Oh please, this like many “high-profile” murder cases have been discussed, speculated and JUDGED! And in this day and age, and in THIS case it is being blogged about. High profile, in the news, murder cases and discussing and judging is nothing new: Lizzie Borden, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, Diane Downs, Pamela Smart, Phil Spector, Scott Peterson, OJ SIMPSON (to name a few). Talked about, JUDGED , speculated about. I talked about, speculated, formed an opinion and yes, judged all of those. (Obviously one AFTER the fact and some too young to follow).
As spectators, we ALL know, that our conclusion of guilt or innocence (and use of nooses), before it hits the courtroom doesn’t mean shit and that a guilty or not guilty conclusion ONLY “counts” in a court of law. I judged OJ Simpson and thought he was guilty. And still do. But the conclusion of his guilt or innocence ONLY counted in a court of law! Sure, I was outraged that that jury aquitted him. I didn’t want him to be found guilty because I I wanted to say “I am right and adore myself”, but because I truly believe he is guilty. Just like Casey Anthony.” (My life went on, by the way after the OJ trial).
There is nothing wrong with having an opinion of guilty or not guilty, and discussing it
with whoever or wherever one chooses. I have not followed any other murder case where the general public has been privy to all the documents released in this case, thus making it a heavily discussed murder case. Discussing this murder case and the guilt or innocence of said accused, has nothing to do with “self adoration”. What, I “adore” myself because I strongly believe that an accused murder is guilty?
“using the death of a child, been such a sickening excuse to spill hatefulness.”?
Personally, I am an equal opportunity hater of all murderers. Especially the when
mothers (or fathers) murder their children.
I agree with Autumn when she says “You know what, I’m, it would give me such great pleasure to be wrong about this. If Casey could prove her innocence, beyond a reasonable doubt, I would be so pleased FOR CAYLEE.”
Yes, show me this “Nanny.Prove to me that someone else killed this little girl. Don’t just attack the proxeutions evidence. Don’t just say,uh-uh, wasn’t me.
I wish I never heard the name Casey Anthony, a mother accused of killing her daughter, Caylee Anthony. I wish Caylee Anthony was a million other kids I will never know about who had a childhood and grew up.
LindaNY, you took the words right off my keyboard. You said just about everything I would have, but so much better than I ever could, and I thank you! *hearts*!
I’m, you make a few good points:
“Yes, everything POINTS”… so you agree that the evidence points to Casey?
“If we have a justice system at all, let IT do it’s job.” Most certainly! However, the wheels of justice are slowly turning, are they not? And I would dare to say that they are turning in spite of all and any outside opinion and countless efforts made by the defense, in particular, to stop it. Lady Justice pays little attention to opinions such as yours and mine, but she would fight to the death to defend our right to voice our opinions.
“using the death of a child, been such a sickening excuse to spill hatefulness.”? I suppose there are some whose hearts are so hardened and whose attitudes are so dark that they actually LOOK to FIND someone or something to hate, whereas the majority of people, I would dare to say, believe that most people are good and incapable of such things as murdering their own children for no other reason than to pave their own way to “self” fulfillment, “self” satisfaction and “self” gratification. Such people deserve to be despised.
You say that Caylee was not old enough to “learn” to hate. Since when is hatred not a spontaneous emotional response to a repeated objectionable experience or person? For all we know she might have “hated” peas, or having her hair washed, or being sedated with chloroform. Why would you think that a near three year old child felt no adverse emotion?
You make a good point when you say that many will be disappointed if the verdict comes back not guilty. I, for one, will most certainly be, but it won’t be because I hate Casey, which I don’t by the way, I don’t find her worthy of what energy it would take to hate her, it will be because I will feel that justice was not rightly served Caylee. Will it cause me to lose faith in our justice system? No. Not at all. I’m a firm believer in “what goes around comes around”, which I don’t define as Karma but God’s means of doling out justice, and if Casey goes free though she’s committed this crime, it’ll come back to bite her in her arse.
Speaking only for myself I can tell you I would love to be proven wrong, nothing would please me more than to have the thought of a helpless child staring into the eyes of her mother finding comfort, love and the feeling of protection rather than fear, pain, and confusion.
It has always pained me to think of Caylee’s last moments and the thought that she stared into the eyes of her Mother and found the most pain she had felt in her short little life, that she in her final moments felt her heart break as she gave her last breath and her little mind filled with terror and confusion as she looked at the person she should have most trusted to protect her.
Please, prove me wrong Jose’ this world is filled with so much evil, please give me back the hope that a mother could not look down at her child and do this.
Ask David Smith if a mother could kill her own children and then blame a minority
until such time as there no more mileage in blaming a minority…
…and then take a close look at this case, a minority was blamed until such time as there was no more mileage in doing so, then a meter reader was blamed or implied anyway, and along the way former boyfriend etc..
It is unrealistic to believe a mother could not kill her own child, that is fantasy land
Casey is again having to look Caylee in the face, only this time Caylee has Mr. Ashton, Mrs. Burdick and Mr. George with her.
Interesting that one would be “pleased if Casey could prove her innocence beyond a reasonable doubt I would be so pleased … for CAYLEE. And why not for Casey, just to think we came close injecting death to a young mother who did not murder her child.
Well analyzed, so maybe one can find her comment 5/20 @ 7:45 pm. and explain to herself how she judged “immediately” on hearing the news. Now a personal need that Casey be found guilty, not for Caylee, for oneself.
I’m, that one would be pleased for Casey goes without saying, doesn’t it? That still would not excuse her behavior during those 31 days she failed to report her daughter missing, does it, or how it was that she partied and played during those 31 days when she could well have been out looking for her daughter, or at the very least continued to play, while the authorities searched for Caylee, had she informed them. As it is she did NOTHING and that speaks quite a bit more loudly than your what if scenarios. If she is proven not to be a murderer, than she remains a most negligent mother at best, for which she will still need to be held accountable.
“Just to think that we came close injecting death” are you kidding me? How many years does the average Joe sit on death row filing appeal after appeal? Casey is no where near close to being injected even if she is found guilty and the sentence is death! Truth be told because she’s young, she’s white, she’s pretty, she will be awarded privileges most in her shoes don’t so much as dare to dream about receiving, and you’re feeling sorry for her? How so?
Sitting on death row, so confined, no life, to know all there is, is death. It seems this adds extra punishment. Anxious to know she is DEAD is important, I guess. Color has nothing to do with it. Sorry for her? Well, only sorry that she is wanted dead before legally convicted, which is vigilante, exactly, nooses in hand. “Negligent at best” so are we going to be able to gather up all the negligent parents and chastise them also. Probably don’t even give them a thought. Anyone got any perfect parenting in their families? WE
should hold them accountable….. for CAYLEE. Maybe by paying attention to our OWN we
MAY not have a Caylee in our family. What a dreadful thought!
A perfect parent doesn’t exist but one doesn’t have to be perfect to raise their child. One doesn’t have to be perfect to know they are incapable of raising a child, either.
Casey had so many other options.
fullofshit: “Well analyzed, so maybe one can find her comment 5/20 @ 7:45 pm. and explain to herself how she judged “immediately” on hearing the news. Now a personal need that Casey be found guilty, not for Caylee, for oneself.”
I found my comment. I explained to myself why my immediate reaction was that this mother killed her little girl. And my self said, “Oh yeah, you have common sense! And very good judgement. But why is fullofshit saying you have a personal need that Casey be found guilty….for youself? That doesn’t make any sense..” And I have to agree with my self. It doesn’t make any sense!
The eyes don’t lie. Casey’s eyes said it all from day 31. So did Diane Downs’. I judged both from the onset and was right. Frankly, I don’t give 2 squirts of piss what anyone else thought. There are a lot of time-worn, cliched ‘isms out there and they usually have a firm basis in fact, like “where there’s smoke, there’s fire”.
Anyone who thinks the skank is innocent is an idiot. That being said…we have the fairest, most sophisticated justice system in the world and albeit slowly, it does work. It is working as we speak. Until then, we all have an opinion, we are all human and as such, judgmental.
Deal with it.
Because you have been waiting anxiously for three years for this trial, so exhausted that it took so long, waiting anxiously for the guilty verdict. you made it, you held out, now you will have a great day soon. One to celebrate….for CAYLEE! As many others will do. Would Caylee really yearn for US to be joyful in hoping for the ultimate death of her mother????
Have a drink, toast each other. to a great accomplishment.
I’m, “JOYFUL in hoping for the ultimate death of her mother????” you said. Might I suggest that you put down that martini and pay closer attention.
Nuff said.
Sure! So what do I need to pay closer attention to Nuff said? Good suggestion, but I’m not a sipper of anything in the liquor category. Yep, that’s what I said. “Joyful in hoping” should it be “in hopes of the ultimate death of her mother.” Tell me, is it possible that if Casey is executed she will then be with Caylee? Who can accept it?
Well, I can only speak for myself, but I am NOT hoping and cheering for the death of Casey Anthony. Just conviction for murdering her child. LWOP would be fine with me.
Saschamaroon, to add to “where there’s smke theris’ fire”: If it looks like a duck…..
And I judge things everyday…I judge that the guy weaving in and out of traffic on the parkway every morning is an a-hole….
I’mfullofshit ————————————– btw — I don’t think you are!
You know what Linda, you nor I, have to answer to, or explain anything to these sour-puss’es that come looking for a cat fight.
You know as well as I that if we said the grass is green & the sky is blue Haz & crew would come looking for a cat fight.
Let the alley cats hiss and prance about, they are just looking for show.
They offer nothing other than a hairball of spite, I have yet to see one grain of info that was of use.
Implying Caylee might say this or that is on the same deranged level
as claiming she called Casey around noon of July 15…when she was clearly dead at that time, that and proof no such call was made….
Which on it’s own will take the wind out of any accident claim…..
And those fixated on excuse making for bowels or some such…
go to the Depends brand website…they have adult depends for those full of it
I’m, I apologize for the martini comment; but you are missing the point of what most are saying! SHOULD Casey be found guilty FEWER are they who will be dancing in the street than those who would be, should Casey be found guilty, receive the death penalty, and be executed! I, for one, will weep bitterly for all that might have been done to prevent all of this from happening, that wasn’t.
As Linda said, above, justice would be well served, in my opinion, if she were to receive a life sentence. I say this because it is my absolute belief (judgment) that she is guilty of the crime (discernment) she has been accused of committing, and such a crime deserves a just punishment.
“Tell me, is it possible that if Casey is executed she will then be with Caylee?” “Who can accept it?”
I’m not God so I am unable to answer the question but to say that I am not one who would ever question the wisdom of God. If He chooses to reconcile in the afterlife that which cannor or could not be reconciled in this lifetime, so be it.
“I’m not God so I am unable to answer the question but to say that I am not one who would ever question the wisdom of God. If He chooses to reconcile in the afterlife that which cannot or could not be reconciled in this lifetime, so be it” Great, God’s Wisdom!
Witnessing one weaving in and out on the highway, seeing it happen, isn’t judging. referring to one as an a-hole?? The death of Caylee Marie Anthony was not witnessed by anyone of us ….just hours now until Tuesday May 24, 2011. Are we all set up to watch?
hey friends,
We have waited a long time for tomorrow to come, we have waited longer for this trial than little Caylee was alive. KC has done so poorly through voir dire, I will be surprised if she can maintain control during the trial.
Whether KC got the DP, LWOP, or even if she was acquitted, KC is looking at 30 yrs. each on two other charges, I think one is aggravated child abuse & the other is aggravated child neglect, then one yr. each on 4 charges, for a total of 7 charges. (judypc would know the exact charges better than I,) KC isn’t going to walk among the free in my lifetime at least.
I think there is a nurse & a nursing student on the jury, that should be helpful during deliberations in the case & a teacher. imo, without evening hearing Baez’s opening, I don’t think he will remotely deliver what he promises, someone at the HM said Mason didn’t deliver in the Sorranno case either, he opened with promises & he could not prove them. Baez promises the FIRST MINUTE we will understand the 31 days, I will be waiting for ANYTHING believable that would prevent a mother from reporting her child missing. Judge Alex is on Vinnie P & has said several times the Defense would never get past that one fact!
Music to my ears, art tart!!! I have been holding my breath that she won’t get away with what she is so very obviously guilty of.
Hi judy! I know i don’t have to answer. I am done and moving on to the trial. Except for tomorrow, late morning, at which time I will be watching the trial and after that will have to catch up in the evenings. It’s about time this is going to trial. What a ridiculous amount of time it took for this to get there!
art tartJust sent you an e-mail via Hinky. Yeah, either way this girl will be going to prison.
Autumn, without going into it all, I truly do beleive there is an afterlife in a “Heaven”. Caylee is safe and unharmed now. It is Casey who will have the “karma” to work out. Caylee has probably forgiven. But on this earth, punishment for the crime of murder must be paid.
See you all tommorow, Ladies!
Looking forward to the the “Aha moment” , the “Oh, OK THAT is why she didn’t report her daughter missing” and “Oh, there are so many other people who could have killed Caylee…”
hattie catnip, what a cute name.
LindaNewYork, prepare to hear Baez claim: This was a HORRIBLE ACCIDENT & KC was AFRAID TO TELL HER PARENT’S! The Defense has turned over loving videos of KC/Caylee tonight to show how much KC loved Caylee, but I don’t know how they will explain the bumping & grinding KC proceeded to do for 31 days. KC will have to take the stand to SHARE their latest theory & Bill Sheaffer said Jeff Ashton will destroy KC.
Of course this is no surprise to us, they have tried to blame Roy Kronk, Jesse Grund, suggested Amy might be Zanny, the bullchit spewed from this Defense Team is exhausting, there is simply no defense left.
Evening Autumn & judypc, I am glad that KC is looking at 30 yrs. on the other count’s, imo, common sense will prevail, KC has told so many lies I can’t wait to hear Jeff Ashton say: “Were you lying then OR are you lying now!” CLASSIC!
ON THE ACCCIDENT THEORY:
Julia, a Canadain Prosecutor that comments on the HM ask several Medical Examiner’s about the accident theory for Caylee. She gave them the Autoposy report of Dr. G’s. & told them nothing else.
They said: Caylee’s mandible was in place, when we die, the mandible relaxes, as we vacate our bowels & urinate, every thing relaxes. For Caylee’s mandible to have been in place then it was “taped closed before death.” Julia said the ME’s said they were suprised Dr. G didn’t mention it but then she may at trial.
I don’t think anyone remotely believes it was an accident, & then there are those testy computer searches. It will be interesting to see this play out.
Art Tart – I am pretty sure I remember reading that Dr. G stated the duct tape was placed antemortem (which means before death).
how big the circus tent will be?
Between Jokin Jose’ & the Anthony’s drama poor Judge Perry is in for a wild ride.
Hope the jury wears their armor its gonna be a bloody battle.
I predict Casey has a crying fit within seconds of Jeff Ashton starting his opening, Cindy has a screaming fit, George will give his turkey neck swallow and dry cry all while screaming threats, Casey might even have herself another case of the vapors and have to be carried out of the courtroom.
Jose’ will shake his head, Mason will call for a mis-trial because the jury was witness to the whole mess.
Judge Perry will break his gavel, and go horse from having to shout “ORDER IN THE COURT”!!
At least 2 guards will receive minor wounds from having to drag Cindy & George out of the courtroom,
11 of the 12 juriors will be heard saying ” Holy S&#! what have I gotten into?”
Art Tart, Casey’s motto is ”I always tell the truth. Even when I lie.”
I think that quote may be from the movie Scarface lol.
Today’s the day! 3 more hours, two minutes!
Judy, you forgot to say that at least twice Mess Anthony will attempt suicide, with no real intention of causing harm to herself, but in an attempt to delay the proceedings and gain the sympathy of the jury.
I wonder if Jose will bring up that little tidbit about George’s attempt to kill himself coupled with that blast from the past about Casey telling a friend she was thinking about committing herself. It might help him to establish some sort of mental break or undiagnosed psychopathy that runs in the family. It wouldn’t surprise me.
Hattie Catnip, you’re absolutely correct about the duct tape. Not only did it hold Caylee’s mandible in place, it kept the only hair that remained stuck to her skull in a matted wad, which is also significant, I believe.
Art Tart, it is my hope that Caylee knows no other existence than the one she now has in heaven.
Mr. Schaeffer, I know you’re so busy and all, but if you could please write another article for us to ponder, it would be most appreciated. It is May after all. You may even title it Mayhem?
may·hem (mhm, mm)
n.
1. Law The offense of willfully maiming or crippling a person.
2. Infliction of violent injury on a person or thing; wanton destruction.
3. A state of violent disorder or riotous confusion; havoc.
Autumn:
Look for Georges 9 page letter to be read in court where he says he was worthless & low down, and everyone would be better off without him.
He was a bad husband, bad father, bla bla bla…
Judy, lol! I can’t wait!
I’m going to miss Prosecution opening arguments-Have a job interview @ 9:30. Will be watching after that on InSession and during commercials will watch here on WFTV.
Ya know, if they go with the “Cayee was killed by accident and Casey was afraid to tell her parents”…It is amazing to me that the DT, any DT, and C&G would point the finger publicy at others, C&G lying about knowing of a “Nanny” (and the Nanny’s dog!!!) and then say it was an accident.
Well no matter what the “defense” is, Jose is promising it will be compelling and we will know in the first minute. Can’t wait!
Well, my jaw dropped all right…LOL
That was the most pathetic defense opening I have ever heard, not that I have heard many of them, but I am CERTAIN it will rate as the worst I will have ever heard even decades from now…
So kronk didn’t do it according to defense and zanny didn’t do it, gosh some accident all of a sudden…but somehow kronk, not guilty of anything according to defense, moved the body, yet george is last with the body?
Yes and pigs fly…
Those jurors are going to return a guilty verdict so fast the defense and it’s hack’s heads will spin…
Congrats defense you have now directly connected Casey with Caylee’s dead body by your claim (from her) she died in the pool and you even know the date…so State doesn’t even need to do that
George grew a pair….So far, He’s standing up for Caylee. And Casey looked upset…
Baez had the balls to say that George and Cindy Anthony did nothing to help raise Caylee, Casey had to do everything by herself…And that the Jury should set her free and let her go home. Is Baez talking about the same home that for the past hour or so he said Casey was abused in, yet now he wants the Jury to send her back into the abuse???
Baez was worthless in his cross of George….Confused himself several times.
Doug
The worst of many things the defense did was that diatribe about kronk…somehow getting the body holding onto to it, moving it…
yet earlier had said george had the body find in the pool and defense did not know where body was
Raw Video, part 5 beginning at 17:00-17:30! Watch Casey nod her head in response to what LDB said addressing the matter of the duct tape!
I’m stilll catching up, but who are they going to blame next? Kio Marie?
Well, WOW… which direction are we suppose to go Jose’?
Everyone is guilty but Casey,?
I was willing to give the devil his due in the beginning when Jose’ first started his opening statement I was to say the least surprised and even said wow, he’s actually doing well, then he started to veer and went off in every direction possible.
He blamed Cindy, George, Lee, Kronk, the police, the sheriffs office, the butcher the baker and the candle stick maker.
He went way to far with the “ George found Caylee in the pool and he & Casey hid the body together”
Now, it seemed to me he was leading the jury to conclude that George did this because he may have believed he was indeed Caylees father, he seemed to want us to believe the entire family knew this dirty little secret and would have taken part in this cover up to keep the secret.
He then wants us to believe that Kronk had the body from August to December?
I’m sorry, but that went so far off the realm of believability that even for this case is to weird.
That is without doubt the worst pull it our of your ass defense opening statement I have ever witnessed. If the scenario that Baez laid out today had a ring of truth, then why the hell did he allow his client to languish for three years in jail? Jose has now put his client in a very precarious position. Casey will now have to take the stand and verify the accident theory and the dreamed up molestation allegation. I think that Judge Perry is really pissed at Baez tonight. He may have caused his own mistrial and hopefully disbarment for lying to the court.
Good for George today but I still won’t give him a pass since he spawned and enabled that ugly duckling. If this trial continues, I can’t wait till Cindy gets on the stand. She will come apart at the seams.
It just makes no sense, granted we have seen everything in this case, and you all know I am no fan of George’s, never have been, and still hold to my he’s a sleaze.
But honestly, even I do not think he could have pulled that baby out of the pool and not called 911.
It simply does not compute, and try as I might I can not set down beside the ” Kronk had the body from Aug to Dec, I mean really how does one swallow that much of a heaping pile and not smell the fumes?
*sigh*. What a freakin’ nightmare Baez was with his opening statement! Did Mason and Finnell approve of this verbal seepage of pure sewage the jury is expected to swallow? Did he give no consideration for the mountain of evidence there is, to include Casey’s own testimony in her LE interviews and depositions that refute near every word he said this afternoon, to include everything he’s been saying for the passed three darn years! If he knew Caylee was dead, had drowned, then why did he continue to insist that Caylee was still alive and fault LE for not looking for a live Caylee? Why, if he knew she was dead did he even bother to try to point the finger at Jesse and Kronk as the possible murderers? And above all else WHY, if he knew Caylee was dead due to the result of an accident, WHY did he withhold that information from LE, the state and the general public, indeed, and leave Casey to rot in a jail cell for three long years?
None of it makes sense, and I can’t wait for the evidence to blow his blatant misrepresentions of the facts clear out of the water!
George, I’m proud of you, for the sake of Caylee you did the right thing. Cindy, please, do the same. You can’t help Casey by continuing to cover up for her. Perhaps you both know that now. Some lessons are best learned the hard way.
Knechel is at it again
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/193676/19/Will-Orlando-magazine-taint-the-Casey-Anthony-jury
This is a bad dream…he is at it again
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/193676/19/Will-Orlando-magazine-taint-the-Casey-Anthony-jury
ShinyWalrussStrikesAgain, Warning? What does the link have to do with Knechel. He did not write those articles??? Or what exactly are you referring to?
She ought to be charged with parental abuse aswell
This page takes soooo long to load!
My jaw was dropped as well. All I could say to myself (and on another blog) was OMG! I actually had to laugh out loud at that absurd “excuse” for the murder, by her mother ,of Caylee.
And Kronk? OMG. Absurd.
How this girl could throw blame on her father…drowning in pool? Caylee in George’s arms? Getting rid of the body? Cover up? Set up? COME ON! Preposturous!
Expected sleeze, but this is the ultimate sleeze! It is just pathetic!
Well gotta go to work. Will have to catch up tonight.
Abused Not, I agree. Parental abuse!
Autumn, Nightmare, INDEED!
It’s as if defense is on drugs or something…
First they place Casey directly in a position of effort toward/of avoiding prosecution with their story that goeoge mentions prison time to her….that is one of her motivators according to the story now told…
Then it is as if george himself would not want to beat the mud water out of casey having just found his granddaughter dead..and best he can cough up is cindy won’t forgive her, and the prison thing?
LOL…..and better still…take note fellow bloggers and speculators we were right, defense even says so, the nanny story was a LIE…we all said so way back when, years ago…and we said kronk had nothing to do with kidnapping Caylee or killing her, we bloggers were right again even the defense says so…
LMAO at the defense and it’s equally debased hacks, some of which who have floated on here, elsewhere too, but here for sure…….
Wonder if Mason’s new clients are watchimg him in action, they should start looking for new rep. on their cases.
…ATTENTION ALL REPORTERS…ATTENTION ALL REPORTERS…
If you want Baez and/or Mason to stop and talk to you just “TAPE” a dollar to your face and they will stop and talk.
Confession: I watch streaming videos of the trial @ work.
Linda, I have changed my mind. This isn’t just a nightmare, but a nightmare within a nightmare! How the heLL is Baez able to declare Caylee’s death a drowning as he does? “Were you there the day Caylee drowned?” Maybe Judy can shed some light on this for us? OR ….
Mr. Schaeffer, we would sure appreciate a new article, if you can spare the time. Maybe you could utilize the services of a guest writer? Kathy B. maybe? Pretty please!
VirtualBlu, shhhh. Don’t tell any one, but, I watch at work too, and at home, and in my car, and waiting in line at the school, and at the grocery store, and … By the time this is over, I’ll be watching from the drug store, in desperate need of meds.
Doug, too funny! I’ve got a new name for him that won’t apply until the end of the trial and whatever appeal he will file. Bye-Azz! Good Writ-ence!
Abused, I hope it comes out during the trial how it was Casey controlled that household.
Everyday you can see Casey age, she is even starting to hunch somewhat in her chair. Things are not going as she planned. Casey may even be thinking “I gave this Bozo almost $300,000 and he can’t even get a two questions in a row asked without the Judge substaining an objection…I’m screwed…”
By the end of this trial Casey will need a wheelchair to get back to her cell. I’m sure a wheelchair will be needed to execute her as Casey, I’m sure, will not walk into that chamber under her own power.
Defense is trying the shotgun effect, aim and shoot maybe one pellet will hit the bullseye.
Honestly, Jose started out doing very well, then he pulled the trigger and fired what can only be described as a scatter shot.
Now, he is facing a harsh reality, he is going to have to prove to some extent his claims, and if he fails to do so he loose’s credibility, and his client loose’s her life.
Had he stopped at Caylee died on the 16th due to a tragic accidental drowning, she panicked, and out of fear tried to make it look like a kidnapping, he stood a very good chance of his client walking away with a manslaughter charge.
Not only did he push the envelope by the claims George sexually abused Casey, which the state can easily challenge, he reloaded and fired the Kronk had the body for an extended amount of time dumping it, this could come right off the pages of Stephen King.
What team Casey has not taken into consideration is Casey’s own statements in regard to her being an abuse victim, she told three different people that her brother Lee had been her abuser, and in her own writing said Lee was the one that came into her room, and “she was not sure but thought “MAYBE” her father had but she was to young to recall for sure.
Now, since anything she told to another is considered “hearsay” and can not be brought into court as evidence, that does not hold true of her hand written letter, that falls right into the hands of the state as evidence and can be used.
Now, they as well have video of Casey saying to George “you have been a great father, and grandfather, more than once, they also have her discounting the idea that Caylee drowned in the pool.
They also have to somehow explain how if she had been so abused she chose to stay in the house not only after the age of 18, BUT that at the age of 19 when she gave birth to a daughter, a daughter that she allowed her accused abuser to have access to on a daily basis, there was no law, that could have kept her from taking her child and leaving at any time.
They as well loose credibility every time Casey breaks down and cry’s, WHY you ask?
Well, very simply look to their own statement, she is in her own reality, she does not react because she simply makes her own world in which nothing effects her, she carries on as if nothing has happened.
Has anyone thought of checking the weather conditions in Florida on june 16, 2008 ? All I can find is severe weather alerts, thunder storms with tropical downpours. Now what 2 year old goes out to swim in a thunderstorm ?? All 2 year olds I have ever known are afraid of bad weather and won’t go outside. But what do I know, Casey afterall is the Mother of the Year.
From orlando sentinel comments;
Ft._Laud_PI at 1:52 AM May 26, 2011
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***Please Read!!!!! OMAR from thejbmission dot wordpress dot com: If you happen to read this comment, PLEASE listen up. I implore you to STOP making incredibly rude, racist and inappropriate comments about the Hon. Judge Perry on a wordpress (open to all readers) website. Today’s comments were the worst of all. I won’t even dignify to publish your actual hateful words here. I doubt the equally-hateful owner of the blog deleted them…but perhaps she did? You also decided to poke fun at the innocent neighbor of the A’s…….Mr. Burner…the hard-working father of three. I have no idea what compels you to make such horrible, hateful comments about people….but it needs to stop. MANY people (besides me) have noticed. Why are you such an angry woman?? Are you a lifelong bully and racist against African-Americans?
***For anyone who respects Judge Perry and HATES racism and bigotry…PLEASE send a message/comment to JBmission (website above) and let “JB” and Omar know that racism is NOT TO BE TOLERATED. It is ALSO mean-spirited to make fun of Mr. Burner. Ridiculous and childish, cruel behavior. There are no excuses (even if you are angry that your beloved Baez is being very, very idiotic in court). SEND A MESSAGE TO OMAR!!! This is serious.My input has long been banned because I chose to challenge JB’s blind support of Jose Baez. I thank you!*****
George Anthony may be lieing. Here’s how/why.
Assume George Anthony was indeed sexually molesting Caylee. Then Caylee accidentally drowns in the pool. George cannot allow an autopsy because it would show evidence consistent with of molestation (orrifice stretching) on Caylee. So George cooks up a way to hide the body until it decomposes to the point that molestation would be undetectable. He commands Casey: he’ll take care of it, go about your business like nothing happened. Assume George has complete and terrorizing control over Casey so she complies absolutely. Then months later after adequate decomposition has taken place, George plants the body on Suburban drive and he annonomously contacts Roy Kronk and tells him where to look for the body and get his payday.
George fools the cops because he knows how they operate. Ex-cop, the best of all liars.
All his testimony so far could be consistent with this theory.
John, you forgot one thing (at least). Casey shoving the cans at George and saying “here’s your f’ing cans” does not exhibit terror of George, or any control whatsoever over her.
So, this sharp ex cop who knows how cops are picks a phantom nanny
is too stupid to think it has to be a real person to focus blame on rather than a phantom nanny?
Yeah, sure one who knows how cops operate would come up with a phantom nanny…
and worse, phantom job for his daughter, and phantom residences for the phantom nanny…
it is astounding what LOW level defense hacks will sink to, then pop up on a blog out of the blue to offer their illogical wares
RS,
George is being extermely careful (and evasive) in his replys to Jose Baez questions.
As for Zanny the Nanny and the phantom job, Casey invented those. George just weaved them into the interviews with the cops.
Funny how George never asked who Caylee’s father was. Not interested? Hmmm.
Funny how George (an ex-cop) couldn’t figure out for a month that Caylee was missing. Hmmm.
not funny at all…cindy was relaying to george what she knew of what Casey was telling her, you know the trip to Tampa, the beach etc…he would not be aware something was wrong
and of george and Baez….let’s see how you interact with someone that just accused you of being a molester…you’d be cautious and suspicious of anything that person asked you in fact you would not want to even speak to that person, yet george is being forced to in a manner of speaking
RS,
Let’s also remember, George owned the white car. So, he must have had his own key. George could have grabbed the car to transport the body somewhere, then return the car to where it was parked by the dumpster at Tony’s appartment. Too bad the cops didn’t question the ex-cop (one of their bros) about access to the car during the June/July timeframe.
oh my, pick a defense hack spot and land…
See currently the defense approach is science bad, dogs bad…..no body there
now you come with george had a key..
so is the defense ( and it’s hacks ) now stipulating there was a body in the trunk of the vehicle Casey drove and abandoned.
RS,
Sooo you don’t keep a spare key to your car. I do. Most people do.
I think you’ll concede that George could well have wrapped the duct tape on Caylee’s head to keep the lower jaw in place while the body decomped.
Whoa, there is the explanation for why Casey did internet searches on “Chloroform”. Her boyfriend had the photo on his Myspace page with the title “Win her with Chloroform”. Casey clearly saw the photo and got curious then did the searches on her computer. Simple curiosity. Very simple.
Maybe not all that simple, John. Didn’t she also search for “how to make chloroform”? Did she also see neck breaking and shovels on his myspace page?
On the “how to make chloroform”? search, the process of making it could be part of the curiosity. But the photo made clear it was humor in the context of date rape, not murder.
On the “shovel” search, so what, there are a 1000 reasons one might want a shovel and George had his locked in the shed.
On the “neck breaking” search, we’ve yet to hear anything. Maybe an acquaintance hurt his/her neck. Let’s wait and see what happens in further testimony.
She got the idea of using chloroform to knockout Caylee from seeing the joke post as Morales said she had trouble getting her to go to sleep
She then later took it one step further and used it in the process of murdering Caylee…JMHO
RS,
An expert said that the elevated levels of chloroform found in the car trunk could be consistent with chlorinated pool water draining from a drowning victims lungs.
That said, I acknowledge your theory is another one that is consistent with the evidence.
The question is why didn’t the cops explore all plausible explanations? And now we have no evidence except for the one and only theory they followed. No investigation of George. No phone call records. No whereabouts accounting. It just raises doubts.
Just to point out – the Anthony’s didn’t use chloroform in their pool
Good point, Kim. We don’t even know if they used chlorine in their pool. Some pools are sanitized using other than chlorine.
OMG this is just funny, IRS has filed a tax lien against Casey, for 60+ thousand dollars, seems no one filed taxes on the 250 thousand she was paid for her photo’s that she paid Jose with.
hattie catnip,
Right if the police CSI had taken pool samples, we would know if chlorine was present in the pool. And other fluids related to drowning if any. But alas, CSI did not take a sample.
Strange. A child disappearance case, with potential for foul play, and CSI ignores a pool that takes up half of the yard. I’m skeptical. Was CSI told to limit their testing and why?
Also, I’m not a chemist, so I don’t know if pool chlorine could some how chemically can to or register as choloraform. The Teevee expert I hear said it could explain the levels measured in the trunk.
Well defense ship is sunk….their star witness just proffered no sex abuse by george, it was hitting by george, not sex abuse he was told by casey asnd will tell the jury that in the AM
oh well, nice try defense, better luck with next client you might get…
RS,
Just because Casey could not bring herself to disclose the full, horrible truth to Tony, does not mean it did not happen. Indeed, Tony said he tried to change the subject so he didn’t have to engage in the subject. He signaled clearly to Casey that he didn’t want to hear it.
RS, as I said above, Casey always implied it was Lee who was her sex abuser, George was to stern if you look back at the police reports & depo’s of Jesse & Tony, the implication was Lee had touched her, Lee came into her room at night, until she told him “if you touch me again I will kill you”
It was these statements that caused LE to test Lee’s DNA to see if he could be the father of Caylee.
The only time she implicated George was in the jail-house letter in which she said
“she was unsure, but thought maybe George had done something when she was very young, but she could not say for sure, it was like a dream or something”
Now, they come into court very graphic and say he molested her since she was 8 and would send her off to school after having oral sex.
Now, you all know I have long suspected George, I have NEVER been one that liked him, and have always said I thought he may very well have been an abuser.
Most, also know my background in the area of abuse victims, the results, effects and aftermath of abuse, and while I am unwilling to say she suffered no such abuse, I am saying something about this whole store is not ringing true.
IMO the state would be well served to bring in an expert and allow them to convey to the jury the facts & effects of such abuse.
If people look at cases of hard core abuse they will see what the defense is laying out is rather far fetched, look for example at the Dugard (sp) case she was taken as a child, forced to live through horrid abuse, had 2 daughters by her abuser, and when found, her number one concern was to shield her children, another case is Eliz Smart.
As far as the P/C searches I do not see the search for shovels as something that is worth much interest.
The “how to make chloroform” searches are the most damning as they connect to the evidence in the case.
The household weapons & neck-breaking raise questions that a good defense attorney could easily explain away, and since we have no evidence that Caylee suffered any injuries such as a broken neck, they become puzzle pieces that while they fit into a time frame they do not offer any answers.
The only searches that offer meat are the chloroform and the early searches done on the name Zanida. (sp)
John, the tape had to be placed before death to prevent the jaw from relaxing.
After death the jaw bone would show it had been forced closed to the extent that in all probability would have broken.
When found the jaw was still in a closed position, thus showing the tape was not applied after death.
Also, lets not forget one simple fact in regard to the car, while George stated he indeed had keys to the car, and we all know he picked the car up from the tow yard.
BUT, Casey left the house on the 16th and was not seen again until the 24th, the car was in her control until it was picked up from Johnsons tow yard, so the thought that George or anyone else could have placed Caylee’s body in the trunk would have to be dismissed.
Judypc,
You said >> the tape had to be placed before death to prevent the jaw from relaxing.
But if Caylee drowned, couldn’t the tape have been placed directly following the drowning?
Regarding the car, it was parked next to a dumpster at the front of Tony’s apartment complex and not being used between 16th to 24th. Not in direct view of Tony’s apartment, I believe. What would stop George from coming by late at night, using the car to transport a decomposing body, then returning the car to its place by the dumpster?
there is no evidence Casey’s car was parked up front near a dumnpster at Tony’s..none, zero, nada..nobody has testified to that nor claimed it….
number 2 George did not know tony, never met him and did not know where he lived
and neither did Cindy know…
now this sick defense bs needs to cease….I suggest a counselor
RS,
Nope. The car was parked by the dumpster — fact. Deposition by the tow guy.
Um, so an ex-cop would be unable to tail Casey to Tony’s apartment. Interesting thought, but you are reaching there.
And don’t take George’s testimony as fact. No one (except Casey) can refute his ramblings since those were the only two present.
Hold onto that counsellors number. You may need it yourself before this is over.
There is no tow guy at tony’s apartment…no evidence, no testimony, nothing…
The only tow guy was the 30th of June at Amscot parking lot with casey having dumped the car there on the 27th of june
Now, seriously go get counseling for your delusions about this case
http://www.wftv.com/video/28041373/index.html
Love Love Love Bill Schaeffer (& Kathi)
OMG..I am all over the place again this evening. I ws following Hinky blog all day long and have been peeking in WFTV video from today. I would NEVER be able to watch it all after work (and before).
I am surprised George didn’t punch Jose in the face today. Not that I am becoming a fan of him or Cindy, LOL!
The “defense” they have come up with is hysterical ! What a crock of sh-t!
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Judypc said, on May 26, 2011 at 4:53 pm
OMG this is just funny, IRS has filed a tax lien against Casey, for 60+ thousand dollars, seems no one filed taxes on the 250 thousand she was paid for her photo’s that she paid Jose with.
Judy, that is just too much. LOL !!!
RS said, on May 26, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Well defense ship is sunk….their star witness just proffered no sex abuse by george, it was hitting by george, not sex abuse he was told by casey asnd will tell the jury that in the AM
I agree, RS. Laughable.
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No John, the tape had to be placed before death.
after the jurors left, defense attorney Cheney Mason said he would file a motion for a mistrial. Mason was not happy with the repetitive nature of the state’s questioning with regard to Casey’s demeanor in the month before Caylee Anthony was reported missing. After some contemplation, Judge Belvin Perry dismissed the motion.
Judge Perry called Casey’s ex-boyfriend back into the courtroom to talk about a secret Casey told him while they were dating.
Tony Lazzaro revealed that in late June or early July 2008, Casey told him her brother, Lee Anthony, sexually abused her.
According to Lazzaro, Casey said Lee tried to “feel her up” on her chest when she was younger.
Defense attorney Jose Baez also asked if Casey told Lazzaro about being sexually abused by her father, George Anthony. Lazzaro said no.
Though he recalled Casey mentioning that George “disciplined” her, he said that discipline only consisted of hitting.
John The area in the jaw that releases at death is the TM joint, the relaxation of the face at death causes the jaw to pull back.
I saw little of went on @ the trial today (video-wise) so greatly appreciate the exchange going on here.
To me the high point of the trial today was near the end Mason decided he was going to question the witness, he stood there like a cocky little rooster and tried his smart-ass bit, and the young man looked him in the eye and said,
“Thats an open ended question, if you want to ask me a real question, then I will answer you”
Mason looked like he was shocked that anyone would dare speak to him like that, then he put on his snotty bit, and the young man answered each of the stupid questions, then openly laughed at the old fool in his face, shook his head left the witness stand laughing.
This defense team had better start seeing themselves as everyone else sees them, they are not winning the hearts and minds of anyone.
Ok.
New theory. But it’s still accidental death (or manslaughter), not murder.
Assume Casey was mildly drugging Caylee to get her to sleep on cue at night or at nap time. Then she saw the Chloroform photo and thought it might be a quicker, more effective way to get her to sleep. It goes terribly wrong and Caylee dies of Asphyxia. Casey panicked knowing she would go to jail and tried to hide the body. Perhaps she duct taped the mouth to keep body fluids from leaking while she was in the trunk.
In Casey’s alternate world, she didn’t think mild drugging was harmful to Caylee. After all, most of the commercials on TeeVee are drug commercials — it’s the American way of life. At first, was she possibly using tiny doses of Xanax (with side effect of drowsiness) and thus the excuses that “Caylee was with Zanny the Nanny”? But I still think Casey, for all her faults, was a loving mother and didn’t intend to harm Caylee.
As for George, who knows if he was molesting Casey as a child. Granted since Casey is a serial liar, you really can’t trust most of what she says. But I don’t rule it out.
John, you are really trying! There are two other orifices that come to mind that were not taped. There are many people who believe the drugging gone bad theory, but I just don’t buy the duct tape to prevent leaking. Besides, as has been pointed out, the tape was put there before death.
I know you truly believe there just has to be an explanation other than that she killed her child in cold blood, but everything points to just that. The partying and tattoo are really hard to explain away. My sister believes like you do, that a loving mother could not/would not do that. But, my sister doesn’t live here, and has not been following this case at all. Those of us who have, feel she is guilty. It is what it is.
hattie catnip,
Here’s my problem with the State’s motive that “Caylee interfered with Casey’s party time so she snuffed her”.
It seems clear that George and Cindy were more than happy to watch Caylee anytime. George testified tat he loved spending time with her. So Casey had a free baby sitter whenever she wanted. And she appears as a loving mother in all the videos and photos. Everyone has testified she appeared to be a loving and attentive mother. So the leap from there to cold blooded killer is a big one for me.
On the duct tape, can you point me to the credentialed expert that says with 100% certianty that it had to be applied before death. I know folks are saying that here, but where does that come from? Whose deposition?
John, the report of the duct tape was in the autopsy report by Dr. G, released in discovery.
If we can believe everything we have heard about the Anthony family (and most of it has been documented) Casey was extremely jealous of Caylee and the love the grandparents had for Caylee, when all that love and attention used to belong the Casey. She did not want them to have her. They would have been happy to have full custody of the child, and at one point threatened to sue for legal custody. It would seem that Caylee was used as a pawn in a cat fight between Cindy and Casey.
Judypc said, on April 30, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Now, even if they do try to say “Accident” they “STILL” have mountains to climb in explaining the 31 days of ” stealing, boozing, screwing and tattooing.” and how a mother knowing her child was dead could find herself able to function let alone party.
They as well, will have to explain Duct tape, triple bagging, and dumping the body like trash.
And lets hear a good reason for those p/c searches done way before her child died.
Mountain’s that I just do not see them being able to climb.
It has always been my thought that Caylee died as a result of rage.
Casey & Cindy had the violent fight, Casey grabbed Caylee and left the house, Caylee was frightened, crying, calling for CECE!!
Casey pulled over, chloroformed her, duct taped her threw her in the trunk to silence her,
when she finally went to the trunk to check on the baby, she found a dead Caylee.
hattie catnip,
Thanks for that info — I did not know that about the custody snit. Sounds like we may hear testimony ahead about a crazy dysfunctional family. But then again, who besides Casey, George and Cindy will be available to testify about what was going on inside that house. I don’t know if I can believe any of them.
Dr G’s duct tape testimony will be key to proving murder by suffocation. The defense will of course try to dispute that finding. Maybe with its own experts? Will be interesting.
Judypc,
The ‘Rage’ theory is interesting. Would that be manslaughter or a lesser degree of murder?
If that’s what happened, Casey is really risking it all (possible death penalty) to try to get off scott free with the ‘drowned in the pool’ gambit. I wouldn’t put it past her. She is clearly a conniving little schemer.
Yes, John, it will be very interesting. And yes, it is hard to believe anything any of them say because they have contradicted themselves too many times.
There are so many things about this case that really grind my gears, but one of the most memorable to me is when Casey and Lee high-fived. In case you missed it, it was when Casey was on house arrest and had to make routine check ins. Casey and Lee ran into the building to get past reporters, then high-fived at their victory. Not exactly appropriate behavior for a loving mother with a missing (at that time) child.
hattie catnip,
Agreed. Most of Casey’s behavior after Caylee’s death (on June 16?) seems very inappropriate. You’d expect her to show some sadness — Unless she was highly pumped up on anti-depressent drugs. But still very troubling.
What is the most incriminating evidence against Casey Anthony?
Bizzare. This tow company manager says he definitely knows the difference between the odor of rotting food and body decomposition. Says he smelled a strong decomp odor in the Sunbird. And then he walks back to the office and never reports it. Huh?! Who doesn’t report dead body odor when they are sure they smelled it. Ha, Quite the model citizen.
Everyone please remember that in Florida if you DO NOT report your child missing and it’s later found dead, YOU GET DEATH…No and’s, if’s or but’s about it… You Die.
Doug Wollenburg,
If that’s true, why are they bothering with a trial?
I was wondering the same thing.
This tow company manager testimony raises some issues.
- Custody of the car was unknown while it sat at the Check Cashing lot for several days.
- George’s whereabouts during this time frame was never investigated by the cops. George had a key to the car. Did he know where the car was?
- Cops never checked George’s phone records. Did he have any calls with this tow company manager?
- So George (ex-Police detective) sees a trash bag with a pizza box, throws it out and assumes that was the cause of a decomp smell. Hmmm.
According to the tow company manager, he was the one who threw the bag away. He also said that no one gets in unless they are let in (I am pretty sure) and I don’t know for sure about this tow yard, but most of them have attack guard dogs at night – they don’t want people coming in and driving away with the cars without paying the fees.
hattie catnip,
Right, but the car was parked (abandoned) at the Check Cashing parking lot for several days. Did George know where it was? Cops did not investigate. Where are the parking lot camera video tapes — lost? Cops seem to have brushed it off.
Well, that’s very different, sorry, thought you mean the tow yard. The Amscot employee said the car never moved, and they never saw anyone near it, if I am not mistaken.
Yeah but is Amscot open 24X7? And even if it is, the car could have been taken by someone (possibly George) then returned to the same spot without being noticed. It was parked off to the side, not in direct view from Amscot unless you are standing in the front window.
John, not sure what happened. I remember there was discussion of several surveillance cameras, but didn’t hear if they reviewed the footage. Tell me again why you think George would want to take the car then return it?
If George had any involvement in storing or moving the body, he would not want DNA evidence in his own vehicle. So if he knew the Sunfire was at Amscot, he could have used the car then return it there.
My problem is the cops never investigated any threads in that direction. They gave George (ex-detective) a free pass from their investigation. Shoddy CSI/detective work to put it mildly.
An cops went to great pains to obtain and investigate videos Casey shopping trips. Yet here is this car, key evidence, parked in a lot for several days. And the prosecutor has no video tapes of comings and goings around this car. Shoddy police work.
Why would he want DNA evidence in his daughter’s car?
You could be right about the police investigations, but we really don’t know what they did or did not do. At that point in time, they had absolutely no reason to suspect George.
If George was involved, he could deflect attention away from himself by moving the body with Casey’s car.
Right, no hard evidence was collected on George either to clear him or to implicate him. Cops did not see fit to investigate him.
The whole idea of the plan to cover up the accident was so Casey wouldn’t get in trouble with her mother. I would think the ideal plan would be to not implicate either one of them.
I just hope that when this is all over, we will know the truth of exactly what happened. I am afraid that won’t happen.
hattie ,
You’re so Right. Exactly.
>> “I just hope that when this is all over, we will know the truth of exactly what happened.”
There are lots of people chomping at the bit to see this ‘bitch burned at the stake’.
I’m just asking questions that occur to me as I hear testimony. And if I’m asking these questions with no law enforcement background, why didn’t the cops ask them during their investigation.
You all know that odd feeling you get when you’re gut is saying something just isn’t right?
That little inner voice that sends up a red flag?
Well, I hope Jeff Ashton & LDB are listening to those warning signs, I hope they are meeting tonight and saying, something isn’t right, damned if I don’t think we are being put in a trick sack.
After todays events in court I am 99.9% convinced the state is being set up.
I’m coming out early and saying there is a lead balloon waiting to drop in that courtroom, and the Anthony clan is holding the string.
Judy,
I totally agree, state needs to keep a close eye and not be caught off guard
RS, imo they have already been caught off guard, todays testimony was beyond strange,
I am convinced the Anthony clan is up to no good.
Judy
Look at the blog I set up for us all…you will see I am toe to toe with you
and believe I beat you, not by much, but you in being first to say….
It was orchestrated IMO….giving key points for baez then to cross on, too combative and evasive when there need be none
Even if you were involved, it would not go the way it is, so something is wrong, very wrong
RS I do not have the addy could you please post it for me, thanks in advance.
I had the itchy feeling for a couple of days now, but after today I have no doubts.
Here it is
http://justiceforcaylee.wordpress.com/
Judypc, hattie Catnip: Are you referring to the discrepancy of testimonies btw GA and Simon B today? Please disclose your theories/remarks re: “The Anthony clan is up to no good.”
RS: I’m having tech difficulties accessing: http://justiceforcaylee.wordpress.com/ but probably on my end.
Virtualblu – I don’t remember making any comments re: The Anthony clan is up to no good. However, I don’t deny there is is a good possibility.
My apologies, hattie, I was referring to Judypc’s comments.
Defense says Caylee drowned on June 16. Car was abandoned much later and was out of gas.
virtual,
the link should take you to main page of the blog, then you have to click on
part 25 which is where we are now…
VirtualBlu:
I had my radar go off a couple of days ago, and today it went off the charts.
I have reservations about putting my reasons onto an open blog, I am not being a pratt on the matter, so please do not think I am, I just want to keep my thoughts a bit close to the vest at the moment.
Those that have blogged with me all these three long years know I bide my time and poke things a bit to see what might fall out.
Thank you, RS
judy,
I could say a lot more but neither will I at this time…
Truth is I hope what causes me to feel as I do is me being wrong…
Of George, I can say this, he did lose a granddaughter, has to testify for state in daughters murder case…..but more recent are these horrid, off the scale allegations he is a molester of his own daughter…
Maybe what I am seeing is he flat is forced to speak to and answer to the guy who just painted him a daughter molester, I would not want to look at never mind answer or draw on a board for a creep who did that to me….
Sascha – I think most of the theories that have been posted center on the fact that it is believed the body was moved around, (dogs hitting near pool, near playhouse, trunk. ..
So the time of the abandoned car is a moot point if they were hiding/moving the body.
Damn, this story is nothing short of macabre!
Call me hard headed, call me a fool, but I am standing firm the State had better keep their friends close and their enemies closer, the knife is setting firmly at their backs, and will be driven in, they better not blink.
What I think I am reading here is that Baez/Mason are setting up the prosecution for a mistrial and blaming it on them. That gives them a way out of this case without a loss on their record. Casey gets a court appointed attorney for the retrial and swings with the wind. I don’t think Baez cares any longer. This is his only way out imo.
George hasn’t been forthright and I suspect Cindy will be worse if a mistrial isn’t declared before she testifies. George may have manned up some but he is holding something back ie. his part in the cover-up.
Sorry about the q on my nic. Tired fingers.
Judy, have you ever seen a more disjointed trial, and I mean on both sides? Seems that the Pros is winging it and Def is throwing anything they can against the wall to cause doubt.
RS,
You said >> “It was orchestrated IMO….giving key points for baez then to cross on, too combative and evasive when there need be none”
Umm. So are you implying that Judge Perry is favoring the defense? UR kidding right? If anything, he is heavily favoring the prosecution allow tons of technical BS objections.
We just want to hear the truth come out , whatever that may be. Let them answer the damn questions.
Don’t worry, I’m moving on to another blog. This crowd has already convicted Casey and just want to see the bitch burn now. Later dude.
Why is it when defense BS does not float they get so snarky…LOL
the nanny didn’t float, kronk did it did not float
and this bizarre tale told opening won’t float either…
the gal is going down, will likely even get the death penalty…
And it is not the fault of the judge or state if defense keeps trying to ask about stuff not in evidence, or about which there has been no testimony
I think defense and it’s obvious hacks are just pitiful sore over the FACT that Tony L. was never told any “secret” about george being a molester….
For those that do not know, the 6 weeks ago Cindy spoke of ” she was looking for Zanny untill 6 weeks ago”
That was when Team Casey called the Anthony’s & their lawyer in and told them Caylee died on the 16th in the pool.
They also told them at that time they would be going after George & Lee.
Hi Judy,
I haven’t been able to watch today. Are they still sticking with the drowning scenario???
Where would I be able to watch the video from today’s session?
channel 23 HLN is doing a re-run of the trial today started @ 1pm.
for those that do not know it channel 6 is carrying the trial on their sister channel 463, & channel 13 is carrying the trial with no ad breaks.
Thanks Judy!
Well all of a sudden, some seem to be on the (give the Anthonys some love) train. Have we forgotten that George covered for Casey on the 16th, that George said, “yes that was pizza Cindy,” that George lied to LE, that Cindy gave the wrong hairbrush to LE, that Cindy lied to LE, that Cindy told everyone to get off their asses and go look for a live Caylee while they collected their blood money etc, etc, etc? No pass from me. They should have seen this coming but instead put their heads in the sand trying to portray themselves as the All American Family. They are as guilty of obstruction now as they were six weeks ago when the found out they were being thrown under the bus by their spiteful little b!tch. Now we should feel sorry for them? Not this grandfather of 8. No damn way.
Whoops:
You are right on target, and for all those things I do not think they deserve a pass.
I do however think Cindy had to swallow the very bitter pill of the truth 6 weeks ago, and reality has “FINALLY” seeped its way into her head.
She has turned 99.9 % of the population against her, including her family, supporting a lie, and been made to look not only foolish but out right stupid, she now must face the fact that her loving daughter is willing to send them all down the river just to save her own worthless hide, and she must be constantly wondering “What If” what if I had taken custody, what if I had made Casey accept responsibility for her actions, these what if’s will no doubt haunt her the rest of her life.
Get a pass on her actions, no, but given credit if she FINALLY steps up and defends Caylee and tells the truth, the whole truth, I will soften my opinion of her and give her that.
Granted she has a lot to answer for, all I will say at this point is, God forbid I should ever be in her shoes.
Judypc, that is a perfect answer to Whoops. I feel the same way, but you put it in words.
Don’t get me wrong. I am not as dispassionate as I sound. I will admit that I choked up a bit when Cindy looked at that empty bed. I could feel the pain any grandparent would feel under the same circumstances. If Cindy backs up George and George stays strong, that will as you say soften my view also. However, not to the extent that they shouldn’t be held accountable for not stepping up long ago, give Caylee her due and a decent final resting place. They will never redeem themselves totally.
Whoops:
Believe me, no one has been harder on the Anthony clan than I have been, from the very start, I took tons of heat for my views that they were deplorable people.
As yet, I am not willing to give them much wiggle room, and I will be the first to admit I still do not trust them much, but give them a small amount of wiggle I shall unless or until I see them revert back to their starting grounds, and if I’m being completely honest at this moment, George still has not gained much ground with me, I am very suspect of him, and of course we have yet to hear Cindy approach the golden hour of truth, the 911 call, how she handles that will be very telling.
“George still has not gained much ground with me, I am very suspect of him, and of course we have yet to hear Cindy approach the golden hour of truth, the 911 call, how she handles that will be very telling.”
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Nor I Judy, nor I. George was too smooth and controlled and he has much left to account for. Cindy, well Cindy was, let me say, loaded on something imo. Her golden hour will be very telling indeed, but I sense that she will implode on cross and the Prosecution isn’t even done with her yet. I don’t think she is equipped to go the distance without a major meltdown. Baez or Mason will have to handle her with kid gloves, but somehow I don’t think they will. They know they are behind the curve and will let it all hang out. Baez and Mason are pissed big time that Cindy turned on them. I don’t think either one can control themselves and will shoot themselves in the foot. I hate to say it but I think that a mistrial is in the offing in spite of Judge Perry revisiting Law 101 with Baez for the umpteenth time.
Whoops:
I have predicted the same, I do not think this jury will even warm the seats of the jury room.
Judge Perry I fear is going to have to put the hammer down hard on Jose’ & Mason, I think nothing short of sanctions is going to work on these two.
What is heaven’s name are you all talking about? Do we all like the former “scamanthoys?” — SINDY AND GEORGIE???? huh?? What is the DT doing that JP needs to “put the hammer down?” “Splain please.
The defense insisted that their table be moved, AWESOME, KC is facing the JURY, they get to see the spoiled brat fits we have watched since she murdered Caylee. KC’s latest FITS IN COURT, especially watching Cindy testyify, have been a bitch slap to KC & Baez. Baez appears to have had a gut full of KC, it’s BEYOND STUPID that Baez & KC overestimated what Cindy was willing to do for KC! As Valhall has said, “the numbers outweigh the one (KC.)” Did Baez/KC really think that trashing GA & LA would endear KC to CA? Cindy is salvaging what is left of her family & that doesn’t include their murdering daughter, the Anthony’s now know almost the full extent of everything KC has done, the timeline will complete everything else for them. Cindy walking past KC IGNORING that murdering BRAT just compounded KC’s anger! Someone on Hinky Meter has deaf parent’s that inteterpreted what KC had to say & it was all about ME! ME! ME! ME!
The INEXPERIENCED LAWYER that screwed himself & his client is in deep trouble IF KC doesn’t testify. READ HORNSBY’S EXPLANATION OF THE BULLCHIT BAEZ PUT OUT IN OPENING ARGUMENTS, THEN READ VALHALL’S QUESTION TO HORNSBY, you can see the can of worms the Baez has opened for the Defense & that was just on the first day.
It is rumored that DOT (DS) will do the cross on Cindy, Baez was made a complete fool of by GA, Analyst said GA led that cross examination, due to the inexperience of Baez he wasn’t prepared or experienced enough. This case can hardly be the case of the Century, in OJ’S case, there were experienced attorney’s, in KC’s case, she has a MORON for an attorney that continues to dig a deeper hole!
Can’t wait to read the MOTION that has been filed by Lippman!
http://blog.richardhornsby.com/
Art Tart, did that person on Hinkey say exactly what Casey said, or just that it was about Me me me?
I hope the jury is catching this, but I think? the jury was out of the room when she pitched her latest hissy fit.
hattie catnip, if I run across it again I will bring the link over, there are hundreds of posts being made now. One part she said was “she is going to support him!,” “she didn’t even look at me!”
It was incompetence imo, for Baez to think Cindy was going to support lies against GA or Lee! Seems Baez NEVER took the basic course in which they teach lawyer’s, “DON’t
ASK A QUESTION YOU DON”T KNOW THE ANSWER TO!” LOL, Jeff Ashton ask GA the question! It’s painful watching Baez, one of the attorney contributior’s at one of the sites called it a “cluster F—-!” NO! It wasn’t Hornsby!
Thanks, Art Tart. I could go look, but didn’t want to look if it wasn’t going to say more than it was about me, me,me. (everything she says is about me, me me)
Yes, I think people generally agree it is a cluster f. Part of the great appeal is waiting to see if these buffoons are going to get away with this.
Some points I feel the state missed when questions their witnesses so far.
(1) when they showed the jury the photo of Casey & Caylee in the bedroom I know their only thought was get into evidence the tee shirt with the big trouble logo, BUT they should have shown as well the photo’s taken earlier that show the party, the long table filled with booze and little Caylee being present.
(2) After Mallory made her (Amazing, Special relationship statement) & Jose’ ask her “was Caylee ever hungry, unkept?
The state should have come back with “Who provided the food, clothes, toys, and home for Caylee?”
Showing that Casey indeed did not provide these things, but rather her parents did.
I also think it may have been a mistake for the state not to have focused on the money taken from Cindy’s parents and that on the 15th there was at least a verbal exchange between herself & Casey.
If the defense goes to that night, it will appear the state was avoiding the issue & in some way protecting the Anthony’s, which Jose has already alluded to with his ” Mister Ashton can’t save you now” to George.
The state can not appear to be avoiding issues this family in fact had, better to get them out in the open and defuse the defense early on and not have the jury believe they are the ones cherry picking.
You all will find this VERY INTERESTING! Remember, KC told AMY she could be moving in & it has been referred to in trial thus far, READ THE LAST PARAGRAGH OF THIS ROUTER’S REPORT:
Says:
Several witnesses have testified that Casey told them she and a friend were planning to move into her parents’ home, which she said her parents were leaving.
In an email response to questions from Reuters, George and Cindy Anthony’s attorney said he didn’t know what Casey had in mind concerning her parents supposedly leaving their home.
“No they were not planning on moving out, and I have no idea about Casey’s plans other than her psychological report demonstrates she is deeply disturbed,” Mark Lippman said!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/27/us-crime-anthony-idUSTRE74Q03H20110527
Art it has already been alluded to that she may have been planing to kill her parents.
Judge Perry made a statement along this line, so the defense just may go there when explaining her P/C searches, that it was not Caylee she had thoughts of killing but it was perhaps her parents.
Apparently Reuter’s is going to report daily on trhe trial! EXCELLENT for us!
Here is another link, look at the right side & it has a post for every day!
Friends, little Caylee is going to get that Justice she deserves & we have prayed for!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/28/us-crime-anthony-idUSTRE74Q03H20110528
Thanks for that link, art tart
judypc, your right, we have known since the beginning of the case from Amy H that she was planning on moving in the ANT house & it was speculated at the beginning of the case if the ANT’s were next, so this isn’t new.
It is interesting that Lippman has been privy to the Psycv Eval, in which it states KC is disturbed. Of course, this could have been shared with Lippman from the STATE since the STATE put the Dr.’s on their witness list & wanted to make KC’s reports public. The Defense filed a motion against their attempt.
imo, I don’t think the Defense will claim KC was going to murder her parent’s or even thnking about it, IF this is what they have planned, they should have tried this in the beginning of the case when T Lenamon told them to consider delving into KC’s mental problems. That would also be “premeditated murder,” Kc certainly doesn’t need any more charges against her. imo, the Defense is so screwed up accusing kronk of having the remains, all the allegations agaisnt GA, surely they would not be stupid enough to introduce yet another theory into the mix that ONLY KC can verify! KC is the ONLY person that can promote or tell these stories OR it wll be pointed out in closing arguments that Baez promised the jurors what he would show & they didn’t.
It wouldn’t surprise me if baez/mason were brainstorming today a completely NEW defense since the one they are promoting is going to fail miserably.
Just went to Hinky – Art tart, you are a girl!!! Val mentioned in her post a couple of things Casey said, but that wasn’t all. You are right – there are too many posts to go over all of them. I used to read and contribute there – (I do love Val’s site) but because of the volume of posts and how long it took to catch up, I stopped going there so often.
Art, I really hate to offer theory because I hate to give defense pointers lol, and I think they search the blogs for idea’s.
But, lets say in theory you were told “my client made those searches to learn how to protect herself from a person abusing her”
That she was planning to fight back, using what ever means she could.
Do you see how that could paint a whole different story?
Setting here reviewing what we had heard this week I had this thought hang in my mind, and I have to wonder if it has crossed through team Casey’s as well.
In the event of a mis-trial, there will be no bomb shells for them to drop, no surprise, no shock value, the state & the Anthony clan will have 100 percent clarity as to what to expect.
And in that knowing, will use their time wisely and be even more ready to attack, not only will they face off with the state, they will as well be faced with battle lines drawn by the lawyers in charge of protecting The Anthony’s & Roy Kronk.
As I stated yesterday Mister Lippman appears to have had a belly full of the defense B.S. and his motion in common terms will be one of “Put the hell up, or SHUT the hell up”
And lets face it, team Casey is not prepared to fight the fight, they have to give proffer to their claims and dare I say no such proffer exist, other than the supposed word of their client a proven liar.
Now, I would as well expect Mister Kronk’s lawyer to file a like motion, thus forcing this fly-by-night defense teams backs to the wall in that hallowed room of justice.
Their bomb shell defense will then be reduced to a fizzle, and will lay upon the floor at their feet as a reminder of what their future will be long after this case is over and they must look at the ruins of their career and will be able to pin-point the exact moment all went up in flames.
The echo’es from that courtroom and the whispers of a murdered child will indeed follow them, justice will not be denied the lady’s scales will not be tilted, she will not stand silent while everything she stands for is toyed with.
Lady justice is a force to be reckoned with, she is tempered with mercy, but does not suffer fools lightly, she is unyielding to those that do not respect her, that would dare offend her, and make no mistake, she has been offended.
judypc, I see what you are saying, good in sight as always!
I’ve been trying in vain to keep on top of all of the posts here. My question is this: do we know what Lee’s stance is vs the rest of the family? Does KC still regard him as being her ally?
VirtualBlu:
One can only assume Lee will do as the rest of the family has, tell the truth and tell his story.
I expect his cross from team Casey to be along the same lines they have taken with George, I as well expect them to HAMMER him on his ” I will keep our secret” statement made at Caylees memorial service.
Jose’ will insist that secret is sexual abuse, but he had better tread lightly on his push.
What if that secret is Casey in fact told him how Caylee died and where the body was?”
If that ever happened as some suspect it did, this case will be over, defense may as well say UNCLE fold their brief cases up and go home.
As well, if Lee does have a secret that Casey was in fact abused, then I’m sorry it needs to be told.
Abuse does not in my mind give her a get out of jail free card, but if this sickness was taking place, then that person as well needs to answer for their actions.
“What if that secret is Casey in fact told him how Caylee died and where the body was?”
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If Casey did in fact divulge this to Lee; I would imagine his sleep would be deprived & punctuated with constant nightmares.
At the end of the day — I truly hope the A’s “do the right thing” for CAYLEE’S sake. Only the Truth will set Caylee free and maybe, perhaps, that family will sleep with fewer nightmare’s.
Virtualblu – Lee can easily avoid that by saying CMA is Caylee (if you are talking about what Lee said at the memorial)
hattie,
from what I gather, during the memorial, Lee was referring to Casey as “CMA”…but frankly, this confuses me.
Virtual, I think I can safely say that we were ALL confused. Cindy, Caylee and Casey are all CMA. It was a memorial for Caylee, so he SHOULD have been speaking to and about Caylee, but since CMA is interchangeable, and most of us thought it was ridiculous for a 2 year old to have shared a secret with him, and since he has such a close (almost unnatural) connection to Casey, he was getting a message across to her, using little Caylee as a smokescreen. He was aware that KC had been granted permission to watch the memorial, so he was secretly messaging her. I still believe he can say the message was for Caylee.
This case has just gone past beyond ridiculous in terms of twists and plots. Can’t wait for Lee to take the witness stand. One of my theories is that maybe Casey even planned to kill her parents — as she’s often telling her friends, the house would be hers soon.
Does Florida have the “three strikes” law? Casey is a 6X felon, shouldn’t she already be facing life? But what do I know, I’m just a simple country boy.
Doug,
The Florida Three Strikes Law: The accused has been convicted of a violent felony twice before.
The present offense is a violent felony (i.e., arson, sexual battery, robbery, kidnapping, murder, etc.).
Casey wouldn’t qualify for it.
An inteesting article, discusses that Baez is going to have to put KC on the stand to tell her story! What a mess!
http://www.detnews.com/article/20110530/NATION/105300310/1020/nation/Mom-may-testify-in-Fla.-child-murder-case
According to Hornsby’s latest article, the Defense can’t make allegations against someone, GA, & have nothng to back it up. KC will have to testify to whatever she tells.
Lippman has filed a MOTION as well as the STATE, it may be to FORCE Baez to put KC on the stand. Hornsby said the STATE should have filed the MOTION immediately, but it may be that Lippman has filed the MOTION, IF Lippman fails, the STATE can then file the MOTION, that is, if it is not the same MOTION they are filing.
Lowiers. Low-ee-ers. That’s my new name for Baez and Cheney. Do you like it? Normally I wouldn’t show such disrespect to the noble profession, but had there been this “Casey molestation” by either George or Lee and this defense team had even a scrap of evidence to support it, I’d bet my house that it would have been most loudly proclaimed, and not only in the court to get Casey out of this 1st degree murder charge, but on every nationally syndicated talk show in the country!
Judy, I absolutely agree that if this molestation happened, it needs to be addressed, but as it is, Baez and Mason have been touting this “secret” from the near the very beginning, or for at least two years! “I’ll explain it all at trial!” he’s said and he isn’t alone. Baden has stated the same. I don’t recall Lyon ever making such a statement, however, but she has ever refuted it, and as far as I know (Mr. Schaeffer PLEASE respond to this!) this tale they are spinning, presents a crime that they were/are required, by law, to bring to the attention of the State Attorney’s office, and that is one straw they would NOT have failed to draw from the bunch they are grasping at now if there were any truth to it at all! In my opinion it’s a downright lie meant to sway the mind of even a single juror, and that’s all.
The game they’re playing is downright dirty, making them as dirty as Casey, and I hope they’re held to task for it! I’d so like to see Baez disbarred, not that it would matter much to him after all of this is over. He still stands to make an easy few hundred grand selling the books he’s probably already writing, which takes from the time he should be taking to know the law! Lowier.
I went away for a few days, so have spent the last two catching up and am no less than appalled, and though generally opposed to the death penalty, I’d rather they were studied than hanged, I won’t lose any sleep or shed a tear should this broad be sentenced to death. She destroys everyone she comes in contact with, and the only time she cries is when she thinks she might be failing in the attempt.
Good comments, one and all!
I love Jokin Jose’s logic
My client is a liar!
She has been trained to lie all of her life, and the ONLY time she has EVER told the truth in her lying LIFE is about molestation by her dad, the accidental death of her child, and her father helping to cover it up?
Autumn said, on May 30, 2011 at 7:01 am
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And you factually KNOW everything … how?
Caylee drowned early in the day on the 16th, later in the early evening, 4 or 5 hours later we see her at Block Buster with her boyfriend renting video’s, holding hands, snuggled up arm in arm as though the most horrible thing that a mother could ever have happen, didn’t happen in her world.
How can anyone accept or make sense of that?
How does one logically arrive at believing, that a loving, caring mother could wipe that vision from her mind and simply act as if nothing had happened?
Dare I say, had even a stranger been witness to such a tragic accident you would be so effected that you would not be renting movies in just a few short hours.
Consider this, “If” Casey is lying about the sexual abuse, her entire family is still ruined.
Even if this is dis-proven on behalf of George, there will always be some who will believe, it will follow the family like the plague throughout the rest of their lives.
Casey has in effect destroyed her entire family.
The road ahead will be an interesting one. I’m glad that the trial doesn’t start up again until tomorrow b/c I’ll be productive @ my job for a change!
Beyond Belief. said, on May 30, 2011 at 7:38 am
Autumn said, on May 30, 2011 at 7:01 am
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And you factually KNOW everything … how?
Where, exactly, in any part of my comment do I come any where near implying that I factually “know” everything?
Factually speaking, I expect Mr. Schaeffer to know near everything and so requested that he answer but one of my many questions.
What is it about the comment that offends you so? My use of the word “Lowier”? You put such stock into what the defense is presenting that you are offended? Let me tell you something, perchance you are one among those who support Casey’s innocence; if, in fact, any of the allegations the defense is now making are in anyway true and can be substantiated with evidence of the same, THEY have done their CLIENT a very GRAVE DISSERVICE in not bringing it before the court LONG AGO in an effort to help exonerate their client of this first degree murder charge, and leaving her to rot in a jail cell for the passed three years!
Autumn said, on May 30, 2011 at 8:33 am
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Bill, as wise as he might be cannot know everything — only the lawyers active on the case do know.
The STATE has filed a MOTION In Limine about Baez trying to get the “sexual molestation” in by having other’s testify. This isn’t going to fly!
It is NOT a fact that the Sexual Molestation ever happened, it was introduced in Baez’s Opening Statement, BUT what Attorney’s say in Opening does NOT make them fact, the facts of the case are revealed through testimony EXCEPT when Baez has alleged the sexual molestation, there were only two people there, KC & GA or LA. GA has denied it as will LA.
The STATE wants this in evidence for Baez to probe or ask questions pertaining to the Molestation. ONLY KC can take the stand & testify to what Baez is alleging, but he is not going to get it in any other way.
Every analyst I have seen from Judge Pirro this weekend to ABC’s contributor’s NG & Dan Abram’s, as well as the contributor for THE TODAY SHOW today, have all said KC is going to HAVE TO TAKE THE STAND, there is NO WAY around it! ALL are critical that the Defense has to prove NOTHING, but the MORONIC Baez spewed a competing theory in his Opening Statement & he will NEED to prove his theory to the Defense for them to think Baez has any credibility! Idiot!
Is it the STATE — or Lippman — the Anthony’s attorney who filed the motion? And, so what is the big deal if Casey testifys — she should.
BAW! Beyond Belief! What do the defense attorneys know other than whatever truths or lies passed off as truths, their clients tell them? CASEY alone knows, and the evidence alone will SHOW, or otherwise cut like a two edged sword separating the fact from the fiction, the truth from the lies, so that in the end there will be justice for Caylee!
But of course the defense does so well know now that their client is nothing less than a bold faced liar, and everything they thought they knew, considered truth, and built her defense upon has been shattered.
Beyond:
I know Lippman filed the motion but I haven’t heard the State has as yet, would also expect that Kronks lawyer will at some point file one as well.
And I agree 100% Casey should take the stand face questions and be forced to answer.
Just a little poll question..
If Casey takes the stand, who do you want to see question her, Linda or Jeff?
I must admit I’m leaning more toward Jeff Ashton, BUT we have not yet seen if Linda is part pit-bull……
Judy, as I understand it, and correct me if I’m mistaken, it’s still up to Casey as to whether she will testify, isn’t it? Or can the judge order her to do so?
Guess we could hope they both take a whack at her!!!!
Autumn No one can force her to take the stand, it is all up to her.
ok, so in mid 09 there is no claim george is the molester, or helper by Baez…in fact he says penalty phase if she is convicted to show affect this has had on the family
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/24321817/detail.html
Anthony’s father, George Anthony, was found at a Daytona Beach motel in January 2009 after threatening to commit suicide.
Casey Anthony’s lead attorney, Jose Baez, told Local 6 News that his team is investigating the incident and could use what’s discovered in the death penalty phase of Casey Anthony’s murder trial, if she’s found guilty.
Baez said George Anthony’s suicide attempt may convince a jury to spare his client’s life because it shows how Caylee’s death has affected the family.
Baez said he plans to prove Casey Anthony’s innocence, but added that he must prepare for the worst-case scenario.
I am one of those that believes she will take the stand, I think she believes she can pull it off, she is so convinced she is “such a good liar” that she will pull it off.
I honestly do not think a team of wild horse’s could keep her from her moment in the sun.
RS:
One of the people I am looking forward to taking the stand is Dominick Casey, if you read the released doc’s from him he was laying this foundation long ago.
Now, what I am wondering is who put the bug in his ear, was it Casey herself, or Jose’?
Judy, I agree.
Autumn ask:
Is it the STATE — or Lippman — the Anthony’s attorney who filed the motion? And, so what is the big deal if Casey testifys — she should.
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Lippman has filed a MOTION but the STATE Attorney’s are filing a MOTION IN LIMINE. Richard Hornsby breaks all this down where it is easy to understand.
Autumn, the big deal is that Baez casn’t make such claims of Sexual Abuse WITHOUT introducing some type of evidence that would make this a fact or a person testify to it as they see it as fact.
Baez has been reprimanded more than once by Judge P that “something wasn’t already admitted into evidence so he couldn’t ask his question.” BECAUSE Baez claiims KC was sexually abused, he continued to accuse her father as if fact, IT IS NOT FACT, to continue this line of questioning Baez will have to put KC on the STAND to testify to her allegatioins, thus that is why the MOTIONS are being filed to FORCE Baez’s hand & more importantly, to keep from accusing someone of this crime without evidence. Something the Defense is reluctant to do, ONLY KC can tell her bullchit story, ONLY the STATE will rip it apart.
Judge Eaton said today BECAUASE this was never reported, so long ago, it’s gonna be tough if KC is the ONLY person to claim this.
Judypc, Jeff A brought it up to Judge P on Thursday, A MOTION in LEMINE, Baez pissed & moaned it was too late, Judge P told Ashton to put it in writing & he would decide if it was too late.
Thinker, at Webslueth has the conversation, I will post it here.
judypc, Thinker from WebSlueth’s shared this:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showth … 922&page=6
BY ThinkTank
The State DID file a Motion in Limine and it was GRANTED.
The State mentioned this matter in open court on Thursday May 27, 2011, and the Judge GRANTED it in open court the next day Friday May 28, 2011 (even though there is nothing on the Clerk’s docket – yet)
Trial Thursday May 26, 2011
Ashton – we have motion in limine, was going to file in writing – ask court require defendant to proffer questions, before they elicit hearsay statements of defendant, so we don’t have questions and objections all the time
Judge now or in the morning 8:30?
Baez – motion in limine in middle of trial? certainly past your deadline
Ashton – based on conduct of counsel in trial
Judge – file motion, I decide if it’s timely and go from there
Trial Friday May 27, 2011
State’s motion in limine
LDB – statements from witnesses w/o proffer to court as to admissibility of info in the question
counsel has been asking witnesses things that the defendant may or may not have said to them, clear violation of evidence code, exceptions for hearsay
causes us repeatedly, once the question is out, to object to this type of … detrimental to our position in front of the jury
we are not asking that you prohibit the question, asking that counsel be ordered to proffer any time he wants to ask question about defendant’s hearsay
Baez – untimely motion, perfect timing for prosecution, parading witnesses… now preclude that might hurt their prosecution, smart and strategical move, limits cross exam based on….
defense, there are topics that are sensitive in nature, come close to being objectionable, limiting our cross exam clearly obstructs truth finding process, issues that ….
don’t need advance notice what witness testify to, not a scripted event, not know what witness testify to or change once take stand, require proffer, allow state witness to give prosecutor advance preview of what cross exam is going to be, defense prejudiced, the state has been impermissibly been allowed to introduce…
we have theory of defense, right to explore it, have witnesses on the spot and ask specific questions, if objection to question, prosecution capable of objecting, not require us stopping, preferring, and giving them advance notice of what asked of particular witness
Judge – Ch 90 FL evidence code, framework was evidence is admissible, , must meet requirement of ch 90, this motion deals with attempts by defense to elicit statements by defendant from other witnesses, those under evidence code self serving, when attempted by the defense, basically 3 exceptions to that, not go into may permit some of these. Under those 3, foundation requirements must be asked before those questions asked, as of yet no attempt to establish those foundational requirements, not admissible , State motion in limine statements of defendant be proffered will be granted
Art Tart,
thanks for the response, but I didn’t ask the question. To wit: lol
Beyond Belief said, on May 30, 2011 at 9:02 am
Is it the STATE — or Lippman — the Anthony’s attorney who filed the motion? And, so what is the big deal if Casey testifys — she should.
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Did you catch that, Belief?
I do appreciate it though because I haven’t read at Richard Hornsby’s site in a while, and so am shooting over there now.
Thought filled and most appreciative Memorial Day to one and all.
Oh and heLL yeah Casey should testify! If Baez is to hold on to even the smallest morsel of credibullity – I mean – credibility, she’s going to have to, and I for one can’t wait!
Autumn, lol, sorry, I don’t know if my head is going to implode or explode with all this information!
Hornsby posted a comment the other night on the Hinky Meter & he stated he & Lippman are personal friends, they had worked together early in their careers & Hornsby has high regards for Lippman. Hornsby is the one that tipped Lippman off on the case that Lippman filed on the sequestration for GA & CA, that article too is on his blog siting the statute.
Thanks Art, I knew State had filed “something” but had not heard what as yet, I expect Kronks lawyer to follow suit and do so as well.
State’s motion was an oral motion, argued and was addressed by Perry already…
Art: Lippman went so far as to say Thank You to Hornsby in one of his interviews for giving him the heads up, you know you have to think about how different this case would have been with Hornsby or Sheaffer at the defense table?
although it seems I recall Bill saying early on he would not have taken this case
That right there shows he is one of the sharper tacks in the box.
Judy! Oh my garsh! Hornsby or Schaeffer at the defense table? Can you imagine?
ArtTart, when all of this is over, I’m going to allow my head the privilege of turning into a marshmellow.
evening guys,
I agree, where we would we be without Hornsby & Sheaffer, though their styles are different, both are excellent at keeping us updated & splainin the facts in the case.
judypc, no I didn’t realize that Lippman thanked Hornsby but how cool to have a network of attorney friends to give you a head’s up sometimes.
Lippman’s MOTION was this: He filed as Lee’s Attorney requesting for Lee to attend the trial daily with GA/CA! I was a little surprised since LA has kept such low profile, but, imo, the ANT’s need to digest everything & then after the trial, they wiill start the grieving process all over again.
What does everyone think, EXACTLY what pissed KC off so badly at CA? imo, it was that Baez & KC overplayed their hand, they thought CA would LIE at any cost to save KC, even throwing GA under the bus, BUT, I think CA is salvaging what is left of her family & finally realizing what a POS she has for a daughter.
Link to: Mr. Sheaffer’s Analysis, weekly re-cap, & article on Lippman filing MOTION on Lee’s behalf! (I am going to start screaming & not stop of Mr. Giggles wears those TUBESOCKS into Court!)
http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/28074159/detail.html
While glossing over the comments here over the day, someone noted this link to websleuths:
http://www.acandyrose.com/casey_anthony_31days.htm.
This may not offer any new info/details to many of you who have followed since day # 1. but I found it a treasure trove.
One more sleep!
Well, I am very disappointed that the motion was only to add Lee, I really thought he would file something with some real meat to it.
Beyond Belief said, on May 30, 2011 at 9:02 am
Is it the STATE — or Lippman — the Anthony’s attorney who filed the motion? And, so what is the big deal if Casey testifys — she should.
The big deal if casey testifies is that the state attorneys will slaughter her on the stand. She has zero credibility. If she were to testify that the latest defense theory (abuse/drowning) is true, then her own written statement would nullify anything she says on the stand, and vice versa.
Personally, I think casey is just arrogant enough to take the stand in her own defense, against the advice of counsel. I kinda hope she does. I need a good laugh.
Agreed, Mix @8:41. I do sincerely hope that Casey does take the stand and comes eye to eye with Linda Brains Burdick. She will be shredded in a most professional and deadly manner.
the Nurse of Decomp is waffaling about the smell in the car! CA, DON’T LET CAYLEE down!
Maybe she is just trying to keep from being in trouble about her previous testimony. I hope Burdick gets it straight for us and the jury.
My biggest let down today was once Jose opened the door as to who stood to profit from Caylees death and he brought up the 20 thousand Cindy & George had taken, I wanted Linda to come back with “How much was Casey paid?” and who profited from the 1/4 mil?
I haven’t rec’d any new comments or posts since yesterday. I check this blog daily from work. Am I required to post a response in order for the thread to continue?
judy
State cannot do that unless Casey takes the stand…
and Baez wrong about 911 cal and IMO SAO missed opp to clarify with cindy george sure did have a reaction….it was to tell cindy to dial 911….SAO should have played more from point Baez stopped and asked cindy
Minute mark 1 minute 46 seconds Cindy answers George
http://www.wftv.com/video/16980866/index.html
“I’m on the phone with them”…
so it isn’t as if george is not interested or had no reaction as baez claimed, he told cindy to call 911 and she let’s him know she is on the phone with them…if that is not a serious reaction or from one NOT trying to hide something I don’t know what is
OK, ya’ll know where Jose is going with all this baby daddy stuff don’t you?
He is going to drop the biggest bomb yet, he is going to say the big secret was George thought he was Caylees father, I would bet money on it.
RS, I really think the open door may be at play with that subject as well.
Jose ask “Who profited from Caylees death?”
So, he himself brought the subject matter to the table.
The problem with Jose’s theory that Casey invented and lived in this fantasy land is once again the time frame in which it seems to have taken place.
While it is true that an abuse victim does lie, cover up and invent an alternative truth for themselves it happen during the time frame the abuse is occurring, not 15 years after the abuse.
By all accounts and by what was gleaned in testimony Casey began her fantasy life after the birth of Caylee, and after she wanted to have more freedom.
Only when she needed an option, after growing tired of denying herself those nights out because there was no one to baby set did she invent this fantasy life, a rich man that would support her, a job, and a nanny, all came in handy when she needed a good excuse.
Judy:
OK, ya’ll know where Jose is going with all this baby daddy stuff don’t you?
He is going to drop the biggest bomb yet, he is going to say the big secret was George thought he was Caylees father, I would bet money on it.
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Personally, I don’t believe the “theory” that GA abused KC, at all, ever. If this does come to pass — what EVIDENCE could JB provide the court? I haven’t watched “The Young & The Restless” for 20 odd years but may have to revisit…
What a heart wrenching day for Cindy, George and Lee, huh? Does everyone agree that Lee really needs to be there, for his own sake, since he’s been accused, as much as a show of support for George and Cindy! I hope Casey is getting a great big knot smack in the pit of her stomach seeing this newfound solidarity between members of her family, FOR THE SAKE OF CAYLEE! I also hope it won’t be short lived!
VirtualBlu, I agree with you completely! There was no emotional trama that caused this (I can’t think of a single decent name to call her, Casey, right now) bad behaviors, which are on display even in the courtroom! She was spoiled to the core, imho, and the whole family is paying for that now, and Caylee with her life! The only evidence JB could possibly produce wouldn’t be any real evidence at all since he can’t produce anything but Little Miss Lying Panties, Casey herself, and I don’t care how hard she’d cry or how innocent she’d look, this jury woudn’t buy it, not after all they’ve heard, thus far!
Please, oh Please tell me that Baez didn’t receive his license to practice law in the State of Florida! Tell me it came as a prize found at the bottom of a box of Cracker Jacks!
VirtualBlu:
Jose’ is not real clear on proof, or evidence, but he is real good at dropping hint’s and half ass’ed maybe’s.
Those who are wondering about Jose Baez…….in my own opinion, he is lower, slimier and dirtier than any snake-in-the-grass lawyer I’ve witnessed in 30+ years. As for Mason? He’s having “fun” by controlling the “naughty-puppet” strings of shyster Baez, all while “safely” (he thinks) hiding out in the background. I’m not saying Baez doesn’t deserve his very own new, shiny disbarment paperwork from Florida…..I just think Mason happens to be party to A LOT of what Baez has (and will) do in this travesty of a defense. As far as Cindy goes, I used to be quite critical of her behavior…….but I admittedly wept for her today. Her devastation was raw and real. I think that life with Casey from her very early teens onward was likely nightmarish for Cindy and George. Poor darling Caylee became Casey’s ultimate victim…..sadly. I’m having a very hard time with the handful of Casey-supporters I see on “certain blogs”. Blaming Cindy and George 100% for Casey’s obvious (to me) personality-disordered issues is really “reaching”, IMO. They are not perfect parents (no one is) and when it comes to all of this—There but for the grace of God go I.
For what it’s worth—I am glad Lee is in the courtroom now. He appears to be the “rock” for George and Cindy. I pray he truly stands up for CAYLEE in his upcoming testimony. I honestly believe that the crazy Baez opening-statement fiasco (a.k.a. “cluster-duck 2011″) will fall flat on its face. ZERO credibility at issue here!!
Like Mr. Sheaffer stated in an interview last week………(paraphrasing) I was never convinced this was a death-penalty case, but it sure is NOW!!
A critical motion is to be argumed in the morning, Baez has illicited testimony from Cindy as to what KC said, ONLY KC can testify. Grave consequences are attached to such behavior, what it means is that IF the STATE wins the MOTION, they can introduce PRIOR BAD ACTS of KC, a convicted Felon X 6.
Though we would love to see KC testify, Baez is trying to get testimony in throuygh other means, IF he could be sucessful KC wouldn’t need to take the stand. His lack of experience is glaring, this is a MAJOR screw up.
An attorney that comments at the Hinky Meter, here is her explanation as to what happened.
Silversprn shared:
With respect to the first issue of business for tomorrow morning:
I have now reviewed Florida law on the issue regarding the admissibility of Casey’s prior convictions.
Here is the short answer for those of you who are not interested in the details of the law.
Baez opened the door for the state to admit Casey’s prior FELONY convictions into evidence WHEN HE SOUGHT TO INTRODUCE EXCULPATORY HEARSAY STATEMENTS FROM CASEY INTO EVIDENCE today THROUGH ANOTHER WITNESS (i.e. through CINDY and not through Casey herself).
You see, if Casey were to take the stand and testify about what SHE had said –or even done– during the relevant time period in order to offer exculpatory evidence to the jury, there is another Rule which would then permit the State to impeach her CREDIBILITY by introducing the evidence of her prior convictions.
Here is that rule:
90.610 Conviction of certain crimes as impeachment.
(1) A party may attack the credibility of any witness, including an accused, by evidence that the witness has been convicted of a crime if the crime was punishable by death or imprisonment in excess of 1 year under the law under which the witness was convicted, or if the crime involved dishonesty or a false statement regardless of the punishment, with the following exceptions:
(a) Evidence of any such conviction is inadmissible in a civil trial if it is so remote in time as to have no bearing on the present character of the witness.
(b) Evidence of juvenile adjudications are inadmissible under this subsection.
(2) The pendency of an appeal or the granting of a pardon relating to such crime does not render evidence of the conviction from which the appeal was taken or for which the pardon was granted inadmissible. Evidence of the pendency of the appeal is admissible.
(3) Nothing in this section affects the admissibility of evidence under s. 90.404 or s. 90.608.
That Rule leaves criminal defendants who have prior convictions meeting those requirements in a sticky situation if they elect to take the stand in their own defense, because they are subject to have their credibility and their PROPENSITY for TRUTHFULNESS attacked/impeached by the State’s introduction of the FACT of the prior conviction(s). (Here, we have a defendant who has SIX PRIOR CONVICTIONS the jury would hear about).
So what criminal defendants in this position often opt to do is to NOT TESTIFY in order to keep the evidence of those prior convictions out of the case.
Now, this certainly doesn’t mean that their attorney does not defend the case and cross examine the state’s witnesses and offer his/her own witnesses in order to refute the state’s claims.
But the KIND of testimony the attorney elicits from these other witnesses in order to defend the case can OPEN THE DOOR to having the prior convictions marching right on in, regardless of whether or not the defendant actually takes the stand, because there is ANOTHER Florida Rule of Evidence which comes into play:
90.806 Attacking and supporting credibility of declarant.
(1) When a hearsay statement has been admitted in evidence, credibility of the declarant may be attacked and, if attacked, may be supported by any evidence that would be admissible for those purposes if the declarant had testified as a witness. Evidence of a statement or conduct by the declarant at any time inconsistent with the declarant’s hearsay statement is admissible, regardless of whether or not the declarant has been afforded an opportunity to deny or explain it.
(2) If the party against whom a hearsay statement has been admitted calls the declarant as a witness, the party is entitled to examine the declarant on the statement as if under cross-examination.
SO…
When Baez elicited CASEY’S HEARSAY STATEMENTS through Cindy Anthony, he opened the door to allow the state to ATTACK CASEY’S CREDIBILITY AS THOUGH SHE HAD TAKEN THE STAND HERSELF.
(which brings us back to the previous rule, allowing the state to attack her credibility with evidence of those prior convictions).
Now-
Just because there is a rule does not mean it is not subject to interpretation and argument, which then means that it will be subject to judicial interpretation (initially at the trial level, and then likely at the appellate level if the trial judge makes a ruling which is a basis for appeal in the event the defendant in that case is, in fact, convicted).
Judge Perry was reminding the parties of this fact when he cautioned them to review the key cases and to make certain they address the potential pitfalls in the existing case law when they argue their positions before him tomorrow morning.
Of note-
He cited the Higgins case (where the Florida Supreme Court agreed with the trial judge’s ruling permitting the prosecutor to admit evidence of the defendant in that case’s prior convictions –even though that defendant did not take the stand– but where that defendant’s lawyer elicited that defendant’s hearsay statements through another witness).
BTW?
The judge who permitted the introduction of the prior convictions in the Higgins case?
The Honorable Belvin Perry.
Oh. And the prosecutor?
Mr. Jeff Ashton.
Now-
I have not taken enough time to carefully review the opinion and I believe the judge mentioned either the dissenting opinion in this case or perhaps even another he referenced, so I am just giving a basic layout of the statutory rules of evidence at play.
If I have time to get into more detail–and it would assist those who are interested here to learn more–I will supplement this post.
Hope this helped clear things up.
art tart,
It would have helped clear things up if Silversprn had quoted the proper case. Case of The State of Florida vs John Steven Huggins not “Higgins”.
For those who wish to research the Huggins case, here is a link: http://www.wfsu.org/gavel2gavel/transcript/96216.htm
Fabulous blog. Definitely one of the best. Keep ‘em coming.
WOW! What a day yesterday was. And last week!
How many of US believe, that Baez/Mason BELIEVE Caseys’ story of Caylee-drowned-George-made-her-cover-it-up ? George once said that Casey “taked things as far as she can…and then piles on more”. This NEW story/defense takes that statement to the nth degree!
Of course, The “Kronk-moved-the-body-around” story is all Jose.
And while I think Jose is a POS for this defense strategy/lie, it is Casey who’s “story” is being told. Itis Casey who, knowing a Nanny would never be found came up with this story. If Baez, the big A-hole that he is, thought this nonsense would creat reasonable doubt, certainly blew it. If he/Casey stopped at a drowing story, his murdering client may have been able to put some reasonable doubt in the juries mind. Bue Casey adding George into the mix…sealed her fate.
This is another case of the “abuse excuse”. When, in fact, she is just your run of the mill liar, who lied to make herself look like she “had it going on” like her friends and who
wanted to do what she wanted to do and when she wanted to do it, but Caylee got in the way.
I WANT to believe that C&G ONLY six weeks ago realized that there WAS no Nanny, but I think in their hearts they knew longer than six weeks ago. Seeing their pain, last week and yesterday….FINALLY they are seeing the truth as we have all seen.
I had tears running down my face watching video of Cindy last night after work, even though I followed along with the trial happenings on The Hinky Meter all day and didn’t think I would have that reaction.
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Soooo, what foolish things will Jose do today? LOL!
One more thing:
CRAIG: PLEASE start a new page or something. It takes toooooo loooon to load due to so many comments and video posted here. And it messes up my computer!!!!
HA! Linda Kenney Baden on Today show still shilling for the defense!
First of all, GROUP HUG!!! I think we all need one.
Gracie said, on May 31, 2011 at 11:05 pm
For what it’s worth? Just thinking about Lee having to sit outside the courtroom, watching all of this unfold as are we all, and feeling so helpless when his mother broke down and his father sat accused, is heart breaking, so I and many others agree, wholeheartedly, with every word you said!
Judy, lol.
I certainly hope JP allows the felony convictions ciome in. I tend to think that he’s trying hard not to, though he will follow the absolute letter of the law in deciding this matter. I expect Mason to argue this, but one never knows. Like Casey, Baez does not want to share stardom. They are indeed, Casey and Baez, two birds of one feather, two peas in a pod. It’s most disgusting to watch.
Thanks for the link, Whoops and for the post art tart. I don’t know that I want to read about how some dude shaved off his pubic hair, but maybe I can just skim over that part. lmao
George, Cindy, Lee, should any of you ever read here, this one’s for you:
For Caylee, for Lee, for one another, I hope you can find your way through this. In order to do that though, you know, you’re going to have to accept the truth about all that is Casey.
Terrific comments here….and very insightful/smart posters!! Thank You!
If I am not mistaken, the defense really needs to put their “star liar” on the witness stand. If Casey does not provide testimony as to the “abuse” (cough, cough) then Baez loses any last tiny shred of credibility he *might* have with the jury.
Legal Eagles: What do you think??? Does Casey have to take the stand? I must admit I would thoroughly enjoy Linda Drane Burdick (my favorite) give Casey the dressing-down of a lifetime. I truly believe Casey’s head would likely explode with rage. Yuck………but I’d be glued to the cross-examination like a train-wreck-watching voyeur!
Blessings to all and extra prayers for Miss Caylee Sunshine this evening.
I agree with you, Gracie, and it’s my opinion that kc is just arrogant enough to take the stand even against her attys’ advice. Personally, it’s something I would like to see happen. Not that I would believe a word from that lying mouth of hers, but it would tickle me pink to see the state rip her to shreds on the stand.
Shee-ooot, Mixologist and Gracie! At this point, even pathological liar like Casey would do a better job of defending herself than Baez and Co. is at this point, don’t you think?
For as long as I live I’ll never forget Baez standing there all pompous like and asking, (okay so I forgot his wording exactly) “Didn’t Casey tell you that she committed suciide?” It still cracks me up! He, Baez, just stood there so all full of himself, waiting for an answer! It had to be like the longest two seconds of his entire life. Too bad he missed them not having realized the blunder until after the fact! Oh my stars! You really can’t make this stuff up!
Oh and Mix, there are only 5 words you can expect Casey to speak truthfully, “Hi. My name’s Casey Anthony!” Oh she’ll testify alright, if she has any say in the matter! She’s going to have to out do Amy and get her two minutes at side bar, you watch! This is her party and she’s the star!
Seriously speaking, however, at this point I’m not at all certain it’s not actually part of the defense plan to put Casey on the stand where she’ll pretend to be battier than a loon, and maybe even suffer a seizure or two. Maybe she’ll even turn to the judge and tell him she can take him to Juliet Louis. They’re building a defense on this matter of PTSD resulting from childhood abuse I think, however indirectly, and the best performance yet might be the one they are preparing Casey to perform before the jury. MOO
Yay! I got to use the term! MOO!
What do you guys think?
Sleep well. Justice is coming.
Autumn, I would be completely shocked if I hear “The defense calls Casey Anthony to the stand”…
But, I really don’t believe she would have the nerve to do it. MOO!!!! LOL
Althought I would LOVE to see it!
OK, can’t wait to see what laughs Jose Baez aka Bozo has for us today! (Man, he really is giving Bozo the Clown a bad name ~ He has RUINED my childhood memories of Bozo the clown!
Linda, I really, really hope that Baez is reprimanded by the FL Bar when this is all over, and perhaps disbarred.
The attorney for the Anthonys was just interviewed on In Session. Near the end of his comments he was asked his opinion of how Jose Baez has conducted this case. His response was that the Florida Bar Rules prevent attorneys from making disparaging comments about other attorneys and that he would therefor reserve his comments until the day Mr. Baez is no longer a member of the Bar.
Wow.
My problem with Mr. Baez has always been that he is NOT representing the best interests of his client. If he were, he would have impressed upon his client the foolhardiness of pursuing this course of action that is almost guaranteed to end in a death sentence.
There can be no point to continuing this case, other than feeding his own narcissistic, self-promoting interests.
Autumn and Linda – As much as I’d love to see Casey take the stand, I don’t think it’s gonna happen. As soon as the State starts grilling her she’ll throw Jose under the bus. He could never prep her enough to be sure of what will come out of her mouth.
What we’re seeing from today’s jail tapes is that the Abuse Excuse defense came along only recently. Jose listened to lie after lie from her until she came up with a story he thought he could run with, and locked it in. But Casey could switch out real fast in cross examination. It is not beneath her to say this was all his idea. He’ll never let her testify.
Smarty – I totally agree that he should not let Casey testify, but if she wants to testify, can he stop her? He is clearly dealing with a loose cannon, and if she stood up and said “I want to speak”, wouldn’t she be allowed?
SmartyPants, Picture it! Casey Anthony’s called to the stand only to blame Baez for his complete incompetence, to which he counters, “See! Didn’t I tell you she was a bold faced liar!”
I’m still not convinced she wouldn’t want to take the stand. She certainly didn’t hesitate to meet LE head on and take Yuri and Allen on that wild goose chase, and they had guns! (lol) I just think she’s that brazen, and all the more so having seen her literally glare in the direction of the jury, as though she doesn’t give a damn what they think!
You’re no doubt right, though, about Baez. He’d best just keep her quietly sitting there twirling her hair and fussing with her bra strap, if he knows what’s good for him. She’s brought down greater men! I guess that’s not saying much, now, is it?
By the way Smarty, you’re spot on in saying, “There can be no point to continuing this case, other than feeding his own narcissistic, self-promoting interests.”
That and the fact that he isn’t allowed to quit.
Hi, Hattie! Even as Linda said I think we’ll all be surprised if Casey’s called to the stand but, I also think the defense has made it impossible for her not to. They’ve made some pretty serious allegations regarding George’s involvement in the drowning and the molestations and I don’t know how they’re going to substantiate all of that as being even remotely factual without allowing her to, or making her, tell her side of the story, now that even they, the defense, has made her out to be such a liar.
MR. SCHAEFFER could you help us out here, PLEASE?
Looks like Lord Baez has disabled all the links to his lies on his website…hmmmmmm.
Yes, Casey can insist on testifying, regardless of any protestations from Baez. But did I hear correctly this morning that the Judge gets the last word on this? She will be deposed next week, and Jg. Perry will read her depo and decide whether or not he will LET her testify? Wow. I’m with Bill; things are happening in this trial that I’ve never seen before!
I know Baez can’t quit, but he can at least stop this farce, enter a guilty plea for LWOP. I think the team could convince her that this jury WANTS to put her on Death Row. He could save her life, and save face, if he stops the bleeding NOW. He can’t be deaf about what other attorneys are saying about this despicable defense.
Smartypants, I could be wrong, but I believe the judge was talking about depo’ing the psych evaluator, not Casey, since JB wants to introduce an expert to explain Casey’s actions.
Thanks Hattie. I watch the live stream and jump between 2 TV channels. Now if I get a port-a-potty, hot plate, and small refrig., I could sit right here all day and not be missing these things.
I know what you mean, Smarty! And the fact that there is a delay on some stations does not help.
Is there a trial video of GA being questioned by Defense concerning his alleged “abuse” of KC? I haven’t been able to find one.
Virtual – Unless I missed it, no, Jose didn’t even touch on that in cross examination, after that sleazy opening argument. There was much discussion about his underwhelming cross, with some saying he’s waiting for his case in chief. All the Ants are on the Defense Witness List, so I guess we’ll just have to wait til after the State rests to watch Jose step on his own you-know-what as he starts calling Defense witnesses.
SmartyPants
Re: port-a-potty, hot plate, and small refrig. LOL!
I’m totally with you on that
Dr. Vass’s anthropology dissertation has been archived @ http://tinyurl.com/drvass
For those that have followed Baez SINCE he was denied a license to practice law for 8 yrs., seems the National Media has finally been alerted to the scumbag he is. Seems he has been exposed, awesome!
Baez REFUSED to return calls for an interview, must have been hard for this MEDIA whore!
http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey-anthony-trial-defense-attorney-jose-baez/story?id=13784113
Art Tart – Thanks for not mincing words; can’t tell you how refreshing that is. Haven’t clicked on your link yet, but if the article lists every sleazy, fraudulent, amoral thing he’s done since leaving law school, I expect it to be a long one.
It just galls me to hear commentators say what a great opening argument he had. He’s had 3 years to practice and look what he comes out with. If you follow the sharper pundits it sounds like the Florida Bar Assn. is gonna bitch-slap that moronic smirk off his face and take back that license they never should have given him in the first place.
Gonna click on your link and see if ABC really knows the depth of this guy’s depravity.
Thanks for that link about Baez, Art Tart. That made my day. Glad the word is getting out about that sleazy lawyer.
What a sad day, what was left of Caylee’s remains are being shown to the jury, Tot Mom is gougng the side of of her eyes to force tears of some sort, then she has to ALWAYS look at the tissue to see if she was sucessful, but are they tears she got caught because imo, I don’t believe they are tears for Caylee, there were no tears for Caylee as KC bumped & grind at Fuson or spent the day in bed w/Tony L. She makes me sick.
K Belich confirmed that the Anthonby’s are not in the Courtroom today, certainly understandable, there have been many hard days for them & there will be many hard days to come.
.Well. Sarah Bernhardt just headed for her fainting couch. And with that, Jg. Perry ended the trial for today
I almost started this post to voice my supreme satisfaction with the fact that this in-your-face testimony and graffic exhibits are forcing this Defendant – at long last – to face the truth of the horrific evil she has done.
That was a fleeting moment of satisfaction before reality set in: this person is a psychopath, an evil, narcissistic, self satisfying monster, without a shred of guilt or sorrow in her. I hope the State follows up with all those pictures of skulls she downloaded to her photobucket – and while little Caylee was decomposing in the swamp just down the street
That little display we just witnessed was strictly for the jury and the cameras. It’s born of a frustration that these mean prosecutors are saying all these terrible things about her – and she’s finding that all this BS that always worked so well on Cindy – and Baez – is falling flat on people in the real world. She wants to throw a temper tantrum, but now she sees how her last hissy fit played in the press, and is modifying her reactions, i.e., faking sadness. Psychopaths are nothing if not fast learners; shrewed, cunning, ever observant predators, constantly thinking of how to manipulate every situation to their advantage.
I just had to remind myself and others of that before I have to hear any bleeding-heart pundits on every news channel, telling us Casey was overcome with sorrow. PUL-LEEEEEZ. Too little, too late. The time to play the grieving mother was, uh, before all the bump-and-grind at Fusion?
SmartyPants said, on June 9, 2011 at 3:32 pm
I completely agree. Far too little and way too late! She had no issue bagging her daughter and tossing he decaying body in the woods so now it is time to see the end result of her efforts
Suck it up Casey, your days on the outside are numbered
ITA, SmartyPants. kc’s “illness” was a complete theatrical production. Did anyone else notice that the inmate refused to even look at the photos? She knows what she’s done, if in fact the “illness” is real, it’s her realization that she’s completely screwed now.
Smartypants – your 3:32 post was great. Exactly how I feel!
Kim said, on June 9, 2011 at 3:50 pm
“Suck it up Casey, your days on the outside are numbered”
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Kim ..what are you talking about? Casey hasn’t been ON THE OUTSIDE for 3 years!
Hazaka, the difference is, KC will be shipped to Lowelll Correctional Prison, probably for the rest of her life, which is NOT air conditioned & that’s the least of it. KC has been in Court for some type of failed MOTION by Baez for the last 2 1/2 years. All that will stop once the trial is over, she will have a Court Appointed Attorney for Appeals, she will rarely leave Lowell Correctional for anything. She willl fade away without the public attention she is used to, she will be like Darlie Routier, Susan Smith, Scott Peterson or Diane Downs. When KC calls GA/CA for money for her snack account, I hope they tell the murderer to kiss their ass. I hope I never see a more self absorbed POS murderer the rest of my life, to blame George & Kronk is beyond, imo, the lowest bullchit I have ever seen and Baez is being called incompetent everywhere! I wonder is Mason is having FUN yet?
Pat Brown says: DON’T WASTE YOUR TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT’S WRONG WITH KC!
http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2011/06/is-only-one-word-for-casey-anthony.html
Great comment, SmartyPants!
I was only able to watch the trial up to: they deliberating as to whether or not Dr. Michael Warren’s ‘video’ was admissible.
Also, I was wondering if any ‘lip readers’ have posted to translate what KC said to her attorney’s when this debate was going on.
Virtual – I missed a lot today also. I like to drop in on Websleuths and get their take on what happened. They are so sharp over there – and funny as he!!. Here’s some of what KC was saying around 4pm:
referring to prosecutor: She needs to stop looking at me!
referring to pic superimposed on skull: This is stupid. And few minutes later: No, I don’t want to look!
And a little later: They don’t have sh!t.
The ‘sleuthers were mostly riffing on Jose today, like : Oh, Gaaawd, not the wrinkled Pictionary pad again! Jeeez, where did the $200K go??? He can’t afford anything a little more hi-tech?? I bet his crayons are the ones that smell like fruit. Can’t this guy even spell “mandible” correctly??? Look at Bozo trying to talk computers; he can’t even fix his OWN web page. Did I just hear him object to the objection??
Here’s a quote from Lionel Putz’ cross examination today: ” Now, when someone is alive, the hair is on top. Right?”
As one of the ‘sleuthers opined: This guy must be an under cover prosecutor; why the he!! does he keep harping on the duct tape? If KC did nothing wrong, leave it alone; he’s just reinforcing this in the jurors’ minds.
And, to quote another: Oh, she is so freakin CAUGHT.
OK, ‘Blu, you’re all caught up.
Thanks, Smarty <3 <3
Since the trial has started I have been watching Casey, and now again hearing the evidence I have to say I think Casey is far more disturbed than I first thought.
I am convinced her intentions were to kill her whole family, with the exception of maybe Lee.
In viewing the p/c searches with a fresh approach, seeing her reactions in court to her parents, I truly believe George & Cindy dodged a bullet.
I have seen a true darkness in her eyes, I honestly believe she has no true emotions or care for anyone other than herself, there is a void in her expressions, a blank stare that reflects nothing, no heart, no feelings of remorse, her only regret is she was caught, caught before she could in fact fulfill her plans, caught and trapped in a room full of people that are daring to hold her responsible, when she broke down the other day in court it was her feeling helpless and needing to test the water to see if she could gain control, and she did, in her mind she won the day.
The one scary thought is that this dark entity could walk free, this women is a danger to others, her family, and anyone else she deems has crossed her,Casey is as close to pure evil as Satan himself.
judy,
put her image next to one of several of Ted Bundy, same blank in the eye look
no question in my mind she intended to get rid of George and Cindy too, hence telling Amy and tony she was getting the house
And notice how quiet the equally disturbed defense hacks have been…every lie they spun on behalf of defense
was killed in the Baez opening they didn’t get the memo to stop trying to paint kronk as murderer, or some drug king pin connection or a nanny
Baez and those associated with defense sealed her doom when they came out with any scenario
which directly states to jury Casey was directly involved in contact with dead body, that is an admission,
then next her car as transport, and the manner of death per ME homicide, not accident, homicide
What state is doing now is just icing on the cake……
Even if the jury buys the defense’s whopper (fat chance), the jury will look at what ultimately happened to Caylee, and they will blame Casey for it – it was in her hands to prevent this atrocity.
Jury won’t buy defense story because defense cannot make it work…caylee would have to be purging decomp matter
for the dogs to hit in backyard,that takes a full day to 2 minimum in hot environment so their new story will be george
hung on to the body for a couple of days, in order for the defense story to work..
jury will never buy that body hung around that house for Cindy to find it, which after all was whole reason given by baez in his 3rd world opener for all this, hide this from cindy……
Bottom line – it doesn’t matter how the defense slices it, or what spin they try to put on it, all paths lead right back to Casey.
Art Tart – Once again, thanks for another great link; good article on the psychopathic mind. And the scariest part of the disorder is that there is no cure.
This article touched on the possibility of a genetic component, which is something that has bothered me about this case from day one: What is wrong with Cindy Anthony and why did she just make my flesh crawl right from the first news clip I watched 3 years ago. I just can’t get on board with all the sympathy she garnered with her trial testimony; she was STILL lieing – except this time she was lieing for the Good Guys. I believe unequivocally that if it weren’t for Cindy, little Caylee would be alive today.
And the only flickering moments of sympathy I’ve felt for Casey in all of this is when I think, my god, what possible chance did she ever have of developing normally with that sick, controlling psychopath for a mother. Whatever Casey is, Cindy created her – and then did NOTHING to protect poor, innocent little Caylee from her.
Cindy cried more on the witness stand, when she was forced to listen to her 911 calls ( that she denied until the evidence was released ) than anyone EVER saw her cry for Caylee.
I thank God – and lousy lawyering – that society will be protected from Casey when this is over. But maybe someone should have protected her from Cindy a long time ago.
Judypc, I am going to respectfully disagree with you about Casey’s intent to off George and Cindy. How would you expect her to kill two grown adults, dispose of them and then come up with a reason as to why they are missing or dead. Casey doesn’t have the physical size nor the intellectual quotient to pull that off. As far as her being dangerous as some have alluded to, I seriously doubt it she is more a danger to anyone but herself. She obviously couldn’t pull off the murder of her 34 month old child, Do you really think that she was up for the much larger challenge?
Sorry, let me edit my above remark to say that Casey is more a danger to herself than anyone.
It’s occurring to me that, because the State is putting on such a clean, tight case – and because Baez has helped so much – I don’t think we’re gonna get the answers to some of the mysteries that I’ve waited 3 years to hear.
I mean, forget about how Caylee died; Casey is not on this planet, so that’s something we’ll never know – even if she’s water-boarded or tasered to death. We’ll never know.
But some of the things I would still like to know are:
- Where was Casey putting Caylee when she was telling people she was with the Nanny?
- Is Casey the real Zenaida? Did she have a fake license in that name?
- How did she get the real ZFG info from Sawgrass?
- What caused that plumbing emergency the night of 6/30/08? Did the plumber find Caylee’s blue dress blocking the pipes?
- What was in all those KC/Cindy texts that were never released?
- Are KC’s fingerprints on the duct tape?
- What do KC’s psych evals say about her?
- Why isn’t Lee working?
- Is he EVER going to marry his fiance? and be a father to their baby?
- What will Baez’s in camera explanation be about where the $$$ was coming from??
If anyone has answers to any of the above, inquiring minds want to know.
SmartyPants, I don’t know if you are a new poster here or and older one who has changed your suit or dress. However, I have to agree that “maybe someone should have protected her from Cindy a long time ago”. IMO Cynthia Anthony was the driving force that created this horrific circumstance. I give her no pass and she can hang her head on that stand, cry crocodile tears and have a damn heart attack for all I care. That courtroom display was only for her and the shame on her part, for not only creating the psychopath but allowing her behavior that led up to the demise of her only grandchild. She knows she is responsible and then to add insult to injury she covered up for her recalcitrant daughter. Yea I would cry too if I had screwed up that badly raising one of my daughters.
And let me say I take George out of the equation because he is nothing but a sniveling wimp of a so-called man who didn’t have the balls to rein in his wife when he should have. I would love to b!tch slap that sorry excuse into reality. No pass for him either.
I pray when this is over that Burdick and Ashton go after the Anthonys with a ton of bricks. They need to do some time for the cover up of Caylee’s murder.
Whoops – LMFAO ! It’s so nice that SOMEone shares my thoughts on the Ants.
Yeah, new here; didn’t even know Bill had a blog – but I’ve loved him ever since this started. And Kathy, too, of course.
BTW – George’s ba!!s are still in Cindy’s purse. They’ve been there for a long time now. But one thing I will give him – he loved that little girl. About the only time I’ve cried is when I first heard the neighbors say he used to wheel her around the ‘hood in a little red wagon. He just had a pure, selfless love for that baby., no strings attached.
You’re right, Cindy can blubber all she wants now, but, just like her Bad Seed – too little, too late. She smelled death in that car, washed Casey’s clothes,sprayed some Febreeze, and went back to work. Then beat up and maligned anyone who wasn’t buying into her fantasy. Her perfect Casey was Mother Of The Year! Employee Of The Month! A Wonderful Mother! That’s all we saw for 3 years instead of tears for Caylee.
You reap what you sew, Cindy.
Yes, I would so love to see all of them charged with State AND Federal felonies, but I have a feeling this is how the State finally got them to change their tune – like cooperate OR ELSE. You see how carefully they’re questioning them.
If Baez had even one brain in that fat, empty head of his, he would have thrown Cindy under the bus instead of George – that
everyone could have easily bought.
Do not mistake I do not give George & Cindy a pass in all this, I think over the past 3 years I have voiced my opinions loud and clear on the family unit.
Whoops, strength is not required to commit murder, and I didn’t say she was smart enough to get away with it, just that imo she was planning it.
She could have come home from her invisible job one day and called 911 reporting her dead parents and missing child.
In her world she would have really had that beautiful life then.
On another subject, did you all note the look on her face today when pic’s of her bedroom were shown?
Bet she would have loved to crawl into that bed tonight rather than the iron cot.
Sooooooo, if fatboy Jose knew Caylee “accidentally drowned” on June 16th, why was he, as late as Dec 9th, claiming on national television that “CAYLEE WAS STILL ALIVE”?
December 9, 2008
“Baez was on The Today Show on Tuesday morning where he continued to say Casey is innocent. He claims Caylee is still alive…”
http://www.wftv.com/news/18236722/detail.html
Why is not more of the media exposing this disgusting sham of our judicial system and exposing Jose’s LIES?
Where is Kathy B. when we need her? Expose this Bill!
Sooooooo, if fatboy Jose knew Caylee “accidentally drowned” on June 16th, why was he, as late as Dec 9th, claiming on national television that “CAYLEE WAS STILL ALIVE”?
December 9, 2008
“Baez was on The Today Show on Tuesday morning where he continued to say Casey is innocent. He claims Caylee is still alive…”
http://www.wftv.com/news/18236722/detail.html
Why is not more of the media exposing this disgusting sham of our judicial system and exposing Jose’s LIES?
Where is Kathy B. when we need her? Expose this Bill!
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Karen he was also slamming LE saying they were not looking for Caylee, he had a list of all the tips & sightings and they were refusing to even look at them because they had made up their mind that she was dead.
He pitched a fit wanting the video from the mall, and said LE would not help him get it.
All this while “KNOWING” she was dead.
How come defense did not place a chair in court for Zany to sit on..I mean she must be there right?
Goodness knows Casey must have had to go to her dark place to deal with all the bone finds, so where is Zany’s chair?
Is she sitting in Baez lap or Mason’s lap?
Judypc,
A must read if you haven’t already seen it. I am not a fan of Dr. Glass but her latest post hammers it home about George and Cindy.
http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/
I found this horrifying drawing of Caylee’s skull by Dave Knechel posted at the Orlando Magazine.
http://i54.tinypic.com/20saohz.jpg
I was outraged by this!!!
How disrespectful to her memory to publish this pitiful drawing in such poor taste.
SHAME on The Orlando Magazine for printing such a blatant low budget mockery of a beautiful murdered child.
That creep has no boundaries and Orlando Magazine should hang their head in shame for allowing this to be published.
If it bothers you, why read there? You obviously haven’t read at the Caylee Daily within the past few days or you’d have seen more macabre photos there than a drawing of a skull.
SM are you sheeple follower of Knechel, one of his sock puppets that have no opinion that differ from that slime?
I obviously will read where I want, got that sister? The Caylee Daily is not in the same class as that repulsive pig drawing skulls like a freaky high school outcast, claiming that being in court is the same 9/11 or a moon walk. Sheesh, do you people ever get it?
Actually, I don’t read at Orlando Mag because I don’t like Knechel. I’m just curious. If you don’t like him, why read there? Simple question. You must be one of the jerkoffs that post over at BaB.
OMG! that is repulsive!
Judypc – I happen to agree with you 100% – Casey had every intention of offing George and Cindy. In fact, do you remember last week when Jeff Ashton was arguing to admit Casey’s texts about taking over the house. Jg Perry was disinclined to let that in and says: Well, what’s your point? that she was gonna kill her parents too??
BINGO, Judge!! I thought that would be the quote of the day! I know Ashton had to bite his tongue on that one.
Casey likes living in her fantasy world, her parallel universe of her own design. God help anyone who interferes with that.
I’m so glad Bozo is too stupid to see that. The day is coming when he will be just so much wreckage in Casey’s path of destruction.
Suzy Homemaker- you sound like the jerk off
To Outraged: Bite me.
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing”
SuzyHomemaker and Smartypants are the same sock puppet posting this morning.
We are? Wow are you misinformed.
Well then, bite me again as Suzy Homemaker!
LOL SmartyPants…I wish these BaBblers would just go away. I think it’s one of those instances where you “don’t shit where you eat” though.
So what if I post as two names? Bite me biotch!
I suggest we all just ignore Outraged. She obviously has a lot of unresolved anger issues and, rather than seek help, she prefers to float around cyber-space, spreading her venom, looking for a fight, hoping to bring everyone down to her miserable level.
Let’s not feed her sickness. Just ignore her. That’ll make her even more angry. BWAHHHHHHAHAHAHAHA.
Wow, you are a weirdo with a foul mouth SM
I agree with you, SmartyPants. He/she just wants to incite discord here.
Of course you agree with yourself in sock puppet form!
speaking of Caylee’s skull or bones..here are pics including Caylee’s bones, and even a pic of skull with actual Caylee face…
on the subject of the bald guy who draws..serioulsy nobody cares at all except it seems those who want to comment on him and those who want to defend him..so take it elsewhere…
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/casey-anthony-trial/os-caylee-anthony-crime-scene-photos,0,1630574.photogallery
Agreed, RS. Mind you, I am not defending anyone, per se. I just don’t understand why a drawing would be any more gruesome than the actual photos of Caylee’s little bones. I have even seen her entire skeleton, minus some foot bones, and the hair mat. IMO, that is way more upsetting than seeing a drawing. It would just be nice not to have the Dave Knechel anti-fan club posting their crap over here. They have their own site for that.
RS,
You are so right, nobody cares…!
Thanks for being the voice of reason and posting those links.
Suzy, you have made your point now STFU
ALL of it is CREEPY
Since we were mentioned several times, here is the link for any lost Babbers to come home!
http://davekneckel.com
Hi Whoops, as I said you will never hear me give George & Cindy a skate, yes they were in that home and yes they created not only what Casey became, but the environment that resulted in the death of Caylee.
They Indeed obstructed justice, lied, accepted blood money, destroyed evidence, and that is just the short list.
That being said, I still believe Casey was planning on killing them as well.
Okay to build my case that she was planning on killing George & Cindy too.
P/C search” Chloroform Inhalation” “death by inhalation” ” Injection”
What would a heavy soaked rag in the air duct by or above their bed result in?
P/C search “Household weapons”& “Shovel” “Ruptured spleen” Internal Bleeding” “Chest Injuries” Head Injuries” “Neck Breaking”
Once someone is knocked out, if you beat them with a shovel, what type of injuries would you expect to see?
RS Thanks for the link. I personally see no disrespect to Caylee in either posting or viewing the State’s evidence.The child was murdered, and the forensic evidence is a necessary part of seeing that Justice is done. It is the process by which we honor her memory, not disrespect it. If the jury has a right to see it, then so do we, because we care, and not for gruesome reasons.
If anyone wants to see Gruesome, go look at the skulls Casey downloaded to her photobucket while Caylee was decomposing in the swamp where she dumped her.
Ah, Judy my dear, I think that thou dost wax a bit histrionic here. Do you honestly believe that Casey could or would have been able to off both her parents; and get away with it? I think not and here is why. In order to accomplish this wouldn’t she have to do away with Lee as well and then maybe Mallory. You know keep it sanitary and take no prisoners. A 5′ 2″, 110 lb young woman? Sure she could, I suppose, douse the heating vents with Chloroform and knock them out, beat them to death and then what? How does she dispose of or justify that her parents are missing? Wait for 31 days and call 911 after coming back home and say that the Nanny must have gotten revenge for reporting her to the police? Certainly I jest.
Judy, what I think you have here is fodder for a good fictional novel, at best. I just can’t wrap my cranium around your hypothesis. (pun intended)
.Whoops, she didn’t exactly get away with murdering Caylee. Judy didn’t say she had a fool proof plan, just saying she thinks that is what the psychopath had running through the windmills of her mind.
“Once someone is knocked out, if you beat them with a shovel, what type of injuries would you expect to see?”
Judy, exactly what you said in your above comment. “Ruptured spleen” Internal Bleeding” “Chest Injuries” Head Injuries” In other words Blunt Force Trauma resulting in severe injury or even death. I doubt seriously that Casey has or had the stomach for such a physical act. Oh, and by the way, once she had them knocked out with chloroform through the heating vents, how would she be able to get back in the house and beat them to death without the chloroform knocking her out as well. Think it through young lady, because you have not convinced me yet that was her plan, nor will we ever know. You see, we never saw a PC search for gas masks now did we? So if that is what Casey was planning she forgot a key element in her searches. Now that would have bolstered your hypothetical.
Whoa! who let the trolls in??
Heres a thought. Just talk about the case and ignore everything else.. Geez enough of the BS already.
Whoops a couple of years ago a 9 or 10 year old boy offed his.
Oh, and you would not need a gas mask, one of those mask used in health care would do.
Whoops I never said or thought she was a master mind, just that imo she had planned to kill her parents, I just happen to be one of those that does not think she would be searching for weapons to murder a 2 1/2 year old child.
That kind of plotting would however be needed to kill a larger, stronger target.
Why do I get emails that say “no reply from jbmission.com? and I cant stop it?
You need to opt out either in the email itself or email JB and ask her to uncheck your
Notify me of follow-up comments via email or log out from your WP, Twitter or Facebook Log in.
Whoops, that’s what I thought but it only seems to happen when I get a notice from here about a new comment or post. Very weird.
Test. Comments not going through.
Beast,
I know this may sound rudimentary but have you deleted your WordPress.com and thejbmission.wordpress.com cookies to see if that gets rid of it?
Yes have searched everywhere and cannot find it. Just hovering mouse pointer over the email notice from here that shows up. Driving me nutz cant stop it
Beast,
Also delete the billsheaffer.wordpress.com cookie as well.
Lots of food for thought here that causes me to wonder if Casey could have searched for weapons and self defense in the event she would have to defend herself, if caught in the act of murdering Caylee? Might this also account for the barrage of phone calls she made on the 16th, to be certain George and Cindy were at work?
Of course I believe she thought about knocking them all off at least a thousand times, so she could go about her “happily ever after” or “bella vita”, but even Casey would have had to accept the hard cold fact that there was no way she could maintain that house! The girl is not only downright lazy, she was flat busted broke and it wouldn’t have served her well to cut off her meal tickets. She’s a narcissist, and in my opinion, in her twisted little mind she already ruled the roost and George and Cindy were an asset only in that they continued to serve her and her narcissistic supply. (Remember all of the “sweethearts and honeys and beautifuls” spoken to her by George and Cindy while she sat in jail for the disappearance of her daughter?) If this weren’t so how would she ever have been able to run up $40,000 in credit card bills with no repercussions? There were credit cards that belonged to Cindy in Casey’s purse the night Caylee was reported missing, besides!
She came and went and did as she pleased and no one said next to squat to her until Caylee went missing. The desperation of Cindy to find Caylee would have added to Casey’s envy of her little girl, and furthered her hatred in that once again it became “all about Caylee”. I think this is reflected in her tone of voice when she’s talking to the 911 operator, however controlled an anger it was, she sounded quite perturbed and angry, to me. Her plan to be rid of Caylee so that once again all that was in her world would be all her’s, failed and miserably. JMO
Wow, Whoops, you’re amazingly computer literate, which is a whole lot more than I can say for myself, but, Beast, I don’t know what browser you’re using, but clear all of your cookies in all and opt to save none and to delete history on exit. In IE go to your history settings and make sure the top box is not checked. In Google Chrome under content settings, under history tools, select do not allow any site to show pop-ups. I can’t tell you what you might do under Mozilla. It’s the main browser I use and I have it set not to save anything ever never nor allow any pop-ups. You might also open your Java file and delete the cookies directly from that, as well. Hope this helps too.
Bill, the word is especially not “expecially”. Please, pronounce the word correctly, especially (not “expecially”) if you must use it so often.
Thank you
JH said, on June 13, 2011 at 10:48 am
————————– YUP —- and there are whole lot of word pronounciation to school JP about!
JH, instead of criticizing Bill Sheaffer about his pronunciation of certain words, you might want to thank him for his excellent commentary during the trial on WFTV. No need for the diction police here.
ITA, Whoops. Bill is doing a great service, and he should be commended, rather than insulted about something as minor as word pronunciation.
Just my humble opinion, but it is bad manners to go into someone’s house and criticize their decor or their food. Bet JH doesn’t get invited out much. Bill certainly is doing a great service – I appreciate his opinion on how the case is going, and providing a forum for those who want to discuss the case (as well as the trolls who feel the need to be validated
)
“I will take it that I cannot trust one thing your side says anymore,” Perry told Mason.”
In a heated sidebar yesterday Judge Perry was apparently not pleased with the defense.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/28232085/detail.html
I wonder how much are you paid for your opinion Mr. Sheafer????
You appear as an arrogant son of a bitch. Know it all. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?? How convenient for you!!
Debra C. Eggleston
Just a guess – we have a defense hack in our midst!
(FYI – Mr. Schaeffer is entitled to his opinion, and he does pretty much know it all!)
Yes…All are entilted to their opinon. For one to believe that he/she knows it All is a dangerous position. In fact has put Our rights according to the consitution at peril. Wake up…Welcome to The Reservation!!!!
Think you have had to much catnip….giggle
TROLL.
Baez is trolling Mr. Sheaffer’s blog now. Shame on you, Baez…you should be working on your client’s defense! Bahahahahah
Wow, we should be honored that we have THE infamous Baez in our midst. He is working so very hard to be famous.
Whoops:
I didn’t think sidebar transcripts were available to the public until trial closure?
VirtualBlu said, on June 14, 2011 at 7:43 pm
Whoops:
I didn’t think sidebar transcripts were available to the public until trial closure?
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Thanks to the open public disclosure laws in the State of Florida apparently they are available. Here is the whole transcript of the sidebar.
http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2011/0614/28230782.pdf
“You appear as an arrogant son of a bitch. Know it all.”
And pray tell, Please tell us how does Mason & Jose come out looking ?
Other than a couple of ” arrogant son of a bitch’s” & Know it all’s, that cover their ineptness with foolery, smoke & mirrors, and out and out lies to the court.
They have burned so many bridges in this case it is not a stretch to see the Bar taking them to task, Jose just may end up selling swimwear again after this.
Just an FYI if you are in someones house, and you do not like the surroundings you take you’re ass back out the door, not letting it it you on the way out.
Like him or not, Mason showed a seasoned defense attorney at work this morning.
He I do not believe would have taken this case where Jose’ has.
Judy,
I don’t believe Mason would have taken this case either, especially after his crushing defeat in the Nelson Serrano case. However, I can’t for the life of me figure out why he signed on to this one. His braggadocio precedes him and whether he did well today or not, he is not likable and I am convinced that he most likely alienated the jury with his arrogance. Remember the jury wasn’t present in the courtroom during the Motion for Acquittal this morning and his motion was denied. I think the proof of the pudding will be in the closing arguments Baez or Mason, who knows, maybe both on different subjects. Ashton or Burdick or both will imo crush the defense on closing. They get the last word.
I also think that when the defense rests and the prosecution does their rebuttal they will open the cans with the carpet that smells like decomp. I suppose the last thing to think about is whether they will put Casey on the stand.
Hi everyone! It’s great to see none of you here are drinking the cindy kool-aid. I know I’m cold-hearted but her tears haven’t softened me up at all. As we saw yesterday she is still lying for her daughter. I don’t believe for a second that she couldn’t remember her testimony from her depositions, do you? How many times did LDB have to get the transcripts for her to refer to? On the other hand, I am sorry to see her pain. I understand she is hurting and who wishes that on anyone? Not me. BUT she needs to be held responsible for all she did in the cover-up of Caylee’s murder. If the State made a deal with her and in exchange for not charging her she is to give them honest testimony, now that she has tried again to lie and “not remember” can the State go ahead and charge her once the trial ends? Why should they hold up their end of the bargain if she doesn’t? If they made a deal, that is.
You know, Bees, I’m getting a little bit nervous here. But just a little. Cindy whispers I love you to her “snot head” daughter after having conveniently forgotten what no one else could ever forget, meds or no meds, and now the defense comes up with a last minute witness, to what – prey (deliberate) tell?
Man, the page is loading so slow.
I feel a great deal of empathy for Cindy, as a mother. As a person she seems near as disingenuous as her daughter.
As for Mason? Who can figure that one out? Before he became involved he was among the first to say Casey was going down; but now? What was he thinking? Is he a true mercenary who thought he might cash in or did he believe he was rescuing Baez from total catastrophe? This much is certain, Mason, not Baez, should present closing arguments.
One last thing before I go, Hattie Catnip, I’ve been reading around. Everything that has anything to do with Caylee, and this case, so I’ve read at Bald Ain’t Beautiful too and all I can say is, I’m not Actually. Is that a good thing or a bad thing, as far as you’re concerned?
One thing I so wish the state had entered into evidence was the text messages where she said
” Should I bring the little snot head?”
Don’t count me to partake in Cindy’s Kool-Aid. I’ve always believed in body language and this helped me reinforce that belief:
http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com
Judy!
How long is your wish list, excluding the text messages? I’ve been trying to figure out why the prosecution would not call such greats as Tim Miller who could have testified about that little map incident, where he and George tried to get Casey to point out on the map where to start searching for Caylee. To me that was a biggy! And Cindy just had to put a stop to that now didn’t she?
Oh and, Dominic Casey! What about him and his poker, poking around in the swamp searching for pavers and Caylee. Will we ever know if he had been told where to look and by whom? And what about Hoover? What ever happened to him? He seems near forgotten.
And what of Jesse? Is he on the defense witness list? I don’t recall seeing his name.
So many.
Autumn said, on February 9, 2011 at 8:36 pm
Oh, darn. I just realized a mistake I made earlier today when I signed in with the name Actually rather than Autumn. That’s what I get for thinking about what I wanted to post rather than paying attention to what I was writing, but it’s really not my fault. I’m blaming it on art tart for making me laugh so hard with the comment about Baez being a defunct bikini shop owner that I just simply lost it! I really didn’t know that about him. Now I’m laughing all over again, and it’s Terrytsk’s fault this time.
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Autumn – I am not exactly sure what the reason for your comment to me was. I haven’t addressed you lately (if at all). A friend of mine saw your comment to me, recognized it as a sh-t stirring attempt, and was kind enough to furnish me with the comment you made on Feb 9 – maybe it will refresh your memory. If you are trying to point out that I comment at Bald Aint Beautiful – I have made no attempt to hide that fact. Someone above called BAB posters “jerk offs”. Was that by chance you? I have very, very good and personal reasons for my feelings about a certain blogger, but I don’t bring them to this blog. What is your agenda for bringing it up?
Autumn – to answer your question, it makes no difference to me. I don’t care who you are. I am here to comment on the Anthony case. Period.
BUSTED BEING A BLISTERED TROLL MUCH? HA HA HA!
Autumn said, on February 9, 2011 at 8:36 pm
Oh, darn. I just realized a mistake I made earlier today when I signed in with the name Actually rather than Autumn. That’s what I get for thinking about what I wanted to post rather than paying attention to what I was writing, but it’s really not my fault. I’m blaming it on art tart for making me laugh so hard with the comment about Baez being a defunct bikini shop owner that I just simply lost it! I really didn’t know that about him. Now I’m laughing all over again, and it’s Terrytsk’s fault this time.
Autumn said, on June 15, 2011 at 6:54 pm
One last thing before I go, Hattie Catnip, I’ve been reading around. Everything that has anything to do with Caylee, and this case, so I’ve read at Bald Ain’t Beautiful too and all I can say is, I’m not Actually. Is that a good thing or a bad thing, as far as you’re concerned?
Ha ha! A troll who likes to blame everyone else for their mistakes! Maybe it is Casey?
Hey curiouser…go away.
who is curiouser?
hattie catnip said, on June 16, 2011 at 6:12 am
Autumn – I am not exactly sure what the reason for your comment to me was. I haven’t addressed you lately (if at all). A friend of mine saw your comment to me, recognized it as a sh-t stirring attempt, and was kind enough to furnish me with the comment you made on Feb 9 – maybe it will refresh your memory. If you are trying to point out that I comment at Bald Aint Beautiful – I have made no attempt to hide that fact. Someone above called BAB posters “jerk offs”. Was that by chance you? I have very, very good and personal reasons for my feelings about a certain blogger, but I don’t bring them to this blog. What is your agenda for bringing it up?
Hattie, I don’t stir shit and I have never called any one a “jerk off” but beneath my breath. I was reading at Bald Ain’t Beautiful, saw my name mentioned, came back here and pulled up the comment and just wanted to make myself clear. I am not Actually. If you have a beef with Actually and believe me to be that person, it would be difficult for you and I to communicate here. On the other hand, if you don’t have a beef with Actually and continued to think that I was this person, then you would be mislead. I had to clear it up. No agenda. I don’t know who you are, and I don’t care where you comment. The only thing that’s of any interest to me is Justice For Caylee – and maybe that Baez go back to selling bikinis when all of this is over while Casey’s rotting in prison.
I was only able to watch today’s trial briefly. Did anyone notice how self-assured and “happy” KC appeared when court adjourned for the day?
It’s as if — Baez whispered in one of her pointy ears “don’t worry, sweetheart, you’re going to walk away from this with a free pass. Guaranteed”.
Makes me sick!!!
kc is convinced that she’s gonna get off scott-free. I don’t even pretend to understand her faith in Baez, when it’s clear that he hasn’t bothered to look out for her best interests. If he were, he would have pushed her to take a plea. But he is more interested in becoming “famous”…INFAMOUS in my book.
Virtualblu – I most definitely noticed that. She was extremely perky. In fact, today is the first time I have seen that toothy grin since before she chipped her tooth. Today of all days was not the time to show that glee – the anniversary of the death of her child. I didn’t see anything the defense did today that should make her that happy. It will be interesting to see if she is slap happy tomorrow.
VirtualBlu, and on this of all days. Three years to the day. She was especially jovial. Bella Vita Baby, indeed. I’m sure Baez and Mason both have her convinced it won’t be much longer. The last time she appeared so happy was the day Mason appeared on scene. It was obvious then that she thought he’d come to her rescue.
I wonder if some of her glee had anything to do with that kidnapping convict Baez and Co. dug up out of the wiring. What would the point of that be though unless they are actually going to turn around and accuseGeorge of childslaughter. It’s possible isn’t it? He allegedly pulled Caylee from the pool and did nothing to try to save her. What are we going to hear next? That George actually killed her and made it look like a drowning for the benefit of poor little Casey, and this creep from his cell phone records disposed of the body? Hey, maybe he was a friend of Kronk’s? Man. Nothing would surprise me anymore with this thuggish team. Today I just wish it was over and she was convicted already.
We must have been posting at the same time, Hattie. My thoughts exactly! I’d so love to slap her happily.
Autumn, we can definitely agree on one thing – anything is possible. I have decided to expect the unexpected when it comes to this defense. And, I will stand in line to slap the smirk off the face of that bitch.
Suzy, I agree. Baez has no real interest in defending Casey. If he did he’d be doing a far better job of it than he is. He’s spent more time on TV than he has in the court room. Up until now, anyway. If Baez writes a book, I’ll buy one, when it goes on sale for a buck, for the sheer pleasure of tossing it into the fire.
Not here to stir any crap – but – AUTUMN/ACTUALLY/BLISTERED SISTER – how do you defend this comment made by you – I suppose someone stole your name – forgot wether they were AUTUMN – SPRING – SUMMER OR FALL – just became ACTUALLY – I don’t know who I am!
Autumn said, on February 9, 2011 at 8:36 pm
Oh, darn. I just realized a mistake I made earlier today when I signed in with the name Actually rather than Autumn. That’s what I get for thinking about what I wanted to post rather than paying attention to what I was writing, but it’s really not my fault. I’m blaming it on art tart for making me laugh so hard with the comment about Baez being a defunct bikini shop owner that I just simply lost it! I really didn’t know that about him. Now I’m laughing all over again, and it’s Terrytsk’s fault this time.
You can fool some of the people some of the time but – you can’t fool all of the people all of the time – you are a deceitful – LIAR -
While I respect and appreciate your interest in JUSTICE for CAYLEE – you have failed miserably at being a real person – TRUTHFULL – SELF.
Sirjef8, you say you don’t want to stir any crap but proceed to call me a deceitful liar? I’m going to forget you said that and not be offended by it. You believe what you say and I can’t fault you for that. I once believed in Santa Claus and debated the matter wholeheartedly. Defending the existence of a nonexistent person didn’t make me a liar. I believed that he was and that was the truth as I knew it at the time, much like you believe I’m someone I’m not, now, so I won’t hold it against you.
No one stole my name and I didn’t forget who I was. Having grown rather fond of many who comment here like Judypc, art tart, Whoops, anonymous and several others, I engaged in the conversation and after realizing my mistake I made the correction JUST SO EVERYONE WOULD KNOW IT WAS ME. So there you have it. Take it or leave it.
I don’t stir shit. I want no part of the shit. I’m here for Caylee and every child like her.
Now, to all, yesterday was a really rough day for me. Last night was worse. It was three years to the day since Caylee lost her life at the hands of her mother and I found myself, throughout the day, imagining what she went through, moment by moment. After tucking my own 34 month old little girl into bed I started a post here, at 9:34 p.m. but couldn’t find the words to write. My daughter doesn’t sleep without the TV on so in the background The Little Mermaid was playing and as best she could my daughter was trying to sing the songs.
She was singing, all safe and warm and happy and loved, but where was Caylee on the very same night three years before? In the trunk with three layers of duct tape over her nose and mouth? Did she suffer? Did she feel pain? Did she bleed? Was she afraid? Was she in the trunk but not yet dead? Did she know where she was or was she sedated? Chloroformed to death? I’m not clear on this.
Because I wasn’t able to pay close attention to the trial yesterday I didn’t hear the outcome of the blood evidence. I think I heard that a blanket tested positive for blood but don’t know what the outcome of that was. Did a blanket test positive and was it the Winnie the Pooh blanket that did? Caylee could have been beaten bloody without a single bone being broken and we’d never know.
I’m glad yesterday’s over but today I worry about George and Cindy and what plot or plan might be in the making to excuse Casey. They’ve always made excuses for Casey. I don’t believe she was sexually assaulted. I believe she lied about that wanting sympathy and attention. Lying has served her so well through the years. Lying for her has helped George and Cindy preserve her MOTY and ideal daughter image. Why would they not lie for her now? Why hasn’t Caylee been enough reason for them to be truthful, if they are being truthful now, now that George and Lee stand accused? Why do they rise up now in defense of themselves when they didn’t rise up to defend Caylee? Why do George and Cindy allow her to continue to destroy them as she does?
Stand up, I say! Stand up and fight for your lives against your daughter, while there is still time! Fight for your grand daughter’s right to have lived to watch the Little Mermaid and to have sung and danced to the songs! Stop blaming yourselves for what you could have and should have done. It’s too late for that now! In spite of you and wherever it was that you think you failed, Casey and Casey alone CHOSE to end her baby’s life! Lee, George, Cindy and Mallory, hold on to one another now, because you are all you’ve got, your daughter cares nothing for any one other than herself and you can’t change that now.
Hattie Catnip, any time you want to meet me in Orlando to do some serious bitch slapping, should this chick ever go free, I’d be happy to join you.
sirjef8- There are people who misrepresent themselves but isn’t it far worse to misrepresent the truth? We know those who bring nothing to the discussion but an ability to degrade and demean those who have something meaningful to say. There is always another way of interpreting the evidence, the defendants behavior or how our judicial system works and plenty of room to disagree agreeably or inform and advise where the truth can be found. The internet is a good starting point and the Florida Sunshine Laws do afford all of us an ability to get the facts straight and carry on a respectful conversation. Everyone who is given a chance to express themselves should do so in an atmosphere of share values and the recognition that our “freedom of speech” is afforded to all.
We can disagree about the “facts” but we have a responosibility to say what we “ought” to say not what we” want” to say. I have discussed this case with Autumn and I can say with a fair degree of certainty that she is honest, straightforward and without malice towards anyone. It is cruel to say she is “deceitful” when we are well aware of those who would say and do things that are morally reprehensible and illegal. Autumn, imo doesn’t engage in that type of behavior. If she has a couple of nics and is comfortable using them to inform and not confuse than who are we to say she is not “real”? We all know who the liars are and those who would, without a moment’s thought, destroy an innocent person, blame others and continue on like nothing ever happened. Disordered and deceitful people have walked in and out of the discussions on Fl v Anthony but most “seasoned” writers on blogs know who to stay away from.
Anonymous, I have missed you, terribly.
Anon, I totally agree with your above post. If anyone is deceitful, it is kc’s ENTIRE defense team.
I do have a question for the fly-bys…why does it matter who is behind a screen name? We are all people, who were drawn to this case for one reason or the other, and most want justice. It does not matter to me who uses what screen name to post with.
Autumn-You have important and insightful things to say. No one needs to know why you did or didn’t use another nic. How unimportant. How would anyone of us want to be judged so harshly over something so inconsequential? On a happier note let us look at Vivaldi’s “Four Seasons”. When this case is over let’s hope that the beautiful harmonies that he brought together can be metaphorically part of our thinking when we consider how beautiful Heaven must be now that Caylee is there.We have to hope that she is on the “welcoming committee” when other vulnerable, abused and murdered children arrive.
The little boy from Nebraska says that there are horses in Heaven. This beautiful little rememberance should diminish any feelings of hurt you might be feeling today.
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Suzy-Just knowing how evil this defendant is should temper our collective consciousness and prevent anyone of us from harming fellow writers and those who valued this precious victim.
Ewwww, that sirjef thingy is still alive and kicking? Shouldn’t he stay in the garbage dump with the other babbers who are a dying pathetic breed? have you seen the new babber site? one or two trashy broads and sirjef left oh and one long winded thing named earworm lol
LOL, don’t. Please.
Anonymous, Vivaldi, how glorious! And …
Of course there are horses in heaven
and upon one of them Caylee will ride,
fast and hard through the streets of gold
having heard another child is soon to arrive.
with heartfelt thanks, anonymous.
Anonymous! Well that didn’t work! “La Petite Fille De La Mer” by Vangelis, on You Tube. It’s the inspiration of the name Autumn (rains). Should you watch it, please see it through to the end, you’ll understand why when you get there.
*sigh, be sure to watch the version by shastasheene. I’ll try to post the link again.
http://www.youtube.com/user/shastasheene#p/a/u/1/DLr1oWjIC44
Let’s see if that works.
Craig, thanks for allowing the link at 7:01. If you could please delete the posts at 7:12 and 7:15, but leave the 7:01 as it is. I didn’t mean to make such a mess! I just wanted to share the video with Anonymous. Thanks.
http://i53.tinypic.com/2iksefo.jpg
JUSTICE is Coming!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/60857547@N03/5835813911/
GASP! art tart! You literally took my breath away with that photograph! It needs to be posted everywhere! Stunningly awesome! Thank you!
@ MarinadeDaveDBTours, you are a sick individual. That crap you posted has NO place here. Your entire intent in posting it was to get a reaction, as you feed off negativity. Clearly, you have issues, and need to seek help, sooner rather than later.
@Art tart Love that pic! I’m sure Caylee is looking down from above and making sure that justice will be served.
Craig is also a sick individual to allow MarinadeDaveDBTours to stay on the site of a supposedly reputable man such as
Mr. Bill Sheaffer. Of course maybe we only assume Mr. Sheaffer is a decent individual and he sanctions Craig for his unkindly and unjust monitoring.
Sirjef8 ? You are nothing more than a pimple on a maggot’s a s s.
FYI – Autumn may have made a mistake? using my screen name, but I can assure you Autumn isn’t Actually. I’ve watched a certain few who have taken Autumn’s mistake to the extreme…I’ve chosen not to correct them because it gives them some fodder for their blog.
BTW, I rarely comment as “Actually” anymore and I never use “Autumn”. Now, go figure out who I really post as…
Hey Knechel!
I recognize your vile syntax anywhere, don’t you have your own “low-rent” blog to write your “carcass” stories at?
You are nothing more than a sicko pervert that films a restroom claiming it is where a dead baby peed AND to top that, you filmed your friend peeing on Caylee’s grave and then posting it on Youtube.
FYI-Craig is having a nice Father’s day with his family, he has priorities that don’t include you.
Actually,
Here is a very important message from the people of the world to you:
Who fricken cares?
The Marinade Dave DBT photo is pretty darn accurate, if you ask me. Whey the h*ll is that guy, or ANYONE, taking out-of-towners of a tour of the location where Caylee’s body was dumped. If this was a one time thing, I wouldn’t have as strong feelings about it. But, this guy does it again and again and again. He videotapes and publishes online his “tours” of the dumping ground for previous little Caylee. In his videos, he points out exactly where he thinks her bones were, discusses where the animals gnawed on and and dragged her bones away (his descriptions and words, not mine), and makes other offensive and disrespectful comments. In one of the videos, his friend “whipped it out” and peed at the site, and they had a good laugh about it. wtf?
Those of you pressuring Craig to take it down, actually don’t want it up because it’s the TRUTH. It’s ugly, it’s unfortunate, it’s not pleasant, but that is what that guy is really and truly doing– repeated “tours” for out-of-towners to see the site where the babies dead body was disposed of. He deserves to get called out on it, and he has. The picture isn’t offensive, it’s the truth behind it that you all should be complaining about. Get your priorities straight.
Correction – the word “previous” above should be “precious”
Curiouser, way to go outing Dave again.
WTF- More like CALLING dave out again. And he deserves to be called out.
Had to comment on the DB tours. Hysterical! ROFLMAO! HLN and most media should be giving guided tours at little Caylees dump site. Knechels misguided bs brought down a sitting judge. Hopefully when this fiasco of a trial is over Florida will take a good look at the way the Sunshine Laws have been used for every slime ball that crawled out from under a rock to make a living off this murdered child. Casey Anthony should have been able, like any other accused in Florida to have her day in court, without the nonsense and media hype. This case is costing the taxpayers a fortune thanks to all the media bs that went on. Bloggers spend all their time trying to call a shot on the case, (with no first hand knowledge) talking heads on the tv give their 2 cents and still we have to foot the bill. Hopefully our laws will change to prevent this miscarriage of true justice from happening in the future.
Are there no Moderators here who can disseminate posts for Caylee’s Justice vs TROLLS???
Justice for Caylee includes standing in opposition to opportunists giving guided tours of the site where her mother dumped her body.
Don’t you trolls have your own blog to tend to? Oh wait…it’s pretty dead there, except for a handful of you. As much as I dislike Knechel, I dislike you and your commentators more because you have kept this fire burning for 2 years. All it proves is that you have no life outside of bashing others. Pretty sad and pathetic, if you ask me. Grow up.
Thank God it’s Monday! After Spitz spat all over our common sense, suggesting that Dr. G. staged the crime scene following Rodriguez who, however unwittingly, attempted to further discount the tape, I’m anxious to hear what more the defense has to offer that will merit another severe admonishment from the Court! More than that, I’m most anxious to hear what explanation the good Judge will offer the jury regarding the cessation of Rodriquez’s testimony! Authored by the state, it’s bound to be interesting.
Also, thank you Actually for stopping by. Love the avatar! I’ll be looking for you as I travel the blogs.
See ya in court!
Suzy Homemaker, you are a miserable bitch. Go bake some humble pie.
“Also, thank you Actually for stopping by. Love the avatar! I’ll be looking for you as I travel the blogs.”
LOL- painfully obvious as sock puppets for each other, Why do you bother with the charade, other than to entertain with your crazy factor?
Why does the judge admonish the state when it’s the defense that seems to be screwing this all up? I don’t get it! Why isn’t Baez just charged with contempt already? Why isn’t he sanctioned? I understand that the judge can do nothing about Baez and his representation of Casey, but can’t the FL Bar do something? Can’t JP make Mason the main attorney instead of Baez? Does Mason support Baez in all of these decisions he makes? Have we seen Mason address the media, lately, announcing his support of Baez’s defense tactics? Mason has been around a long time and has to know that all Baez is succeeding in doing is pissing off the judge! God help Caylee. Justice is again delayed.
Bill Schaeffer hasn’t come this way since I started posting here. I’m beginning to understand why. There is much disrespect shown him by those who come here to falsely accuse and malign commentators who are here for no other reason than Caylee.
Autumn it bugs me too when Judge Perry admonishes both the State and the duhfense when it’s clearly the duhfense that is repeatedly screwing up. But I think it’s important that he maintain some kind of appearance of being unbiased between the two although everyone can clearly see the State has done a fantastic job and it’s the duhfense that are such miserable screw ups. I’m sure that when they are away from the cameras it would be the duhfense that feels the full weight of his wrath. I think the State knows why he does that and are probably okay with it. They would understand he is doing everything in his power to keep from re-trying this mess.
Anonymous, thanks for the beautiful Vivaldi clip. Just what I needed to see and hear today. This case has me so rattled I’m starting to feel ill. I go around in a bad mood half the time. My eyes are getting blurry and my ears are ringing from staring at the computer so much! Whine, whine, whine . . . I sound worse than baez! But I will be soooooo glad when it’s over and that murderous bitch is either sitting on Death Row or doing LWOP.
Hey Mackie…go take a Pamprin, and get back to me when you’re feeling better.
Autumn said, on June 20, 2011 at 11:44 am
Bill Schaeffer hasn’t come this way since I started posting here. I’m beginning to understand why.
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Let’s try something… You (and your alter ego) leave and we’ll see if Bill comes back. K?
@LMAO …Why is it that you and your minions think you can run people off from this blog? You don’t even come here to talk about the case. You come in with a hit and run one-liner and expect people to take you seriously? GTFO.
Bees Knees, I know you’re right. Heaven forbid Jose Baez or Cheney Mason seek to have Judge Perry recuse himself, claiming partiality. I’m sure they would if they could! At this point, it seems to me, the dastardly duo’s trying hard for a do-over (mistrial), though I don’t understand why they’d want to go back to the beginning. Were a mistrial ever declared, the defense would find itself up a river swimming far more desperately against the current, for all of their theories the prosecution has successfully refuted!
Imho, given a mistrial, the defense would have next to no defense at all. My question for them is, then, why are they trying so hard to sabotage this case?
All, I read last night, though I don’t recall where, an article in which Richard Hornsby was quoted as saying that Cheney Mason, being DP qualified, is lead counsel for the defense, not Jose Baez?!?!?!? If this is true than why the hell does Cheney Mason just sit there saying and doing nothing? Why does he allow Baez to continue to steer the ship when it’s run aground so often that there’s a big gaping hole in the hull that’s taking on water and the bilge pump doesn’t work? I’ve noticed something about Cheney Mason, and that is that he only mumbles when it suits him to mumble, and more often than not that’s when he’s eliciting sympathy from the court, the jury, the witness, or the audience in general! Have any of you noticed that?
Before getting to work I’d like to share an article found at the Orlando Sentinel, regarding the complaints filed against Baez with the FL Bar. Of particular interest are the two investigations initiated by the Bar, itself, one of which is still pending. We can only imagine what this week’s circus act will bring!
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-day-23-box-20110620,0,7544327.story
Yay! The Bar is paying attention!
OK, so Jose Baez is truly the underhanded, lying, snaky sleeze that he has always appeared to be. He is NO attorney and should never ever be allowed in a courtroom again. I mean what moron of a defense attorney turns all HIS defense witnesses into prosecution witnesses? LOL! The defense has OWNED all his “expert” witnesses. And now he brings over these Dutch people and makes a schmuck out of the poor guy. He’s clueless. Unethical. However, both he and his client deserve each other. No wonder they found each other. LOL! One lies and the other swears to it. Casey comes up with yet another bullshoot story and the a$$ of an attorney runs with it and then comes up with the Kronk Krap. What a pair. He is certainly the laughing stock of the profession. No wonder it took him, what , how many times to pass the bar exam?? He cannot follow the rules of the court, the rules of discovery.
The judge has called that lying, slthering snake out. Willfull violation!
He sure made an ass of himself while questioning Dr. Weiss too. It was hilarious to watch LOL
Oh, he is completely pathetic and his client is completely guilty of First degree murder!
Surprise Surprise that she may have (and probably did) picked up on another tragedy (April Whalen) to come up with another story. Another lie! LOL! We know Casey! The whole bunch of them are the dregs of society.
I will use Bees Knees words from the Hinky Meter this morning…She is a “lying liar that lies” (something like that) and so is Jose Baez.. What a disgrace. And now you KNOW the prosecution will kill with what is on the hard drive! Timeline/cell pings/instant messaging, anyone?
There are no words that fully describe Jose Baez. If there was a word beyond pompous, he would be that word. If there was a word above arrogant, he’d put it to shame, surpassing what the most willful and wantonly arrogant could ever hope to become!
Why don’t the moderators simply also imply that, considering his experience, Mr Baez is trying his best to provide a proper defense for the defendant? It looks to me and others I know that the moderators are piling on and not giving Mr Baez any credit for his willingness and artful intent to represent the defendant.
He isn’t trying to put on a good defense, unless you consider trying to get a mistrial as a “good” defense. People who are supporters of jose and kc seem like they aren’t even watching the same trial as the rest of us!
http://thejbmission.wordpress.com/2011/06/22/the-truth-is-one-the-paths-are-many/
haha-First KC had JB mission and the rest of the KC Anthony-Jose Baez fan club chasing their tails looking for “the Nanny” and now Baez and KC have them chasing their tales on the drowning of Caylee and George covering it up and molesting KC. Suckers are born everyday . JB mission always good for a laugh. Don’t they know that KC is a liar and all she does is lie and all murderers lie
thejbmission
June 22, 2011 at 9:21 am
Doesn’t JP see Ashton shaking his head and making faces while JB is questioning his witness? I thought this was grounds for a contempt charge…
BTW, I’d pay big bucks to see JB punch JA in the temple! lol..see how he smirks then.
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That is if you had big bucks you mental midget. I guess with your mentality JB and seeming willingness to commit a crime, that says it all about you. It is a good thing you all are congregated in one place.except for NTS who wanders over to Hal’s to spread the Missionites credo. And Blam, your soliloquy holds about as much water as a kitchen strainer. Pretty soon, JB is going to have you all drinking Kool-Aide.
Sololoquy: Soliloquy is distinct from monologue and aside. Soliloquies are similar to yet distinct from a monologue which is an exclusive view of a character’s dramatized action within a play-world, typically addressing another character or group of characters.
Yup Blam, carry on in the Missionetes play-world. You are in the right place for it.
Oh oh, now how are you Missionites going to spin this?
“Casey Anthony’s family believes ‘she’s not innocent”
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/
RE: Casey Anthony
Mr. Shaeffer:
Although I appreciate your expertise, time and effort covering this case, it has become exhausting listening to your opinions rather than just reporting of the facts and the interpretation of the law and procedures associated with it. I certainly hope that the representatives in the jury box are listening to ALL of the facts before rendering their opinion, unlike you seem to be doing. It has become very disenchanting to see the reactions and listen to all of the rhetoric not only in the public, but within your professional community. As it should be, I have not rendered an opinion regarding this matter. It would be nice if you, as a profressional, would follow suit when reporting.
Yesterday Casey was looking down at her lap alot like she was texting and trying to hide it? What would happen if she was caught doing that? Is anyone watching her for such things?
Ms. Romito, I also hope you are listening to all the facts before rendering an opinion. Also, I would hope you have followed the details of this case during the past 3 years, and have read and listened to over 20,000 pieces of depositions, reports, evidence, jailhouse videos, pretrial hearings, etc., etc., as many of us here have done, in trying to render our opinions.
Twitter reporting recused Judge Strickland in the balcony, Marinade Dave thrown out for humping the judge’s leg then loudly protesting.
??? Thoughts? Opinions?
Judge Perry:
“Alright, as both sides concur that a legal issue has arisen unrelated to the issue that we talked about first thing this morning, dealing with Dr. Furton, that would necessitate us recessing for today.”
“Madam court reporter, we’ve got something we’ve gotta do.”
Hopefully he has found jose in contempt of court and decided to throw him in jail.
A girl can dream, right?
Dream on you blood thirsty idiots. Dream on! You don’t read anything, you hop from one blog to another and try to spin your pathetic brain to sound smart. So you have studied 20,000 documents and depositions, you lie like sick dogs.
Mr. Sheaffer: did you know you have a twin? His name John Zaffis andhe has a show on the SyFy channel – check it out!
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17148&d=1309105417
Ms. Romito, every station has its own legal analyst, be they lawyers or judges. Your snarky comment suggests you watch the trial coverage via WFTV…hmmmm. You could just slip over to the “competition” and hang with Mr. NeJame. You know, the professional who said: “She was stealin’, boozin’, screwin’, and tattooin’ ” during the 31 days before Caylee was reported missing. Nice guy, you’ll love him.
How did the defense make the decision to go with the “molestation” story? In Caseys jail house letters she alleged, I think my father might have done the same thing only when he was younger. She thinks? Ineffective counsel? This is the best defense they could come up with in 3 years? Thanks for wasting my tax dollars on this crap defense and for the appeals to come.
magpie writes for the hunky meter. She tweets, too. She lies about being in the courtroom. She is not there. The public is not allowed to take notes, tweet or use a tablet. The hinky meter was denied media credentials and magpie tried. She was denied. She is not reporting from inside the courtroom. She is lying with valhall’s blessing. This charade must stop. No deputy would smile as she pours fizzy in her water. Drinks are forbidden. Everyone in the media is aware of her. The jury seldom reacts to anything and she is rewriting history. This is the truth. SHE IS NOT CREDENTIALED. I AM AND WE CAN’T DRINK WATER.
Karen Levey is the head of media at the courthouse. She is aware of this lie. She told us this is the reason why hinky meter and Pamela did not get credentials. We are calling her the new Joy Wray.
Well, now, magpie/pamela – your posts come across as jealous and someone with a bone to pick. I personally don’t care what you have to say about Magpie. Her posts are far more entertaining than the posts of the hack I believe you are trying to defend.
LOL magpie/pamela…
Do you require a service dog? You know one that assists the blind?
Are you saying you have not seen Judge Perry with his coffee mug pouring it into yet another glass?
Have you not seen Ashton take water to the podium?
Have you not seen Dr. Vass take water to stand, Cindy take it?
Have you not seen water bottles at the defense and prosecution tables?
Here is what you do, post the copy of the e-mail from Miss Levey wherein she says to you beverages like water are not allowed in the courtroom. you know like a water bottle one could drop a fizzie item into…
Or you could just shut your pie hole, choice is yours…
These are the rules that strictly apply to the gallery. The judge, attorneys, Casey, and the jurors do not sit in the gallery. You are twisting the rules to defend a liar.
MEDIA:
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/High-Profile-Cases/Anthony/Downloads/Order%20Establishing%20Rules%20Governing%20Media.pdf
Members of the media are requested to dress appropriately. No chewing gum, please. No food or drink. While in the courtroom, please place all cell phones/pagers in vibrate or off mode. Anyone who fails to maintain decorum will be immediately removed the courtroom and could lose media privileges for this trial.
Due to the distractive nature of the keyboards, laptop use will not be permitted in the courtroom.
MAGPIE IS NOT A MEMBER OF THE MEDIA
Ask HER to take a picture of her media pass with her picture on it. Show proof!
PUBLIC:
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/High-Profile-Cases/Anthony/Downloads/Order%20Establishing%20Rules%20Governing%20Members%20of%20the%20Public.pdf
4. No chewing gum and no food or drink is permitted at any time.
5. Any use of cell phones is absolutely prohibited.
Magpie has never claimed to be media that I know of! She has described waiting in line for a ticket, and says she can’t always get in. Don’t understand why you are so concerned about her. She has a right to write about it, even if she watches it on TV.
MagpieFromHinky Pamela
@lexiechey I’m media. I don’t have an assigned seat though so I have to deal with those issues.
lexiechey Penthouse Sidebar 2
@MagpieFromHinky How are you able to tweet from the courtroom? I just read tweet that says only Media is allowed to tweet ?
MAGPIE IS A LIAR!!!
The liar writes about jury reactions she cannot see on TV. She writes from the courtroom she is not sitting in. She tweets to people in the courtroom so she can fill in the details on her hinky blogs and tweets. She is a discredit to the journalists that are actually working on location. The people she tweets are well aware that she’s not in attendance.
Why don’t you take a flying leap, hater? It’s none of your business, and I very highly doubt that YOU are a credited journalist either. You jealous cuz she’s cut in on YOUR action? LOL
I’m going to try to guess where all these false accusations against Magpie and the sudden concerted effort to discredit her is coming from. And I’m going to take one guess and get it right.
This is pathetic.
Hattie, Suzy, OBVIOUSLY Magpie/Pamela doesn’t read at the Hinky Meter, because if she did she would KNOW that Magpie has not ever said she was media nor that she had an assigned seat! It’s been made very clear, that she has had to stand in line like everyone else, and does so as time allows her to. She does this for US so that we might better experience what goes on in the courtroom, and I – but one of many – greatly appreciate her SELFLESS efforts to give us an insider’s view.
I would say to you Magpie, should you read here, where the heck are you? I’ve noticed you haven’t posted an article in many days and hope it’s not because of what’s been written here by the likes of Magpie/Pamela! I hope you’re well and just too busy, but even as I say that I can almost see you with your hard earned ticket clutched in your hand as you await this day of closing arguments. I hope so, anyway, and will be anxiously awaiting what you have to say at the end of the day, especially since I have to work today and won’t have the time nor the energy to stay up all night watching the replay.
Valhall, as the trial draws to a close I want to thank you for all of your compassion filled efforts to bring us the most well organized, most well written written, compiled, informative blog on the internet! I am certain that when you get to heaven you will be greeted by the many children to whom you have given a voice, and at the front of the line of them all will be Aja. Now, that brought a tear to your eyes, didn’t it? Well done good and faithful servant.
Why do so many use this blog to verbally “assasinate” someone from ANOTHER blog?????
I note that magpie/pamela didn’t say who she represents or who she writes for. An anomymous accusation doesn’t hold any weight. Most especially one so ridiculous!
And now, for the reason we are here! The day we have been waiting for is finally here!! Not starting out all that well, but hopefully this will be worked out soon.
Now Baez is yammering about pelvic exams. What does that have to do with the fact she murdered her child?
Magpie rocks and I applaude her efforts. Thanks for a real inside and insightful look at the proceedings.
Sour grapes coming from another little read blog?
Since the Baez and Ashton confrontation yesterday occurred with the jury present why wasn’t the incident explained to the jury upon their return? Shouldn’t the judge have ended the speculation as to what they had witnessed? Great job “Bill!” We refer to you as Uncle Bill when we start viewing your coverage. My wife and I are not knowledgeable about the law but your explanations have made everything so much clearer enabling us to understand what is occurring. Would you do me a favor and let Mr. Ashton know he is the recipient of a most honorable full military salute from a former Marine Viet Nam combat veteran, and it should be considered the “only” salute he should rightfully receive!!!!!
What in the He!! has happened to this blog that used to be such a great place to discuss this case? (besides the fact, of course that it takes forever to load, etc.) Accusing someone of not being in the courtroom?
Has Bill Shaffer ever actually won a not guilty verdict for a client, other than for something like fishing without a license? The reason I ask is because he is so pro-prosecution in everything he says on TV when he discusses Casey Anthony trial coverage, I wondered if he acts the same in the courtroom when he has a client he is representing, just nodding his head in court to whatever the prosecution says, and complacently letting his clients go to the electric chair.
Craig…why do you let this crap stay up? It is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Bill, if you find the time, could you please explain the penalty phase process to us? I have heard that either side may submit NEW evidence for publication to the jury. Is this true?
http://themadchuck.wordpress.com/2011/07/05/casey-anthony-is-the-luckiest-person-on-earth/
It is so quiet here now. I just read that Casey was found not guilty. I hope people will accept this verdict and give her a break? There was no evidence to convince the jury (and I thought so too, no real evidence ) and the state can’t appeal.
I suppose questions will remain about what happend. A child died, that is terrible. Was it murder or an accident, will the truth ever emerge?
Gee — where is every everyone?????
I just wanted to stop by and express my sincere gratitude to Mr. Sheaffer for helping people like me understand the legalities of this case. Your explanations here and in your analyses on WFTV have been invaluable.
Respectfully Submitted,
Valhall.
About the Jury:
When discussing this issue, always remember who it is all about. Caylee. Please do not allow any of your guests to cloud the issue or steer the conversation off the track of the truth. Common sense is one of our most valuable skills as human beings.
Common Sense Facts:
1. Caylee went from being a healthy 2 year old girl to a decomposing corpse in a trash dump swamp.
2. Casey Anthony was her mother and in charge of her well being.
3. Casey never called 911, sought help, and lied every step of the way
4. Only a guilty person would act this way
Even if the State did not adequately prove murder in the eyes of these 12 ignorant people, there can be no doubt about “Child Abuse”, “Child Neglect”, or the gamut of such related charges.
These 12 murder facilitators are going to say: they were sorry, that they didn’t want to make that decision, the state didn’t prove it’s case, and they had no choice. Please do not entertain this rhetoric- think of Caylee. These 12 people who were simply in a hurry to go home, are just worried about their safety, reputations, the angry crowds, the hostile reactions, and the repercussions in real life and how history will think of them. Please do not allow them to make excuses. All it would have taken was (only1) to step forward for Caylee and at least force a “mistrial”. All 12 were cowards. Now, they need to be held accountable for what they did, just as all of us are held accountable for our actions.
If causing and/or allowing a toddler, in one’s legal custody, to go from: (Healthy to Dead)- then, (Hiding/Lying about this fact) and (Moving on with one’s life as if nothing was wrong) and ultimately (throwing Caylee away like garbage) is not a crime in the eyes of these 12 deranged individuals of not even the lesser… “Child Abuse”, then, this is the truth (and only truth) that all of us need to see and always remember about these people we called jurors.
Please do not allow them to spin this any other way. Obviously, they needed nothing short of a video or confession to find Casey Anthony guilty and they foolishly confused “reasonable doubt with any doubt”. Some truth’s in life we do not need a video tape to see.
I see 12 people who set a criminal free. Nothing more-nothing less. Please do not allow these 12 criminal promoters to alleviate their burden and consequences of their hasty, calloused decision on your show or in any media outlet- all because they have the privilege that Caylee does not, the ability to live and speak.
*footnote
By consequences I mean (Awareness). People should know who these 12 are and atrocity of their decision and then, they should be labeled and judged accordingly in our society. However, by no means does this or anything I write advocate violence to anyone period! Words such as-. judgment, consequences, and burden, in my mind, mean= knowledge, public awareness and hopefully thoughtful actions that will precipitate changes in the calloused behavior of people and changing the maligned laws of our broken legal and political systems. (Never violence.)
However, on a lighter note- a good…” what the” hell is your problem, a little girl is dead!” Or “What the &^%$ were you thinking, not about “Caylee”! -never hurt anyone. Are we too politically correct nowadays to say what we think is right?
Court Official: Casey Anthony’s Release Date Is July 13
http://www.wftv.com/news/28473919/detail.html?treets=orlc&tml=orlc_break&ts=T&tmi=orlc_break_1_10420207072011
Mr Shaeffer-You did such a fine job educating all of us about the proceedings and the possible outcomes. Mr Ashton, Ms Linda Drane-Burdick and Mr Frank George worked tirelessly for justice for Caylee Marie Anthony. We have to accept the jurors decision to acquit but we do not have to accept the reasons. In order to acquit her they had to find a reason they could unanimously agree on. All Mr Baez said was that she drowned in the pool. All he presented to substantiate the fact that she loved to swim were pictures of her swimming with her grandparents. He did not present evidence that she went into the pool alone and unsupervised.
Jurors sent the message “loud and clear” that if the ME in Orange County finds remains of a small child in a swamp and cannot determine the cause of death she should advise the State Attorney General that a homicide occurred and no further action is required.
Autumn-I listened to Vangelis’s La Petit Lille De La Mer.’ Thank you. I wish everyone would take the time to listen to some beautiful music as a way of bringing some peace and quiet to their lives. It’s the only thing that keeps me on track most days!!
Now that the circus has left town it’s just a matter of time before the “elephant in the room” leaves – she’ll have a hard life and a loveless one. She will forever be imprisoned by her psychopathy and the endless battle to cover it up will be a lifetime struggle. She loves the attention. Considers herself unique and genuine. She likes herself. She had the ability to convince 12 good men and woman that she was a paragon of virtue and purity.
If we don’t believe that than we have to believe that the verdict was corrupted by the anticipation of fame and wealth. Only time will tell.
Anonymous, excellent comments. Listened to Vangelis’s La Petit Lille De La Me and it is a hauntingly beautiful piece of music. Thanks to Autumn for introducing it to us. My question today is did we have a “Runaway Jury”? As you say, “Only time will tell.”
The jurors are not blame here, the prosecutors did not present enough evidence and Casey should not walk away free. Accident or no Accident.
Whoops, I think the time has come to rethink the make-up of jurors in a high profile capital case. If we want murderers off the streets but know the temptation of financial gain awaits an unpopular and unjust verdict how then can we say that our system works? Would it be fair to both the accused and the outright innocent to demand that all jurors selected for service in a capital case be asked to undergo basic reading comprehension testing and psychological assessment prior to assuming the guilt or innocence of someone? If the defendant is a high school drop out is it right to place two on the jury? What is it about jurors who are confused? What happens to the process whereby innocent people could land in prison because evidence of innocence is confusing?
What is so confusing about a pretty defendant who admits she is a liar and by her own admission was the last person to see her child alive and the first person to speak to her 31 days later? If we want to understand the criminal mind and especially the complicated mind of a homicidal psychopath why confuse jurors by assassinating her character when she has obvious character flaws which speak to her criminality and her proclivity to do whatever it takes to deflect the blame and punishment onto others? What role does lying, stealing, promiscuity and not reporting your child missing for 31 days factor into the picture of a severly disordered person responsible for the care of someone of “tender years”? Ms Drane Burdick did everything but say that Casey disposed of Caylee with about as much thought as many of us step on a bug and at the end of the day we know it meant nothing to all 12 jurors. They were not 12 angry men and woman. They didn’t even deliberate long enough to submit a question relative to just how “confused” they were.
If there was NO evidence of decomposition, a hair in the trunk, no duct tape or Winnie the Poo blanket from her bedroom wrapped around her little bones would they have been confused? Did jurors need to know who ate her liver or who carried her heart and lungs to lane 5, 30 feet north, northeast of the skull?
Anonymous – I could not agree more!! I believe the jury system needs some serious revamping. It is definitely not working when a party girl is allowed to kill her child, then go scott free.
Tim, I loved your post.
PLEASE sign this petition, post it on your facebook and email it to all your friends, to boycott media outlets that will pay Casey Anthony and money for her story. http://www.petitiononline.com/Boycott2/petition.html
PLEASE sign this petition, post it on your facebook and email it to all your friends, to boycott media outlets that will pay Casey Anthony any money for her story. http://www.petitiononline.com/Boycott2/petition.html
Anonymous,
My short answer to you is a question. Was she judged by a jury of her peers? Apparently to some degree she was. Two HS dropouts were a start. The rest, not so much. However, none in my opinion were. Yes, it is time to re-evaluate the make-up of jurors in all capital cases. Unfortunately, both sides were encumbered by the pool from which the jury was selected. Having a drivers license as a prerequisite for being selected is not serving the system well. That is a separate issue in and of itself.
Burden of Proof, above and beyond any and all reasonable doubt in a circumstantial evidence murder case is almost an impossible task in Florida. Without a video tape of the crime, or a direct “credible” witness to the crime, it is a circumstantial evidence case that must be proven. Think about and research reasonable doubt and how it has been applied in Florida courts. You will be amazed to find out that in Florida it is the highest burden a prosecutor has to face. Let me ask you this. Did the prosecution above and beyond any and all reasonable doubt, prove that Casey Marie Anthony killed Caylee Marie Anthony?
Did any one witness the crime. Do we know the time and manner of death? Forget Law and Order, forget the CSI effect. Blurr out the media and what you have read on the blogs plus the millions of words of speculation.
Do not get me wrong, I full well believe that Casey Anthony, whether by accident or by intent killed Caylee. Did the prosecution in their case in chief prove it? Or, did Jeff Ashton screw up royally during the closing arguments of the defense by his ridiculous antics, lose that jury or both? Last but not the least, did the prosecution overcharge Casey and had the DP option been off the table, would it have made a difference in the verdict?
Now that it has been all said and done, maybe, just maybe, the jury got it right according to the law, but certainly not, from in my opinion, a moral perspective. It is what it is Anon, and I thank the good Lord that I don’t live in Florida.
Whoops- Jurors will not be the last ones to use the death of Caylee Marie Anthony for financial gain. When the civil action is concluded will they be sitting there stunned at what Ms Anthony will disclose as a result of identifying the first person she intended to blame for Caylee’s murder.It will not be about bones and blankets or swamps and Sunbirds, cause of death or decomposition. It’s about guilt.
Jurors didn’t have enough common sense to simply follow the lies. Had they done so they would have been knee deep in a swamp watching the inhabitants dine on Caylee’s bones.
Here is a link to another grass roots movement:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/397/petition-for-the-federal-government-to-prosecute-casey-anthony/
I cannot resist passing this on to the babbers:
Judge Strickland most certainly called Dave Knechel up to his bench to compliment him on his blog AND called him when he read on his blog that he was in the hospital.
Here is the transcript from NG:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1107/06/ng.01.html
GRACE: Well, what was the allegation as to why you needed to recuse yourself?
STRICKLAND: There was two. The first was, at our first bond hearing, just after all this broke, I said on the record that — I think my words were, The truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers, obviously calling her a liar. Little did I know that would turn out to be her defense.
That, and then later on in open court, I spoke to a blogger. I had been on his blog a few days earlier. His picture was there. I recognized him sitting in the audience. He had been — of the blogs that I had gone to, he had been especially fair to the Anthonys. He wouldn`t allow people to trash them and say ugly things and say some of the nonsense that you get on other Web sites.
I thought, Gee, I see him, and I motioned him up and I said, you know, Your blog is civilized. You`re very fair. I think you`re doing good work. Keep it up. That was it.
About four months after that, to summarize, I was looking at his blog again, saw where he had apparently had a heart attack and he`s a diabetic and had some health problems. As I was sitting, looking at this, his — I saw his telephone number there on the blog. I called it, expecting to get a message. Lo and behold, he answered. I said, How are you? Are you OK? Yes. I said, Keep up the good work. Get well. End of story.
The next thing I know, an investigator had gone out there, found out that I had made the phone call to him — egregious as it was, asking about his health. And then he filed the motion to recuse. And I issued a recusal order, which I would urge you to read if you haven`t. But that was it, Nancy.
Gee — WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM ……. WHEN WILL YOU STOP AND REALIZE — the little girl died by drowing tragety….???????
Anonymous, it’s good to find you here. Whoops, Hattie, it’s good to see you as well. Tim, Gina most excellent comments, too. Calgary, I don’t have the energy to pick bones or I would, but your comments are welcome.
Here we are, trying to make sense of the senseless, again. The jury’s verdict, in my opinion, was as senseless as Caylee’s murder, itself, and I’m finding it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to accept. I don’t even know why any of us are simply expected to just accept it.
Because what’s done is done? Because there’s nothing any of us can do to change it we just have to accept it?
No. I can’t and I won’t, and so for as long as Casey walks free she is going to know that I, but one of many, know she’s GUILTY!
Our names,on a petition that inspires a Bill that’s entitled Caylee’s Law, will send a strong message to Ms. CMA. May it serve as a constant reminder to her of what she’s done and what she’s caused.
That the Bill is even coming into existence is clear indication of the guilt of Casey Anthony, who didn’t report her daughter missing EVER, AT ALL, rather, her mother did when she found out, 31 days later.
That’s something she can be proud of isn’t it? A Bill named after the daughter she murdered, due to the way in which she disposed of and abandoned her dead little girl’s body to the swamp, and went on to play and party as though nothing in all of the world was amiss? May Casey live on in infamy, right alongside every other child murderer/cold blooded killer, who inspired a law that serves to better protect children from those such as herself. Good going, Casey! You’ll forever be famous, and it’s an infamy you do so well deserve.
Yes, the laws governing juries, especially in capital cases, needs to be changed, now. We wouldn’t trust an auto mechanic to perform brain surgery, so why are we entrusting other life and death matters to high school dropouts and those with rap sheets, or those willing to become involved for the notoriety of it all who don’t quite get reasonable doubt let alone forensics.
As to what profits stand to be made, I’m rather mixed, considering what good John Walsh brought out of Adam’s death, and how it might benefit those such as Tim Miller were he to write a book. You can’t hinder one and not the other.
Calgary, your comment gave me reason to pause as well as to reflect back upon every scrap of evidence from beginning to end as well as to consider the State’s presentation of it. It wasn’t the prosecution, it was the jury; or as Whoops said, Casey’s “peers” who just didn’t quite get it. The experts were decades learning their trades and yet the jury was expected to understand it all in a matter of weeks. Impossible.
jmo
Autumn, standing ovation for that comment!
Hazaka-Just because you fell for for yet aother lie of Casey Anthony’s does’nt mean all of us have. Was this drowning theory proven? Your boys put a very big story out there, yet did not show one shred of evidence of a drowening OR any molestation by Lee or George. And where was the evidence of someone “moving the body”? Yes, the SAO had the burden of proof and they did prove it in the courtroom. However, your hero’s should have never made promises on their OS. So, by all means, continue with your conspiracy theories with your friends.A murderer has gone free. Funny, most New Yorkers aren’t this gullible. And most blogs aren;t this difficult to post on!!!
Hattie, I hardly deserve a pat on the back. Having witnessed such a grave injustice we all need to become movers and shakers and get the law written and passed. Had it been in place back in June of 2008 Casey wouldn’t be walking free. Are you still as broken over this as it is that I am?
So, Miss Priss wouldn’t see her Momma. Imagine that. She probably doesn’t want to share any part of all of the fame and fortune that’s coming her way, but they’re too foolish to know that she’s actually doing them a favor.
“A fool and his money are soon parted,” they say. The same holds true for Baez. As for his sudden rise to fame in the world of criminal defense attorneys, imagine, he’ll attract the lowest of the low, the most devious of the devious, the scum of the scummiest murdering, raping, ravaging social deviants who’d condemn their children to watery graves and simply walk away. That too, should he win a few cases, will be something he, of his moral fiber, will be proud of, but to the vast majority of us he will never be but that which he is, a lying, cheating, irresponsible SOB. I hope the FL Bar cuts him off at the knees. Maybe we need to draw up a petition demanding that the Bar address the improprieties of Jose Baez, and while I’m on that subject, perhaps we should seek legislation that would make it unlawful for attorneys to outright LIE in defending their clients. If it’s perjury for everyone else, it should be for them as well.
Linda, it’s good to hear from Judge Strickland now. I don’t think any one could have handled this mess better than Judge Perry, with the exception of taking more care in selecting a jury, perhaps. It irks me that there was a change of venue, as I have always strongly believed that an impartial jury could have been found in Orange County, especially with so many nut cases running about toting their “Casey will you marry me” signs. God help us.
Autumn
Eveyone’s entitled to their own opinions. That some believe Casey to be innocent, is their right. However, I just wish one of them would present so much one scrap of evidence (other than the word of a known lying sociopath) to support their theories. The 2nd greatest evidence there is against the drowning scenario is the FACT THAT THE POOL IS STILL THERE. The first is, of course, the fact that no one called 911 or made any attempt to resuscitate Caylee. Trust me. I’m a near expert on this, having wrenched dead children from the arms of their devastated, wailing, parents. No matter how long a child is dead in the water, parents, family, friends and even total strangers will attempt a resuscitation. Dr. G. is correct.
LindaNewYork said, on July 9, 2011 at 6:54 am —-
Gee Linda —as a born and bred New Yorker …….. probably for a lot more years than you….I KNOW New Yorkers are critical thinkers …. AND more than a bit cynical – especially REAL investigative JOURNALISTS —ACTUALLY trained (albeit retired) — therefore sad to see so many fall under the ill-informed spell …guess it’s easier than taking the time of analyzing ….. zie gazunt! Kol Tuv Lach my landsman…..
Sorry if this has already been posted.
Seeking Federal charges against casey anthony >
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/397/petition-for-the-federal-government-to-prosecute-casey-anthony/
Target: Eric Holder, United States Attorney General/ Robert O’Neill, United States Attorney For The Central District Of Florida
Sponsored by: Justice For Caylee Anthony
In light of the travesty of justice perpetrated on the American people on July 5, 2011, by and through a verdict of acquittal on murder charges against Casey Marie Anthony in the Florida courtroom, we the undersigned hereby request and petition United States Attorney for the Central District of Florida, Robert O’Neill, and U.S. Attorney general, Eric Holder, to bring forth Federal charges against Ms Anthony for various civil rights violations committed against her deceased daughter, Caylee Anthony. We further believe that a federal prosecution against Ms Anthony would serve legitimate interests central to the American system of justice, which was impeded and undermined with respect to the verdict of acquittal rendered by the jury in that case.
Do what you want —- this was NOT federal issue — only state —and Florida is done — DOUBLE JEOPARDY — don’t you’all read?????? Especially the Constituion?????
Not a Federal issue? Perhaps.
Comment from: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1555575/pg1
“Sorry, Mr. Commentator, but your interpretation of the Fifth Amendment with respect to limitations on criminal prosecutions is incorrect. Contrary to your assertion, the Fifth Amendment only applies to STATE prosecutions. The Federal Government is not prohibited from going forth with a subsequent prosecution on an individual for the same offense following an acquittal in state court under the principle of Dual Sovereignty. See, Bartkus v Illinois, 359 U.S. 121; Heath v Alabama, 474 U.S. 82 (1985); United States v. Aboumousallem, 726 F. 2d 27 (1979). The lone qualification for that determination is whether a subsequent federal prosecution meets compelling “federal interests”. In this case, where the United States has recently enacted a number of intensified laws dealing with children’s rights and enforcement thereof, the Government would easily have a substantial “federal interest” in ensuring that the murderer child, Caylee Anthony, obtains the justice for which she is constitutionally entitled. In addition, because of evidence that some of the members of the Casey Anthony jury violated their responsibilities as reasonable, competent jurors inasmuch as ignoring several admonishments by Judge Perry and admittedly making a hasty decision with respect to the verdict because of vacations and other personal matters, such impropriety would easily rise to the level of a “federal interest”, paving the way to prosecute Ms Anthony under federal statutes.
As far as those federal statutes go under which Ms Anthony could be prosecuted, there are several. Ms Anthony could be prosecuted under the General Murder statute (Title 18 USC, Section 1111(c)(3) (Murder of a child), or 18 USC, Section 115(b)(3) (Murder of a family member), or under Title 18 USC, Section(s) 241, 242, 245 or 247 dealing with criminal violations of an individual’s civil rights. Furthermore, Ms Anthony could, and should, be indicted on federal Obstruction Of Justice whereas she concealed a dead body and lied to law enforcement authorities, including the FBI. There are other federal statutes implicated as well should the United States Attorney want to be creative.
So, in conclusion, Mr. Commentator, your assessment of the limitations of the Fifth Amendment are quite flawed, and it IS in the interest of all readers here who genuinely want to see Caylee obtain justice by and through Federal prosecution of this wicked psychopath. What this means is that the Petition for which is referred to her should be signed and endorsed by as many people possible, because I can tell you, as a Federal attorney, it is making quite an impact with USA Robert O’Neill, and even more importantly, Attorney general, Eric Holder, who would make the ultimate decision whether to authorize federal prosecution of Casey Anthony pursuant to the longstanding “Petite Policy”.
Regards,
Dennis Caulfield, Esq.
Attorney at Law
When Hazaka spoke jurors listened…………………………
On 3/16/2011@8:12pm “Words are powerful-don’t need too many to get the point across.”
Jurors agree with you. “Not Guilty” is powerful, brief and to the point. No critical thinking necessary.
On 3/17/2011@9:24am “Gee-you got most of it wrong!” You are certainly not talking about the jurors.
On 3/17/2011@10:15am “Actually it was FLAVOR-AIDE-get your facts straight!
Of all the “facts” in this case jurors believed that one.
On 3/17/2011@10:52 “HUH???!! I guess the FACTS don’t matter to you because your mind is made up! How on earth can you make such a statement without knowing anything?
That’s what juors were more than likely thinking. The facts didn’t matter and without wanting to know anything more than what Mr Baez presented they exonerated Ms Anthony of any guilt or responsibility for the death of her child.
Wow Anonymous — you “saved” my words…… I am impressed!!!
Hazaka-Of course no one would be “impressed” if their words were reminders of their inability to critically think on an issue of such magnitude. Everyone who has written about this case has taken the time to read discovery, seek out competent legal analysts and come to an understanding of criminal procedure and the importance of the preliminary trial. And when posters like myself were unsure and in doubt about how the evidence would be entered into the trial we simply watched the preliminary hearings with a pretty good idea of what motions Mr Baez would put before the court. I simply went to the library and sat at a table and read Criminal Procedure:Prosecuting Crime (Dressler). An invaluable resource. When I could share this information I felt like a contributing member of a discussion. When in doubt about other important issues I simply asked other interested posters to provide a link or substantive literature relative to understanding both the crime and the criminal (defendant). I would say with a fair degree of certainty that many learned about Criminal Procedure (OneL),the Florida discovery laws, what reasonable doubt means and how it factors into the guilt phase (not the penalty phase), the Law of Inference, and its role in a circumstantial case. Did jurors not realize that forensic evidence is ciricumstantial? We all did our homework. Did you?
Over the past 16 months I have seen who you hang out with. I have read what those folks have said. I was horrified to think that “ya al” would agree to have this defendant as your babysitter or that “ya al” would be pleased if your son brought her home to the family. “Ya al” thought she had “poor murdering skills” and at the end of the day that’s the only thing you were wrong about. She had excellent murdering skills. She got away with murder. How happy can you be! You must be in seventh heaven knowing that she will walk free a week from today! Will “ya al” plan to light a candle in the early morning hours of July 17, 2011? What a fortuitous day-the day she found the name of the one real person who she planned to deflect the blame and punishment!! Her lies have literally set her free!
Celebrate! Call your friends. Fill the house up with music and good food. And wait for your guests to arrive.
Anonymous —- wooo — a) guess you didn’t study hard enough b) THAT study, I did years ago ….and c) you have been “cyber stalking” — HUMMMMMMmmmmmm
Thank you for posting what we already knew. Hazaka is a really boring moron.
AlreadyKNEW-Hazaka never fails to let loose with a convoluted barrage of poorly connected words and thoughts.
I remember the early days of the death investigation when reading posts with all the internet “speak” or writing style that gave the impression that posters actually knew what they were talking about -especially if they used appreviations that only “the in crowd” could understand. Of course, we know those days are over. “UR” was short for “you’re (mean, etc) or “your name is”. LOL was written at the end of any sentence no matter if it was about the minute details of the victim’s death or the defendant’s many lies. “WTF” was shorthand for a disagreement someone might have.STFU was also something that was a constant refrain if a troll happened by or a stubborn writer wanted to pertetuate another lie hoping the brain dead would sit up and listen. It was a long time before I ever realized what IMO meant. I liked that one a lot. IIRC was another good one. I know what BTW means.One doesn’t see much of that type of writing anymore. The best blogs are the ones with the hard-hitting, fact based analysis which demanded posters with a brain to factor into the discussion the many different ways at “Looking at the Law”. Being a policy wonk came in handy as did Black’s Law Dictionary and Dressler’s ideas about how to get things to “snowball out of control” was pretty heady stuff. But at the end of the day it was always about the poster who wanted to share what they knew and when they knew it.
Example: LindaNewYork posted above on July 8th at 4:04pm the transcript of the interview between Judge Stan Strickland and Nancy Grace. Gosh, am I glad she posted that link. LindaNewYork wanted to inform readers. She wanted to add something that she felt was important. I thank her. This could have been the impetus for a wonderful discussion about the role lies played on the internet and how they were played out in the Orlando courthouse. Like a lot of people say, “You just can’t make this stuff up.”
Truth took a back seat. A back seat where the Mama doll was left. Caylee never had a chance to cuddle with her one last time. The conversation is well beyond “Anonymous”——wow——and the abc’s of reading comprehention according to Hazaka. I wouldn’t waste my time to stalk you or anyone-but I have to take a long hard look at why I felt you were worthy of a response. Many ignored you. I didn’t. I tried my level best to straighten out your thinking. Ya’all will have to comfort one another by following the Breaking News about UR1&only.
Done — crawl into your hole — u r soooooo sick!!!
Hazaka-I don’t crawl into holes too often but perhaps you give that advice because you’ve been there. It is a metaphor for the conceptual path which is thought to lead to the true nature of reality.Infintitesimally deep and complex venturing too far down is probably not that great of an idea. (UD) That rabbit hole was explored by the people you would never take a shot at-people who would cut you up and spit you out if you dared to disagree. When they said things like, “She seems like a nice girl. Maybe that’s why she doesn’t know how to get away with murder.” Had you responded, “U R sick” maybe you would have brought meaning and substance to “Words are powerful-don’t need too many to get the point across.”
On the lighter side of no where:
Casey’s supporters are expressing their delight in the not guilty verdict by flooding her jail account with money! That’s right! Casey has so many supporters that the dough is rolling in! After the verdict came down Casey’s jail account went up to the tune of — now get this, 40 whole dollars!! Now how’s that for a whirlwind of support? Well praise God and pass the nachos, will ya! I’ll take mine with spinach dip if you please, freshly made. I’ve no use for the jarred stuff they pass off as food, but then Casey might! A small tin of preservative stuffed imitation spinach dip might compliment that gourmet chicken she has become so fond of. Do you that chicken’s freeze dried?
I’m bringing this little tidbit over from Statement Analysis, as I do so love Peter and Heather Hyatt. Their integrity is beyond measure. This comment, lifted from the article Casey Anthony Party Monster, cracked me up, regarding Casey’s new hair style:
“For the crown of her head, she apparently mooched a comb with which she teased a ball the approximate shape of a medium-sized rodent …” Thanks, Peter! I’m still laughing! Someone should tell her that lavender really isn’t her color.
Oh and how about those Anthonys, huh? Once again they’re off showing some skin, and their fading tattoos, at a posh resort somewhere in Florida. At least Cindy had the decency not to wear a bikini for the photo shoot, ala paparazzi (aren’t they special!) though I suppose Baez could have offered her one for cheap. He’s got to have a warehouse full of the little ditties somewhere close to South Beach, where he and Casey are sure to be vacationing upon her release.
I hear tell the newly renovated Fountainebleu serves up a mean Cordon Bleu, but after all this time Casey may well prefer jail food. In case Mason’s in attendance I so hope La Fountaine serves chick’n fryed stake with a heap of smashed taters and – oh – never mind. If I said what I was going to regarding those biscuits, someone would certainly have to slap my face!
As God is my witness, never in my life have I shot anyone a “bird”, but I’m practicing now, and think we all should, should we run into Casey Anthony, or any one of her defense team, in particular Baez and Mason! In the words of Jeff Ashton who has dealt with all of this with the utmost in dignity and grace, the worst we could do to Casey Anthony is ignore her. I agree.
http://www.wftv.com/video/28498264/index.html
Anonymous, it’s a pleasure knowing you! Hazaka, give it up. You’ll never convince the majority, hard as you might try to. Don’t waste your words here, take them where they’re appreciated.
Now I’m off to pick up all of the scattered baby dolls and My Little Ponies, and everything else the girls left scattered after another blessed weekend filled with the sounds of children’s laughter.
Bu wahahahahahahahaa!!!
Hey A$$HOLE! WhoDatSay dey know all dat chit?? WhoDat WhoDat???
It ain’t NO Anonymouse dat fo sure…She tupid!!
She ain’t nuttin. She thought she could teach me sumthing. LMAO!!! U shouda stuck around at da JBMIsh!! She mighta learnt sumthing..sumthing like dis..If dey aint’ got no evidence den dey can’t convict!!! U ain’t learnt dat in all dem LAW Books u pretend to read?? I meant all dem Google searches ya do???? hehehehe..:D:D
O.M.G. Anonymouse myAss!! U so hard up to post your stupid ass comments somewhere cuz everywhere u go dey kick ya ass outta da door..hehehehehee!! So U gotta use “Anonymous” Wat?? lol and den ya bytch and moan sumbody stole ya name!! Ur a JOKE!! We all know who u really are!!
Aint’s u learnt yet dat no body likes ya cuz ur an A-HOLE!!
Ya keep knocking at my door..knock knock JB..please let me in…please like me…please let me teach u sumthing smawt. cuz I’zz soooo smawt..I have so much to teach the world but da problem is I ain’t got nuttin!!
I ain’t got no life!! I can’t even use my old screen name cuz I’m spammed all over da WP! LMAO!!!
Ur a SICKO!!
And da only one I wanna rub her face into this FACT!
Casey Anthony was acquitted!! IN UR FACE BIOTCH!!! Deal with it!!
Sincerely,
TheJBMission~
PS:
And Jose Baez kicked Jeff Ashton’s A$$!! LOL LOL
Have a nice day everyone!
Yes Autumn,
But think about it this way. Casey won’t be eating those nacho chips for long. She’s out on June 17th. I’m sure there’s a big fat juicy steak waiting for her somewhere.
I sure hope the Haters of our judicial system find someone else to waste their hate on..Some other person accused without evidence. Well..maybe not now. I hope Florida has learned their lesson and try not to over charge a suspect until you have solid evidence. It’s really important in 2011. Circumstantial evidence is a thing of the past. Jurors aren’t as eager to convict without it. I really like that idea, don’t you?
Autumn-You never fail to write a meaty and well written post. Thank you for adding a little levity to the discussion-a discussion I would think is at it’s end. Thank you for your thoughtfulness and your honesty. You are so lucky to have the “chore” of picking up the “scarttered baby dolls and My Little Ponies”. Mr and Mrs Anthony can only ask others to “give them away to needy children”. I wish them well-no amount of lies will ever get them any closer to that diabolical misfit of a daughter. God willing they get the help they need-Casey washed her hands of them three years ago.
I would like to ignore Casey Anthony and as Casey Jordan the Criminologist from InSession would say, “I don’t want to waste one more brain cell on Casey Anthony.” But if we are “our brother’s keeper” we have to be vigilant and at the top of our game when people like her walk into the workplace, romance your brother or sister (Mark Glass thinks she is bisexual) or God forbid find someone who will be responsible for the chaos she will most certainly create wherever she goes.
Take good care of yourself-and may your darling little girls be a source of love and hope. Who could ask for anything more? They are lucky to have you.
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Hazaka- I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you did not connect the crime with the criminal. That is central to any discussion when a mother and a child are linked in life and death and eventually in a courtroom. Susan Smith, Diane Downs and others who ruthlessly kill their children and systematically blame someone else when confronted with one question: “Where were you when your sons were kidnapped?’They are psychopaths whether you want to believe it or not. Google the following
Read: Psychopaths Among Us by Robert Hercz
The Psychopath: The Mask of Sanity (Special Research Project of Quantum Future School)
Once you have finished reading both these articles you will understand a lot more about who Casey Anthony is and your ability to predict what she will do next will be “spot on”. You will have cred where once you only had dread. You will get away from the people who have nothing to offer you and in so doing you will be a happier person. Reclaim your life and walk out into the sunshine and get away from people who wouldn’t know the truth if it was sitting beside them. Good luck to you and yours. Stay well.
Anonymous said, on July 10, 2011 at 9:11 pm
I always crawl into holes very often but perhaps they don’t like my advice because I’ve been there several times
before. It is a metaphor for the conceptual path which I always take and I thought I could lead because it’s my true nature of my own maladjusted reality.Infintitesimally <–( I just made that word up) And my deep psychosis and complex mind venturing too far down is probably not that great of an idea but I do it anyway. (Ugh I'm a Dummy)
That rabbit hole I explored, the people who would always take a shot at-people like me who try to cut you up and spit you out if they dared to disagree with me. When they my alter-ego thought I read someone say things like, “She seems like a nice girl. Maybe that’s why I have no idea why she doesn’t know how to get away with murder.” Had I responded, “I am sick” maybe everyone would know that I have brought new meaning to the word "Sicko" and substance to my “Words are powerful- and I need so many of them and I still don’t need too many to get the point across.” in my own psychosis, of course.
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Thank you Anonymous!
Now that makes sense! Finally Anonymous!! I don't think you should be Anonymous anymore. You should share with the world your true identity. There's no need for someone as intelligent as you to hide behind "Anonymous" Tell us who you are! Inquiring minds need to know. The World is waiting.
As usual JB you cannot keep facts straight…she is not due to be out June 17 as you posted…
Apparently you suffer some dementia, as you cannot even tell what day and month it is …maybe that colors your perspective
Here is part of what the actual jury foreman had to say, certainly will upset the JB kind as jurors think she killed the kid…..
“When I had to sign off on the verdicts, the sheet that was given to me, there was a feeling of disgust that came across me, knowing that my signature and hers were going to be there, on the same sheet,” said the jury forman.
The jury foreman in the Casey Anthony trial — who asked not to be identified — says many of the jurors believe Casey Anthony killed her daughter Caylee.
But because the prosecution never showed how it happened, they were — by the letter of the law — forced to rule for acquittal on all murder charges.
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/national/Jury-Foreman-Talks-About-Casey-Anthony-Trial-20110711-am-sd
Anonymous said, on July 11, 2011 at 10:23 am
Take good care of yourself-and may your darling little girls be a source of love and hope. Who could ask for anything more? They are lucky to have you.
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O.M.G.!!! ::gagging:: U R SICK WOMAN!! and such a PHONY. I swear I think u and KC are cut from the same cloth! Everything that you say that describes Casey Anthony describes. U. And I would know!!
LOL!!
Anonymous, I mean ” it’s a secret” U really do need help. Take care of urself sweetie. I feel so sorry for U.
Oh Really RS???
Enlighten ME!! Do tell me what u know..tick tock
Isn’t odd that Anonymous reads from all of these psychology sites? Does anyone think she’s trying to figure out herself? Or maybe she’s just learning the terminology her doctor uses to describe her when she visits him twice a month?
Miss Anonymous, Ur a sociopath. U have a passive aggressive disorder that makes it hard for U to live in a normal society. U’ll always have problems in life because UR need to be right supercedes other’s need to listen to UR rhetoric. U come across as a BORE Ms Anonymous. I suggest U get off of the internet and meet real people to sharpen your people skills because U don’t have any.
Here’s some Lithium. We’ll see you in two weeks! hahahahaha
Let me tell U RS,
I didn’t come here to gloat to anyone else here EXCEPT Anonymous. U have no idea what this person has put me thru so before U come down on me, U should know, I’m only happy about the verdict because the system worked. There wasn’t any solid evidence and that’s why the jury voted to acquit on the major charges.
BTW, it was the same reason I said she wasn’t guilty of Murder One and I couldn’t understand why so many other people didn’t see it the same way. They still don’t which is fine with me but when I hear lawyers agreeing with me, I KNOW I was right.
So I’ll go now back to my end of the world. But I did NOT come here to gloat. Lets get that straight.
Anonymous! Please don’t think that I’ve given up the battle because I could not ever do so! I’m just so weary of Casey, right at this moment – at this point in time, I want to embrace life and that which is good, for just this one moment in time.
I’ll be back … later, when all is quiet and still.
There isn’t but one depraved and deranged, psychotic mind, here; and I do believe we all know who that is.
JB, your ignorance is proven in the content of your statement(s) which aren’t deserving of any sort of response.
AUTUMN DO YOU EVER SHT UP? YOU WERE IRRITATING AS ACTUALLY, AND EVEN MORE OBNOXIOUS NOW
BTW- AUTUMN YOU STILL REEK OF THE DEPENDS WEARING CANADIAN CRIPPLE AND STINKY SOFT BOILED EGG HEAD MOOCH THAT LOOKS LIKE HE IS DUE TO GIVE BIRTH ANY DAY NOW.
STFU: If you were any where near as cleaver as you think you are, you would have concluded, long ago, that I am not Actually, though I must say, having researched the name and found the person of whom you speak and accuse, I’d much rather be misidentified as her, than as you.
“Autumn, do you ever shut up?” NO. Not ever, when such horrendous injustices are served.
Anonymous said, on July 10, 2011 at 9:11 pm
GREAT post. But, you’re gonna have to dumb it down for Hazaka and JB…their vocabulary level isn’t high enough to understand.
Good Morning SuzyHomemaker-Hazaka’s “hole” remark reminded me of the disgust that Jeff Ashton had when he said, “going down that rabbit hole” in his closing statement. It has always been my contention that whacked out writers go down it often. They even think they have the ability to “make up words” which makes a lot of sense to this writer. But we all know that it is a “metaphor for the conceptual path which is thought to lead to the true nature of reality.” UrbanDictionary (ref.above as UD) also goes on to say that “taking hallucinagenic drugs can be considered “tripping” down the rabbit hole.” (literary ref. Alice in Wonderland).
“Infintitesimally deep and complex, venturing too far down is probably not that great of an idea.” Why was there any need to go off the reservation or down that rabbit hole for the last three years when the facts practically smacked us all into horror, disbelief and sadness for this precious little victim who was not protected from this incredibly dangerous person.
Ms Anthony took 12 people down “that rabbit hole” and she crawled out and will be released from jail on Sunday the 17 July. Jurors are stuck down there and they will spend a good part of the next year trying to crawl out.
Ms.JB is a sweet person who is often misunderstood. Most who have met her agree she is an engrossing and inviting person of caliber and distinction which is not overlooked by her colleagues, neighbors and friends.
People who have had the wherewithal to cross her path have remained unscathed and intact in an egotistical sense.
Her in-depth knowledge and utter expertise of the Mission family tree can be found in the Almanac of Best Smartness.
For those who sluice their heads of evil and nefarious materials will rarely gravitate to her spirit and heartfelt endeavors. However she is persnickety with her volumes of tabloid wares which she totes to blogs throughout the World Wide Web.
Most are immune to her wittiness yet are still enthralled by her persona and symptomatic prowess into the murder of Caylee Marie Anthony. Kudos to Ms.JB who remains unscathed amongst evil-doers who wished her otherwise.
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Autumn said, on July 11, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Anonymous! Please don’t think that I’ve given up the battle because I could not ever do so! I’m just so weary of Casey, right at this moment – at this point in time, I want to embrace life and that which is good, for just this one moment in time.
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Sheesh-Drama Queen much? Weary of battling from your keyboard with different sock puppets to spread hate and every single dumb thought that enters your mind?
Bill/Craig- Close the blog down and quit giving these nuts a platform
Ms Bor-I direct your attention to the following article: The Illusion of Superiority (complete with video). This video provides a brief look at the Dunning and Kruger effect, which is an analysis of incompetence in those people who are not competent enough to even recognize their own incompetence.
Incompetent people will:
(1) overestimate their own level of skill (“indepth knowledge and utter expertise”)
(2) fail to recognize genuine skill in others (Judge Perry, Jeff Ashton, Ms Drane Burdick and Mr George, Yuri Melish, John Allan, et al)
(3) fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy (logic was considered a foreign language)
Read on and watch video. You are advised to read the current analysis of research conducted by Dunning and Kruger, “Unskilled and Unaware of it:How difficulties in recognizing one’s own incompetence lead to inflated self assessments. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.
Don’t spend your valuable time trying to find words and phrases that describe JBMission-simply ask yourself why you feel the need to do it.
The above anonymous is a laughable moron expending lots of energy to prove it.
I applaude JB’s free thinking and fearless sharing of ideas. Does it matter if she and I have differing opionions? I think not. Everyone should have the right to express their ideas and opinions without the nasty trash talking the has gone on during this case. Grow up, if everyone was the same it would be a boring world.
Mr. Shaeffer, thank you for your blogs to help us understand the law and how it applied to this case. This was what your blog was supposed to accomplish. And, it did. Unfortunately…………………………………………
………………dolts and dullards walked in. This jury was a group of “free thinkers” who were too busy to deliberate but who stated they did. Lies and those willing to tell them were central to this case from the first piece of evidence published at trial to the closing argument and the shocking verdict. It was shocking because it was a lie. Just the same shock that many felt when they heard a young mother say, “My child has been missing for 31 days.” It was a lie.
What was it about the “fearless sharing of ideas” that should have percipitated their unanimous verdict of Not Guilty on all charges? Did jurors think that Ms Anthony was going to stand up and tell them how Caylee died? Ms Anthony wanted her freedom. She did not want to be warehoused for the rest of her life. She did not want to eat and relieve herself in the same room. She wanted a haircut.
Did jurors agree that “She seems like a nice girl?” Dolts and dullards did.
So what ever happened to the great know it all individual known as Ms Bees Knees? LOL
Bill Shaeffer said, “Recognizing Bees as one of our blog contributors that is always on the cutting edge of current information, I went to the link she provided.” This is not only a thoughtful and encouraging statement to say about a blogger but it clearly indicates who Bees was-someone who was willing to share her insights and her sources. This has always been a hallmark of the Bill Shaeffer blog-bringing together like-minded thinkers who read what was written and were prompted to learn more and pass it on. Bees never hid the truth and she didn’t attempt to “own” an analysis but relied on the facts and her own inherent ability to imagine outcomes.
Bees-Knees was the real deal. When she devoted time to this case it was always with the best of intentions and not as a “know-it-all”. When Bees was praised she didn’t go around the internet saying, “Bill? Shaeffer? Ah, he complimented me and for the record, ah, hmmm, we’re friends. Not to worry, he’s not courting me. We just had waffles at the Waffle House and when I had my heart attack he called my home and inquired about my health. I shouldn’t kiss and tell but if ya wanna know more just click on that paypal link and I’ll tell ya whatcha wanna hear…………..
WTF?
scram troll! :O
English Quiz
The following definition best describes Functional Illiterate:
(1) having reading and writing skills insufficient for ordinary or practical needs
(2) having reading and writing skills that are inadequate “to manage living and employment tasks that require reading skills beyond a basic level.”
(3) having reading and writing skills which are themed based and shared by imaginary friends
(4) all of the above
To further assess your competency in both writing and thinking, write one paragraph on what it means to be FOS.
Anonymous, if I bubble in #4 will get an “A+”? ((hugs))
Bees! Every word Scheaffer said about you is true! xoxo
Good Morning Autumn-Yes. I wouldn’t recognize you as a “free thinker” though. To me, you have always been a “straight thinker”.By the way, when Casey puts her head on the pillow each night she never has an anxious moment. It’s those daylight hours that really get her down-the scorn and the absence of the spotlight will expose her psychopathy. She cannot change even though many talking heads on InSession think she has the ability to “make a life for herself and become a contributing member of society.” It will never happen. She will always be a parasite, a home wrecker, a thief and a sexual predator. Wherever she goes it is always without a conscience.
Jurors didn’t recognize a disordered person. They only saw a diminutive young girl who manipulated them from day one. She cried during jury selection and was visibly upset before they were all sworn in. The subliminal message was sent-I’m too good to go to prison. They “liked” her lawyer Mr Baez, they “didn’t trust” George, they were “unmoved” by Mrs Anthony and at the end of the day “believed” River Cruz. All these people shared in common was their ability to lie. Casey’s lies went in one ear and out the other. They exonerated her on evidence that was not presented at trial. What a travesty of justice.
This type of injustice might be eliminated if Florida did not have the Death Penalty. Read “The Life of a Death Penalty Lawyer by D. Lithwick (NYT 2/11/2011) It was an excellent review of “Autobiography of an Execution by D. Dow. A must read if one believes our “capital system is biased, reckless and inhumane.”
BJen said, on July 20, 2011 at 11:20 pm ——–
I am also wondering where LindaNY and the great (unpulished) author JUDYPC are?? Hum???
I recall she posted in March that her sister died. I also read she was writing a book about the Casey Anthony trial so perhaps both of these concerns and certainly others could be the reason she is not posting. The only book on Casey Anthony due out October is Keith Ablow’s. It should read just like the one he wrote on Scott Peterson.
If she IS writing about the case — she has a lot of research to get up to speeed since it didn’t “end” the way she was so sure it would.
so — where is everyone?
Pretty-That doesn’t mean Casey did not commit the murder nor does it mean that “Caylee Anthony, 2.5yoa, alleged victim of a crime” (citation will be omitted) is any less dead today than she was on June 15-16, 2008. It would be best to simply eliminate all known and unknown persons who inserted themselves into this case simply because they were either a family member, friend/acquaintence, assisted in the discovery of the remains, searchers, concerned citizens, or those who worked on the death investigation, abject strangers, imaginary friends or the Orlando resident initially blamed for the kidnapping and abduction. We have to eliminate all posible persons of interest in order to find out who, if not Ms Anthony, killed this precious child.To date we have only one person willing to come forward and state for the record that she was the last person to see the child alive.
Ms Anthony never said ZFG killed her child. The defendant killed the child and in the off chance her remains were found, they would find the duct tape, possibly her arms tied behind her back -something a mother would not do to her child if she died accidentally in the family pool. Only a murderer would do that.
We have to accept the fact that the jury has spoken but that does not mean we have to suspend our common sense or our ability to understand both who this defendant is, and in the context of her mental defect, understand how it was possible for her to openly admit, “I haven’t cried.”
Please Google and read the following two articles written by Keith Ablow (Fox News)
Dr Keith: Inside the Mind of Casey Anthony written on October 22, 2008 (this article is well written and informative)
Casey Anthony’s Verdict Makes Sense written on July 5, 2011 (the absurdity of this article is in alignment with a mental health defense. It brings new meaning to “a trash can diagnosis”. It is a fun read but something that would really “piss off” the defendant and her present mental health provider.
The Christian Science Monitor has a great article written on 5/17/2011 or was that 6/17/2011? Sorry, I don’t have the name of the article but Husna Haq wrote a wonderful piece on Casey Anthony making the connection between the defendant in Camus’, The Stranger”.
Pretty-from the csm online for July 7, 2011 please read the following: Casey Anthony: What would Camus make of her? Excellent.
Hum….. Pretty. who are you and why do you care where I am?
This blog went down hill, took too long to load, was screwing up my computer and I chose to follow the trial elsewhere and I am moving on as I did when another murderer, OJ Simpson walked. Life goes on, ya know? And thanks for the reminder for me to go visit JudyPC at her blog!!! Been meaning to do that.
How’s it going, Hazaka?
LindaNewYork-If you click on the button to the left (under the word “search”) you will come to “Leave a Reply” or the last comment within 5 seconds. In other words, don’t schroll down using the one we normally use when coming to Bill Shaeffer’s blog. If your computer runs slowly normally or just at this site try going to “All Programs” and clicking on Windows Defender (Windows application). Scan your computer and if you know how to delete add-on do so as this will both free up space on your disk as well as speed up your computer. Check and see if your spyware is current and if not simply go to AVG 2011 and download spyware for free. Schedule it to run automatically or if you think your computer is running slow just scan it and continue working online. Hope this helps.
Anonymous says;
“By the way, when Casey puts her head on the pillow each night she never has an anxious moment”
Bravo Anonymous! You are a “free-thinker”! This is a perfect example of what a free thinker like you would say.
No need to base this statement on fact. I know it is not a fact unless you want to prove yourself a liar and claim that you HAVE met Casey Anthony and that you ARE a licensed, trained behavioral scientist.
You could go on to elaborate that you went under the radar and actually had a sit-down, face-to-face interview with Ms. Anthony while she was in jail. Who would know?
Please continue Dr. Anonymous. Please post the full report. We’ve waited so long to get to the truth coming from an expert fantasy psychologist like yourself. What more have you gathered from your fantasy interview with Casey Anthony? Do tell… tick tock…the World is waiting Dr. Anonymous
Tick, tock, tocker, ticky,
Lets get down to the nitty gritty!
JBMission-Read the articles I cited above. You never know, you might learn something.
So, Anonymous, you whined because there was another anonymous who tried to make a few statements saying it “Anonymous” belonged to YOU!! Looks like you are enjoying yourself talking to yourself. As far as JB learning something, she does a lot of research for fact, you just quote everyone else and hope everyone will think you are smart. So boring!
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